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Date:      Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:19:54 +1000
From:      Luke Mewburn <luke@mewburn.net>
To:        Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net>
Cc:        freebsd-rc@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: RCng/NTP Catch-22
Message-ID:  <20041024151954.GX13602@mewburn.net>
In-Reply-To: <20041021225828.GA11669@odin.ac.hmc.edu>
References:  <20041021152920.GB1811@rogue.acs.lan> <20041021.150623.04864669.imp@bsdimp.com> <20041021221715.GA4730@odin.ac.hmc.edu> <20041021.165104.59582131.imp@bsdimp.com> <20041021225828.GA11669@odin.ac.hmc.edu>

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On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 03:58:28PM -0700, Brooks Davis wrote:
  | On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 04:51:04PM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote:
  | > In message: <20041021221715.GA4730@odin.ac.hmc.edu>
  | >             Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> writes:
  | > : On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 03:06:23PM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote:
  | > : > In message: <20041021152920.GB1811@rogue.acs.lan>
  | > : >             Mike Makonnen <mtm@identd.net> writes:
  | > : > : devfs can't be
  | > : > : run before NETWORKING because it depends on at least one binary=
 in
  | > : > : /usr/sbin. See my patch and reply to Andre.
  | > : >=20
  | > : > which one?  devfs is in /sbin.
  | > :=20
  | > : It looks like chown.  That one always suprises me even though I've =
hit
  | > : it a number of times.  I think this is because you can't safely do
  | > : anything involving user names before you have working directory ser=
vices
  | > : and you can't be sure you have those before you have user.  Hmm, I
  | > : wonder what happens if you try to use chown when you have nss confi=
gured
  | > : to use a directory, but don't have /usr mountd.
  | >=20
  | > Maybe that's why the LOGIN thing was there before :-(
  |=20
  | mountcritremote should be sufficent.  LOGIN is way later then needed.

Correct; mountcritremote is the first dependency for /usr (and
/usr/bin and /usr/sbin is implied from that).

To be safe you may want to try:
	REQUIRE: mountcritremote
	BEFORE:  DAEMON
although this might still have a "chicken & egg" issue if you have
users in network databases (e.g, Hesiod/DNS, NIS, LDAP) and the
local services for those (e.g, ypbind) aren't up yet.   "oh joy".

Cheers,
Luke.

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