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Greetings everyone,

I have been having a problem trying to get CVSUP working correctly on a SUN
ULTRA 10 (256MB 40GB HDD) with CURRENT, i can ftp in the sources and do full
build worlds and kernel without any problems, but even after i blow away all
the src, ports, and sup, directories and it start recreating them when i run
CVSUP it gets stuck and has a weird retry time.   Any suggestions?  I have
tried over a dozen other CVSUP servers with the same exact results.  Even
using my own local one on my network does the same thing.  Only way i  have
been able to get sources back into the machine is to FTP them in from a snap
server.  Any suggestions would be apprechiated.  Note, other machines on the
exact same network segment have absolutely no problems using CVSUP.


sun# uname -a
FreeBSD sun.local 5.2-CURRENT-20040210-JPSNAP FreeBSD
5.2-CURRENT-20040210-JPSNAP #0: Thu Feb 12 06:41:26 EST 2004    
admin@sun.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SUN  sparc64


sun# cvsup -g -s -L 2 supfile
Parsing supfile "supfile"
Connecting to xx.xx.xx.xx
Connected to xx.xx.xx.xx
Server software version: SNAP_16_1g
Negotiating file attribute support
Exchanging collection information
Establishing multiplexed-mode data connection
Running
Updating collection src-all/cvs
 Checkout src/COPYRIGHT
 Checkout src/MAINTAINERS
 Checkout src/Makefile
 Checkout src/Makefile.inc1
 Checkout src/README
Detailer failed: Network read failure: Connection timed out
Will retry at 19:00:00
Retrying
Connecting to xx.xx.xx.xx
Connected to xx.xx.xx.xx
Server software version: SNAP_16_1g
Negotiating file attribute support
Exchanging collection information
Establishing multiplexed-mode data connection
Running
Updating collection src-all/cvs
 Checkout src/README
 Checkout src/UPDATING
Detailer failed: Network read failure: Connection timed out
Will retry at 19:00:00
Retrying
Connecting to xx.xx.xx.xx
Connected to xx.xx.xx.xx
Server software version: SNAP_16_1g
Negotiating file attribute support
Exchanging collection information
Establishing multiplexed-mode data connection
Running
Updating collection src-all/cvs
 Checkout src/UPDATING
Detailer failed: Network read failure: Connection timed out
Will retry at 19:00:00


sun# cat supfile
*default host=xx.xx.xx.xx
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs
*default delete use-rel-suffix
*default compress
*default tag=.
src-all
ports-all


sun# pkg_info
cvsup-without-gui-16.1h General network file distribution system optimized for CVS
expat-1.95.6_1      XML 1.0 parser written in C
ezm3-1.1_1          Easier, more portable Modula-3 distribution for building CV
fastest_cvsup-0.2.8 Finds fastest CVSup server
fontconfig-2.2.90_4 An XML-based font configuration API for X Windows
freetype2-2.1.5_2   A free and portable TrueType font rendering engine
gettext-0.13.1      GNU gettext package
glib-2.2.3_1        Some useful routines of C programming (current stable versi
gmake-3.80_2        GNU version of 'make' utility
imake-4.3.0_2       Imake and other utilities from XFree86
libiconv-1.9.1_3    A character set conversion library
libslang-1.4.9      Routines for rapid alpha-numeric terminal applications deve
libtool-1.3.5_1     Generic shared library support script
mc-4.6.0_7          Midnight Commander, a free Norton Commander Clone
p5-Time-HiRes-1.52,1 A perl5 module implementing High resolution time, sleep, an
perl-5.6.1_15       Practical Extraction and Report Language
pkgconfig-0.15.0_1  A utility used to retrieve information about installed libr
portupgrade-20040208 FreeBSD ports/packages administration and management tool s
ruby-1.8.1          An object-oriented interpreted scripting language
ruby-bdb1-0.2.1     Ruby interface to Berkeley DB revision 1.8x with full featu

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On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 07:29:09AM -0500, Chris Demers wrote:

> I have been having a problem trying to get CVSUP working correctly on a S=
UN
> ULTRA 10 (256MB 40GB HDD) with CURRENT, i can ftp in the sources and do f=
ull
> build worlds and kernel without any problems, but even after i blow away =
all
> the src, ports, and sup, directories and it start recreating them when i =
run
> CVSUP it gets stuck and has a weird retry time.   Any suggestions?  I have
> tried over a dozen other CVSUP servers with the same exact results.  Even
> using my own local one on my network does the same thing.  Only way i  ha=
ve
> been able to get sources back into the machine is to FTP them in from a s=
nap
> server.  Any suggestions would be apprechiated.  Note, other machines on =
the
> exact same network segment have absolutely no problems using CVSUP.

Hmmm... looks like you've found a bug, probably.  All you're seeing is
your machine failing to connect to the cvsup server: the 'reconnect'
message is entirely normal for that circumstance. Can you confirm that
you can connect to the cvsup port on any of the cvsup servers you're
using via telnet?

    % telnet cvsup.example.com 5999

You should be able to see the banner that cvsupd produces - something like:

    OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1f CVSup server ready

If not, then you need to work out what's wrong with the
networking/firewalling setup on your Ultra10.

If you can connect, then there is clearly a bug in the version of
cvsup you're using on that machine.  You should report what you're
seeing to the port maintainer, John Polstra, (who also happens to be
the author of cvsup) according to the instructions at
http://www.cvsup.org/faq.html#bugreports -- in this case, as well as
providing the data asked for there, a network dump of the traffic
between your machine and the server would probably be useful too:

    # tcpdump -i fxp0 -w /tmp/cvsup-session.out port 5999

(replace 'fxp0' with the name of your principal ethernet interface)
and then in another window, run your cvsup command:

    # cvsup -g -L 2 supfile

Kill the cvsup session after it says "Will retry", and then kill the
tcpdump process.  If the cvsup-session.out file isn't too large, then
you can uuencode it and include it in your bug report (together with
the commands used to generate it), otherwise just mention that it is
available if required.

Be prepared to receive patches and apply them to the cvsup sources and
recompile and run whatever tests John may request.

	Cheers,

	Matthew

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One of the sparc package machines just died with this:

panic: pcib: uncorrectable DMA error AFAR 0x25df020 AFSR 0x400000ff80800000
at line 739 in file /var/portbuild/sparc64/src-client/sys/sparc64/pci/psycho.c
cpuid = 0;
Debugger("panic")
Stopped at      Debugger+0x1c:  ta              %xcc, 1
db> trace
__panic() at __panic+0x17c
psycho_ue() at psycho_ue+0x7c
intr_fast() at intr_fast+0x88
-- interrupt level=0xd pil=0 %o7=0xc02a5a40 --
spitfire_block_zero() at spitfire_block_zero+0x70
vm_page_zero_idle() at vm_page_zero_idle+0x74
vm_pagezero() at vm_pagezero+0xb4
fork_exit() at fork_exit+0x8c
fork_trampoline() at fork_trampoline+0x8
db>

Any ideas?

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At 8:55 AM -0600 3/1/04, Tillman Hodgson wrote:
>Look a little odd this month:
>
>Subject: caliban.rospa.ca monthly run output
>
>Doing login accounting:
>         root                 0.84
>         total            -298848.27
>         toor             -298849.12
>
>-- End of monthly output --
>
>Luckily this isn't a box where I care much about accounting, but
>a Heads-Up in the conversion notes might be warranted.

Having checked into this, I am pretty sure that the real bug is
not with 'ac', but with code somewhere else in the system which
generates logoff records with ut_time==0.  Still, 'ac' needs to
be smarter in what it does when it hits such records.

I have an update in:
http://people.freebsd.org/~gad/time-64/ac-64bit.diff

which I intend to commit sometime in the next few days.  It adds
some minor sanity-checking of ut_time field, and greatly improves
the debugging messages that 'ac' produces when it is compiled
with DEBUG defined.  With this change, your output would look
more like:

Doing login accounting:
         root                 0.84
         toor               387.72
         total              388.56
(Changed 5 of 59 records to have a more likely time value)

I assume it's okay to have that extra line in the summary...  That
summary is only printed if bad-records were found, and I felt it
was important that we have some indication whenever these bad
record show up.

Now that I have a better idea of what the problem is, I'll try to
find what place in /usr/src might be generating these bad records.

-- 
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On Sun, 2004/03/07 at 14:06:07 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> One of the sparc package machines just died with this:
> 
> panic: pcib: uncorrectable DMA error AFAR 0x25df020 AFSR 0x400000ff80800000
> at line 739 in file /var/portbuild/sparc64/src-client/sys/sparc64/pci/psycho.c
> cpuid = 0;
> Debugger("panic")
> Stopped at      Debugger+0x1c:  ta              %xcc, 1
> db> trace
> __panic() at __panic+0x17c
> psycho_ue() at psycho_ue+0x7c
> intr_fast() at intr_fast+0x88
> -- interrupt level=0xd pil=0 %o7=0xc02a5a40 --
> spitfire_block_zero() at spitfire_block_zero+0x70
> vm_page_zero_idle() at vm_page_zero_idle+0x74
> vm_pagezero() at vm_pagezero+0xb4
> fork_exit() at fork_exit+0x8c
> fork_trampoline() at fork_trampoline+0x8
> db>
> 
> Any ideas?

Looks like a memory ECC error that occured during a DMA read, i.e., a
hardware problem. Has this box complained about correctable errors
before?

	- Thomas

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Current FreeBSD problem reports
Critical problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.       Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o [2003/12/16] sparc64/60300sparc64     Constant kernel messages: calcru: negativ
o [2004/02/20] sparc64/63161sparc64     system panics when writing to an NFS moun

2 problems total.

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o [2003/06/24] sparc64/53670sparc64     pthreads implementation on 5.1-Release sp
o [2004/01/28] sparc64/62053sparc64     Using bridging on 5.2 Sparc64 causes imme

2 problems total.

Non-critical problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.       Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
a [2003/10/10] sparc64/57856sparc64     sparc64: IDE Raid controller no detect di

1 problem total.

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Ultra 60 here with FreeBSD 5.2.1
everything is working fine, network is super fast.
except this:

venus# ping localhost
PING localhost  (127.0.0.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=437.085 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=436.980 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=-436.748 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=-436.760 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=437.012 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=436.975 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=-436.741 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=436.987 ms

this happens to whatever ping or traceroute to internal network or to
internet is the same I Always got crazy TTL results....

anyone had this problem ?

thanks

Rick


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On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 06:30:04PM +0100, Thomas Moestl wrote:
> On Sun, 2004/03/07 at 14:06:07 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > One of the sparc package machines just died with this:
> >=20
> > panic: pcib: uncorrectable DMA error AFAR 0x25df020 AFSR 0x400000ff8080=
0000
> > at line 739 in file /var/portbuild/sparc64/src-client/sys/sparc64/pci/p=
sycho.c
> > cpuid =3D 0;
> > Debugger("panic")
> > Stopped at      Debugger+0x1c:  ta              %xcc, 1
> > db> trace
> > __panic() at __panic+0x17c
> > psycho_ue() at psycho_ue+0x7c
> > intr_fast() at intr_fast+0x88
> > -- interrupt level=3D0xd pil=3D0 %o7=3D0xc02a5a40 --
> > spitfire_block_zero() at spitfire_block_zero+0x70
> > vm_page_zero_idle() at vm_page_zero_idle+0x74
> > vm_pagezero() at vm_pagezero+0xb4
> > fork_exit() at fork_exit+0x8c
> > fork_trampoline() at fork_trampoline+0x8
> > db>
> >=20
> > Any ideas?
>=20
> Looks like a memory ECC error that occured during a DMA read, i.e., a
> hardware problem. Has this box complained about correctable errors
> before?

Not that I've seen on the console.  I'll keep an eye on it.

Kris

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have you ever had solaris on this machine?
solaris reports ECC errors in /var/adm/messages
if you don;t look at that file they are not reported on the console.
I am talking about solaris because it is very sensitive about ECC
errors or ecache errors and they are reported with details like
memory bank, if the error was correctable and the score of the error ( the
probabilty the error could be due to a real hardware failure).

it's normal to have errors like these once in a while, they are due to
cosmic rays. Sun will replace your memory only if the error occours with 
a frequency of 2 errors every month or more.

What kind of machine you have ?
errors like these are very common on ultrasparc II > 400MHz
a big stock of these cpus had defective ecache modules manufactured by
IBM.

to tell the truth solaris deal with these errors more nicely, with FreeBSD
I had experienced too kernel panics due to hardware failures (ECC errors)

Neverless FreeBSD is much better anyway.
I just dumped Solaris 9 for FreeBSD 5.2.1

Rick


On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 06:30:04PM +0100, Thomas Moestl wrote:
> > On Sun, 2004/03/07 at 14:06:07 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > One of the sparc package machines just died with this:
> > > 
> > > panic: pcib: uncorrectable DMA error AFAR 0x25df020 AFSR 0x400000ff80800000
> > > at line 739 in file /var/portbuild/sparc64/src-client/sys/sparc64/pci/psycho.c
> > > cpuid = 0;
> > > Debugger("panic")
> > > Stopped at      Debugger+0x1c:  ta              %xcc, 1
> > > db> trace
> > > __panic() at __panic+0x17c
> > > psycho_ue() at psycho_ue+0x7c
> > > intr_fast() at intr_fast+0x88
> > > -- interrupt level=0xd pil=0 %o7=0xc02a5a40 --
> > > spitfire_block_zero() at spitfire_block_zero+0x70
> > > vm_page_zero_idle() at vm_page_zero_idle+0x74
> > > vm_pagezero() at vm_pagezero+0xb4
> > > fork_exit() at fork_exit+0x8c
> > > fork_trampoline() at fork_trampoline+0x8
> > > db>
> > > 
> > > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Looks like a memory ECC error that occured during a DMA read, i.e., a
> > hardware problem. Has this box complained about correctable errors
> > before?
> 
> Not that I've seen on the console.  I'll keep an eye on it.
> 
> Kris
> 

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The long-threatened change for FreeBSD/sparc64 has now been
committed.  This changes time_t to be a 64-bit quantity, the
same as it is for the AMD64 and IA64 architectures.  People
running FreeBSD/sparc64 *will* have to read the UPDATING.64BTT
file for instructions on how to safely build and install this
change.

This only effects freebsd-current, of course.  Later we'll have
to decide the best upgrade method for people who make the jump
from RELENG_5_2 to the upcoming RELENG_5_3.

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 01:00:07PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote:

> The long-threatened change for FreeBSD/sparc64 has now been
> committed.  This changes time_t to be a 64-bit quantity, the
> same as it is for the AMD64 and IA64 architectures.  People
> running FreeBSD/sparc64 *will* have to read the UPDATING.64BTT
> file for instructions on how to safely build and install this
> change.

I'll get started on a new snapshot build of -current as of shortly
after this commit and replace the ISO image in snapshots/sparc64 on
the FreeBSD mirror sites (well, the ones that carry snapshots/ anyway).
When it's in place I'll let you know.  Probably two or three days.

As a reminder, Garance's instructions have been excellent so far.  I'm
just doing this in case someone does wind up having problems and ends
up with a machine that won't boot.  Installing from this snapshot once
it's built would start you off with a machine that already has the
64-bit time_t change done so you wouldn't need to re-attempt the upgrade.

-- 
						Ken Smith
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I know well that currently console emulation on
freebsd/sparc64 more or less doesn't exist, which I'm
pretty much OK with.  Installing a headless system is
something I have to deal with pretty much on a daily
basis at work, and once you get SSH up and running it
matters even less.

However, since my freebsd/sparc64 machine is just a
home test/dev machine I have to admit that it'd be
nice occasionally to sit at the console and run X or
even just be able to run vi if something goes wrong
and I don't have my laptop at home to be able to
serial into it.

Anyway.. these are all old points, I'm sure, to this
group so I won't spend any more time with it.  My
question really just boils down to this:

Does anyone know if there are any plans to make
console terminal emmulation work properly under
freebsd/sparc64?  I am not a developer, but I can't
imagine it would be that difficult to borrow some code
from the other BSD's (opena and net) which both are
capable of running X locally and have full support for
the sun terminal type.

No worries if not, I'm just curious.  I'll just stop
plugging in the head each time a release comes out if
someone in the dev team says, "don't look for it
before 6-release" or something similar.

Thanks in advance for any info.

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On Wednesday 10 March 2004, at 10 h 27, the keyboard of Mark Cartwright 
<sirloper@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I know well that currently console emulation on
> freebsd/sparc64 more or less doesn't exist,

It has been reported as sparc64/62448 but, unfortunately, immediately closed 
(not even downgraded to wishlist, closed, as if the problem didn't exist).

> I am not a developer, but I can't
> imagine it would be that difficult to borrow some code
> from the other BSD's (opena and net) which both are
> capable of running X locally and have full support for
> the sun terminal type.

I confirm that NetBSD installation program works fine on the Sun console.

There was another report that it may be sufficient to copy the termcap:

Subject: Re: sparc64/62448: Terminal Type during install
From: Ilya Varlashkin <ilya@samara.net>
To: Kris Kennaway <kris@freebsd.org>
Cc: liddle@thphys.ox.ac.uk
Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:37:05 +0000

On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 06:29:12PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> Synopsis: Terminal Type during install
>
> State-Changed-From-To: open->closed
> State-Changed-By: kris
> State-Changed-When: Fri Feb 6 18:28:01 PST 2004
> State-Changed-Why:
> It's documented in the release notes, and discussed extensively on the
> mailing list, that installing via the system console is not yet supported.
> Use a serial console instead for now.
>

Kris,

is there copyright problem with termcap? After the installation of FreeBSD
on my Ultra-10 I'd just copied definition from Solaris and normal console
(not serial) works just fine. If Sun didn't copyright/patent their termcap
could it just be incorporated into FreeBSD? By the way, file id appeared
to be the same on Solaris and FreeBSD, but content is different.

Kind regards,
Ilya Varlashkin


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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:27:34AM -0800, Mark Cartwright wrote:

> Does anyone know if there are any plans to make
> console terminal emmulation work properly under
> freebsd/sparc64?  I am not a developer, but I can't
> imagine it would be that difficult to borrow some code
> from the other BSD's (opena and net) which both are
> capable of running X locally and have full support for
> the sun terminal type.

I can't speak for other developers but these issues are something
I'm interested in taking care of at some point if nobody else gets
to it first.  That said, I have absolutely no clue what kind of
a timeframe that would happen in.  I'm still getting my bearings
and have another obligation or two within the project.

-- 
						Ken Smith
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On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 02:43:09PM -0700, RJ45 wrote:
>=20
> have you ever had solaris on this machine?

Not since I got hold of it.

> What kind of machine you have ?

> errors like these are very common on ultrasparc II > 400MHz
> a big stock of these cpus had defective ecache modules manufactured by
> IBM.

It's a 400MHz Ultra 5, sounds like you could be right (if you meant >=3D :-=
).

> to tell the truth solaris deal with these errors more nicely, with FreeBSD
> I had experienced too kernel panics due to hardware failures (ECC errors)
>=20
> Neverless FreeBSD is much better anyway.
> I just dumped Solaris 9 for FreeBSD 5.2.1

Welcome on board :-)

Kris

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try to reseat the CPU module and the RAM modules

Rick


On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 02:43:09PM -0700, RJ45 wrote:
> > 
> > have you ever had solaris on this machine?
> 
> Not since I got hold of it.
> 
> > What kind of machine you have ?
> 
> > errors like these are very common on ultrasparc II > 400MHz
> > a big stock of these cpus had defective ecache modules manufactured by
> > IBM.
> 
> It's a 400MHz Ultra 5, sounds like you could be right (if you meant >= :-).
> 
> > to tell the truth solaris deal with these errors more nicely, with FreeBSD
> > I had experienced too kernel panics due to hardware failures (ECC errors)
> > 
> > Neverless FreeBSD is much better anyway.
> > I just dumped Solaris 9 for FreeBSD 5.2.1
> 
> Welcome on board :-)
> 
> Kris
> 

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:49:52PM -0700, RJ45 wrote:
>=20
> try to reseat the CPU module and the RAM modules

Unfortunately this machine is sitting in a datacenter that I don't
have access to :) If it keeps having problems I'll try and ask someone
to go out and perform some percussive maintenance on it.

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 01:00:07PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote:
> 
> The long-threatened change for FreeBSD/sparc64 has now been
> committed.  This changes time_t to be a 64-bit quantity, the
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> change.

For folks that are already using 64bTT, are any special instructions
required to going back to following -current (which now has the change
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On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 10:56:39AM -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote:
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> > The long-threatened change for FreeBSD/sparc64 has now been
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> > running FreeBSD/sparc64 *will* have to read the UPDATING.64BTT
> > file for instructions on how to safely build and install this
> > change.
> 
> For folks that are already using 64bTT, are any special instructions
> required to going back to following -current (which now has the change
> committed)?

No. Just double-check that the local patch to _types.h doesn't
create a conflict when you sync your tree.

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 09:05:47AM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 10:56:39AM -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 01:00:07PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote:
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> > > The long-threatened change for FreeBSD/sparc64 has now been
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> > > same as it is for the AMD64 and IA64 architectures.  People
> > > running FreeBSD/sparc64 *will* have to read the UPDATING.64BTT
> > > file for instructions on how to safely build and install this
> > > change.
> > 
> > For folks that are already using 64bTT, are any special instructions
> > required to going back to following -current (which now has the change
> > committed)?
> 
> No. Just double-check that the local patch to _types.h doesn't
> create a conflict when you sync your tree.

Ok, I cvsup'ed, 'make buildworld', 'make buildkernel', 'mergemaster -p',
'make installworld', 'make installkernel' and 'mergemaster'.  And ...
hrrm. It did not Go As Planned:

FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #0: Thu Mar 11 18:44:21 CST 2004
    toor@caliban.rospa.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CALIBAN
Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc0506000.
Timecounter "tick" frequency 360000000 Hz quality 0
real memory  = 402653184 (384 MB)
avail memory = 376864768 (359 MB)
cpu0: Sun Microsystems UltraSparc-IIi Processor (360.00 MHz CPU)
nexus0: <OpenFirmware Nexus device>
cpu0 on nexus0
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ipfw2 initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled,
default to accept, logging limited to 5 packets/entry by default
IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.
IP Filter: v3.4.31 initialized.  Default = pass all, Logging = enabled
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0a
setrootbyname failed
ffs_mountroot: can't find rootvp
Root mount failed: 6
Manual root filesystem specification:
  <fstype>:<device>  Mount <device> using filesystem <fstype>
                       eg. ufs:/dev/da0a
  ?                  List valid disk boot devices
  <empty line>       Abort manual input
mountroot> ?
List of GEOM managed disk devices:

^^^
Blank list, naturally.

It's a good thing I have a serial-over-ethernet terminal server :-)

Any suggestions? This looks like a geom boot disk thing rather than a
64bTT thing, but what with the timing I thought I'd better explore all
scenarios.

-T


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> 64bTT thing, but what with the timing I thought I'd better explore all
> scenarios.

I should note that "unload", "load /boot/kernel.mar/kernel", "boot" does
result in a working system for me (that's my backup kernel from earlier
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On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 09:13:34PM -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote:
> 
> Ok, I cvsup'ed, 'make buildworld', 'make buildkernel', 'mergemaster -p',
> 'make installworld', 'make installkernel' and 'mergemaster'.  And ...
> hrrm. It did not Go As Planned:
> 
> FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #0: Thu Mar 11 18:44:21 CST 2004
>     toor@caliban.rospa.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CALIBAN
> Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc0506000.
> Timecounter "tick" frequency 360000000 Hz quality 0
> real memory  = 402653184 (384 MB)
> avail memory = 376864768 (359 MB)
> cpu0: Sun Microsystems UltraSparc-IIi Processor (360.00 MHz CPU)
> nexus0: <OpenFirmware Nexus device>
> cpu0 on nexus0
> Timecounters tick every 0.976 msec
> ipfw2 initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled,
> default to accept, logging limited to 5 packets/entry by default
> IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.
> IP Filter: v3.4.31 initialized.  Default = pass all, Logging = enabled
> Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0a
> setrootbyname failed
> ffs_mountroot: can't find rootvp
> Root mount failed: 6
> Manual root filesystem specification:
>   <fstype>:<device>  Mount <device> using filesystem <fstype>
>                        eg. ufs:/dev/da0a
>   ?                  List valid disk boot devices
>   <empty line>       Abort manual input
> mountroot> ?
> List of GEOM managed disk devices:
> 
> ^^^
> Blank list, naturally.
> 
> It's a good thing I have a serial-over-ethernet terminal server :-)
> 
> Any suggestions? This looks like a geom boot disk thing rather than a
> 64bTT thing, but what with the timing I thought I'd better explore all
> scenarios.

I *just* finished tracking this down like five minutes ago.  If my
digging around is correct this is caused by the latest version of
sys/kern/subr_smp.c.  If you apply the patch below and override
the kernel build's dislike for errors during compile (I was doing
this:

	env WERROR= make kernel

because just commenting out the one line results in things being
defined but not used...) the kernel seems to work.  You can probably
just back out this one file to rev 1.182 instead of the above contortions
if you want.

I just sent the analysis off to the person that did this
commit.  I could be wrong about all this but we'll see what he says.

Index: subr_smp.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/subr_smp.c,v
retrieving revision 1.183
diff -u -r1.183 subr_smp.c
--- subr_smp.c  9 Mar 2004 03:37:20 -0000       1.183
+++ subr_smp.c  12 Mar 2004 02:49:47 -0000
@@ -121,7 +121,9 @@
        1,              /* no softc */
 };
 static devclass_t cpu_devclass;
+/*
 DRIVER_MODULE(cpu, nexus, cpu_driver, cpu_devclass, 0, 0);
+*/
  
 #ifdef SMP
 /* Enable forwarding of a signal to a process running on a different CPU */


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Hello

I've tried to cvsup FreeBSD-5.2.1-RELEASE/sparc64 (Sun Netra X1)
to STABLE version. I've used /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile.
When cvsup is finished I've notice that part of source tree
(/usr/src/sys/sparc64/ and other sparc64 related things) is completly
removed. After that I can't build world. What's wrong?

# cvsup stable-supfile
[...]
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/central/central.c
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/central/centralvar.h
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/compile/.cvsignore
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/conf/GENERIC
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/conf/GENERIC.hints
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/conf/Makefile
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/conf/NOTES
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/creator/creator.h
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/creator/creator_upa.c
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/ebus/ebus.c
 Delete src/sys/sparc64/ebus/ebusvar.h
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+-------[ Vyacheslav Silakov ]----------------------
| 
| Hello
| 
| I've tried to cvsup FreeBSD-5.2.1-RELEASE/sparc64 (Sun Netra X1)
| to STABLE version. I've used /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile.
| When cvsup is finished I've notice that part of source tree
| (/usr/src/sys/sparc64/ and other sparc64 related things) is completly
| removed. After that I can't build world. What's wrong?

-stable is currently the 4.x branch which doesn't support sparc

-current is currently the 5.x branch which does.

You want to use standard-supfile.

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 09:13:34PM -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote:

> Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0a
> setrootbyname failed
> ffs_mountroot: can't find rootvp
> Root mount failed: 6
> Manual root filesystem specification:
>   <fstype>:<device>  Mount <device> using filesystem <fstype>
>                        eg. ufs:/dev/da0a
>   ?                  List valid disk boot devices
>   <empty line>       Abort manual input
> mountroot> ?
> 
> Any suggestions? This looks like a geom boot disk thing rather than a
> 64bTT thing, but what with the timing I thought I'd better explore all
> scenarios.

This turns out to have been an unforseeable interaction between the
new CPU devices in sys/kern/subr_smp.c and the way sparc64 handles
the devices that connect to the nexus bus.  njl and jhb were able
to help figure out what the problem was.  A temporary "fix" just
got committed that removes the new CPU devices on sparc64 for now,
Nate will work on a better solution shortly.

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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 01:56:37PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:35:22PM -0800, Ken Smith wrote:
> > kensmith    2004/03/12 12:35:22 PST
> > 
> >   FreeBSD src repository
> > 
> >   Modified files:
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> >   Log:
> >   This is a temporary fix to solve a regression issue on sparc64 that
> >   is caused by the way sparc64 registers its CPUs.  Nate will work on
> >   a real fix shortly.
> 
> Is this likely to fix the panics at boot time I'm having on my Ultra 30?
> 

The cdevsw changes seem to have broken FreeBSD/sparc64 when using sc(4)
in a similar way they broke FreeBSD/alpha.

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On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 12:13:20AM +0100, Marius Strobl wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 01:56:37PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:35:22PM -0800, Ken Smith wrote:
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> > >=20
> > >   FreeBSD src repository
> > >=20
> > >   Modified files:
> > >     sys/kern             subr_smp.c=20
> > >   Log:
> > >   This is a temporary fix to solve a regression issue on sparc64 that
> > >   is caused by the way sparc64 registers its CPUs.  Nate will work on
> > >   a real fix shortly.
> >=20
> > Is this likely to fix the panics at boot time I'm having on my Ultra 30?
> >=20
>=20
> The cdevsw changes seem to have broken FreeBSD/sparc64 when using sc(4)
> in a similar way they broke FreeBSD/alpha.

That sounds about right..it panics really early in the boot sequence
[1] at around the time syscons would be initialized.

Kris

[1] the dreaded "Fast Access Data MMU Miss"

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i have two Sun Blade 100's i'm trying to install 5.x on.

both of them show the same symptom of crashing with a pcib dma access
error during boot (right after install they stayed up for about 5 mins).

my questions are:


is there a stable bsd for the sun blades?

to get these to work should i somehow disable dma, and if so how?

where can i find install information for bsd's on the sun blade
 specifically?

what successes have people had putting bsd the the blade 100?


thanks for any help you can give me.


-- les




R. "les" Leslie
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University of Washington
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How do you know if you have 64bTT installed? I inhered an Ultra 10
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At 10:31 PM -0500 3/12/04, Aaron Dudek wrote:
>How do you know if you have 64bTT installed? I inherited an
>Ultra 10 machine which is running 5.2.1

It is very likely that you do NOT have 64-bTT installed.  All
the changes that help with the transition to 64-bTT have only
been installed in 5.2-current.  It is true that all the same
scripts and instructions would work if someone *wanted* to use
them to upgrade 5.2.1 to 64-bTT, but that would be a very risky
thing to do (for a variety of reasons).

But to answer your question, enter the command:

    grep _time_t /usr/include/machine/_types.h

It will show you a typedef of __int32_t or __int64_t

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:44:34 -0500 Ken Smith <kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU>
alleged:

> On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 09:13:34PM -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote:
> 
> > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0a
> > setrootbyname failed
> > ffs_mountroot: can't find rootvp
> > Root mount failed: 6
> > Manual root filesystem specification:
> >   <fstype>:<device>  Mount <device> using filesystem <fstype>
> >                        eg. ufs:/dev/da0a
> >   ?                  List valid disk boot devices
> >   <empty line>       Abort manual input
> > mountroot> ?
> > 
> > Any suggestions? This looks like a geom boot disk thing rather than a
> > 64bTT thing, but what with the timing I thought I'd better explore all
> > scenarios.
> 
> This turns out to have been an unforseeable interaction between the
> new CPU devices in sys/kern/subr_smp.c and the way sparc64 handles
> the devices that connect to the nexus bus.  njl and jhb were able
> to help figure out what the problem was.  A temporary "fix" just
> got committed that removes the new CPU devices on sparc64 for now,
> Nate will work on a better solution shortly.

Ok, I bumped into this problem too.  Now when I try to boot my previous
kernel I get:

Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help.
OK unload kernel
OK load /boot/kernel.old/kernel
/boot/kernel.old/kernel data=0x2bbc08+0x3c568 syms=[0x8+0x4ad18+0x8+0x3d2b2]
OK boot
nothing to autoload yet.
jumping to kernel entry at 0xc0040000.
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FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #1: Wed Feb 18 22:58:52 PST 2004
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panic: trap: fast data access mmu miss
at line 364 in file /usr/src/sys/sparc64/sparc64/trap.c
Uptime: 1s


Not good.  Time to burn a 5.2.1 CD?


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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 10:10:16PM -0800, Wes Peters wrote:

> FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #1: Wed Feb 18 22:58:52 PST 2004
>     rootb@sparky.softweyr.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPARKY
> panic: trap: fast data access mmu miss
> at line 364 in file /usr/src/sys/sparc64/sparc64/trap.c
> Uptime: 1s

That's more or less what I'm seeing; someone suggested it is because
console support is broken.  Ken asked for my kernel config so he can
try and reproduce it, which I will be able to dig out once I get home
later tonight.

Kris

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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 10:10:16PM -0800, Wes Peters wrote:

> Ok, I bumped into this problem too.  Now when I try to boot my previous
> kernel I get:
> 
> Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help.
> OK unload kernel
> OK load /boot/kernel.old/kernel
> /boot/kernel.old/kernel data=0x2bbc08+0x3c568 syms=[0x8+0x4ad18+0x8+0x3d2b2]
> OK boot
> nothing to autoload yet.
> jumping to kernel entry at 0xc0040000.
> Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project.
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> FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #1: Wed Feb 18 22:58:52 PST 2004
>     rootb@sparky.softweyr.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SPARKY
> panic: trap: fast data access mmu miss
> at line 364 in file /usr/src/sys/sparc64/sparc64/trap.c
> Uptime: 1s
> 
> Not good.  Time to burn a 5.2.1 CD?

Ouch.  I'm having trouble figuring out why the old kernel won't boot.
As Kris said someone has suggested this is similar to the problem we
had with make_dev() on the Alphas. That's certainly possible but if
that kernel had been running before I'm not so sure that's the problem,
I don't understand how the kernel would have been able to run before if
it's really the make_dev() issue.

You might want to give the ISO in snapshots/sparc64 on the mirror
sites a try instead of the 5.2.1 CD, especially if you had already
made the leap to 64-bit time_t.  I was in the process of trying to
create a newer version of that when I came across the problem with
the root drive not being mountable.  Now that it's fixed I'm trying
again but it will be a day or so before that's ready (if all goes
well this time :-).

Can you let us know what hardware you have?  I'm most interested in
general model (e.g. Ultra-30?) and whether it has a graphical console
that's supposed to work (e.g. Creator-3D?).  If it does have the
graphical console as a last resort you could try detaching the keyboard
and connecting a serial console to see if you can coax it into booting
the older kernel that way.  I haven't been having problems with serial
console machines at all recently...

Thanks.

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On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 05:06:43PM -0800, Robert Leslie wrote:
> 
> i have two Sun Blade 100's i'm trying to install 5.x on.
> 
> both of them show the same symptom of crashing with a pcib dma access
> error during boot (right after install they stayed up for about 5 mins).
> 
> my questions are:
> 
> is there a stable bsd for the sun blades?
> 
> to get these to work should i somehow disable dma, and if so how?
> 
> where can i find install information for bsd's on the sun blade
>  specifically?
> 
> what successes have people had putting bsd the the blade 100?
> 
> thanks for any help you can give me.

Hmm.  I know it works to some extent, that's the style machine I've
been using to test the release CD's before posting them to the mirror
sites.

Are you using them with a serial console or are you trying to use the
keyboard with them?  I think there are still issues with the USB
keyboards/mice.  For some variants of sparc64 it's safe to shift off
the serial console after completing the install but if I'm not
mistaken about the USB problems you're best off leaving the Blade-100's
on a serial console for now.

If you are using the serial port for the console is there any chance
you can send the console messages you get during a failing boot?

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