From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 11:02:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E9F16A41F for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:02:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D37B43D45 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:02:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALB2OLr089948 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:02:25 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id jALB2ODo089942 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:02:24 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:02:24 GMT Message-Id: <200511211102.jALB2ODo089942@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:02:25 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. 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From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 13:29:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8846316A41F; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:29:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2384643D45; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:29:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jkoshy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALDTHe5018082; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:29:17 GMT (envelope-from jkoshy@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id jALDTGNU018078; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:29:16 GMT (envelope-from jkoshy) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:29:16 GMT From: Joseph Koshy Message-Id: <200511211329.jALDTGNU018078@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jkoshy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports-bugs@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/89283: [Maintainer Update] audio/gnupod Update to 0.98.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:29:17 -0000 Synopsis: [Maintainer Update] audio/gnupod Update to 0.98.3 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->freebsd-ports-bugs Responsible-Changed-By: jkoshy Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Nov 21 13:27:13 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Misfiled PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=89283 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 14:10:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E7E16A420 for ; 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Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:05:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7E3743D49 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:05:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 28732 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 14:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 14:05:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 24128 invoked by uid 89); 21 Nov 2005 14:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 14:05:00 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6C1BA5D for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:05:01 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <1132581901.0@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:05:01 +0200 From: "Ion-Mihai "IOnut" Tetcu" To: "FreeBSD gnats submit" X-Send-Pr-Version: gtk-send-pr 0.4.6 Cc: Subject: advocacy/89367: [PATCH] x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2: fix PLIST X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:10:26 -0000 >Number: 89367 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: [PATCH] x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2: fix PLIST >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Nov 21 14:10:15 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ion-Mihai "IOnut" Tetcu >Release: FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Tecnik'93 >Environment: System: FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE #4: Wed Nov 16 15:38:12 EET 2005 >Description: Obviously a typo. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- linux-gtk2_pkg-plist.diff begins here --- --- pkg-plist.orig Mon Nov 21 16:00:03 2005 +++ pkg-plist Mon Nov 21 16:00:28 2005 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -etc/gtk-2.0/386-redhat-linux-gnu/gtk.immodules +etc/gtk-2.0/i386-redhat-linux-gnu/gtk.immodules etc/gtk-2.0/i386-redhat-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf.loaders usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders-32 usr/bin/gtk-demo --- linux-gtk2_pkg-plist.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 14:28:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB1216A420 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:28:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F5CB43D5A for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:28:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 4941 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 14:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 14:28:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 28980 invoked by uid 89); 21 Nov 2005 14:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 14:28:18 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760ABBA5E; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:28:20 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:28:19 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports-bugs@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051121162819.7b68a580@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <1132581901.0@it.buh.tecnik93.com> References: <1132581901.0@it.buh.tecnik93.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.100 (GTK+ 2.8.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: advocacy/89367: [PATCH] x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2: fix PLIST X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:28:26 -0000 On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:05:01 +0200 "Ion-Mihai "IOnut" Tetcu" wrote: > > >Number: 89367 > >Category: advocacy Sorry for this. Obviously it's a ports PR. -- IOnut - Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" "Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect" BOFH excuse #248: Too much radiation coming from the soil From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 22:31:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FABC16A41F; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:31:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2787343D45; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:31:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALMVHRe097762; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:31:17 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id jALMVHjX097758; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:31:17 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:31:17 GMT From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200511212231.jALMVHjX097758@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/89367: [PATCH] x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2: fix PLIST X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:31:17 -0000 Synopsis: [PATCH] x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2: fix PLIST Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->freebsd-emulation Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Nov 21 22:30:47 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer(s). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=89367 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 23 23:54:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC9816A436 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:54:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mail@chdevelopment.se) Received: from lotus.glocalnet.net (lotus.glocalnet.net [213.163.128.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B4943D8A for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:54:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mail@chdevelopment.se) Received: from [81.225.101.154] (81.225.101.154) by lotus.glocalnet.net (7.2.033.1) (authenticated as chdev) id 437EB7C8003A5705 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:54:29 +0100 Message-ID: <43850140.4000005@chdevelopment.se> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:54:40 +0100 From: Christer Hermansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051110 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: i386 do not support i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:54:37 -0000 Hi. FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the x86 platform. Not very important issue for me but it feels little strange to have a i386 platform that don't support/work on i386 processors. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html#KERNEL "Support for 80386 processors (the I386_CPU kernel configuration option) has been removed. Users running this class of CPU should use FreeBSD 5./X/ or earlier." Christer Hermansson -- http://www.chdevelopment.se/ "Be honest and you can demand honesty, be loyal and you can demand loyalty, show respect and you can demand respect." From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 24 00:28:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC8516A41F for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:28:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@vonostingroup.com) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ritamari.vonostingroup.com [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3A243D6A for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:28:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@vonostingroup.com) Received: from pcp02452302pcs.waldlk01.mi.comcast.net ([68.60.60.7] helo=[192.168.0.6]) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1Ef4y9-000HUv-Lf; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:28:09 -0500 Message-ID: <4384FAE5.40703@vonostingroup.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:27:33 -0500 From: "Frank J. Laszlo" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051120) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christer Hermansson References: <43850140.4000005@chdevelopment.se> In-Reply-To: <43850140.4000005@chdevelopment.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vonostingroup.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: i386 do not support i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:28:39 -0000 Christer Hermansson wrote: > Hi. > > FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release > notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the > x86 platform. > > Do you realize how many things depend on the platform name being i386? Just thinking of ports alone, I cound probably name a "few." Not very important, but a huge hastle to switch over. -Frank From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 24 17:03:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D0616A41F for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:03:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B6043D72 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:03:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so146600wra for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:03:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Pji7tvjGRjOEp9kfER7xh+xkEYoV5bjBtfhZwg/gTIiikt6uK2tmCO5m715QN3Y0kpGmq9rL0jXD4/q6Q+iudrIqge9KgMZuq8jPa5i5yWY+Hl7GZixhXsJS35hpIsPEG2JeicTLwuOwUCU8POss1kWMF2vX85Qt2xiKyU0yMLg= Received: by 10.54.86.11 with SMTP id j11mr5042540wrb; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:03:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.116.7 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:03:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2fd864e0511240903t7001c3a2gf7355a58b6630063@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:03:28 -0600 From: Astrodog To: "Frank J. Laszlo" In-Reply-To: <4384FAE5.40703@vonostingroup.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43850140.4000005@chdevelopment.se> <4384FAE5.40703@vonostingroup.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 do not support i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:03:35 -0000 On 11/23/05, Frank J. Laszlo wrote: > Christer Hermansson wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release > > notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the > > x86 platform. > > > > > Do you realize how many things depend on the platform name being i386? > Just thinking of ports alone, I cound probably name a "few." Not very > important, but a huge hastle to switch over. > > -Frank > Mmm. Thanksgiving Day Bikesheds, thy name is "Chris". From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 24 18:29:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB67C16A422 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:29:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@vonostingroup.com) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ritamari.vonostingroup.com [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0131F43DB8 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:28:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@vonostingroup.com) Received: from pcp02452302pcs.waldlk01.mi.comcast.net ([68.60.60.7] helo=[192.168.0.6]) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EfLpr-000Kpu-M2; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: <4385F82E.9020007@vonostingroup.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:28:14 -0500 From: "Frank J. Laszlo" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051120) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Astrodog References: <43850140.4000005@chdevelopment.se> <4384FAE5.40703@vonostingroup.com> <2fd864e0511240903t7001c3a2gf7355a58b6630063@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2fd864e0511240903t7001c3a2gf7355a58b6630063@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vonostingroup.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 do not support i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:29:54 -0000 Astrodog wrote: >On 11/23/05, Frank J. Laszlo wrote: > > >>Christer Hermansson wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi. >>> >>>FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release >>>notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the >>>x86 platform. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Do you realize how many things depend on the platform name being i386? >>Just thinking of ports alone, I cound probably name a "few." Not very >>important, but a huge hastle to switch over. >> >>-Frank >> >> >> > > > >Mmm. Thanksgiving Day Bikesheds, thy name is "Chris". >_______________________________________________ > > Not sure if that was directed at me, I wasnt trying to be a dick about it, and I tried not to come across like that. Everyone have a safe and happy holiday season, save some pie for me! Regards, Frank From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 24 19:13:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E63116A41F for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:13:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D6543D5C for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:13:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.21]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BFEA8454 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:13:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28CF69D53 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:13:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (dslb-084-057-240-018.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.57.240.18]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1EB717A6 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:13:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.4/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAOJD3PQ084720 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:13:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@kemoauc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id jAOJD2Rw084719 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:13:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <43850140.4000005@chdevelopment.se> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 do not support i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:13:07 -0000 Christer Hermansson wrote: > Not very important issue for me but it feels little strange to have a > i386 platform that don't support/work on i386 processors. NetBSD and OpenBSD also have an m68k CPU architecture that fails to support the original MC68000. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 24 23:16:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C926C16A7ED for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:16:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mail@chdevelopment.se) Received: from esprit.glocalnet.net (esprit.glocalnet.net [213.163.128.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFAE4637E for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:49:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mail@chdevelopment.se) Received: from [81.225.101.154] (81.225.101.154) by esprit.glocalnet.net (7.2.033.1) (authenticated as chdev) id 437EB70000477B3D for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:49:24 +0100 Message-ID: <4386437F.7090607@chdevelopment.se> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:49:35 +0100 From: Christer Hermansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051110 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org References: <43850140.4000005@chdevelopment.se> In-Reply-To: <43850140.4000005@chdevelopment.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: i386 do not support i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:16:11 -0000 Christer Hermansson wrote: > Hi. > > FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release > notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the > x86 platform. > > Not very important issue for me but it feels little strange to have a > i386 platform that don't support/work on i386 processors. > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html#KERNEL > "Support for 80386 processors (the I386_CPU kernel configuration > option) has been removed. Users running this class of CPU should use > FreeBSD 5./X/ or earlier." > > > Christer Hermansson > It's a lot of names around us, not only in the computer world, that has become less suitable during the time because of progress and other things, but still is in use because of different factors. I missed to write in my first mail that I also have the feeling (maybe I'm wrong) that "x86" is more recognized / common in the media nowadays. However in this case maybe it's best to keep "i386" because a lot of things depends on this name and it would be a lot of work/problems to change it. This was just one thought I had but it seems to be a bad one. Best regards Christer Hermansson -- http://www.chdevelopment.se/ "Be honest and you can demand honesty, be loyal and you can demand loyalty, show respect and you can demand respect." From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 25 00:25:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E837B16A41F for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:25:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@vonostingroup.com) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ritamari.vonostingroup.com [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6F443D7E for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:24:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@vonostingroup.com) Received: from pcp02452302pcs.waldlk01.mi.comcast.net ([68.60.60.7] helo=[192.168.0.6]) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EfROS-0003lb-Js; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:24:48 -0500 Message-ID: <43864BA3.3040102@vonostingroup.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:24:19 -0500 From: "Frank J. Laszlo" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051120) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christer Hermansson References: <43850140.4000005@chdevelopment.se> <4386437F.7090607@chdevelopment.se> In-Reply-To: <4386437F.7090607@chdevelopment.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vonostingroup.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: i386 do not support i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:25:15 -0000 Christer Hermansson wrote: > Christer Hermansson wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release >> notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the >> x86 platform. >> >> Not very important issue for me but it feels little strange to have a >> i386 platform that don't support/work on i386 processors. >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html#KERNEL >> "Support for 80386 processors (the I386_CPU kernel configuration >> option) has been removed. Users running this class of CPU should use >> FreeBSD 5./X/ or earlier." >> >> >> Christer Hermansson >> > It's a lot of names around us, not only in the computer world, that > has become less suitable during the time because of progress and other > things, but still is in use because of different factors. > > I missed to write in my first mail that I also have the feeling (maybe > I'm wrong) that "x86" is more recognized / common in the media nowadays. > > However in this case maybe it's best to keep "i386" because a lot of > things depends on this name and it would be a lot of work/problems to > change it. > > This was just one thought I had but it seems to be a bad one. > > Best regards Christer Hermansson > I totally agree with you, x86 is a much more recognized representation. I'd just hate to be the one having to do all the code modifications to "Make it Work(tm)" find /usr/src /usr/ports -type f | xargs sed -i '.bak' "s/i386/x86/g" Only in a perfect "world" right? :) Regards, Frank From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 25 13:57:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DB716A41F for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:57:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rosti.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6C343D53 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:57:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rosti.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so2102282nze for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:57:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OuUNP4JomZOmexojbzTEJ2Kw5e8mAdPl1DSWSMbBVaE1oWYhdUxpHWkjqBMtHa3q3X51VQG37ZKk6zCqYHnoWH3GTGfbtp0Zkh7uhXd/COovMXuaF4f8IGRuNoSEzWy1N/C2rYjKxVw99nT53p4e9JzEgQOcpTIJeUZGCiGX2V0= Received: by 10.64.148.16 with SMTP id v16mr384030qbd; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.220.6 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:57:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <59e2ee810511250557j1b4ff01dsa7e93d3c73a86121@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:57:43 +0200 From: Rostislav Krasny To: Christer Hermansson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: i386 do not support i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:57:45 -0000 > FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release > notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the > x86 platform. 16-bit 8086, 8088, 80186 and 80286 are x86 processors too. 80386 was the first 32-bit processor from Intel, and it had many other significant architectural changes. I believe the i386 architecture name is righteous for 80386 successors, even without the 80386 particular support. That's just my IMHO. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 25 14:08:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E9916A41F for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:08:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul.butler@tdbanknorth.com) Received: from tdbanknorth.com (mail4.tdbanknorth.com [12.15.146.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410EF43D70 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:08:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul.butler@tdbanknorth.com) Message-ID: <7E62107FEEDDCC42B8A01A9A12A557142A5872@me6awmail04.bkng.net> From: "Butler, Paul" To: "'freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:04:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: i386 support X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:08:47 -0000 Christer Hermansson wrote: > Hi. > > FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release > notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the > x86 platform. > > Do you realize how many things depend on the platform name being i386? Just thinking of ports alone, I cound probably name a "few." Not very important, but a huge hastle to switch over. -Frank I believe the issue here is one of the accepted nomenclature currently in use in the industry, although it is not completely accurate. This is because "i-386" is often used to refer to all the processing chips using successors to the 386 instruction set, even though very few installations actually employ a true 386 chip. FreeBSD needs to keep its terminology consistent with other operating systems ported to the same "Intel-based" technology, and in this context retaining the "i-386" designation makes sense because all of us whose responsibility includes 32-bit Pentium family hardware can immediately identify which version of FreeBSD (or the kernel) is the one for use on these machines. Paul Butler