From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 16 17:30:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B0416A4CE for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:30:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.centralpets.com (www.centralpets.com [216.15.161.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA91543D58 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:30:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lcaldwell@centralpets.com) Received: (qmail 30543 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 17:30:51 -0000 Received: from bark.centralpets.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by centralpets.com ([127.0.0.1]) with ESMTP via TCP; 16 Jan 2005 17:30:51 -0000 Received: from 210.117.67.218 (unverified [210.117.67.218]) by bark.centralpets.com (VisualMail 4.0) with WEBMAIL id 30541; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:30:51 +0000 From: "Linus Caldwell" To: hackers@freebsd.org Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mintersoft VisualMail, Build 4.0.111601 X-Originating-IP: [210.117.67.218] Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:30:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Above the law? (was: You gotta be kidding .... Re: cvs commit: src/sys/miscfs/specfs spec_vnops.c) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:30:50 -0000 On Sunday, 16 January 2005 at 11:46:35 -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: >> >>> Instead, the appropriate way is to turn off user level blockdev >>> access entirely. This is the conclusion that was made weeks ago >>> when you first started your rampage to blow away block devices. A >>> time table was also proposed at that time and I committed a sysctl >>> to implement it (which you attempted to remove two weeks ago, which >>> led to blowup #2). >> >> That's what this basically does; it just shortcuts the the old block >> device entries to the character device to avoid violating POLA, so that >> people can experiment with life on a system with nothing that behaves >> like a "block device". > > Poul has completely ignored the proposal, time table, sysctl, and the > several major figures that supported it and has gone ahead with his own > plans, refusing to work with or accept the advise of anyone else on the > matter. I believe Poul's action to be entirely improper and, frankly, > if it were up to me I'd pull both his core status and his commit privs > for this third direct infraction. [Although this is formally a reply to Matt, I'm addressing the committers community here] I agree in nearly every point. We have several issues here: 1. It's by no means clear that this commit was correct. While it's true that -CURRENT is the right place to test new ideas, this matter was discussed and we had not come to a conclusion. As I pointed out earlier, I thought that both the timing and the manner of this commit were inappropriate in view of the incomplete discussion of the matter. 2. Didn't we have a committers policy which was supposed to apply to core team members as well, even those bearing axes? We've discussed this matter dozens of times before. When Matt Dillon did this, they removed his commit privileges (correctly IMO). When phk does it, people do nothing. I discussed this matter with a number of people at the Con, including phk, who explained that it was absolutely necessary if 4.0 should come out on time. OK, that's an opinion; nobody else has stated this. But even if it proves to be true, I don't think it's a justification. >From what I can see, Matt has shown a much better understanding of the material than phk has done. I respect his judgement, and I now also respect his restraint. But if phk goes on ignoring his peers, one of two things is going to happen: 1. He'll have his core and commit bits revoked. 2. He'll piss off a lot of good people who will go elsewhere. I think either of these alternatives would be a great pity. The alternative is simple: Poul-Henning, please respect the rules. Linus --------------------------------------------- This e-mail was sent using a CentralPets WebMail account Get yours at: http://mail.centralpets.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 16 18:03:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1794C16A4CE; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:03:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EC343D2D; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:03:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E75C3D37; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:03:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Linus Caldwell" Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:03:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41EA662C.8178.A1C7318D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Above the law? (was: You gotta be kidding .... Re: cvs commit: src/sys/miscfs/specfs spec_vnops.c) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:03:24 -0000 On 16 Jan 2005 at 17:30, Linus Caldwell wrote: > [Although this is formally a reply to Matt, I'm addressing the > committers community here] Then please address to to the committers mailing list. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 16 20:43:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3320316A4CE; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:43:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCEC43D2F; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:43:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6D3C85664; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:13:07 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:13:07 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Linus Caldwell Message-ID: <20050116204307.GE55001@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1nHxr/DJDVCa1lM8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Above the law? (was: You gotta be kidding .... Re: cvs commit: src/sys/miscfs/specfs spec_vnops.c) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:43:12 -0000 --1nHxr/DJDVCa1lM8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 16 January 2005 at 17:30:51 +0000, Linus Caldwell wrote: > On Sunday, 16 January 2005 at 11:46:35 -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: I can't believe this. >> Poul has completely ignored the proposal, time table, sysctl, and the >> several major figures that supported it and has gone ahead with his own >> plans, refusing to work with or accept the advise of anyone else on the >> matter. I believe Poul's action to be entirely improper and, frankly, >> if it were up to me I'd pull both his core status and his commit privs >> for this third direct infraction. > > [Although this is formally a reply to Matt, I'm addressing the > committers community here] About 5 years too late? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --1nHxr/DJDVCa1lM8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB6tHbIubykFB6QiMRAhZYAKCeag0sBteaorrh9p7v95bKuFhypQCgiwur BH99X2ry9aryIpVmnkfh4rg= =ufHa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1nHxr/DJDVCa1lM8-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 16 21:03:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAE316A4CE; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:03:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9561043D31; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:03:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0GL30XC069456; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:03:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0GL30RW000346; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:03:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0GL30dI000345; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:03:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:03:00 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Message-ID: <20050116210300.GA329@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20050116204307.GE55001@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050116204307.GE55001@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-RC2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: Linus Caldwell cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Above the law? (was: You gotta be kidding .... Re: cvs commit: src/sys/miscfs/specfs spec_vnops.c) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:03:04 -0000 On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 07:13:07AM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote.. > On Sunday, 16 January 2005 at 17:30:51 +0000, Linus Caldwell wrote: > > On Sunday, 16 January 2005 at 11:46:35 -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > I can't believe this. > > >> Poul has completely ignored the proposal, time table, sysctl, and the > >> several major figures that supported it and has gone ahead with his own > >> plans, refusing to work with or accept the advise of anyone else on the > >> matter. I believe Poul's action to be entirely improper and, frankly, > >> if it were up to me I'd pull both his core status and his commit privs > >> for this third direct infraction. > > > > [Although this is formally a reply to Matt, I'm addressing the > > committers community here] > > About 5 years too late? Roughly, yes. Recycling email is Bad Karma[tm] -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 18 02:04:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4CA16A4CE for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:04:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta4p.point.ne.jp (mta4p.point.ne.jp [210.188.175.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6585943D58 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:04:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pwd8jmr22w@me.point.ne.jp) Received: from vc2.point.ne.jp ([211.1.103.129]) by mta4p.point.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20050118020425.HXOI29542.mta4p@vc2.point.ne.jp> for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:04:25 +0900 Received: from fvc2-p.point.ne.jp (fvc2.point.ne.jp [210.188.175.77]) by vc2.point.ne.jp (Scanmail) with ESMTP id 66C892EFD3 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:04:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([218.230.54.236]) by fvc2-p.point.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20050118020424.UTYM178.fvc2-p@[218.230.54.236]> for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:04:24 +0900 Message-ID: <41ECED3A.70403@me.point.ne.jp> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:04:26 +0000 From: Srot BULL User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050109) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chat-ML FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Just to make sure that I am following the correct FreeBSD ML rules/etiquettes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pwd8jmr22w@me.point.ne.jp List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:04:27 -0000 Hi, Sorry if this is not the right list for this post. I did not want to bother all those guys in the questions mailing list with this non-sense posting. By the way, if I do this kind of posting again...please tell where to correctly post it... I have this question all a long and it seems that my urge to ask this question in this list is no longer controllable. For example: I posted a question in the freebsd-questions mailing list and as usual I get my quick and valuable answers. To all volunteers, Thank You! I posted this yesterday: IPFW - How to allow NAT client to CVSup Now, what if I need to follow-up another question that is not much related to my original post but a little to the response that the people gave me. Like for example, Mr. Aaron Siegel, answered that I should be editing the /etc/rc.firewall. Just for example again, if I wanted to ask the list which should it be. Do I need to make my own rulesets or do I need to use /etc/rc.firewall because, sometime before (sorry I could not find it anymore...) I have read about leaving /etc/rc.firewall as it should be, because it is a little outdated and that I should create my own rulesets...I hope I am not sounding like I do not need answers like that, I NEED THEM, because I want to learn...I just need some guidance and your ideas here. Assuming the above, do I need to post another topic for the above or should I just continue to respond and ask the above question in the same thread? Do I sound really stupid here? Well, my reason for my posting this non-sense question is, what if someone like me, new to FreeBSD gets a response like search it in the archive...I do, but what if someone gets to read the above archive and gets confused because I asked another question which was not so related to the original posting. This is just an assumption... Well if you find this post uncomprehensible sorry... If you have some advice, can I have then...? Thanks and have a nice day...to all of you. Srot BULL From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 18 02:12:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905A216A4CE for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:12:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89BF43D39 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:12:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1CqirP-0000t9-00; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:12:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Srot BULL In-Reply-To: <41ECED3A.70403@me.point.ne.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Chat-ML FreeBSD Subject: Re: Just to make sure that I am following the correct FreeBSD ML rules/etiquettes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:12:58 -0000 On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Srot BULL wrote: > Now, what if I need to follow-up another question that is not much related > to my original post but a little to the response that the people gave me. ... > Assuming the above, do I need to post another topic for the above or should > I just continue to respond and ask the above question in the same thread? Without looking at the thread, I'd say that just replying to same thread should be fine since it was related. Also, if the thread really begins to change focus, often changing the Subject line is fine, such as "Subject: new subject (was: old subject)" > Thanks and have a nice day...to all of you. Jeremy C. Reed open source, Unix, *BSD, Linux training http://www.pugetsoundtechnology.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 18 02:38:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECAB16A4CE for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:38:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta5p.point.ne.jp (mta5p.point.ne.jp [210.188.175.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409EB43D1D for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:38:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pwd8jmr22w@me.point.ne.jp) Received: from vc3.point.ne.jp ([211.1.103.130]) by mta5p.point.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20050118023823.YLOC24150.mta5p@vc3.point.ne.jp>; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:38:23 +0900 Received: from fvc2-p.point.ne.jp (fvc2.point.ne.jp [210.188.175.77]) by vc3.point.ne.jp (Scanmail) with ESMTP id 4B1392EFC2; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:38:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([218.230.54.236]) by fvc2-p.point.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20050118023823.UVOB178.fvc2-p@[218.230.54.236]>; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:38:23 +0900 Message-ID: <41ECF531.6040300@me.point.ne.jp> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:38:25 +0000 From: Srot BULL User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050109) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeremy C. Reed" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Chat-ML FreeBSD Subject: Re: Just to make sure that I am following the correct FreeBSD ML rules/etiquettes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pwd8jmr22w@me.point.ne.jp List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:38:26 -0000 Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Srot BULL wrote: >>Now, what if I need to follow-up another question that is not much related >>to my original post but a little to the response that the people gave me. >>Assuming the above, do I need to post another topic for the above or should >>I just continue to respond and ask the above question in the same thread? > Without looking at the thread, I'd say that just replying to same thread > should be fine since it was related. > Also, if the thread really begins to change focus, often changing the > Subject line is fine, such as "Subject: new subject (was: old subject)" O.K., Thank you I got it... Srot BULL From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 18 08:03:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486E416A4CE for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:03:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.cyclades.de (mail.cyclades.de [62.225.173.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF5743D2D for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:03:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from [192.168.10.148] (helo=[192.168.10.148]) by www.cyclades.de with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CqoKV-0000DR-00; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:03:11 +0100 Message-ID: <41ECC23F.5060203@kernel32.de> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:01:03 +0100 From: Marian Hettwer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041228) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pwd8jmr22w@me.point.ne.jp References: <41ECED3A.70403@me.point.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <41ECED3A.70403@me.point.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: cc: Chat-ML FreeBSD Subject: Re: Just to make sure that I am following the correct FreeBSD ML rules/etiquettes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:03:19 -0000 Hi there, some answers, which popped up in my head. Although I'm usually reading the german de-bsd-questions, I believe the "rules/etiquette" on international bsd-questions should be the same. So, here we go :) Srot BULL wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry if this is not the right list for this post. I did not want to > bother all those guys in the questions mailing list with this non-sense > posting. > By the way, if I do this kind of posting again...please tell where to > correctly post it... > until now it sounds like a -chat question, so it looks right to post here ;) > I have this question all a long and it seems that my urge to ask this > question in this list is no longer controllable. > > For example: > I posted a question in the freebsd-questions mailing list and as usual I > get my quick and valuable answers. To all volunteers, Thank You! > I posted this yesterday: > IPFW - How to allow NAT client to CVSup > > Now, what if I need to follow-up another question that is not much > related to my original post but a little to the response that the people > gave me. Like for example, Mr. Aaron Siegel, answered that I should be > editing the /etc/rc.firewall. Just for example again, if I wanted to > ask the list which should it be. Do I need to make my own rulesets or do > I need to use /etc/rc.firewall because, sometime before (sorry I could > not find it anymore...) I have read about leaving /etc/rc.firewall as it > should be, because it is a little outdated and that I should create my > own rulesets...I hope I am not sounding like I do not need answers like > that, I NEED THEM, because I want to learn...I just need some guidance > and your ideas here. > well, I would leave rc.firewall as-it-is and I would create my own ruleset, which is basicly just a shell script. To let it run in rc.conf at boot time, you just use firewall_script="/path/to/your/script.sh" instead of firewall_type="something" which would refer to rc.firewall. check out /etc/defaults/rc.conf which gives you a rough overview. > Assuming the above, do I need to post another topic for the above or > should I just continue to respond and ask the above question in the same > thread? You should always use a new eMail for a new question. It makes live easier for others searching the archives. Let's assume your first eMail was about your first custom kernel. If you would ask inside this eMail a second question about your own firewall rule set this wouldn't make much sense. > Do I sound really stupid here? Well, my reason for my posting this > non-sense question is, what if someone like me, new to FreeBSD gets a > response like search it in the archive...I do, but what if someone gets > to read the above archive and gets confused because I asked another > question which was not so related to the original posting. This is just > an assumption... > your assumption is correct. HTH best regards, Marian From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 18 10:57:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAF516A4CF for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:57:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail211.autocontactor.com (mail211.autocontactor.com [66.70.75.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE62B43D39 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:57:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from system@autocontactor.com) X-VirtualServer: Default, mail211.autocontactor.com, 66.70.75.211 Message-ID: <1106043773.221@autocontactor.com> To: "Pullhenning Kunt" Message-ID: <146150-220051218105749781@mail80.autocontactor.com> From: "Michael Angier/SuccessNet" x-1scdbg: mc:brt:25519:305998:22515771 X-SentTo: "Pullhenning Kunt" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:57:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Sorry, There Was a Small Problem with Our Big Announcement! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: BeYourBest@SuccessNet.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:57:21 -0000 Of all the days for our list server to hiccup. On Monday, some of our subscribers received duplicates of our announcement and others got nothing. But there's no way for us to tell who did or didn't receive it. If you got the announcement of the printing of my new book, great! If you got more than one, please forgive the techno glitch--and this note. But if you DIDN'T see the announcement, please go to http://successnet.org/101bestways/getahead/letter.htm My Letter It's all there--and well worth the read. WARNING: Following the great advice contained in this book may very well cause YOU to be included in a future list of the world's most successful people. Make it a Great Day! ------------------------------------------ Michael Angier, CIO (Chief Inspiration Officer) SuccessNet--Your Success is Our Business! We're dedicated to helping you operate at your personal and professional best. http://SuccessNet.org POB 2048 Win-Win Way South Burlington VT 05407-2048 USA Support@SuccessNet.org If you no longer wish to receive communication from us: http://www.1automationwiz.com/app/r.asp?ID=22515771&ARID=0 To update your contact information: http://www.1automationwiz.com/app/r.asp?c=1&ID=22515771 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 19 20:03:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533D716A4CE for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:03:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B133943D53 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:03:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from syncman@optusnet.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (c211-30-63-111.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.63.111]) (authenticated bits=0)j0JK3gZ7013108 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:03:48 +1100 Message-ID: <41EF58B2.1080506@optusnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:07:30 +0000 From: Andrew Sinclair User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050116 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20050119081722.87869.qmail@web51001.mail.yahoo.com> <200501191220.55614.ian@codepad.net> <24950525.20050119161422@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <24950525.20050119161422@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD I LOVE YOU X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:03:50 -0000 Moved here because it wasn't a question. - Andrew Sinclair. Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Xian writes: > >X> I installed FreeBSD on a machine with an Athlon 3200 that I accident under >X> clocked to 1.4GHz. I didn't notice for quite a while as the performance was >X> amazing any way. It didn't half go some when I put the clock speed up to >X> 2.2GHz. > >I think people nowadays forget how fast computers are. Remember, UNIX >was designed long ago, at a time when a computer that could hit one >million integer instructions per second was nearly science fiction. >UNIX was therefore designed to be fast, and even today, despite the >gradual evolution that the OS has undergone, it still is extremely fast >compared to certain very bloated operating systems that were written at >a later time, when increasing hardware speeds could conceal laziness on >the part of systems programmers. > >Given what older hardware used to support under UNIX, I wouldn't be at >all surprised if you could support 1000 simultaneous timesharing users >on FreeBSD with a modern PC. If you add X then you naturally gobble up >resources and bring UNIX closer to Windows or the Mac, but if you run a >straight text-only OS, it can be hard to ever come close to the machine >capacity with any kind of real-world load (meaning a realistic load of >the type for which UNIX was intended). > > I once worked at a company that was holding on to this "Prime" computer system for the bulk of their operations. The thing had a clock speed of about 33MHz and served 42 users on VT-1xx emulated terminals. For some time, I contemplated setting up a desktop system with FreeBSD to prove that they were loosing money on this black hole. A few months into the job, someone beat me to it with twelve high priced DEC AlphaServers running OpenVMS, and they were just used to manage the shops (one to be the server, eleven to be used with VT510s as cash registers). For reasons beyond me, they didn't ditch the big tank until after they were brought out and had moved to a new location. So yeah, by the standards of those days (1997) I could get two doesen iPaq's to do all that. What buzzwords would I have used; redundant, UPS protected, portable client and server model computing appliances? Unfortunately, PDA's were out of my league then so my only option of desktop PCs would not have made much of a statement they would care to notice. >I never seen less than about 97% idle my machine, and the average over >time is closer to 99.9% idle. The machine is definitely working, but >with a streamlined OS and straightforward applications that don't have >to drive GUIs or play music or animate movies, it flies. > > > High Def is half the fun of it. Wishlist: - SO-HO router with Mobile Pentium ULV and CompactFlash removable firmware card. - 2D matrix of DELL Axim 50v's functioning as a grid computer and a videowall. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 19 20:12:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73CA16A4CE for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:12:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.centralpets.com (www.centralpets.com [216.15.161.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E81643D31 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:12:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tarrb@centralpets.com) Received: (qmail 6436 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 20:12:12 -0000 Received: from bark.centralpets.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by centralpets.com ([127.0.0.1]) with ESMTP via TCP; 19 Jan 2005 20:12:12 -0000 Received: from 61.206.125.114 (unverified [61.206.125.114]) by bark.centralpets.com (VisualMail 4.0) with WEBMAIL id 6434; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:12:12 +0000 From: "Basher Tarr" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mintersoft VisualMail, Build 4.0.111601 X-Originating-IP: [61.206.125.114] Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:12:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Are you also tired of the AOL guy? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:12:09 -0000 Dear Freebsd0101@aol.com, I'm tired of your bullshit. Not only you have no friggin' idea of what you talk about 90% of the time, but you never provide a solution for those 'problems' you claim to have with FreeBSD 5.3. That tedm@toybox.placo.com guy may be a moron, but at least he doesn't claim to be a kernel guru like you've done. Of course, you haven't submitted any patch to fix those deficiencies present in FreeBSD but expect, in a classic Brett Glass style, that someone will step in and do the job for you. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Put up or shut up. To the people who have suggested that he takes a look at DragonFlyBSD. Please, DON'T. The last thing DFly needs is someone like this guy. There was some ocasional trolling on the lists in the past (mainly performed by Bosko) but it's been a very nice place so far. Instead, my suggestion is that you team up with Dag-Erling Smorgrav. Both of you love to make condescending remarks and both of you suffer from chronic asshole-ism. You're going to be very good friends. Bash. --------------------------------------------- This e-mail was sent using a CentralPets WebMail account Get yours at: http://mail.centralpets.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 20 00:40:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8009916A4CE; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:40:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AD243D5C; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:40:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dwilson32@kc.rr.com) Received: from homec3p0 (CPE-65-28-67-242.kc.rr.com [65.28.67.242]) j0K0epIM000778; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:40:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200501200040.j0K0epIM000778@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> From: "Derik Wilson" To: "'Basher Tarr'" , Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:40:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: Thread-index: AcT+YvHJyj722ZCNTXSCbg/i52//iAAJZ7dw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Are you also tired of the AOL guy? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:40:56 -0000 Hi, I haven't posted anything up until this point. I think we all need to group hug! =D Someone sounds a little ticked off! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Basher Tarr Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:12 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Are you also tired of the AOL guy? Dear Freebsd0101@aol.com, I'm tired of your bullshit. Not only you have no friggin' idea of what you talk about 90% of the time, but you never provide a solution for those 'problems' you claim to have with FreeBSD 5.3. That tedm@toybox.placo.com guy may be a moron, but at least he doesn't claim to be a kernel guru like you've done. Of course, you haven't submitted any patch to fix those deficiencies present in FreeBSD but expect, in a classic Brett Glass style, that someone will step in and do the job for you. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Put up or shut up. To the people who have suggested that he takes a look at DragonFlyBSD. Please, DON'T. The last thing DFly needs is someone like this guy. There was some ocasional trolling on the lists in the past (mainly performed by Bosko) but it's been a very nice place so far. Instead, my suggestion is that you team up with Dag-Erling Smorgrav. Both of you love to make condescending remarks and both of you suffer from chronic asshole-ism. You're going to be very good friends. Bash. --------------------------------------------- This e-mail was sent using a CentralPets WebMail account Get yours at: http://mail.centralpets.com _______________________________________________ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 22 08:01:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B9816A4CE for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:01:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776B643D55 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:01:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flowers@users.sourceforge.net) Received: from pd5mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr8so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.184]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAP00B28KY8KS20@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:01:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd5mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAP00GZ7KY8MXB0@pd5mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:01:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from procyon.nekulturny.org (S0106000c41b2b9a3.cg.shawcable.net [68.144.45.143]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IAP00L4JKY8Y4@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:01:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:01:20 -0700 From: Danny MacMillan In-reply-to: <20050122061355.96495.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> To: stheg olloydson Message-id: <20050122080120.GA65042@procyon.nekulturny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline References: <20050122061355.96495.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: linicks@gmail.com cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:01:42 -0000 On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 10:13:54PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: > > ... > > P.S. If the "name" in your addy is meant to be phonetically identical > to the name "Linux", it isn't. Linus pronounces it "lee-nooks", where > the oo sound is the same as in smooth, not foot (neutrally-accented > American pronunciation). After living in the States for some time now, > I know Americans say it the same way you apparently do, but as with > most things these days, just because an American says it doesn't make > it true. xenophobic on me. HA! That's another joke! Sorry, but the recent > Coronat^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Inauguration has left me slightly stupified. -My > last joke! Really! I wouldn't want to have Homeland Security think I'm > really anti-American. Besides, I have to go, someone's pounding on the > door. I wonder who it could be at this time of ni It seems that Linus now pronounces it lin' nuks. He makes it clear in "Revolution OS" (Wonderview Productions, 2003) that he doesn't consider the rules he uses to pronounce his own name to apply to Linux (after demonstratively speaking his name as he pronounces it in each of the languages he speaks, he states, "But 'Linux' is always lin' nuks"). This is in clear contradiction to the sound file on esr's web site. Since he can't even make up his own mind, it hardly seems proper to cite him as the ultimate authority on the subject. But, if one were to do so, he would be squarely in the Americans' camp :) -- Danny From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 22 12:00:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471AA16A4D0 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1077343D1D for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phummers@iname.com) Received: from sdn-ap-013dcwashp0043.dialsprint.net ([63.188.128.43] helo=[10.0.1.4]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CsJwG-0006XI-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:00:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <20050122080120.GA65042@procyon.nekulturny.org> References: <20050122061355.96495.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> <20050122080120.GA65042@procyon.nekulturny.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <306A9C6C-6C6D-11D9-8E07-000502FDB988@iname.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Hummers Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:00:20 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.3 I/O Performance / Linux 2.6.10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:53 -0000 On Jan 22, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Danny MacMillan wrote: > It seems that Linus now pronounces it lin' nuks. He makes it clear in > "Revolution OS" (Wonderview Productions, 2003) that he doesn't consider > the rules he uses to pronounce his own name to apply to Linux (after > demonstratively speaking his name as he pronounces it in each of the > languages he speaks, he states, "But 'Linux' is always lin' nuks"). > This is in clear contradiction to the sound file on esr's web site. > Since he can't even make up his own mind, it hardly seems proper to > cite him as the ultimate authority on the subject. But, if one were > to do so, he would be squarely in the Americans' camp :) Hmm. Shouldn't that be "gaNoo lin'nuks?" ;-) ~Peter Hummers == "It is best never to have been born. But who among us has such luck? One in a million, perhaps. ~Alfred Polgar