From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 02:18:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD0416A41C for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:18:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gayn.winters@mail.bristolsystems.com) Received: from dns.bristolsystems.com (h-68-167-239-98.lsanca54.covad.net [68.167.239.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF8D43D4C for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:18:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gayn.winters@mail.bristolsystems.com) Received: from workdog ([192.168.1.201]) by dns.bristolsystems.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j5Q2IVg31981 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:18:31 -0700 From: "Gayn Winters" To: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:18:22 -0700 Message-ID: <01d501c579f5$56611ac0$c901a8c0@workdog> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: Intel 82801FR SATA RAID controller ICH6R X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:18:32 -0000 I'm having trouble with RAID1 support on the ICH6R in a Tyan S5150 motherboard. I have two identical SATA 80GB Western Digital drives put into a RAID1 array using the ICH6R setup. I've tried both 5.4-RELEASE and 6.0-CURRENT-SNAP004 with the same results. Namely, via CD, the OS seems to load onto the mirrored SATA drives without an error; however, when attempting to boot from the resulting HDD the loader cannot find the OS and stops. If I disconnect the mirror using the ICH6R setup, the OS loads and boots correctly - at least on 6.0 - and the OS sees both drives. 1. Is the ata support (mk3 patches) now the same in 5.4 and 6.0? 2. Is hardware (ICH6R) RAID1 mirroring supported? 3. If "yes" to both, could I have corrupted the MBR? Thanks, -gayn From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 16:38:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571AB16A41C; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:38:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@ibsd.us) Received: from chaos.fxp.org (chaos.fxp.org [216.155.111.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDB843D49; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:38:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@ibsd.us) Received: from localhost (localhost.fxp.org [127.0.0.1]) by chaos.fxp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728A828440; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chaos.fxp.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chaos.fxp.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 66266-03-2; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.150] (c-24-0-74-121.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [24.0.74.121]) by chaos.fxp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EBF28444; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:38:42 -0500 From: Bob Bomar User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at fxp.org Cc: Subject: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:38:34 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am looking to build a new file server. I have used Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking at Highpoint cards for this machine. Anybody have any opinions on RAID cards? - -- Bob Bomar bob@bomar.us http://www.bomar.us/~bob -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCvtoQ9Jm/aTrtdKoRAveRAJ4qF21sZ52SFpnE0tCaazOHyuTiCgCggPMw xfpEYgfU3GHE2JpEB0PKfYo= =ABWH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 18:21:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D2416A41C; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:21:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nethaniel@box201.com) Received: from host78.ipowerweb.com (host78.ipowerweb.com [66.235.200.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBD843D1F; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:21:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nethaniel@box201.com) Received: from c-67-190-22-43.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([67.190.22.43] helo=electricblue) by host78.ipowerweb.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmblU-0005nH-C5; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:21:56 -0700 From: To: , Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:21:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcV6banggPjnIZY9TGWxBEMK3LCozQADaFrA X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host78.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - box201.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Message-Id: <20050626182156.0BBD843D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Cc: 'Bob Bomar' Subject: RE: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:21:57 -0000 I can say my experience with adaptec 3200s cards has not been the most fruitful. It's been 2 weeks now and I cannot even get my system to load past the initial bootup options screen. Anything but option 6 fails. The sad thing is I have a driver but I need to load some kind of os on the system or I cannot load my driver. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bob Bomar > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:39 AM > To: questions@freebsd.org; hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: RAID Cards > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am looking to build a new file server. I have used > Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking > at Highpoint cards for this machine. Anybody have any > opinions on RAID cards? > > - -- > Bob Bomar > bob@bomar.us > http://www.bomar.us/~bob > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFCvtoQ9Jm/aTrtdKoRAveRAJ4qF21sZ52SFpnE0tCaazOHyuTiCgCggPMw > xfpEYgfU3GHE2JpEB0PKfYo= > =ABWH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 18:43:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E982016A41C; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:43:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF6A43D55; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:43:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1Dmc6b-0009Yk-6a; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:43:46 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20050626182156.0BBD843D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> References: <20050626182156.0BBD843D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:43:44 -0600 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Mon May 30 00:43:02 MDT 2005) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Cc: FreeBSD Questions , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:43:48 -0000 On Jun 26, 2005, at 12:21 PM, wrote: > I can say my experience with adaptec 3200s cards has not been the most > fruitful. It's been 2 weeks now and I cannot even get my system to > load past > the initial bootup options screen. Anything but option 6 fails. The > sad > thing is I have a driver but I need to load some kind of os on the > system or > I cannot load my driver. The adaptec 3200s is supported out of the box in FreeBSD with the asr driver (at least on i386). You should not need a separate driver. Is the adaptec at the latest firmware and is your system bios at the latest version? I had a problem with an adaptec 2200s (aac driver) with my tuan opteron board that was fixed with a system BIOS upgrade. Chad > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- >> questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bob Bomar >> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:39 AM >> To: questions@freebsd.org; hardware@freebsd.org >> Subject: RAID Cards >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I am looking to build a new file server. I have used >> Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking >> at Highpoint cards for this machine. Anybody have any >> opinions on RAID cards? >> >> - -- >> Bob Bomar >> bob@bomar.us >> http://www.bomar.us/~bob >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iD8DBQFCvtoQ9Jm/aTrtdKoRAveRAJ4qF21sZ52SFpnE0tCaazOHyuTiCgCggPMw >> xfpEYgfU3GHE2JpEB0PKfYo= >> =ABWH >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad@shire.net From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 00:42:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C67E16A41C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:42:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kketell@juniper.net) Received: from colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net [207.17.137.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3E743D49; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:42:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kketell@juniper.net) Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext2.juniper.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j5R0gFBm090794; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:42:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kketell@juniper.net) Received: from elrond.juniper.net (elrond.juniper.net [172.17.22.235]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id j5R0gDj26370; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:42:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kketell@juniper.net) Received: from elrond.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elrond.juniper.net (8.13.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j5R0gDDa013921; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kketell@elrond.juniper.net) Received: (from kketell@localhost) by elrond.juniper.net (8.13.3/8.12.3/Submit) id j5R0g8Vm013920; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:42:08 -0700 From: Kent Ketell To: Bob Bomar Message-ID: <20050627004207.GC13895@juniper.net> References: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> User-Agent: mutt-ng 1.5.9i (FreeBSD) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:42:16 -0000 On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 11:38:42AM -0500, Bob Bomar wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > at Highpoint cards for this machine. Anybody have any > opinions on RAID cards? I have had great results with the Adaptec 2200s controllers. Just remember to not enable the aacp device. -Kent- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 00:47:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD03D16A454 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:47:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBD043D53 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:47:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so264453wra for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:47:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PfEQkMz60POMyS9lmqd88B13cfa1XSzLplWMVcUSbqLgPCSPEzarKlKHvLyaWkSGQ6nEb3lyE3inmTTapLdQMipYvOARkl0zRLOUjJ/f/WmO2s5JK65NPuthB4Wl9AxQWE9ejM53m9dLG+bJKSXi9/3MMwA81GZH/4OJQIWvIvY= Received: by 10.54.86.1 with SMTP id j1mr3022909wrb; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.124.2 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:47:44 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton To: Bob Bomar In-Reply-To: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nikolas Britton List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:47:46 -0000 On 6/26/05, Bob Bomar wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > I am looking to build a new file server. I have used > Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking > at Highpoint cards for this machine. Anybody have any > opinions on RAID cards? I have no problems with my highpoint cards. See my other post from a few minutes ago under the thread "Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 01:11:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3156416A41C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:11:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brucegb@realtime.net) Received: from ruth.realtime.net (ruth.realtime.net [205.238.132.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C800243D4C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:11:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brucegb@realtime.net) Received: from tigerfish2.my.domain (unverified [70.113.33.56]) by realtime.net (Realtime Communications Advanced E-Mail Services V9.2) with ESMTP id 87466139 for multiple; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:09:54 -0500 Received: from tigerfish2.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5R19rQh050246; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:09:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb@tigerfish2.my.domain) Received: (from brucegb@localhost) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j5R19rK8050245; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:09:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:09:53 -0500 From: Bruce Burden To: nethaniel@box201.com Message-ID: <20050627010953.GA50229@tigerfish2.my.domain> References: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> <20050626182156.0BBD843D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050626182156.0BBD843D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Cc: 'Bob Bomar' , questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:11:26 -0000 On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 12:21:02PM -0600, nethaniel@box201.com wrote: > I can say my experience with adaptec 3200s cards has not been the most > fruitful. It's been 2 weeks now and I cannot even get my system to load past > the initial bootup options screen. Anything but option 6 fails. The sad > thing is I have a driver but I need to load some kind of os on the system or > I cannot load my driver. > Fails how? I was not able to boot 5.4 with my Adaptec 3210S installed. I believe the best I got was a hang or a panic. I finally got the system to behave when I added OPTION ASR_TOOLS to the kernel. What is option 6 in the boot screen? Bruce -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 03:06:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96B516A41C for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:06:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FB843D55 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:06:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from BLUELAPIS.sentex.ca (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j5R36LNJ050777; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:06:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) From: Mike Tancsa To: Bob Bomar Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:06:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> In-Reply-To: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 205.211.164.50 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:06:33 -0000 On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:38:42 -0500, in sentex.lists.freebsd.hardware you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >I am looking to build a new file server. I have used >Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking >at Highpoint cards for this machine. Anybody have any >opinions on RAID cards? =46or RAID1, the 3ware cards are great. I have been using them many years. For RAID5, I have started using the Areca SATA cards. VERY fast. Both are supported out of the box on FreeBSD 5.4 install CD ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, Sentex communications http://www.sentex.net Providing Internet Access since 1994 mike@sentex.net, (http://www.tancsa.com) From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 12:21:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5220116A41F for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:21:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nike_d@cytexbg.com) Received: from mail.interbgc.com (mx03.interbgc.com [217.9.224.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C00E43D53 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:21:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nike_d@cytexbg.com) Received: (qmail 8354 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 12:21:38 -0000 Received: from nike_d@cytexbg.com by keeper.interbgc.com by uid 1002 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (uvscan: v4.2.40/v4374. spamassassin: 2.63. 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(10.0.0.3) by tormentor.totalterror.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 12:21:35 -0000 Message-ID: <42BFEF62.3000206@cytexbg.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:21:54 +0300 From: Niki Denev User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:21:41 -0000 >I am looking to build a new file server. I have used >Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking >at Highpoint cards for this machine. Anybody have any >opinions on RAID cards? After the initial attempt to use Adaptec 2010S ZeroChannel raid on one Supermicro Dual Opteron server that we use in our office, i was really dissapointed by the abyssmal performance of this so called raid card. Then i have switched to GEOM stripe + mirror combination for RAID10, and everybody is happy ever after :) The zero channel was literally blown away by the gsripe+gmirror performance in the benchmarks that i have made. --niki From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 17:00:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913D116A41C for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:00:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaco@coocoo.za.net) Received: from riot.premsoft.co.za (mail.accountmate.co.za [196.38.54.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2B243D1F for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:00:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaco@coocoo.za.net) Received: (qmail 4168 invoked by uid 1003); 27 Jun 2005 16:54:46 -0000 Received: from jaco@coocoo.za.net by riot.premsoft.co.za by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (clamscan: 0.65. spamassassin: 2.63. 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Processed in 15.059 secs); 27 Jun 2005 16:54:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO webmail.premsoft.co.za) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Jun 2005 16:54:30 -0000 Received: from 196.37.144.101 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jaco@coocoo.za.net) by webmail.premsoft.co.za with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:54:30 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <2468.196.37.144.101.1119891270.squirrel@webmail.premsoft.co.za> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:54:30 +0200 (SAST) From: jaco@coocoo.za.net To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: [Marvell 88E8050] Ask your board manufacturer for Marvell 88E8050 NIC support X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:00:44 -0000 Hello list, I recently corresponded with a person at a certain company that wrote a driver for the Marvell Yukon 88E8050 NIC SPECIFICLY for FreeBSD. This person told me that the company is unable to release this driver at present due to lack of support staff (management decision). This person also mentioned that if enough people request this driver for FreeBSD, they will be forced to release it. Now, for me this was some good news. The bad news is that if people don't ask for it, they are not going to release it. Now, this is my request: >From what I have seen in this list there are PLENTY of people using different hardware that actually require this device driver. The FreeBSD community need it. Can you please request a FreeBSD dirver for this NIC from your board manufacturer? The more people requesting this driver, the better the chances of us getting it. Let me say it again: The FreeBSD driver is in existance, we must just request it so that is can be released! Please do so! Thank you VERY much in advance. ---Jaco From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 20:39:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8E116A41C for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:39:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from etoll@vipstructures.com) Received: from rodan.vipstructures.com (rodan.vipstructures.com [66.195.71.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E96443D1F for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:39:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from etoll@vipstructures.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.vipstructures.com [127.0.0.1]) by rodan.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9731EE828 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mothra.vipstructures.com (mothra.vipstructures.com [192.168.1.3]) by rodan.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429941EE824 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:39:02 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:39:57 -0400 Message-ID: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456EADA@VIP10-WIN2K> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RAID Cards Thread-Index: AcV6ba12Rcr/e7+oRteRR/S6/Uk3MQA6en7A From: "Toll, Eric" To: Cc: Subject: RE: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:39:03 -0000 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bob Bomar >=20 > I am looking to build a new file server. I have used Promise=20 > cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking at Highpoint=20 > cards for this machine. Anybody have any opinions on RAID cards? I really like 3Ware cards. They are true hardware (XOR) RAID. They have a "neeto" 3DM2 web gui software interface, and it can email you if the array gets into trouble. I think 3Ware has great OS support for BSD. I am using a 3Ware RAID card with (2) WD RAID edition drives, on AMD64 (Hammer) FreeBSD without issue. Define the array via "alt+3" in the BIOS, install BSD as you would for a standard disk. Easy! From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 28 04:38:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C80416A42A; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:38:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nethaniel@box201.com) Received: from host78.ipowerweb.com (host78.ipowerweb.com [66.235.200.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D510D43D48; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:38:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nethaniel@box201.com) Received: from c-67-190-22-43.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([67.190.22.43] helo=electricblue) by host78.ipowerweb.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dn7rt-00062C-8t; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:38:41 -0700 From: "Nethaniel St. Donovan" To: "'Bruce Burden'" Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:38:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050627010953.GA50229@tigerfish2.my.domain> Thread-Index: AcV6tVE0uqPp0j8/S2mgaq14+MYwRgA5Recg X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host78.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - box201.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Message-Id: <20050628043841.D510D43D48@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:38:42 -0000 Option 6 for Freebsd boot up screen is "drop to boot commandline". It basically lets you set certain options so the system can load properly. I.E. it's running 100% off the CD at that moment and if you want to turn acpi off prior to boot you can. Fail because whatever Linux I try (I prefer FreeBSD) the OS can't see the raid as a valid drive. Each OS asks what drive to install to but when you look to choose which one the Raid is never in the list of option to begin loading on. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Burden [mailto:brucegb@realtime.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:10 PM > To: nethaniel@box201.com > Cc: questions@freebsd.org; hardware@freebsd.org; 'Bob Bomar' > Subject: Re: RAID Cards > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 12:21:02PM -0600, nethaniel@box201.com wrote: > > I can say my experience with adaptec 3200s cards has not been the most > > fruitful. It's been 2 weeks now and I cannot even get my system to load > past > > the initial bootup options screen. Anything but option 6 fails. The sad > > thing is I have a driver but I need to load some kind of os on the > system or > > I cannot load my driver. > > > Fails how? I was not able to boot 5.4 with my Adaptec 3210S > installed. I believe the best I got was a hang or a panic. I finally > got the system to behave when I added OPTION ASR_TOOLS to the kernel. > > What is option 6 in the boot screen? > > Bruce > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. > - Thuganlitha > The Power and the Prophet > Robert Don Hughes > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 28 09:58:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0681B16A41C for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:58:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@sharktech.net) Received: from sharktech.net (usr1-123.sharktech.net [66.90.92.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41CA43D1D for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:58:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@sharktech.net) Received: (qmail 7173 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2005 09:58:08 -0000 Received: from psyxakias.ath.forthnet.gr (HELO none) (213.16.181.212) by admin.sharktech.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2005 09:58:08 -0000 Message-ID: <024c01c57bc7$e10867e0$0301a8c0@none> From: "SharkTECH Internet Services" To: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:58:02 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Slow Performance: Intel SRC16 RAID controller (amr driver) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:58:11 -0000 Hello,=20 I'm e-mailing you as a last ditch of effort to resolve this problem = which really have left us hopeless. We have recently acquired a high-end = server and have been beta testing it to bring it to production, but we = are experiencing SERIOUS problems with the performance of the raid = controller read/write performance which we are coming to you hoping for = a resolution.=20 System Specs:=20 2 x AMD Opteron 244 2GB DDR-3200 ECC REG RAM Tyan S2882 Board (most recent bios release) Intel SRCS16 Raid Controller (Most recent bios release) 5 x 200GB 7.2KRPM WD 8MBuffer HDD's Intel Pro/1000 SC Fiber O/S:=20 FreeBSD 5.4 RELEASE (amd64) Raid is configured as Raid-5 with 64Kbyte and pretty much default = settings all the way on that part. FreeBSD detects the Raid and installs = it just fine. When it starts installing the O/S from CD it bursts to = ~2000KB/s and go as low as 40KB/s while installing ports. Once system is = installed we tried dd/bonnie/bonnie++ and a small script we even made to = benchmark it yet all show really bad performance. Logs below will show = tests made:=20 bonnie:=20 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- = --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- = --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU = /sec %CPU 100 5116 4.6 3412 0.7 9850 1.6 91008 99.8 1530299 99.9 = 118084.7 98.7 bonnie++:=20 Version 1.93c ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- = --Random- Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- = --Seeks-- Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP = /sec %CP godzilla.hosts 300M 326 98 4824 1 4459 1 749 99 +++++ +++ = 1261 3 Latency 34053us 299ms 291ms 24724us 653us = 6277ms Version 1.93c ------Sequential Create------ --------Random = Create-------- godzilla.hosts.bc1. -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- = -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP = /sec %CP 16 3216 9 +++++ +++ +++++ +++ 2582 6 +++++ +++ = +++++ +++ Latency 1757ms 299us 64us 1811ms 159us = 253us 1.93c,1.93c,godzilla.hosts.bc1.bresnan.net,1,1116728125,300M,,326,98,4824= ,1,4459,1,749,99, +++++,+++,1261,3,16,,,,,3216,9,+++++,+++,+++++,+++,2582,6,+++++,+++,+++++= , +++,34053us,299ms,291ms,24724us,653us,6277ms,1757ms,299us,64us,1811ms,159= us,253us dd:=20 dd if=3D/dev/amrd0s1a of=3D/dev/null ^C36267+0 records in 36267+0 records out 18568704 bytes transferred in 9.330515 secs (1990105 bytes/sec) Custom script making continuous copies of 1 file (223M): Sat May 21 18:58:24 MDT 2005: 291072 KB/min (4851.20 KB/sec) Sat May 21 18:59:25 MDT 2005: 286064 KB/min (4767.73 KB/sec) Sat May 21 19:00:25 MDT 2005: 285808 KB/min (4763.46 KB/sec) Sat May 21 19:01:25 MDT 2005: 279728 KB/min (4662.13 KB/sec) dmesg information: amr0: mem 0xff5f0000-0xff5fffff irq 28 at = device 3.0 on pci3 amr0: Firmware 713N, BIOS = G401, 64MB RAM amrd0: on amr0 amrd0: 763108MB (1562845184 sectors) RAID 5 (optimal) We have already tried to play around with enabling/disabling the cache = on the hard drives, we even used a different set of 3 80GB 7.2KRPM WD = drives instead to see if their is a disfunctional drive causing this yet = nothing. This problem has been really frustrating for us and we even got = a couple of people emailing us with the same problem they are having I = hope you understand we've been using FreeBSD for the last 7 years and we = really don't wanna stop using it now, as the problem does not occur in = other O/S (ie MSWindows). If any driver developers that can modify amr driver would like to test = it on our system, feel free to contact me back via e-mail to provide you = SSH access. I really hope you would be able to help us out, really appreciate your = time on this. Thank you Tim Timrawi SharkTECH Internet Services. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 28 14:52:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCA716A41C; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:52:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brucegb@realtime.net) Received: from ruth.realtime.net (ruth.realtime.net [205.238.132.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A947C43D49; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:52:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brucegb@realtime.net) Received: from tigerfish2.my.domain (unverified [70.113.33.56]) by realtime.net (Realtime Communications Advanced E-Mail Services V9.2) with ESMTP id 87647492 for multiple; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:52:08 -0500 Received: from tigerfish2.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5SEq6h5054606; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:52:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb@tigerfish2.my.domain) Received: (from brucegb@localhost) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j5SEq2pE054605; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:52:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:52:02 -0500 From: Bruce Burden To: "Nethaniel St. Donovan" Message-ID: <20050628145202.GC50229@tigerfish2.my.domain> References: <20050627010953.GA50229@tigerfish2.my.domain> <1119933523_61044@ruth.realtime.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1119933523_61044@ruth.realtime.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:52:10 -0000 On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 10:38:34PM -0600, Nethaniel St. Donovan wrote: > Option 6 for Freebsd boot up screen is "drop to boot commandline". > Okay, that one. My problems started when I went to multi-user mode, and the RAID logical volume was accessed. > > Fail because whatever Linux I try (I prefer FreeBSD) the OS can't see the > raid as a valid drive. > I am running my collection of drives as a RAID 5, but I would think your situation should be similiar, given the 3210S is a faster version of the 3200S... Of course, I haven't tried to boot my RAID, it only contains user directories. When the Adaptec 3210S POST screen comes up, does it should one logical disk? I trust you don't have any of the ear-piercing alarms going off when the card performs its POST checks. Bruce -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 28 15:31:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339CF16A41C for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:31:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaco@coocoo.za.net) Received: from riot.premsoft.co.za (mail.accountmate.co.za [196.38.54.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E0343D1F for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:31:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jaco@coocoo.za.net) Received: (qmail 21790 invoked by uid 1003); 28 Jun 2005 15:25:42 -0000 Received: from jaco@coocoo.za.net by riot.premsoft.co.za by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (clamscan: 0.65. spamassassin: 2.63. Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 9.343344 secs); 28 Jun 2005 15:25:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO webmail.premsoft.co.za) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jun 2005 15:25:32 -0000 Received: from 196.37.144.114 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jaco@coocoo.za.net) by webmail.premsoft.co.za with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:25:32 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <1574.196.37.144.114.1119972332.squirrel@webmail.premsoft.co.za> In-Reply-To: <200506281451.j5SEpgR18725@icim-mail.cps.intel.com> References: <200506281451.j5SEpgR18725@icim-mail.cps.intel.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:25:32 +0200 (SAST) From: jaco@coocoo.za.net To: esg@mailbox.cps.intel.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Intel(R) Server Board SE7320VP2 Email Support Request X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:31:18 -0000 Luis, Thank you for your reply. Luis, my problem is this: The FreeBSD community is looking for a driver to support this single piece of hardware that is made by Marvell, namely Marvell Yukon 88E8050 NIC. What I would like from Intel is to get Marvell to write a driver for this piece of hardware that is used on the Intel board. I have already read the compatibility lists and the works. That is why I contacted support -- to hear if it would be possible to actually get the manufacturers of the hardware that is being used on Intel boards to supply drivers for FreeBSD as well. As far as I know, the driver already exists within Marvell (ie, the driver is ALREADY written) and with enough people and board manufacturers requesting the driver it will actually be released. I look forward to hear from Intel. ;) Thank you! ---Jaco > Hello Jaco, > > Thank you for contacting Intel(R) Technical Support. > > FreeBSD* has not been validated on the Intel(R) Server Board SE7320VP2. > Because of this we do not have drivers, or best-known methods for > supporting this operating system. > > Please see the following website for more compatibility information: > > http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/sb/cs-012672.htm > > You could try to contact the FreeBSD* developer communities on the > Internet too see if any drivers for this device are available. > > Regards, > > Luis Pablo S. > Intel(R) Technical Support > > Intel is a registered trademark of Intel Corporation or its subsidiaries > in the United States and other countries. > > *Other names and brands may be claimed as the property of others. > > A representative of Intel may subsequently contact you (via email) in > order to obtain your feedback on the quality of the support you received. > If you do not wish to participate, simply delete the survey email. > > <===== Received from jaco@coocoo.za.net on 2005-06-27-17.14.25.000000 > ======> > > Hi, > > I recently bought a server with this board. > We use FreeBSD as Operating system for all our servers. > > On this board, the second NIC is a Marvell Yukon 88E8050. > Unfortunately no driver for FreeBSD exist for this NIC. > > Can you guys please arrange that either a source or binary driver is > released for this NIC that will support the FreeBSD 4 / FreeBSD 5.X range > of Operating Systems. > > A lot of people are actually using FreeBSD as an operating system and can > not use this board's full functionality as there is a lack of device > drivers for this NIC. > > This driver is really much needed by the FreeBSD community. > > OS: FreeBSD 5-STABLE (5.4 as of this writing) > > Thank you in advance! > Best regards. > ---Jaco > ##ERIGNORE## > First_name: Jaco > Last_name: van Tonder > Email: jaco@coocoo.za.net > Customer_type: End User > Product: Intel(R) Server Board SE7320VP2 > Product_id: 1856 > OS: BSD* > Survey_opt_in: Yes > Bios_version: > BMC: > HSC: > FRUSDR: > chassis_selection: None > raid_selection: None > server_mgmt_selection: None > Processor_speed: > Processor_type: > sSpec: > Issue: Hi, > > I recently bought a server with this board. > We use FreeBSD as Operating system for all our servers. > > On this board, the second NIC is a Marvell Yukon 88E8050. > Unfortunately no driver for FreeBSD exist for this NIC. > > Can you guys please arrange that either a source or binary driver is > released for this NIC that will support the FreeBSD 4 / FreeBSD 5.X range > of Operating Systems. > > A lot of people are actually using FreeBSD as an operating system and can > not use this board's full functionality as there is a lack of device > drivers for this NIC. > > This driver is really much needed by the FreeBSD community. > > OS: FreeBSD 5-STABLE (5.4 as of this writing) > > Thank you in advance! > Best regards. > ---Jaco > Form_id: 45 > > { See Attached File: Attachment }{ See Attached File: history.html } > > > IMPORTANT NOTE IF YOU REPLY TO THIS EMAIL: Please perform a reply with > history so that the following identifier "[THREAD_ID:3654026]" is seen in > your response email. This will insure that your reply is delivered to the > proper support team at Intel and will reduce the time it takes to receive > a response. Thank you. > > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 28 21:20:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390FC16A41C for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:20:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sclements@linkline.com) Received: from smtp2.linkline.com (smtp2.linkline.com [64.30.215.157]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05C743D53 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:20:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sclements@linkline.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-66-59-225-129.lcinet.net [66.59.225.129]) by smtp2.linkline.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AE3857; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42C1BF01.60303@linkline.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:20:01 -0700 From: Samuel Clements User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SharkTECH Internet Services References: <024c01c57bc7$e10867e0$0301a8c0@none> In-Reply-To: <024c01c57bc7$e10867e0$0301a8c0@none> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow Performance: Intel SRC16 RAID controller (amr driver) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:20:04 -0000 SharkTECH Internet Services wrote: > Hello, Hi! > > I'm e-mailing you as a last ditch of effort to resolve this problem which really have left us hopeless. We have recently acquired a high-end server and have been beta testing it to bring it to production, but we are experiencing SERIOUS problems with the performance of the raid controller read/write performance which we are coming to you hoping for a resolution. > > System Specs: > 2 x AMD Opteron 244 > 2GB DDR-3200 ECC REG RAM > Tyan S2882 Board (most recent bios release) > Intel SRCS16 Raid Controller (Most recent bios release) > 5 x 200GB 7.2KRPM WD 8MBuffer HDD's > Intel Pro/1000 SC Fiber > > O/S: > FreeBSD 5.4 RELEASE (amd64) Technically not an Intel supported configuration (in an non 'qualified' Intel board), but technically FreeBSD isn't supported either! Don't you just love the pat answers from them sometimes? ;) Do you have the optional battery backup unit installed on the RAID controller? I know that you cannot enable write caching without it. This should be the same for the LSI and Dell implementations of the same card... -Sam From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 29 05:34:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEB616A420 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:34:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mus.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9862743D53 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:33:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mus.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so693005wra for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:33:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Z/rIFsi2xmlIrJU0ezF78T8l5LIQqx1CWTUbevz9Mvyn9b4dx/6vKZMpX7CDF6We8773o9mO3Js2dibhdtjhWVigLTLyZ7RwinALzuQY1hsKUTNb23XzOgla94vHZi8JjHwxcIpoAy6JhLrl62KBA5zajIUP1BfVxm2fU1y0X8w= Received: by 10.54.104.13 with SMTP id b13mr39481wrc; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.129.5 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8eb2b81050628223368cb1c14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:33:59 +0800 From: Muzaffar Ariff To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: ESS Maestro3, no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Muzaffar Ariff List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:34:01 -0000 Hi, I've been trying to configure my maestro3 on a dell latitude (C600) but can't seem to get it right. Here's what I've done: 1. Identified my sound card by loading the sound driver module: #kldload snd_driver 2. Cat /dev/sndstat to see what sound driver it is: FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xd800 irq 5 kld snd_maestro3 (4p/1r/0v channels duplex default) 3. So then I load the driver directly to /boot/loader.conf: snd_maestro3_load=3D"YES" 4. The I reboot the system and used xmms to play my mp3. It runs and can play the file but no sound! Pump up the volume but nothing happens. The weird thing is the sound works on Windows. I've search the startup messages /var/run/dmesg.boot and found the following: pci0: at device 7.3 (no driver attached) pcm0: port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem 0xf3ffe000-0xf3fffff= f irq 5 at device 8.0 on pci0 pcm0: failed: rid 0x10 is ioport, requested 3 pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pcm0: Now could there be something wrong with the pci0 or the pcm0? Any pointers on how to fix this? --=20 Muzaffar Ariff mus.bsd@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 29 21:53:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482DA16A41C for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:53:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Received: from newman.meridian-enviro.com (newman.meridian-enviro.com [207.109.235.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7A643D49 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:53:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) X-Envelope-To: Received: from delta.meridian-enviro.com (delta.meridian-enviro.com [10.10.10.43]) by newman.meridian-enviro.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j5TLqxPj081249 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:52:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: <87d5q4g79g.wl%rand@meridian-enviro.com> From: "Douglas K. Rand" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/21.3 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.84/960/Tue Jun 28 23:31:06 2005 on newman.meridian-enviro.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: FreeBSD 5.4 and ICP iir controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:53:01 -0000 We have an ICP Vortex GDT8546RZ 4 port SATA controller on a FreeBSD system. Actually, we have a number of them on FreeBSD 4.x systems, and have always used ICP's driver rather than the FreeBSD driver because the ICP driver works with their icpcon tool, and FreeBSD 4.x's driver doesn't. Well, we've got an ICP card in a FreeBSD 5.4 system now, and I'm wondering what driver to use. ICP's site lists 5.1 as the most recent 5.x version tested. The differences between ICP's driver and the FreeBSD 5.x driver seem to be almost trivial. And the icpcon tool works just fine with the FreeBSD 5.x driver. Does anybody have any advice or experience to share on this? From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 13:44:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BEE16A41C for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:44:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmartin37@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D7443D1F for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:44:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmartin37@speakeasy.net) Received: (qmail 24061 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2005 13:44:18 -0000 Received: from adsl-211-141-250.asm.bellsouth.net (HELO [192.168.2.101]) (moonlightcheese@[68.211.141.250]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Jun 2005 13:44:17 -0000 Message-ID: <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:44:14 -0400 From: JM User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Jennejohn References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> In-Reply-To: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:44:19 -0000 Gary Jennejohn wrote: >Has anyone tried using a dual-core AMD65 X2 in an ASUS AV8 Deluxe >mobo? For that matter, has anyone on this list tried out an X2 at >all? > >-------- >Gary Jennejohn / garyjATjennejohnDOTorg gjATfreebsdDOTorg garyjATdenxDOTde > > > i've never had the pleasure of coming across an AMD65... and unfortunately i haven't experienced an X2 although there are a few articles regarding performance and other info. anandtech.com is my favorite review site and they've tested the X2 in this article: http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410 and here's the dual core opterons just for fun: http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2397 and some info on X2 overclocking: http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2452 hope this helps. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 20:10:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C8216A41C; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:10:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dannyman@toldme.com) Received: from shiva.nextrials.com (shiva.nextrials.com [64.81.74.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF7C43D48; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:10:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dannyman@toldme.com) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mito.sr.nextrials.com [192.168.1.102]) by shiva.nextrials.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FD33C288B; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42C45161.1070402@toldme.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:09:05 -0700 From: Danny Howard User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050607) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Bomar References: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> In-Reply-To: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:10:01 -0000 Bob Bomar wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am looking to build a new file server. I have used > Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking > at Highpoint cards for this machine. Anybody have any > opinions on RAID cards? My 2c: RAID cards suck, because they are difficult to monitor consistently. For a lot of my systems, I've been deploying gmirror, which can mirror a pair of drives, even at the system level. Works great, easy to monitor through standard tools, no firmware / driver / kernel version / userland conflicts and generally better performance. YMWV, -danny -- http://dannyman.toldme.com/ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 20:44:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA24316A41C for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:44:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DF9443D49 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:44:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 52532 invoked by uid 110); 30 Jun 2005 20:44:47 -0000 Received: from ool-18ba9d5e.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (simon%optinet.com@24.186.157.94) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 20:44:47 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "Bob Bomar" , "Danny Howard" Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:48:18 -0400 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <42C45161.1070402@toldme.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20050630204448.8DF9443D49@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" , "hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:44:49 -0000 Just because there is no monitoring tool available due to lack of support, doesn't mean the card itself is bad. I much prefer hardware implementation than software. True hardware RAID frees up a lot of CPU time if you have heavy IO and software just can't keep up if you utilize CPU intensive apps. The sad fact is most manufacturers don't receive enough FreeBSD demand to support it :-( I wish and keep waiting for this to change one day. I would be very happy then, but until then... -Simon On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:09:05 -0700, Danny Howard wrote: >Bob Bomar wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I am looking to build a new file server. I have used >> Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking >> at Highpoint cards for this machine. Anybody have any >> opinions on RAID cards? > >My 2c: RAID cards suck, because they are difficult to monitor consistently. > >For a lot of my systems, I've been deploying gmirror, which can mirror a >pair of drives, even at the system level. Works great, easy to monitor >through standard tools, no firmware / driver / kernel version / userland >conflicts and generally better performance. > >YMWV, >-danny > >-- >http://dannyman.toldme.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 20:57:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B38416A41C; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:57:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from djh@nebcorp.com) Received: from ratchet.nebcorp.com (ratchet.nebcorp.com [205.217.153.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6331243D1F; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:57:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from djh@nebcorp.com) Received: by ratchet.nebcorp.com (Postfix, from userid 1014) id 2BE62D982A; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:57:44 -0700 From: Danny Howard To: Simon Message-ID: <20050630205744.GN33728@ratchet.nebcorp.com> References: <42C45161.1070402@toldme.com> <20050630205128.84DFBD9825@ratchet.nebcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050630205128.84DFBD9825@ratchet.nebcorp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu Cc: Bob Bomar , "questions@freebsd.org" , "hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:57:44 -0000 On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 04:48:18PM -0400, Simon wrote: > Just because there is no monitoring tool available due to lack of > support, doesn't mean the card itself is bad. I much prefer hardware > implementation than software. True hardware RAID frees up a lot of > CPU time if you have heavy IO and software just can't keep up if you > utilize CPU intensive apps. When you have a dual Xeon setup, you are more likely to be bound by disk than CPU. And a RAID that you can not monitor is a BAD RAID. The biggest thing that bothers me about my current environment is that I have remotely-deployed machines with RAIDs and I can't tell when a disk goes bad unless I visit the datacenter. Last time I was there I had a RAID card throwing an audible alarm, even though nothing was wrong. I had to reboot a critical system to fix that. If you can implement it in software, then its worth the headaches you'll avoid with hardware dependencies. If you're concerned at CPU overhead, spend the cash you would have spent on a RAID card and upgrade your CPU. Sincerely, -danny -- http://dannyman.toldme.com/ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 21:14:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE4816A41C for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:14:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19C6343D48 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:14:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 58635 invoked by uid 110); 30 Jun 2005 21:14:44 -0000 Received: from ool-18ba9d5e.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (simon%optinet.com@24.186.157.94) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2005 21:14:44 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "Danny Howard" Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:18:15 -0400 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <20050630205744.GN33728@ratchet.nebcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20050630211444.19C6343D48@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Bob Bomar , "questions@freebsd.org" , "hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:14:45 -0000 It's not only CPU factor, I don't trust software RAID. As for monitoring, I can tell whether or not a drive is dead via SAFTE chip and all SCSI RAID cards support SAFTE and a proper SCSI server would have SAFTE support. As for SATA, the 3ware cards have 3dm tool to monitor the array. -Simon On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:57:44 -0700, Danny Howard wrote: >On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 04:48:18PM -0400, Simon wrote: > >> Just because there is no monitoring tool available due to lack of >> support, doesn't mean the card itself is bad. I much prefer hardware >> implementation than software. True hardware RAID frees up a lot of >> CPU time if you have heavy IO and software just can't keep up if you >> utilize CPU intensive apps. > >When you have a dual Xeon setup, you are more likely to be bound by disk >than CPU. > >And a RAID that you can not monitor is a BAD RAID. > >The biggest thing that bothers me about my current environment is that I >have remotely-deployed machines with RAIDs and I can't tell when a disk >goes bad unless I visit the datacenter. Last time I was there I had a >RAID card throwing an audible alarm, even though nothing was wrong. I >had to reboot a critical system to fix that. > >If you can implement it in software, then its worth the headaches you'll >avoid with hardware dependencies. If you're concerned at CPU overhead, >spend the cash you would have spent on a RAID card and upgrade your CPU. > >Sincerely, >-danny > >-- >http://dannyman.toldme.com/ > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 01:44:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66D716A41F for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:44:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from googl3meister@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7515C43D1D for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:44:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from googl3meister@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so209386wra for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:44:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PGQp6kja8gbdgPErrJ9wnXuT2Y+9AN8D5hRit0+RCBMjS+tYbtyGaJ9WU7waGCKxMREEW6DElUwjnrPJN95y97T5N/7BPLz6fFS0vrKVXSjcJ1DMNV1CVnA/1s5tazumxh6VV4ZD56ynQMhGfctNrt6B0nCuwUKt+18lPHpBxWk= Received: by 10.54.117.16 with SMTP id p16mr898532wrc; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.31.69 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:44:02 +1000 From: =?WINDOWS-1252?B?lSCV?= To: JM In-Reply-To: <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> Cc: Gary Jennejohn , freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?WINDOWS-1252?B?lSCV?= List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 01:44:05 -0000 On 6/30/05, JM wrote: > Gary Jennejohn wrote: >=20 > >Has anyone tried using a dual-core AMD65 X2 in an ASUS AV8 Deluxe > >mobo? For that matter, has anyone on this list tried out an X2 at > >all? > > > >-------- > >Gary Jennejohn / garyjATjennejohnDOTorg gjATfreebsdDOTorg garyjATdenxDOT= de > > > > > > > i've never had the pleasure of coming across an AMD65... and > unfortunately i haven't experienced an X2 although there are a few > articles regarding performance and other info. anandtech.com is my > favorite review site and they've tested the X2 in this article: > http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3D2410 > and here's the dual core opterons just for fun: > http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3D2397 > and some info on X2 overclocking: > http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3D2452 > hope this helps. >=20 Page 2 of the second last link has this to say, regarding compatibility of the X2 chips with existing motherboards: http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3D2397&p=3D2 "... On the desktop, the Athlon 64 X2 series is fully compatible with all Socket-939 motherboards. All you need is a BIOS update and you're good to go." I'd be truly amazed if this was the case for all motherboards, although it might be in the spec... --cheers gm From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 01:54:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF6416A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:54:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.NUXI.org (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F2E43D4C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:54:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.NUXI.org (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.NUXI.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j611svDQ011502; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:54:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.NUXI.org) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.NUXI.org (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id j611svT7011501; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:54:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:54:57 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: =?unknown-8bit?B?lSCV?= Message-ID: <20050701015457.GC4460@dragon.NUXI.org> References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: JM , freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 01:54:58 -0000 On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 11:44:02AM +1000, ? ? wrote: > Page 2 of the second last link has this to say, regarding > compatibility of the X2 chips with existing motherboards: > http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2397&p=2 > "... > On the desktop, the Athlon 64 X2 series is fully compatible with all > Socket-939 motherboards. All you need is a BIOS update and you're > good to go." > > I'd be truly amazed if this was the case for all motherboards, > although it might be in the spec... It really should be that simple. All the external interfaces and pins are the same for Athlon64-939 and Athlon64 X2. They have the same thermal specifications, etc... -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 09:20:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED8D16A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:20:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail15.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail15.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D1643D49; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:19:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail15.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j619Jtal001579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:19:56 +1000 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j619JtRx085215; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:19:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j619JsDQ085214; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:19:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:19:54 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Simon Message-ID: <20050701091954.GC83739@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <20050630205744.GN33728@ratchet.nebcorp.com> <20050630211444.19C6343D48@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050630211444.19C6343D48@mx1.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" , "hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:20:01 -0000 On Thu, 2005-Jun-30 17:18:15 -0400, Simon wrote: >It's not only CPU factor, I don't trust software RAID. I suspect you don't have a choice. Either the RAID is done in the kernel on your host system or the RAID is done in the the firmware on your RAID card. In either case, it's software. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 09:50:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF8D16A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:50:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D40343D1D; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:50:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [82.41.37.55] ([82.41.37.55]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:51:22 +0100 Message-ID: <42C511EF.70004@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:50:39 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050530 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?windows-1252?Q?=95_=95?= References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 09:51:22.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[705B8100:01C57E22] Cc: JM , Gary Jennejohn , freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:50:42 -0000 On 6/30/05, JM wrote >Page 2 of the second last link has this to say, regarding >compatibility of the X2 chips with existing motherboards: > >http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2397&p=2 >"... >On the desktop, the Athlon 64 X2 series is fully compatible with all >Socket-939 motherboards. All you need is a BIOS update and you're >good to go." > > The A8V Deluxe the original poster asked about, certainly claims on it's website to support X2 and has numerous recent BIOS updates to "prove" it. Not aware if there are any bootstrapping problems (the board is unlikely to come with latest BIOS). The board itself works OK under FreeBSD i386 (ACPI support poor, but doesn't seem to break anything and the serial ports come out backwards; other than that has been good for me the last month) but I don't have an X2. --Alex From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 09:55:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FB216A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:55:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719ED43D1F; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:55:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [82.41.37.55] ([82.41.37.55]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:56:27 +0100 Message-ID: <42C51320.2050704@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:55:44 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050530 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon References: <20050630204448.8DF9443D49@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20050630204448.8DF9443D49@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 09:56:27.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[2616A2E0:01C57E23] Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" , "hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:55:47 -0000 Simon wrote: >Just because there is no monitoring tool available due to lack of support, doesn't >mean the card itself is bad. > You wouldn't be saying that if you had had one of your RAIDed drives fail and had no indication whatsoever that it had done so. IMHO, OS level monitoring of a RAID is vital. >The sad fact is most manufacturers don't receive enough FreeBSD demand to >support it :-( I wish and keep waiting for this to change one day. I would be very >happy then, but until then... > > The sad fact is that most manufacturers are not prepared to release enough information about their boards for a native CLI to be written. Even a source code Linux driver would significantly aid a FreeBSD version, but most manufacturer's prefer to keep their dirty secrets hidden. --Alex From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 10:29:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB34716A41F for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:29:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jkerian@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FFA43D4C for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:29:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jkerian@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so285449wra for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:29:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q9WMSNCqaNNFTuRFegR9MqGQ5nNywvrWvhtoOaocy/HeAe5iFx3DY4Y+iI6m/8fMtaXniprZN6an4BcPv9cmW2mtoGIRIHPubnR120HAHsuvI+aGWnKuszo9DievgKgQvf36bacwHjublNrS0AnnOoy+faZwrBikwvObzoHoON4= Received: by 10.54.158.14 with SMTP id g14mr1355600wre; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.57.63 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <282b2dd90507010329582205fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 05:29:33 -0500 From: Joseph Kerian To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42BEDA12.9080600@ibsd.us> Cc: Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joseph Kerian List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:29:34 -0000 On 6/26/05, Bob Bomar wrote: > I am looking to build a new file server. I have used > Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking > at Highpoint cards for this machine. Anybody have any > opinions on RAID cards? I've had no real trouble with the Highpoint 1540 SATA card. The downloadable drivers work fine under 5.3, but the install/setup is a bit strange. The drivers are on a floppy disk image that you just mount. Included in the tgz file is a pdf file that describes the installation instructions (there is no text file with the equivelent information). --Joe From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 10:59:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B375A16A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:59:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from guy@crossflight.co.uk) Received: from supermarine.crossflight.co.uk (supermarine.crossflight.co.uk [195.172.72.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B3A43D58; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:59:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from guy@crossflight.co.uk) Received: from mailscan0.crossflight.co.uk (mailscan0.crossflight.co.uk [195.172.72.201]) by supermarine.crossflight.co.uk (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j61AxOYt012501; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:59:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from guy@crossflight.co.uk) Received: from [195.172.72.7] (northrop.crossflight.co.uk) by mailscan0.crossflight.co.uk (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.0.4) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:59:24 +0100 Message-ID: <42C5220B.1000203@crossflight.co.uk> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:59:23 +0100 From: Guy Dawson Organization: Crossflight Limited User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> <20050701015457.GC4460@dragon.NUXI.org> In-Reply-To: <20050701015457.GC4460@dragon.NUXI.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63-supermarine_global_rules_20050204a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63-supermarine_global_rules_20050204a (2004-01-11) on supermarine.crossflight.co.uk Cc: JM , =?windows-1252?Q?=95_=95?= Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:59:29 -0000 David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 11:44:02AM +1000, ? ? wrote: > >>Page 2 of the second last link has this to say, regarding >>compatibility of the X2 chips with existing motherboards: >>http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2397&p=2 >>"... >>On the desktop, the Athlon 64 X2 series is fully compatible with all >>Socket-939 motherboards. All you need is a BIOS update and you're >>good to go." >> >>I'd be truly amazed if this was the case for all motherboards, >>although it might be in the spec... > > > It really should be that simple. All the external interfaces and pins > are the same for Athlon64-939 and Athlon64 X2. They have the same > thermal specifications, etc... It's the only way AMD could reasonably do it. To require a different motherboard for X1 (?) and X2 chips would have the mobo makers rioting! Guy -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson I.T. Manager Crossflight Ltd guy@crossflight.co.uk 07973 797819 01753 776104 ********************************************************************** This email contains the views and opinions of a Crossflight Limited employee and at this stage are in no way a direct representation oF Crossflight Limited. 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We strongly recommend that you check this email with your own virus software as Crossflight Limited will not be held responsible for any damage caused by viruses as a result of opening this email. ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 13:53:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05B116A420 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:53:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jiashiun@gmail.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5149543D1D for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:53:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jiashiun@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so263214rna for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 06:53:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BXpu0I15kK4VkjB01/JHgtfQIxEb0zE2dr2flIh8HRRLI8+StTqZTnGqdBUWH2BYBJPbRqnmESjUQ/Bu07iF9U9G93DU8iKEy1brwqwjcmRHKeHnrBWU/jDNwFb6NUl22vh0VwoWuHj2O1vm9tw9B8gI//1lBeWd6s/XZW3TjYY= Received: by 10.38.67.12 with SMTP id p12mr284910rna; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 06:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.12.17 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 06:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1d6d20bc050701065367a01e8b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:53:27 +0800 From: Jia-Shiun Li To: Guy Dawson In-Reply-To: <42C5220B.1000203@crossflight.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> <20050701015457.GC4460@dragon.NUXI.org> <42C5220B.1000203@crossflight.co.uk> Cc: JM , =?WINDOWS-1252?B?lSCV?= , freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jia-Shiun Li List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 13:53:28 -0000 On 7/1/05, Guy Dawson wrote: > David O'Brien wrote: > > It really should be that simple. All the external interfaces and pins > > are the same for Athlon64-939 and Athlon64 X2. They have the same > > thermal specifications, etc... >=20 > It's the only way AMD could reasonably do it. To require a different > motherboard for X1 (?) and X2 chips would have the mobo makers rioting! That's what Intel did. Requiring a new i945/i955-based board for their rushed dual-core CPUs. Only use the same socket but varied pin definition. If you put the new CPU on an i915 board, it will shutdown automatically to 'protect'. In contrast Athlon64 claimed to be designed with dual-core capability in mind from the beginning. Jia-Shiun. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 16:27:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2972D16A41C for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:27:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmartin37@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002FD43D48 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:27:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmartin37@speakeasy.net) Received: (qmail 27855 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2005 16:27:20 -0000 Received: from adsl-211-141-250.asm.bellsouth.net (HELO [192.168.2.101]) (moonlightcheese@[68.211.141.250]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Jul 2005 16:27:20 -0000 Message-ID: <42C56EE5.3010608@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:27:17 -0400 From: JM User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jia-Shiun Li References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> <20050701015457.GC4460@dragon.NUXI.org> <42C5220B.1000203@crossflight.co.uk> <1d6d20bc050701065367a01e8b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1d6d20bc050701065367a01e8b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?=95_=95?= , freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:27:22 -0000 Jia-Shiun Li wrote: >On 7/1/05, Guy Dawson wrote: > > >>David O'Brien wrote: >> >> >>>It really should be that simple. All the external interfaces and pins >>>are the same for Athlon64-939 and Athlon64 X2. They have the same >>>thermal specifications, etc... >>> >>> >>It's the only way AMD could reasonably do it. To require a different >>motherboard for X1 (?) and X2 chips would have the mobo makers rioting! >> >> > >That's what Intel did. Requiring a new i945/i955-based board for their >rushed dual-core CPUs. Only use the same socket but varied pin >definition. If you put the new CPU on an i915 board, it will shutdown >automatically to 'protect'. In contrast Athlon64 claimed to be >designed with dual-core capability in mind from the beginning. > >Jia-Shiun. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > first of all, Intel claims to have had the original idea of dual core which any educated hardware expert knows to be false. AMD touted support for multiple cores months ahead of intel and it's apparent by the hyper transport technology white paper that AMD was planning this route when the Athlon XP was released long ago. Intel only recently scrapped their processor roadmap. rather than attempt to hit the 4GHz mark they re-wrote the roadmap, fabbed up a quick and dirty dual core solution and released it before AMD claiming that the idea was theirs... i hate that company... From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 17:07:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3808C16A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:07:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E86D43D1D; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:07:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DoOzV-000Na6-4d; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:07:49 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20050701091954.GC83739@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <20050630205744.GN33728@ratchet.nebcorp.com> <20050630211444.19C6343D48@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <20050701091954.GC83739@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <07DFC3D6-E165-40F3-83FC-7AB92A1B9EF5@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:07:48 -0600 To: Peter Jeremy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50, GREYLIST_ISWHITE autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Mon May 30 00:43:02 MDT 2005) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Cc: FreeBSD Questions , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:07:51 -0000 On Jul 1, 2005, at 3:19 AM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Thu, 2005-Jun-30 17:18:15 -0400, Simon wrote: > >> It's not only CPU factor, I don't trust software RAID. >> > > I suspect you don't have a choice. Either the RAID is done in the > kernel > on your host system or the RAID is done in the the firmware on your > RAID > card. In either case, it's software. Sure, everything in the end is SW anymore, at least at a controlling level. But it does not involve the OS and can have special HW circuits used to perform certain functions much faster. It reduces the strain on the OS. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad@shire.net From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 17:21:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8625B16A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:21:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3DA43D1F; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:21:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61HLdtQ029263; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:21:39 -0700 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0/Submit) id j61HLdHS029262; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:21:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:21:39 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Jia-Shiun Li Message-ID: <20050701172139.GA25916@odin.ac.hmc.edu> References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> <20050701015457.GC4460@dragon.NUXI.org> <42C5220B.1000203@crossflight.co.uk> <1d6d20bc050701065367a01e8b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1d6d20bc050701065367a01e8b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on odin.ac.hmc.edu Cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:21:49 -0000 --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 09:53:27PM +0800, Jia-Shiun Li wrote: > On 7/1/05, Guy Dawson wrote: > > David O'Brien wrote: > > > It really should be that simple. All the external interfaces and pins > > > are the same for Athlon64-939 and Athlon64 X2. They have the same > > > thermal specifications, etc... > >=20 > > It's the only way AMD could reasonably do it. To require a different > > motherboard for X1 (?) and X2 chips would have the mobo makers rioting! >=20 > That's what Intel did. Requiring a new i945/i955-based board for their > rushed dual-core CPUs. Only use the same socket but varied pin > definition. If you put the new CPU on an i915 board, it will shutdown > automatically to 'protect'. In contrast Athlon64 claimed to be > designed with dual-core capability in mind from the beginning. It is worth noting that some motherboard manufactures did produce boards that don't work with dual core opterons. In particular the Tyan K8SR prior to rev-D doesn't work because they proview a couple too few watts to the CPU sockets. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCxXuiXY6L6fI4GtQRAt/XAKCfJobiSWfzOi9M1Yoe1zjeipn5vACgxUzU eyyZn6nArzjgBh2C6UvHF98= =HTE6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy-- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 18:17:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85E416A41F; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:17:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5EA43D5F; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:17:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.14] (imini.samsco.home [192.168.254.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61IORBi087945; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:24:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <42C587EC.7030203@samsco.org> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:14:04 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050416 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brooks Davis References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> <20050701015457.GC4460@dragon.NUXI.org> <42C5220B.1000203@crossflight.co.uk> <1d6d20bc050701065367a01e8b@mail.gmail.com> <20050701172139.GA25916@odin.ac.hmc.edu> In-Reply-To: <20050701172139.GA25916@odin.ac.hmc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, Jia-Shiun Li , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:17:11 -0000 Brooks Davis wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 09:53:27PM +0800, Jia-Shiun Li wrote: > >>On 7/1/05, Guy Dawson wrote: >> >>>David O'Brien wrote: >>> >>>>It really should be that simple. All the external interfaces and pins >>>>are the same for Athlon64-939 and Athlon64 X2. They have the same >>>>thermal specifications, etc... >>> >>>It's the only way AMD could reasonably do it. To require a different >>>motherboard for X1 (?) and X2 chips would have the mobo makers rioting! >> >>That's what Intel did. Requiring a new i945/i955-based board for their >>rushed dual-core CPUs. Only use the same socket but varied pin >>definition. If you put the new CPU on an i915 board, it will shutdown >>automatically to 'protect'. In contrast Athlon64 claimed to be >>designed with dual-core capability in mind from the beginning. > > > It is worth noting that some motherboard manufactures did produce boards > that don't work with dual core opterons. In particular the Tyan K8SR > prior to rev-D doesn't work because they proview a couple too few watts > to the CPU sockets. > > -- Brooks > The Asus A8V-E series also does not work. Asus claims that it's a limitation of the Via K8T890 chipset, which is highly unfortunate since it's otherwise a good motherboard. Not sure whether to be upset at Asus or Via here, but either way I guess both suck =-) Scott From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 21:20:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCB316A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:20:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B111343D48; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:20:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [82.41.37.55] ([82.41.37.55]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:21:05 +0100 Message-ID: <42C5B396.9000500@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:20:22 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050530 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> <20050701015457.GC4460@dragon.NUXI.org> <42C5220B.1000203@crossflight.co.uk> <1d6d20bc050701065367a01e8b@mail.gmail.com> <20050701172139.GA25916@odin.ac.hmc.edu> <42C587EC.7030203@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <42C587EC.7030203@samsco.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 21:21:05.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA427B50:01C57E82] Cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:20:25 -0000 Scott Long wrote: > The Asus A8V-E series also does not work. Asus claims that it's a > limitation of the Via K8T890 chipset, which is highly unfortunate > since it's otherwise a good motherboard. Not sure whether to be > upset at Asus or Via here, but either way I guess both suck =-) Off topic a bit, but what would be your criteria for judging it a good motherboard? --Alex From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 21:27:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C9716A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:27:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C860243D1F; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:27:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61LYfkP089260; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:34:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <42C5B531.9040202@samsco.org> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:27:13 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050615 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Zbyslaw References: <200506290818.j5T8IELL002348@peedub.jennejohn.org> <42C3F72E.9070902@speakeasy.net> <8f55402905063018441217c95a@mail.gmail.com> <20050701015457.GC4460@dragon.NUXI.org> <42C5220B.1000203@crossflight.co.uk> <1d6d20bc050701065367a01e8b@mail.gmail.com> <20050701172139.GA25916@odin.ac.hmc.edu> <42C587EC.7030203@samsco.org> <42C5B396.9000500@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <42C5B396.9000500@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 X2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:27:27 -0000 Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > Scott Long wrote: > >> The Asus A8V-E series also does not work. Asus claims that it's a >> limitation of the Via K8T890 chipset, which is highly unfortunate >> since it's otherwise a good motherboard. Not sure whether to be >> upset at Asus or Via here, but either way I guess both suck =-) > > > Off topic a bit, but what would be your criteria for judging it a good > motherboard? > > --Alex > 1) Boots FreeBSD 2) Has a COM1 header 3) Has good perihperals (this one even has wifi built in, though there is no driver yet). Scott