From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 10:15:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25E816A41F for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:15:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from uzi@bmby.com) Received: from dev.bmby.co.il (l192-114-46-204.broadband.actcom.net.il [192.114.46.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DB643D46 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:15:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from uzi@bmby.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([192.168.0.2]) by dev.bmby.co.il (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7LAFYPS014015; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:15:34 +0300 Message-ID: <43086205.8060307@bmby.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:14:13 +0200 From: Uzi Klein Organization: B.M.B.Y Software Systems Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:15:26 -0000 Dean Hamstead wrote: > you may need to look at specifically what sort of > queries are taxing the system > lots of queries or long queries Both, but mostly long queries. > this will vary your final decision considerably. > other options you might consider are.... > - breaking up your database across several servers > - separate databases completely (good for mainly write stuff) > - !!! replicate and load share (really good for ro stuff) !!! > - getting in and really checking that indexes are well designed > (indexes can change long taxing queries into childes play) Good points, the database does need optimization, I will to that as well, but its about time for a dedicated server anyway (and it costs way less than normalizing a +-500 related tables db) > im not sure what these servers are like, im a dell man but its > all just hardware. obviously faster cpu, more ram, 15k scsi disks > and if raid 1+0 or 5 is faster may depend on the controller > how many channels etc. the driver and card performance might > even be worth looking into. That what my original question meant to be: What are the minimum/recommended system requirements (*hardware* wise) for a heavy loaded database server. If you're a Dell man, please be kind and point me to a Dell box... > if your really dying for performace, go back to the ports tree > and try compiling for better performance. ie mysql can compile > static for (what it claims) better performance, and there is > one other option that eludes me. im not sure if linuxthreads > is faster than native threads I have done most of the software tweaking. > you may also find mysql5 to be faster than 41 (assuming mysql) You don't really advise me to use beta software for production, do you? Thanks, -Uzi From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 12:09:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E8916A420 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:09:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dean@bong.com.au) Received: from aramaki.bong.com.au (aramaki.bong.com.au [203.91.232.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2044943D48 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:09:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dean@bong.com.au) Received: from dsl-203-33-164-108.nsw.netspace.net.au ([203.33.164.108] helo=[192.168.1.40]) by aramaki.bong.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.52 (FreeBSD)) id 1E6ofo-000Bib-8R; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:11:39 +1000 Message-ID: <43086EA4.1030207@bong.com.au> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:08:04 +1000 From: Dean Hamstead User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050602) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Uzi Klein References: <43086205.8060307@bmby.com> In-Reply-To: <43086205.8060307@bmby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:09:22 -0000 Uzi Klein wrote: > Dean Hamstead wrote: > > you may need to look at specifically what sort of > > queries are taxing the system > > > lots of queries or long queries > > Both, but mostly long queries. long queries are most likely reads then, so you will see huge performance increases by setting up mysql's in built replication and then spreading the queries around. youll need to look that all up but its quite trivial to get going. > Good points, the database does need optimization, I will to that as > well, but its about time for a dedicated server anyway (and it costs > way less than normalizing a +-500 related tables db) hmm lots of tables.... i can see that hardware changes would be a whole lot easier. however, if your tables are all similar it shouldnt be a huge drama. ie we use mod_log_sql so we have 3 tables per hosted site. all the tables are the same format so just apply changes to all tables. as far as optimising indexes goes ill leave it up to your research on dev.mysql.com and others as its all there much better than i can type up at quater to ten sunday night ;) > That what my original question meant to be: > What are the minimum/recommended system requirements (*hardware* wise) > for a heavy loaded database server. If you're a Dell man, please be kind > and point me to a Dell box... what i meant was i dont have specific experience with hp boxes but IMO they are all just intel chips on motherboards etc. if one was outrageously better than the others it would soon take over the market. i would just spend as much money as you can. but i would prefer two servers with dual cpu's over one with 4. run tests on what your queries are doing, if the system is spending huge amounts on time reading tables (which would be a sign of poor indexes IMO) then you would want faster IO. if your disks are well doing short quick transfers and your cpu is doing alot of work, then youll see benefits from greater cpu speeds. i think personally i would get the fastest pair of hyperthreaded cpu's (if you like intel), with some scsi 320 15k disks. if your databases are really enormous look into SAN stuff > I have done most of the software tweaking. there was a mention of alternative threading. > > you may also find mysql5 to be faster than 41 (assuming mysql) > You don't really advise me to use beta software for production, do you? i would trust mysql beta over mssql releases ;) test and see if you find it stable enough. > > Thanks, > -Uzi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- WWW: http://dean.bong.com.au LAN: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL: dean@bong.com.au or djzort@bong.com.au ICQ: 16867613 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 12:23:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7915E16A41F; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:23:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from uzi@bmby.com) Received: from dev.bmby.co.il (l192-114-46-204.broadband.actcom.net.il [192.114.46.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8C243D46; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:23:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from uzi@bmby.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([192.168.0.2]) by dev.bmby.co.il (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7LCNRPS018782; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:23:27 +0300 Message-ID: <43087FFE.9070401@bmby.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:22:06 +0200 From: Uzi Klein Organization: B.M.B.Y Software Systems Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Uzi Klein References: <43086205.8060307@bmby.com> <4308771D.8070502@bmby.co.il> In-Reply-To: <4308771D.8070502@bmby.co.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:23:24 -0000 Stuart Cianos wrote: > Hi Uzi - > > That is a decent configuration for a variety of tasks. What type of > speed issues are you seeing: is it limited to a couple of queries? How > many transactions are you running in a given time period? Have you > optimized the indexes on your tables for your particular tasks and/or > operations? mysql> \s -------------- mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.13, for portbld-freebsd5.4 (i386) using 4.3 Connection id: 16931 Current database: ******* Current user: ******* SSL: Not in use Current pager: more Using outfile: '' Using delimiter: ; Server version: 4.1.12-log Protocol version: 10 Connection: Localhost via UNIX socket Server characterset: latin1 Db characterset: latin1 Client characterset: latin1 Conn. characterset: latin1 UNIX socket: /tmp/mysql.sock Uptime: 3 days 2 hours 30 min 38 sec Threads: 22 Questions: 1070775 Slow queries: 356 Opens: 64745 Flush tables: 1 Open tables: 256 Queries per second avg: 3.992 -------------- > > If you copy your configuration file and post it to the list (make sure > you remove any sensitive info like usernames or passwords, if you store > that type of thing in there) we might be able to help you a bit more. Server is a Proliant DL380 G4 (dual Xeon 3.2, 2 GB ram) www# uname -v FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p6 #4: Mon Aug 1 17:26:05 UTC 2005 mook@server.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WWW www# cat /boot/loader.conf kern.maxdsiz="1073741824" kern.dfldsiz="1073741824" kern.maxssiz="1073741824" from my.cnf : # The MySQL server [mysqld] port = 3306 socket = /tmp/mysql.sock skip-locking key_buffer = 256M max_allowed_packet = 1M table_cache = 256 sort_buffer_size = 1M read_buffer_size = 1M read_rnd_buffer_size = 4M myisam_sort_buffer_size = 64M thread_cache = 8 query_cache_size= 16M # Try number of CPU's*2 for thread_concurrency thread_concurrency = 8 > If you haven't tuned your config file for your particular configuration, > then this can also result in performance not being up to par. Ensure > that your kernel is compiled for SMP capability and that your MySQL is > compiled with optimization ON for maximum throughput. While the > optimization doesn't make a huge difference in the short run, millions > of transactions later a couple of miliseconds here and miliseconds there > add up to real time. Kernel is compiled with SMP support MySQL compiled with: WITH_PROC_SCOPE_PTH=yes BUILD_OPTIMIZED=yes BUILD_STATIC=yes > > RAID 0/1 is ideal, although RAID 5 is very sufficient for most all > purposes in this case. If we were running Oracle or Sybase, then > different RAID configurations suit different storage requirements, i.e. > RAID 5 for the table data storage and RAID 0/1 for the transaction logs. > There reasons for this get fairly technical, but if you are interested > in the reasons behind this you can google the topic. MySQL doesn't have > such demanding performance tuning requirements. That what my original question meant to be: What are the minimum/recommended system requirements (*hardware* wise) for a heavy loaded database server. Thanks, Uzi From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 12:41:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8471616A41F; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:41:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from uzi@bmby.com) Received: from dev.bmby.co.il (l192-114-46-204.broadband.actcom.net.il [192.114.46.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9706043D45; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:41:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from uzi@bmby.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([192.168.0.2]) by dev.bmby.co.il (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7LCfdPS024065; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:41:39 +0300 Message-ID: <43088442.7000704@bmby.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:40:18 +0200 From: Uzi Klein Organization: B.M.B.Y Software Systems Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmc References: <040f01c5a4b9$f5d2dff0$0700a8c0@uzi> <6863f0c905081906061290c642@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6863f0c905081906061290c642@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:41:31 -0000 jmc wrote: > For the best database-write performance on the DL380G4, make sure you > have the Battery-Backed Write Cache (BBWC) option. Never heard of it. I'd take it as a hardware setup in BIOS? (The server is in co-location, i have no physical access to it but i can explain ISP sys-admin what to do if needed) > The more spindles you have, the better. Are you using all 6 drive > bays in the 380? Make sure they're all Ultra320 drives. 15K will > give the best performance, but the 10K drives aren't too shabby. > RAID0 will give the best performance, but it's not redundant. Next is > RAID1, then RAID5 or ADG. I have 5 drives 36 GB Ultra320 15K: 2 mirrored drives mounted as / 3 RAID 5 drives mounted as /var www# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 33G 4.7G 26G 16% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/da1s1d 62G 9.5G 47G 17% /var > You might also try a DL385 (dual socket Opteron) or DL585 (quad socket > Opteron) which will give you either 4 or 8 procs (if they are dual > core). Are you suggesting AMD based boxes outperforms Intel based machines? That's what I'm really interested in... I know it's time for a dedicated fast database server. If i optimized my database and hardware settings, i could gain months, not more. The question is upgrade to what (Assuming my DL380 isn't enough) Thanks, Uzi P.S - Please CC me the replies as I'm not subscribed. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 14:22:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D4C16A41F for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:22:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shane@007Marketing.com) Received: from smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2C243D5D for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:22:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shane@007Marketing.com) Received: from [192.168.8.50] (ppp19-170.static.internode.on.net [150.101.19.170]) by smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7LELtMN069208; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:52:05 +0930 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:51:52 +0930 From: Shane Ambler To: Uzi Klein , FreeBSD Mailing Lists Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43088442.7000704@bmby.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:22:16 -0000 On 21/8/05 11:10 PM, "Uzi Klein" wrote: > > jmc wrote: >> For the best database-write performance on the DL380G4, make sure you >> have the Battery-Backed Write Cache (BBWC) option. > > Never heard of it. I'd take it as a hardware setup in BIOS? > (The server is in co-location, i have no physical access to it but i can > explain ISP sys-admin what to do if needed) This is an option on some raid cards - basically the battery protects the ram cache located on the card so it can complete the writes to disk when power goes out. I know top end 3ware cards have this option amongst others. > Are you suggesting AMD based boxes outperforms Intel based machines? > That's what I'm really interested in... I don't have first hand knowledge but the rumour is the 64 bit cpu's will give better DB performance as the DB size grows. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 19:15:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAFC16A41F for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:15:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcagle@gmail.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6723743D48 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:15:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcagle@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so848166rna for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:15:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N9AVhfn1WFLBCvAWVw7czBGm6a8u7RhrGnM5s9hEfKDWH/aSwRqdkHoS9AY0FU0wOpeFJI/SUcUs02a989mqEySDGekvHMCKrqvJ5ct+UU5yyPUCfB8wdYjhEBqetTB5ISKGt9NZ3BjdJ2WKdc9Yn9FPL1skuYMUcbWeW59XwPg= Received: by 10.38.90.57 with SMTP id n57mr448344rnb; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.90.20 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6863f0c9050821121520d2b076@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:15:36 -0500 From: jmc To: Uzi Klein In-Reply-To: <43088442.7000704@bmby.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <040f01c5a4b9$f5d2dff0$0700a8c0@uzi> <6863f0c905081906061290c642@mail.gmail.com> <43088442.7000704@bmby.com> Cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:15:38 -0000 On 8/21/05, Uzi Klein wrote: >=20 > jmc wrote: > > For the best database-write performance on the DL380G4, make sure you > > have the Battery-Backed Write Cache (BBWC) option. >=20 > Never heard of it. I'd take it as a hardware setup in BIOS? > (The server is in co-location, i have no physical access to it but i can > explain ISP sys-admin what to do if needed) It's an optional hardware module with 128MB of cache that survives power outages (which is key when using it as a write cache). However, if you have the DL380G4 with the SAS P600 controller, it already has 256MB of BBWC built in. > > The more spindles you have, the better. Are you using all 6 drive > > bays in the 380? Make sure they're all Ultra320 drives. 15K will > > give the best performance, but the 10K drives aren't too shabby. > > RAID0 will give the best performance, but it's not redundant. Next is > > RAID1, then RAID5 or ADG. >=20 > I have 5 drives 36 GB Ultra320 15K: >=20 > 2 mirrored drives mounted as / > 3 RAID 5 drives mounted as /var >=20 > www# df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/da0s1a 33G 4.7G 26G 16% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > /dev/da1s1d 62G 9.5G 47G 17% /var >=20 > > You might also try a DL385 (dual socket Opteron) or DL585 (quad socket > > Opteron) which will give you either 4 or 8 procs (if they are dual > > core). >=20 > Are you suggesting AMD based boxes outperforms Intel based machines? > That's what I'm really interested in... I can't really say that. It all depends on the application. If FreeBSD had NUMA support, then the Opteron's architecture would have a big advantage for memory-intensive applications. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 21:12:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EF716A41F for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:12:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bart@jaja.nl.com) Received: from smtp14.wxs.nl (smtp14.wxs.nl [195.121.6.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06F443D49 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:12:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bart@jaja.nl.com) Received: from neenee (ip54509f1a.speed.planet.nl [84.80.159.26]) by smtp14.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with SMTP id <0ILL00JZUC5P9Y@smtp14.wxs.nl> for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:10:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:13:13 +0200 From: bart To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: ide raid on what mobo ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bart@jaja.nl.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:12:05 -0000 Hello everyone, I'm looking for some info about implementating a simple ide raid on a bsd office server. I'm not to sure what i should buy. I'm thinking off an Asus P5GDC Pro mobo but maybe some off you have sugestions. Thanks in advance, JaJa Bart -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18-8-2005 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 19:12:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E680316A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:12:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mv.twc.weather.com (mv.twc.weather.com [65.212.71.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125D143D49 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:12:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.50.40.201] (Not Verified[10.50.40.201]) by mv.twc.weather.com with NetIQ MailMarshal (v6, 0, 3, 8) id ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:27:23 -0400 From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:15:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43066161.2050906@ccstores.com> In-Reply-To: <43066161.2050906@ccstores.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508221415.04332.jhb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Jim Pazarena Subject: Re: comtrol rocketport 16 PCI X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:12:19 -0000 On Friday 19 August 2005 06:46 pm, Jim Pazarena wrote: > the 5.4 kernel appears to support rocketport simply by including > "device rp" in the kernel compile, after which devices like: > > /dev/ttyR[0-9a-f] > /dev/ttyiR[0-9a-f] > /dev/ttylR[0-9a-f] > /dev/cuaR[0-9a-f] > /dev/cuaiR[0-9a-f] > /dev/cualR[0-9a-f] > > get created. The init and locked variants you probably don't need to worry about. They are just like cuai* and cual* for regular cuaa* devices for sio(4). > would someone please advise the purpose of the "iR" & "lR" devices? > > also, comtrol has some kind of support for the 5 kernel on their > ftp site; with a few instructions on how to remove some existing > files, add some of theirs, and re-compile the kernel. > their instructions suggest that ports are: /dev/ttyC* and /dev/cuaC* > > when following _their_ instructions, a fresh kernel compile crashes. > I see someone posted a question WRT the compile crash back in 1/24/05. > there were no responses. > > I would like to confirm that the existing FreeBSD settings for rocketport > support do indeed work, and that it isn't necessary to go thru comtrol's > compilation routine. I use the existing driver just fine on 5, 6, and 7 with an 8-port rp(4) card. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 01:19:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4655D16A41F; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:19:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from decibel@decibel.org) Received: from flake.decibel.org (flake.decibel.org [67.100.216.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E184743D45; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:19:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from decibel@decibel.org) Received: by flake.decibel.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BF30D152AE; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:19:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:19:54 -0500 From: "Jim C. Nasby" To: Uzi Klein Message-ID: <20050823011954.GM17203@decibel.org> References: <040f01c5a4b9$f5d2dff0$0700a8c0@uzi> <6863f0c905081906061290c642@mail.gmail.com> <43088442.7000704@bmby.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43088442.7000704@bmby.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE-p10 i386 X-Distributed: Join the Effort! http://www.distributed.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org, jmc , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:19:58 -0000 On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 03:40:18PM +0200, Uzi Klein wrote: > 2 mirrored drives mounted as / > 3 RAID 5 drives mounted as /var RAID5 pretty much sucks for databases that do anything more than 1-5% writes. > Are you suggesting AMD based boxes outperforms Intel based machines? > That's what I'm really interested in... At least with PostgreSQL they do, by a large margin. > I know it's time for a dedicated fast database server. > If i optimized my database and hardware settings, i could gain months, > not more. > The question is upgrade to what (Assuming my DL380 isn't enough) Keep in mind that a poorly designed app will completely kill you once you try and scale past a certain level. Also, I've heard that PostgreSQL tends to do better on complex queries than MySQL if migrating is an option. Might be worth looking at. Note that the out-of-the-box config for PostgreSQL is appropriate for like a 486, so you'd need to do some tweaking. -- Jim C. Nasby, Database Architect decibel@decibel.org Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828 Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 06:42:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BE316A41F; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:42:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from uzi@bmby.com) Received: from dev.bmby.co.il (l192-114-46-204.broadband.actcom.net.il [192.114.46.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E0943D46; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:42:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from uzi@bmby.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([192.168.0.2]) by dev.bmby.co.il (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7N6gpPS010607; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:42:51 +0300 Message-ID: <430AD329.4090601@bmby.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:41:29 +0200 From: Uzi Klein Organization: B.M.B.Y Software Systems Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jim C. Nasby" References: <040f01c5a4b9$f5d2dff0$0700a8c0@uzi> <6863f0c905081906061290c642@mail.gmail.com> <43088442.7000704@bmby.com> <20050823011954.GM17203@decibel.org> In-Reply-To: <20050823011954.GM17203@decibel.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org, jmc , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:42:49 -0000 Jim C. Nasby wrote: > On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 03:40:18PM +0200, Uzi Klein wrote: > >>2 mirrored drives mounted as / >>3 RAID 5 drives mounted as /var > > > RAID5 pretty much sucks for databases that do anything more than 1-5% > writes. would you suggest RAID 0+1 instead? -Uzi From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 14:41:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6335916A41F; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:41:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from decibel@decibel.org) Received: from flake.decibel.org (flake.decibel.org [67.100.216.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0276F43D45; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:41:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from decibel@decibel.org) Received: by flake.decibel.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 37C471529B; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:41:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:41:30 -0500 From: "Jim C. Nasby" To: Uzi Klein Message-ID: <20050823144129.GE43820@decibel.org> References: <040f01c5a4b9$f5d2dff0$0700a8c0@uzi> <6863f0c905081906061290c642@mail.gmail.com> <43088442.7000704@bmby.com> <20050823011954.GM17203@decibel.org> <430AD329.4090601@bmby.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <430AD329.4090601@bmby.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE-p10 i386 X-Distributed: Join the Effort! http://www.distributed.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org, jmc , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:41:31 -0000 On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 09:41:29AM +0200, Uzi Klein wrote: > Jim C. Nasby wrote: > >On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 03:40:18PM +0200, Uzi Klein wrote: > > > >>2 mirrored drives mounted as / > >>3 RAID 5 drives mounted as /var > > > > > >RAID5 pretty much sucks for databases that do anything more than 1-5% > >writes. > > would you suggest RAID 0+1 instead? I'd suggest whichever one is a stripe of mirrors (you don't want a mirror of 2 stripe sets). -- Jim C. Nasby, Database Architect decibel@decibel.org Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828 Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 14:51:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03E016A41F; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:51:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david@elvis.mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6561B43D46; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:51:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1061) id 46E315C8E9; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:51:59 -0700 From: David Drum To: "Jim C. Nasby" Message-ID: <20050823145159.GB65857@elvis.mu.org> Mail-Followup-To: David Drum , "Jim C. Nasby" , Uzi Klein , freebsd-database@freebsd.org, jmc , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <040f01c5a4b9$f5d2dff0$0700a8c0@uzi> <6863f0c905081906061290c642@mail.gmail.com> <43088442.7000704@bmby.com> <20050823011954.GM17203@decibel.org> <430AD329.4090601@bmby.com> <20050823144129.GE43820@decibel.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050823144129.GE43820@decibel.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org, Uzi Klein , jmc , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:51:59 -0000 Quoth Jim C. Nasby: > I'd suggest whichever one is a stripe of mirrors (you don't want a > mirror of 2 stripe sets). RAID 1+0 (also incorrectly referred to as "10") is a stripe of mirrors. RAID 0+1 is a mirror of stripes. Jim is right; the difference is subtle yet important when one or more disks fail. Regards, David Drum david@mu.org -- "Penultimate." Ooh! Second-best word ever!--Frazz From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 18:09:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94B616A41F; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:09:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A3F43D48; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:09:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [82.41.37.55] ([82.41.37.55]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:09:48 +0100 Message-ID: <430B663C.2040705@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:09:00 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050530 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-database@freebsd.org References: <040f01c5a4b9$f5d2dff0$0700a8c0@uzi> <6863f0c905081906061290c642@mail.gmail.com> <43088442.7000704@bmby.com> <20050823011954.GM17203@decibel.org> <430AD329.4090601@bmby.com> <20050823144129.GE43820@decibel.org> <20050823145159.GB65857@elvis.mu.org> In-Reply-To: <20050823145159.GB65857@elvis.mu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2005 18:09:48.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[D92E0440:01C5A80D] Cc: jmc , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware solution for a database server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:09:03 -0000 David Drum wrote: >Quoth Jim C. Nasby: > > > >>I'd suggest whichever one is a stripe of mirrors (you don't want a >>mirror of 2 stripe sets). >> >> > >RAID 1+0 (also incorrectly referred to as "10") is a stripe of mirrors. >RAID 0+1 is a mirror of stripes. >Jim is right; the difference is subtle yet important when one or more disks fail. > > This site has a good explanation: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/raid/levels/ Presumably something like RAID 50 would be an improvement too. --Alex From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 17:14:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995E516A41F for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:14:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@abv.bg) Received: from ns2.netinfo.bg (ns.netinfo.bg [194.153.145.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2415C43D46 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:14:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@abv.bg) Received: from webmail.gyuvetch.bg (app3.ni.bg [192.168.151.11]) by ns2.netinfo.bg (Postfix) with SMTP id B686B6B0D8 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:13:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: (qmail 30204 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 17:14:09 -0000 Received: from app3.ni.bg (192.168.151.11) by webmail.gyuvetch.bg with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 17:14:09 -0000 Message-ID: <1374114279.154631124990049210.JavaMail.nobody@app3.ni.bg> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:14:09 +0300 (EEST) From: Mario Pavlov To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AbvMail 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 213.240.229.54 Subject: SATA and atapicam X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:14:13 -0000 Hi :) I have problem with my SATA hard disc... so... first my hardware is: motherboard: http://uk.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=12&l3=31&model=179&modelmenu=1 as you can see the chipset is Intel 865PE and the SATA controler is ICH5R hard disc: MAXTOR 6L200MO 200GB DVD-REWRITER: http://www.lge.com/catalog/prodmodeldetail?actType=search&page=1&modelCategoryId=CTG1000658&categoryId=CTG1000500&parentId=CTG1000439&modelPrefix=400000&globalCode=GSA-4082B&globalSuffix=000000&model=NOTHING so... I've installed FreeBSD 5.4 successful and everything was fine but when I decided to install k3b and burn CDs and DVDs I realized that k3b doesn't detect my DVD drive I asked in bsdforums.net and they told me that I need to compile atapicam in the kernel so I did it and when rebooted in the fresh-compiled kernel I experienced this: ... ... ipfw2 initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to deny, logging unlimited acd0: DVDR at ata2-master UDMA33 ad8: 194481MB [395136/16/63] at ata4-master SATA150 Interrupt storm detected on "irq18: uhci2++"; throttling interrupt source and all freezes I can only scroll the console this is in the kernel config device scbus device da device cd device pass device atapicam I've tried without device da, but still the same I've tried also to remove UHCI and EHCI and the resoult was: Interrupt storm detected on "irq18: atapci0+"; throttling interrupt source instead of: Interrupt storm detected on "irq18: uhci2++"; throttling interrupt source is there any way to fix this ? And use my hard disc and DVD rewriter normal ? thank you! :) From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 19:01:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC51416A41F for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:01:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olivier@gautherot.net) Received: from postfix4-2.free.fr (postfix4-2.free.fr [213.228.0.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1BA43D45 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:01:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olivier@gautherot.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (mas91-1-82-238-221-116.fbx.proxad.net [82.238.221.116]) by postfix4-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113F831D71A for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:01:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Olivier Gautherot To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:01:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508252101.52515.olivier@gautherot.net> Cc: Subject: VIA EPIA board with on-board graphics X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: olivier@gautherot.net List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:01:59 -0000 Hi folks! I've just set up a new system with a VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard. In essence, it is working just fine... apart from some occasional reboots. The first time it happened, I was running xosview (which was using about 256MB of system memory!) as well as other apps in parallel. It happened yesterday and today again while ripping some CD's. For info, the system is fitted with 512MB, included 32MB of shared memory for graphics. It is not the first time I experience system reboots on PC's with shared memory for graphics: my other machine had the same unstability until I plugged an NVidia graphics card and disabled the on-board chipset. I would like to avoid doing the same here as I would like to keep power low (I use it mainly for emails and word processing, not 3D games). Any advice on stabilizing a system with shared memory? BTW, I'm running 5.4-RELEASE with a few tweaks in the kernel but did not find a fix for this yet. -- Olivier Gautherot olivier@gautherot.net From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 14:48:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D3316A425 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:48:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sjmorgan@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701F543D45 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:48:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sjmorgan@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so324111wri for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:48:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=na5SxS7r+Nq3xO+Xm6+7JOFYDQ+66eeh1r1jC8D0qtOTegRyWAza1eZwp/Ap8hmuxkNsqXs2YMD/vI2HXxkUCw4H7g0oNXh7h5zqdp7I6SfshCPE8ZSP4jzaQor3YpvZBCVnEaVILL70IVnNKM1L/cg+5DqzBVz8tBmS4Fv644E= Received: by 10.54.82.19 with SMTP id f19mr4546932wrb; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.62.8 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:48:17 +0100 From: Simon Morgan To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: Subject: Re: BSD PPPoA Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:48:19 -0000 On 8/15/05, Simon Morgan wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions? Any advice is welcome. To anyone who might be reading this in the future (Hi! Do you have robots and flying cars yet?), I've given up looking for a native solution. The state of ADSL hardware support under BSD as well as Linux is shockingly bad and simply isn't worth bothering with. The Sangoma S518 looked pretty promising but last I checked there still weren't any available to purchase in the UK and the shipment from their manufacturer keeps on getting delayed. I can only hope their engineers are more competent. I bought a Sagem F@st 800 to use with the ueagle driver and have had nothing but trouble with it in the 4 days I've been using it. It seems to work fine under Windows so I can only assume the driver is to blame. So that leaves cheap and nasty combination modem and routers or Cisco hardware. I've ordered a Cisco SOHO 97. Thanks to everyone who replied. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 15:07:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36A016A41F for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:07:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arne_woerner@yahoo.com) Received: from web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35F5643D48 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:07:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arne_woerner@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57384 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2005 15:07:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZKwQcOK/g2CYq+9PtoPXU5/igPG2NF04sXsJBMsxwNyisnNVJc9sq4XKbSRF6it2QNT4eJPTn5zWQvkU0fq/D0caG45lVQL/7n11uDoaPl+EBr0xr7HtfFWvBGE2ykS4C/LnaggzT0C8NSBZLT/1qNV42HKI7dhFaIlyfqjKI58= ; Message-ID: <20050827150745.57382.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.54.85.202] by web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:07:45 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Arne "Wörner" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Softmodem / Longshine LCS-8056M / supported? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:07:46 -0000 Hiho! I bought a PCI modem, because I was happy, that I can save the AC adapter... Now I found out, that this modem (Longshine LCS_8056M / http://www.longshine.de/) is a soft modem. As far as I understand the modem is more a sound card than a modem... *sob* Can somebody tell me what I should do to use it with FBSD? Thanks. Bye Arne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com