From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 5 00:53:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5825C16A41F for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:53:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@hausro.de) Received: from mail3.netbeat.de (mail3.netbeat.de [193.254.185.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D79343D45 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:53:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@hausro.de) Received: (qmail 4033 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2005 00:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maximus) (85.186.64.88) by mail3.netbeat.de with SMTP; 5 Sep 2005 00:53:38 -0000 Message-ID: <02e501c5b1b4$5ed42c00$b47ba8c0@maximus> From: "ANdrei" To: "Manuel Rabade Garcia" References: <000101c5ac82$66f25290$b47ba8c0@maximus><20050829171305.GA70155@neptune.atopia.net><001e01c5ace5$f62c16e0$b47ba8c0@maximus><20050829222948.25b3993e@laptop.rabade.net><015101c5af37$4456d2d0$b47ba8c0@maximus> <20050901225534.3b513982@laptop.rabade.net> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 03:54:26 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: building an older server X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 00:53:45 -0000 tks for your reply again. > Both processors have a very small amount of cache. Maybe the Duron can > be faster than your pair of Celerons, but the only way to know it is > benchmarking both systems with the applications that you want to run. maybe this is getting a bit offtopic, but what are the best benchmarks you would suggest? I'm looking for a disk benchmark, also. There is oe in the ports, that I found (sorry, forgot the name) and used, but it got me some weird results, with big differences at different runs... anything good to test on FreeBSD? I also have the option of using a Socket423 Intel P4 1.4GHz on a Asus board with 2x128MB RIMM... but this is all memory I can get on this board, I guess though the proc is far faster than the duron or the 2 celeron's, because of the RAM it'll run in all slower, right? On the other boards I get 768MB SDRAM... I'm asking mainly theoretical things here, as I won't be using the server in full load at the beginning, so I can't really test what the limits are, but it'll have peaks when doing some tasks from time to time, and that's why I want to check on what you think the best (fastest and most stable) option is. I decided to go for FreeBSD 6.x anyway, because of WPA-PSK... > I am not saying that your pair of Celerons are crap or something like > that, I just want to remark that the performance boast with a SMP > system isn't linear, spreading jobs across processors is also a job, > and can be very intensive :) yep, that's what I wanted to know, too, and what I thought about, too... ANdrei From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 5 17:39:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74C316A420 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:39:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jason.harmening@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BF943D48 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:39:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jason.harmening@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so740543wri for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:from; b=E4TFZDYVsu9TDr6hnRFNU7CvoQmHIdqk/ooZjIkxkOi5uWSq1HljVmN3IGoTAARphVLCNI0pYPuCkY+X6elWrGFUtuwIrYDIJWXc6ZCI7g8EWakL5YYQy9Smwt/FuH2JEnVfftevpZ5Tn1fI8dTOcD3vJVrQv2zmyfnBnPkZGSo= Received: by 10.54.7.31 with SMTP id 31mr3847929wrg; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? ( [70.112.17.171]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d8sm70949wra.2005.09.05.10.39.03; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:41:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509051241.05303.Jason.Harmening@gmail.com> From: Jason Harmening Cc: Subject: atapicam + MO drive weirdness in 6.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:39:04 -0000 On my amd64 desktop, I have a Fujitsu DynaMO 2.3G ATAPI MO drive, and I've always had to use atapicam with it because there's no native ATA driver. The drive is genuinely capable of UDMA33, and I have hw.ata.atapi_dma turned on. In the past (with 5.x) the SCSI device listing that comes from atapicam at boot time has always shown the full transfer rate, as follows: da0 at ata0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Optical SCSI-4 device da0: 33.000MB/s transfers But since I upgraded to 6.0-BETA a month and a half ago, it doesn't look as if DMA is being enabled: da0 at ata0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Optical SCSI-4 device da0: 3.300MB/s transfers My UDMA33 CD burner still shows 33 MB/s in its atapicam SCSI listing, so I know UDMA transfers aren't completely broken with atapicam. And I can't seem to use atacontrol to manually change the transfer mode, because atacontrol has changed and requires an actual ata device file, as opposed to the old "atacontrol " syntax. I can still use the MO drive, but I'd like to be able to tap into its full transfer rate. I'm running the latest BETA4 now, and the problem is still present. It's not a showstopper for me by any means, but both this problem and the removal of the old manual atacontrol syntax seem to be unfortunate regressions in the new ATA subsystem. Any help or further explanation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jason Harmening From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 6 17:25:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D9C16A41F for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:25:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listas@informatica.info) Received: from ceres.informatica.info (host122-231-149-62.serverdedicati.aruba.it [62.149.231.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D46043D46 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:25:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listas@informatica.info) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (6.Red-83-46-32.pooles.rima-tde.net [83.46.32.6]) (authenticated bits=0) by ceres.informatica.info (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j86HOvkG011080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:25:01 +0200 Message-ID: <431DD0EC.9000603@informatica.info> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:25:00 +0200 From: listas@informatica.info User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: es-es, en, ca MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Support for Win627EHF X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:25:07 -0000 I own a P5GD1 ASUS motherboard, and the FreeBSD installer does not recognize the Gigabit LAN adaptor provided by the Win627EHF I/O chipset. Any chance of having it supported in the future, or should I get a supported LAN card? Carlos From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 6 18:47:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F53516A41F for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:47:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arne_woerner@yahoo.com) Received: from web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9644C43D46 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:47:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arne_woerner@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19207 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2005 18:47:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZSYMyPwdMEchyraHzUXi+PGSpIOPhio+JOnZ3lAma7/1nTyhpschK/pRXUMxeBk5qNF2SQewGeno/GJxX/4thNWUtTf8eayF84r+kZRjNbE5LApC6YM6zg1jYbFZ9yFvKxxG7bwXGDqyXZOJvIPDFnfslGHpqvNgjepQFCUTUV8= ; Message-ID: <20050906184747.19205.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.54.64.205] by web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:47:47 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Arne "Wörner" To: listas@informatica.info, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <431DD0EC.9000603@informatica.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Support for Win627EHF X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:47:52 -0000 Hi! --- listas@informatica.info wrote: > Any chance of having it supported in the future, or should I get > a supported LAN card? > Maybe the article "Project Evil: Windows network drivers on FreeBSD" by Ping Wales, David Chisnall (see link on http://www.freebsd.org/news/press.html) helps? Bye Arne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 6 18:55:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C51816A41F for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:55:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listas@informatica.info) Received: from ceres.informatica.info (host122-231-149-62.serverdedicati.aruba.it [62.149.231.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A5A43D46 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:55:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listas@informatica.info) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (6.Red-83-46-32.pooles.rima-tde.net [83.46.32.6]) (authenticated bits=0) by ceres.informatica.info (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j86ItCkG011344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:55:19 +0200 Message-ID: <431DE612.5030309@informatica.info> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:55:14 +0200 From: listas@informatica.info User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: es-es, en, ca MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Arne_=5C=22W=F6rner=5C=22=22?= References: <20050906184747.19205.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050906184747.19205.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Support for Win627EHF X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:55:25 -0000 Thanks for the response. It would help if it was the only problem I have with the FreeBSD support for this motherboard: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2005-September/055286.html Regards, Carlos Arne Wörner wrote: > Hi! > > --- listas@informatica.info wrote: > >>Any chance of having it supported in the future, or should I get >>a supported LAN card? >> > > Maybe the article > "Project Evil: Windows network drivers on FreeBSD" > by > Ping Wales, David Chisnall > (see link on http://www.freebsd.org/news/press.html) > helps? > > Bye > Arne From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 9 04:43:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487FC16A41F for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 04:43:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from callipygous@internode.on.net) Received: from sv3.per.eftel.com (sv3.per.eftel.com [203.24.100.148]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2AE43D45 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 04:43:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from callipygous@internode.on.net) Received: from burrito.tittyfuck.org (unknown [203.129.144.35]) by sv3.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DD7BA13D51 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:43:54 +0800 (WST) Received: by burrito.tittyfuck.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:43:56 +1000 From: "Mr Green" Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:43:55 +1000 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050909044355.GA26578@burrito.tittyfuck.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: keymaps X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 04:43:59 -0000 Hi, I was curious as to why, when there is a PPC port of FreeBSD, that there is no keymap for macintosh keyboards, atleast not that I have found. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 9 05:04:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0C416A41F for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:04:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dean@bong.com.au) Received: from aramaki.bong.com.au (aramaki.bong.com.au [203.91.232.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F4343D64 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:03:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dean@bong.com.au) Received: from paynet-gw.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au ([203.91.245.98] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by aramaki.bong.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.52 (FreeBSD)) id 1EDb8F-0000Jp-Op; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:08:59 +1000 Message-ID: <432117BD.9010900@bong.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:03:57 +1000 From: Dean Hamstead User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mr Green References: <20050909044355.GA26578@burrito.tittyfuck.org> In-Reply-To: <20050909044355.GA26578@burrito.tittyfuck.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: keymaps X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 05:04:01 -0000 actually, the port to ppc is irrelavant mac keyboards are usb so should have a keymap as they will plug into any usb port. even windows picks them up and maps apple to start etc (although it could be the same keycode) macosx maps windows keyboards to mac settings. so im curious about mac keyboard maps as im quite partial to them and have one to use on my new system (whenever i get money to get it) Dean Mr Green wrote: > Hi, > > I was curious as to why, when there is a PPC port of FreeBSD, that there > is no keymap for macintosh keyboards, atleast not that I have found. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 9 08:50:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A5C16A41F for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:50:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lyubich-freebsd1@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2585E43D49 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:50:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lyubich-freebsd1@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Sep 2005 08:50:47 -0000 Received: from p548B95A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO localhost.localdomain) [84.139.149.164] by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 09 Sep 2005 10:50:47 +0200 X-Authenticated: #29128836 From: "Lyubich, M" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:49:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1126255789.2671.6.camel@sbec.Suzlon-HRO.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Kinesis keyboard X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lyubich-freebsd1@gmx.net List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:50:49 -0000 Hello, Did somebody use Kinesis ergonomic keyboards with freebsd? http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm If so, what are the experiences? Regards, ML From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 9 09:12:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10C816A440 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:12:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from callipygous@internode.on.net) Received: from sv8.prth.eftel.com (sv8.prth.eftel.com [203.24.100.153]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4560443D46 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:12:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from callipygous@internode.on.net) Received: from burrito.tittyfuck.org (unknown [203.129.146.149]) by sv8.prth.eftel.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C202CBC63C for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:12:03 +0800 (WST) Received: by burrito.tittyfuck.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:12:02 +1000 From: "Mr Green" Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:12:02 +1000 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050909091201.GA599@burrito.tittyfuck.org> References: <20050909044355.GA26578@burrito.tittyfuck.org> <432117BD.9010900@bong.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <432117BD.9010900@bong.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: keymaps X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:12:08 -0000 The keyboard does work, but it does not work properly, F13 - F16 is not mapped to anything... this is sually where scroll lock is, but it doesn't work as that either. The volume buttons etc. don't map to anything either.. On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 03:03:57PM +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote: > actually, the port to ppc is irrelavant > > mac keyboards are usb so should have a keymap as they will plug > into any usb port. even windows picks them up and maps apple > to start etc (although it could be the same keycode) > > macosx maps windows keyboards to mac settings. > > so im curious about mac keyboard maps as im quite partial to > them and have one to use on my new system (whenever i get > money to get it) > > Dean > > Mr Green wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I was curious as to why, when there is a PPC port of FreeBSD, that there > >is no keymap for macintosh keyboards, atleast not that I have found. > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 9 13:46:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CEB16A41F for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:46:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bvowk@math.ualberta.ca) Received: from 3jane.math.ualberta.ca (3jane.math.ualberta.ca [129.128.206.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F87D43D48 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:46:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bvowk@math.ualberta.ca) Received: from 3jane.math.ualberta.ca (localhost.math.ualberta.ca [127.0.0.1]) by 3jane.math.ualberta.ca (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j89DkOc3085708; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bvowk@math.ualberta.ca) Received: from localhost (bvowk@localhost) by 3jane.math.ualberta.ca (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j89DkOsU085705; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bvowk@math.ualberta.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: 3jane.math.ualberta.ca: bvowk owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:46:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Barkley Vowk To: "Lyubich, M" In-Reply-To: <1126255789.2671.6.camel@sbec.Suzlon-HRO.local> Message-ID: <20050909074448.A83987@3jane.math.ualberta.ca> References: <1126255789.2671.6.camel@sbec.Suzlon-HRO.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kinesis keyboard X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:46:25 -0000 They're great. Shop around if you're going to buy one, the price can vary wildly. The usb versions would quite well with Free. On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Lyubich, M wrote: > Hello, > > Did somebody use Kinesis ergonomic keyboards with freebsd? > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm > > If so, what are the experiences? From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 10 00:23:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EC616A41F for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:23:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from strick@covad.net) Received: from mail844.megamailservers.com (mail844.carrierinternetsolutions.com [69.49.106.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512A743D46 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:23:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from strick@covad.net) X-POP-User: strick.covad.net Received: from mist.nodomain (h-67-103-34-118.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net [67.103.34.118]) by mail844.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8A0NXsl015473 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:23:34 -0400 Received: from mist.nodomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mist.nodomain (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8A0NWvB001005 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mist.nodomain) Received: (from dan@localhost) by mist.nodomain (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8A0NWtT001004 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Strick Message-Id: <200509100023.j8A0NWtT001004@mist.nodomain> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 4D+ Mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:23:36 -0000 Fearing that 3-button mice might soon become extinct, I just bought a bunch of cheap ones for my inventory. They were advertised as "LOGITECH" but are labeled "Labtec". During the bootstrap configuration monologue, the psm driver reports "psm0: model 4D+ Mouse, device ID 8". I tried two of these mice with FreeBSD 5.4 and neither worked with moused. The console went crazy when I moved the mouse. Moused worked a little better if I specified the "ps/2" protocol instead of "auto", but it still jerked the cursor around a bit anyway. I discovered that if I booted the system with a working ps/2 mouse attached and then connected the Labtec mouse in place of the working mouse, then the Labtec mouse worked just fine even with the "auto" protocol. I added this line: hint.psm.0.flags="0x200" to /boot/device.hints. This is the NOIDPROBE bit. It apparently tells the psm driver to ignore whatever the mouse says about itself and assume it is a generic ps/2 mouse. The psm driver now reports: psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 during bootstrap and the Labtec mice seem to work ok. I looked in the psm driver. It seems to think it knows something special about A4 Tech 4D+ mice. I didn't study the details or even verify that this is what it thinks my Labtec mice are. Can someone shed some light on this problem? Is choosing an off-brand ps/2 mouse something of a crapshoot? I never had such a problem before. (P.S. This problem may be specific to FreeBSD. RH FC4 Linux has no problem with the mouse. I bet that MS windows doesn't either. Does this count as a bug in the FreeBSD 5.4 psm driver or is it just a fact of life?) Dan Strick From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 10 03:33:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2447716A41F for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:33:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from callipygous@internode.on.net) Received: from sv4.per.eftel.com (sv4.per.eftel.com [203.24.100.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C7E43D53 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:33:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from callipygous@internode.on.net) Received: from burrito.tittyfuck.org (unknown [203.129.157.14]) by sv4.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 08037BDE04 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:33:40 +0800 (WST) Received: by burrito.tittyfuck.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:33:37 +1000 From: "Mr Green" Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:33:37 +1000 To: hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050910033337.GA1251@burrito.tittyfuck.org> References: <200509100023.j8A0NWtT001004@mist.nodomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200509100023.j8A0NWtT001004@mist.nodomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Subject: Re: 4D+ Mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:33:45 -0000 I also had a similar problem with a USB MS Wireless Optical mouse. I could not get it to work, and have also talked to people who have had the same mouse and not been able to get it to work. It is detected by the system, but regardless of the driver chosen, nothing happens. Likewise it works on other operating systems. On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 05:23:32PM -0700, Dan Strick wrote: > Fearing that 3-button mice might soon become extinct, I just bought a > bunch of cheap ones for my inventory. They were advertised as "LOGITECH" > but are labeled "Labtec". During the bootstrap configuration monologue, > the psm driver reports "psm0: model 4D+ Mouse, device ID 8". > > I tried two of these mice with FreeBSD 5.4 and neither worked with moused. > The console went crazy when I moved the mouse. Moused worked a little > better if I specified the "ps/2" protocol instead of "auto", but it still > jerked the cursor around a bit anyway. I discovered that if I booted the > system with a working ps/2 mouse attached and then connected the Labtec > mouse in place of the working mouse, then the Labtec mouse worked just > fine even with the "auto" protocol. > > I added this line: > hint.psm.0.flags="0x200" > to /boot/device.hints. This is the NOIDPROBE bit. It apparently tells > the psm driver to ignore whatever the mouse says about itself and assume > it is a generic ps/2 mouse. The psm driver now reports: > psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 > during bootstrap and the Labtec mice seem to work ok. > > I looked in the psm driver. It seems to think it knows something special > about A4 Tech 4D+ mice. I didn't study the details or even verify that > this is what it thinks my Labtec mice are. > > Can someone shed some light on this problem? Is choosing an off-brand > ps/2 mouse something of a crapshoot? I never had such a problem before. > > (P.S. This problem may be specific to FreeBSD. RH FC4 Linux has no > problem with the mouse. I bet that MS windows doesn't either. Does this > count as a bug in the FreeBSD 5.4 psm driver or is it just a fact of life?) > > Dan Strick > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"