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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 19 19:46:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9777F16A41F for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:46:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from speedfactory.net (mail6.speedfactory.net [66.23.216.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F388843D49 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:46:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (unverified [66.23.211.162]) by speedfactory.net (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 4153088 for multiple; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:44:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBJJkIug068559; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:46:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: Joe Rhett Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:25:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20051117050336.GB67653@svcolo.com> <200512161125.19927.jhb@freebsd.org> <20051217215133.GA92180@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051217215133.GA92180@svcolo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512191425.10855.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1213/Mon Dec 19 09:48:34 2005 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1653887525 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: com1 incorrectly associated with ttyd1, com2 with ttyd0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:46:30 -0000 On Saturday 17 December 2005 04:51 pm, Joe Rhett wrote: > > On Friday 16 December 2005 01:36 am, Joe Rhett wrote: > > > Well, this is where what the BIOS "says" and what the user is led to > > > expect, are different that what you are arguing for. And on top of > > > that, every major OS except for FreeBSD does the right thing (acts like > > > it isn't there) > > > > > > Isn't it fairly obvious that no resources setup for a peripheral means > > > "disabled in BIOS" and it would be best to ignore that resource? > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 11:25:19AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > No. You would understand that if you had actually read my earlier > > e-mails. > > I did, but out of order of this reply. Sorry. > > > If you set PnP OS to yes, then the BIOS is free to not enable any devices > > not needed for booting. Thus, even if you didn't have COM1 disabled if > > it didn't need COM1 to boot and you had PnP OS set to yes, it could not > > assign any resources to COM1 and require the OS to set the resources. > > There isn't any way for the OS to know if you disabled the device, or if > > you used PnP OS and the BIOS didn't configure that device _even_ _though_ > > _it_ _is_ _enabled_ _in_ _the_ _BIOS_ _setup_ because it didn't feel like > > it. > > Are you saying that changing PNP to "No" would make it easier for FreeBSD? > Are there any disadvantages to this? FreeBSD doesn't support having PnP OS set to Yes actually, it still requires No. We've been getting closer to working with it set to Yes, but I don't think we are all the way there. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 06:30:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB27416A422 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:30:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aural@brett.net) Received: from ti121210a081-11257.bb.online.no (ti121210a081-11257.bb.online.no [83.108.43.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7830143D8B for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:30:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aural@brett.net) Received: from unknown (HELO haughtily) (192.168.77.62) by ti121210a081-11257.bb.online.no with SMTP; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:32:10 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1523393538.6695645626@ti121210a081-11257.bb.online.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Madeleine Hinkle Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:30:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Make your life full of grand impressions! 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From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 13:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4296816A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:01:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1217843D55 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:01:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C210620AA; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:01:40 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -3.3/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC99E20A8; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:01:40 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5694733C3E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:01:40 +0100 (CET) To: Bob Willcox References: <43A13E1B.9060106@gatorhole.se> <20051215195746.GA39959@rancor.immure.com> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:01:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20051215195746.GA39959@rancor.immure.com> (Bob Willcox's message of "Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:57:46 -0600") Message-ID: <86irtj6hxn.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Ragnar Lonn , Alexandre DELAY , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:01:47 -0000 Bob Willcox writes: > Well, there's the rub. It will take a lot of price halvings for flash > drives to even get close. > > If you take ZipZoomFly as a typical online retailer, they are selling > 400GB IDE drives for $251 and 4GB flash drives for $236. That works > out to $0.63/GB for the hard disk and $59/GB for the flash drive. This > represents a ratio of almost 94:1. log2(94) < 7 DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 13:07:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D5816A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:07:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B9B43D58 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:07:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBKD74ar012333 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:07:05 -0500 X-ORBL: [66.136.206.1] Received: from maul.immure.com (adsl-66-136-206-1.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [66.136.206.1]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKD6vZX258394; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:06:57 -0500 Received: from rancor.immure.com (rancor.immure.com [10.1.132.9]) by maul.immure.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKD6rR1002201; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:06:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost.immure.com [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKD6rpY016662; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:06:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id jBKD6rB0016661; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:06:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:06:53 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav Message-ID: <20051220130653.GA16559@rancor.immure.com> References: <43A13E1B.9060106@gatorhole.se> <20051215195746.GA39959@rancor.immure.com> <86irtj6hxn.fsf@xps.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86irtj6hxn.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-immure-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-immure-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: bob@immure.com Cc: Ragnar Lonn , Alexandre DELAY , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bob Willcox List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:07:07 -0000 On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:01:40PM +0100, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > Bob Willcox writes: > > Well, there's the rub. It will take a lot of price halvings for flash > > drives to even get close. > > > > If you take ZipZoomFly as a typical online retailer, they are selling > > 400GB IDE drives for $251 and 4GB flash drives for $236. That works > > out to $0.63/GB for the hard disk and $59/GB for the flash drive. This > > represents a ratio of almost 94:1. > > log2(94) < 7 Hmm, not sure what you're getting at...? -- Bob Willcox Men freely believe that what they wish to desire. bob@immure.com -- Julius Caesar Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 13:12:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D14916A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:12:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F320343D6D for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:12:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE4620A9; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:12:35 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -3.3/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDFE20A8; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:12:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 385B233C3E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:12:35 +0100 (CET) To: Bob Willcox References: <43A13E1B.9060106@gatorhole.se> <20051215195746.GA39959@rancor.immure.com> <86irtj6hxn.fsf@xps.des.no> <20051220130653.GA16559@rancor.immure.com> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:12:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20051220130653.GA16559@rancor.immure.com> (Bob Willcox's message of "Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:06:53 -0600") Message-ID: <86ek476hfg.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Ragnar Lonn , Alexandre DELAY , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:12:44 -0000 Bob Willcox writes: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:01:40PM +0100, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > log2(94) < 7 > Hmm, not sure what you're getting at...? Elementary arithmetics. If flash prices are currently 94 times higher than hdd prices and they halve every year, it will take them less than seven years to reach today's hdd prices. Shortly after that, McDonald's will start giving away terabyte flash drives in happy meals... DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 13:24:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D3716A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:24:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ragnar@gatorhole.se) Received: from mail.packetfront.com (mail.packetfront.com [212.247.6.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AD443D67 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:24:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ragnar@gatorhole.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.packetfront.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25FAA402F; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:24:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.packetfront.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06232-01; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:24:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.159] (unknown [192.168.1.159]) by mail.packetfront.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE734A4022; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:24:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43A805FA.4020508@gatorhole.se> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:24:10 +0100 From: Ragnar Lonn Organization: Packetfront User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <43A13E1B.9060106@gatorhole.se> <20051215195746.GA39959@rancor.immure.com> <86irtj6hxn.fsf@xps.des.no> <20051220130653.GA16559@rancor.immure.com> <86ek476hfg.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86ek476hfg.fsf@xps.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at packetfront.com Cc: Alexandre DELAY , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:24:45 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >Bob Willcox writes: > > >>On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:01:40PM +0100, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: >> >> >>>log2(94) < 7 >>> >>> >>Hmm, not sure what you're getting at...? >> >> > >Elementary arithmetics. If flash prices are currently 94 times higher >than hdd prices and they halve every year, it will take them less than >seven years to reach today's hdd prices. > > And you feel confident that HDD prices will stay fixed the next 7 years then? Elementary or advanced arithmetics, it doesn't matter if you don't think first ;) I don't know the exact rate that HDD prices drop but I'd suspect it's close to 50% per year. /Ragnar From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 13:33:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB0416A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:33:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD5F43D45 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:33:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.65]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBKDX5ar030243 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:33:06 -0500 X-ORBL: [66.136.206.1] Received: from maul.immure.com (adsl-66-136-206-1.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [66.136.206.1]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKDX5Sk110898; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:33:05 -0500 Received: from rancor.immure.com (rancor.immure.com [10.1.132.9]) by maul.immure.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKDX038002531; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:33:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost.immure.com [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBKDX0n2016806; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:33:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id jBKDX0Fo016792; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:33:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:33:00 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav Message-ID: <20051220133300.GB16559@rancor.immure.com> References: <43A13E1B.9060106@gatorhole.se> <20051215195746.GA39959@rancor.immure.com> <86irtj6hxn.fsf@xps.des.no> <20051220130653.GA16559@rancor.immure.com> <86ek476hfg.fsf@xps.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86ek476hfg.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-immure-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-immure-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: bob@immure.com Cc: Ragnar Lonn , Alexandre DELAY , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bob Willcox List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:33:08 -0000 On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:12:35PM +0100, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > Bob Willcox writes: > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:01:40PM +0100, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > > log2(94) < 7 > > Hmm, not sure what you're getting at...? > > Elementary arithmetics. If flash prices are currently 94 times higher > than hdd prices and they halve every year, it will take them less than > seven years to reach today's hdd prices. > > Shortly after that, McDonald's will start giving away terabyte flash > drives in happy meals... Perhaps so, but I will have to see it to believe it. Maybe over the years I've simply become too skeptical... -- Bob Willcox Men freely believe that what they wish to desire. bob@immure.com -- Julius Caesar Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 13:39:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EDD16A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:39:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA62743D5C for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:39:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A106520A9; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:39:18 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -3.2/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FFA20A8; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:39:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 097A033C3E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:39:18 +0100 (CET) To: Ragnar Lonn References: <43A13E1B.9060106@gatorhole.se> <20051215195746.GA39959@rancor.immure.com> <86irtj6hxn.fsf@xps.des.no> <20051220130653.GA16559@rancor.immure.com> <86ek476hfg.fsf@xps.des.no> <43A805FA.4020508@gatorhole.se> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:39:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <43A805FA.4020508@gatorhole.se> (Ragnar Lonn's message of "Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:24:10 +0100") Message-ID: <86acev6g6x.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Alexandre DELAY , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:39:24 -0000 Ragnar Lonn writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > > Elementary arithmetics. If flash prices are currently 94 times higher > > than hdd prices and they halve every year, it will take them less than > > seven years to reach today's hdd prices. > And you feel confident that HDD prices will stay fixed the next 7 > years then? No. That is why I wrote "today's hdd prices". > Elementary or advanced arithmetics, it doesn't matter if you don't > think first ;) Right back at you. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 13:43:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7191F16A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:43:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ragnar@gatorhole.se) Received: from mail.packetfront.com (mail.packetfront.com [212.247.6.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14D343D5C for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:43:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ragnar@gatorhole.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.packetfront.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09932A402B; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:43:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.packetfront.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07208-03; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:43:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.159] (unknown [192.168.1.159]) by mail.packetfront.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65CEA3FB7; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:43:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43A80A5B.2060607@gatorhole.se> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:42:51 +0100 From: Ragnar Lonn Organization: Packetfront User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ragnar Lonn References: <43A13E1B.9060106@gatorhole.se> <20051215195746.GA39959@rancor.immure.com> <86irtj6hxn.fsf@xps.des.no> <20051220130653.GA16559@rancor.immure.com> <86ek476hfg.fsf@xps.des.no> <43A805FA.4020508@gatorhole.se> In-Reply-To: <43A805FA.4020508@gatorhole.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at packetfront.com Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Alexandre DELAY , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:43:21 -0000 Ragnar Lonn wrote: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > >> Elementary arithmetics. If flash prices are currently 94 times higher >> than hdd prices and they halve every year, it will take them less than >> seven years to reach today's hdd prices. >> >> > > And you feel confident that HDD prices will stay fixed the next 7 > years then? > Elementary or advanced arithmetics, it doesn't matter if you don't > think first ;) Sorry, didn't see the "today" in your sentence above... But it's still a bit of a strange comment. 7 years from now, I don't think people will be very interested to pay as much for a flash disk as they did for an HDD *today*. Regards, /Ragnar From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 14:21:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226DE16A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:21:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9479043D53 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:21:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF7920AB; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:21:45 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -3.2/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A2120AA; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:21:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 07AC633C3E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:21:45 +0100 (CET) To: Ragnar Lonn References: <43A13E1B.9060106@gatorhole.se> <20051215195746.GA39959@rancor.immure.com> <86irtj6hxn.fsf@xps.des.no> <20051220130653.GA16559@rancor.immure.com> <86ek476hfg.fsf@xps.des.no> <43A805FA.4020508@gatorhole.se> <43A80A5B.2060607@gatorhole.se> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:21:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: <43A80A5B.2060607@gatorhole.se> (Ragnar Lonn's message of "Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:42:51 +0100") Message-ID: <861x076e87.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Alexandre DELAY , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:21:51 -0000 Ragnar Lonn writes: > Sorry, didn't see the "today" in your sentence above... But it's > still a bit of a strange comment. 7 years from now, I don't think > people will be very interested to pay as much for a flash disk as > they did for an HDD *today*. Why not? People are happily paying as much today for a 4 GB flash chip as they did for a 4 GB hard disk seven or ten years ago. If they're affordable and provide clear advantages over the cheaper alternatives, people will buy them. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 14:48:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F39816A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:48:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ragnar@gatorhole.se) Received: from mail.packetfront.com (mail.packetfront.com [212.247.6.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DF343D7E for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:48:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ragnar@gatorhole.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.packetfront.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DABBA4037; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:48:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.packetfront.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10967-01; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:48:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.159] (unknown [192.168.1.159]) by mail.packetfront.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF54BA4036; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:48:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43A81994.9030006@gatorhole.se> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:47:48 +0100 From: Ragnar Lonn Organization: Packetfront User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <43A13E1B.9060106@gatorhole.se> <20051215195746.GA39959@rancor.immure.com> <86irtj6hxn.fsf@xps.des.no> <20051220130653.GA16559@rancor.immure.com> <86ek476hfg.fsf@xps.des.no> <43A805FA.4020508@gatorhole.se> <43A80A5B.2060607@gatorhole.se> <861x076e87.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <861x076e87.fsf@xps.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at packetfront.com Cc: Alexandre DELAY , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:48:25 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >Ragnar Lonn writes: > > >>Sorry, didn't see the "today" in your sentence above... But it's >>still a bit of a strange comment. 7 years from now, I don't think >>people will be very interested to pay as much for a flash disk as >>they did for an HDD *today*. >> >> > >Why not? People are happily paying as much today for a 4 GB flash >chip as they did for a 4 GB hard disk seven or ten years ago. If >they're affordable and provide clear advantages over the cheaper >alternatives, people will buy them. > > Maybe you missed the start of this thread but we were discussing how expensive flash drives were and when, if ever, they'd be a reasonably priced alternative to HDD's, so I don't think people on this list at least would "happily" pay today's prices. I'd like that 96GB drive from memtech but they don't even have a quote for it so I'd guess it's not very cheap... No, today you have to buy a small drive. 4 or 8GB, which doesn't allow you to install a lot of stuff before it's full, and use it as boot disk while keeping the rest of your data on a conventional HDD somewhere. I want a PC with no moving parts and as few cables as possible so I'm going to go for that, and some kind of network disk mounted over WLAN I guess - does anyone have any experience with that and could recommend me some hardware? Netgear (or was it D-link?) has an AP to which you can connect USB harddrives and it will then act as a fileserver (SMB) but I've heard it's not so reliable. /Ragnar From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 17:54:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5571716A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:54:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A41A643D5A for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:54:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 76158 invoked by uid 110); 20 Dec 2005 17:54:40 -0000 Received: from ool-45701e98.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (simon%optinet.com@69.112.30.152) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 17:54:40 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "Dag-Erling Smørgrav" , "Ragnar Lonn" Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:56:01 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <43A81994.9030006@gatorhole.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20051220175441.A41A643D5A@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Alexandre DELAY , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:54:42 -0000 No=20moving=20parts=20would=20be=20nice=20but=20what=20about=20all=20the=20= fans=20used=20for=20cooling? are=20you=20going=20to=20use=20something=20like=20water=20cooling? -Simon On=20Tue,=2020=20Dec=202005=2015:47:48=20+0100,=20Ragnar=20Lonn=20wrote: >Dag-Erling=20Sm=F8rgrav=20wrote: > >>Ragnar=20Lonn=20=20writes: >>=20=20 >> >>>Sorry,=20didn't=20see=20the=20"today"=20in=20your=20sentence=20above...= =20But=20it's >>>still=20a=20bit=20of=20a=20strange=20comment.=207=20years=20from=20now,= =20I=20don't=20think >>>people=20will=20be=20very=20interested=20to=20pay=20as=20much=20for=20a= =20flash=20disk=20as >>>they=20did=20for=20an=20HDD=20*today*. >>>=20=20=20=20 >>> >> >>Why=20not?=20=20People=20are=20happily=20paying=20as=20much=20today=20fo= r=20a=204=20GB=20flash >>chip=20as=20they=20did=20for=20a=204=20GB=20hard=20disk=20seven=20or=20t= en=20years=20ago.=20=20If >>they're=20affordable=20and=20provide=20clear=20advantages=20over=20the=20= cheaper >>alternatives,=20people=20will=20buy=20them. >>=20=20 >> > >Maybe=20you=20missed=20the=20start=20of=20this=20thread=20but=20we=20were= =20discussing=20how=20 >expensive=20flash >drives=20were=20and=20when,=20if=20ever,=20they'd=20be=20a=20reasonably=20= priced=20alternative=20 >to=20HDD's,=20so >I=20don't=20think=20people=20on=20this=20list=20at=20least=20would=20"hap= pily"=20pay=20today's=20 >prices. > >I'd=20like=20that=2096GB=20drive=20from=20memtech=20but=20they=20don't=20= even=20have=20a=20quote=20 >for=20it=20so=20I'd >guess=20it's=20not=20very=20cheap... > >No,=20today=20you=20have=20to=20buy=20a=20small=20drive.=204=20or=208GB,=20= which=20doesn't=20allow=20 >you=20to >install=20a=20lot=20of=20stuff=20before=20it's=20full,=20and=20use=20it=20= as=20boot=20disk=20while=20 >keeping=20the=20rest >of=20your=20data=20on=20a=20conventional=20HDD=20somewhere.=20I=20want=20= a=20PC=20with=20no=20moving >parts=20and=20as=20few=20cables=20as=20possible=20so=20I'm=20going=20to=20= go=20for=20that,=20and=20 >some=20kind=20of >network=20disk=20mounted=20over=20WLAN=20I=20guess=20-=20does=20anyone=20= have=20any=20experience=20 >with >that=20and=20could=20recommend=20me=20some=20hardware?=20=20Netgear=20(or= =20was=20it=20D-link?) >has=20an=20AP=20to=20which=20you=20can=20connect=20USB=20harddrives=20and= =20it=20will=20then=20act=20as=20a >fileserver=20(SMB)=20but=20I've=20heard=20it's=20not=20so=20reliable. > >=20=20/Ragnar > > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org=20mailing=20list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >To=20unsubscribe,=20send=20any=20mail=20to=20"freebsd-hardware-unsubscrib= e@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 18:13:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B886816A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:13:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ragnar@gatorhole.se) Received: from mail.packetfront.com (mail.packetfront.com [212.247.6.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FF043D67 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:13:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ragnar@gatorhole.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.packetfront.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93D4A33E0; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:13:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.packetfront.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23733-06; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:13:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.159] (unknown [192.168.1.159]) by mail.packetfront.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AA9A33DF; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:13:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43A849B1.30004@gatorhole.se> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:13:05 +0100 From: Ragnar Lonn Organization: Packetfront User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon References: <20051220175441.A41A643D5A@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20051220175441.A41A643D5A@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at packetfront.com Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Alexandre DELAY , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: HDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:13:37 -0000 Simon wrote: >No moving parts would be nice but what about all the fans used for cooling? >are you going to use something like water cooling? > > I use a fanless power supply from Silverstone, a very large CPU heat dissipator called "Heatlane Zen" that can do without a CPU fan (but it will only handle 2.8 Ghz CPUs and if you don't use any fans at all, like me, I would say it can cool up to maybe 2.4 Ghz CPUs, not more), and a Radeon-something graphics card with a heat pipe cooling system. So there are no fans whatsoever. I have no computer case but have mounted everything directly on the wall to give it better air cicrulation. The CPU and power supply go a little hotter than they should but not overly much. The only moving-part component is currently the hard drive, but that is a very silent Seagate drive housed in a plexiglass box so it doesn't make much noise. If you don't know what to listen for you won't notice that the computer is on. The hard drive makes a very low, humming noise, and the graphics card makes a low, wheezing sound (possibly the heat pipe) when it does 3D stuff. But these sounds are almost like a person breathing so it has to be really quiet or you won't hear them. Next time I build a computer for home use I'll build my own heat dissipators, I think. If I make them really large and bulky (and with a lot of surface area of course), I should be able to cool things with no heatpipe noise at all. And if I then also use a flash drive I might be able to make the noise level undetectable. /Ragnar From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 19:29:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5645616A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:29:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smokey@cableone.net) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC1A43D58 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:29:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smokey@cableone.net) Received: from cableone.net (unverified [24.116.222.6]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 40693381 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:49:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:30:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Quinn Evans To: hardware@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0F73CBC3-718F-11DA-8ABB-0050E4AEE820@cableone.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.222.6 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Cc: Subject: USB Keyboard Issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:29:27 -0000 Hello all, I recently migrated back to FreeBSD after a failed love affair with Windows (long story, begins with games, ends with viruses), but now I'm having some hardware issues. I'm trying to use a USB keyboard on 6.0-RELEASE, but it either simply doesn't work, or works long enough to catch the first key I press and repeat it 50 times. The odd thing is that when the USB keyboard is connected, neither it nor the PS/2 keyboard work, but the PS/2 keyboard resumes function as soon as I disconnect the USB keyboard. I've tried running kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd1 from rc.local, and I just got a "/dev/kbd1: Device Busy", so I hypothesized that perhaps it was because it was running that after usbd, so I set up a skeleton script in /etc/rc.d that required DAEMON and provided usbkbd, then set usbd's script to require usbkbd. Unfortunately, same error, different place. I've also tried connecting the keyboard as normal, through my KVM, directly to the system, and directly to the system with the KVM disconnected. Same problem, no joy. I'm completely stumped on this one, and I can't seem to find any information. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I would just use a PS/2 keyboard, but that's not an option. I need this keyboard to work, because it was a gift from my significant other.. I'd really rather not hurt her feelings for her to see it in a box in the corner of the room. If anyone needs a dmesg listing, I can provide that, I just didn't provide it because of said keyboard troubles, but I hope I described the problem thoroughly enough.. Thanks In Advance, Quinn Evans From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 21 20:19:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84A716A41F for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:19:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j_guojun@lbl.gov) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8490D43D8D for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:19:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j_guojun@lbl.gov) Received: (qmail 42124 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2005 20:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.10?) (jinmtb@sbcglobal.net@68.127.187.147 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2005 20:19:21 -0000 Message-ID: <43A9B95E.2010207@lbl.gov> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:21:50 -0800 From: "Jin Guojun [VFFS]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051013 X-Accept-Language: zh, zh-CN, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <43640997.8000905@ccstores.com> <200510311158.55967.jhb@freebsd.org> <43665209.6010908@ccstores.com> <200510311427.20717.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200510311427.20717.jhb@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Lucent/Agere v.92 PCI modem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:19:24 -0000 I tried to make a PCI fax Modem, built with Agere chip, to work under FreeBSD 6.0, and get no luck. pciconf -l tells this card is none3@pci0:19:0: class=0x078000 card=0x044c11c1 chip=0x048c11c1 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 In /sys/dev/sio/sio_pci.c, I found a line for another Lucent Modem: { 0x048011c1, "Lucent kermit based PCI Modem", 0x14 }, it sounds like my internal modem is a similar to it and I add following below it: { 0x048c11c1, "Agere PCI FaxModem", 0x03 }, During the boot process, system says: sio_pci_probe GET 0x48c11c1 parent 0xc23c5400 sio0: Lazy allocation of 0x4 bytes rid 0x3 type 4 at 0x1000 sio0: irq maps: 0x21 0x21 0x21 0x21 sio0: probe failed test(s): 0 1 2 4 6 7 9 sio_pci_probe iD 0x48c11c1 return ECode 6 (EXNIO) pci0: at device 19.0 (no driver attached) It completely failed in sioprobe() for all tests 0,1,2,4,6,7,9 (in sioprobe, there is no test 3,5,8). So, does this mean that this is a dead card? or I missed something to bring it up? TIA, -Jin From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 23 23:13:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C2816A41F; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:13:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Received: from vika.newlines.ru (anna.newlines.ru [195.246.218.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113D843D5C; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:13:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by vika.newlines.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBDE11754; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:13:49 +0300 (MSK) Received: from vika.newlines.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (anna.newlines.ru [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89709-10; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:13:47 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [192.168.80.100] (ushakova.office.sportlottery.ru [192.168.80.100]) by vika.newlines.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:13:46 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <43AC84A2.9090804@nikiforov.ru> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:13:38 +0300 From: Anton Nikiforov Organization: NewLines Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040809090001030400090806" X-Virus-Scanned: By amavis at office-gw.newlines.ru Cc: Subject: StorageWorks X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: anton@nikiforov.ru List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:13:59 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040809090001030400090806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear ALL! I have a Intel XEON based server and Compaq StorageWorks FC adapter with FC disk subsystem. I did not found any info about drivers available in FreeBSD-5.4-RELEASE-p8 (maybe vendor developed drivers/utilities?). Could you please help? is there any solution to make this three parts (server, FC adapter and disk subsystem) to work under FreeBSD? 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Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:25:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2670D43D5C; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:25:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNNPPAi091173; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:25:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBNNPPEN001653; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:25:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id jBNNPPgo001652; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:25:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:25:24 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Anton Nikiforov Message-ID: <20051223232523.GA1628@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <43AC84A2.9090804@nikiforov.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43AC84A2.9090804@nikiforov.ru> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: stable@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StorageWorks X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:25:36 -0000 On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 02:13:38AM +0300, Anton Nikiforov wrote.. > Dear ALL! > I have a Intel XEON based server and Compaq StorageWorks FC adapter with > FC disk subsystem. > I did not found any info about drivers available in > FreeBSD-5.4-RELEASE-p8 (maybe vendor developed drivers/utilities?). > > Could you please help? is there any solution to make this three parts > (server, FC adapter and disk subsystem) to work under FreeBSD? *What* Compaq StorageWorks adapter? There are lots of different adapters, both from own Compaq production as well as QLogic and Emulex OEM origin. Only the Qlogics have a driver in FreeBSD, isp(4). -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 23 23:46:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C2016A41F; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:46:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Received: from vika.newlines.ru (anna.newlines.ru [195.246.218.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C4A43D55; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:46:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by vika.newlines.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75BE1173C; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:46:27 +0300 (MSK) Received: from vika.newlines.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (anna.newlines.ru [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07002-02; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:46:26 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [192.168.80.100] (ushakova.office.sportlottery.ru [192.168.80.100]) by vika.newlines.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:46:26 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <43AC8C4A.6090707@nikiforov.ru> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:46:18 +0300 From: Anton Nikiforov Organization: NewLines Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte References: <43AC84A2.9090804@nikiforov.ru> <20051223232523.GA1628@freebie.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051223232523.GA1628@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010802070406000204020401" X-Virus-Scanned: By amavis at office-gw.newlines.ru Cc: stable@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StorageWorks X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: anton@nikiforov.ru List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:46:30 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010802070406000204020401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 02:13:38AM +0300, Anton Nikiforov wrote.. > >>Dear ALL! >>I have a Intel XEON based server and Compaq StorageWorks FC adapter with >>FC disk subsystem. >>I did not found any info about drivers available in >>FreeBSD-5.4-RELEASE-p8 (maybe vendor developed drivers/utilities?). >> >>Could you please help? is there any solution to make this three parts >>(server, FC adapter and disk subsystem) to work under FreeBSD? > > > *What* Compaq StorageWorks adapter? There are lots of different > adapters, both from own Compaq production as well as QLogic and Emulex > OEM origin. Only the Qlogics have a driver in FreeBSD, isp(4). > It is now working under windows and Device manager saying only the following: Compaq Storage Works 64/66 Fibre host Bus adapter Tomorrow i'll try to open my HP box and see what is on the board. 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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte References: <43AC84A2.9090804@nikiforov.ru> <20051223232523.GA1628@freebie.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051223232523.GA1628@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010606040103080301050607" X-Virus-Scanned: By amavis at office-gw.newlines.ru Cc: stable@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StorageWorks X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: anton@nikiforov.ru List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:15:54 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010606040103080301050607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 02:13:38AM +0300, Anton Nikiforov wrote.. > >>Dear ALL! >>I have a Intel XEON based server and Compaq StorageWorks FC adapter with >>FC disk subsystem. >>I did not found any info about drivers available in >>FreeBSD-5.4-RELEASE-p8 (maybe vendor developed drivers/utilities?). >> >>Could you please help? is there any solution to make this three parts >>(server, FC adapter and disk subsystem) to work under FreeBSD? > > > *What* Compaq StorageWorks adapter? There are lots of different > adapters, both from own Compaq production as well as QLogic and Emulex > OEM origin. Only the Qlogics have a driver in FreeBSD, isp(4). > Hello and thanks for the replay. Here is what i can find in the board Compaq 1999 compaq 66MHz 64bit PCI controller SP# 161290-001 DG# 010007-000 AS# 010006-001 Rev 0E P225C0EBFK3JXE The biggest chip is Agilent Tachyon TS HPFC-5166A/1.2 L2C1090 J 0026 WEC26005 On the other side: BOARD NO 01008-001 A/W REV A FAB REV A 2000 (logo) NM4 94V-0 Could you please tell me if this will work under FreeBSD? Because i cannot find any QLogic lables or chips. And cannot take this to "play" before i buy it. I do want to be sure for 80% that this will work :) Could you please help? 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Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:45:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C4243D45; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:45:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOLj2KI030678; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:45:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBOLj2i4007359; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:45:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id jBOLj2mE007358; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:45:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:45:02 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Anton Nikiforov Message-ID: <20051224214502.GA7321@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <43AC84A2.9090804@nikiforov.ru> <20051223232523.GA1628@freebie.xs4all.nl> <43ADBA70.6090002@nikiforov.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43ADBA70.6090002@nikiforov.ru> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: stable@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StorageWorks X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:45:14 -0000 On Sun, Dec 25, 2005 at 12:15:28AM +0300, Anton Nikiforov wrote.. > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > >On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 02:13:38AM +0300, Anton Nikiforov wrote.. > > > >>Dear ALL! > >>I have a Intel XEON based server and Compaq StorageWorks FC adapter with > >>FC disk subsystem. > >>I did not found any info about drivers available in > >>FreeBSD-5.4-RELEASE-p8 (maybe vendor developed drivers/utilities?). > >> > >>Could you please help? is there any solution to make this three parts > >>(server, FC adapter and disk subsystem) to work under FreeBSD? > > > > > >*What* Compaq StorageWorks adapter? There are lots of different > >adapters, both from own Compaq production as well as QLogic and Emulex > >OEM origin. Only the Qlogics have a driver in FreeBSD, isp(4). > > > Hello and thanks for the replay. > Here is what i can find in the board > Compaq > 1999 compaq > 66MHz 64bit PCI controller > SP# 161290-001 > DG# 010007-000 > AS# 010006-001 > Rev 0E > P225C0EBFK3JXE > The biggest chip is Agilent Tachyon TS HPFC-5166A/1.2 L2C1090 J 0026 > WEC26005 > > On the other side: > BOARD NO 01008-001 A/W REV A FAB REV A > 2000 (logo) NM4 94V-0 > > Could you please tell me if this will work under FreeBSD? Because i > cannot find any QLogic lables or chips. And cannot take this to "play" No luck I'm afraid. Like you say, the Qlogic chips are easily distinguishable. What you have sounds like a Compaq-design, the folks in HOU used to use the Tachyon chips quite a lot. These days we OEM most (all?) of the FC HBAs. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org