From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 20:19:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730F016A41F; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:19:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from full-disclosure@csilva.org) Received: from jupiter.nswebhost.com (jupiter.nswebhost.com [72.9.236.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7525543D58; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:19:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from full-disclosure@csilva.org) Received: from 55-254.dial.nortenet.pt ([212.13.55.254]:34612 helo=[192.168.1.10]) by jupiter.nswebhost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EbknO-00040c-DI; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:19:18 -0500 Message-ID: <4378F126.5090602@csilva.org> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:18:46 +0000 From: Carlos Silva aka |Danger_Man| User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jupiter.nswebhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - csilva.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Pipe config bw... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:19:32 -0000 Hi, I've set "ipfw add pipe 1 ip from any to any 80;ipfw pipe 1 config bw 2Kbyte/s" but ipfw don't limit the bw of the port 80. If I set an IP (from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx), ipfw limits the bandwidth, but with this config, ipw doesn't limit the bandwidth. I have DUMMYNET on the kernel.. Anyone knows the solution? Best Regards, Carlos Silva http://osiris.csilva.org/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 22:02:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9419516A420; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:02:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mail.localelinks.com (web.localelinks.com [65.170.254.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BB143D45; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:02:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (adsl-157-21-134.jan.bellsouth.net [70.157.21.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.localelinks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283232A; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:02:40 -0600 (CST) Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 348C020FFA; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:02:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:02:37 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Carlos Silva aka|Danger_Man| Message-ID: <20051114220237.GG20846@over-yonder.net> References: <4378F126.5090602@csilva.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4378F126.5090602@csilva.org> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i-fullermd.2 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:21:03 +0000 Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pipe config bw... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:02:43 -0000 [ Crossposting bcc'd; followup to -net ] On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 08:18:46PM +0000 I heard the voice of Carlos Silva aka |Danger_Man|, and lo! it spake thus: > > I've set "ipfw add pipe 1 ip from any to any 80;ipfw pipe 1 config > bw 2Kbyte/s" but ipfw don't limit the bw of the port 80. Yes, it does, just now how you probably want. It limits the bandwidth of all packets _DESTINED_ to port 80. Packets _FROM_ port 80 don't hit that rule, therefore don't go through the pipe. Limiting traffic TO port 80 to 2kB/s probably isn't all that useful unless people are posting some really big forms 8-} -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. 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Thanks to all! with regards, Bikrant From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 12:32:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF3F16A41F for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:32:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from orb.pobox.com (orb.pobox.com [207.8.226.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9676D43D55 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:32:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from orb (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orb.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC0A4C3; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mappit.local.linnet.org (212-74-113-67.static.dsl.as9105.com [212.74.113.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by orb.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F95089; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists by mappit.local.linnet.org with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EcMSo-0000s1-Ec; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:32:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:32:34 +0000 From: Brian Candler To: Igor Shmukler Message-ID: <20051116123234.GB3208@uk.tiscali.com> References: <6533c1c90511150830r397d07cax670c761482ca4d2b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6533c1c90511150830r397d07cax670c761482ca4d2b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a data center with lots of FreeBSD machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:32:38 -0000 On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 11:30:26AM -0500, Igor Shmukler wrote: > We are searching two additional pilot sites for our FreeBSD solution. Your FreeBSD "solution" solves what problem exactly? Interestingly, it seems your company does not have its own domain, and so you send spam from a gmail account. That does not really inspire confidence that you are in any way legitimate. Indeed, there's no information from your posting which would even indicate the country you are in. > 1. advanced software that will significantly improve your productivity In what way? Brian. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 13:22:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADDE16A41F for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:22:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "") Received: from mgt.pl (challenger.mgt.pl [62.233.196.109]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AE743D45 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:22:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "") Received: (MGT-SMTPD 26071 invoked by uid 112); 16 Nov 2005 13:07:05 -0000 Date: 16 Nov 2005 13:07:05 -0000 From: "Administrator Systemu Antywirusowego / System Anti-Virus Administrator" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Tnz-Problem-Type: 40 Auto-Submitted: auto-replied In-Reply-To: <20051116132207.72CA12F925@mx1.futuro.net.pl> References: <20051116132207.72CA12F925@mx1.futuro.net.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Subject: virus found in sent message / znaleziono w wyslanej wiadomosci "Re: corrected" X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:22:20 -0000 Attention / Uwaga: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org A virus was found in an Email message you sent. This Email scanner intercepted it and stopped the entire message reaching it's destination. W wiadomosci, ktora wyslales/as znaleziono virus. Ten skaner pocztowy przechwycil i zatrzymal cala wiadomosc zanim dotarla ona do odbiorcy. The virus was reported to be: virus zostal zidentyfikowany jako: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Worm.SomeFool.AM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please update your virus scanner or contact your IT support personnel as soon as possible as you have a virus on your system. Prosze uaktualnic swoj program antywirusowy albo skontaktowac sie ze swoim dzialem IT jak szybko to mozliwe w celu poinformowania o znajdujacym sie wirusie w twoim systemie. Your message was sent with the following envelope: Wiadomosc, ktora zostala przez ciebie wyslana, byla zaadresowana: MAIL FROM: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org RCPT TO: darth@mgt.pl ... and with the following headers: ... i zawierala nastepujace naglowki: --- MAILFROM: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.futuro.net.pl (62.233.128.20) by mgt.pl with (MGT-SMTPD) SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 13:07:05 -0000 Received: from mgt.pl (xg202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl [80.55.214.202]) by mx1.futuro.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CA12F925 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:22:07 +0100 (CET) From: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org To: darth@mgt.pl Subject: Re: corrected Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:22:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_0000291F.0000602C" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-Id: <20051116132207.72CA12F925@mx1.futuro.net.pl> --- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 13:31:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768DD16A420 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:31:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from thorn.pobox.com (thorn.pobox.com [208.210.124.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7090043D46 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:31:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from thorn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thorn.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577FEB1 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mappit.local.linnet.org (212-74-113-67.static.dsl.as9105.com [212.74.113.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by thorn.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C7BED5 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from brian by mappit.local.linnet.org with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EcNNS-0000uv-5z for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:31:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mappit.local.linnet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EcNMC-0000ue-GV for brian@localhost; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:29:48 +0000 Received: from pop3.linnet.org by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.2.5.2) for brian@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:29:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [208.210.124.73] (helo=gold.pobox.com) by mk-mx-3.b2b.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EcNHO-0009UC-Iy for brian@linnet.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:24:50 +0000 Received: from gold.pobox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF838505C for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:24:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: b.candler@pobox.com Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by gold.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406DA85038 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so1625449nzk for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:24:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AueIpMaUtECX//4wVqkqiW06aOWDmJQ6T2cD9J0w7zKFi3mkwtgna5oSI3MRnYrVpoUDSjNmSAA0dthiW6MstCVOYEaAzk0sLog2QsKCL/6PdPrKRqirZczArK2raZv6P9vijazEpIWX5+F8KtgcfZn1z+n2r3H5b0Jr+emsCxQ= Received: by 10.36.132.11 with SMTP id f11mr6160159nzd; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.121.3 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:24:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6533c1c90511160524l4f037d2fmc009ecab91a407cf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:24:35 -0500 From: Igor Shmukler To: Brian Candler In-Reply-To: <20051116123234.GB3208@uk.tiscali.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6533c1c90511150830r397d07cax670c761482ca4d2b@mail.gmail.com> <20051116123234.GB3208@uk.tiscali.com> Resent-From: brian@uk.tiscali.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:31:06 +0000 Resent-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Resent-Message-Id: Cc: Subject: Re: a data center with lots of FreeBSD machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:31:11 -0000 You are a moron. Your conclusions clearly reveal your level of intelligence= . Feel free to ignore my future posts. You won't be our pilot customer. Why don't you just stick to making wax candles. On 11/16/05, Brian Candler wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 11:30:26AM -0500, Igor Shmukler wrote: > > We are searching two additional pilot sites for our FreeBSD solution. > > Your FreeBSD "solution" solves what problem exactly? > > Interestingly, it seems your company does not have its own domain, and so > you send spam from a gmail account. That does not really inspire confiden= ce > that you are in any way legitimate. Indeed, there's no information from y= our > posting which would even indicate the country you are in. > > > 1. advanced software that will significantly improve your productivity > > In what way? > > Brian. > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 13:41:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F63D16A427 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:41:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erik@microcontroller.nl) Received: from rena.mysmt.net (rena.mysmt.net [82.150.137.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAF643D49 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:40:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erik@microcontroller.nl) Received: (qmail 40725 invoked by uid 89); 16 Nov 2005 13:40:55 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 40714, pid: 40716, t: 3.0512s scanners: clamav: 0.86.2/m:33/d:993 spam: 3.0.2 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.14?) (microcon@microcontroller.nl@213.84.50.76) by 82-150-137-14.mysmt.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 13:40:52 -0000 From: "Erik @ Microcontroller.nl" To: Brian Candler In-Reply-To: <20051116123234.GB3208@uk.tiscali.com> References: <6533c1c90511150830r397d07cax670c761482ca4d2b@mail.gmail.com> <20051116123234.GB3208@uk.tiscali.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:44:34 +0100 Message-Id: <1132148674.30700.18.camel@tessa.mysmt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on rena.mysmt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a data center with lots of FreeBSD machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:41:01 -0000 > Your FreeBSD "solution" solves what problem exactly? > > Interestingly, it seems your company does not have its own domain, and so > you send spam from a gmail account. That does not really inspire confidence > that you are in any way legitimate. Indeed, there's no information from your > posting which would even indicate the country you are in. > > > 1. advanced software that will significantly improve your productivity > > In what way? Indeed same questions here,. Let's just don't reply to these messages.. -Erik. (moron) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 13:47:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBAF16A41F for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:47:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from orb.pobox.com (orb.pobox.com [207.8.226.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA8543D6E for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:47:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from orb (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orb.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C624A8; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mappit.local.linnet.org (212-74-113-67.static.dsl.as9105.com [212.74.113.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by orb.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E92D87; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from brian by mappit.local.linnet.org with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EcNdG-0000wM-H8; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:47:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:47:26 +0000 From: Brian Candler To: Igor Shmukler Message-ID: <20051116134726.GA3561@uk.tiscali.com> References: <6533c1c90511150830r397d07cax670c761482ca4d2b@mail.gmail.com> <20051116123234.GB3208@uk.tiscali.com> <6533c1c90511160524l4f037d2fmc009ecab91a407cf@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6533c1c90511160524l4f037d2fmc009ecab91a407cf@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a data center with lots of FreeBSD machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:47:31 -0000 On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 08:24:35AM -0500, Igor Shmukler wrote: > You are a moron. However, I am a moron who doesn't go through an anonymising proxy to hide my source IP address when posting. Here are the headers of that mail: | Delivered-To: b.candler@pobox.com | Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) | by gold.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406DA85038 | for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:24:06 -0500 (EST) | Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so1625449nzk | for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:24:35 -0800 (PST) | DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; | s=beta; d=gmail.com; | h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; | b=AueIpMaUtECX//4wVqkqiW06aOWDmJQ6T2cD9J0w7zKFi3mkwtgna5oSI3MRnYrVpoUDSjNmSAA0dthiW6MstCVOYEaAzk0sLog2QsKCL/6PdPrKRqirZczArK2raZv6P9vijazEpIWX5+F8KtgcfZn1z+n2r3H5b0Jr+emsCxQ= | Received: by 10.36.132.11 with SMTP id f11mr6160159nzd; | Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:24:35 -0800 (PST) | Received: by 10.36.121.3 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:24:35 -0800 (PST) | Message-ID: <6533c1c90511160524l4f037d2fmc009ecab91a407cf@mail.gmail.com> | Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:24:35 -0500 | From: Igor Shmukler | To: Brian Candler | Subject: Re: a data center with lots of FreeBSD machines | In-Reply-To: <20051116123234.GB3208@uk.tiscali.com> | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | Content-Disposition: inline | References: <6533c1c90511150830r397d07cax670c761482ca4d2b@mail.gmail.com> | <20051116123234.GB3208@uk.tiscali.com> | Content-Length: 858 | Lines: 26 | | You are a moron. Your conclusions clearly reveal your level of intelligence= I don't know whether hiding the source IP like this is standard gmail behaviour, or if you have done something special. Or perhaps you are a Google employee on their private network? If it's standard gmail behaviour, then I'm inclined to blacklist *@gmail.com entirely. Regards, Brian. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 17:08:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E11916A420 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:08:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC34543D45 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:08:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.225.194.146.dial1.denver1.level3.net ([4.225.194.146]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EcQlt-0007B7-00; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:08:34 -0500 From: Phil Helms To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:08:58 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20051116120049.A832516A41F@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20051116120049.A832516A41F@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511161008.58842.phelms1@mindspring.com> Cc: igor.shmukler@gmail.com Subject: Re: a data center with lots of FreeBSD machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: phelms1@mindspring.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:08:35 -0000 What is your product? On Wed November 16 2005 05:00, Igor Shmukler wrote: > > We are searching two additional pilot sites for our FreeBSD solution. > We are looking for a deployment with a large numbers of machines > running FreeBSD for either hosting or some other production workload. > Has to be 50 servers or more. > -- Phil Helms phelms1@mindspring.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 17:14:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B5E16A422 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:14:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darek@nyi.net) Received: from m.kolocation.com (m.kolocation.com [66.111.12.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 16D4443D76 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:13:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darek@nyi.net) Received: (qmail 46249 invoked by uid 89); 16 Nov 2005 17:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.50.50.253?) (64.147.100.2) by 0 with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 17:02:17 -0000 Message-ID: <437B68CD.3020504@nyi.net> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:13:49 -0500 From: Darek Milewski User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Candler References: <6533c1c90511150830r397d07cax670c761482ca4d2b@mail.gmail.com> <20051116123234.GB3208@uk.tiscali.com> <6533c1c90511160524l4f037d2fmc009ecab91a407cf@mail.gmail.com> <20051116134726.GA3561@uk.tiscali.com> In-Reply-To: <20051116134726.GA3561@uk.tiscali.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a data center with lots of FreeBSD machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:14:12 -0000 Brian Candler wrote: >I don't know whether hiding the source IP like this is standard gmail >behaviour, or if you have done something special. Or perhaps you are a >Google employee on their private network? > >If it's standard gmail behaviour, then I'm inclined to blacklist *@gmail.com >entirely. > >Regards, > >Brian. > As far as I know, it *is* google's standard behavior. They hide their webmail users' real IPs, and this has resulted in a tiff with at least one SBL because Gmail is used by many phishers for their scams and Google wasn't very cooperative in dealing with the complaints. So few weeks back Google's mail was being bounced by many users of that list. Not sure whether it has been resolved yet. - Darek From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 18:25:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF26116A41F for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:25:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from igor.shmukler@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A76B43D49 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:25:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from igor.shmukler@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 9so1328718nzo for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:25:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kreotrHo3pYETF+TABS52LdeO7GP2J2m0O35FG4SXckE7hMWmcY+aGaRH1/JPCCsZ492IbuJS9wQvNwwUMHJr6ugeEsICWyVdffVfWNlQ+qNy24Y0mNoHqqP80PYHj7BwhF93gIkCzGyIND7cU8IEeNzcU+znUdiYLH9PXybZ5w= Received: by 10.36.138.6 with SMTP id l6mr174273nzd; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.121.3 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:25:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6533c1c90511161025v6b54238p476928714f74df3b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:25:54 -0500 From: Igor Shmukler To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200511161008.58842.phelms1@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051116120049.A832516A41F@hub.freebsd.org> <200511161008.58842.phelms1@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: a data center with lots of FreeBSD machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:25:56 -0000 Phil, We are running limited trials. The product is not yet generally available. We are searching for two additional pilot leads. If your infrastructure qualifies, please answer our questions and we will email you a product presentation and/or answer all of your questions. I am sure you understand that until there is an official announcement, I have to follow our proceedure. Thank you in advance, igor On 11/16/05, Phil Helms wrote: > What is your product? > > On Wed November 16 2005 05:00, Igor Shmukler wrote: > > > > We are searching two additional pilot sites for our FreeBSD solution. > > We are looking for a deployment with a large numbers of machines > > running FreeBSD for either hosting or some other production workload. > > Has to be 50 servers or more. > > > > -- > Phil Helms > phelms1@mindspring.com > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 23:28:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B019016A41F for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:28:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike@lanline.com) Received: from mail.lanline.com (mail.lanline.com [216.187.0.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4AF43D46 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:28:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike@lanline.com) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by mail.lanline.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id jAGNSUv02858 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:28:31 -0000 Hi all, I'm looking into several backup options for my site. We have a mixed (BSDI/FreeBSD/Linux) environment. We recently got a 2TB server and I was wondering what the general consensus was on backups. I was either considering writing some custom scripts to just tar, zip, and dump data to the remote file system or possibly using bacula. Amanda is out, because I'm not really interested in pushing the stuff to tape. So, I'm pretty much down to bacula and the standard unix tools. Bacula looks cool, but it seems like it maybe unnecessarily complicated and bulky (btw, i also do have a few w2k servers that can be backed using bacula's client :( ). Anyone with a similar situation or experience with bacula? Thanks in advance. -Mike From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 23:38:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C98416A41F for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:38:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff@norristechs.net) Received: from scooby.norristechs.net (scooby.norristechs.net [71.36.89.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A71243D45 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:38:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff@norristechs.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] [71.36.89.205] by scooby.norristechs.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A2E501B0; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:38:13 -0700 Message-ID: <437BC2D7.6070503@norristechs.net> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:37:59 -0700 From: Jeff at NorrisTechs Organization: NorrisTechs.NET.COM User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike@lanline.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:38:15 -0000 I use a method you describe. tar gz all my files and directories then push them to a removable hard drive (jaz, zip, etc). I use a simple shell script to do all this for me and I rotate the media each day, so I have at least 3 copies of everything. This process would take much hard drive space to accomplish as you have the original file, then the tar.gz version of the same files. Cheers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ */Jeff Norris/* /~ Web Hosting ~ VPN Solutions ~ Network Management ~ Design, deploy, kick ass. / *N*orris*Techs* dot net http://www.norristechs.net *AOL IM or Yahoo IM: _ ntshelper _* mike@lanline.com wrote: >Hi all, > > I'm looking into several backup options for my site. We have a >mixed (BSDI/FreeBSD/Linux) environment. We recently got a 2TB server and >I was wondering what the general consensus was on backups. I was either >considering writing some custom scripts to just tar, zip, and dump data >to the remote file system or possibly using bacula. Amanda is out, >because I'm not really interested in pushing the stuff to tape. > So, I'm pretty much down to bacula and the standard unix tools. >Bacula looks cool, but it seems like it maybe unnecessarily complicated >and bulky (btw, i also do have a few w2k servers that can be backed using >bacula's client :( ). Anyone with a similar situation or experience with >bacula? > >Thanks in advance. > >-Mike > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 16 23:48:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0518E16A41F for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:48:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: from pearl.ibctech.ca (pearl.ibctech.ca [209.167.58.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D8543D45 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:48:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 47525 invoked by uid 1002); 16 Nov 2005 23:48:19 -0000 Received: from iaccounts@ibctech.ca by pearl.ibctech.ca by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(209.167.16.15):. Processed in 2.959717 secs); 16 Nov 2005 23:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fuze) (209.167.16.15) by pearl.ibctech.ca with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 23:48:15 -0000 From: "Steve Bertrand" To: "'Jeff at NorrisTechs'" Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:48:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcXrBt9iPScfYV2yRgS5rQqHD7SxdgAAI98g In-Reply-To: <437BC2D7.6070503@norristechs.net> X-Qmail-Scanner-Message-ID: <113218489667547519@pearl.ibctech.ca> Message-Id: <20051116234820.58D8543D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:48:21 -0000 > > I'm looking into several backup options for my site. > We have a mixed > >(BSDI/FreeBSD/Linux) environment. We recently got a 2TB > server and I > >was wondering what the general consensus was on backups. I > was either > >considering writing some custom scripts to just tar, zip, > and dump data > >to the remote file system or possibly using bacula. Amanda is out, > >because I'm not really interested in pushing the stuff to tape. > > So, I'm pretty much down to bacula and the standard unix tools. > >Bacula looks cool, but it seems like it maybe unnecessarily > complicated > >and bulky (btw, i also do have a few w2k servers that can be backed > >using bacula's client :( ). Anyone with a similar situation or > >experience with bacula? No bacula, but this is what I use from time to time to take live copies of a filesystem: # tar -cvzf - / | ssh steve@server.domain.com 'cat > fsbak.tar.gz' Note that you will have to implement SSH keyed authentication to automate it all-around. Also note that the above will create a tarball on the remote server that contains the ENTIRE directory structure. Substitute '/' for '/usr' or whatever structure you want backed up. This procedure can also be used to untar the tarball onto a new disk, and boot right from it. (Although changes have to be made, and it's not bulletproof). A Perl or shell script can easily automate the naming of the backup file on the remote system, and even recycle ones that are N days old. Regards, Steve > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > >-Mike > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 17 03:01:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A312716A41F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:01:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh2.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDDE43D45 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:01:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [192.168.42.25] ([192.168.42.25]) by mh2.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH316DH009358; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:01:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <437BF269.5080809@centtech.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:00:57 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051021 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike@lanline.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.82/1176/Tue Nov 15 14:47:39 2005 on mh2.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:01:11 -0000 mike@lanline.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking into several backup options for my site. We have a > mixed (BSDI/FreeBSD/Linux) environment. We recently got a 2TB server and > I was wondering what the general consensus was on backups. I was either > considering writing some custom scripts to just tar, zip, and dump data > to the remote file system or possibly using bacula. Amanda is out, > because I'm not really interested in pushing the stuff to tape. > So, I'm pretty much down to bacula and the standard unix tools. > Bacula looks cool, but it seems like it maybe unnecessarily complicated > and bulky (btw, i also do have a few w2k servers that can be backed using > bacula's client :( ). Anyone with a similar situation or experience with > bacula? I use rsnapshot to back up several Tb's of data to a single large 'snapshot' server, which holds about 80 'full' backups of my data, online. I then roll certain snaps to tape (using either tar or bacula), and send the tapes off. The solution works well, is fast, and keeps the data transfer down. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 17 03:06:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4310616A41F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:06:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@visionsix.com) Received: from mordrede.visionsix.net (mordrede.visionsix.net [206.113.65.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E67043D45 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:06:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@visionsix.com) Received: from vsis169 (unverified [206.113.65.14]) by mordrede.visionsix.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.340.0) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:06:30 -0600 Message-ID: <003601c5eb23$e8837840$de0a0a0a@visionsix.com> From: "Lewis Watson" To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:06:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:06:33 -0000 > considering writing some custom scripts to just tar, zip, and dump = data > to the remote file system or possibly using bacula. Amanda is out, > because I'm not really interested in pushing the stuff to tape. > Thanks in advance. > -Mike Hi Mike, It sounds like Amanda would actually be perfect for you to use. While = tapes are commonly used with amanda it does not require tapes at all. = Additionally, underneath Amanda's array of "amcommands" is the same = Unix tools you just mentioned - tar and dump. Also, amanda (+samba, I = think) will also be able to back up the windows servers. =20 If the tape issue was the only thing that was keeping amanda out of the = picture then it may be a good time to reconsider. I have had very good = success using amanda for about the last 5 years, here's the link in case = you want to reconsider... www.amanda.org Thanks, Lewis Watson VisionSix Internet lists@visionsix.com 205 763-9120 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 17 03:40:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16B116A41F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:40:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from volfman@keystreams.com) Received: from mailbox.keystreams.com (mailbox.keystreams.com [207.158.28.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C9443D4C for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:40:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from volfman@keystreams.com) Received: (qmail 76100 invoked by uid 1012); 16 Nov 2005 19:39:37 -0800 Received: from 10.8.0.6 by mail.keystreams.com (envelope-from , uid 1009) with qmail-scanner-1.25-st-qms (clamdscan: 0.86.2/1001. spamassassin: 3.0.4. perlscan: 1.25-st-qms. 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(volfman@keystreams.com@10.8.0.6) by mailbox.keystreams.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 19:39:37 -0800 Message-ID: <437BFBBF.1060804@keystreams.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:40:47 -0800 From: Roman Volf User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:40:51 -0000 mike@lanline.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking into several backup options for my site. We have a > mixed (BSDI/FreeBSD/Linux) environment. We recently got a 2TB server and > I was wondering what the general consensus was on backups. I was either > considering writing some custom scripts to just tar, zip, and dump data > to the remote file system or possibly using bacula. Amanda is out, > because I'm not really interested in pushing the stuff to tape. > So, I'm pretty much down to bacula and the standard unix tools. > Bacula looks cool, but it seems like it maybe unnecessarily complicated > and bulky (btw, i also do have a few w2k servers that can be backed using > bacula's client :( ). Anyone with a similar situation or experience with > bacula? > > Thanks in advance. > > -Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Check out BackupPC. http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ . It uses rsync/ssh and does incremental backups and has a nifty GUI to monitor the backups of all the servers. I use it to backup about 8 servers and it works really well. -- Roman Volf Keystreams Internet Solutions volfman@keystreams.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 17 04:12:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEEF16A41F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:12:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterclutton@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C843843D45 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:12:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterclutton@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so1230042wxc for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:12:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X72Y75EFCp1pz1M91ZHPTrS6QGSTtVLX7acldgGl9+pyXouWBNkWLV2Lz5x3RS1b8bfDqwmvEtnhkKevg28FZoDhOjM8yILJfbWB7g54bPwtl0K8jB+J0lM2lRRVSnNzr37jtUZc1eMckySVFooX0cZ8cKA4zK+RhAWLjEPG8Uo= Received: by 10.70.63.5 with SMTP id l5mr4547302wxa; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:06:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.91.17 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:06:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <57416b300511162006m4cfe53f8n6dc2bccb877a5567@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:06:11 +1100 From: Peter Clutton To: "mike@lanline.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:12:51 -0000 On 11/17/05, mike@lanline.com wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm looking into several backup options for my site. We have a > mixed (BSDI/FreeBSD/Linux) environment. We recently got a 2TB server and > I was wondering what the general consensus was on backups. I was either > considering writing some custom scripts to just tar, zip, and dump data FWIW, i have read that by far the best is dump, because of the way it deals with the raw data. No need to worry bout files with holes in them (with other backup tools, this could mean you may not be able to fit the file system back on after backup, if there are core files etc) I believe i read this in the O'Rielly text Unix Power Tools, but could be wrong. They also referenced an extensive test that was done by someone, and gave the link. I will post it if i find it. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 17 07:51:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0840116A41F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:51:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vaida.bogdan@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B2E43D46 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:51:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vaida.bogdan@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 8so1861606nzo for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:51:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rbuH0RB0TnVaChJNmmIloka+eV/f/sUoasmC61Y/xEWsrzLZHl0S4niFpo5KJ8LyZ796UDEbro8DWFWou2sTdU0ezxt2dWU5kQKgsOkgx4tRdkJBnMQxEKhi77xmGT7Y/2b96tN4cI2KB/zTSSOSClEP7x55hsPUizUaqzKhRlE= Received: by 10.37.12.63 with SMTP id p63mr7341610nzi; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.251.53 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:51:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <12848a3b0511162351q1dfe0d19k68810e349843f2cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:51:10 +0000 From: Vaida Bogdan To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <57416b300511162006m4cfe53f8n6dc2bccb877a5567@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <57416b300511162006m4cfe53f8n6dc2bccb877a5567@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:51:11 -0000 Also try duplicity: http://www.nongnu.org/duplicity/features.html - does encrypted incremental backups using rdiff and ssh (or ftp) On 11/17/05, Peter Clutton wrote: > On 11/17/05, mike@lanline.com wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking into several backup options for my site. We have a > > mixed (BSDI/FreeBSD/Linux) environment. We recently got a 2TB server a= nd > > I was wondering what the general consensus was on backups. I was eithe= r > > considering writing some custom scripts to just tar, zip, and dump data > > FWIW, i have read that by far the best is dump, because of the way it > deals with the raw data. No need to worry bout files with holes in > them (with other backup tools, this could mean you may not be able to > fit the file system back on after backup, if there are core files etc) > I believe i read this in the O'Rielly text Unix Power Tools, but could > be wrong. They also referenced an extensive test that was done by > someone, and gave the link. I will post it if i find it. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 17 12:28:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FE816A41F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:28:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh1.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1607F43D45 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:28:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by mh1.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHCSahW029121; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:28:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <437C776B.6000705@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:28:27 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051021 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Clutton References: <57416b300511162006m4cfe53f8n6dc2bccb877a5567@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57416b300511162006m4cfe53f8n6dc2bccb877a5567@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.82/1177/Thu Nov 17 02:35:37 2005 on mh1.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, "mike@lanline.com" Subject: Re: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:28:38 -0000 Peter Clutton wrote: > On 11/17/05, mike@lanline.com wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >> I'm looking into several backup options for my site. We have a >>mixed (BSDI/FreeBSD/Linux) environment. We recently got a 2TB server and >>I was wondering what the general consensus was on backups. I was either >>considering writing some custom scripts to just tar, zip, and dump data > > > FWIW, i have read that by far the best is dump, because of the way it > deals with the raw data. No need to worry bout files with holes in > them (with other backup tools, this could mean you may not be able to > fit the file system back on after backup, if there are core files etc) > I believe i read this in the O'Rielly text Unix Power Tools, but could > be wrong. They also referenced an extensive test that was done by > someone, and gave the link. I will post it if i find it. rsync handles sparse files just fine. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 17 14:06:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EDA16A41F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:06:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from thorn.pobox.com (thorn.pobox.com [208.210.124.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EE543D49 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:06:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from thorn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thorn.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257EA243; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mappit.local.linnet.org (212-74-113-67.static.dsl.as9105.com [212.74.113.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by thorn.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC11EF1; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists by mappit.local.linnet.org with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EckOp-00024y-MP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:06:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:06:03 +0000 From: Brian Candler To: Peter Clutton Message-ID: <20051117140603.GA7941@uk.tiscali.com> References: <57416b300511162006m4cfe53f8n6dc2bccb877a5567@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <57416b300511162006m4cfe53f8n6dc2bccb877a5567@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, "mike@lanline.com" Subject: Re: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:06:10 -0000 On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 03:06:11PM +1100, Peter Clutton wrote: > FWIW, i have read that by far the best is dump, because of the way it > deals with the raw data. No need to worry bout files with holes in > them (with other backup tools, this could mean you may not be able to > fit the file system back on after backup, if there are core files etc) > I believe i read this in the O'Rielly text Unix Power Tools, but could > be wrong. They also referenced an extensive test that was done by > someone, and gave the link. I will post it if i find it. You may mean the Zwicky "Torture Testing" paper: http://grox.net/doc/zwicky/testsuite/torture.pdf My 2 cents: don't judge a backup system by how easy it is to make backups. You should judge it by how easy and reliable it is to *restore* a complete and working image. That's harder than it sounds. If you're rsync'ing or tar'ing: how confident are you that you can quickly build an identical clone machine, with correct chflags() information, and with working boot blocks? Aside: I'd quite like to see a backup system which uses dump/restore, but also uses a crytographic hash of each file so you don't end up storing 100 copies of the same system files when backing up 100 machines. Anybody know of such a beast? Regards, Brian.