From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 03:55:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B74916A41F for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:55:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Notes01_Farn.LOMA@loma.co.uk) Received: from loma5.loma.co.uk (loma5.loma.co.uk [194.216.3.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF1A43D45 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:55:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Notes01_Farn.LOMA@loma.co.uk) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Notes01_Farn.LOMA@loma.co.uk X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:52:45 +0000 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Notes01_Farn/Loma(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 21/11/2005 03:53:37 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NAV detected a virus in a document you authored. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:55:40 -0000 It looks as if you have sent us a virus - We have picked up the document and we will be trying to clean it. If cleaning fails, we will be disposing of the file. If you do not already have one, we suggest that you get a virus checker installed ASAP and give your systems a clean up! It is also possible that your mail addess has been "spoofed" and that you did not actually send this virus, but somebody is using your e-mail address to send out viruses, if this is the case then no action is required. Thank you for your attention in this matter. The scanned document was QUARANTINED. Virus Information: The attachment message.scr contained the virus W32.Netsky.P@mm and could NOT be repaired. 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Bush gone two affected raised to raised they they his see Click in Clinton bomber giant those Clinton the the a car north north Iraqi car north demonstrators they see the "It's Mr the majority his as farHe as the From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 23:24:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E124C16A41F for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:24:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mgonzales@tribune.com) Received: from queue1.tribune.com (queue1.tribune.com [163.192.21.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 679C643D7E for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:24:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mgonzales@tribune.com) Received: (qmail 8731 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 23:24:25 -0000 Received: from tco-chi-exfe2.tribune.ad.trb (163.194.253.47) by queue1.tis-in.trb with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 23:24:25 -0000 Received: from TPC-CTC-TTMB.TRIBUNE.AD.TRB ([163.194.64.94]) by tco-chi-exfe2.TRIBUNE.AD.TRB with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:24:25 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6521.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: <9B98A950C7AA4545A09FA7BFD26BA167011C1089@TPC-CTC-TTMB.TRIBUNE.AD.TRB> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: hi, ive a new mail address Thread-Index: AcXu8rLDmuowCj3dTcKtThNXcvaUawAAAMev From: "Gonzales, Mark" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2005 23:24:25.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[B60D04D0:01C5EEF2] Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: hi, ive a new mail address X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:24:34 -0000 I will return on Monday, Nov. 28. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 23:24:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE8F16A420 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:24:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aolivo@tribune.com) Received: from queue1.tribune.com (queue1.tribune.com [163.192.21.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6783D43D77 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:24:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aolivo@tribune.com) Received: (qmail 8742 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2005 23:24:26 -0000 Received: from tco-chi-exfe3.tribune.ad.trb (163.194.253.36) by queue1.tis-in.trb with SMTP; 21 Nov 2005 23:24:26 -0000 Received: from TPC-CTC-TTMB.TRIBUNE.AD.TRB ([163.194.64.94]) by tco-chi-exfe3.TRIBUNE.AD.TRB with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:24:24 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6521.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: <9B98A950C7AA4545A09FA7BFD26BA167D2D91F@TPC-CTC-TTMB.TRIBUNE.AD.TRB> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: hi, ive a new mail address Thread-Index: AcXu8rLDmuowCj3dTcKtThNXcvaUawAAAOA/ From: "Olivo, Antonio" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2005 23:24:25.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5D5C830:01C5EEF2] Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: hi, ive a new mail address X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:24:34 -0000 Out until November 28. Best way to reach me before then is by cell: = 312.282.9349. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 22 10:02:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFB616A41F for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:02:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nwalsh@baxglobal.com) Received: from lhrsendmail.baxglobal.com (lhrsendmail.baxglobal.com [80.168.11.104]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A7043D5C for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:02:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nwalsh@baxglobal.com) Received: from SMTPLHR.baxglobal.com ([172.18.205.3]) by lhrsendmail.baxglobal.com (Switch-3.1.0/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id jAMBmeTT004419 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:48:41 GMT Received: from lhr.at.bax.global ([172.19.96.60]) by SMTPLHR.baxglobal.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.0.3) with ESMTP id 2005112210031167-1240204 ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:03:11 +0000 From: Natalie Walsh To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:02:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LHR/EUROPE/BAX(Release 6.5|September 26, 2003) at 22/11/2005 10:02:05, Itemize by SMTP Server on SMTPLHR/ATLANTIC/BAX(Release 6.0.3|September 26, 2003) at 22/11/2005 10:03:11, Serialize by Router on SMTPLHR/ATLANTIC/BAX(Release 6.0.3|September 26, 2003) at 22/11/2005 10:03:13, Serialize complete at 22/11/2005 10:03:13 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Natalie Walsh/EUROPE/BAX is out of the office. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:02:10 -0000 I will be out of the office starting 24/06/2005 and will not return until 03/01/2006. I am absent due to being on Maternity Leave. If you require Urgent Assistance please contact the following people. Phil Wilson (pwilson@baxglobal.com) Andy German (agerman@baxglobal.com) Michael Walton (mwalton@baxglobal.com) Tel: 44 161 499 6420 Fax: 44 161 499 6440 Regards Natalie Walsh From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 22 14:18:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2F716A41F for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:18:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cd2-bounces@subethanet.net) Received: from subethanet.net (subethanet.net [209.98.147.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0329143D53 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:18:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cd2-bounces@subethanet.net) Received: from subethanet.net (megadodo [127.0.0.1]) by subethanet.net (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAMEIMMk011363 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:18:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cd2-bounces@subethanet.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:18:21 -0600 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: cd2@subethanet.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: cd2-bounces@subethanet.net Errors-To: cd2-bounces@subethanet.net Subject: Your message to CD2 awaits moderator approval X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:18:24 -0000 Your mail to 'CD2' with the subject hi,_ive_a_new_mail_address Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. 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From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 25 16:36:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623EC16A41F for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:36:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from directors@americancreamdraft.org) Received: from host2.the-web-host.com (host2.the-web-host.com [209.239.37.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FFF43D6B for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:36:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from directors@americancreamdraft.org) Received: (from acdha@localhost) by host2.the-web-host.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id jAPGapI9003008; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:36:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:36:51 -0500 From: directors@americancreamdraft.org Message-Id: <200511251636.jAPGapI9003008@host2.the-web-host.com> X-Authentication-Warning: host2.the-web-host.com: acdha set sender to directors@americancreamdraft.org using -f To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <200511251636.jAPGac3m002915@host2.the-web-host.com> In-Reply-To: <200511251636.jAPGac3m002915@host2.the-web-host.com> X-Loop: directors@americancreamdraft.org Precedence: junk Subject: Re: Re: thanks! 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From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 25 21:31:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2CD16A41F for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:31:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "") Received: from mail.macrolink.bc.ca (www.trainerhub.com [154.5.73.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09E543D69 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:31:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "") Received: by mail.macrolink.bc.ca (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 1B6C01A8357; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:31:21 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0440792479==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline From: Dan Boudreau Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:31:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1132954280.14404.TMDA@server1> References: <7b027acc6.7f4594a740@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <7b027acc6.7f4594a740@freebsd.org> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-replied X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) Subject: Please confirm your message X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Reply-To: danb-confirm-1132954280.14404.ddb474@macrolink.bc.ca List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:31:22 -0000 --===============0440792479== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Confirmation Request Content-Disposition: inline This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (TMDA). 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If you do not respond to this confirmation request within 14 days, your message will not be delivered. --===============0440792479== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Description: Original Message Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: X-Original-To: danb@macrolink.bc.ca Delivered-To: danb@macrolink.bc.ca Received: from iablyc.org (pool-71-243-183-244.bflony.east.verizon.net [71.243.183.244]) by mail.macrolink.bc.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 05FD21A834F for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:31:14 -0800 (PST) From: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org To: ezines@macrolink.bc.ca Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:31:08 UTC Subject: hi, ive a new mail address Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <7b027acc6.7f4594a740@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="====31b009f2f.8645" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [ Message body suppressed (exceeded 50000 bytes) ] --===============0440792479==-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 26 12:32:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D898016A41F for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:32:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81BF43D62 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:32:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A62A46B8F; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:32:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:32:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Eric Anderson In-Reply-To: <437C776B.6000705@centtech.com> Message-ID: <20051126123044.B81764@fledge.watson.org> References: <57416b300511162006m4cfe53f8n6dc2bccb877a5567@mail.gmail.com> <437C776B.6000705@centtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Peter Clutton , "mike@lanline.com" Subject: Re: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:32:34 -0000 On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Eric Anderson wrote: >> FWIW, i have read that by far the best is dump, because of the way it >> deals with the raw data. No need to worry bout files with holes in them >> (with other backup tools, this could mean you may not be able to fit >> the file system back on after backup, if there are core files etc) I >> believe i read this in the O'Rielly text Unix Power Tools, but could be >> wrong. They also referenced an extensive test that was done by someone, >> and gave the link. I will post it if i find it. > > rsync handles sparse files just fine. The problem I've had with rsync is that it wants to build a list of all files to be backed up. On my cyrus server, I have file systems with >6m files. This causes rsync to core dump when it discovers it can't allocate memory to hold the entire list at once. Recently I've taken to backing up with dump -L, as the snapshot facility means recovery after a failure is a lot easier -- you no longer have to worry about the fact that the first file in a directory might be backed up at 10:00am, and the second at 2:00pm, causing applications to get very upset. Robert N M Watson From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 26 13:02:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E39116A41F; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:02:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh1.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FFF43D4C; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:02:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [192.168.42.25] ([192.168.42.25]) by mh1.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQD218i088554; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:02:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <43885CB7.1070700@centtech.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:01:43 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051021 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Watson References: <57416b300511162006m4cfe53f8n6dc2bccb877a5567@mail.gmail.com> <437C776B.6000705@centtech.com> <20051126123044.B81764@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: <20051126123044.B81764@fledge.watson.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.82/1195/Fri Nov 25 03:29:55 2005 on mh1.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Backup solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:02:03 -0000 Robert Watson wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Eric Anderson wrote: > >>> FWIW, i have read that by far the best is dump, because of the way it >>> deals with the raw data. No need to worry bout files with holes in >>> them (with other backup tools, this could mean you may not be able to >>> fit the file system back on after backup, if there are core files >>> etc) I believe i read this in the O'Rielly text Unix Power Tools, but >>> could be wrong. They also referenced an extensive test that was done >>> by someone, and gave the link. I will post it if i find it. >> >> >> rsync handles sparse files just fine. > > > The problem I've had with rsync is that it wants to build a list of all > files to be backed up. On my cyrus server, I have file systems with >6m > files. This causes rsync to core dump when it discovers it can't > allocate memory to hold the entire list at once. > > Recently I've taken to backing up with dump -L, as the snapshot facility > means recovery after a failure is a lot easier -- you no longer have to > worry about the fact that the first file in a directory might be backed > up at 10:00am, and the second at 2:00pm, causing applications to get > very upset. Unfortunately, I don't have that option, since the servers I am backing up are linux machines with a custom filesystem that does not support snapshots. rsync is easy on the network, but hard on the disks. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------