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The following address(es) failed: : Message rejected by recipient. --===============1760736718== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Description: Original Message Return-Path: Delivered-To: woodland@onlink.net Received: (mail 16953 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2005 18:25:30 -0000 Received: from ontera18.ontera.net ([192.168.94.125]) by onlink7.onlink.net with QMQP; 18 Dec 2005 18:25:30 -0000 Delivered-To: CLUSTERHOST ontera18.ontera.net woodland@onlink.net Received: (mail 20261 invoked by uid 8000); 18 Dec 2005 18:25:29 -0000 Delivered-To: info@woodlandechoes.on.ca Received: (mail 20245 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2005 18:25:29 -0000 Received: from onlink7.onlink.net ([192.168.94.85]) by ontera18.ontera.net with QMQP; 18 Dec 2005 18:25:29 -0000 Delivered-To: CLUSTERHOST onlink7.onlink.net info@woodlandechoes.on.ca Received: (mail 16940 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2005 18:25:29 -0000 Received: from ip216-239-76-120.vif.net (HELO ihkvyc.org) ([216.239.76.120]) (envelope-sender ) by onlink7.onlink.net with SMTP for ; 18 Dec 2005 18:25:28 -0000 From: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org To: Z-User@woodlandechoes.on.ca Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:06:20 UTC Subject: hi, ive a new mail address Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <632dfcfb56.b66eccf@woodlandechoes.on.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="==682d5d.fa57ccaa2ec1f0e" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [ Message body suppressed (exceeded 50000 bytes) ] --===============1760736718==-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 19 22:25:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4C516A42D for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:25:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike@lanline.com) Received: from mail.lanline.com (mail.lanline.com [216.187.0.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625E843DB4 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:25:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike@lanline.com) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by mail.lanline.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id jBJMOtg09205 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:24:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:24:55 -0500 (EST) From: To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:25:37 -0000 One of the things that seems to be very vague to me is the FreeBSD upgrade procedure. I see that I can do a binary upgrade off the cd's, but I'm more curious about the source upgrade procedure. Does it do a through job (i.e. does it remove older non-existent binaries when upgrading)? Or should I only upgrade like that once or twice and do a fresh install after like the 3rd time? Also, is it a good idea to have one server that has CVSup running on the src and ports dir and then have all the other servers nfs mount those directories and do all the upgrades off of the one machines src and port dirs? Thanks in advance. -Mike From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 19 22:52:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF27616A422 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:52:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.9.190.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AB043D5D for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:52:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from lists by complx.LF.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EoTrw-000LBI-NL; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:52:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:52:36 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: mike@lanline.com Message-ID: <20051219225236.GU1429@complx.LF.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:52:38 -0000 Hi! > One of the things that seems to be very vague to me is the FreeBSD > upgrade procedure. I see that I can do a binary upgrade off the cd's, but > I'm more curious about the source upgrade procedure. Does it do a > through job (i.e. does it remove older non-existent binaries when > upgrading)? No, it does not remove older binaries. > Or should I only upgrade like that once or twice and do a > fresh install after like the 3rd time? I upgraded via source from 4.x to 6.x and old files do not cause problems. > Also, is it a good idea to have > one server that has CVSup running on the src and ports dir and then have > all the other servers nfs mount those directories and do all the upgrades > off of the one machines src and port dirs? This is how it can be done, yes. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 15 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 00:28:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1A116A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:28:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B5D43D88 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:28:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.13.5/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBK0SLVY016101 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:28:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.13.5/8.13.1/Submit) id jBK0SFd5016100 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:28:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:28:15 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051220002815.GB15974@wjv.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:28:30 -0000 They all laughed on Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 17:24 when mike@lanline.com said: > > One of the things that seems to be very vague to me is the FreeBSD > upgrade procedure. I see that I can do a binary upgrade off the cd's, but > I'm more curious about the source upgrade procedure. Does it do a > through job (i.e. does it remove older non-existent binaries when > upgrading)? Or should I only upgrade like that once or twice and do a > fresh install after like the 3rd time? Also, is it a good idea to have > one server that has CVSup running on the src and ports dir and then have > all the other servers nfs mount those directories and do all the upgrades > off of the one machines src and port dirs? If there are new binaries the same as the old ones, they are over-written. There aren't that many that are left when upgrades are done - but you can check by doing a reverse listing in the key directories /bin /sbin /etc. Since I maintain servers in a colo I've upgraded some all the way from 4.1 to/thru the 4.11 - all remotely - with never doing a fresh install. Before you do that test all your machines to make sure they will reliably boot remotely even if someone unplugs the keyboards or moves the KVMs around. As to having one CVSsup on one machine and using nfs for the others that is up to you. I don't run nfs on any of the machines, and run cvs on each server nightly. [I have 100Mbs links into a 40Gb backbone so there's no bandwidth problems]. Where you can run into stale binaries are things from ports where things change - and if you forget to perform portupgrade and just do a new install. Sometimes locations change. I'm still running 4.x on all the servers, and will probably move to the 6 series when 6.1 comes out and is stable. Since these are all production machines I tend to be overcautious. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 02:47:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEF816A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:47:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mail.localelinks.com (web.localelinks.com [64.39.75.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FA743D62 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:47:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (adsl-157-22-236.jan.bellsouth.net [70.157.22.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.localelinks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B472AD for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:47:13 -0600 (CST) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 8000361C21; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:47:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:47:11 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Bill Vermillion Message-ID: <20051220024711.GP63497@over-yonder.net> References: <20051220002815.GB15974@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051220002815.GB15974@wjv.com> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11-fullermd.2 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:47:15 -0000 On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 07:28:15PM -0500 I heard the voice of Bill Vermillion, and lo! it spake thus: > > As to having one CVSsup on one machine and using nfs for the others > that is up to you. I did this for years. Saved bandwidth (and load on the cvsup servers), saved disk space, saved processor, and saved me headaches trying to keep track of what built when. If you've got a bunch of systems that are otherwise fairly identical anyway, I'd recommend it. > Where you can run into stale binaries are things from ports where > things change- and if you forget to perform portupgrade and just do > a new install. Sometimes locations change. Ironically enough, I just last month or so had a major problem with a stale binary. I tried for a week to upgrade something gnome-related (libgnomeprint, I think?), and it kept bombing out in the build with really weird errors. I finally tracked it down to its dependancy on bison, which port wasn't even installed. And it didn't install the port because it found /usr/bin/bison (datestamp Dec 30, 1999) and used it. So, yes, doing a `ls -lt` every once in a while is a good thing... -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 02:58:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0855716A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:58:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491EE43D53 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:58:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.13.5/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBK2wjqI017258; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:58:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.13.5/8.13.1/Submit) id jBK2weZ1017257; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:58:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:58:40 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Message-ID: <20051220025840.GA17224@wjv.com> References: <20051220002815.GB15974@wjv.com> <20051220024711.GP63497@over-yonder.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051220024711.GP63497@over-yonder.net> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on bilver.wjv.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:58:49 -0000 I know you'll find this hard to believe, but on Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 20:47 , Matthew D. Fuller actually admitted to saying: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 07:28:15PM -0500 I heard the voice of > Bill Vermillion, and lo! it spake thus: > > As to having one CVSsup on one machine and using nfs for the others > > that is up to you. > I did this for years. Saved bandwidth (and load on the cvsup > servers), saved disk space, saved processor, and saved me headaches > trying to keep track of what built when. If you've got a bunch of > systems that are otherwise fairly identical anyway, I'd recommend it. All mine do the CVSup in the wee hours of the morning and I'm on Level 3 backbone - and we haven't hit our bandwidth cap yet - even with one server that is always #1 on Google and MS. > > Where you can run into stale binaries are things from ports where > > things change- and if you forget to perform portupgrade and just do > > a new install. Sometimes locations change. > Ironically enough, I just last month or so had a major problem with a > stale binary. I tried for a week to upgrade something gnome-related > (libgnomeprint, I think?), and it kept bombing out in the build with > really weird errors. I finally tracked it down to its dependancy on > bison, which port wasn't even installed. And it didn't install the > port because it found /usr/bin/bison (datestamp Dec 30, 1999) and used > it. So, yes, doing a `ls -lt` every once in a while is a good > thing... Ah - that rings a bell - an out of tune bell :-). But in my case slightly inverted. I had soemthing that needed to update Bison and it kept failing with gmake ?? which was called in the upgrade process. I started saving saving logs and found when it dropped into a sub-directory it lost the global varialbes it was expecting [or something similar to that]. I had failures on 5 different servers. And I went to the 6th server - a newer one - and things just flew right along. This was about 2 weeks after trying to find the problems on the other servers. It turns out that while I was using the KSH - the real one from David Korn - the machine that worked had a newer version of ksh93. And update on the other machines fixed that one. A new Bison built and everything was fine. Unix systems are the greatest adventure game the world has seen. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 12:31:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0028F16A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:31:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from thorn.pobox.com (api.pobox.com [208.210.124.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E44843D46 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:31:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from thorn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thorn.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D452FA2; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mappit.local.linnet.org (212-74-113-67.static.dsl.as9105.com [212.74.113.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by thorn.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57177365E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists by mappit.local.linnet.org with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EogeY-000DPs-7s; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:31:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:31:38 +0000 From: Brian Candler To: Bill Vermillion Message-ID: <20051220123137.GA51558@uk.tiscali.com> References: <20051220002815.GB15974@wjv.com> <20051220024711.GP63497@over-yonder.net> <20051220025840.GA17224@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051220025840.GA17224@wjv.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, "Matthew D. Fuller" Subject: Re: upgrades X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:31:44 -0000 On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 09:58:40PM -0500, Bill Vermillion wrote: > All mine do the CVSup in the wee hours of the morning and I'm on > Level 3 backbone - and we haven't hit our bandwidth cap yet - even > with one server that is always #1 on Google and MS. It's also very easy indeed to set up your own local cvsup mirror: # cd /usr/ports/net/cvsup-mirror # make # make install From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 16:35:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558AC16A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:35:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bostondriver@comcast.net) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FE243D58 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:35:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bostondriver@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter58.comcast.net ([204.127.205.158]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005122016352101300onb3pe>; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:35:21 +0000 Received: from [63.160.138.52] by smailcenter58.comcast.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:35:20 +0000 From: bostondriver@comcast.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:35:20 +0000 Message-Id: <122020051635.14761.43A832C8000DE4BB000039A922058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Ym9zdG9uZHJpdmVyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:35:23 -0000 Hi, Are the any ISP's (FreeBSD based hopefully) that run sshd on port 443? I'm now going to sites that put one in http proxy hell. I need to ssh out using OpenSSH's ProxyCommand feature. The only port out is 443. Thanks. BD From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 16:39:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8066A16A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:39:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krion@voodoo.bawue.com) Received: from voodoo.bawue.com (voodoo.bawue.com [212.9.161.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B007D43D4C for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:39:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krion@voodoo.bawue.com) Received: from krion by voodoo.bawue.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EokWh-0009zP-Py; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:39:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:39:47 +0100 From: Kirill Ponomarew To: bostondriver@comcast.net Message-ID: <20051220163947.GU2396@voodoo.bawue.com> References: <122020051635.14761.43A832C8000DE4BB000039A922058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <122020051635.14761.43A832C8000DE4BB000039A922058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> X-NCC-Regid: de.oberon X-NIC-HDL: KP869-RIPE Keywords: 477273987 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:39:44 -0000 On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 04:35:20PM +0000, bostondriver@comcast.net wrote: > Hi, > > Are the any ISP's (FreeBSD based hopefully) that run sshd on port 443? Yes, I'm running sshd on 443 on the local machine. Any troubles with it ? > I'm now going to sites that put one in http proxy hell. I need to > ssh out using OpenSSH's ProxyCommand feature. The only port out > is 443. -Kirill From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 17:37:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91A916A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:37:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: from kerplunk.tbe.net (kerplunk.tbe.net [209.123.115.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D9F43D62 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:37:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: by kerplunk.tbe.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B111A5D09; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kerplunk.tbe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69165CEB; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:33:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Kirill Ponomarew In-Reply-To: <20051220163947.GU2396@voodoo.bawue.com> Message-ID: <20051220123052.O46528@kerplunk.tbe.net> References: <122020051635.14761.43A832C8000DE4BB000039A922058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> <20051220163947.GU2396@voodoo.bawue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bostondriver@comcast.net Subject: Re: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:37:04 -0000 I run an instance of sshd on port 443 as well on most of my servers, due to firewall restrictions at some of my clients' sites. Mostly all of my servers are FreeBSD, 4.x and 5.x, usually -STABLE branch. The only problem I have run into is if I'm running web services (apache in my case), I have to bind to specific IP's and ports in the apache conf on the machine, as if you let it try to bind to all addresses, Apache conflicts with sshd. Other than that, I've been running it like that for almost 2 years now. -Gary On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Kirill Ponomarew wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 04:35:20PM +0000, bostondriver@comcast.net wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Are the any ISP's (FreeBSD based hopefully) that run sshd on port 443? > > Yes, I'm running sshd on 443 on the local machine. Any troubles > with it ? > >> I'm now going to sites that put one in http proxy hell. I need to >> ssh out using OpenSSH's ProxyCommand feature. The only port out >> is 443. > > -Kirill > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 18:25:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C6616A41F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:25:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bostondriver@comcast.net) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841C743D6D for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:25:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bostondriver@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter58.comcast.net ([204.127.205.158]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051220182536012007rdoee>; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:25:37 +0000 Received: from [63.160.138.52] by smailcenter58.comcast.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:25:35 +0000 From: bostondriver@comcast.net To: "Gary D. Margiotta" , Kirill Ponomarew Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:25:35 +0000 Message-Id: <122020051825.16207.43A84C9F000C3FF300003F4F22058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Ym9zdG9uZHJpdmVyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:25:57 -0000 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Gary D. Margiotta" > I run an instance of sshd on port 443 as well on most of my servers, due > to firewall restrictions at some of my clients' sites. Mostly all of my > servers are FreeBSD, 4.x and 5.x, usually -STABLE branch. I do this too - I know it works. I'm looking to pay a "hosting provider", that uses sshd on port 443, for shell access. Numerous "web hosting" companies advertise ssh as part of their solutions, but none I can find will run sshd on port 443, even for an extra fee. 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From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 21 14:32:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E2816A41F for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:32:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B4643D68 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:31:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 02F6A119CC; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id A33C61A0898; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:31:45 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17321.26449.603277.510191@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:31:45 -0500 From: freebsd-lists@dclg.ca To: bostondriver@comcast.net In-Reply-To: <122020051635.14761.43A832C8000DE4BB000039A922058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> References: <122020051635.14761.43A832C8000DE4BB000039A922058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 17) "Jumbo Shrimp" XEmacs Lucid Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:32:06 -0000 >>>>> "bostondriver" == bostondriver writes: bostondriver> Hi, Are the any ISP's (FreeBSD based hopefully) that run bostondriver> sshd on port 443? bostondriver> I'm now going to sites that put one in http proxy hell. bostondriver> I need to ssh out using OpenSSH's ProxyCommand feature. bostondriver> The only port out is 443. Some friends run a shell server. "vex.net" ... here in Toronto. They're FreeBSD and they're clued... and a shell account isn't too expensive. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 21 18:40:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8874216A41F for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jett@angdatingdaan.org) Received: from mail.emediaone.net (orion.emediaone.net [203.208.226.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE0943D45 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jett@angdatingdaan.org) Received: from mail.emediaone.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.emediaone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7F7450AB; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:35:02 +0800 (SGT) Received: by mail.emediaone.net (Postfix, from userid 1017) id 2829D450A8; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:35:02 +0800 (SGT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on orion.emediaone.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from mail.angdatingdaan.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.emediaone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211374503A; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:34:58 +0800 (SGT) Received: from mach10.chikka.com ([202.175.229.210]) by mail.angdatingdaan.org with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:34:58 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <62080.202.175.229.210.1135190098.squirrel@mail.angdatingdaan.org> In-Reply-To: <20051220123052.O46528@kerplunk.tbe.net> References: <122020051635.14761.43A832C8000DE4BB000039A922058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> <20051220163947.GU2396@voodoo.bawue.com> <20051220123052.O46528@kerplunk.tbe.net> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:34:58 +0800 (SGT) From: "Jett Tayer" To: "Gary D. Margiotta" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: AMaVis Content Filter Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Kirill Ponomarew , bostondriver@comcast.net Subject: Re: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:18 -0000 provided you will be running ssl-enabled web services. but if not, apache and sshd running on port 443 will work without a hitch. > I run an instance of sshd on port 443 as well on most of my servers, due > to firewall restrictions at some of my clients' sites. Mostly all of my > servers are FreeBSD, 4.x and 5.x, usually -STABLE branch. > > The only problem I have run into is if I'm running web services (apache in > my case), I have to bind to specific IP's and ports in the apache conf on > the machine, as if you let it try to bind to all addresses, Apache > conflicts with sshd. Other than that, I've been running it like that for > almost 2 years now. > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 21 18:58:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9AF16A42F for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:58:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from charles@hatvany.com) Received: from forty.hatvany.com (forty.hatvany.com [66.203.80.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292B843DDE for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:57:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from charles@hatvany.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.0.0.2]) by forty.hatvany.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBLIv5qP014771 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:57:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from charles@hatvany.com) Message-ID: <43A9A57E.7020503@hatvany.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:57:02 -0500 From: Charles Hatvany User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Wholesale Dial-up provider X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:58:43 -0000 Hi, Does anyone know of a reliable and relatively inexpensive wholesale dial-up provider. I have about 20 such clients. I have been using Flexpop/Fastech and they do not seem to be there any more. Thanks, Charles Hatvany From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 21 18:59:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD9C16A449 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:58:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: from kerplunk.tbe.net (kerplunk.tbe.net [209.123.115.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB26C43D4C for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:58:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: by kerplunk.tbe.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 757CC5D56; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kerplunk.tbe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376B55D4F; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:55:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:55:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Jett Tayer In-Reply-To: <62080.202.175.229.210.1135190098.squirrel@mail.angdatingdaan.org> Message-ID: <20051221135439.R53299@kerplunk.tbe.net> References: <122020051635.14761.43A832C8000DE4BB000039A922058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> <20051220163947.GU2396@voodoo.bawue.com> <20051220123052.O46528@kerplunk.tbe.net> <62080.202.175.229.210.1135190098.squirrel@mail.angdatingdaan.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Kirill Ponomarew , bostondriver@comcast.net Subject: Re: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:59:01 -0000 Yep, sorry I left that specific out. -Gary On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Jett Tayer wrote: > provided you will be running ssl-enabled web services. > but if not, apache and sshd running on port 443 will > work without a hitch. > > > >> I run an instance of sshd on port 443 as well on most of my servers, due >> to firewall restrictions at some of my clients' sites. Mostly all of my >> servers are FreeBSD, 4.x and 5.x, usually -STABLE branch. >> >> The only problem I have run into is if I'm running web services (apache in >> my case), I have to bind to specific IP's and ports in the apache conf on >> the machine, as if you let it try to bind to all addresses, Apache >> conflicts with sshd. Other than that, I've been running it like that for >> almost 2 years now. >> > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 21 19:03:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458D516A420 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:03:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gemini@geminix.org) Received: from gen129.n001.c02.escapebox.net (gen129.n001.c02.escapebox.net [213.73.91.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F1B43D5D for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:03:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gemini@geminix.org) Message-ID: <43A9A6FD.3040104@geminix.org> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:03:25 +0100 From: Uwe Doering Organization: Private UNIX Site User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051218 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bostondriver@comcast.net References: <122020051825.16207.43A84C9F000C3FF300003F4F22058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <122020051825.16207.43A84C9F000C3FF300003F4F22058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from gemini by geminix.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1Ep9FG-000Obp-GA; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:03:26 +0100 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:03:30 -0000 bostondriver@comcast.net wrote: > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Gary D. Margiotta" > >>I run an instance of sshd on port 443 as well on most of my servers, due >>to firewall restrictions at some of my clients' sites. Mostly all of my >>servers are FreeBSD, 4.x and 5.x, usually -STABLE branch. > > I do this too - I know it works. > > I'm looking to pay a "hosting provider", that uses sshd on port 443, for shell access. Numerous "web hosting" companies advertise ssh as part of their solutions, but none I can find will run sshd on port 443, even for an extra fee. Well, I can't tell whether it would be overkill, but you may want to take a look at our server boxes (see URL in my signature). There you can run SSHD on whatever port you like. Uwe -- Uwe Doering | EscapeBox - Managed On-Demand UNIX Servers gemini@geminix.org | http://www.escapebox.net From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 21 19:24:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4218416A429 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:24:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andreasf@uniserve.com) Received: from mx6.uniserve.ca (mx6.uniserve.ca [216.113.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF5443D6B for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:23:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andreasf@uniserve.com) Received: from andreas.office.uniserve.ca ([216.113.208.217] helo=EXT2602) by mx6.uniserve.ca with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ep9Yr-000GH1-9K; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:23:41 -0800 From: "Andreas Freyvogel" To: "Charles Hatvany" , Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:22:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43A9A57E.7020503@hatvany.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Scanner: OK. Scanned. Cc: Subject: RE: Wholesale Dial-up provider X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:24:10 -0000 for what area? -Andreas --- System Administrator Uniserve Communications Corp. Vancouver, BC direct: 604.647.0602 cell: 604.308.2497 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Charles Hatvany Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:57 AM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Wholesale Dial-up provider Hi, Does anyone know of a reliable and relatively inexpensive wholesale dial-up provider. I have about 20 such clients. I have been using Flexpop/Fastech and they do not seem to be there any more. Thanks, Charles Hatvany _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 22 02:50:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E68716A41F for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:50:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840D643D5A for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:50:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19D962C8A3; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:50:44 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75079-06; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:50:44 -0400 (AST) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-222-82-85.eastlink.ca [24.222.82.85]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2047B62C87E; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:50:44 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A4F3E3A1F0; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:50:48 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA7839D6F; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:50:48 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:50:48 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Uwe Doering In-Reply-To: <43A9A6FD.3040104@geminix.org> Message-ID: <20051221225004.K1087@ganymede.hub.org> References: <122020051825.16207.43A84C9F000C3FF300003F4F22058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> <43A9A6FD.3040104@geminix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bostondriver@comcast.net Subject: Re: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:50:46 -0000 We provide you with a complete vServer, with full root, so you can easily configure ssh to run on port 443 if you wish ... we have several clients doing SMTP on port 26 due to their ISPs firewalling 25 :( http://www.hub.org On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Uwe Doering wrote: > bostondriver@comcast.net wrote: >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: "Gary D. Margiotta" >> >>> I run an instance of sshd on port 443 as well on most of my servers, due >>> to firewall restrictions at some of my clients' sites. Mostly all of my >>> servers are FreeBSD, 4.x and 5.x, usually -STABLE branch. >> >> I do this too - I know it works. >> I'm looking to pay a "hosting provider", that uses sshd on port 443, for >> shell access. Numerous "web hosting" companies advertise ssh as part of >> their solutions, but none I can find will run sshd on port 443, even for an >> extra fee. > > Well, I can't tell whether it would be overkill, but you may want to take a > look at our server boxes (see URL in my signature). There you can run SSHD > on whatever port you like. > > Uwe > -- > Uwe Doering | EscapeBox - Managed On-Demand UNIX Servers > gemini@geminix.org | http://www.escapebox.net > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 22 13:20:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558C816A420 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:20:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from thorn.pobox.com (api.pobox.com [208.210.124.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE2743D53 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:20:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from thorn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thorn.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E04FD for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mappit.local.linnet.org (212-74-113-67.static.dsl.as9105.com [212.74.113.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by thorn.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A73175D for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists by mappit.local.linnet.org with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EpQN7-0000kg-Tp for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:20:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:20:41 +0000 From: Brian Candler To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051222132041.GA2830@uk.tiscali.com> References: <122020051635.14761.43A832C8000DE4BB000039A922058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> <17321.26449.603277.510191@canoe.dclg.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17321.26449.603277.510191@canoe.dclg.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:20:45 -0000 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > bostondriver> Hi, Are the any ISP's (FreeBSD based hopefully) that run > bostondriver> sshd on port 443? > > bostondriver> I'm now going to sites that put one in http proxy hell. > bostondriver> I need to ssh out using OpenSSH's ProxyCommand feature. > bostondriver> The only port out is 443. If you're not interested in ssh features like port-forwarding you can always just install a shell as a CGI :-) Modify the attached to suit your own authentication requirements. I don't know if someone has written a proper ssh over HTTP(S) tunnel. I have seen ssh over DNS though... --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 22 14:38:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92BB16A41F for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:38:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@yazzy.org) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (mail.yazzy.org [217.8.140.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6396C43D5C for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:38:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@yazzy.org) Received: from [84.247.144.144] (helo=lapdance.yazzy.net) by mail.yazzy.org with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (YazzY.org) id 1EpRZy-0001q4-Dq; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:38:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:37:42 +0000 From: Marcin Jessa To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-Id: <20051222143742.35ca8524.lists@yazzy.org> In-Reply-To: <20051221225004.K1087@ganymede.hub.org> References: <122020051825.16207.43A84C9F000C3FF300003F4F22058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> <43A9A6FD.3040104@geminix.org> <20051221225004.K1087@ganymede.hub.org> Organization: YazzY.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.4 (GTK+ 2.8.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bostondriver@comcast.net Subject: Re: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:38:42 -0000 On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:50:48 -0400 (AST) "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > We provide you with a complete vServer, with full root, so you can > easily configure ssh to run on port 443 if you wish ... we have > several clients doing SMTP on port 26 due to their ISPs firewalling > 25 :( > > http://www.hub.org www.server4you.de has the best prices I have seen so far. The website is in German but you can order from countries outside of .de. > On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Uwe Doering wrote: > > > bostondriver@comcast.net wrote: > >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- > >> From: "Gary D. Margiotta" > >> > >>> I run an instance of sshd on port 443 as well on most of my > >>> servers, due to firewall restrictions at some of my clients' > >>> sites. Mostly all of my servers are FreeBSD, 4.x and 5.x, > >>> usually -STABLE branch. > >> > >> I do this too - I know it works. > >> I'm looking to pay a "hosting provider", that uses sshd on port > >> 443, for shell access. Numerous "web hosting" companies > >> advertise ssh as part of their solutions, but none I can find will > >> run sshd on port 443, even for an extra fee. > > > > Well, I can't tell whether it would be overkill, but you may want > > to take a look at our server boxes (see URL in my signature). > > There you can run SSHD on whatever port you like. > > > > Uwe > > -- > > Uwe Doering | EscapeBox - Managed On-Demand UNIX Servers > > gemini@geminix.org | http://www.escapebox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services > (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: > yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, > send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 22 15:37:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B857416A41F for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:37:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from thorn.pobox.com (api.pobox.com [208.210.124.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C81243D60 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:37:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from thorn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thorn.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F300E7; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mappit.local.linnet.org (212-74-113-67.static.dsl.as9105.com [212.74.113.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by thorn.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5BF2A35; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from brian by mappit.local.linnet.org with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EpSVL-0000qo-Gj; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:37:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:37:19 +0000 From: Brian Candler To: Marcin Jessa Message-ID: <20051222153719.GA3259@uk.tiscali.com> References: <122020051635.14761.43A832C8000DE4BB000039A922058863609D0A90079D0B02019B9C010D@comcast.net> <17321.26449.603277.510191@canoe.dclg.ca> <20051222132041.GA2830@uk.tiscali.com> <20051222143213.0b98e6c2.lists@yazzy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051222143213.0b98e6c2.lists@yazzy.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP's supporting sshd on port 443? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:37:24 -0000 On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 02:32:13PM +0000, Marcin Jessa wrote: > The attached what? Perl script, cgish.pl. Maybe I forgot to attach it. Here it is in-line: #!/usr/bin/perl use CGI; $a = $ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}; if ($a ne "127.0.0.1" and $a ne "192.168.1.1") { print "Content-Type: text/html\n\n"; print "Permission denied"; exit; } $c = new CGI; $p = $c->param("command"); $d = $c->param("cwd"); chdir($d) if $d; if ($p =~ /^cd(\s+(.*))$/) { chdir($2) if $2; chomp($d = `pwd`); $p = "pwd"; } $| = 1; print "Content-Type: text/html\n\n"; print "Enter command: $d
\n"; if ($p) { print "
\n";
  system($p. " 2>&1 | sed -e 's/&/\\&/g' -e 's//\\>/g'");
  print "
\n"; } From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 22 17:45:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7A216A41F for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:45:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rafael@vivavallarta.net) Received: from secure3-hosting.net (secure3-hosting.net [209.239.32.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A273943D4C for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:45:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rafael@vivavallarta.net) Received: (from vivavall@localhost) by secure3-hosting.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) id jBMHjRlo027140; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:45:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:45:28 -0500 From: rafael@vivavallarta.net Message-Id: <200512221745.jBMHjRlo027140@secure3-hosting.net> X-Authentication-Warning: secure3-hosting.net: vivavall set sender to rafael@vivavallarta.net using -f To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <200512221745.jBMHjN5q026975@secure3-hosting.net> In-Reply-To: <200512221745.jBMHjN5q026975@secure3-hosting.net> X-Loop: outOfSpace Precedence: junk Subject: MESSAGE NOT DELIVERED: Mail Delivery (failure rafael@vivavallarta.net) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:45:31 -0000 Your message could not be delivered. The User is out of space. Please try to send your message again at a later time.