From owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 21:55:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A56416A41F; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:55:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from afields@afields.ca) Received: from afields.ca (afields.ca [216.194.67.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C362443D46; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:55:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from afields@afields.ca) Received: from afields.ca (localhost.afields.ca [127.0.0.1]) by afields.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7LLtfSM081489; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:55:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from afields@afields.ca) Received: (from afields@localhost) by afields.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j7LLteS7081488; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:55:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from afields) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:55:40 -0400 From: Allan Fields To: Mike Adewole Message-ID: <20050821215540.GC58723@afields.ca> References: <00d101c5a570$7b322050$6501a8c0@newton> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00d101c5a570$7b322050$6501a8c0@newton> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Cc: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated to libh code development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:55:42 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 06:18:13AM -0400, Mike Adewole wrote: > For many people who spend a lot of time on the *BSD console and would love > to have a desktop environment comparable to KDE/GNOME, I'm starting a > project called BSDVISION to develop such an environment. Please don't ask if > such an environment is really needed or not; the important thing is that > some people like me need it badly enough to want to develop it. And here I thought you were talking about a desktop for us vt220 fans. There is already screen or emacs on that front. What about twin for example? What exactly is meant by a "console" desktop anyway other than something similar to early Windows that runs w/o X11? Can you also make a Unicode console for *BSD please? ;) > As a matter of fact, it has been in development for some time now and I > think it's getting to the point where it makes sense to ask for community > involvement. But I'm not looking for developers because development will > continue to be done by myself with the assistance of paid contractors. What > I'm looking for is people to maintain a community infrastructure (web site, > mailing list, online forum, webcvs/svn, etc) which a community project like > this needs in order to appeal to as many people as possible. > > So if you love the BSD console and would like to see it sport a complete > desktop environment, the bsdvision project can really use your support. And > since this project developed from an attempt to do a cleanroom > implementation of libh, we'll be using the old libh mailing list until we > have another one. Come help us make *BSD a truly complete platform with the > best console desktop environment in the universe :-) -- Allan Fields From owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 23:45:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659D416A41F for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:45:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adewole@sympatico.ca) Received: from BAYC1-PASMTP04.bayc1.hotmail.com (bayc1-pasmtp04.bayc1.hotmail.com [65.54.191.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B1943D53 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:45:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adewole@sympatico.ca) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.158.177.143] X-Originating-Email: [adewole@sympatico.ca] Received: from newton ([69.158.177.143]) by BAYC1-PASMTP04.bayc1.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:45:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c5a6ab$83d83410$6501a8c0@newton> From: "Mike Adewole" To: "Allan Fields" References: <00d101c5a570$7b322050$6501a8c0@newton> <20050821215540.GC58723@afields.ca> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:53:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2005 23:45:19.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[6372B480:01C5A6AA] Cc: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated to libh code development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:45:20 -0000 From: "Allan Fields" To: "Mike Adewole" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop > On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 06:18:13AM -0400, Mike Adewole wrote: > > For many people who spend a lot of time on the *BSD console and would love > > to have a desktop environment comparable to KDE/GNOME, I'm starting a > > project called BSDVISION to develop such an environment. Please don't ask if > > such an environment is really needed or not; the important thing is that > > some people like me need it badly enough to want to develop it. > > And here I thought you were talking about a desktop for us vt220 fans. > There is already screen or emacs on that front. What about twin > for example? > > What exactly is meant by a "console" desktop anyway other than > something similar to early Windows that runs w/o X11? > > Can you also make a Unicode console for *BSD please? ;) > -- > Allan Fields > It's also for vt220 fans, actually, and quite similar to twin. "Console" desktop means a desktop for vt220 fans that can run on text terminals but also run on graphics hardware if available. Oh, and you'll be *pleased* to know the project supports unicode so we don't need a separate project for that :-) Cheers, Mike From owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 06:58:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E041116A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:58:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamalpr@yahoo.com) Received: from web52714.mail.yahoo.com (web52714.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AE7443D46 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:58:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamalpr@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13782 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2005 06:58:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bPLlTt5nyVo9qAYZjwEgdojT3w0g5/D4/YK9iqpNVuu/0ZGTUEnXd1NTEl/15FLVCSWTpQ/DvjpTPzgHTtatiy1c/ujBlv529l8Qym+EKfF+DZFawMLp/a2gf6u2gWbKTLzjc8cwmSdSPIBaf2PhhyNL1RLtf1YnvASSoCdNF+Y= ; Message-ID: <20050822065854.13780.qmail@web52714.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [221.128.128.140] by web52714.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:58:54 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kamal R. Prasad" To: Allan Fields , Mike Adewole In-Reply-To: <20050821215540.GC58723@afields.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: kamalp@acm.org List-Id: Dedicated to libh code development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:58:58 -0000 > > And here I thought you were talking about a desktop > for us vt220 fans. > There is already screen or emacs on that front. A GUI has more than what emacs provides. > What about twin > for example? > close to what they are doing. > What exactly is meant by a "console" desktop anyway > other than > something similar to early Windows that runs w/o > X11? > It presumes the resources are present on the same machine rather than across the network as envisaged by the athena project. > Can you also make a Unicode console for *BSD please? > ;) If they get to developing their own fonts -they might. regards -kamal ------------------------------------------------------------ Kamal R. Prasad UNIX systems consultant http://www.kamalprasad.com/ kamalp@acm.org In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 02:41:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343FF16A41F for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:41:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adewole@sympatico.ca) Received: from BAYC1-PASMTP03.bayc1.hotmail.com (bayc1-pasmtp03.bayc1.hotmail.com [65.54.191.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E543243D46 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:41:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adewole@sympatico.ca) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.48.39.43] X-Originating-Email: [adewole@sympatico.ca] Received: from newton ([70.48.39.43]) by BAYC1-PASMTP03.bayc1.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:41:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c5a78d$535c4370$6501a8c0@newton> From: "Mike Adewole" To: "Igor Pokrovsky" References: <20050821083920.4674.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com> <20050821185825.GA702@doom.homeunix.org> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:45:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2005 02:41:39.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[3011A550:01C5A78C] Cc: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated to libh code development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:41:41 -0000 From: "Igor Pokrovsky" To: Cc: "Mike Adewole" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop > On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 01:39:20AM -0700, Kamal R. Prasad wrote: > > > It will be running on a virtual console in text or > > > graphics mode like > > > TurboVision used to, but we are focusing on text > > > mode for now. As I just > > > wrote to someone else, the main idea is to enable > > > BSD programs to have a > > > nice console (textual and graphical) interface with > > > and without any windows > > > system. So I could have a standalone program that > > > > Thst would be great to have and extend to a > > full-fledged GUI interface as X is overkill for lots > > of people. BTW -does it use drivers for graphics > > accelerator cards? > > Heh, what are you going to accelerate in text mode? 8-) > > -ip > > -- > Go where the money is. > "Console" includes text mode but does not necessarily exclude graphics mode. Haven't you seen turbovision running in graphics mode ? We may eventually have to deal with accelerator cards but that's a looong way off. Cheers, Mike