From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 01:26:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BCB16A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:26:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78ED43D3F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:26:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050130012611i91001ogife>; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:26:12 +0000 Message-ID: <41FC37B2.7020501@nbritton.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:26:10 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mrad James Deane References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel compile problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:26:13 -0000 Mrad James Deane wrote: > Hi,i have follow the freebsd handbook on how to compile a kernel but i > have a problem : > when compile : i have the following message : > make:don't know how to make buildkernel.Stop > i'm using freebsd 5.2.1 release and i have removed NoAtm=true on > make.conf > Plz help, > Thanks > > You are using the wrong procedure, buildkernel is used only when building world (nevermind, I looked at the handbook, this is the "new way"), I personally do it the "old way" and its never failed me: cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf config MYKERNEL cd ../compile/MYKERNEL make depend && make && make install It's only one more line then the new way, in fact I could do it all on one line if I wanted: cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf && config MYKERNEL && cd ../compile/MYKERNEL && make depend && make && make install You can do the same thing with the "new way" too: cd /usr/src && make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL && make installkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL if you set KERNCONF in /etc/make.conf you could leave that out, then you would have this: cd /usr/src && make buildkernel && make installkernel If your wondering what "&&" does, it means do this and then do that but only if the first command worked (has an exit status of zero, aka true). The opposite would be "||", what that means is do this if the first command failed (has an exit status of non-zero, aka false). What Hexren said "you need to cd into /usr/src" is most likey true. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 30 08:10:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BA016A4CE; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:10:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ACE43D31; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A06592D; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26328-01; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6353958FD; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050130081005.6353958FD@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-09 - 2005-01-29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:10:21 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Whilst I may not have been much of a user of these mailing lists, I have been quite happy with the standards and quality of the information provided. Indeed, if I can find a life equivalent for "RTFM", I would use everyday. Alas, as the title says, I am leaving FreeBSD for the wonders of Linux. The reasoning behind this is one of convenience; months ago, I was alone here in my hometown, playing and tinkering with FreeBSD. Then the store I am employed at moved me up the ladder to Leading Salesman (or something like that, effectively, I knew all the front part of the store - where things are, how much to sell them - so I can train the freshmeat that walks in). Suddenly, the server started playing up and it is on Linux (RedHat 7, I believe). Well, despite being a computer store and despite having three full-time technicians and one full-time system builder, I was the _ONLY_ one with *nix skills - of any kind. Me, the salesman. In the end, we upgraded the system completely, to Debian (and no, I wasn't involved) and now, to cut down costs, the boss has politely asked me to learn more about Linux in general, so that I can help out in any future problems. So, I overwrote my FreeBSD HDD (*sigh*) and installed Fedora Core 3 - a nice and easy one to get my feet wet. Actually, compared to FreeBSD, this Linux is a bit of a walk in the park. So, I shall be leaving these hallowed halls - whilst I do have two HDDs, one must be kept for Windows (so that I can answer customers questions) - I shall try to return one day when I have more time and less pressure from work. Gentlemen and ladies (I assume there are some here ;-) ), it has been a pleasure and I shall return - I hope - in the near future. ... Unless a Grue or penguin eats me ... Regards, Mick (One of possibly only two *BSD users in the entire Central Queensland region of Australia) "Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard, be evil." From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 05:12:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7781716A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:12:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B20F43D45 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:12:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from meka@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 15461 invoked by uid 417); 31 Jan 2005 05:12:09 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 05:12:09 -0000 Received: from hal9000 ([82.208.205.158]) (AUTH: LOGIN meka@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:11:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:19:13 +0100 From: "Meka[ni]" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050201071913.5b50239b@hal9000> In-Reply-To: <002101c5074c$7862ffb0$0301a8c0@creativity> References: <20050130120113.6619D16A4D8@hub.freebsd.org> <002101c5074c$7862ffb0$0301a8c0@creativity> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Leaving FreeBSD for Linux - Please Don't Hurt Me X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:12:10 -0000 On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:22:26 +1000 "Beastie" wrote: > Greetings !!! > > Whilst I may not have been much of a user of these mailing lists, I have > been quite happy with the standards and quality of the information provided. > Indeed, if I can find a life equivalent for "RTFM", I would use everyday. > > Alas, as the title says, I am leaving FreeBSD for the wonders of Linux. The > reasoning behind this is one of convenience; months ago, I was alone here in > my hometown, playing and tinkering with FreeBSD. Then the store I am > employed at moved me up the ladder to Leading Salesman (or something like > that, effectively, I knew all the front part of the store - where things > are, how much to sell them - so I can train the freshmeat that walks in). > Suddenly, the server started playing up and it is on Linux (RedHat 7, I > believe). Well, despite being a computer store and despite having three > full-time technicians and one full-time system builder, I was the _ONLY_ one > with *nix skills - of any kind. Me, the salesman. > > In the end, we upgraded the system completely, to Debian (and no, I wasn't > involved) and now, to cut down costs, the boss has politely asked me to > learn more about Linux in general, so that I can help out in any future > problems. So, I overwrote my FreeBSD HDD (*sigh*) and installed Fedora Core > 3 - a nice and easy one to get my feet wet. Actually, compared to FreeBSD, > this Linux is a bit of a walk in the park. > > So, I shall be leaving these hallowed halls - whilst I do have two HDDs, one > must be kept for Windows (so that I can answer customers questions) - I > shall try to return one day when I have more time and less pressure from > work. > > Gentlemen and ladies (I assume there are some here ;-) ), it has been a > pleasure and I shall return - I hope - in the near future. ... Unless a Grue > or penguin eats me ... > > Regards, > > Mick > (One of possibly only two *BSD users in the entire Central Queensland region > of Australia) > > "Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard, be evil." > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" If the ports are one of the things you like on FreeBSD and you would like to have them on Linux try Gentoo. www.gentoo.org. At least something to remind you on a nice days of FreeBSD. just one question. Why don't you get some pentium just for FreeBSD? I use pentium-mmx 133MHz just as a gateway and to be one of those guys that try to make portable things. But the main reason is that ipfw is much more powerful than iptables. _________________ Sometimes we want so much to explain, that we forget about the five senses we have and that could be better ways of communication than words _________________ Sometimes we want so much to explain, that we forget about the five senses we have and that could be better ways of communication than words From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 31 18:26:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B9716A4CE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:26:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E8443D31 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:26:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])j0VIQ2be024947; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:26:07 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) j0VIPwns002685; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:25:58 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)j0VIPtJY002684; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:25:55 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:25:55 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Beastie Message-ID: <20050131182555.GA2629@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20050130120113.6619D16A4D8@hub.freebsd.org> <002101c5074c$7862ffb0$0301a8c0@creativity> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002101c5074c$7862ffb0$0301a8c0@creativity> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Leaving FreeBSD for Linux - Please Don't Hurt Me X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:26:09 -0000 On 2005-01-31 14:22, Beastie wrote: > [...] now, to cut down costs, the boss has politely asked me to learn > more about Linux in general, so that I can help out in any future > problems. So, I overwrote my FreeBSD HDD (*sigh*) and installed > Fedora Core 3 - a nice and easy one to get my feet wet. Actually, > compared to FreeBSD, this Linux is a bit of a walk in the park. > > So, I shall be leaving these hallowed halls - whilst I do have two > HDDs, one must be kept for Windows (so that I can answer customers > questions) - I shall try to return one day when I have more time and > less pressure from work. > > Gentlemen and ladies (I assume there are some here ;-) ), it has been > a pleasure and I shall return - I hope - in the near future... Unless > a Grue or penguin eats me ... That was a great post. Thank you. I've been in this position in the past too. One of my contracts involved developing on Linux, when only 1 partition was available on the development machine I had at home. Returning to Slackware after several years of FreeBSD was a bit of a pain, especially whenever I had to install third-party software. I'm back to using FreeBSD now, though. May you find the chance to return to the FreeBSD "company" too :-) If FreeBSD can be used instead of Linux and perform the same tasks as that dreaded Fedora installation, see if you can convince the boss to use FreeBSD instead of the stupi^W^H Redhat installation. [ Lots of angry comments about Fedora problems snipped. ] From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 15:46:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8D316A4CF for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:46:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6090543D2F for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:46:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crzdgns1@starpower.net) Received: from ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.13]) by smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1Cw0EG-0006Ut-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:46:12 -0500 Received: from 128.231.88.3 by ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with HTTP/1.1; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:46:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:46:12 -0500 From: To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.6-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <5a0922b.c7dc1968.81eb700@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Is there a particular order in which things should be done? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:46:14 -0000 Hello, I am a beginning FreeBSD/UNIX user and have recently installed FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE, Xorg, and KDE on a Pentium II Celeron 330 MHz custom made PC. Everything seems to be working ok for now, but I feel completely overwhelmed because there is a tremendous amount of info to learn. Yesterday, when I logged out of KDE and back into command mode, I noticed a line in the output produced during KDE bootup (is that the right lingo?) that my machine thinks it is badly misconfigured. The exact message was "could not find local host, your system is badly misconfigured". Here are my questions for this forum. I preface my questions by saying that what I did was boot from floppies and install via FTP. All at once, I installed FreeBSD with Xorg and all of its fonts, Perl, Postfix, and every file in the KDE directory, and something else that I've already forgotten. Since I am a beginner, I expect I will go through the installation procedure a few more times, but maybe I can be more efficient about it in the future. So here is my question, in the future, what recommendations would the community make about correct order of operations for installation and configuration, and for confirmation that the install and configuration are "correct"? Thanks, Mark From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 19:38:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A68E16A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:38:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD9443D49 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:38:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050201193829i9100k5ltre>; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:38:30 +0000 Message-ID: <41FFDAB1.8060607@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:38:25 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: crzdgns1@starpower.net References: <5a0922b.c7dc1968.81eb700@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <5a0922b.c7dc1968.81eb700@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a particular order in which things should be done? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:38:31 -0000 crzdgns1@starpower.net wrote: >Hello, > >I am a beginning FreeBSD/UNIX user and have recently installed >FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE, Xorg, and KDE on a Pentium II Celeron 330 >MHz custom made PC. > KDE is going to eat you alive with a celeron 330 (and low amounts of RAM) I would recommend you try Xfce first. The version that shipped with 5.3 is 4.06? so to get 4.2 you will need to update your sources or figure out how to get newer packages. you can learn about that here in the FreeBSD handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html Xfce: http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=overview&lang=en#whatis To solve your startup problems with X you first need to configure it, you can do that with "Xorg -configure", you can learn about that in chapter 4 of the FreeBSD handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html If nothing I said here makes since it's because I just woke up and my brain isn't working yet. so if you have more questions just ask. > Everything seems to be working ok for now, >but I feel completely overwhelmed because there is a tremendous >amount of info to learn. Yesterday, when I logged out of KDE and >back into command mode, I noticed a line in the output produced >during KDE bootup (is that the right lingo?) that my machine thinks it >is badly misconfigured. The exact message was "could not find local >host, your system is badly misconfigured". Here are my questions for >this forum. I preface my questions by saying that what I did was boot >from floppies and install via FTP. All at once, I installed FreeBSD >with Xorg and all of its fonts, Perl, Postfix, and every file in the KDE >directory, and something else that I've already forgotten. Since I am >a beginner, I expect I will go through the installation procedure a few >more times, but maybe I can be more efficient about it in the future. >So here is my question, in the future, what recommendations would >the community make about correct order of operations for installation >and configuration, and for confirmation that the install and >configuration are "correct"? > >Thanks, > >Mark >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 1 20:34:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADD516A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:34:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0262843D3F for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:34:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20050201203434i92004ufj8e>; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:34:38 +0000 Message-ID: <41FFE7D6.7040509@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:34:30 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Beastie References: <20050130120113.6619D16A4D8@hub.freebsd.org> <002101c5074c$7862ffb0$0301a8c0@creativity> In-Reply-To: <002101c5074c$7862ffb0$0301a8c0@creativity> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Leaving FreeBSD for Linux - Please Don't Hurt Me X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:34:39 -0000 Beastie wrote: > Greetings !!! > > Whilst I may not have been much of a user of these mailing lists, I > have been quite happy with the standards and quality of the > information provided. Indeed, if I can find a life equivalent for > "RTFM", I would use everyday. > > Alas, as the title says, I am leaving FreeBSD for the wonders of > Linux. The reasoning behind this is one of convenience; months ago, I > was alone here in my hometown, playing and tinkering with FreeBSD. > Then the store I am employed at moved me up the ladder to Leading > Salesman (or something like that, effectively, I knew all the front > part of the store - where things are, how much to sell them - so I can > train the freshmeat that walks in). Suddenly, the server started > playing up and it is on Linux (RedHat 7, I believe). Well, despite > being a computer store and despite having three full-time technicians > and one full-time system builder, I was the _ONLY_ one with *nix > skills - of any kind. Me, the salesman. > > In the end, we upgraded the system completely, to Debian (and no, I > wasn't involved) and now, to cut down costs, the boss has politely > asked me to learn more about Linux in general, so that I can help out > in any future problems. So, I overwrote my FreeBSD HDD (*sigh*) and > installed Fedora Core 3 - a nice and easy one to get my feet wet. > Actually, compared to FreeBSD, this Linux is a bit of a walk in the park. I moved to FreeBSD, from Linux, to learn more about Linux, Ironic I know but Linux is now a walk in the park, like you said. The only problem now is having been thoroughly converted into a *BSD advocate. With your sales skills and UNIX know-how could you not just convert them to BSD? do you have any Mac sales / support (you need to have BSD skills to properly support Mac OS-X)? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 03:12:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF6816A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:12:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99C843D53 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:12:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bkeating@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so483154wri for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:12:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NwoAOYjuGpoi39h4F7VRUzi01nE4NQzlg2U2e/rBrilXriTSK9aPC2R7qo84R7NNQyriWVillxyezhQF4Ny+swNMatt9M52cH4RuLlXmW/+0683BKSnhgUCaJ8lz1HuMeN+WdxW/kvxviSuKCF4sjT8+fOegX2jNT4alxhfomKw= Received: by 10.54.28.79 with SMTP id b79mr263353wrb; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:12:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.47.68 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:12:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1d54d544050201191276d1eba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:12:09 -0800 From: "Benjamin P. Keating" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NFS tweaking (mount_nfs and fstab) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Benjamin P. Keating" List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:12:40 -0000 Hey FreeBSD community, Firstly - Whats the difference between freebsd-questions and freebsd-newbies? Just the level of detail / questions asked? Let me know if I should be posting somewhere besides this list. Ok, so I've been transferring large tar files (60gig+) to a nfs mount (both client and server are on the same LAN and both FreeBSD). Every so often the transfer halts. My NIC is using the `vr` driver so changed to a Intel card using the fxp driver - I'm told this is much more reliable. anyway... Since I'm spending so much time babying this NFS mount, I'd like to tweak it the best I can for fast, reliable read/write access. I googled and found a suggestion of: mount -t nfs -o -r=32768,-w=32768 bigbang:/backup/ad4m1a/tic /backup Can someone tell me if the -r,-w values are sane? Also - assuming those values are correct and make things reliably faster, how would I A). Check to see that these arguments are in action and B). add them to my /etc/fstab? I've assumed the following: bigbang:/backup/ad4m1a/tic /backup nfs rw,-r=32768,-w=32768 0 0 Is this correct? Any NFS experts care to share there knowledge on how to tweak NFS to a solid, fast state. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 09:49:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E6E16A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:49:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B843243D31 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:49:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050202094924i9100k4kdie>; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:49:25 +0000 Message-ID: <4200A224.9000005@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:49:24 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Benjamin P. Keating" References: <1d54d544050201191276d1eba@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1d54d544050201191276d1eba@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS tweaking (mount_nfs and fstab) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:49:26 -0000 Benjamin P. Keating wrote: >Hey FreeBSD community, > >Firstly - Whats the difference between freebsd-questions and >freebsd-newbies? Just the level of detail / questions asked? Let me >know if I should be posting somewhere besides this list. > > freebsd-newbies is a support group, like NA, for getting new users addicted to FreeBSD, You want questions ;-) > >Any NFS experts > > nope, none here. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 18:16:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D779D16A4CF for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:16:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FC743D3F for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:16:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:16:20 -0600 Message-ID: <420118F2.1010203@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:16:18 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: crzdgns1@starpower.net References: <5a0922b.c7dc1968.81eb700@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <5a0922b.c7dc1968.81eb700@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 18:16:21.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C2006B0:01C50953] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a particular order in which things should be done? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:16:26 -0000 crzdgns1@starpower.net wrote: >Hello, > >I am a beginning FreeBSD/UNIX user and have recently installed >FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE, Xorg, and KDE on a Pentium II Celeron 330 >MHz custom made PC. > > > Cool. Or is that, "kewl" ? Regardless, Welcome to FreeBSD! >Everything seems to be working ok for now, >but I feel completely overwhelmed because there is a tremendous >amount of info to learn. > > That's probably a normal feeling. What you get from FreeBSD is a stable, versatile and highly-customizable, relatively fast and secure, high-performance powerful operating system with great documentation and a (mostly) friendly, knowledgeable user community. The price you pay is something like this: you must learn to use the system instead of assuming that you can just have a "clicky Wizard" for every task, you must read the docs, you must use your intellectual power and personal "people skills" to join the community. Once in a while you will have to solve problems that seem pretty confusing, far-fetched, or unorthodox. But, it will be *your* machine. So far, you seem to be on the right track. You kinda sound like you think you need to reinstall your system. But, you say, "Everything seems to be working ok for now" .... so, I wouldn't. Read on if you have the time... >Yesterday, when I logged out of KDE and >back into command mode, I noticed a line in the output produced >during KDE bootup (is that the right lingo?) that my machine thinks it >is badly misconfigured. The exact message was "could not find local >host, your system is badly misconfigured". > Well, that is a problem, but only a small one in terms of fixing it. "Badly misconfigured" simply seems to mean, in this case, that this simple item is real important to KDE. And, indeed, it's pretty important to the whole system, but it's not a big deal for you, most likely. The computer needs to be able to find "localhost", because that is him/her/itself. (Does a computer have a gender ... hmm, weird.) Do you have a file under /etc entitled 'hosts'? If so, it should have something like this in it: # In the presence of the domain name service or NIS, this file may # not be consulted at all; see /etc/nsswitch.conf for the resolution order. # # ::1 localhost localhost.my.domain 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.my.domain Now, note also the commented paragraph. In my setup, /etc/nsswitch.conf is: hosts: files dns So, the resolver will check the "hosts" file first, and then check DNS. When it reads /etc/hosts, it will discover that "localhost" is on the loopback address (127.0.0.1). >Here are my questions for >this forum. I preface my questions by saying that what I did was boot >from floppies and install via FTP. All at once, I installed FreeBSD >with Xorg and all of its fonts, Perl, Postfix, and every file in the KDE >directory, and something else that I've already forgotten. > > Well, cool. That's a lot of work to do all at once. You could even pat yourself on the back. I've been using FreeBSD almost 4 years and still haven't installed some of that stuff ;-) >Since I am >a beginner, I expect I will go through the installation procedure a few >more times, but maybe I can be more efficient about it in the future. >So here is my question, in the future, what recommendations would >the community make about correct order of operations for installation >and configuration, and for confirmation that the install and >configuration are "correct"? > > Well, it depends on what you want. For example, for an ftp server, I just install FBSD with nothing, basically (e.g., the "base system"). I've setup a couple desktop machines, and I'm beginning to think that the best thing to do is clone disks, or just make big tarballs of everything on the "master", install base on the "slave", and then untar everything into place, reboot, and change the important stuff (/etc/rc.conf and so forth). You could install base and then install "instant-workstation" from ports. It's a meta port that installs a set of stuff that one guy (who's quite smart) thinks should make a good workstation. Be forewarned, his ideas and your ideas probably aren't the same. For one, he doesn't care much for "eye candy", so you'll never find him running GNOME or KDE, I don't think. What this is really all boiling down to is that FreeBSD is so versatile and highly customizable that there's no one way to do anything. A long-time "Unix" maxim is "tools, not policy." If you want a GUI, there are two or three ways to install one and dozens of window managers and/or preset environments. Plus, each app you add creates new facets to the environment you already have. If you want a CLI text editor, there are about 57 varieties waiting for you to install, for free. What I would really "recommend" is that you find something that works for you, maybe take notes on the procedure, and then alter them as you learn new things that would impact your installation routines. And, really, I find myself reinstalling that Much-vaunted-other-o$ quite a bit more often then I reinstall a BSD. It's pretty much just HDD failure or a major version bump (such as the recent introduction of 5.X as a "production version", and really it was probably *possible* to just move from 4.X to 5.X in place). In FreeBSD, reinstalling is generally *not* the solution, as we've become accustomed to think from (many of us) using other OSes. I'm sure someone has pointed you toward (or you discovered for yourself) the Handbook (www.freebsd.org/handbook). It really is the user's best friend ... especially for us "newbs". Once again, Welcome! HTH, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 19:18:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB5016A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:18:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC2043D55 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:18:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j12JIFuY011833; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:18:15 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: Kevin Kinsey In-Reply-To: <420118F2.1010203@daleco.biz> References: <5a0922b.c7dc1968.81eb700@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> <420118F2.1010203@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:21:24 -1000 Message-Id: <1107372084.12736.3.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: crzdgns1@starpower.net cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a particular order in which things should be done? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:18:22 -0000 On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 12:16 -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > > The computer needs to be able to find "localhost", because that > is him/her/itself. (Does a computer have a gender ... hmm, weird.) Many years ago, a lady friend of mine said, "Computers are called 'He' because they can only do one thing at a time and never stay up". Do you think she was trying to tell me something? :) Robert P.S. Nice post Kevin. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 19:41:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328B016A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:41:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE2743D53 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:41:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fredde@x-web.se) Received: by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1B85F37F38; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:41:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B27337F2E for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:41:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from acmee8d4ef0b0c (h121n2fls34o263.telia.com [217.209.35.121]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED36037E44 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:41:27 +0100 (CET) From: "Fredrik Petersson" To: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:42:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUJXALjp2UQjPwqR4ycwyp5yl6LYwAAn8Fg In-Reply-To: <1107372084.12736.3.camel@p4> Message-Id: <20050202194127.ED36037E44@smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Subject: Installing FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:41:31 -0000 Hi all! I have a old computer, I thought it was perfect for testings some = FreeBSD on. (Im a linux user, noramly). It is a old dell 500MHz with a 40GB disk, the "disk-part" of the installation program told me something about the bios and that y disk = size wasn=B4t correct, I continued and I created /var / /dev /usr partitions = in the installing program, but later the installation program tells me = something like could not mount /usr (and all the other mounting points).=20 Are ideas about where to start the troubleshooting?? "Many years ago, a lady friend of mine said, "Computers are called 'He' because they can only do one thing at a time and never stay up". Do you think she was trying to tell me something? :)" Well... we can have sex and headache at the same time... ;) /fredde _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 20:01:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C280916A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:01:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from usw2.natel.net (2b.bz [209.152.117.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D666E43D48 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:01:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from WD@US-Webmasters.com) Received: (qmail 26462 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2005 20:01:06 -0000 Received: from batv-01-059.dialup.netins.net (HELO Htebazile.US-Webmasters.com) (216.248.109.60) by us-webmasters.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 20:01:06 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050202135818.24d41a10@209.152.117.178> X-Sender: wd@209.152.117.178 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:59:52 -0600 To: "Fredrik Petersson" From: "W. D." In-Reply-To: <20050202194127.ED36037E44@smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> References: <1107372084.12736.3.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:01:13 -0000 At 13:42 2/2/2005, Fredrik Petersson wrote: >Hi all! >I have a old computer, I thought it was perfect for testings some FreeBSD >on. (Im a linux user, noramly). > >It is a old dell 500MHz with a 40GB disk, the "disk-part" of the >installation program told me something about the bios and that y disk size >wasn=B4t correct, I continued and I created /var / /dev /usr partitions in= the >installing program, but later the installation program tells me something >like could not mount /usr (and all the other mounting points).=20 > >Are ideas about where to start the troubleshooting?? FreeBSD can be tricky to install for first time users. You may want to just accept the defaults for the disk partioning. More info here: http://www.US-Webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Install/ Start Here to Find It Fast!=99 ->= http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $8.77 Domain Names -> http://domains.us-webmasters.com/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 20:52:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9A316A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:52:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B6A43D58 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:52:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rpratt1950@earthlink.net) Received: from fl-71-0-161-239.dyn.sprint-hsd.net ([71.0.161.239] helo=kt.weeble.com) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CwRUR-0004fx-00; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:52:43 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:52:42 -0500 From: Randy Pratt To: "W. D." Message-Id: <20050202155242.29d3fff4.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050202135818.24d41a10@209.152.117.178> References: <1107372084.12736.3.camel@p4> <5.1.0.14.2.20050202135818.24d41a10@209.152.117.178> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.0rc (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: fredde@x-web.se cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:52:55 -0000 On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:59:52 -0600 "W. D." wrote: > At 13:42 2/2/2005, Fredrik Petersson wrote: > >Hi all! > >I have a old computer, I thought it was perfect for testings some FreeBSD > >on. (Im a linux user, noramly). > > > >It is a old dell 500MHz with a 40GB disk, the "disk-part" of the > >installation program told me something about the bios and that y disk si= ze > >wasn=B4t correct, I continued and I created /var / /dev /usr partitions = in the > >installing program, but later the installation program tells me something > >like could not mount /usr (and all the other mounting points).=20 > > > >Are ideas about where to start the troubleshooting?? >=20 > FreeBSD can be tricky to install for first time users. You > may want to just accept the defaults for the disk partioning. >=20 > More info here: > http://www.US-Webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Install/ I find that guide to be lacking in detail. You would be better off using the official documentation for installation: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html Then, if you have any problems, the usual place to ask is on freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org mailing list. This group is intended to be for newbie experience discussion and non-technical chat. You'll find a lot of folks there willing to help with a solution. Good Luck and welcome to FreeBSD! Randy --=20 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 22:33:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7B816A506 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:33:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B2643D48 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:33:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:33:01 -0600 Message-ID: <4201551D.6000803@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:33:01 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Marella References: <5a0922b.c7dc1968.81eb700@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> <420118F2.1010203@daleco.biz> <1107372084.12736.3.camel@p4> In-Reply-To: <1107372084.12736.3.camel@p4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 22:33:02.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[27DDE960:01C50977] cc: crzdgns1@starpower.net cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a particular order in which things should be done? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:33:06 -0000 Robert Marella wrote: >On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 12:16 -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > > > > > >>The computer needs to be able to find "localhost", because that >>is him/her/itself. (Does a computer have a gender ... hmm, weird.) >> >> > >Many years ago, a lady friend of mine said, "Computers are called 'He' >because they can only do one thing at a time and never stay up". > >Do you think she was trying to tell me something? :) > > I can't be sure; perhaps that if you wanted to be anything more than her friend, you'd need to be the human equivalent of the "stable high-performing, etc." FreeBSD I was talking about. :D Thanks to you, too. KDK From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 2 22:59:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E79B16A4CE for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:59:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9986543D49 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:59:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:59:14 -0600 Message-ID: <42015B43.40704@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:59:15 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fredrik Petersson References: <20050202194127.ED36037E44@smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> In-Reply-To: <20050202194127.ED36037E44@smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 22:59:15.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1592E70:01C5097A] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:59:18 -0000 Fredrik Petersson wrote: >Hi all! >I have a old computer, I thought it was perfect for testings some FreeBSD >on. (Im a linux user, noramly). > > > I've never tried to run a box with "noram", and wasn't aware that Linux could do that. Cool! {I'm really *not* picking on ya!} >It is a old dell 500MHz with a 40GB disk, the "disk-part" of the >installation program told me something about the bios and that y disk size >wasnґt correct, I continued and I created /var / /dev /usr partitions in the >installing program, but later the installation program tells me something >like could not mount /usr (and all the other mounting points). > >Are ideas about where to start the troubleshooting?? > > Hmm, wonder what the BIOS thinks the drive is? Like Randy said, you might try the defaults. Or, at the very least, make only /, /usr, and /var. IANAE, but I've never seen anyone recommend making a seperate slice for /dev, and I wonder what trying to do so might do. It could create the symptoms you describe, of course, but I could just be blowing smoke, too. The message you refer to has do to with disk geometry, and indicates to me that you're installing a 5.X FBSD; devfs is a new thing, and may be involved in the problem you describe. Once again, IANAE, and the other poster also has a great point --- this sort of thing is better asked at questions@, where large numbers of people (some of whom are very knowledgeable and/or experienced) will see the post and be able to either guide you in this matter or correct anyone who does and makes a mistake in so doing (the "IANAE" types like me ;) Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 04:14:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA9616A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:14:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98D243D4C for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:14:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b178.otenet.gr [212.205.244.186]) j134EaTY031134; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:14:42 +0200 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j134EWR1005591; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:14:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j134EWdX005590; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:14:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:14:31 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Robert Marella Message-ID: <20050203041431.GB5385@gothmog.gr> References: <5a0922b.c7dc1968.81eb700@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> <420118F2.1010203@daleco.biz> <1107372084.12736.3.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1107372084.12736.3.camel@p4> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a particular order in which things should be done? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 04:14:49 -0000 On 2005-02-02 09:21, Robert Marella wrote: >On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 12:16 -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: >> The computer needs to be able to find "localhost", because that >> is him/her/itself. (Does a computer have a gender ... hmm, weird.) > > Many years ago, a lady friend of mine said, "Computers are called 'He' > because they can only do one thing at a time and never stay up". > > Do you think she was trying to tell me something? :) That she was using a virus-riddled, painfully slow, feature-limited version of a DOS clone? You should have really shown her UNIX :P /me ducks and runs From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 3 18:07:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113F516A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:07:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vfemail.net (miwi2dsl-a234.wi.tds.net [216.170.248.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5D543D39 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:07:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lute@vfemail.net) Received: (qmail 59701 invoked by uid 85); 3 Feb 2005 18:07:32 -0000 Received: from lute@vfemail.net by mail.vfemail.net by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.75.1. spamassassin: 2.63. Clear:. Processed in 1.258345 secs); 03 Feb 2005 18:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO agnes.myhome.net) (lute@vfemail.net@63.229.187.130) by miwi2dsl-a234.wi.tds.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2005 18:07:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:07:31 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050203120731.2b1f3868@agnes.myhome.net> In-Reply-To: <002101c5074c$7862ffb0$0301a8c0@creativity> References: <20050130120113.6619D16A4D8@hub.freebsd.org> <002101c5074c$7862ffb0$0301a8c0@creativity> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Leaving FreeBSD for Linux - Please Don't Hurt Me X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:07:35 -0000 Well don't feel too bad Mick, I am going to be leaving FreeBSD also but for other reasons. I have some toys now that need USB support that FreeBSD just isn't doing for me, and being that I am not a coder, just a user I will be switching to Linux in hope that I will have greater success with them. Don't get me wrong I have really loved using FreeBSD over the last 3 years, it's all I have had on my box, but have been getting discouraged since the upgrade(?) to 5.3. It's mostly little thing that have been piling up, console screen saver doesn't work, ports that I use are broken all the time, things like that. Then after searching through every piece of documentation I can find, I ask on a list or IRC channel to either total silence or the common "It's because you are stupid!" reply. Well folks I don't need that anymore. I have decided on a distro, and will be installing over the weekend. Not over FreeBSD, this drive will be removed and lovingly tucked away all files intact. I really do wish I could get it to meet the demands I have now. I will still be lurking, and if FBSD evolves to where it will handle my needs in the future I will be back in a flash, but for now..... -- Lute It's OK to be different FreeBSD 5.3 RELEASE From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 14:18:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41A916A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:18:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDC543D1F for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:18:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crzdgns1@starpower.net) Received: from ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.13]) by smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1Cx4Hv-0003Ti-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:18:23 -0500 Received: from 128.231.88.3 by ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with HTTP/1.1; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:18:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:18:23 -0500 From: To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.6-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <262fb66a.c95f985d.81b8800@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: man page help X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:18:24 -0000 Hello All, I am a FreeBSD/UNIX newbie. I have posted here several times already and everyone has been very supportive. I wasn't happy with my first "real" install of FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE, so the other day I re- installed, this time just the full base installation with X. I am currently trying to configure my firewall. I chose to use ipfirewall and followed the directions in the handbook explicitly, starting at the beginning of the section about IPF. Anyhow, my ISP uses DHCP, and there is a line in the ipf.rules file, which I have included below that deals with DHCP (I hope it is formatted as on the handbook webpage, my email program won't let me display it to its full width): > # Allow out access to my ISP's DHCP server for cable or DSL > networks. > # This rule is not needed for 'user ppp' type connection to the > # public Internet, so you can delete this whole group. > # Use the following rule and check log for IP address. > # Then put IP address in commented out rule & delete first rule > pass out log quick on dc0 proto udp from any to any port = 67 keep > state > #pass out quick on dc0 proto udp from any to z.z.z.z port = 67 keep > state The fourth # sign says, "use the following rule and check the log for the IP address". Where is the log? How do I find it? This basic problem spawned an attempt by me to decipher the man page for the find command in an attempt to locate any file containing the word "log" and revealed to me that I do not understand how to read the man pages. So, my quesiton for the group is, do you have any recommendations for using the man pages. Is there a resource on the web that gives easier to read instructions on deciphering man pages? Thanks! Mark From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 19:10:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8BF16A4D3 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:10:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD0243D5E for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:10:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14JAEgp014063 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:10:14 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j14JAEvm014060 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:10:14 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:10:14 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200502041910.j14JAEvm014060@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:10:15 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. 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Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 20:15:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E72216A4CF for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:15:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postfix3-2.free.fr (postfix3-2.free.fr [213.228.0.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4286543D4C for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:15:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from FabriceMarchant@free.fr) Received: from there (lyon-2-62-147-20-120.dial.proxad.net [62.147.20.120]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A75EDC031 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:15:05 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Fabrice To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:15:23 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20050204201505.A75EDC031@postfix3-2.free.fr> Subject: Loading module for sound chip SiS 7102 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:15:07 -0000 Hi ! Debian user just have installed FreeBSD 5.3. Seems great ! But I my sound chip do not properly work. I tried to : kldload snd_... pilots one by one until I found snd_ich pilot that made some sound when KDE 3.3 launch (and suppress the error about /dev/dsp ) But the sound works 2 seconds only and becomes then silently stuck ! After loading pilot : kldload snd_ich the Sis chip seems to be seen. I get the following msg : pcm0: SiS 7012 port 0xd800-0xd63f, 0xdc00-0xdcff IRQ 11 at dev 2.7 on PCI 0 ICH0: (GIANT_LOCKED) This SiS sound chip properly works on Debian linux on the same machine. But I remember that it was hard to find the right pilot with Linux... Can you give me any advice, please ? Fabrice. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 22:23:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BBE16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:23:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778BB43D1D for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:23:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050204222332i9100k4r10e>; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:23:32 +0000 Message-ID: <4203F5E2.8080605@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:23:30 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabrice References: <20050204201505.A75EDC031@postfix3-2.free.fr> In-Reply-To: <20050204201505.A75EDC031@postfix3-2.free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loading module for sound chip SiS 7102 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:23:34 -0000 Fabrice wrote: >Hi ! > >Debian user just have installed FreeBSD 5.3. >Seems great ! > >But I my sound chip do not properly work. > >I tried to : > >kldload snd_... > >pilots one by one until I found >snd_ich pilot that made some sound when KDE 3.3 launch >(and suppress the error about /dev/dsp ) > >But the sound works 2 seconds only and becomes then silently stuck ! > >After loading pilot : >kldload snd_ich > >the Sis chip seems to be seen. I get the following msg : > >pcm0: SiS 7012 port 0xd800-0xd63f, 0xdc00-0xdcff > IRQ 11 at dev 2.7 on PCI 0 > ICH0: (GIANT_LOCKED) > > >This SiS sound chip properly works on Debian linux on the same machine. >But I remember that it was hard to find the right pilot with Linux... > >Can you give me any advice, please ? > > Yea, find a better translation service... Put these in /boot/loader.conf: sound_load="YES" snd_driver_load="YES" hw.snd.maxautovchans=4 After that reboot and grep dmesg (dmesg |grep -i foo) for anything related to sound; snd, pcm, AC97, etc. Then you could check sndstat and see what it says (cat /dev/sndstat) but it should say about the same as dmesg (your are doing this to find out which drivers to load). The next step now would be to test the sound system at the console, make and install the ports cplay and splay (both are under /usr/ports/audio) then using cplay* play some mp3s. If you can hear music then everything's good to go (if you still can't hear music in X then the problem is with X or your music player, etc.) but if you still can't hear music then post this question to freebsd questions mailing list (You could also try changing the IRQ it uses or set PnP_OS=no in the BIOS, it should be set to this anyways for FreeBSD!... in general, play with the BIOS settings). *cplay's config file, you shouldn't need it but to cover all bases..., copy and paste it to your home directory, ".cplayrc": PLAYERS = [ FrameOffsetPlayer("ogg123 -q -v -k %d %s", "\.ogg$"), FrameOffsetPlayer("splay -f -k %d %s", "(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", 38.28), FrameOffsetPlayer("mpg123 -q -v -k %d %s", "(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", 38.28), FrameOffsetPlayer("mpg321 -q -v -k %d %s", "(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", 38.28), TimeOffsetPlayer("madplay -v --no-tty-control --display-time=remaining -s %d %s", "\.mp[123]$"), NoOffsetPlayer("mikmod -q -p0 %s", "\.(mod|xm|fm|s3m|med|col|669|it|mtm)$"), NoOffsetPlayer("xmp -q %s", "\.(mod|xm|fm|s3m|med|col|669|it|mtm|stm)$"), NoOffsetPlayer("play %s", "\.(aiff|au|cdr|mp3|ogg|wav)$"), NoOffsetPlayer("speexdec %s", "\.spx$") ] I wish they'd get email working again (list server was blacklisted), Nikolas From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 23:28:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8BA16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:28:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0546A43D46 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:28:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050204232745i9100k4ssne>; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:28:01 +0000 Message-ID: <420404F1.7070802@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:27:45 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: <20050204201505.A75EDC031@postfix3-2.free.fr> <4203F5E2.8080605@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <4203F5E2.8080605@nbritton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: Fabrice Subject: Re: Loading module for sound chip SiS 7102 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:28:03 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: > Fabrice wrote: > >> Hi ! >> >> Debian user just have installed FreeBSD 5.3. >> Seems great ! >> >> But I my sound chip do not properly work. >> >> I tried to : >> >> kldload snd_... >> >> pilots one by one until I found snd_ich pilot that made some sound >> when KDE 3.3 launch >> (and suppress the error about /dev/dsp ) >> >> But the sound works 2 seconds only and becomes then silently stuck ! >> >> After loading pilot : >> kldload snd_ich >> >> the Sis chip seems to be seen. I get the following msg : >> >> pcm0: SiS 7012 port 0xd800-0xd63f, 0xdc00-0xdcff IRQ 11 at dev >> 2.7 on PCI 0 >> ICH0: (GIANT_LOCKED) >> >> This SiS sound chip properly works on Debian linux on the same machine. >> But I remember that it was hard to find the right pilot with Linux... >> >> Can you give me any advice, please ? >> >> > Yea, find a better translation service... Put these in /boot/loader.conf: > sound_load="YES" > snd_driver_load="YES" > hw.snd.maxautovchans=4 > > After that reboot and grep dmesg (dmesg |grep -i foo) for anything > related to sound; snd, pcm, AC97, etc. Then you could check sndstat > and see what it says (cat /dev/sndstat) but it should say about the > same as dmesg (your are doing this to find out which drivers to load). > The next step now would be to test the sound system at the console, > make and install the ports cplay and splay (both are under > /usr/ports/audio) then using cplay* play some mp3s. If you can hear > music then everything's good to go (if you still can't hear music in X > then the problem is with X or your music player, etc.) but if you > still can't hear music then post this question to freebsd questions > mailing list (You could also try changing the IRQ it uses or set > PnP_OS=no in the BIOS, it should be set to this anyways for > FreeBSD!... in general, play with the BIOS settings). > > *cplay's config file, you shouldn't need it but to cover all bases..., > copy and paste it to your home directory, ".cplayrc": > > PLAYERS = [ > FrameOffsetPlayer("ogg123 -q -v -k %d %s", "\.ogg$"), > FrameOffsetPlayer("splay -f -k %d %s", "(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", > 38.28), > FrameOffsetPlayer("mpg123 -q -v -k %d %s", "(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", > 38.28), > FrameOffsetPlayer("mpg321 -q -v -k %d %s", "(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", > 38.28), > TimeOffsetPlayer("madplay -v --no-tty-control > --display-time=remaining -s %d %s", "\.mp[123]$"), > NoOffsetPlayer("mikmod -q -p0 %s", > "\.(mod|xm|fm|s3m|med|col|669|it|mtm)$"), > NoOffsetPlayer("xmp -q %s", > "\.(mod|xm|fm|s3m|med|col|669|it|mtm|stm)$"), > NoOffsetPlayer("play %s", "\.(aiff|au|cdr|mp3|ogg|wav)$"), > NoOffsetPlayer("speexdec %s", "\.spx$") > ] > > I wish they'd get email working again (list server was blacklisted), > Nikolas Sorry I should have given a bit more info at the start of my reply. Putting those lines in loader.conf will load the sound subsystem (pcm), I don't think it's needed as I think "snd_driver_load" will load it but I'm not sure so... and you'll need it afterwords, all of the sound drivers, and setup up to 4 virtual audio channels as needed, automatically. The part about dmesg etc. should be done last, look in /boot/defaults/loader.conf (starting at line 255) to find the drivers you want to load, remove snd_driver_load from /boot/loader.conf and add the drivers that your card is using there. I think your problem is that you just didn't have any virtual channels setup, KDE would then hog the sound system and then you wouldn't hear anything else, but thats just an educated guess, donno I use cplay even when i'm in X. and only one of the list servers was blacklisted (the main one), your email was one of the few I got today. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 4 23:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDAE16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:56:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354E943D31 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:56:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050204235617i9100k55b7e>; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:56:17 +0000 Message-ID: <42040BA0.2030308@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:56:16 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: <20050204201505.A75EDC031@postfix3-2.free.fr> <4203F5E2.8080605@nbritton.org> <420404F1.7070802@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <420404F1.7070802@nbritton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: Fabrice Subject: Re: Loading module for sound chip SiS 7102 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:56:18 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: > Nikolas Britton wrote: > >> Fabrice wrote: >> >>> Hi ! >>> >>> Debian user just have installed FreeBSD 5.3. >>> Seems great ! >>> >>> But I my sound chip do not properly work. >>> >>> I tried to : >>> >>> kldload snd_... >>> >>> pilots one by one until I found snd_ich pilot that made some sound >>> when KDE 3.3 launch >>> (and suppress the error about /dev/dsp ) >>> >>> But the sound works 2 seconds only and becomes then silently stuck ! >>> >>> After loading pilot : >>> kldload snd_ich >>> >>> the Sis chip seems to be seen. I get the following msg : >>> >>> pcm0: SiS 7012 port 0xd800-0xd63f, 0xdc00-0xdcff IRQ 11 at dev >>> 2.7 on PCI 0 >>> ICH0: (GIANT_LOCKED) >>> >>> This SiS sound chip properly works on Debian linux on the same machine. >>> But I remember that it was hard to find the right pilot with Linux... >>> >>> Can you give me any advice, please ? >>> >>> >> Yea, find a better translation service... Put these in >> /boot/loader.conf: >> sound_load="YES" >> snd_driver_load="YES" >> hw.snd.maxautovchans=4 >> >> After that reboot and grep dmesg (dmesg |grep -i foo) for anything >> related to sound; snd, pcm, AC97, etc. Then you could check sndstat >> and see what it says (cat /dev/sndstat) but it should say about the >> same as dmesg (your are doing this to find out which drivers to >> load). The next step now would be to test the sound system at the >> console, make and install the ports cplay and splay (both are under >> /usr/ports/audio) then using cplay* play some mp3s. If you can hear >> music then everything's good to go (if you still can't hear music in >> X then the problem is with X or your music player, etc.) but if you >> still can't hear music then post this question to freebsd questions >> mailing list (You could also try changing the IRQ it uses or set >> PnP_OS=no in the BIOS, it should be set to this anyways for >> FreeBSD!... in general, play with the BIOS settings). >> >> *cplay's config file, you shouldn't need it but to cover all >> bases..., copy and paste it to your home directory, ".cplayrc": >> >> PLAYERS = [ >> FrameOffsetPlayer("ogg123 -q -v -k %d %s", "\.ogg$"), >> FrameOffsetPlayer("splay -f -k %d %s", "(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", >> 38.28), >> FrameOffsetPlayer("mpg123 -q -v -k %d %s", >> "(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", 38.28), >> FrameOffsetPlayer("mpg321 -q -v -k %d %s", >> "(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", 38.28), >> TimeOffsetPlayer("madplay -v --no-tty-control >> --display-time=remaining -s %d %s", "\.mp[123]$"), >> NoOffsetPlayer("mikmod -q -p0 %s", >> "\.(mod|xm|fm|s3m|med|col|669|it|mtm)$"), >> NoOffsetPlayer("xmp -q %s", >> "\.(mod|xm|fm|s3m|med|col|669|it|mtm|stm)$"), >> NoOffsetPlayer("play %s", "\.(aiff|au|cdr|mp3|ogg|wav)$"), >> NoOffsetPlayer("speexdec %s", "\.spx$") >> ] >> >> I wish they'd get email working again (list server was blacklisted), >> Nikolas > > > Sorry I should have given a bit more info at the start of my reply. > Putting those lines in loader.conf will load the sound subsystem > (pcm), I don't think it's needed as I think "snd_driver_load" will > load it but I'm not sure so... and you'll need it afterwords, all of > the sound drivers, and setup up to 4 virtual audio channels as needed, > automatically. The part about dmesg etc. should be done last, look in > /boot/defaults/loader.conf (starting at line 255) to find the drivers > you want to load, remove snd_driver_load from /boot/loader.conf and > add the drivers that your card is using there. I think your problem is > that you just didn't have any virtual channels setup, KDE would then > hog the sound system and then you wouldn't hear anything else, but > thats just an educated guess, donno I use cplay even when i'm in X. > and only one of the list servers was blacklisted (the main one), your > email was one of the few I got today. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Also, here is the FreeBSD handbook in french: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ http://www.freebsd.org/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/multimedia.html googles translation service sucks, this is what I get when I converted it to french and then back into english: Moreover, here the handbook of French FreeBSD :-) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 02:32:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BA016A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:32:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51007.mail.yahoo.com (web51007.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA02A43D41 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:32:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alsemo_@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20972 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2005 02:32:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=W7CLP4CMUbcAXp17v1SwCYQif27QbDZhxWcVQr9j+01uL/Fq7EAwZ5qXx3xNHAmlDnJfTNBtUAxwTu9pTcV5lde7oVOL3NhEy0VZHEdfpmaburuLDZk8Y2NVRpHrv13v8IrjPgqSsfJgivJTliBKoK360H1kfeLEdMobgyyyD04= ; Message-ID: <20050205023217.20970.qmail@web51007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.111.165.53] by web51007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:32:16 PST Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:32:16 -0800 (PST) From: Karl Alsemo To: Fabrice In-Reply-To: <20050204201505.A75EDC031@postfix3-2.free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loading module for sound chip SiS 7102 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 02:32:18 -0000 --- Fabrice wrote: > Hi ! > > Debian user just have installed FreeBSD 5.3. > Seems great ! > > But I my sound chip do not properly work. > > I tried to : > > kldload snd_... > > pilots one by one until I found > snd_ich pilot that made some sound when KDE 3.3 > launch > (and suppress the error about /dev/dsp ) > > But the sound works 2 seconds only and becomes then > silently stuck ! > > After loading pilot : > kldload snd_ich > > the Sis chip seems to be seen. I get the following > msg : > > pcm0: SiS 7012 port 0xd800-0xd63f, 0xdc00-0xdcff > IRQ 11 at dev 2.7 on PCI 0 > ICH0: (GIANT_LOCKED) > > > This SiS sound chip properly works on Debian linux > on the same machine. > But I remember that it was hard to find the right > pilot with Linux... > > Can you give me any advice, please ? > > Fabrice. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi there Fabrice. Although this list is not the right (as in suitable, not sinfully wrong ;) list to ask question, because I had the same problem on my Clevo M22ES clone when installed 5.3-R before; I can't resist to reply. Compile a new kernel (More on compilin FreeBSD kernel at Building and Installing a Custom Kernel) with this options written in your kernel config file: device sound device "snd_ich" No need to dynamically load any module because it'll be statically linked in your new kernel. You should subcribe to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org because that's the most suitable list to ask technical related FreeBSD questions (hence the name) and it's very newbie friendly (It's true because I'm a newbie too!). Sometime you'll find that the problem you're facing have been answered there so it's a good idea to search fer it on the list archive. There are wealth of information on FreeBSD like http://www.freebsddiary.org/ and others which just a google away. Don't ferget to keep your FreeBSD handbook handy too :). *Shameless promotion* If you use Clevo M22ES notebook, you can check my site out because as I learn more stuff bout FreeBSD, I'll post it in the web. FreeBSD newbie and damn proud of it. Karl http://www.alsemo.isdangerous.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 02:42:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECD216A504 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:42:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51007.mail.yahoo.com (web51007.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F292543D31 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:42:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alsemo_@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 24353 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2005 02:42:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lbGmr+iwQYbEj3Bfmn/DLbc4O3jS5AsyyX/4JZcX/iqH3DsxTZFI/map3+mmHx9IghLkU8abblmCrLa6KEjW3LXs22EAhJ3WCz8LUxCM89BY2QRgBWObCGrWrsTivTfXjrmyh7qB/95vgQVhK36lkqeykNoIlMuWFSG2c2ypF/M= ; Message-ID: <20050205024239.24351.qmail@web51007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.111.165.53] by web51007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:42:39 PST Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:42:39 -0800 (PST) From: Karl Alsemo To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050204201505.A75EDC031@postfix3-2.free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Loading module for sound chip SiS 7102 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 02:42:40 -0000 --- Fabrice wrote: > Hi ! > > Debian user just have installed FreeBSD 5.3. > Seems great ! > > But I my sound chip do not properly work. > > I tried to : > > kldload snd_... > > pilots one by one until I found > snd_ich pilot that made some sound when KDE 3.3 > launch > (and suppress the error about /dev/dsp ) > > But the sound works 2 seconds only and becomes then > silently stuck ! > > After loading pilot : > kldload snd_ich > > the Sis chip seems to be seen. I get the following > msg : > > pcm0: SiS 7012 port 0xd800-0xd63f, 0xdc00-0xdcff > IRQ 11 at dev 2.7 on PCI 0 > ICH0: (GIANT_LOCKED) > > > This SiS sound chip properly works on Debian linux > on the same machine. > But I remember that it was hard to find the right > pilot with Linux... > > Can you give me any advice, please ? > > Fabrice. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Sorry bout the html coding. It's a bad habit, I know. Shame. Although this list is not the right (as in suitable, not sinfully wrong ;) list to ask question, because I had the same problem on my Clevo M22ES clone when installed 5.3-R before; I can't resist to reply. Compile a new kernel (More on compilin FreeBSD kernel at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html with this options written in your kernel config file: device sound device "snd_ich" No need to dynamically load any module because it'll be statically linked in your new kernel. You should subcribe to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org because that's the most suitable list to ask technical related FreeBSD questions (hence the name) and it's very newbie friendly (It's true because I'm a newbie too!). Sometime you'll find that the problem you're facing have been answered there so it's a good idea to search fer it on the list archive. There are wealth of information on FreeBSD like http://www.freebsddiary.org/ and others which just a google away. Don't ferget to keep your FreeBSD handbook handy too :). *Shameless promotion* If you use Clevo M22ES notebook, you can check my site out because as I learn more stuff bout FreeBSD, I'll post it in the web. FreeBSD newbie and damn proud of it. Karl http://www.alsemo.isdangerous.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 03:08:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3C916A4EC for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:08:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (h204-247-59-114.ncal.verio.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6C643D49 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:08:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.55.105]) by mail.finnovative.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:08:35 -0800 Message-ID: <420438B3.9050506@finnovative.net> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:08:35 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20050130120113.6619D16A4D8@hub.freebsd.org> <002101c5074c$7862ffb0$0301a8c0@creativity> In-Reply-To: <002101c5074c$7862ffb0$0301a8c0@creativity> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2005 03:08:35.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB4811E0:01C50B2F] Subject: Re: Leaving FreeBSD for Linux - Please Don't Hurt Me X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:08:37 -0000 In some ways I feel saddened, as I like FreeBSD. However, I can sympathize with you. I tried different Linux distros, and they are far far far easier to configure and setup, than FreeBSD. They have nice intuitive graphical facilities. On the negative side of things for Linux, some distros (not all of them) are very insecure. I noticed insecure older versions of tools like OpenSSL, ISCA DHCP, SAMBA, etc. included with the distros like RedHat. These should be updated ASAP, either through the pay facility or do-it-yourself. It's hard to keep track of what stuff they added, and what is broken/insecure. I think that with Linux, you have to become knowledgeable on how to harden and secure the system. I feel that FreeBSD seems a bit more secure out of the getgo. I personally use both FreeBSD and Linux at home. I like the ports directory and I like the security common-sense emphasis in FreeBSD. I feel more comfortable with it being a server. Because of this, I have FreeBSD as the server, and Linux as the development/desktop system. For Linux, I professionally (work environ) like SuSE, but lot of places use RedHat. Personally, I like gentoo. But then I have 64-bit computers (amd64, ppc, and ultra sparc) and I can roll out a buff 64-bit system, which makes a big difference in performance on Intel platform, i.e. amd. --- joaquin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 03:11:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC38616A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:11:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (mail.finnovative.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E17D43D2D for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:11:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.55.105]) by mail.finnovative.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:11:28 -0800 Message-ID: <42043960.50403@finnovative.net> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:11:28 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2005 03:11:28.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[62914330:01C50B30] Subject: Recommendations for partitioning tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:11:29 -0000 Hi, I am looking for a tool like Partition Magic, so that I can shrink partitions, create new ones, and make my laptop available for installing FreeBSD. I have Partition Magic, but unfortunately, I have Win2K3 on one partition, and PM detects it and refuses to run. Aarrgh. Is there any easy to use tool to shrink down my NTFS partition, delete and create other partitions out there? -- Joaquin Menchaca From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 03:12:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6090C16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:12:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (h204-247-59-114.ncal.verio.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2ED43D39 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:12:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.55.105]) by mail.finnovative.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:12:47 -0800 Message-ID: <420439AF.2090208@finnovative.net> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:12:47 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <200501302015.j0UKFeAe012048@www1.kc.aoindustries.com> <200501302015.j0UKFpOh012067@www1.kc.aoindustries.com> In-Reply-To: <200501302015.j0UKFpOh012067@www1.kc.aoindustries.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2005 03:12:47.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[919E17C0:01C50B30] Subject: Re: BLOCKED: Mail Delivery (failure martin@good-ear.com) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:12:48 -0000 Some one is being naughty?!? martin@good-ear.com wrote: > Your message has not been delivered because it contains at least one restricted > attachment. > > Recipient...........: martin@good-ear.com > Subject.............: Mail Delivery (failure martin@good-ear.com) > Detected Extensions.: scr > > If you did not send this message, the most likely cause is a virus on another > computer. The virus has used your email address as the from address. As a > result, this automated response has been sent to you. > > Please scan your computer for viruses using the latest virus definitions. If > you are unable to find any viruses then you were probably not the source of > this email and you may disregard this message. > > Blocked Attachment Types Include: > > Extension Description > 386 Windows Enhanced Mode Driver > ade Microsoft Access project extension > adp Microsoft Access project > adt Abstract Data Type > asd *.asd file > asp Active Server Page > bas Visual Basic class module > bat Batch file > bin Binary File > btm 4DOS Batch To Memory Batch File > cab *.cab file > cbt Computer Based Training > cer *.cer file > chm Compiled HTML Help file > cil *.cil file > cmd Windows NT Command script > com Command (Executable File) > cpl Control Panel extension > crt Security certificate > csc Corel Script File > csh KornShell script file > dll Dynamic Link Library > dot MS Word Document Template > drv Device Driver > exe Executable File > fon Font > fxp Microsoft Visual FoxPro compiled program > hlp Help file > hta HTML program > inf Setup Information > ini Initialization File > ins Internet Naming Service > isp Internet Communication settings > ksh KornShell script file > lib Library > lnk Shortcut > mdb Microsoft Access Database > mde Microsoft Access MDE database > mdt Microsoft Access workgroup information > mdw Microsoft Access workgroup information > msc Microsoft Common Console document > msi Microsoft Windows Installer Package > mso Math Script Object > msp Microsoft Windows Installer Patch > mst Microsoft Visual Test Source Files > net *.net file > nws *.nws file > obj Relocatable Object Code > ocx Object Linking and Embedding (OLE) Control Extension > ops Office XP settings > pcd Photo CD MS Compiled Script > pd *.pd file > pgm Program File > pif Shortcut to MS-DOS program > pot PowerPoint Templates > pwl *.pwl file > reg Registry Entries > rm *.rm file > scr Screen Saver or Script > sct Windows Script Component > shb Shell Scrap Object > shm *.shm file > shs Shell Scrap Object > smm Ami Pro Macro > src *.src file > sys System Device Driver > url Internet Shortcut > vb VBScript file > vbe VBScript encoded script file > vbs Visual Basic Script file > vbx *.vbx file > vxd Virtual Device Driver > wfs *.wfs file > wsc Windows Script Component > wsf Windows Script file > wsh Windows Script Host Settings file > xlt *.xlt file > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 03:23:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2211E16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:23:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (h204-247-59-114.ncal.verio.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B4E43D1D for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:23:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.55.105]) by mail.finnovative.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:23:44 -0800 Message-ID: <42043C40.1050603@finnovative.net> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:23:44 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1311810734.1106501328878.JavaMail.nobody@app6.ni.bg> In-Reply-To: <1311810734.1106501328878.JavaMail.nobody@app6.ni.bg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2005 03:23:44.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[18F755A0:01C50B32] cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: need a help X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:23:45 -0000 You need to have both the Windows box and FreeBSD connected to the same switch or cross-over cable. The Windows 2000 gateway for LAN card2 must be set to the FreeBSD, and the FreeBSD must have a route setup to route 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.166.187. A default route to your gateway's IP on 192.168.166.0/24 (assuming classful bitmask) must be setup on FreeBSD. Can you reply with an "ifconfig -a" and "cat /etc/rc.conf" from your FreeBSD box, and from Windows also do a "ipconfig /all" and "route print". Lastly, how is DNS handled? Intranet, or just external? -- joaquin Димитър Ливоров wrote: > Hi, > I'm new in FreeBSD and I have a problem with configuring it. > I've got two machines: W2000 Pro and this FreeBSD. Below is a short description of my nome net: > > > Win 2000 FreeBSD > > LAN card1 LAN card2 LAN card1 LAN card2 > Ext. LAN<->10.1.2.7--192.168.0.2<-->192.168.0.1--192.168.166.187<->I-net > > My idea is to use FreeeBSD as Internet server(proxy, firewall, etc.) but at the moment can't do this. There is a ping from Win2000 to LAN1 on FreeBSD(192.168.0.1) but not to LAN2(192.168.166.187). I think this is very important to have a such ping. > So, my questions is: > 1. What I need to do to have ping from my Win2000 to LAN2(192.168.166.187)? > 2.What I need to do after this to have ping(connection) from my W2000 to addresses in Internet? > > Thank you in advance for your help! > > Best regards, > Dimitar > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > http://promo.abv.bg/new_sms.html - Активирайте SMS известяване за получено писмо! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 09:51:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACBC16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:51:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ha-smtp2.tiscali.nl (smtp-b2c.tiscali.nl [195.241.80.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8226943D55 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:51:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freeknossin@tiscali.nl) Received: from edsger (195-241-9-180-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl [195.241.9.180]) by ha-smtp2.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC72B47EBF4 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:51:08 +0100 (CET) From: "Freek Nossin" To: Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:51:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <42043960.50403@finnovative.net> Thread-Index: AcULMJEPdTPFEAnhSFqM2hmgjKe29QANzHoA Message-Id: <20050205095108.EC72B47EBF4@ha-smtp2.tiscali.nl> Subject: RE: Recommendations for partitioning tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:51:11 -0000 I don't think there is a tool that also supports Windows 2003, if what you want is resizing the partitions. You'll probably have to resort to manually backuping and recreating the partitions (or maybe send a mail to Powerquest, where they will probably be working on a version of Partition Magic that does support Windows 2003, and volunteer in testing it). Good Luck, Ed -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Joaquin Menchaca Sent: zaterdag 5 februari 2005 4:11 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Recommendations for partitioning tool Hi, I am looking for a tool like Partition Magic, so that I can shrink partitions, create new ones, and make my laptop available for installing FreeBSD. I have Partition Magic, but unfortunately, I have Win2K3 on one partition, and PM detects it and refuses to run. Aarrgh. Is there any easy to use tool to shrink down my NTFS partition, delete and create other partitions out there? -- Joaquin Menchaca _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 10:38:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AECD16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:38:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp109.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp109.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD6A043D54 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:38:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from public@aryanameri.com) Received: from unknown (HELO maral) (aryanameri@212.175.149.4 with plain) by smtp109.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2005 10:38:42 -0000 From: Aryan Ameri To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:38:38 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502051238.38800.public@aryanameri.com> Subject: no /usr/ports directory X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:38:43 -0000 Hi there, New to FreeBSD and this is my first message to a BSD mailing list. Hope to learn a lot from you guys. I am reading the Handbook and chapter 4 which deals with packages and ports repeatedly refers to the /usr/ports directory. The problem is that I don't have this directory on my system. I am using FreeBSD 5.3 on a x86 machine. A simple google and browing the archives of this list didn't bear much fruit. Have I missed something during the installation? Cheers -- /* Only the dead have seen the end of war -- Plato */ Aryan Ameri From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 10:50:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E40816A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:50:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.banot.net (95.Red-80-36-245.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.36.245.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F1343D4C for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:50:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imobachgs@banot.net) Received: from gofio (unknown [192.168.1.31]) by smtp.banot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3790C9CA02 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:50:41 +0000 (WET) From: Imobach =?iso-8859-1?q?Gonz=E1lez_Sosa?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:50:25 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.91 References: <200502051238.38800.public@aryanameri.com> In-Reply-To: <200502051238.38800.public@aryanameri.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502051050.25584.imobachgs@banot.net> Subject: Re: no /usr/ports directory X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:50:45 -0000 On Saturday 05 February 2005 10:38, Aryan Ameri wrote: > Hi there, > > New to FreeBSD and this is my first message to a BSD mailing list. Hope > to learn a lot from you guys. > > I am reading the Handbook and chapter 4 which deals with packages and > ports repeatedly refers to the /usr/ports directory. The problem is > that I don't have this directory on my system. I am using FreeBSD 5.3 > on a x86 machine. A simple google and browing the archives of this list > didn't bear much fruit. Have I missed something during the > installation? Ok, it happens because you didn't tell sysinstall to install the ports=20 collection. You could: 1) go into sysinstall and choose "ports" from Configure->Distributions. If = you=20 got a FreeBSD CD, it install the ports from it. This step is optional, but= =20 could save you some time. 2) cvsup -L2 -g -h A-MIRROR-NEAR-YOU /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile This second step will upgraded your ports collection (or will create it if = you=20 didn't follow the step 1). Change A-MIRROR-NEAR-YOU for just a mirror. Good luck! =2D-=20 Imobach Gonz=E1lez Sosa imobachgs en banot punto net osoh en jabber.org From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 11:32:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFFF16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:32:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741F443D45 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:32:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050205113236i9100k4hate>; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:32:36 +0000 Message-ID: <4204AED3.2050509@nbritton.org> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 05:32:35 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Imobach_Gonz=E1lez_Sosa?= References: <200502051238.38800.public@aryanameri.com> <200502051050.25584.imobachgs@banot.net> In-Reply-To: <200502051050.25584.imobachgs@banot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no /usr/ports directory X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:32:37 -0000 Imobach Gonzбlez Sosa wrote: >On Saturday 05 February 2005 10:38, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > >>Hi there, >> >>New to FreeBSD and this is my first message to a BSD mailing list. Hope >>to learn a lot from you guys. >> >>I am reading the Handbook and chapter 4 which deals with packages and >>ports repeatedly refers to the /usr/ports directory. The problem is >>that I don't have this directory on my system. I am using FreeBSD 5.3 >>on a x86 machine. A simple google and browing the archives of this list >>didn't bear much fruit. Have I missed something during the >>installation? >> >> > >Ok, it happens because you didn't tell sysinstall to install the ports >collection. You could: > >1) go into sysinstall and choose "ports" from Configure->Distributions. If you >got a FreeBSD CD, it install the ports from it. This step is optional, but >could save you some time. > >2) cvsup -L2 -g -h A-MIRROR-NEAR-YOU /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile >This second step will upgraded your ports collection (or will create it if you >didn't follow the step 1). > > Use option 2 as a method of last resort for "creating" the ports system on your computer. It's taxing on the servers and is generally the slowest way you can create the ports system, my uncompressed ports tree is 400MB (excluding ./distfiles). Also there is another method listed in Michael Lucas's Absolute BSD book, a good book for a newbie to pickup, also pickup The Complete FreeBSD (4th Ed.) by Greg 'groggy' Lehey and then when your an expert newbie (?, lol) pickup a copy of Unix Power Tools (3rd Ed.) published by O'Reilly. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 11:43:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74BB16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:43:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B61EF43D39 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:43:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herbert.feutl@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Feb 2005 11:43:31 -0000 Received: from jennersdorf2-191-149.wco.wellcom.at (EHLO [192.168.0.66]) (195.230.191.149) by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 05 Feb 2005 12:43:31 +0100 X-Authenticated: #19369275 Message-ID: <4204B175.4020407@gmx.at> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:43:49 +0100 From: Herbert Feutl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Discovered a new browser... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:43:33 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hello did someone know a real good mp3player which needs nearly no resources an looks usable? herbert Tom Huppi schrieb: > > I have several old machines here and there, and developments in X > and current browsers are really starting to hurt. I remember > fondly the days when the open-source crowd refered to Microsoft > software as 'bloatware'. > > What is really killing me are large pages like Python's html > documentation which I keep locally. I just discovered a solution > for _that_ problem which I thought I'd share and which I doubt > that everyone is aware of. It's a browser called 'dillo'. It's > written in C, and it seems extraordinarily fast. It's > capabilities are quite limited (doesn't even do frames correctly), > but it's still very usable for a lot of things. In fact, I kinda > like how it does Google's 'groups' frames page. It just puts the > right frame down below. It also seems more stable than 'Oprah' > which, when I tried it several years ago, was *the* most unstable > thing I've ever tried to run on FreeBSD with the possible > exception of the windows CAD program 'microstation95' running > through 'wine' :) > > Anyway, it might be worth looking at. It can be built from the > ports collection and tried out in the time it takes to start > mozilla. I can almost say that *literally*! > > Thanks, > > - Tom > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iQEVAwUBQgSxddNyNgDoRe9BAQL5swgAp+TShgJNLM5V4TRbWYQtQcE2+JBs3bNA W1biPNgMOA4V1pOMCbvzf2lBxUtNWuPaT2DANoJLtfZOCcy9wx6sYIoY7AhLQJjs zmQ6Nyzk/3AwiXxt0Rh0fr8uWzYWeMtISV/1GWY9kNIsBKPwG4pVqk9A/g1DJR9G xmGM4qWA+1Yg/fLksb2LN4Ky+7YGFUNs2L/uEEjxVR9oq0hhFJ8J0rK7Hm4sRrfI MFP3gHzdm/V4Fby+pCpMvxXBQ1TCw/jL1EVto/iiQMZSdPI5AvgZSkLcRMaVGK4y vGb8Ots5l3Vz9QJULcPeHc62ZfSu75V2TSJPV8dZGzBUoEl4PjG9pA== =xVMv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 11:48:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BE616A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:48:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.banot.net (95.Red-80-36-245.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.36.245.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8759343D31 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:48:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imobachgs@banot.net) Received: from gofio (unknown [192.168.1.31]) by smtp.banot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D089F6C5 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:48:17 +0000 (WET) From: Imobach =?iso-8859-1?q?Gonz=E1lez_Sosa?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:48:02 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.91 References: <4204B175.4020407@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: <4204B175.4020407@gmx.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502051148.02870.imobachgs@banot.net> Subject: Re: Discovered a new browser... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:48:20 -0000 On Saturday 05 February 2005 11:43, Herbert Feutl wrote: > hello > > did someone know a real good mp3player which needs nearly no resources > an looks usable? maybe mp3blaster is what you're looking for. You also could increase the=20 numbers of threads to improve performance. Give it a try! =2D-=20 Imobach Gonz=E1lez Sosa imobachgs en banot punto net osoh en jabber.org From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 12:11:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A2C16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:11:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428B843D41 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:11:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050205121135i9100k4hhle>; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:11:35 +0000 Message-ID: <4204B7F6.3030700@nbritton.org> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 06:11:34 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Imobach_Gonz=E1lez_Sosa?= References: <4204B175.4020407@gmx.at> <200502051148.02870.imobachgs@banot.net> In-Reply-To: <200502051148.02870.imobachgs@banot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Discovered a new browser... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:11:36 -0000 Imobach Gonzбlez Sosa wrote: >On Saturday 05 February 2005 11:43, Herbert Feutl wrote: > > >>hello >> >>did someone know a real good mp3player which needs nearly no resources >>an looks usable? >> >> > >maybe mp3blaster is what you're looking for. You also could increase the >numbers of threads to improve performance. > >Give it a try! > > > cplay all the way! audio/cplay From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 13:26:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8938C16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:26:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3553B43D4C for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:26:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcd_advisory@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81754 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2005 13:26:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20050205132658.81752.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.248.172.15] by web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 05:26:58 PST Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:26:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mervin McDougall To: Joaquin Menchaca , freebsd-newbies In-Reply-To: <420438B3.9050506@finnovative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Leaving FreeBSD for Linux - Please Don't Hurt Me X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:26:59 -0000 --- Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > In some ways I feel saddened, as I like FreeBSD. > However, I can > sympathize with you. I tried different Linux > distros, and they are far > far far easier to configure and setup, than FreeBSD. > They have nice > intuitive graphical facilities. > > On the negative side of things for Linux, some > distros (not all of them) > are very insecure. I noticed insecure older > versions of tools like > OpenSSL, ISCA DHCP, SAMBA, etc. included with the > distros like RedHat. > These should be updated ASAP, either through the pay > facility or > do-it-yourself. It's hard to keep track of what > stuff they added, and > what is broken/insecure. I think that with Linux, > you have to become > knowledgeable on how to harden and secure the > system. I feel that > FreeBSD seems a bit more secure out of the getgo. > > I personally use both FreeBSD and Linux at home. I > like the ports > directory and I like the security common-sense > emphasis in FreeBSD. I > feel more comfortable with it being a server. > Because of this, I have > FreeBSD as the server, and Linux as the > development/desktop system. > > For Linux, I professionally (work environ) like > SuSE, but lot of places > use RedHat. Personally, I like gentoo. But then I > have 64-bit computers > (amd64, ppc, and ultra sparc) and I can roll out a > buff 64-bit system, > which makes a big difference in performance on Intel > platform, i.e. amd. > > --- joaquin > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Just to clarify something that you mentioned, the reason why you may find older packages with Redhat is simply because redhat is no longer supported or at least the hobbyist version. Redhat has changed its business structure to concentrate more on enterprise customers. If you are looking for a redhat based system that is pretty much cutting edge then my suggestion is go with Fedora Core. The only thing I would personally like to see come out of freebsd is more support for i386 laptops besides desktops. Though the system is great for desktop machines. I feel the system is a bit lagging when it comes to lapotops and I believe it is to good a system to be on desktops alone. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 14:02:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C78816A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:02:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D815D43D48 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:02:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@riverside-cms.co.uk) Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CxQWO-0005uT-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:02:48 +0100 Received: from [82.40.120.36] (helo=[82.40.120.36]) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CxQWN-0000mB-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:02:47 +0100 Message-ID: <4204D207.6060209@riverside-cms.co.uk> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:02:47 +0000 From: David Baird User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <42043960.50403@finnovative.net> In-Reply-To: <42043960.50403@finnovative.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:77f52b78daa5315dec1b4d31276dbb81 Subject: Re: Recommendations for partitioning tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:02:49 -0000 Check out System Rescue CD (http://www.sysresccd.org/) It's Linux on a bootable CD image, with various tools including a graphical partitioning tool that can handle NTFS (I used it on Win XP). d. Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a tool like Partition Magic, so that I can shrink > partitions, create new ones, and make my laptop available for installing > FreeBSD. > > I have Partition Magic, but unfortunately, I have Win2K3 on one > partition, and PM detects it and refuses to run. Aarrgh. > > Is there any easy to use tool to shrink down my NTFS partition, delete > and create other partitions out there? > > -- Joaquin Menchaca > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 16:04:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A70E16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:04:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 66BE843D2D for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:04:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alejandro@varnet.biz) Received: (qmail 26491 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2005 16:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.varnet.bsd) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 5 Feb 2005 16:04:52 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 200.115.214.206 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:05:18 -0300 From: Alejandro Pulver To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20050205130518.00416fb1@ale.varnet.bsd> In-Reply-To: <4203F5E2.8080605@nbritton.org> References: <20050204201505.A75EDC031@postfix3-2.free.fr> <4203F5E2.8080605@nbritton.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loading module for sound chip SiS 7102 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:04:54 -0000 On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:23:30 -0600 Nikolas Britton wrote: > Yea, find a better translation service... Put these in /boot/loader.conf: > sound_load="YES" > snd_driver_load="YES" > hw.snd.maxautovchans=4 'sysctl' settings (like 'hw.snd.maxautovchans=4') should be put in '/etc/sysctl.conf', not in '/boot/loader.conf'. Check sysctl.conf(5). I have the following in my '/etc/sysctl.conf': hw.snd.pcm0.vchans=4 hw.snd.maxautovchans=4 The first line will work only if your card is detected at system boot (with entries in '/boot/loader.conf' or statically compiled into the kernel). Also 'snd_driver' will automatically load the required module 'sound' (it is the same including it or not; personally I include both). Best Regards, Ale From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 17:15:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436AC16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:15:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE29D43D3F for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:15:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cmc3list-bsd@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (cmc2goat@swbell.net@67.65.4.124 with plain) by smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2005 17:15:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4204FF81.90908@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:16:49 -0600 From: Chris Conn User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Newbies References: <20050205132658.81752.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050205132658.81752.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Leaving FreeBSD for Linux - Please Don't Hurt Me X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:15:10 -0000 I use both... Slackware Linux 10 on a dual boot PII (with Win98) and FreeBSD 5.3 on a standalone PIII. I started with FreeBSD 2.4 because somebody at work (AIX Technical Support) said I should try it and that it was a lot like AIX. A couple of years later I added a Slackware partition on the PII and then eventually got this standalone box for FreeBSD. I have a lot of respect for Patrick and the job he does with Slackware and the community is great too. Practically I use my FreeBSD box because one of the kids (out of 3) is always dominating the Win98 part of the PII and this box is mine mine mine :-). My setup is almost identical on both boxes, using Window Maker as my desktop and running most of the same stuff. The other box has a bigger monitor and more disk space, but I'm planning on doubling the memory in this one from 256 to 512MB. And I'd like to add a DVD drive to this box too, catch up on some of my movies (since the kids dominate the TV too). This isn't a conflict to me... I support AIX (so that's my professional OS) and my recreational OS's are FreeBSD and Linux. With this caveat: if Slackware weren't around I don't know if I would spend much time with Linux. I chose it because I find it very much like FreeBSD. I have friends at work who use Gentoo and like it, and there are a lot of IBM DeveloperWorks papers that are written based on Gentoo. BTW if I may make a shameless plug, as someone said earlier :-) I have a small FreeBSD Users list, trying to build up our membership a little. We have about 40 members now and it's small and informal, would like to get more people onboard. Topics are open, chat or technical, whatever. Sign up if you're interested, newbies are welcome. It's a bunch of FreeBSD users who get together, not part of (or meant to compete with) the regular FreeBSD lists. Here's the link: http://www.whee.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users -- Chris Conn http://storm.cadcam.iupui.edu/~cmcgoat Austin, Texas, USA From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 19:14:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA16416A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:14:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9126943D53 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:14:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olivier@gautherot.net) Received: from ogautherot (du-209-130.nat.adsl.claranet.fr [212.43.209.130]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E452A67C6 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:14:32 +0100 (CET) From: Olivier Gautherot To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:14:50 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501302015.j0UKFeAe012048@www1.kc.aoindustries.com> <200501302015.j0UKFpOh012067@www1.kc.aoindustries.com> <420439AF.2090208@finnovative.net> In-Reply-To: <420439AF.2090208@finnovative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502052014.51077.olivier@gautherot.net> Subject: Re: BLOCKED: Mail Delivery (failure martin@good-ear.com) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:14:34 -0000 > Some one is being naughty?!? Beware that any file named c:\windows\system32\win.com is a virus and you should remove it. If the system becomes unstable, it is highly recommended to reformat the disk and install FreeBSD instead. I am not responsible for any loss this fix may cause ;-) > martin@good-ear.com wrote: > > Your message has not been delivered because it contains at least one > > restricted attachment. > > > > Recipient...........: martin@good-ear.com > > Subject.............: Mail Delivery (failure martin@good-ear.com) > > Detected Extensions.: scr > > > > If you did not send this message, the most likely cause is a virus on > > another computer. The virus has used your email address as the from > > address. As a result, this automated response has been sent to you. > > [snip] From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 20:37:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BD616A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:37:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C41D43D49 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:37:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alfredoj69@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so551900wra for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:37:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FonNt8xihMHfnY7NOCO31sZSyxYnqAVJMPRYsYuFWLlI9C/I+a5FWEwc+/Sf/kuUUZhKAzTcpE9ZNuTkZ5AO/6JX+GvtzOwm4jAULgG0LqiLqju2+w93MVahFLDbx3nLHMb8gm91o3s0W/dvtPZVFrbbIqGJgJQpsectyQvzFQU= Received: by 10.54.24.73 with SMTP id 73mr209231wrx; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.26.33 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:37:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:37:07 -0500 From: Alfredo Perez To: Herbert Feutl In-Reply-To: <4204B175.4020407@gmx.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4204B175.4020407@gmx.at> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Discovered a new browser... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alfredo Perez List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:37:09 -0000 Whta about XMMS, have you tried it yet? On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:43:49 +0100, Herbert Feutl wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > hello > > did someone know a real good mp3player which needs nearly no resources > an looks usable? > > herbert > > Tom Huppi schrieb: > > > > I have several old machines here and there, and developments in X > > and current browsers are really starting to hurt. I remember > > fondly the days when the open-source crowd refered to Microsoft > > software as 'bloatware'. > > > > What is really killing me are large pages like Python's html > > documentation which I keep locally. I just discovered a solution > > for _that_ problem which I thought I'd share and which I doubt > > that everyone is aware of. It's a browser called 'dillo'. It's > > written in C, and it seems extraordinarily fast. It's > > capabilities are quite limited (doesn't even do frames correctly), > > but it's still very usable for a lot of things. In fact, I kinda > > like how it does Google's 'groups' frames page. It just puts the > > right frame down below. It also seems more stable than 'Oprah' > > which, when I tried it several years ago, was *the* most unstable > > thing I've ever tried to run on FreeBSD with the possible > > exception of the windows CAD program 'microstation95' running > > through 'wine' :) > > > > Anyway, it might be worth looking at. It can be built from the > > ports collection and tried out in the time it takes to start > > mozilla. I can almost say that *literally*! > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) > > iQEVAwUBQgSxddNyNgDoRe9BAQL5swgAp+TShgJNLM5V4TRbWYQtQcE2+JBs3bNA > W1biPNgMOA4V1pOMCbvzf2lBxUtNWuPaT2DANoJLtfZOCcy9wx6sYIoY7AhLQJjs > zmQ6Nyzk/3AwiXxt0Rh0fr8uWzYWeMtISV/1GWY9kNIsBKPwG4pVqk9A/g1DJR9G > xmGM4qWA+1Yg/fLksb2LN4Ky+7YGFUNs2L/uEEjxVR9oq0hhFJ8J0rK7Hm4sRrfI > MFP3gHzdm/V4Fby+pCpMvxXBQ1TCw/jL1EVto/iiQMZSdPI5AvgZSkLcRMaVGK4y > vGb8Ots5l3Vz9QJULcPeHc62ZfSu75V2TSJPV8dZGzBUoEl4PjG9pA== > =xVMv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >