From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:29:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC79116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:29:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4144843D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:29:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j160T4qr012536; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:29:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j160T4It012535; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:29:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:29:04 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mauro Message-ID: <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:29:05 -0000 On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 01:08:04AM -0700, Mauro wrote: > > That's one theory, and another is that the WiFi manufacturers don't > > want to allow hackers to modify radio power settings or they'll > > lose their FCC licenses for the product. .. > I don't buy the theory about government frequencies. This theory asks > one to believe that government frequencies are not intercepted or > tampered with in some fashion. They are tampered with and can be done > so easily. Legally sold scanners enable one to listen in to all sorts > of private signals. One, don't top post -- it looses context. This isn't a Mickysoft list. Two isssue isn't necessarily about receiving certain frequencies as you assume. As Peter said one of the issues is the FCC doesn't want you to set the TRANSMITTING POWER above a certain power. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:42:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1900416A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:42:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CD843D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:42:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j160gPqS012850; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:42:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j160gOGx012849; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:42:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:42:24 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Phil Regnauld , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206004224.GM9350@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20050119110040.GE87408@catpipe.net> <41EEF498.5050902@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41EEF498.5050902@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Subject: Re: PCI device support in PPC port X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:42:40 -0000 On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 10:00:24AM +1000, Peter Grehan wrote: > Hi Phil, > >I have an Adaptec 2930 or similar lying around -- what are the chances > >it will function under FreeBSD/PPC ? I seem to remember that PCI device > >initialization and firmware are not the same for i386 vs. PPC. Any idea ? It has a good chance of working if you get a Sun Adaptec 2940, which has FCode. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 02:18:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC0416A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:18:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAAF43D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:18:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcepeda@ualberta.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.118] (really [142.59.231.163]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP <20050206021810.THST24691.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@[192.168.0.118]> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:18:10 -0700 From: Mauro To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:18:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:18:12 -0000 On Sat, 2005-05-02 at 16:29 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 01:08:04AM -0700, Mauro wrote: > > > That's one theory, and another is that the WiFi manufacturers don't > > > want to allow hackers to modify radio power settings or they'll > > > lose their FCC licenses for the product. > .. > > I don't buy the theory about government frequencies. This theory asks > > one to believe that government frequencies are not intercepted or > > tampered with in some fashion. They are tampered with and can be done > > so easily. Legally sold scanners enable one to listen in to all sorts > > of private signals. > > One, don't top post -- it looses context. This isn't a Mickysoft list. > > Two isssue isn't necessarily about receiving certain frequencies as you > assume. As Peter said one of the issues is the FCC doesn't want you to > set the TRANSMITTING POWER above a certain power. > To clarify my statement concerning ethnocentrism, don't assume we're all american and that the FCC dictates to non-americans their ideas concerning radio waves. So on a global level, the excuse that the FCC doesn't approve doesn't wash. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 05:43:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557E316A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:43:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.server.rpi.edu (smtp1.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A6743D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:43:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp1.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j165huTX024014; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:43:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:43:54 -0500 To: Mauro , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 05:43:58 -0000 At 7:18 PM -0700 2/5/05, Mauro wrote: >On Sat, 2005-05-02 at 16:29 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > >To clarify my statement concerning ethnocentrism, >don't assume we're all american and that the FCC dictates to >non-americans their ideas concerning radio waves. So on a global >level, the excuse that the FCC doesn't approve doesn't wash. It "washes" when it comes to the company that MAKES the equipment in question. The problem here is not with FreeBSD developers, it is with Broadcom. We're all just speculating at their reasons, and that is clearly a complete waste of time if people are going to get all upset about "ethnocentrism". Nobody on this mailing list is trying to ram anything down anyone else's throat. We're not guessing at "what all the people on the planet" want, we are guessing at the motives of Broadcom. If it happens that Broadcom does want to keep the FCC happy, so they can sell their products in the US, that is not the fault of anyone on this list. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 07:23:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4E216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:23:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882D843D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:23:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcepeda@ualberta.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.118] (really [142.59.231.163]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP <20050206072329.MLAI24691.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@[192.168.0.118]>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:23:29 -0700 From: Mauro To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org, Garance A Drosihn In-Reply-To: References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:23:23 -0700 Message-Id: <1107674603.4131.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:23:31 -0000 On Sun, 2005-06-02 at 00:43 -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > with Broadcom. We're all just speculating at their reasons, > and that is clearly a complete waste of time if people are going > to get all upset about "ethnocentrism". Nobody on this mailing > list is trying to ram anything down anyone else's throat. > > We're not guessing at "what all the people on the planet" want, > we are guessing at the motives of Broadcom. If it happens that > Broadcom does want to keep the FCC happy, so they can sell their > products in the US, that is not the fault of anyone on this list. > I wasn't under the impression this was an american list. I'm not attacking anyone on the list. You seem to think I'm making a moral judgement on a particular person, I'm not. Nor do I find fault with the list for broadcom's poor comportment. My point is that that speculation can't account for Broadcom's reluctance to release specs globally. And I stand behind that. Now any speculation that must happen must take place within a global worldview because we live in a world where business is global and Freebsd is global just as Broadcom is a global business. And I dare to presume that this list is also global as I don't believe it limits its discussion to American topics or how technology solely affects the American human condition. I'm a living example of this this "gobalness", I don't live in the states and I got airport extreme. Thus, I don't care what the FCC says, not do I think its dictates affect me. A pet peeve with me is when I used to get americans telling me that a product should be available because the FDA allows it. Shazam! We're not in the states so the FDA has no jurisdiction, and I could care less about the FDA or the FCC ... is what I would tell them! Last I checked the US depended on foreign trade for most of its economy. Thus, internationalism is the perspective we should be considering. Having said that, I think it good that we can speculate. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 14:50:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6BE16A4D3 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:50:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moof.catpipe.net (moof.catpipe.net [195.249.214.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F44A43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:50:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from regnauld@moof.catpipe.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.catpipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D2C70603; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:49:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from moof.catpipe.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moof.catpipe.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47640-10; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:49:56 +0100 (CET) Received: by moof.catpipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B809270602; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:49:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:49:56 +0100 From: Phil Regnauld To: Mauro Message-ID: <20050206144956.GB47631@moof.catpipe.net> References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107674603.4131.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1107674603.4131.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE i386 Organization: catpipe Systems ApS User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at catpipe.net cc: Garance A Drosihn cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:50:21 -0000 Mauro (mcepeda) writes: > > I'm not attacking anyone on the list. You seem to think I'm making a > moral judgement on a particular person, I'm not. Nor do I find fault > with the list for broadcom's poor comportment. My point is that that > speculation can't account for Broadcom's reluctance to release specs > globally. And I stand behind that. Now any speculation that must > happen must take place within a global worldview because we live in a > world where business is global and Freebsd is global just as Broadcom is > a global business. Yes, well fine. Why don't you initiate a lobby group like OpenBSD does ? They seem to be having success. They might even already have something going on for Broadcom. Alternatively, contact Broadcom and tell them you're not happy. > And I dare to presume that this list is also global > as I don't believe it limits its discussion to American topics or how > technology solely affects the American human condition. No, but it's off topic at this point. And discussing the technical aspects of reverse engineering the Broadcom specs or similar would still be off-topic, as this is the PPC discussion list. [lots of valid but ultimately off-topic comments deleted]. Cheers, Phil From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 17:24:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A819616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:24:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0907243D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:24:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcepeda@ualberta.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.119] (really [142.59.231.163]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP <20050206172434.LAES5734.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@[192.168.0.119]> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:24:34 -0700 From: Mauro To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050206144956.GB47631@moof.catpipe.net> References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107674603.4131.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206144956.GB47631@moof.catpipe.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:24:32 -0700 Message-Id: <1107710672.4106.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: airport extreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:24:35 -0000 > Why don't you initiate a lobby group like > OpenBSD does ? They seem to be having success. They might > even already have something going on for Broadcom. Alternatively, > contact Broadcom and tell them you're not happy. I have. Openbsd has considered if not already added broadcom to the their lobby list. As of right not I have been in contact with my old comp prof to evaluate how to proceed. > > > And I dare to presume that this list is also global > > as I don't believe it limits its discussion to American topics or how > > technology solely affects the American human condition. > Maybe I should have written,"American human/computer experience" or the "quality of Amercan ppc computer experience". > No, but it's off topic at this point. And discussing the > technical aspects of reverse engineering the Broadcom specs or > similar would still be off-topic, as this is the PPC discussion list. OT? The off topic stuff is a pedagogical device to make demonstrate the similarity between the ethnocentrism of assuming broadcom's global product, airport extreme, is catering to the US and American tourists presuming that the FDA holds world jurisdiction. It's called an analogy. Ultimately if airport extreme is a ppc product, then airport extreme is on topic. Finally it was me who set the topic, as I started this message tree. Mo From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 04:59:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF96816A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:59:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE25D43D6B for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:59:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j174xDkc009035; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:59:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j174xBmR009032; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:59:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:59:11 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mauro Message-ID: <20050207045911.GA8619@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 04:59:19 -0000 On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 07:18:06PM -0700, Mauro wrote: > On Sat, 2005-05-02 at 16:29 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 01:08:04AM -0700, Mauro wrote: > > > I don't buy the theory about government frequencies. This theory asks > > > one to believe that government frequencies are not intercepted or > > > tampered with in some fashion. They are tampered with and can be done > > > so easily. Legally sold scanners enable one to listen in to all sorts > > > of private signals. > > > > One, don't top post -- it looses context. This isn't a Mickysoft list. > > > > Two isssue isn't necessarily about receiving certain frequencies as you > > assume. As Peter said one of the issues is the FCC doesn't want you to > > set the TRANSMITTING POWER above a certain power. > > To clarify my statement concerning ethnocentrism, > don't assume we're all american and that the FCC dictates to > non-americans their ideas concerning radio waves. So on a global level, > the excuse that the FCC doesn't approve doesn't wash. It sure does then the company in question is a USA company. They certainly *ARE* under the FCC's regulatory jurisdiction. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 07:25:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5C916A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:25:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB9B43D64 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:25:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcepeda@ualberta.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.120] (really [142.59.231.163]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP <20050207072522.OXKL13203.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@[192.168.0.120]> for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:25:22 -0700 From: Mauro To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050207045911.GA8619@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050207045911.GA8619@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 00:25:17 -0700 Message-Id: <1107761117.5639.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 07:25:24 -0000 On Sun, 2005-06-02 at 20:59 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 07:18:06PM -0700, Mauro wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-05-02 at 16:29 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 01:08:04AM -0700, Mauro wrote: > > > > I don't buy the theory about government frequencies. This theory asks > > > > one to believe that government frequencies are not intercepted or > > > > tampered with in some fashion. They are tampered with and can be done > > > > so easily. Legally sold scanners enable one to listen in to all sorts > > > > of private signals. > > > > > > One, don't top post -- it looses context. This isn't a Mickysoft list. > > > > > > Two isssue isn't necessarily about receiving certain frequencies as you > > > assume. As Peter said one of the issues is the FCC doesn't want you to > > > set the TRANSMITTING POWER above a certain power. > > > > To clarify my statement concerning ethnocentrism, > > don't assume we're all american and that the FCC dictates to > > non-americans their ideas concerning radio waves. So on a global level, > > the excuse that the FCC doesn't approve doesn't wash. > > It sure does then the company in question is a USA company. They > certainly *ARE* under the FCC's regulatory jurisdiction. > I doubt very much they are under FCC regulations because more than likely their manufacturing occurs outside of the states as this is the de facto. Without outsourcing one cannot remain competitive on the world level. Consider competitors are selling products for cheap by having them built in third world countries, outside the jurisdiction of the FCC, and thus forcing local companies to do the same. In doing so they are free of the FCC. Consider this analogy ... There were (some say still are) polygamous religious organizations in the US. Well, US marriage laws have not stopped these organizations from their beliefs and more importantly practising polygamy. They hope on over to Canada to practise it where localities in BC turn a blind eye. I think it is referred to as "wife smuggling". The point is if you can't do something within a nation because of restrictive laws, why should you be obliged to follow if you perform (manufacture) them outside your governmental regulatory confines considering the larger global market may not have the same FCC restrictions or you can just get away with it (and that catering to the global market is surely more profitable). From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 07:37:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1F516A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:37:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2245843D48 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:37:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcepeda@ualberta.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.120] (really [142.59.231.163]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP <20050207073741.QRZO24702.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@[192.168.0.120]> for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:37:41 -0700 From: Mauro To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050207045911.GA8619@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050207045911.GA8619@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 00:37:36 -0700 Message-Id: <1107761856.5631.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 07:37:42 -0000 On Sun, 2005-06-02 at 20:59 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 07:18:06PM -0700, Mauro wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-05-02 at 16:29 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 01:08:04AM -0700, Mauro wrote: > > > > I don't buy the theory about government frequencies. This theory asks > > > > one to believe that government frequencies are not intercepted or > > > > tampered with in some fashion. They are tampered with and can be done > > > > so easily. Legally sold scanners enable one to listen in to all sorts > > > > of private signals. > > > > > > One, don't top post -- it looses context. This isn't a Mickysoft list. > > > > > > Two isssue isn't necessarily about receiving certain frequencies as you > > > assume. As Peter said one of the issues is the FCC doesn't want you to > > > set the TRANSMITTING POWER above a certain power. > > > > To clarify my statement concerning ethnocentrism, > > don't assume we're all american and that the FCC dictates to > > non-americans their ideas concerning radio waves. So on a global level, > > the excuse that the FCC doesn't approve doesn't wash. > > It sure does then the company in question is a USA company. They > certainly *ARE* under the FCC's regulatory jurisdiction. > Really, so I assume you would hold that American companies who benefit from overseas sweat shops and child labour follow american regulatory agencies dictates (considering that clothing manufacturing occurs overseas as with computer manufacturing)? From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 15:00:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA74716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:00:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aphrodite.gwi.net (aphrodite.gwi.net [207.5.128.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C5643D4C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:00:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcoombs@gwi.net) Received: from failure (murdoc.gwi.net [207.5.142.8]) by aphrodite.gwi.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with SMTP id j17Exx0m077726; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:00:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jcoombs@gwi.net) Message-ID: <02e201c50d25$a4e10ad0$1700a8c0@failure> From: "Joshua Coombs" To: "Mauro" , References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050207045911.GA8619@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107761856.5631.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:59:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:00:01 -0000 >> It sure does then the company in question is a USA company. They >> certainly *ARE* under the FCC's regulatory jurisdiction. >> > > Really, so I assume you would hold that American companies who benefit > from overseas sweat shops and child labour follow american regulatory > agencies dictates (considering that clothing manufacturing occurs > overseas as with computer manufacturing)? If you want to sell your product in the US, and it transmits or recieves, or could possibly generate RF as a byproduct of it's operation, your product must meet all appropriate FCC regulations and recieve a certifcation from them. Doesn't matter where it's produced. Canada, most European nations, and others have a similar system. They all are generally working with the international body that covers similar functionality, the ITU. If the company is worried releasing firmware will invalidate their FCC cert to sell their product in the US, thats a pretty valid concern. Thats a large chunk of market to loose, not to mention the possibility of being fined at the same time. Net result, this isn't advancing the game. Can a driver be written without distributing the firmware? IE require the user download it, extract it from the windows distribuition, and place it in the correct spot? Joshua Coombs From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 18:09:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE3A16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:09:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (mail.finnovative.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BFF43D46 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:09:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.55.105]) by mail.finnovative.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:09:41 -0800 Message-ID: <4207AEE5.80500@finnovative.net> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:09:41 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <1106542417.29481.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F4ADC1.8070201@freebsd.org> <42017276.1010304@finnovative.net> <4201C54A.8090009@freebsd.org> <1107418085.4125.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050206002904.GJ9350@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107656286.4131.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050207045911.GA8619@dragon.nuxi.com> <1107761856.5631.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1107761856.5631.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2005 18:09:41.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[321D5BA0:01C50D40] Subject: Re: airport estreme with Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:09:42 -0000 > Really, so I assume you would hold that American companies who benefit > from overseas sweat shops and child labour follow american regulatory > agencies dictates (considering that clothing manufacturing occurs > overseas as with computer manufacturing)? One, you have to get FCC "approved" to sell electronic products in USA (irregardless of corporate origins). There's no choice in the matter. This sucks becuase there's cool gizmos from Asia I would like to have, but they haven't bothered with FCC "approval" and don't bother selling in USA. Europe gets the gizmos, so I am naturally jealous with envy. Second, we can go into a whole bunch of foulnes in the world. In USA, our culture, our legal system IMHO is being undermined by corporateering. It seems now corporations have more power, more rights than citizens with no criminal accountability. They easily buy all the political capital they need at the expense of democracy. Many so-called US corporations are not even officially US corporations, but rather international corporations, so they can avoid paying taxes, and comit atrocities everywhere, at approval of corrupt foreign local governments, and a blind eye by US politicians. Also in Europe, at least in Eastern parts, there's rampant criminal activity (some seem stronger than governments can manage) that par-take in arms trade, slave trade and sex slave trade. There's also export of organ trade from latin americas to Europe. We could go into Africa, genocide, world failure there, or other parts of the world. But instead, letz try to make a small little better patch of the world. Let's use FreeBSD and try to make it better for everyone. OpenSource is having a profound affect on the world. There's more opportunity for sharing of ideas, beyond what corrupt governments, systems, corporations in the world were able to offer before. regards, jm From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 08:45:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE41316A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:45:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A3143D5A for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:45:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j188jX0o089970 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:45:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j188jXtJ089969 for freebsd-powerpc@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:45:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:45:33 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-powerpc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Subject: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:45:35 -0000 Hi All, I'd really like to do something about the problem with GCC on FreeBSD/PowerPC -- problem is I don't have working system I can use to do this. The G4 that was to go into the FreeBSD.org cluster didn't work out. Does anyone have a login they can loan me for this work? :-) -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 08:54:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E7716A4D1; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:54:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moof.catpipe.net (moof.catpipe.net [195.249.214.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5F143D49; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:54:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from regnauld@catpipe.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.catpipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7377A70624; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:54:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from moof.catpipe.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moof.catpipe.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17985-09; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:54:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from vinyl.catpipe.net (vinyl.catpipe.net [195.249.214.189]) by moof.catpipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4833C7060C; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:53:56 +0100 (CET) Received: by vinyl.catpipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 1CB4439852; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:53:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:53:53 +0100 From: Phil Regnauld To: David O'Brien Message-ID: <20050208085351.GD72326@catpipe.net> References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 Organization: catpipe Systems ApS User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at catpipe.net cc: freebsd-powerpc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:54:17 -0000 David O'Brien (obrien) writes: > Hi All, > > I'd really like to do something about the problem with GCC on > FreeBSD/PowerPC -- problem is I don't have working system I can use to do > this. The G4 that was to go into the FreeBSD.org cluster didn't work > out. > > Does anyone have a login they can loan me for this work? :-) I do have a G4/400 you can use -- I can setup the ISO snap from a couple of months ago on it, and give you remote access, unless someone else has a better/faster machine ? Phil From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 12:23:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C23016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:23:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tungsten.twistweb.com (tungsten.twistweb.com [216.177.24.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A809143D46 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:23:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rj@rjt.org) Received: from [172.16.21.68] (unknown [12.110.132.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tungsten.twistweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8617240A4 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:23:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4208AF58.60004@rjt.org> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:23:52 -0500 From: "Ryan J. Taylor" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-powerpc@freebsd.org References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> In-Reply-To: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:23:56 -0000 David O'Brien wrote: > I'd really like to do something about the problem with GCC on > FreeBSD/PowerPC -- problem is I don't have working system I can use to do > this. The G4 that was to go into the FreeBSD.org cluster didn't work > out. > > Does anyone have a login they can loan me for this work? :-) I can send you a G4/400 for keeps if you plan on spending time on the PowerPC port. RJ From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 00:08:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEEC16A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:08:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB79943D2F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:08:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1908eWX020608; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:08:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:08:40 -0500 To: obrien@freebsd.org, freebsd-powerpc@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:08:43 -0000 At 12:45 AM -0800 2/8/05, David O'Brien wrote: >Hi All, > >I'd really like to do something about the problem with GCC on >FreeBSD/PowerPC -- problem is I don't have working system I can >use to do this. The G4 that was to go into the FreeBSD.org >cluster didn't work out. > >Does anyone have a login they can loan me for this work? :-) I could give you a login on my mini-Mac, but I don't always leave that running. (it is sometimes running MacOS 10, and sometimes I leave it turned off). I'd also be happy to contribute to the mini-Mac for O'Brien fund, with the idea that it's probably to my benefit if you happened to be working on the same model of Mac that I use for FreeBSD/ppc... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 13:01:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2888816A4FA for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:01:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F189443D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:01:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joeldiaz@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id j19D16CS013673; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.162.235.182] (rdu162-235-182.nc.rr.com [24.162.235.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j19D10pc006528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:01:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joel Diaz Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:00:55 -0500 To: Garance A Drosihn , freebsd-powerpc@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:01:07 -0000 On Feb 8, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 12:45 AM -0800 2/8/05, David O'Brien wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I'd really like to do something about the problem with GCC on >> FreeBSD/PowerPC -- problem is I don't have working system I can >> use to do this. The G4 that was to go into the FreeBSD.org >> cluster didn't work out. >> Does anyone have a login they can loan me for this work? :-) > > I could give you a login on my mini-Mac, but I don't always leave > that running. (it is sometimes running MacOS 10, and sometimes I > leave it turned off). > > I'd also be happy to contribute to the mini-Mac for O'Brien fund, > with the idea that it's probably to my benefit if you happened to > be working on the same model of Mac that I use for FreeBSD/ppc... > > -- I don't know how many people would be willing to do this, but there is www.freemacminis.com. The company is legit (my girlfriend got an iPod Mini from them). We could all pitch in. I think the Mac Mini requires 10 people to sign up for one of their offers. Many of them cost under $10. Joel From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 15:24:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3814D16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:24:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.vide.lv (mail.vide.lv [213.175.69.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37A5C43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:24:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dexter@ambidexter.com) Received: (qmail 30859 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 16:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (213.175.79.146) by mail.vide.lv with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 16:26:48 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:24:01 +0200 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Michael Dexter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: Re: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:24:11 -0000 Hello all, >>I'd also be happy to contribute to the mini-Mac for O'Brien fund, >>with the idea that it's probably to my benefit if you happened to >>be working on the same model of Mac that I use for FreeBSD/ppc... >> >>-- >I don't know how many people would be willing to do this, but there >is www.freemacminis.com. The company is legit (my girlfriend got an >iPod Mini from them). We could all pitch in. I think the Mac Mini >requires 10 people to sign up for one of their offers. Many of them >cost under $10. I recently donated a G4 to gallatin. Is this machine working and can it serve this purpose? I am also happy to contribute to the fund. How does freemacmini.com work? Their site does not give an explanation without logging in. Does it offer BTO so that the various wireless components can be tested? Broadcom notwithstanding. :( I can put up to $250 US into the fund if others are willing to join in. Can this go through the FreeBSD Foundation for tax purposes? Michael. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 16:00:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D1616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:00:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.server.rpi.edu (smtp1.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FC243D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:59:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp1.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j19FxvWN027855; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:59:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:59:56 -0500 To: Michael Dexter , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:00:02 -0000 At 5:24 PM +0200 2/9/05, Michael Dexter wrote: >Hello all, > >>>I'd also be happy to contribute to the mini-Mac for O'Brien fund, >>>with the idea that it's probably to my benefit if you happened to >>>be working on the same model of Mac that I use for FreeBSD/ppc... >> >>I don't know how many people would be willing to do this, but there >>is www.freemacminis.com. I would rather not bother with that. >I recently donated a G4 to gallatin. Is this machine working and >can it serve this purpose? I (personally) think it would be better to set David up with his own. I think the more FreeBSD'ers have their own machines to work on, the faster we'll see progress on PPC. And I'm sure David would finds ways to put one to good use. >I am also happy to contribute to the fund. [...] > >I can put up to $250 US into the fund if others are willing to join >in. Can this go through the FreeBSD Foundation for tax purposes? I'm willing to contribute $150. Given the price of the Mac-Mini, it shouldn't take too many more contributions before we can get a decent configuration. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:19:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9229716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:19:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5236E43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:19:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id j19HIw7a012860; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-24-17-100-138.client.comcast.net [24.17.100.138]) (authenticated bits=0)j19HIu7g003087; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:18:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0697195b8765ced7a35740baad12fcb9@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Leimbach Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:18:53 -0800 To: Garance A Drosihn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:19:05 -0000 On Feb 9, 2005, at 7:59 AM, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 5:24 PM +0200 2/9/05, Michael Dexter wrote: >> Hello all, >> >>>> I'd also be happy to contribute to the mini-Mac for O'Brien fund, >>>> with the idea that it's probably to my benefit if you happened to >>>> be working on the same model of Mac that I use for FreeBSD/ppc... >>> >>> I don't know how many people would be willing to do this, but there >>> is www.freemacminis.com. > > I would rather not bother with that. > >> I recently donated a G4 to gallatin. Is this machine working and >> can it serve this purpose? > > I (personally) think it would be better to set David up with his own. > I think the more FreeBSD'ers have their own machines to work on, the > faster we'll see progress on PPC. And I'm sure David would finds ways > to put one to good use. > >> I am also happy to contribute to the fund. [...] >> >> I can put up to $250 US into the fund if others are willing to join >> in. Can this go through the FreeBSD Foundation for tax purposes? > > I'm willing to contribute $150. Given the price of the Mac-Mini, it > shouldn't take too many more contributions before we can get a decent > configuration. > I'm a bit short this month but I'll gladly throw in 50 bucks. :) I can toss in more later to put us over the top, if needs be. Dave > -- > Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu > Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:34:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE2B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:34:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1716543D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:34:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bkelly@vadev.org) Received: (qmail 13305 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 19:34:58 -0000 Received: from nat.argoneng.com (HELO [192.168.33.57]) (Desdicardo@[208.247.255.11]) (envelope-sender )AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Feb 2005 19:34:58 -0000 Message-ID: <420A65DE.3080905@vadev.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:34:54 -0500 From: Ben Kelly User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:34:59 -0000 >>>> I'd also be happy to contribute to the mini-Mac for O'Brien fund, >>>> with the idea that it's probably to my benefit if you happened to >>>> be working on the same model of Mac that I use for FreeBSD/ppc... > I (personally) think it would be better to set David up with his own. > I think the more FreeBSD'ers have their own machines to work on, the > faster we'll see progress on PPC. And I'm sure David would finds ways > to put one to good use. > >> I am also happy to contribute to the fund. [...] >> >> I can put up to $250 US into the fund if others are willing to join >> in. Can this go through the FreeBSD Foundation for tax purposes? > > > I'm willing to contribute $150. Given the price of the Mac-Mini, it > shouldn't take too many more contributions before we can get a decent > configuration. Please add me to list. I am willing to contribute $100. Thanks. - Ben From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 23:27:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E341A16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:27:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3390443D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:27:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.144.19.141] (CPE-19-141.dsl.OntheNet.net [203.144.19.141]) j19NRBnP098261; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:27:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <420A9DAF.6050908@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:33:03 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:27:16 -0000 >>> I don't know how many people would be willing to do this, but there >>> is www.freemacminis.com. > > > I would rather not bother with that. Yes, does look a bit pyramid-scheme-ish/spam harvesting. >> I can put up to $250 US into the fund if others are willing to join >> in. Can this go through the FreeBSD Foundation for tax purposes? I just sent an email to the Foundation asking if they could be a clearing house for this type of donation. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 09:24:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A5216A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:24:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (mail.finnovative.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405D743D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:24:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([192.168.55.1]) by mail.finnovative.net over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:24:38 -0800 Message-ID: <420B2860.4080405@finnovative.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:24:48 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <41F170F1.2010701@finnovative.net> <41F3AFBD.60505@freebsd.org> <41F47300.3050406@freebsd.org> <41F47C1C.2060608@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 09:24:38.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[57C7E460:01C50F52] Subject: Re: Mac mini and FreeBSD - dmesg.boot! X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:24:39 -0000 > And of course, I also have some MacOS-related things to test. > This Mac-mini is in my office, and if it works out well then > I'll probably buy another one to replace a G4 cube that I am > still using for some things at home. You might consider a speed bump for the cube. I got a 1.7 GHz G4, but now I hear there's a dual-processor daughter card for the cube. - joaquin From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:49:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B4816A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:49:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.vide.lv (mail.vide.lv [213.175.69.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 094F143D4C for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:49:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dexter@ambidexter.com) Received: (qmail 27107 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 12:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (213.175.79.146) by mail.vide.lv with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 12:52:21 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:49:31 +0200 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Michael Dexter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: Mac mini fund X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:49:37 -0000 Hello all, If my calculations are correct, we have raised $550 towards a Mac mini for FreeBSD PPC development/toolchain work. In theory money could be PayPal'd to http://freebsdfoundation.org/donating.shtml Some coordination would be needed to make sure the money goes to the right fund and that the order is taken care of. Configuration requirements? If O'Brien needs only shell access, would it best reside somewhere else where physical access is needed and multiple needs can be met? Pledges: Michael Dexter $250 Garance Alistair Drosehn $150 Ben Kelly $100 David Leimbach $50 Michael. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:16:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9074416A4CE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:16:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11ED043D3F; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:16:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.9]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ALGU6i042142; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:16:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ALH8ec011734; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:17:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 59EC17306E; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:16:30 -0500 (EST) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20050210211630.59EC17306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:16:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.82/704/Thu Feb 10 06:37:18 2005 on smarthost2.sentex.ca X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.82, clamav-milter version 0.82 on clamscanner2 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [current tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:16:31 -0000 TB --- 2005-02-10 20:03:39 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2005-02-10 20:03:39 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for powerpc/powerpc TB --- 2005-02-10 20:03:39 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2005-02-10 20:03:39 - cd /home/tinderbox/CURRENT/powerpc/powerpc TB --- 2005-02-10 20:03:39 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2005-02-10 20:09:06 - building world (CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-10 20:09:06 - cd /home/tinderbox/CURRENT/powerpc/powerpc/src TB --- 2005-02-10 20:09:06 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything TB --- 2005-02-10 21:16:29 - building generic kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2005-02-10 21:16:29 - cd /home/tinderbox/CURRENT/powerpc/powerpc/src TB --- 2005-02-10 21:16:29 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Thu Feb 10 21:16:29 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel [...] with your /usr/src/sys and install a new config binary before trying this again. If running the new config fails check your config file against the GENERIC or LINT config files for changes in config syntax, or option/device naming conventions *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/powerpc/powerpc/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/powerpc/powerpc/src. TB --- 2005-02-10 21:16:30 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2005-02-10 21:16:30 - ERROR: failed to build generic kernel TB --- 2005-02-10 21:16:30 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 23:00:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8870816A4D2 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:00:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.server.rpi.edu (smtp1.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B23043D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:00:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp1.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1AN0meu001776; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:00:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:00:46 -0500 To: Michael Dexter , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: Mac mini fund X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:00:51 -0000 At 1:49 PM +0200 2/10/05, Michael Dexter wrote: > >If my calculations are correct, we have raised $550 towards a Mac >mini for FreeBSD PPC development/toolchain work. > >In theory money could be PayPal'd to > http://freebsdfoundation.org/donating.shtml > >Some coordination would be needed to make sure the money goes to >the right fund and that the order is taken care of. Configuration >requirements? In particular, I don't think we should send any money to that address until we know the folks at the Foundation have said they are set up for what we're contributing to... :-) (also, I might need to send by check. I think my PayPal account is a bit low right now) >If O'Brien needs only shell access, would it best reside somewhere >else where physical access is needed and multiple needs can be met? I want to be sure David has whatever access he needs to it, but after that I'm willing that it go to wherever it will provide the most progress for further work on FreeBSD/PPC. >Pledges: > Michael Dexter $250 > Garance Alistair Drosehn $150 > Ben Kelly $100 > David Leimbach $50 Someone else also offered privately, but I forget what amount they offered. (Hey, I'm not collecting the money! :-) ) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:10:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB9116A4D3 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:10:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A4043D41 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:10:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BMAI0f023965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id j1BMA8mI071553; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16909.11584.584347.148955@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:08 -0500 (EST) To: Michael Dexter In-Reply-To: References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WANTED: login on a FreeBSD/PowerPC system for toolchain work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:10:32 -0000 Michael Dexter writes: > > I recently donated a G4 to gallatin. Is this machine working and can > it serve this purpose? > Actually, you didn't donate it to me, you donated it to the FreeBSD Foundation. It was accepted with the intent of being installed in a development cluster so all developers could access it. Apparently space is at a premium in the main colo, and we can only place rack-mount boxes there, so it was decided to install it at the RTP cluster. Since I live 2 miles from the RTP cluster, I accepted the donation, spent a weekend installing FreeBSD on it, and bought a g-port serial console port and mini-din -> db9 adapter for it with my own money. After FreeBSD was installed, I carried it to the RTP cluster where it was physically placed in the rack and powered on by the rtp cluster admins. Its name is "scratch": It crashed at some point, and the rtp cluster admins who have physical access to the machine have been unresponsive. Unfortunately, I do not have physical access to the hardware, so the most I can do is ask for it to be rebooted. I'm upset at the situation, and I'm begninning to wish the machine had just been shipped to David... Drew From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:16:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1598F16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:16:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EE743D2D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:16:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BMGUVI024760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id j1BMGPcH071560; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:16:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16909.11960.955219.805144@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:16:24 -0500 (EST) To: Michael Dexter In-Reply-To: References: <20050208084533.GA89688@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mac mini fund X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:16:32 -0000 Michael Dexter writes: > > If O'Brien needs only shell access, would it best reside somewhere > else where physical access is needed and multiple needs can be met? > I wonder if they'll take a mini at the main colo. Its 0.25" too tall to fit nicely in a 1U rackmount slot, but its so small in other dimensions they could just ziptie it to something else as if it were a small ethernet switch ;) Drew