From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 8 01:03:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A099D16A4DE for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 01:03:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E3C43D7F for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 01:03:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.13.71.95] (CPE-71-95.dsl.OntheNet.net [203.13.71.95]) j4813jnP023163; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:03:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 11:03:36 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Dexter References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 01:03:51 -0000 Hi Michael, > My listing ends with the ad0: entry but no acd0: entry. Is the device > bay drive not supported? Yep, that's right. There's no equivalent yet to NetBSD's macppc/dev/mediabay.c > During initial CD boot, it read: > > Booted from: /pci@f2000000/mac-io@17/media-bay@34/ata-3@20000/disk@0 > / > /boot/kernel/kernet... > > Does that help any? Yep - it shows that the CD is underneath the mediabay node. The current ATA code only handles ATA devices directly attached to the mac-io node. I had a quick glance at the NetBSD code. It doesn't look difficult, so I'll put it on the TODO list. Might take a while though. later, Peter. 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Terry M. d'Angeles :) --=_terror.hungry.com-80060-1115672828-0001-2-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 10 15:44:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 680) id E186716A4D0; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:44:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:44:18 +0000 From: Darren Reed To: Max Laier Message-ID: <20050510154418.GC67017@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050502201921.4F0387306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> <4276C18F.1080207@freebsd.org> <200505062004.34884.max@love2party.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200505062004.34884.max@love2party.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: darrenr@freebsd.org cc: powerpc@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: Peter Grehan Subject: Re: [current tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:44:19 -0000 On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 08:04:22PM +0200, Max Laier wrote: > On Tuesday 03 May 2005 02:10, Peter Grehan wrote: > > I've sent mail to Darren about this: it's a PPC-only (well, maybe ARM > > as well) default-unsigned-char problem. For those that want to > > buildworld appended is the patch I'm using. > > [...] > Just saw your mail now. Darren has had enough time to veto against it. > Please go ahead, fix the build and shut up the tinderbox. Thanks! And I never would veto it... I don't quite get the "veto" bit, if something is broken someone should just fix it. I, at least, don't feel territorial about source code in FreeBSD. Darren From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 10 19:30:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F9016A4D0 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 19:30:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718E243D1F for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 19:30:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j4AJUWqv018900 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:30:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:30:32 -0400 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.4 Subject: Panic, 'giant not owned' kern_mutex.c:299 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:30:35 -0000 I just rebuilt my ppc system last night, and when I try to boot up off the new kernel I get: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s5 panic: mutex Giant not owned at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_mutex.c:299 KDB: enter: panic [thread pid 1 tid 100006 ] Stopped at 0x259ae4: lwz r11, r1, 0x0 db> Do you need more info than that? The machine did get far enough along that the USB keyboard is working, so I could type in commands to the debugger prompt. I'm going to try a call to doadump(), and see if that picks up anything. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 10 19:39:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F4E16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 19:39:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8434143D2F for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 19:39:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4AJdMQ3034083; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@ns1.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4AJdMUI034082; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:39:22 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Garance A Drosihn Message-ID: <20050510193922.GA34057@ns1.xcllnt.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic, 'giant not owned' kern_mutex.c:299 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:39:23 -0000 On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 03:30:32PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > I just rebuilt my ppc system last night, and when I try to boot up > off the new kernel I get: > > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s5 > panic: mutex Giant not owned at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_mutex.c:299 > KDB: enter: panic > [thread pid 1 tid 100006 ] > Stopped at 0x259ae4: lwz r11, r1, 0x0 > db> > > Do you need more info than that? This is the exact same thing I ran into on ia64. The problem appears to be the default setting of the debug.mpsafevm tunable. If you set it to 1 in the loader the problem is resolved, although you might run into other issues. grehan@ is onto it, so you can also wait for his commit and/or suggestion. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 10 20:54:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C334616A4CE for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 20:54:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6258543D69 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 20:54:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j4AKsSun017812; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:54:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050510193922.GA34057@ns1.xcllnt.net> References: <20050510193922.GA34057@ns1.xcllnt.net> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:54:27 -0400 To: Marcel Moolenaar From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.4 cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic, 'giant not owned' kern_mutex.c:299 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:54:29 -0000 At 12:39 PM -0700 5/10/05, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 03:30:32PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >> I just rebuilt my ppc system last night, and when I try to boot up >> off the new kernel I get: >> >> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s5 >> panic: mutex Giant not owned at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_mutex.c:299 >> KDB: enter: panic >> [thread pid 1 tid 100006 ] >> Stopped at 0x259ae4: lwz r11, r1, 0x0 >> db> >> >> Do you need more info than that? > >This is the exact same thing I ran into on ia64. The problem appears >to be the default setting of the debug.mpsafevm tunable. If you set >it to 1 in the loader the problem is resolved, although you might >run into other issues. grehan@ is onto it, so you can also wait for >his commit and/or suggestion. Thanks for the quick reply. I think I'll wait for an official fix, just to be on the safe side. Seems a little odd that this 'mpsafe' issues would be popping up on a single-CPU system... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 06:16:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B5F16A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:16:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8316243D6E for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:16:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.13.71.95] (CPE-71-95.dsl.OntheNet.net [203.13.71.95]) j4B6FvnP036300; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:15:58 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4281A312.2010808@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:15:46 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn References: <20050510193922.GA34057@ns1.xcllnt.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic, 'giant not owned' kern_mutex.c:299 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:16:01 -0000 >> This is the exact same thing I ran into on ia64. The problem appears >> to be the default setting of the debug.mpsafevm tunable. If you set >> it to 1 in the loader the problem is resolved, although you might >> run into other issues. grehan@ is onto it, so you can also wait for >> his commit and/or suggestion. > > Thanks for the quick reply. I think I'll wait for an official fix, > just to be on the safe side. Seems a little odd that this 'mpsafe' > issues would be popping up on a single-CPU system... I'm running a buildworld to see if inverting mpsafevm is OK. A pre-emptive UP kernel is isn't too far different from an MP system - it's still prone to locking issues and race conditions. BTW, should be getting the mini shortly ! later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 15:04:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B7516A4E9 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:04:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.vide.lv (mail.vide.lv [213.175.69.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AD5843D6D for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:04:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dexter@ambidexter.com) Received: (qmail 17175 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 14:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (213.175.79.146) by mail.vide.lv with SMTP; 12 May 2005 14:00:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:00:19 +0300 To: Peter Grehan From: Michael Dexter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:04:21 -0000 Peter and co., >>My listing ends with the ad0: entry but no acd0: entry. Is the >>device bay drive not supported? Yep, that's right. There's no equivalent yet to NetBSD's macppc/dev/mediabay.c Okay, so media bay will have to wait. Failing that, I concluded that it would be easiest to mount the PowerBook (Pismo) in FireWire "target disk mode" on an x86 system from which I can partition and install software either from install ISO binaries or source. Assumption: UFS2 under x86 will be the same as UFS2 under PowerPC. Flawed? Upon insertion, the console reports expected initialization plus: sbp0:0:0 Request type not supported ... many times but seems to initialize. I can run sysinstall and partition the drive. The error appears to come from the FireWire kernel module: http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/firewire/sbp.h?v=RELENG54 I've been using a "normal" external FireWire drive on 5.x for some time without problems, finding it more reliable (and faster) than USB drives. Then things get weird. I find that I often can only mount the PowerBook to the x86 host ONCE before the x86 host stops recognizing it. Sometimes a reboot of the x86 host allows the "external drive" to be initialized again but often only a complete host OS re-install will remedy the problem. At first I thought the external drive was getting corrupted and re-formatted it under Mac OS X. I ran 'ls -lart' on obvious parts of the host filesystem and did not see anything that would suggest it was changed by the operation. FS snapshots might help but the man pages seem to have gone away. Any ideas of what in the host OS I could re-load/re-initialize to get a "fresh" view of FireWire devices? Reboot usually doesn't help. Any similar experiences? Am I chasing FireWire driver bugs? If I could get this arrangement to work, my hope was to format the PowerBook as 1/2 HFS+ (for boot loader) with Disk Utility under Mac OS X and 1/2 UFS2 using sysinstall on the host x86 machine. I thought I had found the cause of the device recognition problem when I found the Mac/PC "Partition Scheme" options in Disk Utility but alternating between them proved not to make a difference, except that "PC Partition Scheme" will not allow HFS and hence the FreeBSD loader. No problem, maybe I could boot to CD for the loader or the external FireWire drive, given that Open Firmware appears to be FireWire-aware. Again assuming that UFS2 partitions created under x86 will work, I was hoping to use my binary jail trick to install FreeBSD using Peter's December miniinst.iso: cat /cdrom/base/base.?? | tar -Uxpf - -C /mnt (Where PowerBook is mounted) Else from source but I encountered the following build errors: Under 5.4 (not expected to work) ===> lib/libpthread "Makefile", line 41: Could not find /usr/src/lib/libpthread/arch/powerpc/Makefile.inc And under current: building shared library libasn1.so.7 Abort trap (core dumped) *** Error code 134 Stop in /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libasn1. *** Error code 1 Any ideas if the FireWire external drive approach "should" work? Was miniinst.iso created with a normal 'make release' process? Thanks, Michael. >>During initial CD boot, it read: >> >>Booted from: /pci@f2000000/mac-io@17/media-bay@34/ata-3@20000/disk@0 >>/ >>/boot/kernel/kernel... >> >>Does that help any? > > Yep - it shows that the CD is underneath the mediabay node. The >current ATA code only handles ATA devices directly attached to the >mac-io node. > > I had a quick glance at the NetBSD code. It doesn't look difficult, >so I'll put it on the TODO list. Might take a while though. > >later, > >Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 16:00:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6C116A4CE for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 16:00:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F0243D62 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 16:00:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j4CG0qwm006815; Thu, 12 May 2005 12:00:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:00:52 -0400 To: Michael Dexter From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.4 cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:00:56 -0000 At 6:00 PM +0300 5/12/05, Michael Dexter wrote: > >Assumption: UFS2 under x86 will be the same as UFS2 under >PowerPC. Flawed? I am pretty sure that UFS2 embeds some endian-specific info, and thus you can't move it from a little-endian (i386) to a big-endian (PPC) platform. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 16:42:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4181016A4CE for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 16:42:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.vide.lv (mail.vide.lv [213.175.69.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AAB043D3F for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 16:42:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dexter@ambidexter.com) Received: (qmail 8225 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 15:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (213.175.79.146) by mail.vide.lv with SMTP; 12 May 2005 15:36:44 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:36:26 +0300 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Michael Dexter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:42:44 -0000 >>Assumption: UFS2 under x86 will be the same as UFS2 under >>PowerPC. Flawed? > >I am pretty sure that UFS2 embeds some endian-specific info, >and thus you can't move it from a little-endian (i386) to a >big-endian (PPC) platform. Hmm. Has anyone experimented with yar's port of Apple HFS code in this context? Tiger introduces case-sensitivity (don't laugh) and perhaps a re-synced version of his kernel module could be built-in to give HFS-X bootability and a chance of the target-disk-mode formatting trick to work. http://people.freebsd.org/~yar/hfs/ Michael. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 02:12:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C2B16A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:12:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E540E43D3F for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:12:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.13.71.95] (CPE-71-95.dsl.OntheNet.net [203.13.71.95]) j4D2CBnP043137; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:12:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <42840CEF.4000200@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:11:59 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Dexter References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 02:12:17 -0000 Hi Michael, > Failing that, I concluded that it would be easiest to mount the > PowerBook (Pismo) in FireWire "target disk mode" on an x86 system from > which I can partition and install software either from install ISO > binaries or source. > > Assumption: UFS2 under x86 will be the same as UFS2 under PowerPC. Flawed? Yes :( The FreeBSD UFS code will only work on the endian type that created the filesystem. (NetBSD can be compiled to do this - it detects the disk endian and byte-swaps appropriately). PPC and i386 won't be able to read a UFS volume created by the other. Even though the kernel can't detect the media bay, the loader can still use it, so I'd recommend an NFS install. > Else from source but I encountered the following build errors: ... > And under current: > > building shared library libasn1.so.7 > Abort trap (core dumped) > *** Error code 134 > > Stop in /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libasn1. > *** Error code 1 The compiler needs to be patched http://people.freebsd.org/~grehan/sysv4.h.diff http://people.freebsd.org/~grehan/rs6000.c.diff > Was miniinst.iso created with a normal 'make release' process? Yep, on an eMac. All the release stuff is in the tree. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 02:14:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8655816A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:14:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBD343D79 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:14:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.13.71.95] (CPE-71-95.dsl.OntheNet.net [203.13.71.95]) j4D2EdnP043144; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:14:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <42840D82.6060404@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:14:26 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Dexter References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 02:14:42 -0000 > Hmm. Has anyone experimented with yar's port of Apple HFS code in this > context? Tiger introduces case-sensitivity (don't laugh) and perhaps a > re-synced version of his kernel module could be built-in to give HFS-X > bootability and a chance of the target-disk-mode formatting trick to work. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~yar/hfs/ The patch doesn't apply to current after some phk modifications to the buf code. I saw that Andrew Reiter created a p4 branch to bring this up to date: http://perforce.freebsd.org/branchView.cgi?BRANCH=hfs%5farr ... but it's a big job. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 03:04:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3765516A4CE; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:04:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C80C43D7D; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:04:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j4D340ol021507; Thu, 12 May 2005 23:04:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42840CEF.4000200@freebsd.org> References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> <42840CEF.4000200@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:04:00 -0400 To: Peter Grehan From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.2 cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 03:04:05 -0000 At 12:11 PM +1000 5/13/05, Peter Grehan wrote: >Hi Michael, > > >>Was miniinst.iso created with a normal 'make release' process? > > Yep, on an eMac. All the release stuff is in the tree. Has the miniinst.iso been updated recently? It might be nice to create a new one once the problem with CD-drives on Mac-mini's has been fixed... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 03:13:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C7E16A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:13:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0508543D41 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:13:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.13.71.95] (CPE-71-95.dsl.OntheNet.net [203.13.71.95]) j4D3DHnP043317; Fri, 13 May 2005 13:13:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <42841B40.2040007@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:13:04 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> <42840CEF.4000200@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 03:13:19 -0000 > Has the miniinst.iso been updated recently? Not since the first one. > It might be nice to create a new one once the problem with CD-drives on Mac-mini's > has been fixed... Absolutely :) Ditto with powerbook/ibook keyboard/mouse support. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 03:27:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0F416A4CE; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:27:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from boulez.cc.uottawa.ca (boulez.cc.uottawa.ca [137.122.6.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC7F43D6A; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:27:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rionda@gufi.org) Received: from scudiero.sig11.org (host109.thm10.resonet.uottawa.ca [137.122.74.109])j4D3Rj0l027000; Thu, 12 May 2005 23:27:46 -0400 Received: by scudiero.sig11.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 186FC2833DEB; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:27:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 05:27:23 +0200 From: Matteo Riondato To: Peter Grehan Message-ID: <20050513032721.GA7523@localhost.localdomain> References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> <42840CEF.4000200@freebsd.org> <42841B40.2040007@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42841B40.2040007@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-uottawa-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-uottawa-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: rionda@gufi.org cc: Garance A Drosihn cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 03:27:50 -0000 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 01:13:04PM +1000, Peter Grehan wrote: > Ditto with powerbook/ibook keyboard/mouse support. Just to know, Is the support for these devices coming soon? I'm tired to come to BSD conferences with my G3 iBook and Linux on it.. (don't say Net or Open please..) :-)) Best Regards --=20 Rionda aka Matteo Riondato Disinformato per default G.U.F.I. Staff Member (http://www.gufi.org) FreeSBIE Developer (http://www.freesbie.org) --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFChB6Y2Mp4pR7Fa+wRAnLCAJ9dTXRp44B/fVi6MK/5EXbMcS5uMQCgkg82 pksNlF/j30PkZNo7TLNEGiY= =tuac -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 04:54:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568DC16A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 04:54:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B83743D78 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 04:54:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.13.71.95] (CPE-71-95.dsl.OntheNet.net [203.13.71.95]) j4D4sAnP043707; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:54:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <428432E6.7080902@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:53:58 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matteo Riondato References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> <42840CEF.4000200@freebsd.org> <42841B40.2040007@freebsd.org> <20050513032721.GA7523@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20050513032721.GA7523@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 04:54:13 -0000 Hi Matteo, >> Ditto with powerbook/ibook keyboard/mouse support. > > > Just to know, > Is the support for these devices coming soon? > I'm tired to come to BSD conferences with my G3 iBook and Linux on it.. > (don't say Net or Open please..) > :-)) I think I've been saying that it's "soon" for way too long now :( Suffice to say I'm working on it. Unfortunately it's not as simple a piece of h/w as a PS/2 keyboard. Probably about time to get a FreeSBIE live CD built as well :) later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 09:32:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA27416A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 09:32:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.vide.lv (mail.vide.lv [213.175.69.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CEFD43D3F for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 09:32:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dexter@ambidexter.com) Received: (qmail 8069 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 08:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (213.175.79.146) by mail.vide.lv with SMTP; 13 May 2005 08:32:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42840D82.6060404@freebsd.org> References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> <42840D82.6060404@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:32:37 +0300 To: Peter Grehan From: Michael Dexter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:32:44 -0000 >>Hmm. Has anyone experimented with yar's port of Apple HFS code in >>this context? Tiger introduces case-sensitivity (don't laugh) and >>perhaps a re-synced version of his kernel module could be built-in >>to give HFS-X bootability and a chance of the target-disk-mode >>formatting trick to work. >> >>http://people.freebsd.org/~yar/hfs/ > > The patch doesn't apply to current after some phk modifications to >the buf code. I saw that Andrew Reiter created a p4 branch to bring >this up to date: > > http://perforce.freebsd.org/branchView.cgi?BRANCH=hfs%5farr > > ... but it's a big job. Is ext2 a viable alternative? I see that 5.4 (perhaps earlier versions too) now support sparse superblocks (eliminating a once-required tune2fs command) and that the module is included with GENERIC. (Though may need to be built-in to boot?) Might you have any insights as to if yar are Andrew are more appropriate/qualified to continue the HFS work? I see that yar's original work was sponsored in Moscow. If you haven't seen it, here's Apple's page on HFSX: http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1150.html#HFSX Case sensitivity and journaling may make it a viable alternative, licenses permitting. Maybe a naive assertion on my part! Michael. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 10:55:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBCB16A4CE; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:55:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from boulez.cc.uottawa.ca (boulez.cc.uottawa.ca [137.122.6.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8844343D6A; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:55:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rionda@gufi.org) Received: from scudiero.sig11.org (host109.thm10.resonet.uottawa.ca [137.122.74.109])j4DAtIi6010697; Fri, 13 May 2005 06:55:18 -0400 Received: by scudiero.sig11.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 29C762833DEB; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:54:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:54:54 +0200 From: Matteo Riondato To: Peter Grehan Message-ID: <20050513105453.GC7523@localhost.localdomain> References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> <42840CEF.4000200@freebsd.org> <42841B40.2040007@freebsd.org> <20050513032721.GA7523@localhost.localdomain> <428432E6.7080902@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <428432E6.7080902@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-uottawa-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-uottawa-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: rionda@gufi.org cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:55:24 -0000 --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 02:53:58PM +1000, Peter Grehan wrote: > Hi Matteo, >=20 > >>Ditto with powerbook/ibook keyboard/mouse support. > > > > > >Just to know, > >Is the support for these devices coming soon? > >I'm tired to come to BSD conferences with my G3 iBook and Linux on it.. > >(don't say Net or Open please..) > >:-)) >=20 > I think I've been saying that it's "soon" for way too long now :( >=20 > Suffice to say I'm working on it. Unfortunately it's not as simple a=20 > piece of h/w as a PS/2 keyboard. I know, and I want to thank you for all the work you do to make FreeBSD on ppc possible. > Probably about time to get a FreeSBIE live CD built as well :) We (as FreeSBIE project) are going to buy a MacMini soon and hope to release a FreeSBIE ppc ISO not so long after.=20 Best Regards --=20 Rionda aka Matteo Riondato Disinformato per default G.U.F.I. Staff Member (http://www.gufi.org) FreeSBIE Developer (http://www.freesbie.org) --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFChId92Mp4pR7Fa+wRArw5AKDV3o16AJS0g6gCTs/q4Ry83zdLSQCeMyiY KXRxTjIRJs+DjfI54GUNMV8= =IZhV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 14:49:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F90016A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:49:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.vide.lv (mail.vide.lv [213.175.69.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F06D43D31 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:49:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dexter@ambidexter.com) Received: (qmail 29859 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 13:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (213.175.79.146) by mail.vide.lv with SMTP; 13 May 2005 13:49:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050513105453.GC7523@localhost.localdomain> References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> <42840CEF.4000200@freebsd.org> <42841B40.2040007@freebsd.org> <20050513032721.GA7523@localhost.localdomain> <428432E6.7080902@freebsd.org> <20050513105453.GC7523@localhost.localdomain> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:49:26 +0300 To: Matteo Riondato From: Michael Dexter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:49:34 -0000 > > Probably about time to get a FreeSBIE live CD built as well :) > >We (as FreeSBIE project) are going to buy a MacMini soon and hope to >release a FreeSBIE ppc ISO not so long after. Speaking of which... I noticed that freebsie.org has not been resolving for awhile. I was hoping to look at the build scripts. Is FreeBSIE alive? I recall that the newer 5.x installs may use a live cd in some way, might the FreeBSIE method become an official variation? Opinion: using sysinstall pre- and post-installation is a great thing and installing from a live cd further blurs the transition from bare system and a working one... appreciated from an administrator's point of view. Michael. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 18:55:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6978016A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:55:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from boulez.cc.uottawa.ca (boulez.cc.uottawa.ca [137.122.6.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0046143D54 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:55:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rionda@gufi.org) Received: from scudiero.sig11.org (host109.thm10.resonet.uottawa.ca [137.122.74.109])j4DItgD1012012; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:55:43 -0400 Received: by scudiero.sig11.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6DC9C289796C; Fri, 13 May 2005 20:55:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:55:12 +0200 From: Matteo Riondato To: Michael Dexter Message-ID: <20050513185512.GJ7523@localhost.localdomain> References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> <42840CEF.4000200@freebsd.org> <42841B40.2040007@freebsd.org> <20050513032721.GA7523@localhost.localdomain> <428432E6.7080902@freebsd.org> <20050513105453.GC7523@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-uottawa-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-uottawa-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: rionda@gufi.org cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:55:47 -0000 --yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 05:49:26PM +0300, Michael Dexter wrote: > > > Probably about time to get a FreeSBIE live CD built as well :) > > > >We (as FreeSBIE project) are going to buy a MacMini soon and hope to > >release a FreeSBIE ppc ISO not so long after. >=20 > Speaking of which... >=20 > I noticed that freebsie.org has not been resolving for awhile. I was=20 > hoping to look at the build scripts. >=20 > Is FreeBSIE alive? Absolutely yes. Me and another developer gave a talk on FreeSBIE at=20 BSDCan this morning. On our mailing list, there is a discussion on the next FreeSBIE release and on our wiki (http://wiki.freesbie.org) you can read about future development. --=20 Rionda aka Matteo Riondato Disinformato per default G.U.F.I. Staff Member (http://www.gufi.org) FreeSBIE Developer (http://www.freesbie.org) --yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFChPgO2Mp4pR7Fa+wRAlKsAJ9ZwC1YwmWMxSreJWvIixm2dB7eDACfXoD4 h8IJZbdkfsqjDd1KVm7wAsA= =2oLK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 14 01:16:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADA116A4CE for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 01:16:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97E743D82 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 01:16:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [203.13.71.95] (CPE-71-95.dsl.OntheNet.net [203.13.71.95]) j4E1GknP048295; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:16:50 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <42855171.4090500@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:16:33 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Dexter References: <427D6568.3010505@freebsd.org> <42840D82.6060404@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 01:16:54 -0000 Hi Michael, > Is ext2 a viable alternative? I see that 5.4 (perhaps earlier versions > too) now support sparse superblocks (eliminating a once-required tune2fs > command) and that the module is included with GENERIC. (Though may need > to be built-in to boot?) It's not being built on PPC at the moment, and I've never tried it so not sure how it'd go. > Might you have any insights as to if yar are Andrew are more > appropriate/qualified to continue the HFS work? They're a helluva lot more appropriate/qualified to delve into that space than I am ! I think the issue for both of them is time. > If you haven't seen it, here's Apple's page on HFSX: > > http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1150.html#HFSX > > Case sensitivity and journaling may make it a viable alternative, > licenses permitting. Maybe a naive assertion on my part! Yar's HFS work is a direct port of the Darwin HFS code. FreeBSD has diverged a lot from Darwin in the filesystem area recently, making a port much more of an effort. Otherwise, it might have been feasible to drop in HFSX. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 14 08:15:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4C216A4D0 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 08:15:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sa11.bezeqint.net (sa11.bezeqint.net [192.115.104.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF85743D72 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 08:15:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from qazwsx@nana.co.il) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1])ESMTP id EC8F233C0F for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:12 +0300 (IDT) Received: from sa11.bezeqint.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sa11 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19171-08 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:12 +0300 (IDT) Received: from csexcoil (unknown [212.179.182.43])ESMTP for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:12 +0300 (IDT) Message-ID: <3812-2200556149153842@csexcoil> X-Priority: 1 From: "nana" To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1255 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bezeqint.net Subject: =?windows-1255?b?4ePp5+X6IOX67uXw5fog7vbn6ffl+g==?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 08:15:14 -0000 =EE=F9=F2=EE=ED =EC=EB=ED=3F =F0=EE=E0=F1 =EC=EB=ED =EC=F9=E1=FA =EB=EC =E4=E9=E5=ED =EE=E5=EC =E4=EE=E7= =F9=E1=3F =E1=E5=E0=E5 =EC=F6=E7=E5=F7 =F7=F6=FA =E1=E0=FA=F8 =E4=F6=E7=E5=F7 =F9=EC= =E9=F9=F8=E0=EC! http://www=2Eneto-jokes=2Enet From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 14 18:09:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6118F16A4CE for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 18:09:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.messaging.ch (exsmtp02.agrinet.ch [81.221.252.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6237843D5E for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 18:09:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toa@pop.agri.ch) Received: from [192.168.225.5] ([80.218.0.93]) by mail.messaging.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 14 May 2005 20:09:17 +0200 Message-ID: <42863EC5.9000603@pop.agri.ch> Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 20:09:09 +0200 From: Andreas Tobler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2005 18:09:17.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B70AFF0:01C558B0] Subject: Netbooting issues linux server, fbsd client X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 18:09:20 -0000 Hello all, first post here from my side. I'm in contact with Peter but maybe one of you has an idea what I'm missing. I have an Al and a ti book. Both are not ready to run fbsd out of the box. So I decided to netboot the two to save some disk headache issues. (The Albook is my production machine with darwin on.) Ok, I set up a linuxppc dhcp/bootp/nfs server to boot them. This works so far after some initial understanding problems. Now, I took the miniinst.iso, burnt a cd and unpacked the pkg's on the nfs server. Chown'ed everthing to root:root and exported it with rw,no_root_squash (similar to, if not equal, -maproot=root on bsd). With the kernel from the miniinst.iso I can boot and I see that the boot process is able to write to the nfs export. Unfortunately the Al book crashes right after invoking devd. The tibook on the otherside does not understand the usb, neither built in nor external. Peter posted test kernel named kernel.tibook, this kernel recognizes the Albook's usb and I can type from an external kbd. The odd thing is with this kernel that I can not write to the nfs export. The config on this export is the same for both kernels. I created an etc/fstab with the following entry: proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 192.168.225.25:/mnt/slice2/export/fbsd/root / nfs rw 0 0 The rc.conf in etc looks like this: defaultrouter="192.168.225.1" hostname="titanium.andreas.nets" ifconfig_gem0="inet 192.168.225.9 netmask 255.255.255.0" inetd_enable="YES" nfs_client_enable="YES" Now my problem, is there something missing in Peter's kernel? Or does something has changed since dec 04 in regard of nfs and write permissions? I have a chicken and egg problem, as soon as I can log in from remote, I could try building my own kernels but for this I need first physical access to the machine where I want to run fbsd on, to configure an account and network access(*). The tibook boots, but I can not enter anything on the kbd. The Al book boots, I can type but I can not save anything on the nfs. (*) right, I'm a newbie on FreeBSD ;) Has anybody a comment or an advice on how to go on? As said, I'm in contact with Peter, but I guess he will answer when I'm asleep :) Thanks in advance. Andreas