From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:16:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E52C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53907.mail.yahoo.com (web53907.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 67B3443D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59517 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 00:16:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2XX7SfE0mKVmpkuNhB6iTZlIo9yNtt/yISuyGXEAkF3MJD7Yqk75eG/jNiUdcIZ6Z6J6+0YPam3TawCUiHpnYvsH2uRoTRiBtY5411iknYJ4N8sGo7qKfvrTRavoIVxZX9jwQKms5t4jGG7s7w9x+KG9oWE5mveA68VfyF3csV8= ; Message-ID: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.157.54.246] by web53907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:21 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: des@des.no Subject: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:16:23 -0000 it was cried into the wilderness of rancor by Dag-Erling Smørgrav on Fri Feb 11 09:30:50 2005: >Likewise, Beastie is a mascot, not a logo. In fact, it fails the >primary and most important test of logoness: it is not exclusive to >the FreeBSD project, but is shared by all BSD projects. It also fails >several other important tests of logoness: it is not under the FreeBSD >project's direct control (our use of it is subject to the whim and >mercy of Kirk McKusick); it is not a registered trademark; it is >probably too diluted already to even be eligible to be registered as a >trademark. FINALLY! A worthwhile point of view - not obscured by emotion or reproduction mumbo-jumbo! These are extremely important points, the most important being Beastie doesn't belong to FreeBSD in any way, shape, or form. This fact renders all other arguments moot. Forget all of the "tradition", "offense", "professional", etc. time-wasting, bandwidth consuming crapola that's been posted on this topic. I submit that whether or not replacing Beastie as FBSD's main symbol is a good idea is irrelevant. It is _necessary_. A company needs to exclusively control an undiluted brand identifier. Does anyone know of a business, other than the odd one person or family run shop that doesn't have that? Would you trust a friend to hold the rights to your logo (mascot, whatever)? Then why should FreeBSD? Of course, the Project could buy the rights to Beastie, but then we run into the "dilution" problem Mr. Smørgrav mentions. The image is non-exclusive to FBSD. Even worse, I recall a post on questions@ by someone reporting its use by a condom machine company in England and Wales. Trying to enforce clear trademark use is hard enough. For the Project to go after unauthorized use of Beastie would be expensive and probably impossible. So there it is. Mr. Smørgrav should be thanked for a business-based reason for the change by making an irrefutable argument. Those that STILL disagree should consult a lawyer that specializes in intellectual property law. Still going to use Beastie when I can, Stheg P.S. My agreement with Mr. Smørgrav's argument should not be construed as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few commiters that made comments on this topic, a discussion took place among the commiters who then unilaterally made the decision. As is obvious, this was a very bad idea. I propose that in the future, such discussions be held on a special-use list to avoid the appearance of "you're neither important nor smart enough to discuss this" and to prevent the list-pollution we are now seeing on questions@. P.P.S. Whether you agree with my position on this or not, will those who comments on this topic have devolved into "I'm going to make my point to that idiot yet" posts PLEASE TAKE IT OFF QUESTIONS@? Your one-upmanship makes both sides look stupid and makes useful information, like Mr. Smørgrav's points, difficult to find. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442EF16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57EF43D3F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2750551DF4; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:42:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:42:04 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: stheg olloydson Message-ID: <20050213004204.GA91920@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050213001621.59515.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:05 -0000 --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:16:21PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: > P.S. My agreement with Mr. Sm?rgrav's argument should not be construed > as agreeing with what many (me included) perceive as the sneaky way > this issue has been handled. Based on the comments from the few > commiters that made comments on this topic, a discussion took place > among the commiters who then unilaterally made the decision. Sorry, but that's how the FreeBSD project works and always has worked. The FreeBSD Core team has always decided policy for the FreeBSD project, and they can handle it any way they like, including making unilateral decisions with consulting with the FreeBSD user base. For better or worse, FreeBSD is not a democracy of users - if you thought otherwise then you were just mistaken. Kris --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCDqJbWry0BWjoQKURAkYiAKCJH9S36V+qhaG8c4r+WZvRX8+sLQCfcdZz 536HSGYZWm/+zGQdy6QD1Eo= =6nzv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 00:52:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A1816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFCD43D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rlurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so482478rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JxdHTQVb7ZRLLJn9XieMvXbr2HooMp7IC+HG8ezrbsUiHbffJJQenrr1tEg02s/MOaLTKs4n5UDg1iRBcX2y0AMwtjAlL6puK81unCoEBIYcbE1hpL+suQxy8vy5bMe4tDATJ5jc+X8vKB5Psjelc7IokD4b+v6xilGV7oTig+g= Received: by 10.38.73.33 with SMTP id v33mr22891rna; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.149.30 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:52:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:52:08 -0500 From: RL To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: RL List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:09 -0000 This has to be the most compilcated subject to me. I just purchased a new domain from godaddy. I have a few questions I am not totally clear about yet. 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like 8080? Thanks. Again, this stuff just confuses the heck out of me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:44:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A735C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E7E43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C4D661C0008F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC4DA1C0008E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014423705.AC4DA1C0008E@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:44:23 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <103254962.20050213024423@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <868y5tv44w.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> <868y5tv44w.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:44:25 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > I think you know the answer to that question perfectly well. There is no answer to that question. That's part of the problem. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:45:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2963416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D911B43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 14F931C00082 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F06211C00081 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014519984.F06211C00081@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:45:08 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1006435004.20050213024508@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420E7B91.6070800@401.cx> References: <163678746.20050212124602@wanadoo.fr> <1198432873.20050212130307@wanadoo.fr> <86is4xvhdk.fsf@xps.des.no> <1965285046.20050212214343@wanadoo.fr> <420E7B91.6070800@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Pleasedon'tchange Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:45:21 -0000 Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg writes: > A downloaded copy that still exists? ;) How does the downloader know whether the copy is authorized or not? How does he prove it to the copyright holder and/or the licensee? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:48:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFD316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168E743D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 757CF1C00084 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 558E11C00082 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213014853350.558E11C00082@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:48:53 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:48:54 -0000 darren kirby writes: > That is just not right. Perhaps for Redhat, SuSe et al this may be the case, > but what do you expect? MS is their primary (only?) competition. Whatever happened to UNIX _servers_? > There are a million different reasons to run Linux, and a million > different types of people that run it. There are almost no reasons to run Linux instead of UNIX. > Now you seem to be implying that the only difference between any two > operating systems is what the GUI looks like. No, although sometimes that is actually the case. > So what's your solution, feed the Redmond beast? My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. > In my experience, the developers are the quiet ones that speak with their > software. There are all sorts of developers nowadays. The days when they were all quiet are long gone. > Again, I am not trolling, and I am not a Linux zealot. I run FreeBSD, > Linux, Solaris and any other free unix I can get my hand on. Why? > Because I think they're cool. All of them. Including Linux. I run operating systems to get work done. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:50:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3C916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DDA43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [192.168.0.42] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5100234E7E3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:06 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:03 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:50:08 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > >> Thank you for supporting vendor lock-in. > > Recognizing, not supporting. Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. >> Do don't even bother asking people who will suggest alternatives, >> because it's not what you want to hear. > > It's not a matter of what I want or don't want. I don't have any > choice. That's business. Rarely. You have no choice but to play Sims 2, eh? Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one format. http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh But like I said...you don't want to seek a change, so you wouldn't even want to look for an alternative. Maybe not everyone out there looking for information is in your position, so I'd rather let them find this post with some hope of finding something that may suit their needs rather than your postings of "FreeBSD can't run , so don't even bother trying..." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:54:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05E916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A68C43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:53:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 090971C00087 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D936D1C00085 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213015358889.D936D1C00085@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:58 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:54:00 -0000 Paul Mather writes: > I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor > ultimately accountable for its code. Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on support requests, because they can lose a lot more than just a support contract if they fail to do so. > By that, I mean you can file "problem reports" or "trouble tickets" or > whatever the phrase du jour is, but the company is ultimately under no > obligation to fix them. Vendors can fix problems; third-party support companies cannot. > Also, if you read your license carefully, they don't guarantee the OS > will work, nor are you protected against it destroying your data. Many of those disclaimers have never been tested in court. The notion that all a software company need guarantee is a readable CD is very extreme and untested; personally, I rather doubt that it would survive a test. It's hard to explain why a mere CD should cost $2500. > MSCEs aren't "ultimately accountable" for Windows code, but they > get hired all the time to fix things and build solutions, right? They are hired to build, not to fix. When things need to be fixed, Microsoft Product Support gets the call. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 01:56:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B20716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1330843D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 43E3A1C0008B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 26D5A1C00084 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213015655159.26D5A1C00084@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:56:54 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:56:56 -0000 Bart Silverstrim writes: > Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > Rarely. Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible with other business partners. > Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one > format. Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage in looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best choice. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:02:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E1A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007E943D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tbonius@comcast.net) Received: from ostros (c-24-18-102-54.client.comcast.net[24.18.102.54]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005021302022701600iges8e>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:27 +0000 Message-ID: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> From: "Thomas Foster" To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:02:28 -0000 > My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install > the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. > -- > Anthony > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that all depends on the environment... What amazes me is the subject line of this thread feeding every single person to put their two cents in.. including myself.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:32:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2908916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D7243D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:31:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33596110 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27297-04 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985BA60F0 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:31:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:32:12 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... A request to the moderators... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:32:00 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > > >>Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. > > > Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > > >>Rarely. > > > Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are > driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible with > other business partners. > > >>Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one >>format. > > > Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage in > looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best > choice. > I respectfully ask the moderator of the list to kill these threads. People keep feeding this animal, and the animal remains. It's apparent that many wish not to try to stick with the rules of the list. That being said, I pose the question again to the moderator - Please, kill these threads that have nothing to do with the list itself. -- Best regards, Chris The big guys always win. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:36:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D272A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D8643D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so487048rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:36:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aVJmh0QPOvePdHuxNfnbM1oZB6cKju4Ks5044VyqoaLL3GdyqBd5bXilY4TIDsrRGmzbEu1RTjQP67efYZ0BGGMVqxW41Kbbkf4H+2DtZ4luax+7txhnDigelU3MlmHYFmZl4TQq46TqeXZv15Iu7VD96NjpAG2ZAG4XAQGVI68= Received: by 10.38.161.60 with SMTP id j60mr31251rne; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.74.23 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:35:59 +0100 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: where can i find the subfont.ttf ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:36:00 -0000 where can i find the subfont.ttf for mplayer ? ... Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 02:54:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0E416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grover.logicsquad.net (ppp140-249.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.140.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 276BF43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paulh@logicsquad.net) Received: (qmail 8373 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Feb 2005 02:54:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:24:36 +1030 From: "Paul A. Hoadley" To: RL Message-ID: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:54:39 -0000 --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0500, RL wrote: > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. I assume both of those services are dynamic DNS providers, and I'll assume your cable provider gives you a dynamic IP address. Dynamic DNS providers don't provide you with a static IP, but rather nameservice for your domain. The provider will nominate some subset of their nameservers for you to register (with the registrar that sold you the domain name) as providing DNS for your new domain. The idea is that whenever your IP address changes, you contact the dynamic DNS provider (in some provider-specific way---e.g., a web form, a local script) to update your A record. > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? Almost certainly not, for two reasons. You need a static IP address to lodge with your registrar. (I guess it would be _possible_ to manually update the address with your registrar every time it changes, but quite impractical.) Further, you need to provide at least two nameservers for your domain. Again, it is _possible_ that you could personally provide one, and use a DNS provider as a secondary. > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? =20 Not unless you solve all of the problems above, and then discuss the issue with your ISP---since they own the IP address, they run the corresponding part of the in-addr.arpa zone, and the specific PTR record you will require. > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email > from/to name@mynewdomain.com? This you'll be able to do. You need to add an MX record to your zone file at the dynamic DNS provider. You would want mail sent to the host named in the A record. > I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service > called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? If _your_ ISP blocks port 25, then you'll have to do _something_ to get around that, but I don't know if that particular service is the right solution. > Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like > 8080? There's certainly nothing _intrinsically_ special about port 25. However, it's the port that everyone's agreed to send mail to. If your sendmail was listening on port 8080, how would my sendmail know? --=20 Paul. w http://logicsquad.net/ h http://paul.hoadley.name/ --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQFCDsFs730Z/jysbzIRAqwpAJY0qA3F2v+V7t+QDlRkFkbBL8uqAJ9jUXhe XnjmEc/emqj06M0AH3Ab2A== =UoRA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:11:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9769016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B344C43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rlurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so488917rng for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mpHAYTk1LpPEV9CzFnnwbtqfimxfocNde0kF0UdpPa/Rc4BXnJ+g4pFrT5qB97DBZJDOFej1YqifYggzA3VBJggef8VrHGf+/xsyHT+N9THVayb8IeAHE5s/RO5HJlph3N7TqineeEwcdDI7EEU46gSRGUkwlY0gUMsrT77oP1I= Received: by 10.38.59.27 with SMTP id h27mr17354rna; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.149.30 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:11:38 -0500 From: RL To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050213025436.GB3936@grover.logicsquad.net> Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: RL List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:11:39 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:24:36 +1030, Paul A. Hoadley wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0500, RL wrote: > > > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. > > I assume both of those services are dynamic DNS providers, and I'll > assume your cable provider gives you a dynamic IP address. Dynamic > DNS providers don't provide you with a static IP, but rather > nameservice for your domain. The provider will nominate some subset > of their nameservers for you to register (with the registrar that sold > you the domain name) as providing DNS for your new domain. The idea > is that whenever your IP address changes, you contact the dynamic DNS > provider (in some provider-specific way---e.g., a web form, a local > script) to update your A record. > > > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? > > Almost certainly not, for two reasons. You need a static IP address > to lodge with your registrar. (I guess it would be _possible_ to > manually update the address with your registrar every time it changes, > but quite impractical.) Further, you need to provide at least two > nameservers for your domain. Again, it is _possible_ that you could > personally provide one, and use a DNS provider as a secondary. > > > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? > > Not unless you solve all of the problems above, and then discuss the > issue with your ISP---since they own the IP address, they run the > corresponding part of the in-addr.arpa zone, and the specific PTR > record you will require. > > > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email > > from/to name@mynewdomain.com? > > This you'll be able to do. You need to add an MX record to your zone > file at the dynamic DNS provider. You would want mail sent to the > host named in the A record. > > > I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com has a pay service > > called mail reflector that can get around this. Is this necessary? > > If _your_ ISP blocks port 25, then you'll have to do _something_ to > get around that, but I don't know if that particular service is the > right solution. > > > Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port other than 25 like > > 8080? > > There's certainly nothing _intrinsically_ special about port 25. > However, it's the port that everyone's agreed to send mail to. If > your sendmail was listening on port 8080, how would my sendmail know? > > -- > Paul. > > w http://logicsquad.net/ > h http://paul.hoadley.name/ > > > Yeah and crappy Adelphia doesn't offer static IPs without charging way way too much. At least I should be able to set up my own mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:21:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161D916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53903.mail.yahoo.com (web53903.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FB8A43D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53925 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 03:21:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lfvvq+BKI+bC4U+2qyu0Qvc1O2hrAmPKZO4es2m/EPOzTzAvcAbMsGIJWroXDWADQNvAmsdjf6PgUtv16cxV+vV4kUUjebb/bjPqacfXSzILTOrOH0EzbcczH9O2iVsB6lAckkU8n0rtWfqmfbnhRFC6rry7JMvwP26iqyC9tO4= ; Message-ID: <20050213032125.53923.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.10.58] by web53903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:21:24 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:21:24 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: rlurman@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:21:26 -0000 it was said: >1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or >no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. Having such accounts doesn't give you a static IP. A static IP is one that never changes. Only your ISP (Adelphia, in your case) can supply that. >Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn >more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on >godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A >records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? No. You don't have a static IP, so this won't work. That's what companies like dyndns and no-ip.com are for. Read how their services work for an more detailed explanation. >2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? No. The only way to do reverse DNS is to have the IP(s) delegated to you by your ISP. Unless you get a large block of IP addresses assigned to you, this is unlikely to happen. (I have 16 addresses and my ISP said, "No!" when I asked. I knew they would, but one hopes....) >3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again >to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to >name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com >has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is >this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port >other than 25 like 8080? No. You'll have to use the reflector service. Mailservers try to connect to port 25 because that's the port the RFC says to use. Setting your server to 8080 will make it useless. >Thanks. Again, this stuff just confuses the heck out of me. You're wlecome. I suggest you read the book _DNS and BIND_ by Albitz and Liu, published by O'Reilly. It's generally considered the definitive work on this topic and will save you many hours of frustration. After reading it you'll know why you can run web and mail servers from a dynamic IP but not a name server. One thing to consider, clearly you don't have a commercial account. If I were you, I would check what Adelphia can do if they catch you running servers from a residental account. I know somebody that got caught by rr.com. They back billed him for a commercial account. It totaled more than US$6000.00. Of course, that's not as bad as what Buckeye Cable did to the users that uncapped their modems a couple years ago. http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Nov/gee20021122017460.htm Regards, stheg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:53:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE3716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545AE43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1D3rbJG031091; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:53:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:53:36 -0500 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:53:39 -0000 At 2:06 AM -0800 2/12/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >For the last time, it is not the contest that I and others are >objecting to. I am glad to hear that this message was the last time you mention it. Thanks. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:54:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A988716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5126643D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D3seGf000879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:41 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D3sdoY000877; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:54:39 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Ramiro Aceves Message-ID: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:54:43 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:15:16PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > Hello Anthony > > Thanks for your reply. > > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > > > > I use my computer for my engineering calculations, surfing the net and > e-mailing, and for fun and hobbies such as astronomy and amateur radio. > Both FreeBSD and Debian GNU/Linux seem to satisfy my requirements. > Indeed they share most of what FreeBSD call "third party apps". What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio stuff like AX.25 > > If an OS does not have the "third party apps", it is not useful for most > of us. > > > Ramiro. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:58:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36A616A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ED943D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D3wpGf000946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:52 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D3wplO000944 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:58:51 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:58:53 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:00:46PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional > BSODs long ago when there were driver problems or hardware problems on > servers, but I haven't seen a blue screen in years now. That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems. Most of the time though the 2K machine just reboots without warning. Also, my brother is constantly telling my how he fixed his WinXP machine by rebooting it. That may not be a blue screen, but it's still not good. -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 03:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580FF16A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gw.dantimax.dk (gw.dantimax.dk [62.242.11.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7923943D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcs@post5.tele.dk) Received: from post5.tele.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.dantimax.dk (Weasel v 1.20) for ; 13 Feb 2005 05:02:01 Message-ID: <420ED139.3080409@post5.tele.dk> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:02:01 +0100 From: "Mikkel C. Simonsen" Organization: Dantimax User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4; da-DK; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: da,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Power-down problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:59:26 -0000 I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function. If I run "shutdown -p now" the system reboots instead of shutting down. Before installing 5.3 I tested 4.11 (with ACPI enabled), and on 4.11 shutdown -p worked. Is there some setting I can change on 5.3 to make it work there also? Best regards, Mikkel C. Simonsen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:00:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D66F16A4DB for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C7243D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0Aw6-0006OH-2y; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:00:41 -0700 To: "Thomas Foster" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:00:49 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Foster wrote: > >> My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install >> the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. >> -- >> Anthony >> > > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it > comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that > all depends on the environment... > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X than from Windows. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:01:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7B416A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7CA43D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D41mGf000978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:49 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D41m1A000976 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:01:48 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:01:50 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 04:00:46PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > > Yes, but some OSes are famous for their "blue screens" > > None that I'm aware of. Blue screens are more of a popular myth > invented by people who hate Microsoft than a reality. I saw occasional > BSODs long ago when there were driver problems or hardware problems on > servers, but I haven't seen a blue screen in years now. > > > One day FreeBSD 5.3 completely crashed when doing something in X-window > > System on an old pentium 75MHz. > > I've had FreeBSD hang while trying to use X servers, but I never could > establish whether the OS itself had frozen or whether it was just the > interface. It happened often enough that it was one of the reasons why > I abandoned any attempt to use a GUI. Whenever this happens I can always ssh in and kill X from another machine if it's just X hanging and not the system. Now X can still kill the whole machine since it's directly accessing the hardware, but usually the system is still running fine. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D536016A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB02943D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0BGI-0007zd-AE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:33 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:21:37 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > >> I hate to burst your bubble, but neither is any other OS vendor >> ultimately accountable for its code. > > Actually it is. That's why companies tend to prefer support from > vendors; vendors have a vested interest in making good on support > requests, because they can lose a lot more than just a support contract > if they fail to do so. > >> By that, I mean you can file "problem reports" or "trouble tickets" or >> whatever the phrase du jour is, but the company is ultimately under no >> obligation to fix them. > > Vendors can fix problems; third-party support companies cannot. ????? Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the source and the license to use it Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:22:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6ED16A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53902.mail.yahoo.com (web53902.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 265D743D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87286 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 04:22:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4LWjpB0HHcKFqKv9NNzL6TwH7xF1/yelYSZ6zVrSyzXhtZBy8GaaUw/6jcXAO2R5MEjPqT1mQcY6wA1Sg0Rvo3a7oTHlDxsKBs7vHpEWOBcb5nwC3CLk9YAVPKPBq9MqRxkIm5mfpRYpz0wssp/9HAfyhO3CnodWx3X2xj4Paio= ; Message-ID: <20050213042211.87284.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.10.58] by web53902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:11 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: mcs@post5.tele.dk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Power-down problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:22:12 -0000 it was said: >I have just installed fbsd 5.3 release on a Medion P4 notebook. >Everything seems to work OK, except the power down function. > >If I run "shutdown -p now" the system reboots instead of shutting down. >Best regards, > >Mikkel C. Simonsen Hello, I just tested it on a 5.3_p5 box and it worked. Do you have ACPI enabled? Maybe a bug was fixed between _RELEASE and _p5? If you have ACPI enabled, try cvsupping. (Don't forget to read src/UPDATING if you do.) HTH, stheg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 04:27:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F99216A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221C643D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0BLi-00086a-Pe for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:27:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:27:09 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:27:11 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Bart Silverstrim writes: > >> Every $ spent on a product is another $ supporting it. > > Incidentally true, but not always the objective. > >> Rarely. > > Frequently. Many software choices and upgrade decisions today are > driven primarily or solely by a need to become or remain compatible > with > other business partners. > >> Business...some people find alternatives that can read more than one >> format. > > Sometimes there are no alternatives. Sometimes there is no advantage > in > looking for alternatives, since the usual choice is also the best > choice. I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably also to a BSD or Linux solution. The fact is you find it more convenient not too, even though you could, and would probably be happier without it. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E8716A4D3 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6125C43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from insanetoucan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so477891rnf for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LvpRZNu9gQrCnwCOmXuqHArSwVKA0PX+zvD5PzC8KsgvNrVXTCH4Bq/9k0QBJ3uP88OtbRRPQUV9HpSLIbPQBn+6fMc3wNt3xN030hWlu4cmJT9QketlNBQGgcb6jkao6JOU4VEUD7SJEcP/KbAZrWM62jzlLsEMACGkqtEIE3s= Received: by 10.39.2.55 with SMTP id e55mr92611rni; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.63 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1c9889d1050212211073dcf01c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:10:16 -0800 From: InsaneToucan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Belkin wireless card issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: InsaneToucan List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:10:17 -0000 Hey, I just installed FreeBSD and everything works great except for my networking. I have a computer with an integrated network card from Intel, which was picked up fine. However, my other card, a PCI Belkin Wireless F5D7000 is not being recognized. This is a problem because the integrated NIC has no connection, I'm on a wireless network. Any clue on how to make FreeBSD pickup this interface correctly? Right now it's showing it as "unknown network device" Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:21:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D41B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web14930.mail.yahoo.com (web14930.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F79D43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nirv199@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15732 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=teBMJ1uJRyF3vAEZNgBMchO2fhKUaQ+haMq0h3yrRN5pzNtedc7Js0t+eY5bfO+d11waR41iT7kp2j56LpiSZX00it4V1w5EIp96HCYKPELnLq+wXI87o7MJ3MSPOb2xsnjmgdxtLMOmfCOJoRhZZnzuy1VB+rQEvx+b/YoxwOg= ; Message-ID: <20050213052108.15730.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.88.219.149] by web14930.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:07 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:21:07 -0800 (PST) From: Paulo Roberto To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: usb webcam recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:21:08 -0000 Hello, Does anybody recommend any usb webcam that is freebsd supported, and still being sold? Googling (and reading the hardware notes for 5.3) I only found information regarding old (off the shelf) models. thanks, Paulo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23ED216A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE4943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.13.183] (port=4269 helo=[172.17.0.69]) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1D0Ch8-000CSl-00; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:22 +0300 Message-ID: <420EEB50.7010304@mail.ru> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:20 +0300 From: "Andrew P." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <420D7EE3.5000305@mail.ru> <20050212040327.GA49626@dan.emsphone.com> <420D8177.30600@mail.ru> <20050212074138.GD49626@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212074138.GD49626@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Concealing short disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@mail.ru List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:53:24 -0000 Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: > >>Dan Nelson wrote: >> >>>In the last episode (Feb 12), Andrew P. said: >>> >>>>I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects to >>>>ISP via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, but the >>>>ISP is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can reconnect in >>>>just a moment - so the diconnect is usually less than a second >>>>long, but many applications, like ICQ/MSN and games "feel" the >>>>disconnect. The matter is that these applications can handle fairly >>>>large packet loss (e.g. Counter-Strike can cope with at least >>>>15-second long 100% packet loss), but AFAIK it's in the nature of >>>>the TCP/UDP that a disconnect is a disconnect. >>>> >>>>As I know that FreeBSD is full of magic, is there any way to >>>>conceal these reconnects as short moments of 100% packet loss? I am >>>>ashamed to know very little about protocols' technicalities, but >>>>I'll look into any sources you advise. >>> >>>Check to see if your IP number changes when you reconnect. If it >>>does, there's nothing you really can do; the remote system you were >>>talking to knew you only by your old IP, and those packets coming to >>>them from this other IP are unrelated. >> >>It changes only once in about a week. Let's say it doesn't change >>at all. What then? > > > I'm still suspicious :) The two most common causes for connection > resets are IP address changes and NAT resets. /usr/sbin/ppp keeps its > NAT table across disconnects as long as the process itself stays > running, so I don't think that's the cause. If you have root access to > a remote system, try running tcpdump on it and your local machine while > running something like top over ssh, and watch what happens when your > connection drops and reconnects. > No, there's really nothing to be suspicious about :) The IP doesn't change (well, in the process of IPCP it virtually does, first to 10.0.0.1/0 and then back to the assigned one - but that doesn't count, does it), the ppp process stays, but TCP/UDP streams are somehow interrupted. Don't worry anyway. Disconnects happen in 5-6 in the morning, when all the users are sleeping and the only one sleepless surfer is unlucky me, trying to seamlessly upgrade self-made internet connection sharing box from 4.10 to 5.3. BTW, if only anyone happens to know: I asked list before, but got no reply. When ISP actually assigns new IP address, I occasionally get double IPs on the tun0 interface (the old one and the new one simultaneously). Everything's working fine, but the dyndns updater can't recognize the IP change. Is there a way to fix this glitch/ feature? I've really manned and googled for it - without succes. Best wishes, Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 06:24:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1BA16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dave.horsfall.org (mrdavi2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.75.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2188943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by dave.horsfall.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j1D6OWE17960 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:24:32 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:24:32 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> Message-ID: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:24:37 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote: > What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it > much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device > drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham > radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio > stuff like AX.25 Lots of stuff - satellite tracking, APRS, etc. There's a mailing list - BSD-Ham@mailman.qth.net - devoted to this. They're trying to get a separate ports area, instead of just "comms". -- Dave (vk2kfu) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 06:56:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950AE16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AB043D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D6uBGf002455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:11 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1D6uBOS002453; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:56:10 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: ann kok Message-ID: <20050213065610.GX8619@alzatex.com> References: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050212165032.1637.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ping question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:56:12 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann kok wrote: > Hi all > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd router > but I don't understand ttl (time to live) > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58 > Does it set by the router itself? > Can I change it in freebsd? FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's is probably 255. As long as the number of hops neccessary to get to a certain computer is never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with it. The highest I've seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to have to grow a bit, I think, before it's an issue. > > Thank you > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151 ttl=251 > time=100 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152 ttl=251 > time=103 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153 ttl=251 > time=104 ms > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154 ttl=251 > time=106 ms > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182 ttl=58 > time=105 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183 ttl=58 > time=105 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184 ttl=58 > time=104 ms > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185 ttl=58 > time=108 ms > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:45:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A1616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0F243D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 914831C0009A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 74B5B1C00090 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213074555478.74B5B1C00090@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:45:55 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <674011089.20050213084555@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:45:57 -0000 Thomas Foster writes: > Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it comes > to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. Mac used to have a very clear lead in this respect; today that lead has shrunk enormously. If that's all one does with the machine, the Mac is probably still a better choice; but if the machine must serve other purposes as well (accounting, and so on, as a small-business or home machine might), Windows again has the advantage. The Mac has a reputation as a computer for people who profess not to like computers, especially artists. Ever notice that just about everyone in the movies is using a Mac instead of a PC? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:48:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB3516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35E943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tindasz@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1671842wri for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hflMcN7L60x9q3gx++auJyhgrxpa5Mc7TfAcMx4KHVTXWznhet7v9rppTEGu5D3S9Bok63PP1ElQLXCfTrYY0n9lE5JN713ETI3S+E03J97/HWw6IqaYlZe3JacsC+F7culQJLQauG/TE6q8mZPI5pt76YpofZ/9stGBnabdDGQ= Received: by 10.54.46.64 with SMTP id t64mr163098wrt; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.27.56 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:48:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6b5da16e0502122348f05d4dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:48:32 +0700 From: jellf nainggolan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: about cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jellf nainggolan List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:48:33 -0000 anyone can help me how to using cvsup and please step by step From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:49:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FACC16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3249A43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5D97E1C00092 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3D23E1C00091 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:21 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213074921250.3D23E1C00091@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:20 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1925624178.20050213084920@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <420EBC2C.9020206@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... A request to the moderators... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:49:22 -0000 Chris writes: > I respectfully ask the moderator of the list to kill these threads. > People keep feeding this animal, and the animal remains. By the way, which thread are you replying to again? Threads live when people participate in them. It takes at least two people to maintain a thread. There are many people posting to this thread, so it must be fairly interesting to list participants, even if it is not interesting to you. Personally, I reply to threads, I don't start them. If nobody else posts on the topic, it dies. I don't resurrect threads because I assume that if nobody else replies to a thread, it must no longer be of interest. And as for threads that don't interest me, I simply ignore them; I don't expect the rest of the list to stop posting to them for my benefit. Complaining about their off-topic character just adds to their length, or creates additional off-topic threads filled with complaint. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DE516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E10443D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A4F861C0008B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 850341C00089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075323544.850341C00089@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <308024811.20050213085323@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:53:24 -0000 Loren M. Lang writes: > That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen > occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems. Then you have bad device drivers, or you are running software with OS privileges that contains bugs. > Most of the time though the 2K machine just reboots without warning. Look for common characteristics of the situations in which you observe a reboot (especially particular programs running, or particular hardware devices in use). > Also, my brother is constantly telling my how he fixed his WinXP > machine by rebooting it. That may not be a blue screen, but it's still > not good. It's a matter of user education; it has nothing to do with the OS. I haven't used systmatic rebooting to fix problems since the 16-bit Windows 3.x (the old Windows 9x family of operating systems could get stuck that way, but I went directly to NT myself and never bothered to waste my time with Windows 95). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:55:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E824E16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A180043D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8AE722400110 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 700082400102 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075459458.700082400102@mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:54:59 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:55:01 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do > all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X > than from Windows. Why? I use SecureCRT and SecureFX for FTP, and both work beautifully. I've never found a solution for running an X Server on Windows, but since I'm unwilling to run X on my production FreeBSD server, it hasn't been too much of an issue. It will be if I decide to set up another machine with X. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:56:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CEF16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E9343D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AD25F2001437 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9111E2001435 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:41 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075641594.9111E2001435@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:56:40 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <324321440.20050213085640@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <20050213040148.GW8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:56:42 -0000 Loren M. Lang writes: > Whenever this happens I can always ssh in and kill X from another > machine if it's just X hanging and not the system. Hmm ... I don't know if I ever tried that. > Now X can still kill the whole machine since it's directly > accessing the hardware, but usually the system is still > running fine. The words "directly accessing the hardware" send a chill down my spine. I already have to suffer with the instability and insecurity of Windows caused by precisely that in the GUI; I certainly don't want to make the same sacrifice on FreeBSD (or any other OS) just to see pretty pictures on the screen, when the machine is not a desktop. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 07:57:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC4016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE9143D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 341B71C00175 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1AB531C00174 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213075737109.1AB531C00174@mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:57:26 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:38 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software > can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that > support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the > source and the license to use it Unfortunately, their fix makes the software non-standard. You need to be able to roll fixes into the official release. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:00:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DA316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC2E43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AA84A200143C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8A9EF200143B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213080020567.8A9EF200143B@mwinf0901.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:20 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:00:21 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in perhaps > some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. Convenience is reason enough by itself to choose a particular OS. The only people who deliberately choose inconvenient operating systems are those with an ax to grind. > Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced > with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably > also to a BSD or Linux solution. Maybe ... but that won't allow me to read and write the native file formats of these applications. I'm trying to find a way to reduce my dependence on expensive and bloated applications (which includes most Microsoft applications, unfortunately), but there aren't too many options. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F36516A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F306D43D2D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA26589B; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68736-07; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C1405884; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213081005.3C1405884@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-23 - 2005-02-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 26-Jan : Setting up a printer Introducing the HP LaserJet 2550L Colour Laser Printer http://freebsddiary.org/hp-laserjet-2550l.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:10:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7500916A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bsdnerds.org (pcp0011384308pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net [69.248.83.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B7E43D1D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org) Received: by bsdnerds.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 772B56172; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [216.136.204.119]) by bsdnerds.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03DE615C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E46955986; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC5916A4CF; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F36516A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F306D43D2D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA26589B; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68736-07; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C1405884; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213081005.3C1405884@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on bsdnerds.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.5 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.64 Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-23 - 2005-02-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:10:36 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 26-Jan : Setting up a printer Introducing the HP LaserJet 2550L Colour Laser Printer http://freebsddiary.org/hp-laserjet-2550l.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:18:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732BA16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:18:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB1843D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:18:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0ExL-0001w7-Ub for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:18:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:18:15 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:18:25 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:54 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and >> do >> all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS >> X >> than from Windows. > > Why? I use SecureCRT and SecureFX for FTP, and both work beautifully. I have not used that, but I doubt it beats using a real openssh client inside a unix based terminal emulator in terms of terminal emulation and shell compatibility. As I said, I have not used this one, but all the other windows ones I have tried sucked royally. > > I've never found a solution for running an X Server on Windows, They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked reasonably well. > but > since I'm unwilling to run X on my production FreeBSD server, it hasn't > been too much of an issue. It will be if I decide to set up another > machine with X. I was not talking about an X11 server. I do have one on my Mac but I rarely run it. I occasionally have a need. I was talking about native Mac OS X capabilities and applications. The userland is based on the FreeBSD one, though the underlying kernel and plumbing are a custom Mach solution. Since OS X is a unix-life platform, and has the same toolchain and a very similar environment to FreeBSD and Linux, it meshes a lot easier. I have a Windows XP machine sitting here that dual boots with NT. I rarely boot it though. I do have one website that was developed in a Windows (-only) based program that needs to be updated occasionally (soon to be replaced by a WebObjects dynamic app)... And a few games that I have not bothered to play in months are on the machine. I do everything else on my Mac(s) including bookkeeping/accounting for a couple of businesses, credit card authorizations, software development, email, browsing, netnews, Terminal and ssh into my FreeBSD and lone Linux servers, database admin, word processing, presentations, graphics/photo and video editing (not a lot of the latter unfortunately), and many other things. And I am not a magnet for viruses, spyware, adware, I do not pay a MS tax anymore (I don't plan on updating my Windows machine) and I am much more productive than I was when the Windows 2000 machine was my main workstation. They just work. Something that Windows cannot always say (driver, dll, etc conflicts, screwed up registry [my W2000 machine is dying a slow death of rot and decay -- I have not a clue on what is wrong but it seems to decay over time as the registry corrupts and rots], etc). I don't see lots of freeze ups and BSOD anymore on Windows -- that has gotten better -- but the inconsistencies and the rot and decay that gradually make the machines less stable (without the spyware/adware/malware too) is enough for me. (And yes, Windows rots and decays, most likely from registry corruptions -- the registry is the dumbest thing they could do -- a single massive point of failure). And I am a techno-geek -- not some average joe user who wouldn't have a clue. Chad > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:22:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF39716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:22:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F6B43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:22:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0F1W-0002gu-CU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:22:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <69120B54-7D98-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:22:33 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:22:35 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> Maybe companies who support MS or other proprietary software >> can't as they don't have the source. But support companies that >> support open source can very easily fix problems -- they have the >> source and the license to use it > > Unfortunately, their fix makes the software non-standard. You need to > be able to roll fixes into the official release. ????? What the heck does this mean? I would bet that most larger installations of Linux or FreeBSD or any other open source OS would be considered non-standard. Heck, I bet YOUR installation of FreeBSD could be considered non-standard. Your statement make absolutely no sense. If the fix that you decry is a reasonable fix, who says it can't be rolled back into an "official" release. This is open source after all. Chad > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:26:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9929416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E4F43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0F5k-0002lR-06 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:26:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <05205CAA-7D99-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:26:55 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:56 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> I can't think of any time that MS is the best choice, except in >> perhaps >> some vertical market cases. It is often the most convenient choice. > > Convenience is reason enough by itself to choose a particular OS. The > only people who deliberately choose inconvenient operating systems are > those with an ax to grind. In that case, Windows is the least desirable, as it is not convenient. The amount of crap you have to put up with (viruses, malware, etc) makes them totally inconvenient. > >> Like the list of software you listed. Most of that can be replaced >> with other SW -- especially if you switch to Mac OS X, though probably >> also to a BSD or Linux solution. > > Maybe ... but that won't allow me to read and write the native file > formats of these applications. Sure it does. Apples new Pages.app "word processor" reads and writes Word .DOC files. OpenOffice can too. Maybe not 100%, but very close, and Microsoft does not guarantee 100% either from version to version. In most cases, except for customized vertical market solutions, Mac OS X and probably in many cases also FreeBSD offers solutions that work with native files. On OS X, you often HAVE the native program, like Photoshop, for example. > > I'm trying to find a way to reduce my dependence on expensive and > bloated applications (which includes most Microsoft applications, > unfortunately), but there aren't too many options. There are lots of options for people whose eyes are not closed. The link published in one of these threads about the Ernie Ball guitar string company was interesting. Where there is a will there is a way. Where there is no will, you get stuck with M$ OK, I am done replying to these threads. Chad > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:30:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798CB16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:30:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE2C43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:30:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 214C91C0008A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:30:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E619B1C00086 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:30:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213083053942.E619B1C00086@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:30:53 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:30:55 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > I have not used that, but I doubt it beats using a real openssh client > inside a unix based terminal emulator in terms of terminal emulation > and shell compatibility. SecureCRT emulates a terminal, and does so in a way that is particularly compatible with UNIX systems (with which it is very heavily used--the vendor caters to UNIX users). It emulates eleven different types of terminal, including VTxxx, Xterm, Vshell (proprietary, I think), WYSE, SCO ANSI, and so on. You can set the desired base emulation and then modify the details to get a terminal emulation that exactly suits you. > As I said, I have not used this one, but all the other windows ones I > have tried sucked royally. This one was recommended by an ISP to me years ago, and it was so good that I've never tried anything else. See http://www.vandyke.com. > They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years > ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked > reasonably well. How much did he pay for it? Many of the ones I saw cost hundreds or thousands of dollars, and there was still no guarantee that they'd work well. The few free ones I tried did not work well at all. I'm still interested in learning more, though. However, I won't run x-anything on my FreeBSD system unless it will run without destabilizing changes to the OS (no change in securelevel, no kernel reconfiguration, no special system software modules or daemons). > I do everything else on my Mac(s) including bookkeeping/accounting for > a couple of businesses, credit card authorizations, software > development, email, browsing, netnews, Terminal and ssh into my FreeBSD > and lone Linux servers, database admin, word processing, presentations, > graphics/photo and video editing (not a lot of the latter > unfortunately), and many other things. Having UNIX underneath surely helps, although it has broken some classic Mac applications. > And I am not a magnet for viruses, spyware, adware ... The target is too small, few kiddies are interested in attacking it. > ... I do not pay a MS tax anymore ... You pay a double tax to Apple instead, for both software and hardware. > And yes, Windows rots and decays, most likely from > registry corruptions -- the registry is the dumbest thing they could do > -- a single massive point of failure ... No, they've done even worse: Active Directory. I don't like those single points of failure, either. And even though the advantage of a registry is supposed to be that it provides "one-stop shopping" for configuration data, it turns out that the same data is often stored in a dozen different places in the registry ... sometimes by different releases of the same software (and some of that software is from Microsoft, so they're just as guilty of it as anyone else). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:38:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067F316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B2A43D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0FH9-0003Sa-GA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:38:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:38:42 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:44 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> They exist. A friend of mine had one running on w2000 several years >> ago logging into hi BSD and Linux boxes using xterm. It worked >> reasonably well. > > How much did he pay for it? I don't know which one he used. Sorry. > Many of the ones I saw cost hundreds or > thousands of dollars, and there was still no guarantee that they'd work > well. The few free ones I tried did not work well at all. I'm still > interested in learning more, though. However, I won't run x-anything > on > my FreeBSD system unless it will run without destabilizing changes to > the OS (no change in securelevel, no kernel reconfiguration, no special > system software modules or daemons). You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is then link software against the X libraries and then redirect the display to your workstations X server. This meets your criteria and can be handy for certain things. Your apps still run in userland only and there is no HW touching stuff. You are not running the X Server on your FBSD Server machine. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:40:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5B016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:40:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F27C43D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:40:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 881CD1C0009C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5CFDD1C00089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:49 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213084049381.5CFDD1C00089@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:49 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1153299714.20050213094049@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <69120B54-7D98-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <20050212203851.D694116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> <1108249638.32574.49.camel@zappa.Chelsea-Ct.Org> <863830644.20050213025358@wanadoo.fr> <1095160797.20050213085726@wanadoo.fr> <69120B54-7D98-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:40:50 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > ????? What the heck does this mean? It means that large organizations want to have a single official release of the OS running on all servers, and they expect that release to come formally from a specific official source. Hacking changes into the code and then installing that in production is not acceptable. Often every change to the OS must go through a test and rollout process that can take months at some companies. Emergency patches must be tested in advance by the vendor, and the vendor must stand behind them. > I would bet that most larger installations of Linux or FreeBSD or any > other open source OS would be considered non-standard. Yes. That's why so many companies run Solaris instead. > Heck, I bet YOUR installation of FreeBSD could be considered > non-standard. As the owner of the system, I define what is standard on my site, and I consider FreeBSD 5.3 to be standard. I don't make any modifications of my own to the code, though. > Your statement make absolutely no sense. It does to someone who has worked in this kind of environment for several decades. There are still companies running Windows 3.x because it is so long and difficult to roll out anything new. > If the fix that you decry is a reasonable fix, who says it can't be > rolled back into an "official" release. It can be, but until that is done, many organizations won't touch it. There's another separate issue with source fixes. It's a common misconception that anyone with access to source can just dive into it and fix any problem. In practice, that is never the case. Nobody has all of any OS memorized, and no one person can dive into the code of any OS and come up with fixes to every problem. Even among official developers, typically each developer knows only his own code extremely well, and has only a vague idea of how the rest of the code works. While it is true that you could theoretically fix anything in time with access to source, in practice the time required is so long that it is effectively impossible in many situations ... you _must_ enlist the help of one or more developers familiar with the code segments that have to be fixed. And that in turn means that, in order to provide full support, you must be able to compel the cooperation of developers. Proprietary vendors can do this; open-source organizations cannot. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:49:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F4516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FB143D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 511031C00090 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:49:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1DF061C00083 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:49:27 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213084927122.1DF061C00083@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:49:26 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <342335131.20050213094926@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <05205CAA-7D99-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <3689589ceb0c4136e92d14c65c5df940@chrononomicon.com> <546604224.20050212220510@wanadoo.fr> <5df61a9fd90e3f232682f5bf3251b9ae@chrononomicon.com> <1309842218.20050212222019@wanadoo.fr> <7044a5988c64b9ed12925e7de3bae075@chrononomicon.com> <999277958.20050213025654@wanadoo.fr> <869B90CC-7D77-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <1713463252.20050213090020@wanadoo.fr> <05205CAA-7D99-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:49:29 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > In that case, Windows is the least desirable, as it is not convenient. There are a hundred million users out there who disagree. > The amount of crap you have to put up with (viruses, malware, etc) > makes them totally inconvenient. See above. > Sure it does. Apples new Pages.app "word processor" reads and writes > Word .DOC files. OpenOffice can too. Maybe not 100%, but very close, > and Microsoft does not guarantee 100% either from version to version. Sometimes 99% isn't good enough. And there are hundreds of formats to be accommodated. > In most cases, except for customized vertical market solutions, Mac OS > X and probably in many cases also FreeBSD offers solutions that work > with native files. On OS X, you often HAVE the native program, like > Photoshop, for example. Like Photoshop, but not like many others. > There are lots of options for people whose eyes are not closed. There are few options for people who use computers for work, and not for play. Using computers is not a game for most of the population; it's not a hobby or even a pleasant way to spend time. They just need computers to do their work. The fastest way to do that work is to install what everyone else is using, do the work, and be done with it. They don't care what the geeks think. They don't even care about viruses, spyware, adware, or anything like that, as long as they can finish their reports by the end of the day. But if anything gets in the way of them finishing their work, they get very, very upset. Any deviation from the mainstream is likely to do that, and so the safest route for them is Windows. > The link published in one of these threads about the Ernie Ball guitar > string company was interesting. Where there is a will there is a way. > Where there is no will, you get stuck with M$ You don't understand. Most people have no bone to pick with Microsoft. They don't hate Microsoft. In fact, they couldn't care less about Microsoft. To them, insisting on a non-Microsoft solution is about as relevant and important as insisting on an Airbus aircraft for their flights home on Thanksgiving. They just do not care, nor should they have to care. The best solution for them is Windows. It's simple, fast, used by everyone, and allows them to return to important things in their lives as quickly and easily as possible after using the PC. The attitudes of IT departments that run servers are different, but the effects are often the same. In small IT departments with a shortage of qualified personnel, Windows is often the easiest server solution. In larger departments with UNIX expertise, Solaris is very attractive (for reasons I've previously explained). After that comes Linux, because of all the hype around the OS. Only IT staffs that look very carefully at their OS choices will be likely to install FreeBSD; it's a great OS, but it has no name recognition, and it has no formal support or vendor structure ... it just comes from "somewhere," and there's nobody to turn to if it crashes. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 08:53:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1837B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C228843D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 073891C0008F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D9A111C00089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:12 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213085312891.D9A111C00089@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:12 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1453180591.20050213095312@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> <909006882.20050213085459@wanadoo.fr> <1466272619.20050213093053@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:14 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this > works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations > changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is > then link software against the X libraries and then redirect the > display to your workstations X server. This meets your criteria and > can be handy for certain things. Your apps still run in userland only > and there is no HW touching stuff. You are not running the X Server on > your FBSD Server machine. I'll consider it, although it still sounds complicated. What do I gain from X that I don't already have with remote terminal sessions like those created with SecureCRT? I know it looks pretty, but what server-related things can I do with X that I cannot do with ordinary terminals? I'm not aware of anything right now; it seems that everything can be done from a command line (thank goodness--working with Windows is a nightmare precisely _because_ so many things cannot be done from a command line). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:09:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491D616A4E4 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:09:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zephon.secspace.de (zephon.secspace.de [62.75.136.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB26943D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:09:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml@ps102.de) Received: from [192.168.17.11] (pD95F2B4C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.95.43.76]) by zephon.secspace.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B4E6EB29; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:09:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F1963.3060609@ps102.de> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:09:55 +0100 From: Volker Kindermann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RL References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:09:36 -0000 > This has to be the most compilcated subject to me. I just purchased a > new domain from godaddy. I have a few questions I am not totally > clear about yet. > > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A > records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? > > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? > > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to > name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com > has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is > this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port > other than 25 like 8080? I don't know the situation in your country. But here in germany you can rent a lowend dedicated server for about 40 $/month. With static IP and mostly with one or more domain-names. With such a server you can do all what you want without the problems coming from the dynamic IP. Perhaps that'll be an alternative for you. -volker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:37:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B522C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAC943D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GBc-0000pU-0k; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:06 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GBa-0003kB-8h; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:02 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: Daniela In-Reply-To: <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> Message-ID: References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Jan Grant X-Spam-Score: -2.8 X-Spam-Level: -- cc: Alin-Adrian Anton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:37:07 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Daniela wrote: > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router > with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another > LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another point in the > intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not 10.0.0.1, which > is the intranet IP of the router. > In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every outgoing > connection where the destination is inside my intranet. Assuming you haven't munged the internal IP address to hide it, and with all due deference to the FreeBSD "mechanism, not policy" mantra: no, you don't want to do this. The 10.0.0.0/8 block of addresses is explicitly for private use and is not routable on the internet. If your firewall is causing problems with this setup, you might need to re-examine your firewall settings. Having said that: technically, you specify source addresses for connections by calling bind(2) prior to calling connect(2). If you fail to do this, the operating system will select a source IP address for you. This'll often be the IP of the outgoing interface. Unless your particular application explicitly supports the selection of source addresses, you're mostly out of luck. For instance, ping(8) supports this (see the -S option). Cheers, jan -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287864 or +44 (0)117 9287088 http://ioctl.org/jan/ Bolstered by my success with vi, I proceeded to learn C with 'learn c'. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 09:38:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064F416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A7143D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GD1-0000vZ-MU; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:32 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0GD1-0003pm-Ai; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: Daniela In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Jan Grant X-Spam-Score: -2.8 X-Spam-Level: -- cc: Alin-Adrian Anton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:38:34 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Jan Grant wrote: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Daniela wrote: > > > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a router > > with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to another > > LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another point in the > > intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not 10.0.0.1, which > > is the intranet IP of the router. > > In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every outgoing > > connection where the destination is inside my intranet. > > Assuming you haven't munged the internal IP address to hide it, and with > all due deference to the FreeBSD "mechanism, not policy" mantra: no, you > don't want to do this. Excuse my misinformation. Misread "inside" for "outside". -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287864 or +44 (0)117 9287088 http://ioctl.org/jan/ Solution: (n) a watered-down version of something neat. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:06:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6F816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout17.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D2943D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamanism@ntlworld.com) Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050213100627.PNWM29900.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [81.105.118.160]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP <20050213100627.NYXZ15415.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:27 +0000 From: kamanism@ntlworld.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:15 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131006.15834.kamanism@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:06:30 -0000 ***you are a man of high ideas Ted, but you are overlooking a fundamental aspect, that ALL LIFE IS TEMPORAL - AND MOVES ON WITH CONTINUAL CHANGE AND IMPROVEMENT which means to say : DONT CLING TO THE PAST WHEN OPPORTUNITIES TO PROGRESS OCCUR ***for example almost every week i sort thru the computer room - updating files and hardware, and most importantly CHUCKING OUT old stuff that is obsolete or doesnt work. if i didnt do that the room would be jammed solid. Just the same with your MIND. clear out the junk and move on. PEOPLE DIE. LOVED ONES DIE. we will meet them again ONE DAY, but in the mean-time MOVE ON. more people to meet. more things to do. MORE OVERSTANDING OF THE TOTAL PATTERN OF LIFE TO OBTAIN. you dont have to be religious to believe in the AFTERLIFE and PURPOSE. CHOP THE BEASTIE if you feel like it ! if "god" starts annoying you, then tell it (that Kamanistic Temporal Image) to fuck off. put a FRESH new label on, and start a fresh NEW DAY :) does not mean you forget the past and origins, just means you dont get DRAGGED BACK by them. ***wow, thats a load off my chest ! now something technical Ted can you tell me please how to change the Screen resolution ? [exact command line please - im an fbsd rookie]. many thanks :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Saturday 12 February 2005 09:49, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > You and I both understand the ideals at stake with Beastie. But an even > more > important ideal is that a civilized person fights against something > he sees that is wrong, he does not remain silent. Remaining > silent when an injustice is being done makes you no better than > the criminal doing the injustice. Even if we lose this and are > pushed over, it doesen't matter, because when we chose to > fight, even though we lose, that means we have won when it comes to > the higher ideal of fighting against injustice. > > I feel sorry for people like Garance, really. Here's a person > who is tired of explaining Beastie, in short, he is tired of > explaining the ideals of why FreeBSD is important. To him, FreeBSD > is just another operating system - it's a better tool than the > others, yes, but to him that is all there is to it. He doesen't > really care about the ideals behind Open Source, not emotionally > that is. To him it is all intellectual. He has no passion anymore > for it, if he ever did. His goal is to see FreeBSD expanded > simply because it's better than all the other operating systems, > and he is willing even to sacrifice things that are integral > to it - such as Beastie - in his quest to expand it. > What he sadly doesen't understand is that going down this > road means that at every turn you compromise something else, and > that by the time you get to the end of the road, what you have > been carrying is so twisted and changed that you hate it and > hate yourself for allowing it to be ruined. > > You and I we know that there is more to the FreeBSD operating > system movement than mere software. And a lot of the userbase > understands this at a gut level too. We may not be > able to immediately frame in words what that indefinable > thing is - but we know it's there. Unless you want to switch > that part of yourself off, your not going to be able to help > seeing that what is happening is wrong. And when you know > that something is wrong, you also know that you have a duty > to speak out about it. > > Also, don't forget that there are many people that who are > just beginning to understand what FreeBSD is all about. Even > though they don't fully understand what makes FreeBSD so > special and unique yet, this issue still matters to them, and > they are depending on folks like us who do fully understand > it. We also have a duty to them to speak out. > > > Ted > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:38:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B6D16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:38:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from enterprise.thenetnow.com (enterprise.thenetnow.com [65.39.193.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC10843D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:38:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from GRANT (hpeel.ody.ca [216.240.12.2])j1DAcdt80217 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:38:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Message-ID: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> From: "Grant Peel" To: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:38:36 -0500 Organization: The Net Now MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Grant Peel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:38:42 -0000 Hi all, I have been lambasted a number of times here and there for installing software from source as oppoesed to from ports. My question of the day is, if I need some special ./configure or make arguments added to the build command, how can I install a port with those extra args. exapmple, if I am putting together a new server, and need some x-tra args added to the mysql, php and apache sequence (i.e. addming the frontpage patch to the apache build) .. how would one do this in the port(s)? -Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:46:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7D316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B498643D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com) Received: (qmail 22232 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 10:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warren.shinji.nq.nu) (203.206.228.43) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 10:46:38 -0000 From: Warren To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:47:08 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502132047.08553.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Subject: routing help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:46:40 -0000 I need a way of routing all udp & http traffic on ports 6881-6999 that hit machine A to be passed through to machine B on the same ports .. how do i go about doing this with as much simplicity as possible. -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 10:51:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742C816A4FD for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAB943D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.hauber@mchsi.com) Received: from wizard.valleygate.net (12-219-204-24.client.mchsi.com[12.219.204.24]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20050213105144m9200bfevke>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:44 +0000 From: Mike Hauber To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:54:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <6b5da16e0502122348f05d4dc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6b5da16e0502122348f05d4dc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502130554.22264.m.hauber@mchsi.com> cc: jellf nainggolan Subject: Re: about cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: m.hauber@mchsi.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:51:50 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 02:48 am, jellf nainggolan wrote: > anyone can help me how to using cvsup > and please step by step The handbook not only gives you step-by-step directions for using cvsup, but it also tells you what you're doing while you're at it. The specific link you're looking for is as follows (may have wrapped): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html The Handbook is the FreeBSD Bible, and everytime you read it, you'll pick up something new. Also, the 'man' command helps quite a bit, too. :) HTH, Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 11:04:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A53A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:04:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vsmtp14.tin.it (vsmtp14.tin.it [212.216.176.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA4A43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:04:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.demartino2@virgilio.it) Received: from wireless (80.117.237.225) by vsmtp14.tin.it (7.0.027) id 420DF9560004E6D7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:04:53 +0100 From: Vittorio To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:04:23 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131204.23741.v.demartino2@virgilio.it> Subject: Resuming compilation sesssion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:04:55 -0000 With a FBSD 5.3 box I use to compile my favourite programs from scratch with: cd /usr/ports/prog_I_want make make install clean But sometimes I have to interrupt the compilation because the PC is shared with other people. How can I resume the compilation session from where I stopped it? Ciao Vittorio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 11:07:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC4816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:07:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68ABB43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:07:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AC2FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:07:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:07:18 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grant Peel References: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> In-Reply-To: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:07:23 -0000 Grant Peel wrote: > if I am putting together a new server, and need some x-tra args added to > the mysql, php and apache sequence (i.e. addming the frontpage patch to > the apache build) .. how would one do this in the port(s)? The options are unfortunately not always too well documented. Some ports open a menu on your first install and lets you choose the options you want. Your options are stored in a configure file for next time you upgrade. This is the new way and should be expected in the future. Till then, you'll have to look in the Makefile, there are typically a lot of WITH_ or WITHOUT_ options. When posible, I recommend installing with default options and configure those options manually, otherwise, remember to save your custom options somewhere. It makes upgrade easier. Compiling apache with frontpage, you install your favorite flavour of apache, then mod_frontpage. AFAIK, all the www/mod_ ports are modules for apache. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 11:12:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FA616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:12:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50D443D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:12:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99CFFD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:12:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F360C.506@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:12:12 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vittorio References: <200502131204.23741.v.demartino2@virgilio.it> In-Reply-To: <200502131204.23741.v.demartino2@virgilio.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resuming compilation sesssion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:12:15 -0000 Vittorio wrote: > With a FBSD 5.3 box I use to compile my favourite programs from scratch with: > cd /usr/ports/prog_I_want > make > make install clean > > But sometimes I have to interrupt the compilation because the PC is shared > with other people. > > How can I resume the compilation session from where I stopped it? If you -c, then compilation breaks. As long as the 'make clean' has not been done, next time you 'make' it will continue where it stopped. If it is only a short period, you can -z (suspend), then you can see the job with 'jobs', make it nice 'renice -20 %', start it again in background with 'bg %1' or in foreground with 'fg %1'. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:15:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A307416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:15:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40BB43D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:15:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de running Exim 4.34 using asmtp helo=hexren.steenbuck.net) id 1D0Iep-0001EB-0A; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:15:23 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:15:21 +0100 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1944167642.20050213131521@hexren.net> To: Warren In-Reply-To: <200502132047.08553.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> References: <200502132047.08553.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:15:25 -0000 W> I need a way of routing all udp & http traffic on ports 6881-6999 that hit W> machine A to be passed through to machine B on the same ports .. how do i go W> about doing this with as much simplicity as possible. --------------------------------------------- Install pf,ipfw or ipf (I prefer pf but thats opionion) and use the port forwarding features built into the firewall. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html Hexren From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:29:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4358916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB80543D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon.burke@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1683226wri for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KS4kNgrjFiAhqyz/xBMcwijfGi6itQark3ShSwazOdlbOHh21MIAzvsGt1H7J8LoUgxlnfjrlnO/NxKExswLCmLP4KfOE+0pD3TSIsrHdwGfGwsq52uBxk1iUfKYZCBXx1uVVeSqppD6zOV5DsJr8a0pgbVefm4NpwROU/aRGVM= Received: by 10.54.56.55 with SMTP id e55mr102427wra; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.11.63 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2d7d2dd205021304292830a223@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:52 +0000 From: Simon Burke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr In-Reply-To: <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Simon Burke List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:29:53 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:30:45 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Michael C. Shultz writes: > > > I Agree! My FreeBSD desktop is very stable and user friendly. What > > ever time I spend fixing/managing desktops is on my friends windows > > machines, never my own because it always just works. > > Maybe you can explain to me how to get the following applications to run > on a FreeBSD desktop: > > Adobe Photoshop Use on my SGI workstaion (IRIX), GIMP > Adobe Illustrator Use on IRIX, also plenty of gpl etc vector drawing tools are available, > Quark XPress Scribus > The Sims 2 Works via cedega > Flight Simulator Flight gear > UltraEdit VI, emacs > Visual InterDev Dreamweaver via wine, vi, emacs > Microsoft Word > Microsoft Excel > Microsoft PowerPoint All of MS office can be run via wine, (im using office 2000), or openoffice, koffice, gnome office > Microsoft Money Gnucash > The Bat! evolution, thunderbird, sylpheed even > Opera Available for freeBSD > Firefox In ports > Microsoft Internet Explorer Firefox, or can use via wine > Corel KnockOut Quite probably plugins for GIMP to do that, infact if u know how to use photoshop correctly then why would you need it? > Flight Check That looks like soft thats only needed by bad designers, I work with/for design companies on a daily basis and they dont use it > Bar Code Pro BARZ_OUT pro > MathType Openoffice Math > SecureFX gftp does this > SecureCRT ssh, kssh > SFS If this means smart filesystem, then whats wronf with UFS2, ResierFS, XFS, > Rebel GIMP, or stop being so fsckin lazy > Fritz 6.0 knights > POV-Ray how about erm.. POV-ray? > Adobe PageMaker Openoffice,scribus > Adobe Streamline Autotrace > Adobe Acrobat (full version) openoffice, scribus, > Paint Shop Pro GIMP > Palm Desktop there is tronnes of pim softwar about and palm, otheriwse i wont be able to use my palm. > SimCity simcity 3000 should work through linux compat > GeoClock time-zones > Ear Test loads of midi apps, and this could be easily witten,its a very simple ms app anyway > BlitzIn knights > Audio MP3 Editor take a look at http://linux-sound.org/ > Forte Agent pan > Movie Maker kino, drupal > Nikon Scan gimp > Rainbow gimp > Wacom Intuos >its pretty much pnp > However, I should point out that I also have applications that will not > run on Windows: > > BIND > sendmail > syslog > sshd > ProFTP > SFTP Every heard of cygwin? > The list is not long for FreeBSD, but every one of these applications is > a critical application, and most must run without fail 24 hours a day, > seven days a week. Any one of them is enough to justify running a > dedicated FreeBSD server. There are alsways alternaitves that can do the exact same job, so i dont see the problem, Oh by the way I am a linux system developer, so i do know what im on about unlike Mr i cant be bothered to update my workstations. > For this reason, I have several machines: a FreeBSD server, a Windows XP > desktop, and a Windows NT server used as a desktop (to support some > legacy applications). I have several machines too, running IRIX, BSD and Linux, I havnt had to for ages as everything i need to do i can do on a *nix box. -- Theres no place like ::1 Thanks, SimonB http://simon.geek-web.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:39:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D6C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:39:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D316D43D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:39:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.59] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2a-0002jl-IT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:56 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2Y-0008F3-37 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:55 +0100 Message-ID: <420F3BAE.40900@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:36:14 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:39:58 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > >>There are not a myth, they are a fact. I have seen bluescreens >>frecuently in win95 and winMillenium. > > > Neither of these is based on NT, and both are dead products. How can I trust on a company that creates such a bad OSes? My girlfriend has got WinXP professional (is it sopoessed to be NT base, is not it?) and from time to time she calls to me horrified to say that she has a new problem with her machine: viruses, spyware, malware, things that suddenly stop working, etc. I start trembling each time it happens. :-/ > > >>Now I am out of the winbugs world since 2 years and I am very happy. > > > Perhaps longer than that, if you think Windows 95 is still current. I started playing with Linux on 1998, but I switched 2 years ago. > > >>Sure X is the culprit. > > > I agree. FreeBSD is stable without the GUI. If the GUI were purely a > userland program, there'd be no problem--but GUIs are never pure > userland programs. We have to live with that. > > >>I need the GUIs for my daily work. Electronic circuit design software >>requires GUI, imaging editing requieres GUI, and because of that many >>people needs a GUI, but that is not a reason to use Winbugs. > > > You have to use whatever platform supports your chosen application. Linux and FreeBSD do it perfectly, as it have the same software collection. > > >>I have seen also winXP computers here at University that do very weird >>things everyday. > > > Users at universities do very weird things to their computers. In > particular, university computers tend to be cesspools of viruses and > worms. It's a wonder they run at all. If the Winbugs were well designed that should not happen. > > >>Why not choosing Linux or FreeBSD for the desktop? > > > Because the leading desktop is Windows, with a quarter-million or so > applications written for it. Why do things the hard way when one can do > them the easy way? For me Linux/FreeBSD works, why should I use Windows?. I would be a nonsense at all. I know windows well and I whould never go back. > > >>I can choose a windowmanager among decens, I have many apps that >>perform the same or better than the winbugs counterparts, and the best >>of all, they are *free* and do not depend on any comercial enterprise. > > > Quite a few applications for Windows are free or very inexpensive as > well. Windows is not free, I have to pay money and I do not have the source code. Why should I pay for software that it is a like a "black box", when I can use great free OSes? I can not afford paying a license for every piece of software I use. > > >>I do not need too much bells and whistles to fell confortable at the >>desktop. A fluxbox window manager is perfect for me. The important >>thing are the apps, not the desktop. > > > Then why use a GUI at all? GUIs are nothing more than bells and > whistles. > How can I use the GIMP, xcircuit, pcb without a GUI ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B6B16A4D1 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C92643D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.60] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2c-0002kd-Vx; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:58 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2b-0006bB-RY; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:58 +0100 Message-ID: <420F3E69.7040303@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:47:53 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:01 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:15:16PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: > >>Hello Anthony >> >>Thanks for your reply. >> >>Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> >>>Ramiro Aceves writes: >>> >>> > > > >>I use my computer for my engineering calculations, surfing the net and >>e-mailing, and for fun and hobbies such as astronomy and amateur radio. >>Both FreeBSD and Debian GNU/Linux seem to satisfy my requirements. >>Indeed they share most of what FreeBSD call "third party apps". > > > What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it > much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device > drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham yeah, debian is great for hamradio, that the reason why I use it! ;-) > radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio > stuff like AX.25 > Yes, the most disapointing thing is that there is not AX.25 stuff. For me there is no problem as I do not use packet radio now. I have found some useful satellite programs, logging programs, circuit analisis programs, circuit design, board design, etc.. The most important problem that prevents me to switch to FreeBSD is that SVGALIB do not work on my nvidia TNT 2 video card. It segfaults, I have submitted a bug report but no response at the moment. I need it for Linrad to work, Linrad is an audio processing software very useful for amateur moonbounce communication. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F5616A50C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp01.eresmas.com (asmtp05.eresmas.com [62.81.235.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F0D43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.56] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp01.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2h-0008Ri-9O; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:03 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2g-0001q5-G4; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:03 +0100 Message-ID: <420F3F9B.2010201@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:52:59 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <20050212235505.GT8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212235505.GT8619@alzatex.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:05 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: >>I although have observed that in this list, some of you hate Linux. >>I have never seen insults to FreeBSD in the Debian e-mail lists. They >>some times talk about some experiences about FreeBSD, but never say >>things like " such crap FreeBSD ......" as I have heard here many times. >>Be in peace my friends. > > > Actually, in my experience, I've heard more Linux people dissing on BSD > and other Unices and more BSD people accepting and even using both Linux > and BSD together. At lot of Linux people seem to get a big head about > their OS and kernel. (A lot != high percentage) I noticed this back > when all I was was a linux guy, but I was not one to dis on other > unices. > > Also, I do like both a lot and see advantages in both. I agree, thanks for the info. > > >>Anyway, I like both very much, I am following this e-mail list and >>playing with my FreeBSD install in another slice to get confortable and >>perhaps, one day, I will change. Also I try to help the FreeBSD proyect >>submitting some bug reports as I found them. I am not an expert but I >>enjoy helping others. >> >> >>PS: I am a christian and I DO NOT see any reasons to hate the beastie. I >>love the beastie, I find it nice, pleasant and kind. I like it very >>much. Do not change it please! ;-) > > > P.S. I am also a born-again christian and have never thought anything > bad of beastie, it's not a demon after all. I don't think it should be > changed. I find it very kind. I like the beastie! > > >>Sorry for my bad english. >>Enjoy the Free OSes. >> >>Ramiro. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0883E16A50C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD39E43D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.54] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2j-0002nN-Pn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:05 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2j-0005cz-2n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:05 +0100 Message-ID: <420F4254.90500@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:04:36 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:07 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > darren kirby writes: > > >>I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. > > > I think it's right on the money. The entire Linux movement is fueled by > hatred for Microsoft. And the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to > build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks like Microsoft Windows, but > doesn't come from Redmond. I do not think that the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks, the goal of Linux is to make a OS that can do whatever you want. It can talk, walk if you need it, it can be a server if you need it. It is a matter of configuring it for your needs. > > To me, that seems like a waste of time and energy. I do not understand ... > > The idea in itself of building an alternative desktop operating system > is fine. But why does it have to look like Windows? The more closely a > system approaches the look and feel of Windows, the less reason there is > to use that system instead of Windows. My Linux system do not look like windows, and never will. For example, many people use wmaker as a window manager, and I does not have anything to do with windows looking. Do not generalize when you use the word Linux, not every linux distribution has got the same goals. > > And why use UNIX as a basis for a desktop GUI? Just because it's there? Because if you use a GUI ontop a better kernel, the resultint OS will be better, and again, they are free and MS is not free. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:40:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8BB16A50C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp02.eresmas.com (asmtp02.eresmas.com [62.81.235.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B2F43D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.54] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0J2l-0002oB-MX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:07 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.183] (helo=[80.103.1.183]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0J2l-0005dT-3j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:07 +0100 Message-ID: <420F4A70.1080601@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:39:12 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:40:09 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > darren kirby writes: > > >>That is just not right. Perhaps for Redhat, SuSe et al this may be the case, >>but what do you expect? MS is their primary (only?) competition. > > > Whatever happened to UNIX _servers_? > > >>There are a million different reasons to run Linux, and a million >>different types of people that run it. > > > There are almost no reasons to run Linux instead of UNIX. > > >>Now you seem to be implying that the only difference between any two >>operating systems is what the GUI looks like. > > > No, although sometimes that is actually the case. > > >>So what's your solution, feed the Redmond beast? > > > My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install > the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. If windows is the best for you, use it and pay for it, for most of my friends it is windows too (but they are bad boys and do not pay anything), but for me is Linux/FreeBSD. I believe in free software and I will be promoting it among my friends. If we want FreeBSD and Linux survive, we have to use them. Using Windows only increases Microsoft bank acounts. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 12:59:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EDE16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:59:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE7643D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:59:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 503781C000A0 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:59:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2358B1C0009A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:59:30 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213125930144.2358B1C0009A@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:59:29 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1351774619.20050213135929@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2d7d2dd205021304292830a223@mail.gmail.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <2d7d2dd205021304292830a223@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:59:32 -0000 Simon Burke writes: > Use on my SGI workstaion (IRIX), GIMP I said Photoshop, not GIMP. I don't want equivalents, I want the same applications. I can get Photoshop on the Mac, so moving to a Mac would not present a problem for Photoshop (although it would for most of my other applications). > All of MS office can be run via wine ... Why bother, when it's so much easier to run Windows instead? >> Corel KnockOut > Quite probably plugins for GIMP to do that, infact if u know how to > use photoshop correctly then why would you need it? Have you ever used KnockOut? > If this means smart filesystem, then whats wronf with UFS2, ResierFS, XFS, No. SFS is a spectrogram analysis system for study of human speech and phonology. >> Rebel > GIMP, or stop being so fsckin lazy Rebel is a chess program. >> However, I should point out that I also have applications that will not >> run on Windows: >> >> BIND >> sendmail >> syslog >> sshd >> ProFTP >> SFTP > Every heard of cygwin? Just as it's illogical to run Windows applications in emulation under another OS, it's illogical to run non-Windows applications in emulation under Windows. > There are alsways alternaitves that can do the exact same job ... I don't want alternatives, I want THE SAME PRODUCTS. Why is this so difficult to understand? I don't want to run just any SMTP mailer, I want to run sendmail. It's as simple as that. > ... so i dont see the problem ... I do. Many geeks are extremely attached to their operating systems and relatively indifferent to their applications, since they often never do anything critical or serious with their systems, anyway. So they see no problem in using "equivalents" for certain applications in order to guarantee that they can play with their favorite operating systems. Non-geeks need specific applications for specific purposes, and the OS is irrelevant. So if application X runs on OS Y, then OS Y is the obvious choice. The vast majority of computer users are in this latter category--even many IT professionals are in this category. > ... Oh by the way I am a linux system developer, so > i do know what im on about unlike Mr i cant be bothered to update my > workstations. I've been a system developer, too, several times. But I have neither the time nor the inclination to be one when I'm trying to achieve practical, useful goals with my computers. Playing around with an OS is only practical if you have nothing else to do with a computer except play around with an OS. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:06:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B268016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:06:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (174.113.sn.ct.dsl.thebiz.net [216.238.113.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457A543D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:06:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zlists@mgm51.com) Received: from winbloat (unknown [10.0.0.38]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C8BBA2D0 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:06:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200502130806030914.000DF398@sentry.24cl.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212083036.6a917ac0.napper@docwho.org> References: <20050212083036.6a917ac0.napper@docwho.org> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:06:03 -0500 From: "MikeM" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Where is freebsd-questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:06:05 -0000 On 2/12/2005 at 8:30 AM Napper wrote: |Enough already. | |Please take *all* the off-topic postings to freebsd-chat. | |Thanks, ============= Good suggestion. For a moment this morning I thought I had stumbled into the -advocacy or -chat group in error.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:07:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F041B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:07:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502C143D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:07:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7D8561C0008E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 512CC1C00084 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:38 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213130738332.512CC1C00084@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:38 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1443444322.20050213140738@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F3BAE.40900@wanadoo.es> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> <420F3BAE.40900@wanadoo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:07:40 -0000 Ramiro Aceves writes: > How can I trust on a company that creates such a bad OSes? Most companies that write operating systems don't do a very good job of it on the first few tries. The older Mac OS (the one that preceded Mac OS X) was of the same generation as 16-bit Windows 3.x, and had the same defects. That doesn't mean that Apple was "untrustworthy," only that it couldn't afford to build a new OS from scratch. Today, most operating systems are a net loss financially. You have to depend on the peripheral effects of the OS to make up for the loss of creating it. > My girlfriend has got WinXP professional (is it sopoessed to be NT > base, is not it?) and from time to time she calls to me horrified to > say that she has a new problem with her machine: viruses, spyware, > malware, things that suddenly stop working, etc. I start trembling > each time it happens. :-/ You need to change girlfriends, not operating systems. If she would stop clicking on e-mail attachments, reading HTML e-mail, visiting questionable sites, and so on, she would not have problems with viruses, spyware, or anything else. These things do not ship with the OS. > We have to live with that. No, we don't. Some of us just skip the GUI and run more stable and secure systems in consequence. Servers don't need GUIs. > Linux and FreeBSD do it perfectly, as it have the same software > collection. Good. > If the Winbugs were well designed that should not happen. Exactly the same thing was happening long before Microsoft ever existed. > For me Linux/FreeBSD works, why should I use Windows? You should use whatever works. But for most people, the things they wish to do require Windows. > Windows is not free, I have to pay money and I do not have the source > code. That's true for most of the world's software. Writing it all off because it's not free and you can't look at source is an extreme and unnecessary sacrifice in most environments. > Why should I pay for software that it is a like a "black box", > when I can use great free OSes? Because it does what you require? > I can not afford paying a license for every piece of software I use. Some licenses are really cheap. I believe the record for low cost in my case was $5 for a shareware product. > How can I use the GIMP, xcircuit, pcb without a GUI ? Well, you can just use _equivalents_, just as people suggest to me when I point out the necessity of Windows. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:12:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7031A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7D743D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 31FE21C0009F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:12:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0E7051C00085 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:12:52 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213131252592.0E7051C00085@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:12:51 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6111473.20050213141251@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F4254.90500@wanadoo.es> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <420F4254.90500@wanadoo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:53 -0000 Ramiro Aceves writes: > I do not think that the ultimate goal of the Linux movement is to > build an OS that walks, talks, and quacks, the goal of Linux is to make > a OS that can do whatever you want. It can talk, walk if you need it, it > can be a server if you need it. It is a matter of configuring it for > your needs. It looks an awful lot like Windows for something that should be carving its own niche. And it is regularly presented as "Linux instead of Windows," which clearly implies that it's not a product in its own world, it's something that is trying to be like Windows. On that path lies danger. As for being what you need it to be, there are fundamental conflicts between desktop and server environments, such that no OS can do both perfectly. You can do one extremely well, or the other extremely well, but not both. > I do not understand ... A lot of kiddies spent all their time and energy bashing Microsoft and trying to find ways to be "as good as Microsoft" without actually using any Microsoft code. They are in a highly destructive love/hate relationship with the vendor, and that drives all their behavior, whereas among normal computer users and IT professionals, wholly different motivations and attitudes drive their behavior, in much healthier ways. > Because if you use a GUI ontop a better kernel, the resultint OS will be > better ... That depends on the type of kernel. Some operating systems are not well suited to single-user desktop GUI environments. > ... and again, they are free and MS is not free. You usually get what you pay for. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:14:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926EF16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:14:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5058143D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:14:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 85DF91C0009B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:14:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 694681C00081 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:14:43 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213131443431.694681C00081@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:14:43 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1566930427.20050213141443@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F4A70.1080601@wanadoo.es> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <420F4A70.1080601@wanadoo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:14:44 -0000 Ramiro Aceves writes: > If windows is the best for you, use it and pay for it, for most of my > friends it is windows too (but they are bad boys and do not pay > anything), but for me is Linux/FreeBSD. I believe in free software and I > will be promoting it among my friends. It's going to be hard to promote if they pirated their copies of Windows, since they didn't pay for Windows, either. > If we want FreeBSD and Linux survive, we have to use them. Using them won't guarantee their survival. Someone has to pay for their creation and maintenance. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:20:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B58916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:20:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53C543D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:20:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from pooh.nagual.st (pooh.nagual.st [192.168.11.22]) by nagual.st with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:19:14 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:20:36 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213142036.09fb3b72.dick@nagual.st> Organization: nagual SiTe X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ipfilter and ntp sserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:20:32 -0000 I want my local ntp server up and running, so I put in /etc/rc.conf: xntpd_enable="YES" but waht are the right rules for ipfilter? Someting like: # Allow out ntp traffic pass out quick on rl0 proto tcp from any to any port = 123 flags S keep state pass out quick on rl0 proto udp from any to any port = 123 keep state Or do I have to open some ports incoming as well? [ I think I need a good book about ipfilter ;-) ] I mentioned tcp/udp because I read in /etc/services that ntp uses both. Does keep state mean that automagically all incoming traffic will be OK (for ntp) -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:21:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D1B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:21:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CBC43D5A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:21:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 02B3F28423 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 7DEC828421 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC666445 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1DDL4gF090732 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:04 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050213135740.K94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl Subject: php [re]compile help - sessions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:21:20 -0000 I know this isn't FreeBSD but perhaps someone knows the way to get this accomplsihed (relatively) painlessly. I have just discovered that php4.3.10 *seems* not to be compiled with session support. php4-extensions *is* installed however, and I note in the Makefile the option WITH_SESSION is set to "yes". In an adventurous mood I decided to de - and reinstall php4-extensions, only to be met with a stop error preceded by this: checking for magic files in default path... not found configure: error: Please reinstall the libmagic distribution I don't know what magic files are. In the Makefile IMAGICK is the only reference I can find to magic...and support for that is set to "off" The objective is to enable session management, and it seems an excessively convoluted path to follow in order to get that accomplished. In a word...."Help!!" Regards & TIA, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only One Sun Feb 13 14:19:00 CET 2005 2:19PM up 1 day, 19:34, 9 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:28:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD4416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:28:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A663643D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:28:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4946122; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:28:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33777-06; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:28:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396736121; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:28:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420F5603.2020909@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:28:35 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MikeM References: <20050212083036.6a917ac0.napper@docwho.org> <200502130806030914.000DF398@sentry.24cl.com> In-Reply-To: <200502130806030914.000DF398@sentry.24cl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where is freebsd-questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:28:21 -0000 MikeM wrote: > On 2/12/2005 at 8:30 AM Napper wrote: > > |Enough already. > | > |Please take *all* the off-topic postings to freebsd-chat. > | > |Thanks, > ============= > > > Good suggestion. For a moment this morning I thought I had stumbled into > the -advocacy or -chat group in error.... As I have posted a few times... And to Anthony - You are wrong. THIS list isn't about discussing the pros and cons of one OS over another, one program over another, your personal views on FreeBSD over Windows - it's a list where users "ask questions" (thus the meaning of the list name, FreeBSD-Questions. You sir (Anthony) are the biggest contributor of the off topic/list discussions. YOU sir, are the one wasting bandwidth and baiting users into turning the few threads here into days if not weeks of propaganda crapola in. Some users have stopped reposting to the threads that you feel you must continue to post your point of view (and the point of view that you seem to be making is the only one true point of view). Take your posting to the proper lists. If you don't know what they are, here's a helping hand ... 1. FreeBSD-Chat 2. FreeBSD-Advocacy You are more then welcome to toss your hat into the ring of debate/bash/praise etc when done in the proper areas devised by the folks at FreeBSD. Now again - please discontinue your on-going rantings in THIS list. Please, for the sake of all mankind - take it to where it belongs. And to the others that can't seem to follow the list rules - please, halt your postings to the few threads that Anthony is flooding the list with and carry them to the proper place. Now ... Back to your regularly tuned program... -- Best regards, Chris No matter what happens, there is always somebody who knew that it would. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:33:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C0E16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:33:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FBF43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:33:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from pooh.nagual.st (pooh.nagual.st [192.168.11.22]) by nagual.st with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:31:58 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:33:19 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213143319.0fe50e3f.dick@nagual.st> Organization: nagual SiTe X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ipfilter outgoing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:33:14 -0000 It's difficult to program all outgoing filter rules in ipf. Every now and then I bumb into a blocked connection that I did want to work in the first place. Only because an outgoing port was/is blocked. What is the most secure way to do things? Block all outgoing and open up what I wnat or can I use i.e. the next rule in a safe way: ### pass out quick proto tcp/udp from any to any keep state keep frags Any help or suggestions are appreciated. Yes I did read all the ipf help files but it dazzles me. -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 13:48:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4DC16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:48:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CC643D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:48:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ben.haysom@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so499534wra for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:48:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iPB/40U+LeYWHPFuG1HrLs6/Pty0UyO1k5lPcOvsC1h+sYXP+uL0XGqd6koJeUJ8FI0f4EmAjgInG6B6q83kLUtV317ED94MVgD/hfm/kuFGSPkvkixrAm/r+EaqRWWeim23n1cymJKuP9wGw57zQFeh9dRBuszSw0wBoFcsVjA= Received: by 10.54.51.75 with SMTP id y75mr132143wry; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.5.51 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:48:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:48:42 +0000 From: Ben Haysom To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: fsck? problems with machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ben Haysom List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:48:44 -0000 Hi I emailed a while back. My machine reboots itself during a portupgrade -a. I was advised to test the CPU and memory, which I have done with cpburn and memtest respectively. They both seem fine. I've re-run fsck, but I don't really understand the results, and I can't find an explanation anywhere. I'm now pretty sure it's the HD at fault... would explain some dodgy behaviour in the past too. Help? Ben. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:07:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E380716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8D343D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 4B9F028423; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:08:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 20FE428421; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:08:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86F26444; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:07:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1DE7f9d091868; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:07:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:07:39 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> Message-ID: <20050213145927.Q94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> <420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl cc: Grant Peel cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:07:58 -0000 On Feb 13 at 12:07, Erik Norgaard remarked sagely: > Grant Peel wrote: > >> if I am putting together a new server, and need some x-tra args added to >> the mysql, php and apache sequence (i.e. addming the frontpage patch to the >> apache build) .. how would one do this in the port(s)? > > The options are unfortunately not always too well documented. You sir, have an awesome and enviable talent for understatement! :) > Some ports open a menu on your first install and lets you choose the options > you want. Your options are stored in a configure file for next time you > upgrade. This is the new way and should be expected in the future. [singing] "Can't stop...thinkin' about tomorrow!" [/singing] > > Compiling apache with frontpage, you install your favorite flavour of apache, > then mod_frontpage. AFAIK, all the www/mod_ ports are modules for apache. I have a funny (funny only in retrospect) story about apache, modules, and frontpage. In an earlier version of FreeBSD/Apache - having more courage than knowlege - bravely installed the frontpage module and irreperably blew up Apache forever. A complete reinstall was (regrettably) necessary. It was a lot more painful then than now...or...umm...perhaps I know a tad more now, than back then :). Nonetheless, I've never gone near the frontpage module since! (sad, since I do so like FP personally) Regards, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only One Sun Feb 13 15:07:00 CET 2005 3:07PM up 1 day, 20:22, 9 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1902416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACD943D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DELXGf021243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:21:33 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1DELUUk021241; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:21:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:21:30 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Message-ID: <20050213142130.GA20405@alzatex.com> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502121141.07311.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1443267912.20050212215132@wanadoo.fr> <200502121359.53523.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <992422833.20050213024853@wanadoo.fr> <00c101c51170$19af5ee0$4300a8c0@ostros> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:21:36 -0000 On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 09:00:41PM -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Foster wrote: > > > > >>My solution is to remove emotion from the equation and simply install > >>the best software for the job. On the desktop, that's Windows. > >>-- > >>Anthony > >> > > > >Sometimes Mac is a better solution on the desktop, especially when it > >comes to Multimedia: Video/Audio/Graphics applications. I guess that > >all depends on the environment... > > > > Or if you are a BSD/UNIX/Linux admin. It is a lot easier to ssh and do > all the other things you want with your unix-like servers from Mac OS X > than from Windows. I ssh from windows all the time using putty for my client. It's a suberb program with great terminal emulation and color support. I've also used it with public key auth and s/key auth just fine as well. There is also a patch for gssapi/krb5 support, but it's a little more difficult, but I doubt even openssh on max os x has that. For file transfers, I'd have to double check to be sure, but I believe WinSCP was my choice client. It even fully integrates with windows explorer so I can copy files just as easily as the already built-in ftp support, but do it securely. And for graphics, I find tightvnc to be a great program to access a unix desktop with. P.S. I do still prefer to be in front of a real unix system, but accessing one isn't too much trouble from windows. > > Chad > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:38:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED03D16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:38:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A91C43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:38:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46E5FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F667D.9040402@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:53 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dick hoogendijk References: <20050213142036.09fb3b72.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <20050213142036.09fb3b72.dick@nagual.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfilter and ntp sserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:38:57 -0000 dick hoogendijk wrote: > I want my local ntp server up and running, so I put in /etc/rc.conf: > xntpd_enable="YES" but waht are the right rules for ipfilter? Someting > like: > > # Allow out ntp traffic > pass out quick on rl0 proto tcp from any to any port = 123 flags S keep > state > pass out quick on rl0 proto udp from any to any port = 123 keep state > > Or do I have to open some ports incoming as well? The above allows your server to request time from remote servers, either using ntpdate or ntpd. If you want to serve other workstations then you need to accept incoming connections. > [ I think I need a good book about ipfilter ;-) ] the ipfilter howto is good, allthough the nat-part can be a bit obscure. > I mentioned tcp/udp because I read in /etc/services that ntp uses both. ntp is udp-only, see rfc1305. > Does keep state mean that automagically all incoming traffic will be OK > (for ntp) no. keep state means that when your server syncronizes with a remote ntp server, the reply packest are accepted. It does not allow incoming connections. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:41:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1A016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:41:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F4043D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:41:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 6519A28423; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:41:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id E3F3028421; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:41:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB06A6444; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:41:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1DEf2kZ092200; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:41:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:41:02 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Dave Horsfall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050213153904.B94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <20050211034704.17082.qmail@mail.datahive.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:41:16 -0000 On Feb 13 at 10:11, Dave Horsfall broke the silence and said: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: > >>> Note: The paypal payment still stands, please provide us with proof >>> you have forwarded the email to 250 people and include your paypal >>> email address where we can send the money!!! >> >> What you're suggesting is spammy. I don't doubt your good intentions, I >> don't doubt that php-fusion is decent software (I know it is) but >> *think* about what you suggested. > > This is what's known as a "joe job". Now, who has an interest in > discrediting php-fusion? eh? Could you perhaps...ermmm...expand on that just a tad? for the benefit of us uninitiated folks... inquiring minds etc. Regards, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only ONE Sun Feb 13 15:40:00 CET 2005 3:40PM up 1 day, 20:55, 9 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:46:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F177716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:46:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1B843D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:46:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C744FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:46:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F6831.8030203@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:46:09 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dick hoogendijk References: <20050213143319.0fe50e3f.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <20050213143319.0fe50e3f.dick@nagual.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfilter outgoing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:46:12 -0000 dick hoogendijk wrote: > It's difficult to program all outgoing filter rules in ipf. Every now > and then I bumb into a blocked connection that I did want to work in the > first place. Only because an outgoing port was/is blocked. > > What is the most secure way to do things? Block all outgoing and open up > what I wnat or can I use i.e. the next rule in a safe way: > > ### pass out quick proto tcp/udp from any to any keep state keep frags > > Any help or suggestions are appreciated. Yes I did read all the ipf help > files but it dazzles me. What are you protecting against? If you are the only user, and you trust your self, and you can assume that your system has not been compromised, then all outgoing connections are legitimate. Usually you filter incoming connections. Filtering outgoing has the effect of limiting the spread of a posible compromise or abuse by non-privileged users. If you want to restrict outgoing, then allow anything below port 1024 - if this is too much then read /etc/services. Above 1024 are all the non-standard services, kazaa, skype, X, mysql and other stuff. Beware, that cvsup connects to port 5999, and passive ftp-data connects to some port > 1024 depending on server config (however I think default is/should be > 49151). Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:53:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A7516A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C974E43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180])2E0FD18001BC for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:02 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Feb 2005 14:53:02 -0000 Received: by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 14A9E4BDAA; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:02 -0500 From: "Fafa Diliha Romanova" To: questions@freebsd.org, bugs@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:53:02 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:53:03 -0000 what's with this badly written error message? # telnet localhost:61 localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known have somebody compromised my telnet maybe? thanks, fafa --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 14:59:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C45E16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:59:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B40943D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:59:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 758241C0009F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:59:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5DCB21C0009E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:59:11 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213145911384.5DCB21C0009E@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:59:11 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:59:12 -0000 Fafa Diliha Romanova writes: > what's with this badly written error message? > > # telnet localhost:61 > localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known Replace the colon with a space in the command line. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:00:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B1C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:00:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0845D43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:00:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650AE6122 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34044-10 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2696121 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:00:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:01:03 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:00:47 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Fafa Diliha Romanova writes: > > >>what's with this badly written error message? >> >># telnet localhost:61 >>localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known > > > Replace the colon with a space in the command line. > Agreed - however, rethink using Telnet in favor of ssh. -- Best regards, Chris Left to themselves, all things go from bad to worse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:04:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9319B16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:04:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4579343D55; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:04:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 2C9A02842D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:05:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id 3D3A728424; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:05:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A066444; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:04:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1DF4UrA092444; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:04:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:04:26 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Fafa Diliha Romanova In-Reply-To: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050213160059.G94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl cc: bugs@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:04:45 -0000 On Feb 13 at 09:53, Fafa Diliha Romanova ASKED: > what's with this badly written error message? > > # telnet localhost:61 > localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known > > have somebody compromised my telnet maybe? No, the syntax is incorrect telnet [space] port_number so in this case: telnet localhost 61 Some tangential observations: 1. Unless you *must* use telnet for some reason, it's a good idea to turn it off. 2. Please tell us that - in the example above - you weren't telnet'ing as root? I see it was to locahost...but even so that's not a great practice. Regards & HTH, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only One Sun Feb 13 16:04:00 CET 2005 4:04PM up 1 day, 21:19, 9 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:05:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FC116A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:05:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A5743D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:05:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 23821 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 15:05:26 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Feb 2005 15:05:26 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 9C29B16A; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:05:25 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Matt Rechkemmer References: <20050208085748.GA13424@sdf.lonestar.org> <44acqfcdqk.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20050211072027.GA29449@sdf.lonestar.org> <200502120920.52803.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 13 Feb 2005 10:05:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200502120920.52803.no-spam@swiftdsl.com.au> Message-ID: <44d5v44i16.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 32 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dumb question about ports/packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:05:27 -0000 Ian Moore writes: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:50, Matt Rechkemmer wrote: > > Final question :-), is there anyway to determine if a base package is out > > of date? Or is just wise to leave the base alone and upgrade when a new > > release comes along. > > You should at least update your system when security vulnerabilities occur in > the base system. To minimise upgrades, follow the security branch for your > release - this only has security fixes, not new features. See the handbook > for details. Subscribe to the Security Notifications list to get notification > of base system vunerabilities. The current policy for the release branches is that they are not "security" branches, they are "errata" branches. The practical upshot of this is that some particularly serious non-security problems do get fixed on them. To follow up a bit farther on the original poster's question: if you don't know about a new version of software in the base system, and you're not having problems with it, you don't need to update. This doesn't apply to security problems, of course, which is why following the security advisories is essential. FreeBSD is designed to work well as an entire OS, so very few people need to update the base system piecemeal. [This is why FreeBSD is very conservative about adding anything new to the base system.] Be well.. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:10:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BF216A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:10:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622F843D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:10:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 46B341C0013D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:10:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2FDFE1C0013C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:10:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213151055196.2FDFE1C0013C@mwinf0908.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:10:54 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:10:56 -0000 Chris writes: > Agreed - however, rethink using Telnet in favor of ssh. I don't see how SSH would help when using telnet to connect to arbitrary ports. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:13:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C10316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:13:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2438D43D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:13:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 611041C000A7 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:13:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 486D31C00090 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:13:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213151328296.486D31C00090@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:13:27 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <66812990.20050213161327@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213160059.G94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <20050213160059.G94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:13:29 -0000 Colin J. Raven writes: > 1. Unless you *must* use telnet for some reason, it's a good idea to > turn it off. Telnet is port 23; this is port 61 (NI-MAIL, whatever that is). Whoever answers will be whatever program is listening on port 61, but it won't be a standard telnet daemon. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:14:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1275416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:14:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B4E43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:14:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9646122 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:14:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34385-05 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:14:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB3F6121 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:14:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:14:33 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:14:17 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chris writes: > > >>Agreed - however, rethink using Telnet in favor of ssh. > > > I don't see how SSH would help when using telnet to connect to arbitrary > ports. > Leaving the ports issue out of it (or not) we need to tell him why Telnet is not a good thing... And that would be, Telnet passes clear text whereas ssh does not. Assuming he's setting up telnet on his device. Perhaps the user is just ignorant to what ssh is. -- Best regards, Chris There's never time to do it right, but there's always time to do it over. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:17:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E835316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:17:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB2943D53 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:17:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 1743 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 15:17:32 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Feb 2005 15:17:32 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 238CD169; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:17:31 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: "Reid Linnemann" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050211145816.8FA52A069F@csa.cs.okstate.edu> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 13 Feb 2005 10:17:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050211145816.8FA52A069F@csa.cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <44650w4hh1.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 39 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wireless-to-wired bridging X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:17:33 -0000 "Reid Linnemann" writes: > I'm bridging the devices so that the wired and wireless nets will appear > to be on the same physical network to eachother. Well, yes, that's what bridging means. Why do you want that? [Is it a Microsoft thing?] > I think I was really tired when I wrote my original email.. so let me > rewrite my hypothesis: > > I am suspicious that, since the wireless interface on the BSD machine > operates in AP mode, if a wireless client wants to send a packet to > another wireless client, it must be first sent to the wireless interface > of the BSD machine, which should theoretically redirect the packet to > the appropriate host on the wireless net. In the wired network, a switch > handles this case automagically on the datalink layer before any > messages can hit the rl1 interface of the BSD router. I've looked at > the bridge code, and it seems that unless a packet is multicast or > broadcast it will be copied to the other bridged interfaces but not > returned to the original caller. Since the packets being sent from one > wireless client to another are not broadcast, I think that the bridge > module may be dumping them into the black hole of the wired LAN, and > they are not being processed and pumped back out through the ath > interface. Is this a correct assumption? Are there ways I can overcome > this problem? On a quick look, I think you might be on the right track. The bridging code seems in a number of spots to be built specifically for Ethernet. I have always maintained that bridging unlike media was a hack bound for problems... You might have more success using dummynet for bridging rather than trying to fix things in the protocol stack. Good luck. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:18:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7931016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E12543D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 69E691C000A4 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:18:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4AC1D1C000A3 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:18:30 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213151830306.4AC1D1C000A3@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:18:30 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:31 -0000 Chris writes: > Leaving the ports issue out of it (or not) we need to tell him why > Telnet is not a good thing... And that would be, Telnet passes clear > text whereas ssh does not. How can he test something on port 61 without telnet? ssh requires its own port, and since it is a complex protocol, it cannot connect to just any port as telnet can. Additionally, the danger is in telnetd daemons, not in telnet clients, and the client is what is being used here. > Assuming he's setting up telnet on his device. Perhaps the user is just > ignorant to what ssh is. There's no danger in setting up a telnet client. I routinely use the client to check that services are listening on key ports, such as smtp or pop3 or http. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:18:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1599716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1396043D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tonyaj.king@btopenworld.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (tonyaj.king@81.153.94.196 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 15:18:50 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:44 +0000 From: Tony King To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD - Is it ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:18:54 -0000 Hi I use a Mac G4 and have a spare hard drive. I would like to put a Unix OS on it but do not know what I can use. There is a Unix foundation with OSX but I would like to start from scratch and not have any concerns about messing anything up hence the spare hard drive. Most of the OS's are x86 based but Mac machines are different so I am unsure what the correct choice should be Help Tony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:20:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047AF16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao06.cox.net (lakermmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2019C43D45; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob89@bobj.org) Received: from mail.bobj.org ([24.250.218.207]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050213152024.WBEL6774.lakermmtao06.cox.net@mail.bobj.org>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:24 -0500 Received: from bobj.dyndns.org ([192.168.132.161]) (AUTH: PLAIN bobj, ) by mail.bobj.org with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:24 -0500 From: Bob Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131020.14551.bob89@bobj.org> cc: bugs@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: Fafa Diliha Romanova Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:26 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 09:53 am, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: > what's with this badly written error message? > > # telnet localhost:61 > localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known It means it tried to look up localhost:61 and couldn't make sense out of it. I believe "servname" is intended to mean "service name", i.e. the port number or name. > > have somebody compromised my telnet maybe? No. The correct syntax is "telnet localhost 61" or "telnet localhost ni-mail" where "ni-mail" is the name of the service that is officially registered to run on port 61. "man telnet" might also be informative. - Bob > > thanks, > fafa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:20:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047AF16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao06.cox.net (lakermmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2019C43D45; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob89@bobj.org) Received: from mail.bobj.org ([24.250.218.207]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050213152024.WBEL6774.lakermmtao06.cox.net@mail.bobj.org>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:24 -0500 Received: from bobj.dyndns.org ([192.168.132.161]) (AUTH: PLAIN bobj, ) by mail.bobj.org with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:24 -0500 From: Bob Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131020.14551.bob89@bobj.org> cc: bugs@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: Fafa Diliha Romanova Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:20:26 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 09:53 am, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: > what's with this badly written error message? > > # telnet localhost:61 > localhost:21: hostname nor servname provided, or not known It means it tried to look up localhost:61 and couldn't make sense out of it. I believe "servname" is intended to mean "service name", i.e. the port number or name. > > have somebody compromised my telnet maybe? No. The correct syntax is "telnet localhost 61" or "telnet localhost ni-mail" where "ni-mail" is the name of the service that is officially registered to run on port 61. "man telnet" might also be informative. - Bob > > thanks, > fafa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:22:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D8916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:22:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB7443D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:22:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0066122 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:22:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34383-10 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:22:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6176121 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:22:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:22:45 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:22:29 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chris writes: > > >>Leaving the ports issue out of it (or not) we need to tell him why >>Telnet is not a good thing... And that would be, Telnet passes clear >>text whereas ssh does not. > > > How can he test something on port 61 without telnet? ssh requires its > own port, and since it is a complex protocol, it cannot connect to just > any port as telnet can. > > Additionally, the danger is in telnetd daemons, not in telnet clients, > and the client is what is being used here. > > >>Assuming he's setting up telnet on his device. Perhaps the user is just >>ignorant to what ssh is. > > > There's no danger in setting up a telnet client. I routinely use the > client to check that services are listening on key ports, such as smtp > or pop3 or http. > I think we're both assuming what the user is doing and the reasons as to why. Let's just agree that: 1. Telnet can use any ports providing the user redirects. 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. 3. ssh ought to be used to replace Telnet whenever possible. 4. ssh also can be made to work with any port other then 22 -- Best regards, Chris It is easier to get forgiveness than permission. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:38:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C901616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B4A43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC1171C000A2 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:38:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 874D01C000A0 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:38:18 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213153818554.874D01C000A0@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:38:18 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:19 -0000 Chris writes: > I think we're both assuming what the user is doing and the reasons as to > why. Let's just agree that: > > 1. Telnet can use any ports providing the user redirects. > 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. > 3. ssh ought to be used to replace Telnet whenever possible. > 4. ssh also can be made to work with any port other then 22 %ssh -p 21 localhost ssh: connect to host localhost.atkielski.com port 21: Connection refused % Telnet uses a protocol that is identical to many other protocols apart from the text of the messages exchanged. SSH requires a specific handshaking sequence that other services on arbitrary ports do not support. So if you want to test the SMTP port, or the POP3 port, or any one of quite a few other ports, you must use telnet. Additionally, there is no security advantage to using any other client in these cases, since these protocols are not intrinsically secured, and any protocols that are secured are unlikely to use the same security protocol as that used by SSH. SSH can be made to work using any port--provided that it is a standard SSH connection to a SSH service listening on the addressed port. That obviously won't be the case if one is testing other services. So the only situation in which telnet can really be replaced by SSH is for a standard login. Since the original poster is trying to connect to port 61, I assume he is using telnet to test the service on that port, and so SSH is irrelevant. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:40:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF57916A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:40:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.seekingfire.com (caliban.rospa.ca [24.72.10.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9D043D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:40:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tillman@seekingfire.com) Received: by mail.seekingfire.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 8698EFE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:40:50 -0600 From: Tillman Hodgson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213154050.GF65744@seekingfire.com> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . X-GPG-Key-ID: 828AFC7B X-GPG-Fingerprint: 5584 14BA C9EB 1524 0E68 F543 0F0A 7FBC 828A FC7B X-GPG-Key: http://www.seekingfire.com/personal/gpg_key.asc X-Urban-Legend: There is lots of hidden information in headers X-Tillman-rules: yes he does X-No-prize-winner: Nathanael User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:40:53 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 09:22:45AM -0600, Chris wrote: > 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. Not in a Kerberos environment it doesn't, nor in an transport-mode IPsec environment. Related to that is connections where transport-level encryption typically doesn't matter: connecting over a cross-over cable is one example. > 3. ssh ought to be used to replace Telnet whenever possible. s/whenever possible/where it makes sense/. -T -- 1. Get enough food to eat, and eat it. 2. Find a place to sleep where it is quiet, and sleep there. 3. Reduce intellectual and emotional noise until you arrive at the silence of yourself, and listen to it. 4. - Richard Brautigan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:45:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2D816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:45:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AF343D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:45:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782406122 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:45:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34503-02 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:45:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683FC6121 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:45:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420F7616.1060309@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:45:26 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:45:10 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: *snip* > Since the original poster is trying to connect to port 61, I assume he > is using telnet to test the service on that port, and so SSH is > irrelevant. Regardless of what you assume - the user didn't indicate the reasons for using telnet nor did he relay the reason(s) for the odd port. Don't assume - either you know, or you don't. In this case - neither of us knows. With that being said, I refuse to get into semantics. -- Best regards, Chris A fail-safe circuit will destroy others. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:50:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E283B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:50:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BE943D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:50:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from lothlorien.nagual.st (lothlorien.nagual.st [192.168.11.1]) by nagual.st with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:49:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:49:27 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213164927.02208a33.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <420F667D.9040402@locolomo.org> References: <20050213142036.09fb3b72.dick@nagual.st> <420F667D.9040402@locolomo.org> Organization: nagual SiTe X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ipfilter and ntp sserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:50:47 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:53 +0100 Erik Norgaard wrote: > ntp is udp-only, see rfc1305. Then how come I read in /etc/services 123/tcp 123/udp "network time protocol" ? I believe you, but am just curious. -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:53:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0734A16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:53:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4779F43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:53:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from lothlorien.nagual.st (lothlorien.nagual.st [192.168.11.1]) by nagual.st with esmtp; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:52:33 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:52:33 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050213165233.129f68b2.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <420F6831.8030203@locolomo.org> References: <20050213143319.0fe50e3f.dick@nagual.st> <420F6831.8030203@locolomo.org> Organization: nagual SiTe X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ipfilter outgoing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:53:50 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:46:09 +0100 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Beware, that cvsup connects to port 5999, and passive ftp-data > connects to some port > 1024 depending on server config (however I > think default is/should be > 49151). I have configures pure-ftpd to use a restrict set op known ports to the outside. I also openen up 5999 already. Most problems I encounter are for streaming media. This is blocked most of the time. Are these random ports or always the same? -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 15:54:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3453916A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc4-cdif3-6-1-cust116.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.23.41.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6E343D31; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from mini.private.submonkey.net ([192.168.10.11]) by shrike.submonkey.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0M57-000EeG-1y; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <935ac772af1fb1a26ca63f894ddd9ea8@submonkey.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ceri Davies Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:44 +0000 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: Robert Marella cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Garance A Drosehn Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:54 -0000 On 12 Feb 2005, at 07:12, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > With BSD, the copyrights on it are held by the University of Berkeley > and by the FreeBSD Project. Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently? Ceri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:02:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CF416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:02:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD3543D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:02:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4EFE41C00095 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:02:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 346721C00093 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:02:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213160220214.346721C00093@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:02:19 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1862258580.20050213170219@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <935ac772af1fb1a26ca63f894ddd9ea8@submonkey.net> References: <935ac772af1fb1a26ca63f894ddd9ea8@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:02:21 -0000 Ceri Davies writes: > Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently? Wow! What a mess! How much would it cost to have a team of lawyers verify that all those copyrights are cleared? Why are people asserting their own copyrights in the code? -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:23:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C9F16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:23:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B878943D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:23:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from netch@lucky.net) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (netch@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua with ESMTP id j1DGN8Xc009725; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:23:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch@burka.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j1DGN8Yh009722; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:23:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:23:08 +0200 From: Valentin Nechayev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213162308.GA95890@lucky.net> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> X-42: On X-Verify-Sender: Address has been verified (burka.carrier.kiev.ua) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Mail Servers on kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua host X-Antivirus-Code: 100000 Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: netch@lucky.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:23:18 -0000 Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 16:38:18, atkielski.anthony wrote about "Re: WEIRD: telnet": >> 1. Telnet can use any ports providing the user redirects. >> 2. Telnet passes clear text no matter what. >> 3. ssh ought to be used to replace Telnet whenever possible. >> 4. ssh also can be made to work with any port other then 22 > %ssh -p 21 localhost > ssh: connect to host localhost.atkielski.com port 21: Connection refused > % If I show screenshot with ssh'ing to port 443, will it be convincing? It is really production-using (there is a place where it is used to pass overrestricted firewall thru proxy server with authorization). Another department allows only connect to port 25 thru semi-secret SOCKS, so port 25 is also working at some host as SSH. > Telnet uses a protocol that is identical to many other protocols apart > from the text of the messages exchanged. SSH requires a specific > handshaking sequence that other services on arbitrary ports do not > support. So if you want to test the SMTP port, or the POP3 port, or any > one of quite a few other ports, you must use telnet. Not current telnet, because it interprets 0xFF in wrong way. See bin/52032 > Since the original poster is trying to connect to port 61, I assume he > is using telnet to test the service on that port, and so SSH is > irrelevant. It may be true or untrue. ;)) -netch- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:31:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA93716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:31:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from elivefree.net (mail.elivefree.net [193.95.149.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9291243D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:31:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wayne@nightsol.net) Received: from [212.2.174.166] ([212.2.174.166] verified) by elivefree.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d14) with ESMTP id S.0002412231 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:33:57 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:31:37 +0000 From: Wayne To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Is it ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:31:37 -0000 On 2/13/05 15:18, "Tony King" wrote: > Hi > I use a Mac G4 and have a spare hard drive. > I would like to put a Unix OS on it but do not know what I can use. Freebsd wont run on a g4. Try netbsd - http://www.netbsd.org The page for your g4 would be http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc Some people find linux easier to use when starting out than bsd so if you ever want to try linux check out yellowdog linux http://www.yellowdoglinux.com or debian http://www.debian.org Rgds, W From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:41:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C99716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:41:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B1143D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:41:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87557FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:41:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F8328.7000209@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:41:12 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dick hoogendijk References: <20050213142036.09fb3b72.dick@nagual.st> <420F667D.9040402@locolomo.org> <20050213164927.02208a33.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <20050213164927.02208a33.dick@nagual.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfilter and ntp sserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:41:16 -0000 dick hoogendijk wrote: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:38:53 +0100 > Erik Norgaard wrote: > > >>ntp is udp-only, see rfc1305. > > > Then how come I read in /etc/services 123/tcp 123/udp "network time > protocol" ? > > I believe you, but am just curious. > IANA has decided always to assign both tcp and udp, even if only one is used. You will see that ssh also has both udp and tcp although only tcp is used. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:43:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5322816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ALLS.cdi-axion.com (cdi-axion.com [206.162.137.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDD843D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Medik@pbsclan.com) Received: from brain.pbsclan.com ([216.228.217.55]) by ALLS.cdi-axion.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id j1DH44G8005434; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:04:05 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050213113307.00b1b1a0@mail.pbsclan.com> X-Sender: Medik@pbsclan.com@mail.pbsclan.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:43:35 -0500 To: Erik Norgaard From: ".:PBS:. Medik" In-Reply-To: <420B3005.5020003@locolomo.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209142821.00b257b0@mail.pbsclan.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050209112731.00b1e930@cdi-axion.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050209142821.00b257b0@mail.pbsclan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:15 -0000 Hello again, I'm just returning a final note as you have supplied me with the solution, many thanks. I ditched my 4.6.2R, and found another version in my old stack of CDs' the 4.7 version, and installed like a charm, as you suggested, I did a minimal install and fetched all relevant distributions VIA FTP, and everything compiled perfectly along with Apache.. Why I didn't get the 5.3 as you suggested, well, my CD burner is still fried, and I'm not able to replace it anytime soon. so the luck of finding the 4.7 in my overly large inventory of CDs' was a miracle :) Again many thanks for throwing me in the right direction, if I need anything else, I will surely return to you via email :) Best regards. Marc. At 10:57 AM 2/10/2005 +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote: >.:PBS:. Medik wrote: > >>I installed my copy of 4.6.2 cleanly on a machine, to avoid having to >>find myself looking for more ports and programs to install I did a >>complete installation without bothering with the configuration of >>Xwindows ( as I will be accessing this box from SSH on a windows machine) >>so I don't need the XFREE86 or however its called, hehe. So in essence >>this is all being fine tuned by remote on LAN. > >First, 4.6 is depreciated, since you are starting on a clean install, I >suggest you start with a current release such as 4.11 or 5.3. For ease of >future upgrade, I suggest 5.3. Get the first iso, no need for the rest. > >Second, you might find yourself installing a few times before you get it >right. Not that you get it wrong at first, but your needs might need to >clear up. A full install is not recommended, you will get a system that >requires more work to update. A minimal is better, since you can always >add stuff as you need. Dependencies are resolved automatically if you use >the ports. > >For a workstation I choose X-Developer, for a server, no X. > >>To answer your question about whether I'm downloading .iso, no I did that >>for the first copy of the OS only and made a cd copy from windows yes. >>But all further ports I grab are *.tar.gz straight from Apache.org yes >>and then ftp'd into my bsd box. I can unzip them fine then I'm stuck with >>the tar to which I believe I 'untared' it correctly that now I have an >>apache_1.3.33 folder, which to me seems fine, but I don't believe I put >>it in the right directory tree. > >It sounds like you are not installing from ports, this explains why apache >fails to compile. You should get the ports tree in /usr/ports, then > ># cd /usr/ports/www/apache13 ># make ># make install > >if you get an error, retry and you can catch all the output using script: > ># script apache_build.log ># make ># exit > >see if you can locate the problem if not copy the relevant part of the >output when asking here. > >cheers, Erik >-- >Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org >S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt >Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 >Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:43:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3037316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBF543D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A42FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:43:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420F83A8.8050200@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:43:20 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dick hoogendijk References: <20050213143319.0fe50e3f.dick@nagual.st> <420F6831.8030203@locolomo.org> <20050213165233.129f68b2.dick@nagual.st> In-Reply-To: <20050213165233.129f68b2.dick@nagual.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfilter outgoing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:43:23 -0000 dick hoogendijk wrote: > I have configures pure-ftpd to use a restrict set op known ports to the > outside. > I also openen up 5999 already. > > Most problems I encounter are for streaming media. This is blocked most > of the time. Are these random ports or always the same? Dunno, I think they are, but it is badly documented as these are proprietary protocols. google port numbers, some lists are more extensive than /etc/services Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 16:51:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9002316A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:51:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3178743D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:51:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 66D771C0009F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:51:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 486491C0009A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:51:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213165104296.486491C0009A@mwinf1112.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:51:04 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <973616252.20050213175104@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213162308.GA95890@lucky.net> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1736042877.20050213155911@wanadoo.fr> <420F6BAF.8060304@makeworld.com> <1374659210.20050213161054@wanadoo.fr> <420F6ED9.8010301@makeworld.com> <285864121.20050213161830@wanadoo.fr> <420F70C5.60006@makeworld.com> <854574739.20050213163818@wanadoo.fr> <20050213162308.GA95890@lucky.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:51:05 -0000 Valentin Nechayev writes: > If I show screenshot with ssh'ing to port 443, will it be convincing? Yes. I'd like to see how it's done, if it can be done, although I'm still now sure how it would be useful. But I'd rather see it used to connect to ports like 25 or 80. > Not current telnet, because it interprets 0xFF in wrong way. See bin/52032 I dunno. Works for me. Of course, all I ever do with it is check to see if sendmail or my Web server is answering, so it's not a long exchange. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:05:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE78B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:05:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4A943D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:05:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dawgeestyle@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so532698rng for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=tP978iYwW57a6NjR0JnE0dCKHlSVJU2g1T3ZZ3n/auOJN11u2OTVlyER2MXDx6htO8EZ8qg33F2xhL3X9KY/UzobT9NGWtXLhOyg1LDTGSYPhZWMYSBcGVVZk0K3UZkEMqL/XC404Izjp4e3DcPtwmVDMLEA57iBPTQGUxxBcNo= Received: by 10.38.149.3 with SMTP id w3mr226876rnd; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.32 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ae9cd55050213090527d9a4c9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:05:39 -0500 From: Ben Dover To: aklist_061666 In-Reply-To: <002001c5106a$08495a90$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <002001c5106a$08495a90$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie upgrade problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ben Dover List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:05:40 -0000 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:46:43 -0500, aklist_061666 wrote: > Hi: I upgraded from freebsd 5.1 to 5.3, and the upgrade went pretty > smoothly. > > I had BIND 9.2.3 running on 5.1, and when I upgraded to 5.3, BIND 9.3.0 was > installed. > > my old named.conf file is still in /etc, but 9.3.0 doesn't seem to be > reading it. > > I tried restarting bind with /usr/sbin/named -4 -c /etc/named.conf > > and it loaded, but for each file in etc/named.conf I received an error: > > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: starting BIND 9.3.0 -4 -c /etc/named.conf > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in > use > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: creating IPv4 interface xl0 failed; > interface ig > nored > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in > use > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: creating IPv4 interface lo0 failed; > interface ig > nored > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: not listening on any interfaces > Feb 11 12:54:09 ns2 named[661]: command channel listening on 0.0.0.0#953 > Feb 11 12:54:10 ns2 named[596]: client 192.168.1.40#59629: received notify > for z > one 'climateiseverything.com': not authoritative > > ...[lots of zones have that error > > Feb 11 13:35:05 ns2 named[278]: zone > 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 > .0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.IP6.ARPA/IN: loading master file > master/localhost-v6.rev: f > ile not found > Feb 11 13:35:05 ns2 named[278]: zone > 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 > .0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.IP6.INT/IN: loading master file > master/localhost-v6.rev: fi > le not found > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I believe you have to regenerate your localhost files. cd to /var/named/etc/namedb and /bin/sh make-localhost This should stop at least the above error. Take a look at the following link, there is a section on what you have to do with named during an upgrade. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/migration-guide.html Note that your config files need to be moved from /var/named to /var/named/etc/namedb FYI i start BIND 9 in sandbox with "/etc/rc.d/named start" It looks easier than typing all that you typed ;) Hope this helps From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:19:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F58816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:19:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA8D43D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:19:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon.burke@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so3339249wra for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:19:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oFrJHgE3nK0Z2gN8me8RPNPwVY9HzSgoLTL1LRf9KqJiZBuLXwCEQJX9jzF4SP9ZkKcxVIpXZI5TUaVB02/iZkOfYRjEnfuEj3wKImDc161tj55XECaFvVjYbH8K7Z3kRRsaz0tZSZCCqH6XH0rdDz8IrlH5WTrnsQXLDsMoRzc= Received: by 10.54.44.46 with SMTP id r46mr126644wrr; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.11.63 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:19:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2d7d2dd205021309194bc2264c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:19:53 +0000 From: Simon Burke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr In-Reply-To: <1351774619.20050213135929@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <2d7d2dd205021304292830a223@mail.gmail.com> <1351774619.20050213135929@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Simon Burke List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:19:57 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:59:29 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Simon Burke writes: >=20 > > Use on my SGI workstaion (IRIX), GIMP >=20 > I said Photoshop, not GIMP. I use photshop on IRIX i mean, and you can use gimp too, is what i meant. >=20 > I don't want equivalents, I want the same applications. Why? , if the equiv can get the same job done, just as wel most of the time= . >=20 > I can get Photoshop on the Mac, so moving to a Mac would not present a > problem for Photoshop (although it would for most of my other > applications). You can get photoshop for unix, mainly IRIX but you can. >=20 > > All of MS office can be run via wine ... >=20 > Why bother, when it's so much easier to run Windows instead? If this is your attitude why are you even using BSD, why not use MS server and XP? >=20 > >> Corel KnockOut > > Quite probably plugins for GIMP to do that, infact if u know how to > > use photoshop correctly then why would you need it? >=20 > Have you ever used KnockOut? No > > If this means smart filesystem, then whats wronf with UFS2, ResierFS, X= FS, >=20 > No. SFS is a spectrogram analysis system for study of human speech and > phonology. There is quite probably a open sourced eqiv. > >> Rebel > > GIMP, or stop being so fsckin lazy >=20 > Rebel is a chess program. > >> However, I should point out that I also have applications that will no= t > >> run on Windows: > >> > >> BIND > >> sendmail > >> syslog > >> sshd > >> ProFTP > >> SFTP > > Every heard of cygwin? >=20 > Just as it's illogical to run Windows applications in emulation under > another OS, it's illogical to run non-Windows applications in emulation > under Windows. WINE is not an emulator, infact that is what wine stands for so get your facts straight =20 > > There are alsways alternaitves that can do the exact same job ... >=20 > I don't want alternatives, I want THE SAME PRODUCTS. Why is this so > difficult to understand? I don't want to run just any SMTP mailer, I > want to run sendmail. It's as simple as that. Why? you now seem to be contradicting your self, why dont you just use windows then? you'll obviously be much happier > > ... so i dont see the problem ... >=20 > I do. Many geeks are extremely attached to their operating systems and > relatively indifferent to their applications, since they often never do > anything critical or serious with their systems, anyway. So they see no > problem in using "equivalents" for certain applications in order to > guarantee that they can play with their favorite operating systems. >=20 > Non-geeks need specific applications for specific purposes, and the OS > is irrelevant. So if application X runs on OS Y, then OS Y is the > obvious choice. >=20 > The vast majority of computer users are in this latter category--even > many IT professionals are in this category. >=20 I would really get your facts straight before you say things, it makes you look ignorant. People use operating systems that suit there needs, not to be geeky, not to look down on other people. Windows is fine if all you want to do is point and click at things. EG, dreamweaver, its a very point click piece fo software, you dont have to know any web language to get a fairly decent web-site out, and that is not really a good thing. Where as if you have more knowledge then you would prefer to be able to have more control and input to the final prdouct where with most M$ apps you dont. If you are implying that it is useless using open operating systems (which it appears you are) then why are you on the mailing list. >I've been a system developer, too, several times. But I have neither >the time nor the inclination to be one when I'm trying to achieve >practical, useful goals with my computers. Playing around with an OS is >only practical if you have nothing else to do with a computer except >play around with an OS. Excuse me? are you saying the system developers just play around with OS'es. I dont think i'd get paid =A330,000 a year to play around, I create systems for a sucsessful solutions company and are used in a lot fo smaller companies who cant afford the extortionate prices of M$. S please stop being so ignorant. =20 --=20 Theres no place like ::1 Thanks, SimonB http://simon.geek-web.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:22:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9C316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:22:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B600B43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:22:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trey@fastmail.fm) Received: from localhost ([69.40.88.94]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050213172254.ZBRN11805.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@localhost> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:22:54 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:23:11 -0500 From: Trey Sizemore To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213122311.33c14f78@localhost> Organization: very poor X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.1cvs1.3 (GTK+ 2.4.14; i386-unknown-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Locale settings messed up X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:22:56 -0000 It would appear that my locale settings are defaulting back to C, at least for gnome apps. I log in using GDM and set my locale to en _US but my gnome/gtk apps (specifically mailers like sylpheed and evolution) default to C when sorting my mail folders (case sensitive) or presenting date formats for the current locale. Here's my locale output trey@salamander~> locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL= It appears that the entries presented with quotes (COLLATE) is telling me there's a problem. How can I fix this? It's driving me crazy. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:47:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D8216A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:47:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpx.spintech.ro (smtpx.spintech.ro [81.181.24.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6423543D46 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:47:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aanton@spintech.ro) Received: from smtpx.spintech.ro (antivirus [15.0.0.1]) by smtpx.spintech.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA29F3A53E; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (beastie [10.0.0.2]) by smtpx.spintech.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6062A3A4E4; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <420F9311.8080000@spintech.ro> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:49:05 +0200 From: Alin-Adrian Anton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041229) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dgw@liwest.at References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> <420E2992.10509@ps102.de> <200502121827.13481.dgw@liwest.at> In-Reply-To: <200502121827.13481.dgw@liwest.at> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Open-Source: www.opensource.org cc: Volker Kindermann cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:47:26 -0000 Daniela wrote: > On Saturday 12 February 2005 16:06, Volker Kindermann wrote: > >>Hi Daniela, >> >> >>>Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a >>>router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) >>>to another LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to >>>another point in the intranet, the source address used is my official IP, >>>and not 10.0.0.1, which is the intranet IP of the router. >> >>please post the output of the following commands: >> >>ifconfig -a > > > [Showing only relevant entries. My official IP is replaced with x.x.x.x] > rl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet6 fe80::202:44ff:fe66:bf4%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > inet x.x.x.x netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast x.x.x.255 > ether 00:02:44:66:0b:f4 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > rl1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet6 fe80::20a:cdff:fe00:c076%rl1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 10.255.255.255 > ether 00:0a:cd:00:c0:76 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > > I really don't see why you use A-class netmask. It's very probable that a C-class netmask would suffice: rl1 inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 Also, the routes for rl1 which is the internal interface don't look normal. You should have only one rl1 entry, like this: 10.0.0.0 link#2 UC 0 0 rl1 And not: > 10 link#2 UC 2 0 rl1 > 10.0.0.3 00:0d:61:17:fc:30 UHLW 1 444 rl1 903 > 10.255.255.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 0 2453 rl1 See? Why special route for 10.0.0.3? Besides that, I hope your nat and firewall configs are not mangled too. Try these changes first, and see if things get normal. PS: there is *no way* for the behaviour you explained to happen under normal circumstances, unless you *explicitly*, intentionally or by mistake have configured the gateway to do so. Regards, -- Alin-Adrian Anton GPG keyID 0x183087BA (B129 E8F4 7B34 15A9 0785 2F7C 5823 ABA0 1830 87BA) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0x183087BA "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:48:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EB116A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:48:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp04.eresmas.com (asmtp04.eresmas.com [62.81.235.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAEC43D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:48:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.54] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp04.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0NrK-0007yv-0T for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:48:38 +0100 Received: from [80.103.54.52] (helo=[80.103.54.52]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0NrI-00082Y-90 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:48:38 +0100 Message-ID: <420F92D3.6070806@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:48:03 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> <420F3BAE.40900@wanadoo.es> <1443444322.20050213140738@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1443444322.20050213140738@wanadoo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:48:41 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ramiro Aceves writes: > > >>How can I trust on a company that creates such a bad OSes? > > > Most companies that write operating systems don't do a very good job of > it on the first few tries. The older Mac OS (the one that preceded Mac > OS X) was of the same generation as 16-bit Windows 3.x, and had the same > defects. That doesn't mean that Apple was "untrustworthy," only that it > couldn't afford to build a new OS from scratch. > > Today, most operating systems are a net loss financially. You have to > depend on the peripheral effects of the OS to make up for the loss of > creating it. > > >>My girlfriend has got WinXP professional (is it sopoessed to be NT >>base, is not it?) and from time to time she calls to me horrified to >>say that she has a new problem with her machine: viruses, spyware, >>malware, things that suddenly stop working, etc. I start trembling >>each time it happens. :-/ > > > You need to change girlfriends, not operating systems. If she would > stop clicking on e-mail attachments, reading HTML e-mail, visiting > questionable sites, and so on, she would not have problems with viruses, > spyware, or anything else. These things do not ship with the OS. Yes, they do what Windows teached them, pointing and clicking "accept" without reading what the computer says. > > >>We have to live with that. > > > No, we don't. Some of us just skip the GUI and run more stable and > secure systems in consequence. Servers don't need GUIs. You dont skip the GUI for your windows the same as I do not skip it on my Linux or FreeBSD. > > >>Linux and FreeBSD do it perfectly, as it have the same software >>collection. > > > Good. > > >>If the Winbugs were well designed that should not happen. > > > Exactly the same thing was happening long before Microsoft ever existed. > > >>For me Linux/FreeBSD works, why should I use Windows? > > > You should use whatever works. But for most people, the things they > wish to do require Windows. > The things I use, do not require Windows. > >>Windows is not free, I have to pay money and I do not have the source >>code. > > > That's true for most of the world's software. Writing it all off > because it's not free and you can't look at source is an extreme and > unnecessary sacrifice in most environments. > > >>Why should I pay for software that it is a like a "black box", >>when I can use great free OSes? > > > Because it does what you require? > > >>I can not afford paying a license for every piece of software I use. > > > Some licenses are really cheap. I believe the record for low cost in my > case was $5 for a shareware product. > > >>How can I use the GIMP, xcircuit, pcb without a GUI ? > > > Well, you can just use _equivalents_, just as people suggest to me when > I point out the necessity of Windows. > Anthony, I think that we have very different points of view, and we are never going to agree in this subject. So the best thing we can do is closing this unuseful thread and concentrate in what we have in common: FreeBSD. We are wasting very valuable bandwidth on the list. Last days this e-mail list was almost unreadable, and we are showing a very bad aprearance to the newcomers. Thanks for your time. Ramiro. PS: I promise myself not answering any controversial question on this list anymore. ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:00:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA4F16A544 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:00:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4F5C43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:00:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO officeeagle) (pschmehl@sbcglobal.net@66.140.63.40 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 18:00:25 -0000 Message-ID: <020801c511f5$e4f55430$7702a8c0@officeeagle> From: "Paul Schmehl" To: "Erik Norgaard" , "Grant Peel" References: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> <420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:58:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:00:56 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Norgaard" To: "Grant Peel" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:07 AM Subject: Re: Ports > > Till then, you'll have to look in the Makefile, there are typically a lot > of WITH_ or WITHOUT_ options. When posible, I recommend installing with > default options and configure those options manually, otherwise, remember > to save your custom options somewhere. It makes upgrade easier. > I can't believe you said this and got away with it. You can save your make options in /etc/make.conf and never have to mess with them again, unless you decide to change your install for some reason. See the following posts, for example: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-July/053070.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2003-August/017036.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-isp/2003-June/000510.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-April/044315.html Paul Schmehl (baldeagle) The Stovebolt Geek geek@stovebolt.com http://www.stovebolt.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:19:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B54716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:19:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from S4.cableone.net (smtp4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ADB43D54 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:19:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vixen42.local.lan (unverified [24.119.71.85]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 10090438 for multiple; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:22:11 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:18:47 -0600 From: Vulpes Velox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213121847.0ac4fa12@vixen42.local.lan> In-Reply-To: <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 107, in=32, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.71.85 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:19:56 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:56:44 +0100 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Could you please either explain, why Freebsd is superior to Linux, > > (I am asking this as I would like to understand, in more depth, > > why it is better) or direct me to a source that might give me > > some further reading on the subject. > > The main reason why I consider Linux inferior to FreeBSD is that > Linux is only a kernel, whereas FreeBSD is a complete OS. > > Linus Torvalds originally wrote only the kernel portion of an > operating system. He wrote it from scratch and patterned it after > the behavior of the well-established UNIX operating system. This > kernel became Linux. > > Unfortunately, a kernel alone doesn't make an operating system. So > people began adding programs to the kernel in order to provide > something complete enough to actually run as an OS. Different > organizations added a different mix of programs, and each mix today > is called a "distribution." No two distributions are alike. The > set of programs you get in your Linux OS from Red Hat isn't the same > as the set of programs you get in your OS from Debian, and so on. > > The Linux situation is pretty unusual. Most operating systems, > including FreeBSD, are supplied as complete operating systems from > the start, including not only a kernel but also a comprehensive, > coherent, and consistent set of system programs to run under that > kernel. You don't need a "distribution"; the OS already contains > everything you need to run the system. In my view, this greatly > improves reliability, stability, and coherent of the OS, as there is > only one version of the OS for each release, and it is complete in > itself. > > Another reason why I prefer FreeBSD is that the BSD UNIX systems > have a much longer history that is much more closely linked to UNIX > as a concept than does Linux. New code is usually buggy code, and > so I prefer an OS that has time-proven code, or at least is > patterned after time-proven OS concepts. I find it very hard to > believe that a university student is going to write a kernel that is > superior to kernels that have been established and tweaked little by > little by many programmers over a period of decades. > > For example, I learned only yesterday that Linux does asynchronous > disk I/O by default. That means that disk I/O is buffered within > the kernel, such that data written to disk doesn't immediately get > actually recorded on disk--instead, the OS actually writes to disk > when it deems it best from a performance standpoint. While this > improves performance enormously, it does so at a very high potential > cost: because if the system crashes before the disk is written, the > entire file system may be destroyed (key blocks on disk within the > file system may not be updated correctly, causing corruption so > serious that the file system must be recreated and restored > completely from backup). > > FreeBSD, on the other hand, uses a type of buffered I/O that > guarantees that the file system structure on disk is always > coherent. Disk writes are buffered, but they are written out to > disk in such a way that, at any given instant, the file structure is > clean and coherent. If a power failure occurs, you may lose the > last few seconds of data you wrote to a file, but the structure of > your system and directories will not be corrupted. > > Still another reason why I prefer FreeBSD is that it places far less > emphasis on the desktop. Linux has been moving more and more > towards a desktop because that's where the hype and money is > perceived to be. It's a losing proposition because Windows and the > Mac are so dramatically superior to Linux that it will probably > never catch up. But all the emphasis on pretty graphics and > Windows-like desktop behavior are made at the expense of server > performance. You can't have an OS that is both a good server AND a > good desktop. Linux is wasting time aiming at the desktop, while > most other versions of UNIX (including FreeBSD) are aiming at > servers. I run a server, so I use FreeBSD. I think the problem there is ppl make largely pointless differences between the two... the only difference between a server and desktop, is a desktop needs support sound cards and a the kernel level stuff for GL. > (Ironically, Mac OS X uses elements of BSD as its foundation and is > a UNIX system underneath the hood. But Apple has hugely modified > the upper layers of the OS and has done so in a coherent, controlled > way, producing a desktop that is dramatically superior to anything > Linux will ever produce.) > > Finally, I know from some years of experience with FreeBSD that it > is a rock stable operating system that makes very efficient use of > whatever hardware you give it and never crashes. I have thus come > to trust it for my production server, which must run 24 hours per > day (350,000 unique visitors per month on my Web site, or about 12 > million hits, plus all of my DNS resolution, e-mail services, time > synchronization, etc.). > > I hope this helps. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:21:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9512516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:21:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CFB43D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:21:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zettel@acm.org) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (bgp966574bgs.derbrn01.mi.comcast.net[68.41.108.205]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005021318210901100dukrke>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:21:10 +0000 From: Len Zettel To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:18:32 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502131318.32282.zettel@acm.org> Subject: Recommended desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:21:11 -0000 I am looking for a desktop environment to run with freebsd. I will be the sole user. Must-have: graphical ftp client spreadsheet package capable of handling .xls files word processor capable of handling .doc files ability to handle email web browser. Given the above, the winner will be the one whose ins and outs are the easiest to master thoroughly - likely a tradeoff between simplicity of design and implementation and thoroughness of documentation. I have been in the computer biz since 1962 and have been paid to program in C, BASIC, and Forth, among others. I have been notorious for reading manuals. Suggestions? -LenZ- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:54:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09CA16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:54:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.telnix.com (office.telnix.com [70.58.179.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4EF0E43D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:54:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rk@wrpkap.net) Received: (qmail 53132 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 18:54:35 -0000 Received: from d12-60.rb.jax.centurytel.net (HELO ?192.168.1.47?) (rk@wrpkap.net@69.29.147.60) by office.telnix.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 18:54:35 -0000 From: Randy Powell Organization: Home To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:54:37 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131254.37248.rk@wrpkap.net> X-Spam-Rating: office.telnix.com 0/1/N Subject: Printing in KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:54:36 -0000 Gerald: I have the same problem that you have or still are fighting with printing within kde3. Your error messages are the same. Have you had any success solving the printing problem? Randy Powell Open Source Advocate 2/13/05 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:56:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECE616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:56:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.telnix.com (office.telnix.com [70.58.179.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED59743D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:56:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rk@wrpkap.net) Received: (qmail 53388 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 18:56:04 -0000 Received: from d12-60.rb.jax.centurytel.net (HELO ?192.168.1.47?) (rk@wrpkap.net@69.29.147.60) by office.telnix.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 18:56:04 -0000 From: Randy Powell Organization: Home To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:56:06 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131256.06462.rk@wrpkap.net> X-Spam-Rating: office.telnix.com 0/1/N Subject: Printing in KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:56:05 -0000 Gerald, I forgot to post my e-mail. rk@wrpkap.net Randy Powell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 19:12:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA5516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:12:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEE543D5C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:12:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901C26122; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35323-06; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D606121; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420FA69F.9010603@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:12:31 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Len Zettel References: <200502131318.32282.zettel@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <200502131318.32282.zettel@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:12:14 -0000 Len Zettel wrote: > I am looking for a desktop environment to run > with freebsd. I will be the sole user. > > Must-have: > graphical ftp client > spreadsheet package capable of handling .xls files > word processor capable of handling .doc files > ability to handle email > web browser. > > Given the above, the winner will be the one whose > ins and outs are the easiest to master thoroughly - likely a > tradeoff between simplicity of design and implementation > and thoroughness of documentation. > > I have been in the computer biz since 1962 and have > been paid to program in C, BASIC, and Forth, among > others. I have been notorious for reading manuals. > > Suggestions? > -LenZ- For a WindowManager: If you want a Windows-is feel KDE Otherwise: Gnome FluxBox etc. Graphical FTP Client: Kbear Gftp (My personal choice) SpeadSheet and Word Proc: OpenOffice K-Office (KDE & Gnome) Abu-Word for word proc. Email: KMail Thunderbird (Personal choice) Evolution (For that Outlook feel etc.) Web Browsing: Firefox (My personal choice) Konqueror (KDE) Mozilla Netscape Opera (a fine browser - would be my 2nd choice) There are others - check /usr/ports -- Best regards, Chris Simple jobs always get put off because there will be time to do them later. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 19:13:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DA816A4D1 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:13:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from viefep18-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A4A43D4C for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:13:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gabor.kovesdan@t-hosting.hu) Received: from [80.99.33.169] by viefep18-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20050213191354.OPIN23481.viefep18-int.chello.at@[80.99.33.169]> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:13:54 +0100 Message-ID: <420FA6F5.1020609@t-hosting.hu> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:13:57 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6vesd=E1n_G=E1bor?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Crontab script X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:13:57 -0000 Hi, I've seen somewhere an easy way to check whether a program with a specified pid is running or not. I've made a crontab script to check my programs based on this. The script is the following: #!/bin/sh PID_FILE="/usr/local/bopm/var/bopm.pid" PID=`cat $PID_FILE` EXECUTABLE="/usr/local/bopm/bin/bopm" if test -r $PID_FILE ; then # pidfile exist, is it correct? if `kill -CHLD $PID >/dev/null 2>$1` ; then # ok, exit silently exit 0 fi rm -f $PID_FILE fi echo "" echo "Couldn't find the IRC proxy scanner running, retsarting.." echo "" $EXECUTABLE But unfortunately it starts a new instance of the program even if it is running. Somebody suggested that I should remove the `` chars from the line that conatins the kill -CHLD command, because `` are to check the output, but in this case we are interested in the return value not the output. The result was the same. Could You help me please to fix this script? Or if You know an other way for this job, please tell me. Cheers, Gábor From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 19:36:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73B716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:36:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dave.horsfall.org (mrdavi2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.75.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B561D43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:36:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by dave.horsfall.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j1DJabd20233 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:36:37 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:36:37 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213153904.B94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> Message-ID: References: <20050211034704.17082.qmail@mail.datahive.ca> <20050213153904.B94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:36:41 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: > > This is what's known as a "joe job". Now, who has an interest in > > discrediting php-fusion? > > eh? > Could you perhaps...ermmm...expand on that just a tad? > for the benefit of us uninitiated folks... > inquiring minds etc. A "joe job" is a forgery designed to implicate an innocent site (or person), to get them shut down, etc, The original was in the name of "joe@joe dot com" (or similar) by an annoyed client, hence the name. It's characterised by being so over the top that it can't possibly be true, usually urging recipients to spam other people (as this one does), and invariably supplying personal details of the alleged sender. If your initial reaction is "What? That can't be true!" then you're probably right, but all the same it manages to enrage enough people to make life uncomfortable for the victim. Just another dirty spammer trick... -- Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 19:51:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0074F16A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:51:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8655743D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:51:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon.drews@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1713049wri for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:51:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TlMMnkhE15GQnY0R+ta8u5SZKFE2g3g0LJ6f/OCOdMDu+DxkOVaBCdPgI9witK7DTxPpzt5uMBODK17azHiF8RYFGkatkdKkFo4kasjmbP0Sobi4yh5cxC2TSCnsA+8KBb1GA9CrJF0vnLDaL8D10vJoq2GdvY+PGzlsBAqLKL0= Received: by 10.54.28.21 with SMTP id b21mr286811wrb; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.54.8 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:51:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8cb27cbf050213115185b516b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:51:15 -0700 From: Jon Drews To: David Kelly In-Reply-To: <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <9162ea4ff171ffc111003a204c81ef7d@HiWAAY.net> cc: FreeBSD_Questions FreeBSD_Questions Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon Drews List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:51:20 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:10:58 -0600, David Kelly wrote: > Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly > ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to > one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of > "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still > can't think outside of that box. I gotta agree with that. The several LUG's I have attended, have left me with that impression. > Look closely at the BSD community and you'll find those who are working > at creating a better tool to serve their needs. Yup, they want an Open Source UNIX not a free version of Windows. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 19:54:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8E416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:54:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D15E343D39 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:54:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO officeeagle) (pschmehl@sbcglobal.net@66.140.63.203 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 19:54:23 -0000 Message-ID: <042c01c51205$d0429c90$7702a8c0@officeeagle> From: "Paul Schmehl" To: =?iso-8859-1?B?S/Z2ZXNk4W4gR+Fib3I=?= , References: <420FA6F5.1020609@t-hosting.hu> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:54:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Subject: Re: Crontab script X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:54:24 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kövesdán Gábor" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Crontab script > Hi, > > I've seen somewhere an easy way to check whether a program with a > specified pid is running or not. I've made a crontab script to check my > programs based on this. The script is the following: > > #!/bin/sh > PID_FILE="/usr/local/bopm/var/bopm.pid" > PID=`cat $PID_FILE` > EXECUTABLE="/usr/local/bopm/bin/bopm" > Check for a pid file is not a good way to see if a program is running. *Sometimes* they will be running even though there is no pid file (even though there's supposed to be one.) This would be bettter: either ps -auxw | grep {program name} | awk {'print $2'} or pgrep {program name} (pgrep is available on the web) If you chose the former, you may have to put in a second grep to eliminate "finding" your own command. Something like this: ps -auxw | grep {program name} | grep {commandline switch of the program} | awk {'print $2'} You will want to test this on the commandline first to make sure you're getting the right process. Putting this all together then, with a specific example that I know about: #!/bin/sh APACHE=/usr/local/sbin/apachectl PID=`ps -auxw | grep httpd | grep "\-DSSL" | grep root | awk {'print $2'}` DATE=`date +"%m-%d-%H:%M:%S" LOG=`tail /var/log/httpd-error.log` if [ ! -z $PID ]; then $APACHE start echo "Restarted apache at $DATE" echo $LOG fi This will check to see if it's running, and if it's not, start it and send you the date/time it was started and the last 10 lines of the error log. Since you're running it in cron, you'll get email with the output. If you wanted, you could redirect stderr to a log to see if there were any problems. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:00:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA4516A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:00:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from viefep17-int.chello.at (viefep17-int.chello.at [213.46.255.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC3F43D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:00:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gabor.kovesdan@t-hosting.hu) Received: from [80.99.33.169] by viefep17-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.6.01.03.05 201-2131-111-107-20040910) with ESMTP id <20050213200034.SHHO13802.viefep17-int.chello.at@[80.99.33.169]>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:00:34 +0100 Message-ID: <420FB1E5.7020300@t-hosting.hu> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:00:37 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6vesd=E1n_G=E1bor?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <420FA6F5.1020609@t-hosting.hu> <042c01c51205$d0429c90$7702a8c0@officeeagle> In-Reply-To: <042c01c51205$d0429c90$7702a8c0@officeeagle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Crontab script X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:00:37 -0000 Hello, thanks a lot, it is a more advanced idea, I'll consider using it, but since then I've realized what caused my problem. I mistyped a line, and I should have written 2>&1 instead of 2>$1. I haven't been very advanced in shell scripting yet. :) Cheers, Gábor Paul Schmehl wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kövesdán Gábor" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:13 PM > Subject: Crontab script > > >> Hi, >> >> I've seen somewhere an easy way to check whether a program with a >> specified pid is running or not. I've made a crontab script to check >> my programs based on this. The script is the following: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> PID_FILE="/usr/local/bopm/var/bopm.pid" >> PID=`cat $PID_FILE` >> EXECUTABLE="/usr/local/bopm/bin/bopm" >> > Check for a pid file is not a good way to see if a program is running. > *Sometimes* they will be running even though there is no pid file > (even though there's supposed to be one.) > > This would be bettter: > > either ps -auxw | grep {program name} | awk {'print $2'} > or pgrep {program name} (pgrep is available on the web) > > If you chose the former, you may have to put in a second grep to > eliminate "finding" your own command. Something like this: > ps -auxw | grep {program name} | grep {commandline switch of the > program} | awk {'print $2'} > > You will want to test this on the commandline first to make sure > you're getting the right process. > > Putting this all together then, with a specific example that I know > about: > > #!/bin/sh > > APACHE=/usr/local/sbin/apachectl > PID=`ps -auxw | grep httpd | grep "\-DSSL" | grep root | awk {'print > $2'}` > DATE=`date +"%m-%d-%H:%M:%S" > LOG=`tail /var/log/httpd-error.log` > > if [ ! -z $PID ]; then > $APACHE start > echo "Restarted apache at $DATE" > echo $LOG > fi > > This will check to see if it's running, and if it's not, start it and > send you the date/time it was started and the last 10 lines of the > error log. Since you're running it in cron, you'll get email with the > output. If you wanted, you could redirect stderr to a log to see if > there were any problems. > > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) > Adjunct Information Security Officer > The University of Texas at Dallas > AVIEN Founding Member > http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:00:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0861116A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:00:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from t-x.dignus.nl (t-x.dignus.nl [83.219.88.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333B943D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:00:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.dignus.nl [127.0.0.1]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id D3ABC28423; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:01:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (cjr-home [62.251.72.148]) by t-x.dignus.nl (Safehouse) with ESMTP id EEBA428421; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:01:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (localhost.kozy-kabin.nl [127.0.0.1]) by kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC028639B; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:00:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (colin@localhost)j1DK0WUI099798; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:00:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from colin@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:00:27 +0100 From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Dave Horsfall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050213205245.J94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> References: <20050211034704.17082.qmail@mail.datahive.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by RemSPAMd at ph230.plushosting.nl cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:00:45 -0000 On Feb 14 at 06:36, Dave Horsfall explained: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: > >>> This is what's known as a "joe job". Now, who has an interest in >>> discrediting php-fusion? >> >> eh? >> Could you perhaps...ermmm...expand on that just a tad? >> for the benefit of us uninitiated folks... >> inquiring minds etc. > > A "joe job" is a forgery designed to implicate an innocent site (or > person), to get them shut down, etc, The original was in the name > of "joe@joe dot com" (or similar) by an annoyed client, hence the name. > > It's characterised by being so over the top that it can't possibly > be true, usually urging recipients to spam other people (as this one > does), and invariably supplying personal details of the alleged sender. > > If your initial reaction is "What? That can't be true!" then you're > probably right, but all the same it manages to enrage enough people > to make life uncomfortable for the victim. > > Just another dirty spammer trick... The timing on this was nothing less than eerie because less than an hour before that post came over, I'd been sitting on their site reading up on FAQ's, forum problem posts etc with a view to installing the 'app. On their homepage *was* a notice that they had just come back online after having changed provider. As you so presciently said, upon reading the post, my reaction *was* indeed; "w0000t? eh?". However, the guys that wrote the app seem like eminently reasonable sober sensible people, this just didn't sound like their style. Thanks for the explanation! Regards, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE - http://www.FreeBSD.org - There can be only ONE. Sun Feb 13 20:59:00 CET 2005 8:59PM up 2 days, 2:14, 9 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:14:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D7C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:14:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53904.mail.yahoo.com (web53904.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E57243D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:14:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37369 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 20:14:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bwAa1ZzHMv66M22IV17iierCk8Eox8+4IHn0Yx89wjyi7jkZaFThwv7uQWG4FLMMOWug2PoqiHycUTjdcEku9DKBzAb/jiwqC3/rY0TxDCvicxDsq6ZYxG1EWu1nbIxLlxt+FhxdjiBSHMo6nHJr9QxtbN1hHtKM6HNRFHwywNo= ; Message-ID: <20050213201438.37367.qmail@web53904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.210.12.160] by web53904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:14:38 PST Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:14:38 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: infofarmer@mail.ru MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Concealing short disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:14:39 -0000 it was said: >Hello guys! > >I have a few machines behind my FreeBSD box. The box connects >to ISP via ppp (PPPoE protocol). It's all working very nicely, >but the ISP is a pain - it disconnects every 24 hours. I can >reconnect in just a moment - so the diconnect is usually less >than a second long, but many applications, like ICQ/MSN and >games "feel" the disconnect. The matter is that these applications >can handle fairly large packet loss (e.g. Counter-Strike can cope >with at least 15-second long 100% packet loss), but AFAIK it's >in the nature of the TCP/UDP that a disconnect is a disconnect. > >As I know that FreeBSD is full of magic, is there any way to >conceal these reconnects as short moments of 100% packet loss? >I am ashamed to know very little about protocols' technicalities, >but I'll look into any sources you advise. > >Best wishes, >Andrew P. Hello, This is an interesting question. It could be done, but it would take some real work to do it, I think. Essentially, you would need a box that acts as a cache hold a few seconds of network traffic that would also properly respond properly to local and remote requests. Also, to ensure that multiple outages don't empty the cache, a mechanism is needed to answer local requests slightly slower than remote requests. This would cause the "cache" to be ever increasing. To prevent the "cache" from causing too much lag (from the remote end's point of view) periodically the mechanism would have to reverse direction, so to speak. And so on.... Of course, I could be totally wrong about this. Hopefully, somebody will correct me if I am. Regards, stheg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:22:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648A216A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:22:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45E043D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:22:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 832761C0009E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:22:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4BC071C0009F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:22:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213202204310.4BC071C0009F@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:22:04 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1479247773.20050213212204@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2d7d2dd205021309194bc2264c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <200502120122.33589.reso3w83@verizon.net> <823306184.20050212113045@wanadoo.fr> <2d7d2dd205021304292830a223@mail.gmail.com> <1351774619.20050213135929@wanadoo.fr> <2d7d2dd205021309194bc2264c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:22:06 -0000 Simon Burke writes: > I use photshop on IRIX i mean, and you can use gimp too, is what i meant. According to Adobe, Photoshop exists only for the Mac and Windows. Of course, Mac OS X is based on UNIX, but since it has a proprietary GUI, I don't think that would help much (?). GIMP is not an option, because it's a different application. > You can get photoshop for unix, mainly IRIX but you can. I have the Adobe site in front of me right now, and all I see is Mac and Windows. > If this is your attitude why are you even using BSD, why not use MS > server and XP? I do use XP, on my desktop. I use FreeBSD as my server. The right tools for the right jobs. > There is quite probably a open sourced eqiv. SFS is already free. I don't know if source is available. In any case, I don't have the time to build my own software. > WINE is not an emulator ... I'm afraid it is. It has to intercept and emulate the Windows API (which is a very extensive and complex API). In any case, it's all completely unnecessary, since you can simply run real Windows instead and get 100% compatibility with better performance and stability. > Why? Because I run specific applications for specific purposes. The applications are what's important; the OS is not. So if I decide that I need Photoshop, I run an OS that supports Photoshop. Simple. > ... you now seem to be contradicting your self, why dont you just use > windows then? I do, on the desktop. I use FreeBSD as a server. > you'll obviously be much happier I am. People who make a religion out of an OS are always unhappy; I don't do that, so I don't suffer. > I would really get your facts straight before you say things, it makes > you look ignorant. People use operating systems that suit there needs, > not to be geeky, not to look down on other people. Someone who runs WINE on UNIX just to avoided the Great Satan of Redmond is not using an operating system that suits his needs, he's using an operating system that appeals to his emotions. It's true that most people don't do this, because most people have a life outside of computerland. > Windows is fine if all you want to do is point and click at things. There are hundreds of thousands of applications that run on Windows; something for just about everyone. The point-and-click interface is common to practically all GUIs. It is suitable for some applications, but not suitable for others. > EG, dreamweaver, its a very point click piece fo software, you dont > have to know any web language to get a fairly decent web-site out, and > that is not really a good thing. Professional webmasters generally build their sites with text editors. > Where as if you have more knowledge then you would prefer to be able > to have more control and input to the final prdouct where with most M$ > apps you dont. If you want control and input, you use Notepad to build your site, or the equivalent. > If you are implying that it is useless using open operating systems > (which it appears you are) then why are you on the mailing list. I'm not implying anything of the kind. I've pointed out on endless occasions that FreeBSD makes an excellent server. That's why I run it. > Excuse me? are you saying the system developers just play around with > OS'es. Yes ... that's what "system developer" usually means. As opposed to "application developer." > I dont think i'd get paid £30,000 a year to play around ... Most system developers wouldn't; the job usually pays better than that. > ... I create systems for a sucsessful solutions company and are used > in a lot fo smaller companies who cant afford the extortionate prices > of M$. S please stop being so ignorant. So you're an application developer. Quite a different animal. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:24:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E06816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:24:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98BF43D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:24:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DA3BF1C0009A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:23:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BBC8A1C00086 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:23:59 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213202359769.BBC8A1C00086@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:23:59 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <34563782.20050213212359@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <420F92D3.6070806@wanadoo.es> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <420E26FD.7090005@wanadoo.es> <686780095.20050212213024@wanadoo.fr> <420F3BAE.40900@wanadoo.es> <1443444322.20050213140738@wanadoo.fr> <420F92D3.6070806@wanadoo.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:24:01 -0000 Ramiro Aceves writes: > Yes, they do what Windows teached them, pointing and clicking "accept" > without reading what the computer says. Windows does not teach anyone to do that. Windows creates the same habits in users that any GUI does. > You dont skip the GUI for your windows the same as I do not skip it on > my Linux or FreeBSD. My desktop Windows system is not a mission-critical server. > Anthony, I think that we have very different points of view, and we are > never going to agree in this subject. Probably. For most geeks, it's a religious discussion. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:25:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A68716A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:25:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B856543D78 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:25:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 104F51C000AD for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:25:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E9A3E1C00092 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:25:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213202528957.E9A3E1C00092@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:25:28 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <382521231.20050213212528@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213121847.0ac4fa12@vixen42.local.lan> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <20050213121847.0ac4fa12@vixen42.local.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:25:45 -0000 Vulpes Velox writes: > I think the problem there is ppl make largely pointless differences > between the two... the only difference between a server and desktop, > is a desktop needs support sound cards and a the kernel level stuff > for GL. There are dramatic differences between servers and desktops, and they should not be confused. Anything that runs well as a desktop will make a mediocre or poor server, and vice versa. This is inevitable because of the very different requirements of each type of computer. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:34:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C7A16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C701043D39; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:34:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nate@root.org) Received: from [10.0.0.115] (adsl-64-171-186-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.171.186.189])j1DKYHvE031959; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:34:18 -0500 Message-ID: <420FB9C9.8010106@root.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:34:17 -0800 From: Nate Lawson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (X11/20041205) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ewald Jenisch References: <20041122160803.GA16224@athena.oekb.co.at> In-Reply-To: <20041122160803.GA16224@athena.oekb.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-acpi@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Machine refuses to boot with ACPI enabled by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:34:20 -0000 Ewald Jenisch wrote: > I've got a strange problem wrt. ACPI on one of my boxes under FreeBSD > 5.3: The box comes up with ACPI *disabled* by default. > > Only by manually selecting the menu option that says "Boot with ACPI > enabled" can I make the box run ACPI which is kinda annoying when > e.g. I remotely reboot the box - after the reboot it comes up without > ACPI and as a consequence SMP turned off. > > To cross check that it's not a config issue I've "diffed" the files in > /boot between the machine in question and another one that runs with > ACPI enabled by default - absolutely no differences. One box > (different hardware) runs with ACPI, this one runs with ACPI disabled > by default. Sorry about the long reply time. > So my questions are: > > 1) How can I make this box boot with ACPI enabled by default? In your /boot/loader.conf, set: hint.acpi.0.disabled="0" > 2) Why does this box come up without ACPI by default after all? I checked the quirks table and found nothing that should match your machine. Can you send a full dmesg of booting when acpi is automatically disabled? There's usually a quirk message printed if this is the case. -- Nate From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:44:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBAE16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:44:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF7D43D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:44:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B44FD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:43:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420FBC0B.9030805@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:43:55 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> <420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> <020801c511f5$e4f55430$7702a8c0@officeeagle> In-Reply-To: <020801c511f5$e4f55430$7702a8c0@officeeagle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Grant Peel cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:44:02 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: >> Till then, you'll have to look in the Makefile, there are typically a >> lot of WITH_ or WITHOUT_ options. When posible, I recommend installing >> with default options and configure those options manually, otherwise, >> remember to save your custom options somewhere. It makes upgrade easier. >> > I can't believe you said this and got away with it. You can save your > make options in /etc/make.conf and never have to mess with them again, > unless you decide to change your install for some reason. See the > following posts, for example... Sorry did I get away with it? all those posts are before I subscribed - sorry again, should I check the archive before answering? Taking an arbitrary post, it appears that make.conf is not always the best place since this sets options globally. But thanks, I have now learned how to get my ports compiled with support for a4 paper and _not_ letter :-) Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:45:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E292916A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:45:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53906.mail.yahoo.com (web53906.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.36.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BDD443D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:45:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70156 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 20:45:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=TbwOGNAf4dn/a3VkG7OOq+EsMcGCB5I+D9ONtsIzZPvKeMGzTL0dePLfn3xW+8YQ81ifLYEAWLD4O704gX8R+bC/QA4ciF348oqTn8v3WgfQr+gu5hYcuGtepJ2zqEsHMOb6MN1p9qlB5JIH7lAgVPGc5x7XK6+k5ZqlM9DIcXI= ; Message-ID: <20050213204503.70154.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.210.12.160] by web53906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:45:02 PST Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:45:02 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: insanetoucan@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Belkin wireless card issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:45:05 -0000 it was said: >However, my other card, a PCI Belkin Wireless F5D7000 is not being >recognized. This is a problem because the integrated NIC has no >connection, I'm on a wireless network. Any clue on how to make FreeBSD >pickup this interface correctly? Right now it's showing it as "unknown >network device" Hello, That card uses a Broadcom chipset. FBSD has several drivers for Broadcom chips. If none of those work, you could try a Windows driver via Project Evil. HTH, stheg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:52:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C77116A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:52:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vs3.bgnett.no (vs3.bgnett.no [194.54.96.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9115143D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:52:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@bgnett.no) Received: from amidala.datadok.no.bgnett.no ([194.54.107.19]) by vs3.bgnett.no (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1DKqC5n090245 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:52:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from peter@bgnett.no) Sender: peter@amidala.datadok.no To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1862258580.20050213170219@wanadoo.fr> From: peter@bgnett.no (Peter N. M. Hansteen) Date: 13 Feb 2005 21:51:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1862258580.20050213170219@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <86psz4gp4m.fsf@amidala.datadok.no> Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-bgnett.no-virusscanner: Found to be clean X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:52:43 -0000 Anthony Atkielski writes: > Why are people asserting their own copyrights in the code? Because they wrote the software in question, perhaps? -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ "First, we kill all the spammers" The Usenet Bard, "Twice-forwarded tales" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 20:55:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D884216A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:55:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E5F43D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:55:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C01E65132C; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:55:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:55:21 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213205521.GA24951@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <935ac772af1fb1a26ca63f894ddd9ea8@submonkey.net> <1862258580.20050213170219@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1862258580.20050213170219@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:55:23 -0000 --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:02:19PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ceri Davies writes: >=20 > > Really? Grepped for Copyright in /usr/src recently? >=20 > Wow! What a mess! How much would it cost to have a team of lawyers > verify that all those copyrights are cleared? Why are people asserting > their own copyrights in the code? Uh, because they're the author, of course. Kris --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCD765Wry0BWjoQKURAhWgAJ9/lbBy7SUIMLx5fDk0613t2M+pxwCfS0TJ kOTyaf9lwySQk3V7O29WtF0= =Z3Mm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 21:10:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B826416A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:10:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (brightstar.bomgardner.net [209.240.79.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE7B43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:10:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listmail@Bomgardner.net) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (morningstar [192.168.0.2]) by brightstar.bomgardner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D15B21D865 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:10:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <420FC246.10200@Bomgardner.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:10:30 -0600 From: Gene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: HELP!! sshd permitting password free logins X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:10:41 -0000 I'm running version 5.3 of freebsd. I'm not sure what I did - I was experimenting in sshd_config. sshd began to permit logins without benefit of password. When logging in (I'm using putty from a local windows machine) I enter the user name. I'm presented with the challenge and the password prompt. If hit enter I get the second password prompt with echo on. If I enter anything else to the first password prompt, or anything (or just the enter key) to the second prompt, I find myself logged on. The allow groups directive in the config file works, only members of grp1 get logged on, but without passwords. This was working correctly before I started fooling around - any ideas? Cinfig file follows: ------------------------ # $OpenBSD: sshd_config,v 1.59 2002/09/25 11:17:16 markus Exp $ # $FreeBSD: src/crypto/openssh/sshd_config,v 1.33 2003/09/24 19:20:23 des Exp $ # This is the sshd server system-wide configuration file. See # sshd_config(5) for more information. # This sshd was compiled with PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin # The strategy used for options in the default sshd_config shipped with # OpenSSH is to specify options with their default value where # possible, but leave them commented. Uncommented options change a # default value. # Note that some of FreeBSD's defaults differ from OpenBSD's, and # FreeBSD has a few additional options. #VersionAddendum FreeBSD-20030924 #Port 22 #Protocol 2,1 #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 #ListenAddress :: # HostKey for protocol version 1 #HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key # HostKeys for protocol version 2 #HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key # Lifetime and size of ephemeral version 1 server key #KeyRegenerationInterval 3600 #ServerKeyBits 768 # Logging #obsoletes QuietMode and FascistLogging #SyslogFacility AUTH #LogLevel INFO # Authentication: LoginGraceTime 120 PermitRootLogin no #StrictModes yes #RSAAuthentication yes PubkeyAuthentication no AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys AllowGroups grp1 # rhosts authentication should not be used #RhostsAuthentication no # Don't read the user's ~/.rhosts and ~/.shosts files #IgnoreRhosts yes # For this to work you will also need host keys in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts #RhostsRSAAuthentication no # similar for protocol version 2 #HostbasedAuthentication no # Change to yes if you don't trust ~/.ssh/known_hosts for # RhostsRSAAuthentication and HostbasedAuthentication #IgnoreUserKnownHosts no # To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here! PasswordAuthentication no PermitEmptyPasswords no # Change to no to disable PAM authentication ChallengeResponseAuthentication yes # Kerberos options #KerberosAuthentication no #KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes #KerberosTicketCleanup yes #AFSTokenPassing no # Kerberos TGT Passing only works with the AFS kaserver #KerberosTgtPassing no #X11Forwarding yes #X11DisplayOffset 10 #X11UseLocalhost yes #PrintMotd yes #PrintLastLog yes KeepAlive yes #UseLogin no #UsePrivilegeSeparation yes #PermitUserEnvironment no #Compression yes #MaxStartups 10 # no default banner path #Banner /some/path #VerifyReverseMapping no # override default of no subsystems Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/sftp-server From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 21:13:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DA716A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:13:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1B643D2D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:13:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C359FC0C5; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:14:10 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:14:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <1453180591.20050213095312@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1453180591.20050213095312@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131614.09991.ean@hedron.org> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:13:55 -0000 On February 13, 2005 03:53 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > > You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- this > > works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel configurations > > changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is > > then link software against the X libraries and then redirect the > > display to your workstations X server. This meets your criteria and > > can be handy for certain things. Your apps still run in userland only > > and there is no HW touching stuff. You are not running the X Server on > > your FBSD Server machine. > > I'll consider it, although it still sounds complicated. > > What do I gain from X that I don't already have with remote terminal > sessions like those created with SecureCRT? I know it looks pretty, but > what server-related things can I do with X that I cannot do with > ordinary terminals? I'm not aware of anything right now; it seems that > everything can be done from a command line (thank goodness--working with > Windows is a nightmare precisely _because_ so many things cannot be done > from a command line). I run an XLoad app on every server with the display on my desktop (set to update once a minute. It lets me keep an eye on the general health of the servers during the day. Asside from that I haven't found a truely useful GUI app for servers. -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 21:16:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C0016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:16:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A2F43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:16:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 02E941C0016E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:16:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DEF7B1C00162 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:16:10 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213211610913.DEF7B1C00162@mwinf0907.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:16:10 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1408311710.20050213221610@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <86psz4gp4m.fsf@amidala.datadok.no> References: <1862258580.20050213170219@wanadoo.fr> <86psz4gp4m.fsf@amidala.datadok.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:16:12 -0000 Peter N. M. Hansteen writes: > Because they wrote the software in question, perhaps? So? If it's truly open source, the copyrights should be assigned. All it takes is one copyright holder who withdraws a license and an entire package can become unusable. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 21:28:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CD316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:28:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C01D43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:28:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO officeeagle) (pschmehl@sbcglobal.net@66.140.63.203 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 21:28:53 -0000 Message-ID: <04c301c51213$03845550$7702a8c0@officeeagle> From: "Paul Schmehl" To: "Erik Norgaard" References: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT><420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> <020801c511f5$e4f55430$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <420FBC0B.9030805@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:27:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 cc: Grant Peel cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:28:53 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Norgaard" To: "Paul Schmehl" Cc: "Grant Peel" ; Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Ports > > Taking an arbitrary post, it appears that make.conf is not always the > best place since this sets options globally. But thanks, I have now > learned how to get my ports compiled with support for a4 paper and _not_ > letter :-) > While that is true, you can also set options for individual ports. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 21:32:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FADA16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:32:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DC343D1D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:32:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB45C102; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:32:24 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:32:23 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200502131318.32282.zettel@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <200502131318.32282.zettel@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131632.23692.ean@hedron.org> cc: Len Zettel cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:32:08 -0000 On February 13, 2005 08:18 am, Len Zettel wrote: > I am looking for a desktop environment to run > with freebsd. I will be the sole user. > > Must-have: > graphical ftp client > spreadsheet package capable of handling .xls files > word processor capable of handling .doc files > ability to handle email > web browser. KDE has all that you want in the full install and is pretty easy to install. I haven't tried it in a long time but I believe that Gnome would also satisfy your needs. As another poster suggested, you may want to add OpenOffice to handle the .xls and .doc files. It is a bit better at handling them than KOffice (which comes with KDE). You may also want to consider installing Firefox or the generic Mozilla browser. Konqueror (the browser supplied with KDE) is a little bit different than the Mozilla group and sometimes a website will not render well in Konqueror but does in Mozilla/Firefox (sometimes it is the other way around too). > > Given the above, the winner will be the one whose > ins and outs are the easiest to master thoroughly - likely a > tradeoff between simplicity of design and implementation > and thoroughness of documentation. > > I have been in the computer biz since 1962 and have > been paid to program in C, BASIC, and Forth, among > others. I have been notorious for reading manuals. > > Suggestions? > -LenZ- > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 21:32:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FADA16A4CE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:32:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DC343D1D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:32:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB45C102; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:32:24 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:32:23 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200502131318.32282.zettel@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <200502131318.32282.zettel@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131632.23692.ean@hedron.org> cc: Len Zettel cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:32:08 -0000 On February 13, 2005 08:18 am, Len Zettel wrote: > I am looking for a desktop environment to run > with freebsd. I will be the sole user. > > Must-have: > graphical ftp client > spreadsheet package capable of handling .xls files > word processor capable of handling .doc files > ability to handle email > web browser. KDE has all that you want in the full install and is pretty easy to install. I haven't tried it in a long time but I believe that Gnome would also satisfy your needs. As another poster suggested, you may want to add OpenOffice to handle the .xls and .doc files. It is a bit better at handling them than KOffice (which comes with KDE). You may also want to consider installing Firefox or the generic Mozilla browser. Konqueror (the browser supplied with KDE) is a little bit different than the Mozilla group and sometimes a website will not render well in Konqueror but does in Mozilla/Firefox (sometimes it is the other way around too). > > Given the above, the winner will be the one whose > ins and outs are the easiest to master thoroughly - likely a > tradeoff between simplicity of design and implementation > and thoroughness of documentation. > > I have been in the computer biz since 1962 and have > been paid to program in C, BASIC, and Forth, among > others. I have been notorious for reading manuals. > > Suggestions? > -LenZ- > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 21:38:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908F016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:38:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BCC443D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:38:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO officeeagle) (pschmehl@sbcglobal.net@66.140.63.203 with login) by smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 21:38:03 -0000 Message-ID: <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> From: "Paul Schmehl" To: References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <44is5imspz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:37:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Subject: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:38:04 -0000 I maintain a small hobby website on a volunteer basis. (I do all the technical stuff - server maintenance, etc.) I ran portupgrade today, and there was an update to perl. (I'm using the ports perl.) It broke the webserver. I had to deinstall and reinstall www/p5-libwww, www/mod_perl and www/apache13-modssl to get it working again. When I first tried to install p5-libwww and mod_perl, both of them failed because they couldn't find perl-5.8.5. I ran use.perl port and then they both built fine and installed. Running pkg_info -R perl-5.8.6_2 seems to indicate that everything else had its dependencies updated. Is there something missing in those two ports? The rest seemed to get their dependencies updated just fine during the build of perl. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 21:39:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EEE16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:39:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DFF43D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:39:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88264C102; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:39:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:39:49 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <420FC246.10200@Bomgardner.net> In-Reply-To: <420FC246.10200@Bomgardner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131639.50072.ean@hedron.org> cc: Gene cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Re: HELP!! sshd permitting password free logins X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:39:34 -0000 On February 13, 2005 04:10 pm, Gene wrote: > I'm running version 5.3 of freebsd. > I'm not sure what I did - I was experimenting in sshd_config. sshd began > to permit logins without benefit of password. > > When logging in (I'm using putty from a local windows machine) I enter > the user name. I'm presented with the challenge and the password prompt. > If hit enter I get the second password prompt with echo on. If I enter > anything else to the first password prompt, or anything (or just the > enter key) to the second prompt, I find myself logged on. I'm not sure what you mean by a second password prompt. I've never seen SSH provide 2 password prompts. > The allow groups directive in the config file works, only members of > grp1 get logged on, but without passwords. This was working correctly > before I started fooling around - > > any ideas? Check to make sure the user you are logging in as has a password. Also, check to make sure your ssh client is not sending an RSA key for authentication. I think that one is enabled by default. If you want to force passwords, make sure you aren't using RSA keys. > > Cinfig file follows: > ------------------------ > # $OpenBSD: sshd_config,v 1.59 2002/09/25 11:17:16 markus Exp $ > # $FreeBSD: src/crypto/openssh/sshd_config,v 1.33 2003/09/24 19:20:23 > des Exp $ > > # This is the sshd server system-wide configuration file. See > # sshd_config(5) for more information. > > # This sshd was compiled with PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin > > # The strategy used for options in the default sshd_config shipped with > # OpenSSH is to specify options with their default value where > # possible, but leave them commented. Uncommented options change a > # default value. > > # Note that some of FreeBSD's defaults differ from OpenBSD's, and > # FreeBSD has a few additional options. > > #VersionAddendum FreeBSD-20030924 > > #Port 22 > #Protocol 2,1 > #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 > #ListenAddress :: > > # HostKey for protocol version 1 > #HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key > # HostKeys for protocol version 2 > #HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key > > # Lifetime and size of ephemeral version 1 server key > #KeyRegenerationInterval 3600 > #ServerKeyBits 768 > > # Logging > #obsoletes QuietMode and FascistLogging > #SyslogFacility AUTH > #LogLevel INFO > > # Authentication: > > LoginGraceTime 120 > PermitRootLogin no > #StrictModes yes > > #RSAAuthentication yes > PubkeyAuthentication no > AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys > > AllowGroups grp1 > > # rhosts authentication should not be used > #RhostsAuthentication no > # Don't read the user's ~/.rhosts and ~/.shosts files > #IgnoreRhosts yes > # For this to work you will also need host keys in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts > #RhostsRSAAuthentication no > # similar for protocol version 2 > #HostbasedAuthentication no > # Change to yes if you don't trust ~/.ssh/known_hosts for > # RhostsRSAAuthentication and HostbasedAuthentication > #IgnoreUserKnownHosts no > > # To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here! > PasswordAuthentication no > PermitEmptyPasswords no > > # Change to no to disable PAM authentication > ChallengeResponseAuthentication yes > > # Kerberos options > #KerberosAuthentication no > #KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes > #KerberosTicketCleanup yes > > #AFSTokenPassing no > > # Kerberos TGT Passing only works with the AFS kaserver > #KerberosTgtPassing no > > #X11Forwarding yes > #X11DisplayOffset 10 > #X11UseLocalhost yes > #PrintMotd yes > #PrintLastLog yes > KeepAlive yes > #UseLogin no > #UsePrivilegeSeparation yes > #PermitUserEnvironment no > #Compression yes > > #MaxStartups 10 > # no default banner path > #Banner /some/path > #VerifyReverseMapping no > > # override default of no subsystems > Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/sftp-server > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 21:42:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466EF16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:42:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2D443D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:42:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from localhost.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE65FC102; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:42:59 -0500 (EST) From: Ean Kingston To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:42:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <44is5imspz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> In-Reply-To: <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131642.59595.ean@hedron.org> cc: Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:42:43 -0000 On February 13, 2005 04:37 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: > I maintain a small hobby website on a volunteer basis. (I do all the > technical stuff - server maintenance, etc.) I ran portupgrade today, and > there was an update to perl. (I'm using the ports perl.) It broke the > webserver. I had to deinstall and reinstall www/p5-libwww, www/mod_perl > and www/apache13-modssl to get it working again. > > When I first tried to install p5-libwww and mod_perl, both of them failed > because they couldn't find perl-5.8.5. I ran use.perl port and then they > both built fine and installed. > > Running pkg_info -R perl-5.8.6_2 seems to indicate that everything else had > its dependencies updated. Is there something missing in those two ports? > The rest seemed to get their dependencies updated just fine during the > build of perl. I stopped using portupgrade because it only upgrades ports that are out-of date. It then modifies the installed software database to change any dependencies that relied on the old port to show them as relying on the new port. For most ports, this works. For Perl, particularly mod_perl, this doesn't work. If you install a new perl you have to rebuild everything that depends on perl even if it hasn't been updated. So I stopped using portupgrade. > > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) > Adjunct Information Security Officer > The University of Texas at Dallas > AVIEN Founding Member > http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 21:45:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA41016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:45:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hulk.superhero.nl (superhero.nl [213.84.142.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFCA43D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:45:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gelsema@superhero.nl) Received: (qmail 10987 invoked by uid 80); 13 Feb 2005 21:45:28 -0000 Received: from pc323522396190 ([10.202.77.100]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user gelsemap); by webmail.superhero.nl with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:45:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4168.10.202.77.100.1108331128.squirrel@10.202.77.100> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:45:28 +0100 (CET) From: "Gelsema, Patrick" To: questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: ping -f differences in pinging windows 2003 and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:45:33 -0000 Hi, I've got the following kit running; FreeBsd 5.3Release-p5, 4.10-RELEASE-p2, Windows XP SP2, Syslinux and Windows 2003 SP1. They all are connected to a 3com 100mbit Hub. All machines 100Mbit HalfDuplex. When I execute the ping -f command from 5.3 to 4.10 I am getting a ~18% packetloss, the same when I execute the command from 4.10 to 5.3. However when I ping -f the Windows 2003 server, the Syslinux Firewall or Windows XP I am lucky if at least 10 packets are dropped. In both FreeBSD boxes Intel Nics are used (fxp). Why does the other OS-es seem to handle this better than FreeBSD? Is there something I could change to improve (if I should) the networkhandling? Or am I now only chasing ghosts? When I am running a ftp filetransfer between the 2 FreeBSD boxes I get speeds up until 7.25MB/s, which is a good throughput in my humble opinion. Thanks and regards, Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:00:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F08316A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:00:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF30B43D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:00:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E32CFD01F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:00:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420FCE00.7020607@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:00:32 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <44is5imspz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> In-Reply-To: <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:00:38 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > I maintain a small hobby website on a volunteer basis. (I do all the > technical stuff - server maintenance, etc.) I ran portupgrade today, > and there was an update to perl. (I'm using the ports perl.) It broke > the webserver. I had to deinstall and reinstall www/p5-libwww, > www/mod_perl and www/apache13-modssl to get it working again. > > When I first tried to install p5-libwww and mod_perl, both of them > failed because they couldn't find perl-5.8.5. I ran use.perl port and > then they both built fine and installed. /usr/bin/perl is a symbolic link refering to the version in use. When you upgraded perl the link became blind - it shouldn't but did. use.perl created the link again. > Running pkg_info -R perl-5.8.6_2 seems to indicate that everything else > had its dependencies updated. Is there something missing in those two > ports? The rest seemed to get their dependencies updated just fine > during the build of perl. Read /usr/ports/UPDATING, there is an entry on how to upgrade perl. In particular it notes that some upgrade of dependencies may fail and need be handled manually. Well, now you've done it, doesn't matter, but next time :-) Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:02:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05BF16A4D5 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:02:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3757C43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:02:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO officeeagle) (pschmehl@sbcglobal.net@66.140.63.203 with login) by smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 22:02:53 -0000 Message-ID: <04e901c51217$c3d5e590$7702a8c0@officeeagle> From: "Paul Schmehl" To: References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu><44is5imspz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <200502131642.59595.ean@hedron.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:02:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:02:56 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ean Kingston" To: Cc: "Paul Schmehl" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff > > I stopped using portupgrade because it only upgrades ports that are out-of > date. It then modifies the installed software database to change any > dependencies that relied on the old port to show them as relying on the > new > port. > > For most ports, this works. For Perl, particularly mod_perl, this doesn't > work. If you install a new perl you have to rebuild everything that > depends > on perl even if it hasn't been updated. > > So I stopped using portupgrade. > Wouldn't it make more sense to fix mod_perl? (Or portupgrade - whichever one is the culprit?) All the ports that depended upon perl appear to have had their dependencies updated properly except for libwww and mod_perl. ISTM, fixing those two ports makes more sense. If you don't use portupgrade, then what *do* you do? Wouldn't you have to deinstall and reinstall every port that depended upon perl? Or will pkgdb -F do the trick? Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:11:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B595C16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:11:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADAF43D41 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:11:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1D0Rxa-0001T0-VE; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:11:24 -0600 Message-ID: <420FD091.7060208@fusemail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:11:29 -0600 From: Brian John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> <42098485.2080404@fusemail.com> <20050209114135.GQ8619@alzatex.com> <420E2C55.1030601@fusemail.com> <20050212221718.GS8619@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050212221718.GS8619@alzatex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:11:33 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: >On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 10:18:29AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > >>Loren M. Lang wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 09:33:25PM -0600, Brian John wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Loren M. Lang wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Brian John wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Loren M. Lang wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 01:41:35AM -0600, Brian John wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>/Brian >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>>>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>>>>>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>It looks like it is already installed. This is what it says when I try >>>>>>to install it: >>>>>>=> Attempting to fetch from >>>>>>http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.updates/. >>>>>>gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm 100% of 222 kB 52 kBps >>>>>>===> Extracting for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>>>>>=> Checksum OK for rpm/gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm. >>>>>>===> Patching for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>>>>>===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on executable: rpm - >>>>>>found >>>>>>===> Configuring for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>>>>>===> Installing for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 >>>>>>===> linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 depends on file: >>>>>>/compat/linux/etc/redhat-release - found >>>>>>===> Generating temporary packing list >>>>>>===> Checking if graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf already installed >>>>>>gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5.i386.rpm >>>>>> >>>>>>Any other clue what might have caused this? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for the help >>>>>> >>>>>>/Brian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I already tried uninstalling realplayer and gdk-pixbuf using make >>>>deinstall and make reinstall in those ports. I installed realplayer >>>> >>>> >>>>from ports. How can I install linux-base-rh-9? I would like to try that. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Here's an idea, since linux_base is already installed, try: >>> >>>portupgrade -o emulators/linux_base-rh-9 /var/db/pkg/linux_base-* >>> >>>This tells portupgrade to upgrade the linux_base port, but use the >>>origin for the rh9 version. I'm not certain this will work, but it's >>>worth a try. I just did a pkg_create -b linux_base-* to make a backup, >>>then pkg_delete -f linux_base-* and portinstall emulators/linux_base-rh-9. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>thanks >>>> >>>>/Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>Well, I tried that and now I can't run realplayer at all. This is what >>happens: >>$ realplay >>/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/realplay.bin: error while loading shared >>libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or >>directory >> >>Any clue how I can fix this? >> >> > >Yea, with -rh9 they moved the X libraries to a seperate port, >x11/linux-XFree86-libs, install that and it should work. You may have >to add some lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf and/or run >/usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig. > Ok, I already have x11/linux-XFree86-libs port installed. My ld.so.conf is empty and when I try to run ldconfig nothing happens, it just returns to the prompt. Can you help me figure out what is going on here? I'm sorry that I don't know what I am doing but I am a newbie and I am really trying to use FreeBSD as my main OS. Thanks again /Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:19:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAD616A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:19:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D77B43D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:19:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02E75D04; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20052-05; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-50-112.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.50.112]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84785CE7; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:18:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420FD249.4060408@mac.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:18:49 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <44is5imspz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> In-Reply-To: <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:19:01 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > I maintain a small hobby website on a volunteer basis. (I do all the > technical stuff - server maintenance, etc.) I ran portupgrade today, > and there was an update to perl. (I'm using the ports perl.) It broke > the webserver. I had to deinstall and reinstall www/p5-libwww, > www/mod_perl and www/apache13-modssl to get it working again. Did you read /usr/ports/UPDATING? It contains a suggestion for how to update the Perl ports which might have helped... -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:28:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3898F16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BEC43D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:28:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from 209-6-197-67.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) (209.6.197.67) by smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2005 17:28:33 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,198,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="1706693:sNHT21228664" From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16911.54460.263354.991083@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:29:16 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:28:35 -0000 Piggy-backing on the Subject: line .... I recently upgraded perl per the entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING. Afterwards, gtk-gnutalla is broken. Run from the command line, I get a whole slew of messages like this: 05/02/13 17:19:58 (WARNING): hostiles.txt, line 243: rejected entry "208.209.2.111" (208.209.2.111/32): Range is subnet of existing range 05/02/13 17:19:58 (WARNING): hostiles.txt, line 244: rejected entry "208.209.2.112" (208.209.2.112/32): Range is subnet of existing range 05/02/13 17:19:58 (WARNING): hostiles.txt, line 245: rejected entry "208.209.2.113" (208.209.2.113/32): Range is subnet of existing range 05/02/13 17:19:58 (WARNING): hostiles.txt, line 248: rejected entry "208.229.253.49" (208.229.253.49/32): Range is subnet of existing range 05/02/13 17:19:58 (WARNING): hostiles.txt, line 251: rejected entry "208.50.66.224/255.255.255.224" (208.50.66.224/27): Range is subnet of existing range and then some like this: 05/02/13 17:19:58 (WARNING): [Bogus IP addresses] trying to load from alternate locations... 05/02/13 17:19:58 (WARNING): [Bogus IP addresses] retrieving from "/usr/X11R6/share/gtk-gnutella/bogons.txt" instead 05/02/13 17:19:58 (WARNING): [Geographic IP mappings] trying to load from alternate locations... 05/02/13 17:19:58 (WARNING): [Geographic IP mappings] retrieving from "/usr/X11R6/share/gtk-gnutella/geo-ip.txt" instead and then about here: 05/02/13 17:19:59 (WARNING): [Host Whitelist] unable to retrieve: no alternate locations known the GUI flashes and disappears, and then it starts looking for files to share. Anybody have a clue as to what's busted? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:40:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5827B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:40:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www6.web2010.com (www6.web2010.com [216.157.5.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E160743D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:40:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MLandman@face2interface.com) Received: from Delliver.face2interface.com (ioktxyyw@inoc202-203.veranet.net [216.238.202.203] (may be forged)) by www6.web2010.com (8.12.10/8.9.0) with ESMTP id j1DMdlCf029074 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:39:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213172259.01e14d90@mail.face2interface.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:40:13 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Marty Landman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:40:18 -0000 I have a box with 3 ide's primary master - 4 gb, win 98 currently installed @ 150 mb in size primary slave - 4 gb, empty secondary slave - 6 gb, empty Can I install fbsd (5.2) and set up dual booting from where I'm at now? Or should I install win 98 after fbsd? Also will I need to dedicate an entire 4 or 6 gb ide to win 98? A quarter gb would be plenty for my intended use of windows. Marty Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:46:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E1516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:46:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BE8643D45 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:46:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 10950 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 22:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 22:41:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 15361 invoked by uid 89); 13 Feb 2005 22:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 22:49:47 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CA011497 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:46:01 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:46:01 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050214004601.0150177a@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <65856299.20050213233912@wanadoo.fr> References: <420FCA6C.7070604@makeworld.com> <1987008862.20050213232914@wanadoo.fr> <65856299.20050213233912@wanadoo.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: An observation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:46:05 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:39:12 +0100 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Anthony Atkielski writes: > > > I put it that way in my reply template, since I normally reply to the > > list, and not to the individual poster, and I get tired of cutting and > > pasting the correct address. BTW, there's enough MUAs that allow one to map keys combinations to reply-all, reply-list, reply-sender. > Actually, that's something different. > > My reply template directs the reply to the list, rather than to the > sender, so that I don't have to change the destination address for every > post (I never send replies to list messages to the original poster, > since that creates a lot of overhead for the original poster and a lot > of duplicated text for the reply). So you choose to disobey more that one thing from our mailing lists rules :-( -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:54:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC47016A4D1 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:54:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D5D43D53 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:54:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tbonius@comcast.net) Received: from ostros (c-24-18-102-54.client.comcast.net[24.18.102.54]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005021322541501600iecsle>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:54:16 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c5121f$026c5f30$4300a8c0@ostros> From: "Thomas Foster" To: , "Marty Landman" References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213172259.01e14d90@mail.face2interface.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:54:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:54:19 -0000 As far as the size of the Windows Partition.. its up to you what your intended needs are. If you leave your configuration as is, you can install FreeBSD on the other driver(s) and use the FreeBSD bootloader, or even install GRUB from ports. I personally use the GAG bootloader and find that it suits my needs. T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Landman" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: how to set up a dual boot system >I have a box with 3 ide's > > primary master - 4 gb, win 98 currently installed @ 150 mb in size > > primary slave - 4 gb, empty > > secondary slave - 6 gb, empty > > Can I install fbsd (5.2) and set up dual booting from where I'm at now? Or > should I install win 98 after fbsd? Also will I need to dedicate an entire > 4 or 6 gb ide to win 98? A quarter gb would be plenty for my intended use > of windows. > > Marty > > > Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 > Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml > Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 22:55:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D0516A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:55:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C33D43D2F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:55:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7ED9A1C0009A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:55:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 64FD31C00095 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:55:24 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213225524413.64FD31C00095@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:55:16 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <591901175.20050213235516@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050214004601.0150177a@it.buh.tecnik93.com> References: <420FCA6C.7070604@makeworld.com> <1987008862.20050213232914@wanadoo.fr> <65856299.20050213233912@wanadoo.fr> <20050214004601.0150177a@it.buh.tecnik93.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: An observation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:55:27 -0000 Ion-Mihai Tetcu writes: > BTW, there's enough MUAs that allow one to map keys combinations to > reply-all, reply-list, reply-sender. MUAs allow lots of things, especially the better ones. MTAs do likewise. > So you choose to disobey more that one thing from our mailing lists > rules :-( No. I've discovered that the "reply-to" is redirected traffic from advocacy to questions, however, and I've corrected that. It was not clear from the preceding posts that this was the problem. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 23:01:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14FB16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:01:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp01.eresmas.com (asmtp05.eresmas.com [62.81.235.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DB543D3F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:01:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.53] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp01.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0SkE-0001fQ-4C; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:01:38 +0100 Received: from [80.103.35.90] (helo=[80.103.35.90]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0SkE-0003VG-L1; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:01:39 +0100 Message-ID: <420FD7A4.7020800@wanadoo.es> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:41:40 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Len Zettel References: <200502131318.32282.zettel@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <200502131318.32282.zettel@acm.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:01:43 -0000 Len Zettel wrote: > I am looking for a desktop environment to run > with freebsd. I will be the sole user. Just what I prefer: > > Must-have: > graphical ftp client gftp if you like GUIs, wget if you prefer commandline apps. > spreadsheet package capable of handling .xls files gnumeric or openoffice > word processor capable of handling .doc files openoffice > ability to handle email > web browser. Mozilla suite for email and surfing the net. Firefox for surfing and Thunderbird for e-mailing From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 23:06:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B3116A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:06:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFE843D1F for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:06:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) j1DN6qRg095930; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:06:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D27A36240; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:08:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:08:05 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Marty Landman Message-ID: <20050213230805.GA59417@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Marty Landman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213172259.01e14d90@mail.face2interface.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213172259.01e14d90@mail.face2interface.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! Organization: Me, organized? X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:06:56 -0000 --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:40:13PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote: > I have a box with 3 ide's >=20 > primary master - 4 gb, win 98 currently installed @ 150 mb in size >=20 > primary slave - 4 gb, empty >=20 > secondary slave - 6 gb, empty >=20 > Can I install fbsd (5.2) and set up dual booting from where I'm at now? O= r=20 > should I install win 98 after fbsd? Also will I need to dedicate an entir= e=20 > 4 or 6 gb ide to win 98? A quarter gb would be plenty for my intended use= =20 > of windows. You can install FreeBSD on any harddisk. If you want dual-boot, you'll need to install a boot manager. FreeBSD comes with one. This boot manager is also necessary if you want to install FreeBSD on any but the first drive. See =A72.5 of the FreeBSD handbook, available on the website. You should read at least chapter 2 of the FreeBSD manual _before_ starting the install. Usually it's best to install Windows first, because it will overwrite the master boot record anyway. If you want to install FreeBSD on the first drive, you have to make room for it. That means you need empty space not assigned to any partition, or partitions that you are willing to give to FreeBSD. I think the standard for Windows is to take the entire disk, so you'd have to shrink the windows partition or repartition the disk and reinstall windows on a new partition. There are free tools like parted available to resize FAT partitions. Hope this helps, Roland --=20 R.F. Smith /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign r s m i t h @ x s 4 a l l . n l \ / No HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ X No Word docs in e-mail public key: http://www.keyserver.net / \ Respect for open standards --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCD93VEnfvsMMhpyURAnpPAJ985Kw843Lq7kyU0mBGRLncjIMpswCgnlf/ Mo35iicBlk6ZpnxxAr8PakA= =1y4h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 23:22:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089CB16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:22:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 9.hellooperator.net (cpc3-cdif2-3-0-cust202.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.32.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68E243D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:22:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputnik@hellooperator.net) Received: from [10.4.0.5] (helo=eris.tenfour) by 9.hellooperator.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0T4o-0002Hi-7H for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:22:57 +0000 Received: from rasputnik by eris.tenfour with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0T4o-0002CF-3i for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:22:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:22:53 +0000 From: Dick Davies To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050213232253.GO63378@eris.tenfour> References: <20050213145302.14A9E4BDAA@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <20050213160059.G94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050213160059.G94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: WEIRD: telnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:22:59 -0000 * Colin J. Raven [0205 15:05]: > Some tangential observations: > 1. Unless you *must* use telnet for some reason, it's a good idea to > turn it off. This is a telnet client, how would you 'turn that off'. This is a very common way to test if a socket is listening, and there are no security issues with connecting to a socket on your own machine anyway. > 2. Please tell us that - in the example above - you weren't telnet'ing > as root? I see it was to locahost...but even so that's not a great > practice. This makes no sense at all. Can we all stop knee-jerking at the word telnet? -- 'Aww, you know what always cheers me up? Laughing at other people's misfortunes.' -- Bender Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 23:23:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D1516A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:23:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 9.hellooperator.net (cpc3-cdif2-3-0-cust202.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.32.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944DA43D31 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:23:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputnik@hellooperator.net) Received: from [10.4.0.5] (helo=eris.tenfour) by 9.hellooperator.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0T5g-0001fn-3Y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:23:49 +0000 Received: from rasputnik by eris.tenfour with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0T5g-0002CO-0s for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:23:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:23:47 +0000 From: Dick Davies To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050213232347.GP63378@eris.tenfour> References: <1862258580.20050213170219@wanadoo.fr> <86psz4gp4m.fsf@amidala.datadok.no> <1408311710.20050213221610@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1408311710.20050213221610@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:23:51 -0000 * Anthony Atkielski [0216 21:16]: > Peter N. M. Hansteen writes: > > > Because they wrote the software in question, perhaps? > > So? If it's truly open source, the copyrights should be assigned. All > it takes is one copyright holder who withdraws a license and an entire > package can become unusable. Shut up now, ok? or take it elsewhere. -- 'A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction into a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.' -- Calvin discovers Usenet Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 19:04:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D6316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:04:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE2B43D31 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:04:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from admin@classicwebsales.com) Received: from user-1965.l5.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk ([84.65.71.173] helo=[10.0.0.14]) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D02ZT-0003hg-Ke for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:04:47 +0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.7]); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:09:23 +0000 Message-Id: <420E5462.000003.96045@DAVID> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:09:22 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (3001579) From: "admin@classicwebsales.com" To: X-FID: BA285063-5BCE-11D4-AF8D-0050DAC67E11 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-420E5463124A=======" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:28:22 +0000 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: I have given in trying to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:04:50 -0000 --=======AVGMAIL-420E5463124A======= Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_MVBTG6G0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_MVBTG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_MVBTBHK0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_MVBTBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D I recently picked up the freebsd 1.1 from a Linux magazine I buy regular = , I liked it so much I decided to download the full Freebsd iso's and install the real thing .=0D =0D 24 hrs later and constant effoft ... 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/05 --=======AVGMAIL-420E5463124A=======-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 23:33:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733B916A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:33:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 9.hellooperator.net (cpc3-cdif2-3-0-cust202.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.32.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288AC43D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:33:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rasputnik@hellooperator.net) Received: from [10.4.0.5] (helo=eris.tenfour) by 9.hellooperator.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0TEY-0004LN-Lb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:33:00 +0000 Received: from rasputnik by eris.tenfour with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0TEY-0002Ct-JI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:32:58 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:32:58 +0000 From: Dick Davies To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20050213233258.GR63378@eris.tenfour> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Is it ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dick Davies List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:33:01 -0000 * Tony King [0219 15:19]: > Hi > I use a Mac G4 and have a spare hard drive. > I would like to put a Unix OS on it but do not know what I can use. I think it comes with one. -- 'The State is the kind of organization which, though it does big things badly, does small things badly too.' -- John Kenneth Galbraith Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 23:38:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5A116A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:38:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www6.web2010.com (www6.web2010.com [216.157.5.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D6343D49 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:38:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MLandman@face2interface.com) Received: from Delliver.face2interface.com (rduewam@inoc202-203.veranet.net [216.238.202.203] (may be forged)) by www6.web2010.com (8.12.10/8.9.0) with ESMTP id j1DNbVCf011283; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:37:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213181616.01eb6ae8@mail.face2interface.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:37:39 -0500 To: Roland Smith From: Marty Landman In-Reply-To: <20050213230805.GA59417@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213172259.01e14d90@mail.face2interface.com> <20050213230805.GA59417@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:38:02 -0000 At 06:08 PM 2/13/2005, Roland Smith wrote: >On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:40:13PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote: > > I have a box with 3 ide's > > > > primary master - 4 gb, win 98 currently installed @ 150 mb in size > > > > primary slave - 4 gb, empty > > > > secondary slave - 6 gb, empty >You can install FreeBSD on any harddisk. If you want dual-boot, you'll >need to install a boot manager. Ok, I understand how to do that much but wasn't sure it could work that way. >Usually it's best to install Windows first, because it will overwrite >the master boot record anyway. Cool, I guessed right (eventually). >If you want to install FreeBSD on the first drive, you have to make room >for it. Need some enlightenment here. >I think the standard for Windows is to take the entire disk The entire partition afaik. Therefore right now in fbsd terms I have ads0 - 4 gb ads1 - 4 gb ads2 - 6 gb and to go right into the fbsd install would have to give all of ads0 to windows, which I don't want to do. Now, I could reformat the first ide with windows' fdisk... say I did this and created two partitions of .5 & 3.5 gb respectively. They'd be windows partitions so that wouldn't necessarily work, or would it? Doing this I'd have to reinstall windows after. In that case, would fbsd see ads0 - .5 gb ads1 - 3.5 gb ads2 - 4 gb ads3 - 6 gb >so you'd have to shrink the windows partition or repartition the disk and >reinstall windows on a >new partition. There are free tools like parted available to resize FAT >partitions. Roland, are you saying that if I were to install fbsd now on ads1 - 4 gb ads2 - 6 gb then I could later on install parted and use it to shrink ads0 and allocate the overage to fbsd? If so, that sounds like my best option. Am I getting this right? Thanks, Marty Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 23:39:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F3816A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:39:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.golden.net (smtp.golden.net [199.166.210.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBC943D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:39:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gldisater@gto.net) Received: from 179-189.speede.golden.net ([216.75.179.189]) by smtp.golden.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1D0TKd-000KCG-Fy; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:39:15 -0500 Message-ID: <420FE538.3070003@gto.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:39:36 -0500 From: Jeremy Faulkner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Is it ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:39:16 -0000 Wayne wrote: > On 2/13/05 15:18, "Tony King" wrote: > > >>Hi >>I use a Mac G4 and have a spare hard drive. >>I would like to put a Unix OS on it but do not know what I can use. > > > Freebsd wont run on a g4. There are people on the ppc@freebsd.org mailing list that would disagree with you. It doesn't run on G5's yet and the ppc port isn't Tier 1 yet. -- Jeremy Faulkner From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 23:50:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FC616A4CF for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:50:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D2A43D5A for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:50:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C508F1C0008F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:50:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id ADD081C00086 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:50:54 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050213235054712.ADD081C00086@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:50:54 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <190169580.20050214005054@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213232347.GP63378@eris.tenfour> References: <1862258580.20050213170219@wanadoo.fr> <86psz4gp4m.fsf@amidala.datadok.no> <1408311710.20050213221610@wanadoo.fr> <20050213232347.GP63378@eris.tenfour> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:50:56 -0000 Dick Davies writes: > Shut up now, ok? or take it elsewhere. Don't forget discovery. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 00:01:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF77C16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:01:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE4C43D3F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:01:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0TgA-0008Mq-02; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:01:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200502131614.09991.ean@hedron.org> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <1453180591.20050213095312@wanadoo.fr> <200502131614.09991.ean@hedron.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <935746EF-7E1B-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:01:28 -0700 To: Ean Kingston X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) cc: Anthony Atkielski cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:01:33 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Ean Kingston wrote: > On February 13, 2005 03:53 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: >>> You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- >>> this >>> works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel >>> configurations >>> changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is >>> then link software against the X libraries and then redirect the >>> display to your workstations X server. This meets your criteria and >>> can be handy for certain things. Your apps still run in userland >>> only >>> and there is no HW touching stuff. You are not running the X Server >>> on >>> your FBSD Server machine. >> >> I'll consider it, although it still sounds complicated. >> >> What do I gain from X that I don't already have with remote terminal >> sessions like those created with SecureCRT? I know it looks pretty, >> but >> what server-related things can I do with X that I cannot do with >> ordinary terminals? I'm not aware of anything right now; it seems >> that >> everything can be done from a command line (thank goodness--working >> with >> Windows is a nightmare precisely _because_ so many things cannot be >> done >> from a command line). > > I run an XLoad app on every server with the display on my desktop (set > to > update once a minute. It lets me keep an eye on the general health of > the > servers during the day. Asside from that I haven't found a truely > useful GUI > app for servers. I had some java based ecommerce stuff for a server that had an installer that was a GUI, for example. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 00:11:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B1316A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:11:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 12C0A43D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:11:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jan@evation.com) Received: (qmail 8151 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 00:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ip51cf88d9.direct-adsl.nl) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 00:11:02 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 81.207.136.217 Date: 14 Feb 2005 01:08:00 CET From: Jan Branbergen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/mixed; BOUNDARY="0-1804289383-1108339862=:431" Message-Id: <20050214001103.12C0A43D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Recommended desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:11:03 -0000 --0-1804289383-1108339862=:431 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Description: body > > I am looking for a desktop environment to run > > with freebsd. I will be the sole user. .. zip ... > > word processor capable of handling .doc files > > openoffice or abiword. i prefer abiword. regards, Jan --0-1804289383-1108339862=:431-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 00:12:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B2A16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:12:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492E243D39 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:12:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from judmarc@fastmail.fm) Received: from frontend3.messagingengine.com (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F4CC57C69; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:12:37 -0500 (EST) X-Sasl-enc: OOcaBUOmwj5xWReKafD3qA 1108339956 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (SPARKY-1.msns.sm.ptd.net [24.229.114.177]) by frontend3.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D319247F3; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:12:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420FECF6.1030302@fastmail.fm> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:12:38 -0500 From: Jud User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6+ (Windows/20050128) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marty Landman References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213172259.01e14d90@mail.face2interface.com> <20050213230805.GA59417@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <6.2.0.14.0.20050213181616.01eb6ae8@mail.face2interface.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213181616.01eb6ae8@mail.face2interface.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Roland Smith cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:12:41 -0000 Marty Landman wrote: > At 06:08 PM 2/13/2005, Roland Smith wrote: > >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:40:13PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote: >> > I have a box with 3 ide's >> > >> > primary master - 4 gb, win 98 currently installed @ 150 mb in size >> > >> > primary slave - 4 gb, empty >> > >> > secondary slave - 6 gb, empty > > > >> You can install FreeBSD on any harddisk. If you want dual-boot, you'll >> need to install a boot manager. > > > Ok, I understand how to do that much but wasn't sure it could work that > way. > >> Usually it's best to install Windows first, because it will overwrite >> the master boot record anyway. > > > Cool, I guessed right (eventually). > >> If you want to install FreeBSD on the first drive, you have to make room >> for it. > > > Need some enlightenment here. He's just saying you need to make room if you already have another OS where you want to install FreeBSD. In your case, do you have a 150MB partition on your first disk with Win98 installed there, or is the full 4GB disk devoted to Win98, of which 150MB are currently used? Sounds like the latter, in which case you might want to shrink the Win partition, though FreeBSD and all the apps you might want can almost certainly live quite happily in 10GB. I haven't used parted. I have used BootItNG, which has a free 30-day trial, and which I find to be exceptionally easy to use and well documented. Despite the name, it does resize and move Win partitions as well as function as a bootloader. I have used it predominantly for the former, and to make compressed images of my Win installation for backups. I prefer GAG for the bootloader function. It's free, and, like BootItNG, is very easy to use. >> I think the standard for Windows is to take the entire disk > > > The entire partition afaik. Therefore right now in fbsd terms I have > > ads0 - 4 gb > ads1 - 4 gb > ads2 - 6 gb Actually, you have ad0 4GB, ad1 4GB and ad2 6GB. "ad" is an IDE drive in FreeBSD. "s" is "slice," close to synonymous with a Win "partition." If my assumption is correct that the entire first drive is devoted to Windows, then both ad0 (the drive) and ad0s1 (first and only slice on the first drive) are around 4GB. > and to go right into the fbsd install would have to give all of ads0 to > windows, which I don't want to do. > > Now, I could reformat the first ide with windows' fdisk... say I did > this and created two partitions of .5 & 3.5 gb respectively. They'd be > windows partitions so that wouldn't necessarily work, or would it? Doing > this I'd have to reinstall windows after. > > In that case, would fbsd see > > ads0 - .5 gb > ads1 - 3.5 gb > ads2 - 4 gb > ads3 - 6 gb It would see ad0s1 (the first slice on drive ad0) as .5GB, ad0s2 as 3.5GB, ad1 as 4GB and ad2 as 6GB. If you do shrink your Win installation, you might give it around 1GB, just in order to be quite sure that you wouldn't have to play around with resizing partitions more than once, but it's your call. Jud From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 00:17:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9C916A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:17:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCFA43D46 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:17:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) j1E0HK54086289; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:17:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3EE486240; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:18:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:18:34 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Marty Landman Message-ID: <20050214001834.GC59417@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Marty Landman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213172259.01e14d90@mail.face2interface.com> <20050213230805.GA59417@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <6.2.0.14.0.20050213181616.01eb6ae8@mail.face2interface.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="raC6veAxrt5nqIoY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213181616.01eb6ae8@mail.face2interface.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! Organization: Me, organized? X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:17:24 -0000 --raC6veAxrt5nqIoY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 06:37:39PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote: > At 06:08 PM 2/13/2005, Roland Smith wrote: > >On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:40:13PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote: > >> I have a box with 3 ide's > >> > >> primary master - 4 gb, win 98 currently installed @ 150 mb in size That would be ad0, > >> primary slave - 4 gb, empty ad1, > >> secondary slave - 6 gb, empty and ad3. See =A72.5 of the Handbook. >=20 > >You can install FreeBSD on any harddisk. If you want dual-boot, you'll > >need to install a boot manager. >=20 > Ok, I understand how to do that much but wasn't sure it could work that w= ay. >=20 > >Usually it's best to install Windows first, because it will overwrite > >the master boot record anyway. >=20 > Cool, I guessed right (eventually). >=20 > >If you want to install FreeBSD on the first drive, you have to make room > >for it. >=20 > Need some enlightenment here. >=20 > >I think the standard for Windows is to take the entire disk >=20 > The entire partition afaik. Therefore right now in fbsd terms I have >=20 > ads0 - 4 gb > ads1 - 4 gb > ads2 - 6 gb I don't think this is correct. See above. You probably have ad0, ad1 and ad3. Those are the disks. All disks can be devided into paritions, which FreeBSD calls slices. Say that ad0 has only one partition. In that case you wouls see two devices in /dev: ad0 and ad0s1. The first denotes the disk, the second a partition on the disk, which you can mount as a filesystem. > and to go right into the fbsd install would have to give all of ads0 to= =20 > windows, which I don't want to do. >=20 > Now, I could reformat the first ide with windows' fdisk... say I did this= =20 > and created two partitions of .5 & 3.5 gb respectively. They'd be windows= =20 > partitions so that wouldn't necessarily work, or would it? Doing this I'd= =20 > have to reinstall windows after. You can leave the 3.5 GB unused during Windows installation. > In that case, would fbsd see >=20 > ads0 - .5 gb > ads1 - 3.5 gb > ads2 - 4 gb > ads3 - 6 gb No. FreeBSD's fdisk would see ad0s1 (your windows partition) and either a lot of free space or ad0s2. In the first case you could use the free space to create one or several FreeBSD clices, in the second case you could delete the second partition or change its type. > >so you'd have to shrink the windows partition or repartition the disk an= d=20 > >reinstall windows on a > >new partition. There are free tools like parted available to resize FAT= =20 > >partitions. >=20 > Roland, are you saying that if I were to install fbsd now on >=20 > ads1 - 4 gb > ads2 - 6 gb >=20 > then I could later on install parted and use it to shrink ads0 and alloca= te=20 > the overage to fbsd? If so, that sounds like my best option. The best way is to prepare the disk space _before_ installing FreeBSD, e.g. by running parted from a bootable CD. BTW,=20 If you're going to muck around with partitions,=20 *be sure to backup all your important data*. > Thanks, Hope this helps, Roland --=20 R.F. Smith /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign r s m i t h @ x s 4 a l l . n l \ / No HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ X No Word docs in e-mail public key: http://www.keyserver.net / \ Respect for open standards --raC6veAxrt5nqIoY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCD+5aEnfvsMMhpyURAnBoAJ9McnIIz1hcBZmlPwJ69AMPlbv3XACePO0l AFonuODrfuAGIUaUU3j4xfI= =rwTP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --raC6veAxrt5nqIoY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 01:11:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78EB16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:11:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from luzifer.incubus.de (incubus.de [80.237.207.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D71F43D53 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:11:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mkb@incubus.de) Received: from [192.168.2.10] (p548534CF.dip.t-dialin.net [84.133.52.207]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luzifer.incubus.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72A22F999; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:11:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <420FFACC.2020403@incubus.de> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:11:40 +0100 From: Matthias Buelow User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cpghost@cordula.ws References: <420A6465.30402@sbcglobal.net> <20050209202922.GA18393@fw.farid-hajji.net> In-Reply-To: <20050209202922.GA18393@fw.farid-hajji.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: sp0ng3b0b cc: Charles-Andr? Landemaine cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:11:35 -0000 cpghost@cordula.ws wrote: > Nope. Beastie is a way of life. I'd be quite upset if it were dropped > for whatever reason. It is so intimately tied to FreeBSD that it would > be a PR disaster if it were to be changed. NetBSD never had a real The BSD daemon image stems from around 4.3BSD, or an even earlier release, not FreeBSD. It can therefore never be specific for the FreeBSD system, in the same way Ronald McDonald doesn't stand for the Big Mac alone, but rather for the entire company. In earlier years, before the general hype about Linux and *BSD, I've seen the image being used in presentations about Unix in general. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 01:46:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A9816A4CE; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:46:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10AA43D1D; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:46:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch01.acuson.com ([157.226.230.208]:2247) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0UZx-0005GS-3a; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:59:09 -0800 Received: by mvaexch01.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <17HX38YR>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:56:56 -0800 Message-ID: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AE6@mvaexch01.acuson.com> From: Johnson David To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:00:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RE: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:46:03 -0000 From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr] > > Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. Agree and disagree. While FreeBSD is well suited for the server, it's also well suited for the desktop. That doesn't mean that we should be stressing the desktop to those shopping for servers, instead it means that we shouldn't be telling those shopping for desktops to go use Linux instead. How many business will be running Linux on the desktop but FreeBSD on the server? None! Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop FreeBSD. So how about a "www.serverfreebsd.com" and a "www.desktopfreebsd.com"? You get the best of both worlds that way. David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 01:46:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EBB16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:46:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.hypercon.net (mail.hypercon.net [208.179.154.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C4E43D41 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:46:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from javpra@hypercon.net) Received: from [4.231.220.82] [4.231.220.82] by mail.hypercon.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A3857E5012C; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:48:53 -0800 Message-ID: <4210026C.7050006@hypercon.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:44:12 -0500 From: Javier Prats User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Declude-Sender: javpra@hypercon.net [4.231.220.82] X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0] Subject: Re : FreeBSD - Is it ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:46:06 -0000 This is the link for the macintosh port of freebsd. http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html Unfortunatly it still appears to be under development. Alternatly here is a Netbsd port which is working (NetBSD is another branch off of the original BSD OS). http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/ And here is an OpenBSD port for mac http://www.openbsd.org/macppc.html Hope this is of assistance, Javier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 01:48:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C819D16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:48:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D48243D1F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:48:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dawgeestyle@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so570967rng for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:48:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WK1gqPnY1KHGBW0ZBcR/2LIF8zqg+gSnWyrsA7Sj35WdMnTYxyfJp2iPIfsQ4wy6pCZlmClJoC+rp6VpubvG0cglRMXk7YZZ4iZ+9afJmWwulN8aLElkmFDIn3+368oO7QJCoqlPVGXBq41vNsjFfN+qz4VeKNZs19C5kV7s3C8= Received: by 10.38.149.58 with SMTP id w58mr104851rnd; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.32 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:48:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:48:18 -0500 From: Ben Dover To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Flash causes Firefox to core dump, which ports should I have installed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ben Dover List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:48:20 -0000 Firefox is my browser of choice but every time I view a web page with a Flash object Firefox core dumps. The error is as follows: Feb 13 18:57:53 w00f kernel: pid 27652 (firefox-bin), uid 0: exited on signal 6 (core dumped). I have installed the following relevant ports: /usr/ports/www/firefox /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox I'm confused if I should install the linux-firefox port or the other flash port. What is the combination everyone has been having good luck with? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 01:52:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F2316A4CF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:52:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D0343D5F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:52:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1E1qEGf027614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:52:15 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1E1qEL5027612; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:52:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:52:14 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Brian John Message-ID: <20050214015214.GB20405@alzatex.com> References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> <42098485.2080404@fusemail.com> <20050209114135.GQ8619@alzatex.com> <420E2C55.1030601@fusemail.com> <20050212221718.GS8619@alzatex.com> <420FD091.7060208@fusemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420FD091.7060208@fusemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:52:20 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 04:11:29PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > Loren M. Lang wrote: > > >On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 10:18:29AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>Well, I tried that and now I can't run realplayer at all. This is what > >>happens: > >>$ realplay > >>/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/realplay.bin: error while loading shared > >>libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > >>directory > >> > >>Any clue how I can fix this? > >> > >> > > > >Yea, with -rh9 they moved the X libraries to a seperate port, > >x11/linux-XFree86-libs, install that and it should work. You may have > >to add some lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf and/or run > >/usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig. > > > Ok, I already have x11/linux-XFree86-libs port installed. My ld.so.conf > is empty and when I try to run ldconfig nothing happens, it just returns > to the prompt. Can you help me figure out what is going on here? I'm > sorry that I don't know what I am doing but I am a newbie and I am > really trying to use FreeBSD as my main OS. Add the following lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf: /usr/lib /usr/local/lib /usr/X11R6/lib Then re-run /usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig. > > Thanks again > > /Brian -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 01:53:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88F716A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:53:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD2B43D45 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:53:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1E1rPGf027631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:53:26 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1E1rP7B027629; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:53:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:53:25 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: "Loren M. Lang" Message-ID: <20050214015325.GC20405@alzatex.com> References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> <42098485.2080404@fusemail.com> <20050209114135.GQ8619@alzatex.com> <420E2C55.1030601@fusemail.com> <20050212221718.GS8619@alzatex.com> <420FD091.7060208@fusemail.com> <20050214015214.GB20405@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050214015214.GB20405@alzatex.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: Brian John cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:53:29 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:52:14PM -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 04:11:29PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > Loren M. Lang wrote: > > > > >On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 10:18:29AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>Well, I tried that and now I can't run realplayer at all. This is what > > >>happens: > > >>$ realplay > > >>/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/realplay.bin: error while loading shared > > >>libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > > >>directory > > >> > > >>Any clue how I can fix this? > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Yea, with -rh9 they moved the X libraries to a seperate port, > > >x11/linux-XFree86-libs, install that and it should work. You may have > > >to add some lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf and/or run > > >/usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig. > > > > > Ok, I already have x11/linux-XFree86-libs port installed. My ld.so.conf > > is empty and when I try to run ldconfig nothing happens, it just returns > > to the prompt. Can you help me figure out what is going on here? I'm > > sorry that I don't know what I am doing but I am a newbie and I am > > really trying to use FreeBSD as my main OS. > > Add the following lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf: > > /usr/lib > /usr/local/lib > /usr/X11R6/lib > > Then re-run /usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig. Should this be filled as a pr for the rh9 emul with linux-XFree86-libs? > > > > > Thanks again > > > > /Brian > > -- > I sense much NT in you. > NT leads to Bluescreen. > Bluescreen leads to downtime. > Downtime leads to suffering. > NT is the path to the darkside. > Powerful Unix is. > > Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc > Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C > -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 01:53:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D019B16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:53:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www6.web2010.com (www6.web2010.com [216.157.5.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64ABF43D45 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:53:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MLandman@face2interface.com) Received: from Delliver.face2interface.com (kncssg@inoc202-203.veranet.net [216.238.202.203] (may be forged)) by www6.web2010.com (8.12.10/8.9.0) with ESMTP id j1E1rFCf014200 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:53:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213205129.01dfab48@mail.face2interface.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:53:40 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Marty Landman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:53:47 -0000 I must've goofed somehow. Left windows 98 on the primary master ide and installed fbsd 5.2 on the other two ide's; installation seemed to go well, and I installed the bootmgr on the first of the two ide's that fbsd is on. However when I reboot from the hard drive go right into windows. Where did I go wrong, and how do I fix it? Marty Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:02:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DE216A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:02:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from elivefree.net (mail.elivefree.net [193.95.149.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F126643D2F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:02:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wayne@nightsol.net) Received: from [212.2.173.129] ([212.2.173.129] verified) by elivefree.net (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d14) with ESMTP id S.0002417697; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:05:06 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:02:43 +0000 From: Wayne To: Jeremy Faulkner , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <420FE538.3070003@gto.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Is it ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:02:45 -0000 On 2/13/05 23:39, "Jeremy Faulkner" wrote: >>> Hi >>> I use a Mac G4 and have a spare hard drive. >>> I would like to put a Unix OS on it but do not know what I can use. >> >> >> Freebsd wont run on a g4. > > There are people on the ppc@freebsd.org mailing list that would disagree > with you. It doesn't run on G5's yet and the ppc port isn't Tier 1 yet. I stand corrected =) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:04:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A177516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:04:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web54105.mail.yahoo.com (web54105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25C8043D1F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:04:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saigon_ca@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11578 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2005 02:04:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=DMSgKg48HDOr2Zs22qTTXLah5pd/2ouom7H7dIzLm81Cw4rmo6P9xXGVMY5829KcM4oSyh5TRA36h37jOwFv2pU0cdsCytcDFjpS6Gl13VSgxZY9V0BjbUdyDJb+RQ7OeuTPuAcDDDtDzLQLkjg6/E9GKGf5ecDEfk87ygaxJz4= ; Message-ID: <20050214020407.11576.qmail@web54105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.228.92.127] by web54105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:04:07 CST Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:04:07 +0800 (CST) From: Kangaroo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Question about setup virtual server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:04:08 -0000 Question about setup virtual server.. X4 zoom ADSL modem&router WANIP from X4: 64.234.33.45 LAN IP 10.0.0.6 this zoom ADSL modem connnect to D-LINK broadband router WAN PORT of D-LINK connect to WANPORT of ZOOM X4 WANIP :10.0.0.11 LAN IP: 192.168.0.2 D-LINK has enable virtual severs to allow port 21.. from IP 192.168.0.99 >From ZOOM setup virtual server? Is it correct to setup like this allow port pubport 21 private port 21 -- addr. 192.168.0.99 Testing the virtual server ftp://64.234.33.45 entering this addr, lead me to zoom admin config setup.. while I WANT to see ftp page is up...( since it set anonymous ftp .... ) WHat is missing? how to run test correctly? Cheers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:19:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F60B16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C61943D1D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:19:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out002.verizon.net ESMTP <20050214021939.JKXN27026.out002.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:19:39 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 643502CE740; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:15:18 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200502131642.59595.ean@hedron.org> <04e901c51217$c3d5e590$7702a8c0@officeeagle> In-Reply-To: <04e901c51217$c3d5e590$7702a8c0@officeeagle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:19:39 -0600 cc: Paul Schmehl cc: portmanager-questions-@sunsite.dk cc: Ean Kingston Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:19:42 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 02:02 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ean Kingston" > To: > Cc: "Paul Schmehl" > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:42 PM > Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff > > > I stopped using portupgrade because it only upgrades ports that are > > out-of date. It then modifies the installed software database to > > change any dependencies that relied on the old port to show them as > > relying on the new > > port. > > > > For most ports, this works. For Perl, particularly mod_perl, this > > doesn't work. If you install a new perl you have to rebuild > > everything that depends > > on perl even if it hasn't been updated. > > > > So I stopped using portupgrade. > > Wouldn't it make more sense to fix mod_perl? (Or portupgrade - > whichever one is the culprit?) All the ports that depended upon perl > appear to have had their dependencies updated properly except for > libwww and mod_perl. ISTM, fixing those two ports makes more sense. > > If you don't use portupgrade, then what *do* you do? Wouldn't you > have to deinstall and reinstall every port that depended upon perl? > Or will pkgdb -F do the trick? Pkgdb -F is what screws up the installed ports registry. Here is an example of what happens: 1. port-A needs dependency port-B installed 2. port-B is installed 3. port-A is installed and marks its registry as being dependent on port-B and here is where things go wrong using sysutils/portupgrade: 4. port-B gets upgraded to port-B.1 and portupgrade reports port-A has a stale dependency. Then you run pkgdb -F and port-A's registry is changed to say it was built with port-B.1, portupgrade claims this "fixes" the registry when it really breaks it. Remember, port-A was built with port-B, not port-B.1 and the correct way to "fix" the stale dependency is to upgrade port-A so it is built with the newer dependency. sysutils/portmanager also updates ports, put it doesn't cheat. When port-B became port-B.1 portmanager will rebuild port-A using port-B.1 as the dependency. port-A's registry stays reliable, reflecting how the port was really build instead of how we wished it were built. -Mike see http://portmanager.sunsite.dk/ for more info > > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) > Adjunct Information Security Officer > The University of Texas at Dallas > AVIEN Founding Member > http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:32:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5FB16A4CE; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:32:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D24543D31; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:32:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch01.acuson.com ([157.226.230.208]:4565) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0UR9-00058J-5X; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:50:03 -0800 Received: by mvaexch01.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <17HX3ZXF>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:02:38 -0800 Message-ID: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AD5@mvaexch01.acuson.com> From: Johnson David To: 'stheg olloydson' , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:41:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RE: SPAM: Score 2.5: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:32:32 -0000 From: stheg olloydson [mailto:stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com] > > Now as to the "need" to change the logo, to quote the announcement, > "This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the > religious and cultural context." Over the years, the only complaints I > have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the > question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make > any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for > complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy > on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier > between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic > country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from > an irrational minority that should be ignored. Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these lists. There is no "America's Taliban", and the use of the term is used solely to incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on operating systems they must also share you views on religion and foreign policy is sheer hubris. I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open Source a collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen such anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is this to be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid the rush in switching to another BSD. As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am getting quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture. David Johnson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:34:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B85016A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:34:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFA443D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:34:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 05F5851461; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:34:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:34:10 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Michael C. Shultz" Message-ID: <20050214023410.GA27186@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200502131642.59595.ean@hedron.org> <04e901c51217$c3d5e590$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Paul Schmehl cc: portmanager-questions-@sunsite.dk cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Ean Kingston Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:34:12 -0000 --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 06:15:18PM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote: > Pkgdb -F is what screws up the installed ports registry. Here is an=20 > example of what happens: >=20 > 1. port-A needs dependency port-B installed > 2. port-B is installed > 3. port-A is installed and marks its registry as being dependent on=20 > port-B >=20 > and here is where things go wrong using sysutils/portupgrade: >=20 > 4. port-B gets upgraded to port-B.1 and portupgrade reports port-A > has a stale dependency. Are you certain about this? This is not what portupgrade is supposed to do. > Then you run pkgdb -F and port-A's registry is changed to say it was=20 > built with port-B.1, portupgrade claims this "fixes" the registry when=20 > it really breaks it. You're using emotionally loaded language here ("breaks it", "cheats"), which isn't conducive to discussion. You have a different opinion of what the upgrade process should be doing, but that doesn't mean that portupgrade is broken. > Remember, port-A was built with port-B, not port-B.1 and the correct way= =20 > to "fix" the stale dependency is to upgrade port-A so it is built with=20 > the newer dependency. >=20 > sysutils/portmanager also updates ports, put it doesn't cheat. When > port-B became port-B.1 portmanager will rebuild port-A using port-B.1 > as the dependency. port-A's registry stays reliable, reflecting how the > port was really build instead of how we wished it were built. This is usually not needed, though, so it's overkill and causes unnecessary recompilation. In the cases when it is (e.g. shared library bump), the PORTREVISION of dependent ports should be updated so they become out of date. portupgrade can operate in this mode anyway, though; just add the -f option to portupgrade -r. Kris --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEA4iWry0BWjoQKURAjs+AKCpkX0WT+54/1swnYR0dRPgbRE45wCgurtT UNWB8yhbbigcEE0Zz+coBT0= =ItMS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:35:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D168B16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:35:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2F643D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:35:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (utdvpn084056.utdallas.edu [129.110.84.56]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234CA388C4F; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:35:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:35:06 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <2147483647.1108326906@[192.168.2.100]> In-Reply-To: <420FD249.4060408@mac.com> References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <44is5imspz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <420FD249.4060408@mac.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:35:09 -0000 --On Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:18 PM -0500 Chuck Swiger wrote: > > Did you read /usr/ports/UPDATING? It contains a suggestion for how to > update the Perl ports which might have helped... > Well, no. Why on earth would I do *that*? ;-) (Thanks for the tip. I ran it.) I wonder why the perl port doesn't include this command in a post-install script? Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:35:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFDC16A4D0 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:35:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shell.reiteration.net (82-34-179-228.cable.ubr01.sout.blueyonder.co.uk [82.34.179.228]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FBC43D49 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:35:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@reiteration.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=reiteration.net) by shell.reiteration.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0W52-0005fE-T7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:35:21 +0000 From: "John" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:35:18 +0000 Message-Id: <20050214022404.M90640@reiteration.net> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.50 20050106 X-OriginatingIP: 217.155.102.238 (jfm) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: lists@reiteration.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shell.reiteration.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Disappearing Swap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:35:21 -0000 Hello list How can I see what process is eating my swap? vmstat indicates that the swap is being eaten, but by what? If it all gets eaten, badness occurs. I'm running freebsd 5.3-release-p5. thanks for any input -- lists@reiteration.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:37:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7CA16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:37:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF0D43D4C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:37:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (utdvpn084056.utdallas.edu [129.110.84.56]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9FE388C79; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:37:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:37:47 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: "Michael C. Shultz" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2147483647.1108327067@[192.168.2.100]> In-Reply-To: <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200502131642.59595.ean@hedron.org> <04e901c51217$c3d5e590$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:37:50 -0000 --On Sunday, February 13, 2005 6:15 PM -0800 "Michael C. Shultz" wrote: > > Pkgdb -F is what screws up the installed ports registry. Here is an > example of what happens: > > 1. port-A needs dependency port-B installed > 2. port-B is installed > 3. port-A is installed and marks its registry as being dependent on > port-B > > and here is where things go wrong using sysutils/portupgrade: > > 4. port-B gets upgraded to port-B.1 and portupgrade reports port-A > has a stale dependency. > > Then you run pkgdb -F and port-A's registry is changed to say it was > built with port-B.1, portupgrade claims this "fixes" the registry when > it really breaks it. > > Remember, port-A was built with port-B, not port-B.1 and the correct way > to "fix" the stale dependency is to upgrade port-A so it is built with > the newer dependency. > > sysutils/portmanager also updates ports, put it doesn't cheat. When > port-B became port-B.1 portmanager will rebuild port-A using port-B.1 > as the dependency. port-A's registry stays reliable, reflecting how the > port was really build instead of how we wished it were built. > Thanks, Mike. I believe I start reading the man page for portmanager. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:38:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2E716A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:38:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AECE43D48 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:38:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B097351A01; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:38:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:38:36 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Paul Schmehl Message-ID: <20050214023836.GA27431@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <44is5imspz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <420FD249.4060408@mac.com> <2147483647.1108326906@[192.168.2.100]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1108326906@[192.168.2.100]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:38:37 -0000 --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 08:35:06PM -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:18 PM -0500 Chuck Swiger =20 > wrote: > > > >Did you read /usr/ports/UPDATING? It contains a suggestion for how to > >update the Perl ports which might have helped... > > > Well, no. Why on earth would I do *that*? ;-) >=20 > (Thanks for the tip. I ran it.) I wonder why the perl port doesn't=20 > include this command in a post-install script? It's a once-off change needed when updating from an older version, and the post-install script (or any other part of the port build) doesn't know that this is what is happening. kris --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEA8sWry0BWjoQKURAtYSAKDoythughi14Nayf57BecPMFTE7OgCfUGb1 dRvdBzZYLj2uVLnmu/gZhvs= =gUlm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:58:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D0116A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:58:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028B443D53 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:58:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050214025819.OUVO25879.out010.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:58:19 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BFF772CE740; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:54:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> <20050214023410.GA27186@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20050214023410.GA27186@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:54:03 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502131854.04248.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:58:19 -0600 Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:58:20 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 06:34 pm, you wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 06:15:18PM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote: > > Pkgdb -F is what screws up the installed ports registry. Here is an > > example of what happens: > > > > 1. port-A needs dependency port-B installed > > 2. port-B is installed > > 3. port-A is installed and marks its registry as being dependent on > > port-B > > > > and here is where things go wrong using sysutils/portupgrade: > > > > 4. port-B gets upgraded to port-B.1 and portupgrade reports port-A > > has a stale dependency. > > Are you certain about this? This is not what portupgrade is supposed > to do. I am, I'm going to put together a script that proves it and send it to you later tonight. > > > Then you run pkgdb -F and port-A's registry is changed to say it > > was built with port-B.1, portupgrade claims this "fixes" the > > registry when it really breaks it. > > You're using emotionally loaded language here ("breaks it", > "cheats"), which isn't conducive to discussion. You have a different > opinion of what the upgrade process should be doing, but that doesn't > mean that portupgrade is broken. OK, sorry. I should have been more thoughtful. > > > Remember, port-A was built with port-B, not port-B.1 and the > > correct way to "fix" the stale dependency is to upgrade port-A so > > it is built with the newer dependency. > > > > sysutils/portmanager also updates ports, put it doesn't cheat. When > > port-B became port-B.1 portmanager will rebuild port-A using > > port-B.1 as the dependency. port-A's registry stays reliable, > > reflecting how the port was really build instead of how we wished > > it were built. > > This is usually not needed, though, so it's overkill and causes > unnecessary recompilation. In the cases when it is (e.g. shared > library bump), the PORTREVISION of dependent ports should be updated > so they become out of date. Your right, it isn't allways needed, that is why portupgrade works most of the time. But when ports do that need to be upgraded with the new dependencies and aren't they are damaged. With no way to accurately follow the dependency path of how they were built you have to remake everything in the dependency path to fix it. > > portupgrade can operate in this mode anyway, though; just add the -f > option to portupgrade -r. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 02:59:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE1416A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:59:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B3943D1F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:59:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out006.verizon.net ESMTP <20050214025954.QHSK28674.out006.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:59:54 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E73FE2CE740; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:55:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: Paul Schmehl Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:55:40 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> <2147483647.1108327067@[192.168.2.100]> In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1108327067@[192.168.2.100]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502131855.40636.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:59:54 -0600 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:59:55 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 06:37 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Sunday, February 13, 2005 6:15 PM -0800 "Michael C. Shultz" > > wrote: > > Pkgdb -F is what screws up the installed ports registry. Here is an > > example of what happens: > > > > 1. port-A needs dependency port-B installed > > 2. port-B is installed > > 3. port-A is installed and marks its registry as being dependent on > > port-B > > > > and here is where things go wrong using sysutils/portupgrade: > > > > 4. port-B gets upgraded to port-B.1 and portupgrade reports port-A > > has a stale dependency. > > > > Then you run pkgdb -F and port-A's registry is changed to say it > > was built with port-B.1, portupgrade claims this "fixes" the > > registry when it really breaks it. > > > > Remember, port-A was built with port-B, not port-B.1 and the > > correct way to "fix" the stale dependency is to upgrade port-A so > > it is built with the newer dependency. > > > > sysutils/portmanager also updates ports, put it doesn't cheat. When > > port-B became port-B.1 portmanager will rebuild port-A using > > port-B.1 as the dependency. port-A's registry stays reliable, > > reflecting how the port was really build instead of how we wished > > it were built. > > Thanks, Mike. I believe I start reading the man page for > portmanager. > Your welcome -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 03:00:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D4A16A4CE; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:00:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE63743D39; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:00:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnooby@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.26] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBV000A2SCGFU@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.7]); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:00:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:59:59 -0500 From: bsdnooby To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <4210142F.8000202@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Subject: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:00:18 -0000 Hi, When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new HP Pavilion laptop turns itself off. It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or floppies. There is no error log since it just shuts off after I choose to load a kernel. I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not help. I believe I tried all the kernel options available from the menu on 5.x. The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB HD, 15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN. I purchased it from Best Buy. Under Windows, it appears Hyper-Threading is turned on, and I have not found a way to turn it off inside the CMOS. The machine runs Windows XP Pro fine, but I am trying to switch to FreeBSD on all my boxen. I was really surprised to find this one abruptly shutdown when trying to do the install. It turns off before the install really starts, so I do not have much information to solve this problem. The HD is never touched. Any suggestions? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 03:01:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A9916A4CF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:01:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786B743D2F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:01:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1D0WTx-0000hK-Pc; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:01:06 -0600 Message-ID: <4210147A.8040501@fusemail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:01:14 -0600 From: Brian John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loren M. Lang" References: <4205CA2F.9080107@fusemail.com> <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> <42098485.2080404@fusemail.com> <20050209114135.GQ8619@alzatex.com> <420E2C55.1030601@fusemail.com> <20050212221718.GS8619@alzatex.com> <420FD091.7060208@fusemail.com> <20050214015214.GB20405@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20050214015214.GB20405@alzatex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:01:20 -0000 Loren M. Lang wrote: >On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 04:11:29PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > >>Loren M. Lang wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 10:18:29AM -0600, Brian John wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Well, I tried that and now I can't run realplayer at all. This is what >>>>happens: >>>>$ realplay >>>>/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/realplay.bin: error while loading shared >>>>libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or >>>>directory >>>> >>>>Any clue how I can fix this? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Yea, with -rh9 they moved the X libraries to a seperate port, >>>x11/linux-XFree86-libs, install that and it should work. You may have >>>to add some lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf and/or run >>>/usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig. >>> >>> >>> >>Ok, I already have x11/linux-XFree86-libs port installed. My ld.so.conf >>is empty and when I try to run ldconfig nothing happens, it just returns >>to the prompt. Can you help me figure out what is going on here? I'm >>sorry that I don't know what I am doing but I am a newbie and I am >>really trying to use FreeBSD as my main OS. >> >> > >Add the following lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf: > >/usr/lib >/usr/local/lib >/usr/X11R6/lib > >Then re-run /usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig. > > > >>Thanks again >> >>/Brian >> >> > > > I tried that and now I am able to start up realplayer again, but it still has the same problem as originally. All of the icons have x's in them. Here is the output when I start it from the console: $ realplay (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory Failed to load pixbuf file: /usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png' (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/pause.png' (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mute.png' (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_off.png' (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_low.png' (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mid.png' (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_high.png' ** (realplay.bin:6624): WARNING **: No builtin or dynamically loaded modules were found. Pango will not work correctly. This probably means there was an error in the creation of: '/etc/pango/pango.modules' You may be able to recreate this file by running pango-querymodules. (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gobject.c: line 1337 (g_object_unref): assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Any clue what is going on here? Again, I really appreciate your help /Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 03:14:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7E116A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:14:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09C443D2F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:14:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tbonius@comcast.net) Received: from ostros (c-24-18-102-54.client.comcast.net[24.18.102.54]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005021403141701100e5cq0e>; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:14:18 +0000 Message-ID: <00d001c51243$57e39a90$4300a8c0@ostros> From: "Thomas Foster" To: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:14:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: UFS2 File System Recovery X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:14:27 -0000 I have done quite a bit of searching on the subject and seem to be = coming back to the same conclusion. I recently accidentally removed a symlink recursively in a sleep = deprived stupor and lost an entire directory of personal music projects. = Being that I had not performed backups for that day, the files = inquestion were not written to the taped drive yet, and I was curious.. = since the ffsrecov port has been broken for some time.. what my options = are of trying to recover these files. I immediately unmounted the disk in question and now am in the process = of trying to find the solution. Any suggestions are appreciated.. thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 03:21:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E8216A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:21:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D7C43D46 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:21:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tbonius@comcast.net) Received: from ostros (c-24-18-102-54.client.comcast.net[24.18.102.54]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005021403214301600ijd91e>; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:21:43 +0000 Message-ID: <00e001c51244$61dd0d00$4300a8c0@ostros> From: "Thomas Foster" To: , "Marty Landman" References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213205129.01dfab48@mail.face2interface.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:22:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:21:49 -0000 Install the bootloader to sector 0 of the first drive in the system.. you can also use GRUB or GAG T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Landman" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: how to set up a dual boot system >I must've goofed somehow. Left windows 98 on the primary master ide and >installed fbsd 5.2 on the other two ide's; installation seemed to go well, >and I installed the bootmgr on the first of the two ide's that fbsd is on. >However when I reboot from the hard drive go right into windows. > > Where did I go wrong, and how do I fix it? > > Marty > > > Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 > Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml > Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 03:52:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD5316A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:52:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75D0A43D1D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:52:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Mike.Jeays@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (mjeays2551@24.114.152.139 with plain) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 03:52:54 -0000 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1108353173.33317.10.camel@chaucer.jeays.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:52:54 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SCSI device numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:52:56 -0000 I have at present two emulated SCSI devices on my system; a USB flash drive, and a DVD-writer. They get assigned: 0,0,0 0) 'SanDisk ' 'Cruzer Micro ' '2033' Removable Disk 2,0,0 200) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVDRAM GSA-4160B' 'A300' Removable CD-ROM if the USB device is present at boot time (I think). So my script for burning CDs, which says: mkisofs -J -L -R -o x1.iso "$*" cdrecord -v dev=2,0,0 x1.iso rm -f x1.iso is very fragile. How should I do it? Write a script to read the output of cdrecord -scanbus and grab the device number? There has to be a "right" way, and instinct says this isn't it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 04:27:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A044D16A4CE; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:27:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.net (raats.xs4all.nl [80.126.151.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1E943D49; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:27:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jack@raats.xs4all.nl) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.jarasoft.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F3FAE3E; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:27:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from jara2 (unknown [10.0.0.157]) by zeus.jarasoft.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA01A94D; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:27:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c5124d$7711e390$9d00000a@jara2> From: "Jack Raats" To: "FreeBSD Stable" , Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:27:16 +0100 Organization: Jack Raats MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on zeus.jarasoft.net Subject: FreeBSD 5.3 very slow data-transfer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Raats List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:27:05 -0000 Yesterday I've install FreeBSD 5.3 on a machine. After compiling the kernel with device my, I can connect through the network with that machine. Everything works fine, but when I try to update the source tree or ftp-ing to a local machine, the data transfer starts at 10 Kbytes/sec and drops very quickly to nearly 0. Can anyone give me a clue or help me? Thanks Jack Raats PS. Before FreeBSD 5.3, the PC was working with FreeBSD 4.11 without any problem. I did a complete install of 5.3 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 04:53:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC6516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:53:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DB443D1D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:53:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1D0YEx-0007nL-12 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:53:43 -0600 Message-ID: <42102ED6.3090702@fusemail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:53:42 -0600 From: Brian John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: sudo never requires a password? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:53:55 -0000 How come whenever I do a 'sudo' command I never have to enter a password? I have tried it several times and it is like I have root access but don't need a root password by just using sudo. I think this could be pretty dangerous. I've never setup sudo before, at least not myself. Could someone help me figure this out? Thanks /Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 05:06:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BE516A4CE; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:06:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from softweyr.homeunix.net (cpe-66-75-60-23.san.rr.com [66.75.60.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC77543D39; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:06:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.187] ([204.68.178.187]) (authenticated bits=0)j1E56rA0039903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-DSS-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:06:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) In-Reply-To: <420AD377.40501@pacific.net.sg> References: <20050209212950.50123.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> <420AD377.40501@pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6bd60dab16fe6a124e4bfc590dec4dbe@softweyr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Wes Peters Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:06:40 -0800 To: Erich Dollansky X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: core@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: kuriyama@freebsd.org cc: stheg olloydson Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:06:57 -0000 On Feb 9, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > stheg olloydson wrote: > >> Any communications should come from someone with an easy-to-pronounce >> northern European surname (but not French) and, if at all possible, a >> first name that sounds American. > > Can I suggest Mark from a lovely town in Austria? > > www.fucking.at > > This is the next kind of problems FreeBSD could face. Using words > which have a very different meaning in some other language. > > I think it is absolutely not possible to cater for all those things. > > Just leave the logo as it is. That's just the point -- we don't HAVE a logo. We (the FreeBSD Project) have never HAD a logo. Walnut Creek had a few, printed on stickers, that featured FreeBSD (a trademark now owned by the FreeBSD Foundation) and the MASCOT (copyright Kirk McKusick, used by permission). We NEED a logo that reflects what FreeBSD is. The logo needs to convey what FreeBSD is (a computer operating system; fast, stable, secure, etc) in a way that speaks to people of many cultures and can be represented in a number of forms. Ideally, it will print nicely in magazines, on computer case badges, laptop stickers, bumper stickers, beer glasses, coffee mugs, and t-shirts, as well as stitched onto baseball caps, backpacks, and shirts. We're still firming up exactly how the contest will be decided. What every- one has been flying off the handle about was a pre-release of the competition that was likely leaked to slashdot by some charlatan who can't keep private communications private. The logo will (like all important decisions about FreeBSD) be decided by the committers, the people who have contributed their time, effort, and energy to the project, because they are the ones who have the most riding on it. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 05:27:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3E316A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:27:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA9A43D2D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:27:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D2BCF1C00089 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:27:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AF3AE1C00085 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:27:56 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050214052756717.AF3AE1C00085@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:27:56 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <705761739.20050214062756@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4210142F.8000202@optonline.net> References: <4210142F.8000202@optonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:27:59 -0000 bsdnooby writes: > When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new HP Pavilion laptop turns > itself off. While it's rather late for me to make this observation, I find that computers from big-name vendors tend to show a great deal of interdependence between the pre-installed OS and the hardware. The vendors often design the systems around the assumption that the pre-installed OS (normally Windows) will be the one and only OS on the machine. There may be tweaks in the OEM installation of the OS that accommodate tweaks in the hardware, or vice versa. Because of this, it can be very problematic to wipe the disk on such a machine and install a new one. It should always be possible, but the amount of effort required to get it working may sometimes be substantial. I've seen server machines afflicted in the same way. Compaq has long had a habit of messing around with this sort of thing, and unfortunately HP often makes similar mistakes. High-end HP machines even have custom motherboards and a custom BIOS (both created by HP for HP and with a specific OS in mind), although I don't think the Pavilion is one of these machines. Worse yet, some BIOS show the same tendency, although at least in that case you can usually enter the BIOS at boot and undo whatever the defaults are set for Windows. Ideally, then, for something other than the pre-installed OS (such as FreeBSD), you're probably better off buying an off-brand PC made from off-the-shelf components, or building your own machine yourself. This is what I did for my server, and I was pleasantly surprised when it booted up instantly into FreeBSD as soon as I installed my existing disk drive from the old server (although I reinstalled the OS, anyway, in order to make sure it corresponded exactly to the new hardware configuration). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 05:29:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435DD16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:29:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao05.cox.net (lakermmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A500043D39 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:29:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob88@bobj.org) Received: from mail.bobj.org ([24.250.218.207]) by lakermmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050214052954.WEJQ7302.lakermmtao05.cox.net@mail.bobj.org> for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:29:54 -0500 Received: from bobj.dyndns.org ([192.168.132.161]) (AUTH: PLAIN bobj, ) by mail.bobj.org with esmtp; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:29:52 -0500 From: Bob Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:30:08 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <42102ED6.3090702@fusemail.com> In-Reply-To: <42102ED6.3090702@fusemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502140030.09431.bob88@bobj.org> cc: Brian John Subject: Re: sudo never requires a password? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:29:55 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 11:53 pm, Brian John wrote: > How come whenever I do a 'sudo' command I never have to enter a > password? I have tried it several times and it is like I have root > access but don't need a root password by just using sudo. I think this > could be pretty dangerous. I've never setup sudo before, at least not > myself. Could someone help me figure this out? > Perhaps you don't HAVE a root password. Have you tried to log in to the system as root to make sure it requires a password? It is quite possible to set up FreeBSD with no root password. - Bob > Thanks > > /Brian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > !DSPAM:42102f1b363206104397166! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 05:32:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A345716A4CE; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:32:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F1E43D1D; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:32:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3889051311; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:32:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:32:53 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Jack Raats Message-ID: <20050214053253.GA76069@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <001301c5124d$7711e390$9d00000a@jara2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001301c5124d$7711e390$9d00000a@jara2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: FreeBSD Stable cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.3 very slow data-transfer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:32:54 -0000 --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 05:27:16AM +0100, Jack Raats wrote: > Yesterday I've install FreeBSD 5.3 on a machine. After compiling the kernel > with device my, I can connect through the network with that machine. > Everything works fine, but when I try to update the source tree or ftp-ing > to a local machine, the data transfer starts at 10 Kbytes/sec and drops very > quickly to nearly 0. > Can anyone give me a clue or help me? This almost always means a mismatch of duplex settings on the NIC. Kris --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEDgEWry0BWjoQKURAsc+AKCxTF/wK1YeEmR/5fs4sp7FvqRfJACgm5zO q17XnqfH0jODxHTnJwfhYaU= =Fcko -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 05:48:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C963616A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:48:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5190843D49 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:48:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from TastyNachos@charter.net) Received: from mxip03.cluster1.charter.net (mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.133])j1E5mDbV011713 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:48:13 -0500 Received: from 68-189-90-224.ca.charter.com (HELO [172.16.64.100]) (68.189.90.224) by mxip03.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 14 Feb 2005 00:48:13 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.88,198,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="613992541:sNHT13073636" From: Remington To: Ben Dover In-Reply-To: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:48:13 -0800 Message-Id: <1108360093.622.2.camel@thishost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash causes Firefox to core dump, which ports should I have installed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:48:15 -0000 FreeBSD thishost 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #3: Thu Feb 10 10:43:38 PST 2005 mrlol@thishost:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AMD64 amd64 This is a completely useless reply. I have had this problem for months. All ports are current, running www/flashplugin-mozilla. i core dump in both mozilla and firefox. any help would greatly appreciated! Ben, sorry i couldnt be of any help On Sun, 2005-02-13 at 20:48 -0500, Ben Dover wrote: > Firefox is my browser of choice but every time I view a web page with > a Flash object Firefox core dumps. The error is as follows: Feb 13 > 18:57:53 w00f kernel: pid 27652 (firefox-bin), uid 0: exited on signal > 6 (core dumped). I have installed the following relevant ports: > /usr/ports/www/firefox > /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox > > I'm confused if I should install the linux-firefox port or the other > flash port. What is the combination everyone has been having good > luck with? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 05:54:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EF516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:54:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (brightstar.bomgardner.net [209.240.79.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9811743D39 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:54:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listmail@Bomgardner.net) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (morningstar [192.168.0.2]) by brightstar.bomgardner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAF021D86D; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:54:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <42103D07.1020505@Bomgardner.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:54:15 -0600 From: Gene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ean Kingston References: <420FC246.10200@Bomgardner.net> <200502131639.50072.ean@hedron.org> In-Reply-To: <200502131639.50072.ean@hedron.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HELP!! sshd permitting password free logins X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:54:28 -0000 Ean Kingston wrote: >On February 13, 2005 04:10 pm, Gene wrote: > > >>I'm running version 5.3 of freebsd. >>I'm not sure what I did - I was experimenting in sshd_config. sshd began >>to permit logins without benefit of password. >> >>When logging in (I'm using putty from a local windows machine) I enter >>the user name. I'm presented with the challenge and the password prompt. >>If hit enter I get the second password prompt with echo on. If I enter >>anything else to the first password prompt, or anything (or just the >>enter key) to the second prompt, I find myself logged on. >> >> > >I'm not sure what you mean by a second password prompt. I've never seen SSH >provide 2 password prompts. > > > Login accounts use opie. Once the user name is entered, a challenge is displayed followed by a password prompt. Entered passwords at this prompt do not echo. Normally, if you enter just a return, another prompt appears with the notation "[echo on]" and the entered password is echoed as it is entered. >>The allow groups directive in the config file works, only members of >>grp1 get logged on, but without passwords. This was working correctly >>before I started fooling around - >> >>any ideas? >> >> > >Check to make sure the user you are logging in as has a password. > >Also, check to make sure your ssh client is not sending an RSA key for >authentication. I think that one is enabled by default. If you want to force >passwords, make sure you aren't using RSA keys. > > > If disable RSA keys in the config file, but the problem persists. >>Cinfig file follows: >>------------------------ >># $OpenBSD: sshd_config,v 1.59 2002/09/25 11:17:16 markus Exp $ >># $FreeBSD: src/crypto/openssh/sshd_config,v 1.33 2003/09/24 19:20:23 >>des Exp $ >> >># This is the sshd server system-wide configuration file. See >># sshd_config(5) for more information. >> >># This sshd was compiled with PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin >> >># The strategy used for options in the default sshd_config shipped with >># OpenSSH is to specify options with their default value where >># possible, but leave them commented. Uncommented options change a >># default value. >> >># Note that some of FreeBSD's defaults differ from OpenBSD's, and >># FreeBSD has a few additional options. >> >>#VersionAddendum FreeBSD-20030924 >> >>#Port 22 >>#Protocol 2,1 >>#ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 >>#ListenAddress :: >> >># HostKey for protocol version 1 >>#HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key >># HostKeys for protocol version 2 >>#HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key >> >># Lifetime and size of ephemeral version 1 server key >>#KeyRegenerationInterval 3600 >>#ServerKeyBits 768 >> >># Logging >>#obsoletes QuietMode and FascistLogging >>#SyslogFacility AUTH >>#LogLevel INFO >> >># Authentication: >> >>LoginGraceTime 120 >>PermitRootLogin no >>#StrictModes yes >> >>RSAAuthentication no >>PubkeyAuthentication no >>AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys >> >>AllowGroups grp1 >> >># rhosts authentication should not be used >>#RhostsAuthentication no >># Don't read the user's ~/.rhosts and ~/.shosts files >>#IgnoreRhosts yes >># For this to work you will also need host keys in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts >>#RhostsRSAAuthentication no >># similar for protocol version 2 >>#HostbasedAuthentication no >># Change to yes if you don't trust ~/.ssh/known_hosts for >># RhostsRSAAuthentication and HostbasedAuthentication >>#IgnoreUserKnownHosts no >> >># To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here! >>PasswordAuthentication no >>PermitEmptyPasswords no >> >># Change to no to disable PAM authentication >>ChallengeResponseAuthentication yes >> >># Kerberos options >>#KerberosAuthentication no >>#KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes >>#KerberosTicketCleanup yes >> >>#AFSTokenPassing no >> >># Kerberos TGT Passing only works with the AFS kaserver >>#KerberosTgtPassing no >> >>#X11Forwarding yes >>#X11DisplayOffset 10 >>#X11UseLocalhost yes >>#PrintMotd yes >>#PrintLastLog yes >>KeepAlive yes >>#UseLogin no >>#UsePrivilegeSeparation yes >>#PermitUserEnvironment no >>#Compression yes >> >>#MaxStartups 10 >># no default banner path >>#Banner /some/path >>#VerifyReverseMapping no >> >># override default of no subsystems >>Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/sftp-server >> >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 06:07:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA5F16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:07:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FA543D48 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:07:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (utdvpn084056.utdallas.edu [129.110.84.56]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2161D388C2E; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:07:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:07:40 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: Bob Johnson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2147483647.1108339660@[192.168.2.100]> In-Reply-To: <200502140030.09431.bob88@bobj.org> References: <42102ED6.3090702@fusemail.com> <200502140030.09431.bob88@bobj.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline cc: Brian John Subject: Re: sudo never requires a password? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:07:42 -0000 --On Monday, February 14, 2005 12:30 AM -0500 Bob Johnson wrote: > > Perhaps you don't HAVE a root password. Have you tried to log in to the > system as root to make sure it requires a password? It is quite possible > to set up FreeBSD with no root password. > Sudo doesn't use the root password. It uses the *users* password. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 06:10:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5430C16A4CF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:10:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2635B43D41 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:10:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (utdvpn084056.utdallas.edu [129.110.84.56]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22EE388C2E; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:10:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:10:11 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: Brian John , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2147483647.1108339811@[192.168.2.100]> In-Reply-To: <42102ED6.3090702@fusemail.com> References: <42102ED6.3090702@fusemail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: sudo never requires a password? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:10:14 -0000 --On Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:53 PM -0600 Brian John wrote: > How come whenever I do a 'sudo' command I never have to enter a password? > I have tried it several times and it is like I have root access but don't > need a root password by just using sudo. I think this could be pretty > dangerous. I've never setup sudo before, at least not myself. Could > someone help me figure this out? > Sudo can be configured to require a password or to never require a password. If this is your machine, then su - to root and type "visudo" and look at the file (/etc/sudoers) yourself. Whoever set sudo up chose to set it up that way. Sudo can also be setup to only grant you "root" access to *certain* resources. It's up to the admin to make those kinds of decisions. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 06:50:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E35516A4CF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:50:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wolf.bytecraft.au.com (wolf.bytecraft.au.com [203.39.118.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6240543D4C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:50:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])j1E6ogI7029498; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:50:42 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from wolf.bytecraft.au.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wolf.bytecraft.au.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29124-04; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:50:41 +1100 (EST) Received: from svmarshal.bytecraft.au.com ([10.0.0.4])j1E6o9qT029489; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:50:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmel.bytecraft.internal (Not Verified[10.0.0.24]) by svmarshal.bytecraft.au.com with MailMarshal (v5,0,3,78) id ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:50:08 +1100 Received: from [10.0.17.42] ([10.0.17.42]) by svmailmel.bytecraft.internal with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:50:08 +1100 From: Murray Taylor To: Bart Silverstrim In-Reply-To: References: <20050211135111.D33012@gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Bytecraft Systems Message-Id: <1108363808.80214.28.camel@wstaylorm.dand06.au.bytecraft.au.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:50:08 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2005 06:50:08.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C436150:01C51261] cc: Karen Donathan cc: freebsdquestions Subject: Re: Virus question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mtaylor@bytecraft.com.au List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:50:54 -0000 On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 05:59, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > On Feb 11, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Karen Donathan wrote: > > > To Whom it may concern: > > > > My name is Karen Donathan and I am a computer science teacher at > > George Washington High School in Charleston, WV. We run our website > > (http://gwhs.kana.k12.wv.us) on a FreeBSD server. This project was > > given to me, and I am afraid that I really should know more about how > > this works. > > > > My question is as follows: How can I run a virus scan on my system? > > What scan do you recommend? > > > > The reason I am asking this question is that our school system > > administrator just found that there were some files infected with > > Klez.h in the webroot directory of our server. He found this out as > > he downloaded some files from this directory to our Windows-XP school > > server, and Norton flagged it right away. > > > > Any suggestions? > > The FreeBSD server itself is immune to that virus. I'd look at the > files and ask how they got there (who put them there). > > Second, personally I'd recommend you go into the ports tree and install > ClamAV. Then you can run Clamscan and that will flag which files are > "infected". Then you can go through and delete them or quarantine > them. > > -Bart > Sophos is a commercial virus scanner that can be installed and run on both FreeBSD and Windows platforms. (Obviously different runtime apps, but the identity files etc are common) And once you have purchased your license, updates of both engines and the .ide files can be scripted via cron very easily. We also use Spamassassin in the firewall DMZ... (belts, braces and bootlaces...) 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No warranties are given and no liability is accepted for any loss or damage caused by such matters. --------------------------------------------------------------- ***This Email has been scanned for Viruses by MailMarshal.*** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 06:53:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8551116A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:53:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wolf.bytecraft.au.com (wolf.bytecraft.au.com [203.39.118.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524CA43D4C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:53:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])j1E6r0V0029566; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:53:00 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from wolf.bytecraft.au.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wolf.bytecraft.au.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28885-06; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:53:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from svmarshal.bytecraft.au.com ([10.0.0.4])j1E6qd1M029557; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:52:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmel.bytecraft.internal (Not Verified[10.0.0.24]) by svmarshal.bytecraft.au.com with MailMarshal (v5,0,3,78) id ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:52:38 +1100 Received: from [10.0.17.42] ([10.0.17.42]) by svmailmel.bytecraft.internal with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:52:38 +1100 From: Murray Taylor To: Jan Branbergen In-Reply-To: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> References: <20050211115902.5BCC643D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Bytecraft Systems Message-Id: <1108363957.80214.31.camel@wstaylorm.dand06.au.bytecraft.au.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:52:38 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2005 06:52:38.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5BC0B10:01C51261] cc: freebsdquestions Subject: Re: SQL Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mtaylor@bytecraft.com.au List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:53:06 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 23:54, Jan Branbergen wrote: > >I would like to install SQL here for my own use, not for any real life > > > > currently, round now for learning. > > > > Right now plan to install MySQL. > > Looking through the ports there is numerous version and some say for > > > > server, some say for client. > > > > Looking for some tips as to what version of SQL and tools to > > install? > > Also wondering if anyone can point me towards documentation in my > > learning efforts? > > i would like to suggest PostgreSQL if your objective is learning SQL. MySQL only provides a subset. > > it is by no means more complicated to install or to get started. > > regards, > > Jan > Hmmm started with MySQL for all the reasons in other posts... - quick - easy to get a system started Probably moving to PostgreSQL to gain triggers, constraints and views. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > ***This Email has been scanned for Viruses by MailMarshal.*** -- Murray Taylor Special Projects Engineer --------------------------------- Bytecraft Systems & Entertainment P: +61 3 8710 2555 F: +61 3 8710 2599 D: +61 3 9238 4275 M: +61 417 319 256 E: mtaylor@bytecraft.com.au or visit us on the web http://www.bytecraftsystems.com http://www.bytecraftentertainment.com --------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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No warranties are given and no liability is accepted for any loss or damage caused by such matters. --------------------------------------------------------------- ***This Email has been scanned for Viruses by MailMarshal.*** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 07:06:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59EE16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:06:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vs3.bgnett.no (vs3.bgnett.no [194.54.96.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A53B43D1F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:06:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@bgnett.no) Received: from amidala.datadok.no.bgnett.no ([194.54.107.19]) by vs3.bgnett.no (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1E76C5n081418 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:06:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from peter@bgnett.no) Sender: peter@amidala.datadok.no To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1408311710.20050213221610@wanadoo.fr> From: peter@bgnett.no (Peter N. M. Hansteen) Date: 14 Feb 2005 08:05:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1408311710.20050213221610@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <86y8drfwp6.fsf@amidala.datadok.no> Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-bgnett.no-virusscanner: Found to be clean X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:06:18 -0000 Anthony Atkielski writes: > > Because they wrote the software in question, perhaps? > > So? If it's truly open source, the copyrights should be assigned. copyright assignment isn't entirely doable in all jurisdictions, and beside the point. > All it takes is one copyright holder who withdraws a license and an > entire package can become unusable. i assume you have been told about the 'published under a license' phenomenon. To me it sounds like you need to read up on a few things. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ "First, we kill all the spammers" The Usenet Bard, "Twice-forwarded tales" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 07:39:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3242A16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:39:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46A443D54 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:39:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snopyland@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so596867rnf for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:39:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LxFZK76zsDvuBw4bwzWtCVKk4lXngZOxEoVMiUMsrjxhpaL602s4jLwcly1e83vZQzvEbfuLulE1iy/bA21I+x5sgZg33yXoXgn1kGaASxqPCVa2d0+XAC/KnAT5nX35vW4T82K2Mvz61X5AphCD26yFk3uvVAbZlvaNP1vxD7U= Received: by 10.38.92.21 with SMTP id p21mr187085rnb; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:39:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.150.71 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:39:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:39:23 +0800 From: Snopy Land To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: remove cpu in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Snopy Land List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:39:24 -0000 Hi, I am a newbie to freebsd, I need to remove one cpu from my freebsd (5.2.1-release version) server. Do I need to recompile my kernel? If yes, any hints? Or I can just shutdown, remove the cpu and reboot the machine ? Thanks a lot. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 07:55:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA9E16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:55:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED6443D1D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:54:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])j1E7sm8d002227 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:54:52 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) j1E7siMU095965 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:54:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)j1E7sgo5095964 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:54:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:54:42 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050214075442.GA95608@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <1337541312.20050212132519@wanadoo.fr> <156527043.20050212140322@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <156527043.20050212140322@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:55:01 -0000 On 2005-02-12 14:03, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Ted Mittelstaedt writes: >> How exactly does one do this when the NT kernel code isn't available >> for perusal? > > One gains access to the kernel code. Hmmm, how? > However, just observing the systems and studying their design tells a > lot as well. The NT kernel is very well designed. Very little can be said about a black box system. Even then, a great deal of this little stuff is purely hypothetical and based on a lot of unproven assumptions. Assumptions which may be true for version 3.14 of said software but fail miserably with 3.15. Now, when this is compared to something that is documented, clearly and visibly, in an open source tree... we can see why the apparent stability of NT is worth very little :-( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 07:56:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C26816A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:56:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.int.xm.co.za (email.xm.co.za [196.23.175.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3234C43D54 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:56:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from al@xms.co.za) Received: from mailnull by mail.int.xm.co.za with virus-scanned (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0bBx-0006eI-VN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:02:49 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.193] (helo=linux.site) by mail.int.xm.co.za with smtp (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0bBx-0006eD-Qr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:02:49 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:58:29 +0200 From: Andrew Lewis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050214095829.657215bb@linux.site> In-Reply-To: <4168.10.202.77.100.1108331128.squirrel@10.202.77.100> References: <4168.10.202.77.100.1108331128.squirrel@10.202.77.100> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-suse-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ping -f differences in pinging windows 2003 and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:56:21 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:45:28 +0100 (CET) "Gelsema, Patrick" wrote: > I've got the following kit running; FreeBsd 5.3Release-p5, > 4.10-RELEASE-p2, Windows XP SP2, Syslinux and Windows 2003 SP1. > > They all are connected to a 3com 100mbit Hub. All machines 100Mbit > HalfDuplex. > > When I execute the ping -f command from 5.3 to 4.10 I am getting a ~18% > packetloss, the same when I execute the command from 4.10 to 5.3. > > However when I ping -f the Windows 2003 server, the Syslinux Firewall or > Windows XP I am lucky if at least 10 packets are dropped. You may find reach some different results using a different value for the net.inet.icmp.icmplim sysctl (number of ICMP packets per second). -AL. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 08:33:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B707516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:33:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1838E43D45 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:33:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030BFFD01F; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:33:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4210624F.9020803@locolomo.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:33:19 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "admin@classicwebsales.com" References: <420E5462.000003.96045@DAVID> In-Reply-To: <420E5462.000003.96045@DAVID> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: I have given in trying to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:33:27 -0000 admin@classicwebsales.com wrote: > > I recently picked up the freebsd 1.1 from a Linux magazine I buy reg ular , I liked it so much I decided to download the full Freebsd iso's > an= d install the real thing . > > 24 hrs later and constant effoft ... I have given in . > > It seems that regardless of whatever angle I approach the install .. . and I have tried every which way but lose . > > It is impossible to get the bootloader to use Gnome or KDE (xfree) . > I have tried every way from your website help on install and still n o joy . OK I am not a Linux expert , I have only installed Mandrake , > RH8= and RH9 Knoppik and Suse plus other operating systems over the > past year= since I have been inquisitive about LInux . > > Please make FreeBSD easy to install ! FreeBSD doesn't enable X by default, you will come to appreciate it. X does not start Gnome or KDE by default, you will come to apprecieate it. The reason is that if something is incorrectly configured you can get into an endless loop with X restarting, and a reinstall being the only (almost) option. First, it is not the boot loader that is responsible for starting X or Gnome/KDE. The bootloader .. well boots :-) To do: The installation menu will allow you to install and configure X and choose among the most popular window managers including Gnome and KDE. If you have done that, reboot the machine and login. You have a console - don't panic! :-) Run the command "startx", this will start up X with the chosen window manager. If you are satisfied, then go on to make it start automatically. Edit /etc/ttys - change the line ttyv8 "/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm off secure to ttyv8 "/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure and reboot. This last step is always required after install in order to start X automatically on boot. I won't recommend it untill you have the configuration correct for the reason given above. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 08:36:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C8416A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:36:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7160E43D2D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:36:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E802FD01F; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:36:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4210630E.2020408@locolomo.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:36:30 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Dover References: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash causes Firefox to core dump, which ports should I have installed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:36:36 -0000 Ben Dover wrote: > Firefox is my browser of choice but every time I view a web page with > a Flash object Firefox core dumps. The error is as follows: Feb 13 > 18:57:53 w00f kernel: pid 27652 (firefox-bin), uid 0: exited on signal > 6 (core dumped). I have installed the following relevant ports: > /usr/ports/www/firefox > /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox > > I'm confused if I should install the linux-firefox port or the other > flash port. What is the combination everyone has been having good > luck with? I haven't had any luck with flash - it doesn't _always_ crash but too often, so I have simply deinstalled flash. I haven't ever seen a usefull and informative page which had these qualities solely because of flash. To get rid of those anoying requests to install flash, remove the following file: libnullplugin.so (I use mozilla, I guess it's the same for firefox). Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 08:41:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A96616A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:41:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B343E43D1F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:41:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out004.verizon.net ESMTP <20050214084148.JSYL15146.out004.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:41:48 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 012142CE747; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:37:28 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> <20050214023410.GA27186@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20050214023410.GA27186@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502140037.30061.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:41:48 -0600 cc: Paul Schmehl cc: portmanager-questions-@sunsite.dk cc: Ean Kingston Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:41:50 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 06:34 pm, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 06:15:18PM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote: > > Pkgdb -F is what screws up the installed ports registry. Here is an > > example of what happens: > > > > 1. port-A needs dependency port-B installed > > 2. port-B is installed > > 3. port-A is installed and marks its registry as being dependent on > > port-B > > > > and here is where things go wrong using sysutils/portupgrade: > > > > 4. port-B gets upgraded to port-B.1 and portupgrade reports port-A > > has a stale dependency. > > Are you certain about this? This is not what portupgrade is supposed > to do. > > > Then you run pkgdb -F and port-A's registry is changed to say it > > was built with port-B.1, portupgrade claims this "fixes" the > > registry when it really breaks it. > > You're using emotionally loaded language here ("breaks it", > "cheats"), which isn't conducive to discussion. You have a different > opinion of what the upgrade process should be doing, but that doesn't > mean that portupgrade is broken. > > > Remember, port-A was built with port-B, not port-B.1 and the > > correct way to "fix" the stale dependency is to upgrade port-A so > > it is built with the newer dependency. > > > > sysutils/portmanager also updates ports, put it doesn't cheat. When > > port-B became port-B.1 portmanager will rebuild port-A using > > port-B.1 as the dependency. port-A's registry stays reliable, > > reflecting how the port was really build instead of how we wished > > it were built. > > This is usually not needed, though, so it's overkill and causes > unnecessary recompilation. In the cases when it is (e.g. shared > library bump), the PORTREVISION of dependent ports should be updated > so they become out of date. > > portupgrade can operate in this mode anyway, though; just add the -f > option to portupgrade -r. > > Kris portupgrade -rf forces the rebuild of the port and ALL of its dependencies, and it builds them in the wrong order, it is nothing like portmanager. example: if the following are installed: masterPort-0.0 dependentPort-A-0.0 dependentPort-B-0.0 then dependency-A-0.0 is upgraded to dependency-A-0.1 portupgrade -rf masterPort-0.0 will build the following in the following order: masterPort-0.0 dependentPort-A-0.1 dependentPort-B-0.0 portmanager -u will do the following: dependentPort-A-0.1 masterPort-0.0 There is a huge difference here! Portupgrade builds the top level port before it's dependencies, then proceeds to build all of the dependencies wither they need it or not. Portmanager builds the old dependency first, then unlike portupgrade, builds the top level port from the upgraded dependency and does NOT build the dependency that was never upgraded. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 08:56:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287E316A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:56:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B220943D58 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:56:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdmail@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1777108wri for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:56:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PCUmeSXpecgoR0tlAssvQyc0Guz8bY09IR03/LEZBZiryNK6XlUgzPB5kpKAemslJoGZmz1nrotu4MhtTIDEO744CDs9KQBpeu9gfHYsYc7/APX4zPARjdTkTK+GzDIKYMYPMwmi1BZpW36YsVA7HA82PtwT5yjXnSE/wajE6a4= Received: by 10.54.4.79 with SMTP id 79mr10312wrd; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.3.62 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:56:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8be663db0502140056105c9196@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:56:41 -0800 From: BSD Mail To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Postfix + Auth + SSL + pop3s/imaps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: BSD Mail List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:56:45 -0000 Greetings, I have a 5.3 Server. I'm planning to install Postfix. I'm planning to use the Maildir format. I'm going to generate my own SSL certificates for mail and use it for smpts/imaps/pop3s. But I'm not sure what to use for authentication. I need to have the mail users/password seperated from the system user/password. Because some users will only have mail accounts and they won't have any shell access. I read about different auth mechanism and I know for sure that Plain Login is not what I want. I need DIGEST-MD5. I'm looking for something easier than SASL to configure. On my test server I tried to configure SASL and couldn't get DIGEST-MD5 to work. Any suggestion ? Someone mentioned that I shouldn't worry about the authentication if it's Plain or Login because I'm going to use SSL and that would encrypt both Login and the data channel. I'm not sure if this is 100% true. Any idea ? Last but not least, I'm going to add on top of all that a webmail. probably Openwebmail or squirrelmail. Which one of them would work better with all what I mentioned earlier: - Auth DIGEST-MD5 - Maildir - SSL - dovecot I was checking one of squirrelmail password plugins and I read this sentence: "Cyrus SASL includes a shell utility called "saslpasswd" for manipulating user passwords in the "sasldb" database. This patch attempts to use this utility to perform password manipulations required by your squirrelmail users without any administrative interaction. Unfortunately, this scheme requires that the "saslpasswd" utility be run as the "cyrus" user - a horrible security problem since we have chosen to SUID a small script which will allow this to happen." I'm pretty confused about the authentication method to use. I'm trying to run everything as secure as possible. I configured Postfix to run chrooted. and I'm going to use SSL for sure. What auth should I choose for smtp ? -- Regards, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:09:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8258116A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:09:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E3943D46 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:09:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 814DD51432; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:09:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:09:21 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Michael C. Shultz" Message-ID: <20050214090921.GA36024@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> <20050214023410.GA27186@xor.obsecurity.org> <200502140037.30061.reso3w83@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502140037.30061.reso3w83@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Paul Schmehl cc: portmanager-questions-@sunsite.dk cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Ean Kingston Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:09:22 -0000 --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:37:28AM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote: > portupgrade -rf forces the rebuild of the port and ALL of its=20 > dependencies, and it builds them in the wrong order, it is nothing=20 > like portmanager. >=20 > example: >=20 > if the following are installed: >=20 > masterPort-0.0 > dependentPort-A-0.0 > dependentPort-B-0.0 >=20 > then >=20 > dependency-A-0.0 is upgraded > to dependency-A-0.1 >=20 > portupgrade -rf masterPort-0.0 >=20 > will build the following in the following order: >=20 > masterPort-0.0 > dependentPort-A-0.1 > dependentPort-B-0.0 Maybe I misunderstand what relationship you are thinking of between these ports, but 'portupgrade -rf dependency-A-0.0' would do dependency-A, then masterPort, just as below. Are you confusing -r with -R (which upgrades ports 'in the other direction in the dependency tree')? If I'm misunderstanding what you mean, can you spell it out with clearer Makefile fragments (i.e. what RUN_DEPENDS on what)? > portmanager -u will do the following: >=20 > dependentPort-A-0.1 > masterPort-0.0 >=20 > There is a huge difference here! Portupgrade > builds the top level port before it's dependencies, > then proceeds to build all of the dependencies wither > they need it or not. Kris --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEGrBWry0BWjoQKURAlHUAKCfRcZjAcGf4qFp1+9WvyL4a9PGLwCgqDvp R0zHP+Uj4p7QIW3rPQczZyU= =K8Ox -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:20:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A356C16A4CF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:20:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DCC43D46 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:20:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1E9KoGf031304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:20:50 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1E9KosK031302; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:20:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:20:50 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Ben Dover Message-ID: <20050214092050.GA31198@alzatex.com> References: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash causes Firefox to core dump, which ports should I have installed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:20:51 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 08:48:18PM -0500, Ben Dover wrote: > Firefox is my browser of choice but every time I view a web page with > a Flash object Firefox core dumps. The error is as follows: Feb 13 > 18:57:53 w00f kernel: pid 27652 (firefox-bin), uid 0: exited on signal > 6 (core dumped). I have installed the following relevant ports: > /usr/ports/www/firefox > /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox Do you have flash 6 or 7 installed. I never have 6 crash, but 7 is horrible. > > I'm confused if I should install the linux-firefox port or the other > flash port. What is the combination everyone has been having good > luck with? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:21:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC2916A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:21:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B0843D2F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:21:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gmeijer@palmweb.nl) Received: from guus (simoon.xs4all.nl [213.84.111.205]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j1E9LB4u061451 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:21:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gmeijer@palmweb.nl) Message-ID: <03f501c51276$bf4f18c0$9600000a@guus> From: "Gerard Meijer" To: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:22:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: live mirroring X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:21:12 -0000 Hi all, I have a question. I want to set-up a site on 3 identical FreeBSD = servers, using Round Robin to distribute the load. The site will be running some .cgi and .php scripts and when those = scripts make changes to the configuration files of the sites, they need = to be spread automatically to the other two servers. Also when files are = uploaded to one server, I need them to automatically upload to the other = servers to. What is the best program to do this? Or am I looking at it the wrong way = and should I do it different? Thanks in advance! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:26:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DF016A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:26:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C811643D39 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:26:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dawgeestyle@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so613585rng for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:26:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=XDLEvFc6fvho1Pq1MydsNmP7EMv/wKJUX1C1s6y7BAVapP1XByUuNtH6JXQynR9Gcr+zoIoESAfxk1d/f4fSgTdqSfiUa3TMMQkIkilmo8K6caiO/RlFgOIYEmwesIxvdKYW3uDP4BMTFlzXoVNtgxsMQTMVzFNrihNhOP9dl2A= Received: by 10.38.73.54 with SMTP id v54mr8475rna; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.32 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:26:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ae9cd550502140126a8d4bfd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:26:12 -0500 From: Benjamin Dover To: "Loren M. Lang" In-Reply-To: <20050214092050.GA31198@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> <20050214092050.GA31198@alzatex.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash causes Firefox to core dump, which ports should I have installed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Benjamin Dover List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:26:14 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:20:50 -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 08:48:18PM -0500, Ben Dover wrote: > > Firefox is my browser of choice but every time I view a web page with > > a Flash object Firefox core dumps. The error is as follows: Feb 13 > > 18:57:53 w00f kernel: pid 27652 (firefox-bin), uid 0: exited on signal > > 6 (core dumped). I have installed the following relevant ports: > > /usr/ports/www/firefox > > /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox > > Do you have flash 6 or 7 installed. I never have 6 crash, but 7 is > horrible. cd /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox/ w00f# cat distinfo MD5 (gplflash-0.4.12.tar.bz2) = 7d53803486b255665a80cd834ee3c463 SIZE (gplflash-0.4.12.tar.bz2) = 378727 w00f# cat pkg-descr This is GPL standalone Flash (TM) Plugin, that comes with FlashLib (libflash) distribution. Author: Olivier Debon WWW: http://gplflash.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > I'm confused if I should install the linux-firefox port or the other > > flash port. What is the combination everyone has been having good > > luck with? > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > I sense much NT in you. > NT leads to Bluescreen. > Bluescreen leads to downtime. > Downtime leads to suffering. > NT is the path to the darkside. > Powerful Unix is. > > Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc > Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:26:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543EE16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:26:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B2343D48 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:26:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1E9QRj42862; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:26:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Erik Norgaard" , Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:26:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <4210624F.9020803@locolomo.org> Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: I have given in trying to install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:26:58 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Erik Norgaard > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:33 AM > To: admin@classicwebsales.com > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: I have given in trying to install > > > > FreeBSD doesn't enable X by default, you will come to appreciate it. X > does not start Gnome or KDE by default, you will come to > apprecieate it. > The reason is that if something is incorrectly configured you can get > into an endless loop with X restarting, and a reinstall being the only > (almost) option. > Not even that. 3/4 of the hardware I have requires modifications to the X config file, most commonly because the monitor cannot handle the highest resolutions and refresh rates of the video hardware. The config files that are generated by the X configuration tools are almost always wrong, for older hardware and displays. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:40:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7571616A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:40:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B6143D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:40:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1E9eQj42928 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:40:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <705761739.20050214062756@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:40:24 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:28 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched. > > > bsdnooby writes: > > > When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new HP Pavilion laptop turns > > itself off. > > While it's rather late for me to make this observation, I find that > computers from big-name vendors tend to show a great deal of > interdependence between the pre-installed OS and the hardware. The > vendors often design the systems around the assumption that the > pre-installed OS (normally Windows) will be the one and only OS on the > machine. There may be tweaks in the OEM installation of the OS that > accommodate tweaks in the hardware, or vice versa. > Generally the MO in the past has been to use the el-cheapo-ist components possible, then when the OEM vendors discover some hardware bug or other shortfall, they have Microsoft help them to write around the problems with various patches, which are included in the OEM version of Windows. While this has (mostly) gone away for desktop systems, it is still going on fiercely with laptops. > > I've seen server machines afflicted in the same way. Compaq has long > had a habit of messing around with this sort of thing, and > unfortunately > HP often makes similar mistakes. > > High-end HP machines even have custom motherboards and a custom BIOS > (both created by HP for HP and with a specific OS in mind), although I > don't think the Pavilion is one of these machines. > First of all HP purchased Compaq a while ago, and when the sale was completed they dumped the Netserver line, servers from them are now HP Proliants. (Proliant was the Compaq line) The Netservers and Proliants in general never had touble with FreeBSD. Considering they certified them with Solaris/Netware/etc. they had to be pretty standard. Secondly, desktop systems from both vendors always sucked in this regard. Compaq even had the audacity one time to modify the Adaptec microcode for the AHA2740 scsi card for the Professional workstation line. > > Ideally, then, for something other than the pre-installed OS (such as > FreeBSD), you're probably better off buying an off-brand PC made from > off-the-shelf components, or building your own machine yourself. Fine advice for low-end servers and desktops. Terrible for high-end servers unless you really, really know what your doing, and you understand that your total cost will be more than if you just buy a turnkey server from someone. And rather impossible for laptops. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:42:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8317316A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:42:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F14543D49 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:42:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dawgeestyle@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so615455rng for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:42:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Tc4sTNpFvRVSVv3TIbwCoZY3bVixDZ1Sn26t9S+BIbJPiaMOzls1uMPm+EuYGdGnn36x0QPE2pDzDhTyImT/qg52e2gPa19f2CfrQT8G8MIt+6jdmsFJOrgG3ddoAyscV7D+dGQ9r+0fHd1qyFxlioLbsB/WXk+DKbOOBwY0OKw= Received: by 10.38.12.52 with SMTP id 52mr26953rnl; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.73.32 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:42:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ae9cd5505021401425aa26a2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:42:12 -0500 From: Benjamin Dover To: Darksidex In-Reply-To: <421070BA.6020809@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> <421070BA.6020809@gmail.com> cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Flash causes Firefox to core dump, which ports should I have installed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Benjamin Dover List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:42:13 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:34:50 +0100, Darksidex wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > Ben Dover escribi=F3: >=20 > | Firefox is my browser of choice but every time I view a web page > | with a Flash object Firefox core dumps. The error is as follows: > | Feb 13 18:57:53 w00f kernel: pid 27652 (firefox-bin), uid 0: exited > | on signal 6 (core dumped). I have installed the following > | relevant ports: /usr/ports/www/firefox > | /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox > | > | I'm confused if I should install the linux-firefox port or the > | other flash port. What is the combination everyone has been having > | good luck with? _______________________________________________ > | freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > | http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To > | unsubscribe, send any mail to > | "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > | > You should install /usr/ports/www/linuxplugginwraper in order to have > flash, real player and java configured in mozilla/firefox. > Yes, you need linux emulation, but it is the best way, or better, the > easiest way. > I have it installed, and it works very well. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >=20 > iD4DBQFCEHC6LWSOuibjjvIRAtM1AJ9RJa2q2V4VpZoUHOMvJOoNZgHdJACWLTtD > uKlPmQmBOKcfhNsEeoIZWQ=3D=3D > =3DuIT4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 >=20 I currently have /www/firefox installed. Does that mean I should also uninstall that port and install /www/linux-firefox also? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:42:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4598516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:42:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out014.verizon.net (out014pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4C443D49 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:42:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out014.verizon.net ESMTP <20050214094212.PFDE28388.out014.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:42:12 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A82072CE747; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:37:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200502140037.30061.reso3w83@verizon.net> <20050214090921.GA36024@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20050214090921.GA36024@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:37:53 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502140137.54963.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:42:12 -0600 cc: portmanager-questions-@sunsite.dk Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:42:14 -0000 On Monday 14 February 2005 01:09 am, you wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:37:28AM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote: > > portupgrade -rf forces the rebuild of the port and ALL of its > > dependencies, and it builds them in the wrong order, it is nothing > > like portmanager. > > > > example: > > > > if the following are installed: > > > > masterPort-0.0 > > dependentPort-A-0.0 > > dependentPort-B-0.0 > > > > then > > > > dependency-A-0.0 is upgraded > > to dependency-A-0.1 > > > > portupgrade -rf masterPort-0.0 > > > > will build the following in the following order: > > > > masterPort-0.0 > > dependentPort-A-0.1 > > dependentPort-B-0.0 > > Maybe I misunderstand what relationship you are thinking of between > these ports, but 'portupgrade -rf dependency-A-0.0' would do > dependency-A, then masterPort, just as below. Are you confusing -r > with -R (which upgrades ports 'in the other direction in the > dependency tree')? If I'm misunderstanding what you mean, can you > spell it out with clearer Makefile fragments (i.e. what RUN_DEPENDS > on what)? Kris, I made a link to the Makefiles I used on the web page, here it is again: http://portmanager.sunsite.dk/portupgradeTest.html and the Makefiles are in http://portmanager.sunsite.dk/distfiles/portUpgradeTest.tar.gz I just tried -Rf on the test set and you are correct, using masterPort as the target: portupgrade -Rf builds masterPorts dependencies in the correct order ie: masterPort dependentPort-A dependentPort-B However, it still builds everthing and has to be applied to one port at a time. The closer analogy to portmanager would have to be portupgrade -aRf but this would result in every installed port being upgraded, where as portmanager will start with out of date dependencies then proceed up the chain to ports that depend on them, it won't rebuild dependencies that were never upgraded. One other thing I might as well mention, portmanager has no run time dependencies, and does not use /usr/ports/INDEX. -Mike > > > portmanager -u will do the following: > > > > dependentPort-A-0.1 > > masterPort-0.0 > > > > There is a huge difference here! Portupgrade > > builds the top level port before it's dependencies, > > then proceeds to build all of the dependencies wither > > they need it or not. > > Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:48:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA0016A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:48:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8F743D45 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:48:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1E9n0j42973 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:49:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:48:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <382521231.20050213212528@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:48:58 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:25 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux > > > Vulpes Velox writes: > > > I think the problem there is ppl make largely pointless differences > > between the two... the only difference between a server and desktop, > > is a desktop needs support sound cards and a the kernel level stuff > > for GL. > > There are dramatic differences between servers and desktops, and they > should not be confused. Anything that runs well as a desktop Anything that is COST EFFECTIVE and that runs well as a desktop.. The main difference between a desktop and a server is a server needs beefy disk I/O or beefy CPU power or both, while a desktop needs beefy video and can often make due with piss-poor disk I/O. While a desktop is USUALLY optimized for the video, and saves money by using poor I/O, and a server vis-versa, if you had unlimited funds you could certainly put a hardware RAID card on your desktop and have an equivalent to the server. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:49:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7A516A4DF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from demas002.adtranz.com (demas002.adtranz.com [213.68.98.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30AD43D46 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mats.lindberg@se.transport.bombardier.com) Received: from EMEAML02.UK.BOMBARDIER.TRANSPORT.COM (emea-ml02 [10.157.248.22]) by demas002.adtranz.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1E9jX3X020332 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:45:33 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0 September 26, 2002 From: mats.lindberg@se.transport.bombardier.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:51:13 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on EMEA-ML02/Server/Transport/Bombardier(Release 6.0.3|September 18, 2003) at 02/14/2005 09:51:13, Serialize complete at 02/14/2005 09:51:13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Kernel preemption X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:06 -0000 Hello, I'm interested in using freebsd in a 'not so realtime, but...' software=20 project. In our running environment there are a 3 processes that need high=20 priority. The processes never need much cpu but they should be able to respond to=20 network (tcp) activity within 10-20ms. I have a testprogram in C that sends ~24kB tcp-messages via a switched=20 ethernet. Sometimes there is a ~250ms delay in receiving (or sending). This could=20 happen after an hour or so. I've tried building a 5.3 system with PREEMPTION and the 4BSD Scheduler.=20 It did not help. I've tried building a 6.0 current system with PREEMPTION and the ULE=20 scheduler. It did not boot. I've tried this on a linux preemptive kernel and it works fine. Is the PREEMPTION option applicable for my problem? Should PREEMPTION work for the 4BSD scheduler? 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Si vous l?avez re=E7u par inadvertance,=20 veuillez nous en aviser et d=E9truire ce message.=20 Merci.=20 =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:49:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1196116A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A8A43D49 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1E9nq1A083559; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:54 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: Gerard Meijer In-Reply-To: <03f501c51276$bf4f18c0$9600000a@guus> References: <03f501c51276$bf4f18c0$9600000a@guus> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:52 +0000 Message-Id: <1108374592.23699.200.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: live mirroring X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:47 -0000 On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 10:22 +0100, Gerard Meijer wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a question. I want to set-up a site on 3 identical FreeBSD servers, using Round Robin to distribute the load. > > The site will be running some .cgi and .php scripts and when those scripts make changes to the configuration files of the sites, they need to be spread automatically to the other two servers. Also when files are uploaded to one server, I need them to automatically upload to the other servers to. > > What is the best program to do this? Or am I looking at it the wrong way and should I do it different? Mirroring is one approach, but here's another: One of the servers holds the data and nfs exports it to the other two. The webroot is on the mounted nfs filesystem. This also eliminates potential data synchronisation problems if you have different filesystems having overlapping/incompatible changes made to them. It lets you invest in one really resilient storage system instead of three possibly inferior ones. Peter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 09:58:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B61616A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:58:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E5843D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:58:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gmeijer@palmweb.nl) Received: from guus (simoon.xs4all.nl [213.84.111.205]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j1E9wqL3086640; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:58:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gmeijer@palmweb.nl) Message-ID: <041901c5127b$deb1d180$9600000a@guus> From: "Gerard Meijer" To: "Peter Risdon" References: <03f501c51276$bf4f18c0$9600000a@guus> <1108374592.23699.200.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:59:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: live mirroring X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:58:55 -0000 Peter, I don't really understand this approach. Where can I read more about nfs? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Risdon" To: "Gerard Meijer" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: live mirroring > On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 10:22 +0100, Gerard Meijer wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a question. I want to set-up a site on 3 identical FreeBSD >> servers, using Round Robin to distribute the load. >> >> The site will be running some .cgi and .php scripts and when those >> scripts make changes to the configuration files of the sites, they need >> to be spread automatically to the other two servers. Also when files are >> uploaded to one server, I need them to automatically upload to the other >> servers to. >> >> What is the best program to do this? Or am I looking at it the wrong way >> and should I do it different? > > Mirroring is one approach, but here's another: > > One of the servers holds the data and nfs exports it to the other two. > The webroot is on the mounted nfs filesystem. This also eliminates > potential data synchronisation problems if you have different > filesystems having overlapping/incompatible changes made to them. It > lets you invest in one really resilient storage system instead of three > possibly inferior ones. > > Peter. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 10:01:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEBC16A4CF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:01:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03AF43D5E for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:01:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost.daemonsecurity.com [127.0.0.1]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449B1FD020; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:01:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <421076D9.40908@locolomo.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:00:57 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BSD Mail References: <8be663db0502140056105c9196@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8be663db0502140056105c9196@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Postfix + Auth + SSL + pop3s/imaps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:01:06 -0000 BSD Mail wrote: > I have a 5.3 Server. I'm planning to install Postfix. > I'm planning to use the Maildir format. > > I'm going to generate my own SSL certificates for mail > and use it for smpts/imaps/pop3s. But I'm not sure what > to use for authentication. I need to have the mail > users/password seperated from the system user/password. > Because some users will only have mail accounts and they > won't have any shell access. You don't _need_ to separate them from the system password file, just give them shell /usr/sbin/nologin, set homedir to /nonexistent, they can still authenticate to fetch mail. Secondly, if users should receive mail, postfix must know about them. This is normally done by lookup in the password file. > I read about different auth mechanism and I know for sure that > Plain Login is not what I want. I need DIGEST-MD5. I'm looking > for something easier than SASL to configure. On my test server > I tried to configure SASL and couldn't get DIGEST-MD5 to work. > Any suggestion ? SASL isn't difficult too if you use the system password file. Just set pwcheck_method: saslauthd mech_list: plain login in /usr/local/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf, remember to start saslauthd. Sasl supports different schemes, I have only been able to make plain work, maybe the others require use of sasldb. > Someone mentioned that I shouldn't worry about the authentication > if it's Plain or Login because I'm going to use SSL and that would > encrypt both Login and the data channel. I'm not sure if this is > 100% true. Any idea ? First, your users don't have shell access, a compromise is a compromise of their privacy not your system - ofcourse their privacy should be protected, but it makes their account less interesting. Using ssl/tls you are tunnelling clear text passwords through an encrypted connection. This protects against sniffing. > Last but not least, I'm going to add on top of all that a webmail. > probably Openwebmail or squirrelmail. Which one of them > would work better with all what I mentioned earlier: I use squirrelmail, don't worry too much about that, squirrelmail connects through imap, so you server must support imap. The web interface must be setup with ssl also. > I was checking one of squirrelmail password plugins and I read this sentence: > "Cyrus SASL includes a shell utility called "saslpasswd" for manipulating user > passwords in the "sasldb" database. This patch attempts to use this utility to > perform password manipulations required by your squirrelmail users without any > administrative interaction. Unfortunately, this scheme requires that the > "saslpasswd" utility be run as the "cyrus" user - a horrible security problem > since we have chosen to SUID a small script which will allow this to happen." You will always have a security concern when letting some program mess with passwords. Ofcourse this is particularly important if it messes with system password file. An alternative is to employ eg. a ldap server - same problem, but at least you get things separated. > I'm pretty confused about the authentication method to use. I'm trying to run > everything as secure as possible. I configured Postfix to run chrooted. > and I'm going to use SSL for sure. What auth should I choose for smtp ? Ok, I have pretty much the setup you want, except that I use cyrus-imap which does not use Maildir nor Mailbox. Postfix can be setup to use saslauth, it can be configured only to accept authentication through encrypted connection using ssl. postfix supports the recommended use of start_tls to start an encrypted connection on the default port 25 instead of smtps. I am not clear on how cyrus-imap supports this, or it's my mail program. The only reason not to use cyrus-imap is that you will have to authenticate (again) if you read mail on the console, eg. using pine. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 10:08:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD4816A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:08:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C48B43D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:08:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1EA8fMr083633; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:08:41 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: Gerard Meijer In-Reply-To: <041901c5127b$deb1d180$9600000a@guus> References: <03f501c51276$bf4f18c0$9600000a@guus> <1108374592.23699.200.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> <041901c5127b$deb1d180$9600000a@guus> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:08:40 +0000 Message-Id: <1108375720.23699.208.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: live mirroring X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:08:32 -0000 On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 10:59 +0100, Gerard Meijer wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Risdon" > To: "Gerard Meijer" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: live mirroring > > > > On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 10:22 +0100, Gerard Meijer wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have a question. I want to set-up a site on 3 identical FreeBSD > >> servers, using Round Robin to distribute the load. > >> > >> The site will be running some .cgi and .php scripts and when those > >> scripts make changes to the configuration files of the sites, they need > >> to be spread automatically to the other two servers. Also when files are > >> uploaded to one server, I need them to automatically upload to the other > >> servers to. > >> > >> What is the best program to do this? Or am I looking at it the wrong way > >> and should I do it different? > > > > Mirroring is one approach, but here's another: > > > > One of the servers holds the data and nfs exports it to the other two. > > The webroot is on the mounted nfs filesystem. This also eliminates > > potential data synchronisation problems if you have different > > filesystems having overlapping/incompatible changes made to them. It > > lets you invest in one really resilient storage system instead of three > > possibly inferior ones. > > I don't really understand this approach. Where can I read more about nfs? man mountd and man exports, together with the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nfs.html Here's a page with diagrams - it's for a mail server cluster, the storage is an external raid system and there are two nfs servers, to provide extra resilience, but the idea is the same: http://www.shupp.org/maps/ispcluster.html Peter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 10:31:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8608916A4CF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:31:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0837E43D1D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:31:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1EAVYj43573 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:31:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:31:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <1479247773.20050213212204@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:31:32 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:22 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > In any case, it's all completely unnecessary, since you can simply run > real Windows instead and get 100% compatibility with better performance > and stability. > Actually that's not always true. Back in the mid 90's when IBM was into the windows emulation thing under OS/2, they did some time trials of Windows applications running under straight Windows vs running under Windows-that-was-running-on -top-of-OS/2. The apps ran faster in the non-native (OS/2) Windows, mainly because Microsoft's disk routines were so terrible. > > Why? > > Because I run specific applications for specific purposes. The > applications are what's important; the OS is not. WRONG, the specific purpose is what's important, not the tool to accomplish it. If someone contracts with you to create an image and give the output to them as a photoshop source file, then obviously in that case Photoshop is a requirement. But if the same person wants the output as a tiff image, then there is no requirement to use photoshop, there are many other tools to create an image and output in tiff. > So if I > decide that I > need Photoshop, I run an OS that supports Photoshop. Simple. > But if your not needing to supply photoshop output, then you aren't actually "needing" to use it. Your "choosing" to use it. Which means that you COULD switch over to 100% UNIX if you selected other tools to use. So, unless your being required to output in photoshop files, you can't use Photoshop as a reason that you "can't" switch. People always use the line "I have to run (insert here) Word, Excel, Powerpoint, etc. etc. because my boss tells me to do so, that is why I can't switch" But this is MOSTLY in my experience, a load of bullcrap. Most of them could work up their business letter in any old wordprocessor, work up their spreadsheet in any old spreadsheet program, work up their presentation in any old presentation program. As long as the work got done, their boss is going to be happy. But people like to say this to give themselves an excuse for not having to learn how to use a new program. You should hear the whining and pissing and moaning in a typical office every time Microsoft upgrades one of their program and a new version comes out. It's the same issue. People just don't like learning how to do something in a new way, that's all it is. It doesen't mean they couldn't do it, though. > > There are hundreds of thousands of applications that run on Windows; > something for just about everyone. > This is baloney. There may be several hundred thousand Windows apps out there but there are only a few hundred that most Windows users use. > > Professional webmasters generally build their sites with text editors. > No they don't, they use HTML editors which while they have a section that is text input, they do a lot of other things as well. An accurate statement would be that professional webmasters generally use text to build their sites, but it's absurd to imply that they use vi or notepad for this. > > If you want control and input, you use Notepad to build your site, or > the equivalent. > And if you want to be professional about it and get the thing done in time, you use Macromedia Homesite or something equivalent. (and no Homesite isn't a point-and-click website builder) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 10:40:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FD816A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:40:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dave.horsfall.org (mrdavi2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.75.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5FC43D39 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:40:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by dave.horsfall.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j1EAeeK22645 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:40:40 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:40:39 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050213205245.J94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> Message-ID: References: <20050211034704.17082.qmail@mail.datahive.ca> <20050213205245.J94542@kenmore.kozy-kabin.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FusionPHP.net - Online Again Now!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:40:46 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: > > Just another dirty spammer trick... > > The timing on this was nothing less than eerie because less than an hour > before that post came over, I'd been sitting on their site reading up on > FAQ's, forum problem posts etc with a view to installing the 'app. On their > homepage *was* a notice that they had just come back online after having > changed provider. > As you so presciently said, upon reading the post, my reaction *was* indeed; > "w0000t? eh?". However, the guys that wrote the app seem like eminently > reasonable sober sensible people, this just didn't sound like their style. > Thanks for the explanation! Of course, there is a chance that it was genuine, but the odds are against it. If you checked the IP address of the sender i.e. when it it the mailing list server and looked it up in www.openrbl.org you'll probably find it's an open proxy. I no longer have the post, so I can't tell. -- Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 10:48:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8801B16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:48:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A8DBF43D69 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:48:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ph.schulz@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Feb 2005 10:48:18 -0000 Received: from dsl-084-056-226-056.arcor-ip.net (EHLO [192.168.1.5]) (84.56.226.56) by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 11:48:18 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1954550 Message-ID: <421081D0.4090904@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:47:44 +0100 From: Phil Schulz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050123 X-Accept-Language: de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Dover References: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4BC71CB48CD12A9B13787A75" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash causes Firefox to core dump, which ports should I have installed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:48:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4BC71CB48CD12A9B13787A75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 02/14/05 02:48, Ben Dover wrote: > Firefox is my browser of choice but every time I view a web page with > a Flash object Firefox core dumps. The error is as follows: Feb 13 > 18:57:53 w00f kernel: pid 27652 (firefox-bin), uid 0: exited on signal > 6 (core dumped). I have installed the following relevant ports: > /usr/ports/www/firefox > /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox > I'm not sure if the following applies to your problem, but you might want to try it anyways. I use Mozilla and it appeared to crash a lot recently. Everytime it crashed, a message like the one you mention was printed to the console. When I started Mozilla from a shell (instead of from the Gnome menu), I noticed that when Mozilla exited, a message like > Fatal error 'Recurse on a private mutex.' at line 988 in file /usr/src/lib/libpthread/thread/thr_mutex.c (errno = 0) > Abort trap was printed to the terminal. Searching the CVS log for the file revealed that apparently www/linuxpluginwrapper needs to be rebuild. It seems that upgrading that port has fixed my problems. Well, I think this applies only to 5-Stable after Feb 4th, 2005, and since you didn't mention which version you're running I don't know if it applies to your problem. HTH, Phil. --------------enig4BC71CB48CD12A9B13787A75 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEIHUqLHhR7u0/3URArG5AJ9L9xPCuBI4OUdq95H1rGRK/BpcKACfd/dq bAJ6BWNAHBcMYa2WRBQs1dM= =+Rud -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4BC71CB48CD12A9B13787A75-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 11:11:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB2116A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:11:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CC743D45 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:11:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by nagual.st with local; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:11:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:11:22 +0100 To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <20050214111122.GA7268@lothlorien.nagual.st> References: <1479247773.20050213212204@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i From: Dick Hoogendijk Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:11:24 -0000 On 14 Feb Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > > Atkielski Just curious. Why do you keep replying Anthony in such a professional way if all he does is promoting windows again and again. He uses windows on the desktop. Period. He won't change that. He only uses unix on his servers and keeps on stating that the real quality is and wil be a server-role. I value your contributions to the discussion highly. You seem to be open minded and serious. That makes good reading ;-) -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 11:24:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C6816A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:24:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225A643D3F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:24:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by nagual.st with local; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:24:07 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:24:07 +0100 To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <20050214112407.GB7268@lothlorien.nagual.st> References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <44is5imspz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <420FD249.4060408@mac.com> <2147483647.1108326906@[192.168.2.100]> <20050214023836.GA27431@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050214023836.GA27431@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i From: Dick Hoogendijk Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:24:09 -0000 On 13 Feb Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 08:35:06PM -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > > --On Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:18 PM -0500 Chuck Swiger > > wrote: > > > > > >Did you read /usr/ports/UPDATING? It contains a suggestion for how to > > >update the Perl ports which might have helped... > > > > > Well, no. Why on earth would I do *that*? ;-) > > > > (Thanks for the tip. I ran it.) I wonder why the perl port doesn't > > include this command in a post-install script? > > It's a once-off change needed when updating from an older version, and > the post-install script (or any other part of the port build) doesn't > know that this is what is happening. Meaning I don't run this update script when updating perl from say "5.8.5" to "5.8.6" ? That all I have to do then is run "use.perl ports" ? -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 11:47:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C08316A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:47:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27E243D3F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:47:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1EBlWj43865; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Dick Hoogendijk" , "freebsd-questions" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:47:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <20050214111122.GA7268@lothlorien.nagual.st> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:47:34 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Dick > Hoogendijk > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:11 AM > To: freebsd-questions > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > On 14 Feb Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > > > Atkielski > > Just curious. Why do you keep replying Anthony in such a professional > way if all he does is promoting windows again and again. I'm not actually replying to Anthony, because all Anthony is doing is parroting all of the same, tired old objections to use of FreeBSD on the desktop that are always raised. I'm replying to those same, tired old objections for the benefit of the newcomers to the list who might (understandably) assume that Anthony has some deep insight on the matter. Like Anthony, I do use Windows on the desktop myself. But not exclusively. And, much more importantly, I will readily admit that I haven't switched over not because I'm claiming I can't, I haven't switched over because of laziness. In my case I unfortunately decided it might be a good thing to use a Microsoft client mail program to handle e-mail. This was a decade ago. I now have around ten thousand archived e-mail messages accumulated in a massive *.pst file that I really want to keep - not because I want to look at all of them again some day, but because from time to time I have to go digging around in that archive looking for some specific piece from some specific person - sometimes these messages might be 5-6 years old. One of these days though when I get some time, that file is going to get exported so that I can get out of dealing with Outlook. As it is now, Outlook is barely able to manage the archive, and usually crashes a couple times a day. And it's such a well written program that when that happens, something internal to Windows gets jammed up and I have to do a shutdown and restart. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 12:57:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC67E16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:57:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7AB43D45 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:57:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396C8354292; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:57:04 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <200502131614.09991.ean@hedron.org> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <1453180591.20050213095312@wanadoo.fr> <200502131614.09991.ean@hedron.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:57:05 -0500 To: Ean Kingston X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: Anthony Atkielski cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X on a server Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:57:07 -0000 On Feb 13, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Ean Kingston wrote: > On February 13, 2005 03:53 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: >>> You can install the X libraries and client apps on your server -- >>> this >>> works fine at secure level 3 and does not require kernel >>> configurations >>> changes or special daemons or anything. What it allows you to do is >>> then link software against the X libraries and then redirect the >>> display to your workstations X server. This meets your criteria and >>> can be handy for certain things. Your apps still run in userland >>> only >>> and there is no HW touching stuff. You are not running the X Server >>> on >>> your FBSD Server machine. >> >> I'll consider it, although it still sounds complicated. >> >> What do I gain from X that I don't already have with remote terminal >> sessions like those created with SecureCRT? I know it looks pretty, >> but >> what server-related things can I do with X that I cannot do with >> ordinary terminals? I'm not aware of anything right now; it seems >> that >> everything can be done from a command line (thank goodness--working >> with >> Windows is a nightmare precisely _because_ so many things cannot be >> done >> from a command line). > > I run an XLoad app on every server with the display on my desktop (set > to > update once a minute. It lets me keep an eye on the general health of > the > servers during the day. Asside from that I haven't found a truely > useful GUI > app for servers. I don't know if this counts at all (especially since it's not FBSD), and I'm loathe to say positive things about NetWare, but I remember reading their "Snakes" screensaver was actually a load meter...the bigger the load on the server, the longer the tales on the snakes and the faster they moved on the screen. -Bart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 13:50:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E269416A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:50:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from monty.netsource.ie (monty.netsource.ie [212.17.32.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DB343D3F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:50:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from domain.admin@online.ie) Received: from web2.www.online.ie (www.online.ie [213.159.130.72] (may be forged)) by monty.netsource.ie (8.12.3/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EDo7wJ030241 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:50:07 GMT Received: (from nobody@localhost)freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:50:01 GMT Received: from 217.68.80.52 ([217.68.80.52]) by mail.online.ie (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:50:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1108389001.4210ac89766a6@mail.online.ie> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:50:01 +0100 From: Hiram Abiff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 217.68.80.52 X-CanItPRO-Stream: webmail X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 4802594 - c6c26144bbc0 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 212.17.32.57 Subject: ppp_mode and ipfw X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:50:11 -0000 Hi! I've been trying to set up ipfw on my FreeBSD box which I use as a gateway to the Internet on my LAN. I compiled the kernel with options IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT, edited rc.conf and some other files. Now I have 2 problems: 1.) Each time FreeBSD boots ppp automatically establishes a connection via ISDN. I do not want it to do that, I want the connection to be established when some of the other 2 boxes I have on my LAN run software that demands an internet connection. For Example, if I run firefox on my linux box, i want the FreeBSD box to receive the linux boxes request for a connection and dial my ISP via ISDN. In rc.conf I set ppp_mode="auto" because in ppp's man page it says that this is the correct mode for on-demand connection. 2.) Although I set up my firewall rules I cannot acces anything on the outside net anymore, and my other 2 boxes can't acces the Internet after setting aup the firewall. Also I cannot acces the squid proxy I set up on my FreeBSD box anymore. All of this was working before I set up the firewall. What am I doing wrong? Why can't I access the net outside my home LAN and why doesn't squid work anymore? Here's my firewall rule file: fwcmd="/sbin/ipfw" #Outside interface oif="tun0" #Inside interface iif="rl0" # Force a flushing of the current rules before reload $fwcmd -f flush #Check the state of all packets $fwcmd add check-state #Divert all packets through the tunnel interface. $fwcmd add divert natd all from any to any via oif # Allow all data from my network card and localhost $fwcmd add allow all from any to any via lo0 $fwcmd add allow ip from any to any via $ii0 # Allow all connections that I initiate $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any out xmit oif setup # Once connections are made, allow them to stay open $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any via oif established # Everyone on the internet is allowed to connect $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 22 setup $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 21 setup $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 8080 setup $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 53 setup $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 4662 setup $fwcmd add allow udp from any to any 4672 setup # This sends a RESET to all ident packets $fwcmd add reset log tcp from any to any 113 in recv oif # Allow outgoing DNS queries ONLY to the specified servers $fwcmd add allow udp from any to 161.53.114.135 53 out xmit tun0 $fwcmd add allow udp from any to 161.53.114.145 53 out xmit tun0 # Allow them back in with the answers $fwcmd add allow udp from 161.53.114.135 53 to any in recv oif $fwcmd add allow udp from 161.53.114.145 53 to any in recv oif # Allow ICMP $fwcmd add 65435 allow icmp from any to any # Deny all the rest. #$fwcmd add 65435 deny log ip from any to any -- "It was as though a veil had been rent. I saw on that ivory face the expression of sombre pride, of ruthless power, of craven terror -- of an intense and hopeless despair. Did he live his life again in every detail of desire, temptation, and surrender during that supreme moment of complete knowledge?" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 13:57:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D371E16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:57:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ni-mail2.dna.utvinternet.net (ni-mail2.dna.utvinternet.net [194.46.8.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F2A43D48 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:57:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fergus@cobbled.net) Received: from eyore.cobbled.net (unverified [195.218.110.5]) by ni-mail2.dna.utvinternet.net for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:57:33 +0000 Received: from eyore.public.cobbled.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eyore.cobbled.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EDxBYC047195 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:59:11 GMT (envelope-from fergus@eyore.public.cobbled.net) Received: (from fergus@localhost) by eyore.public.cobbled.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j1EDxAWo047194 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:59:10 GMT (envelope-from fergus) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:59:10 +0000 From: Fergus Cameron To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050214135910.GB45930@eyore.cobbled.net> Mail-Followup-To: Fergus Cameron , questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: cvsup SetAttrs weirdness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:57:35 -0000 been running cvsup to gather a complete repo for a few days now. all is well except that when i change the prermissions on the directories (to allow group reads) the following cvsup will ommit : Updating collection src-all/cvs : SetAttrs src/bin messages and change the permissions back to 755. very annoying. i've checked my cvsup config file and i don't have the 'preserve' keyword anywhere. anyone shed some light or offer a workaround? cheers, -- : fergus cameron : -cameron------------ : : ^^^^^^@cameron-consulting.ie : ---------consulting- : From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 14:02:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7945E16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:02:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BEE43D46 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:02:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1EE2WRI084184; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:02:32 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: Hiram Abiff In-Reply-To: <1108389001.4210ac89766a6@mail.online.ie> References: <1108389001.4210ac89766a6@mail.online.ie> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:02:32 +0000 Message-Id: <1108389752.23699.216.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ppp_mode and ipfw X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:02:25 -0000 On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 14:50 +0100, Hiram Abiff wrote: > Hi! > > I've been trying to set up ipfw on my FreeBSD box > which I use as a gateway to the Internet on my LAN. > > I compiled the kernel with options IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT, > edited rc.conf and some other files. > > Now I have 2 problems: > > 1.) Each time FreeBSD boots ppp automatically establishes > a connection via ISDN. I do not want it to do that, I want > the connection to be established when some of the other > 2 boxes I have on my LAN run software that demands an > internet connection. > > For Example, if I run firefox on my linux box, i want > the FreeBSD box to receive the linux boxes request > for a connection and dial my ISP via ISDN. > > In rc.conf I set ppp_mode="auto" because in ppp's man > page it says that this is the correct mode for > on-demand connection. > A quick note on this first problem: The auto setting is correct for ppp. This will connect whenever anything seeks a route for which the ppp link is necessary. When your machine boots, several things, potentially, will want an internet connection. sendmail is one example. To prevent this from happening, you'll have to disable all the processes that want to do any, for example, dns lookups as they start. So ppp is behaving correctly, but not as you expected. Peter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 14:06:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BAC16A4D9 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:06:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www6.web2010.com (www6.web2010.com [216.157.5.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F3D43D53 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:06:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MLandman@face2interface.com) Received: from Delliver.face2interface.com (inoc202-203.veranet.net [216.238.202.203] (may be forged)) by www6.web2010.com (8.12.10/8.9.0) with ESMTP id j1EE5QD7020725; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:05:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050214090115.03f64de8@mail.face2interface.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:05:42 -0500 To: "Thomas Foster" , From: Marty Landman In-Reply-To: <00e001c51244$61dd0d00$4300a8c0@ostros> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213205129.01dfab48@mail.face2interface.com> <00e001c51244$61dd0d00$4300a8c0@ostros> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:06:24 -0000 At 10:22 PM 2/13/2005, Thomas Foster wrote: >Install the bootloader to sector 0 of the first drive in the system.. you >can also use GRUB or GAG I don't see where that is an option. IOW I first installed windows 98 on the entire first ide - of three, 4 gb, 4 gb, & 6 gb. Then when I formatted for fbsd during the install allocated the second and third ide's and set up the fbsd bootloader for the second ide which contains /, and a normal mbr on the third. A bit confused now. Marty Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 14:20:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912C516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:20:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.notarius.org (smtp.notarius.org [207.253.43.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10E343D2D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:20:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david.robillard@notarius.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:20:29 -0500 Message-ID: <7E329942919D504787E9424F728893F8013E0478@EMMA.notarius.lan> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: live mirroring Thread-Index: AcUSoFYGCnQsshh6Q2+CggluwFpo8w== From: "David Robillard" To: "Gerard Meijer" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: live mirroring X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:20:31 -0000 > Hi all, >=20 > I have a question. I want to set-up a site on 3 identical FreeBSD=20 > servers, using Round Robin to distribute the load. >=20 > The site will be running some .cgi and .php scripts and when those=20 > scripts make changes to the configuration files of the sites, they=20 > need to be spread automatically to the other two servers. Also when=20 > files are uploaded to one server, I need them to automatically upload=20 > to the other servers to. >=20 > What is the best program to do this? Or am I looking at it the wrong=20 > way and should I do it different? Take a look at cfengine: http://www.cfengine.org/ (don't mind the ugly web page). This program is used at many very large installations to make sure every machine has the right configuration files. Clients query a master at each interval to check if their configuration has changed. Thus instead of having to log on to each machines to change the configs (which is error prone, not to mention long and painfull),=20 you simply change the file on the master and let it distribute itself. It's relatively easy to setup and works very well. Cheers, David -- David Robillard UNIX systems administrator david.robillard@notarius.com Notarius (TSIN) Inc. 465, rue St-Jean, suite 200 Montreal, Quebec, H2Y 2R6 Tel. : +1 514 966 0122 Fax. : +1 514 281 1226 http://www.notarius.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 15:00:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C5F16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:00:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from enigmedia.com (mail.enigmedia.com [207.158.46.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C7F43D5A for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:00:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aklist_061666@enigmedia.com) Received: from ANDREW9KNFJ0JD (68.161.247.47) by enigmedia.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2.6) for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:00:22 -0500 Message-ID: <015d01c512a5$f9d24ce0$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> From: "aklist_061666" To: References: <010e01c51076$41b714f0$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> <441xbk4hcq.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:00:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: Newbie: BIND conf "file not found" error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:00:23 -0000 Hi Lowell: From the command line it runs fine. So, are you suggesting that the process doesn't have permissions to open the file? If so, wouldn't I see a permissions error message instead of file-not-found? TIA, AK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Gilbert" To: "aklist_061666" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Newbie: BIND conf "file not found" error > "aklist_061666" writes: > >> One last question on configuring Named to run: >> >> I'm able to start BIND from the command line with: >> >> /usr/sbin/named -c /etc/named.conf >> >> but when I modify my rc.conf file with: >> >> named_enable="YES" >> named_program="/usr/sbin/named" >> named_flags="-u bind -c /etc/named.conf" >> >> I get an error on startup: >> >> Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: none:0 open: /etc/named.conf: file not >> found >> Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: loading configruation: file not found >> Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: exiting (due to fatal error) >> >> what's wrong with my config-file path parameter in rc.conf? > > Permisssions? Try running it from the command line the same way you > do from the startup scripts. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 15:00:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3086416A4CF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:00:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A887843D1D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:00:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from teodorescu@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so658374rnf for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CxcmDzJMkmJw6b/zudEOd29Pf68iPmJELGCs6UDASm4dvsKWQu2nw7rIrvpeDPeP4SP8/8V3epTB8aJUaCdADvliMO68y8ElKHBvvOzHPHs0b93471P9Lzfy02FpRu7gD3cQnWjdV601Fusob8GZMvuOB1wK0k+zZ1jc5DyqejY= Received: by 10.39.3.3 with SMTP id f3mr82314rni; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.82.55 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:56:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:56:14 +0200 From: Cristian Teodorescu To: questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ATI 9000 IGP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Cristian Teodorescu List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:00:32 -0000 Hello, I have a Acer Travelmate 2000 with ATI 9000 IGP graphic card due to this all devices from computer are seen as produced by ATI inclusive soud card that is a Realtek ALS650 AC'97. Currently I am using Freebsd 5.2.1, everything works except for sound. I think all it need to be modified is some PCI id in the sound subsystem but I did not managed to find where realtek driver is. The card id for sound id 0x41431002 as reported by pciconf -lv. Can anybody tell me where i can find the realtek driver in order to fix it? Any help will be aprecieted. -- Bye, Cristian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 15:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0AD16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50904.mail.yahoo.com (web50904.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 53E9F43D2F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:10:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from siro200@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 38117 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2005 15:10:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 15:20:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7869816A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:20:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B2C43D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:20:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j1EFKVD13483; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:20:31 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502141520.j1EFKVD13483@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: MLandman@face2interface.com (Marty Landman) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:20:30 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213205129.01dfab48@mail.face2interface.com> from "Marty Landman" at Feb 13, 2005 08:53:40 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:20:36 -0000 > > I must've goofed somehow. Left windows 98 on the primary master ide and > installed fbsd 5.2 on the other two ide's; installation seemed to go well, > and I installed the bootmgr on the first of the two ide's that fbsd is on. > However when I reboot from the hard drive go right into windows. > > Where did I go wrong, and how do I fix it? The MBR has to be installed on the first disk found in the boot list which will most likely be the one with Winxxx on it - your description sounds like that and anyway MS doesn't like to be installed anywhere else. The MBR should also be on the other two disks, but definitely must be on that first one. Then you have to install a boot sector on those two disks. The MS MBR doesn't know how to boot anything but an MS system. Basically, when the system boots, it starts with the BIOS. The BIOS looks at its list of boot devices according to how it is configured and begins to check them in order. It tries to boot from the first device in its list that has an MBR. That MBR is what then may look at the other disks for a bootable slice. The MS MBR doesn't know how to recognize any other type of system or boot anything but MS stuff. So, you have to make sure that the first device that the BIOS finds with an MBR has a FreeBSD (or other intelligent) MBR that knows how to boot anything. The FreeBSD MBR will boot any of the systems with a standard boot sequence, but it is a little limited in its ability to label them. It has labels for a few, such as FreeBSD, MS-DOS, some LINUXen. But it doesn't have names for many others such as MS with an NTFS slice. It will boot any of these including the ones it doesn't have names for, but it just puts up ??? for the name in the boot menu of ones it doesn't have names for. That is not really a problem, though it can be confusing on a machine if you have one FreeBSD slice and three bootable slices with system that say ??? for the name. You have to remember which ??? is which... For that reasonable reason plus other prejudices many people install a third part MBR/loader such as Grub. But, it isn't essential to get things to work. The second thing you did wrong is installing F-5.2. If you want 5.xxx then install 5.3 (or at least 5.2.1). FreeBSD 5.2 was almost immediately supplanted because of problems - probably not related to your current situation, but you don't want it anyway. ////jerry > > Marty > > > Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 > Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml > Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 15:36:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0966016A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:36:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.golden.net (smtp.golden.net [199.166.210.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DC543D2D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:36:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gldisater@gto.net) Received: from 179-189.speede.golden.net ([216.75.179.189]) by smtp.golden.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1D0iHM-000N9F-Sz; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:36:52 -0500 Message-ID: <4210C5AD.7070402@gto.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:37:17 -0500 From: Jeremy Faulkner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Snopy Land References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: remove cpu in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:36:54 -0000 Snopy Land wrote: > Hi, > > I am a newbie to freebsd, I need to remove one cpu from my freebsd > (5.2.1-release version) server. > Do I need to recompile my kernel? If yes, any hints? > Or I can just shutdown, remove the cpu and reboot the machine ? > > Thanks a lot. shutdown, remove, boot. -- Jeremy Faulkner From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:05:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF54916A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:05:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.rtl.org (rtl-3.i2k.com [66.255.200.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B69943D1F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:05:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jstewart@rtl.org) Received: from mis3c.rtl.lan (rtl-2.i2k.com [66.255.200.206]) by mail.rtl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF5530ABE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by mis3c.rtl.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A77C3128AEA; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:05:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:05:44 -0500 From: Jason Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050214160544.GD21145@rtl.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050213035439.GU8619@alzatex.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:05:31 -0000 On 12/02/05 19:54 -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > > What do you do with ham radio on freebsd? I haven't looked into it > much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device > drivers for freebsd as linux has. I like how debian actually has a ham > radio section for it. I'd like to try out some of the digital radio > stuff like AX.25 > Could be because Mr. Alan cox himself wrote much of the kernel space Ham radio software for Linux. I could be wrong but I don't see a major push by any one influential FreeBSD kernel hacker to get Ham stuff in the kernel. Jason From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3903216A501 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:05:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www6.web2010.com (www6.web2010.com [216.157.5.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD34943D2D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:05:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MLandman@face2interface.com) Received: from Delliver.face2interface.com (inoc202-203.veranet.net [216.238.202.203] (may be forged)) by www6.web2010.com (8.12.10/8.9.0) with ESMTP id j1EG4wD7021332; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:05:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050214104157.03952230@mail.face2interface.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:05:18 -0500 To: Jerry McAllister From: Marty Landman In-Reply-To: <200502141520.j1EFKVD13483@clunix.cl.msu.edu> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050213205129.01dfab48@mail.face2interface.com> <200502141520.j1EFKVD13483@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:05:37 -0000 Does this mean I should start over, installing fbsd first and setting aside a slice on the first disk (second slice say) for windows? If I do that, will windows be able to format that second slice, i.e. will it see it as a partition? Marty At 10:20 AM 2/14/2005, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > I must've goofed somehow. Left windows 98 on the primary master ide and > > installed fbsd 5.2 on the other two ide's; installation seemed to go well, > > and I installed the bootmgr on the first of the two ide's that fbsd is on. > > However when I reboot from the hard drive go right into windows. > > > > Where did I go wrong, and how do I fix it? > >The MBR has to be installed on the first disk found in the boot list >which will most likely be the one with Winxxx on it - your description >sounds like that and anyway MS doesn't like to be installed anywhere >else. The MBR should also be on the other two disks, but definitely >must be on that first one. Then you have to install a boot sector >on those two disks. The MS MBR doesn't know how to boot anything >but an MS system. > >Basically, when the system boots, it starts with the BIOS. The BIOS >looks at its list of boot devices according to how it is configured >and begins to check them in order. It tries to boot from the first >device in its list that has an MBR. That MBR is what then may look >at the other disks for a bootable slice. The MS MBR doesn't know how >to recognize any other type of system or boot anything but MS stuff. >So, you have to make sure that the first device that the BIOS finds >with an MBR has a FreeBSD (or other intelligent) MBR that knows how >to boot anything. > >The FreeBSD MBR will boot any of the systems with a standard boot sequence, >but it is a little limited in its ability to label them. It has labels for >a few, such as FreeBSD, MS-DOS, some LINUXen. But it doesn't have names >for many others such as MS with an NTFS slice. It will boot any of these >including the ones it doesn't have names for, but it just puts up ??? for >the name in the boot menu of ones it doesn't have names for. That is not >really a problem, though it can be confusing on a machine if you have >one FreeBSD slice and three bootable slices with system that say ??? for >the name. You have to remember which ??? is which... > >For that reasonable reason plus other prejudices many people install >a third part MBR/loader such as Grub. But, it isn't essential to >get things to work. > >The second thing you did wrong is installing F-5.2. If you want 5.xxx >then install 5.3 (or at least 5.2.1). FreeBSD 5.2 was almost immediately >supplanted because of problems - probably not related to your current >situation, but you don't want it anyway. > >////jerry > > > > > Marty > > > > > > Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 > > Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml > > Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:13:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A34716A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:13:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4211F43D55 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:13:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 24AA21C0004B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:13:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9EA9F1C00046 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:13:41 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050214161341655.9EA9F1C00046@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:13:40 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <54746435.20050214171340@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <86y8drfwp6.fsf@amidala.datadok.no> References: <1408311710.20050213221610@wanadoo.fr> <86y8drfwp6.fsf@amidala.datadok.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:13:43 -0000 Peter N. M. Hansteen writes: > copyright assignment isn't entirely doable in all jurisdictions, and > beside the point. Generally, commercial rights can always be assigned. Moral rights often cannot be assigned, but since they are practically worthless, this usually isn't a problem. > i assume you have been told about the 'published under a license' > phenomenon. You need written documentation of a license, signed by the copyright holder. You need this for every module or group of modules that is copyrighted by any specific person or entity. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:15:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CE416A4CF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:15:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D114043D1D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:15:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 353831C000B4 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:15:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 11F401C00085 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:15:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050214161547738.11F401C00085@mwinf1104.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:15:46 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <359956531.20050214171546@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050214075442.GA95608@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <1337541312.20050212132519@wanadoo.fr> <156527043.20050212140322@wanadoo.fr> <20050214075442.GA95608@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:15:48 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas writes: > Hmmm, how? There are several ways. I'll leave speculation on that as an exercise for the reader. > Very little can be said about a black box system. It's not a black box. Much of it is pretty well documented, although some of the documentation is now out of print, I think. > Now, when this is compared to something that is documented, clearly and > visibly, in an open source tree... we can see why the apparent stability > of NT is worth very little :-( Being documented and being readily accessible are two different things. The whole of medicine is very well documented by just about any decent public library, but that doesn't mean that having access to a library can make you a doctor. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:16:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A7416A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:16:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A2B43D1D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:16:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j1EGGE013701; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502141616.j1EGGE013701@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: MLandman@face2interface.com (Marty Landman) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:16:13 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050214104157.03952230@mail.face2interface.com> from "Marty Landman" at Feb 14, 2005 11:05:18 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Jerry McAllister cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:16:19 -0000 > > Does this mean I should start over, installing fbsd first and setting aside > a slice on the first disk (second slice say) for windows? No, definitely not. > If I do that, will windows be able to format that second slice, i.e. will > it see it as a partition? No, that doesn't matter at all. MS does not play friendly with any other system. You have to install it first and then any other UNIX type system or at least reinstall the MBR after installing MS - best to just do MS first and then FreeBSD. What happens is that MS will overwrite any boot information you install with FreeBSD or any third party booter (Grub, Gag, etc) and wipe it out. Since the MS booter refuses to know anything about any other system, you have to install it first, and then tell FreeBSD (or third party booter) to install over top of it. You cannot get a Win-98 system to boot to FreeBSD or Linux or whatever. It refuses to know anything except Win-98 no matter which order you do it. You have to have the FreeBSD (or lilo, etc) in there last because it knows how to boot to everything. So, make sure MS-98 or whatever is there and happy and then do the FreeBSD install and tell it to put an MBR in the the first disk as well as the others. It will then work just fine (other than maybe seeing some ??? in the boot menu - although MS-98 is old enough and doesn't use NTFS so the FreeBSD MBR should know enough to name it MSDOS). Since you plan to put FreeBSD on a separate disk, you don't have to do anything about resizing any of the MS slice. ////jerry > > Marty > > At 10:20 AM 2/14/2005, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > > > I must've goofed somehow. Left windows 98 on the primary master ide and > > > installed fbsd 5.2 on the other two ide's; installation seemed to go well, > > > and I installed the bootmgr on the first of the two ide's that fbsd is on. > > > However when I reboot from the hard drive go right into windows. > > > > > > Where did I go wrong, and how do I fix it? > > > >The MBR has to be installed on the first disk found in the boot list > >which will most likely be the one with Winxxx on it - your description > >sounds like that and anyway MS doesn't like to be installed anywhere > >else. The MBR should also be on the other two disks, but definitely > >must be on that first one. Then you have to install a boot sector > >on those two disks. The MS MBR doesn't know how to boot anything > >but an MS system. > > > >Basically, when the system boots, it starts with the BIOS. The BIOS > >looks at its list of boot devices according to how it is configured > >and begins to check them in order. It tries to boot from the first > >device in its list that has an MBR. That MBR is what then may look > >at the other disks for a bootable slice. The MS MBR doesn't know how > >to recognize any other type of system or boot anything but MS stuff. > >So, you have to make sure that the first device that the BIOS finds > >with an MBR has a FreeBSD (or other intelligent) MBR that knows how > >to boot anything. > > > >The FreeBSD MBR will boot any of the systems with a standard boot sequence, > >but it is a little limited in its ability to label them. It has labels for > >a few, such as FreeBSD, MS-DOS, some LINUXen. But it doesn't have names > >for many others such as MS with an NTFS slice. It will boot any of these > >including the ones it doesn't have names for, but it just puts up ??? for > >the name in the boot menu of ones it doesn't have names for. That is not > >really a problem, though it can be confusing on a machine if you have > >one FreeBSD slice and three bootable slices with system that say ??? for > >the name. You have to remember which ??? is which... > > > >For that reasonable reason plus other prejudices many people install > >a third part MBR/loader such as Grub. But, it isn't essential to > >get things to work. > > > >The second thing you did wrong is installing F-5.2. If you want 5.xxx > >then install 5.3 (or at least 5.2.1). FreeBSD 5.2 was almost immediately > >supplanted because of problems - probably not related to your current > >situation, but you don't want it anyway. > > > >////jerry > > > > > > > > Marty > > > > > > > > > Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 > > > Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml > > > Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 > Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml > Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:23:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD7016A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:23:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF4143D58 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:23:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3FE281C00094 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:23:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 108E61C000B0 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:23:08 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050214162308680.108E61C000B0@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:23:07 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14810029770.20050214172307@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <705761739.20050214062756@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:23:09 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > Generally the MO in the past has been to use the el-cheapo-ist components > possible, then when the OEM vendors discover some hardware bug or other > shortfall, they have Microsoft help them to write around the problems > with various patches, which are included in the OEM version of Windows. > > While this has (mostly) gone away for desktop systems, it is still going > on fiercely with laptops. One reason why I've always hated laptops. > First of all HP purchased Compaq a while ago, and when the sale was > completed they dumped the Netserver line, servers from them are > now HP Proliants. (Proliant was the Compaq line) Are they as good as their HP and Compaq predecessors? > The Netservers and Proliants in general never had touble with FreeBSD. > Considering they certified them with Solaris/Netware/etc. they had to > be pretty standard. Compaq Proliants had a lot of weird stuff running on the server, as I recall. As long as you stuck to the OEM versions it ran fine, but if you tried to wipe the machine and install a vanilla OS, things went wrong. > Fine advice for low-end servers and desktops. Terrible for high-end > servers unless you really, really know what your doing, and you > understand that your total cost will be more than if you just buy > a turnkey server from someone. And rather impossible for laptops. Impossible for laptops, yes. I assume anyone who needs a really high-end server is going to know a lot about what he is doing, anyway (much more so than the average user of a really high-end desktop). Of course, if you can find a high-end server that meets your requirements, there's no need to build one yourself. I'd still prefer that it be delivered without any OS, though, just to avoid the OEM tweaking. It's one thing to optimize server hardware and software for server use; I'm all in favor of that. But I think it should always be done with off-the-shelf products that you can buy anywhere, otherwise you risk being the captive of a specific vendor or vendors. For every advantage you might get from OEM tweaks, there is likely to be a corresponding disadvantage. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:24:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39C716A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:24:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645B943D49 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:24:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BAD1A1C000BC for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:24:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9CFEF1C000B2 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:24:31 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050214162431643.9CFEF1C000B2@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:24:31 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1709020540.20050214172431@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <382521231.20050213212528@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:24:32 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > The main difference between a desktop and a server is a server > needs beefy disk I/O or beefy CPU power or both, while a desktop > needs beefy video and can often make due with piss-poor disk I/O. A desktop also needs a GUI, whereas a server is better off without it. > While a desktop is USUALLY optimized for the video, and saves > money by using poor I/O, and a server vis-versa, if you had unlimited > funds you could certainly put a hardware RAID card on your desktop > and have an equivalent to the server. There's still the GUI issue, though. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:37:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBBE16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:37:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2845B43D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:37:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D386110 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:37:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45808-03 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:37:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD5660F0 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:37:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4210D3DD.10808@makeworld.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:37:49 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <382521231.20050213212528@wanadoo.fr> <1709020540.20050214172431@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1709020540.20050214172431@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:37:27 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > >>The main difference between a desktop and a server is a server >>needs beefy disk I/O or beefy CPU power or both, while a desktop >>needs beefy video and can often make due with piss-poor disk I/O. > > > A desktop also needs a GUI, whereas a server is better off without it. > > >>While a desktop is USUALLY optimized for the video, and saves >>money by using poor I/O, and a server vis-versa, if you had unlimited >>funds you could certainly put a hardware RAID card on your desktop >>and have an equivalent to the server. > > > There's still the GUI issue, though. > That's a matter of point of view. If the user using FBSD uses a WM of his/her choice, and they are happy with the way if works - there isn't an issue. As for me, I have FBSD 5.3 as a desktop and as servers here. Windows is completely out of the mix. My WM does exactly what I expect it to do. I am able to use the ports to do the work needed. I am able to use Word and Excel file with zero issues. My email is flawless (to me) and it does exactly what I wand and need it to do - so, there are many of us where a "GUI" under FBSD isn't an issue. It's not fair to make a blanket comment as you have done. Now if it was phrased more like, To me, there's still the GUI issue, though. Then there is merit. You simply can't make a blanket comment. It does not apply. -- Best regards, Chris Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9885D16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:41:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.scls.lib.wi.us (mail.scls.lib.wi.us [198.150.40.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3284D43D48 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:41:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from [172.26.2.238] ([172.26.2.238]) by mail.scls.lib.wi.us (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1EGfUtB096234; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:41:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Message-ID: <4210D497.3040200@scls.lib.wi.us> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:40:55 -0600 From: Greg Barniskis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aklist_061666 , questions@freebsd.org References: <010e01c51076$41b714f0$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> <441xbk4hcq.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <015d01c512a5$f9d24ce0$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> In-Reply-To: <015d01c512a5$f9d24ce0$0b01a8c0@enigmedia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Newbie: BIND conf "file not found" error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:41:32 -0000 aklist_061666 wrote: > Hi Lowell: From the command line it runs fine. > > So, are you suggesting that the process doesn't have permissions to open > the file? If so, wouldn't I see a permissions error message instead of > file-not-found? > > TIA, AK > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Gilbert" > > To: "aklist_061666" > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: Newbie: BIND conf "file not found" error > > >> "aklist_061666" writes: >> >>> One last question on configuring Named to run: >>> >>> I'm able to start BIND from the command line with: >>> >>> /usr/sbin/named -c /etc/named.conf >>> >>> but when I modify my rc.conf file with: >>> >>> named_enable="YES" >>> named_program="/usr/sbin/named" >>> named_flags="-u bind -c /etc/named.conf" >>> >>> I get an error on startup: >>> >>> Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: none:0 open: /etc/named.conf: file >>> not found >>> Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: loading configruation: file not found >>> Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: exiting (due to fatal error) >>> >>> what's wrong with my config-file path parameter in rc.conf? >> >> >> Permisssions? Try running it from the command line the same way you >> do from the startup scripts. I think your problem is related to the fact that when you run named in a sandbox, the path to /etc/named.conf becomes relative to the sandbox. So when named flags indicate /etc/named.conf, that file must actually reside at /your/chroot/path/etc/named.conf. (keep in mind that this advice is from dim memory of having this problem over a year ago, and it could be I'm just wrong, but I'm relatively sure about sandboxing having this problem ;-) -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) , (608) 266-6348 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:43:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2696316A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:43:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DC343D3F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:43:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050214164302.EBGB6130.out005.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com> for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:43:02 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C7D6C2CE740; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:38:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:38:45 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <1108389001.4210ac89766a6@mail.online.ie> In-Reply-To: <1108389001.4210ac89766a6@mail.online.ie> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502140838.45451.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:43:02 -0600 Subject: Re: ppp_mode and ipfw X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:43:04 -0000 On Monday 14 February 2005 05:50 am, Hiram Abiff wrote: > Hi! > > I've been trying to set up ipfw on my FreeBSD box > which I use as a gateway to the Internet on my LAN. > > I compiled the kernel with options IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT, > edited rc.conf and some other files. > > Now I have 2 problems: > > 1.) Each time FreeBSD boots ppp automatically establishes > a connection via ISDN. I do not want it to do that, I want > the connection to be established when some of the other > 2 boxes I have on my LAN run software that demands an > internet connection. > > For Example, if I run firefox on my linux box, i want > the FreeBSD box to receive the linux boxes request > for a connection and dial my ISP via ISDN. > > In rc.conf I set ppp_mode="auto" because in ppp's man > page it says that this is the correct mode for > on-demand connection. > > 2.) Although I set up my firewall rules I cannot acces > anything on the outside net anymore, and my other > 2 boxes can't acces the Internet after setting aup the > firewall. Also I cannot acces the squid proxy I set up > on my FreeBSD box anymore. All of this was working > before I set up the firewall. What am I doing wrong? > Why can't I access the net outside my home LAN and > why doesn't squid work anymore? > > Here's my firewall rule file: > > fwcmd="/sbin/ipfw" > > > #Outside interface > oif="tun0" > > > #Inside interface > iif="rl0" > > > # Force a flushing of the current rules before reload > $fwcmd -f flush > > > #Check the state of all packets > $fwcmd add check-state > > > #Divert all packets through the tunnel interface. > $fwcmd add divert natd all from any to any via oif You should only be NAT'ing inbound packets here, also the "$" is missing in oif: $fwcmd add divert natd ip from any to any in via $oif > > > # Allow all data from my network card and localhost > $fwcmd add allow all from any to any via lo0 > $fwcmd add allow ip from any to any via $ii0 > Is $ii0 a typo? you have iif="rl0" defined as your private NIC did you mean to have: $fwcmd add allow ip from any to any via $iif??? I see the same sort of errors in the rest, look it over carefully. -Mike > > # Allow all connections that I initiate > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any out xmit oif setup > > > # Once connections are made, allow them to stay open > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any via oif established > > > # Everyone on the internet is allowed to connect > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 22 setup > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 21 setup > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 8080 setup > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 53 setup > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 4662 setup > $fwcmd add allow udp from any to any 4672 setup > > > # This sends a RESET to all ident packets > $fwcmd add reset log tcp from any to any 113 in recv oif > > > # Allow outgoing DNS queries ONLY to the specified servers > > > $fwcmd add allow udp from any to 161.53.114.135 53 out xmit tun0 > $fwcmd add allow udp from any to 161.53.114.145 53 out xmit tun0 > > > # Allow them back in with the answers > > > $fwcmd add allow udp from 161.53.114.135 53 to any in recv oif > $fwcmd add allow udp from 161.53.114.145 53 to any in recv oif > > > # Allow ICMP > $fwcmd add 65435 allow icmp from any to any > > > # Deny all the rest. > #$fwcmd add 65435 deny log ip from any to any > > > > -- > "It was as though a veil had been rent. I saw on that ivory face > the expression of sombre pride, of ruthless power, > of craven terror -- of an intense and hopeless despair. > Did he live his life again in every detail of desire, > temptation, and surrender during that supreme moment > of complete knowledge?" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:47:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284DA16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:47:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from csa.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D3243D53 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:47:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu) Received: by csa.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix, from userid 601) id 634B1A0696; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:47:49 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 164.58.79.196 (auth. user lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu) by cs.okstate.edu with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:47:49 -0600 X-IlohaMail-Blah: lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.12 (On: cs.okstate.edu) In-Reply-To: <44650w4hh1.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> From: "Reid Linnemann" Bounce-To: "Reid Linnemann" Errors-To: "Reid Linnemann" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20050214164749.634B1A0696@csa.cs.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:47:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: wireless-to-wired bridging X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:47:50 -0000 Not so much a Microsoft thing as a general networking thing. I would like for netbios traffic to work correctly for windows file sharing/samba, as well as broadcast LAN traffic for gaming and the like. I _could_ alter bridge.c to always return a copy of the packet to the caller, but that would just be a quick hack and I don't even know if it would work. Dummynet works on the IP level, so it wouldn't solve my problem. Else I'd jump all over it. =( On 2/13/2005, "Lowell Gilbert" wrote: >"Reid Linnemann" writes: > >> I'm bridging the devices so that the wired and wireless nets will appear >> to be on the same physical network to eachother. > >Well, yes, that's what bridging means. Why do you want that? [Is it >a Microsoft thing?] > >> I think I was really tired when I wrote my original email.. so let me >> rewrite my hypothesis: >> >> I am suspicious that, since the wireless interface on the BSD machine >> operates in AP mode, if a wireless client wants to send a packet to >> another wireless client, it must be first sent to the wireless interface >> of the BSD machine, which should theoretically redirect the packet to >> the appropriate host on the wireless net. In the wired network, a switch >> handles this case automagically on the datalink layer before any >> messages can hit the rl1 interface of the BSD router. I've looked at >> the bridge code, and it seems that unless a packet is multicast or >> broadcast it will be copied to the other bridged interfaces but not >> returned to the original caller. Since the packets being sent from one >> wireless client to another are not broadcast, I think that the bridge >> module may be dumping them into the black hole of the wired LAN, and >> they are not being processed and pumped back out through the ath >> interface. Is this a correct assumption? Are there ways I can overcome >> this problem? > >On a quick look, I think you might be on the right track. The >bridging code seems in a number of spots to be built specifically for >Ethernet. I have always maintained that bridging unlike media was a >hack bound for problems... > >You might have more success using dummynet for bridging rather than >trying to fix things in the protocol stack. > >Good luck. >-- >Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area > http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:51:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453AA16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:51:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mss1.myactv.net (mss1.myactv.net [24.89.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9511F43D1F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:51:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@xecu.net) Received: (qmail 8408 invoked by uid 1531); 14 Feb 2005 16:51:34 -0000 Received: from chris@xecu.net by mss1.myactv.net by uid 1006 with qmail-scanner-1.21 (clamdscan: 0.70. 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(24.153.112.163) by mss1.myactv.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 16:51:33 -0000 Message-ID: <4210D770.5050602@xecu.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:53:04 -0500 From: Christopher McGee User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT><420F34E6.6020108@locolomo.org> <020801c511f5$e4f55430$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <420FBC0B.9030805@locolomo.org> <04c301c51213$03845550$7702a8c0@officeeagle> In-Reply-To: <04c301c51213$03845550$7702a8c0@officeeagle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:51:35 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Norgaard" > > To: "Paul Schmehl" > Cc: "Grant Peel" ; > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:43 PM > Subject: Re: Ports > >> >> Taking an arbitrary post, it appears that make.conf is not always the >> best place since this sets options globally. But thanks, I have now >> learned how to get my ports compiled with support for a4 paper and >> _not_ letter :-) >> > While that is true, you can also set options for individual ports. > > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) > Adjunct Information Security Officer > The University of Texas at Dallas > AVIEN Founding Member > http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Could you please give some detail about setting options for individual ports in make.conf? Maybe I missed something in 'man make.conf' or 'man ports' but everything seems to refer to global options. The only example I've found is in man portmanager, but I'm still a little unsure about the how to do it properly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:58:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E96716A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:58:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E100043D45 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:58:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1EGwA5e084584; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:58:13 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: RYAN vAN GINNEKEN In-Reply-To: <41FA969C.1030504@computerking.ca> References: <41FA969C.1030504@computerking.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:58:10 +0000 Message-Id: <1108400290.23699.229.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: dumping a samba directory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:58:31 -0000 On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 12:46 -0700, RYAN vAN GINNEKEN wrote: > does anyone know how to dump a samba directory i keep getting this error > > dump: /usr/local/samba/export/classic: unknown file system > Kilobytes Out 0 > > ERROR: non-zero exit from: > dump -0 -b 10 -a -f - /usr/local/samba/export/classic I haven't seen anyone else answer you yet, so: Is /usr/local/samba/export/classic a mount point? dump can only operate on mount points, not on directories somewhere inside a hierarchy Peter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 17:06:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D9016A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:06:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127BB43D1F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:06:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1D0jfa-0005sx-NJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:05:58 -0600 Received: from 209.87.176.132 (FuseMail web AccountID 19592) by www.fusemail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:06:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3151.209.87.176.132.1108400766.fusewebmail-19592@www.fusemail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:06:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian John" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: FuseWebmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: trouble printing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: brianjohn@fusemail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:06:05 -0000 Hello, I tried this question on the newbies list first but didn't get a response so I'm trying here. I am having trouble printing from my HP Deskjet 710C printer. It is hooked up via parallel port and I can print fine with it from Windows. However, I can't get it to work in FreeBSD. I followed the instructions here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-intro-setup.html Everything seems to be fine. But when I try to test the printer using a command similar to this: # cat file > /dev/lptN or this: lptest > /dev/lpt0 nothing happens. Does anyone have a clue what I might have done wrong? Thanks for the help /Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 17:06:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E57616A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:06:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp109.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp109.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC29A43D2D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:06:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kaeru@jaring.my) Received: from unknown (HELO wolverine.cerebro.net.my) (khairil?yusof@219.95.129.69 with plain) by smtp109.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 17:06:43 -0000 From: Khairil Yusof To: mats.lindberg@se.transport.bombardier.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ikMj7/6kf9gJUv6NLlj+" Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:07:15 +0800 Message-Id: <1108400835.11968.138.camel@wolverine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel preemption X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:06:44 -0000 --=-ikMj7/6kf9gJUv6NLlj+ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 10:51 +0100, mats.lindberg@se.transport.bombardier.com wrote: > Hello, > I'm interested in using freebsd in a 'not so realtime, but...' software=20 > project. > In our running environment there are a 3 processes that need high=20 > priority. > The processes never need much cpu but they should be able to respond to=20 > network (tcp) activity within 10-20ms. Have you tried running your process using rtprio(8)? You might also check out the HZ option of the kernel and lower granularity of operation to 1000HZ (1ms) instead of the default 100HZ (10ms). See /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES --=-ikMj7/6kf9gJUv6NLlj+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCENrDDAqnLW/+/X8RAqqrAKDdO4Dl13TGBOZbqrGmLwZ6vRV0rwCfbcnk p0Nm+1SDzoERMzxec3guB5g= =Caei -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ikMj7/6kf9gJUv6NLlj+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 17:14:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713F416A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:14:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6C343D45 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:14:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reso3w83@verizon.net) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.26.84.7]) by out011.verizon.net ESMTP <20050214171432.YPKY28171.out011.verizon.net@ringworm.mechee.com>; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:14:32 -0600 Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2FBF02CE740; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:10:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. Shultz" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:10:14 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <007501c511b8$2d9fcff0$6401a8c0@GRANT> <04c301c51213$03845550$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <4210D770.5050602@xecu.net> In-Reply-To: <4210D770.5050602@xecu.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502140910.14902.reso3w83@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.26.84.7] at Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:14:31 -0600 Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:14:33 -0000 On Monday 14 February 2005 08:53 am, Christopher McGee wrote: > Paul Schmehl wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Norgaard" > > > > To: "Paul Schmehl" > > Cc: "Grant Peel" ; > > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 > > 2:43 PM > > Subject: Re: Ports > > > >> Taking an arbitrary post, it appears that make.conf is not always > >> the best place since this sets options globally. But thanks, I > >> have now learned how to get my ports compiled with support for a4 > >> paper and _not_ letter :-) > > > > While that is true, you can also set options for individual ports. > > > > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) > > Adjunct Information Security Officer > > The University of Texas at Dallas > > AVIEN Founding Member > > http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Could you please give some detail about setting options for > individual ports in make.conf? Maybe I missed something in 'man > make.conf' or 'man ports' but everything seems to refer to global > options. The only example I've found is in man portmanager, but I'm > still a little unsure about the how to do it properly. > This example from portmanager's manual is how to do it in make.conf: .if ${.CURDIR:M*/local/sysutils/portmanager} PREFIX=/home/mike/TEMP .endif # .if ${.CURDIR:M*/multimedia/mplayer} WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=yes WITHOUT_RUNTIME_CPUDETECTION=yes \ WITH_GTK1=yes WITH_RTC=yes WITH_LIBUNGIF=yes WITH_ARTS=yes \ WITH_FRIBIDI=yes WITH_CDPARANOIA=yes WITH_LIBDV=yes \ WITH_MAD=yes WITH_SVGALIB=yes WITH_AALIB=yes WITH_THEORA=yes \ WITH_SDL=yes WITH_ESOUND=yes WITH_VORBIS=yes WITH_XANIM=yes \ WITH_LIVEMEDIA=yes WITH_MATROSKA=yes WITH_XVID=yes WITH_LZO=yes \ WITH_XMMS=yes WITH_LANG=en .endif Just change the "multimedia/mplayer" of .if ${.CURDIR:M*/multimedia/mplayer} to the port you want to save settings for. It is interpreted as something like "when the current directory matches this pattern, use these WITH_* values" -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 17:41:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EEF16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:41:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9841443D2D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:41:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1EHfZIh011301; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:41:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A1EF76240; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:42:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:42:53 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Brian John Message-ID: <20050214174253.GC65365@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Brian John , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3151.209.87.176.132.1108400766.fusewebmail-19592@www.fusemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3151.209.87.176.132.1108400766.fusewebmail-19592@www.fusemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! Organization: Me, organized? X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: trouble printing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:41:37 -0000 --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:06:06AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > Hello, > I tried this question on the newbies list first but didn't get a response > so I'm trying here. This is the right list for questions. > I am having trouble printing from my HP Deskjet 710C printer. It > is hooked up via parallel port and I can print fine with it from > Windows. However, I can't get it to work in FreeBSD. I followed the > instructions here: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-intro-= setup.html Arg. The Deskjet 710C is one of those stupid printers without it's own processor. You need a special program to convert print data into ppa format, which is the only format it understands. See: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=3DHP-DeskJet_710C > Everything seems to be fine. But when I try to test the printer using a > command similar to this: >=20 > # cat file > /dev/lptN Don't do this. Always work via the spooler. See below. =20 > or this: >=20 > lptest > /dev/lpt0 lptest just prints plain text. Your printer doesn't understand that. It uses the host CPU for processing the print data: =46rom http://pnm2ppa.sourceforge.net/: PPA (Printing Performance Architecture) is a closed, proprietary protocol developed by Hewlett Packard for a short-lived series of DeskJet printers. In essence, the PPA protocol moves the low-level processing of the data to the host computer rather than the printer. This allows for a low-cost (to produce) printer with a small amount of memory and computing power. However, in practice the printer was often as expensive as more capable printers and HP has since discontinued the use of PPA in favour of returning to PCL3e in their latest USB-based printers. > nothing happens. Does anyone have a clue what I might have done wrong? You need a special driver to talk to this printer. It is called pnm2ppa and you can find it in ports. More info on adriver for this printer can be found at:=20 http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=3Dpnm2ppa&fromprinter= =3DHP-DeskJet_710C If you want the printer to handle different file formats transparently, you should install a print filter like apsfilter. You should program apsfilter to output stuff in pnm format, which should then be piped through pnm2ppa and then to the spooler. I know this sounds complicated, and that's because these printers suck. You have to jump through a lot of hoops to get them working. In short, what has to happen for each print job is: 1) Convert the file format to pnm. This is where apsfilter comes in, unless you want to do it by hand every time. 2) The output from apsfilter should be fed to pnm2ppa, using the unix mechanism called a pipe. The apsfilter manual has info on how to set this up. I haven't used apsfilter in a loooong time. 3) The output from pnm2ppa is fed to the spooler, which sends it to the printer. By installing apsfilter and pnm2ppa you can make this process automatic. Hope this helps. Roland --=20 R.F. Smith /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign r s m i t h @ x s 4 a l l . n l \ / No HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ X No Word docs in e-mail public key: http://www.keyserver.net / \ Respect for open standards --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEOMdEnfvsMMhpyURAlqBAJ9gZnNd1T/GiLWlIvAVSWradcR5ZwCfR454 9PXicCmXVBB8Mq7udD6AMWI= =Ity8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 17:42:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AB316A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:42:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C48943D2F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:42:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so690712rnf for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:42:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=lScivh/+Y9IQJyuwTDEXIu2z+ldQtVpjCakFXJXfY70WGp+1EnkxFo6GucUOE9wFnjHDI8qHIG8Bni1Cewu9xISlhN4FXmW6uEjIq7/ax/VGXzBt7kzr1tfSg/lpqSLXGP3rMaX4/PFPIgnDDCjaD6jeAY+9QUnPzYtSGF+AJXI= Received: by 10.38.150.66 with SMTP id x66mr118793rnd; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:42:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:42:41 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <308024811.20050213085323@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <27964692.20050212160046@wanadoo.fr> <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> <308024811.20050213085323@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:42:45 -0000 On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Loren M. Lang writes: > > > That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen > > occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems. > > Then you have bad device drivers, or you are running software with OS > privileges that contains bugs. > I have to go with Loren, the BSOD certainly still comes up with NT/2k/(especially)XP systems. I have had systems that would Blue Screen about once a week. And, before someone (read Anthony) comes out saying "You're using bum drivers or flaky apps" I definitely was. I was, however, using ONLY things coming from the Windows Install CDs or the Windows updates system which means that it's the OS itself that is at fault. It's likely not representative of a lot of cases, but just a little reminder that people shouldn't make such definitive conclusions (read assumptions) before hearing the facts. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 17:50:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5070516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:50:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32B143D39 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:50:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd-questions@trini0.org) Received: from hivemind.trini0.org (trini0.org[65.34.205.195]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005021417491901100k1j5ie>; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:49:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.16] (gladiator.trini0.org [192.168.0.16]) by hivemind.trini0.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489516122 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:48:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4210E482.4060204@trini0.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:48:50 -0500 From: Gerard Samuel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050122) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Shabang executable path X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:50:11 -0000 A bit off topic, but I figure someone in here, may be able to point me in the right direction. !#/path/to/php Im wondering, if its possible for the /path/to/php can be made dynamic. i.e. Have the file still look as if it is a shell script, but the path to the executable is determined at run time, to make it more portable. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 17:55:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C232D16A4DE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:55:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www6.web2010.com (www6.web2010.com [216.157.5.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC1F43D3F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:55:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MLandman@face2interface.com) Received: from Delliver.face2interface.com (jmrvua@inoc202-203.veranet.net [216.238.202.203] (may be forged)) by www6.web2010.com (8.12.10/8.9.0) with ESMTP id j1EHt1D7001908; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:55:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050214125333.01e2ec28@mail.face2interface.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:55:28 -0500 To: "Jud" From: Marty Landman In-Reply-To: <1108400028.24963.215042858@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <200502141616.j1EGGE013701@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <1108400028.24963.215042858@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: how to set up a dual boot system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:55:38 -0000 At 11:53 AM 2/14/2005, Jud wrote: >You can use the FreeBSD boot loader, but simplest and easiest at this >point is to download and install GAG, after which you'll be able to boot >either OS with no further fiddling required. As always, though, your >call. Afraid I never got the hang of making this work; however the reason for my wanting the dual boot sys was because my old printer didn't have an available driver (I thought) for win xp, but now it seems there is one and it's working from my workstation. So don't need dual booting after all. Onward to the fbsd install! Marty Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 Search & Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 18:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D13716A4CF for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:17:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from birch.viviotech.net (birch.viviotech.net [207.108.53.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA0F43D45 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:17:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jordan@viviotech.net) Received: (qmail 15339 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2005 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.100?) (jordan@viviotech.net@207.108.53.117) by birch.viviotech.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2005 18:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4210ECE3.5060109@viviotech.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:24:35 -0800 From: Jordan Michaels User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerard Samuel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4210E482.4060204@trini0.org> <4210E7A0.3070301@viviotech.net> <4210E8B1.7020207@trini0.org> In-Reply-To: <4210E8B1.7020207@trini0.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Status: CLEAN X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on birch.viviotech.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: Shabang executable path X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:17:14 -0000 Gerard Samuel wrote: > Jordan Michaels wrote: > >> Gerard Samuel wrote: >> >>> A bit off topic, but I figure someone in here, may be able to point >>> me in the right direction. >>> >>> !#/path/to/php >>> >>> Im wondering, if its possible for the /path/to/php can be made dynamic. >>> i.e. Have the file still look as if it is a shell script, but >>> the path to the executable is determined at run time, >>> to make it more portable. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> Have you tried it? >> >> # script.sh /path/to/php >> >> ----------script.sh---------- >> #! $1 >> echo "This is a test" >> ----------script.sh---------- >> >> ... or something to that effect. > > > > You've misunderstood, what I'm asking, or Im not understanding your > example. > In your example, the path to php, is still hardcoded. > What Im ulitimately trying to achieve, is a script, > that can determine the path to php, where ever it may be... > Thanks > > Ah, yeah, my example was just a way to pass the path on to the script - not determine the path automatically. If you want to determine the path automatically, the only way I can see that you could do that would be to run two separate scripts (including the method I used above.) Something like this: ----------script_caller.sh---------- $DYNAMICPATH = find / -name php | grep php script.sh $DYNAMICPATH ----------script_caller.sh---------- The idea being that the script_caller.sh file would find the path to php on that system, then pass that path on to the script that will be executing the php commands. Now... don't get me wrong. I'm not an expert script writer or anything. I haven't tested these scripts. However, the logic behind them is still valid, and should work if properly executed. (with the correct shell commands, etc) HTH -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ jordan@viviotech.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 18:17:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1090816A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:17:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C21743D2F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:17:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mrkung@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so660324wra for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:17:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=al8AOmsiRyJpoo+L58R3+rShZ/d40UwneH4+NTsc7pVs1kAjFzwGt/A20O2/P4Pq6f74pogyc2mQJozCRwSdJAIELUKbUEZgpNb+LNyM1OzFBT1kOR0xS8mUdBfjk6RsAb9yRaH1ndCopuZ7aBRj5OT+69wFUTaDARIdbKRoIAw= Received: by 10.54.5.37 with SMTP id 37mr40107wre; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.26.28 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:17:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <67f5afb90502141017bf2e58a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:17:44 -0300 From: Maicon Stihler To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: problem with GCC search path on FreeBSD5.3 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Maicon Stihler List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:17:46 -0000 Hi, I installed FreeBSD 5.3 for AMD64 on my computer following the standard procedure. To my surprise, when I tried to compile new packages I find out that /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include wasnt on gcc's search path. As a workaround I compiled the packages with CFLAGS="-B /usr/local/lib -I/usr/local/include". As far as I know, and the gcc info pages seems to agree, these too directories should be in the default search path. Is someone else experiencing this same problem? Is there a way to add these directories to the default path without resorting to these env variables or runtime switches? Note that I didnt changed anything from the default install, I even tried installing again to see if something went wrong. I searched the system for some config file but it turned to nothing... Thank your in advance and sorry for my bad english :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 18:29:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F2816A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:29:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EC643D53 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:29:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd-questions@trini0.org) Received: from hivemind.trini0.org (trini0.org[65.34.205.195]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2005021418293501400gf40ae>; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:29:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.16] (gladiator.trini0.org [192.168.0.16]) by hivemind.trini0.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE3E6121; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:29:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4210EE0E.7000801@trini0.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:29:34 -0500 From: Gerard Samuel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050122) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan Michaels References: <4210E482.4060204@trini0.org> <4210E7A0.3070301@viviotech.net> <4210E8B1.7020207@trini0.org> <4210ECE3.5060109@viviotech.net> In-Reply-To: <4210ECE3.5060109@viviotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Shabang executable path X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:29:36 -0000 Jordan Michaels wrote: > Gerard Samuel wrote: > >> Jordan Michaels wrote: >> >>> Gerard Samuel wrote: >>> >>>> A bit off topic, but I figure someone in here, may be able to point >>>> me in the right direction. >>>> >>>> !#/path/to/php >>>> >>>> Im wondering, if its possible for the /path/to/php can be made >>>> dynamic. >>>> i.e. Have the file still look as if it is a shell script, but >>>> the path to the executable is determined at run time, >>>> to make it more portable. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>>> >>> Have you tried it? >>> >>> # script.sh /path/to/php >>> >>> ----------script.sh---------- >>> #! $1 >>> echo "This is a test" >>> ----------script.sh---------- >>> >>> ... or something to that effect. >> >> >> >> >> You've misunderstood, what I'm asking, or Im not understanding your >> example. >> In your example, the path to php, is still hardcoded. >> What Im ulitimately trying to achieve, is a script, >> that can determine the path to php, where ever it may be... >> Thanks >> >> > Ah, yeah, my example was just a way to pass the path on to the script > - not determine the path automatically. If you want to determine the > path automatically, the only way I can see that you could do that > would be to run two separate scripts (including the method I used above.) > > Something like this: > > ----------script_caller.sh---------- > $DYNAMICPATH = find / -name php | grep php > script.sh $DYNAMICPATH > ----------script_caller.sh---------- > > The idea being that the script_caller.sh file would find the path to > php on that system, then pass that path on to the script that will be > executing the php commands. > > Now... don't get me wrong. I'm not an expert script writer or > anything. I haven't tested these scripts. However, the logic behind > them is still valid, and should work if properly executed. (with the > correct shell commands, etc) > > HTH Ok. I'll see what I can do, with what you explained... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 18:36:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D43216A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:36:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from csa.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07D743D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:36:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu) Received: by csa.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix, from userid 601) id 75B0FA0696; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:36:46 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 164.58.79.196 (auth. user lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu) by cs.okstate.edu with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:36:46 -0600 X-IlohaMail-Blah: lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.12 (On: cs.okstate.edu) In-Reply-To: <44650w4hh1.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> From: "Reid Linnemann" Bounce-To: "Reid Linnemann" Errors-To: "Reid Linnemann" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20050214183646.75B0FA0696@csa.cs.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:36:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: wireless-to-wired bridging X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:36:47 -0000 On 2/13/2005, "Lowell Gilbert" wrote: >On a quick look, I think you might be on the right track. The >bridging code seems in a number of spots to be built specifically for >Ethernet. I have always maintained that bridging unlike media was a >hack bound for problems... > >You might have more success using dummynet for bridging rather than >trying to fix things in the protocol stack. > >Good luck. >-- >Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area > http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ Yeah, I can definitely see that. After a little more thinking and grokking of the code I realized that my theory is (most likely) wrong. I am stumped for now, but I'm going to try to solve the problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 18:45:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB7316A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:45:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF6B43D54 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:45:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from techservices@onlinehobbyist.com) Received: from freebie2.perlnerd.com ([65.94.50.231]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20050214184546.TMBW1623.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@freebie2.perlnerd.com>; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:45:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.181] (monster [192.168.1.181]) by freebie2.perlnerd.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EIjdul005366; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:45:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from techservices@onlinehobbyist.com) Message-ID: <4210F1D9.4070405@onlinehobbyist.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:45:45 -0500 From: Clint Gilders Organization: OnlineHobbyist.com, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en, fr-ca, de, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerard Samuel References: <4210E482.4060204@trini0.org> In-Reply-To: <4210E482.4060204@trini0.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Shabang executable path X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:45:48 -0000 Gerard Samuel wrote: > A bit off topic, but I figure someone in here, may be able to point > me in the right direction. > > !#/path/to/php > > Im wondering, if its possible for the /path/to/php can be made dynamic. > i.e. Have the file still look as if it is a shell script, but > the path to the executable is determined at run time, > to make it more portable. Seems to me you could use: #!/usr/bin/env php Much like people often recommend for perl scripts. -- Clint Gilders Director of Technology Services OnlineHobbyist.com, Inc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 18:50:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397D116A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:50:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.terralink.de (mail.tlink.de [217.9.16.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E9A43D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:50:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@daniel.stefan.haischt.name) Received: from smtp.abyssworld.de (daniel-s-haischt.biz [84.252.66.2]) by mail.terralink.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36A5B8CD; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:50:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from abyssone.abyssworld.de (smtp.abyssworld.de [192.168.1.6]) by smtp.abyssworld.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 15C9218DDA; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:50:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from (smtp.abyssworld.de) [192.168.1.6] by abyssone.abyssworld.de with smtp (geam 0.8.4) for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:50:31 +0100 Received-SPF: none (smtp.abyssworld.de: 192.168.1.6 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of daniel.stefan.haischt.name) client-ip=192.168.1.6; envelope-from=me@daniel.stefan.haischt.name; helo=[192.168.120.239]; Received: from [192.168.120.239] (smtp.abyssworld.de [192.168.1.6]) by smtp.abyssworld.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D508C18C4B; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:50:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4210F2F0.3040009@daniel.stefan.haischt.name> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:50:24 +0100 From: "Daniel S. Haischt" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olga Zenkova References: <20050214151021.38115.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050214151021.38115.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Processed-By: GNU Anubis v4.0 X-Purified-With: DSPAM, Clam AntiVirus Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CLAMAV-Result: Clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dspam-3.2.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: me@daniel.stefan.haischt.name List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:50:44 -0000 did you select another DB backend (e.g. PostgreSQL or SQLite)? Olga Zenkova schrieb: > Hi! > Can't compile dspam-3.2.6 on FreeBSD-4.10. I mark > option "MYSQL50" in the options window and then get: > "You can use one and only one database back-end at > once". Why? >=20 > Thanks, > Olga >=20 >=20 > =09 > __________________________________=20 > Do you Yahoo!?=20 > All your favorites on one personal page =96 Try My Yahoo! > http://my.yahoo.com=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= .org" --=20 Mit freundlichen Gruessen / With kind regards DAn.I.El S. Haischt Want a complete signature??? Type at a shell prompt: $ > finger -l haischt@daniel.stefan.haischt.name From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 18:54:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9FB16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:54:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mrout2-b.corp.dcn.yahoo.com (mrout2-b.corp.dcn.yahoo.com [216.109.112.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379B743D39 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:54:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from steffl@bigfoot.com) Received: from [207.126.234.69] (woodpecker.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.234.69]) j1EIrfec082829 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:53:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4210F3B5.9040506@bigfoot.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:53:41 -0800 From: Erik Steffl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041116) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:54:01 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: ... > of laziness. In my case I unfortunately decided it might be a good thing > to use a Microsoft client mail program to handle e-mail. This was a > decade ago. I now have around ten thousand archived e-mail messages > accumulated in a massive *.pst file that I really want to keep - not > because > I want to look at all of them again some day, but because from time > to time I have to go digging around in that archive looking for some > specific piece from some specific person - sometimes these messages might > be 5-6 years old. > > One of these days though when I get some time, that file is going to > get exported so that I can get out of dealing with Outlook. As it is ... not sure how you plan to do the conversion but it looks like you are thinking about doing something with file itself. I'd install an IMAP server (it's good way to handle email anyway) and just use outlook to copy the emails from local folders (i.e. pst file) to an IMAP server. Pretty easy and you don't have to think about file formats etc., outlook does all the work for you. (maybe you already knew this but I thought it would be useful to have it out here for all readers because I have seen people puzzling about how to get the email out from outlook and not considering this trivial solution) erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 18:54:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E95516A4E6 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:54:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6584743D31 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:54:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd49554 (utd49554.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.85]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBB0388FE1 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:54:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:54:05 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <58C646BCE735415A4787E001@utd49554.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <4210D770.5050602@xecu.net> References: <4210D770.5050602@xecu.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:54:06 -0000 --On Monday, February 14, 2005 11:53:04 AM -0500 Christopher McGee wrote: > > Could you please give some detail about setting options for individual > ports in make.conf? Maybe I missed something in 'man make.conf' or 'man > ports' but everything seems to refer to global options. The only example > I've found is in man portmanager, but I'm still a little unsure about the > how to do it properly. > Since Mike posted an example, I won't repeat it. I should point out that you can also use /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf. Here's an example of that: MAKE_ARGS = { 'security/snort-*' => 'WITH_MYSQL=1 WITH_FLEXRESP=1' } Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 19:21:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3C516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:21:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web52008.mail.yahoo.com (web52008.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 207A643D4C for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:21:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from annkok2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47834 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2005 19:21:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=I1gEli7VMaVVt0BCcISim12ObbKrVWpFlqdh9QSsk/kL//muSnSCxY98W/bfTWsm/kQ/OM7yqrdFmH6g7jJGzJwotuSTXIWJ7i6QMAwQyBIEE4oypBKuoSrFZe0Jkkt5rGvOFJuLydKI85pQKcb645tExc8SNymGJz/liexs8xE= ; Message-ID: <20050214192103.47832.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.141.32.2] by web52008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:21:03 PST Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:21:03 -0800 (PST) From: ann kok To: "Loren M. Lang" In-Reply-To: <20050213065610.GX8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: ean@hedron.org Subject: Re: ping question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:21:04 -0000 Hi all Thank you very much for your help The freebsd router is behind the cisco router. Do you have any experience to determine the traffic is in freebsd and cisco from outside? Can traceroute give figure to prove it? Please help Thank you again --- "Loren M. Lang" wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann kok > wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd > router > > but I don't understand ttl (time to live) > > > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58 > > Does it set by the router itself? > > Can I change it in freebsd? > > FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's is > probably 255. As > long as the number of hops neccessary to get to a > certain computer is > never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with it. > The highest I've > seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to have > to grow a bit, I > think, before it's an issue. > > > > > Thank you > > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151 ttl=251 > > time=100 ms > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152 ttl=251 > > time=103 ms > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153 ttl=251 > > time=104 ms > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154 ttl=251 > > time=106 ms > > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182 ttl=58 > > time=105 ms > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183 ttl=58 > > time=105 ms > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184 ttl=58 > > time=104 ms > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185 ttl=58 > > time=108 ms > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > I sense much NT in you. > NT leads to Bluescreen. > Bluescreen leads to downtime. > Downtime leads to suffering. > NT is the path to the darkside. > Powerful Unix is. > > Public Key: > ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc > Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 > 7A46 E4A3 280C > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 19:38:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D180016A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:38:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B186D43D46 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:38:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd-questions@trini0.org) Received: from hivemind.trini0.org (trini0.org[65.34.205.195]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005021419384001300f7vghe>; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:38:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.16] (gladiator.trini0.org [192.168.0.16]) by hivemind.trini0.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803506122; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:38:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4210FE40.4020809@trini0.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:38:40 -0500 From: Gerard Samuel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050122) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Clint Gilders References: <4210E482.4060204@trini0.org> <4210F1D9.4070405@onlinehobbyist.com> In-Reply-To: <4210F1D9.4070405@onlinehobbyist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Shabang executable path X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:38:40 -0000 Clint Gilders wrote: > Gerard Samuel wrote: > >> A bit off topic, but I figure someone in here, may be able to point >> me in the right direction. >> >> !#/path/to/php >> >> Im wondering, if its possible for the /path/to/php can be made dynamic. >> i.e. Have the file still look as if it is a shell script, but >> the path to the executable is determined at run time, >> to make it more portable. > > > Seems to me you could use: > > #!/usr/bin/env php > > Much like people often recommend for perl scripts. Very nice... #!/usr/bin/env php $ ./z.php -foo bar array(3) { [0]=> string(7) "./z.php" [1]=> string(4) "-foo" [2]=> string(3) "bar" } From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 21:01:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE7816A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:01:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from m22s13.vlinux.de (m22s13.vlinux.de [83.151.29.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAF243D1F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:01:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martin@ibert.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=lucca.dyndns.info) by m22s13.vlinux.de with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D0nLR-0001QG-5n; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:01:25 +0000 Received: by lucca.dyndns.info (delivery server) (Exim 4.44) id 1D0nLQ-000EhP-LC; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:01:24 +0100 Received: from volterra.home.ibert.com ([192.168.198.22]) by lucca.dyndns.info with esmtp (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0nLQ-000EhH-2b; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:01:24 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.8]); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:01:24 +0100 Message-ID: <421111A3.9040302@ibert.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:01:23 +0100 From: Martin Ibert User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.0.1.13; AVE: 6.29.0.11; VDF: 6.29.0.124; host: lucca.dyndns.info) Subject: Logo contest?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:01:34 -0000 Hi, I'm at a loss about whom to contact, since the PR slot on the contacts page only says "seat open". So I tried "questions". I've read on slashdot that you entertain the notion of running a FreeBSD logo contest. As a long-time user of FreeBSD, both professionally and privately, I seriously question the wisdom of doing so. For us old-timers in the IT field, the Beastie logo has always been a reassuring point of reference. BSD code has been renowned for being rock-solid, brilliantly engineered, and all that has been symbolized by the daemon logo. But alas! All your sibling projects that I am aware of have chickened out and chosen some other imagery as their logo (NetBSD, the faceless banner; OpenBSD, the fat fish; Dragonfly, what choice did they have?). You are the last one standing, the carrier of the flag. Please, don't chicken out like the others. Carry Chuck, the Beastie, forward into the new millennium, as a reassuring presence that excellence in coding is still alive and kicking (or be it with sneakers). Yours sincerely Martin Ibert -- I have this theory that the universe page faulted and is now executing garbage from the heap ... -- Mike Scandizzo, "Boat Anchor", 2000-04-05 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Ibert, , . From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 21:04:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A75316A4D1 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:04:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F4F43D46 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:04:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C339F354C28; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:04:37 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <421111A3.9040302@ibert.com> References: <421111A3.9040302@ibert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:04:39 -0500 To: Martin Ibert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Logo contest?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:04:39 -0000 On Feb 14, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Martin Ibert wrote: > Hi, > > I'm at a loss about whom to contact, since the PR slot on the contacts > page only says "seat open". So I tried "questions". > > I've read on slashdot that you entertain the notion of running a > FreeBSD logo contest. As a long-time user of FreeBSD, both > professionally and privately, I seriously question the wisdom of doing > so. > > For us old-timers in the IT field, the Beastie logo has always been a > reassuring point of reference. BSD code has been renowned for being > rock-solid, brilliantly engineered, and all that has been symbolized > by the daemon logo. > > But alas! All your sibling projects that I am aware of have chickened > out and chosen some other imagery as their logo (NetBSD, the faceless > banner; OpenBSD, the fat fish; Dragonfly, what choice did they have?). > You are the last one standing, the carrier of the flag. > > Please, don't chicken out like the others. Carry Chuck, the Beastie, > forward into the new millennium, as a reassuring presence that > excellence in coding is still alive and kicking (or be it with > sneakers). Dude, here's a can of worms. Do with it what you will. -Bart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 21:22:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBB016A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:22:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lemuria.unit.liu.se (lemuria.unit.liu.se [130.236.230.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7885C43D1D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:21:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ulfma629@student.liu.se) Received: by lemuria.unit.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 104) id 2EF72F472; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:21:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from liu.se (camelot.unit.liu.se [130.236.230.139]) by lemuria.unit.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BC9F460 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:21:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from [81.94.82.239] by mu.unit.liu.se (mshttpd); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:21:54 +0100 From: Ulf Magnusson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3364c30625.306253364c@liu.se> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:21:54 +0100 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2-liu_20050119_1740 (2004-11-16) on themis.unit.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, LIU_FROM_MATCHES_LIUSTUDENT autolearn=ham version=3.0.2-liu_20050119_1740 Subject: Weird disk problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:22:00 -0000 Today I decided to install FreeBSD, and so I grabbed a FreeBSD installation CD off the net. The first time I booted from the installation CD, everything went fine (seemingly), and I soon found myself in sysinstall. Not quite ready to install at that point, and needing to shut down the system, I quit sysinstall without having initiated any install or changed any settings (except maybe for the keymap, I can't remember). I returned later to commence the installation only to find that the boot process now hangs, the last message being "GEOM configure ad0s1, start 32256 length 112785007104 end 112785039359" (verbose logging). I did not start my computer between the two occasions, and didn't change my hardware configuration either. Windows, which I have installed on the same disk (I shrunk the NTFS partition by 10 GiB using Partition Magic to make way for FreeBSD), still boots fine. Help appreciated, Ulf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 21:38:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6C916A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:38:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8700D43D54 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:38:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdmail@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so3699973wra for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:38:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jW9Ih8srulmLe6XwvlJd+7K6UantZN6Lxv0ALq9lFyySNnmu1lAdiG1lNt7rNT8khobibC4QBpMfDwhrdfhJoG3Q4cdfV3QGrTcwuGJrlOl/wg1dSbhFfA5JWYUz/KwdomH2isag8JJbsNDm5F2XWO0qEMmefNQvaEQHDioYLxM= Received: by 10.54.27.76 with SMTP id a76mr198954wra; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.3.62 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:37:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8be663db0502141337b874381@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:37:59 -0800 From: BSD Mail To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <421076D9.40908@locolomo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8be663db0502140056105c9196@mail.gmail.com> <421076D9.40908@locolomo.org> cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Postfix + Auth + SSL + pop3s/imaps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: BSD Mail List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:38:01 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:00:57 +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote: > BSD Mail wrote: > > I have a 5.3 Server. I'm planning to install Postfix. > > I'm planning to use the Maildir format. > > > > I'm going to generate my own SSL certificates for mail > > and use it for smpts/imaps/pop3s. But I'm not sure what > > to use for authentication. I need to have the mail > > users/password seperated from the system user/password. > > Because some users will only have mail accounts and they > > won't have any shell access. > > You don't _need_ to separate them from the system password file, just > give them shell /usr/sbin/nologin, set homedir to /nonexistent, they can > still authenticate to fetch mail. Secondly, if users should receive > mail, postfix must know about them. This is normally done by lookup in > the password file. That's fine with me too. So with this method is PAM would be used for authentication ? Or I would still need SASL for smtp ? If there is a way to not use SASL at all I would like to know the available options that I have. Because I'm going to use Dovecot for pop3s and imaps, I would probably want to get rid of SASL if it's possible throughtout the entire mail suite if possible and use an easier and still secure as an auth method. > > I read about different auth mechanism and I know for sure that > > Plain Login is not what I want. I need DIGEST-MD5. I'm looking > > for something easier than SASL to configure. On my test server > > I tried to configure SASL and couldn't get DIGEST-MD5 to work. > > Any suggestion ? > > SASL isn't difficult too if you use the system password file. Just set > > pwcheck_method: saslauthd > mech_list: plain login > > in /usr/local/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf, remember to start saslauthd. Sasl > supports different schemes, I have only been able to make plain work, > maybe the others require use of sasldb. > > > Someone mentioned that I shouldn't worry about the authentication > > if it's Plain or Login because I'm going to use SSL and that would > > encrypt both Login and the data channel. I'm not sure if this is > > 100% true. Any idea ? > > First, your users don't have shell access, a compromise is a compromise > of their privacy not your system - ofcourse their privacy should be > protected, but it makes their account less interesting. > > Using ssl/tls you are tunnelling clear text passwords through an > encrypted connection. This protects against sniffing. So if SSL/TLS is tunneling clear text passwords and it's encrypting the connection then why would I need SASL in the first place ? Shouldn't adding user with nologin shell / nonexistent home and enabling TLS would suffice ? or I'm I missing something here? > > Last but not least, I'm going to add on top of all that a webmail. > > probably Openwebmail or squirrelmail. Which one of them > > would work better with all what I mentioned earlier: > > I use squirrelmail, don't worry too much about that, squirrelmail > connects through imap, so you server must support imap. The web > interface must be setup with ssl also. I think I will go with Openwebmail there is a patch to make it work with Maildir and also it does support SSL login. > > I was checking one of squirrelmail password plugins and I read this sentence: > > "Cyrus SASL includes a shell utility called "saslpasswd" for manipulating user > > passwords in the "sasldb" database. This patch attempts to use this utility to > > perform password manipulations required by your squirrelmail users without any > > administrative interaction. Unfortunately, this scheme requires that the > > "saslpasswd" utility be run as the "cyrus" user - a horrible security problem > > since we have chosen to SUID a small script which will allow this to happen." > > You will always have a security concern when letting some program mess > with passwords. Ofcourse this is particularly important if it messes > with system password file. > > An alternative is to employ eg. a ldap server - same problem, but at > least you get things separated. > > > I'm pretty confused about the authentication method to use. I'm trying to run > > everything as secure as possible. I configured Postfix to run chrooted. > > and I'm going to use SSL for sure. What auth should I choose for smtp ? > > Ok, I have pretty much the setup you want, except that I use cyrus-imap > which does not use Maildir nor Mailbox. Postfix can be setup to use > saslauth, it can be configured only to accept authentication through > encrypted connection using ssl. > > postfix supports the recommended use of start_tls to start an encrypted > connection on the default port 25 instead of smtps. I thought if I want to use smtps I have to use port 465 instead of 25. I want all outgoing email to use smtps. In this case if all mail is sent via smpts would that work fine even if the second hop doesn't have smtps ? In other words, would a mail server that uses port 25 for send and receive have a problem receiving mail from my server ? > I am not clear on how cyrus-imap supports this, or it's my mail program. > > The only reason not to use cyrus-imap is that you will have to > authenticate (again) if you read mail on the console, eg. using pine. Is that behavior because of authentication / SSL ? Or it is specific to cyrus-imap ? > Cheers, Erik > -- > Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org > S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt > Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 > Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 > -- Regards, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 21:39:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1D016A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:39:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91C543D2F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:39:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from greatnorthern@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so733786rnf for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:39:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Iy1LXng7qNEuVmbGZ/0JbuQQ8UqFgF4LbcwUFAULyDBaDqSX5rUH3L/fZhixz7zLmgZIAl+k1w+9+3vtx/c8jBuGLwM/64KtVRIFgD7fsZyAcJLUeOuH/OtKOQpKzOxjwKgAi8Dc9GBXthZSthNiOr1HOdYcF1sQvmz/iOUT68M= Received: by 10.38.163.59 with SMTP id l59mr189328rne; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.209.80 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:39:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <467b1e7a050214133960a74197@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:39:01 +0100 From: Fabian Anklam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <14810029770.20050214172307@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <705761739.20050214062756@wanadoo.fr> <14810029770.20050214172307@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fabian Anklam List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:39:03 -0000 > > First of all HP purchased Compaq a while ago, and when the sale was > > completed they dumped the Netserver line, servers from them are > > now HP Proliants. (Proliant was the Compaq line) > > Are they as good as their HP and Compaq predecessors? We recently had a Proliant DL380 for testing, seemed like solid hardware, literally, the server management CD for preparing the system for different flavors of OSes just worked as it was supposed to, neat integrated systems management solutions. Fine hardware from what I could tell in the little time I had with it and OEM solutions that seemed actually usefull. > > The Netservers and Proliants in general never had touble with FreeBSD. > > Considering they certified them with Solaris/Netware/etc. they had to > > be pretty standard. > > Compaq Proliants had a lot of weird stuff running on the server, as I > recall. As long as you stuck to the OEM versions it ran fine, but if > you tried to wipe the machine and install a vanilla OS, things went > wrong. The usual (old) Compaq problems reside in the system partion (or rather lack thereof) and for the Desktops in the less than mediocre BIOS. For the older PL servers a server management boot CD is usually all you need to get whatever you want running, for the Desktops it usually involves hunting down some firmware upgrades and boot disks to restore the system partition, nothing out of the ordinary. My FreeBSD box runs on a Deskpro EP 400 desktop coupled with a SMART2/SL RAID controller ripped out of a PL1600 - you can love or hate compaq, but their hardware was rock-solid. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 22:25:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8065316A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:25:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1183B43D45 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:25:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j1EMPDN15038; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:25:13 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200502142225.j1EMPDN15038@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: bsilver@chrononomicon.com (Bart Silverstrim) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:25:11 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Bart Silverstrim" at Feb 14, 2005 04:04:39 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Martin Ibert cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logo contest?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:25:51 -0000 > > > On Feb 14, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Martin Ibert wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm at a loss about whom to contact, since the PR slot on the contacts > > page only says "seat open". So I tried "questions". > > > > I've read on slashdot that you entertain the notion of running a > > FreeBSD logo contest. As a long-time user of FreeBSD, both > > professionally and privately, I seriously question the wisdom of doing > > so. > > > > For us old-timers in the IT field, the Beastie logo has always been a > > reassuring point of reference. BSD code has been renowned for being > > rock-solid, brilliantly engineered, and all that has been symbolized > > by the daemon logo. > > > > But alas! All your sibling projects that I am aware of have chickened > > out and chosen some other imagery as their logo (NetBSD, the faceless > > banner; OpenBSD, the fat fish; Dragonfly, what choice did they have?). > > You are the last one standing, the carrier of the flag. > > > > Please, don't chicken out like the others. Carry Chuck, the Beastie, > > forward into the new millennium, as a reassuring presence that > > excellence in coding is still alive and kicking (or be it with > > sneakers). > > Dude, here's a can of worms. Do with it what you will. > > -Bart We have had enough noise on this for two lifetimes. If you have to indulge yourself, just go look at the last week's archive and leave us alone. ////jerry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 22:35:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7445116A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:35:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2247F43D41 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:35:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ian@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=hercules.codepad.net) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1D0p6g-000DNK-Dq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:54:18 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:35:22 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200502102147.10722.ian@codepad.net> <200502121023.49960.ian@codepad.net> <20050212110216.GC606@nosferatu.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20050212110216.GC606@nosferatu.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502142235.23014.ian@codepad.net> Subject: Re: formatting a DVD+RW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:35:25 -0000 On Saturday 12 February 2005 11:02, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > You did not read the URL I pasted in a previous mail :( > > Marc oops. Now I read the whole thing I've made it work. Thanks -- /Xian "No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?" Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 22:53:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F4416A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:53:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a.mx.studio4plus.com (pe78.opole.sdi.tpnet.pl [217.96.240.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92C543D41 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:53:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcin@studio4plus.com) Received: from [81.190.220.150] (helo=simon) by a.mx.studio4plus.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0p60-0004GH-Mf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:53:37 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:53:36 +0100 From: Marcin Simonides To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050214225336.GA14062@simon> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Boot manager doesn't boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:53:42 -0000 In the few recent months I've been having problems with the standard FreeBSD bootmanager: instead of booting some systems it would just beep and do nothing. At first I had problems with booting Windows 2000 (I reinstalled it on the same partition it has been before for a few years, then windows installed its NTLDR, then I installed bootmgr with boot0cfg and only FreeBSD would boot. I started using NTLDR to boot both systems). Now I have two more HDDs and want to play with different OSes and I'd like this standard bootmgr (BootEasy, right?) because it doesn't need any configuration, it just works (or worked...). To the point: I installed FreeBSD 5.3 on a second disk to copy my user files and configs from 4-STABLE. Then I deleted last three slices of the first/old HDD (the first one was 8MB for Linux that I may install some day (<1024 cyl limit or sth), I left it), created a bigger slice for FreeBSD and a third one. After copying FreeBSD partitions and installing bootmgr (boot0cfg -B /dev/ad0; bsdlabel -B /dev/ad0s2, AFAIR) FreeBSD wouldn't boot - all I was getting was a beep after pressing F2. I then made a fresh install on that partition from CD - same thing. I removed the first small partition and created only two - now FreeBSD started (after installation) from the first partition. I think that's odd... Then I installed Solaris and got its own boot manager. Works nice, but I need to install Windows 2000 on a second disk and would like FreeBSD bootmgr's F5 - Drive 1 functionality for booting it. So I installed it: boot0cfg -B /dev/ad0 - and it doesn't boot neither FreeBSD nor Solaris - just beeps. Why? What can I do about this? (apart from reverting to the Solaris' bootmgr for now - the good thing about all this is that I learned to always back up the MBR :) I've spent quite a lot of time googling and searching the archives, but didn't find anything that would help :( -- marcin@studio4plus.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 22:57:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5223516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:57:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gwmail.thinkcp.com (64-60-18-50.cust.telepacific.net [64.60.18.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1123A43D39 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:57:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rknott@thinkcp.com) Received: from thinkdom-MTA by gwmail.thinkcp.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:00:24 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:59:59 -0800 From: "Richard Knott" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: FreeBSD on 8x AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:57:06 -0000 I would like to know if anyone has tested 5.3 release or later on a 8 CPU AMD Opteron system? Richard Knott Sr. Account Manager Think Computer Products 16812 Hale Ave. Irvine, Ca. 92606 800-726-2477 x 121 rknott@thinkcp.com http://www.thinkcp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC12516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:06:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326FA43D5D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:06:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E4EE11C00090 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:06:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8F0CF1C00092 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:06:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050214230639586.8F0CF1C00092@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:06:39 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <468469277.20050215000639@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1479247773.20050213212204@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:06:42 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > WRONG, the specific purpose is what's important, not the tool to > accomplish it. Sometimes the tool is part of the purpose, if you must be able to share data with other people or organizations. For example, if you have a client or supplier who requires AutoCAD or Photoshop native files, you have no choice but to run an Application that can read and generate these, and this in turn determines your choice of OS. These two formats are moderately widely supported, but many file formats are supported only by the applications for which they were originally designed. The problem grows more complicated if you need multiple applications; in that case, you must find an OS platform that supports all of them, or buy multiple computers. The numbers overwhelmingly favor Windows in this type of situation: the greater the number of applications you need to support, the more likely it is that only Windows will support them all. This is the inevitable consequence of the sheer number of desktop applications available for Windows. > If someone contracts with you to create an image and give the > output to them as a photoshop source file, then obviously in > that case Photoshop is a requirement. Yes, and unfortunately that happens a lot. The most frequent constraint I encounter myself is the need to read or write Microsoft Word files. Fortunately it is mostly just reading, so I can get away with the free Word viewer downloaded from MS, but if I must write the files, I have no choice but to use the dusty old copy of Office running on my oldest desktop machine. I personally have no use for Word at all, since I do all my text processing on Quark these days, but other people don't have Quark XPress, usually. > But if the same person wants the output as a tiff image, then there > is no requirement to use photoshop, there are many other tools > to create an image and output in tiff. That goes without saying. > But if your not needing to supply photoshop output, then you aren't > actually "needing" to use it. Your "choosing" to use it. Which means > that you COULD switch over to 100% UNIX if you selected other tools > to use. Yes. Unfortunately I _need_ to supply files in certain formats. But even if this were not the case, the obvious question still arises: WHY would I switch to 100% UNIX, when Windows works perfectly on the desktop? I have no ax to grind against Microsoft; I have no emotional attachment to any particular operating system. Windows is the logical choice for the desktop, why _shouldn't_ I use Windows? The only arguments I ever hear about this are invalid arguments, such as claims that Windows constantly crashes or is insecure. But my Windows systems don't crash, and I have no security problems with them. The only realistic argument is the cost, but I bought NT years ago and it has run ever since (I still have all the disks, too, so I could install it on a new machine if I retire the only one). Windows XP came preinstalled. It is true that the cost of installing Windows new on a machine is formidable, but I'd be compelled to do that, anyway, since I must have a Windows desktop somewhere. > People always use the line "I have to run (insert here) Word, Excel, > Powerpoint, etc. etc. because my boss tells me to do so, that is > why I can't switch" But this is MOSTLY in my experience, a load > of bullcrap. Most of them could work up their business letter in > any old wordprocessor, work up their spreadsheet in any old spreadsheet > program, work up their presentation in any old presentation program. > As long as the work got done, their boss is going to be happy. > But people like to say this to give themselves an excuse for > not having to learn how to use a new program. They don't need an excuse. If they have a program that they know how to use, there's no reason at all for them to learn to use another program. It's not up to these people to justify to you their continuing use of a solution that has always worked for them and continues to work for them. It's up to you to explain to them why they should expend additional time and effort learning to use something new just to accomplish exactly the same thing. > You should hear the whining and pissing and moaning in a typical > office every time Microsoft upgrades one of their program and > a new version comes out. There will be whining and moaning any time a new version of anything comes out. Usually upgrades aren't nearly as necessary as having the applications to begin with, so only a fraction of all upgrades are actually needed. It's interesting that you see the users' pain when it comes to switching to a new version of the same product, but you don't seem to understand why users would not want to switch to an entirely different product that offers no advantages and requires a long period of training and accommodation. You seem to think that switching from Windows to UNIX is no big deal, even though it serves no purpose, whereas switching from Word X to Word Y is a big deal, even though it sometimes serves an important purpose. > It's the same issue. People just don't like learning how to do > something in a new way, that's all it is. It doesen't mean they > couldn't do it, though. But why should they? For most people, a computer is about as interesting as a washing machine. They use it for their work, or to get other things done at home, and that's it. They want the path of least resistance so that they don't have to waste time thinking about computers. And on the desktop, the path of least resistance is Windows. > This is baloney. There may be several hundred thousand Windows apps > out there but there are only a few hundred that most Windows users > use. That's all it takes. Any given desktop application chosen at random is more likely to run on Windows than any other OS. The probability that at least one application out of a random set of applications will require Windows is the product of the individual probabilities. Once you're beyond two or three applications, you have virtually no choice but to run Windows. This is skewed by the relative popularity of applications, such that the most popular PC functions can also be performed by equivalent applications on other platforms. But even in this case, the inevitable question comes up again: Why bother? Windows does the job, so why _not_ install Windows? > No they don't, they use HTML editors which while they have a section > that is text input, they do a lot of other things as well. No, they really do use text editors. They are usually good text editors with text highlighting and other useful functions, but they are text editors. HTML is just text files with a couple of keywords in them, by design, and so the most efficient and flexible way to build Web pages is still with a text editor. > An accurate statement would be that professional webmasters generally > use text to build their sites, but it's absurd to imply that they use > vi or notepad for this. Some of them do, but more often they use slightly more advanced editors. I recently switched to UltraEdit 32, for example, which allowed me to stop using the bloated Visual InterDev that I had for years. The only thing I used in InterDev was the text editor and the file tree, and UltraEdit has both. But UltraEdit is still more of a text editor than anything else. It is almost 100 times cheaper than the latest versions of Web-building software from Microsoft. > And if you want to be professional about it and get the thing done > in time, you use Macromedia Homesite or something equivalent. No, you can just write plain text. HTML was invented to be simple to create with a text editor, and it still is, despite the determined attempts of software companies to hide this fact. But this is irrelevant to FreeBSD. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:11:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACA716A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:11:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BFC43D3F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:11:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2752D1C0009F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:11:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 023C61C0009A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:11:07 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050214231108927.023C61C0009A@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:11:07 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <435651952.20050215001107@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050214111122.GA7268@lothlorien.nagual.st> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:11:09 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > Like Anthony, I do use Windows on the desktop myself. Well, that says it all, doesn't it? > But not exclusively. If you had only one computer that could boot only one OS, which would it be? > And, much more importantly, I will readily admit that I haven't > switched over not because I'm claiming I can't, I haven't switched > over because of laziness. What's lazy about sticking with something that works? > In my case I unfortunately decided it might be a good thing to use a > Microsoft client mail program to handle e-mail. This was a decade ago. > I now have around ten thousand archived e-mail messages accumulated in > a massive *.pst file that I really want to keep - not because I want > to look at all of them again some day, but because from time to time I > have to go digging around in that archive looking for some specific > piece from some specific person - sometimes these messages might be > 5-6 years old. Many e-mail programs can import messages from Outlook and/or Outlook Express. When I switched to The Bat (mainly to better handle spam and eliminate security issues), I was able to import all messages from Outlook Express without any trouble. > One of these days though when I get some time, that file is going to > get exported so that I can get out of dealing with Outlook. As it is > now, Outlook is barely able to manage the archive, and usually crashes > a couple times a day. And it's such a well written program that when > that happens, something internal to Windows gets jammed up and I have > to do a shutdown and restart. Microsoft likes to put all sorts of system hooks in its products. That's why I've tried to get away from Microsoft applications. I still have a few legacy Microsoft applications that I haven't been able to get rid of, however. All the replacements run on Windows, also. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:15:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4473416A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:15:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19BC43D2D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:15:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3653C1C0008D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:15:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 197141C00089 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:15:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050214231520104.197141C00089@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:15:19 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <353141149.20050215001519@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4210D3DD.10808@makeworld.com> References: <382521231.20050213212528@wanadoo.fr> <1709020540.20050214172431@wanadoo.fr> <4210D3DD.10808@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:15:21 -0000 Chris writes: > That's a matter of point of view. If the user using FBSD uses a WM of > his/her choice, and they are happy with the way if works - there isn't > an issue. Perhaps, but in a more objective sense, GUIs are an unnecessary complication on servers. Most of the time, nobody is looking at the monitor. Sometimes there is no monitor. A GUI just squanders resources on a server that might need those resources for something else someday. None of the server operations that a sysadmin might have to carry out needs a GUI. Operations that must be done remotely are a thousand times faster to do with a simple terminal CLI than with a bandwidth-hogging GUI. And the present of a GUI on the server destabilizes the machine, for reasons I have already explained. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:18:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16BF16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:18:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B8843D39 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:18:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BB9161C00098 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:18:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 99DA61C00094 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:18:57 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050214231857630.99DA61C00094@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:18:57 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1587470376.20050215001857@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:18:58 -0000 Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > I have to go with Loren, the BSOD certainly still comes up with > NT/2k/(especially)XP systems. I have had systems that would Blue > Screen about once a week. And, before someone (read Anthony) comes > out saying "You're using bum drivers or flaky apps" I definitely was. > I was, however, using ONLY things coming from the Windows Install CDs > or the Windows updates system which means that it's the OS itself that > is at fault. No, it's not. The drivers are often written by third parties, even when they are provided with the OS. And if they contain bugs, they may crash the system. Unfortunately, modules that provide access to the hardware for the operating system must execute at the same level of privilege as the kernel; in other words, they must be "trusted." The OS has no defense against bugs in these modules. This is true in any OS, and it is often a problem for operating systems if the device drivers (or their equivalents) are unreliable. The OS itself is not faulting; the device drivers are doing that. But the OS has no choice but to trust the device drivers, otherwise they cannot fulfill their purpose. So if they fault, they often do so in kernel mode, and the OS is forced to take the system down for reasons of safety. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:24:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4527E16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:24:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED96843D1D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:24:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5BFC31C00097 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:24:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3A8F91C00091 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:24:15 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050214232415239.3A8F91C00091@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:24:14 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1657921138.20050215002414@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <467b1e7a050214133960a74197@mail.gmail.com> References: <705761739.20050214062756@wanadoo.fr> <14810029770.20050214172307@wanadoo.fr> <467b1e7a050214133960a74197@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:24:16 -0000 Fabian Anklam writes: > We recently had a Proliant DL380 for testing, seemed like solid > hardware, literally, the server management CD for preparing the system > for different flavors of OSes just worked as it was supposed to ... What preparation is required? Can't you just wipe the disk and install what you want, or has HP/Compaq screwed around with the hardware so much that this is no longer possible? Do they provide for FreeBSD in their "preparations"? > The usual (old) Compaq problems reside in the system partion (or > rather lack thereof) and for the Desktops in the less than mediocre > BIOS. For the older PL servers a server management boot CD is usually > all you need to get whatever you want running, for the Desktops it > usually involves hunting down some firmware upgrades and boot disks to > restore the system partition, nothing out of the ordinary. So they are just as bad as they used to be. Compaq's own garbage on their machines has always been a support headache. They just can't leave things alone. > My FreeBSD box runs on a Deskpro EP 400 desktop coupled with a > SMART2/SL RAID controller ripped out of a PL1600 - you can love or > hate compaq, but their hardware was rock-solid. The hardware itself has had a very good reputation. I'm happy to hear that this is still the case (and unhappy to hear that they still can't keep their hands out of it). -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:30:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C9C16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:30:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B63343D2F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:30:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 77DE151432; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:30:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:30:49 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Dick Hoogendijk Message-ID: <20050214233049.GC98419@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <44is5imspz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <420FD249.4060408@mac.com> <2147483647.1108326906@[192.168.2.100]> <20050214023836.GA27431@xor.obsecurity.org> <20050214112407.GB7268@lothlorien.nagual.st> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lCAWRPmW1mITcIfM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050214112407.GB7268@lothlorien.nagual.st> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:30:50 -0000 --lCAWRPmW1mITcIfM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:24:07PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > On 13 Feb Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 08:35:06PM -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > > > --On Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:18 PM -0500 Chuck Swiger =20 > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >Did you read /usr/ports/UPDATING? It contains a suggestion for how = to > > > >update the Perl ports which might have helped... > > > > > > > Well, no. Why on earth would I do *that*? ;-) > > >=20 > > > (Thanks for the tip. I ran it.) I wonder why the perl port doesn't= =20 > > > include this command in a post-install script? > >=20 > > It's a once-off change needed when updating from an older version, and > > the post-install script (or any other part of the port build) doesn't > > know that this is what is happening. >=20 > Meaning I don't run this update script when updating perl from say > "5.8.5" to "5.8.6" ? No, that what I meant by "when updating from an older version". When perl changes from e.g. 5.8.6 to 5.8.6_1 (an internal port change that doesn't change where the files are stored on disk) you don't need to take special action. Kris --lCAWRPmW1mITcIfM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCETSoWry0BWjoQKURAtNeAKCCi68j4tG1c634lzLI31OSlF9OtQCcC4d8 L4wIrTlqtfwwsWg7mUySh3I= =23qb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lCAWRPmW1mITcIfM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:54:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E72A16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:54:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F120843D53 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:54:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7D16129 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:54:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48207-02 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:54:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A8E60F0 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:54:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <42113A4D.6040908@makeworld.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:54:53 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050101) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <382521231.20050213212528@wanadoo.fr> <1709020540.20050214172431@wanadoo.fr> <4210D3DD.10808@makeworld.com> <353141149.20050215001519@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <353141149.20050215001519@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:54:31 -0000 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chris writes: > > >>That's a matter of point of view. If the user using FBSD uses a WM of >>his/her choice, and they are happy with the way if works - there isn't >>an issue. > > > Perhaps, but in a more objective sense, GUIs are an unnecessary > complication on servers. Most of the time, nobody is looking at the > monitor. Sometimes there is no monitor. A GUI just squanders resources > on a server that might need those resources for something else someday. > None of the server operations that a sysadmin might have to carry out > needs a GUI. Operations that must be done remotely are a thousand times > faster to do with a simple terminal CLI than with a bandwidth-hogging > GUI. And the present of a GUI on the server destabilizes the machine, > for reasons I have already explained. > I will agree on this point - A server does not NEED to a WM (none of mine do). However, I am speaking from a desktop point of view. -- Best regards, Chris You sure have to borrow a lot of money these days to be an average consumer. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 23:57:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E085B16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:57:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7459443D39 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:57:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so753086rnf for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:57:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ja9vlQU7o4Q0x60yt4HnTyvxvK1GZD2TCoXxmopwB5ya9YyX4mFmsocxuDvFiI7hSO/9VluRFtYAvtdrygvSlqXH5TzMGORFIrZsdlTM8gRuRQ3flUEFd48cM0NR2EiIuh+KhIt7cOn0vl6eocwUG5/dkDbA5TAHdDfRSl3B+mM= Received: by 10.38.209.48 with SMTP id h48mr22786rng; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:57:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:57:52 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1587470376.20050215001857@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <20050213035851.GV8619@alzatex.com> <1587470376.20050215001857@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:57:54 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:18:57 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > > > I have to go with Loren, the BSOD certainly still comes up with > > NT/2k/(especially)XP systems. I have had systems that would Blue > > Screen about once a week. And, before someone (read Anthony) comes > > out saying "You're using bum drivers or flaky apps" I definitely was. > > I was, however, using ONLY things coming from the Windows Install CDs > > or the Windows updates system which means that it's the OS itself that > > is at fault. > > No, it's not. The drivers are often written by third parties, even when > they are provided with the OS. And if they contain bugs, they may > crash the system. > > Unfortunately, modules that provide access to the hardware for the > operating system must execute at the same level of privilege as the > kernel; in other words, they must be "trusted." The OS has no defense > against bugs in these modules. This is true in any OS, and it is often > a problem for operating systems if the device drivers (or their > equivalents) are unreliable. > > The OS itself is not faulting; the device drivers are doing that. But > the OS has no choice but to trust the device drivers, otherwise they > cannot fulfill their purpose. So if they fault, they often do so in > kernel mode, and the OS is forced to take the system down for reasons of > safety. > Well, no that's not entirely true...First off, there's the claim by Windows itself that it's not drivers. You've read the code (as you say) and know that Windows wouldn't possibly lie about the fact that it's not the drivers. And then there's the thing where since one is including drivers along with an operating system, they are part of the operating system even if they were written by a third party. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 00:03:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A405416A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:03:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web54104.mail.yahoo.com (web54104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2284843D3F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:03:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saigon_ca@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52574 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2005 00:03:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FSt6n/t7w1WBT8jnO7vSB0YceAlnhrsJBZiZTBP7wp0SMXr6tEFXkWjCPBDdqLwQnN9hIUDb+ylOk56UL+vxPF39qROFzU7cJVBUljTkgvzsZf7CqYALMGuGnOCV4OrAHFeVyEbfBO88+weMElfzT7glEjur3nac7NsA2y4MTBo= ; Message-ID: <20050215000314.52572.qmail@web54104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.228.92.127] by web54104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:03:13 CST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:03:13 +0800 (CST) From: Kangaroo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: setup virtual server problems. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:03:15 -0000 Question about setup virtual server.. X4 zoom ADSL modem&router WANIP from X4: 64.234.33.45 LAN IP 10.0.0.6 this zoom ADSL modem connnect to D-LINK broadband router WAN PORT of D-LINK connect to WANPORT of ZOOM X4 WANIP :10.0.0.11 LAN IP: 192.168.0.2 D-LINK has enable virtual severs to allow port 21.. from IP 192.168.0.99 >From ZOOM setup virtual server? Is it correct to setup like this allow port pubport 21 private port 21 -- addr. 192.168.0.99 Testing the virtual server ftp://64.234.33.45 entering this addr, lead me to zoom admin config setup.. while I WANT to see ftp page is up...( since it set anonymous ftp .... ) WHat is missing? how to run test correctly? Cheers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 00:08:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C35516A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:08:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hurricane.systemmetrics.com (hurricane.systemmetrics.com [66.135.230.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD99543D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:08:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kchapman@systemmetrics.com) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:08:25 -1000 Message-ID: <5C7BFA11917D504C90B39AD593859525098270@hurricane.systemmetrics.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SMP kernel Thread-Index: AcUS8ngH4eDY9lPmTRG1NJ8Eg8U5ww== From: "Kara Chapman" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: SMP kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:08:36 -0000 Hi, =20 I am running FreeBSD 5.3 and have recently rebuilt the kernel to use SMP. Ever since, I get these error messages from postfix on a regular basis: =20 postfix/smtpd[49491]: fatal: accept connection: Invalid argument =20 Does anyone know what this means and if it's at all related to the new kernel? Other than adding SMP, the kernel is using all the defaults. =20 Thanks in advance... =20 -Kara =20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 00:43:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E524116A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:43:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB5443D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:43:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5C1C11C00094 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:43:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3C8BF1C00093 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:43:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050215004337248.3C8BF1C00093@mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:43:37 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <16113082.20050215014337@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <1587470376.20050215001857@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:43:39 -0000 Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > Well, no that's not entirely true...First off, there's the claim by > Windows itself that it's not drivers. The OS itself never identifies problems as being within the drivers. Driver code is assimilated with the kernel while it is running. > You've read the code (as you say) and know that Windows wouldn't > possibly lie about the fact that it's not the drivers. Sure it would. Most error messages are generic; few programmers are conscientious enough to put in extremely detailed and specific error messages. And in some cases the OS doesn't really know what happened, especially for faults in the kernel (or the drivers, which are assimilated with the kernel, as I've said). > And then there's the thing where since one is including drivers along > with an operating system, they are part of the operating system even > if they were written by a third party. They are not part of the operating system. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 00:46:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9BC16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:46:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from luzifer.incubus.de (incubus.de [80.237.207.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0421E43D39 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:46:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mkb@incubus.de) Received: from [192.168.2.10] (pD9E68171.dip.t-dialin.net [217.230.129.113]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luzifer.incubus.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9028E310D8; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:46:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <42114695.4030709@incubus.de> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:47:17 +0100 From: Matthias Buelow User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris References: <382521231.20050213212528@wanadoo.fr> <1709020540.20050214172431@wanadoo.fr> <4210D3DD.10808@makeworld.com> <353141149.20050215001519@wanadoo.fr> <42113A4D.6040908@makeworld.com> In-Reply-To: <42113A4D.6040908@makeworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:46:58 -0000 Chris wrote: > I will agree on this point - A server does not NEED to a WM (none of > mine do). However, I am speaking from a desktop point of view. Can you please move that discussion to a newsgroup, or to private mail? Thanks. mkb. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:00:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CCF16A4CF for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:00:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web1.hostrack.com (web1.hostrack.com [204.10.137.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADCE43D39 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:00:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stevei@black-star.net) Received: (qmail 26880 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2005 03:53:21 -0000 Received: from adsl-210-34-46.mco.bellsouth.net (HELO ?192.168.1.25?) (68.210.34.46) by il.hightechkids.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 03:53:21 -0000 Message-ID: <420C2C33.4020607@black-star.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:53:23 -0500 From: Steve Ireland User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: please, a little sanity about the logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:00:43 -0000 Hello, As a rule I don't post to mailing lists, especially about bike sheds, but I have seen a firestorm on this list and questions@ concerning the logo and most of them are vitriol or hysteria or vitriolic hysteria. First, I've been using, selling, and supporting FBSD since 2.2.2. In that time, I think I have become as fond of Beastie as anyone. While selling nearly a thousand installations (not systems), I have never encountered a problem over the logo, and I have put many a Beastie badge on a case. Changing a brand identifier is not something to be done on a whim. In the case of FBSD, which has a "community" rather than a corporate hierarchy, decisions like this need to be floated and allowed to settle before being finalized. This leads to the first question, should the logo be changed. Frankly, I don't know. Absent marketing studies, no way exists to know. Were studies done? If yes, will they be shared? If studies were not done, what methodology was used to determine the current logo is a hindrance to FBSD gaining market share? This leads to the second question, how pick the new one. Considering Beastie has been around since the beginning with no real objection until, apparently, recently, how do you (whomever "you" are) know the one you pick to replace it will be _better_ and not just different? This leads to a suggestion others have already made, a splitting of FBSD into hobbyist and professional branches. The hobbyists keep Beastie, the .org site, and the non-profit status. The professionals get the new logo, the .com site, and pay for use and support (perhaps an annual subscription?). Now, an issue not yet brought up. I believe the real problem with FBSD market share has more to do with its lack of visibilty in the market itself. Other than mentions so rare that links to them are posted on the website, I see almost no news concerning FBSD. Looking through advocacy@'s archive, I seen almost no pro-active posts. So let me make this into one. Here are my suggestions to improve FBSD market share, regardless of logo change: 0. Dedicated marketing department - The Foundation as it currently exists is clearly insufficient to meet FBSD's needs. You think Redhat or Suse don't have one? 1. Advertise - There are many ways to do this besides a full-page glossy in Sys Admin. For instance, ask people using FBSD for hosting to mention that fact in their own ads. If the example of yahoo.com didn't come up from time to time on the lists, who would know they use it? 2. Make it easier for the media, etc. to find an authorative source - How many times have people posted "How do I find a FBSD spokesman" on various lists (especially questions@) and been given inappropriate responses from random community members. In my opinion, that has done more harm than any logo ever will. 3. Performance matters - As much as I hate this issue, it is a real one. Look at CPU, RAM, and hard drive sizes. More is better. A common refrain is how well *nix does on slow systems compared to Windows (or, emphasizing its lack of performance, Windoze). 5.3 is observably slower and less stable than 4.11. Now I have to convince customers that the slower version is the better choice. I don't even try. I won't even mention 5.x until it is at least as good as 4.11. 4. Quality support for common hardware - Anyone using USB 2.0 without problems? Trouble free installation while using a USB keyboard? SATA raid controllers? (Please don't give the tired line, "Code it yourself if you want it." That's ANOTHER reason FBSD suffers in the marketplace.) To sum up, if changing the logo is being done for sound business reasons, based on sound business information, all well and good. If its being done to appease religious zealots (as seems to be the case), then FBSD will be a laughing-stock. All of the "printing" issues seems like an after-the-fact justification to me, especially considering that I not have ever seen any printed FBSD literature other than the few commercially available books. In either case, I doubt a logo change will have a beneficial impact given FBSD's other marketing shortcomings. For better or worse, Steve Ireland From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:09:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7DB16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:09:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B9D43D49 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:09:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7801B52BFA; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:09:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:09:33 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Kara Chapman Message-ID: <20050215010932.GA28763@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <5C7BFA11917D504C90B39AD593859525098270@hurricane.systemmetrics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5C7BFA11917D504C90B39AD593859525098270@hurricane.systemmetrics.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:09:35 -0000 --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 02:08:25PM -1000, Kara Chapman wrote: > Hi, >=20 > =20 >=20 > I am running FreeBSD 5.3 and have recently rebuilt the kernel to use > SMP. Ever since, I get these error messages from postfix on a regular > basis: >=20 > =20 >=20 > postfix/smtpd[49491]: fatal: accept connection: Invalid argument >=20 > =20 >=20 > Does anyone know what this means and if it's at all related to the new > kernel? Other than adding SMP, the kernel is using all the defaults. Do the messages persist if you set debug.mpsafenet=3D0 in your /boot/loader.conf and reboot (this is only a workaround since it causes relative performance degradation, but it will help to identify where the problem might be)? Kris --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEUvMWry0BWjoQKURAiGGAJ99gmqEV9gfJVIrIkwxF5Zld9kVGwCfXj/l SiWwNQAhg8ZNMso7Hw4esZk= =YOU3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:16:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C0916A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:16:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alpargata.net (alpargata.net [67.18.172.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F341643D39 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:16:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl081-061-217.dsl-isp.net [64.81.61.217] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by alpargata.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1F1eYrK065687 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:40:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Vonleigh Simmons Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:14:38 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/624/Thu Dec 9 13:01:06 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on alpargata.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:16:05 -0000 >> Flight Simulator I missed this. If you want a game, use that. But if you want a real flight simulator check out x-plane: >> Microsoft Internet Explorer If you need to run explorer to access a website, someone should be fired. Standards compliance is a good thing. Vonleigh Simmons From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:26:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D0B16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:26:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from top.daemonsecurity.com (FW-182-254.go.retevision.es [62.174.254.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A960843D55 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:26:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [192.168.0.32] (charm.daemonsecurity.com [192.168.0.32]) by top.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4441FD01F; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:26:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <42114FDA.9040701@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:26:50 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050127 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, da, it, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BSD Mail References: <8be663db0502140056105c9196@mail.gmail.com> <421076D9.40908@locolomo.org> <8be663db0502141337b874381@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8be663db0502141337b874381@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Postfix + Auth + SSL + pop3s/imaps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:26:57 -0000 BSD Mail wrote: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:00:57 +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote: >>You don't _need_ to separate them from the system password file, just >>give them shell /usr/sbin/nologin, set homedir to /nonexistent, they can >>still authenticate to fetch mail. Secondly, if users should receive >>mail, postfix must know about them. This is normally done by lookup in >>the password file. > > That's fine with me too. So with this method is PAM would be used for > authentication ? Or I would still need SASL for smtp ? I use saslauthd only. > If there is a way to not use SASL at all I would like to know the > available options that I have. Because I'm going to use Dovecot > for pop3s and imaps, I would probably want to get rid of SASL > if it's possible throughtout the entire mail suite if possible and > use an easier and still secure as an auth method. well, don't ask me :-) as I wrote, I use sasl and it works for me. But, many servers, including postfix, comes with ldap support so instead of using sasl or the password file a lookup in the ldap directory is done. Before you make your choice, you really need to decide if users will have a unix account or not (regardless if they can login) and then decide which mail servers (imap/pop) to run based on which supports that setup. All, AFAIK, support the unix account. > So if SSL/TLS is tunneling clear text passwords and it's encrypting the > connection then why would I need SASL in the first place ? Shouldn't adding > user with nologin shell / nonexistent home and enabling TLS would suffice ? > or I'm I missing something here? The point of using sasl to separate privileges. The server that requires users to authenticate can run unprivileged and request saslauthd to authenticate. Otherwise the server must run as root in order to access the master passwd file and authenticate. Running your server with root privileges may be required anyway if mail is stored as maildir/mailbox files, whereas cyrus-imap maintains it's own privilege control. One of the cool features of cyrus-imap is that you can share folders among users. This is neat instead of mailinglist if you for example have a support@ address. > I think I will go with Openwebmail there is a patch to make it work > with Maildir and also it does support SSL login. You will gain freedom if your webmail issues an imap connection, since you are going to support imap anyway. This means that you can move your webmail service independently of the mail server - be it openwebmail or squirrelmail. > I thought if I want to use smtps I have to use port 465 instead of 25. > I want all outgoing email to use smtps. In this case if all mail is > sent via smpts would that work fine even if the second hop doesn't > have smtps ? In other words, would a mail server that uses port > 25 for send and receive have a problem receiving mail from my server ? smtps on port 465 is depreciated. The way it works is that the client connects to port 25 and issues a "START_TLS" command. Then the server and client will exchange keys and an encrypted session is initiated. Same thing for imaps. The only difference from smtps is that both encrypted and unencrypted connections goes on the same port, and the point is to avoid saturation of the port interval 1-1023. The only exception is https which is considered to be so wide spread that it will remain on port 443. The cool thing is that you can configure postfix such that when the client requests which commands are available, "authenticate" is only available if an encrypted connection has been established. >>The only reason not to use cyrus-imap is that you will have to >>authenticate (again) if you read mail on the console, eg. using pine. > > Is that behavior because of authentication / SSL ? Or it is specific > to cyrus-imap ? This is because the mail client opens an imap connection, where as if it used Mailbox it would just read from a file. So, it is not cyrus nor ssl. My solution is that normally I don't use a text based client anyway. For vital accounts such as root, I dump mail into a file also, so I have access to that important mail if everything else just doesn't work. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:34:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7201916A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:34:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A85643D41 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:34:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 526661C00088 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:34:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 396661C00085 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:34:25 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050215013425235.396661C00085@mwinf1108.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:34:24 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:34:26 -0000 Vonleigh Simmons writes: > If you need to run explorer to access a website, someone should be > fired. Standards compliance is a good thing. MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost any other browser. Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less so. Webmasters should probably be replaced if they design an open Web site for any _specific_ browser. Internal web sites are a different story. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:41:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024F416A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:41:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A2143D53 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:41:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0rif-0005uA-9h for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:41:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:41:40 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:41:44 -0000 On Feb 14, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Vonleigh Simmons writes: > >> If you need to run explorer to access a website, someone should be >> fired. Standards compliance is a good thing. > > MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost > any other browser. Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less > so. That is laughable. MS IE on Windows has one of the worst reputations around for following web standards. Go ask any professional designer. For a long time, IE on the Mac was one of the best, but it too fell behind and is no a discontinued product. Chad > > Webmasters should probably be replaced if they design an open Web site > for any _specific_ browser. Internal web sites are a different story. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:48:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EE116A4CF for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:48:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15A443D53 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:48:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 89F851C00086 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:48:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6BEAF1C00084 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:48:36 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050215014836442.6BEAF1C00084@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:48:36 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1497115560.20050215024836@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:48:38 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > That is laughable. MS IE on Windows has one of the worst reputations > around for following web standards. Go ask any professional designer. I did better. I actually ran the W3C conformance tests against MSIE, and it passed. At the time, no other browser came close. Today, MSIE is not the only browser with good conformance, but it is still one of the best. Firefox is young and has some security issues that worry me, but we shall see. Opera has the disadvantage of not being free, and you don't really get much in exchange for paying for it that you wouldn't already get with Firefox or MSIE. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 01:58:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9719216A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:58:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685A743D41 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:58:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0ryV-0006Nl-1z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:58:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1497115560.20050215024836@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> <1497115560.20050215024836@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <06433BF9-7EF5-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:58:02 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:58:03 -0000 On Feb 14, 2005, at 6:48 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> That is laughable. MS IE on Windows has one of the worst reputations >> around for following web standards. Go ask any professional designer. > > I did better. I actually ran the W3C conformance tests against MSIE, > and it passed. At the time, no other browser came close. > > Today, MSIE is not the only browser with good conformance, but it is > still one of the best. Firefox is young and has some security issues > that worry me, but we shall see. Opera has the disadvantage of not > being free, and you don't really get much in exchange for paying for it > that you wouldn't already get with Firefox or MSIE. > You can say all you want. Every professional designer I have ever talked with lamented the poor state of standards conformance of IE for Windows. And they could document it. MS only has compatibility with itself, and that is it. And since it is the 800lb gorilla, they think they can basically do whatever they want. People I highly respect have done lots of tests of browsers with the standard and conformance to the W3C standards suites and IE Windows does not do that well. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 02:13:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBA216A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:13:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 55D4E43D1F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:13:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dkelly@HiWAAY.net) Received: (qmail 19277 invoked by uid 0); 15 Feb 2005 02:13:46 -0000 Received: from user-69-73-60-132.knology.net (HELO ?10.0.0.68?) (69.73.60.132) by smtp5.knology.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 02:13:46 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <77803d5ce17805187218b4cdfb6cc83d@HiWAAY.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:13:44 -0600 To: FreeBSD_Questions FreeBSD_Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:13:48 -0000 On Feb 14, 2005, at 3:48 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > The main difference between a desktop and a server is a server > needs beefy disk I/O or beefy CPU power or both, while a desktop > needs beefy video and can often make due with piss-poor disk I/O. No, the main difference between a server and a desktop is that many people are counting on the server to function without error while only one person is inconvenienced when the desktop fails. Servers get better hardware because its a cost savings for the server to be more reliable and the added performance helps more users. Servers should also have the most reliable software but that is where Microsoft cuts corners for additional profit and provide employment for MSCE's whom otherwise would not be needed. There is no reason a server should not have a GUI so long as it does not detract from the server's function. Use of a GUI to "dumb-down" the system doesn't work as Microsoft has shown. Apple is smart enough to pull it off, but all Microsoft has done is continue to guarantee employment for MSCE's who continue to exclusively recommend any and everything Microsoft who in turn continually ensures these champions stay employed. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 02:16:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3962D16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:16:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from newalpha.avalonworks.net (newalpha.avalonworks.net [216.58.97.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC1443D46 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:16:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hindrich@worldchat.com) Received: from Brantford-ppp3520455.sympatico.ca (Brantford-ppp3520455.sympatico.ca [206.172.134.24])j1F2GWiL003911 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:16:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hindrich@worldchat.com) From: Peterhin To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:17:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502142117.03689.hindrich@worldchat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.82/705/Fri Feb 11 11:51:32 2005 on newalpha.avalonworks.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Kernel Config. Menu.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:16:35 -0000 I have been reading the handbook and have started my installation, from a CD. However it goes straight to the sysinstall menu, it does not give me the Kernel Configuration menu, as per the handbook. (2.3.2 Kernel Configuration) What am I doing wrong, or what am I missing here.? Many Thanks. -- Peter "Peace is never more than one thought away" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 02:47:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCFF16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:47:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94D743D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:47:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1D0skC-00016M-24; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:47:20 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:47:53 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200502142117.03689.hindrich@worldchat.com> In-Reply-To: <200502142117.03689.hindrich@worldchat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502142047.53751.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bca526d320692ac8e4ae8b62471f13acf4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: Peterhin Subject: Re: Kernel Config. Menu.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:47:21 -0000 On Monday 14 February 2005 08:17 pm, Peterhin wrote: > I have been reading the handbook and have started my installation, > from a CD. > However it goes straight to the sysinstall menu, it does not give me > the Kernel Configuration menu, as per the handbook. (2.3.2 Kernel > Configuration) > What am I doing wrong, or what am I missing here.? > > Many Thanks. What version are you installing? I don't think 5.3 has that option -- not needed for the most part. Best of luck, Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 02:48:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2886116A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:48:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dreadlock.phreakout.net (dreadlock.phreakout.net [208.51.56.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 802EA43D1D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:48:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@phreakout.net) Received: (qmail 21061 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 02:55:21 -0000 Received: from 24-52-224-96.kntnny.adelphia.net (HELO ?192.168.0.101?) (24.52.224.96) by dreadlock.phreakout.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 02:55:21 -0000 Message-ID: <421162ED.2070807@phreakout.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:48:13 -0500 From: Bob Ababurko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: how to configure a port for install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:48:16 -0000 Hello- I am trying to figure out how to configure the ports....what I am trying to do is add mhash to my system that a new script needs and I have to add the --with-mhash=[dir] when I compile php. Well I installed php with the ports and I am hoping to reinstall it with this added. I have tried to add it to the Makefile under the configure options, but I got an error that said: "Unassociated shell command". That obviously is not the right way. Can someone please direct me in doing this, if it is indeed possible. thanks, Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 03:04:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6974F16A4CE; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:04:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A31543D5C; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:04:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (net4801-2 [192.168.254.1]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FC14AEF5; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:00:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:00:14 +0100 From: cpghost@cordula.ws To: Steve Ireland Message-ID: <20050215030014.GA53931@fw.farid-hajji.net> References: <420C2C33.4020607@black-star.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420C2C33.4020607@black-star.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: please, a little sanity about the logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:04:23 -0000 On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 10:53:23PM -0500, Steve Ireland wrote: > This leads to a suggestion others have already made, a splitting > of FBSD into hobbyist and professional branches. The hobbyists > keep Beastie, the .org site, and the non-profit status. The > professionals get the new logo, the .com site, and pay for use > and support (perhaps an annual subscription?). Quite frankly, I don't understand the current push for a "commercial-friendly" logo on behalf of the FreeBSD Project. There have always been a few companies that provided a commercial version on CDs, and nobody would have any objections that these companies use their own logos to push their own version (or an unmodified version) of FreeBSD into the enterprise. This is similar to SuSE, RedHat and others who use their own logos to distribute the one and only Linux kernel and an assorted set of libraries and utilities. "Linux" itself doesn't have a logo either (if we followed the party line that Tux and Beastie were mascots and not logos). The FreeBSD Project should IMHO remain vendor neutral, and stick to code development. There's absolutely no need to commercialize anything; much less need for any kind of logo. The project did very well without a logo (and with Beastie), and there's no reason to have one now, just to appease those zealots (as you've pointed out). Just leave this to the vendors. > Steve Ireland Cheers, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 03:07:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B65116A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:07:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dreadlock.phreakout.net (dreadlock.phreakout.net [208.51.56.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F1CE143D46 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:07:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ababurko@adelphia.net) Received: (qmail 15185 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 03:14:45 -0000 Received: from 24-52-224-96.kntnny.adelphia.net (HELO ?192.168.0.101?) (24.52.224.96) by dreadlock.phreakout.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 03:14:45 -0000 Message-ID: <42116779.80709@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:07:37 -0500 From: Bob Ababurko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <421162ED.2070807@phreakout.net> In-Reply-To: <421162ED.2070807@phreakout.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: how to configure a port for install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:07:39 -0000 Bob Ababurko wrote: > Hello- > > I am trying to figure out how to configure the ports....what I am trying > to do is add mhash to my system that a new script needs and I have to > add the --with-mhash=[dir] when I compile php. Well I installed php > with the ports and I am hoping to reinstall it with this added. I have > tried to add it to the Makefile under the configure options, but I got > an error that said: "Unassociated shell command". That obviously is not > the right way. > > Can someone please direct me in doing this, if it is indeed possible. > > thanks, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > To qualify this, I am installing php4.3.8_2 on 5.2.1. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 03:39:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E047416A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:39:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from newalpha.avalonworks.net (newalpha.avalonworks.net [216.58.97.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEAE43D54 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:39:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hindrich@worldchat.com) Received: from Brampton-ppp70225.sympatico.ca (Brampton-ppp70225.sympatico.ca [216.208.60.18])j1F3drVs056866; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:39:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hindrich@worldchat.com) From: Peterhin To: "Andrew L. Gould" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:40:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <200502142117.03689.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502142047.53751.algould@datawok.com> In-Reply-To: <200502142047.53751.algould@datawok.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502142240.24550.hindrich@worldchat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.82/705/Fri Feb 11 11:51:32 2005 on newalpha.avalonworks.net X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel Config. Menu.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:39:57 -0000 I am using 5.3. My question would be how current is the handbook, I was under the impression that it was the most current of all the sources for Freebsd. Am I wrong.? Thanks for your quick reply. On February 14, 2005 21:47, you wrote: > On Monday 14 February 2005 08:17 pm, Peterhin wrote: > > I have been reading the handbook and have started my installation, > > from a CD. > > However it goes straight to the sysinstall menu, it does not give > > me the Kernel Configuration menu, as per the handbook. (2.3.2 > > Kernel Configuration) > > What am I doing wrong, or what am I missing here.? > > > > Many Thanks. > > What version are you installing? I don't think 5.3 has that option > -- not needed for the most part. > > Best of luck, > > Andrew Gould -- Peter "Peace is never more than one thought away" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 04:20:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201C616A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:20:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EC943D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:20:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=yoda.datawok.com) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1D0uC7-0001zC-TS; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:20:16 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: Peterhin Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:20:47 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200502142117.03689.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502142047.53751.algould@datawok.com> <200502142240.24550.hindrich@worldchat.com> In-Reply-To: <200502142240.24550.hindrich@worldchat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502142220.47146.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc4d5940eaab1d92cc6bb6b42eda78617d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel Config. Menu.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:20:17 -0000 On Monday 14 February 2005 09:40 pm, Peterhin wrote: > I am using 5.3. > My question would be how current is the handbook, I was under the > impression that it was the most current of all the sources for > Freebsd. Am I wrong.? > > Thanks for your quick reply. > The handbook currently represents both versions 4.11 and 5.3. Also, "most current" may not always be perfect. :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 04:24:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD7016A4CF for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:24:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A6943D2D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:24:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so782051rnf for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:24:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=osxD7kyKkMjgnoLSdww04mhH4fWcGi1vXZ7XbEq2PMf/RSdVZd4eGwEGFZkzkGVwHvGSJQfontyE0cA6RYWhs3cjpSnZhjMt9QWAk6wZaxujA/MhabOQrNsIjkNk5LBdiXXv6UaPXc+EFHVEkf1+ials7lxP1rwVhHxGYrJcymU= Received: by 10.38.65.62 with SMTP id n62mr147102rna; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.14.51 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:24:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <57d7100005021420245dc6c12d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:24:29 -0800 From: pete wright To: Peterhin In-Reply-To: <200502142240.24550.hindrich@worldchat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502142117.03689.hindrich@worldchat.com> <200502142047.53751.algould@datawok.com> <200502142240.24550.hindrich@worldchat.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel Config. Menu.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pete wright List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:24:33 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:40:24 -0500, Peterhin wrote: > I am using 5.3. > My question would be how current is the handbook, I was under the > impression that it was the most current of all the sources for Freebsd. > Am I wrong.? which URL are you getting the handbook from, I've just checked the install section of the online handbook here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-start.html and it states: " Note: From FreeBSD versions 5.0 and later, userconfig has been deprecated in favor of the new device.hints(5) method. For more information on device.hints(5) please visit Section 12.5" hope this helps. -pete -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 04:32:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C6816A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:32:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4795243D1D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:32:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1948445wri for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:32:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AKyVpQPKr/EOfU+2G9yG9k5jv13AOIooCfaYrpPK4+9Fb9x7Uj+Twdggx9uh3BiRFUo52Uc9at1U9zT8EQrth+RvoxFAkIJ1KcyE+cB9EdLmsTpavr2zeuMs/elW+d2rPclI3s0fdu4U4SdJz1Yi0dAMPd7F8jhVGXQbwGqGqtU= Received: by 10.54.2.57 with SMTP id 57mr383271wrb; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:32:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e050214203221952797@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:32:25 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Configuring PF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:32:27 -0000 I want to install a firewall on my system. First of all, is PF the one I should be using? It seems to get the most recommendations. I don't actually seem to have any problems configuring it - I just have some problems testing the configuration. I can ssh to the box, and I can access port 80...but I'd like to be able to just scan it to quickly see what's up. When PF is disabled, I can nmap it in about 9 seconds. When I turn it on, it takes over 3 minutes to do. These machines are on the same network, so the connection is obviously fast. Are there any good, pretty simple guides on setting up PF? I'm having a tough time understanding what the rulesets all mean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 04:40:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7747616A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:40:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC97E43D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:40:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brianjohn@fusemail.com) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with asmtp (FuseMail extSMTP) id 1D0uVK-0002SV-7u; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:40:06 -0600 Message-ID: <42117D33.80002@fusemail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:40:19 -0600 From: Brian John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Smith References: <3151.209.87.176.132.1108400766.fusewebmail-19592@www.fusemail.com> <20050214174253.GC65365@slackbox.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20050214174253.GC65365@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: trouble printing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:40:19 -0000 Roland Smith wrote: >On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:06:06AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > >>Hello, >>I tried this question on the newbies list first but didn't get a response >>so I'm trying here. >> >> > >This is the right list for questions. > > > >>I am having trouble printing from my HP Deskjet 710C printer. It >>is hooked up via parallel port and I can print fine with it from >>Windows. However, I can't get it to work in FreeBSD. I followed the >>instructions here: >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-intro-setup.html >> >> > >Arg. The Deskjet 710C is one of those stupid printers without it's own >processor. You need a special program to convert print data into ppa >format, which is the only format it understands. See: > >http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_710C > > > >>Everything seems to be fine. But when I try to test the printer using a >>command similar to this: >> >># cat file > /dev/lptN >> >> > >Don't do this. Always work via the spooler. See below. > > > >>or this: >> >>lptest > /dev/lpt0 >> >> > >lptest just prints plain text. Your printer doesn't understand that. It >uses the host CPU for processing the print data: > >From http://pnm2ppa.sourceforge.net/: > > PPA (Printing Performance Architecture) is a closed, proprietary > protocol developed by Hewlett Packard for a short-lived series of > DeskJet printers. In essence, the PPA protocol moves the low-level > processing of the data to the host computer rather than the > printer. This allows for a low-cost (to produce) printer with a > small amount of memory and computing power. However, in practice > the printer was often as expensive as more capable printers and HP has > since discontinued the use of PPA in favour of returning to PCL3e in > their latest USB-based printers. > > > > >>nothing happens. Does anyone have a clue what I might have done wrong? >> >> > >You need a special driver to talk to this printer. It is called pnm2ppa >and you can find it in ports. > >More info on adriver for this printer can be found at: >http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=pnm2ppa&fromprinter=HP-DeskJet_710C > >If you want the printer to handle different file formats transparently, >you should install a print filter like apsfilter. You should program >apsfilter to output stuff in pnm format, which should then be piped >through pnm2ppa and then to the spooler. > >I know this sounds complicated, and that's because these printers >suck. You have to jump through a lot of hoops to get them working. > >In short, what has to happen for each print job is: > >1) Convert the file format to pnm. This is where apsfilter comes in, > unless you want to do it by hand every time. >2) The output from apsfilter should be fed to pnm2ppa, using the unix > mechanism called a pipe. The apsfilter manual has info on how to set > this up. I haven't used apsfilter in a loooong time. >3) The output from pnm2ppa is fed to the spooler, which sends it to the > printer. > >By installing apsfilter and pnm2ppa you can make this process automatic. > >Hope this helps. > >Roland > > Ok, I installed apsfilter and pnm2ppa. I've been looking on the net and I'm starting to get overwhelmed in documentation. Could you at least help me get started setting this up? Is there any hope that I will be able to get this printer to work as well (and easy) as it works in Windows? Thanks /Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 04:44:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA5916A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:44:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CFD43D41 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:44:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chip.gwyn@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1949606wri for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=UHIj7U2MApVRNJu6fyonrolgfBDZ4tzRNJr28vgaBfqql/63KP1vpt30FUFSoxsa85ErKkshzOkd5JgY+WvR5eO/hJ8UIbm+n02fkkq0OKdf6INjrksp1JYE+AoKYzdLkO7d9R3D+lOKj4cMmol9JHXWtPhY3fv7TMsqHsHc4YQ= Received: by 10.54.2.57 with SMTP id 57mr389060wrb; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.4.44 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <64a8ad9805021420444eb3ccd2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:44:32 -0500 From: chip To: Pat Maddox In-Reply-To: <810a540e050214203221952797@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <810a540e050214203221952797@mail.gmail.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Configuring PF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chip List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:44:33 -0000 > quickly see what's up. When PF is disabled, I can nmap it in about 9 > seconds. When I turn it on, it takes over 3 minutes to do. These > machines are on the same network, so the connection is obviously fast. I believe this is becuase nmap is having to wait on the connections to time out. If you tell PF to 'reject' instead of 'drop' it may go a bit faster. -- Just my $.02, your mileage may vary, batteries not included, etc.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 04:53:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9D916A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao10.cox.net (lakermmtao10.cox.net [68.230.240.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC24643D53 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:53:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from myfreebsd@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.226.7.134]) by lakermmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050215045357.HVGN3985.lakermmtao10.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:53:57 -0500 Message-ID: <42118065.1080303@cox.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:53:57 -0500 From: David Wassman User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (X11/20041016) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: probably a simple problem with permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:53:59 -0000 I am probably understanding this problem incorrectly meaning there is a simple explanation that is escaping me. My /dev/cd0 is owned by root so I have tried to change both the owner and the group so I can use it as a user. I have tried: chmod 777 /dev/cd0 chmod -R 777 /dev/cd0 chgrp 777 /dev/cd0 The problem is that when I reboot the system the old permissions return and I have to su and change the permissions back. How do I make these changes permanent? There is probably a security reason for this but it is very inconvenient on a desktop station. Any help would be appreciated. I am running 5.3. David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 04:55:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAC416A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:55:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEFA43D53 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:55:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1950603wri for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:55:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=dxXQpCb/ZQw8BvDG0TED+LCBPJN6HX2U7iMIWJ+h9MQNVVIToijW9QrcMTCohZJNDPQmHo2GV2MSc5IyeOuYfOQMxy2RVXRK0lp9hmLF8lTnPDcJVNydomwCk2U+3DIeMkqJ+z2qA2qCzj3rJ+yDSJ0r23W+DqbLmHbk9gh5KdQ= Received: by 10.54.39.67 with SMTP id m67mr41115wrm; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:55:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e05021420555412f1b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:55:51 -0700 From: Pat Maddox To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <64a8ad9805021420444eb3ccd2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <810a540e050214203221952797@mail.gmail.com> <64a8ad9805021420444eb3ccd2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Configuring PF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:55:52 -0000 Is there any place I can find a good default ruleset for a server, and just change what ports I want open? Also, I've noticed that some rulesets will have different flags and keep state on for certain TCP ports, but not others. For example, at https://www.section6.net/help/pf.php I found: #WebServer, HTTPS, 8000 pass in on $extif proto tcp from any to any port 80 flags S/SA pass in on $extif proto tcp from any to any port $tcp_services flags S/SA synproxy state tcp_services is {22, 443} I don't understand why they use synproxy state for 22 and 443, but not 80 On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:44:32 -0500, chip wrote: > > quickly see what's up. When PF is disabled, I can nmap it in about 9 > > seconds. When I turn it on, it takes over 3 minutes to do. These > > machines are on the same network, so the connection is obviously fast. > > I believe this is becuase nmap is having to wait on the connections to > time out. If you tell PF to 'reject' instead of 'drop' it may go a > bit faster. > > -- > Just my $.02, your mileage may vary, batteries not included, etc.... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 04:57:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841F016A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:57:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D144343D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:57:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lukas@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:lukas@otaku.freeshell.org [192.94.73.2]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1F4u2LU028529; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:56:02 GMT Received: (from lukas@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.8/Submit) id j1F4u1LH026535; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:56:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Luke X-X-Sender: lukas@otaku.freeshell.org To: RL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: LukeD@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:57:09 -0000 I was hoping somebody more knowledgable than me would answer your questions. Maybe than did and I lost it in all the spam. I've been intrigued by these same topics for awhile and I've learned a little bit. I'll share what I've figured out below. On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, RL wrote: > 1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. > Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn > more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on > godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there can I set up A > records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? For a domain name to be effective, you need a public and highly referenced source to map your name to your IP address. That's what these public registrars do. You want them to map your name to your address. You can't move that service to your own box because... well.. how would anybody find you in the first place? Technically you can do SOME of the domain service yourself if you're running a network. Public DNS servers might get them to yourdomain.com, and then you could direct them to machine1.yourdomain.com, machine2.yourdomain.com, etc. but you probably don't have any need for something like that at home. You can run your own DNS service to do lookups for yourself though, and it's a fun way to learn about how the global system works. Check out the sections of the FreeBSD Handbook on BIND. Running DNS for a small network in my home was pretty educational for me. > 2. What about reverse DNS? Could I possibly do that on my box? It's possible to have any number of names pointing to a single IP address, but that IP address is only going to reverse-map to one name, and that name is going to be one of Adelphia's names I'm afraid. > 3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again > to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to > name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com > has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this. Is > this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port > other than 25 like 8080? Sending isn't the problem. You can send from just about any port you want. It's receiving that's the problem. When a mail server tries to deliver mail to mynewdomain.com, it's going to be looking for your mail server on port 25, because that's the standard. It's just like how your web browser always goes looking for a web server on port 80 when you contact another machine. Unless there's some trick you can do with the MX records for your domain to advertise to the world that your mail server is running on a nonstandard port, I don't know how you could get around the receiving problem if your ISP blocks incoming connections to port 25, short of having some external service like those you've mentioned cache the mail for you. I'm no expert - just somebody who's spent some time fooling around with this stuff. If I've told you anything wrong, hopefully somebody will step up and correct me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 04:57:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06ED16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:57:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437A243D48 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:57:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so782857rng for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:57:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lTsf2+JQDrhAfhS4D3iiOedyENCwiYvK1jxhDzJPrvHsUUXiRrZwaryl+Hd/6UL5QXnEzoKXG0nNgHNHTvdGstB6NhL7qqb1hNjuWmCsWDD64jlQVvYrniqgVppnn5gmEw0Q8axf3P+zvkVs2qVjJzQG/zbJ9Cynxujhm5Z6hHA= Received: by 10.38.81.28 with SMTP id e28mr179227rnb; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.81.70 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:57:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <205376f105021420572470976@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:57:28 -0800 From: Jeff BSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Broken shell - I can't login at all X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jeff BSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:57:29 -0000 Hi- I'm in the process of upgrading a 4.6 system to 5.3. When I boot the machine it gets to: ---- init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user mode Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user Password: ---- I enter the password, then: ---- Enter full pathname of shell of RETURN for /bin/sh: pid # (sh), uid 0: exited on signal 12 init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user mode Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user Password: ---- Round and round I go. Sounds like I broke /bin/sh to me. I've messed around in safe mode but I can't see how I can use it to possibly fix my problem, assuming I did do anything to /bin/sh (which I don't think I did - intentionally/directly that is). How do I fix it so I can boot it? A bit of the chicken and the egg, what? Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 05:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D3C16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:26:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E536043D1F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:26:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so788684rnf for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:26:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=PKX7xmVOvlwzAsRMpVMxU9qnJ7J+yYFkNeCf6zgDslVA5zDKIULPV7mTkv7vj788V49Dqd+C5Pf0wmXKotEBguU6rhR0O5D1AphkPZnwK6AQDdXxJGlHgbGiLunMxNyrZjbPz+vbTmJMKHvrskrMrAVrpB9ST9IOdpuG0/NtYS8= Received: by 10.38.89.55 with SMTP id m55mr217467rnb; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:26:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:26:39 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <16113082.20050215014337@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <1587470376.20050215001857@wanadoo.fr> <16113082.20050215014337@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:26:41 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:43:37 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > > > Well, no that's not entirely true...First off, there's the claim by > > Windows itself that it's not drivers. > > The OS itself never identifies problems as being within the drivers. > Driver code is assimilated with the kernel while it is running. Well, that's simply not true. Windows (At least XP, can't remember if this happens on 2k or not) definitely states that the error that caused the crash is or is not a driver. It says something to the effect of "The system crash was caused by a bad driver." You read the code, I'm sure you know where that message gets generated. As windows is largely infallible, I'm sure they have some way of keeping straight which portion of the kernelspace is drivers and which isn't. > > And then there's the thing where since one is including drivers along > > with an operating system, they are part of the operating system even > > if they were written by a third party. > > They are not part of the operating system. Yeah, they kinda are. If they are on the operating system cd, they are part of the operating system. An operating system is just a software package. In BSD, for example, this includes things like ls and dd. In windows, it includes things like iexplore and services. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 05:32:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D911916A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:32:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C2843D45 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:32:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3D00B1C00094 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:32:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 190541C00092 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:32:33 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050215053233102.190541C00092@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:32:32 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8310509120.20050215063232@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <06433BF9-7EF5-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> <1497115560.20050215024836@wanadoo.fr> <06433BF9-7EF5-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:32:35 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > You can say all you want. Thank you. I feel better about it knowing that it's okay with you. > Every professional designer I have ever talked with lamented the poor > state of standards conformance of IE for Windows. They probably never actually tested the browser. > And they could document it. Excellent ... where can I find a copy of their documentation? > MS only has compatibility with itself, and that is it. It interprets HTML correctly according to W3C standards, and it handles CSS correctly as well. What other compatibility do you require? You can find test suites here: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/ (HTML4) http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/ (CSS) > And since it is the 800lb gorilla, they think they can basically do > whatever they want. They know that some criticism of what they do has no basis in fact, and that people without emotional investment in a hatred of Microsoft may actually check the facts and invalidate the criticisms. > People I highly respect have done lots of tests of browsers with the > standard and conformance to the W3C standards suites and IE Windows > does not do that well. I've done the tests myself, instead of believing what others say, and MSIE does fine. The URLs are above. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 05:40:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521C916A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:40:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CFE43D55 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:40:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 08B2D1C0008E for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:40:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D17101C0008A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:40:15 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050215054015857.D17101C0008A@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:40:15 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <762166945.20050215064015@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <77803d5ce17805187218b4cdfb6cc83d@HiWAAY.net> References: <77803d5ce17805187218b4cdfb6cc83d@HiWAAY.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:40:17 -0000 David Kelly writes: > Servers should also have the most reliable software but that is where > Microsoft cuts corners for additional profit and provide employment > for MSCE's whom otherwise would not be needed. No, Microsoft does not deliberately cut any corners, nor does it care about providing employment for MCSEs. Microsoft doesn't understand servers very well. Most people at Microsoft grew up using microcomputers, and that's all they know (sound familiar?). They truly have no idea of some of the constraints that apply to the server world. As a result, they don't build ideal server software. The closest they've come has been with the early versions of Windows NT, which had a very solid kernel. But since desktops seemed to be more lucrative than servers, they regularly gutted the OS with each new release in order to provide things like better game performance and a prettier GUI, destabilizing it and rendering it less secure. Today's NT-based kernel is much less "pure" than the original. Even so, Windows 200x is quite stable, stable enough to work in a server environment in many cases. I'd still prefer UNIX for maximum reliability and stability, but Windows does a respectable job for less critical applications. > There is no reason a server should not have a GUI so long as it does > not detract from the server's function. A GUI always detracts from a server's function. Nobody is sitting in front of a server, so spending a lot of resources on a pretty graphic interface is a complete waste, and it destabilizes the machine. This is something that Microsoft (and some other parties) have trouble understanding. > Use of a GUI to "dumb-down" the system doesn't work as Microsoft has > shown. That has never been an objective of Microsoft. Their servers have elaborate GUIs because the operating systems come from the desktop world, and won't function without a GUI. One of the most serious criticisms made of Windows in the server world is that you cannot run a Windows server without a GUI, and remote administration is an unbelievably awkward nightmare. > Apple is smart enough to pull it off ... Apple has no advantage over Microsoft in this respect. They are locking their own OS into a GUI, too. But they probably realize that their future is in desktops, not servers. > ... but all Microsoft has done is continue to guarantee employment for > MSCE's who continue to exclusively recommend any and everything > Microsoft who in turn continually ensures these champions stay > employed. As I've said, Microsoft doesn't care about employment of MCSEs. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 05:49:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD9716A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:49:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB97743D3F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:49:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2C29B1C00090 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:49:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 051A61C00087 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:49:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050215054924209.051A61C00087@mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:49:23 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <501532379.20050215064923@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <1587470376.20050215001857@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:49:25 -0000 Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > Well, that's simply not true. Windows (At least XP, can't remember if > this happens on 2k or not) definitely states that the error that > caused the crash is or is not a driver. It says something to the > effect of "The system crash was caused by a bad driver." I suppose it may isolate messages better than its predecessors. > You read the code, I'm sure you know where that message gets > generated. These operating systems contain millions of lines of code. I haven't read them all. Nobody has. > As windows is largely infallible, I'm sure they have some way of > keeping straight which portion of the kernelspace is drivers and which > isn't. You overestimate the capabilities of the OS. In many cases it is possible to roughly or precisely localize a fault in kernel space, but at other times it is not. Bugs in one area of an OS (defined as anything with kernel privileges) can cause faults in other areas. > Yeah, they kinda are. If they are on the operating system cd, they > are part of the operating system. There are lots of things on CDs that are not part of the OS. > An operating system is just a software package. In this context, one can think of the operating system as the aggregate of permanent code executing with kernel privileges. Drivers execute with these privileges but they are essentially add-ons. They aren't written by the same people and they usually aren't written and tested with the same rigor. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 05:50:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF40716A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:50:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A049843D1F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:50:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0vb3-0004cq-5j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:50:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <762166945.20050215064015@wanadoo.fr> References: <77803d5ce17805187218b4cdfb6cc83d@HiWAAY.net> <762166945.20050215064015@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <70805DB8-7F15-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:50:04 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:50:08 -0000 On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >> Apple is smart enough to pull it off ... > > Apple has no advantage over Microsoft in this respect. They are > locking > their own OS into a GUI, too. But they probably realize that their > future is in desktops, not servers. You know not of what you speak. You sure say a lot for being an ignorant person. Apple has a sever advantage over Microsoft in this respect. The XServe by default does not even ship with a video card and you can admin the whole thing remotely with various tools including the CLI. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 05:57:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43EA16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB45D43D41 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0viN-0005dd-Bc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:57:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <501532379.20050215064923@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <1587470376.20050215001857@wanadoo.fr> <501532379.20050215064923@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <7F3738CE-7F16-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:57:38 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:57:39 -0000 On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:49 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >> An operating system is just a software package. > > In this context, one can think of the operating system as the aggregate > of permanent code executing with kernel privileges. > > Drivers execute with these privileges but they are essentially add-ons. > They aren't written by the same people and they usually aren't written > and tested with the same rigor. > If I am not mistaken, MS has a certification process for 3rd party drivers. That is, they approve them and digitally sign them. And they stick them on their OS distribution CDs. Hence, they are part of MS's OS offering. They are vetted by MS first. Chad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:02:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD07A16A4E4 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:02:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DDA43D39 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:02:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0vnG-0006fi-24 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:02:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <8310509120.20050215063232@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> <1497115560.20050215024836@wanadoo.fr> <06433BF9-7EF5-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <8310509120.20050215063232@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: <33A6E066-7F17-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:02:41 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:02:44 -0000 On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> You can say all you want. > > Thank you. I feel better about it knowing that it's okay with you. > >> Every professional designer I have ever talked with lamented the poor >> state of standards conformance of IE for Windows. > > They probably never actually tested the browser. no they did and could point out specific problems and likely intentional changes. Google on this issue of Windows IE standard compliance, especially with CSS. You will find reams of info with examples of where MS got it wrong, and many think intentionally got it wrong. Chad > >> And they could document it. > > Excellent ... where can I find a copy of their documentation? > >> MS only has compatibility with itself, and that is it. > > It interprets HTML correctly according to W3C standards, and it handles > CSS correctly as well. What other compatibility do you require? > > You can find test suites here: > > http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/ (HTML4) > http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/ (CSS) > >> And since it is the 800lb gorilla, they think they can basically do >> whatever they want. > > They know that some criticism of what they do has no basis in fact, and > that people without emotional investment in a hatred of Microsoft may > actually check the facts and invalidate the criticisms. > >> People I highly respect have done lots of tests of browsers with the >> standard and conformance to the W3C standards suites and IE Windows >> does not do that well. > > I've done the tests myself, instead of believing what others say, and > MSIE does fine. The URLs are above. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:07:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7F816A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:07:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E50C43D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:07:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1F67VGf011629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:07:33 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1F67Vbd011627; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:07:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:07:30 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Benjamin Dover Message-ID: <20050215060730.GB31198@alzatex.com> References: <5ae9cd55050213174867bd0271@mail.gmail.com> <20050214092050.GA31198@alzatex.com> <5ae9cd550502140126a8d4bfd@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5ae9cd550502140126a8d4bfd@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash causes Firefox to core dump, which ports should I have installed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:07:39 -0000 On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 04:26:12AM -0500, Benjamin Dover wrote: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:20:50 -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 08:48:18PM -0500, Ben Dover wrote: > > > Firefox is my browser of choice but every time I view a web page with > > > a Flash object Firefox core dumps. The error is as follows: Feb 13 > > > 18:57:53 w00f kernel: pid 27652 (firefox-bin), uid 0: exited on signal > > > 6 (core dumped). I have installed the following relevant ports: > > > /usr/ports/www/firefox > > > /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox > > > > Do you have flash 6 or 7 installed. I never have 6 crash, but 7 is > > horrible. > > cd /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox/ > w00f# cat distinfo > MD5 (gplflash-0.4.12.tar.bz2) = 7d53803486b255665a80cd834ee3c463 > SIZE (gplflash-0.4.12.tar.bz2) = 378727 > w00f# cat pkg-descr > This is GPL standalone Flash (TM) Plugin, that comes with FlashLib > (libflash) distribution. I'd definetly recommend uninstalling gplflash and installing one of the official versions of flash by macromedia, go with flash 6 as it's more stable. > > Author: Olivier Debon > WWW: http://gplflash.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > > > > > I'm confused if I should install the linux-firefox port or the other > > > flash port. What is the combination everyone has been having good > > > luck with? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > > I sense much NT in you. > > NT leads to Bluescreen. > > Bluescreen leads to downtime. > > Downtime leads to suffering. > > NT is the path to the darkside. > > Powerful Unix is. > > > > Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc > > Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C > > > > -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:09:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE1716A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:09:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276E443D39 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:09:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 85544240010E for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:09:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B56B240010B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:09:02 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050215060902439.6B56B240010B@mwinf0909.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:09:02 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1449452133.20050215070902@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <70805DB8-7F15-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <77803d5ce17805187218b4cdfb6cc83d@HiWAAY.net> <762166945.20050215064015@wanadoo.fr> <70805DB8-7F15-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:09:03 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Apple has a sever advantage over Microsoft in this respect. They aren't completely comparable, because Apple produces both hardwar and software, whereas Microsoft produces only software. In any case, I wouldn't choose either of them for a server myself. > The XServe by default does not even ship with a video card and you can > admin the whole thing remotely with various tools including the CLI. Just like FreeBSD. Except that you can download FreeBSD for free and install it on whatever hardware you have on hand. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:10:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F0316A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:10:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8098743D53 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:10:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0912.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BA5BB1C005F6 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:10:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0912.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9DCC41C005F4 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:10:25 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050215061025646.9DCC41C005F4@mwinf0912.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:10:25 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <150645763.20050215071025@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <7F3738CE-7F16-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <1587470376.20050215001857@wanadoo.fr> <501532379.20050215064923@wanadoo.fr> <7F3738CE-7F16-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:10:26 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > If I am not mistaken, MS has a certification process for 3rd party > drivers. That is, they approve them and digitally sign them. And they > stick them on their OS distribution CDs. Hence, they are part of MS's > OS offering. They are vetted by MS first. Yes, but not all drivers are certified in this way. The ones that are are far less likely to cause trouble. They may still have bugs--Microsoft does not audit the code line by line--but they are usually reasonably stable. It's a step forward. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:11:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5404216A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:11:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7C943D53 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:11:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3E1041C00171 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:11:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 216FA1C0016E for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:11:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050215061134137.216FA1C0016E@mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:11:33 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <155315779.20050215071133@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <33A6E066-7F17-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> <1497115560.20050215024836@wanadoo.fr> <06433BF9-7EF5-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <8310509120.20050215063232@wanadoo.fr> <33A6E066-7F17-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:11:35 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > no they did and could point out specific problems and likely > intentional changes. Where can I see a list of these? > Google on this issue of Windows IE standard compliance, especially with > CSS. You will find reams of info with examples of where MS got it > wrong, and many think intentionally got it wrong. I've already tested the browser myself, with the official test suites. It did better than any other overall. In any case, MSIE doesn't run on FreeBSD. -- Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:16:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744BD16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:16:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CF243D2D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:16:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon@koroded.net) Received: from [65.92.123.201] by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20050215061635.NAJQ1614.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[65.92.123.201]> for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:16:35 -0500 Message-ID: <421193C3.2060702@koroded.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:16:35 -0500 From: Jon Bruce User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050104) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FTP server problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:16:39 -0000 Hi there, just trying to install FreeBSD, I am in the install section and can seemingly login to an ftp server. However everyone I try just brings me back to the ftp server listing. Any help would be great. Thanks Jon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:17:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77DB16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:17:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547AB43D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:17:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1F6HOGf011686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:17:24 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1F6HNlS011684; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:17:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:17:23 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: ann kok Message-ID: <20050215061723.GC31198@alzatex.com> References: <20050213065610.GX8619@alzatex.com> <20050214192103.47832.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050214192103.47832.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: ean@hedron.org Subject: Re: ping question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:17:35 -0000 On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:21:03AM -0800, ann kok wrote: > Hi all > > Thank you very much for your help > > The freebsd router is behind the cisco router. > > Do you have any experience to determine the traffic is > in freebsd and cisco from outside? > > Can traceroute give figure to prove it? I'm not quite sure if I understand what you're asking, but if you want to see what traffic is going into/out of/through them, tcpdump is a good command-line based packet sniffer and ethereal is it's gui cousin. You can even use tcpdump to capture data and later view it on a different computer with ethereal. iptraf will show you general usage of the traffic crossing your router. If your asking to see what path the traffic is taking from point A to point B, then traceroute is your best friend. > > Please help > > Thank you again > > --- "Loren M. Lang" wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann kok > > wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd > > router > > > but I don't understand ttl (time to live) > > > > > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58 > > > Does it set by the router itself? > > > Can I change it in freebsd? > > > > FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's is > > probably 255. As > > long as the number of hops neccessary to get to a > > certain computer is > > never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with it. > > The highest I've > > seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to have > > to grow a bit, I > > think, before it's an issue. > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151 ttl=251 > > > time=100 ms > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152 ttl=251 > > > time=103 ms > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153 ttl=251 > > > time=104 ms > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154 ttl=251 > > > time=106 ms > > > > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182 ttl=58 > > > time=105 ms > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183 ttl=58 > > > time=105 ms > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184 ttl=58 > > > time=104 ms > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185 ttl=58 > > > time=108 ms > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > > I sense much NT in you. > > NT leads to Bluescreen. > > Bluescreen leads to downtime. > > Downtime leads to suffering. > > NT is the path to the darkside. > > Powerful Unix is. > > > > Public Key: > > ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc > > Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 > > 7A46 E4A3 280C > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:26:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C8E16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:26:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (joel.tallye.com [216.99.199.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF9843D39 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:26:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lorenl@alzatex.com) Received: from hosea.tallye.com (hosea.tallye.com [127.0.0.1]) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1F6QSGf011828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:26:29 -0800 Received: (from sttng359@localhost) by hosea.tallye.com (8.12.8/8.12.10/Submit) id j1F6QSgQ011826; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:26:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hosea.tallye.com: sttng359 set sender to lorenl@alzatex.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:26:28 -0800 From: "Loren M. Lang" To: Brian John Message-ID: <20050215062628.GD31198@alzatex.com> References: <20050207114741.GC8619@alzatex.com> <42084226.2060004@fusemail.com> <20050208195025.GI8619@alzatex.com> <42098485.2080404@fusemail.com> <20050209114135.GQ8619@alzatex.com> <420E2C55.1030601@fusemail.com> <20050212221718.GS8619@alzatex.com> <420FD091.7060208@fusemail.com> <20050214015214.GB20405@alzatex.com> <4210147A.8040501@fusemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4210147A.8040501@fusemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C cc: "Loren M. Lang" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:26:36 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 09:01:14PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > Loren M. Lang wrote: > > >On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 04:11:29PM -0600, Brian John wrote: > > > > > >>Loren M. Lang wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 10:18:29AM -0600, Brian John wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Well, I tried that and now I can't run realplayer at all. This is what > >>>>happens: > >>>>$ realplay > >>>>/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/realplay.bin: error while loading shared > >>>>libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > >>>>directory > >>>> > >>>>Any clue how I can fix this? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Yea, with -rh9 they moved the X libraries to a seperate port, > >>>x11/linux-XFree86-libs, install that and it should work. You may have > >>>to add some lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf and/or run > >>>/usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Ok, I already have x11/linux-XFree86-libs port installed. My ld.so.conf > >>is empty and when I try to run ldconfig nothing happens, it just returns > >>to the prompt. Can you help me figure out what is going on here? I'm > >>sorry that I don't know what I am doing but I am a newbie and I am > >>really trying to use FreeBSD as my main OS. > >> > >> > > > >Add the following lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf: > > > >/usr/lib > >/usr/local/lib > >/usr/X11R6/lib > > > >Then re-run /usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig. > > > > > > > >>Thanks again > >> > >>/Brian > >> > >> > > > > > > > I tried that and now I am able to start up realplayer again, but it > still has the same problem as originally. All of the icons have x's in > them. Here is the output when I start it from the console: > $ realplay > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > Failed to load pixbuf file: > /usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png: Couldn't recognize > the image file format for file > '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png' > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/pause.png' > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mute.png' > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_off.png' > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_low.png' > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mid.png' > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a > previous GError or uninitialized memory. > This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL > before it's set. > The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file > format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_high.png' > > ** (realplay.bin:6624): WARNING **: No builtin or dynamically loaded modules > were found. Pango will not work correctly. This probably means > there was an error in the creation of: > '/etc/pango/pango.modules' > You may be able to recreate this file by running pango-querymodules. > > (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader > module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory > > (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gobject.c: line 1337 > (g_object_unref): assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > > Any clue what is going on here? > > Again, I really appreciate your help Try running the following command as root: /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/compat/linux/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders And if that fails, then maybe re-installing graphics/linux-gdk/pixbuf might help. > > /Brian > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 06:54:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065C616A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:54:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.3.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8044943D64 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:54:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: by kweetal.tue.nl (Postfix, from userid 40) id 6CBFB13B77A; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:53:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by kweetal.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D9313B8AA for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:53:54 +0100 (CET) Received: (from stijn@localhost) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1F6rsaK097174 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:53:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stijn) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:53:54 +0100 From: Stijn Hoop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050215065354.GA91679@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Stijn Hoop , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on kweetal.tue.nl X-Spam-DCC: : X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=6.3 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Anthony X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:54:01 -0000 --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:34:24AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost > any other browser. Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less so. Thank you for giving me another reason to killfile you again, after you resurfaced without your vanity domain. You clearly don't know jack about the things you write. Maybe you could write some code instead of exploding the lists with drivel. *plonk* --Stijn --=20 If today is the first day of the rest of your life, what the hell was yesterday? --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEZyCY3r/tLQmfWcRAvqLAJ9372dbW0XV0cvUT7KXbLAs8OxGhQCfb9VU 5kWTx6M7qpudDKV+1DMgS0w= =CWXq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 07:03:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2846B16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:03:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D761E43D2D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:03:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1D0wkU-000Bw4-5U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:03:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <155315779.20050215071133@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> <1497115560.20050215024836@wanadoo.fr> <06433BF9-7EF5-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <8310509120.20050215063232@wanadoo.fr> <33A6E066-7F17-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <155315779.20050215071133@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:03:53 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:03:56 -0000 On Feb 14, 2005, at 11:11 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > >> no they did and could point out specific problems and likely >> intentional changes. > > Where can I see a list of these? This page points to a bunch. These are not the ones from people I know and respect as those communications were not public communications and their work not published on the web. > >> Google on this issue of Windows IE standard compliance, especially >> with >> CSS. You will find reams of info with examples of where MS got it >> wrong, and many think intentionally got it wrong. > > I've already tested the browser myself, with the official test suites. > It did better than any other overall. Based on your other postings, I don't think you'd know if they really passed or not. Merely rendering a page does not mean it passes. There are lots of subtleties in CSS. Chad > > In any case, MSIE doesn't run on FreeBSD. > > -- > Anthony > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 07:32:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904CE16A4CE; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:32:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4246943D4C; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:32:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnooby@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.26] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBX00J6LZMJMB@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.7]); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:32:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:32:35 -0500 From: bsdnooby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <4211A593.5010509@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Subject: All your laptops are belong to Windows. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:32:46 -0000 I'm defeated. The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it turns off my laptop. When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new I'm blue.HP Pavilion laptop turns itself off. It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or floppies. There is no error log since it just shuts off after I choose to load a kernel. I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not help. I believe I tried all the kernel options available from the menu on 5.x. The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB HD, 15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN. I purchased it from Best Buy. Under Windows, it appears Hyper-Threading is turned on, and I have not found a way to turn it off inside the CMOS. The machine runs Windows XP Pro fine, but I am trying to switch to FreeBSD on all my boxen. I was really surprised to find this one abruptly shutdown when trying to do the install. It turns off before the install really starts, so I do not have much information to solve this problem. The HD is never touched. I'm blue. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 07:39:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A9E16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:39:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from titan.open-networks.net (dsl-202-173-176-254.qld.westnet.com.au [202.173.176.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D1A43D58 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:39:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from timothy@open-networks.net) Received: from [192.168.1.200] (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by titan.open-networks.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB5F958; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:39:00 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4211A714.50807@open-networks.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:39:00 +1000 From: Timothy Smith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20041023) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stijn Hoop , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> <20050215065354.GA91679@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> In-Reply-To: <20050215065354.GA91679@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Anthony X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:39:05 -0000 Stijn Hoop wrote: >On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:34:24AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > >>MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost >>any other browser. Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less so. >> >> > >Thank you for giving me another reason to killfile you again, after >you resurfaced without your vanity domain. You clearly don't know jack >about the things you write. Maybe you could write some code instead of >exploding the lists with drivel. > >*plonk* > >--Stijn > > > hah well said sir From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 07:48:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2A216A4D1 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:48:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sarajevo.pacific.net.sg (sarajevo.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE26143D1F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:48:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 4140 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 07:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell6.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.212) by sarajevo with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 07:48:52 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.109] ([210.24.124.198]) by maxwell6.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP <20050215074851.LSPB1233.maxwell6.pacific.net.sg@[192.168.0.109]>; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:48:51 +0800 Message-ID: <4211A9E3.8010409@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:50:59 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bsdnooby References: <4211A593.5010509@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4211A593.5010509@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: All your laptops are belong to Windows. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:48:56 -0000 Hi, bsdnooby wrote: > > I'm defeated. The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it turns off > my laptop. > FreeBSD's weakest point is the support for notebooks. I could get it running at least but it did not make real sense to keep it as the power management was to limited. I kept this machine as my only Windows machine to do support Windows programs. It is very often the case that notebook vendors do not give the support needed to adopt the drivers to make FreeBSD a success on those machines. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 08:08:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C7016A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:08:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web40525.mail.yahoo.com (web40525.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7ADA43D1D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:08:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ksajith@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86133 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2005 08:08:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=qJAgwmdOLYTMt1OzDlYVsst/drsh3S/Mz6Kynh0EtjfeDBW121qVr3+nvcUVgw7MwS/A7kBaX4uacU+Jaa5I8BAefBhwSbR8mzDbpJz2AiuccfdFe9U3bUHMlxcETLhKbCxukSFCRBxyPvdTEIWGsdm/2UEO/kGf4ro05qQSAuA= ; Message-ID: <20050215080840.86131.qmail@web40525.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.6.243.34] by web40525.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:08:40 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: Sajith K To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in /dev! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:08:43 -0000 When I tried to install freebsd 5.3 in a PIII machine with 80GB hard disk I get the following error: "Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in /dev!" "The creation of filesystems will be aborted" Could some one help me out ? Thanks Sajith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 08:54:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C1616A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:54:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5AE643D53 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:54:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gritche_78000@yahoo.fr) Received: (qmail 7182 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2005 08:54:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20050215085456.7180.qmail@web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.124.192.179] by web25808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:54:55 CET Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:54:55 +0100 (CET) From: fgfdgfdg fdgfd To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: PPP speed touch USB Chap Input: FAILURE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:54:57 -0000 Hello I have some problem with Wanadoo ADSL connection and Alcatel speed touch usb I have installed the port: /usr/ports/net/pppoa here my configuration: /etc/usbd.conf (activate in /etc/rc.conf) <===========================> device "Alcatel SpeedTouch USB" devname "ugen[0-9]+" vendor 0x06b9 product 0x4061 attach "/usr/local/sbin/modem_run -f /usr/local/libdata/mgmt.o" detach "killall modem_run" <============================> netstat -rn before connection <=============================> Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 192.168.0.1 UGSc 2 0 rl0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 0 lo0 192.168.0 link#1 UC 1 0 rl0 192.168.0.1 00:e0:18:df:ed:48 UHLW 3 0 rl0 427 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%rl0/64 link#1 UC rl0 fe80::210:a7ff:fe1c:8e17%rl0 00:10:a7:1c:8e:17 UHL lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 Uc lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#6 UHL lo0 ff01::/32 ::1 U lo0 ff02::%rl0/32 link#1 UC rl0 ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 UC lo0 <===============================> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf <==============================> default: delete ALL ident user-ppp VERSION (built COMPILATIONDATE) set log Phase Chat IPCP CCP tun command adsl: set authname ********** set authkey ******* accept chap deny pap set device !"pppoa2 -vpi 8 -vci 35 -v 2 -d /dev/ugen0" set speed sync set timeout 0 # set mtu 1492 # set mru 1492 disable ipv6cp disable pred1 deny pred1 disable lqr deny lqr set dial "" set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 add! default HISADDR <==============================> /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup <==============================> MYADDR: delete ALL add 0 0 HISADDR adsl: delete ALL add 0 0 193.253.60.3 <==============================> so i have run connection with: ppp -auto adsl netstat -rn after connection <==============================> Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 10.0.0.2 UGSc 0 0 tun0 10.0.0.2 10.0.0.1 UH 1 0 tun0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 0 lo0 192.168.0 link#1 UC 1 0 rl0 192.168.0.1 00:e0:18:df:ed:48 UHLW 0 0 rl0 918 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%rl0/64 link#1 UC rl0 fe80::210:a7ff:fe1c:8e17%rl0 00:10:a7:1c:8e:17 UHL lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 Uc lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#6 UHL lo0 ff01::/32 ::1 U lo0 ff02::%rl0/32 link#1 UC rl0 ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 UC lo0 ff02::%tun0/32 fe80::210:a7ff:fe1c:8e17%tun0 UC tun0 <==============================> /var/log/ppp.log <==============================> Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! 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Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 09:06:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5368616A4CE; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:06:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C0B43D45; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:06:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1F96xj48032; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:06:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "bsdnooby" , , Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:06:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <4211A593.5010509@optonline.net> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: All your laptops are belong to Windows. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:06:59 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of bsdnooby > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:33 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > Subject: All your laptops are belong to Windows. > > > > I'm defeated. The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it > turns off > my laptop. > > When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new I'm blue.HP > Pavilion laptop > turns itself off. It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or > floppies. There is no error log since it just shuts off after > I choose > to load a kernel. I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not > help. I believe I tried all the kernel options available from > the menu > on 5.x. > After reading that 4.X is killing it, my guess is that what's going on is that one of the device drivers compiled into the kernel that is for a piece of hardware that is NOT on your laptop is issuing a probe that is hitting a port that HP decided to use for something. If you really wanted to, and you have a system already running 5.X, it is possible to compile a custom kernel that has all device drivers stripped out of it, then put this kernel onto the first install floppy and do a floppy install of FreeBSD. Then make sure a copy of that kernel exists on the system when you reboot. This is a long and complicated procedure, unfortunately, and since your laptop is brand new, probably isn't worth it since you can simply return the laptop to the store and get a different one. (since it's under the 30 day return policy) Before you do that though it would be very kind if you could please submit a PR for this so we can get it documented. I also still think that the ACPI could possibly be at fault. I know that there's an option to disable ACPI probes, but I had a similar problem with a different system back in the early 4.X series of FreeBSD. I forget the version of FreeBSD that they introduced ACPI support, but I clearly recall the prior version of FreeBSD booting and running on a desktop, then the next 4.x version which had ACPI, not booting on this system, despite turning off the ACPI probe. As I recall a BIOS update from the manufacturer fixed the problem. (ACPI still didn't work but at least the diskettes booted) Of course, since power management on a laptop is pretty required, an exercise in getting a stripped kernel running on that Pavilion is purely academic. > The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB > HD, 15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN. I purchased it > from Best Buy. > Best Buy is fairly good at taking exchanges within 30 days. Their written policy kind of threatens a restocking charge of 15% on opened notebook computers - but the exception is if the item is defective. In your case you have a grey area, but if you were to take it back and tell them that the system is periodically shutting itself down and you want to exchange it for a different model because you don't have any confidence in the zv5445us, they wouldn't be able to verify this and you could probably talk your way out of the restock charge, PARTICULARLY if you bought the item on a credit card - since credit card issuers generally take a dim view of restock fees on consumer items. I have had a family member do this exact thing with a laptop he bought from there a few years ago. (it wasn't a FreeBSD thing, the laptop was just not very well made and he ended up buying a more expensive laptop from them) This is also particularly if you bring back ALL OF the original packing materials AND THE SOFTWARE particularly if it's unopened, and repack the laptop in it's box. Remember that Best Buy has to send the thing back to HP and if it breaks in transit and it wasn't in the factory cardboard, HP is going to charge Best Buy for the loss. > abruptly shutdown when trying to do the install. It turns off before > the install really starts, so I do not have much information to solve > this problem. The HD is never touched. > > I'm blue. > Don't be. The project doesen't intend for end users to solve these sorts of problems, frankly. Return the laptop and get a different model which will probably work fine and consider it a learning experience. There's enough people within the Project that have contacts within HP that if a decently-written PR was filed, it could be quitely handled within HP. I must warn you though that unless a PR is filed, nobody is going to bother with a complaint on a mailing list. You can file a PR from any FreeBSD system you have. See the handbook for details. A PR also documents the problem so that other potential purchasers will know to avoid the problem model. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 09:13:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AD416A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:13:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp03.eresmas.com (asmtp03.eresmas.com [62.81.235.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF3943D55 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:13:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ea1abz@wanadoo.es) Received: from [192.168.108.58] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp03.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D0ym3-0003L0-NQ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:13:39 +0100 Received: from [80.103.1.154] (helo=[80.103.1.154]) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1D0ym2-0002Fy-Sk; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:13:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4211BD51.70106@wanadoo.es> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:13:53 +0100 From: Ramiro Aceves User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bsdnooby , freebsd-questions-en References: <4211A593.5010509@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4211A593.5010509@optonline.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: All your laptops are belong to Windows. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:13:42 -0000 Hello, Have a look at http://gerda.univie.ac.at/freebsd-laptops/ , I have not found your model, but perhaps you can take some hints from other HP laptops. Good Luck Ramiro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 09:18:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082CB16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:18:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D5743D2D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:18:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1F9Iqj48103; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:18:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Erik Steffl" , "freebsd-questions" Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:18:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <4210F3B5.9040506@bigfoot.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:18:53 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Erik Steffl > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:54 AM > To: freebsd-questions > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > ... > > of laziness. In my case I unfortunately decided it might be > a good thing > > to use a Microsoft client mail program to handle e-mail. This was a > > decade ago. I now have around ten thousand archived e-mail messages > > accumulated in a massive *.pst file that I really want to keep - not > > because > > I want to look at all of them again some day, but because from time > > to time I have to go digging around in that archive looking for some > > specific piece from some specific person - sometimes these > messages might > > be 5-6 years old. > > > > One of these days though when I get some time, that file is going to > > get exported so that I can get out of dealing with Outlook. As it is > ... > > not sure how you plan to do the conversion but it looks > like you are > thinking about doing something with file itself. I'd install an IMAP > server (it's good way to handle email anyway) and just use outlook to > copy the emails from local folders (i.e. pst file) to an IMAP server. > Pretty easy and you don't have to think about file formats > etc., outlook > does all the work for you. > > (maybe you already knew this but I thought it would be > useful to have > it out here for all readers because I have seen people puzzling about > how to get the email out from outlook and not considering this trivial > solution) > Yes, that is how I was planning on doing it since I am already using IMAP Note that for Outlook 98, and Outlook 2000, you MUST install Outlook in "Internet mode" NOT "corporate/workgroup mode" in order to use IMAP with Outlook. This doesen't apply to Outlook Express, BTW. Only to the Outlook that comes with Office XXX. They might have changed that in Outlook 2003 though. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 09:28:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B1216A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:28:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D5F43D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:28:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by nagual.st with local; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:28:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:28:40 +0100 To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <20050215092840.GB4425@lothlorien.nagual.st> References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <44is5imspz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <04d201c51214$4bb07ab0$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <420FD249.4060408@mac.com> <2147483647.1108326906@[192.168.2.100]> <20050214023836.GA27431@xor.obsecurity.org> <20050214112407.GB7268@lothlorien.nagual.st> <20050214233049.GC98419@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050214233049.GC98419@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i From: Dick Hoogendijk Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:28:42 -0000 On 14 Feb Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:24:07PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > > Meaning I don't run this update script when updating perl from say > > "5.8.5" to "5.8.6" ? > > No, that what I meant by "when updating from an older version". When > perl changes from e.g. 5.8.6 to 5.8.6_1 (an internal port change that > doesn't change where the files are stored on disk) you don't need to > take special action. Ah yes. So I DO run the script for the update to 5.8.6 ? OK, nice to know I didn't do that in veign ;-) The /usr/ports/UPDATE script for perl contains a little typo imho. It's referring to perl/5.[68].[1245] ! I think this should be changed to perl/5.[68].[12456] if updating to 5.8.6 (six)! Or not? -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 09:35:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A7716A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:35:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E38243D49 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:35:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1F9Zbj48160 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:35:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:35:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <1497115560.20050215024836@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:35:35 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 5:49 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > > > That is laughable. MS IE on Windows has one of the worst reputations > > around for following web standards. Go ask any professional > designer. > > I did better. I actually ran the W3C conformance tests against MSIE, > and it passed. At the time, no other browser came close. > This isn't the problem with IE Yes, IE does pass the conformance tests. The problem isn't that, the problem is that not only does IE digest correctly written HTML and display it, the problem is that it ALSO digest IMPROPERLY written HTML and displays whatever it damn well pleases. In short, there's no way to know how an incorrectly written HTML page will display on IE. By contrast it's easy to know how an incorrectly written HTML page will display on Netscape - it displays a blank page. As a result of this, people that create web pages (and I am NOT polluting the title 'web designer' by lumping every moron that writes a web page into that group) and only look at them with IE usually end up making lots of mistakes. They fix these by layering on even more bandaids and mistakes until they get something somewhat resembling what they are after. Is is of course only displayable in IE. Needless to say this is a VERY bad thing for the Internet because it undercuts the standards as it enables the proliferation of websites that don't follow them. By contrast the Netscape browser tends to reject bad HTML and displays nothing. And naturally what's sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander with Microsoft - since the homepage for MSN is made sure by the MSN designers to be perfectly displayable on even older versions of Netscape, which are the most intolerant of bad HTML. Whether or not IE really is failing compliance by doing this is arguable - it is pretty difficult to test for non-compliance when the way that the browser is non-compliant is because it is accepting incorrect HTML in addition to correct HTML. However web designers who are far more understanding of this have in fact created example web pages that display what some of the more obvious problems are. > Today, MSIE is not the only browser with good conformance, but it is > still one of the best. That depends on your definition of "best" Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 09:37:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC3816A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:37:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.zaleo.homeunix.net (fia99-99.dsl.hccnet.nl [62.251.99.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289CB43D1D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:37:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Zeo@Zaleo.nl) Received: from zeo.zaleo.nl ([192.168.0.97])j1F9mPp9003138 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:48:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Zeo@Zaleo.nl) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20050215102110.02d19c10@pop3.zaleo.homeunix.net> X-Sender: zeo@pop3.zaleo.homeunix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:37:23 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Zaleo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: NAT with SIP-Spoofing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:37:31 -0000 Dear all, Somehow I can't set-up my NAT router after changing the connection settings. It was working before, I changed the ppp connection to a SIP-Spoofing connection (In my ADSL router and FreeBSD Box). I have a local connection on my FreeBSD box. My ro0 interface is configured with my public IP. I started nat; /sbin/natd -v yes -interface rl0 There is no real output from this process. I have routed all traffic: /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via rl0 I used these instructions to get my FreeBSD Box connected to the Internet with SIP-Spoofing: http://www.xs4all.nl/~possamai/adsl/sip_spoof/ (Dutch) NAT was working correctly when I used the "nat enabled" option in my ppp script. The DNS lookup is correctly done on all workstation (With my own DNS server, forwarding from ISP). All workstations are using my FreeBSD box as default gateway (DHCP). Is there a conflict between SIP-Spoofing and NATd? If any more information is required please feel free to contact me. Thanks in advance, Zeo Smeijsters From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 09:55:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660D316A4CF for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:55:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bsd.ultra-secure.de (bsd.ultra-secure.de [62.146.20.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC5743D49 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:55:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: (qmail 26237 invoked by uid 1005); 15 Feb 2005 09:55:20 -0000 Received: from rainer@ultra-secure.de by bsd.ultra-secure.de by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 Clear:RC:1(217.235.142.201):. Processed in 0.24211 secs); 15 Feb 2005 09:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.10?) (rainer@ultra-secure.de@217.235.142.201) by bsd.ultra-secure.de with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 09:55:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4211C717.2000201@ultra-secure.de> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:55:35 +0100 From: Rainer Duffner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org cc: bsdnooby cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: All your laptops are belong to Windows. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:55:23 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of bsdnooby >>Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:33 PM >>To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org >>Subject: All your laptops are belong to Windows. >> >> >> >>I'm defeated. The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it >>turns off >>my laptop. >> >>When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new I'm blue.HP >>Pavilion laptop >>turns itself off. It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or >>floppies. There is no error log since it just shuts off after >>I choose >>to load a kernel. I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not >>help. I believe I tried all the kernel options available from >>the menu >>on 5.x. >> >> >> > >After reading that 4.X is killing it, my guess is that what's going on >is that one of the device drivers compiled into the kernel that is >for a piece of hardware that is NOT on your laptop is issuing a probe >that is hitting a port that HP decided to use for something. > >If you really wanted to, and you have a system already running 5.X, >it is possible to compile a custom kernel that has all device drivers >stripped out of it, then put this kernel onto the first install floppy >and do a floppy install of FreeBSD. Then make sure a copy of that kernel >exists on the system when you reboot. > >This is a long and complicated procedure, unfortunately, > If the laptop can do PXE-boot, it may be easier to build that custom-kernel for a PXE-install... Search for FreeBSD PXE install on Google. But I agree that it might be a better idea to get another laptop. I didn't have much problems with the FSC E8010, but it's not the cheapest and the power-management left something to be desired, I will retry it, though in the next weeks or months. Also, as the support for vmware4 on FreeBSD matures, it might also kill the only other reason for Linux on that thing ;-) If you want to keep a HP, try a NX 7010 and see if that works better. The "Pavillion"-series is really the low-end of the spectrum. cheers, Rainer -- =================================================== ~ Rainer Duffner - rainer@ultra-secure.de ~ ~ Freising - Munich - Germany ~ ~ Unix - Linux - BSD - OpenSource - Security ~ ~ http://www.ultra-secure.de/~rainer/pubkey.pgp ~ =================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 10:11:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8ED16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:11:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.bitdefender.com (ns.bitdefender.com [217.156.83.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70D7743D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:11:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from apircalabu@bitdefender.com) Received: (qmail 21236 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 10:12:15 -0000 Received: from apircalabu.dsd.ro (10.10.15.22) by mail.dsd.ro with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 10:12:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:14:54 +0200 From: Adi Pircalabu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050215121454.2be41735@apircalabu.dsd.ro> In-Reply-To: References: <20050212042318.GA34223@fw.farid-hajji.net> Organization: BitDefender X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BitDefender-SpamStamp: 1.1.3 036000040111AAAAAAE X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender Qmail 1.6.1 on mail.dsd.ro X-BitDefender-Spam: No (0) Subject: Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:11:57 -0000 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:17 -0800 "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > A spammer is forging several of SORBS spamtrap e-mail > addresses on their outgoing spams. The spams hit freebsd.org > which of course is bouncing them back to the sender, which > is in this case is the spamtrap e-mail addresses. This > triggers the SORBS autolisting. Well, in this case, how about avoiding bounces completely? Bouncing to a forged sender address is not the most clever (re)action these days. Spammers and viruses abuse this succesfully (you pointed this very well). I belive that deleting (maybe dropping, tarpitting or deffering - adjust to taste) these bad bad messages is a better idea. -- Adrian Pircalabu Public KeyID = 0x04329F5E -- This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender. For more information please visit http://linux.bitdefender.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 10:23:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D24916A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:23:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABD343D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:23:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lotto.kim@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1977756wri for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:23:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=F97kq7IJpJJQDHow+rbSMBPXqgh1JKUMCgJ4aaqYo4dFSfFwdnn95nPjQIIAOSAuMv995DG5dXHKvwtBmlBsepR9tGPw7qUf48qaS3UDRIOp6vczEBErTbTqbefpYiMRo/zAS3gTRYzxTfCeXDPcWlugAjW9YH6kUqZ1jv+egaI= Received: by 10.54.56.58 with SMTP id e58mr40775wra; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.54 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:23:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45680d1e050215022352d5cd9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:23:19 +0100 From: Kim johansen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kim johansen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:23:23 -0000 i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound before the mail is sendt. Feb 15 11:21:24 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: from=qkim, size=44, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200502151021.j1FALOJv040844@srv102.*>, relay=root@localhost Feb 15 11:21:44 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: to=lotto.kim@gmail.com, ctladdr=qkim (1960/1975), delay=00:00:20, xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=relay, pri=30044, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (j1FALOJ9040845 Message accepted for delivery) Feb 15 11:22:27 srv102 sm-mta[40857]: j1FALOJ9040845: to=, ctladdr= (1960/1975), delay=00:00:43, xdelay=00:00:43, mailer=esmtp, pri=30375, relay=gsmtp171.google.com. [64.233.171.27], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK 1108462951) where do this delay come from? Mvh Kim Johansen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 10:27:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2FD16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from demas002.adtranz.com (demas002.adtranz.com [213.68.98.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4D943D5F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:27:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mats.lindberg@se.transport.bombardier.com) Received: from EMEAML02.UK.BOMBARDIER.TRANSPORT.COM (emea-ml02 [10.157.248.22]) by demas002.adtranz.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1FANY3X001464; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:23:35 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <1108400835.11968.138.camel@wolverine> To: Khairil Yusof MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0 September 26, 2002 From: mats.lindberg@se.transport.bombardier.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:29:15 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on EMEA-ML02/Server/Transport/Bombardier(Release 6.0.3|September 18, 2003) at 02/15/2005 10:29:17, Serialize complete at 02/15/2005 10:29:17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel preemption X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:27:11 -0000 I've compiled the kernel with=20 options PREEMTION I've tried rtprio I've tried sched=5Fsetscheduler(...scheduler=3DFIFO, priority=3D31...); Swapping is turned off. 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Si vous l?avez re=E7u par inadvertance,=20 veuillez nous en aviser et d=E9truire ce message.=20 Merci.=20 =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 10:32:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4950A16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FB3243D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:32:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 27885 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 30794 invoked by uid 89); 15 Feb 2005 10:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (82.76.1.117) by 0 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 10:36:23 -0000 Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [192.168.0.10]) by buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A8C6161; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:24:21 +0200 (EET) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A8425; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:34:00 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:33:59 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Cristian Teodorescu Message-ID: <20050215123359.14ddc2bf@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATI 9000 IGP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:32:31 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:56:14 +0200 Cristian Teodorescu wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Acer Travelmate 2000 with ATI 9000 IGP graphic card due to > this all devices from computer are seen as produced by ATI inclusive > soud card that is a Realtek ALS650 AC'97. > > Currently I am using Freebsd 5.2.1, everything works except for sound. > I think all it need to be modified is some PCI id in the sound > subsystem but I did not managed to find where realtek driver is. The > card id for sound id 0x41431002 as reported by pciconf -lv. Can > anybody tell me where i can find the realtek driver in order to fix > it? You have more chances to get a response on multimedia@ or mobile@ Also note that 5.2.1 was a preview release and a lot has changed since. Did you try 5.3 ? -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 10:51:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F6D16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:51:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grover.logicsquad.net (ppp140-249.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.140.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC8E043D3F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:51:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paulh@logicsquad.net) Received: (qmail 39525 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Feb 2005 10:51:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:21:05 +1030 From: "Paul A. Hoadley" To: Luke Message-ID: <20050215105105.GB95283@grover.logicsquad.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: RL cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:51:14 -0000 --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:56:01PM -0800, Luke wrote: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, RL wrote: >=20 > >1. I have adelphia cable internet. I would like to get a dyndns or > >no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain. > >Simple enough. However, I would like to also do my own DNS to > >learn more about it. Will I be able to do this if I set my > >nameserver on godaddy to my box's dyndns address? And from there > >can I set up A records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff? > > For a domain name to be effective, you need a public and highly > referenced source to map your name to your IP address. You certainly need a DNS server. > That's what these public registrars do. The registrar certainly puts an NS record in the top-level zone file. Beyond that, some of them no doubt provide nameservice for an extra fee, or are associated with some DNS provider. But registration of the name and provision of DNS are separate issues. > You want them to map your name to your address. You can't move that > service to your own box because... well.. how would anybody find you > in the first place? While your conclusion might be true for the OP (we have established elsewhere that he almost certainly can't do what he was hoping he could), it's not about being able to find his machine. If he fulfilled the technical requirements (static IP addresses, more than one host providing DNS), he certainly could point the world at his own box by nominating it, and another, as the namerservers with his registrar. > Technically you can do SOME of the domain service yourself if you're > running a network. Public DNS servers might get them to > yourdomain.com, and then you could direct them to > machine1.yourdomain.com, machine2.yourdomain.com, etc. but you > probably don't have any need for something like that at home. Unless you're describing port redirection of some kind, you're describing the OP doing his own DNS. I think we've ruled that out. > You can run your own DNS service to do lookups for yourself though, > and it's a fun way to learn about how the global system works. > Check out the sections of the FreeBSD Handbook on BIND. Running DNS > for a small network in my home was pretty educational for me. I agree. Running BIND on your own network is a good exercise. > >3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain > >(again to learn). Would I be able to do this and send receive > >email from/to name@mynewdomain.com? I know most ISPs block port 25 > >and no-ip.com has a pay service called mail reflector that can get > >around this. Is this necessary? Why couldn't I just set up > >sendmail to use a port other than 25 like 8080? >=20 > Sending isn't the problem. You can send from just about any port > you want. It's receiving that's the problem. When a mail server > tries to deliver mail to mynewdomain.com, it's going to be looking > for your mail server on port 25, because that's the standard. It's > just like how your web browser always goes looking for a web server > on port 80 when you contact another machine. Unless there's some > trick you can do with the MX records for your domain to advertise to > the world that your mail server is running on a nonstandard port, There is no such trick. > I don't know how you could get around the receiving problem if your > ISP blocks incoming connections to port 25, short of having some > external service like those you've mentioned cache the mail for you. As an aside, are there still ISPs that do this? How draconian. --=20 Paul. w http://logicsquad.net/ h http://paul.hoadley.name/ --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEdQZ730Z/jysbzIRAhTXAJ9gfQdvNQepxUkAon/X/QbQddjGWACbB+sv K6pC2U0wQgJFAcO3RBaaNgA= =Ji1t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:01:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404FB16A4EC for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:01:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 22EF543D2D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:01:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from barner@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2005 11:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO zi025.glhnet.mhn.de) (129.187.19.157) by mail.gmx.net (mp013) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 12:01:08 +0100 X-Authenticated: #147403 Received: by zi025.glhnet.mhn.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7846AC1C3; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:01:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:01:34 +0100 From: Simon Barner To: Kim johansen Message-ID: <20050215110134.GB45607@zi025.glhnet.mhn.de> References: <45680d1e050215022352d5cd9d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45680d1e050215022352d5cd9d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:01:12 -0000 --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Kim johansen wrote: > i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes > 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound > before the mail is sendt. Hi, that sounds like a DNS issue. Make sure that forward an reverse lookups are working correctly, and that your hostname is set properly in /etc/rc.conf. Simon --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEdaNCkn+/eutqCoRAtJ9AKDh4I4XIifQ5WPmbk0dH9Sm/vzoGACg/RZB baK6z5x6T9sZxoq2bntqudw= =1/dN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:07:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22A716A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:07:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4101343D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:07:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lotto.kim@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1981973wri for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:07:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LoTQD3bEnd+5JmDIxFfUPIRzmjnU8Ty34kLRh8FwmDxWkZSpfvcgrRbeTGldtymJ7OdyPUNC1Lqha9hZXk4oY//OPyn7EY4d9ggQVzjAfHaNd1WyvvX8n2Za2LedyPclY7dmBsLZVIM+5BFbUT25KN2/EXw+Tlp2OUMqfjA733k= Received: by 10.54.48.47 with SMTP id v47mr129596wrv; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.54 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:07:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45680d1e050215030741ef34fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:07:22 +0100 From: Kim johansen To: Simon Barner In-Reply-To: <20050215110134.GB45607@zi025.glhnet.mhn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <45680d1e050215022352d5cd9d@mail.gmail.com> <20050215110134.GB45607@zi025.glhnet.mhn.de> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kim johansen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:07:23 -0000 I cant find any problemes with dns. try to ping localhost/hostname/domain, i got a answear, it takes 0.046 ms. Kim Johansen On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:01:34 +0100, Simon Barner wrote: > Kim johansen wrote: > > i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes > > 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound > > before the mail is sendt. > > Hi, > > that sounds like a DNS issue. Make sure that forward an reverse lookups are > working correctly, and that your hostname is set properly in > /etc/rc.conf. > > Simon > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:10:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DFD16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:10:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from male.aldigital.co.uk (male.thebunker.net [213.129.64.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4669643D48 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:10:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthew@thebunker.net) Received: from gravitas.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by male.aldigital.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDECB9761A; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:10:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gravitas.thebunker.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j1FBA2CW000540; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:10:02 GMT (envelope-from matthew@gravitas.thebunker.net) Received: (from matthew@localhost) by gravitas.thebunker.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1EMiOMJ016446; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:44:24 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:43:44 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: Toomas Aas Message-ID: <20050214224344.GA1267@gravitas.thebunker.net> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Toomas Aas , questions@freebsd.org References: <420B436A.8060202@raad.tartu.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420B436A.8060202@raad.tartu.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache2 with worker MPM on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:10:13 -0000 --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 01:20:10PM +0200, Toomas Aas wrote: > We are running a fairly busy website with Apache 2.0.52. At times > a lot of httpd processes gather up and consume all the available > memory, which slows down web access. You should check and see if apache is validly spawning all those sub-processes to cope with a traffic spike, or whether there's some condition that's gumming up the works -- having a whole row of apace processes hanging because they are attempting to talk to some database that itself has gone a bit tits-up and isn't responding correctly could quite easily lead to the sort of effect you're seeing. An important tip with running Apache on high performance we sites is to limit the maximum number of clients that will be spawned at any one time so that it doesn't drive the system into swapping -- essentially decide how muchof the system RAM you can dedicate to Apache, look at the size of an individual apache process via ps(1), divide one by the other and use that as the 'MaxClients' setting in httpd.conf. Note that loading such modules as mod_perl or mod_php will increase the size of individual apace processes enormously. Don't load such modules unless you actually need them, and in some cases it may even be worth running several instances of apache, both with and without those modules, plus adroit use of proxying and mod_rewrite in order to get the best performance. Note too that Apache 1.3.x processes are generally smaller than equivalently configured Apache 2.0.x processes so may help you get the most out of your server. > Apache2 was installed from ports and defaulted to prefork MPM. I read > from the Apache performance tuning document that worker MPM may perform > better on busy websites and has smaller memory footprint. Is it safe to > run Apache2 with worker MPM on FreeBSD 5.3? There must be a reason why > prefork is the default... Prefork is the original mechanism Apache used to multiplex itself. It generally works exceedingly well on Unix systems where fork(2) is fast and efficient, which is why it is the default. Threaded MPMs may or may not be better for your particular situation, depending on: i) OS -- some have vastly better implemented threading infrastructure than others. For some, the overhead of fork()+exec() is huge, making use of threads anecessity. ii) Web application -- if you're just serving static HTML, then there's no need to use anything other than the prefork MPM. On the other hand, if you're running large, complicated web apps written in perl, PHP, Java etc. then a threaded MPM may fit better with the design of that particular application. iii) The nature of the workload -- how much data are you shifting, how much does it cost your servers to generate that data, how does demand vary with time-of-day or day-of-week. There isn't any one-size-fits-all answer. You will have to experiment with your particular set up in order to tune it for maximum performance. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBQhEpoJr7OpndfbmCAQJL6gP/ffMZlF9sGTlGv1ZB3ytSMH4daxz5fRML XRAw0b17Zxf+Onq3E3Hm1COh1SsHjYpLAXUENQc0T2CZJ9iNcnuW/FYa/7/oMjMC TcIyCaFdpeNv2MoBqzFCGOzWHw1aC8SYQ1I9rKr77Uq251+n12zlnpoR7aiENwQh +eNL3Tc1JGo= =gQEx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:16:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAB216A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:16:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1296343D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:16:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2005 11:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 12:16:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: Kim johansen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:10:43 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <45680d1e050215022352d5cd9d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45680d1e050215022352d5cd9d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050215111618.1296343D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:16:19 -0000 err, just an idea, youre relaying via smtp from gmail. isnt that smtp.gmail.com? just from what ive lately seen, the gmail smtp server is a little bit slow on sending.... On Tuesday 15 February 2005 11:23, Kim johansen wrote: > i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes > 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound > before the mail is sendt. > > Feb 15 11:21:24 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: from=qkim, > size=44, class=0, nrcpts=1, > msgid=<200502151021.j1FALOJv040844@srv102.*>, relay=root@localhost > > Feb 15 11:21:44 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: > to=lotto.kim@gmail.com, ctladdr=qkim (1960/1975), delay=00:00:20, > xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=relay, pri=30044, relay=[127.0.0.1] > [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (j1FALOJ9040845 Message accepted for > delivery) > > Feb 15 11:22:27 srv102 sm-mta[40857]: j1FALOJ9040845: > to=, ctladdr= (1960/1975), > delay=00:00:43, xdelay=00:00:43, mailer=esmtp, pri=30375, > relay=gsmtp171.google.com. [64.233.171.27], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK > 1108462951) > > where do this delay come from? > > Mvh > Kim Johansen > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:21:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF0E16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:21:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55EA43D3F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:21:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lotto.kim@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1983426wri for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:21:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JKEgbZArGfuNCsuG/lglWnihFq6auRhEG7zUjg1Sj/m8nheJvOtHSmjll5Bp+JJSbI2fpMzbSQhebgnCnBLEr8xxp+VQASdSgkBxCu5BCoc7fjV5hMLZSWVIpNXpSoVU/x2mmsAUXQJaJDEnkzqnoS7CgZ98PETZEjaSdDr1XEw= Received: by 10.54.56.58 with SMTP id e58mr69934wra; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.54 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:21:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45680d1e05021503215fef5cdb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:21:30 +0100 From: Kim johansen To: Oliver Leitner In-Reply-To: <20050215111618.1296343D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <45680d1e050215022352d5cd9d@mail.gmail.com> <20050215111618.1296343D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kim johansen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:21:33 -0000 Thats not the problem, it takes 20 secound before sendmail can get the message accepted. it is been queued after 20 secounds. So a phpscript with mail would be running for 20secounds just to send a mail. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:10:43 +0100, Oliver Leitner wrote: > err, just an idea, youre relaying via smtp from gmail. > > isnt that smtp.gmail.com? > > just from what ive lately seen, the gmail smtp server is a little bit slow on > sending.... > > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 11:23, Kim johansen wrote: > > i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes > > 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound > > before the mail is sendt. > > > > Feb 15 11:21:24 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: from=qkim, > > size=44, class=0, nrcpts=1, > > msgid=<200502151021.j1FALOJv040844@srv102.*>, relay=root@localhost > > > > Feb 15 11:21:44 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: > > to=lotto.kim@gmail.com, ctladdr=qkim (1960/1975), delay=00:00:20, > > xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=relay, pri=30044, relay=[127.0.0.1] > > [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (j1FALOJ9040845 Message accepted for > > delivery) > > > > Feb 15 11:22:27 srv102 sm-mta[40857]: j1FALOJ9040845: > > to=, ctladdr= (1960/1975), > > delay=00:00:43, xdelay=00:00:43, mailer=esmtp, pri=30375, > > relay=gsmtp171.google.com. [64.233.171.27], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK > > 1108462951) > > > > where do this delay come from? > > > > Mvh > > Kim Johansen > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > By reading this mail you agree to the following: > > using or giving out the email address and any > other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. > By acting against this agreement the author of this mail > will take possible legal actions against the abuse. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:22:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4F216A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:22:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5B143D39 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:22:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1FBM5j48959; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:22:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:22:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <468469277.20050215000639@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal cc: atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:22:05 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:07 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > > Yes, and unfortunately that happens a lot. The most frequent > constraint > I encounter myself is the need to read or write Microsoft Word files. > Fortunately it is mostly just reading, so I can get away with the free > Word viewer downloaded from MS, but if I must write the files, > I have no > choice but to use the dusty old copy of Office running on my oldest > desktop machine. Many wordprocessors write in Microsoft Word format these days. > I personally have no use for Word at all, since I do > all my text processing on Quark these days, but other people don't have > Quark XPress, usually. > That is what AW used to layout my book, as a matter of fact. It's currently the defacto standard in the publishing industry because they can go directly from it to a printing press. But it is rediculously expensive at $1,045.00 SRP. I hesitate to tell you how large of a percentage of my book royalties a purchase like this would take, but I will say it's definitely more than a single digit percentage. IMHO this is self-defeating. Very few book authors would spend this for writing software, and the publishers (like AW) spend millions a year in retyping costs to take manuscripts from printouts and such to stick them into Quark. Quark is really vulnerable from being disloged from this monopoly. I can see that Quark is already starting to fight a rearguard action as they are dumping copies of it at the educational price into the academic market, now. (where a lot of books originate) You should at least check out Scribus http://www.scribus.org.uk/ This is an open source project that is aiming to replace Quark There has already been one book published with it. While perhaps you might not be able to use it now, give it another 5 years and it might do it. I would have probably used this for writing mine if it had been available then. > > But even if this were not the case, the obvious question still arises: > WHY would I switch to 100% UNIX, when Windows works perfectly on the > desktop? YOU personally might not. But you were originally arguing that FreeBSD was unsuitable for a desktop OS. Now I see this is subtly changing, you are now only arguing that FreeBSD is unsuitable for YOUR desktop OS. But, you see, that is the point that I was trying to make in my last post. Anything can be used as a desktop OS, depending on your needs for a desktop. One of our customers for example uses Wyse Winterms (my idea, incidentally) that he purchases off Ebay, that are logged into a Fedora server. His desktops are at a number of stores that are in the grocery store chain that he manages the IT for, they have cash registers attached to them. The company he works for is one of the faster growing regional Mexican grocery store chains in this area. I am quite sure that his company is successful in a large part because of the massive inventory control they have - the second something is sold in any of their stores it's updated in the master inventory, there isn't any of this batching bullcrap that a lot of grocery stores use, where they have individual servers at each store who all dial into each other at night and attempt to create some recognizable update to the database. His chain can probably move product between stores and get product ordered faster than any of their competitors, and when your dealing with perishables this is of paramount importance. (particularly when most of them are shipped from Mexico) Now, most people aren't going to be using Winterms but the point is that people have wildly varying needs, and many of them could in fact use FreeBSD successfully as a desktop OS. > > They don't need an excuse. If they have a program that they > know how to > use, there's no reason at all for them to learn to use another program. > Tell that to Microsoft then. The new versions of Word, Excel, etc ARE ANOTHER PROGRAMS the training required to bring most of the office users up to speed on them is considerable. I know this from experience I used to work as a sysadmin for a number of years and worked at several companies. I always hated when Microsoft brought out new versions of software because users would pester me with support questions for MONTHS after updating them. The worse offenders in fact were usually the same people who were the biggest pushers to get updated. And the costs had nothing to do with it. I remember the Office 95 - Office 97 upgrade, for example. At the company I was working at that time they were a small startup and didn't have a lot of cash - I sat down with the CFO the day after pricing was announced for Office 97 and laid out exactly all of the costs required for updating - from new system purchases (for some people with older systems that would just be too slow) to the licensing plus a sketchy analysis of the productivity losses and labor costs. The guy went white, and we jointly went to the CEO and all of us agreed to stand firm in the face of user demands for upgrading, as the company just couldn't afford the expense then (at least, according to the CEO and CFO) But of course I was being naieve - 2 months later I was commencing an Office 97 upgrade, and all the costs I had predicted materialized, plus a considerable number more. The CEO had buckled under userbase screaming about it, and had been talked into believing it would save money (by the sales VP of course) It never did, then they went through the whole thing again with Office 2000 2 years later. I had left them by then and gone to work elsewere, they eventually folded in 2002 or thereabouts. But it is a fact that there were major and badly needed IT infrastructure upgrade projects - such as a new main switch - that never got done on account of the constant demands for help and assistance from the userbase for the new Office software. And the few times I tried telling the user's supervisors to tell them to go get training, I was rebuffed with the "that's what we are paying you for" line. Well, no, what I was being paid for was to keep the infrastructure stable and growing to support the company, not to babysit a bunch of lusers who couldn't read the manual. And since I ended up wasting time on the training, I was not particularly proud of the infrastructure in the company when I left it. So, don't give me the bullcrap about people wanting to stay with what they know. They don't. If the vast majority of users in a company knew anything about computers beyond how to turn them on, companies wouldn't need IT people. In reality only a handful of users in most companies take responsibility for their own computer literacy, the rest of them expect to have it hand-fed to them, and will learn as little as possible. And you can hand-feed them FreeBSD/Linux and office apps that run on that platform, with just as much trouble as you can hand-feed them Windows and MS office apps. > It's not up to these people to justify to you their continuing use of a > solution that has always worked for them and continues to work > for them. They never do this. Oh only if they would I would have been so happy to let them contine using their copies of Office 95!!! I would have been much happier and most of them would have also. > It's up to you to explain to them why they should expend > additional time > and effort learning to use something new just to accomplish exactly the > same thing. > You just don't get it. It just doesen't work like that in reality. In reality, what happens in these companies is that you get 1 or 2 power users, or more commonly, people who think they are power users but are just wannabes, who read the marketing literature saying how the new version is going to be so much easier and faster. They then go get copies of the new stuff (often expensing it in violation of internal company policy) and load it on their PC, then call in IT when that blows up something on their PC because now they can't work and it's an emergency. IT gets badgered into getting a bandaid in place on their system, so they eventually get it running. Then, they go around to everyone else and use the old "I got something that you don't got" psychology, and next thing you know the rest of them want it also. I will also observe that all the time that these power users spend on this pretty much means they can't do the work they were hired to do. But, they don't seem to ever get fired for that. > You seem to think that switching from Windows > to UNIX is > no big deal, For some it isn't a big deal. > even though it serves no purpose, Not true. In businesses it makes a LOT of sense. > They want the path of least > resistance so that they don't have to waste time thinking about > computers. No, so they don't have to spend time thinking, period. Has it really escaped you that the vast majority of the US adult population is very uninterested in this activity? > And on the desktop, the path of least resistance > is Windows. > And, guess what? Putting apple juice and grape juice in the kid's glass instead of milk is the path of least resistance too. easy does not always equal best. > question comes up again: Why bother? Windows does the job, so why > _not_ install Windows? > The principle and most obvious reason is cost - an Open Source solution is cheaper - assuming the costs we are talking about are overall, long term costs. Think of it this way. Supposing that you personally were not required to output in Quark file format to your customers. (we will assume for the moment that all other file formats you output in can be produced by open source software) Suppose you have another 30 years of work before you retire. Suppose that you generate your current and future income from these desktop applications. Right now you only know your Windows desktop apps and your looking at the UNIX apps and thinking about the big learning curve that you would have to go over to switch to them before you could become as equally productive. (I'm of course ignoring the gaming apps which are transitory and produce little of anything of value, and can be argued that time wasted on them is being stolen from much healthier games such as physical activity games that will keep you from having a coronary at age 50) You know that during that learning curve you will be spending a lot of time on it, as time=money, this represents a significant cost to you. SO your asking why spend the money? The answer is that if you stay with the commercial software, over your lifetime you will have spent a much larger portion of your income on commercial software, than if you take the cost now of switching over, beause those commercial companies cannot survive without a revenue stream, and they get this by constant upgrading. That upgrading also raises your lifetime hardware costs significantly. You know, people face decisions like this for things like buying water heaters - I think you were arguing in favor of something like this last week in fact - and make the obvious choice to go with the cheaper overall cost solution in a blink of an eye, every day. Why is it so agonizing when it's their computer software? Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:29:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2E616A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:29:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D60BF43D39 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:29:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Shadow333@gmx.at) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2005 11:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (62.218.246.180) by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 12:29:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1027147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Oliver Leitner Organization: none To: Kim johansen Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:23:49 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <45680d1e050215022352d5cd9d@mail.gmail.com> <20050215111618.1296343D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <45680d1e05021503215fef5cdb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45680d1e05021503215fef5cdb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Message-Id: <20050215112926.D60BF43D39@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:29:27 -0000 may you please post your sendmail.mc file? On Tuesday 15 February 2005 12:21, Kim johansen wrote: > Thats not the problem, it takes 20 secound before sendmail can get the > message accepted. it is been queued after 20 secounds. > > So a phpscript with mail would be running for 20secounds just to send a > mail. > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:10:43 +0100, Oliver Leitner wrote: > > err, just an idea, youre relaying via smtp from gmail. > > > > isnt that smtp.gmail.com? > > > > just from what ive lately seen, the gmail smtp server is a little bit > > slow on sending.... > > > > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 11:23, Kim johansen wrote: > > > i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes > > > 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound > > > before the mail is sendt. > > > > > > Feb 15 11:21:24 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: from=qkim, > > > size=44, class=0, nrcpts=1, > > > msgid=<200502151021.j1FALOJv040844@srv102.*>, relay=root@localhost > > > > > > Feb 15 11:21:44 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: > > > to=lotto.kim@gmail.com, ctladdr=qkim (1960/1975), delay=00:00:20, > > > xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=relay, pri=30044, relay=[127.0.0.1] > > > [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (j1FALOJ9040845 Message accepted for > > > delivery) > > > > > > Feb 15 11:22:27 srv102 sm-mta[40857]: j1FALOJ9040845: > > > to=, ctladdr= (1960/1975), > > > delay=00:00:43, xdelay=00:00:43, mailer=esmtp, pri=30375, > > > relay=gsmtp171.google.com. [64.233.171.27], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK > > > 1108462951) > > > > > > where do this delay come from? > > > > > > Mvh > > > Kim Johansen > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > > By reading this mail you agree to the following: > > > > using or giving out the email address and any > > other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. > > By acting against this agreement the author of this mail > > will take possible legal actions against the abuse. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:38:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C7A16A4D4 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:38:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MXR-4.estpak.ee (mta2.mail.neti.ee [194.126.101.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08A343D46 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:38:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from [80.235.60.77] (80-235-60-77-dsl.trt.estpak.ee [80.235.60.77]) by MXR-4.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220CB129868; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:37:58 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4211DEC1.6060007@raad.tartu.ee> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:36:33 +0200 From: Toomas Aas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (X11/20041207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <420B436A.8060202@raad.tartu.ee> <20050214224344.GA1267@gravitas.thebunker.net> In-Reply-To: <20050214224344.GA1267@gravitas.thebunker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache2 with worker MPM on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:38:17 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > Prefork is the original mechanism Apache used to multiplex itself. It > generally works exceedingly well on Unix systems where fork(2) is fast > and efficient, which is why it is the default. Threaded MPMs may or > may not be better for your particular situation, depending on: Thanks a lot for the insight, Matthew. on Sunday I tried installing Apache2 with worker MPM and found out that I also had to rebuild PHP to make libphp4.so support threading. And then I found out that several PHP extensions that we need (such as php4-mysql) do not want to work with threading enabled. I didn't spend too much time investigating because I wanted to get the web server back up within reasonable time, but it seems that some PHP extensions just aren't considered thread safe and refuse to load when threaded version of PHP is in use. So I had to put back Apache2 with prefork MPM. On the positive note, it has been performing better than before. Upgrading the Apache and PHP ports to latest may have something to do with it, as well as me finding and fixing a procedure which occasionally pulled /var/tmp full from remote server via http (aargh). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:38:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1988D16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:38:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985B743D54 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:38:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1FBcsj49022 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:38:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:38:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <435651952.20050215001107@wanadoo.fr> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:38:52 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:11 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... > > > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > > Like Anthony, I do use Windows on the desktop myself. > > Well, that says it all, doesn't it? > No, the rest of the posting "says it all" > > If you had only one computer that could boot only one OS, > which would it > be? > I have been in that situation before. Back in 1986 I was the stereotypical starving student and could not afford to run out and buy new computer hardware. And by that time, it was obvious the future was in Intel-based PC hardware, so none of my older computer gear was worth screwing with, and worse was that the used market for old computer gear was pretty well stuffed with non-Intel gear. People were still in 1986, using IBM XTs for business work, and if they were Dumpsterizing them, it wasn't in any of the Dumpsters I ever dived into. So, buying a cheap older used computer wasn't really an option then like it is today. I ended up buying the pieces of a clone IBM XT, brand new, and assembling a computer. I was too poor to afford a case for it so the thing sat with all it's guts on the table. The monitor was an amber composite that I had purchased, also new, back sometime in 1982 or 1983, driven from a CGA card (some of those older CGA cards had composite output) No hard drive, this was a dual floppy system. (initially, I ended up getting a 10MB drive later on) I initially ran a pirated copy of DOS on it (remember, at that time MS wasn't selling DOS retail) but shortly after I got it up I switched over to...drumroll Minix. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:44:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2EF16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:44:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B726643D2D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:44:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1FBhq9p087660; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:44:10 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: Jon Bruce In-Reply-To: <421193C3.2060702@koroded.net> References: <421193C3.2060702@koroded.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:43:52 +0000 Message-Id: <1108467832.23699.264.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FTP server problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:44:07 -0000 On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 01:16 -0500, Jon Bruce wrote: > Hi there, just trying to install FreeBSD, I am in the install section > and can seemingly login to an ftp server. However everyone I try just > brings me back to the ftp server listing. Any help would be great. Thanks Are you behind a firewall or gateway? If so, try passive mode - it's one of the options. Peter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:46:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F8216A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:46:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A99F43D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:46:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1FBkW7R087682; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:46:32 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: David Wassman In-Reply-To: <42118065.1080303@cox.net> References: <42118065.1080303@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:46:32 +0000 Message-Id: <1108467992.23699.267.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: probably a simple problem with permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:46:52 -0000 On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 23:53 -0500, David Wassman wrote: > I am probably understanding this problem incorrectly meaning there is a > simple explanation that is escaping me. My /dev/cd0 is owned by root so > I have tried to change both the owner and the group so I can use it as a > user. > > I have tried: > chmod 777 /dev/cd0 > chmod -R 777 /dev/cd0 > chgrp 777 /dev/cd0 > > The problem is that when I reboot the system the old permissions return > and I have to su and change the permissions back. How do I make these > changes permanent? There is probably a security reason for this but it > is very inconvenient on a desktop station. Any help would be > appreciated. I am running 5.3. You need to make appropriate entries in /etc/devfs.conf Read the file - it has some examples. Peter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:48:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC66716A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:48:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1336443D46 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:48:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1FBmYT6087687; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:48:49 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: Bob Ababurko In-Reply-To: <421162ED.2070807@phreakout.net> References: <421162ED.2070807@phreakout.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:48:34 +0000 Message-Id: <1108468114.23699.269.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to configure a port for install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:48:44 -0000 On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 21:48 -0500, Bob Ababurko wrote: > Hello- > > I am trying to figure out how to configure the ports....what I am trying > to do is add mhash to my system that a new script needs and I have to > add the --with-mhash=[dir] when I compile php. Well I installed php > with the ports and I am hoping to reinstall it with this added. I have > tried to add it to the Makefile under the configure options, but I got > an error that said: "Unassociated shell command". That obviously is not > the right way. Just install: /usr/ports/security/php4-mhash on top of your existing php installation. An alternative is to install /lang/php4-extensions and check the relevant boxes. Peter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:52:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B1316A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:52:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lorna.circlesquared.com (host217-45-219-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.45.219.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C02E43D2D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:52:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) Received: from localhost.circlesquared.com (localhost.circlesquared.com [127.0.0.1])j1FBr2pk087702; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:53:03 GMT (envelope-from peter@circlesquared.com) From: Peter Risdon To: Bob Ababurko In-Reply-To: <1108468114.23699.269.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> References: <421162ED.2070807@phreakout.net> <1108468114.23699.269.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:53:02 +0000 Message-Id: <1108468382.23699.272.camel@lorna.circlesquared.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to configure a port for install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:52:58 -0000 On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 11:48 +0000, Peter Risdon wrote: > On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 21:48 -0500, Bob Ababurko wrote: > > Hello- > > > > I am trying to figure out how to configure the ports....what I am trying > > to do is add mhash to my system that a new script needs and I have to > > add the --with-mhash=[dir] when I compile php. Well I installed php > > with the ports and I am hoping to reinstall it with this added. I have > > tried to add it to the Makefile under the configure options, but I got > > an error that said: "Unassociated shell command". That obviously is not > > the right way. > > Just install: > > /usr/ports/security/php4-mhash > > on top of your existing php installation. > > An alternative is to install /lang/php4-extensions and check the > relevant boxes. Ugh. errant slash: install lang/php4-extensions Peter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:58:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C44816A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:58:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2140B43D54 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:58:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1FBw2j49113; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Adi Pircalabu" , Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:58:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <20050215121454.2be41735@apircalabu.dsd.ro> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:58:03 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Adi Pircalabu > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:15 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! > > > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:17 -0800 > "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > > > A spammer is forging several of SORBS spamtrap e-mail > > addresses on their outgoing spams. The spams hit freebsd.org > > which of course is bouncing them back to the sender, which > > is in this case is the spamtrap e-mail addresses. This > > triggers the SORBS autolisting. > > Well, in this case, how about avoiding bounces completely? > Bouncing to a > forged sender address is not the most clever (re)action these days. > Spammers and viruses abuse this succesfully (you pointed this very > well). > I belive that deleting (maybe dropping, tarpitting or deffering - > adjust to taste) these bad bad messages is a better idea. > Once you can figure out how to program the FreeBSD mailservers to determine exactly which incoming message is spam that needs to be dropped, and which is a legitimate message that is just perhaps misspelled and needs to be returned to the sender, your life wouldn't be worth a plugged nickel because every spammer on the face of the Earth would be gunning for you. ;-) Better yet is figuring out how to program a mailserver to determine which incoming mail senders address is the forged one, and which is the real one. A forgery wouldn't be much good if they forged an invalid e-mail address, now would it? ;-) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:08:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB3C16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:08:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from skippyii.compar.com (old.compar.com [216.208.38.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8439E43D1D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:08:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from hermes (CPE00062566c7bb-CM000039c69a66.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.193.82.185])j1FCG1PI096201; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:16:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <009001c51356$c5bbc6a0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matt Emmerton" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , "Adi Pircalabu" , References: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:06:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:08:32 -0000 > > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:17 -0800 > > "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > > > > > A spammer is forging several of SORBS spamtrap e-mail > > > addresses on their outgoing spams. The spams hit freebsd.org > > > which of course is bouncing them back to the sender, which > > > is in this case is the spamtrap e-mail addresses. This > > > triggers the SORBS autolisting. > > > > Well, in this case, how about avoiding bounces completely? Better yet, why doesn't SORBS clean up it's act and only accept bounces for messages that were sent by their systems? Some kind of simple token in the test messages (much like how mailing list software uses unique IDs) would avoid these kinds of fake-bounces-causing-blacklisting errors. -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:15:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F07F16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:15:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0E743D1D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:15:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1FCF8j49169; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Maicon Stihler" , Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:15:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <67f5afb90502141017bf2e58a@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: problem with GCC search path on FreeBSD5.3 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:15:11 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Maicon Stihler > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:18 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: problem with GCC search path on FreeBSD5.3 AMD64 > > > Hi, > > I installed FreeBSD 5.3 for AMD64 on my computer following the > standard procedure. To my surprise, when I tried to compile new > packages I find out that /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include wasnt > on gcc's search path. As a workaround I compiled the packages with > CFLAGS="-B /usr/local/lib -I/usr/local/include". > > As far as I know, and the gcc info pages seems to agree, these too > directories should be in the default search path. > this isn't a gcc problem. > Is someone else experiencing this same problem? > Is there a way to add these directories to the default path without > resorting to these env variables or runtime switches? > ldconfig However, most packages use the -R and -L flags to the linker if they are linking to a shared library in /usr/local/lib because not all UNIX systems provide a ldconfig-type utility, and it is more portable to hard code it. Note that if your generating a library, don't use either of these flags. Libraries that depend on other dynamic libraries (such as openssl's libraries that can be linked to zlib) at runtime should confine themselves to only linking to libraries in /usr/lib (or build static) There are pros and cons to using the hints file that ldconfig generates vs compiling in the runtime location of the libraries. Neither is better than the other. Another trick used is to softlink the library from /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib The LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable should never be used except for testing Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:18:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFE016A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:18:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from python.netsource.ie (python.netsource.ie [212.17.32.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37A443D48 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:18:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from domain.admin@online.ie) Received: from web2.www.online.ie (www.online.ie [213.159.130.72] (may be forged)) by python.netsource.ie (8.12.3/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FCI8HV016789 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:18:09 GMT Received: (from nobody@localhost)freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:18:08 GMT Received: from 194-152-247-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr (194-152-247-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr [194.152.247.50]) by mail.online.ie (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:18:08 +0100 Message-ID: <1108469888.4211e880197ca@mail.online.ie> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:18:08 +0100 From: Hiram Abiff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 194.152.247.50 X-CanItPRO-Stream: webmail X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 4805344 - fda6c833e15a X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 212.17.32.57 Subject: Operation: "ipfw on a gateway box" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:18:11 -0000 I followed your advice and rewrote my firewall rules. Although, even now, there are some major difficulties. I still, can't acces the net from my 2 other computers via my FreeBSD firewalled gateway. Although I set up on it to allow traffic on ports 21, 22, 53, 8080 I can only telent to port 21, all the others report a "connection refused" error. I can ping the FreeBSD box, but i cannot ping any outside IP addresseses from the FreeBSD box or the other boxes on my home LAN. Also when FreeBSD is booting I caught some error messages that said unknow command "setup" for some of my firewall rules. I'm getting desperate please assist me in any way possible. Here's my fwrules file: > fwcmd="/sbin/ipfw" > > > #Outside interface > oif="tun0" > > > #Inside interface > iif="rl0" > > > # Force a flushing of the current rules before reload > $fwcmd -f flush > > > #Check the state of all packets > $fwcmd add check-state > > > #Divert all packets through the tunnel interface. > $fwcmd add divert natd ip from any to any via $oif > > > # Allow all data from my network card and localhost > $fwcmd add allow all from any to any via lo0 > $fwcmd add allow ip from any to any via $iif > > # Allow all connections that I initiate > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any out xmit $oif setup > > > # Once connections are made, allow them to stay open > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any via $oif established > > > # Everyone on the internet is allowed to connect > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 22 setup > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 21 setup > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 8080 setup > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 53 setup > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 4662 setup > $fwcmd add allow udp from any to any 4672 setup > > > # This sends a RESET to all ident packets > $fwcmd add reset log tcp from any to any 113 in recv $oif > > > # Allow outgoing DNS queries ONLY to the specified servers > > > $fwcmd add allow udp from any to 161.53.114.135 53 out xmit tun0 > $fwcmd add allow udp from any to 161.53.114.145 53 out xmit tun0 > > > # Allow them back in with the answers > > > $fwcmd add allow udp from 161.53.114.135 53 to any in recv $oif > $fwcmd add allow udp from 161.53.114.145 53 to any in recv $oif > > > # Allow ICMP > $fwcmd add 65435 allow icmp from any to any > > > # Deny all the rest. > #$fwcmd add 65435 deny log ip from any to any -- "It was as though a veil had been rent. I saw on that ivory face the expression of sombre pride, of ruthless power, of craven terror -- of an intense and hopeless despair. Did he live his life again in every detail of desire, temptation, and surrender during that supreme moment of complete knowledge?" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:18:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA07416A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:18:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.bitdefender.com (ns.bitdefender.com [217.156.83.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D3D043D45 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:18:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from apircalabu@bitdefender.com) Received: (qmail 24715 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 12:19:16 -0000 Received: from apircalabu.dsd.ro (10.10.15.22) by mail.dsd.ro with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 12:19:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:21:55 +0200 From: Adi Pircalabu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050215142155.53b83200@apircalabu.dsd.ro> In-Reply-To: References: <20050215121454.2be41735@apircalabu.dsd.ro> Organization: BitDefender X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BitDefender-SpamStamp: 1.1.3 036000040111AAAAAAE X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender Qmail 1.6.1 on mail.dsd.ro X-BitDefender-Spam: No (0) Subject: OT - (was Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:18:56 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:58:01 -0800 "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > Once you can figure out how to program the FreeBSD mailservers to > determine exactly which incoming message is spam that needs to be > dropped, and > which is a legitimate message that is just perhaps misspelled and > needs to be returned to the sender, your life wouldn't be worth a > plugged nickel because every spammer on the face of the Earth would > be gunning for you. ;-) Well :) let's put it in terms of cost: what's the cost of losing a misspelled legitimate mail vs. the cost of bouncing ALL misspelled mails which include virii and spam? This is quite a dilema, but I tend to reduce the costs by dropping few legitimate mails instead of bouncing them together with many other bad ones. -- Adrian Pircalabu Public KeyID = 0x04329F5E -- This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender. For more information please visit http://linux.bitdefender.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:23:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEE116A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:23:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C403243D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:23:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simonas.kareiva@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so836159rnf for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:23:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MZMvYrM7nR+OHLuECCnOdjtP4CysDjMYrI2L73ZL9HmNYE3FKAG2DeEtePJ5meeMHTwwyBY62mvKnyYSXf+P3MYqf4h1IQ8FyjFKP7VZXRC+LOfF81aHYdjybtP/CUZ5tKmZsUi2//7XVOYVfYMLxoFAJcSfUuVVhcHCH7uZ+MQ= Received: by 10.38.11.56 with SMTP id 56mr83109rnk; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.70.31 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:23:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6035a596050215042329e9c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:23:11 +0200 From: Simonas Kareiva To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NFS hangs on 5.3-RELEASE-p5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Simonas Kareiva List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:23:13 -0000 Good evening, We have a problematic FreeBSD box, which acts as nfs server and runs 5.3-RELEASE-p5 on an i386 AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (in a 32-bit mode). The purpose of the box is to supply another FreeBSD (5.2.1-RC) ftp server with more disk space. As of -p5, we have src/usr.sbin/nfsd/nfsd.c,v 1.30 2004/08/07 04:27:52. Average system load is about 2,5. The problem is, that the nfs server hangs after running for a while, like, 20 minutes. Any file operations (at the nfs mount points and below) hang on the ftp server too, making it inaccessible. The nfsd processes on the nfs server do not respond to any signals sent by `kill`, so only a reboot of the system is a temporary solution. We have ACPI enabled, NMBCLUSTERS set to 65535, SMP, debug.mpsafenet=0 and also some kern.ipc.* customizations which, as we assume, do not affect the behavior of nfsd. Everything is served via 3COM 3C940 single port, 1000baseT adapter (device sk). The whole dmesg is available at http://webart.lt/~molotov/dmesg Some file operations on the nfs server cause system panic. I didn't debug anything, because I do not have much experience in it, but I could try to do it by a request from anyone, who is willing to help. The strace utility shows that no system calls are performed by any of nfsd processes while they are inoperative. Any help or comments would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Simonas Kareiva From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:28:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D8616A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:28:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from valua.is.lt (valua.is.lt [193.219.14.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24C743D5F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:28:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Edvardas@togilas.lt) Received: from yranga ([193.219.14.222]) by valua.is.lt (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j1FCSQj5001290 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:28:29 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from Edvardas@togilas.lt) From: "Edvardas Butrimas" To: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:28:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Scanner-Information: Contact the antivirus@is.lt for more information X-Scanner: Clean Subject: pagedaemon sometimes eat CPU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:28:38 -0000 Why pagedaemon somtimes eat CPU (about 1-3 minute)? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:30:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA7F16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:30:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a.mx.studio4plus.com (pe78.opole.sdi.tpnet.pl [217.96.240.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD1343D45 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:30:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcin@studio4plus.com) Received: from [81.190.220.150] (helo=simon) by a.mx.studio4plus.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1D11qW-0004d4-D5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:30:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:30:27 +0100 From: Marcin Simonides To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050215123027.GA587@simon> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050214225336.GA14062@simon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20050214225336.GA14062@simon> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Boot manager doesn't boot (solved) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:30:31 -0000 14 Lut 2005 (Poniedzia³ek) o 23:53 (+0100) Marcin Simonides napisa³(a): > In the few recent months I've been having problems with the standard > FreeBSD bootmanager: instead of booting some systems it would just beep > and do nothing. [...] Ok, in my case setting the "packet" option for the bootmanager solved the problem. I guess it's something to do with geometry perhaps? Well I need read about that :) -- marcin@studio4plus.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:41:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01B316A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:41:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.insoftosra.it (host-34-67.noicomnet.it [81.92.34.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 12A8543D53 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:40:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from davide@sito.it) Received: (qmail 18927 invoked by uid 507); 15 Feb 2005 12:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davide) (81.92.34.66) by 0 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 12:42:31 -0000 Message-ID: <003a01c5135b$95141480$6601a8c0@insoft.it> From: "Davide Lemma" To: "bsdnooby" , , References: <4211A593.5010509@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:40:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: All your laptops are belong to Windows. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Davide Lemma List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:41:03 -0000 I'm in a situation similar to you... I've just purchased a Medion SIM2000, it boots up but I've also some troubles with sound & modem. Here the strange problem is that the sound card is a AC97 ALS (SiS7012) and it just outputs from headphone and the modem is a SiS7013 (Intel Winmodem) that isn't in the ports tree (while there is the LT winmodem). For the Video Card with some trick I was able to get a full 16:9 resolution like in windows but without DRI (this is an Xorg problem). Above all I'm almost surprised because I know the difficulty to work with a laptop & unix. I've tried Fedora Core 3 & Debian III but it gives me an error during boot (acpi error). So like a BSD users I feel above all lucky enough. The only suggestion I feel to give you is to wait the awake of 6.0 because it will have many changes in ACPI calls. I'm waiting too to have some tricks about my sound card :) bye Davide ----- Original Message ----- From: "bsdnooby" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: All your laptops are belong to Windows. > > I'm defeated. The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it turns off > my laptop. > > When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new I'm blue.HP Pavilion laptop > turns itself off. It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or floppies. > There is no error log since it just shuts off after I choose to load a > kernel. I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not help. I > believe I tried all the kernel options available from the menu on 5.x. > > The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB HD, > 15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN. I purchased it from Best Buy. > > Under Windows, it appears Hyper-Threading is turned on, and I have not > found a way to turn it off inside the CMOS. > > The machine runs Windows XP Pro fine, but I am trying to switch to FreeBSD > on all my boxen. I was really surprised to find this one abruptly > shutdown when trying to do the install. It turns off before the install > really starts, so I do not have much information to solve this problem. > The HD is never touched. > > I'm blue. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:43:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1563016A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:43:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8136B43D4C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:43:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1FChhj49299; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:43:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Matt Emmerton" , "Adi Pircalabu" , Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:43:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <009001c51356$c5bbc6a0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:43:55 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Emmerton [mailto:matt@gsicomp.on.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:06 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Adi Pircalabu; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! > > > > > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:17 -0800 > > > "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > > > > > > > A spammer is forging several of SORBS spamtrap e-mail > > > > addresses on their outgoing spams. The spams hit freebsd.org > > > > which of course is bouncing them back to the sender, which > > > > is in this case is the spamtrap e-mail addresses. This > > > > triggers the SORBS autolisting. > > > > > > Well, in this case, how about avoiding bounces completely? > > Better yet, why doesn't SORBS clean up it's act and only > accept bounces for > messages that were sent by their systems? SORBS doesen't send messages. Your thinking of ORBS which probes submitted mailservers to detect relaying. SORBS is like most other blacklists in that it uses spamtraps. The solution is for SORBS to determine which ones of their spamtrap e-mail addresses is being forged, then replace them with different spamtraps. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 12:56:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E405016A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:56:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nagual.st (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [217.122.132.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE1543D1D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:56:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.st) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by nagual.st with local; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:56:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:56:06 +0100 To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <20050215125606.GA6205@lothlorien.nagual.st> References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> <20050215065354.GA91679@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <4211A714.50807@open-networks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4211A714.50807@open-networks.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i From: Dick Hoogendijk Subject: Re: Anthony X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:56:08 -0000 On 15 Feb Timothy Smith wrote: > Stijn Hoop wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:34:24AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > > >>MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than > >>almost any other browser. Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera > >>much less so. > > > >Thank you for giving me another reason to killfile you again, after > >you resurfaced without your vanity domain. You clearly don't know > >jack about the things you write. Maybe you could write some code > >instead of exploding the lists with drivel. > > > >*plonk* > > > hah well said sir I think most of the time Anthony *does* know what he writes about but does not care enough to be honoust about *all* the facts. In Holland we also had a person like him -silent for quite some time now- polluting a list with propaganda and twisted truths about windows/linux things. Discussion will *never* silence such a person, nor will polite questions do the trick. They feed on response. The only way we got rid of this person was to *totally* ignore everything he wrote about. *Everything*! It took quite a while before everybody understood this to be the way to go. As long as people keep on responding, Anthony's will florish.. As he once said (one of the things I agree about): a killfile is no solution; it's the easy way out; a bit childish even ;-) -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:03:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F1216A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:03:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6555D43D54 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:03:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6829A3585DB for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:03:22 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <16113082.20050215014337@wanadoo.fr> References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <1587470376.20050215001857@wanadoo.fr> <16113082.20050215014337@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <42a56a568660fc06de1b0e70bf9b7deb@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:03:24 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:03:25 -0000 On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > >> Well, no that's not entirely true...First off, there's the claim by >> Windows itself that it's not drivers. > > The OS itself never identifies problems as being within the drivers. > Driver code is assimilated with the kernel while it is running. > >> You've read the code (as you say) and know that Windows wouldn't >> possibly lie about the fact that it's not the drivers. > > Sure it would. Most error messages are generic; few programmers are > conscientious enough to put in extremely detailed and specific error > messages. And in some cases the OS doesn't really know what happened, > especially for faults in the kernel (or the drivers, which are > assimilated with the kernel, as I've said). > >> And then there's the thing where since one is including drivers along >> with an operating system, they are part of the operating system even >> if they were written by a third party. > > They are not part of the operating system. You spend a lot of time arguing...Let's look at it this way. "It's not part of the OS!" Fine. Will MS let me buy just the kernel? Didn't think so. It's all or nothing. While that's the technical way of looking at it (not part of the OS) they ARE part of the distribution, and for practicality's sake, and for the definition of any reasonable person, they ARE part of the OS. If it comes with the average CD installation, it's part of the OS. I don't hunt the @#$$% driver down, I don't run a separate installer, I don't jump through hoops to install it, the OS detects the device and installs the driver then for all purposes of the rest of the sane Earth it's "part of the OS". Why? I bought Windows, I installed it, and it installed the d!@%^ driver without intervention. Extend it a little more, even MS argued that Internet Explorer was part of the operating system and could not be unbundled. For their product definition, it was part of the OS. Technically, it was not. Practically, it was. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:08:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2819B16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:08:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.x9media.com (mail.x9media.com [81.209.147.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFFE43D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:08:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thomas.may@x9media.com) X-AuthUser: thomas.may@x9media.com Received: from thomas (145.253.97.166:2040) by mail.x9media.com with [XMail 1.20 ESMTP Server] ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:25:06 +0100 From: "Thomas May" To: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:08:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcUTX1JSCvWqo80UTMKLtnp4mwA9ww== Message-Id: <20050215130807.3EFFE43D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: freebsd vpn tunnel with two subnets on one site X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:08:08 -0000 Hi, i have created a vpn tunnel between two freebsd 5.3 machines with ipsec and racoon. Iam routing two private networks behind the vpn gateways over the internet. Its working fine. 192.168.0.0 / 24 | | VPN Gateway 1 | | Internet | | VPN Gateway 2 | | 192.168.1.0 / 24 If I now want to add a new network on one site for example 192.168.2.0 / 24, how can I do this ? Is this a routing problem, or is ipsec limited to route only one network ? Thanx for your answers . From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:20:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DB216A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:20:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alpargata.net (alpargata.net [67.18.172.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD27843D54 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:20:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl081-061-217.dsl-isp.net [64.81.61.217] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by alpargata.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FDj7Oa040585 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:45:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050215062758.C523816A4D4@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050215062758.C523816A4D4@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4AD4D76B-7F54-11D9-B357-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Vonleigh Simmons Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:19:59 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/624/Thu Dec 9 13:01:06 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on alpargata.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:20:13 -0000 > MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost > any other browser. Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less > so. You are _definitely_ not a web designer. MSIE is _hell_ with standards compliance. Mozilla is the best, followed by Opera, KHTML/Safari is also up there; MSIE is the _worst_ and has several glaring errors when it comes to supporting standards. It botches: * The box model. * Transparent PNGs. * Position: Fixed. etc. > Webmasters should probably be replaced if they design an open Web site > for any _specific_ browser. Internal web sites are a different story. In an ideal world. But in the real world you have to build your site using standards compliance, then do tricks to make it work in explorer. Don't believe? look through my website code. Or even look at the variety of projects and tutorials dedicated to getting around the flaws in explorer. An example: Vonleigh Simmons From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:26:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3E116A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:26:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C892B43D48 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:26:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDE43586FD for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:26:05 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <762166945.20050215064015@wanadoo.fr> References: <77803d5ce17805187218b4cdfb6cc83d@HiWAAY.net> <762166945.20050215064015@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:26:07 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:26:07 -0000 On Feb 15, 2005, at 12:40 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Microsoft doesn't understand servers very well. Most people at > Microsoft grew up using microcomputers, and that's all they know (sound > familiar?). They truly have no idea of some of the constraints that > apply to the server world. As a result, they don't build ideal server > software. The closest they've come has been with the early versions of > Windows NT, which had a very solid kernel. "They" were an outside team that worked on VMS. "They" started NT before Windows became a marketing drone's dream. The Windows subsystem became the default subsystem after Windows 3.x took off. Originally it wasn't going to have a GUI. > A GUI always detracts from a server's function. Nobody is sitting in > front of a server, Three of ours are sitting right behind me. > That has never been an objective of Microsoft. Their servers have > elaborate GUIs because the operating systems come from the desktop > world, and won't function without a GUI. They have GUIs because they thought it was easier to market. They have GUIs because they're easier for novices to use as servers. They have GUIs because MS started trying to market "servers" to the workgroup and not corporate markets. They have GUIs because NT was a new kid on the block, people were familiar with Windows, and they were able to help marketing-wise slip some sales in because it was a lower learning curve. They have GUIs because believe it or not, sometimes you don't need the strict definition of a "Server" in order to serve files to a couple other computers in your home network and that "Server" can, in fact, do double duty. > One of the most serious criticisms made of Windows in the server world > is that you cannot run a Windows server without a GUI, and remote > administration is an unbelievably awkward nightmare. That's two criticisms, and at this point, I really think most people don't give a rat's behind about the GUI in a server, since the OS should be paging out unused pages to swap if the server settles down. Remote administration sucks, yes I'd agree. You have to jump through hoops to find decent tools for reigning in Windows in many situations. > >> Apple is smart enough to pull it off ... > > Apple has no advantage over Microsoft in this respect. They are > locking > their own OS into a GUI, too. But they probably realize that their > future is in desktops, not servers. That surely explains their sales of XServes and RAID servers. Don't want the GUI, then install Darwin. Want GUI and remote admin/monitoring tools, use OS X Server. Don't log into it, and it'll swap out most of the "GUI" stuff to disk. >> ... but all Microsoft has done is continue to guarantee employment for >> MSCE's who continue to exclusively recommend any and everything >> Microsoft who in turn continually ensures these champions stay >> employed. > > As I've said, Microsoft doesn't care about employment of MCSEs. They most certainly profit from MCSEs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:27:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC1316A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:27:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EAE643D54 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:27:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from emanuel.strobl@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2005 13:27:31 -0000 Received: from flb.schmalzbauer.de (EHLO cale.flintsbach.schmalzbauer.de) (62.245.232.135) by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 14:27:31 +0100 X-Authenticated: #301138 From: Emanuel Strobl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, dgw@liwest.at Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:27:20 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> In-Reply-To: <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> X-Birthday: 10/06/72 X-CelPhone: +49 173 9967781 X-Tel: +49 89 18947781 X-Country: Germany X-Address: Munich, 80686 X-OS: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3785422.S4pZehzKVg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502151427.25443@harrymail> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 cc: Alin-Adrian Anton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:27:33 -0000 --nextPart3785422.S4pZehzKVg Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Am Samstag, 12. Februar 2005 16:05 schrieb Daniela: > On Friday 11 February 2005 21:27, Alin-Adrian Anton wrote: > > Daniela wrote: > > > I have two NICs (one inside and one outside interface) with NAT > > > activated. The problem is that every time I establish a connection with > > > a machine on my LAN, it uses the address of the outside interface as > > > the source of the packets, which creates problems with my firewall. How > > > do I tell my machine to use the other address whenever I connect to a > > > local machine? > > > > > > Daniela > > > > Hi Daniela, > > > > Can you please be more specific? You mean this happens when you are > > connecting from inside intranet to some other point inside intranet? > > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a > router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to > another LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another > point in the intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not > 10.0.0.1, which is the intranet IP of the router. > In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every outgoing > connection where the destination is inside my intranet. It's easy if your doing NAT with PF or IPF, something like: nat pass on $o_if from $localnet to !$otherlocal_net -> $oif_addr is what you want. -Harry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --nextPart3785422.S4pZehzKVg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCEfi9Bylq0S4AzzwRAn2OAJkBD93yeiVDsl1ZiaZwRTl+BrXHdQCfeO4r 5ZysMswsFZV+N/cna7lta9c= =JckO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3785422.S4pZehzKVg-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:27:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEEC16A4CF for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:27:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07C0943D53 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:27:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from emanuel.strobl@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2005 13:27:31 -0000 Received: from flb.schmalzbauer.de (EHLO cale.flintsbach.schmalzbauer.de) (62.245.232.135) by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 14:27:31 +0100 X-Authenticated: #301138 From: Emanuel Strobl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, dgw@liwest.at Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:27:20 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502112206.43267.dgw@liwest.at> <420D2348.4020408@spintech.ro> <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> In-Reply-To: <200502121505.20754.dgw@liwest.at> X-Birthday: 10/06/72 X-CelPhone: +49 173 9967781 X-Tel: +49 89 18947781 X-Country: Germany X-Address: Munich, 80686 X-OS: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3785422.S4pZehzKVg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502151427.25443@harrymail> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 cc: Alin-Adrian Anton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:27:33 -0000 --nextPart3785422.S4pZehzKVg Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Am Samstag, 12. Februar 2005 16:05 schrieb Daniela: > On Friday 11 February 2005 21:27, Alin-Adrian Anton wrote: > > Daniela wrote: > > > I have two NICs (one inside and one outside interface) with NAT > > > activated. The problem is that every time I establish a connection with > > > a machine on my LAN, it uses the address of the outside interface as > > > the source of the packets, which creates problems with my firewall. How > > > do I tell my machine to use the other address whenever I connect to a > > > local machine? > > > > > > Daniela > > > > Hi Daniela, > > > > Can you please be more specific? You mean this happens when you are > > connecting from inside intranet to some other point inside intranet? > > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a > router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to > another LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another > point in the intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not > 10.0.0.1, which is the intranet IP of the router. > In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every outgoing > connection where the destination is inside my intranet. It's easy if your doing NAT with PF or IPF, something like: nat pass on $o_if from $localnet to !$otherlocal_net -> $oif_addr is what you want. -Harry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --nextPart3785422.S4pZehzKVg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCEfi9Bylq0S4AzzwRAn2OAJkBD93yeiVDsl1ZiaZwRTl+BrXHdQCfeO4r 5ZysMswsFZV+N/cna7lta9c= =JckO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3785422.S4pZehzKVg-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 11:59:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D261516A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:59:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B35543D53 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:59:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lotto.kim@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1987619wri for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:59:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=peEkK1IKrLopd7BEotPce9LZ8vryMDU1Y7byNR8Fq0t4PWF0exYLNTP42XNUPCpWUM6iHKKuwnLlRUpR+EwzYGalS/GbufOsfQyUG4K8kCFw054lBxw0Kgvy+wKRnvoShjLK6a/EWkPe6PdCn4CUxQdzKUMxyS/yueM4xO5pJJE= Received: by 10.54.47.74 with SMTP id u74mr17915wru; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.54 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:59:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45680d1e0502150359429660bc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:59:11 +0100 From: Kim johansen To: Oliver Leitner In-Reply-To: <20050215112926.D60BF43D39@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <45680d1e050215022352d5cd9d@mail.gmail.com> <20050215111618.1296343D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <45680d1e05021503215fef5cdb@mail.gmail.com> <20050215112926.D60BF43D39@mx1.FreeBSD.org> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:28:03 +0000 Subject: Re: sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kim johansen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:59:15 -0000 yes, also when i ping my ip. i cant find any sendmail.mc file. i find freebsd.mc and freebsd.submit.mc, somone of them you want? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:40:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8007116A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:40:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD6A243D41 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:40:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 13:40:04 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:40:04 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <06433BF9-7EF5-11D9-B134-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> <8310509120.20050215063232@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <8310509120.20050215063232@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502150540.04787.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:40:05 -0000 On Monday 14 February 2005 09:32 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > > You can say all you want. > > Thank you. I feel better about it knowing that it's okay with you. > > > Every professional designer I have ever talked with lamented the > > poor state of standards conformance of IE for Windows. > > They probably never actually tested the browser. > > > And they could document it. > > Excellent ... where can I find a copy of their documentation? > > > MS only has compatibility with itself, and that is it. > > It interprets HTML correctly according to W3C standards, and it > handles CSS correctly as well. What other compatibility do you > require? > > You can find test suites here: > > http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/ (HTML4) > http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/ (CSS) > > > And since it is the 800lb gorilla, they think they can basically do > > whatever they want. > > They know that some criticism of what they do has no basis in fact, > and that people without emotional investment in a hatred of Microsoft > may actually check the facts and invalidate the criticisms. > > > People I highly respect have done lots of tests of browsers with > > the standard and conformance to the W3C standards suites and IE > > Windows does not do that well. > > I've done the tests myself, instead of believing what others say, and > MSIE does fine. The URLs are above. I worked as a professional web developer and designer from 1996-2002. You have no idea what you're talking about. Not only have I done the tests, I've worked with it for a living. Knowing whether it was compliant was part of my job. A huge part of my job was spent hacking existing sites that were perfectly compliant as written so that they would work properly in IE. Talk to *any* web developer, and they'll tell you the same thing. MSIE at one time was getting better with compliance (around when NS 4.7 was the most popular, a horrible time for compliance in general), but it still wasn't very compliant, and the spec has changed since they last updated it years ago. MSIE's CSS2 support is pathetic, and CSS isn't very good as it is. It allows - and encourages - sloppy markup. They need to do more than push out security fixes. - jt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:43:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC6A16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:43:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4584243D3F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:43:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (net4801-2 [192.168.254.1]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBF94AC9A; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:39:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:39:46 +0100 From: cpghost@cordula.ws To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20050215133946.GB56849@fw.farid-hajji.net> References: <009001c51356$c5bbc6a0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Adi Pircalabu cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:43:48 -0000 On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:43:42AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > The solution is for SORBS to determine which ones of their spamtrap > e-mail addresses is being forged, then replace them with different > spamtraps. This, and keeping a record of IP addresses that were already listed in error once (some kind of grey/whitelist). Each time a grey/whitelisted address is scheduled for auto-listing, a script or even a human should have a look at this before relisting it again. This wouldn't prevent them from initial mistakes, but it would help reduce the kind of DoS attacks they are being subject to right now. > Ted -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:44:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D990F16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.chrononomicon.com (chrononomicon.com [216.37.143.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CFF43D55 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.42]) by mail.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966933587F3; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:44:30 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20050215125606.GA6205@lothlorien.nagual.st> References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> <20050215065354.GA91679@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <4211A714.50807@open-networks.net> <20050215125606.GA6205@lothlorien.nagual.st> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <78bd24bb4221526b8dd6efe49cbf9da9@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:44:33 -0500 To: Dick Hoogendijk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Anthony X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:34 -0000 On Feb 15, 2005, at 7:56 AM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > On 15 Feb Timothy Smith wrote: >> Stijn Hoop wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:34:24AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >>> >>>> MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than >>>> almost any other browser. Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera >>>> much less so. >>> >>> Thank you for giving me another reason to killfile you again, after >>> you resurfaced without your vanity domain. You clearly don't know >>> jack about the things you write. Maybe you could write some code >>> instead of exploding the lists with drivel. >>> >>> *plonk* >>> >> hah well said sir > > I think most of the time Anthony *does* know what he writes about but > does not care enough to be honoust about *all* the facts. In Holland we > also had a person like him -silent for quite some time now- polluting > a list with propaganda and twisted truths about windows/linux things. > > Discussion will *never* silence such a person, nor will polite > questions > do the trick. They feed on response. The only way we got rid of this > person was to *totally* ignore everything he wrote about. *Everything*! > It took quite a while before everybody understood this to be the way to > go. As long as people keep on responding, Anthony's will florish.. The problem with that is that the propaganda will be picked up by Google caches and the like; people that know enough to search for answers and and starting out trying to learn the ropes start finding the drivel and lies and if no one responds, by nature, people tend to believe the crap. "No one offered a counter to it...." :-/ These events also show the personality of the cult in which new people are starting to dip their toes into. I can't count the number of people I've read accounts from saying that they were turned off to Linux a couple of times simply because the "help" was to go to IRC or newsgroups, and the people there were childish monsters. Here is a list forum that has attracted people with FreeBSD questions (technical questions, general questions...I see it listed on the reply as just questions and not tech-questions) and some of these side discussions are now being met with listmoms demanding it be moved to -discussion (if it's supposed to be strict, wouldn't this forum be to ask questions and discussion be to get answers?). If the list starts getting really negative, other people will be turned off to it. (All this talk about logo/mascot contests...why would people WANT to get involved for "marketing" it if the people that usually help new people or people having trouble turn sour at others when they could opt just to ignore it?). Sometimes the discussion DOES still help people. One person commented that they thought the Ernie Ball story was interesting. I had assumed people involved in using OSS or have to "market" it to their bosses would have found that information years ago already. Eventually people probably will get so sick of it they just stop replying. As I said early on to Anthony, he didn't hear what he wants to hear, so there's no point in answering him. Sorry, no photoshop for FreeBSD, and if that's the only kind of criticism you have, there's nothing we can do about it. Go away then. But he continued to post about things that can mislead other people. Yes, I'm guilty of feeding him too at the moment...I've worked hard at learning FreeBSD and Linux, and when people rip at it with information that is inaccurate, I don't want others to find that and think it's gospel truth. It's just an OS but I've "wasted" a good portion of my life trying to learn the ropes of it and introducing it to my workplace, and I know what it's like to run into people with these kind of attitudes and I know that I've personally found ways that for me (and for what the majority of other people do) there *are* workarounds and alternatives available to them. Anthony comes off as the type of person that already has his mind set and what he's hoping to accomplish here I don't know... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:45:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A9D16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:45:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alpargata.net (alpargata.net [67.18.172.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0360E43D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:45:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl081-061-217.dsl-isp.net [64.81.61.217] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by alpargata.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FEAJ96048652 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:10:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050215062758.C523816A4D4@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050215062758.C523816A4D4@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Vonleigh Simmons Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:45:12 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/624/Thu Dec 9 13:01:06 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on alpargata.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:45:20 -0000 >> no they did and could point out specific problems and likely >> intentional changes. > > Where can I see a list of these? Here are just a few: A very basic one is the box model problem. Basically if you define the width of a box to be 100 pixels, and you put in a padding of 10 pixels, the total box size should be 120 pixels (100 pixels plus the 10 pixels on each side for the padding). However, explorer decided to take the width as the total size, so in the above example the box is only 100 pixels wide instead of 120. It would be ridiculously easy to fix it and behave as the standard dictates, however, they refuse to do it. This is a major problem and can completely destroy a design. Another major thing that would be easy to fix is the handling of transparent pings. This would allow great versatility in site design, and many times I would've loved to use it. What Explorer does however is not just disregard the transparency, which would make it workable, but puts a light blue background behind the whole transparent image; a behaviour that makes no sense. Not only that, using proprietary IE code is the only way to make transparency work, and it doesn't work with repeating images (so the code is there to make it work, they just make you use IE only code for it to work). And these are just a few examples, on every single site I've designed I've run into new issues. Explorer is the worst browser when it comes to standards compliance, I have spent too many hours hacking up my code that works beautifully in every other browser, just so it works in Explorer. > It did better than any other overall. Next time STFW (really, google turns up many pages describing problems web designers have with IE), or at least don't talk about something you have no idea about. Vonleigh Simmons From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:48:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8D216A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:48:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0C743D64 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:48:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rpratt1950@earthlink.net) Received: from [204.215.32.27] (helo=kt.weeble.com) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D133v-0007Ae-66 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:48:23 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CE1c7b5f33jxsQeRhdrUDps+fUEq2R3rd0VX0LGT3o57JEKxN/sIlsj/Xx9V9rHv; Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:48:18 -0500 From: Randy Pratt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050215084818.2f8b8dd5.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 96132b9c1759af1df21c5f5255d6c174239a348a220c260962b205b4398608e4e639220357677a6fa8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 204.215.32.27 Subject: FreeBSD motherboard survey site disappeared X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:48:24 -0000 There was a site collecting information about motherboards. It was at: http://www.eilio.com/freebsd-motherboards/ It seems to be gone along with all the information that was collected. For reference, this was the original list mail that started the project: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20031121094707.G89525 Anyone know where the site went or the whereabouts of the site's owner ( Philip Hallstrom )? Thanks, Randy -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 13:48:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4784416A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:48:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.3.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A4D43D5A for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:48:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: by kweetal.tue.nl (Postfix, from userid 40) id DB85A13B6A2; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:48:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by kweetal.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF6313B694; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:48:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (from stijn@localhost) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1FDmj21031773; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:48:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stijn) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:48:45 +0100 From: Stijn Hoop To: Dick Hoogendijk Message-ID: <20050215134845.GJ54011@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Stijn Hoop , Dick Hoogendijk , freebsd-questions References: <20050213152331.2B00E16A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> <1722947768.20050215023424@wanadoo.fr> <20050215065354.GA91679@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <4211A714.50807@open-networks.net> <20050215125606.GA6205@lothlorien.nagual.st> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+B+y8wtTXqdUj1xM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050215125606.GA6205@lothlorien.nagual.st> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on kweetal.tue.nl X-Spam-DCC: : X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=6.3 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Anthony X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:48:48 -0000 --+B+y8wtTXqdUj1xM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 01:56:06PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > I think most of the time Anthony *does* know what he writes about He certainly know more about some subjects than I do, I will not dispute that. However in all these e-mails I've never seen him back off once on subjects that I *do* know, even when faced with overwhelming evidence that contradict his 'facts'. > Discussion will *never* silence such a person, nor will polite questions > do the trick. They feed on response. The only way we got rid of this > person was to *totally* ignore everything he wrote about. *Everything*! > It took quite a while before everybody understood this to be the way to > go. As long as people keep on responding, Anthony's will florish.. >=20 > As he once said (one of the things I agree about): a killfile is no > solution; it's the easy way out; a bit childish even ;-) It is a bit childish; that's why he currently is the *only* person whose mail goes directly to /dev/null. I had actually given him the benefit of the doubt; this is my second encounter with a person named 'Anthony Atkielski' on this list (given the name I presume it's the same one), and it's not pretty _for the second time_. Reasoning wouldn't work the first time, and I can certainly ignore a lot of e-mail that I get from him or others, but I do get a bit upset when a person simply misstates the facts and will not back down (IE better at standards support being just one of said facts). I agree that response is what keeps these threads alive, and I know that I'm contributing once again to the flames. However I'm still hoping that Anthony will stop writing e-mails and start writing code or documentation, or maybe triage bugs, or *anything* else that benefits the FreeBSD project more than bickering about logo's, other OS's, and desktops, and who 'is right' in one situation vs another. Actually *doing* things is pretty satisfying too, you know. In any case, this is my last public e-mail on the subject. --Stijn --=20 Beware of he who would deny you access to information. For in his heart he thinks himself your master. -- Sid Meier, "Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri" --+B+y8wtTXqdUj1xM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEf29Y3r/tLQmfWcRAudVAKCCP/j84ccBP0Ro9wfmcuEoVrFrlACeLPt5 0XT/lInqOwuSb1TCnqP50zQ= =9VAn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+B+y8wtTXqdUj1xM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:02:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F62416A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:02:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from etustar.ze.tum.de (etustar.ze.tum.de [129.187.39.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C445C43D41 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:02:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from estartu@etustar.ze.tum.de) Received: from etustar.ze.tum.de (estartu@localhost.ze.tu-muenchen.de [127.0.0.1]) by etustar.ze.tum.de (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1FE2Csg065883; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:02:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu@etustar.ze.tum.de) Received: (from estartu@localhost) by etustar.ze.tum.de (8.13.1/8.12.11/Submit) id j1FE2Bbl065882; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:02:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:02:11 +0100 From: Gerhard Schmidt To: "Michael C. Shultz" Message-ID: <20050215140211.GB95997@augusta.de> References: <200501271852.j0RIqQ9t010411@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200502131642.59595.ean@hedron.org> <04e901c51217$c3d5e590$7702a8c0@officeeagle> <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502131815.21142.reso3w83@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:02:14 -0000 --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 06:15:18PM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote: > On Sunday 13 February 2005 02:02 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ean Kingston" > > To: > > Cc: "Paul Schmehl" > > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:42 PM > > Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff > > > > > I stopped using portupgrade because it only upgrades ports that are > > > out-of date. It then modifies the installed software database to > > > change any dependencies that relied on the old port to show them as > > > relying on the new > > > port. > > > > > > For most ports, this works. For Perl, particularly mod_perl, this > > > doesn't work. If you install a new perl you have to rebuild > > > everything that depends > > > on perl even if it hasn't been updated. > > > > > > So I stopped using portupgrade. > > > > Wouldn't it make more sense to fix mod_perl? (Or portupgrade - > > whichever one is the culprit?) All the ports that depended upon perl > > appear to have had their dependencies updated properly except for > > libwww and mod_perl. ISTM, fixing those two ports makes more sense. > > > > If you don't use portupgrade, then what *do* you do? Wouldn't you > > have to deinstall and reinstall every port that depended upon perl?=20 > > Or will pkgdb -F do the trick? >=20 > Pkgdb -F is what screws up the installed ports registry. Here is an=20 > example of what happens: >=20 > 1. port-A needs dependency port-B installed > 2. port-B is installed > 3. port-A is installed and marks its registry as being dependent on=20 > port-B >=20 > and here is where things go wrong using sysutils/portupgrade: >=20 > 4. port-B gets upgraded to port-B.1 and portupgrade reports port-A > has a stale dependency. >=20 > Then you run pkgdb -F and port-A's registry is changed to say it was=20 > built with port-B.1, portupgrade claims this "fixes" the registry when=20 > it really breaks it. >=20 > Remember, port-A was built with port-B, not port-B.1 and the correct way= =20 > to "fix" the stale dependency is to upgrade port-A so it is built with=20 > the newer dependency. >=20 > sysutils/portmanager also updates ports, put it doesn't cheat. When > port-B became port-B.1 portmanager will rebuild port-A using port-B.1 > as the dependency. port-A's registry stays reliable, reflecting how the I don't see why any port should be rebuild just because a Port it depend on is updated. In more than 99% of all cases this is not needed.=20 you whould en up in rebuilding openoffice or mozilla/firefox quite often.= =20 Correct me if im wrong. But most of the problem was caused by the fact=20 that the installation directory of the perl modules has changed with the=20 update. That's a Problem that ist unique to script languages like perl,=20 ruby and python, and don't affect the vast majority of the Ports.=20 Most ob the dependencies a of the type program A uses program B or=20 program A uses a library ob program B. In both cases there is no=20 need for an update of program A when program B is updated because=20 programm a will work well with the new version of program b or more than=20 just a recomile is needed to make it work with the new version.=20 I might have helped if with the update of the perl ports all ports=20 depending on perl would have been version bumped. So portupgrade had=20 updated them with the perl port automaticly.=20 I don't see where there is cheating with the update ob the dependency=20 information.=20 You install port A and port B. port B depends on port A.=20 after some time you update port A to a new version. port B still works without a problem. But port B still has the dependency for=20 the old version of port A. Some time later you try to delete=20 program A. There is a hell of work to be done finding out if any of=20 the ports still installed need this port if the dependency information=20 is not consisten with the installed version numbers. The dependency=20 infomation should reflect the information what other ports are needed=20 and not the information which version of a port A was installed on the system on building time of port B.=20 It should be the responsibility of a Port Maintainer to decide if a=20 port has to be rebuild or not. A port maintainer can trigger a rebuild=20 with a bump of the port revision.=20 In case of such a widly dependen port like perl this bump could be done=20 by the portmgr.=20 A totaly different problem is the fact that the update of the perl port=20 didn't update the information in /etc/make.conf. So the rebuild ob all=20 dependend ports din't work until you called use.perl ports yourself after= =20 afterthe perl update.=20 just my 2 cent.=20 Bye Estartu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gerhard Schmidt | Nick : estartu IRC : Estartu | Fischbachweg 3 | | PGP Public Key 86856 Hiltenfingen | Privat: estartu@augusta.de | auf Anfrage/ Germany | | on Request --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: Mxc4SAJOBPztGe9qhBlf1D1SlJK7ohqn iQCVAwUBQhIA4Azx22nOTJQRAQHRBQP/YEZiW9F6VxqoYWMY59wYf+8XLg4bXGyU udaMQCGkAE6j8a7eyZZG2VVfNaxMISAOsbknia8U7EM0tW04ShDHu0jYd5IToDBk 1Djj7zLaEDIkO+bqW/URXji595R15as+sAlfsnEFaSw7b9P9vrCs4qMKbGRu9p/N Mfk7lGXyGQA= =LkuW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:11:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3873E16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:11:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-04.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DA7F43D3F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:11:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com) Received: (qmail 28820 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 14:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warren.shinji.nq.nu) (203.206.228.43) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 14:11:38 -0000 From: Warren To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:12:21 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502160012.22138.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> Subject: Mail Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:11:43 -0000 How do i go about setting up a mail server on my gateway machine to collect and store all email locally from the outside world etc ? -- Yours Sincerely Shinjii http://www.shinji.nq.nu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:20:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3AB16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:20:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12F743D45 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:20:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ssalamander@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so847053rng for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:20:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BVKYJb81/8ST0OCISjkO2K3JIUVow/fAZ5GSN1jwD8bR0lIfJQTK4h3qnYxrP17b5o0rcpHSzE/GQ8GQkC26MSTKOA6ZlyfMnSHcKp52Rs6isb+azvoYhuEQaAveHP4nkeBiL/OnIRjvURXVmlFxFbPYQvopZ2U4aJYCQmOL8Qc= Received: by 10.38.81.75 with SMTP id e75mr156323rnb; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.152.23 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:20:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <81bf90de05021506201f3240a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:20:22 -0500 From: S Salamander To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Specify location of port install? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: S Salamander List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:20:24 -0000 I have a situation where I need both gpgme03 and gpgme installed. However, both install their includes and other files in very similar locations and another program I'm installing can't find the needed gpgme03 files. I don't believe anything else I have installed depends on gpgme03, so I was wondering if there was a way when installing it again I could specify the install directory such that I could point other apps I'm installing to it more directly (I think their finding the gpgme files when they need the gpgme03 files). Is this possible? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:22:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5088C16A4CF for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:22:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from phenix.rootshell.be (phenix.rootshell.be [217.22.55.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D7643D4C for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:22:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kilim@phenix.rootshell.be) Received: by phenix.rootshell.be (Postfix, from userid 58045) id EAB3E179AF; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:22:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:22:05 +0100 From: kilim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050215142205.GA28272@phenix.rootshell.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: SSH-agent setting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:22:08 -0000 Hello, I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X. But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password. Is such a thing do-able ? Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:26:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0C516A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:26:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9735E43D48 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:26:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (net4801-2 [192.168.254.1]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB374B8D5; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:22:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:22:37 +0100 From: cpghost@cordula.ws To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050215142237.GC56849@fw.farid-hajji.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Diskless NFS mounts weirdness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:26:40 -0000 Hi, I've set up a pool of diskless workstations loosely following the instructions in http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/09/30/diskless_clients.html Everything runs just fine, except for one weirdness with mount and /var: % mount 192.168.122.1:/var/diskless_ro on / (nfs, read-only) devfs on /dev (devfs, local) 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/etc on /etc (nfs) /dev/md0 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/tmp on /tmp (nfs) 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/home on /home (nfs) 1. /var *is* actually mounted on 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var but it is not listed in mount(8)s output. Why? 2. Which part of the system created /dev/md0 and mounted that on /var? I don't need that and would like to save some RAM anyway. It is possible to manually mount /var after booting the workstation, though it doesn't seem to be necessary. All this does is add one line to mount's output: # mount /var % mount 192.168.122.1:/var/diskless_ro on / (nfs, read-only) devfs on /dev (devfs, local) 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/etc on /etc (nfs) /dev/md0 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/tmp on /tmp (nfs) 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/home on /home (nfs) 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var on /var (nfs) More details: ------------- The first rc script to run is: ---------------------------------------- server# cat /var/diskless_ro/etc/rc #!/bin/sh PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin; export PATH boot_ip=`kenv boot.netif.ip` mount -t nfs 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/${boot_ip}/var /var mount -t nfs 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/${boot_ip}/etc /etc mount -t nfs 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/${boot_ip}/tmp /tmp mount -t nfs 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/home /home . /etc/rc2 exit 0 ---------------------------------------- We see that /var is (or should be) mounted from the NFS server. This is then followed by rc2, which is nothing more than a copy of the regular /etc/rc, adapted for every single diskless client. Every client has its own fstab, e.g.: server# cat /pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/etc/fstab # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# 192.168.122.1:/var/diskless_ro / nfs ro 0 0 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/etc /etc nfs rw 0 0 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var /var nfs rw 0 0 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/tmp /tmp nfs rw 0 0 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/home /home nfs rw 0 0 All this is not terribly important (as said, everything works just fine), but if someone has already experimented with diskless workstations... :) Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:45:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE4516A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:45:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFE043D1F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:45:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 16455 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 14:45:14 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Feb 2005 14:45:14 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id BC08B7E; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:45:13 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: Mike Jeays References: <1108353173.33317.10.camel@chaucer.jeays.ca> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 15 Feb 2005 09:45:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1108353173.33317.10.camel@chaucer.jeays.ca> Message-ID: <44fyzx287a.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI device numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:45:15 -0000 Mike Jeays writes: > I have at present two emulated SCSI devices on my system; a USB flash > drive, and a DVD-writer. > > They get assigned: > > 0,0,0 0) 'SanDisk ' 'Cruzer Micro ' '2033' Removable Disk > 2,0,0 200) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVDRAM GSA-4160B' 'A300' Removable CD-ROM > > if the USB device is present at boot time (I think). > > So my script for burning CDs, which says: > mkisofs -J -L -R -o x1.iso "$*" > cdrecord -v dev=2,0,0 x1.iso > rm -f x1.iso > is very fragile. > > How should I do it? Write a script to read the output of cdrecord > -scanbus and grab the device number? There has to be a "right" way, and > instinct says this isn't it. It's not a bad way. I'm not sure I understand why the device numbering is so fragile, though; wouldn't the ATAPI buses available at boot time be the same whether they have devices or not? -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:47:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE19416A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:47:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from elysium.unit.liu.se (elysium.unit.liu.se [130.236.230.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ADF43D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:47:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ulfma629@student.liu.se) Received: by elysium.unit.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 102) id C8E93339F5; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:47:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from liu.se (camelot.unit.liu.se [130.236.230.139]) by elysium.unit.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DE7339F0 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:47:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from [81.94.77.242] by mu.unit.liu.se (mshttpd); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:47:08 +0100 From: Ulf Magnusson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <9fc88a0226.a02269fc88@liu.se> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:47:08 +0100 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2-liu_20050119_1740 (2004-11-16) on themis.unit.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, LIU_FROM_MATCHES_LIUSTUDENT autolearn=ham version=3.0.2-liu_20050119_1740 Subject: Re: Weird disk problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:47:14 -0000 Heh, should've mentioned; I'm installing FreeBSD 5.3 > Ulf Magnusson wrote: >Today I decided to install FreeBSD, and so I grabbed a FreeBSD installation CD >off the net. The first time I booted from the installation CD, everything >went fine (seemingly), and I soon found myself in sysinstall. Not quite ready >to install at that point, and needing to shut down the system, I quit >sysinstall without having initiated any install or changed any settings >(except maybe for the keymap, I can't remember). I returned later to >commence the installation only to find that the boot process now hangs, the >last message being "GEOM configure ad0s1, start 32256 length 112785007104 >end 112785039359" (verbose logging). I did not start my computer between >the two occasions, and didn't change my hardware configuration either. >Windows, which I have installed on the same disk (I shrunk the NTFS partition >by 10 GiB using Partition Magic to make way for FreeBSD), still boots fine. > >Help appreciated, >Ulf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:55:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890B416A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:55:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail47.e.nsc.no (mail47.e.nsc.no [193.213.115.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE20843D41 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:55:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from carebears.mine.nu (062249172002.customer.alfanett.no [62.249.172.2]) by mail47.nsc.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1FEtPx5019923 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:55:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.carebears.net [127.0.0.1]) by carebears.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9D327E46F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:54:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from carebears.mine.nu ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 36882-05 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:54:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.9] (funshine.carebears.net [192.168.0.9]) by carebears.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E7627E462 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:54:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <42120D6D.6040002@carebears.mine.nu> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:55:41 +0100 From: Christer Solskogen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041206 Thunderbird/1.0 Mnenhy/0.7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis at tenderheart.carebears.net Subject: removing pkgdb.db, and re-generate it X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:55:33 -0000 Just for the kicks of it I tried removing /var/db/pkgdb.db, and re-generate it by running pkgdb. The funny thing is that the file is taking lesser space. (from 4.6M to 3.9M) - not that it is much, but still why? -- cso, not subscribed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 14:57:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C8916A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:57:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outbox.allstream.net (outbox.allstream.net [207.245.244.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D2B43D46 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:57:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from epilogue@allstream.net) Received: from localhost (mon-pq68-122.dial.allstream.net [216.123.128.122]) by outbox.allstream.net (Allstream MTA) with ESMTP id 360DC1EC3B0; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:57:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:56:30 -0500 From: epilogue To: Jeff BSD Message-ID: <20050215095630.1f2caea7@localhost> In-Reply-To: <205376f105021420572470976@mail.gmail.com> References: <205376f105021420572470976@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broken shell - I can't login at all X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:57:09 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:57:28 -0800 Jeff BSD wrote: > Hi- > I'm in the process of upgrading a 4.6 system to 5.3. When I boot the > machine it gets to: > > ---- > init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user > mode > Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user > Password: > ---- > > I enter the password, then: > > ---- > Enter full pathname of shell of RETURN for /bin/sh: > pid # (sh), uid 0: exited on signal 12 > init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user > mode > Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user > Password: > ---- > > Round and round I go. > > Sounds like I broke /bin/sh to me. I've messed around in safe mode > but I can't see how I can use it to possibly fix my problem, assuming > I did do anything to /bin/sh (which I don't think I did - > intentionally/directly that is). > > How do I fix it so I can boot it? A bit of the chicken and the egg, > what? hello jeff, please see if it will accept /rescue/sh (the statically compiled rescue binary) gl, epi > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 15:00:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6116316A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:00:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alpargata.net (alpargata.net [67.18.172.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0229F43D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:00:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl081-061-217.dsl-isp.net [64.81.61.217] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by alpargata.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FFPLw4003298 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:25:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4B4CC95E-7F62-11D9-B357-000D93C7878E@illusionart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Vonleigh Simmons Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:00:13 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/624/Thu Dec 9 13:01:06 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on alpargata.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: mlock: not setgid mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:00:18 -0000 I asked this question before but we did not arrive at an answer. I'm getting in my mail log the following entry repeated: usr/local/libexec/mlock[755]: (64) not setgid mail And I can't figure out what it's complaining about. Below is the previous thread on questions which didn't arrive at anything but did rule out some things. Any help resolving this issue is greatly appreciated. Vonleigh Simmons From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 15:02:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2923016A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:02:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC19043D1D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:02:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1D14Dl-00057s-AY; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:02:37 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:03:10 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20050215084818.2f8b8dd5.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <20050215084818.2f8b8dd5.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502150903.10606.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce8e7e3d2577863668b9f8415eca57cb9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: Randy Pratt Subject: Re: FreeBSD motherboard survey site disappeared X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:02:38 -0000 On Tuesday 15 February 2005 07:48 am, Randy Pratt wrote: > There was a site collecting information about motherboards. It was > at: > http://www.eilio.com/freebsd-motherboards/ > > It seems to be gone along with all the information that was > collected. > > For reference, this was the original list mail that started the > project: > > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20031121094707.G89525 > > Anyone know where the site went or the whereabouts of the site's > owner ( Philip Hallstrom )? > > Thanks, > > Randy I don't know anything about the site mentioned above; but you may find the New York City *BSD Users Group's (NYCBUG) dmesg database helpful: http://nycbug.org/index.php?NAV=dmesgd Best regards, Andrew Gould From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 15:09:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B860E16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:09:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from auth.eyesurf.net (authgt.eyesurf.net [64.187.4.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFCC43D1D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:09:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from manu@onlinetel.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by auth.eyesurf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7226A9307B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from auth.eyesurf.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (authgt.eyesurf.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05372-09 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from JOELINEW (officegateway [66.38.175.130]) by auth.eyesurf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C07B93070 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:09:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Manu Jha" To: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c51370$63219fa0$3701a8c0@JOELINEW> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at eyesurf.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Help: Kernel Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:09:49 -0000 Hi, I am getting this message on FREEBSD /var/log/message file. Please help me to fix the issue. Thanks, Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered Read Error Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed Feb 15 08:54:38 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0 Feb 15 08:54:38 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0 Feb 15 09:22:48 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event [command:0x28] Feb 15 09:22:48 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event [command:0x28] Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error [k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb] Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error [k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb] Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered Read Error Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered Read Error Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed Feb 15 09:22:52 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0 Feb 15 09:22:52 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0 > dmesg aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event [command:0x28] aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error [k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb] aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered Read Error aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0 > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 15:28:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F3D16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:28:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail1.flncs.com (ns1.flncs.com [204.0.142.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE1743D1F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:28:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tradigan@newrevolutions.net) Received: (qmail 88189 invoked by uid 98); 15 Feb 2005 15:27:59 -0000 Received: from 66.166.153.84 by beastie.flncs.com (envelope-from , uid 89) with qmail-scanner-1.24 (clamdscan: 0.80/704. 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Processed in 0.141464 secs) Received: from h-66-166-153-84.phlapafg.covad.net (HELO l03ptradigan) (tradigan@newrevolutions.net@66.166.153.84) by 0 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 15:27:59 -0000 From: "Timothy Radigan" To: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:28:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUTcvg04YmapZ/lRMKGMAN7tD9+Cg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Qmail-Scanner-Message-ID: <110848127969888182@beastie.flncs.com> Message-Id: <20050215152800.DCE1743D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: IPSec and Racoon Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:28:01 -0000 Hey all, I have a question or two regarding IPSec and the Racoon port. I have a wired LAN and a wireless LAN in my house. The BSD box acts as the primary gateway/firewall/router. For the wireless LAN, the AP has WEP enabled with a 128-bit key. Of course, with all of the nifty WEP cracking tools out there I definitely want more protection, so I found a wireless networking how-to using FreeBSD with IPSec and Racoon. The initial configuration went very well and I am able to use IPSec between the Windows XP wireless clients and the FreeBSD box. However, the connection seems to "time out" from time to time. It's not the wireless network because if I don't use IPSec I get an occasional time out due to signal loss, but nothing near as much when I'm using IPSec. It seems as though when the client(s) are idle for a period of time, they loose their connection with the server and can no longer communicate. When I ping the BSD box from an XP client, it just states "Negotiating Security" forever until I stop the IPSec service, wait a few minutes, and restart it. Obviously I do not want to do this for each and every client when they drop their wireless connection due to something with IPSec and/or Racoon. Again, I do NOT have this problem when I take IPSec out of the picture. I never drop connections when I'm a floor away or on the same floor as the AP. It's only an anomaly when I'm using IPSec. Below are the following configuration files: racoon.conf, psk.txt, and ipsec.conf. If anyone has any ideas on why these connections are dropping, any help would be appreciated. Maybe there is another method of creating a VPN tunnel for the wireless LAN? Thanks, Tim ****** /usr/local/etc/racoon/racoon.conf ****** path include "/usr/local/etc/racoon" ; path pre_shared_key "/usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt" ; path certificate "/usr/local/etc/cert" ; log debug; padding { maximum_length 20; # maximum padding length. randomize off; # enable randomize length. strict_check off; # enable strict check. exclusive_tail off; # extract last one octet. } listen { isakmp 192.168.20.1 [500]; } timer { counter 5; # maximum trying count to send. interval 20 sec; # maximum interval to resend. persend 1; # the number of packets per a send. phase1 30 sec; phase2 15 sec; } remote anonymous { exchange_mode aggressive,main; doi ipsec_doi; situation identity_only; my_identifier user_fqdn "radigan@newrevolutions.net"; peers_identifier user_fqdn "radigan@newrevolutions.net"; nonce_size 16; lifetime time 1 min; # sec,min,hour initial_contact on; support_mip6 on; proposal_check obey; # obey, strict or claim proposal { encryption_algorithm 3des; hash_algorithm sha1; authentication_method pre_shared_key ; dh_group 2 ; } } remote ::1 [8000] { exchange_mode aggressive,main; doi ipsec_doi; situation identity_only; my_identifier user_fqdn "radigan@newrevolutions.net"; peers_identifier user_fqdn "radigan@newrevolutions.net"; nonce_size 16; lifetime time 1 min; # sec,min,hour proposal { encryption_algorithm 3des; hash_algorithm sha1; authentication_method pre_shared_key ; dh_group 2 ; } } sainfo anonymous { pfs_group 1; lifetime time 30 sec; encryption_algorithm 3des ; authentication_algorithm hmac_sha1; compression_algorithm deflate ; } sainfo address ::1 icmp6 address ::1 icmp6 { pfs_group 1; lifetime time 60 sec; encryption_algorithm 3des, cast128, blowfish 448, des ; authentication_algorithm hmac_sha1, hmac_md5 ; compression_algorithm deflate ; } ****** /usr/local/etc/racoon/racoon.conf ****** ****** /usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt ****** 192.168.20.3 
192.168.20.4                    

****** /usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt ******


****** /etc/ipsec.conf ******

flush;
spdflush;
spdadd 192.168.20.3/32 0.0.0.0/0 any -P in ipsec
esp/tunnel/192.168.20.3-192.168.20.1/use;
spdadd 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.20.3/32 any -P out ipsec
esp/tunnel/192.168.20.1-192.168.20.3/use;
spdadd 192.168.20.4/32 0.0.0.0/0 any -P in ipsec
esp/tunnel/192.168.20.4-192.168.20.1/use;
spdadd 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.20.4/32 any -P out ipsec
esp/tunnel/192.168.20.1-192.168.20.4/use;

****** /etc/ipsec.conf ******

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I have been running Ntop for the last few weeks and each time it updates the 
CPU usage screams up to 70% and basically hangs my comp untill such time as 
it has finished updating the graph
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> Hello,
>
> I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X.
>
>
> But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
> my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
> 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.
>
> Is such a thing do-able ?

in ~/.xinit start your windowmanager with something like:
"/usr/bin/ssh-agent   ~/bin/startmywindowmanager"

if you are using xdm, some applications in ports can help you with
providing a password-dialog, among others "ssh_askpass_gtk2".

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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:59:59 -0800
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> I  would like to know if anyone has tested 5.3 release or later on a 8
> CPU AMD Opteron system?

No, but I'd be glad to give one a workout if anybody gave me one. :-)

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 03:55:41PM +0100, Christer Solskogen wrote:
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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:38:41AM +1000, Warren wrote:
> I have been running Ntop for the last few weeks and each time it updates =
the=20
> CPU usage screams up to 70% and basically hangs my comp untill such time =
as=20
> it has finished updating the graph

This post didn't contain a question :)

If your ntop is making your computer do too much work, run the process
less often, run it with a niceness to reduce impact on other
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>> Hello,
>>
>> I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X.
>>
>>
>> But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
>> my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
>> 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.
>>
>> Is such a thing do-able ?
>
> in ~/.xinit start your windowmanager with something like:
correction: i have this in the file  ~/.xsession , sorry.
> "/usr/bin/ssh-agent   ~/bin/startmywindowmanager"
>
> if you are using xdm, some applications in ports can help you with
> providing a password-dialog, among others "ssh_askpass_gtk2".
>
> --
> Hilsen Lars
>
>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
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Manu Jha wrote:

>Hi, 
>
>I am getting this message on FREEBSD /var/log/message file. Please help
>me to fix the issue.
>
>Thanks,
> 
>
>  
>

Well, at first glance, it certainly looks like one of the disks )0:2:0)
in your RAID array is developing some issues, but IANAE.  You
have checked your disks?  (Also, you have backups, right?)

Kevin Kinsey


>Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered
>Read Error
>Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
>REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed
>Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
>REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed
>Feb 15 08:54:38 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
>REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0
>Feb 15 08:54:38 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
>REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0
>Feb 15 09:22:48 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event
>[command:0x28]
>Feb 15 09:22:48 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event
>[command:0x28]
>Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error
>[k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb]
>Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error
>[k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb]
>Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered
>Read Error
>Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered
>Read Error
>Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
>REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed
>Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
>REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed
>Feb 15 09:22:52 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
>REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0
>Feb 15 09:22:52 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
>REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0
> 
>  
>
>>dmesg
>>    
>>
>aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event [command:0x28]
>aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error [k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb]
>aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered Read Error
>aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed
>aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0
>  
>

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>> Could you please give some detail about setting options for
>> individual ports in make.conf?  Maybe I missed something in 'man
>> make.conf' or 'man ports' but everything seems to refer to global
>> options.  The only example I've found is in man portmanager, but I'm
>> still a little unsure about the how to do it properly.
>>
> This example from portmanager's manual is how to do it in make.conf:
>
>       .if ${.CURDIR:M*/local/sysutils/portmanager}
>       PREFIX=/home/mike/TEMP
>       .endif
>       #
>       .if ${.CURDIR:M*/multimedia/mplayer}
>       WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=yes WITHOUT_RUNTIME_CPUDETECTION=yes \
>       WITH_GTK1=yes WITH_RTC=yes WITH_LIBUNGIF=yes WITH_ARTS=yes \
>       WITH_FRIBIDI=yes WITH_CDPARANOIA=yes WITH_LIBDV=yes        \
>       WITH_MAD=yes WITH_SVGALIB=yes WITH_AALIB=yes WITH_THEORA=yes    \
>       WITH_SDL=yes WITH_ESOUND=yes WITH_VORBIS=yes WITH_XANIM=yes     \
>       WITH_LIVEMEDIA=yes WITH_MATROSKA=yes WITH_XVID=yes WITH_LZO=yes \
>       WITH_XMMS=yes WITH_LANG=en
>       .endif

	Just wanted to point this out because this is really good info. I had 
been looking for a while how to define additional make parameters for 
specific applications in make.conf, since every time I updated I had to 
recompile some programs by hand to put in the additional options I 
needed (-DMAKE_WITH... etc).

	Thanks a lot.


Vonleigh Simmons


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cpghost@cordula.ws wrote:

> 1. /var *is* actually mounted on 
>    192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var
>    but it is not listed in mount(8)s output. Why?
> 
> 2. Which part of the system created /dev/md0 and mounted that
>    on /var? I don't need that and would like to save some RAM
>    anyway.

I guess you are using 5.3 or newer? the /etc/rc.d/diskless script has 
been replaced, by among other things, a script /etc/rc.d/var which 
creates a memory disk, /dev/md0, using up your precious ram.

I have tried to remove the script but get an error because nfs wants to 
update the /var/db/mounttab - before /var is actually mounted - so the 
mount fails.

The /etc/rc.d/var script creates a memory disk if it detects that /var 
is read-only - which is the case since the nfs mount failed. And the 
memory disk is then populated.

If the root partition is rw-mounted the nfs-mount will succeed.

If you have enough ram this is not a problem, simply let var be a memory 
disk. You can set the size of the memory disk in rc.conf.

 > /dev/md0 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
 > 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var on /var (nfs)

Now this is wierd - how can you have to mounts on the same mount point?

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> cpghost@cordula.ws wrote:
>
>> 1. /var *is* actually mounted on
>>    192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var
>>    but it is not listed in mount(8)s output. Why?
>>
>> 2. Which part of the system created /dev/md0 and mounted that
>>    on /var? I don't need that and would like to save some RAM
>>    anyway.
>
> I guess you are using 5.3 or newer? the /etc/rc.d/diskless script has
> been replaced, by among other things, a script /etc/rc.d/var which
> creates a memory disk, /dev/md0, using up your precious ram.
>
> I have tried to remove the script but get an error because nfs wants to
> update the /var/db/mounttab - before /var is actually mounted - so the
> mount fails.
>
> The /etc/rc.d/var script creates a memory disk if it detects that /var
> is read-only - which is the case since the nfs mount failed. And the
> memory disk is then populated.
>
> If the root partition is rw-mounted the nfs-mount will succeed.
>
> If you have enough ram this is not a problem, simply let var be a memory
> disk. You can set the size of the memory disk in rc.conf.
>
>  > /dev/md0 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
>  > 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var on /var (nfs)
>
> Now this is wierd - how can you have to mounts on the same mount point?

Wierd yes, but very easy to do. A mount point is just a directory. That
directory does not have to be empty. First /dev/md0 was mounted, then the
NFS share was mounted. So, the NFS share is what is being used as /var.
This indicates poor design (or an error).


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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:40:51 +0100, Davide Lemma  wrote:
> I'm in a situation similar to you... I've just purchased a Medion SIM2000,
> it boots up but I've also some troubles with sound & modem.
> Here the strange problem is that the sound card is a AC97 ALS (SiS7012) and
> it just outputs from headphone and the modem is a SiS7013 (Intel Winmodem)
> that isn't  in the ports tree (while there is the LT winmodem).
> For the Video Card with some trick I was able to get a full 16:9 resolution
> like in windows but without DRI (this is an Xorg problem).
> Above all I'm almost surprised because I know the difficulty to work with a
> laptop & unix.
> I've tried Fedora Core 3 & Debian III but it gives me an error during boot
> (acpi error).
> So like a BSD users I feel above all lucky enough.
> The only suggestion I feel to give you is to wait the awake of 6.0 because
> it will have many changes in ACPI calls. I'm waiting too to have some tricks
> about my sound card :)
> 
> bye Davide
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bsdnooby" 
> To: ; 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:32 AM
> Subject: All your laptops are belong to Windows.
> 
> >
> > I'm defeated.  The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it turns off
> > my laptop.
> >
> > When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new I'm blue.HP Pavilion laptop
> > turns itself off.  It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or floppies.
> > There is no error log since it just shuts off after I choose to load a
> > kernel.  I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not help.  I
> > believe I tried all the kernel options available from the menu on 5.x.
> >
> > The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB HD,
> > 15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN.  I purchased it from Best Buy.
> >
> > Under Windows, it appears Hyper-Threading is turned on, and I have not
> > found a way to turn it off inside the CMOS.
> >
> > The machine runs Windows XP Pro fine, but I am trying to switch to FreeBSD
> > on all my boxen.  I was really surprised to find this one abruptly
> > shutdown when trying to do the install.  It turns off before the install
> > really starts, so I do not have much information to solve this problem.
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If you have an HP or Compaq laptop, and you see this problem TRY the
R3000Z patches.

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Hello There;

I have a problem my freebsd box my server sometimes rebooting and =
booting normally i get a dmesg and messeges output. I searching this =
error on the web and asking my server installer person "tagging queue" =
must will be disabled when this error.

Thank you


Freebsd box
----------------------------------
postmaster:/var/log#uname -a
FreeBSD postmaster.egecom.net 4.9-STABLE FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #0: Thu Jan  =
8 18:41:42 EET 2004     =
yurtesen@master.egecom.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/POSTMASTER  i386


dmesg out
--------------------
postmaster:/var/log#dmesg | grep ahc
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 47 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 46 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 52 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 30 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 35 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no comm41 32 34 36 21 24 18 7 9 8 13 0 15 26 25 27 11 3 14 =
17 19 1 5 16 2 4 65 156 157 158 159 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 =
149 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 =
127 128 129 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 100 101 55 =
(cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 68 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 39 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 33 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 49 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 31 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 54 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 44 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 50 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 40 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 37 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 29 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 43 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 57 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 20 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 67 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 51 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 23 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 12 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 47 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 46 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 52 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 30 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 55 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0:A:1: no active SCB for reconnecting target - issuing BUS DEVICE =
RESET
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status =3D 34c
ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 SCBs aborted
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x33 - timex0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status =3D 34c
ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 SCBs aborted
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x30 - timed out
ahc0: Dumping Card State while idle, at SEQADDR 0x7
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status =3D 34c
ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 SCBs aborted
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x43 - timed out
ahc0: Dumping Card State while idle, at SEQADDR 0x8
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status =3D 34c
ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 SCBs aborted
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x14 - timed out
ahc0: Dumping Card State while idle, at SEQADDR 0x8
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status =3D 34c
ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 SCBs aborted
ahc0:  port 0xee00-0xeeff mem =
0xdbc00000-0xdbc00fff irq 10 at device 12.0 on pci0
da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0


messages out
--------------------------
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 49 SCB_CONTROL[0x6c] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 33 SCB_CONTROL[0x6c] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 39 SCB_CONTROL[0x6c] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 68 SCB_CONTROL[0x6c] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 58 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 55 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 35 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 30 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 52 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 46 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 47 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 12 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 23 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 59 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 22 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 51 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 48 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 67 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 20 SCB_CONTROL[0x88] =
SCB_SCSIID[0x17] SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: Kernel Free SCB list: 38 6 66 56 28 =
42 69 10 155 45 53 41 32 34 36 21 24 18 7 9 8 13 0 15
26 25 27 11 3 14 17 19 1 5 16 2 4 65 156 157 158 159 140 141 142 143 144 =
145 146 147 148 149 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 1
38 139 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 110 111 112 113 114 115 =
116 117 118 119 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109
 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 70 71 72 73 =
74 75 76 77 78 79 60 61 62 63 64 154 153 152 151 150
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel:
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Dump Card State =
Ends >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: sg[0] - Addr 0x5540 : Length 32
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset =
Message Sent
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in =
timeout, status =3D 34c
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 =
SCBs aborted

and rebooting ....


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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:56:43PM +0100, Lars Kristiansen wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X.
> >>
> >>
> >> But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
> >> my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
> >> 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.
> >>
> >> Is such a thing do-able ?
> >
> > in ~/.xinit start your windowmanager with something like:
> correction: i have this in the file  ~/.xsession , sorry.
> > "/usr/bin/ssh-agent   ~/bin/startmywindowmanager"

Thanks Lars !

I'm doing something like this, in my .xinitrc, as I start the X
from the command line using 'startx':

/usr/bin/ssh-agent "/usr/X11R6/bin/wmaker"

Then in the xterm I just type ssh-add and every consecutive xterm
can use ssh without prompting for the password.





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Hey,

I have a 3Com 3CRSHPW_96 Wireless PCMIA card for my laptop.
However I'm a newbie at using PCMIA cards on FreeBSD.

BSD finds the card when I plug it in, but it doesn't show up when
I use the ifconfig command.

Can anyone help me with this problem, so I can get it up and running.
The system is a fresh installed FreeBSD 5.3

Thanks in advance
Lars

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Why not use keychain and put it in the appropriate rc file (.bashrc, cshrc, etc.), then you'll be connected to the agent automatically.

on 02-15-2005, kilim wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:56:43PM +0100, Lars Kristiansen wrote:
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
> > >> my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
> > >> 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.
> > >>
> > >> Is such a thing do-able ?
> > >
> > > in ~/.xinit start your windowmanager with something like:
> > correction: i have this in the file  ~/.xsession , sorry.
> > > "/usr/bin/ssh-agent   ~/bin/startmywindowmanager"
> 
> Thanks Lars !
> 
> I'm doing something like this, in my .xinitrc, as I start the X
> from the command line using 'startx':
> 
> /usr/bin/ssh-agent "/usr/X11R6/bin/wmaker"
> 
> Then in the xterm I just type ssh-add and every consecutive xterm
> can use ssh without prompting for the password.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I have just installed Freebsd 5.3 using a standard install, with all 
packages, and ports.

When I go to Configure X (as per the handbook 2.9.12) using  "Configure"  
Do post-install configuration of Freebsd, in the Configuration menu 
there is no sub menu "XFree86"

Where did I go wrong.?
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Hi Loren

Thank you for your mail again

For the monitor sofeware iptraf , I can't get it in
the port. Why freebsd doesn't support it!
I tried to install in freebsd from the tarball and got
an error messages!

I need sth to prove the traffic to those routers from
outside. 

Do you have experience the max traffic freebsd can
support? It seems to support max 230M only!

Thank you


--- "Loren M. Lang"  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:21:03AM -0800, ann kok
> wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Thank you very much for your help
> > 
> > The freebsd router is behind the cisco router.
> > 
> > Do you have any experience to determine the
> traffic is
> > in freebsd and cisco from outside?
> > 
> > Can traceroute give figure to prove it?
> 
> I'm not quite sure if I understand what you're
> asking, but if you want
> to see what traffic is going into/out of/through
> them, tcpdump is a good
> command-line based packet sniffer and ethereal is
> it's gui cousin.  You
> can even use tcpdump to capture data and later view
> it on a different
> computer with ethereal.  iptraf will show you
> general usage of the
> traffic crossing your router.  If your asking to see
> what path the
> traffic is taking from point A to point B, then
> traceroute is your best
> friend.
> 
> > 
> > Please help
> > 
> > Thank you again
> > 
> > --- "Loren M. Lang"  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann
> kok
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi all
> > > > 
> > > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd
> > > router
> > > > but I don't understand ttl (time to live)
> > > > 
> > > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router
> has 58
> > > > Does it set by the router itself?
> > > > Can I change it in freebsd?
> > > 
> > > FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's
> is
> > > probably 255.  As
> > > long as the number of hops neccessary to get to
> a
> > > certain computer is
> > > never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with
> it. 
> > > The highest I've
> > > seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to
> have
> > > to grow a bit, I
> > > think, before it's an issue.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you
> > > > 
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151
> ttl=251
> > > > time=100 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152
> ttl=251
> > > > time=103 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153
> ttl=251
> > > > time=104 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154
> ttl=251
> > > > time=106 ms
> > > > 
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182
> ttl=58
> > > > time=105 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183
> ttl=58
> > > > time=105 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184
> ttl=58
> > > > time=104 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185
> ttl=58
> > > > time=108 ms
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Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> In short, there's no way to know how an incorrectly written
> HTML page will display on IE.

The solution is to not write HTML incorrectly.  That's what HTML
validators are for.  No browser has any obligation to behave in any
particular predetermined way in the face of bad HTML.

> As a result of this, people that create web pages (and I am NOT
> polluting the title 'web designer' by lumping every moron that writes
> a web page into that group) and only look at them with IE usually end
> up making lots of mistakes. They fix these by layering on even more
> bandaids and mistakes until they get something somewhat resembling
> what they are after. Is is of course only displayable in IE. Needless
> to say this is a VERY bad thing for the Internet because it undercuts
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These Web sites harm no one except themselves.  Webmasters are sovereign
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they want.  If I don't like the way their site does or does not display
in my browser, I'll leave the site.  I already do that routinely for any
site that contains Flash animation.

> That depends on your definition of "best"

It is likely to display most pages in a correct way.  I've been testing
Opera, Firefox, and MSIE side by side, and right now it's between
Firefox and MSIE.  Opera is already out of the running.

-- 
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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:40 am, Lars Hederidder wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I have a 3Com 3CRSHPW_96 Wireless PCMIA card for my laptop.
> However I'm a newbie at using PCMIA cards on FreeBSD.
>
> BSD finds the card when I plug it in, but it doesn't show up when
> I use the ifconfig command.
>
> Can anyone help me with this problem, so I can get it up and running.
> The system is a fresh installed FreeBSD 5.3
>
> Thanks in advance
> Lars

When you say FreeBSD "sees" the card, do you mean it is associated with 
a device, or just that the card's name appears in dmesg?

It would appear, from the email message link below, that this card 
requires the use of it's Windows drivers.

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2004-September/004804.html

Follow the link below to the online handbook's chapter on wireless 
networking.  Read the whole chapter; but pay particular attention to 
section 25.3.3.6.3, toward the bottom, regarding the NDISulator.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html

Best of luck,

Andrew Gould

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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:55 am, Peterhin wrote:
> I have just installed Freebsd 5.3 using a standard install, with all
> packages, and ports.
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> When I go to Configure X (as per the handbook 2.9.12) using 
> "Configure" Do post-install configuration of Freebsd, in the
> Configuration menu there is no sub menu "XFree86"
>
> Where did I go wrong.?

Use Chapter 5.4 instead:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html

I have always had an easier time configuring X separately from the 
installation process.

Best of luck,

Andrew Gould

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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:55 am, Peterhin wrote:
> I have just installed Freebsd 5.3 using a standard install, with all
> packages, and ports.
>
> When I go to Configure X (as per the handbook 2.9.12) using 
> "Configure" Do post-install configuration of Freebsd, in the
> Configuration menu there is no sub menu "XFree86"
>
> Where did I go wrong.?

Use Chapter 5.4 instead:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html

I have always had an easier time configuring X separately from the 
installation process.

Best of luck,

Andrew Gould

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  Hi all.
      Look i was hardering my freebsd box 4.10 p5, but i made one mistake:
                            "I didnt test my system before i reboot"

  I was reading some docs about "security", i use chflags on:

  mistake# chflags schg /bin/*
  mistake# chflags schg /sbin/*

  Them apply some chmod on /root files:

   mistake# chmod 0600 /root/.*  (i think :-?)

  I was trying to make my root directory only visible by root user.
But dont remenber wich mod i apply. I made more changes but dont
remember all.

    The result was that went i try to access my box like normal user
(wheel group), the systema say:
                          "error: cannot find root directory"

   Them i boot single-user, i input my password:
                  
                                 "init: single-user failed"

    Here i could not access my system, my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
  Ok, them get my 3 floppys, kern, mfs, and fixit .flp. I mount / to
access  my system:

   -delete the schg label on /bin and /sbin
    mistake#chflags noschg /bin/*
    mistake#chflags noschg /sbin/*

     On the root directory, i change my .files attr:

mistake# chmod 0644 /root/.*

    I change my ttys, to let root access the system: from insecure -> secure.

    I was checking other system with the same version 4.10 p5, and let
the files attributes on /root and / with the same attributes.

     I dont touch the /kernel file, after this change root could
access the system, but the other users dont have access:

                                "error: cannot find root directory".

     This is my situation right now, could some one give some clues to
resolve this problem,  i dont want to install again the S.O, this
machine i working very well.

   I will apreciate any  clue. Thanks all for your time.

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:51:41AM -0500, Clayton Scott Kern wrote:

> on 02-15-2005, kilim wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:56:43PM +0100, Lars Kristiansen wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
> > > >> my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
> > > >> 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.
> > > >>
> > > >> Is such a thing do-able ?
> > > >
> > > > in ~/.xinit start your windowmanager with something like:
> > > correction: i have this in the file  ~/.xsession , sorry.
> > > > "/usr/bin/ssh-agent   ~/bin/startmywindowmanager"
> > 
> > I'm doing something like this, in my .xinitrc, as I start the X
> > from the command line using 'startx':
> > 
> > /usr/bin/ssh-agent "/usr/X11R6/bin/wmaker"
> > 
> > Then in the xterm I just type ssh-add and every consecutive xterm
> > can use ssh without prompting for the password.
>
> Why not use keychain and put it in the appropriate rc file (.bashrc,
> cshrc, etc.), then you'll be connected to the agent automatically.

You top posted. Anyways.

Because if I have ssh-agent in .profile everytime I start an xterm
I'll have another ssh-agent starting. Then for each and every one of
them I'll have to run "ssh-add" and type in the pass pharase. Which
completely defeats the whole point.

But thanks for trying anyways.


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In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:41:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, darren kirby  writes:

>quoth the David Kelly:
>
>> Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly
>> ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to
>> one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of
>> "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still
>> can't think outside of that box.
>
>I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. Sure there are thousands of
>people coming to Linux because they 'hate' MS. Sure they don't know gcc from
>ppc but I don't think it is fair to call them the 'community', rather a small
>subset. Do you think these people are writing any software? Are they
>designing programming interfaces? Do they have a damn thing to do with the
>development of Linux or any of its supporting software? Hell no. They are
>just users clogging up the message boards and mailing lists with stupid
>questions. "Human Interface"? Am I missing something? Can you please tell me
>where the much superior FreeBSD human interface can be downloaded? In the
>console they are pretty much the same keystroke for keystroke, and on the
>desktop it is all the same software...
>
>I run FreeBSD and Linux, and I love them both. I am trying to point out that
>when you slam Linux developers with pettiness and name calling that you are
>no better than all the lusers slamming MS, and thinking they're leet because
>they installed Fedora? I have noticed a lot of this on FreeBSD lists, and I
>think it is counterproductive because it is unprofessional and in the end
>more people using Linux means more people running free software which
>benefits _all_ of us...and besides, it is offensive to people like me that
>just like playing with 'nix boxes and run both.
>
>Why can't you just run your FreeBSD and feel superior, silently?
>
>> Look closely at the BSD community and you'll find those who are working
>> at creating a better tool to serve their needs. Much debate about
>> exactly what constitutes "better" so there is also quite a bit of
>> experimenting. What you won't find is Microsoft as the yardstick by
>> which BSD's measure.

I think you are all just plain off the mark. People use what they
use because it suits their needs best. If you can't program then 
source code is useless, and if you don't know much about networking
you might not be able to get linux or any unix to work at all. You
don't generally hear secretaries whining about not having source;
they just want the thing to work.

In all walks of life, people choose what suits them best. Just 
because someone is a republican doesn't mean he's a right-wing
anti-abortionist. It just means that it suits him better than 
the other choices. I suspect the same goes for your choice of
an O/S. 

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On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 17:58 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

[snip]

Please copy this down and put it on a sticky note on your monitor:

PLEASE SHUT UP ANTHONY.


Do you find it strange that you get so much flack in pseudo-technical
discussions?  Your understanding of the technology and the issues
surrounding it are horrendously amateur.  Please dump your subscription
to PC World.

Subscribers of freebsd mailing lists, please simply plonk him and move
on.  He will not concede when proved wrong and insists on the last word.
Google him - I found him arguing friggin breastfeeding with female
pediatricians!!

Don't feed the trolls.





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In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:41:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, darren kirby 
 writes:

>quoth the David Kelly:
>
>> Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly
>> ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to
>> one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of
>> "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still
>> can't think outside of that box.
>
>I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. Sure there are thousands of
>people coming to Linux because they 'hate' MS. Sure they don't know gcc from
>ppc but I don't think it is fair to call them the 'community', rather a small
>subset. Do you think these people are writing any software? Are they
>designing programming interfaces? Do they have a damn thing to do with the
>development of Linux or any of its supporting software? Hell no. They are
>just users clogging up the message boards and mailing lists with stupid
>questions. "Human Interface"? Am I missing something? Can you please tell me
>where the much superior FreeBSD human interface can be downloaded? In the
>console they are pretty much the same keystroke for keystroke, and on the
>desktop it is all the same software...
>
>I run FreeBSD and Linux, and I love them both. I am trying to point out that
>when you slam Linux developers with pettiness and name calling that you are
>no better than all the lusers slamming MS, and thinking they're leet because
>they installed Fedora? I have noticed a lot of this on FreeBSD lists, and I
>think it is counterproductive because it is unprofessional and in the end
>more people using Linux means more people running free software which
>benefits _all_ of us...and besides, it is offensive to people like me that
>just like playing with 'nix boxes and run both.
>
>Why can't you just run your FreeBSD and feel superior, silently?
>
>> Look closely at the BSD community and you'll find those who are working
>> at creating a better tool to serve their needs. Much debate about
>> exactly what constitutes "better" so there is also quite a bit of
>> experimenting. What you won't find is Microsoft as the yardstick by
>> which BSD's measure.

I think you are all just plain off the mark. People use what they
use because it suits their needs best. If you can't program then 
source code is useless, and if you don't know much about networking
you might not be able to get linux or any unix to work at all. You
don't generally hear secretaries whining about not having source;
they just want the thing to work.

In all walks of life, people choose what suits them best. Just 
because someone is a republican doesn't mean he's a right-wing
anti-abortionist. It just means that it suits him better than 
the other choices. I suspect the same goes for your choice of
an O/S. 

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> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:51:41AM -0500, Clayton Scott Kern wrote:
> >
> > Why not use keychain and put it in the appropriate rc file (.bashrc,
> > cshrc, etc.), then you'll be connected to the agent automatically.

My bad. 

Please disregard my previous email.

I apologise !

Your suggestion is great. 

What I didn't realise is that keychain is a great tool which resides
in /usr/ports/security/keychain and it does this:

"allowing you to easily have one long-running ssh-agent process per
system, rather than per login session."

as its web site states:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/keychain/index.xml


Thank you Clayton !

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Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> Many wordprocessors write in Microsoft Word format these days.

Currently I use Quark XPress instead of Word, as Word is too bloated and
too uncontrollable, and does not produce output suitable for
professional printing.

> That is what AW used to layout my book, as a matter of fact.  It's
> currently the defacto standard in the publishing industry because
> they can go directly from it to a printing press.

Yes, that's why I like it.

> But it is rediculously expensive at $1,045.00 SRP.

That's cheap. In Europe, it sells for about €2500, and it requires a
dongle. But it is likely to disappear slowly in the future, as it is
overpriced and is taking a beating from the steadily rising InDesign.
Unfortunately, Adobe isn't much better than Quark in its attitude, and
that will only get worse.

> IMHO this is self-defeating.  Very few book authors would spend this
> for writing software, and the publishers (like AW) spend millions a
> year in retyping costs to take manuscripts from printouts and such
> to stick them into Quark.  Quark is really vulnerable from being
> disloged from this monopoly.

It is indeed vulnerable, and the battle has already begun.  Quark
severely abused its dominant position (such as with the price gouging
mentioned above), and now nobody wants to buy its more recent versions,
leaving it with a dwindling revenue stream.  Adobe is attacking with
InDesign, with increasing success.  It may going out of the frying pan
and into the fire with InDesign, though.

> I can see that Quark is already starting to fight a rearguard action
> as they are dumping copies of it at the educational price into the
> academic market, now. (where a lot of books originate)

Too little, too late, IMO.

> You should at least check out Scribus http://www.scribus.org.uk/
> This is an open source project that is aiming to replace Quark
> There has already been one book published with it.  While perhaps
> you might not be able to use it now, give it another 5 years and
> it might do it.  I would have probably used this for writing mine
> if it had been available then.

DTP programs are unusual in that they need only be able to write clean
PostScript to succeed.  The native file formats are relatively
unimportant.  I was able to move from PageMaker to Quark with relatively
minimal fuss, for example, as they both produce clean PostScript as
output.

> YOU personally might not.  But you were originally arguing that
> FreeBSD was unsuitable for a desktop OS.  Now I see this is subtly
> changing, you are now only arguing that FreeBSD is unsuitable for
> YOUR desktop OS.

No, I'm still arguing that it is generally unsuitable for the desktop.

When my mom and dad can run FreeBSD with the same ease and advantages
that they can for Windows, I will know that FreeBSD is suitable for the
desktop.

> Now, most people aren't going to be using Winterms but the point is
> that people have wildly varying needs, and many of them could in
> fact use FreeBSD successfully as a desktop OS.

FreeBSD could be used as an OS on the desktop under certain conditions,
but a "native" FreeBSD desktop might not look anything like Windows.

For example, the FreeBSD console itself is in fact a desktop, it just
doesn't look like anything that lovers and haters of Windows would want.

> Tell that to Microsoft then.

I've tried.  In fact, I tried this very day, without much success.

> The new versions of Word, Excel, etc ARE ANOTHER PROGRAMS the training
> required to bring most of the office users up to speed on them is
> considerable.

An increasing number of sites just don't bother to upgrade at all.  I
haven't upgraded Office since 1997.  And even the 1997 version still
does more than I want or need, but that was the current version when I
bought it.

> I know this from experience I used to work as a sysadmin for a number
> of years and worked at several companies. I always hated when
> Microsoft brought out new versions of software because users would
> pester me with support questions for MONTHS after updating them. The
> worse offenders in fact were usually the same people who were the
> biggest pushers to get updated.

They are probably people who really weren't doing much with their PCs.
People who have time to worry about and pine after updates are usually
wasting their machines.  People who have to do real work never are
interested in updating anything unless the update is required to allow
them to do something essential that they cannot currently do.

> And the few times I tried telling the user's supervisors to tell them
> to go get training, I was rebuffed with the "that's what we are paying
> you for" line.

The job of a sysadmin is a thankless one.  Hopefully they got the idiot
they deserved after you left.

> So, don't give me the bullcrap about people wanting to stay with what
> they know.  They don't.

They do if they are doing serious work.  But if you have a lot of
goof-offs who spend their days just playing on the PC, they'll
constantly whine for new updates, so that they can have new toys.  I
don't recall ever encountering a user with a serious need for a computer
begging for an upgrade.  It was usually more like "do I have to?"  But
the goldbricks were always chomping at the bit to install something new.

> You just don't get it.  It just doesen't work like that in reality.

It depends on your user base.

> In reality, what happens in these companies is that you get 1 or 2
> power users, or more commonly, people who think they are power users
> but are just wannabes, who read the marketing literature saying how
> the new version is going to be so much easier and faster.  They then
> go get copies of the new stuff (often expensing it in violation of
> internal company policy) and load it on their PC, then call in IT when
> that blows up something on their PC because now they can't work and
> it's an emergency.

Just say no.  If management doesn't back you up, you're working for the
wrong company.

I know lots of places where users will never upgrade anything unless
they are forced to, and even then IT has to do it for them, since they
don't know how.  They never ask for updates or upgrades.  They just use
the PC for work, and then they turn it off and go home.  There are no
games on their machines, the machines are old and barely work, the
monitors are faded beyond anything I'd tolerate, but they don't care.
It's just a tool to them, like a stapler.  As long as it works well
enough for them to do their jobs, they are indifferent.

> Has it really escaped you that the vast majority of the US adult
> population is very uninterested in this activity?

No.  That's why Windows is the best choice.  Anything else on the
desktop requires a lot more thinking and time and effort, and most
people don't want to waste time and thought on their PCs.

> easy does not always equal best.

It does for people who just do not care about computers.

> The principle and most obvious reason is cost - an Open Source solution
> is cheaper - assuming the costs we are talking about are overall, long
> term costs.

If the _only_ cost were licensing, that might be true.  But that's not
the only cost.

> Think of it this way.  Supposing that you personally were not required
> to output in Quark file format to your customers.  (we will assume for
> the moment that all other file formats you output in can be produced
> by open source software)  Suppose you have another 30 years of work
> before you retire.  Suppose that you generate your current and future
> income from these desktop applications.
>
> Right now you only know your Windows desktop apps and your looking
> at the UNIX apps and thinking about the big learning curve that
> you would have to go over to switch to them before you could become
> as equally productive.  (I'm of course ignoring the gaming apps which
> are transitory and produce little of anything of value, and can be argued
> that time wasted on them is being stolen from much healthier games
> such as physical activity games that will keep you from having a coronary
> at age 50)
>
> You know that during that learning curve you will be spending a lot
> of time on it, as time=money, this represents a significant cost to you.
> SO your asking why spend the money?
>
> The answer is that if you stay with the commercial software, over your
> lifetime you will have spent a much larger portion of your income on
> commercial software, than if you take the cost now of switching over,
> beause those commercial companies cannot survive without a revenue
> stream, and they get this by constant upgrading.  That upgrading also
> raises your lifetime hardware costs significantly.

But they cannot force me to upgrade, and I don't.  Most of the software
I'm using now has not been upgraded in years.

As you say, the software companies need to sell upgrades in order to
maintain their revenues streams.  A corollary of that is that users can
avoid upgrades to reduce expenditures.  And that's what I and an
increasing number of other users are doing.  And it worries a lot of big
software companies.

-- 
Anthony


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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:20 am, S Salamander wrote:
> I have a situation where I need both gpgme03 and gpgme installed.
> However, both install their includes and other files in very similar
> locations and another program I'm installing can't find the needed
> gpgme03 files.
>
> I don't believe anything else I have installed depends on gpgme03, so
> I was wondering if there was a way when installing it again I could
> specify the install directory such that I could point other apps I'm
> installing to it more directly (I think their finding the gpgme files
> when they need the gpgme03 files).
>
> Is this possible?
>
> Thanks.

If the port is prefix compliant you should be able to do

make PREFIX=/alternate base dir/

Then watch out for libraries the port installs, because
they will end up in /alternate base dir/lib.  When that happens
run ldconfig -m /alternate base dir/lib, add /alternate base dir/bin
to your path and everything should be set.

-Mike

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Warren wrote:

>How do i go about setting up a mail server on my gateway machine to collect 
>and store all email locally from the outside world etc ?
>  
>


That depends highly on how your clarify your question.  You
should certainly be reading a lot.

See the Handbook, chapter 22, for a thorough discussion
of many aspects of electronic mail.

One specific example.  I use fetchmail, from the Ports
Collection, to grab email for the whole family onto
my FreeBSD gateway/firewall at home.  It polls their
ISP mail accounts every 10 minutes.

This computer also runs a POP server, only accessible
from the LAN, and the family member's computers grab
their mail from it with whatever client they prefer.

It gives the appearance of a high-speed connection
for POP transactions, when it's really on a low b/w line.

There is a lot to learn, though, to attempt to run
most MTA's.  Unless you've got good reasons (like
you are doing this for rdksupportinc.com, your job,
etc.), I wouldn't advise running an SMTP server.

If you are the "sys admin" or "postmaster" for a domain,
give the Handbook a thorough read, as well as Googling
for documentation, checking your vendors' site (Sendmail
is the default FreeBSD MTA, see www.sendmail.org)

PostFix and Exim are two other frequently mentioned
MTAs.  FreeBSD's mail servers now run PostFix.  Their
site is www.postfix.org.

My $.02,

Kevin Kinsey

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Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> I initially ran a pirated copy of DOS on it (remember, at that time
> MS wasn't selling DOS retail) but shortly after I got it up I switched
> over to...drumroll
>
> Minix.

Ah, but anything even remotely similar to UNIX would have been superior
to MS-DOS, so that move would make perfect sense.  The situation is
different today.

At times that I've only had one computer, it has always been a MS-DOS
(in the olde days) or Windows computer.  I was tempted to try OS/2 once,
but OS/2 wasn't around long enough for me to change my mind, and it
wasn't free.  I recall using CP/M very briefly, long ago.

I like FreeBSD because it gives me something nice to run as a server.
Windows is too expensive and too bloated for server use.  My oldest
machine does indeed run Windows NT Server 4.0 (as a PDC, no less), but I
never actually used it in a server capacity--I was just trying to
foresee the unforeseeable.  By the time I actually needed a server of my
own, I had discovered FreeBSD.

-- 
Anthony


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Bart Silverstrim writes:

> "It's not part of the OS!"
>
> Fine.  Will MS let me buy just the kernel?

No, but you don't have to buy or install most of the drivers.  If you
run with only required default drivers, the system will be stable.

> Extend it a little more, even MS argued that Internet Explorer was part
> of the operating system and could not be unbundled.  For their product
> definition, it was part of the OS.  Technically, it was not.  
> Practically, it was.

They tried very hard to make it part of the OS, which was a serious
mistake, but they were very taken with the whole idea of web-everything
at the time.

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Bart Silverstrim writes:

> "They" were an outside team that worked on VMS.  "They" started NT
> before Windows became a marketing drone's dream.  The Windows subsystem
> became the default subsystem after Windows 3.x took off.  Originally it
> wasn't going to have a GUI.

Oh well ... it's a bit late to dream about what could have been.

As I recall, this is what caused Microsoft and IBM to part ways.  IBM
was to collaborate on the NT project.  But IBM wanted a CLI, like DOS or
OS/2, whereas Microsoft insisted that a GUI was the wave of the future
on the desktop.  As it turned out, Microsoft was right.

> Three of ours are sitting right behind me.

Unless you have eyes in the back of your head, then, you aren't looking
at their screens.

I have my FreeBSD server running right next to me.  The console always
has top running, just to give me an idea of what the server is doing.
Sometimes I just turn the monitor off.  If I need to talk to the
machine, I start a ssh session from my Windows desktop.  I often have
one or more ssh and sftp sessions open.

> They have GUIs because they thought it was easier to market.  They have
> GUIs because they're easier for novices to use as servers.  They have 
> GUIs because MS started trying to market "servers" to the workgroup and
> not corporate markets.  They have GUIs because NT was a new kid on the
> block, people were familiar with Windows, and they were able to help 
> marketing-wise slip some sales in because it was a lower learning 
> curve.  They have GUIs because believe it or not, sometimes you don't 
> need the strict definition of a "Server" in order to serve files to a 
> couple other computers in your home network and that "Server" can, in 
> fact, do double duty.

Right.

> That's two criticisms, and at this point, I really think most people
> don't give a rat's behind about the GUI in a server, since the OS 
> should be paging out unused pages to swap if the server settles down.

The GUI still requires destabilizing code in the kernel.  It still takes
up space and resources.  And, worst of all, on a GUI-oriented server
like Windows, you cannot administer the machine without using the GUI.

> Remote administration sucks, yes I'd agree.  You have to jump through
> hoops to find decent tools for reigning in Windows in many situations.

As far as I know, only a tiny fraction of all necessary administration
functions for Windows have ever been provided for in CLI interfaces.
Most of the time, you _must_ point and click.

> That surely explains their sales of XServes and RAID servers.

They're off the radar for servers.  The only people who install Apple
servers are people who are already in love with Apple desktops.  They're
kind of the inverse of people who fall in love with server operating
systems and then insist on forcing them onto the desktop as well.

> Don't want the GUI, then install Darwin.  Want GUI and remote
> admin/monitoring tools, use OS X Server.  Don't log into it, and it'll
> swap out most of the "GUI" stuff to disk.

Why not just install FreeBSD?

> They most certainly profit from MCSEs.

Yes, by training and certifying them.  But after that, they're on their
own, and out of Microsoft's revenue stream.

-- 
Anthony


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Hi Giorgos,

This seems to work.

# slocate -i -d /tmp/04vfile001_db '.wmv' |\
  perl -ne 'chomp; print "$_\0";' |\
  xargs -0 ls -ldh

Thanks for the help.  I really appreciate it!


On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 03:57:07AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas  wrote:
> 
> So, what you really want to use is:
> 
>     # slocate -i -d /tmp/04vfile001_db '.wmv$' |\
>       perl -ne 'chomp; print "$_\0";' |\
>       xargs -0 ls -l
> 
> See if that works better, please.  If not, mail me again.
> 

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On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 08:30:55PM -0600, John wrote:
> I installed firefox from the packages, and now that it seems
> like I may have Java installed, I'd like to get the two to play
> together.
> 
> I see a few different firefox plugins in /usr/ports/www, but no
> java, and I don't see any references to firefox or plugs in
> /usr/ports/java - clearly, I'm missing a piece of the puzzle.
> 
> All my hits on google have talked about rebuilding the port
> after Java is installed.  Is that what I have to do?  Is there
> no way to get a java plugin without rebuilding the whole port?

No-one have an anwer or a pointer for me? Is it necessary to install
the JDK (or JRE if we ever get one again) and then build firefox from
ports to get the Java plug-in?
-- 

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When I try to upgrade my ports I just get error messages.  Can someone
help me out?  I'll paste the output below.

Thanks

/Brian

su-2.05b# portmanager -u
portmanager 0.2.6_5 info: executing rm -f
/usr/local/share/portmanager/ports_cache.db
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PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: Creating inital data bases
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PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for missing dependent ports
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-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a
dependency of linuxpluginwrapper-20050119_1
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of
things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be installed
listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>archivers/rpm
        executing: cd /usr/portsarchivers/rpm; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsarchivers/rpm
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/portsconverters/libiconv; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsconverters/libiconv
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/autoconf213
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/automake14
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/automake14; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/automake14
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gettext
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gettext; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gettext
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gmake
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gmake; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gmake
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool13
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool13; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool13
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool15
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool15; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool15
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/m4
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/m4; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/m4
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/popt
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/popt; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/popt
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>lang/perl5.8
        executing: cd /usr/portslang/perl5.8; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portslang/perl5.8
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227[/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk] may be a
dependency of nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.6_1
verifing dependency status of cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 (may take awhile)
by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/nautilus-cd-burner; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list
of things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 dependencies that also may not be
installed
listing cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/portsconverters/libiconv; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsconverters/libiconv
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gettext
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gettext; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gettext
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gmake
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gmake; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gmake
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool15
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool15; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool15
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227[/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk] may be a
dependency of totem-0.100
verifing dependency status of cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 (may take awhile)
by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/multimedia/totem; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list
of things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 dependencies that also may not be
installed
listing cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/portsconverters/libiconv; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsconverters/libiconv
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gettext
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gettext; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gettext
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gmake
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gmake; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gmake
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool15
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool15; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool15
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a
dependency of linux-pango-1.2.1_2
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-pango; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of
things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be installed
listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>archivers/rpm
        executing: cd /usr/portsarchivers/rpm; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsarchivers/rpm
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/portsconverters/libiconv; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsconverters/libiconv
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/autoconf213
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/automake14
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/automake14; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/automake14
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gettext
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gettext; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gettext
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gmake
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gmake; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gmake
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool13
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool13; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool13
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool15
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool15; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool15
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/m4
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/m4; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/m4
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/popt
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/popt; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/popt
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>lang/perl5.8
        executing: cd /usr/portslang/perl5.8; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portslang/perl5.8
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a
dependency of apsfilter-7.2.6
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/print/apsfilter; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is no longer a dependency of apsfilter-7.2.6
 forcing rebuild of apsfilter-7.2.6 to fix
/var/db/pkg/apsfilter-7.2.6/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-8-8.0_6 may conflict with a new apsfilter-7.2.6
dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-8-8.0_6".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of apsfilter-7.2.6 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a
dependency of linux-gtk2-2.2.1_3
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of
things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be installed
listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>archivers/rpm
        executing: cd /usr/portsarchivers/rpm; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsarchivers/rpm
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/portsconverters/libiconv; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsconverters/libiconv
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/autoconf213
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/automake14
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/automake14; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/automake14
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gettext
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gettext; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gettext
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gmake
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gmake; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gmake
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool13
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool13; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool13
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool15
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool15; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool15
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/m4
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/m4; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/m4
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/popt
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/popt; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/popt
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>lang/perl5.8
        executing: cd /usr/portslang/perl5.8; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portslang/perl5.8
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for old installed ports
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Cache miss)have:expat-1.95.8              status: CURRENT: /textproc/expat2
(Cache miss)have:freetype2-2.1.7_4         status: CURRENT: /print/freetype2
(Cache miss)have:pkgconfig-0.15.0_1        status: CURRENT: /devel/pkgconfig
(Cache miss)have:fontconfig-2.2.3,1        status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/fontconfig
(Cache miss)have:imake-6.8.1               status: CURRENT: /devel/imake-6
(Cache miss)have:xorg-libraries-6.8.1_1    status: CURRENT:
/x11/xorg-libraries
(Cache miss)have:libXft-2.1.6              status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/libXft
(Cache miss)have:png-1.2.8_1               status: CURRENT: /graphics/png
(Cache miss)have:xterm-200                 status: CURRENT: /x11/xterm
(Cache miss)have:xorg-clients-6.8.1_1      status: CURRENT: /x11/xorg-clients
(Cache miss)have:xorg-manpages-6.8.1       status: CURRENT:
/x11/xorg-manpages
(Cache miss)have:xorg-documents-6.8.1      status: CURRENT:
/x11/xorg-documents
(Cache miss)have:xorg-server-6.8.1_2       status: CURRENT:
/x11-servers/xorg-server
(Cache miss)have:xorg-nestserver-6.8.1     status: CURRENT:
/x11-servers/xorg-nestserver
(Cache miss)have:xorg-printserver-6.8.1    status: CURRENT:
/x11-servers/xorg-printserver
(Cache miss)have:xorg-vfbserver-6.8.1      status: CURRENT:
/x11-servers/xorg-vfbserver
(Cache miss)have:qmake-3.3.4               status: CURRENT: /devel/qmake
(Cache miss)have:perl-5.8.6_2              status: CURRENT: /lang/perl5.8
(Cache miss)have:xorg-fonts-encodings-6.8.1 status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-encodings
(Cache miss)have:xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-6.8.1 status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps
(Cache miss)have:xorg-fonts-75dpi-6.8.1    status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-75dpi
(Cache miss)have:xorg-fonts-100dpi-6.8.1   status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-100dpi
(Cache miss)have:xorg-fonts-cyrillic-6.8.1 status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-cyrillic
(Cache miss)have:xorg-fonts-type1-6.8.1    status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-type1
(Cache miss)have:bitstream-vera-1.10       status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/bitstream-vera
(Cache miss)have:xorg-fonts-truetype-6.8.1 status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-truetype
(Cache miss)have:xorg-fontserver-6.8.1_2   status: CURRENT:
/x11-servers/xorg-fontserver
(Cache miss)have:linux_base-rh-9           status: CURRENT:
/emulators/linux_base-rh-9
(Cache miss)have:libtool-1.3.5_2           status: CURRENT: /devel/libtool13
(Cache miss)have:jpeg-6b_3                 status: CURRENT: /graphics/jpeg
(Cache miss)have:tiff-3.7.1_2              status: CURRENT: /graphics/tiff
(Cache miss)have:gnupg-1.4.0_1             status: CURRENT: /security/gnupg
(Cache miss)have:libmng-1.0.8              status: CURRENT: /graphics/libmng
(Cache miss)have:libtool-1.5.10            status: CURRENT: /devel/libtool15
(Cache miss)have:libiconv-1.9.2_1          status: CURRENT:
/converters/libiconv
(Cache miss)have:nas-1.7                   status: CURRENT: /audio/nas
(Cache miss)have:gettext-0.14.1            status: CURRENT: /devel/gettext
(Cache miss)have:gmake-3.80_2              status: CURRENT: /devel/gmake
(Cache miss)have:qt-3.3.4                  status: CURRENT:
/x11-toolkits/qt33
(Cache miss)have:m4-1.4.1                  status: CURRENT: /devel/m4
(Cache miss)have:p5-gettext-1.03           status: CURRENT:
/devel/p5-Locale-gettext
(Cache miss)have:help2man-1.34.2           status: CURRENT: /misc/help2man
(Cache miss)have:autoconf-2.59_2           status: CURRENT:
/devel/autoconf259
(Cache miss)have:samba-libsmbclient-3.0.11_1 status: CURRENT:
/net/samba-libsmbclient
(Cache miss)have:libmad-0.15.1b_1          status: CURRENT: /audio/libmad
(Cache miss)have:libart_lgpl2-2.3.17       status: CURRENT:
/graphics/libart_lgpl2
(Cache miss)have:libaudiofile-0.2.6        status: CURRENT:
/audio/libaudiofile
(Cache miss)have:libxml2-2.6.17            status: CURRENT: /textproc/libxml2
(Cache miss)have:gnutls-1.0.24             status: CURRENT: /security/gnutls
(Cache miss)have:glib-2.4.8                status: CURRENT: /devel/glib20
(Cache miss)have:libvorbis-1.1.0_1,3       status: CURRENT: /audio/libvorbis
(Cache miss)have:arts-1.3.2,1              status: CURRENT: /audio/arts
(Cache miss)have:aspell-0.60.2             status: CURRENT: /textproc/aspell
(Cache miss)have:cups-base-1.1.23.0_3      status: CURRENT: /print/cups-base
(Cache miss)have:autoconf-2.53_3           status: CURRENT:
/devel/autoconf253
(Cache miss)have:automake-1.5_2,1          status: CURRENT: /devel/automake15
(Cache miss)have:fam-2.6.9_6               status: CURRENT: /devel/fam
(Cache miss)have:gengetopt-2.11            status: CURRENT: /devel/gengetopt
(Cache miss)have:libidn-0.5.13             status: CURRENT: /devel/libidn
(Cache miss)have:unzip-5.51                status: CURRENT: /archivers/unzip
(Cache miss)have:jasper-1.701.0            status: CURRENT: /graphics/jasper
(Cache miss)have:rpm2cpio-1.2_2            status: CURRENT:
/archivers/rpm2cpio
(Cache miss)have:pcre-5.0                  status: CURRENT: /devel/pcre
(Cache miss)have:openldap-client-2.2.23    status: CURRENT:
/net/openldap22-client
(Cache miss)have:kdelibs-3.3.2_4           status: CURRENT: /x11/kdelibs3
(Cache miss)have:artswrapper-1.2.1_1       status: CURRENT:
/audio/artswrapper
(Cache miss)have:kdebase-3.3.2_1           status: CURRENT: /x11/kdebase3
(Cache miss)have:cdrtools-2.01             status: CURRENT:
/sysutils/cdrtools
(Cache miss)have:net-snmp-5.2.1            status: CURRENT:
/net-mgmt/net-snmp
(Cache miss)have:libgpg-error-1.0_1        status: CURRENT:
/security/libgpg-error
(Cache miss)have:gtk-2.4.14_2              status: CURRENT:
/x11-toolkits/gtk20
(Cache miss)have:gsfonts-8.11_2            status: CURRENT: /print/gsfonts
(Cache miss)have:ghostscript-gnu-7.07_12   status: CURRENT:
/print/ghostscript-gnu
(Cache miss)have:xpdf-3.00_6               status: CURRENT: /graphics/xpdf
(Cache miss)have:jbigkit-1.6               status: CURRENT: /graphics/jbigkit
(Cache miss)have:libwmf-0.2.8.3            status: CURRENT: /graphics/libwmf
(Cache miss)have:OpenEXR-1.2.1_1           status: CURRENT: /graphics/OpenEXR
(Cache miss)have:mpeg2codec-1.2_1          status: CURRENT:
/multimedia/mpeg2codec
(Cache miss)have:ImageMagick-6.1.9.2       status: CURRENT:
/graphics/ImageMagick
(Cache miss)have:bison-1.75_2              status: CURRENT: /devel/bison
(Cache miss)have:tcl-8.4.7,1               status: CURRENT: /lang/tcl84
(Cache miss)have:tk-8.4.7,2                status: CURRENT:
/x11-toolkits/tk84
(Cache miss)have:graphviz-1.16             status: CURRENT:
/graphics/graphviz
(Cache miss)have:libcdio-0.72              status: CURRENT: /sysutils/libcdio
(Cache miss)have:libgsf-1.10.1             status: CURRENT: /devel/libgsf
(Cache miss)have:wv2-0.2.2                 status: CURRENT: /textproc/wv2
(Cache miss)have:WordNet-2.0               status: CURRENT: /textproc/wordnet
(Cache miss)have:openslp-1.0.11_1          status: CURRENT: /net/openslp
(Cache miss)have:qca-tls-1.0_1             status: CURRENT: /security/qca-tls
(Cache miss)have:fribidi-0.10.4_1          status: CURRENT:
/converters/fribidi
(Cache miss)have:libglut-6.0.1             status: CURRENT: /graphics/libglut
(Cache miss)have:t1lib-5.0.1,1             status: CURRENT: /devel/t1lib
(Cache miss)have:open-motif-2.2.3_1        status: CURRENT:
/x11-toolkits/open-motif
(Cache miss)have:koffice-1.3.5_2,1         status: CURRENT:
/editors/koffice-kde3
(Cache miss)have:imlib-1.9.15_2            status: CURRENT: /graphics/imlib
(Cache miss)have:glib-1.2.10_11            status: CURRENT: /devel/glib12
(Cache miss)have:gtk-1.2.10_12             status: CURRENT:
/x11-toolkits/gtk12
(Cache miss)have:python-2.4_1              status: CURRENT: /lang/python
(Cache miss)have:libungif-4.1.3            status: CURRENT:
/graphics/libungif
(Cache miss)have:nasm-0.98.39,1            status: CURRENT: /devel/nasm
(Cache miss)have:kdegraphics-kuickshow-3.3.2 status: CURRENT:
/graphics/kuickshow
(Cache miss)have:libusb-0.1.7_1            status: CURRENT: /devel/libusb
(Cache miss)have:gnokii-0.6.4,1            status: CURRENT: /comms/gnokii
(Cache miss)have:libgphoto2-2.1.5          status: CURRENT:
/graphics/libgphoto2
(Cache miss)have:kdegraphics-kamera-3.3.2  status: CURRENT: /graphics/kamera
(Cache miss)have:kdegraphics-3.3.2_2       status: CURRENT:
/graphics/kdegraphics3
(Cache miss)have:javavmwrapper-2.0_3       status: CURRENT:
/java/javavmwrapper
(Cache miss)have:flac-1.1.0_4              status: CURRENT: /audio/flac
(Cache miss)have:cdparanoia-3.9.8_7        status: CURRENT: /audio/cdparanoia
(Cache miss)have:libmusicbrainz-2.1.1      status: CURRENT:
/audio/libmusicbrainz
(Cache miss)have:speex-1.0.4_1,1           status: CURRENT: /audio/speex
(Cache miss)have:libtunepimp-0.3.0_1       status: CURRENT:
/audio/libtunepimp
(Cache miss)have:djbfft-0.76_1             status: CURRENT: /math/djbfft
(Cache miss)have:aalib-1.4.r5_1            status: CURRENT: /graphics/aalib
(Cache miss)have:svgalib-1.4.3_4           status: CURRENT: /graphics/svgalib
(Cache miss)have:sdl-1.2.8,2               status: CURRENT: /devel/sdl12
(Cache miss)have:taglib-1.3.1              status: CURRENT: /audio/taglib
(Cache miss)have:liba52-0.7.4_1            status: CURRENT: /audio/liba52
(Cache miss)have:libdvdcss-1.2.8_1         status: CURRENT:
/multimedia/libdvdcss
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------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for installed ports built with old
dependencies
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
OLD kdeutils-3.3.2 built with old dependency samba-libsmbclient-3.0.10_1,
current dependency is samba-libsmbclient-3.0.1
1_1
OLD kde-3.3.2 built with old dependency samba-libsmbclient-3.0.10_1,
current dependency is samba-libsmbclient-3.0.11_1
OLD mplayer-gtk-esound-0.99.5_6 built with old dependency gnutls-1.0.21_1,
current dependency is gnutls-1.0.24
OLD gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 built with old dependency gnupg-1.4.0, current
dependency is gnupg-1.4.0_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
status report finished
========================================================================
------------------------------------------------------------------------
UPGRADING linux_base-8-8.0_6 reason MISSING is a dependency of
linuxpluginwrapper-20050119_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
intitial clean of work directories
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #1 of 8  cd
/usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make clean
------------------------------------------------------------------------
===>  Cleaning for rpm-3.0.6_9
===>  Cleaning for libiconv-1.9.2_1
===>  Cleaning for autoconf-2.13.000227_5
===>  Cleaning for automake-1.4.6_1
===>  Cleaning for gettext-0.14.1
===>  Cleaning for gmake-3.80_2
===>  Cleaning for libtool-1.3.5_2
===>  Cleaning for libtool-1.5.10
===>  Cleaning for m4-1.4.1
===>  Cleaning for popt-1.7
===>  Cleaning for perl-5.8.6_2
===>  Cleaning for linux_base-8-8.0_6
------------------------------------------------------------------------
update linux_base-8-8.0_6
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #2 of 8  cd
/usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make
------------------------------------------------------------------------
===>  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
===>  Extracting for linux_base-8-8.0_6
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/redhat-release-8.0-8.noarch.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/glibc-common-2.3.2-4.80.8.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/glibc-2.3.2-4.80.8.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/setup-2.5.20-1.noarch.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/filesystem-2.1.6-5.noarch.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/basesystem-8.0-1.noarch.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/libattr-2.0.8-3.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/libacl-2.0.11-2.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/libelf-0.8.2-2.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/bzip2-libs-1.0.2-5.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/termcap-11.0.1-13.noarch.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/compat-db-3.3.11-2.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/db4-4.0.14-14.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/gdbm-1.8.0-18.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/glib-1.2.10-8.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/libtermcap-2.0.8-31.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/bash-2.05b-5.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/bzip2-1.0.2-5.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/ncurses-5.2-28.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/info-4.2-5.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/grep-2.5.1-4.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/fileutils-4.1.9-11.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/popt-1.7-1.06.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/readline-4.3-3.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/setserial-2.17-9.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/libstdc++-3.2-7.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/slang-1.4.5-11.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/sh-utils-2.0.12-3.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/rpm-4.1-1.06.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/libgcc-3.2-7.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/freetype-2.1.5-0.ximian.5.1.i386.rpm.
=> Checksum OK for rpm/i386/8.0/zlib-1.1.4-8.8x.i386.rpm.
===>  Patching for linux_base-8-8.0_6
===>   linux_base-8-8.0_6 depends on executable: rpm - found
===>  Configuring for linux_base-8-8.0_6
------------------------------------------------------------------------
backing up installed linux_base-8-8.0_6 before removing it
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #3 of 8 cd /tmp; pkg_create -b
linux_base-8-8.0_6
------------------------------------------------------------------------
pkg_create: can't find package 'linux_base-8-8.0_6' installed!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
removing old linux_base-8-8.0_6
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #4 of 8 pkg_delete -f linux_base-8-8.0_6
------------------------------------------------------------------------
pkg_delete: no such package 'linux_base-8-8.0_6' installed
------------------------------------------------------------------------
trying one more way to remove linux_base-8-8.0_6...
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #4 of 8  cd
/usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make deinstall
------------------------------------------------------------------------
===>  Deinstalling for emulators/linux_base-8
===>   linux_base-8 not installed, skipping
------------------------------------------------------------------------
installing updated /emulators/linux_base-8
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #5 of 8 cd
/usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make reinstall
------------------------------------------------------------------------
===>  Installing for linux_base-8-8.0_6

===>  linux_base-8-8.0_6 conflicts with installed package(s):
      linux_base-rh-9

      They install files into the same place.
      Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
restoring original port from backup
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #5!! ***Emergancy restore***  pkg_add
/tmp/linux_base-8-8.0_6.tgz
------------------------------------------------------------------------
pkg_add: can't stat package file '/tmp/linux_base-8-8.0_6.tgz'
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 error: FAILED TO RESTORE BACKUP COPY, really sorry !
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 info: adding /emulators/linux_base-8 to ignore.db
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: Creating inital data bases
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for missing dependent ports
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a
dependency of linuxpluginwrapper-20050119_1
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of
things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be installed
listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>archivers/rpm
        executing: cd /usr/portsarchivers/rpm; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsarchivers/rpm
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/portsconverters/libiconv; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsconverters/libiconv
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/autoconf213
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/automake14
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/automake14; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/automake14
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gettext
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gettext; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gettext
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gmake
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gmake; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gmake
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool13
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool13; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool13
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool15
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool15; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool15
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/m4
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/m4; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/m4
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/popt
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/popt; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/popt
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>lang/perl5.8
        executing: cd /usr/portslang/perl5.8; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portslang/perl5.8
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227[/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk] may be a
dependency of nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.6_1
verifing dependency status of cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 (may take awhile)
by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/nautilus-cd-burner; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list
of things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 dependencies that also may not be
installed
listing cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/portsconverters/libiconv; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsconverters/libiconv
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gettext
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gettext; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gettext
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gmake
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gmake; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gmake
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool15
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool15; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool15
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227[/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk] may be a
dependency of totem-0.100
verifing dependency status of cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 (may take awhile)
by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/multimedia/totem; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list
of things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 dependencies that also may not be
installed
listing cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/portsconverters/libiconv; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsconverters/libiconv
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gettext
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gettext; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gettext
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gmake
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gmake; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gmake
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool15
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool15; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool15
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a
dependency of linux-pango-1.2.1_2
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-pango; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of
things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be installed
listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>archivers/rpm
        executing: cd /usr/portsarchivers/rpm; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsarchivers/rpm
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/portsconverters/libiconv; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsconverters/libiconv
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/autoconf213
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/automake14
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/automake14; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/automake14
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gettext
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gettext; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gettext
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gmake
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gmake; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gmake
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool13
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool13; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool13
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool15
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool15; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool15
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/m4
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/m4; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/m4
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/popt
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/popt; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/popt
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>lang/perl5.8
        executing: cd /usr/portslang/perl5.8; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portslang/perl5.8
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a
dependency of apsfilter-7.2.6
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/print/apsfilter; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is no longer a dependency of apsfilter-7.2.6
 forcing rebuild of apsfilter-7.2.6 to fix
/var/db/pkg/apsfilter-7.2.6/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-8-8.0_6 may conflict with a new apsfilter-7.2.6
dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-8-8.0_6".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of apsfilter-7.2.6 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a
dependency of linux-gtk2-2.2.1_3
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of
things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be installed
listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>archivers/rpm
        executing: cd /usr/portsarchivers/rpm; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsarchivers/rpm
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/portsconverters/libiconv; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsconverters/libiconv
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/autoconf213
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/autoconf213
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/automake14
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/automake14; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/automake14
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gettext
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gettext; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gettext
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/gmake
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/gmake; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/gmake
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool13
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool13; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool13
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/libtool15
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/libtool15; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/libtool15
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/m4
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/m4; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/m4
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>devel/popt
        executing: cd /usr/portsdevel/popt; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portsdevel/popt
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
dependency -=>lang/perl5.8
        executing: cd /usr/portslang/perl5.8; make describe
cd: can't cd to /usr/portslang/perl5.8
make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
  *  *  *  *
adding  to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for old installed ports
------------------------------------------------------------------------
have:expat-1.95.8              status: CURRENT: /textproc/expat2
have:freetype2-2.1.7_4         status: CURRENT: /print/freetype2
have:pkgconfig-0.15.0_1        status: CURRENT: /devel/pkgconfig
have:fontconfig-2.2.3,1        status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/fontconfig
have:imake-6.8.1               status: CURRENT: /devel/imake-6
have:xorg-libraries-6.8.1_1    status: CURRENT: /x11/xorg-libraries
have:libXft-2.1.6              status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/libXft
have:png-1.2.8_1               status: CURRENT: /graphics/png
have:xterm-200                 status: CURRENT: /x11/xterm
have:xorg-clients-6.8.1_1      status: CURRENT: /x11/xorg-clients
have:xorg-manpages-6.8.1       status: CURRENT: /x11/xorg-manpages
have:xorg-documents-6.8.1      status: CURRENT: /x11/xorg-documents
have:xorg-server-6.8.1_2       status: CURRENT: /x11-servers/xorg-server
have:xorg-nestserver-6.8.1     status: CURRENT: /x11-servers/xorg-nestserver
have:xorg-printserver-6.8.1    status: CURRENT: /x11-servers/xorg-printserver
have:xorg-vfbserver-6.8.1      status: CURRENT: /x11-servers/xorg-vfbserver
have:qmake-3.3.4               status: CURRENT: /devel/qmake
have:perl-5.8.6_2              status: CURRENT: /lang/perl5.8
have:xorg-fonts-encodings-6.8.1 status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-encodings
have:xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-6.8.1 status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps
have:xorg-fonts-75dpi-6.8.1    status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-75dpi
have:xorg-fonts-100dpi-6.8.1   status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-100dpi
have:xorg-fonts-cyrillic-6.8.1 status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-cyrillic
have:xorg-fonts-type1-6.8.1    status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-type1
have:bitstream-vera-1.10       status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/bitstream-vera
have:xorg-fonts-truetype-6.8.1 status: CURRENT:
/x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-truetype
have:xorg-fontserver-6.8.1_2   status: CURRENT: /x11-servers/xorg-fontserver
have:linux_base-rh-9           status: CURRENT: /emulators/linux_base-rh-9
have:libtool-1.3.5_2           status: CURRENT: /devel/libtool13
have:jpeg-6b_3                 status: CURRENT: /graphics/jpeg
have:tiff-3.7.1_2              status: CURRENT: /graphics/tiff
have:gnupg-1.4.0_1             status: CURRENT: /security/gnupg
have:libmng-1.0.8              status: CURRENT: /graphics/libmng
have:libtool-1.5.10            status: CURRENT: /devel/libtool15
have:libiconv-1.9.2_1          status: CURRENT: /converters/libiconv
have:nas-1.7                   status: CURRENT: /audio/nas
have:gettext-0.14.1            status: CURRENT: /devel/gettext
have:gmake-3.80_2              status: CURRENT: /devel/gmake
have:qt-3.3.4                  status: CURRENT: /x11-toolkits/qt33
have:m4-1.4.1                  status: CURRENT: /devel/m4
have:p5-gettext-1.03           status: CURRENT: /devel/p5-Locale-gettext
have:help2man-1.34.2           status: CURRENT: /misc/help2man
have:autoconf-2.59_2           status: CURRENT: /devel/autoconf259
have:samba-libsmbclient-3.0.11_1 status: CURRENT: /net/samba-libsmbclient
have:libmad-0.15.1b_1          status: CURRENT: /audio/libmad
have:libart_lgpl2-2.3.17       status: CURRENT: /graphics/libart_lgpl2
have:libaudiofile-0.2.6        status: CURRENT: /audio/libaudiofile
have:libxml2-2.6.17            status: CURRENT: /textproc/libxml2
have:gnutls-1.0.24             status: CURRENT: /security/gnutls
have:glib-2.4.8                status: CURRENT: /devel/glib20
have:libvorbis-1.1.0_1,3       status: CURRENT: /audio/libvorbis
have:arts-1.3.2,1              status: CURRENT: /audio/arts
have:aspell-0.60.2             status: CURRENT: /textproc/aspell
have:cups-base-1.1.23.0_3      status: CURRENT: /print/cups-base
have:autoconf-2.53_3           status: CURRENT: /devel/autoconf253
have:automake-1.5_2,1          status: CURRENT: /devel/automake15
have:fam-2.6.9_6               status: CURRENT: /devel/fam
have:gengetopt-2.11            status: CURRENT: /devel/gengetopt
have:libidn-0.5.13             status: CURRENT: /devel/libidn
have:unzip-5.51                status: CURRENT: /archivers/unzip
have:jasper-1.701.0            status: CURRENT: /graphics/jasper
have:rpm2cpio-1.2_2            status: CURRENT: /archivers/rpm2cpio
have:pcre-5.0                  status: CURRENT: /devel/pcre
have:openldap-client-2.2.23    status: CURRENT: /net/openldap22-client
have:kdelibs-3.3.2_4           status: CURRENT: /x11/kdelibs3
have:artswrapper-1.2.1_1       status: CURRENT: /audio/artswrapper
have:kdebase-3.3.2_1           status: CURRENT: /x11/kdebase3
have:cdrtools-2.01             status: CURRENT: /sysutils/cdrtools
have:net-snmp-5.2.1            status: CURRENT: /net-mgmt/net-snmp
have:libgpg-error-1.0_1        status: CURRENT: /security/libgpg-error
have:gtk-2.4.14_2              status: CURRENT: /x11-toolkits/gtk20
have:gsfonts-8.11_2            status: CURRENT: /print/gsfonts
have:ghostscript-gnu-7.07_12   status: CURRENT: /print/ghostscript-gnu
have:xpdf-3.00_6               status: CURRENT: /graphics/xpdf
have:jbigkit-1.6               status: CURRENT: /graphics/jbigkit
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upgrade 0.2.6_5 error: PMGRrDoUpgrade error during initial make clean
portmanager 0.2.6_5 error: PMGRrUpGrade returned errorCode 1

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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:03 am, John wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 08:30:55PM -0600, John wrote:
> > I installed firefox from the packages, and now that it seems
> > like I may have Java installed, I'd like to get the two to play
> > together.
> >
> > I see a few different firefox plugins in /usr/ports/www, but no
> > java, and I don't see any references to firefox or plugs in
> > /usr/ports/java - clearly, I'm missing a piece of the puzzle.
> >
> > All my hits on google have talked about rebuilding the port
> > after Java is installed.  Is that what I have to do?  Is there
> > no way to get a java plugin without rebuilding the whole port?
>
> No-one have an anwer or a pointer for me? Is it necessary to install
> the JDK (or JRE if we ever get one again) and then build firefox from
> ports to get the Java plug-in?

That isn't where you look from my experience. I have
/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java
and it changes with the version. That is what I add in mozilla.

Kent

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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:02 am, Gerhard Schmidt wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 06:15:18PM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote:
> > On Sunday 13 February 2005 02:02 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ean Kingston" 
> > > To: 
> > > Cc: "Paul Schmehl" 
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff
> > >
> > > > I stopped using portupgrade because it only upgrades ports that
> > > > are out-of date. It then modifies the installed software
> > > > database to change any dependencies that relied on the old port
> > > > to show them as relying on the new
> > > > port.
> > > >
> > > > For most ports, this works. For Perl, particularly mod_perl,
> > > > this doesn't work. If you install a new perl you have to
> > > > rebuild everything that depends
> > > > on perl even if it hasn't been updated.
> > > >
> > > > So I stopped using portupgrade.
> > >
> > > Wouldn't it make more sense to fix mod_perl?  (Or portupgrade -
> > > whichever one is the culprit?)  All the ports that depended upon
> > > perl appear to have had their dependencies updated properly
> > > except for libwww and mod_perl. ISTM, fixing those two ports
> > > makes more sense.
> > >
> > > If you don't use portupgrade, then what *do* you do?  Wouldn't
> > > you have to deinstall and reinstall every port that depended upon
> > > perl? Or will pkgdb -F do the trick?
> >
> > Pkgdb -F is what screws up the installed ports registry. Here is an
> > example of what happens:
> >
> > 1. port-A needs dependency port-B installed
> > 2. port-B is installed
> > 3. port-A is installed and marks its registry as being dependent on
> > port-B
> >
> > and here is where things go wrong using sysutils/portupgrade:
> >
> > 4. port-B gets upgraded to port-B.1 and portupgrade reports port-A
> > has a stale dependency.
> >
> >   Then you run pkgdb -F and port-A's registry is changed to say it
> > was built with port-B.1, portupgrade claims this "fixes" the
> > registry when it really breaks it.
> >
> > Remember, port-A was built with port-B, not port-B.1 and the
> > correct way to "fix" the stale dependency is to upgrade port-A so
> > it is built with the newer dependency.
> >
> > sysutils/portmanager also updates ports, put it doesn't cheat. When
> > port-B became port-B.1 portmanager will rebuild port-A using
> > port-B.1 as the dependency.  port-A's registry stays reliable,
> > reflecting how the
>
> I don't see why any port should be rebuild just because a Port it
> depend on is updated. In more than 99% of all cases this is not
> needed. you whould en up in rebuilding openoffice or mozilla/firefox
> quite often.

Building openoffice from sources is foolish for most people anyways,
in portmanager a sensible person would -ip it and only use the
openoffice package.  mozilla/firefox do much better if you rebuild them
after their dependencies change.  I run firefox and never have the sort
of problems with it that people report in freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org

Most of the /usr/ports/UPDATING entries can be avoided if ports
are built in the correct order and the +CONTENTS entries are kept 
accurate of each port. I test portmanager by setting my ports tree back
to 2004.12.01 then upgrading everything backwards, then upgrading
everything from 2004.12.01 to the present just to make sure it can
handle the UPDATING entries automatically.

I can do this because all +CONTENTS files on my system are accurate.

In reply to your short statement:

" I don't see why any port should be rebuild just because a Port it 
depend on is updated. In more than 99% of all cases this is not needed"

that last 1% can sure wreck havock when not properly upgraded.
>
> Correct me if im wrong. But most of the problem was caused by the
> fact that the installation directory of the perl modules has changed
> with the update. That's a Problem that ist unique to script languages
> like perl, ruby and python, and don't affect the vast majority of the
> Ports.
>
> Most ob the dependencies a of the type program A uses program B or
> program A uses a library ob program B. In both cases there is no
> need for an update of program A when program B is updated because
> programm a will work well with the new version of program b or more
> than just a recomile is needed to make it work with the new version.
>
> I might have helped if with the update of the perl ports all ports
> depending on perl would have been version bumped. So portupgrade had
> updated them with the perl port automaticly.

Why should all ports be bumbed when they haven't changed? Portmanager
knew to rebuild them without the version bump. Why should 
portmaintainers have to modify their ports to support portupgrade? 
Seems it should be the otherway around to me.
>
> I don't see where there is cheating with the update ob the dependency
> information.

The contents file is created when a port is installed lists exactly
what dependencies it uses at the time of installation.  Anytime
you want to see how a port was built you may run make all-depends-list,
and retrieve this info.  As long as +CONTENTS file is accurate
intellegent decisions can be made on how to upgrade the port in
changing circumstances.

Now comes along portupgrade and modifies this +CONTENTS file
and now there is no accurate record of how this port was build.

With the uncertainty caused by modifying +CONTENTS files intelligent
decisions on how to upgrade are not as reliable so we have to do work 
arounds like keeping a /usr/ports/UPDATING for example. Read through
UPDATING and see for yourself the silly hoops we make people jump 
through all because we are too lazy to keep accurate records of how 
ports are installed. 
>
> You install port A and port B. port B depends on port A.
>
> after some time you update port A to a new version. port B still
> works without a problem. But port B still has the dependency for
> the old version of port A. Some time later you try to delete
> program A. There is a hell of work to be done finding out if any of
> the ports still installed need this port if the dependency
> information is not consisten with the installed version numbers. The
> dependency infomation should reflect the information what other ports
> are needed and not the information which version of a port A was
> installed on the system on building time of port B.
>
> It should be the responsibility of a Port Maintainer to decide if a
> port has to be rebuild or not. A port maintainer can trigger a
> rebuild with a bump of the port revision.

You expect the maintainer of perl to notify every maintainer of
ports that depends on perl to bump their versions?
>
> In case of such a widly dependen port like perl this bump could be
> done by the portmgr.
>
> A totaly different problem is the fact that the update of the perl
> port didn't update the information in /etc/make.conf. So the rebuild
> ob all dependend ports din't work until you called use.perl ports
> yourself after afterthe perl update.
>
> just my 2 cent.
>
> Bye
> 	Estartu
>
-Mike

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On February 15, 2005 12:09, you wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:55 am, Peterhin wrote:
> > I have just installed Freebsd 5.3 using a standard install, with
> > all packages, and ports.
> >
> > When I go to Configure X (as per the handbook 2.9.12) using
> > "Configure" Do post-install configuration of Freebsd, in the
> > Configuration menu there is no sub menu "XFree86"
> >
> > Where did I go wrong.?
>
> Use Chapter 5.4 instead:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.ht
>ml
>OK thats great, now that I am there, my problem is with  say 'ee'
how do I edit the text.?
I am a total newbie to the CLI. Any help would be appreciated.
I typed 'ee  xorg.conf.new' it gives me the editor and the 
'xorg.conf.new' at the bottom of the screen.

Now I don't know what to do with it, to get to the  Section 'Monitor'

> I have always had an easier time configuring X separately from the
> installation process.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Andrew Gould

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I have installed  apache+mod_ssl-1.3.33+2.8.22, and,
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I observed that they depend on apache-1.3.33_1. But I
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I have installed  apache+mod_ssl-1.3.33+2.8.22, and,
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I observed that they depend on apache-1.3.33_1. But I
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I have installed  apache+mod_ssl-1.3.33+2.8.22, and,
when trying to add php4-4.3.10_2 and mod_perl modules,
I observed that they depend on apache-1.3.33_1. But I
didn`t find a ssl module for apache-1.3.33_1. What
does it mean, that I can`t run a apache server with
perl, php and ssl modules installed? What can I do? I
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 05:20:32PM +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote:
> cpghost@cordula.ws wrote:
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> >1. /var *is* actually mounted on 
> >   192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var
> >   but it is not listed in mount(8)s output. Why?
> >
> >2. Which part of the system created /dev/md0 and mounted that
> >   on /var? I don't need that and would like to save some RAM
> >   anyway.
> 
> I guess you are using 5.3 or newer? the /etc/rc.d/diskless script has 
> been replaced, by among other things, a script /etc/rc.d/var which 
> creates a memory disk, /dev/md0, using up your precious ram.

Yes, it's 5.3-STABLE and /etc/rc.d/var is really the culprit!
Thanks for the hint. Now everything makes sense again. 

If the md-based /var is only needed until the nfs /var is mounted,
I could try tweaking the varsize knob in /etc/rc.conf, right?

> I have tried to remove the script but get an error because nfs wants to 
> update the /var/db/mounttab - before /var is actually mounted - so the 
> mount fails.

Exactly.

> The /etc/rc.d/var script creates a memory disk if it detects that /var 
> is read-only - which is the case since the nfs mount failed. And the 
> memory disk is then populated.
> 
> If the root partition is rw-mounted the nfs-mount will succeed.

Yes, the root partition is read-only, therefore the ramdisk.

> If you have enough ram this is not a problem, simply let var be a memory 
> disk. You can set the size of the memory disk in rc.conf.

There's plenty of RAM on the workstations; it shouldn't be a problem
to keep the ramdisk. I've done some monitoring for three weeks or
so, and there's hardly any swapping to the nfs swapfiles involved.

I only wonder if I could simply reuse /dev/md0 for something else
than var (say newfs and mounting it somewhere else, e.g. on /tmp),
because:

> > /dev/md0 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
> > 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var on /var (nfs)
> 
> Now this is wierd - how can you have to mounts on the same mount point?

That's precisely why I'm asking here! Perhaps the nfs mount is on top
of the md mount, masking the ramdisk? There's no union-fs or such
hackery involved (at least I suppose so).

> Cheers, Erik
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On Feb 15, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

>
>> That surely explains their sales of XServes and RAID servers.
>
> They're off the radar for servers.  The only people who install Apple
> servers are people who are already in love with Apple desktops.  
> They're
> kind of the inverse of people who fall in love with server operating
> systems and then insist on forcing them onto the desktop as well.

Not true.  Apple is getting a lot more server sales outside of their 
fanboy clubs.  The XServe and the XServe RAID are getting a lot of 
interest in the Enterprise now.  (Note that "a lot" is not anywhere 
near a majority or huge amount compared to, for example, Windows 
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 12:03:06PM -0600, John wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 08:30:55PM -0600, John wrote:
> > I installed firefox from the packages, and now that it seems
> > like I may have Java installed, I'd like to get the two to play
> > together.

> No-one have an anwer or a pointer for me? Is it necessary to install
> the JDK (or JRE if we ever get one again) and then build firefox from
> ports to get the Java plug-in?

See if you can find the plugin shared library in the java port (IIRC,
its name is libjavaplugin_oji.so) and stick that in firefox' plugin
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 07:37:28PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 12:03:06PM -0600, John wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 08:30:55PM -0600, John wrote:
> > > I installed firefox from the packages, and now that it seems
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> > > together.
> 
> > No-one have an anwer or a pointer for me? Is it necessary to install
> > the JDK (or JRE if we ever get one again) and then build firefox from
> > ports to get the Java plug-in?
> 
> See if you can find the plugin shared library in the java port (IIRC,
> its name is libjavaplugin_oji.so) and stick that in firefox' plugin
> directory. 

Oh my goodness!  There's a TON of "libjavapuglin_*.so" files.

How do I know which one to use?
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> this isn't a gcc problem.
Hm, maybe I used the wrong terms to define the situation. I agree that
its not gcc's fault, its some kind of (mis)configuration issue.
 
> ldconfig

I used ldconfig to generete te hints file, and then when I do a
"ldconfig -r" all the libs I need appears there... the strange thing
is that if I try to include them in my own programs it doesnt work.
 
Im using the CFLAGS="-B /usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/include" as a
workaround, but im searching for a more elegant way to solve this
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W> How do i go about setting up a mail server on my gateway machine to collect 
W> and store all email locally from the outside world etc ?

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Have a look at fetchmail.

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> this isn't a gcc problem.
Hm, maybe I used the wrong terms to define the situation. I agree that
its not gcc's fault, its some kind of (mis)configuration issue.
 
> ldconfig

I used ldconfig to generete te hints file, and then when I do a
"ldconfig -r" all the libs I need appears there... the strange thing
is that if I try to include them in my own programs it doesnt work.
 
Im using the CFLAGS="-B /usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/include" as a
workaround, but im searching for a more elegant way to solve this
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> this isn't a gcc problem.
Hm, maybe I used the wrong terms to define the situation. I agree that
its not gcc's fault, its some kind of (mis)configuration issue.
 
> ldconfig

I used ldconfig to generete te hints file, and then when I do a
"ldconfig -r" all the libs I need appears there... the strange thing
is that if I try to include them in my own programs it doesnt work.
 
Im using the CFLAGS="-B /usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/include" as a
workaround, but im searching for a more elegant way to solve this
issue.

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Sajith K  writes:

> When I tried to install freebsd 5.3 in a PIII machine
> with 80GB hard disk I get the following error:
> 
> "Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in /dev!"
> "The creation of filesystems will be aborted"
> 
> Could some one help me out ?

Sounds like you forgot to allocate (and commit) the slices before you
tried to create the partitions...

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I've tryed to use the Windows driver, but it doesn't seem to
work. I did the following:

# cd /usr/src/sys/modules/ndis/
# make && make install
# cd ../if_ndis/
# cp /cdrom/driver/* ./
# ndiscvt -i ./netwpx96.inf -s ./wlpx96e.sys -o ndis_driver_data.h
# make && make install
# kldload ndis
# kldload if_ndis

When running dmesg there are no ndis0 to be found in the list.
The only data linked to the card is the following:
pccard0:  (manufacturer=0x0101, product=0x0696) at function 0
pccard0:    CIS info: 3Com, 3CRSHPW_96 Wireless LAN PC Card, (null)

Regards
Lars

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 18:04, you wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:40 am, Lars Hederidder wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > I have a 3Com 3CRSHPW_96 Wireless PCMIA card for my laptop.
> > However I'm a newbie at using PCMIA cards on FreeBSD.
> >
> > BSD finds the card when I plug it in, but it doesn't show up when
> > I use the ifconfig command.
> >
> > Can anyone help me with this problem, so I can get it up and running.
> > The system is a fresh installed FreeBSD 5.3
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Lars
>
> When you say FreeBSD "sees" the card, do you mean it is associated with
> a device, or just that the card's name appears in dmesg?
>
> It would appear, from the email message link below, that this card
> requires the use of it's Windows drivers.
>
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2004-September/004804.htm
>l
>
> Follow the link below to the online handbook's chapter on wireless
> networking.  Read the whole chapter; but pay particular attention to
> section 25.3.3.6.3, toward the bottom, regarding the NDISulator.
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.
>html
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Andrew Gould

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Hiram Abiff  writes:

> I followed your advice and rewrote my firewall rules.
> Although, even now, there are some major difficulties.

Please remember that you sent this message to a mailing list with a
very large number of people.  I, for one, do not remember the earlier
messages, and may not have read them.

> I still, can't acces the net from my 2 other computers
> via my FreeBSD firewalled gateway.
> Although I set up on it to allow traffic on
> ports 21, 22, 53, 8080 I can only telent to port
> 21, all the others report a "connection refused" error.

Where did you do this from?

> I can ping the FreeBSD box, but i cannot ping any outside
> IP addresseses from the FreeBSD box or the other boxes on my
> home LAN.

In other words, not only can't you access the net from the other
computers, but you can't from the FreeBSD box either?

Does anything work *without* the firewall?

> Also when FreeBSD is booting I caught some error messages that
> said unknow command "setup" for some of my firewall rules.

Kind of need more details here.  I can't see what that could be...

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Peterhin wrote:

>On February 15, 2005 12:09, you wrote:
>  
>
>>On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:55 am, Peterhin wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>I have just installed Freebsd 5.3 using a standard install, with
>>>all packages, and ports.
>>>
>>>When I go to Configure X (as per the handbook 2.9.12) using
>>>"Configure" Do post-install configuration of Freebsd, in the
>>>Configuration menu there is no sub menu "XFree86"
>>>
>>>Where did I go wrong.?
>>>      
>>>
>>Use Chapter 5.4 instead:
>>
>>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html
>>    
>>

>>OK thats great, now that I am there, my problem is with  say 'ee'
>>    
>>
>how do I edit the text.?
>I am a total newbie to the CLI. Any help would be appreciated.
>I typed 'ee  xorg.conf.new' it gives me the editor and the 
>'xorg.conf.new' at the bottom of the screen.
>
>Now I don't know what to do with it, to get to the  Section 'Monitor'
>  
>

Hmm, "ee" isn't easy?

Use the arrow keys to move around.  Type the text where desired.
Probably "backspace" and "delete" work well, too.

HTH,

Kevin Kinsey

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cpghost@cordula.ws wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 05:20:32PM +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote:
> If the md-based /var is only needed until the nfs /var is mounted,
> I could try tweaking the varsize knob in /etc/rc.conf, right?

Yes, 1kb should be enough ?! The interesting thing is that mounttab is 
only created by nfsclient - on my disk'ed system I have no such file.

> There's plenty of RAM on the workstations; it shouldn't be a problem
> to keep the ramdisk. I've done some monitoring for three weeks or
> so, and there's hardly any swapping to the nfs swapfiles involved.

Then simply remove the nfs mounted /var. You want to keep an nfs mounted 
   /var if you have data that you want to keep persistent, but if you 
keep the nfs /var then you also have to bother about cleaning it up.

> I only wonder if I could simply reuse /dev/md0 for something else
> than var (say newfs and mounting it somewhere else, e.g. on /tmp),
> because:

The problem is: If you first unmount the memory disk /var, the nfs mount 
of /var will fail as before. If you unmount /var after the nfs mount - 
what are you unmounting?

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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 12:23 pm, Peterhin wrote:
> On February 15, 2005 12:09, you wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:55 am, Peterhin wrote:
> > > I have just installed Freebsd 5.3 using a standard install, with
> > > all packages, and ports.
> > >
> > > When I go to Configure X (as per the handbook 2.9.12) using
> > > "Configure" Do post-install configuration of Freebsd, in the
> > > Configuration menu there is no sub menu "XFree86"
> > >
> > > Where did I go wrong.?
> >
> > Use Chapter 5.4 instead:
> >
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.
> >ht ml
> >OK thats great, now that I am there, my problem is with  say 'ee'
>
> how do I edit the text.?
> I am a total newbie to the CLI. Any help would be appreciated.
> I typed 'ee  xorg.conf.new' it gives me the editor and the
> 'xorg.conf.new' at the bottom of the screen.

First off, welcome to the wonderful world of CLI.  Don't get frustrated 
-- it takes some getting used to.

In ee, you should see helpful lists of commands at the top, followed by 
the file's contents.  Most of the commands begin with "^", which 
represents the control button on your keyboard.  For example, to delete 
a character, you would press the control button and the "d" key at the 
same time.  (You may find that the delete and backspace keys work fine 
on your keyboard, however; so you won't need some of the commands.)

It might also be helpful to open ee's man page on a different terminal.  
If you hit Alt-F2, you should find yourself at a new terminal.  Alt-F1 
will bring you back to your original terminal.  This allows you to run 
multiple programs in the foreground.  You can go to Alt-F2 and execute 
'man ee' for documentation on ee while you have ee running with an open 
file at Alt-F1.  Then, you can switch back and forth as needed.

>
> Now I don't know what to do with it, to get to the  Section 'Monitor'
>

Have you tried moving up and down the document using the keys for Page 
Up, Page Down or arrow keys?

If ee can't find the file you're editing, it will open a new, empty file 
with the name you specified.  If you don't see any contents in the 
file, ee may think you're starting a new document.  Make sure you were 
root when you executed 'Xorg -configure'.  Also make sure the current 
working directory is /root so that ee can find xorg.conf.new easily.

Best of luck,

Andrew Gould

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On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 09:57:30PM -0800, Holtor wrote:
> Hello,
>=20
> I have a freebsd 4.10 server. Is there anyway I can find out what kind of=
 motherboard is inside it
> without acctually taking it apart? I noticed that other servers running F=
reeBSD 5.3 tell me in the
> kernel bootup which can be seen in /var/run/dmesg.boot but in 4.10 I do n=
ot see it anywhere. Is
> there a command to see it or a sysctl which shows it or anything? Any ide=
as would be appreciated.=20
>=20
> Please CC: me on any replies as I am not subscribed to the list yet.
>=20
> Thank you,
>=20
> Holt G.

My general thought is no.  The manufacturer of a particular mainboard
does not necessarily have anything to do with the manufacturer of any of
the particular components on said motherboard - the components with
which FreeBSD may actually interact, and this included the BIOS/CMOS
chip.

Sometimes it's really difficult to determine the manufacturer of a
mainboard even by opening the box.  In some cases you may have to fall
back on the FCC id, and in other cases you won't even find that.

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On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 07:49:05PM +0200, Alin-Adrian Anton wrote:

> I really don't see why you use A-class netmask. It's very probable that=
=20
> a C-class netmask would suffice:

They already are using a /24 (class C) network.  Take another look at
the mask - 0xffffff00.  In any case, the network 'class' in use is not
important.

> rl1 inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255
>=20
> Also, the routes for rl1 which is the internal interface don't look norma=
l.
>=20
> You should have only one rl1 entry, like this:
>=20
> 10.0.0.0          link#2             UC          0        0   rl1
>=20
> And not:
> >10                 link#2             UC          2        0    rl1
> >10.0.0.3           00:0d:61:17:fc:30  UHLW        1      444    rl1    9=
03
> >10.255.255.255     ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff  UHLWb       0     2453    rl1
>=20
> See? Why special route for 10.0.0.3?

No, those routes are normal.  They were all added to the routing table
by FreeBSD.  On the second line, the 903 is an expiration time for the
route.  I'm not sure why FreeBSD adds these temporary entries (too avoid
having to do an ARP lookup?), but they are documented in the handbook.
The 1st line is just a route for the subnet on the rl1 interface.  The
final is just another route for what is presumable the broadcast
address for the rl1 network.
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On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 04:13:27PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Colin J. Raven writes:
>=20
> > 1. Unless you *must* use telnet for some reason, it's a good idea to
> > turn it off.
>=20
> Telnet is port 23; this is port 61 (NI-MAIL, whatever that is).  Whoever
> answers will be whatever program is listening on port 61, but it won't
> be a standard telnet daemon.
>=20
> --=20
> Anthony

I think it's important to note that tcp port 23 is not telnetd, and
telnetd is not tcp port 23.  By convention telnetd uses this port, but
it's an arbitrary relationship.  I'm not attempting to discredit
anyone's theories as to what the OP was actually trying to do, but just
for the record telnetd could potentially be running on _any_ port.  I
only mention this to point out that the statement above may not be
correct in all configurations  i.e.  telnetd could be listing on tcp
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On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 02:35:18AM +0000, John wrote:
> Hello list
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> How can I see what process is eating my swap? vmstat indicates that the s=
wap
> is being eaten, but by what? If it all gets eaten, badness occurs.=20
> I'm running freebsd 5.3-release-p5.=20
>=20
> thanks for any input

A good start would be to just look at the output of `ps aux` and to
focus on the memory related columns: %MEM VSZ RSS.  Take special note of
which processes are using large portions of memory.  Use can also use
top(1) and then sort based on memory usage.  I guess I'm suggesting that
rather than trying to figure out what is using all your swap, to turn
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On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 11:54:15PM -0600, Gene wrote:

> >Also, check to make sure your ssh client is not sending an RSA key for=
=20
> >authentication. I think that one is enabled by default. If you want to=
=20
> >force passwords, make sure you aren't using RSA keys.
> >
> If disable RSA keys in the config file, but the problem persists.

How about running the client in verbose mode, or perhpas the server,
too.  I don't know what sort of verbosity options putty has, but the
standard openssh client can take a -v argument (repeated up to 3 times
for maximum verbosity.  The server can also be launced in the foregroud
with debugging option -d, which like the client can be specified up to 3
times.  The messages that come are displayed for both the client and
server are a bit cryptic sometimes, but they are human readable and may
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On Sunday 13 February 2005 09:37, Jan Grant wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Daniela wrote:
> > Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a
> > router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet)
> > to another LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to
> > another point in the intranet, the source address used is my official IP,
> > and not 10.0.0.1, which is the intranet IP of the router.
> > In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every
> > outgoing connection where the destination is inside my intranet.
>
> Assuming you haven't munged the internal IP address to hide it, and with
> all due deference to the FreeBSD "mechanism, not policy" mantra: no, you
> don't want to do this. The 10.0.0.0/8 block of addresses is explicitly
> for private use and is not routable on the internet.
>
> If your firewall is causing problems with this setup, you might need to
> re-examine your firewall settings.
>
> Having said that: technically, you specify source addresses for
> connections by calling bind(2) prior to calling connect(2). If you fail
> to do this, the operating system will select a source IP address for
> you. This'll often be the IP of the outgoing interface.

Well, if the OS selects the source IP, can't I just modify the code that 
selects it? Will this work all the time, or just when the application lets 
the OS select an address for it?

> Unless your particular application explicitly supports the selection of
> source addresses, you're mostly out of luck. For instance, ping(8)
> supports this (see the -S option).
>
> Cheers,
> jan

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> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 05:20:32PM +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote:
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> Yes, it's 5.3-STABLE and /etc/rc.d/var is really the culprit!
> Thanks for the hint. Now everything makes sense again. 

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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 01:06 pm, Lars Hederidder wrote:
> I've tryed to use the Windows driver, but it doesn't seem to
> work. I did the following:
>
> # cd /usr/src/sys/modules/ndis/
> # make && make install
> # cd ../if_ndis/
> # cp /cdrom/driver/* ./
> # ndiscvt -i ./netwpx96.inf -s ./wlpx96e.sys -o ndis_driver_data.h
> # make && make install
> # kldload ndis
> # kldload if_ndis
>
> When running dmesg there are no ndis0 to be found in the list.
> The only data linked to the card is the following:
> pccard0:  (manufacturer=0x0101, product=0x0696) at
> function 0 pccard0:    CIS info: 3Com, 3CRSHPW_96 Wireless LAN PC
> Card, (null)
>
> Regards
> Lars
>

I've never messed with the NDISulator stuff; so I can't help you much at 
this point.  All of my wireless cards use either the wi or ath drivers.

Good luck,

Andrew Gould

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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:15 am, Brian John wrote:
> When I try to upgrade my ports I just get error messages.  Can
> someone help me out?  I'll paste the output below.
>
> Thanks
>
> /Brian
>
> su-2.05b# portmanager -u
> portmanager 0.2.6_5 info: executing rm -f
> /usr/local/share/portmanager/ports_cache.db
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>--- PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: Creating inital data bases
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>---
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>--- PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for missing dependent ports
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>---
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>--- -=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a
> dependency of linuxpluginwrapper-20050119_1
> verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by
> executing command:
> cd /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper; make  all-depends-list
>   *  *  *  *
> linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of
> things to be updated
>   *  *  *  *
> checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be
> installed listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by
> executing command: cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make 

> all-depends-list *  *  *  *
> dependency -=>archivers/rpm
>         executing: cd /usr/portsarchivers/rpm; make describe
> cd: can't cd to /usr/portsarchivers/rpm
> make: don't know how to make describe. Stop

The path /usr/portsarchivers/rpm is mangled here. Sorry
about this it looks like a portmanager bug :(  I'll work on a fix
right away. 

-Mike

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Hi Kris,

Thanks for your help -- that seems to have fixed the problem. You
mentioned that it was only a temporary fix, so what do you suggest doing
now? Is this a bug that I should report?

Kara

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On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 02:08:25PM -1000, Kara Chapman wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I am running FreeBSD 5.3 and have recently rebuilt the kernel to use
> SMP.  Ever since, I get these error messages from postfix on a regular
> basis:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> postfix/smtpd[49491]: fatal: accept connection: Invalid argument
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Does anyone know what this means and if it's at all related to the new
> kernel?  Other than adding SMP, the kernel is using all the defaults.

Do the messages persist if you set debug.mpsafenet=3D0 in your
/boot/loader.conf and reboot (this is only a workaround since it
causes relative performance degradation, but it will help to identify
where the problem might be)?

Kris

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 09:56:30AM -0500, epilogue wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:57:28 -0800
> Jeff BSD  wrote:
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> > Hi-
> > I'm in the process of upgrading a 4.6 system to 5.3.  When I boot the
> > machine it gets to:

> > ----
> > Enter full pathname of shell of RETURN for /bin/sh:
> > pid # (sh), uid 0: exited on signal 12
> > init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user
> > mode
> > Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user
> > Password:
> > ----
> >=20
> > Round and round I go.
> >=20
> > Sounds like I broke /bin/sh to me.  I've messed around in safe mode
> > but I can't see how I can use it to possibly fix my problem, assuming
> > I did do anything to /bin/sh (which I don't think I did -
> > intentionally/directly that is).
> >=20
> > How do I fix it so I can boot it?  A bit of the chicken and the egg,
> > what?
>=20
> hello jeff,
>=20
> please see if it will accept /rescue/sh (the statically compiled rescue
> binary)

Or you could try entering a differnt shell altogether.  tcsh and csh are
both in /bin, but appear to be single file, hardlinked by those two
names.  In any case, one of those may well work.  Personally, one of the
first things I do with a new install is to add the bash port/package and
then make a copy of the binary (/usr/local/bin/bash) in /bin.  This way
I can use the shell that is most familiar to me.

Nathan

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On February 15, 2005 14:22, you wrote:
> Peterhin wrote:
> >On February 15, 2005 12:09, you wrote:
> >>On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:55 am, Peterhin wrote:
> >>>I have just installed Freebsd 5.3 using a standard install, with
> >>>all packages, and ports.
> >>>
> >>>When I go to Configure X (as per the handbook 2.9.12) using
> >>>"Configure" Do post-install configuration of Freebsd, in the
> >>>Configuration menu there is no sub menu "XFree86"
> >>>
> >>>Where did I go wrong.?
> >>
> >>Use Chapter 5.4 instead:
> >>
> >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.
> >>html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>OK thats great, now that I am there, my problem is with  say 'ee'
> >
> >how do I edit the text.?
> >I am a total newbie to the CLI. Any help would be appreciated.
> >I typed 'ee  xorg.conf.new' it gives me the editor and the
> >'xorg.conf.new' at the bottom of the screen.
> >
> >Now I don't know what to do with it, to get to the  Section
> > 'Monitor'
>
> Hmm, "ee" isn't easy?
>I was able to get the file edited, all I had to do was type in the 
correct path.
Many thanks to all.

> Use the arrow keys to move around.  Type the text where desired.
> Probably "backspace" and "delete" work well, too.
>
> HTH,
>
> Kevin Kinsey

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Hi,

Does anyone know anything about NIC cards offered in the
HP 'Proliant' series - namely an:

     "HP NC7761 PCI Gigabit NIC (embedded)"

or alternatively any of:

     HP NC7771 PCI-X Gigabit Server Adapter 
     HP NC7170 Dual Port PCI-X 1000T Gigabit Server Adapter 
     HP NC 310F PCI-X Gigabit Server Adapter 
     HP NC320T PCI Express Gigabit Server Adapter, 10/100/1000T 

Unfortunately none of them show up with those designations in
the supported hardware lists for either 4.11 or 5.3.   Do they
possibly fit in to one of the groups under a different name
that you know of?

One of our sites wants to buy one of these machines instead of
the ones we have usually been spec-ing for them.

Thanks,

////jerry

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FreeBSD comes with sendmail, or you can install Postfix. Documentation can be 
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Does anyone know of a program for KDE that will just show the outside
temperature down near the clock?  Something similar to the Windows
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Does anyone know of a program for KDE that will just show the outside
temperature down near the clock?  Something similar to the Windows
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At 12:23 2/15/2005, Peterhin wrote:

>>OK thats great, now that I am there, my problem is with  say 'ee'
>how do I edit the text.?
>I am a total newbie to the CLI. Any help would be appreciated.
>I typed 'ee  xorg.conf.new' it gives me the editor and the=20
>'xorg.conf.new' at the bottom of the screen.

You may find 'pico' more intuitive:

cd /usr/ports/editors/pico

make install





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quoth the Benjamin Dover:
> Does anyone know of a program for KDE that will just show the outside
> temperature down near the clock?  Something similar to the Windows
> version of WeatherBug.

Right-click on the panel, select "Add -> Applet -> Kweather".=20
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Hi,

on FreeBSD 5.3 I am using ppp in interactive mode with a ppp.linkup script
to perform some commands (sendmail and ntpdate):

 !bg sendmail -L sm-msp-queue -Ac -q
 !bg ntpdate ptbtime1.ptb.de

 
In man ppp I have seen:

[...]
     All external commands (executed
     via the "shell" or "!bg" commands) are executed as the user id that
     invoked ppp. 
[...]

So the only way for a normal user to run this commands successfully in ppp.linkup are per
sudo ppp or is there another chance to run these commands?

Oliver
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Jerry McAllister wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know anything about NIC cards offered in the
> HP 'Proliant' series - namely an:
>
> "HP NC7761 PCI Gigabit NIC (embedded)"
>
> or alternatively any of:
>
> HP NC7771 PCI-X Gigabit Server Adapter
> HP NC7170 Dual Port PCI-X 1000T Gigabit Server Adapter
> HP NC 310F PCI-X Gigabit Server Adapter
> HP NC320T PCI Express Gigabit Server Adapter, 10/100/1000T
>
> Unfortunately none of them show up with those designations in
> the supported hardware lists for either 4.11 or 5.3. Do they
> possibly fit in to one of the groups under a different name
> that you know of?
>
This is from a ProLiant DL380G3 currently in use here:

bge0:  mem 
0xf7ef0000-0xf7efffff irq 29 at device 1.0 on pci2
miibus0:  on bge0
brgphy0:  on miibus0
brgphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX, 
1000baseTX-FDX, auto
bge0: Ethernet address: 00:11:85:b8:e7:df
bge1:  mem 
0xf7ee0000-0xf7eeffff irq 31 at device 2.0 on pci2
miibus1:  on bge1
brgphy1:  on miibus1
brgphy1:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX, 
1000baseTX-FDX, auto

..and that is the one present in the NC7770. It should work fine with 
the 7761 and 7771 as well.

HTH,
Per olof

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 03:55:00PM -0300, Maicon Stihler wrote:
> > this isn't a gcc problem.
> Hm, maybe I used the wrong terms to define the situation. I agree that
> its not gcc's fault, its some kind of (mis)configuration issue.

Didn't you ask this question a few weeks ago?  I certainly answered it
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> > ldconfig
>=20
> I used ldconfig to generete te hints file, and then when I do a
> "ldconfig -r" all the libs I need appears there... the strange thing
> is that if I try to include them in my own programs it doesnt work.

ldconfig is for the runtime linker, it's not used by gcc when linking
object files.

> Im using the CFLAGS=3D"-B /usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/include" as a
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Those flags look completely wrong.  You want "-L /usr/local/lib -I
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This is the correct way to address the issue.

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 09:39:20AM -1000, Kara Chapman wrote:
> Hi Kris,
>=20
> Thanks for your help -- that seems to have fixed the problem. You
> mentioned that it was only a temporary fix, so what do you suggest doing
> now? Is this a bug that I should report?

Yes, Robert Watson might be interested in this (CC'ed).  It's possible
that there's already a fix for this in 5.3-STABLE, but he'd have a
better idea of that.

Kris

>=20
> Kara
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 02:08:25PM -1000, Kara Chapman wrote:
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> >=20
> > =20
> >=20
> > I am running FreeBSD 5.3 and have recently rebuilt the kernel to use
> > SMP.  Ever since, I get these error messages from postfix on a regular
> > basis:
> >=20
> > =20
> >=20
> > postfix/smtpd[49491]: fatal: accept connection: Invalid argument
> >=20
> > =20
> >=20
> > Does anyone know what this means and if it's at all related to the new
> > kernel?  Other than adding SMP, the kernel is using all the defaults.
>=20
> Do the messages persist if you set debug.mpsafenet=3D0 in your
> /boot/loader.conf and reboot (this is only a workaround since it
> causes relative performance degradation, but it will help to identify
> where the problem might be)?
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I read a lot of rulesets for ipfilter just to study how others do the
job.
I've read the ipf HOWTO too. One thing is still very unclear to me
though.
Most rules for tcp have something like "flags S keep state" but *some*
have "flags S keep state keep frags"

Can someone explain to me *when* to use keep frags and when not to? The
HOWTO is very unclear about this. What exactly is the use of this extra
'keep frags'?

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Does someone know how to configure network settings so that I can use
a freeBSD workstation as a proxy client?

Thanks in advance,
Alden

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We have a DL585 with dual Gigabit Broadcom NIC's on AMD64-5.3-RELEASE-p5 
(both of which are configured & in use):

bge0:  mem 
0xf7fb0000-0xf7fbffff irq 25 at device 6.0 on pci2
miibus0:  on bge0
brgphy0:  on miibus0
brgphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX, 
1000baseTX-FDX, auto
bge0: Ethernet address: 00:0e:7f:b0:b2:bf
bge1:  mem 
0xf7fa0000-0xf7faffff irq 24 at device 6.1 on pci2
miibus1:  on bge1
brgphy1:  on miibus1
brgphy1:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX, 
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bge1: Ethernet address: 00:0e:7f:b0:b2:be

I'm not entirely sure which NCxxxx it is.



-Kyle Mott



Jerry McAllister wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know anything about NIC cards offered in the
>HP 'Proliant' series - namely an:
>
>     "HP NC7761 PCI Gigabit NIC (embedded)"
>
>or alternatively any of:
>
>     HP NC7771 PCI-X Gigabit Server Adapter 
>     HP NC7170 Dual Port PCI-X 1000T Gigabit Server Adapter 
>     HP NC 310F PCI-X Gigabit Server Adapter 
>     HP NC320T PCI Express Gigabit Server Adapter, 10/100/1000T 
>
>Unfortunately none of them show up with those designations in
>the supported hardware lists for either 4.11 or 5.3.   Do they
>possibly fit in to one of the groups under a different name
>that you know of?
>
>One of our sites wants to buy one of these machines instead of
>the ones we have usually been spec-ing for them.
>
>Thanks,
>
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Hi,

~       Theres a high probablility this is a stupid question, but I
must ask it....


Heres the situation:  I am leasing a server from a relatively well
known ISP in the DC area... It is installed w/ FreeBSD 5.3 Release
(Generic)

These geniuses gave me the box without the ports tree or the kernel
sources...  This wouldnt be a problem, except that, among other
things, they didnt compile in the quota support.  I desperately need it.

Questions:

1. Is there a kernel module to implement quota support (I have googled
incessantly trying to find it w/o much luck)

2. Is there a trivial way to get the kernel sources and ports tree
(and more importantly, how safe (in terms of the box coming back) is
it to recompile the kernel if I can get the sources) - they pretty
much killed about 50% of my reason for getting FBSD by leaving out the
ports WTF??.

3. Finally, out of curiousity, does anyone know why quota support is
left our of the stock FreeBSD Kernel, I am assuming there must be a
compelling reason for this... and are there any alternatives (short of
me writing lots of ugly code - which I have lacking time and
motivation for)

-- 
.......................................................
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Graduate Student, SCIS, Nova Southeastern University
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:57:20 -0500, Jon Adams  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> ~       Theres a high probablility this is a stupid question, but I
> must ask it....
> 
> Heres the situation:  I am leasing a server from a relatively well
> known ISP in the DC area... It is installed w/ FreeBSD 5.3 Release
> (Generic)
> 
> These geniuses gave me the box without the ports tree or the kernel
> sources...  This wouldnt be a problem, except that, among other
> things, they didnt compile in the quota support.  I desperately need it.
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1. Is there a kernel module to implement quota support (I have googled
> incessantly trying to find it w/o much luck)

Take a look at this section of the handbook
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/quotas.html

> 
> 2. Is there a trivial way to get the kernel sources and ports tree
> (and more importantly, how safe (in terms of the box coming back) is
> it to recompile the kernel if I can get the sources) - they pretty
> much killed about 50% of my reason for getting FBSD by leaving out the
> ports WTF??.

I would use sysinstall to install the ports tree.  if your not
familiar with it type man sysinstall
> 
> 3. Finally, out of curiousity, does anyone know why quota support is
> left our of the stock FreeBSD Kernel, I am assuming there must be a
> compelling reason for this... and are there any alternatives (short of
> me writing lots of ugly code - which I have lacking time and
> motivation for)

Its not left out its just not an standard option.  Compiling a kernel
is not a difficult task.  It sounds more difficult than it really is.
> 
> --
> .......................................................
> Jon Adams - jonaadams@nsu.nova.edu / jkadams@computer.org
> Graduate Student, SCIS, Nova Southeastern University
> http://www.scis.nova.edu/~jonaadam/
> "Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu
> (202) 494-2469 .:cell:.
> 
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:57:20 -0500
Jon Adams  wrote:


> 2. Is there a trivial way to get the kernel sources and ports tree
> (and more importantly, how safe (in terms of the box coming back) is
> it to recompile the kernel if I can get the sources) - they pretty
> much killed about 50% of my reason for getting FBSD by leaving out the
> ports WTF??.

"/stand/sysinstall" is your friend. I just got done doing the same thing
on three remote 1U Dell machines without any problems. The first time I
recompiled the kernel was to get smp support for the Xeon with
hyperthreading and the second time was to enable quota support.

Here are the two urls that helped me with ports and compiling the
kernel. As long as you are careful to follow the instructions for
compiling the kernel, you should not have any problems.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html

Sorry I don't have the answers to any of your other questions.

HTH,
Jacob

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Java isn't showing up in about:plugins on Firefox.  I compiled java
(when I compiled OpenOffice) and here is my /etc/libmap.conf entry for
it (maybe I missed something?)

[/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java]
libkse.so.1                    libc_r.so.5
libkse.so                       libc_r.so

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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 04:22 pm, RL wrote:
> Java isn't showing up in about:plugins on Firefox.  I compiled java
> (when I compiled OpenOffice) and here is my /etc/libmap.conf entry
> for it (maybe I missed something?)
>
> [/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java]
> libkse.so.1                    libc_r.so.5
> libkse.so                       libc_r.so

It doesn't show up on my laptop either; but known java features (online 
WSJ crossword puzzle) on a web page that I visit work.  Try giving it a 
real-world test.

Best of luck,

Andrew Gould

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Benjamin Dover wrote:

>Take a look at this section of the handbook
>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/quotas.html
>  
>
Yes, I've read this and am aware of the process of recompiling the 
kernel to implement quotas (done it before). 
What I am looking for is an alternative to recompiling the kernel due to 
the cripppled box I have.

>Its not left out its just not an standard option.  Compiling a kernel
>is not a difficult task.  It sounds more difficult than it really is.
>  
>
I agree...  I have FreeBSD 5.3 and a 5.1 box I have lazily not yet 
updated on a pair of poweredges in my apt,
I rebuilt the 5.3 kernel a couple of time when I was experimenting with 
trying to install Oracle 8i on it (before giving up in frustration due 
to the Oracle make files exiting emulation)

Thanks for the tip on sysinstall... D'oh

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> 
> We have a DL585 with dual Gigabit Broadcom NIC's on AMD64-5.3-RELEASE-p5 
> (both of which are configured & in use):
> 
> bge0:  mem 
> 0xf7fb0000-0xf7fbffff irq 25 at device 6.0 on pci2
> miibus0:  on bge0
> brgphy0:  on miibus0
> brgphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX, 
> 1000baseTX-FDX, auto
> bge0: Ethernet address: 00:0e:7f:b0:b2:bf
> bge1:  mem 
> 0xf7fa0000-0xf7faffff irq 24 at device 6.1 on pci2
> miibus1:  on bge1
> brgphy1:  on miibus1
> brgphy1:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX, 
> 1000baseTX-FDX, auto
> bge1: Ethernet address: 00:0e:7f:b0:b2:be
> 
> I'm not entirely sure which NCxxxx it is.

Well, that is encouraging, I guess.  Trouble is I can't get my hands on
one to look at this stuff and compare to see if it is the same  before 
they decide what to buy.   

Thanks,

////jerry

> 
> -Kyle Mott
> 
> Jerry McAllister wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >Does anyone know anything about NIC cards offered in the
> >HP 'Proliant' series - namely an:
> >
> >     "HP NC7761 PCI Gigabit NIC (embedded)"
> >
> >or alternatively any of:
> >
> >     HP NC7771 PCI-X Gigabit Server Adapter 
> >     HP NC7170 Dual Port PCI-X 1000T Gigabit Server Adapter 
> >     HP NC 310F PCI-X Gigabit Server Adapter 
> >     HP NC320T PCI Express Gigabit Server Adapter, 10/100/1000T 
> >
> >Unfortunately none of them show up with those designations in
> >the supported hardware lists for either 4.11 or 5.3.   Do they
> >possibly fit in to one of the groups under a different name
> >that you know of?
> >
> >One of our sites wants to buy one of these machines instead of
> >the ones we have usually been spec-ing for them.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >////jerry

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Heh, should've mentioned: I'm installing FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE.

The disk only has one partition (and 10 GiB of unallocated space) right now by the way, and that's the one Window's on. ad0s1 should represent that partition if I'm reading the manual correctly.

>> Ulf Magnusson wrote:
>>Today I decided to install FreeBSD, and so I grabbed a FreeBSD installation CD 
>>off the net. The first time I booted from the installation CD, everything 
>>went fine (seemingly), and I soon found myself in sysinstall. Not quite ready 
>>to install at that point, and needing to shut down the system, I quit 
>>sysinstall without having initiated any install or changed any settings 
>>(except maybe for the keymap, I can't remember). I returned later to 
>>commence the installation only to find that the boot process now hangs, the 
>>last message being "GEOM configure ad0s1, start 32256 length 112785007104 
>>end 112785039359" (verbose logging). I did not start my computer between 
>>the two occasions, and didn't change my hardware configuration either. 
>>Windows, which I have installed on the same disk (I shrunk the NTFS partition 
>>by 10 GiB using Partition Magic to make way for FreeBSD), still boots fine.
>>
>>Help appreciated,
>>Ulf

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Portmanager finished and I'm not sure what its trying to tell me.  Do
I have to manually update gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 or just run portmanager
again?  It made a list of ports and they all showed current.  Here is
the output:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
OLD kdeutils-3.3.2 built with old dependency gnupg-1.4.0, current
dependency isgnupg-1.4.0_1
OLD kde-3.3.2 built with old dependency gnupg-1.4.0, current
dependency is gnupg-1.4.0_1
OLD gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 built with old dependency gnupg-1.4.0,
current dependency is gnupg-1.4.0_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
status report finished
========================================================================
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: kdeutils-3.3.2 has a dependency
gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 that needs to be updated first
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: kde-3.3.2 has a dependency
gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 that needs to be updated first
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 has a
dependency gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 that needs to be updated first
------------------------------------------------------------------------
update of ports collection complete with either some errors, ignored
ports or both
========================================================================

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I just mounted a device at /mnt/t and tried to access a file from linux 
realplayer. It couldn't see anything under /mnt at all, it seems that it's 
actually seeing /compat/linux/mnt.

Why does /compat/linux/mnt exist? Is there some serious problem of having 
linux apps see /mnt (like they see the real /home, and any non-standard 
top-level directories)? An what's the best way to handle this?

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In the last episode (Feb 15), RW said:
> I just mounted a device at /mnt/t and tried to access a file from linux 
> realplayer. It couldn't see anything under /mnt at all, it seems that it's 
> actually seeing /compat/linux/mnt.
> 
> Why does /compat/linux/mnt exist? Is there some serious problem of having 
> linux apps see /mnt (like they see the real /home, and any non-standard 
> top-level directories)? An what's the best way to handle this?

Most likely it's because one of the rpms making up linux_base creates
it.  Just rmdir it.

-- 
	Dan Nelson
	dnelson@allantgroup.com

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On Feb 15, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Jon Adams wrote:

> Benjamin Dover wrote:
>
>> Take a look at this section of the handbook
>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/quotas.html
>>
> Yes, I've read this and am aware of the process of recompiling the 
> kernel to implement quotas (done it before). What I am looking for is 
> an alternative to recompiling the kernel due to the cripppled box I 
> have.
>
>> Its not left out its just not an standard option.  Compiling a kernel
>> is not a difficult task.  It sounds more difficult than it really is.
>>
> I agree...  I have FreeBSD 5.3 and a 5.1 box I have lazily not yet 
> updated on a pair of poweredges in my apt,
> I rebuilt the 5.3 kernel a couple of time when I was experimenting 
> with trying to install Oracle 8i on it (before giving up in 
> frustration due to the Oracle make files exiting emulation)
>
> Thanks for the tip on sysinstall... D'oh
>

I replied to Jon off list but wanted to stick it in here for the 
archives

You should be able to just install cvsup and then make an appropriate 
cvsupfile.  This will get you the sources and ports etc if you do it 
right.  One easy thing :-)

best
Chad

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:22:43 -0500, RL  wrote:
> Java isn't showing up in about:plugins on Firefox.  I compiled java
> (when I compiled OpenOffice) and here is my /etc/libmap.conf entry for
> it (maybe I missed something?)
> 
> [/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java]
> libkse.so.1                    libc_r.so.5
> libkse.so                       libc_r.so
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> 
 Once I added the jdk14 port I had to create the following symlink to
get java to work and show up in the plugins.

ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so
/usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/
Hope this helps.

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Hi all,

I'm trying to set up a VPN connection to a NetScreen VPN using racoon.  
I configured all of the settings (I think) to match those specified on 
the NetScreen, except for compression_algorithm.

The only option for compression_algorithm given to me by racoon is 
deflate.  The NetScreen VPN is configured with "Compression: None".

Am I out of luck here?

Please be sure to inclue me on any replies, as I am not subscibed to the 
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TIA

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 06:00:51PM -0500, Benjamin Dover wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:22:43 -0500, RL  wrote:
> > Java isn't showing up in about:plugins on Firefox.  I compiled java
> > (when I compiled OpenOffice) and here is my /etc/libmap.conf entry for
> > it (maybe I missed something?)
> > 
> > [/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java]
> > libkse.so.1                    libc_r.so.5
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>  Once I added the jdk14 port I had to create the following symlink to
> get java to work and show up in the plugins.
> 
> ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so
> /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/
> Hope this helps.

BINGO!

Geez!  That's great - but how the HECK did you know this was the
magic key?  This shouldn't be so ARCANE!!!

I'd have been looking for something in a "firefox" branch - in
fact, I was just trying to find such a thing when your e-mail
came.

THANK YOU!!!
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tcp rules can use 'keep frags'
TCP packets allow fragmentation by intermediate routers
that need re-assembly at the final destination

On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 08:36, dick hoogendijk wrote:
> I read a lot of rulesets for ipfilter just to study how others do the
> job.
> I've read the ipf HOWTO too. One thing is still very unclear to me
> though.
> Most rules for tcp have something like "flags S keep state" but *some*
> have "flags S keep state keep frags"
> 
> Can someone explain to me *when* to use keep frags and when not to? The
> HOWTO is very unclear about this. What exactly is the use of this extra
> 'keep frags'?
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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 02:38 pm, Benjamin Dover wrote:
> Portmanager finished and I'm not sure what its trying to tell me.  Do
> I have to manually update gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 or just run
> portmanager again?  It made a list of ports and they all showed
> current.  Here is the output:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>--- OLD kdeutils-3.3.2 built with old dependency gnupg-1.4.0, current
> dependency isgnupg-1.4.0_1
> OLD kde-3.3.2 built with old dependency gnupg-1.4.0, current
> dependency is gnupg-1.4.0_1
> OLD gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 built with old dependency gnupg-1.4.0,
> current dependency is gnupg-1.4.0_1
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>--- status report finished
> =====================================================================
>=== checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: kdeutils-3.3.2 has a dependency
> gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 that needs to be updated first
> checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: kde-3.3.2 has a dependency
> gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 that needs to be updated first
> checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 has a
> dependency gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 that needs to be updated first
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>--- update of ports collection complete with either some errors,
> ignored ports or both
> =====================================================================
please send me the output of portmanager -u >& portmanager.log (send to 
ringworm01@gmail.com)

right now I am guessing gnupg-1.4.0 failed to build but it should have
explicitly reported that fact, so maybe there is a bug here.

-Mike


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> If the port is prefix compliant you should be able to do
>=20
> make PREFIX=3D/alternate base dir/
>=20
> Then watch out for libraries the port installs, because
> they will end up in /alternate base dir/lib.  When that happens
> run ldconfig -m /alternate base dir/lib, add /alternate base dir/bin
> to your path and everything should be set.

Thanks.  Couldn't get it to work with gpgme03.  I have gpgme installed
(as it's needed by a number of my installed ports) but I'm trying to
install a sylpheed-claws-gtk2 tarball with gpg-mime support and it
doesn't work with the newer gpgme 1.0.x versions.

I have both
/usr/local/bin/gpgme-config
/usr/local/bin/gpgme03-config

and I think I'm getting errors when installing because they're both in
identical paths and it's trying to build against the newer version.  It
builds fine if I disable pgp-mime support.

For example, the --help file says:

~/src/sylpheed-claws$ ./configure --help | grep gpg
  --with-gpgme-prefix=3DPFX prefix where GPGME is installed (optional)

So I've been trying to build with:

--with-gpgme-prefix=3D/usr/local

Any ideas how I might work around this?

Thanks.

--=20
Cheers,
Trey
---

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:09:48 -0600, John  wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 06:00:51PM -0500, Benjamin Dover wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:22:43 -0500, RL  wrote:
> > > Java isn't showing up in about:plugins on Firefox.  I compiled java
> > > (when I compiled OpenOffice) and here is my /etc/libmap.conf entry for
> > > it (maybe I missed something?)
> > >
> > > [/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java]
> > > libkse.so.1                    libc_r.so.5
> > > libkse.so                       libc_r.so
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> >  Once I added the jdk14 port I had to create the following symlink to
> > get java to work and show up in the plugins.
> >
> > ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so
> > /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/
> > Hope this helps.
> 
> BINGO!
> 
> Geez!  That's great - but how the HECK did you know this was the
> magic key?  This shouldn't be so ARCANE!!!
> 
> I'd have been looking for something in a "firefox" branch - in
> fact, I was just trying to find such a thing when your e-mail
> came.
> 
> THANK YOU!!!
> --
> 
> John Lind
> john@starfire.MN.ORG
> 
One word.. Google!

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> > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:22:43 -0500, RL  wrote:
> > > > Java isn't showing up in about:plugins on Firefox.  I compiled java
> > > > (when I compiled OpenOffice) and here is my /etc/libmap.conf entry for
> > > > it (maybe I missed something?)
> > > >
> > > > [/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java]
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> > >  Once I added the jdk14 port I had to create the following symlink to
> > > get java to work and show up in the plugins.
> > >
> > > ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so
> > > /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/
> > > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > BINGO!
> > 
> > Geez!  That's great - but how the HECK did you know this was the
> > magic key?  This shouldn't be so ARCANE!!!
> > 
> > I'd have been looking for something in a "firefox" branch - in
> > fact, I was just trying to find such a thing when your e-mail
> > came.
> > 
> > THANK YOU!!!
> > --
> > 
> > John Lind
> > john@starfire.MN.ORG
> > 
> One word.. Google!

Did that.  Wrong search string, or missed the right page in all the
hits.

Thanks again!
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Can anyone tell me how to fix the following two errors?

Feb 15 17:43:13 grog spamd[594]: Still running as root: user not 
specified with -u, not found, or set to root.  Fall back to nobody.
Feb 15 17:43:13 grog spamd[594]: processing message 
<20050215234319.24178.qmail@web50710.mail.yahoo.com> for root:65534.
Feb 15 17:43:13 grog spamd[594]: Cannot open bayes databases 
/root/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie failed: Permission denied
Feb 15 17:43:15 grog last message repeated 2 times

I'm getting all sorts of bayes database errors.  Is there something I 
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On 2005-02-15T01:06:58-0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

[ridiculous attribution from Outlook snipped]

> > The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB
> > HD, 15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN.  I purchased it
> > from Best Buy.

> Best Buy is fairly good at taking exchanges within 30 days.  Their
> written policy kind of threatens a restocking charge of 15% on opened
> notebook computers - but the exception is if the item is defective.
> In your case you have a grey area, but if you were to take it back and
> tell them that the system is periodically shutting itself down and you
> want to exchange it for a different model because you don't have any
> confidence in the zv5445us, they wouldn't be able to verify this and
> you could probably talk your way out of the restock charge,
> PARTICULARLY if you bought the item on a credit card - since credit
> card issuers generally take a dim view of restock fees on consumer
> items.  I have had a family member do this exact thing with a laptop
> he bought from there a few years ago.  (it wasn't a FreeBSD thing, the
> laptop was just not very well made and he ended up buying a more
> expensive laptop from them)  This is also particularly if you bring
> back ALL OF the original packing materials AND THE SOFTWARE
> particularly if it's unopened, and repack the laptop in it's box.
> Remember that Best Buy has to send the thing back to HP and if it
> breaks in transit and it wasn't in the factory cardboard, HP is going
> to charge Best Buy for the loss.

If you return it to Best Buy and decide to pick up another laptop, bring
a FreeSBIE disc with you, and maybe a Frenzy disc, to test the laptop
before you buy it.  I have done this a couple of times, and only once
did someone even ask me what I was doing, and when I started to explain,
their eyes glazed over and I just went back to testing.

I ended up buying a Sager 4750V from discountlaptops.com and have been
very happy, except for the first few days.  The firewire controller has
issues on this laptop, and 5.3-RELEASE puked when probing the fwohci.  I
used a Frenzy disc, which does NOT have firewire support in the kernel,
and was able to boot it fine, whereas FreeSBIE (and any GENERIC FreeBSD)
had firewire compiled into the install media kernel, causing me much
heartache.  If you are interested in more detail, check out...

http://michael.gargantuan.com/sager_4750v/

HTH, have a good day.

(I am not affiliated with discountlaptops.com, other than being a
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On 02/15/05 06:19 PM, Richard Meyer sat at the `puter and typed:
> I've been inundated by hundreds of Cialis, Taladafil, etc spam e-mails.=
=20
> More than one hundred requests to unsubscribe (I never subscribed to begi=
n=20
> with) have gone un-implemented.  What can I do ?

Apparently you posted something to a newsgroup or a list that's
archived on the web.  Even posting to this one will eventually get you
in their lists.  The spammers harvest email addresses in any number of
ways, including crawling web sites and newsgroups.

Don't bother unsubscribing.  There have been a few informal
experiments that indicate these aren't actually used to remove
addresses from mailing lists, but to verify the validity of emails,
and are usually proliferated even faster.

What can you do?  Install SpamAssassin
(ports/mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin) and make sure it's well trained and
properly configured.  You might even do well to set up a honeypot
address to keep your bayes database up to date.

Other than that, abandon the email address.  I'm shutting a whole
domain down in another week or so to give it a few months to be purged
out of those lists.

And forget about the CAN-Spam laws.  They're bull.  They give you no
rights, and some think the spam problem has actually gotten worse
since it took effect.

Good luck.

Lou
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On 02/15/05 06:41 PM, Charles Swiger sat at the `puter and typed:
> On Feb 15, 2005, at 6:19 PM, Richard Meyer wrote:
> > I've been inundated by hundreds of Cialis, Taladafil, etc spam=20
> > e-mails. More than one hundred requests to unsubscribe (I never=20
> > subscribed to begin with) have gone un-implemented.  What can I do ?
>=20
> Use a spam filter.  Don't try to unsubscribe to spam messages, just=20
> report them to postmaster@ the domain of the sender and/or the ISP=20
> hosting the server.

This is almost always a tricky proposition.  Spammers never use an
email address belonging to them.  They usually use another address
randomly chosen from their "subscription" list.  So complaining to the
apparent sender or their ISP is just causing more spam related
resource waste - mostly yours in this case.

You really need to check the headers in very careful detail to see
where the message originated, and even then, you're likely to get some
disagreement from the admin responsible.  It may be that the actual
source is a trojaned winbox or an open relay, and you won't always get
much headway in either case.  Check with your ISP to see if they
handle abuse reports regarding spam originating outside their network.
Usually they don't, but if they do, they'll track down the originator
and fight the battle themselves.

Lou
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On Monday 14 February 2005 05:34 pm, Anthony Atkielski 
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Absolutely untrue. Please stop saying this, as it's false.

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I am running fBSD 5.3 Release.  I get this message repeated in
/var/log/messages

Feb 15 17:27:09 w00f named[317]: omitting IPv4 interface xl1 from
localnets ACL: address mask not contiguous
Feb 15 18:27:09 w00f named[317]: omitting IPv4 interface xl1 from
localnets ACL: address mask not contiguous

I though I could stop it by removing the IP of that interface from the
listen argument in /var/named/etc/namedb/named.conf

// If named is being used only as a local resolver, this is a safe default.
// For named to be accessible to the network, comment this option, specify
// the proper IP address, or delete this option.
        listen-on     { 127.0.0.1; 192.168.1.110; 2xx.195.187.218;
2xx.195.187.219; };
                                                       |              
                |                           |
                                                     dc0              
           xl0                        fxp0
  
w00f# sockstat -4l
USER     COMMAND    PID   FD PROTO  LOCAL ADDRESS         FOREIGN ADDRESS
www      httpd      56137 3  tcp46  *:80                  *:*
www      httpd      55446 3  tcp46  *:80                  *:*
root     inetd      593   4  tcp4   *:21                  *:*
root     perl       544   5  tcp4   *:10000               *:*
root     perl       544   6  udp4   *:10000               *:*
www      httpd      543   3  tcp46  *:80                  *:*
www      httpd      542   3  tcp46  *:80                  *:*
www      httpd      541   3  tcp46  *:80                  *:*
www      httpd      540   3  tcp46  *:80                  *:*
www      httpd      539   3  tcp46  *:80                  *:*
root     oidentd    511   6  tcp4   *:113                 *:*
root     httpd      491   3  tcp46  *:80                  *:*
root     sendmail   440   3  tcp4   *:25                  *:*
root     sendmail   440   6  tcp4   *:587                 *:*
root     sshd       435   3  tcp4   192.168.1.110:22      *:*
root     sshd       435   4  tcp4   2xx.195.187.218:22     *:*
root     ntpd       414   4  udp4   *:123                 *:*
root     ntpd       414   7  udp4   2xx.195.187.218:123    *:*
root     ntpd       414   8  udp4   192.168.1.110:123     *:*
root     ntpd       414   10 udp4   2xx.195.187.244:123    *:*
root     ntpd       414   12 udp4   2xx.195.187.219:123    *:*
root     ntpd       414   14 udp4   127.0.0.1:123         *:*
bind     named      317   20 udp4   2xx.195.187.218:53     *:*
bind     named      317   21 tcp4   2xx.195.187.218:53     *:*
bind     named      317   22 udp4   192.168.1.110:53      *:*
bind     named      317   23 tcp4   192.168.1.110:53      *:*
bind     named      317   24 udp4   2xx.195.187.219:53     *:*
bind     named      317   25 tcp4   2xx.195.187.219:53     *:*
bind     named      317   26 udp4   127.0.0.1:53          *:*
bind     named      317   27 tcp4   127.0.0.1:53          *:*
bind     named      317   28 udp4   *:55145               *:*
bind     named      317   30 tcp4   127.0.0.1:953         *:*
root     syslogd    303   7  udp4   *:514                 *:*
root     dhclient   243   4  udp4   *:68                  *:*

RC.CONF

# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Feb  6 21:23:23 2005#
# Created: Sun Feb  6 21:23:23 2005
# Enable network daemons for user convenience.
# Please make all changes to this file, not to /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
# This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
blanktime="1200"
hostname="w00f.XXXXXXXX.net"
ifconfig_xl0="DHCP"
inetd_enable="YES"
linux_enable="YES"
moused_enable="YES"
named_enable="YES"
saver="daemon"
sendmail_enable="YES"
sshd_enable="YES"
usbd_enable="YES"
named_chrootdir="/var/named"
named_chroot_autoupdate="YES"
syslogd_enable="YES"
enable_quotas="YES"
check_quotas="NO"
webmin_enable="YES"
ntpd_enable="YES"
ntpdate_flags="none"
ntpdate_enable="NO"
oidentd_enable="YES"
apache2_enable="YES"

ifconfig_fxp0="inet 2xx.195.187.219 netmask 255.255.255.0"
ifconfig_xl1="inet 2xx.195.187.244 netmask 2xx.195.191.255"
ifconfig_dc0="inet 192.168.1.110 netmask 255.255.255.0"

I realize my rc.conf is a little abnormal.  When I signed up for
premium service at my ISP I learned I gained extra IP addresses.  I
have cable so they have to be gained through a switch.  I could not
configure more than one interface with DHCP so I had to use the above
last few lines to obtain the IP's.  I didnt tell named to listen on
xl1 so why is named giving an error and filling up my messages log? 
How can I correct the error?

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export HTTP_PROXY="proxy.whatever.name:port number"
export FTP_PROXY="proxy.whatever.name:port number"

as far as any other "clients" for other apps.. thats really up to your proxy 
server administrator and apps you need to use

Hope this helps..


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> Does someone know how to configure network settings so that I can use
> a freeBSD workstation as a proxy client?
>
> Thanks in advance,
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On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:45, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> Mike Jeays  writes:
> 
> > I have at present two emulated SCSI devices on my system; a USB flash
> > drive, and a DVD-writer.
> > 
> > They get assigned:
> >  
> >  0,0,0     0) 'SanDisk ' 'Cruzer Micro    ' '2033' Removable Disk
> >  2,0,0   200) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVDRAM GSA-4160B' 'A300' Removable CD-ROM
> > 
> > if the USB device is present at boot time (I think).
> > 
> > So my script for burning CDs, which says:
> >   mkisofs -J -L -R -o x1.iso "$*"
> >   cdrecord -v dev=2,0,0 x1.iso
> >   rm -f x1.iso
> > is very fragile.
> > 
> > How should I do it?  Write a script to read the output of cdrecord
> > -scanbus and grab the device number?  There has to be a "right" way, and
> > instinct says this isn't it.
> 
> It's not a bad way.  
> 
> I'm not sure I understand why the device numbering is so fragile,
> though; wouldn't the ATAPI buses available at boot time be the same
> whether they have devices or not?

I don't understand either, but it happens.  I rebooted with the flash
drive not plugged in, and the DVD burner is now dev=1,0,0.  Then I
inserted the flash drive, and it was assigned dev=2,0,0.  A second flash
drive got 3,0,0 - which seems reasonable.

So I wrote a tiny Perl script to find the unit number, and call it
before running cdrecord.  It works OK, but it still seems like a kludge
to me.

Thanks for the help.

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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 03:20 pm, Trey Sizemore wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:29 -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote:
> > If the port is prefix compliant you should be able to do
> >
> > make PREFIX=/alternate base dir/
> >
> > Then watch out for libraries the port installs, because
> > they will end up in /alternate base dir/lib.  When that happens
> > run ldconfig -m /alternate base dir/lib, add /alternate base
> > dir/bin to your path and everything should be set.
>
> Thanks.  Couldn't get it to work with gpgme03.  I have gpgme
> installed (as it's needed by a number of my installed ports) but I'm
> trying to install a sylpheed-claws-gtk2 tarball with gpg-mime support
> and it doesn't work with the newer gpgme 1.0.x versions.
>
> I have both
> /usr/local/bin/gpgme-config
> /usr/local/bin/gpgme03-config
>
> and I think I'm getting errors when installing because they're both
> in identical paths and it's trying to build against the newer
> version.  It builds fine if I disable pgp-mime support.
>
> For example, the --help file says:
>
> ~/src/sylpheed-claws$ ./configure --help | grep gpg
>   --with-gpgme-prefix=PFX prefix where GPGME is installed (optional)
>
> So I've been trying to build with:
>
> --with-gpgme-prefix=/usr/local
>
> Any ideas how I might work around this?
>
> Thanks.

Well prefix=/usr/local by default, in otherwords
you change nothing when you use that setting.
Why not try prefix=/home/your home dir/TEMP?

-Mike

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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote:

> Paste in the few lines before the automatic reboot message.   You can
> also force the acpi module to load even if it was blacklisted by
> entering
>
> 	set hint.acpi.0.disabled=0
>
> at the loader prompt before the kernel boots.

Selecting the option which disables ACPI via the boot menu worked fine.
Here's the message that shows when booting normally:

ACPI APIC Table: < ASUS  P2B-D>
ACPI disabled by blacklist. Contact your BIOS vendor.
MADT: ACPI Startup failed with AE_ERROR
Try disabling either ACPI or apic suport.
panic: Using MADT but ACPI doesn't work

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Some friends and I found a couple Equinox SST 8 port cards on eBay.. has 
anyone gotten these working on FBSD 5.3?

So far, all we've found on their website: 
http://www.equinox.com/drivers/superserial/bsdi.html

Considering the 'age' of that driver... we figured maybe.. just 
possibly.. these cards might work on a 5.3 machine?

Thanks in advance!

Best,
--Glenn

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Hello,
    I've got logcheck running on a 5.3 box. Recently i began getting this
error message in an email. I was wondering what it meant?

postdrop: warning: uid=0: File too large
send-mail: fatal: root(0): Message file too big

Thanks.
Dave.

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Can someone explain to me what just happened?!  This system ran fine and hasn't been updated in a while, and I tried to do a cvsup followed by the 'portversion -c update.sh' command I used to... and this happened:
 
bonkers# portversion -c update.sh
[Updating the pkgdb  in /var/db/pkg ... /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:432: warning: Object#type is deprecated; use Object#class
origins - not a string (NilClass); rebuild needed] [Rebuilding the pkgdb  in /var/db/pkg ... - 197 packages found (-0 +197) .ruby18 in free(): error: chunk is already free
Abort (core dumped)
bonkers#

 
Thanks all.


Ralph Los
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    bOUNDARIEZ
 
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This now works and all, but java on FreeBSD is far from perfect.  One
of my favorite sites, www.espn.com, freezes when loaded in firefox
with java enabled (try it out for yourself).  I had this same issue a
while back when I installed java on a Fbsd box.



On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:38:45 -0600, John  wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 06:36:10PM -0500, Benjamin Dover wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:09:48 -0600, John  wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 06:00:51PM -0500, Benjamin Dover wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:22:43 -0500, RL  wrote:
> > > > > Java isn't showing up in about:plugins on Firefox.  I compiled java
> > > > > (when I compiled OpenOffice) and here is my /etc/libmap.conf entry for
> > > > > it (maybe I missed something?)
> > > > >
> > > > > [/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java]
> > > > > libkse.so.1                    libc_r.so.5
> > > > > libkse.so                       libc_r.so
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >  Once I added the jdk14 port I had to create the following symlink to
> > > > get java to work and show up in the plugins.
> > > >
> > > > ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so
> > > > /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > BINGO!
> > >
> > > Geez!  That's great - but how the HECK did you know this was the
> > > magic key?  This shouldn't be so ARCANE!!!
> > >
> > > I'd have been looking for something in a "firefox" branch - in
> > > fact, I was just trying to find such a thing when your e-mail
> > > came.
> > >
> > > THANK YOU!!!
> > > --
> > >
> > > John Lind
> > > john@starfire.MN.ORG
> > >
> > One word.. Google!
> 
> Did that.  Wrong search string, or missed the right page in all the
> hits.
> 
> Thanks again!
> --
> 
> John Lind
> john@starfire.MN.ORG
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:34:46 +0100, Ruben de Groot
 wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:57:28PM -0800, Jeff BSD typed:
> > Hi-
> > I'm in the process of upgrading a 4.6 system to 5.3.  When I boot the
> > machine it gets to:
> 
> How are you doing the upgrade? There are some specific steps about
> upgrading from 4.x to 5.x all the way down in /usr/src/UPGRADING.
> Also, I believe only upgrades from 4-STABLE are supported, so since
> 4.6 is pretty old, you probably should upgrade in 2 steps: 4.6 ->
> 4-STABLE followed by 4-STABLE -> 5.3 (This counts for source upgrades,
> not binary upgrades)
> 
> > ----
> > init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user
> > mode
> > Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user
> > Password:
> > ----
> >
> > I enter the password, then:
> >
> > ----
> > Enter full pathname of shell of RETURN for /bin/sh:
> > pid # (sh), uid 0: exited on signal 12
> > init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user
> > mode
> > Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user
> > Password:
> > ----
> >
> > Round and round I go.
> >
> > Sounds like I broke /bin/sh to me.  I've messed around in safe mode
> > but I can't see how I can use it to possibly fix my problem, assuming
> > I did do anything to /bin/sh (which I don't think I did -
> > intentionally/directly that is).
> >
> > How do I fix it so I can boot it?  A bit of the chicken and the egg,
> > what?
> 
> Yes, it sounds like the easiest way for you would be to boot from a 5.3
> installation CD and just do a binary upgrade. The problem is you now
> have a mixed 4.6/5.3 system with out-of-sync binaries, libs and kernel
> and there really isn't much fun in trying to troubleshoot that.
> 
> If you want to continue down this road, there is a chance that you can at
> least get a working shell by entering /rescue/sh on the above "Enter full
> pathname of shell of RETURN for /bin/sh:" prompt. From there you can use
> other tools from /rescue (if they were allready installed before your
> system got hosed) to try and finish the installworld
> 
> G'luck
> 
> Ruben
> 
> 

Thanks all-
Turned out I was booting the wrong kernel (new kernels are in
/boot/kernel/... duh!)  Took me hours to figure that one out.  As
always, upgrading provides a unique learning experience.  Your advice
was useful and appreciated however.

Jeff

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Michael C. Shultz wrote:

>On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:15 am, Brian John wrote:
>  
>
>>When I try to upgrade my ports I just get error messages.  Can
>>someone help me out?  I'll paste the output below.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>/Brian
>>
>>su-2.05b# portmanager -u
>>portmanager 0.2.6_5 info: executing rm -f
>>/usr/local/share/portmanager/ports_cache.db
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>--- PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: Creating inital data bases
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>---
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>--- PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for missing dependent ports
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>---
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>--- -=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a
>>dependency of linuxpluginwrapper-20050119_1
>>verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by
>>executing command:
>>cd /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper; make  all-depends-list
>>  *  *  *  *
>>linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of
>>things to be updated
>>  *  *  *  *
>>checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be
>>installed listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by
>>executing command: cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make 
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>all-depends-list *  *  *  *
>>dependency -=>archivers/rpm
>>        executing: cd /usr/portsarchivers/rpm; make describe
>>cd: can't cd to /usr/portsarchivers/rpm
>>make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
>>    
>>
>
>The path /usr/portsarchivers/rpm is mangled here. Sorry
>about this it looks like a portmanager bug :(  I'll work on a fix
>right away. 
>
>-Mike
>
>  
>
I tried your fix but it still doesn't seem to be working.  The output is 
below.

Thanks very much for your help

/Brian

creating iconv
/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/libtool15 --mode=install install  -s -o root -g 
wheel -m 555 iconv /usr/local/bin/iconv
libtool15: install: warning: `../lib//libiconv.la' has not been 
installed in `/usr/local/lib'
install -o root -g wheel -m 555 -s .libs/iconv /usr/local/bin/iconv
if [ ! -d /usr/local ] ; then /bin/sh ./autoconf/mkinstalldirs 
/usr/local ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/local ] ; then /bin/sh ./autoconf/mkinstalldirs 
/usr/local ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/local/include ] ; then /bin/sh ./autoconf/mkinstalldirs 
/usr/local/include ; fi
install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 include/iconv.h /usr/local/include/iconv.h
cd po && make install prefix='/usr/local' exec_prefix='/usr/local' 
datadir='/usr/local/share'
if test "libiconv" = "gettext-tools"; then  /bin/sh 
../autoconf/mkinstalldirs /usr/local/share/gettext/po;  for file in 
Makefile.in.in remove-potcdate.sin  quot.sed boldquot.sed en@quot.header 
en@boldquot.header insert-header.sin Rules-quot   Makevars.template; do  
install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./$file  
/usr/local/share/gettext/po/$file;  done;  for file in Makevars; do  rm 
-f /usr/local/share/gettext/po/$file;  done;  else  : ;  fi
cd man && make install prefix='/usr/local' exec_prefix='/usr/local' 
datadir='/usr/local/share' mandir='/usr/local/man'
if [ ! -d /usr/local ] ; then /bin/sh ../autoconf/mkinstalldirs 
/usr/local ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/local/share ] ; then /bin/sh ../autoconf/mkinstalldirs 
/usr/local/share ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/local/man ] ; then /bin/sh ../autoconf/mkinstalldirs 
/usr/local/man ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/local/man/man1 ] ; then /bin/sh ../autoconf/mkinstalldirs 
/usr/local/man/man1 ; fi
builddir="`pwd`"; cd . && for f in *.1 ; do (cd "$builddir"; echo 
install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./$f /usr/local/man/man1/$f ; install  
-o root -g wheel -m 444 ./$f /usr/local/man/man1/$f) ; done
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv.1 /usr/local/man/man1/iconv.1
if [ ! -d /usr/local/man/man3 ] ; then /bin/sh ../autoconf/mkinstalldirs 
/usr/local/man/man3 ; fi
builddir="`pwd`"; cd . && for f in *.3 ; do (cd "$builddir"; echo 
install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./$f /usr/local/man/man3/$f ; install  
-o root -g wheel -m 444 ./$f /usr/local/man/man3/$f) ; done
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv.3 /usr/local/man/man3/iconv.3
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv_close.3 
/usr/local/man/man3/iconv_close.3
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv_open.3 
/usr/local/man/man3/iconv_open.3
if [ ! -d /usr/local/share/doc ] ; then /bin/sh 
../autoconf/mkinstalldirs /usr/local/share/doc ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv ] ; then /bin/sh 
../autoconf/mkinstalldirs /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv ; fi
mkdir -p -- /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv
if [ ! -d /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv ] ; then /bin/sh 
../autoconf/mkinstalldirs /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv ; fi
builddir="`pwd`"; cd . && for f in *.html ; do (cd "$builddir"; echo 
install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./$f /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/$f ; 
install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./$f /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/$f) 
; done
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv.1.html 
/usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/iconv.1.html
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv.3.html 
/usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/iconv.3.html
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv_close.3.html 
/usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/iconv_close.3.html
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv_open.3.html 
/usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/iconv_open.3.html
===>   Compressing manual pages for libiconv-1.9.2_1
===>   Running ldconfig
/sbin/ldconfig -m /usr/local/lib
===>   Registering installation for libiconv-1.9.2_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
deleting backup copy, installation of updated /converters/libiconv 
successful
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #6 of 8 cd /tmp; rm -f libiconv-1.9.2_1.tgz
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
making package of updated /converters/libiconv
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #7 of 8 cd 
/usr/ports/converters/libiconv; make package
------------------------------------------------------------------------
===>  Building package for libiconv-1.9.2_1
Creating package /usr/ports/converters/libiconv/libiconv-1.9.2_1.tbz
Registering depends:.
Creating bzip'd tar ball in 
'/usr/ports/converters/libiconv/libiconv-1.9.2_1.tbz'
------------------------------------------------------------------------
terminal clean of work directories
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #8 of 8 cd 
/usr/ports/converters/libiconv; make clean
------------------------------------------------------------------------
===>  Cleaning for libtool-1.5.10
===>  Cleaning for libiconv-1.9.2_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: Creating inital data bases
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for missing dependent ports
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a 
dependency of linuxpluginwrapper-20050119_1
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of 
things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be installed
listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>archivers/rpm
        executing: cd /usr/ports/archivers/rpm; make describe
  *  *  *  *
adding rpm-3.0.6_9 to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227[/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk] may be 
a dependency of nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.6_1
verifing dependency status of cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 (may take 
awhile) by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/nautilus-cd-burner; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to 
list of things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 dependencies that also may not 
be installed
listing cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227's known dependencies by executing 
command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/ports/converters/libiconv; make describe
  *  *  *  *
adding libiconv-1.9.2_1 to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227[/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk] may be 
a dependency of totem-0.100
verifing dependency status of cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 (may take 
awhile) by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/multimedia/totem; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to 
list of things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 dependencies that also may not 
be installed
listing cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227's known dependencies by executing 
command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/ports/converters/libiconv; make describe
  *  *  *  *
adding libiconv-1.9.2_1 to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a 
dependency of linux-pango-1.2.1_2
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-pango; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of 
things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be installed
listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>archivers/rpm
        executing: cd /usr/ports/archivers/rpm; make describe
  *  *  *  *
adding rpm-3.0.6_9 to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a 
dependency of apsfilter-7.2.6
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/print/apsfilter; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is no longer a dependency of apsfilter-7.2.6
 forcing rebuild of apsfilter-7.2.6 to fix 
/var/db/pkg/apsfilter-7.2.6/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-8-8.0_6 may conflict with a new apsfilter-7.2.6 
dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-8-8.0_6".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of apsfilter-7.2.6 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8] may be a 
dependency of linux-gtk2-2.2.1_3
verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of 
things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be installed
listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>archivers/rpm
        executing: cd /usr/ports/archivers/rpm; make describe
  *  *  *  *
adding rpm-3.0.6_9 to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for old installed ports
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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have:apsfilter-7.2.6           status: CURRENT: /print/apsfilter        
have:foomatic-db-20040107_2    status: CURRENT: /print/foomatic-db      
have:libfpx-1.2.0.11           status: CURRENT: /graphics/libfpx        
have:libpaper-1.1.14.3         status: CURRENT: /print/libpaper         
have:linux-gtk2-2.2.1_3        status: CURRENT: /x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for installed ports built with old 
dependencies
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
OLD kdeutils-3.3.2 built with old dependency 
samba-libsmbclient-3.0.10_1, current dependency is 
samba-libsmbclient-3.0.11_1
OLD kde-3.3.2 built with old dependency samba-libsmbclient-3.0.10_1, 
current dependency is samba-libsmbclient-3.0.11_1
OLD mplayer-gtk-esound-0.99.5_6 built with old dependency 
gnutls-1.0.21_1, current dependency is gnutls-1.0.24
OLD gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 built with old dependency gnupg-1.4.0, current 
dependency is gnupg-1.4.0_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
status report finished
========================================================================
upgrade 0.2.6_5 info: ignoring linux_base-8-8.0_6, reason: failed during 
(5) emergancy restore
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: rpm-3.0.6_9 has a dependency 
libiconv-1.9.2_1 that needs to be updated first
upgrade 0.2.6_5 info: ignoring cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227, reason: 
failed during (5) emergancy restore
upgrade 0.2.6_5 WARNING: This is the second time libiconv-1.9.2_1 is 
being built,
one more attempt and it will be marked as ignore.

libiconv-1.9.2_1 not found in dependencyPortsDb property->fieldChildPortName
Assertion failed: (0), function upgrade, file PMGRrUpgrade.c, line 271.
Abort trap (core dumped)
su-2.05b#

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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 08:05 pm, you wrote:
> Michael C. Shultz wrote:
> >On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:15 am, Brian John wrote:
> >>When I try to upgrade my ports I just get error messages.  Can
> >>someone help me out?  I'll paste the output below.
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>/Brian
> >>
> >>su-2.05b# portmanager -u
> >>portmanager 0.2.6_5 info: executing rm -f
> >>/usr/local/share/portmanager/ports_cache.db
> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>-- --- PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: Creating inital data bases
> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>-- ---
> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>-- --- PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for missing dependent
> >> ports
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>--- ---
> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>-- --- -=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8]
> >> may be a dependency of linuxpluginwrapper-20050119_1
> >>verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile)
> >> by executing command:
> >>cd /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper; make  all-depends-list
> >>  *  *  *  *
> >>linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list
> >> of things to be updated
> >>  *  *  *  *
> >>checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be
> >>installed listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by
> >>executing command: cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>all-depends-list *  *  *  *
> >>dependency -=>archivers/rpm
> >>        executing: cd /usr/portsarchivers/rpm; make describe
> >>cd: can't cd to /usr/portsarchivers/rpm
> >>make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
> >
> >The path /usr/portsarchivers/rpm is mangled here. Sorry
> >about this it looks like a portmanager bug :(  I'll work on a fix
> >right away.
> >
> >-Mike
>
> I tried your fix but it still doesn't seem to be working.  The output
> is below.
>
> Thanks very much for your help
>
> /Brian

Brian, to get you past the problem all you need do is

cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-rh-9
make deinstall
cd ~
portmanager -u

emulators/linux_base-rh-9 is conflicting with emulators/linux_base-8

This output you sent just identified a bug I've been trying to track 
down for ages! Thanks for sending it!  It will be a few days to fix
it but I think you will be ok when your remove /linux_base-rh-9.
Let me know how it goes ok?

-Mike


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> Oh my goodness!  There's a TON of "libjavapuglin_*.so" files.
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> How do I know which one to use?

Look at the Makefile in /usr/ports/www/firefox.  It looks for several 
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Michael C. Shultz wrote:

>On Tuesday 15 February 2005 08:05 pm, you wrote:
>  
>
>>Michael C. Shultz wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:15 am, Brian John wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>When I try to upgrade my ports I just get error messages.  Can
>>>>someone help me out?  I'll paste the output below.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>/Brian
>>>>
>>>>su-2.05b# portmanager -u
>>>>portmanager 0.2.6_5 info: executing rm -f
>>>>/usr/local/share/portmanager/ports_cache.db
>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>-- --- PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: Creating inital data bases
>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>-- ---
>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>-- --- PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for missing dependent
>>>>ports
>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>--- ---
>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>-- --- -=>MISSING<=- linux_base-8-8.0_6[/emulators/linux_base-8]
>>>>may be a dependency of linuxpluginwrapper-20050119_1
>>>>verifing dependency status of linux_base-8-8.0_6 (may take awhile)
>>>>by executing command:
>>>>cd /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper; make  all-depends-list
>>>> *  *  *  *
>>>>linux_base-8-8.0_6 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list
>>>>of things to be updated
>>>> *  *  *  *
>>>>checking for linux_base-8-8.0_6 dependencies that also may not be
>>>>installed listing linux_base-8-8.0_6's known dependencies by
>>>>executing command: cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-8; make
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>all-depends-list *  *  *  *
>>>>dependency -=>archivers/rpm
>>>>       executing: cd /usr/portsarchivers/rpm; make describe
>>>>cd: can't cd to /usr/portsarchivers/rpm
>>>>make: don't know how to make describe. Stop
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>The path /usr/portsarchivers/rpm is mangled here. Sorry
>>>about this it looks like a portmanager bug :(  I'll work on a fix
>>>right away.
>>>
>>>-Mike
>>>      
>>>
>>I tried your fix but it still doesn't seem to be working.  The output
>>is below.
>>
>>Thanks very much for your help
>>
>>/Brian
>>    
>>
>
>Brian, to get you past the problem all you need do is
>
>cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-rh-9
>make deinstall
>cd ~
>portmanager -u
>
>emulators/linux_base-rh-9 is conflicting with emulators/linux_base-8
>
>This output you sent just identified a bug I've been trying to track 
>down for ages! Thanks for sending it!  It will be a few days to fix
>it but I think you will be ok when your remove /linux_base-rh-9.
>Let me know how it goes ok?
>
>-Mike
>
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I tried that and I am still having problems.  Output is below.

Thanks

/Brian

install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv_open.3.html 
/usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/iconv_open.3.html
===>   Compressing manual pages for libiconv-1.9.2_1
===>   Running ldconfig
/sbin/ldconfig -m /usr/local/lib
===>   Registering installation for libiconv-1.9.2_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
deleting backup copy, installation of updated /converters/libiconv 
successful
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #6 of 8 cd /tmp; rm -f libiconv-1.9.2_1.tgz
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
making package of updated /converters/libiconv
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #7 of 8 cd 
/usr/ports/converters/libiconv; make package
------------------------------------------------------------------------
===>  Building package for libiconv-1.9.2_1
Creating package /usr/ports/converters/libiconv/libiconv-1.9.2_1.tbz
Registering depends:.
Creating bzip'd tar ball in 
'/usr/ports/converters/libiconv/libiconv-1.9.2_1.tbz'
------------------------------------------------------------------------
terminal clean of work directories
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #8 of 8 cd 
/usr/ports/converters/libiconv; make clean
------------------------------------------------------------------------
===>  Cleaning for libtool-1.5.10
===>  Cleaning for libiconv-1.9.2_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: Creating inital data bases
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for missing dependent ports
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a 
dependency of linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/java/linux-sun-jdk14; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1
 forcing rebuild of linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1 to fix 
/var/db/pkg/linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new 
linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1 dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a 
dependency of linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin6; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2
 forcing rebuild of linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2 to fix 
/var/db/pkg/linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new 
linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2 dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2 then 
review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a 
dependency of acroread-5.10_1
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/print/acroread; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of acroread-5.10_1
 forcing rebuild of acroread-5.10_1 to fix 
/var/db/pkg/acroread-5.10_1/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new acroread-5.10_1 dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of acroread-5.10_1 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a 
dependency of linux-png-1.2.7_5
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/graphics/linux-png; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-png-1.2.7_5
 forcing rebuild of linux-png-1.2.7_5 to fix 
/var/db/pkg/linux-png-1.2.7_5/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new linux-png-1.2.7_5 
dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-png-1.2.7_5 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a 
dependency of linux-fontconfig-2.1_2
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/x11-fonts/linux-fontconfig; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-fontconfig-2.1_2
 forcing rebuild of linux-fontconfig-2.1_2 to fix 
/var/db/pkg/linux-fontconfig-2.1_2/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new linux-fontconfig-2.1_2 
dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-fontconfig-2.1_2 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a 
dependency of linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/multimedia/linux-realplayer; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1
 forcing rebuild of linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 to fix 
/var/db/pkg/linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new 
linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a 
dependency of linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by 
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/x11/linux-XFree86-libs; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2
 forcing rebuild of linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2 to fix 
/var/db/pkg/linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new 
linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2 dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2 
then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227[/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk] may be 
a dependency of nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.6_1
verifing dependency status of cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 (may take 
awhile) by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/nautilus-cd-burner; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to 
list of things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 dependencies that also may not 
be installed
listing cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227's known dependencies by executing 
command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/ports/converters/libiconv; make describe
  *  *  *  *
adding libiconv-1.9.2_1 to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227[/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk] may be 
a dependency of totem-0.100
verifing dependency status of cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 (may take 
awhile) by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/multimedia/totem; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to 
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  *  *  *  *
checking for cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 dependencies that also may not 
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listing cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227's known dependencies by executing 
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cd /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
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        executing: cd /usr/ports/converters/libiconv; make describe
  *  *  *  *
adding libiconv-1.9.2_1 to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a 
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verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by 
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cd /usr/ports/graphics/linux-gdk-pixbuf; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of 
linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1
 forcing rebuild of linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 to fix 
/var/db/pkg/linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new 
linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.11.3.5_1 
then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
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------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for installed ports built with old 
dependencies
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
OLD kdeutils-3.3.2 built with old dependency 
samba-libsmbclient-3.0.10_1, current dependency is 
samba-libsmbclient-3.0.11_1
OLD kde-3.3.2 built with old dependency samba-libsmbclient-3.0.10_1, 
current dependency is samba-libsmbclient-3.0.11_1
OLD mplayer-gtk-esound-0.99.5_6 built with old dependency 
gnutls-1.0.21_1, current dependency is gnutls-1.0.24
OLD gnupg-devel-1.9.14_1 built with old dependency gnupg-1.4.0, current 
dependency is gnupg-1.4.0_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
status report finished
========================================================================
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1 has a 
dependency libiconv-1.9.2_1 that needs to be updated first
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2 has a 
dependency libiconv-1.9.2_1 that needs to be updated first
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: acroread-5.10_1 has a dependency 
libiconv-1.9.2_1 that needs to be updated first
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: linux-png-1.2.7_5 has a dependency 
libiconv-1.9.2_1 that needs to be updated first
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: linux-fontconfig-2.1_2 has a 
dependency libiconv-1.9.2_1 that needs to be updated first
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 has a 
dependency libiconv-1.9.2_1 that needs to be updated first
checkForOldDepencies 0.2.6_5 skip: linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2 has a 
dependency libiconv-1.9.2_1 that needs to be updated first
upgrade 0.2.6_5 info: ignoring cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227, reason: 
failed during (5) emergancy restore
upgrade 0.2.6_5 WARNING: This is the second time libiconv-1.9.2_1 is 
being built,
one more attempt and it will be marked as ignore.

libiconv-1.9.2_1 not found in dependencyPortsDb property->fieldChildPortName
Assertion failed: (0), function upgrade, file PMGRrUpgrade.c, line 271.
Abort trap (core dumped)

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Ralph writes:

>  Can someone explain to me what just happened?!  This system ran
>  fine and hasn't been updated in a while, and I tried to do a
>  cvsup followed by the 'portversion -c update.sh' command I used
>  to... and this happened:

	Try /usr/ports/UPDATING, entries 20050205 and 20041224.


				Robert Huff

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I'm newbie and I'm trying to set up a test network
than isn't connected to Internet on FreeBSD 4.7

I was wondering if it is possible to set up my FreeBSD
4.7 as a authentication server for 802.1x security
using D-Link 624 Wireless Router.

1 more stupid question do I need a wireless NIC for
the FreeBSD box? 




		
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On Tuesday 15 February 2005 08:52 pm, Brian John wrote:

Brian, I can't send this to you as a patch because it would
conflict with the last pr I submitted so I need you to do it this
way instead:

cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager
make deinstall
make clean
make patch
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager/work/portmanager-0.2.6/libPMGR/src
ee PMGRrUpgrade.c
scroll down to line 271and change:

assert(0);

to 

continue;

cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager
make install clean

Then let me know how it goes.  If this works for you I'll be adding it 
in the next change, I haven't been able to duplicate this on my machine 
so right now you are my only hope of fixing this bug.

-Mike

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################################
Ignore my last message! change assert(0); to break; not continue;
#################################

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 08:52 pm, Brian John wrote:

Brian, I can't send this to you as a patch because it would
conflict with the last pr I submitted so I need you to do it this
way instead:

cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager
make deinstall
make clean
make patch
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager/work/portmanager-0.2.6/libPMGR/src
ee PMGRrUpgrade.c
scroll down to line 271and change:

assert(0);

to 

break;

cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager
make install clean

Then let me know how it goes.  If this works for you I'll be adding it 
in the next change, I haven't been able to duplicate this on my machine 
so right now you are my only hope of fixing this bug.

-Mike

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All,
  I just noticed that Hulu Server
(http://hula-project.org/index.php/Hula_Server) was released.  They
only mention Linux support at this time, but provide source install
instructions.  What is the best approach to installing this on
freeBSD?

Thanks!
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Help. I get an error when I execute netstat -rn command. I'm using
FreeBSD 5.3 release.

command:
#netstat -rn

error:
netstat: kvm not available
Routing tables
rt_tables: symbol not in namelist
#


How do I fix this?


Thanks,

Robert Stevenson

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Hello,
    I ran a
portversion -l "<"
and discovered that both squirrelmail and apache were out of date. I ran
portupgrade -arR
which went fine as far as packages go, but when portupgrade tried to execute
the apache2 startup script as part of it's final updating it couldn't load
mod_suexec i'm assuming those modules didn't get compiled or recompiled
during the update. In my pkgtools.conf file i have an entry for apache2 with
the following options:
WITH_AUTH_MODULES=yes WITH_DAV_MODULES=yes WITH_MISC_MODULES=yes
WITH_SSL_MODULES=yes WITH_SUEXEC_MODULES=yes WITH_LDAP_MODULES=yes
WITHOUT_EXPERIMENTAL_MODULES=yes WITHOUT_PROXY_MODULES=yes
WITHOUT_THREADS_MODULES=yes
Any suggestions welcome. As a tempoary fix i've commented out the suexec
module load line.
Thanks.
Dave.

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I have a box with DPT PM2044 SmartCacheIV UW-SCSI PCI cards which can do 
RAID-5 in hardware, but I'd have to use the DOS volume manager to set up 
the array. I have heard reports that vinum woudl be faster than using the 
native card. Is this true? Should I not bother with doing the hardware raid 
and just go with vinum?

The rest of the system is a k6-2 400mhz with 256mb ram (amount might change).
I will also have moderate network i/o on the pci bus (obviously).

TIA,
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Here's one for the sendmail gurus:

I have a FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE #0 box with sendmail 8.13.1 built from 
source.  I've hacked on the host.mc file a bit, adding delay_checks, a 
few DNSBLs, and a config for authenticated relaying.  I also have a 
largish access database, a few domains in local-host-names, and a 
virtusertable.

Everything works for authenticated relaying and local delivery, but 
email that is generated on the local system (daily reports, for 
example) destined for local or SMTP delivery gets bit-bucketed with 
"Data format error" and "Losing  savemail panic"  in the 
maillog.

But, if I add the user that's generating the mail to the virtusertable, 
everything works fine.  I've never had to do this on a box running 8.12 
or earlier.  Any hints?

Thanks!

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Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 88, Issue 54
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 > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:21:32 -0500
 > From: Benjamin Dover 
 > Subject: named error in /var/log/messages

 > I am running fBSD 5.3 Release.  I get this message repeated in
 > /var/log/messages
 > 
 > Feb 15 17:27:09 w00f named[317]: omitting IPv4 interface xl1 from
 > localnets ACL: address mask not contiguous
[..]

 > w00f# sockstat -4l
 > USER     COMMAND    PID   FD PROTO  LOCAL ADDRESS         FOREIGN ADDRESS
[..]
 > bind     named      317   20 udp4   2xx.195.187.218:53     *:*
 > bind     named      317   21 tcp4   2xx.195.187.218:53     *:*
 > bind     named      317   22 udp4   192.168.1.110:53      *:*
 > bind     named      317   23 tcp4   192.168.1.110:53      *:*
 > bind     named      317   24 udp4   2xx.195.187.219:53     *:*
 > bind     named      317   25 tcp4   2xx.195.187.219:53     *:*
 > bind     named      317   26 udp4   127.0.0.1:53          *:*
 > bind     named      317   27 tcp4   127.0.0.1:53          *:*
 > bind     named      317   28 udp4   *:55145               *:*
 > bind     named      317   30 tcp4   127.0.0.1:953         *:*

 > RC.CONF
[..]
 > ifconfig_fxp0="inet 2xx.195.187.219 netmask 255.255.255.0"
 > ifconfig_xl1="inet 2xx.195.187.244 netmask 2xx.195.191.255"

'address mask not contiguous' ie contiguous one bits from the left.

 > ifconfig_dc0="inet 192.168.1.110 netmask 255.255.255.0"
 > 
 > I realize my rc.conf is a little abnormal.  When I signed up for
 > premium service at my ISP I learned I gained extra IP addresses.  I
 > have cable so they have to be gained through a switch.  I could not
 > configure more than one interface with DHCP so I had to use the above
 > last few lines to obtain the IP's.  I didnt tell named to listen on
 > xl1 so why is named giving an error and filling up my messages log? 
 > How can I correct the error?

It's not clear from this where the .218 address shown by sockstat comes
from, or which interface it's assigned to?  Maybe I've pruned too much? 
'ifconfig -au' would be informative.  Anyway .. 

Assuming fxp0 with address .219 is the A address of host w00f on a /24
net as indicated by the fxp0 netmask, then you shouldn't have another
interface on that subnet except as a /32 (single IP address), though
apparently not an alias as such, being on another interface.

I'm not clear how this works through your switch, but try xl1 (.244)
with a 255.255.255.255 (0xffffffff) netmask. Then when you tell named
which addresses to bind to it'll be dealing with addresses it can find.

Cheers, Ian

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Daniela wrote:

> Well, if the OS selects the source IP, can't I just modify the code that 
> selects it? Will this work all the time, or just when the application lets 
> the OS select an address for it?

It should "just work" - that is, the source address for internal packes 
should already _be_ that of the internal interface. Your routing table 
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Hi there,
Is there any tool for resizing a UFS partition or slice?

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Quoting Lowell Gilbert :

> Hiram Abiff  writes:
>
> > I followed your advice and rewrote my firewall rules.
> > Although, even now, there are some major difficulties.
>
> Please remember that you sent this message to a mailing list with a
> very large number of people.  I, for one, do not remember the earlier
> messages, and may not have read them.
>

I appologize for the inconvenience. I will try to be clearer.

> > I still, can't acces the net from my 2 other computers
> > via my FreeBSD firewalled gateway.
> > Although I set up on it to allow traffic on
> > ports 21, 22, 53, 8080 I can only telent to port
> > 21, all the others report a "connection refused" error.
>
> Where did you do this from?
>

I tried accesing the FreeBSD box from the 2 other computers
I have. Also I tried telneting from the FreeBSD box to itself.

> > I can ping the FreeBSD box, but i cannot ping any outside
> > IP addresseses from the FreeBSD box or the other boxes on my
> > home LAN.
>
> In other words, not only can't you access the net from the other
> computers, but you can't from the FreeBSD box either?

Unfortunately, yes. I tried pinging outside computers by
IP address but I canćt anymore.

>
> Does anything work *without* the firewall?

Yes, before I started messing with the firewall I had squid
set up, I set up FreeBSD as a gateway and also as a DNS
server. I could acces the WWW, ftp, telnet and all the
other services at will, inside and outside my home LAN.
>
> > Also when FreeBSD is booting I caught some error messages that
> > said unknow command "setup" for some of my firewall rules.
>
> Kind of need more details here.  I can't see what that could be...
>

I was thinking maybe I misplaces the setup keyword in my
firewall rule file. Did u happen to see it, I posted it in my
last mail. I dončt understand how ftp works and my
proxy serevr doesn't if I used the very same and exact
syntax to define the rules.

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Hello,
 
I have a computer with 2 disks. On one of them freebsd is installed. The
other one is a FAT32 drive. I would like to mount the FAT32 drive, but my
dmesg log reports errors (see below). The drive still contains some data I'd
like to retrieve (after that is done a format of the drive would be an
option). Any suggestions on how I could do that (best)?

Regards,

Freek Nossin

dmesg output:
 
<...>
ad0: 1626MB  [3305/16/63] at ata0-master WDMA2
ad1: 38172MB  [77557/16/63] at ata0-slave WDMA2
acd0: CDROM  at ata1-slave PIO4
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem
mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem
cd9660: Joliet Extension (Level 3)
cd9660: Joliet Extension (Level 3)
cd9660: Joliet Extension (Level 3)
cd9660: Joliet Extension (Level 3)
cd9660: RockRidge Extension
pid 2534 (dd), uid 2 inumber 70969 on /: filesystem full
pid 2555 (dd), uid 2 inumber 70977 on /: filesystem full
pid 2583 (dd), uid 2 inumber 70981 on /: filesystem full
mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem
mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem
mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem


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I want to be able to update a user's crontab from a script. tabs
in /var/cron/tabs carry a warning that the file should not be edited
directly, so presumably something like

#echo "5 * * * *   /some/script.sh" >> /var/cron/tabs/$USER

is the wrong approach. Is the right approach:

#cat ~/.mycrontab
5 * * * *   /some/script.sh

#crontab ~/.mycrontab

The right way to go? I notice this approach blows away existing crontab
entries, and was hoping to be able to append new ones instead, but then
by treating ~/.mycrontab as the master file, I can manage this OK.

TIA.

Peter.

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Hello,

I've been playing with ULE on 5.3-STABLE and have come up with some
repeatable issues.  To which list should I post these?  -STABLE,
-CURRENT, -QUESTIONS?

-- 
Regards,
Doug

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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:14, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Ian Moore wrote:
> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:21, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >> I would probably install src/usr.sbin/ and recompile cron to use
> >> the -f flag.  The flags are settible in cron/config.h in the source,
> >> FreeBSD uses
> >>
> >> #define MAILARGS "%s -FCronDaemon -odi -oem -oi -t"             /*-*/
> >>
> >> just change this to
> >>
> >> #define MAILARGS "%s -FCronDaemon -froot@verizon.net -odi -oem -oi
> >> -t" /*-*/
> >>
> >> Ted
> >
> > Thanks, I'll give that a go.
> > BTW, using C{E} instead if C{E}root plus the MASQUERADE_AS
> > macro doesn't seem
> > to work.  I didn't try the MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE macro with it though.
> > Actually, even sending mail as my own local user on the system
> > ends up with
> > the hostname added in. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong.
> > Anyway, from what you've both said, rebuilding cron sounds
> > like a better
> > solution. Once I've modified the source, do I just do a make install
> > from the /usr/src/usr.sbin/cron directory?
>
> It would be better to mv the existing cron binary to cron.backup, then
> copy the cron binary from the build directory.  No point in changing
> anything else, the binary is the only thing that changes.

Hi,
Sorry, I'm still having trouble with this - my changes don't seem to=20
have had any effect, cron is still sending mail as=20
root@internal.hamcoll.sa.edu.au (Cron Daemon)
I think I've done something wrong!

What I did was:

#cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/cron
#ee config.h:
and I changed the line
  #define MAILARGS "%s -FCronDaemon -odi -oem -oi -t"              /*-*/
  to
  #define MAILARGS "%s -Froot@hamcoll.sa.edu.au -odi -oem -oi -t"  /*-*/

(I assume the # at the beginning is correct?)

then I did:
/usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/cron# cd ..
/usr/src/usr.sbin/cron# make
=3D=3D=3D> lib
Warning: Object directory not changed from original=20
/usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/lib
cc -O -pipe  -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/lib/../cron -DLOGIN_CAP  -c entry.c
cc -O -pipe  -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/lib/../cron -DLOGIN_CAP  -c env.c
cc -O -pipe  -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/lib/../cron -DLOGIN_CAP  -c misc.c
building static cron library
ranlib libcron.a
=3D=3D=3D> cron
Warning: Object directory not changed from original=20
/usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/cron
cc -O -pipe  -DLOGIN_CAP  -c cron.c
cc -O -pipe  -DLOGIN_CAP  -c database.c
cc -O -pipe  -DLOGIN_CAP  -c do_command.c
cc -O -pipe  -DLOGIN_CAP  -c job.c
cc -O -pipe  -DLOGIN_CAP  -c user.c
cc -O -pipe  -DLOGIN_CAP  -c popen.c
cc -O -pipe  -DLOGIN_CAP   -o cron cron.o database.o do_command.o job.o=20
user.o popen.o /usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/cron/../lib/libcron.a -lutil
gzip -cn cron.8 > cron.8.gz
=3D=3D=3D> crontab
Warning: Object directory not changed from original=20
/usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/crontab
cc -O -pipe  -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/crontab/../cron  -c crontab.c
cc -O -pipe  -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/crontab/../cron   -o crontab=20
crontab.o /usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/crontab/../lib/libcron.a -lutil
gzip -cn crontab.1 > crontab.1.gz
gzip -cn crontab.5 > crontab.5.gz

(Are the warnings are harmless?)
Then:
# /etc/rc.d/cron stop
# cp /usr/src/usr.sbin/cron/cron/cron /usr/sbin
# chmod 555 /usr/sbin/cron
# /etc/rc.d/cron start

Cheers,
=2D-=20
Ian

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Doug Poland wrote:
> Hello,
>=20
> I've been playing with ULE on 5.3-STABLE and have come up with some
> repeatable issues.  To which list should I post these?  -STABLE,
> -CURRENT, -QUESTIONS?

Since it's on -stable, I'd suggest freebsd-stable@, like last time :-)

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Perhaps you have update ruby after portupgrade ?
uninstall portupgrade with pkg_delete et rebuild it.
See if it's work

 --- Ralph  a écrit : 
> Can someone explain to me what just happened?!  This
> system ran fine and hasn't been updated in a while,
> and I tried to do a cvsup followed by the
> 'portversion -c update.sh' command I used to... and
> this happened:
>  
> bonkers# portversion -c update.sh
> [Updating the pkgdb  in /var/db/pkg
> ... /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:432:
> warning: Object#type is deprecated; use Object#class
> origins - not a string (NilClass); rebuild needed]
> [Rebuilding the pkgdb  in
> /var/db/pkg ... - 197 packages found (-0 +197)
> .ruby18 in free(): error: chunk is already free
> Abort (core dumped)
> bonkers#
> 
>  
> Thanks all.
> 
> 
> Ralph Los
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 08:56:49AM -0800, ann kok wrote:
> Hi Loren
> 
> Thank you for your mail again
> 
> For the monitor sofeware iptraf , I can't get it in
> the port. Why freebsd doesn't support it!
> I tried to install in freebsd from the tarball and got
> an error messages!

Well, the program seems to be heavily based on the low-level network
interface that linux uses and will require a little bit of effort to
port to freebsd.  I use it on one of my linux routers.  I don't think I
have the time at the moment to port it, but maybe this program might be
interesting enough to someone else on this list for them to take the
time.  I can update you if I am able to get anything working if you
want.

> 
> I need sth to prove the traffic to those routers from
> outside. 
> 
> Do you have experience the max traffic freebsd can
> support? It seems to support max 230M only!

If you have a computer on both sides of the router then you can run a
timed test to see how fast the traffic is.  My ISP runs redhat and gave
me a shell account to use.  The following can be a useful test:

time ssh remote-system dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=10 > /dev/null

That will tell you the time to send 10 megs of data from a remote
computer to the one your running it on.  Make sure you read the real
time, not user or system.  This doesn't take into account other traffic
at the same time, but if it's just occasional webpage access, it may not
be a big deal.  Now this may not be too accurate, I don't know how much
bigger the data gets by doing encryption, so a ftp transfer would
probably be better.

> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> --- "Loren M. Lang"  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:21:03AM -0800, ann kok
> > wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > > 
> > > Thank you very much for your help
> > > 
> > > The freebsd router is behind the cisco router.
> > > 
> > > Do you have any experience to determine the
> > traffic is
> > > in freebsd and cisco from outside?
> > > 
> > > Can traceroute give figure to prove it?
> > 
> > I'm not quite sure if I understand what you're
> > asking, but if you want
> > to see what traffic is going into/out of/through
> > them, tcpdump is a good
> > command-line based packet sniffer and ethereal is
> > it's gui cousin.  You
> > can even use tcpdump to capture data and later view
> > it on a different
> > computer with ethereal.  iptraf will show you
> > general usage of the
> > traffic crossing your router.  If your asking to see
> > what path the
> > traffic is taking from point A to point B, then
> > traceroute is your best
> > friend.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Please help
> > > 
> > > Thank you again
> > > 
> > > --- "Loren M. Lang"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann
> > kok
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi all
> > > > > 
> > > > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd
> > > > router
> > > > > but I don't understand ttl (time to live)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router
> > has 58
> > > > > Does it set by the router itself?
> > > > > Can I change it in freebsd?
> > > > 
> > > > FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's
> > is
> > > > probably 255.  As
> > > > long as the number of hops neccessary to get to
> > a
> > > > certain computer is
> > > > never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with
> > it. 
> > > > The highest I've
> > > > seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to
> > have
> > > > to grow a bit, I
> > > > think, before it's an issue.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you
> > > > > 
> > > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151
> > ttl=251
> > > > > time=100 ms
> > > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152
> > ttl=251
> > > > > time=103 ms
> > > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153
> > ttl=251
> > > > > time=104 ms
> > > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154
> > ttl=251
> > > > > time=106 ms
> > > > > 
> > > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182
> > ttl=58
> > > > > time=105 ms
> > > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183
> > ttl=58
> > > > > time=105 ms
> > > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184
> > ttl=58
> > > > > time=104 ms
> > > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185
> > ttl=58
> > > > > time=108 ms
> > > > > 
> > > > >
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> > > > NT is the path to the darkside.
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> > 
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> > I sense much NT in you.
> > NT leads to Bluescreen.
> > Bluescreen leads to downtime.
> > Downtime leads to suffering.
> > NT is the path to the darkside.
> > Powerful Unix is.
> > 
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On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:54:05PM -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote:
> --On Monday, February 14, 2005 11:53:04 AM -0500 Christopher McGee 
>  wrote:
> >
> >Could you please give some detail about setting options for individual
> >ports in make.conf?  Maybe I missed something in 'man make.conf' or 'man
> >ports' but everything seems to refer to global options.  The only example
> >I've found is in man portmanager, but I'm still a little unsure about the
> >how to do it properly.
> >
> Since Mike posted an example, I won't repeat it.  I should point out that 
> you can also use /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf.  Here's an example of that:
> 
> MAKE_ARGS = {
>    'security/snort-*' => 'WITH_MYSQL=1 WITH_FLEXRESP=1'
>  }

One thing that should be mentioned here is that this only works when one
is using portupgrade for installing and upgrading ports.  People using
portmanager or just the straight makefiles in /usr/ports won't be
benifiting from this.

> 
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You can't run spamassassin as root (see your
configuration).
Well, it fall back to nobody user, because you don't
specify anything.
The problem is that the working directory is in root
dir (/root)
Well, spamassassin running in nobody try to write in
root directory ! It's forbidden
Edit you conf and find nobody
replace it by a spamc user, you have created before
... (don't put root, it's dangerous)

ok see if it's work
see ya
 --- Eric F Crist  a
écrit : 
> Can anyone tell me how to fix the following two
> errors?
> 
> Feb 15 17:43:13 grog spamd[594]: Still running as
> root: user not 
> specified with -u, not found, or set to root.  Fall
> back to nobody.
> Feb 15 17:43:13 grog spamd[594]: processing message 
> <20050215234319.24178.qmail@web50710.mail.yahoo.com>
> for root:65534.
> Feb 15 17:43:13 grog spamd[594]: Cannot open bayes
> databases 
> /root/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie failed:
> Permission denied
> Feb 15 17:43:15 grog last message repeated 2 times
> 
> I'm getting all sorts of bayes database errors.  Is
> there something I 
> didn't update when I installed the system?  Also, I
> tried a -u nobody 
> to spamd, but it just seemed to hang.
> 
> TIA
> 
>
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On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 12:12:12PM +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote:
> Vittorio wrote:
> >With a FBSD 5.3 box I use to compile my favourite programs from scratch 
> >with:
> >cd /usr/ports/prog_I_want
> >make
> >make install clean
> >
> >But sometimes I have to interrupt the compilation because the PC is shared 
> >with other people.
> >
> >How can I resume the compilation session from where I stopped it?
> 
> If you -c, then compilation breaks. As long as the 'make clean' 
> has not been done, next time you 'make' it will continue where it stopped.
> 
> If it is only a short period, you can -z (suspend), then you can 
> see the job with 'jobs', make it nice 'renice -20 %', start 
> it again in background with 'bg %1' or in foreground with 'fg %1'.

This also applies to using portupgrade, but if you stop portupgrade with
 then you need to remember to resume portupgrade with the -w
switch.

> 
> Cheers, Erik
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On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 10:52:54PM -0500, Mike Jeays wrote:
> I have at present two emulated SCSI devices on my system; a USB flash
> drive, and a DVD-writer.
> 
> They get assigned:
>  
>  0,0,0     0) 'SanDisk ' 'Cruzer Micro    ' '2033' Removable Disk
>  2,0,0   200) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVDRAM GSA-4160B' 'A300' Removable CD-ROM
> 
> if the USB device is present at boot time (I think).

One possibility might be to make the umass driver a module and keep
atapicam compiled into the kernel, or make them both modules, but always
load atapicam first.  This will cause usb storage devices to always come
later since they won't be detected until the umass module is loaded.

P.S.  Does freebsd do anything to autoload modules that might interfere?

> 
> So my script for burning CDs, which says:
>   mkisofs -J -L -R -o x1.iso "$*"
>   cdrecord -v dev=2,0,0 x1.iso
>   rm -f x1.iso
> is very fragile.
> 
> How should I do it?  Write a script to read the output of cdrecord
> -scanbus and grab the device number?  There has to be a "right" way, and
> instinct says this isn't it.
> 
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This is the rule i presently have in my ppp.conf file  

nat port tcp 10.100.6.10:6881-6999 6881-6999

What im wanting to change without the need to use an actual FW is to have it 
so those ports are forwaded across my entire local subnet rather then a 
specific local IP.  Can this be done or am i limited to specific machine 
IP's ?

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	I asked this question before but I haven't found a solution. I'm  
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	And I can't figure out what it's complaining about. Below is the  
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Is that possible?

How if it's possible?

Read the handbook, but nothing conclusive.

--
Freon?

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Hi Pat,


> Is there any place I can find a good default ruleset for a server, and
> just change what ports I want open?

pf originates at openbsd. There you'll find lots of documentation, the 
pf-faq, and the (as always in the BSD world) excellent manpages.

In addition there's the pf-repository at: https://solarflux.org/pf/

And there are some books which include examples.


> Also, I've noticed that some rulesets will have different flags and
> keep state on for certain TCP ports, but not others.  For example, at
> https://www.section6.net/help/pf.php I found:
> #WebServer, HTTPS, 8000
> pass in on $extif proto tcp from any to any port 80 flags S/SA
> pass in on $extif proto tcp from any to any port $tcp_services flags
> S/SA synproxy state
> 
> tcp_services is {22, 443}
> 
> I don't understand why they use synproxy state for 22 and 443, but not 80

Because synproxy as a security feature has a drawback: speed. Do you 
understand what synproxy does? It completes the three-way-handshake at 
the firewall first and only if this succeds it forwards the connection 
to the (web)server. This takes some small amount of time.

Acceptable with protocolls like ssh and https but mostly unacceptable 
with http.


  -volker

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Hello FreeBSD friends.

I have read that others had this problem before. I just write this 
report for you to know.

I received yesterday two old computers retired from a school and finally 
I was able to build a  "decent" machine mixing the best parts of each 
one. The machine is an AMD K6 400 MHz with 64 MB RAM, AGP i740 video. 
Hard disk is Seagate ST34321A/3.05 master on ide0 bus. On ide1 bus there 
is a CD-R as master, and a CD-RW as slave. Disk controller is VIA 
82C586B UDMA33.

When I installed FreeBSD 5.3 R, I get some errors like this, but I could 
end the install:

ad0: WARNING -READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=5313599
ad0: FAILURE -READ_DMA status=51 error=84 >ICRC,ABORTED>
spec_getpages:(ad0s1a) I/O read failure: (error=5) ................

I have solved the problem disabling DMA:
hw.ata.ata_dma="0"

(I previously tried disabling ACPI with no success, and playing with 
BIOS LBA, LARGE, NORMAL settings at the BIOS with no success).

Now ad0: works in PIO4 mode and everything is fine, previously , it was 
UDMA33. Now there are no errors.

Should I investigate it further, or this is the only possible solution?
Should I expect a great performance decreasing in I/O disk access?

Thanks in advance.

Ramiro.


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I am trying to forward bittorrent ports on FreeBSD 5.3 with ipf and ipnat.
But the bittorrent indicator stays yellow which means it isn't set up
correctly.  Also, I don't get as many connections to peers as I should and
download speeds are very poor.  My ipnat.rules and ipf.rules files are shown
below:

 

ipnat.rules:

 

#Rules for ipnat

 

#This line says to map outbound traffic to your public IP address

map tun0 192.168.0.0/24 -> 0/32 portmap tcp/udp auto

 

#bittorrent

rdr tun0 0/32 port 6881 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6881 tcp/udp

rdr tun0 0/32 port 6882 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6882 tcp/udp

rdr tun0 0/32 port 6883 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6883 tcp/udp

rdr tun0 0/32 port 6884 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6884 tcp/udp

rdr tun0 0/32 port 6885 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6885 tcp/udp

rdr tun0 0/32 port 6886 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6886 tcp/udp

rdr tun0 0/32 port 6887 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6887 tcp/udp

rdr tun0 0/32 port 6888 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6888 tcp/udp

rdr tun0 0/32 port 6889 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6889 tcp/udp

rdr tun0 0/32 port 6890 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6890 tcp/udp

 

 

 

 

 

ipf.rules:

 

#####################################################################

#

# IP packet filtering rules (firewall)

#

 

# If you change this file, run

#    ipf -Fa -f /etc/ipf.rules

# to update kernel tables

 

# All rules are "quick" so go strictly top to bottom

 

#  Don't bug loopback

#

pass out quick on lo0

pass in quick on lo0

 

#  Don't bother the inside interface either

#

pass out quick on sis0

pass in quick on sis0

 

#####################################################################

#

#  First, we deal with bogus packets.

#

 

#  Block any inherently bad packets coming in from the outside world.

#  These include ICMP redirect packets and IP fragments so short the

#  filtering rules won't be able to examine the whole UDP/TCP header.

#

block in log quick on tun0 proto icmp from any to any icmp-type redir

block in log quick on tun0 proto tcp/udp all with short

 

#  Block any IP spoofing atempts.  (Packets "from" non-routable

#  addresses shouldn't be coming in from the outside).

#

block in quick on tun0 from 192.168.0.0/16 to any

block in quick on tun0 from 127.0.0.0/8    to any

block in quick on tun0 from 172.16.0.0/12  to any

block in quick on tun0 from 10.0.0.0/8     to any

block in quick on tun0 from 0.0.0.0/8      to any

block in quick on tun0 from 169.254.0.0/16 to any

block in quick on tun0 from 192.0.2.0/24   to any

block in quick on tun0 from 204.152.64.0/23 to any

block in quick on tun0 from 224.0.0.0/3    to any

block in quick on tun0 from 255.255.255.255/32 to any

 

#  Kill all source-routed packets

#

block in quick on tun0 all with opt lsrr

block in quick on tun0 all with opt ssrr

 

#  Don't allow non-routable packets to leave our network

#

block out quick on tun0 from any to 192.168.0.0/16

block out quick on tun0 from any to 127.0.0.0/8

block out quick on tun0 from any to 172.16.0.0/12

block out quick on tun0 from any to 10.0.0.0/8

block out quick on tun0 from any to 0.0.0.0/8

block out quick on tun0 from any to 169.254.0.0/16

block out quick on tun0 from any to 192.0.2.0/24

block out quick on tun0 from any to 204.152.64.0/23

block out quick on tun0 from any to 224.0.0.0/3

block out quick on tun0 from any to 255.255.255.255/32

 

#

#####################################################################

 

 

#####################################################################

#

#  Now the normal filtering rules

#

 

#  ICMP: allow incoming ping and traceroute only

#

pass in quick on tun0 proto icmp from any to any icmp-type echorep

pass in quick on tun0 proto icmp from any to any icmp-type echo

pass in quick on tun0 proto icmp from any to any icmp-type timex

pass in quick on tun0 proto icmp from any to any icmp-type unreach

block in log quick on tun0 proto icmp from any to any

 

#  TCP: Allow various incoming services. Only match

#  SYN packets, and allow the state table to handle the rest of the

#  connection.

#

pass in quick on tun0 proto tcp from any to any port = ssh flags S keep
frags keep state

pass in quick on tun0 proto tcp from any to any port = http flags S keep
frags keep state

pass in quick on tun0 proto tcp from any to any port = 443 flags S keep
frags keep state

pass in quick on tun0 proto tcp from any to any port = ftp keep state

pass in quick on tun0 proto tcp from any to any port = 3306 flags S keep
frags keep state

pass in quick on tun0 proto tcp from any to any port 6880 >< 6891 flags S
keep state

pass in quick on tun0 proto udp from any to any port 6880 >< 6891 keep state

 

#  Of course we need to allow packets coming in as replies to our

#  connections so we keep state. Strictly speaking, with packets

#  coming from our network we don't have to only match SYN,

#  and it's rather unlikely that there will be any fragments. But

#  what the hell.

#

pass out quick on tun0 proto tcp  from any to any flags S keep frags keep
state

pass out quick on tun0 proto udp  from any to any keep state

pass out quick on tun0 proto icmp from any to any keep state

 

#  End of rules. Block everything to all ports, all protocols and return

#  RST (TCP) or ICMP/port-unreachable (UDP). Don't forget to rewrite the

#  source address of the "port unreachable" message, hence -as-dest

#

block return-rst in log quick on tun0 proto tcp from any to any

block return-icmp-as-dest in log quick on tun0 proto udp from any to any

block in quick all

 

#

#  End of file

#

#####################################################################

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On Feb 15, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

> Bart Silverstrim writes:
>
>> "It's not part of the OS!"
>>
>> Fine.  Will MS let me buy just the kernel?
>
> No, but you don't have to buy or install most of the drivers.  If you
> run with only required default drivers, the system will be stable.

Let's pretend I'm working on a system for the good old days, see if 
that will help make sense for a minute...

*THE ISSUE BEING ADDRESSED HERE WAS THE DRIVERS INCLUDED WITH THE OS 
ARE CONSIDERED PART OF THE OS.  IF THE DRIVERS ARE THIRD PARTY BUT 
INCLUDED ON THE DEFAULT, AS-PURCHASED CD, 99% OF SANE PEOPLE OUT THERE 
IN THE REAL WORLD CONSIDER IT PART OF THE OS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE 
TO GO OUT AND JUMP THROUGH HOOPS TO INSTALL IT.  THE OS DETECTED THE 
DEVICE AND INSTALLED THE DRIVER, THIRD PARTY OR NOT, BECAUSE IT WAS 
WITH THEIR CD.  AS I RECALL BUT THE QUOTE HAS BEEN SNIPPED, SOMEONE 
SAID THEY HAD BEEN RUNNING THE DEFAULT DRIVERS AND THE DRIVER WAS CRAP 
SO THE OS STILL CRASHED.  WITH A DEFAULT, INCLUDED, DETECTED AND 
OS-INSTALLED DRIVER.*

>> Extend it a little more, even MS argued that Internet Explorer was 
>> part
>> of the operating system and could not be unbundled.  For their product
>> definition, it was part of the OS.  Technically, it was not.
>> Practically, it was.
>
> They tried very hard to make it part of the OS, which was a serious
> mistake, but they were very taken with the whole idea of web-everything
> at the time.

That *DOESN'T MATTER*.  The fact is they did it.  Of course it was a 
bloody mistake.  The fact is they marketed and in court testified that 
it was PART OF the OS.  For all practical purposes, they bundled it as 
part of the OS.  Technically speaking it isn't.  I don't CARE what the 
justification is.  They did it.  End of story.

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:04 pm, Paul wrote:
> I am trying to forward bittorrent ports on FreeBSD 5.3 with ipf and ipnat.
> But the bittorrent indicator stays yellow which means it isn't set up
> correctly.  Also, I don't get as many connections to peers as I should and
> download speeds are very poor.  My ipnat.rules and ipf.rules files are
> shown below:

I use this basic thing in my ppp.conf and it has greatly increased my up//down 
speeds ...never dealt with FW so this is about as much as i can sort of help.

nat port tcp :6881-6999 6881-6999
-- 
Yours Sincerely
Shinjii
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My fstab files looks as follows:

# Device                Mountpoint      FStype  Options         Dump
Pass#
/dev/ad0s1b             none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/ad0s1a             /               	  ufs     rw              1
1
/dev/acd0               /cdrom          cd9660  ro,noauto       0       0 

-----Original Message-----
From: Aperez [mailto:alfredoj69@gmail.com] 
Sent: woensdag 16 februari 2005 13:54
To: Freek Nossin
Subject: Re: mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem


Can you post your fstab file



On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:28:30AM +0100, Freek Nossin wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> I have a computer with 2 disks. On one of them freebsd is installed. 
> The other one is a FAT32 drive. I would like to mount the FAT32 drive, 
> but my dmesg log reports errors (see below). The drive still contains 
> some data I'd like to retrieve (after that is done a format of the 
> drive would be an option). Any suggestions on how I could do that (best)?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Freek Nossin
> 
> dmesg output:
>  
> <...>
> ad0: 1626MB  [3305/16/63] at ata0-master WDMA2
> ad1: 38172MB  [77557/16/63] at ata0-slave 
> WDMA2
> acd0: CDROM  at ata1-slave PIO4 Mounting root from 
> ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
> mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem
> mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem
> cd9660: Joliet Extension (Level 3)
> cd9660: Joliet Extension (Level 3)
> cd9660: Joliet Extension (Level 3)
> cd9660: Joliet Extension (Level 3)
> cd9660: RockRidge Extension
> pid 2534 (dd), uid 2 inumber 70969 on /: filesystem full pid 2555 
> (dd), uid 2 inumber 70977 on /: filesystem full pid 2583 (dd), uid 2 
> inumber 70981 on /: filesystem full
> mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem
> mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem
> mountmsdosfs(): bad FAT32 filesystem
> 
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John  writes:

> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 06:00:51PM -0500, Benjamin Dover wrote:

> > ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so
> > /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/
> > Hope this helps.
> 
> BINGO!
> 
> Geez!  That's great - but how the HECK did you know this was the
> magic key?  This shouldn't be so ARCANE!!!
> 
> I'd have been looking for something in a "firefox" branch - in
> fact, I was just trying to find such a thing when your e-mail
> came.

The firefox port wilil make that link for you, automatically, if the
JDK is installed when you're building firefox.

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 08:37:11AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> John  writes:
> 
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 06:00:51PM -0500, Benjamin Dover wrote:
> 
> > > ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so
> > > /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/
> > > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > BINGO!
> > 
> > Geez!  That's great - but how the HECK did you know this was the
> > magic key?  This shouldn't be so ARCANE!!!
> > 
> > I'd have been looking for something in a "firefox" branch - in
> > fact, I was just trying to find such a thing when your e-mail
> > came.
> 
> The firefox port wilil make that link for you, automatically, if the
> JDK is installed when you're building firefox.

Yes, I've heard that.  Sorry - my original question was how to do it
if you installed firefox from packages instead of ports.
-- 

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On Feb 15, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

> Bart Silverstrim writes:
>
>> "They" were an outside team that worked on VMS.  "They" started NT
>> before Windows became a marketing drone's dream.  The Windows 
>> subsystem
>> became the default subsystem after Windows 3.x took off.  Originally 
>> it
>> wasn't going to have a GUI.
>
> Oh well ... it's a bit late to dream about what could have been.
>
> As I recall, this is what caused Microsoft and IBM to part ways.  IBM
> was to collaborate on the NT project.  But IBM wanted a CLI, like DOS 
> or
> OS/2, whereas Microsoft insisted that a GUI was the wave of the future
> on the desktop.  As it turned out, Microsoft was right.

Um, no.  OS/2 had the Presentation Manager layer on it for the GUI.  
They parted ways because MS was working on the Windows-centric version 
of NT behind IBM's back, realizing they had a new cash cow out of 
Windows 3.x.  IBM was schnookered hook, line and sinker, and realized 
it only after MS was presenting more and more updates to their project 
with Windows API's instead of OS/2.  MS wanted to split from Big Blue 
because of cultural differences and MS wanted independence from IBM, 
knowing full well that that dependence on OS/2 would be a hindrance to 
their market engine.

Read ShowStopper!.  It's an excellent history of the background of NT 
(and Cutler).  You can also read the Why I Hate Microsoft rant posted 
at http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html .  
I find it an excellent read for the history in it.  (And do NOT turn 
this into a OS-bashing thread.  I am posting this because it has 
history in it and was well written with history and footnotes.  So 
everyone stick to the facts and do NOT start the bashing crap).

> The GUI still requires destabilizing code in the kernel.  It still 
> takes
> up space and resources.

I'll agree there.

> And, worst of all, on a GUI-oriented server
> like Windows, you cannot administer the machine without using the GUI.

True to a point.  Just because you have a GUI as the primary interface 
it doesn't mean that the OS *must* have crappy administration tools.  
It is just the tendency because of the low variety of "popular" server 
OS's out there.  The Mac is primarily GUI driven for it's audience and 
uses a primarily GUI paradigm, but CLI admin tools are very much 
available (and many of the Apple GUI tools act as front ends to the CLI 
tools).  It's a question of design.

>> 
> They're off the radar for servers.  The only people who install Apple
> servers are people who are already in love with Apple desktops.  
> They're
> kind of the inverse of people who fall in love with server operating
> systems and then insist on forcing them onto the desktop as well.

Wrong-o.  Xserves are wonderful for people that want integration of OS 
and hardware while at the same time are familiar with UNIX.  Yes, 
there's a lot of point and click, but 90% of their tools are mirrored 
in CLI tools as well.  Do more reading on how OS X works.

>> Don't want the GUI, then install Darwin.  Want GUI and remote
>> admin/monitoring tools, use OS X Server.  Don't log into it, and it'll
>> swap out most of the "GUI" stuff to disk.
>
> Why not just install FreeBSD?

Because we were discussing at that particular point Apple, their GUI, 
their OS.  OS X = Darwin + Aqua.  Don't need the proprietary layer, 
then strip out Aqua/Finder/Apple tools, you've got Darwin.  If you want 
to install something else, be my guest.  I personally don't care what 
you're running, I was just pointing out if you want Apple stuff and 
want to keep parity with OS X without their tools, use Darwin.

>> They most certainly profit from MCSEs.
>
> Yes, by training and certifying them.  But after that, they're on their
> own, and out of Microsoft's revenue stream.

Then once again, they profit from them and continue to profit by their 
recertification.  They are human advertisements, they are MS 
evangelists by proxy, they reinforce market position, and they are 
brainwashed into MS-centric solutions for everything thus encouraging 
more purchases by the companies they work for/in from MS.  SO that 
would mean MS profits from them and their existence and their having to 
get re-certified for their new OS's periodically.  End of story.

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Soheil Hassas Yeganeh  writes:

> Is there any tool for resizing a UFS partition or slice?

growfs(8)

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Peter Risdon  writes:

> I want to be able to update a user's crontab from a script. tabs
> in /var/cron/tabs carry a warning that the file should not be edited
> directly, so presumably something like
> 
> #echo "5 * * * *   /some/script.sh" >> /var/cron/tabs/$USER
> 
> is the wrong approach. Is the right approach:
> 
> #cat ~/.mycrontab
> 5 * * * *   /some/script.sh
> 
> #crontab ~/.mycrontab
> 
> The right way to go? I notice this approach blows away existing crontab
> entries, and was hoping to be able to append new ones instead, but then
> by treating ~/.mycrontab as the master file, I can manage this OK.

How about:

crontab -u $USER -l > crontab.file.$USER
echo "5 * * * *   /some/script.sh" >> crontab.file.$USER
crontab -u $USER crontab.file.$USER

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If you have a wireless-AP you can hook that directly into a standard PCI nic
on the BSD machine.  I have a similar setup where I'm at.  I'm letting the
BSD do dhcp/firewall/nat/router/dns for each of my LANs.  The AP is doing
WEP but for added security I have an encrypted VPN for the wireless LAN with
the BSD box doing IPSec for that.  I combined 2 how-to's I found online.
Here are the URLs if you want to take a look.

http://www.freebsddiary.org/ipsec-wireless.php
http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200401/wifi-ipsec.html

Tim

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Subject: Setting upFreeBSD with D-Link Wireless Router

I'm newbie and I'm trying to set up a test network
than isn't connected to Internet on FreeBSD 4.7

I was wondering if it is possible to set up my FreeBSD
4.7 as a authentication server for 802.1x security
using D-Link 624 Wireless Router.

1 more stupid question do I need a wireless NIC for
the FreeBSD box? 




		
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Bernt Hansson  writes:

> Is that possible?

Absolutely.

> How if it's possible?
> 
> Read the handbook, but nothing conclusive.

You seem to have missed the section that describes just this:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html

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Hello,

I wish to know if freeBSD supports the usb ethernet adapter unex hu001
Tnx

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John  writes:

> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 08:37:11AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:

> > The firefox port wilil make that link for you, automatically, if the
> > JDK is installed when you're building firefox.
> 
> Yes, I've heard that.  Sorry - my original question was how to do it
> if you installed firefox from packages instead of ports.

This is the primary disadvantage of packages; they cannot adapt to the
existing configuration of your system the way ports can.

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I will suggest different way just type:

xorgcfg -textmode

In this way you will avoid editors ;)

Best,
Zlatozar

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> >>OK thats great, now that I am there, my problem is with  say 'ee'
> >how do I edit the text.?
> >I am a total newbie to the CLI. Any help would be appreciated.
> >I typed 'ee  xorg.conf.new' it gives me the editor and the
> >'xorg.conf.new' at the bottom of the screen.
>=20
> You may find 'pico' more intuitive:
>=20
> cd /usr/ports/editors/pico
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 05:09:48PM -0600, John wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 06:00:51PM -0500, Benjamin Dover wrote:

> > ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so
> > /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/
> > Hope this helps.
>=20
> BINGO!
>=20
> Geez!  That's great - but how the HECK did you know this was the
> magic key?  This shouldn't be so ARCANE!!!

That's because the java plugin for Firefox/Mozilla/etc. is actually
part of the /Java/ port:

    gravitas:...ports/java/jdk14:% pkg_which /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins=
/libjavaplugin_oji.so=20
    jdk-1.4.2p7

I agree, it is a bit arcane, but you can work out what to type by
grovelling through the contents of /usr/ports/java/jdk14/work after
you've built the port -- or you can be clever and find the places this
has been discussed on various FreeBSD mailing lists before now.  This
is a good site:

    http://freebsd.rambler.ru/srch?words=3Dfirefox+java+plugin

    Cheers,

    Matthew

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I want to change the ftp location that pkg_add goes to when I want to
add a new pkg. I am running 5.3 Release and currently pkg_add looks
in Latest for the pkg. I would like to be able to pick pkgs from the entire
list instead of just Latest section because some apps I want are not 
available. 

Thanks, Dave

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 10:42:27PM -0500, RL wrote:
> This now works and all, but java on FreeBSD is far from perfect.  One
> of my favorite sites, www.espn.com, freezes when loaded in firefox
> with java enabled (try it out for yourself).  I had this same issue a
> while back when I installed java on a Fbsd box.

On the other hand vital enterprise productivity applications like

    http://games.yahoo.com/games/downloads/dm.html

now work just fine...


    Cheers,

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Ramiro Aceves wrote:
> 
> I have read that others had this problem before. I
> just write this report for you to know.
> 
> When I installed FreeBSD 5.3 R, I get some errors
> like this, but I could end the install:
> 
> ad0: WARNING -READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying 
>         request) LBA=5313599
> ad0: FAILURE -READ_DMA status=51
>         error=84 >ICRC,ABORTED>
> spec_getpages:(ad0s1a) I/O read failure: (error=5)
> ................
> 
> I have solved the problem disabling DMA:
> hw.ata.ata_dma="0"
> 
> (I previously tried disabling ACPI with no success,
> and playing with BIOS LBA, LARGE, NORMAL settings
> at the BIOS with no success).
> 
> Now ad0: works in PIO4 mode and everything is fine,
> previously , it was UDMA33. Now there are no errors.

There's you and me now. I have this problem with two
of my PCs. I don't know yet of anybody else who has
these problems.

It's indeed a serious problem, but too few people
running 5.3 seem to suffer from this.

Have you tried with 4.11?
I bet that would not generate these problems.

Regards,
Rob.

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> I have installed  apache+mod_ssl-1.3.33+2.8.22, and,
> when trying to add php4-4.3.10_2 and mod_perl modules,
> I observed that they depend on apache-1.3.33_1. But I
> didn`t find a ssl module for apache-1.3.33_1. What
> does it mean, that I can`t run a apache server with
> perl, php and ssl modules installed? What can I do?
> Thank you in advance.

I found that if you build the PHP port after installing apache+mod_ssl, it
will happily use the apache that is already installed and not require that
apache be built.

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> I have a box with DPT PM2044 SmartCacheIV UW-SCSI PCI cards which can do
> RAID-5 in hardware, but I'd have to use the DOS volume manager to set up
> the array. I have heard reports that vinum woudl be faster than using the
> native card. Is this true?

Doubtful, though I have heard that there are some rare special
circumstances where software raid can be faster. Given your hardware, you
will probably not experience those conditions.

> Should I not bother with doing the hardware
> raid
> and just go with vinum?

Use the hardware RAID, especially if you are going to use a simple RAID
configuration (like one big RAID-5 virtual disk). Just make sure you have
some way of figuring out if one of the disks goes bad. Worst case you
could boot off a DOS floppy once in a while to make sure all the disks are
still good.

> The rest of the system is a k6-2 400mhz with 256mb ram (amount might
> change).
> I will also have moderate network i/o on the pci bus (obviously).

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 09:58:17AM -0500, Ean Kingston wrote:
> 
> > I have a box with DPT PM2044 SmartCacheIV UW-SCSI PCI cards which can do
> > RAID-5 in hardware, but I'd have to use the DOS volume manager to set up
> > the array. I have heard reports that vinum woudl be faster than using the
> > native card. Is this true?
> 
> Doubtful, though I have heard that there are some rare special
> circumstances where software raid can be faster. Given your hardware, you
> will probably not experience those conditions.

The reason I asked is because
http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/FreeBSD/vinum.html
suggests vinum can be marginally better than the hardware raid on the
smartraid range of cards (which have an even faster processor onboard
than the smartcache range). The CPU platform is more or less comparable.
Then again it is with old Fbsd, so I don't know how accurate that is.

> 
> > Should I not bother with doing the hardware
> > raid
> > and just go with vinum?
> 
> Use the hardware RAID, especially if you are going to use a simple RAID
> configuration (like one big RAID-5 virtual disk). Just make sure you have
> some way of figuring out if one of the disks goes bad. Worst case you
> could boot off a DOS floppy once in a while to make sure all the disks are
> still good.
> 
> > The rest of the system is a k6-2 400mhz with 256mb ram (amount might
> > change).
> > I will also have moderate network i/o on the pci bus (obviously).
> 
> -- 
> Ean Kingston
> 
> E-Mail: ean_AT_hedron_DOT_org
> URL: http://www.hedron.org/
> 

-- 
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Yale University School of Medicine
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On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 06:31 -0800, Rob wrote:
> Ramiro Aceves wrote:
> > 
> > I have read that others had this problem before. I
> > just write this report for you to know.
> > 
> > When I installed FreeBSD 5.3 R, I get some errors
> > like this, but I could end the install:
> > 
> > ad0: WARNING -READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying 
> >         request) LBA=5313599
> > ad0: FAILURE -READ_DMA status=51
> >         error=84 >ICRC,ABORTED>
> > spec_getpages:(ad0s1a) I/O read failure: (error=5)
> > ................
> > 
> > I have solved the problem disabling DMA:
> > hw.ata.ata_dma="0"
> > 
> > (I previously tried disabling ACPI with no success,
> > and playing with BIOS LBA, LARGE, NORMAL settings
> > at the BIOS with no success).
> > 
> > Now ad0: works in PIO4 mode and everything is fine,
> > previously , it was UDMA33. Now there are no errors.
> 
> There's you and me now. I have this problem with two
> of my PCs. I don't know yet of anybody else who has
> these problems.
> 
> It's indeed a serious problem, but too few people
> running 5.3 seem to suffer from this.

No, it's a known problem and I filed a pr about it a while back. So far
as I know, there's been no action on the pr and disabling dma is the
only workaround.
> 
> Have you tried with 4.11?
> I bet that would not generate these problems.

Agreed.

Peter.


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Hello.

First, I have a question about correct TAP interface bringing up. How I must 
do it? 
Some people recommend do it like this:
dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/tap0 bs=1500 count=1
dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/tap1 bs=1500 count=1
dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/tap2 bs=1500 count=1

All ok, but I think it's not correct. So, how?

Second question I'd have is how I can join it into bridge group?
Some hand-passes like 
sysctl -w net.link.ether.bridge_cfg=fxp0:1,tap0:1,tap1:1,tap2:1
sysctl -w net.link.ether.bridge=1
is work, in this case IP traffic through bridge group successfully but 
Ethernet frames not. 

As a result of this I want have more than one ng pppoed at one physical 
interface. I think that:
/usr/libexec/pppoed -a Hub0 -l hub0 tap0
/usr/libexec/pppoed -a Hub1 -l hub1 tap1
/usr/libexec/pppoed -a Hub2 -l hub2 tap2
will work.

Maybe I think wrong? Anybody have some solution for me?

Thanks.

PS: sorry for my english.
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I have some trouble with sshd in jail. This is description 
of the problem:

I have host system based on FreeBSD 5.1 Release with IP 
161.66.11.1 Futher I do these steps for creating jail on 
host system:

cd /usr/src
mkdir -p /jail
make world DESTDIR=/jail
cd etc
make distribution DESTDIR=/jail
mount_devfs devfs /jail/dev
cd /jail
ln -sf dev/null kernel

OK. That's easy. Next step I edit /etc/rc.conf by 
adding/editing some lines:

sendmail_enable="NO"
sshd_enable="YES"
syslogd_flags="-ss"

and /etc/ssh/sshd_config :

ListenAddress 161.66.11.1

OK. I do #sockstat and get only:

root   sendmail   361   4   tcp4   127.0.0.1:25    *:*
root   sshd       355   3   tcp4   161.66.11.2:22  *:*

After this doing alias for jail:

#ifconfig em0 alias 161.66.11.2

Then I start jail:

#jail /jail testhost 161.66.11.2 /bin/sh /etc/rc

Two problems: then jail startup, the message "Starting 
sshd..." stops for 10 min. That's one. Then booting 
proccess continies and finish successfull. Second problem 
is when I try to connect to jail (161.66.11.2) with ssh 
client.
---Connect 161.66.11.2...
---Login as: root
AND STOPS!!! For 7-10 min. Than "password" field appears, 
but I have wait so much time...

That's the problem. Please, help if you can!
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Can anyone tell me what this means?  I have been running my server for
several months and no problems.
 
I just go this error.What do I need to fix it?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Feb 15 09:14:50 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
#da/0x20001, blkno: 712, size: 4096
Feb 15 09:25:39 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
#da/0x20001, blkno: 1032, size: 8192
Feb 15 09:26:31 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
#da/0x20001, blkno: 1752, size: 4096
Feb 15 09:26:32 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
#da/0x20001, blkno: 1032, size: 8192
Feb 15 09:26:32 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
#da/0x20001, blkno: 1752, size: 4096
Feb 15 09:37:11 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
#da/0x20001, blkno: 984, size: 4096
Feb 15 09:37:55 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
#da/0x20001, blkno: 984, size: 4096
Feb 15 09:37:55 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
#da/0x20001, blkno: 984, size: 4096
Feb 15 09:50:39 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
#da/0x20001, blkno: 328, size: 4096
Feb 15 09:53:30 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
#da/0x20001, blkno: 712, size: 4096

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:22:54 -0800
"Thomas Foster"  wrote:

>export HTTP_PROXY="proxy.whatever.name:port number"
>export FTP_PROXY="proxy.whatever.name:port number"
>
Not necessarely...
IMHO, You'd better configure your ftp/http clients of your workstation.
For excluding localhost and your proxy server to access local server 
machines.
mess-mate


>as far as any other "clients" for other apps.. thats really up to your
>proxy server administrator and apps you need to use
>
>Hope this helps..
>
>
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>> Does someone know how to configure network settings so that I can use
>> a freeBSD workstation as a proxy client?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Alden
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Hi Nick

We are currently trying to install it at a freebsd site.
We have gotten to the stage where it expects atomic.h from linux, so
it doesn't look like it will work without patching.


On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:43:11 -0700, Nick Pavlica  wrote:
> All,
>   I just noticed that Hulu Server
> (http://hula-project.org/index.php/Hula_Server) was released.  They
> only mention Linux support at this time, but provide source install
> instructions.  What is the best approach to installing this on
> freeBSD?
> 
> Thanks!
> --Nick
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Hello,
I have a question aboout the umask under FreeBSD. I couldn't find what 
it exactly is.
It is something for setting files how you set the 'xrwxrwxrw'
I found a file where you could chance it but don't knwo anymore what it 
was.

I want to use this for my ftp-server with FreeBSD.
I have a directory 'upload' where all my friends can put there files. 
They are all members of the group 'ftpusers'. But when they put a file 
in that directory all the other users from the group 'ftpusers' 
canchange or delete this file. I want to change it so that the write bit 
for the group is off when someonse of the ftpusers group writes 
something in the folder 'upload'. Can I do this with changing the umaks 
and how do I change that? I couldn't found any information on that.

Thanks ,
Koen

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> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 09:58:17AM -0500, Ean Kingston wrote:
>>
>> > I have a box with DPT PM2044 SmartCacheIV UW-SCSI PCI cards which can
>> do
>> > RAID-5 in hardware, but I'd have to use the DOS volume manager to set
>> up
>> > the array. I have heard reports that vinum woudl be faster than using
>> the
>> > native card. Is this true?
>>
>> Doubtful, though I have heard that there are some rare special
>> circumstances where software raid can be faster. Given your hardware,
>> you
>> will probably not experience those conditions.
>
> The reason I asked is because
> http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/FreeBSD/vinum.html

I did not know that. Interesting read.

> suggests vinum can be marginally better than the hardware raid on the
> smartraid range of cards (which have an even faster processor onboard
> than the smartcache range). The CPU platform is more or less comparable.
> Then again it is with old Fbsd, so I don't know how accurate that is.

You may have noticed that there were comments about not trusting vinum's
RAID5 support in that article. If you are using FreeBSD 5.3, the default
is now gvinum (sort of second generation of vinum). The gvinum tools don't
give you the ability to create RAID5 virutal disks so if that is what you
want, you may not want to go with vinum or gvinum.

Another thing to consider is if you use software RAID and your application
gets CPU bound, you are going to take a double performance hit (both disk
and cpu).

I don't know your situation so it is your call.

>>
>> > Should I not bother with doing the hardware
>> > raid
>> > and just go with vinum?
>>
>> Use the hardware RAID, especially if you are going to use a simple RAID
>> configuration (like one big RAID-5 virtual disk). Just make sure you
>> have
>> some way of figuring out if one of the disks goes bad. Worst case you
>> could boot off a DOS floppy once in a while to make sure all the disks
>> are
>> still good.
>>
>> > The rest of the system is a k6-2 400mhz with 256mb ram (amount might
>> > change).
>> > I will also have moderate network i/o on the pci bus (obviously).
>>
>> --
>> Ean Kingston
>>
>> E-Mail: ean_AT_hedron_DOT_org
>> URL: http://www.hedron.org/
>>
>
> --
> Peter C. Lai
> University of Connecticut
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I haven't done this yet, but do the Linux compatibility libraries
provide support for this?


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> Hi Nick
> 
> We are currently trying to install it at a freebsd site.
> We have gotten to the stage where it expects atomic.h from linux, so
> it doesn't look like it will work without patching.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:43:11 -0700, Nick Pavlica  wrote:
> > All,
> >   I just noticed that Hulu Server
> > (http://hula-project.org/index.php/Hula_Server) was released.  They
> > only mention Linux support at this time, but provide source install
> > instructions.  What is the best approach to installing this on
> > freeBSD?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --Nick
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:50:56 +0100
koen de wijs  wrote:

> I have a question aboout the umask under FreeBSD. I couldn't find what
> it exactly is.
> It is something for setting files how you set the 'xrwxrwxrw'
> I found a file where you could chance it but don't knwo anymore what
> it was.
> 
> I want to use this for my ftp-server with FreeBSD.
> I have a directory 'upload' where all my friends can put there files. 
> They are all members of the group 'ftpusers'. But when they put a file
> in that directory all the other users from the group 'ftpusers' 
> canchange or delete this file. I want to change it so that the write
> bit for the group is off when someonse of the ftpusers group writes 
> something in the folder 'upload'.

afair normally you would :

- chmod 1777 your_upload_dir (for anonymous uploads)
- do *any* other permission-settings in the config of the FTP-server
you're running

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On 16 Feb Murray Taylor wrote:
> tcp rules can use 'keep frags'
> TCP packets allow fragmentation by intermediate routers
> that need re-assembly at the final destination
> 
> On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 08:36, dick hoogendijk wrote:
> > I read a lot of rulesets for ipfilter just to study how others do
> > the job.  I've read the ipf HOWTO too. One thing is still very
> > unclear to me though.  Most rules for tcp have something like "flags
> > S keep state" but *some* have "flags S keep state keep frags"
> > 
> > Can someone explain to me *when* to use keep frags and when not to?
> > The HOWTO is very unclear about this. What exactly is the use of
> > this extra 'keep frags'?

YES, I know tcp packets can get fragmented. I wander however why in most
cases people just use "keep state" and *sometimes* "keep state keep
frags" I really like to know when or when not to use "keep frags"
In other words: when is it really useful and when is it not?

-- 
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Robert Stevenson wrote:
> Help. I get an error when I execute netstat -rn command. I'm using
> FreeBSD 5.3 release.
> 
> command:
> #netstat -rn
> 
> error:
> netstat: kvm not available
> Routing tables
> rt_tables: symbol not in namelist
> #
> 
> 
> How do I fix this?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert Stevenson
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Had the same problem a while back when my kernel and base became out of 
sync as I had cvsup'd base and then recompiled my kernel without 
building world first.  Cvsup base, build world, build kernel, install 
kernel and then install world.

HTH
Chris

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Do you have your resolv.conf and hosts file setup correctly in the jail?  I had the same problem yesterday when I moved my jailed system to a new network.

--
Anish Mistry

----- Original Message -----
From: musikcom@ngs.ru
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:35 am
Subject: Trouble with sshd in jail

> I have some trouble with sshd in jail. This is description 
> of the problem:
> 
> I have host system based on FreeBSD 5.1 Release with IP 
> 161.66.11.1 Futher I do these steps for creating jail on 
> host system:
> 
> cd /usr/src
> mkdir -p /jail
> make world DESTDIR=/jail
> cd etc
> make distribution DESTDIR=/jail
> mount_devfs devfs /jail/dev
> cd /jail
> ln -sf dev/null kernel
> 
> OK. That's easy. Next step I edit /etc/rc.conf by 
> adding/editing some lines:
> 
> sendmail_enable="NO"
> sshd_enable="YES"
> syslogd_flags="-ss"
> 
> and /etc/ssh/sshd_config :
> 
> ListenAddress 161.66.11.1
> 
> OK. I do #sockstat and get only:
> 
> root   sendmail   361   4   tcp4   127.0.0.1:25    *:*
> root   sshd       355   3   tcp4   161.66.11.2:22  *:*
> 
> After this doing alias for jail:
> 
> #ifconfig em0 alias 161.66.11.2
> 
> Then I start jail:
> 
> #jail /jail testhost 161.66.11.2 /bin/sh /etc/rc
> 
> Two problems: then jail startup, the message "Starting 
> sshd..." stops for 10 min. That's one. Then booting 
> proccess continies and finish successfull. Second problem 
> is when I try to connect to jail (161.66.11.2) with ssh 
> client.
> ---Connect 161.66.11.2...
> ---Login as: root
> AND STOPS!!! For 7-10 min. Than "password" field appears, 
> but I have wait so much time...
> 
> That's the problem. Please, help if you can!
> Thank you!!!
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> http://mobile.ngs.ru/games - Java-???? ??? ??????????? ? ?? ??????...
> http://love.ngs.ru - ?????????? ? ????????????
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I have seen a few things on how to do this however I can't find the 
java file:j2sdk-1_3_1_14-linux-i586.bin

on any of sun's servers.

in lieu of what I have been doing how can i install java on a FreeBSD 
box?

thanks,

ken;

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I have a hard disk that looks like its going out.

So far, there are 6 reported crc errors.  However, I have a file that
I would like to read as much as possible of using tar, but the whole
job stops like this:


 # tar cvf /dev/nrsa0 /home > /root/tarhome.cat
tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
tar: /home/smbshare1/BUDGETS/RXS0008 fy04 kellogg report and
summary.xls: Read error at byte 14848, reading 10240 bytes:
Input/output error
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors

When attempting to cp that same file I get another error and the cp
stops.

Are there any tools that will permit me to cp as much of this file as
possible, ie all sectors up to, and then past, the bad spot?

as another possibility, are there any tools that I can use with fsck
that would  mark the sector as bad so its not reused?
 
David Bear
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That's good news!  Please keep me posted on how this is coming
together.  I will probably try  to install it in a couple of days.

--Thanks 
   Nick


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:11:54 +0000, Phil Brennan  wrote:
> I've just heard that they will be committing a fix for the atomic.h
> problem today, so it should be buildable on freebsd by tomorrow.
> You will need to install
> /usr/ports/gnu-tools/automake
> /usr/ports/gnu-tools/autoconf
> /usr/ports/gnu-tools/libtool
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:54:03 -0700, Nick Pavlica  wrote:
> > I haven't done this yet, but do the Linux compatibility libraries
> > provide support for this?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:46:23 +0000, Phil Brennan  wrote:
> > > Hi Nick
> > >
> > > We are currently trying to install it at a freebsd site.
> > > We have gotten to the stage where it expects atomic.h from linux, so
> > > it doesn't look like it will work without patching.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:43:11 -0700, Nick Pavlica  wrote:
> > > > All,
> > > >   I just noticed that Hulu Server
> > > > (http://hula-project.org/index.php/Hula_Server) was released.  They
> > > > only mention Linux support at this time, but provide source install
> > > > instructions.  What is the best approach to installing this on
> > > > freeBSD?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > --Nick
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> >
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> I have a hard disk that looks like its going out.
>
> So far, there are 6 reported crc errors.  However, I have a file that
> I would like to read as much as possible of using tar, but the whole
> job stops like this:
>
>
>  # tar cvf /dev/nrsa0 /home > /root/tarhome.cat
> tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
> tar: /home/smbshare1/BUDGETS/RXS0008 fy04 kellogg report and
> summary.xls: Read error at byte 14848, reading 10240 bytes:
> Input/output error
> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
>
> When attempting to cp that same file I get another error and the cp
> stops.
>
> Are there any tools that will permit me to cp as much of this file as
> possible, ie all sectors up to, and then past, the bad spot?

dd will let you specify parts of files to skip over. You will probably
have to do some fiddling with the arguements to get it just right for your
file.

> as another possibility, are there any tools that I can use with fsck
> that would  mark the sector as bad so its not reused?

-- 
Ean Kingston

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Hi all,

I'm about to port several libraries to *nix because a new customer needs it
to run on an open source OS.  I need some ideas for how to set this up.

It's going to be a binary-only distribution, AFAIK, but I don't know if that
should affect the directory layout.

What I have are a lot of libraries (components, really), and many, but not
all, have nested dependencies.

Am I better off with a flat directory with subdirs for each library and one
big subdir for all include files?  Or, does it make more sense to place
library source directories and header files *within* the directories of
libraries that need them?

So, if libfoo requires libbar and no other library does:

proj/
	Makefile
	include/
		foo.h
		bar.h
	libfoo/
		Makefile
		src/
			foo.c
	libbar/
		Makefile
		src/
			bar.c

**OR**

proj/
	Makefile
	include/
		foo.h
	libfoo/
		Makefile
		include/
			bar.h
		src/
			foo.c
		libbar/
			Makefile
			src/
				bar.c

Is there a better way?  Especially for header files just needed internally 
for the library itself versus headers shared between modules?


Jonathon McKitrick
--
My other computer is your Windows box.

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Hi Ken,

I'm not sure if you really want to use this old Java version, if not,
then going to these sites and updating your ports will help you a lot.

http://www.freebsd.org/java/
http://www.eyesbeyond.com/freebsddom/java/index.html

Regards,
Andreas


On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 11:20 -0500, Ken Hawkins wrote:
> I have seen a few things on how to do this however I can't find the=20
> java file:j2sdk-1_3_1_14-linux-i586.bin
>=20
> on any of sun's servers.
>=20
> in lieu of what I have been doing how can i install java on a FreeBSD=20
> box?
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> thanks,
>=20
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Bart Silverstrim writes:

> Um, no.  OS/2 had the Presentation Manager layer on it for the GUI.

Presentation Manager was an afterthought, once they realized how far
they had gone astray.

> True to a point.  Just because you have a GUI as the primary interface
> it doesn't mean that the OS *must* have crappy administration tools.

True.  But in the case of Windows, that's exactly the situation.  I had
to administer servers with pcAnywhere.  Have you ever used pcAnywhere
over a dial-up line?

> Because we were discussing at that particular point Apple, their GUI,
> their OS.  OS X = Darwin + Aqua.

Let's return to discussion of FreeBSD, then.

> Then once again, they profit from them and continue to profit by their
> recertification.

If they bother to recertify.

> They are human advertisements, they are MS
> evangelists by proxy, they reinforce market position, and they are 
> brainwashed into MS-centric solutions for everything thus encouraging 
> more purchases by the companies they work for/in from MS.

They are not brainwashed by MS.  They were that way long before they
became MCSEs, otherwise they would not have become MCSEs.

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 11:57:02AM -0500, Ean Kingston wrote:
>=20
> > I have a hard disk that looks like its going out.
> >
> > So far, there are 6 reported crc errors.  However, I have a file that
> > I would like to read as much as possible of using tar, but the whole
> > job stops like this:
> >
> >
> >  # tar cvf /dev/nrsa0 /home > /root/tarhome.cat
> > tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
> > tar: /home/smbshare1/BUDGETS/RXS0008 fy04 kellogg report and
> > summary.xls: Read error at byte 14848, reading 10240 bytes:
> > Input/output error
> > tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
> >
> > When attempting to cp that same file I get another error and the cp
> > stops.
> >
> > Are there any tools that will permit me to cp as much of this file as
> > possible, ie all sectors up to, and then past, the bad spot?
>=20
> dd will let you specify parts of files to skip over. You will probably
> have to do some fiddling with the arguements to get it just right for your
> file.

Specifically, try using the "conv=3Dnoerror" option with dd.

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I recently set "hw.snd.pcm0.vchans=3D4" on a FreeBSD 5.3 box and now =
when
I try to get festival to speak I just get silence.  I can play sound
files with sox and if I copy a file to /dev/dsp I get noise as I would
expect.  Festival worked before I turned on virtual channels but now I
get nothing.  I have set festival's Audio_Method to freebsd16audio and
that does not work.  When I set it to netaudio I get what sounds like
"slow motion" speaking.  Has anyone seen/solved this before?
=20

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i did create the slices using default option (A)
and partions using default option (A).

now i see the following problem:

"mounting error /mnt/dev/ad0s1f on /mnt/usr :
Input/output error"

i think it is the problem with the disk geometry 
i don't know what. i have a 80GB disk, and i tried 
changing the mode from LBA to NORMAL to LARGE in the 
BIOS setting but it didn't help. /usr is the the
last partition in the default list of partiontions.

thanks in advance for your time

sajith

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> Sajith K  writes:
> 
> > When I tried to install freebsd 5.3 in a PIII
> machine
> > with 80GB hard disk I get the following error:
> > 
> > "Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in
> /dev!"
> > "The creation of filesystems will be aborted"
> > 
> > Could some one help me out ?
> 
> Sounds like you forgot to allocate (and commit) the
> slices before you
> tried to create the partitions...
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----- Original Message -----
> ################################
> Ignore my last message! change assert(0); to break; not continue;
> #################################
>
> On Tuesday 15 February 2005 08:52 pm, Brian John wrote:
>
> Brian, I can't send this to you as a patch because it would
> conflict with the last pr I submitted so I need you to do it this
> way instead:
>
> cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager
> make deinstall
> make clean
> make patch
> cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager/work/portmanager-0.2.6/libPMGR/src
> ee PMGRrUpgrade.c
> scroll down to line 271and change:
>
> assert(0);
>
> to
>
> break;
>
> cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager
> make install clean
>
> Then let me know how it goes.  If this works for you I'll be adding it
> in the next change, I haven't been able to duplicate this on my machine
> so right now you are my only hope of fixing this bug.
>
> -Mike
>
>

Hmmmm...I am still getting errors.  Output is below.

Thanks again

/Brian

if [ ! -d /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv ] ; then /bin/sh
../autoconf/mkinstalldirs /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv ; fi
mkdir -p -- /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv
if [ ! -d /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv ] ; then /bin/sh
../autoconf/mkinstalldirs /usr/local/share/doc/libiconv ; fi
builddir="`pwd`"; cd . && for f in *.html ; do (cd "$builddir"; echo
install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./$f /usr/local/sh
are/doc/libiconv/$f ; install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./$f
/usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/$f) ; done
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv.1.html
/usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/iconv.1.html
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv.3.html
/usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/iconv.3.html
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv_close.3.html
/usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/iconv_close.3.html
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./iconv_open.3.html
/usr/local/share/doc/libiconv/iconv_open.3.html
===>   Compressing manual pages for libiconv-1.9.2_1
===>   Running ldconfig
/sbin/ldconfig -m /usr/local/lib
===>   Registering installation for libiconv-1.9.2_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
deleting backup copy, installation of updated /converters/libiconv successful
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #6 of 8 cd /tmp; rm -f libiconv-1.9.2_1.tgz
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
making package of updated /converters/libiconv
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #7 of 8 cd /usr/ports/converters/libiconv;
make package
------------------------------------------------------------------------
===>  Building package for libiconv-1.9.2_1
Creating package /usr/ports/converters/libiconv/libiconv-1.9.2_1.tbz
Registering depends:.
Creating bzip'd tar ball in
'/usr/ports/converters/libiconv/libiconv-1.9.2_1.tbz'
------------------------------------------------------------------------
terminal clean of work directories
PMGRrDoUpgrade 0.2.6_5 command: #8 of 8 cd /usr/ports/converters/libiconv;
make clean
------------------------------------------------------------------------
===>  Cleaning for libtool-1.5.10
===>  Cleaning for libiconv-1.9.2_1
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: Creating inital data bases
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PMGRrStatus 0.2.6_5 info: looking for missing dependent ports
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a
dependency of linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/java/linux-sun-jdk14; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1
 forcing rebuild of linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1 to fix
/var/db/pkg/linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1
dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.06_1 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a
dependency of linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin6; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2
 forcing rebuild of linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2 to fix
/var/db/pkg/linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new
linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2 dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_2 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a
dependency of acroread-5.10_1
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/print/acroread; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of acroread-5.10_1
 forcing rebuild of acroread-5.10_1 to fix
/var/db/pkg/acroread-5.10_1/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new acroread-5.10_1 dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of acroread-5.10_1 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a
dependency of linux-png-1.2.7_5
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/graphics/linux-png; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-png-1.2.7_5
 forcing rebuild of linux-png-1.2.7_5 to fix
/var/db/pkg/linux-png-1.2.7_5/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new linux-png-1.2.7_5
dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-png-1.2.7_5 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a
dependency of linux-fontconfig-2.1_2
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/x11-fonts/linux-fontconfig; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-fontconfig-2.1_2
 forcing rebuild of linux-fontconfig-2.1_2 to fix
/var/db/pkg/linux-fontconfig-2.1_2/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new linux-fontconfig-2.1_2
dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-fontconfig-2.1_2 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a
dependency of linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/multimedia/linux-realplayer; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1
 forcing rebuild of linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 to fix
/var/db/pkg/linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new
linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-realplayer-10.0.2_1 then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
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-=>MISSING<=- linux_base-rh-9[/emulators/linux_base-rh-9] may be a
dependency of linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2
verifing dependency status of linux_base-rh-9 (may take awhile) by
executing command:
cd /usr/ports/x11/linux-XFree86-libs; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
linux_base-rh-9 is no longer a dependency of linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2
 forcing rebuild of linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2 to fix
/var/db/pkg/linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2/+CONTENTS file.
  *  *  *  *
WARNING:  linux_base-rh-9 may conflict with a new
linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2 dependency
and may have to be manually removed with "pkg_delete -f linux_base-rh-9".
If portmanager fails during rebuild of linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_2
then review
/usr/ports/UPDATING and also note what is at the bottom of /usr/ports/MOVED.
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-=>MISSING<=- cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227[/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk] may be a
dependency of nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.6_1
verifing dependency status of cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 (may take awhile)
by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/nautilus-cd-burner; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list
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  *  *  *  *
checking for cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 dependencies that also may not be
installed
listing cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/ports/converters/libiconv; make describe
  *  *  *  *
adding libiconv-1.9.2_1 to list of things to be upgraded/added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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-=>MISSING<=- cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227[/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk] may be a
dependency of totem-0.100
verifing dependency status of cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 (may take awhile)
by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/multimedia/totem; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list
of things to be updated
  *  *  *  *
checking for cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227 dependencies that also may not be
installed
listing cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227's known dependencies by executing command:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools-cjk; make  all-depends-list
  *  *  *  *
dependency -=>converters/libiconv
        executing: cd /usr/ports/converters/libiconv; make describe
  *  *  *  *
adding libiconv-1.9.2_1 to list of things to be upgraded/added.
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1_1
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dependency is gnupg-1.4.0_1
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status report finished
========================================================================
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dependency libiconv-1.9.2_1 that needs to be updated f
irst
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st
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first
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dated first
upgrade 0.2.6_5 info: ignoring cjk-cdrtools-2.01.20041227, reason: failed
during (5) emergancy restore
upgrade 0.2.6_5 WARNING: This is the second time libiconv-1.9.2_1 is being
built,
one more attempt and it will be marked as ignore.

libiconv-1.9.2_1 not found in dependencyPortsDb property->fieldChildPortName
------------------------------------------------------------------------
update of ports collection complete with either some errors, ignored ports
or both
========================================================================
su-2.05b#

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I have 2 small problems about installing FreeBSD.
1) My HDD is a 8,4 Gb quantum, which has 1 bad sector laying on it 
somewhere. I created ntfs partition
on it, and format detected that sector, and marked as bad so there was no 
problem of data loss because writing
to that sector. Now, if i fdisk the whole HDD to a freebsd slice, and 
divide it to partitions i get an error during
filesystem creation, that a bad sector was detected. The system panics, and 
reboots after 15 sec.
My question: why isnt the UFS able to mark this/these sectors as bad, and 
simply not to use them?
Throwing panic for one single bad sector is not an elegant way.

2) My other smaller question: If i enabled SoftUpdates at install-time for "/"
but changed my mind, how can i turn it off ? I cant unmount "/" to change it,
because its always busy (the other partitions can be unmounted easily in 
single user)

I think these are basic problems, and should be (especially turning OFF 
softupdate on "/") mentioned in handbook also.
ricsip

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 08:45:52AM -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
> 
> Read ShowStopper!.  It's an excellent history of the background of NT 
> (and Cutler).  You can also read the Why I Hate Microsoft rant posted 
> at http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html .  
> I find it an excellent read for the history in it.

Thanks for that URL. It's a wonderful article.

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Yes it's very possible. :-)  You may want to check out FreeRadius 
(http://www.freeradius.org/).  It is a free radius server which is what 
I think you are looking for.  I will state that you need to take some 
time to read up on this a little bit as it can be irritating to set up 
a radius server if you are not familiar with all the settings.  I did 
this for my D-link AP for fun then went back to wep for reasons I don't 
remember.  Ohh, FreeRadius has a port, so you can start there. :-)  
It's a popular radius server for *nix.  A medium-sized datacenter I 
worked at used it for all communications gear and dial-up access.  
Anyways, good luck sir.

Dustin

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> I'm newbie and I'm trying to set up a test network
> than isn't connected to Internet on FreeBSD 4.7
>
> I was wondering if it is possible to set up my FreeBSD
> 4.7 as a authentication server for 802.1x security
> using D-Link 624 Wireless Router.
>
> 1 more stupid question do I need a wireless NIC for
> the FreeBSD box?
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On Wednesday 16 February 2005 09:50 am, Brian John wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > ################################
> > Ignore my last message! change assert(0); to break; not continue;
> > #################################
> >
> > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 08:52 pm, Brian John wrote:
> >
> > Brian, I can't send this to you as a patch because it would
> > conflict with the last pr I submitted so I need you to do it this
> > way instead:
> >
> > cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager
> > make deinstall
> > make clean
> > make patch
> > cd
> > /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager/work/portmanager-0.2.6/libPMGR/src
> > ee PMGRrUpgrade.c
> > scroll down to line 271and change:
> >
> > assert(0);
> >
> > to
> >
> > break;
> >
> > cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager
> > make install clean
> >
> > Then let me know how it goes.  If this works for you I'll be adding
> > it in the next change, I haven't been able to duplicate this on my
> > machine so right now you are my only hope of fixing this bug.
> >
> > -Mike
>
> Hmmmm...I am still getting errors.  Output is below.
>
> Thanks again
>
> /Brian
>
OK Brian I want to go through everything piece by piece on your system,
so I need to look at portmanager's databases. They shouldn't be too big.
Please send me: portmanager.tar.gz

cd /usr/local/share
tar -cf portmanager.tar portmanager
gzip portmanager.tar

Thank you

-Mike

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----- Original Message -----
> On Wednesday 16 February 2005 09:50 am, Brian John wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> > ################################
>> > Ignore my last message! change assert(0); to break; not continue;
>> > #################################
>> >
>> > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 08:52 pm, Brian John wrote:
>> >
>> > Brian, I can't send this to you as a patch because it would
>> > conflict with the last pr I submitted so I need you to do it this
>> > way instead:
>> >
>> > cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager
>> > make deinstall
>> > make clean
>> > make patch
>> > cd
>> > /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager/work/portmanager-0.2.6/libPMGR/src
>> > ee PMGRrUpgrade.c
>> > scroll down to line 271and change:
>> >
>> > assert(0);
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> > break;
>> >
>> > cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager
>> > make install clean
>> >
>> > Then let me know how it goes.  If this works for you I'll be adding
>> > it in the next change, I haven't been able to duplicate this on my
>> > machine so right now you are my only hope of fixing this bug.
>> >
>> > -Mike
>>
>> Hmmmm...I am still getting errors.  Output is below.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> /Brian
>>
> OK Brian I want to go through everything piece by piece on your system,
> so I need to look at portmanager's databases. They shouldn't be too big.
> Please send me: portmanager.tar.gz
>
> cd /usr/local/share
> tar -cf portmanager.tar portmanager
> gzip portmanager.tar
>
> Thank you
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Sure, it's attached.

Let me know what you come up with

Thanks

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Hi All:

I was editing my rc.conf file and left off a quote mark, and now when I try 
to reboot I get an error and am prompted to drop into shell to fix it.

The default prompt is /bin/sh, and if I hit return I get a prompt.

How can I edit the file while I'm in that prompt? VI doesn't work...is there 
another text editor I can use to fix the file?

TIA 

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In my daily run output email, I get the following error message:

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 04:04:55AM -0800, Vonleigh Simmons wrote:
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mount -a
vi /etc/rc.conf

Running fsck is your prerogative.



-Kyle Mott



aklist_061666 wrote:

> Hi All:
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> I was editing my rc.conf file and left off a quote mark, and now when 
> I try to reboot I get an error and am prompted to drop into shell to 
> fix it.
>
> The default prompt is /bin/sh, and if I hit return I get a prompt.
>
> How can I edit the file while I'm in that prompt? VI doesn't work...is 
> there another text editor I can use to fix the file?
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> TIA
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I've been using cvsup to upgrade the ports on my Freebsd box, and it
works great.  My question is how often should you cvsup the src and do a
buildworld?

Thanks
Cody

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Hi.

A couple of days ago I upgrades the system and a few ports on
a 5.3 box and since then I'm often getting crashes.

-bash-2.05b# uname -a
FreeBSD jupiter.noonlights.net 5.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: 
Sun Feb 13 22:56:47 CET 2005 
root@jupiter.noonlights.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JUPITER  i386

I'd like to get a crash dump and so
I added the following lines to /etc/rc.conf
dumpdev="/dev/ad0s1b"
dumpdir="/usr/crash"

-bash-2.05b# ls -ld /usr/crash/
drwx------  2 root  wheel  512 Feb 16 11:17 /usr/crash/

but I'm not getting any dump! /usr/crash is always empty.

..and the machine crashes quite often:
-bash-2.05b# last|grep reboot
reboot           ~                         Wed Feb 16 20:04
reboot           ~                         Wed Feb 16 19:17
reboot           ~                         Wed Feb 16 18:40
reboot           ~                         Wed Feb 16 17:26
reboot           ~                         Wed Feb 16 14:07
reboot           ~                         Wed Feb 16 12:39
reboot           ~                         Wed Feb 16 11:30
reboot           ~                         Wed Feb 16 10:27
reboot           ~                         Wed Feb 16 09:31
reboot           ~                         Wed Feb 16 09:16

What do I miss? Do I need some kernel option?

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 12:50:28PM -0600, Cody Holland wrote:
> I've been using cvsup to upgrade the ports on my Freebsd box, and it
> works great.  My question is how often should you cvsup the src and do a
> buildworld?

Subscribe to FreeBSD-security-notifications, and you will receive mail
when a fix is applied.  Other than that, it doesn't hurt to run cvsup
over your src tree once a week.  There's only need to do a buildworld if
any files are updated.  It's a strategy that works well for me, anyway.
YMMV, as they say.

HTH

Dan

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Hi all

I installed freebsd 4.11 in amd64 machine.

but I can't set kern.ipc.nmbclusters in loader.conf

It reboots automatically!

pls help

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On Feb 16, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

> Bart Silverstrim writes:
>
>> Um, no.  OS/2 had the Presentation Manager layer on it for the GUI.
>
> Presentation Manager was an afterthought, once they realized how far
> they had gone astray.

anthony: "But IBM wanted a CLI, like DOS or
OS/2, whereas Microsoft insisted that a GUI was the wave of the future
on the desktop.  As it turned out, Microsoft was right."

They added a GUI on OS/2 when machines could start handling a GUI 
without knuckling under.  Point is, OS/2 was graphical, and PM was out 
before Program Manager on NT.

>> Because we were discussing at that particular point Apple, their GUI,
>> their OS.  OS X = Darwin + Aqua.
>
> Let's return to discussion of FreeBSD, then.

Fine, then it's agreed that Apple's OS isn't necessarily married to the 
GUI, just as FreeBSD isn't married to X.  If you want their tools, 
however, you take the good with the bad.  Otherwise get handy with the 
command line on Darwin.

>> Then once again, they profit from them and continue to profit by their
>> recertification.
>
> If they bother to recertify.

Irrelevant.  They (MS) still profit in every other way I mentioned.  
And if these are corporate techs that survive in the world of certs by 
having as many acronyms as possible on their resume', they recertify.

>> They are human advertisements, they are MS
>> evangelists by proxy, they reinforce market position, and they are
>> brainwashed into MS-centric solutions for everything thus encouraging
>> more purchases by the companies they work for/in from MS.
>
> They are not brainwashed by MS.  They were that way long before they
> became MCSEs, otherwise they would not have become MCSEs.

I made the mistake of taking a swipe at the popularity of the cert 
programs out there.  Any cert test it seems (except maybe A+) is aimed 
at pushing the product you cert on.  I thought you'd catch what I was 
implying.

And you're over-categorizing.  Many people get MCSE because their boss 
or business requires it or pays for it along the way, not because they 
want to use Windows as a solution for everything short of running their 
expresso machine.  How many BSD admins have a cert around somewhere?

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I use a 4.10 FreeBSD box as a NAT device, IPF firewall and DHCP server. 
I recently got VOIP service from my ISP (Speakeasy). The VOIP box they 
sent me goes in between the NAT box and the DSL modem, and it is 
supposed to prioritize VOIP traffic so calls are clear. But, if I am 
doing a download my calls do get a little choppy. It's tolerable but I 
would like to improve it.

How can I prioritize the VOIP traffic under 4.10 with IPF? Googling has 
shown me (http://www.muine.org/~hoang/freenat.html) that I need the 
ipfirewall + dummynet options in my kernel to enable QoS, but I am 
unlcear on how that will work with my existing ipf firewall rules.

Thanks for any leads.

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I currently have a jumpstart server setup in such a way that we can
specify on a "configure" command-line various install options (which
4.x-RELEASE we want to use, server config type, etc.). This part is
working great and has saved us a ton of time.

Now that 5.x is moving into the realm of being stable enough for our
production uses, we're looking into making use of some of the
SMP-related goodies in that release line. Unfortunately, I do not seem
to be able to get our jumpstart server to be able to dynamically
install both 4.x and 5.x targets from the same machine.

I'm able to get the jumpstart server to export the 5.3-RELEASE partition
and pass the GENERIC kernel and install.cfg over to the network-booting
machine, but when it comes time to actually NFS mount the install
partition on the target server to run the install, it returns an NFS
error:

	mount_nfs -P 10.x.x.x:/releases/5.3-RELEASE/ /dist
	mount_nfs: Can't update /var/db/mounttab for 10.x.x.x:/releases/5.3-RELEASE
	mount_nfs: /dist: operation not supported by device

I'm assuming the problem is related to the fact that the jumpstart
server is running 4.x-RELEASE, while the OS I'm trying to install on the
target server (and the kernel that's attempting to NFS mount the
partition) is from the 5.x line and they're fighting over mounttab
magic.

Does anybody know if this kind of thing is possible? If so, what did you
do to enable such a configuration to work? (Would it be possible to
install both 4.x and 5.x on network-booting clients if the jumpstart
server was 5.x instead of 4.x as it is now?)

I'd really like to avoid having to build a second jumpstart server just
to get 5.x installs working, but I'm afraid it's looking like that's the
way I'll need to go... Any tips would be most appreciated.

-Jamie

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Daniel Bye writes:

>  > I've been using cvsup to upgrade the ports on my Freebsd box, and it
>  > works great.  My question is how often should you cvsup the src and do a
>  > buildworld?
>  
>  Subscribe to FreeBSD-security-notifications, and you will receive
>  mail when a fix is applied.  Other than that, it doesn't hurt to
>  run cvsup over your src tree once a week.  There's only need to
>  do a buildworld if any files are updated.  It's a strategy that
>  works well for me, anyway.  YMMV, as they say.

	That's certainly a viable theory.
	I update every 4-8 weeks in addition to critical patches.  It's
not strictly necessary ... but it means I benefit from all the
little fixes and improvements that happen on a daily basis,


			Robert Huff


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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:04:28 -0000, Paul  wrote:
> I am trying to forward bittorrent ports on FreeBSD 5.3 with ipf and ipnat.
> But the bittorrent indicator stays yellow which means it isn't set up
> correctly.  Also, I don't get as many connections to peers as I should and
> download speeds are very poor.  My ipnat.rules and ipf.rules files are shown
> below:

Took some toying around for me as well to get it running. For
starters, Azureus is fine with one port only (set in Tools -> Options
-> Incoming TCP listen port) i use 50505.

>[...]
> 
> #bittorrent
> 
> rdr tun0 0/32 port 6881 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6881 tcp/udp
> 
> rdr tun0 0/32 port 6882 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6882 tcp/udp
> 
> rdr tun0 0/32 port 6883 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6883 tcp/udp
> 
> rdr tun0 0/32 port 6884 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6884 tcp/udp
> 
> rdr tun0 0/32 port 6885 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6885 tcp/udp
> 
> rdr tun0 0/32 port 6886 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6886 tcp/udp
> 
> rdr tun0 0/32 port 6887 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6887 tcp/udp
> 
> rdr tun0 0/32 port 6888 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6888 tcp/udp
> 
> rdr tun0 0/32 port 6889 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6889 tcp/udp
> 
> rdr tun0 0/32 port 6890 -> 192.168.0.3 port 6890 tcp/udp

The "Any IP on interface" for ipnat seems to be 0/0 instead of 0/32
and i am not sure if the tcp/udp keyword also works with ipnat. I use:

rdr xl0 0/0 port 50505 -> 192.168.0.11 port 50505 tcp
rdr xl0 0/0 port 50505 -> 192.168.0.11 port 50505 udp

and then in ipf.rules:

pass in quick on xl0 proto tcp from any to 192.168.0.11 port = 50505
flags S keep state
pass in quick on xl0 proto udp from any to 192.168.0.11 port = 50505 keep state

Regards

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Howdy all.

I just installed Free BSD 5.3 RELEASE on a PC based machine.  It is connected
to the LAN here at work. (Internet connectivity seems to be fine)

After installing KDE (this is the first time for me) I decided to try to 
install a printer. (KDE version 3.3)

All the docs say that I should try the "Add Printer Wizard" in the print
manager.  But when I go in there, and click on the "add" button, a drop down
menu appears.  

The first choice "Add Printer/Class" is grayed out.
The second line "Add Special (Pseudo) Printer" is available. (But I dont want
to do that)

Question:  what do I need to fix to get the first choice to not be grayed out?

Thanks!

-Zim




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   Yes, i check, the /root /.* but they looks correct, i check the
propierties and attr of that directory and files, but they look
correct. I dont know what more to check :-?

    Another error i found is went i try to see a manpage the system
send this error:

mistake# man ls
/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1  "/usr/lib/libz.so.2"

   That cannot find that library, i check those files and they exist,
maybe went i was reparin my system i broke the link, could i repair
this???

   If i make the makeworld again could be fixed????
   
   Thanks.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:14:02 -0800 (PST), Lowell Gilbert
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> perikillo  writes:
> 
> >   Hi all.
> >       Look i was hardering my freebsd box 4.10 p5, but i made one mistake:
> >                             "I didnt test my system before i reboot"
> >
> >   I was reading some docs about "security", i use chflags on:
> >
> >   mistake# chflags schg /bin/*
> >   mistake# chflags schg /sbin/*
> >
> >   Them apply some chmod on /root files:
> >
> >    mistake# chmod 0600 /root/.*  (i think :-?)
> >
> >   I was trying to make my root directory only visible by root user.
> > But dont remenber wich mod i apply. I made more changes but dont
> > remember all.
> >
> >     The result was that went i try to access my box like normal user
> > (wheel group), the systema say:
> >                           "error: cannot find root directory"
> >
> >    Them i boot single-user, i input my password:
> >
> >                                  "init: single-user failed"
> >
> >     Here i could not access my system, my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >   Ok, them get my 3 floppys, kern, mfs, and fixit .flp. I mount / to
> > access  my system:
> >
> >    -delete the schg label on /bin and /sbin
> >     mistake#chflags noschg /bin/*
> >     mistake#chflags noschg /sbin/*
> >
> >      On the root directory, i change my .files attr:
> >
> > mistake# chmod 0644 /root/.*
> >
> >     I change my ttys, to let root access the system: from insecure -> secure.
> >
> >     I was checking other system with the same version 4.10 p5, and let
> > the files attributes on /root and / with the same attributes.
> >
> >      I dont touch the /kernel file, after this change root could
> > access the system, but the other users dont have access:
> >
> >                                 "error: cannot find root directory".
> >
> >      This is my situation right now, could some one give some clues to
> > resolve this problem,  i dont want to install again the S.O, this
> > machine i working very well.
> >
> >    I will apreciate any  clue. Thanks all for your time.
> 
> Check the permissions on "/.".
>

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Peter Risdon wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 11:48 +0000, Peter Risdon wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 21:48 -0500, Bob Ababurko wrote:
>>
>>>Hello-
>>>
>>>I am trying to figure out how to configure the ports....what I am trying 
>>>to do is add mhash to my system that a new script needs and I have to 
>>>add the --with-mhash=[dir] when I compile php.  Well I installed php 
>>>with the ports and I am hoping to reinstall it with this added.  I have 
>>>tried to add it to the Makefile under the configure options, but I got 
>>>an error that said: "Unassociated shell command".  That obviously is not 
>>>the right way.
>>
>>Just install:
>>
>>/usr/ports/security/php4-mhash
>>
>>on top of your existing php installation.
>>
>>An alternative is to install /lang/php4-extensions and check the
>>relevant boxes.
> 
> 
> Ugh. errant slash:
> 
> install lang/php4-extensions
> 
> Peter.
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After installing php4-mhash, I cannot get apache to restart.
I cannot find anything in the logs, namely http-error.log probabl 
because apache needs to be started.  I am not finding anything in the 
/var/log/messages either.  When I start apache from the command line, it 
gives me the message the httpd has been started but there doesn't. 
What could be wrong?

btw, this is installing on apache ....WAIT a moment.  When I do a 
pkg_info, I get apache+mod_ssl-1.3.31+2.8.19.  Could that be my problem? 
  Does that mean that there are two versions of apache installed?  I do 
not remember doing this....as a matter of fact I know I did not do this.
Can someone shed some light on this for me?



-Bob

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Hi all,

I've recently had a PC become available, and I would like to set it up as a
kind of video recorder.

I would like to purchase a card of some sort that would allow me to connect
the PC to my TV, and record television programmes on the hard-drive. The
reverse also - playing back the recording, and viewing it on the TV.

Now, i've done a little research, and I understand that FreeBSD "provides
support for PCI-based TV cards using a Brooktree Bt848/849/878/879 or a
Conexant CN-878/Fusion 878a Video Capture Chip with the bktr(4) driver".

Does anyone have any recomendations on a video capture card that would be
suitable?

Has anyone done anything like this before? I presume so as the driver
already exists.

How successful (or otherwise), did the project turn out?

I realise there is lots of software in the ports collection that can provide
audio/video capture capabilities, but does anyone know of any that can be
scheduled to automatically start and stop capturing at predefined times? I
suppose I could use the crontab if the software supports command line
configuration...

Regards,

Jazz

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Jamie Novak wrote:

> I'm able to get the jumpstart server to export the 5.3-RELEASE partition
> and pass the GENERIC kernel and install.cfg over to the network-booting
> machine, but when it comes time to actually NFS mount the install
> partition on the target server to run the install, it returns an NFS
> error:
> 
> 	mount_nfs -P 10.x.x.x:/releases/5.3-RELEASE/ /dist
> 	mount_nfs: Can't update /var/db/mounttab for 10.x.x.x:/releases/5.3-RELEASE
> 	mount_nfs: /dist: operation not supported by device
> 
> I'm assuming the problem is related to the fact that the jumpstart
> server is running 4.x-RELEASE, while the OS I'm trying to install on the
> target server (and the kernel that's attempting to NFS mount the
> partition) is from the 5.x line and they're fighting over mounttab
> magic.

No I don't think so. This error has been mentioned also in a previous 
thread yesterday regarding diskless clients.

> Does anybody know if this kind of thing is possible? If so, what did you
> do to enable such a configuration to work? (Would it be possible to
> install both 4.x and 5.x on network-booting clients if the jumpstart
> server was 5.x instead of 4.x as it is now?)

I haven't tried with multi-version jumpstart, but I have used memory 
disk fetched with tftp and installed with ftp. Avoids the NFS mess. I 
wrote this into a howto:

    http://www.daemonsecurity.com/pxe/

Any feedback is appreciated.

(When I haven't submitted this yet, it's because I want to cover 
diskless also and I still haven't found good solutions for nfs mount of 
/var and there is a problem with using dhclient.)

Hope this helps.

Cheers, Erik

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:41:14AM -0500, Mike Alich wrote:
> Can anyone tell me what this means?  I have been running my server for
> several months and no problems.
> =20
> I just go this error.What do I need to fix it?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Feb 15 09:14:50 s1 /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device:
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This usually indicates a dying disk.  Replace it.

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I just installed apache 2 and was trying to see if port 80 was open by doing
a sockstat -4 but I couldn't see the port so I thought it didn't install
right. So I did a sockstat -6 and noticed port 80 is showing up for IPv6
sockets.

Is this a default feature for Apache 2 on freebsd.

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Right now I've got a server running FreeBSD 4.11.  My question is, is
there a way to automatically run fsck on a system reboot, without
having to go through the process of sitting at the computer, changing
the run level, etc, etc. Clearly it's beneficial in a work environment
to be able to wait till night hours to run such operations, but I
personally have no desire to hang around the office until midnight
just to run a file system check.  I know on any Windows machine this
is easily accomplished by running chkdsk and answering "y" when it
prompts if you want the system checked on the next reboot...you can go
home, wait till midnight, and reboot the system, it will automatically
check itself and come back online.  Can this be accomplished in
FreeBSD?

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Peter C. Lai wrote:
> I have a box with DPT PM2044 SmartCacheIV UW-SCSI PCI cards which can do 
> RAID-5 in hardware, but I'd have to use the DOS volume manager to set up 
> the array. I have heard reports that vinum woudl be faster than using the 
> native card. Is this true? Should I not bother with doing the hardware raid 
> and just go with vinum?
> 
> The rest of the system is a k6-2 400mhz with 256mb ram (amount might change).
> I will also have moderate network i/o on the pci bus (obviously).

I still have one here lingering around somewhere on a shelf. It ran a 
4*1Gb diskarray RAID-5 when 1GB disk where still sort of big. So that is 
how old this card is.

With that I did have some unplesant experiences with this card:
- First and most major it seems that you need to have the right version 
firmware in it. Otherwise things might get seriously hossed at 
unexpected times. Just buffers timing out in the middle of the night.
- The other issue was that my disk where in an external cabinet and once 
the cable came loose. It killed the raid as expected, but it took me a 
long time to find some tools to force the disk up the brute way. Just to 
see if I could recover some of the data.
And like you say: Al these tools are DOS based.

Currently I'm running a 4*60Gb ATA RAID5 with old vinum on a 233 MHZ P2, 
256Mb with FBSD 5.1. This ATA just because ATA disk are so much cheaper 
per MB, and I do not need utmost dependability for my 6 PC office.
I've ordered 4*250Gb ATA disks this week to build a new RAID5, and I'll 
go again for vinum.

--WjW

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On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 13:42, aklist_061666 wrote:
> Hi All:
> 
> I was editing my rc.conf file and left off a quote mark, and now when I try 
> to reboot I get an error and am prompted to drop into shell to fix it.
> 
> The default prompt is /bin/sh, and if I hit return I get a prompt.
> 
> How can I edit the file while I'm in that prompt? VI doesn't work...is there 
> another text editor I can use to fix the file?
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On Wednesday, 16 February 2005 at 10:52:24 -0500, Ean Kingston wrote:
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>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 09:58:17AM -0500, Ean Kingston wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a box with DPT PM2044 SmartCacheIV UW-SCSI PCI cards which
>>>> can do RAID-5 in hardware, but I'd have to use the DOS volume
>>>> manager to set up the array. I have heard reports that vinum
>>>> woudl be faster than using the native card. Is this true?
>>>
>>> Doubtful, though I have heard that there are some rare special
>>> circumstances where software raid can be faster.

Recall that there are no real hardware RAID controllers on the
market.  The difference is whether you have a special processor on the
controller card or not.  To determine which is faster, you need to
compare the hardware on the card and the hardware in the system.
>> The reason I asked is because
>> http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/FreeBSD/vinum.html
>
> I did not know that. Interesting read.

>> suggests vinum can be marginally better than the hardware raid on
>> the smartraid range of cards (which have an even faster processor
>> onboard than the smartcache range). The CPU platform is more or
>> less comparable.  Then again it is with old Fbsd, so I don't know
>> how accurate that is.

I'd guess that the version of FreeBSD is no particular relevance.

> You may have noticed that there were comments about not trusting
> vinum's RAID5 support in that article.

You'll also note that these claims are in no way substantiated.  It's
word of mouth:

> However, I still don't trust RAID-5 under vinum (it has had a long
> and colorful history of surprisingly negative interactions with
> software that it should not, such as "softupdates"),

There is in fact no substantiation whatsoever for this claim.
problems have been reported that suspected either Vinum or soft
updates, and which were frequently related to neither.  We have no
reason to believe that there was ever the kind of problem he's talking
about here.

> and I have not yet had a chance to test vinum under failure mode
> conditions (where at least one disk of a RAID set has failed).

I have.  It works.  There appears to be a bug in reintegrating disks
with a live file system, so it should be unmounted first.

(end of quotation).

> If you are using FreeBSD 5.3, the default is now gvinum (sort of
> second generation of vinum). The gvinum tools don't give you the
> ability to create RAID5 virutal disks so if that is what you want,
> you may not want to go with vinum or gvinum.

I'm not sure what you mean here.  I haven't tried RAID-5 on gvinum,
but it's the first time I've heard that it's not supported.

> Another thing to consider is if you use software RAID and your
> application gets CPU bound, you are going to take a double
> performance hit (both disk and cpu).

One or the other.  It's a tradeoff.

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I have a 5.3-stable system that I am trying to update.

This is my stable-supfile:

*default host=cvsup14.us.FreeBSD.org
*default base=/var/db
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5
*default delete use-rel-suffix
src-all
ports-all tag=.
doc-all tag=.

These are the 7 commands I do to update the system:

cvsup -g -L 2 stable-supfile
cd /usr/src
make buildworld
make buildkernel
make installkernel
mergemaster
make installworld

When I do the make buildkernel I get this:

mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -ffreestanding -Werror  
/usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c
/usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c: In function `ahc_alloc':
/usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c:3854: error: `ahd' undeclared (first use in this function)
/usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c:3854: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only 
once
/usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c:3854: error: for each function it appears in.)
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.


I noticed during the cvsup some aic7xxx stuff was pulled down.

Is this question for the current or ports list?

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 05:40:42PM -0500, Matt LaPlante wrote:
> Right now I've got a server running FreeBSD 4.11.  My question is, is
> there a way to automatically run fsck on a system reboot, without
> having to go through the process of sitting at the computer, changing
> the run level, etc, etc. Clearly it's beneficial in a work environment
> to be able to wait till night hours to run such operations, but I
> personally have no desire to hang around the office until midnight
> just to run a file system check.  I know on any Windows machine this
> is easily accomplished by running chkdsk and answering "y" when it
> prompts if you want the system checked on the next reboot...you can go
> home, wait till midnight, and reboot the system, it will automatically
> check itself and come back online.  Can this be accomplished in
> FreeBSD?

fsck will be run at boot time if the system needs to run it
(i.e. unclean shutdown).  See the rc.conf manpage for relevant options
for rc.conf.  Unlike Windows, you don't need to run fsck regularly as
a regular maintenance measure.

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Hi Ken,

The best thing I saw on installing Java is below.  It worked flawlessly.

http://www.brettsbsd.net/~estrabd/blog/index.php?/archives/21_Java_1.4_on_FreeBSD_4.10_in_8_steps.html

Pat


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> I have seen a few things on how to do this however I can't find the
> java file:j2sdk-1_3_1_14-linux-i586.bin
> 
> on any of sun's servers.
> 
> in lieu of what I have been doing how can i install java on a FreeBSD
> box?
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After running cvsup, I then ran portdb -Uu and received the following
error.

Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please
wait..gnustep-slideshow-0.3: "/usr/ports/graphics/slideshowkit"
non-existent -- dependency list incomplete
=3D=3D=3D> graphics/gnustep-slideshow failed
*** Error code 1
1 error

*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports.
failed to generate INDEX!
portsdb: index generation error

How do I fix this?

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pkgdb -F

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Rob wrote:
> Ramiro Aceves wrote:
> 
>>I have read that others had this problem before. I
>>just write this report for you to know.
>>
>>When I installed FreeBSD 5.3 R, I get some errors
>>like this, but I could end the install:
>>
>>ad0: WARNING -READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying 
>>        request) LBA=5313599
>>ad0: FAILURE -READ_DMA status=51
>>        error=84 >ICRC,ABORTED>
>>spec_getpages:(ad0s1a) I/O read failure: (error=5)
>>................
>>
>>I have solved the problem disabling DMA:
>>hw.ata.ata_dma="0"
>>
>>(I previously tried disabling ACPI with no success,
>>and playing with BIOS LBA, LARGE, NORMAL settings
>>at the BIOS with no success).
>>
>>Now ad0: works in PIO4 mode and everything is fine,
>>previously , it was UDMA33. Now there are no errors.
> 
> 
> There's you and me now. I have this problem with two
> of my PCs. I don't know yet of anybody else who has
> these problems.
> 
> It's indeed a serious problem, but too few people
> running 5.3 seem to suffer from this.
> 
> Have you tried with 4.11?
> I bet that would not generate these problems.
> 

Thanks, I see that we are not alone!

I have not got a 4.11 CDROM here. I could test it on 4.10 if you think 
it is important, I have a 4.10 CDROM here. My internet is too slow to 
dowload a full CDROM at home. I can download 4.11 install CDROM on the 
computers at University if it worths the effort.

Please let me know.

Ramiro.



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> Rob.
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Peter Risdon wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 06:31 -0800, Rob wrote:
> 
>>Ramiro Aceves wrote:
>>
>>>I have read that others had this problem before. I
>>>just write this report for you to know.
>>>
>>>When I installed FreeBSD 5.3 R, I get some errors
>>>like this, but I could end the install:
>>>
>>>ad0: WARNING -READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying 
>>>        request) LBA=5313599
>>>ad0: FAILURE -READ_DMA status=51
>>>        error=84 >ICRC,ABORTED>
>>>spec_getpages:(ad0s1a) I/O read failure: (error=5)
>>>................
>>>
>>>I have solved the problem disabling DMA:
>>>hw.ata.ata_dma="0"
>>>
>>>(I previously tried disabling ACPI with no success,
>>>and playing with BIOS LBA, LARGE, NORMAL settings
>>>at the BIOS with no success).
>>>
>>>Now ad0: works in PIO4 mode and everything is fine,
>>>previously , it was UDMA33. Now there are no errors.
>>
>>There's you and me now. I have this problem with two
>>of my PCs. I don't know yet of anybody else who has
>>these problems.
>>
>>It's indeed a serious problem, but too few people
>>running 5.3 seem to suffer from this.
> 
> 
> No, it's a known problem and I filed a pr about it a while back. So far
> as I know, there's been no action on the pr and disabling dma is the
> only workaround.
> 
>>Have you tried with 4.11?
>>I bet that would not generate these problems.
> 
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> Peter.
> 
> 
> 

Hi Peter!

Thank you very much for the usefull information.
We will keep in touch for any news.

Ramiro.

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> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 04:04:55AM -0800, Vonleigh Simmons wrote:
>> 	I asked this question before but I haven't found a solution. I'm
>> getting in my mail log the following entry repeated:
>>
>> usr/local/libexec/mlock[755]: (64) not setgid mail
>>
>> 	And I can't figure out what it's complaining about. Below is the
>> previous thread questions which ruled out some things. Any help
>> resolving this issue is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> > 067212.html>
>
> Dan Nelson posted this in reply to your question:
>
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-December/ 
> 067214.html

	And I responded (next in thread):



	Since then I've rebuilt imap-uw, so now my permissions for mlock are  
as follows today:

-rwx--s--x  1 root  mail  5808 Feb 15 07:11 /usr/local/libexec/mlock


Vonleigh Simmons


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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 05:17:09PM -0600, Cody Holland wrote:
> After running cvsup, I then ran portdb -Uu and received the following
> error.
> 
> Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please
> wait..gnustep-slideshow-0.3: "/usr/ports/graphics/slideshowkit"
> non-existent -- dependency list incomplete
> ===> graphics/gnustep-slideshow failed
> *** Error code 1
> 1 error
> 
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports.
> failed to generate INDEX!
> portsdb: index generation error
> 
> How do I fix this?

Same thing just happened to me and searching on the web told me
to run "make fetchindex".  Worked for me.

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--- Ramiro Aceves  wrote:

> Rob wrote:
> > Ramiro Aceves wrote:
> > 
> >>I have read that others had this problem before. I
> >>just write this report for you to know.
> >>
> >>When I installed FreeBSD 5.3 R, I get some errors
> >>like this, but I could end the install:
> >>
> >>ad0: WARNING -READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying 
> >>        request) LBA=5313599
> >>ad0: FAILURE -READ_DMA status=51
> >>        error=84 >ICRC,ABORTED>
> >>spec_getpages:(ad0s1a) I/O read failure: (error=5)
> >>................
> >>
> >>I have solved the problem disabling DMA:
> >>hw.ata.ata_dma="0"
> >>
> > 
> > It's indeed a serious problem, but too few people
> > running 5.3 seem to suffer from this.
> > 
> > Have you tried with 4.11?
> > I bet that would not generate these problems.
> > 
> 
> Thanks, I see that we are not alone!
> 
> I have not got a 4.11 CDROM here. I could test it on
> 4.10 if you think 
> it is important, I have a 4.10 CDROM here. My
> internet is too slow to 
> dowload a full CDROM at home. I can download 4.11
> install CDROM on the 
> computers at University if it worths the effort.

No, no need for that. It's already confirmed that
4.X does not have this problem.

However, recently there's a 'ATA mkIII' patch around,
which seems to also solve this problem. Follow the
discussion on -stable mailinglist for further
details.
I'm not yet sure whether you have to upgrade first
to "5-STABLE" before applying this patch.

Rob.


		
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:17:09 -0600
"Cody Holland"  wrote:

> After running cvsup, I then ran portdb -Uu and received the following
> error.
> 
> Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please
> wait..gnustep-slideshow-0.3: "/usr/ports/graphics/slideshowkit"
> non-existent -- dependency list incomplete
> ===> graphics/gnustep-slideshow failed
> *** Error code 1
> 1 error
> 
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports.
> failed to generate INDEX!
> portsdb: index generation error
> 
> How do I fix this?

hello cody,

note:  this is not a fix, but an alternative:

rather than building your copy of INDEX locally, you can

	cd /usr/ports && make fetchindex

this will download a precompiled copy INDEX.  while this one is not
guaranteed to *exactly* match your local tree (although it might), it is
sufficiently fresh that you are not likely to bump into any INDEX
related problems.  if i had to guess as to its reliability, i would
say that it works 99.978592% of the time.

this precompiled copy is rebuilt by the servers every 2 hours (or less),
so if you ever do bump into a problem, you can just wait a bit and pull
down a newer version (or build it locally).

the advantage you ask?  well, downloading the INDEX takes only the time
required for your connection to pull down a ~700 k file, whereas
building INDEX locally usually takes 30-60 minutes, not to mention,
quite a few CPU cycles.

anyhoo.  food for thought.


cheers,
epi

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> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 04:04:55AM -0800, Vonleigh Simmons wrote:
>> 	I asked this question before but I haven't found a solution. I'm
>> getting in my mail log the following entry repeated:
>>
>> usr/local/libexec/mlock[755]: (64) not setgid mail
>>
>> 	And I can't figure out what it's complaining about. Below is the
>> previous thread questions which ruled out some things. Any help
>> resolving this issue is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> > 067212.html>

	While looking at that thread again I found this also from Dan Nelson:
---
The code that does the check is this:

   struct group *grp = getgrnam ("mail");
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	Looking up the man pages I see that getegid gets the group id of the 
calling process.

	What is the calling process to mlock?  I tried setting ipop2d, ipop3d 
and imapd to group mail but that didn't change anything.


Vonleigh Simmons


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On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 10:40:19PM -0600, Brian John wrote:
> help me get started setting this up?  Is there any hope that I will be 
> able to get this printer to work as well

Perhaps.

> (and easy)

No. Blame HP. 

> as it works in Windows?

The (not very helpful) point to learn from this is: When buying a
printer, select the model/manufactorer with regard to whether (and
how) it can be used with your favourite OS.

Usually, nowadays it is very easy to get printers to work which speak
either some kind of PCL or Postscript. Most of todays printers do.
-- 

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>>>>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:43:20 +0100, 
>>>>> Erik Norgaard  said:

 > dick hoogendijk wrote:
 >> I have configures pure-ftpd to use a restrict set op known ports to the
 >> outside.
 >> I also openen up 5999 already.
 >> 
 >> Most problems I encounter are for streaming media. This is blocked most
 >> of the time. Are these random ports or always the same?

 > Dunno, I think they are, but it is badly documented as these are 
 > proprietary protocols. google port numbers, some lists are more 
 > extensive than /etc/services

You can also put some log statements into your firewall rules to
figure out what you are blocking that you really would like to pass.

Sandy

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Hello,

I'm currently running 5.3 on a HP Pavillion ze4420us laptop. Pretty much 
everything that I would
like to get working works, with the exception of my NIC's. The onboard 
National Semiconductor DP83815/16 works fine by itself with the sis driver. 
I have 2 pcmcia wireless ethernet cards, that
"work." Linksys WPC11 v4 wireless B card is recognized via XP drivers and 
ndis, as is the
Netgear WG511, also through XP drivers and ndis. I'm having a tough time 
getting the wireless
cards configured correctly with ifconfig. I believe that the problem is with 
the netmasks. Seems
like I read somewhere that 2 NIC's on the same machine connected to the same 
network may
not share the same netmask. One should be 255.255.255.0 and the other should 
be
255.255.255.255. sis driver support is built in to the kernel, GENERIC 
kernel from install, which
I will probably have to rebuild shortly. Not being able to kldunload the si 
and if_sis modules
keeps sis0 constantly in ifconfig. If I unplug the cable and try to run only 
a wireless card, it doesn't
seem to work correctly. ifconfig'ing ndis0 to a good ip and 255.255.255.0 
netmask says the
network is down when trying to ping the router. Using the 255.255.255.255 
netmask with ndis0,
pinging the router  leads to "ping: sendto: Host is down." However, the 
interesting thing is that
I get a message from arp, "io kernel: arp: 192.168.1.1 is on sis0 but got 
reply from
00:09:5b:dd:c4:f8 ( the router mac address) on ndis0." Although sis0 is not 
on the network, my
machine is acting like it since sis0 can be disabled, but the modules can't 
be unloaded. Here's my
point...

Would I be better off rebuilding a kernel with sis driver support not built 
in, but instead loading
the modules and ifconfig'ing only the interface I need at that point in 
time, and if I need to change,
just unload the modules I don't need, and load the ones I do, then ifconfig 
the new active
interface?

There may be a more elegant solution, and I'd be happy to hear them, or any 
links or man pages
that I probably overlooked.

Thanks much,
Josh 


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Hi,

I have an unusual problem I was hoping someone could help me with.  I have 
a FreeBSD 5.3 server that's been up for longer than a month.  In that 
period, everything seemed fine.  However, all of a sudden, I'm no longer 
able to spawn a shell in emacs.  In fact, I cannot start any process 
(shell, gdb, grep, compile) inside emacs.  It is happening to all the 
users, which makes me wonder if there's some OS-related issue in play 
here.

I've tried restarting emacs, bypassing the emacs startup file, 
reinstalling emacs, and just about everything I could think of short of 
restarting the server (don't want to do that until I'm physically 
present).

Any ideas or advice would be welcome.

Thanks!
Tony

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On Wednesday, 16 February 2005 at 17:20:24 -0800, Tony Tung wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I have an unusual problem I was hoping someone could help me with.  I have
> a FreeBSD 5.3 server that's been up for longer than a month.  In that
> period, everything seemed fine.  However, all of a sudden, I'm no longer
> able to spawn a shell in emacs.  In fact, I cannot start any process
> (shell, gdb, grep, compile) inside emacs.  It is happening to all the
> users, which makes me wonder if there's some OS-related issue in play
> here.
>
> I've tried restarting emacs, bypassing the emacs startup file,
> reinstalling emacs, and just about everything I could think of short of
> restarting the server (don't want to do that until I'm physically
> present).

It would be worth attaching a ktrace to the Emacs to see what it's
doing.  Something like this:

  $ ps aux | grep emacs
  root    12978  0.0  1.3 12880 9832  p5  R     8Oct04 222:09.31 emacs
  $ ktrace -i -p 12978
  (in Emacs, do your thing)
  $ ktrace -C -p 12978
  $ kdump | less

You should then look for a call to fork or execve and see what errors
are returned.

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> On Wednesday, 16 February 2005 at 17:20:24 -0800, Tony Tung wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I have an unusual problem I was hoping someone could help me with.  I have
>> a FreeBSD 5.3 server that's been up for longer than a month.  In that
>> period, everything seemed fine.  However, all of a sudden, I'm no longer
>> able to spawn a shell in emacs.  In fact, I cannot start any process
>> (shell, gdb, grep, compile) inside emacs.  It is happening to all the
>> users, which makes me wonder if there's some OS-related issue in play
>> here.
>>
>> I've tried restarting emacs, bypassing the emacs startup file,
>> reinstalling emacs, and just about everything I could think of short of
>> restarting the server (don't want to do that until I'm physically
>> present).
>
> It would be worth attaching a ktrace to the Emacs to see what it's
> doing.  Something like this:
>
>  $ ps aux | grep emacs
>  root    12978  0.0  1.3 12880 9832  p5  R     8Oct04 222:09.31 emacs
>  $ ktrace -i -p 12978
>  (in Emacs, do your thing)
>  $ ktrace -C -p 12978
>  $ kdump | less
>
> You should then look for a call to fork or execve and see what errors
> are returned.
>
> Greg

Hi,

Strangely enough, that seems to have fixed the problem.  Other users are 
seeing a return to "normal" behavior as well.

Thanks,
Tony

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On Wednesday, 16 February 2005 at 17:32:07 -0800, Tony Tung wrote:
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>> On Wednesday, 16 February 2005 at 17:20:24 -0800, Tony Tung wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have an unusual problem I was hoping someone could help me with.  I have
>>> a FreeBSD 5.3 server that's been up for longer than a month.  In that
>>> period, everything seemed fine.  However, all of a sudden, I'm no longer
>>> able to spawn a shell in emacs.  In fact, I cannot start any process
>>> (shell, gdb, grep, compile) inside emacs.  It is happening to all the
>>> users, which makes me wonder if there's some OS-related issue in play
>>> here.
>>>
>>> I've tried restarting emacs, bypassing the emacs startup file,
>>> reinstalling emacs, and just about everything I could think of short of
>>> restarting the server (don't want to do that until I'm physically
>>> present).
>>
>> It would be worth attaching a ktrace to the Emacs to see what it's
>> doing.  Something like this:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> You should then look for a call to fork or execve and see what errors
>> are returned.
>
> Strangely enough, that seems to have fixed the problem.  Other users are
> seeing a return to "normal" behavior as well.

That shouldn't have made any difference.  It was just to help you find
the problem.  Looks like it has escaped.

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>>Hi All:
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>>I was editing my rc.conf file and left off a quote mark, and now when I try 
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>>The default prompt is /bin/sh, and if I hit return I get a prompt.
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>>How can I edit the file while I'm in that prompt? VI doesn't work...is there 
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Or you could just simply:
# /bin/mv /etc/rc.conf /etc/rc.conf.bad
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This will give you a nice new rc.conf that you can edit once you are up 
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HTH
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I may have missed something from the thread before I joined the list,
but is there any reason you can't just mount the filesystems and use vi
as you're used to? If you're getting far enough in the boot process to
get an opportunity to interact with a shell, you should just be able to
mount -a and vi whatever. (Or, if you want to play it safe (or if the
system wasn't cleanly shutdown before), fsck and then mount -a)

Otherwise, Chris Hodgins' suggestion of mv'ing the old file out of the
way and echoing variables into a new one is probably what I'd do. I hate
ed.

On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 13:42, aklist_061666 wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> I was editing my rc.conf file and left off a quote mark, and now when
> I try to reboot I get an error and am prompted to drop into shell to
> fix it.
>
> The default prompt is /bin/sh, and if I hit return I get a prompt.
>
> How can I edit the file while I'm in that prompt? VI doesn't work...is
> there another text editor I can use to fix the file?

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I've managed to come up with something that works so far.  I am having
two problems though.

The first is that I can't authenticate for IMAP anymore.  No clue why,
it just keeps rejecting my password.  maillog shows imapd: LOGIN
FAILED, that's it.

Also, after enabling pf, all my UDP ports show as open.  I've got a ruleset of
block in log on $ext_if proto udp all

So all UDP ports should be shown as closed.  Doesn't really make any
sense to me.  Anyone care to help?

Thanks for the help so far.

Pat


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:26:37 +0100, Volker Kindermann  wrote:
> Hi Pat,
> 
> 
> > Is there any place I can find a good default ruleset for a server, and
> > just change what ports I want open?
> 
> pf originates at openbsd. There you'll find lots of documentation, the
> pf-faq, and the (as always in the BSD world) excellent manpages.
> 
> In addition there's the pf-repository at: https://solarflux.org/pf/
> 
> And there are some books which include examples.
> 
> 
> > Also, I've noticed that some rulesets will have different flags and
> > keep state on for certain TCP ports, but not others.  For example, at
> > https://www.section6.net/help/pf.php I found:
> > #WebServer, HTTPS, 8000
> > pass in on $extif proto tcp from any to any port 80 flags S/SA
> > pass in on $extif proto tcp from any to any port $tcp_services flags
> > S/SA synproxy state
> >
> > tcp_services is {22, 443}
> >
> > I don't understand why they use synproxy state for 22 and 443, but not 80
> 
> Because synproxy as a security feature has a drawback: speed. Do you
> understand what synproxy does? It completes the three-way-handshake at
> the firewall first and only if this succeds it forwards the connection
> to the (web)server. This takes some small amount of time.
> 
> Acceptable with protocolls like ssh and https but mostly unacceptable
> with http.
> 
>   -volker
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I've had Courier-IMAP working great with a MySQL database for over a
week now.  I just rebooted my machine for the first time, and now I
can't auth at all.  It just rejects every password, maillog says that
the login attempt failed every time.  I've got no idea at all why this
is happening.

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It turns out that the authlibmysql.so file wasn't there anymore...it
doesn't get deleted every time the machine reboots, does it?  That
wouldn't make any sense.


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:35:08 -0700, Pat Maddox  wrote:
> I've had Courier-IMAP working great with a MySQL database for over a
> week now.  I just rebooted my machine for the first time, and now I
> can't auth at all.  It just rejects every password, maillog says that
> the login attempt failed every time.  I've got no idea at all why this
> is happening.
>

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 11:41:16AM -0600, Chad Albert wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I recently set "hw.snd.pcm0.vchans=3D4" on a FreeBSD 5.3 box and now when
> I try to get festival to speak I just get silence.  I can play sound
> files with sox and if I copy a file to /dev/dsp I get noise as I would
> expect.  Festival worked before I turned on virtual channels but now I
> get nothing.  I have set festival's Audio_Method to freebsd16audio and
> that does not work.  When I set it to netaudio I get what sounds like
> "slow motion" speaking.  Has anyone seen/solved this before?
> =20

I'm not sure what your problem is. I have the same vchans setting and I
use nasd as output method. It works fine. I use mwm voice by default.
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On Wednesday 16 February 2005 06:10 pm, epilogue wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:17:09 -0600
>
> "Cody Holland"  wrote:
> > After running cvsup, I then ran portdb -Uu and received the
> > following error.
> >
> > Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please
> > wait..gnustep-slideshow-0.3: "/usr/ports/graphics/slideshowkit"
> > non-existent -- dependency list incomplete
> > ===> graphics/gnustep-slideshow failed
> > *** Error code 1
> > 1 error
> >
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > Stop in /usr/ports.
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > Stop in /usr/ports.
> > failed to generate INDEX!
> > portsdb: index generation error
> >
> > How do I fix this?
>
> hello cody,
>
> note:  this is not a fix, but an alternative:
>
> rather than building your copy of INDEX locally, you can
>
> 	cd /usr/ports && make fetchindex
>
> this will download a precompiled copy INDEX.  while this one is not
> guaranteed to *exactly* match your local tree (although it might), it
> is sufficiently fresh that you are not likely to bump into any INDEX
> related problems.  if i had to guess as to its reliability, i would
> say that it works 99.978592% of the time.
>
> this precompiled copy is rebuilt by the servers every 2 hours (or
> less), so if you ever do bump into a problem, you can just wait a bit
> and pull down a newer version (or build it locally).
>
> the advantage you ask?  well, downloading the INDEX takes only the
> time required for your connection to pull down a ~700 k file, whereas
> building INDEX locally usually takes 30-60 minutes, not to mention,
> quite a few CPU cycles.
>
> anyhoo.  food for thought.
>
>
> cheers,
> epi
>
Gee, I did that this morning - make fetchindex that is - and when I ran 
"portversion -vL=" I learned that 14 of the installed packages were to 
advanced and I needed to go backwards. I wonder when that INDEX-5 was 
built.

Three ways to get around it:
	1) rm -r /usr/ports/graphics/gnustep-slideshow
	Then run portdb

	2) There is an error in the Makefile, go in and fix it. It was reported
	on ports@

	3) Ignore it until it's fixed in a couple of days.

Don

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Read through the @reboot tag of cron.

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> questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Matt LaPlante
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> Right now I've got a server running FreeBSD 4.11.  My question is, is
> there a way to automatically run fsck on a system reboot, without
> having to go through the process of sitting at the computer, changing
> the run level, etc, etc. Clearly it's beneficial in a work environment
> to be able to wait till night hours to run such operations, but I
> personally have no desire to hang around the office until midnight
> just to run a file system check.  I know on any Windows machine this
> is easily accomplished by running chkdsk and answering "y" when it
> prompts if you want the system checked on the next reboot...you can go
> home, wait till midnight, and reboot the system, it will automatically
> check itself and come back online.  Can this be accomplished in
> FreeBSD?
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On 02/16/05 18:20:12, Andy Firman wrote:
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> I have a 5.3-stable system that I am trying to update.
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> This is my stable-supfile:
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> *default host=3Dcvsup14.us.FreeBSD.org
> *default base=3D/var/db
> *default prefix=3D/usr
> *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_5
> *default delete use-rel-suffix
> src-all
> ports-all tag=3D.
> doc-all tag=3D.
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> These are the 7 commands I do to update the system:
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> cvsup -g -L 2 stable-supfile
> cd /usr/src
> make buildworld
> make buildkernel
> make installkernel
> mergemaster
> make installworld
>

Do you really do that, or something like
make buildkernel KERNCONF=3DFUBAR
Also try to use mergemaster -p before you install, and after the build=20
(does it have to be after?).


> When I do the make buildkernel I get this:
>=20
> mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3D2 -ffreestanding
> -Werror
> /usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c
> /usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c: In function `ahc_alloc':
> /usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c:3854: error: `ahd' undeclared
> (first use in this function)
> /usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c:3854: error: (Each undeclared
> identifier is reported only
> once
> /usr/src/sys/dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c:3854: error: for each function it
> appears in.)
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC.
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop in /usr/src.
>=20
>=20
> I noticed during the cvsup some aic7xxx stuff was pulled down.
>=20
> Is this question for the current or ports list?
>

Current or questions.  You may have a bad file(corrupted), bad memory, =20
a choice of cvsup server?

What are your make.conf options?  If make.conf is generic I would =20
delete /usr/src/sys/dev, maybe /usr/src/* if there are other problem =20
areas.  Do you always get random errors, or is it in the same spot?  If =20
it fails randomly you may have a hardware problem.

BTW, do you really what a generic kernel? =20

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Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. I 
spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 Desktop.  
Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have Nvidia video 
card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild kernel to make 
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On Wednesday, 16 February 2005 at 23:25:05 -0600, Dmitri Furman wrote:
> Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. I
> spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 Desktop.
> Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have Nvidia video
> card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild kernel to make
> Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run in 1024x768 mode but picture is
> really grainy.  I specified depth at 24 and also tried 32.  I have a 15"
> Flat Panel monitor.  If anyone had any luck or has some pointers on what I
> have to do to resolve grainy colors problem please let me know what I need
> to do.  Thank you.

How about posting a screen shot somewhere?  It's not very clear what
you mean here.

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Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes:

> How about posting a screen shot somewhere?  It's not very clear what
> you mean here.

It sounds like 256-color mode and/or dithering of colors.  That
shouldn't be necessary at 16-bit color or beyond, though.

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On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 09:44:51AM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
=20
> Recall that there are no real hardware RAID controllers on the
> market.  The difference is whether you have a special processor on the
> controller card or not.  To determine which is faster, you need to
> compare the hardware on the card and the hardware in the system.


If I understand the DPT manual correctly:
My cards have a motorola 68000-based cpu. The "faster" smartraid cards have
motorola 68020-based cpus as well as much larger cache. My card has a max
transaction rate of 20MHz. It sends 2bytes down the wire per clockcycle (SC=
SI
DDR? LOL) so it has a max througput of 40Mbps.

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Hi!

Has anyone encountered the following error.  I'm using Freebsd 5.3.

daffy# portsdb -Uu
Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please 
wait..gnustep-slideshow-0.3: "/usr/ports/graphics/slideshowkit" 
non-existent -- dependency list incomplete
===> graphics/gnustep-slideshow failed
*** Error code 1
1 error

Here's my cvsup.conf:

*default tag=.
*default release=cvs
*default host=cvsup5.freebsd.org
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
*default use-rel-suffix
*default compress
*default delete
src-all
*default tag=.
ports-all


Been googling around but can't seem to find the solution.

thanks,
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=0D=0AUsing scp without password (identy.pub authorized.key)

in cron
user1@A$> scp ./files user@b:/home/user/files

all work but
i need only secure copy, but must give full user shell to user user1@A
on host B. if attaker take control of A, he can shell to user@b

setting /sbin/nologin to shell user@B- scp not work

what can i do to reduce permission user@b




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>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:02:02 -0600, 
>>>>> Jamie Novak  said:

 > I may have missed something from the thread before I joined the list,
 > but is there any reason you can't just mount the filesystems and use vi
 > as you're used to? If you're getting far enough in the boot process to
 > get an opportunity to interact with a shell, you should just be able to
 > mount -a and vi whatever. (Or, if you want to play it safe (or if the
 > system wasn't cleanly shutdown before), fsck and then mount -a)

This should work fine. Although, depending on where he is in the boot
process, / may be mounted read-only.  Do `mount -uw /' to make it
read-write.

The lesson here is that when editing any file that is even remotely
connected to the boot process, _make_a_backup_copy_.  You can then
simply mv the backup copy back into place should you mess up.

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Here there , i have written my first FreeBSD article ,
on installing FreeBSD Installation. 
mind having a look on it ? & correcting if i did
anything wrong ?
also please send me any good easy for newbies to
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Hi,

The current setup include two locations -  main office and a remote location.
The main office have the internet connection (optical fibre). The
remote location is connected to the main office using a vpn (main
office - FreeBSD with IPsec and racoon; remote location Linksys router
BEFVP41, connected to a radio modem). So far, so good.
The contract is with a small provider, actually just a dealer of a
bigger one. Until now the big one has managed the bandwith, but this
has to be changed.
The dealer is using pptp to manage the clients sitting on the optical
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Any suggestions?

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:18:40 -0500, ANISH MISTRY wrote
> Do you have your resolv.conf and hosts file setup correctly in the 
> jail?  I had the same problem yesterday when I moved my jailed 
> system to a new network.

Or you can just ssh to your host machine and execute the following command:

jexec  /path/to/your/shell

Cheers,

Jorn

> 
> --
> Anish Mistry
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: musikcom@ngs.ru
> Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:35 am
> Subject: Trouble with sshd in jail
> 
> > I have some trouble with sshd in jail. This is description 
> > of the problem:
> > 
> > I have host system based on FreeBSD 5.1 Release with IP 
> > 161.66.11.1 Futher I do these steps for creating jail on 
> > host system:
> > 
> > cd /usr/src
> > mkdir -p /jail
> > make world DESTDIR=/jail
> > cd etc
> > make distribution DESTDIR=/jail
> > mount_devfs devfs /jail/dev
> > cd /jail
> > ln -sf dev/null kernel
> > 
> > OK. That's easy. Next step I edit /etc/rc.conf by 
> > adding/editing some lines:
> > 
> > sendmail_enable="NO"
> > sshd_enable="YES"
> > syslogd_flags="-ss"
> > 
> > and /etc/ssh/sshd_config :
> > 
> > ListenAddress 161.66.11.1
> > 
> > OK. I do #sockstat and get only:
> > 
> > root   sendmail   361   4   tcp4   127.0.0.1:25    *:*
> > root   sshd       355   3   tcp4   161.66.11.2:22  *:*
> > 
> > After this doing alias for jail:
> > 
> > #ifconfig em0 alias 161.66.11.2
> > 
> > Then I start jail:
> > 
> > #jail /jail testhost 161.66.11.2 /bin/sh /etc/rc
> > 
> > Two problems: then jail startup, the message "Starting 
> > sshd..." stops for 10 min. That's one. Then booting 
> > proccess continies and finish successfull. Second problem 
> > is when I try to connect to jail (161.66.11.2) with ssh 
> > client.
> > ---Connect 161.66.11.2...
> > ---Login as: root
> > AND STOPS!!! For 7-10 min. Than "password" field appears, 
> > but I have wait so much time...
> > 
> > That's the problem. Please, help if you can!
> > Thank you!!!
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
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> > 
> > 
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Hi list,

I have run into an annoying problem several times when upgrading ports.

Say, if i want to upgrade gstreamer-plugins, i do:

# cd /usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer-plugins
# make

This pulls in some dependencies, for example gnomevfs2. gnnomevfs2 will 
compile fine, but then stops because it wants to install gnomevfs2 
instead of reinstalling it:

===>   An older version of devel/gnomevfs2 is already installed 
(gnomevfs2-2.9.91)
       You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
       by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
       If you really wish to overwrite the old port of devel/gnomevfs2
       without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER"
       in your environment or the "make install" command line.
*** Error code 1

Since i have run into this several times, i must be missing something 
substantial. What is it?

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Hi,

>From the keyboard of ???????????? ??????, written on Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 11:42:11AM +0300:
> i need only secure copy, but must give full user shell to user user1@A
> on host B. if attaker take control of A, he can shell to user@b
> 
> setting /sbin/nologin to shell user@B- scp not work
> 
> what can i do to reduce permission user@b

You can use rssh from the ports:
$ cat /usr/ports/shells/rssh/pkg-descr 
rssh is a Restricted Secure SHell that allow only the use of sftp or scp.
It could be use when you need an account (and a valid shell) in order to
execute sftp or scp but when you don't want to give the possibility to log
in to this user.

WWW: http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/index.shtml

- enigmatyc
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Hi

Subj from CVS (with vlan support), FreeBSD 4.8-p16, 4.9-p3 and 5.3-Stable.

I installed Subj on the two my routers and noticed that it does not work as 
should. I investigated the problem and discovered the following: vrrpd use 
the different destination MAC addresses for sending  VRRPv2 Advertisement.

tcpdump -eni fxp0 vrrp:

00:00:5e:00:01:16 > 01:00:5e:41:40:02, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 60: 
IP x.x.x.254 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 22, prio 255, 
authtype simple, intvl 1s, length 24

tcpdump -eni fxp1 vrrp:

00:00:5e:00:01:15 > 01:00:5e:00:00:12, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 62: 
IP 172.17.0.254 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 21, prio 255, 
authtype simple, intvl 1s, length 28

BTW, 01:00:5e:00:00:12 is determined as IETF-VRRP by ethereal,  but 
01:00:5e:41:40:02 does not known for it.

It seems that freevrrpd daemon does not receive such broadcast packets and 
this is why fxp0 works in the master mode on both routers. I found how to 
fix this. I run 'ifconfig fxp0 promisc' I get one master and one backup.

Does anybody meet the similar problem? Where I can find any information 
about processing MACs like above by kernel? Why 01:00:5e:41:40:02 does not 
delivered to freevrrpd and 01:00:5e:00:00:12 does?

Regards
-- 
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:53:50 +0100, Chris Zumbrunn  wrote:
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> Don't you think this Beastie qualifies as a professional logo?
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> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif
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as a side note - whats teh licence / use policy of your designs you
have been posting links to on FreeBSD related materials?

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On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:23 +0200, Simonas Kareiva wrote:

[...]
> 
> The problem is, that the nfs server hangs after running for a while,
> like, 20 minutes. Any file operations (at the nfs mount points and
> below) hang on the ftp server too, making it inaccessible.

I'm having the same problem here, also with 5.3 but in my case with
rsync. Oddly, the hang often happens at exactly the same point in a file
hierarchy and I initially suspected a problem with some specific files,
then with certain file types (it always seemed to hang when copying
pdfs). But it now seems to be more general than that. In fact, even
periods of inactivity can cause the nfs mount on the client to time out.

>  The nfsd
> processes on the nfs server do not respond to any signals sent by
> `kill`, so only a reboot of the system is a temporary solution.

I've found that a forced umount of the nfs mount on the client also
eradicates these processes.

>  We
> have ACPI enabled, NMBCLUSTERS set to 65535, SMP, debug.mpsafenet=0
> and also some kern.ipc.* customizations which, as we assume, do not
> affect the behavior of nfsd. Everything is served via 3COM 3C940
> single port, 1000baseT adapter (device sk). The whole dmesg is
> available at http://webart.lt/~molotov/dmesg

I'm having this problem on a stock system, so doubt that your
customisations are to blame.

I'm on the point of filing a pr - just trying to establish how easy it
is to reproduce the problem. 

Peter.

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As a newbie I can create a new FreeBSD UFS partition/slice by means of 
sysinstall (by the way, I installed freeBSD 5.3).
Now recently I freed some partitions devoted to M$ Windows (at last!) and I 
want to transform them into UFS partitions.

How can I do it from a console?
Could you point me to an explanatory web-page I was unable to find googling?

A step by step explanation would be highly apptreciated.

Ciao
Vittorio

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you're in the wrong way... to update all your ports you must use portupgrade 
from ports, but if you are sure what u'r doing simply add 
FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=yes in your /etc/make.conf but after time you could have 
some trouble in your PKGDB

bye Davide

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi list,
>
> I have run into an annoying problem several times when upgrading ports.
>
> Say, if i want to upgrade gstreamer-plugins, i do:
>
> # cd /usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer-plugins
> # make
>
> This pulls in some dependencies, for example gnomevfs2. gnnomevfs2 will 
> compile fine, but then stops because it wants to install gnomevfs2 instead 
> of reinstalling it:
>
> ===>   An older version of devel/gnomevfs2 is already installed 
> (gnomevfs2-2.9.91)
>       You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
>       by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
>       If you really wish to overwrite the old port of devel/gnomevfs2
>       without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER"
>       in your environment or the "make install" command line.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Since i have run into this several times, i must be missing something 
> substantial. What is it?
>
> Regards,
> -- 
>
> Heinrich Rebehn
>
> University of Bremen
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Peter Risdon wrote:

> On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:23 +0200, Simonas Kareiva wrote:
> 
> [...]
> > 
> > The problem is, that the nfs server hangs after running for a while,
> > like, 20 minutes. Any file operations (at the nfs mount points and
> > below) hang on the ftp server too, making it inaccessible.
> 
> I'm having the same problem here, also with 5.3 but in my case with
> rsync. Oddly, the hang often happens at exactly the same point in a file
> hierarchy and I initially suspected a problem with some specific files,
> then with certain file types (it always seemed to hang when copying
> pdfs). But it now seems to be more general than that. In fact, even
> periods of inactivity can cause the nfs mount on the client to time out.

If you do a "ps axl | grep nfsd", what wait channel is shown for the nfsd
that's wedged?  If you compile your kernel with "options DDB", "options
KDB", and "options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER", wait for the problem to occur,
break into the debugger using ctrl-alt-escape or a serial break on serial
console, "trace pid" the process, and type "continue" to get out of the
debugger, could you send me the output of the stack trace for the nfsd
process? 

Robert N M Watson

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How can I boost my mic? When I use my mic with skype my frend complaits 
my voice is so quiet? In windows I have to use mic boost options.

 From dmesg:
pcm0:  port 0xd800-0xd87f,0xd400-0xd4ff mem 
0xe0000000-0xe0000fff irq 9 at device 6.0 on pci0
pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
pcm0: 

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I just had a scamper to recover a FreeBSD 5.2 server (Dell Poweredge 
rack mount server, 1 GB RAM twin Gig Ethernet).

The only bit that's not right now is that every time we run ifconfig, 
it has a segmentation fault and dumps core.

Example:


 > ifconfig -a
em0: flags=8802 mtu 1500
         options=3
         ether 00:c0:9f:39:f4:e8
         media: Ethernet autoselect
         status: no carrier
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
 >

You can specify a particular interface, that reports correctly, and 
then dumps core.

Anyone seen anything like this? Any hints gladly received. 

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Kara Chapman wrote:

> Thanks for your help -- that seems to have fixed the problem. You
> mentioned that it was only a temporary fix, so what do you suggest doing
> now? Is this a bug that I should report? 

FYI, the error below is probably not causing actual problems, but we
should work to track don the source of the error.  If possible, could you
try running with the attached patch to uipc_syscalls.c and see if you get
kernel printf output associated with the error?  What I'd like to do is
figure out what the particular source of the EINVAL is, since there are
several possible sources. 

Thanks!

Robert N M Watson

Index: uipc_syscalls.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/uipc_syscalls.c,v
retrieving revision 1.200.2.3
diff -u -r1.200.2.3 uipc_syscalls.c
--- uipc_syscalls.c	31 Jan 2005 23:26:18 -0000	1.200.2.3
+++ uipc_syscalls.c	17 Feb 2005 12:14:55 -0000
@@ -347,6 +347,7 @@
 		error = head->so_error;
 		head->so_error = 0;
 		ACCEPT_UNLOCK();
+		printf("accept: head->so_error %d\n", error);
 		goto noconnection;
 	}
 	so = TAILQ_FIRST(&head->so_comp);

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On Thursday 17 February 2005 07:08 am, Vittorio wrote:
> As a newbie I can create a new FreeBSD UFS partition/slice by means
> of sysinstall (by the way, I installed freeBSD 5.3).
> Now recently I freed some partitions devoted to M$ Windows (at last!)
> and I want to transform them into UFS partitions.
>
> How can I do it from a console?
> Could you point me to an explanatory web-page I was unable to find
> googling?
>
> A step by step explanation would be highly apptreciated.
>
> Ciao
> Vittorio

Good news:  You can still use sysinstall from the console after 
installation.  As root, execute '/stand/sysinstall'.  Select 'Index' 
from the menu.  From there you can select various administrative tasks, 
including the creating partitions and disklabel-ing.

Note:  When you created slices and using disklabel during installation, 
you entered 'q' to quit rather than 'w' for write.  When doing these 
tasks post-installation, you will need to use 'w' for write.  
Therefore, be very careful of the changes you make prior to pressing 
'w'.

Have fun,

Andrew Gould

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On Thursday 17 February 2005 07:08 am, Vittorio wrote:
> As a newbie I can create a new FreeBSD UFS partition/slice by means
> of sysinstall (by the way, I installed freeBSD 5.3).
> Now recently I freed some partitions devoted to M$ Windows (at last!)
> and I want to transform them into UFS partitions.
>
> How can I do it from a console?
> Could you point me to an explanatory web-page I was unable to find
> googling?
>
> A step by step explanation would be highly apptreciated.
>
> Ciao
> Vittorio

Question to list:

If the administrator uses /stand/sysinstall to replace a Windows 
partition that exists in front of the FreeBSD system partition with a 
UFS partition, will this rename the system partition and break the 
bootup process?

Andrew Gould

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Andy Holyer wrote:
> I just had a scamper to recover a FreeBSD 5.2 server (Dell Poweredge 
> rack mount server, 1 GB RAM twin Gig Ethernet).
> 
> The only bit that's not right now is that every time we run ifconfig, it 
> has a segmentation fault and dumps core.
> 
> Example:
>
>  > ifconfig -a
> em0: flags=8802 mtu 1500
>         options=3
>         ether 00:c0:9f:39:f4:e8
>         media: Ethernet autoselect
>         status: no carrier
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>  >
> 
> You can specify a particular interface, that reports correctly, and then 
> dumps core.
> 
> Anyone seen anything like this? Any hints gladly received.

I have seen something similar, except it only coredumped when run with 
no options or -a. I updated my sources and rebuildt world and the 
problem disappeared.

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> Good news:  You can still use sysinstall from the console after=20
> installation.  As root, execute '/stand/sysinstall'.

Please use /usr/sbin/sysinstall instead.

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> partition that exists in front of the FreeBSD system partition with a=20
> UFS partition, will this rename the system partition and break the=20
> bootup process?

Yes.

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> "Andrew L. Gould"  writes:
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> > partition that exists in front of the FreeBSD system partition with a=20
> > UFS partition, will this rename the system partition and break the=20
> > bootup process?
> Yes.

Umm, or rather: in 5.x it shouldn't, in 4.x it may.  GEOM (used in 5.x
but not in 4.x) killed off the "compatibility slice" which would lead
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I've never had much trouble getting NIS to work before.  Can
anyone make any debugging suggestions? ...

My machine: 5.3-STABLE (makeworld update from 5.1 orig circa early
Jan 05.)

NIS actually seems to be working fine...

gila# ypcat -k passwd | grep tomh
tomh tomh:$1$hZ...UK/:1012:500:Tom Huppi:/home/tomh:/bin/tcsh

Also:

 - /etc/shells exists and has /bin/tcsh
 - /bin/tcsh exists
 - no other 'tomh' user or 1012 uid in local passwd file
 - home dir automounts fine when I cd to it.

I've tried various things with /etc/nsswitch.conf, and the latest
is:

 ...
 group: compat
 group_compat: nis
 ...
 passwd: compat
 passwd_compat: nis
 ...

while I adjust my passwd file with 'vipw' making the last line:
  +:::::::::
which generates an /etc/password tail of:
  +:*:::::
(I've tried this w/ and w/o the '*')
with /etc/groups similar.

I also tried
  passwd: files nis
  passwd_compat:
with and without the trailing +::... to no avail.

Always I get a 'login incorrect' message and nothing of any real
interest in the /var/log/messages.  Is there somewhere else to
look for debug?  I tried fooling with /etc/pam.d/passwd (to turn
on debugging) but it had no effect which I could see.  I'm really
not sure if I'm even using pam or what?

It is interesting to note that I can generate another hash for
another user locally with the same password and I get a different
hash (which also starts out $1$ meaning MD5 I guess.)  In fact, I
never get the same hash even when I use the same password it
seems?!

The NIS server is a FreeBSD box, but I don't have access to see
what exactly (though I know it to be 5.x)  It serves many
Fedora-II boxes just fine, and they have 'files nis' in their
nsswich.conf.

I've also tried adding an entry in my local passwd file which is
identical to what is served out with no joy.

I'm at my wits end here.  I've x-checked all of the problems I
could find referenced in google searches.  I see some references
about a 'gradual migration' to pam (specifically in the
/etc/auth.conf file), but I don't know what stage that is in, and
what it entails.  If any one has any tips, ideas, or suggestions,
I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,

 - Tom




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> > Does anything work *without* the firewall?
> 
> Yes, before I started messing with the firewall I had squid
> set up, I set up FreeBSD as a gateway and also as a DNS
> server. I could acces the WWW, ftp, telnet and all the
> other services at will, inside and outside my home LAN.

Try temporarily setting the firewall to just pass everything
("ipfw add 1 allow ip from any to any") and see if you can still get
out through it.  I'm guessing something else may be messed up now.

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P=E1sztor Rich=E1rd  writes:

> I have 2 small problems about installing FreeBSD.
> 1) My HDD is a 8,4 Gb quantum, which has 1 bad sector laying on it
> somewhere. I created ntfs partition
> on it, and format detected that sector, and marked as bad so there was
> no problem of data loss because writing
> to that sector. Now, if i fdisk the whole HDD to a freebsd slice, and
> divide it to partitions i get an error during
> filesystem creation, that a bad sector was detected. The system
> panics, and reboots after 15 sec.
> My question: why isnt the UFS able to mark this/these sectors as bad,
> and simply not to use them?
> Throwing panic for one single bad sector is not an elegant way.

See the entry in the FreeBSD FAQ titled "What do I do when I have bad
blocks on my hard drive?"=20=20

The short answer, though, is that for years now, all drives can do
internal remapping of bad sectors.  The OS doesn't see any bad sectors
until the internal remapping tables are full, which means that *many*
sectors are bad, and disk failure is imminent.

> 2) My other smaller question: If i enabled SoftUpdates at install-time fo=
r "/"
> but changed my mind, how can i turn it off ? I cant unmount "/" to change=
 it,
> because its always busy (the other partitions can be unmounted easily
> in single user)

You should be able to mount it read-only and change it then, no?

> I think these are basic problems, and should be (especially turning
> OFF softupdate on "/") mentioned in handbook also.

You can submit such changes as easily as anyone else...

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I Am new to unix so I am learning how to use it, but i want to know how =
to talk to someone. I already used the man pages but i just don't get =
it. can you show me an example of how to talk to someone hat is logged =
in. thanks

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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> 


>>Only my personal experience.  In addition to not being
>>comfortable with
>>the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my
>>Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and
>>thus The Devil.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Man, you must have a hell of a lot of fun with these people.  What
> do they do when you start citing biblical verses that blow the
> crap out of their preconceptions?
> 
> Ted
> 

I learned years ago that it is a waste of time.  They just say it 
doesn't apply because .

And I thought the Ouija-board mouse pad was one of the funniest things 
I've ever seen.

- Bob

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:07:43PM -0800, monchis typed:
> I Am new to unix so I am learning how to use it, but i want to know how to talk to someone. I already used the man pages but i just don't get it. can you show me an example of how to talk to someone hat is logged in. thanks

You'll have to enable the talk daemon in /etc/inetd.conf like so:

$ grep ntalk /etc/inetd.conf
# ntalk is required for the 'talk' utility to work correctly
ntalk dgram udp wait tty:tty /usr/libexec/ntalkd ntalkd
$

Ruben

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>>> Only my personal experience.  In addition to not being
>>> comfortable with
>>> the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my
>>> Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and
>>> thus The Devil.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Man, you must have a hell of a lot of fun with these people.  What
>> do they do when you start citing biblical verses that blow the
>> crap out of their preconceptions?
>>
>> Ted
>>
>
> I learned years ago that it is a waste of time.  They just say it 
> doesn't apply because .
>
> And I thought the Ouija-board mouse pad was one of the funniest things 
> I've ever seen.
>
> - Bob

As an aside to this, I for one know plenty of good, decent, "religious" 
people who are quite content to live their lives according to their own 
beliefs without insisting on forcing those beliefs on others. Of course, 
if you ask them, they'll talk about it with you, but they will not 
insist that you live your life a certain way simply because they are 
present. Just because your own experience includes interaction with a 
few overbearing religious people, please do not be so quick to judge 
what is, for the most part, a peace-loving community. Unfortunately it's 
usually the loud, overbearing, fire and brimstone kind of people who get 
all the religious publicity and misrepresent what most of the religious 
community stands for.

- Jordan

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Hey everyone,

I have a strange problem on my hands.  I have a mail server running 
qmail and vpopmail, and FreeBSD 4.2.  The machine does decent volume.  
Periodically the machine will just go deaf to network connections for 
15 - 20 minutes at a time.  When this happens, both the link light on 
the machine and the link light on the switch go amber.  I've tried to 
troubleshoot this from every angle.  I've checked the settings on the 
switch (they're fine).  In fact, when this problem happens, the switch 
isn't reporting any errors on the port.  I've swapped ethernet cables, 
put the machine on another switch, and swapped ethernet cards, all to 
no avail.

There are no error entries in any of my log files that I can see.  It 
seems like a hardware issue to me, but the problem occurs with both of 
the machine's ethernet cards, which are in different PCI slots.

It also doesn't look like any sort of flood attack, as far as I can 
tell.  I'm totally stumped.  Is there anything in FreeBSD that I should 
be checking?

Thanks

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I think kern.ipc.nmbclusters is a kernel setting in 4.11 not loader.conf

Chris


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> 
> I installed freebsd 4.11 in amd64 machine.
> 
> but I can't set kern.ipc.nmbclusters in loader.conf
> 
> It reboots automatically!
> 
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> 
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   I give up.
               I dont how in hell did this mistake, but i reinstall
again Freebsd. Thanks Lowell Gilbert for your message.


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:34:05 -0800, perikillo  wrote:
>    Yes, i check, the /root /.* but they looks correct, i check the
> propierties and attr of that directory and files, but they look
> correct. I dont know what more to check :-?
> 
>     Another error i found is went i try to see a manpage the system
> send this error:
> 
> mistake# man ls
> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1  "/usr/lib/libz.so.2"
> 
>    That cannot find that library, i check those files and they exist,
> maybe went i was reparin my system i broke the link, could i repair
> this???
> 
>    If i make the makeworld again could be fixed????
> 
>    Thanks.
> 
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:14:02 -0800 (PST), Lowell Gilbert
>  wrote:
> > perikillo  writes:
> >
> > >   Hi all.
> > >       Look i was hardering my freebsd box 4.10 p5, but i made one mistake:
> > >                             "I didnt test my system before i reboot"
> > >
> > >   I was reading some docs about "security", i use chflags on:
> > >
> > >   mistake# chflags schg /bin/*
> > >   mistake# chflags schg /sbin/*
> > >
> > >   Them apply some chmod on /root files:
> > >
> > >    mistake# chmod 0600 /root/.*  (i think :-?)
> > >
> > >   I was trying to make my root directory only visible by root user.
> > > But dont remenber wich mod i apply. I made more changes but dont
> > > remember all.
> > >
> > >     The result was that went i try to access my box like normal user
> > > (wheel group), the systema say:
> > >                           "error: cannot find root directory"
> > >
> > >    Them i boot single-user, i input my password:
> > >
> > >                                  "init: single-user failed"
> > >
> > >     Here i could not access my system, my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >   Ok, them get my 3 floppys, kern, mfs, and fixit .flp. I mount / to
> > > access  my system:
> > >
> > >    -delete the schg label on /bin and /sbin
> > >     mistake#chflags noschg /bin/*
> > >     mistake#chflags noschg /sbin/*
> > >
> > >      On the root directory, i change my .files attr:
> > >
> > > mistake# chmod 0644 /root/.*
> > >
> > >     I change my ttys, to let root access the system: from insecure -> secure.
> > >
> > >     I was checking other system with the same version 4.10 p5, and let
> > > the files attributes on /root and / with the same attributes.
> > >
> > >      I dont touch the /kernel file, after this change root could
> > > access the system, but the other users dont have access:
> > >
> > >                                 "error: cannot find root directory".
> > >
> > >      This is my situation right now, could some one give some clues to
> > > resolve this problem,  i dont want to install again the S.O, this
> > > machine i working very well.
> > >
> > >    I will apreciate any  clue. Thanks all for your time.
> >
> > Check the permissions on "/.".
> >
>

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Dmitri Furman wrote:
> Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. 
> I spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 
> Desktop.  Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have 
> Nvidia video card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild 
> kernel to make Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run in 1024x768 mode 
> but picture is really grainy.  I specified depth at 24 and also tried 
> 32.  I have a 15" Flat Panel monitor.  If anyone had any luck or has 
> some pointers on what I have to do to resolve grainy colors problem 
> please let me know what I need to do.  Thank you.

Is 1024x768 the "native" resolution of your flat panel? My 
experience with LCDs is that any deviation from the OEM's 
recommended resolution is likely to result in an ugly display.

The more expensive the panel is, the better it is likely to look at 
alternate resolutions, but generally "there can be only one" with 
regard to best image quality.

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Am Mittwoch, 16. Februar 2005 16:35 schrieb musikcom@ngs.ru:
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> Then I start jail:
>
> #jail /jail testhost 161.66.11.2 /bin/sh /etc/rc
>
> Two problems: then jail startup, the message "Starting
> sshd..." stops for 10 min. That's one. Then booting

This is because the sshd startupscript generates keypairs if they are missi=
ng.=20
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timeout even on a fast machine.

> proccess continies and finish successfull. Second problem
> is when I try to connect to jail (161.66.11.2) with ssh
> client.
> ---Connect 161.66.11.2...
> ---Login as: root
> AND STOPS!!! For 7-10 min. Than "password" field appears,
> but I have wait so much time...

This is because sshd tries to resolve addresses of connected hosts.
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On Feb 17, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Sander Vesik wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:53:50 +0100, Chris Zumbrunn  
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>> Don't you think this Beastie qualifies as a professional logo?
>>
>> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/beastie.gif
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> as a side note - whats teh licence / use policy of your designs you
> have been posting links to on FreeBSD related materials?

As far as I'm concerned, "the Beastie silhouette" can be used as long 
as it is BSD related. Existing restrictions similar to those for "the 
BSD Daemon" ( http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/mainpage/copyright.html ) 
may apply, I'll have to talk to McKusick about that. In other words, 
for now you'll have to ask me before you can use it. The word FreeBSD, 
of course, is a registered trademark of the FreeBSD foundation.

I'll contact McKusick about that...

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>>I Am new to unix so I am learning how to use it, but i want to know how to talk to someone. I already used the man pages but i just don't get it. can you show me an example of how to talk to someone hat is logged in. thanks
> 
> 
> You'll have to enable the talk daemon in /etc/inetd.conf like so:
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> $ grep ntalk /etc/inetd.conf
> # ntalk is required for the 'talk' utility to work correctly
> ntalk dgram udp wait tty:tty /usr/libexec/ntalkd ntalkd
> $

Then, # /etc/rc.d/inetd restart

and you're ready to use the talk utility.

enable inetd in /etc/rc.conf with the line:
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Hi all ! 
The version of my current system is 4.7, and I want to upgrade the system to 4.11.From the description of "UPDATING" in /usr/src, I know that I have alternatives among severval stable versions. But how can I specify the right version which I want the system upgraded to?
If I want my fb upgraded to 4.10, what can I do?
As far as I know, the handbook does not mention things like this. So I turn to you guys for help.
 
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windlamf wrote:
> Hi all ! 
> The version of my current system is 4.7, and I want to upgrade the system to 4.11.From the description of "UPDATING" in /usr/src, I know that I have alternatives among severval stable versions. But how can I specify the right version which I want the system upgraded to?
> If I want my fb upgraded to 4.10, what can I do?

put this to your supfile:
*default tag=RELENG_4_10

then run
# cvsup supfile


> As far as I know, the handbook does not mention things like this. So I turn to you guys for help.
>  
> Thanks
> Andy
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Thank you Greg.  Yes it is native resolution for the display.  This is what 
I run Windows on.  It is also using 60 Hz for refresh rate.

>From: Greg Barniskis 
>To: Dmitri Furman 
>CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:02:01 -0600
>
>Dmitri Furman wrote:
>>Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. I 
>>spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 
>>Desktop.  Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have 
>>Nvidia video card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild 
>>kernel to make Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run in 1024x768 mode but 
>>picture is really grainy.  I specified depth at 24 and also tried 32.  I 
>>have a 15" Flat Panel monitor.  If anyone had any luck or has some 
>>pointers on what I have to do to resolve grainy colors problem please let 
>>me know what I need to do.  Thank you.
>
>Is 1024x768 the "native" resolution of your flat panel? My experience with 
>LCDs is that any deviation from the OEM's recommended resolution is likely 
>to result in an ugly display.
>
>The more expensive the panel is, the better it is likely to look at 
>alternate resolutions, but generally "there can be only one" with regard to 
>best image quality.
>
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windlamf wrote:
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> The version of my current system is 4.7, and I want to upgrade the system=
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ht version which I want the system upgraded to?
> If I want my fb upgraded to 4.10, what can I do?
> As far as I know, the handbook does not mention things like this. So I tu=
rn to you guys for help.

The handbook elaborates quite verbosely on this:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html

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Windlamf,

Also see chapter 25... 

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windlamf wrote:
> Hi all !
> The version of my current system is 4.7, and I want to upgrade the
system to 4.11.From the description of "UPDATING" in /usr/src, I know
that I have alternatives among severval stable versions. But how can I
specify the right version which I want the system upgraded to?
> If I want my fb upgraded to 4.10, what can I do?
> As far as I know, the handbook does not mention things like this. So I
turn to you guys for help.

The handbook elaborates quite verbosely on this:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.h
tml

Simon

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:25:05 -0600, "Dmitri Furman"
 wrote:

> Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. I 
> spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 Desktop.  
> Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have Nvidia video 
> card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild kernel to make 
> Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run in 1024x768 mode but picture is really 
> grainy.  I specified depth at 24 and also tried 32.  I have a 15" Flat Panel 
> monitor.  If anyone had any luck or has some pointers on what I have to do 
> to resolve grainy colors problem please let me know what I need to do.  

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "grainy," but I do know that
with flat panel monitors you get the crispest display when you run X at
the native resolution of the flat panel monitor.  If you run it at some
other (lower) resolution, the results can be somewhat blurry, IMHO, as
the lower resolution is being mapped onto the higher native resolution
(and sometimes at a different aspect ratio).

So, a fix would be to determine the native resolution of your flat panel
display and to use that (adjusting font sizes, etc. as needed).  In my
case, I was running a Sony 19" CRT monitor at 1152x864 and replaced the
Sony with a flat panel display.  The picture looked a bit fuzzy until I
switched to using the native 1280x1024 resolution of the flat panel, at
which point the picture quality improved dramatically.

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my disk has the following geometry:
   9729 cyl/255 head/64 sectors

when i used fdisk from linux, i got a warning that 
cyl is > 1024 which may not work correctly with 
fdisk of win and os/2. is this the case with freebsd ?

thanks
sajith

----------------
i did create the slices using default option (A)
and partions using default option (A).

now i see the following problem:

"mounting error /mnt/dev/ad0s1f on /mnt/usr :
Input/output error"

i think it is the problem with the disk geometry 
i don't know what. i have a 80GB disk, and i tried 
changing the mode from LBA to NORMAL to LARGE in the 
BIOS setting but it didn't help. /usr is the the
last partition in the default list of partiontions.

thanks in advance for your time

sajith

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> Sajith K  writes:
> 
> > When I tried to install freebsd 5.3 in a PIII
> machine
> > with 80GB hard disk I get the following error:
> > 
> > "Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in
> /dev!"
> > "The creation of filesystems will be aborted"
> > 
> > Could some one help me out ?
> 
> Sounds like you forgot to allocate (and commit) the
> slices before you
> tried to create the partitions...
> 




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Do I need to have a *_enable="YES" line in my rc.conf in order to start my
courier-imap-pop3 and courier-imap-imap servers? Or do I have to enable
inetd?

I have been pulling my hair out for weeks trying to setup my first mail
server using how toos from high5.net and workaround.org.

I have tried to look in /var/log for any log files that could indicate why
I can not pick up mail. But I don't see any log files at all so I suspect
they are not running. The server accepts mail fine I just can't pick it
up. I don’t know if it matters but I am trying to setup virtual domains
with no local system accounts. Including the domain of the computer it’s
self. Does that affect anything? Again I can accept e-mail fine so I don’t
expect it does.

I can't figure out if courier is running. I recall a command like "ps -aw
|grep imap" but I don't think I am using the correct switches because I am
not getting what I am expecting.

If someone could tell me how to see what servers are running on my system
and let me know if there is a special way to start my pop3 and imap
daemons, I would be very grateful. Ultimately I would like to use the ssl
versions of pop3 and imap.

But I can not find any documentation on how to start courier at startup
and I am wondering if I have to enable inetd. I was told that inetd is a
big security risk. So would like to avoid that if possible.

I have asked this question elsewhere and have not received any responses.
Any suggestions are very welcome and appreciated.



Thank you,
Joshua Lewis

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On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:48 -0800, Joshua Lewis wrote:
> Do I need to have a *_enable="YES" line in my rc.conf in order to start my
> courier-imap-pop3 and courier-imap-imap servers? Or do I have to enable
> inetd?

Yup. The full set, if you include the secure versions too is:

courier_imap_imapd_ssl_enable="YES"
courier_imap_imapd_enable="YES"
courier_imap_pop3d_ssl_enable="YES"
courier_imap_pop3d_enable="YES"

It's worth reading /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh for any port you install.
inetd is not the right way to start these ports.

Then to start them up without a reboot, do 

/usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh start

But you do need the rc.conf entries first.

> 
> I have been pulling my hair out for weeks trying to setup my first mail
> server using how toos from high5.net and workaround.org.
> 
> I have tried to look in /var/log for any log files that could indicate why
> I can not pick up mail. But I don't see any log files at all so I suspect
> they are not running. The server accepts mail fine I just can't pick it
> up. I donÿt know if it matters but I am trying to setup virtual domains
> with no local system accounts. 

How? You might also need:

courier_authdaemond_enable="YES"
in /etc/rc.conf

> Including the domain of the computer itÿs
> self. Does that affect anything? Again I can accept e-mail fine so I donÿt
> expect it does.
> 
> I can't figure out if courier is running. I recall a command like "ps -aw
> |grep imap" but I don't think I am using the correct switches because I am
> not getting what I am expecting.

$ ps xa | grep courier
19223  p2  S+     0:00.00 grep courier
  526 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger
-pid=/usr/local/var/spool/authdaemon/pid -st
  527 con  I      0:00.06 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  535 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  536 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  537 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  538 con  I      0:00.02 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  539 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  548 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
  552 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd-ssl
  561 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
  565 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd
  573 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
  576 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d-ssl
  585 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
  588 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d


Also try

#telnet localhost 110

and so on for all the pop3 and imap ports. If courier is running, you'll
get something like:

#telnet localhost 110
Trying ::1...
Connected to your.host.name.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
+OK Hello there.

Telnetting to the port is good because you can then talk pop/imap and
diagnose any other probs.

Peter.

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I am running a 5.3-RELEASE-p5 machine.

$uname -a
FreeBSD twinmp.tcbug.org 5.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Wed 
Feb  9 16:54:40 CST 2005     
jpaetzel@twinmp.tcbug.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TWINMP  i386

Hardware is basic PC sound/lan/video, 4 IDE channels, dual AMD MP 
processors. dmesg is attached.

I am following the following procedure in the jail manpage:

#D=/usr/local/jail
#cd /usr/src
#mkdir -p $D
#make world DESTDIR=$D
#cd etc
#make distribution DESTDIR=$D
#mount_devfs devfs $D/dev
#cd $D
#ln -sf dev/null kernel

I get to: 
#make world DESTDIR=$D 
and the compile fails at the following point:
 
===> games/fortune/strfile
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile created 
for /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile
rm -f .depend
mkdep -f .depend -a    
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
echo 
strfile: /storage/jail/usr/lib/libc.a /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/lib/libegacy.a 
>> .depend
cc -O -pipe  -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include 
-c /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
make: don't know how to make /storage/jail/usr/lib/libc.a. Stop
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.

This is reproducable on my hardware with RELEASE-5.3, RELEASE-5.3-p2 
and RELEASE-5.3-p5.  I found an email in the -questions mailing list 
in which the author has the same errors that I do attempting to build 
world.  



If I replace:
#make world DESTDIR=$D with 
#env DESTDIR=$D make world everything goes fine.

(just for kicks I tested with /bin/sh /bin/csh and /usr/local/etc/zsh)

I considered sending a patch for man 8 jail but thought it would be 
better to get input first.  If a solution isn't found I'll send-pr 
the docproj with a patch.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel

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    jpaetzel@twinmp.tcbug.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TWINMP
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2400+ (2000.08-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x681  Stepping = 1
  Features=0x383fbff
  AMD Features=0xc0480000
real memory  = 805240832 (767 MB)
avail memory = 774049792 (738 MB)
ACPI APIC Table: 
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
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 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2
ioapic0  irqs 0-23 on motherboard
npx0: [FAST]
npx0:  on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
acpi0:  on motherboard
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
acpi0: Sleep Button (fixed)
Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x5008-0x500b on acpi0
cpu0:  on acpi0
cpu1:  on acpi0
acpi_button0:  on acpi0
pcib0:  port 0x50e0-0x50ff,0x5000-0x50df,0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0:  on pcib0
agp0:  port 0xc000-0xc003 mem 0xfc000000-0xfc000fff,0xe8000000-0xefffffff at device 0.0 on pci0
pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1:  on pcib1
nvidia0:  mem 0xf0000000-0xf7ffffff,0xf8000000-0xf8ffffff irq 17 at device 5.0 on pci1
nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
isab0:  at device 7.0 on pci0
isa0:  on isab0
atapci0:  port 0xf000-0xf00f,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x3f6,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 7.1 on pci0
ata0: channel #0 on atapci0
ata1: channel #1 on atapci0
pci0:  at device 7.3 (no driver attached)
pcib2:  at device 16.0 on pci0
pci2:  on pcib2
ohci0:  mem 0xfb025000-0xfb025fff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci2
ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support
usb0:  on ohci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: AMD OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered
ums0: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse, rev 2.00/13.20, addr 2, iclass 3/1
ums0: 4 buttons and Z dir.
pcm0:  port 0x9000-0x901f irq 18 at device 6.0 on pci2
pcm0: 
fxp0:  port 0x9800-0x983f mem 0xfb000000-0xfb01ffff,0xfb024000-0xfb024fff irq 16 at device 7.0 on pci2
miibus0:  on fxp0
inphy0:  on miibus0
inphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:0d:61:20:2d:ad
atapci1:  port 0xac00-0xac0f,0xa800-0xa803,0xa400-0xa407,0xa000-0xa003,0x9c00-0x9c07 mem 0xfb020000-0xfb023fff irq 18 at device 8.0 on pci2
ata2: channel #0 on atapci1
ata3: channel #1 on atapci1
fdc0:  port 0x3f7,0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0
fdc0: [FAST]
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0
sio0: type 16550A
ppc0:  port 0x778-0x77b,0x378-0x37f irq 7 on acpi0
ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppbus0:  on ppc0
plip0:  on ppbus0
lpt0:  on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0:  on ppbus0
atkbdc0:  port 0x64,0x60 irq 1 on acpi0
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kbd0 at atkbd0
atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
orm0:  at iomem 0xd0000-0xd27ff on isa0
pmtimer0 on isa0
sc0:  at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
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Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
ad0: 76319MB  [155061/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100
acd0: DVDROM  at ata1-master UDMA33
acd1: CDRW  at ata1-slave UDMA33
ad4: 76319MB  [155061/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100
ad6: 76319MB  [155061/16/63] at ata3-master UDMA100
ar0: 76293MB  [9726/255/63] status: READY subdisks:
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 disk1 READY on ad6 at ata3-master
SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!
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Peter... This is great....

I realize that this email is online.. But the pipermail is impossible to
search... Where else can I find this kind of detailed info online??=20
bob

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>>> "Wireless Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband Customer
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Peter Risdon
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To: jmlewis@dslextreme.com
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Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mail Server


On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:48 -0800, Joshua Lewis wrote:
> Do I need to have a *_enable=3D"YES" line in my rc.conf in order to=20
> start my courier-imap-pop3 and courier-imap-imap servers? Or do I have

> to enable inetd?

Yup. The full set, if you include the secure versions too is:

courier_imap_imapd_ssl_enable=3D"YES"
courier_imap_imapd_enable=3D"YES" courier_imap_pop3d_ssl_enable=3D"YES"
courier_imap_pop3d_enable=3D"YES"

It's worth reading /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh for any port you install.
inetd is not the right way to start these ports.

Then to start them up without a reboot, do=20

/usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh start

But you do need the rc.conf entries first.

>=20
> I have been pulling my hair out for weeks trying to setup my first=20
> mail server using how toos from high5.net and workaround.org.
>=20
> I have tried to look in /var/log for any log files that could indicate

> why I can not pick up mail. But I don't see any log files at all so I=20
> suspect they are not running. The server accepts mail fine I just=20
> can't pick it up. I don=FFt know if it matters but I am trying to =
setup=20
> virtual domains with no local system accounts.

How? You might also need:

courier_authdaemond_enable=3D"YES"
in /etc/rc.conf

> Including the domain of the computer it=FFs
> self. Does that affect anything? Again I can accept e-mail fine so I=20
> don=FFt expect it does.
>=20
> I can't figure out if courier is running. I recall a command like "ps=20
> -aw
> |grep imap" but I don't think I am using the correct switches because=20
> |I am
> not getting what I am expecting.

$ ps xa | grep courier
19223  p2  S+     0:00.00 grep courier
  526 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger
-pid=3D/usr/local/var/spool/authdaemon/pid -st
  527 con  I      0:00.06 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  535 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  536 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  537 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  538 con  I      0:00.02 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  539 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
  548 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
  552 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd-ssl
  561 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
  565 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd
  573 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
  576 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d-ssl
  585 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
  588 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d


Also try

#telnet localhost 110

and so on for all the pop3 and imap ports. If courier is running, you'll
get something like:

#telnet localhost 110
Trying ::1...
Connected to your.host.name.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
+OK Hello there.

Telnetting to the port is good because you can then talk pop/imap and
diagnose any other probs.

Peter.

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> I am running a 5.3-RELEASE-p5 machine.
>
> $uname -a
> FreeBSD twinmp.tcbug.org 5.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD
> 5.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Wed
> Feb  9 16:54:40 CST 2005
> jpaetzel@twinmp.tcbug.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TWINMP
> i386
>
> Hardware is basic PC sound/lan/video, 4 IDE channels, dual
> AMD MP
> processors. dmesg is attached.
>
> I am following the following procedure in the jail
> manpage:
>
> #D=/usr/local/jail
> #cd /usr/src
> #mkdir -p $D
> #make world DESTDIR=$D
> #cd etc
> #make distribution DESTDIR=$D
> #mount_devfs devfs $D/dev
> #cd $D
> #ln -sf dev/null kernel
>
> I get to:
> #make world DESTDIR=$D
> and the compile fails at the following point:
>
> ===> games/fortune/strfile
> /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile
> created
> for /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile
> rm -f .depend
> mkdep -f .depend -a
> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include
> /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
> echo
> strfile: /storage/jail/usr/lib/libc.a
> /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/lib/libegacy.a
>>> .depend
> cc -O -pipe  -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include
> -c /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
> make: don't know how to make /storage/jail/usr/lib/libc.a.
> Stop
> *** Error code 2
>
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src.
>
> This is reproducable on my hardware with RELEASE-5.3,
> RELEASE-5.3-p2
> and RELEASE-5.3-p5.  I found an email in the -questions
> mailing list
> in which the author has the same errors that I do
> attempting to build
> world.
>
> 
>
> If I replace:
> #make world DESTDIR=$D with
> #env DESTDIR=$D make world everything goes fine.
>
> (just for kicks I tested with /bin/sh /bin/csh and
> /usr/local/etc/zsh)
>
> I considered sending a patch for man 8 jail but thought it
> would be
> better to get input first.  If a solution isn't found I'll
> send-pr
> the docproj with a patch.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Paetzel
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Hello. I have also had success with:

#/bin/tcsh
#setenv DESTDIR /path/to/jail
then follow the instructions for "Setting up a Jail
Directory Tree".

FYI: also look at "Managing Jails on FreeBSD 5" at
http://www.devco.net - invaluable and should be added, if
possible, to the jail man pages IMHO.

--
Viren Patel
Chemistry & Biochemistry
University of Texas at Austin

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Dmitri Furman wrote:
> Thank you Greg.  Yes it is native resolution for the display.  This is 
> what I run Windows on.  It is also using 60 Hz for refresh rate.
> 
>> From: Greg Barniskis 
>> To: Dmitri Furman 
>> CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> Subject: Re: Grainy X Windows and KDE.
>> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:02:01 -0600
>>
>> Dmitri Furman wrote:
>>
>>> Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly 
>>> appreciated. I spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell 
>>> Dimension 8200 Desktop.  Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg 
>>> to work.  I have Nvidia video card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  
>>> I had to rebuild kernel to make Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run 
>>> in 1024x768 mode but picture is really grainy.  I specified depth at 
>>> 24 and also tried 32.  I have a 15" Flat Panel monitor.  If anyone 
>>> had any luck or has some pointers on what I have to do to resolve 
>>> grainy colors problem please let me know what I need to do.  Thank you.
[snip]

Well, sorry it's not the simplest thing. Being an old school CLI 
mode server monkey, I don't really have any great X Windows 
expertise to offer.

FWIW, I set up a 5.3-STABLE box with all the latest gnome2 widgetry 
last week (thinking I might finally be able to stop my brother's use 
of dangerous MS-based web browsing habits if I gave him a 
non-Windows desktop). Although I recompiled a GENERIC kernel after 
cvsup, I didn't have any trouble getting the nvidia driver going 
(card is a 5200) or getting Xorg and gnome2 configured (thank you 
FreeBSD Gnome porters!). Since you mention recompiling your kernel 
to get the video card going, it might be helpful if you provided 
more detail to the list for those whose expertise might come to bear 
on it.

I might also suggest simple trial and error; if you can put a 
regular tube monitor on this system, and/or if you can try different 
X Windows configuration settings with the panel, it might be telling 
if the problem gets better or worse.


-- 
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Greg Barniskis wrote:
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> Well, sorry it's not the simplest thing. Being an old school CLI mode 
> server monkey, I don't really have any great X Windows expertise to offer.

No sooner had I sent this than I recalled the result of a previous 
experiment I performed trying to get KDE running on 5.2 quite a 
while ago. The default desktop background was set to a particular 
gray color, which when viewed on my monitor caused an *awful* moire 
pattern. This problem went away when I changed the desktop color to 
anything else. Is that your problem?

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On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 11:15 -0800, Robert Kim, EVDO-Coverage, Verizon
Agent wrote:
> Peter... This is great....
> 
> I realize that this email is online.. But the pipermail is impossible to
> search... Where else can I find this kind of detailed info online?? 
> bob

Hmmm... not sure. There are some very good how-to documents around and
some are specifically for FreeBSD, but I don't think many include the
rcng info that would give you the rc.conf entries.

The move to rcng is fairly recent, which is why I suggested that reading
the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh scripts is a good idea at the moment.

I hate to say this, but google is worth a try. Try using *FreeBSD mail
toaster* as the search terms - assuming you're interested in virtual
hosting of mail domains. I hesitate to recommend any particular one,
because it's largely a matter of taste. The Matt Simerson mail toaster
thingie is highly regarded by a lot of people, but I don't get on with
it because it's a bit of a black box unless you research it extensively,
and because I take a slightly different approach to running qmail.
However, the documentation contains some really useful stuff.

The docs produced by the authors of courier are also pretty good:

http://www.inter7.com/courierimap

Peter.


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Peter Risdon
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:09 AM
> To: jmlewis@dslextreme.com
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mail Server
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:48 -0800, Joshua Lewis wrote:
> > Do I need to have a *_enable="YES" line in my rc.conf in order to 
> > start my courier-imap-pop3 and courier-imap-imap servers? Or do I have
> 
> > to enable inetd?
> 
> Yup. The full set, if you include the secure versions too is:
> 
> courier_imap_imapd_ssl_enable="YES"
> courier_imap_imapd_enable="YES" courier_imap_pop3d_ssl_enable="YES"
> courier_imap_pop3d_enable="YES"
> 
> It's worth reading /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh for any port you install.
> inetd is not the right way to start these ports.
> 
> Then to start them up without a reboot, do 
> 
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh start
> 
> But you do need the rc.conf entries first.
> 
> > 
> > I have been pulling my hair out for weeks trying to setup my first 
> > mail server using how toos from high5.net and workaround.org.
> > 
> > I have tried to look in /var/log for any log files that could indicate
> 
> > why I can not pick up mail. But I don't see any log files at all so I 
> > suspect they are not running. The server accepts mail fine I just 
> > can't pick it up. I donÿt know if it matters but I am trying to setup 
> > virtual domains with no local system accounts.
> 
> How? You might also need:
> 
> courier_authdaemond_enable="YES"
> in /etc/rc.conf
> 
> > Including the domain of the computer itÿs
> > self. Does that affect anything? Again I can accept e-mail fine so I 
> > donÿt expect it does.
> > 
> > I can't figure out if courier is running. I recall a command like "ps 
> > -aw
> > |grep imap" but I don't think I am using the correct switches because 
> > |I am
> > not getting what I am expecting.
> 
> $ ps xa | grep courier
> 19223  p2  S+     0:00.00 grep courier
>   526 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger
> -pid=/usr/local/var/spool/authdaemon/pid -st
>   527 con  I      0:00.06 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   535 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   536 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   537 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   538 con  I      0:00.02 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   539 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   548 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   552 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd-ssl
>   561 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   565 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd
>   573 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   576 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d-ssl
>   585 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   588 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d
> 
> 
> Also try
> 
> #telnet localhost 110
> 
> and so on for all the pop3 and imap ports. If courier is running, you'll
> get something like:
> 
> #telnet localhost 110
> Trying ::1...
> Connected to your.host.name.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> +OK Hello there.
> 
> Telnetting to the port is good because you can then talk pop/imap and
> diagnose any other probs.
> 
> Peter.
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Sorry to top post but this is general info

There is a bug in 5.3-RELEASE make files that has been fixed in -STABLE.

See the archives for previous discussions on this.

Chad

On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:26 PM, Viren Patel wrote:

>> I am running a 5.3-RELEASE-p5 machine.
>>
>> $uname -a
>> FreeBSD twinmp.tcbug.org 5.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD
>> 5.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Wed
>> Feb  9 16:54:40 CST 2005
>> jpaetzel@twinmp.tcbug.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TWINMP
>> i386
>>
>> Hardware is basic PC sound/lan/video, 4 IDE channels, dual
>> AMD MP
>> processors. dmesg is attached.
>>
>> I am following the following procedure in the jail
>> manpage:
>>
>> #D=/usr/local/jail
>> #cd /usr/src
>> #mkdir -p $D
>> #make world DESTDIR=$D
>> #cd etc
>> #make distribution DESTDIR=$D
>> #mount_devfs devfs $D/dev
>> #cd $D
>> #ln -sf dev/null kernel
>>
>> I get to:
>> #make world DESTDIR=$D
>> and the compile fails at the following point:
>>
>> ===> games/fortune/strfile
>> /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile
>> created
>> for /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile
>> rm -f .depend
>> mkdep -f .depend -a
>> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include
>> /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
>> echo
>> strfile: /storage/jail/usr/lib/libc.a
>> /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/lib/libegacy.a
>>>> .depend
>> cc -O -pipe  -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include
>> -c /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
>> make: don't know how to make /storage/jail/usr/lib/libc.a.
>> Stop
>> *** Error code 2
>>
>> Stop in /usr/src.
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop in /usr/src.
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop in /usr/src.
>>
>> This is reproducable on my hardware with RELEASE-5.3,
>> RELEASE-5.3-p2
>> and RELEASE-5.3-p5.  I found an email in the -questions
>> mailing list
>> in which the author has the same errors that I do
>> attempting to build
>> world.
>>
>> 
>>
>> If I replace:
>> #make world DESTDIR=$D with
>> #env DESTDIR=$D make world everything goes fine.
>>
>> (just for kicks I tested with /bin/sh /bin/csh and
>> /usr/local/etc/zsh)
>>
>> I considered sending a patch for man 8 jail but thought it
>> would be
>> better to get input first.  If a solution isn't found I'll
>> send-pr
>> the docproj with a patch.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh Paetzel
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>
> Hello. I have also had success with:
>
> #/bin/tcsh
> #setenv DESTDIR /path/to/jail
> then follow the instructions for "Setting up a Jail
> Directory Tree".
>
> FYI: also look at "Managing Jails on FreeBSD 5" at
> http://www.devco.net - invaluable and should be added, if
> possible, to the jail man pages IMHO.
>
> --
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Hello!

I need to push a sizable subtree over to another server periodically.

The remote, however, only allows ftp...

All of the ftp-mirroring software, that I could find (pavuk, mirror, emirror, 
etc.) seems designed for pulling the data in, rather than pushing it out.

The only thing I could find is rdist, but that needs rsh or ssh and can not 
work over ftp.

Is there anything in FreeBSD's ports, that I overlooked? Is there anything at 
all? I can port it...

Thanks!

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Mikhail Teterin  writes:

> I need to push a sizable subtree over to another server periodically.
> 
> The remote, however, only allows ftp...
> 
> All of the ftp-mirroring software, that I could find (pavuk, mirror, emirror, 
> etc.) seems designed for pulling the data in, rather than pushing it out.

I think lftp can do that.

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What if there is a problem starting one of the servers? Should I look at
/var/dmesg ? Or is there a different log to look at?


Thank you,
Joshua Lewis



Peter Risdon
> On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:48 -0800, Joshua Lewis wrote:
>> Do I need to have a *_enable="YES" line in my rc.conf in order to start
>> my
>> courier-imap-pop3 and courier-imap-imap servers? Or do I have to enable
>> inetd?
>
> Yup. The full set, if you include the secure versions too is:
>
> courier_imap_imapd_ssl_enable="YES"
> courier_imap_imapd_enable="YES"
> courier_imap_pop3d_ssl_enable="YES"
> courier_imap_pop3d_enable="YES"
>
> It's worth reading /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh for any port you install.
> inetd is not the right way to start these ports.
>
> Then to start them up without a reboot, do
>
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh start
>
> But you do need the rc.conf entries first.
>
>>
>> I have been pulling my hair out for weeks trying to setup my first mail
>> server using how toos from high5.net and workaround.org.
>>
>> I have tried to look in /var/log for any log files that could indicate
>> why
>> I can not pick up mail. But I don't see any log files at all so I
>> suspect
>> they are not running. The server accepts mail fine I just can't pick it
>> up. I donÿt know if it matters but I am trying to setup virtual domains
>> with no local system accounts.
>
> How? You might also need:
>
> courier_authdaemond_enable="YES"
> in /etc/rc.conf
>
>> Including the domain of the computer itÿs
>> self. Does that affect anything? Again I can accept e-mail fine so I
>> donÿt
>> expect it does.
>>
>> I can't figure out if courier is running. I recall a command like "ps
>> -aw
>> |grep imap" but I don't think I am using the correct switches because I
>> am
>> not getting what I am expecting.
>
> $ ps xa | grep courier
> 19223  p2  S+     0:00.00 grep courier
>   526 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger
> -pid=/usr/local/var/spool/authdaemon/pid -st
>   527 con  I      0:00.06 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   535 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   536 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   537 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   538 con  I      0:00.02 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   539 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   548 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   552 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd-ssl
>   561 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   565 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd
>   573 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   576 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d-ssl
>   585 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   588 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d
>
>
> Also try
>
> #telnet localhost 110
>
> and so on for all the pop3 and imap ports. If courier is running, you'll
> get something like:
>
> #telnet localhost 110
> Trying ::1...
> Connected to your.host.name.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> +OK Hello there.
>
> Telnetting to the port is good because you can then talk pop/imap and
> diagnose any other probs.
>
> Peter.
>
>

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MacConnect Home Office wrote:
> I have a strange problem on my hands.  I have a mail server running 
> qmail and vpopmail, and FreeBSD 4.2.  The machine does decent volume.  
> Periodically the machine will just go deaf to network connections for 15 
> - 20 minutes at a time.  When this happens, both the link light on the 
> machine and the link light on the switch go amber.  I've tried to 
> troubleshoot this from every angle.  I've checked the settings on the 
> switch (they're fine).  In fact, when this problem happens, the switch 
> isn't reporting any errors on the port.  I've swapped ethernet cables, 
> put the machine on another switch, and swapped ethernet cards, all to no 
> avail.

I don't suppose the system is going into power-saving made, by any chance? 
BTW, if you do indeed have 4.2, you are a few years out of date and ought to 
upgrade to 4.11.

-- 
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Sorry one last question. Should I put all of my *_enable in /etc/rc.conf?

Isn't there another one in /usr/local/etc/ ? I thought I saw two placeses
to add the enable lines. Is one better then the other?


Thank you,
Joshua Lewis



Peter Risdon
> On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:48 -0800, Joshua Lewis wrote:
>> Do I need to have a *_enable="YES" line in my rc.conf in order to start
>> my
>> courier-imap-pop3 and courier-imap-imap servers? Or do I have to enable
>> inetd?
>
> Yup. The full set, if you include the secure versions too is:
>
> courier_imap_imapd_ssl_enable="YES"
> courier_imap_imapd_enable="YES"
> courier_imap_pop3d_ssl_enable="YES"
> courier_imap_pop3d_enable="YES"
>
> It's worth reading /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh for any port you install.
> inetd is not the right way to start these ports.
>
> Then to start them up without a reboot, do
>
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh start
>
> But you do need the rc.conf entries first.
>
>>
>> I have been pulling my hair out for weeks trying to setup my first mail
>> server using how toos from high5.net and workaround.org.
>>
>> I have tried to look in /var/log for any log files that could indicate
>> why
>> I can not pick up mail. But I don't see any log files at all so I
>> suspect
>> they are not running. The server accepts mail fine I just can't pick it
>> up. I donÿt know if it matters but I am trying to setup virtual domains
>> with no local system accounts.
>
> How? You might also need:
>
> courier_authdaemond_enable="YES"
> in /etc/rc.conf
>
>> Including the domain of the computer itÿs
>> self. Does that affect anything? Again I can accept e-mail fine so I
>> donÿt
>> expect it does.
>>
>> I can't figure out if courier is running. I recall a command like "ps
>> -aw
>> |grep imap" but I don't think I am using the correct switches because I
>> am
>> not getting what I am expecting.
>
> $ ps xa | grep courier
> 19223  p2  S+     0:00.00 grep courier
>   526 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger
> -pid=/usr/local/var/spool/authdaemon/pid -st
>   527 con  I      0:00.06 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   535 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   536 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   537 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   538 con  I      0:00.02 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   539 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   548 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   552 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd-ssl
>   561 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   565 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd
>   573 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   576 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d-ssl
>   585 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   588 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d
>
>
> Also try
>
> #telnet localhost 110
>
> and so on for all the pop3 and imap ports. If courier is running, you'll
> get something like:
>
> #telnet localhost 110
> Trying ::1...
> Connected to your.host.name.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> +OK Hello there.
>
> Telnetting to the port is good because you can then talk pop/imap and
> diagnose any other probs.
>
> Peter.
>
>

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On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 11:59 -0800, Joshua Lewis wrote:
> What if there is a problem starting one of the servers? Should I look at
> /var/dmesg ? Or is there a different log to look at?

/var/log/maillog

and sometimes

/var/log/messages


Peter.


> 
> 
> Thank you,
> Joshua Lewis
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Risdon
> > On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:48 -0800, Joshua Lewis wrote:
> >> Do I need to have a *_enable="YES" line in my rc.conf in order to start
> >> my
> >> courier-imap-pop3 and courier-imap-imap servers? Or do I have to enable
> >> inetd?
> >
> > Yup. The full set, if you include the secure versions too is:
> >
> > courier_imap_imapd_ssl_enable="YES"
> > courier_imap_imapd_enable="YES"
> > courier_imap_pop3d_ssl_enable="YES"
> > courier_imap_pop3d_enable="YES"
> >
> > It's worth reading /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh for any port you install.
> > inetd is not the right way to start these ports.
> >
> > Then to start them up without a reboot, do
> >
> > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh start
> >
> > But you do need the rc.conf entries first.
> >
> >>
> >> I have been pulling my hair out for weeks trying to setup my first mail
> >> server using how toos from high5.net and workaround.org.
> >>
> >> I have tried to look in /var/log for any log files that could indicate
> >> why
> >> I can not pick up mail. But I don't see any log files at all so I
> >> suspect
> >> they are not running. The server accepts mail fine I just can't pick it
> >> up. I donÿt know if it matters but I am trying to setup virtual domains
> >> with no local system accounts.
> >
> > How? You might also need:
> >
> > courier_authdaemond_enable="YES"
> > in /etc/rc.conf
> >
> >> Including the domain of the computer itÿs
> >> self. Does that affect anything? Again I can accept e-mail fine so I
> >> donÿt
> >> expect it does.
> >>
> >> I can't figure out if courier is running. I recall a command like "ps
> >> -aw
> >> |grep imap" but I don't think I am using the correct switches because I
> >> am
> >> not getting what I am expecting.
> >
> > $ ps xa | grep courier
> > 19223  p2  S+     0:00.00 grep courier
> >   526 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger
> > -pid=/usr/local/var/spool/authdaemon/pid -st
> >   527 con  I      0:00.06 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   535 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   536 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   537 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   538 con  I      0:00.02 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   539 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   548 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
> >   552 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd-ssl
> >   561 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
> >   565 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd
> >   573 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
> >   576 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d-ssl
> >   585 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
> >   588 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d
> >
> >
> > Also try
> >
> > #telnet localhost 110
> >
> > and so on for all the pop3 and imap ports. If courier is running, you'll
> > get something like:
> >
> > #telnet localhost 110
> > Trying ::1...
> > Connected to your.host.name.com.
> > Escape character is '^]'.
> > +OK Hello there.
> >
> > Telnetting to the port is good because you can then talk pop/imap and
> > diagnose any other probs.
> >
> > Peter.
> >
> >
> 
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On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 12:02 -0800, Joshua Lewis wrote:
> Sorry one last question. Should I put all of my *_enable in /etc/rc.conf?

Yup.

> 
> Isn't there another one in /usr/local/etc/ ? I thought I saw two placeses
> to add the enable lines. Is one better then the other?

No, it must be /etc/rc.conf

Peter.


> 
> 
> Thank you,
> Joshua Lewis
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Risdon
> > On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:48 -0800, Joshua Lewis wrote:
> >> Do I need to have a *_enable="YES" line in my rc.conf in order to start
> >> my
> >> courier-imap-pop3 and courier-imap-imap servers? Or do I have to enable
> >> inetd?
> >
> > Yup. The full set, if you include the secure versions too is:
> >
> > courier_imap_imapd_ssl_enable="YES"
> > courier_imap_imapd_enable="YES"
> > courier_imap_pop3d_ssl_enable="YES"
> > courier_imap_pop3d_enable="YES"
> >
> > It's worth reading /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh for any port you install.
> > inetd is not the right way to start these ports.
> >
> > Then to start them up without a reboot, do
> >
> > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh start
> >
> > But you do need the rc.conf entries first.
> >
> >>
> >> I have been pulling my hair out for weeks trying to setup my first mail
> >> server using how toos from high5.net and workaround.org.
> >>
> >> I have tried to look in /var/log for any log files that could indicate
> >> why
> >> I can not pick up mail. But I don't see any log files at all so I
> >> suspect
> >> they are not running. The server accepts mail fine I just can't pick it
> >> up. I donÿt know if it matters but I am trying to setup virtual domains
> >> with no local system accounts.
> >
> > How? You might also need:
> >
> > courier_authdaemond_enable="YES"
> > in /etc/rc.conf
> >
> >> Including the domain of the computer itÿs
> >> self. Does that affect anything? Again I can accept e-mail fine so I
> >> donÿt
> >> expect it does.
> >>
> >> I can't figure out if courier is running. I recall a command like "ps
> >> -aw
> >> |grep imap" but I don't think I am using the correct switches because I
> >> am
> >> not getting what I am expecting.
> >
> > $ ps xa | grep courier
> > 19223  p2  S+     0:00.00 grep courier
> >   526 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger
> > -pid=/usr/local/var/spool/authdaemon/pid -st
> >   527 con  I      0:00.06 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   535 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   536 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   537 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   538 con  I      0:00.02 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   539 con  I      0:00.03 /usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
> >   548 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
> >   552 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd-ssl
> >   561 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
> >   565 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd
> >   573 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
> >   576 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d-ssl
> >   585 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
> >   588 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d
> >
> >
> > Also try
> >
> > #telnet localhost 110
> >
> > and so on for all the pop3 and imap ports. If courier is running, you'll
> > get something like:
> >
> > #telnet localhost 110
> > Trying ::1...
> > Connected to your.host.name.com.
> > Escape character is '^]'.
> > +OK Hello there.
> >
> > Telnetting to the port is good because you can then talk pop/imap and
> > diagnose any other probs.
> >
> > Peter.
> >
> >
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JL> Sorry one last question. Should I put all of my *_enable in /etc/rc.conf?

JL> Isn't there another one in /usr/local/etc/ ? I thought I saw two placeses
JL> to add the enable lines. Is one better then the other?


JL> Thank you,
JL> Joshua Lewis


---------------------------------------------

there is only a dir /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ user installed software
startup scripts go there. As opposed to the startup scripts for
"system" programms those go to /etc/rc.d/. Thats the way I understood
it.

Hexren

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Mikhail,

Lemme know if Debian.org/mirror/push_mirroring points you in the right
direction... 
Bob


X----------------
Robert Kim, 
Wireless Internet Wifi Hotspot Advisor
 
http://wireless-internet-broadband-service.com
https://evdo.sslpowered.com/wifi-hotspot-router.htm
2611 S Pacific Coast Highway 101
Cardiff by the Sea CA 92007 : 206 984 0880

>>> "Wireless Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband Customer
Service"(tm)
>>> OUR QUEST: To Kill the Cubicle! (SM)
---Shalommmmmmmm--------------------
---------------------------------;-)---- 

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Peter... This may seem silly... But you may find this german page
useful...=20
bsdforen.de/archive/index.php/t-1380.html
Just use babblefish.com to translate it.. Unless you speak german :o)

Bob


X----------------
Robert Kim,=20
Wireless Internet Wifi Hotspot Advisor
 http://wireless-internet-broadband-service.com
https://evdo.sslpowered.com/wifi-hotspot-router.htm
2611 S Pacific Coast Highway 101
Cardiff by the Sea CA 92007 : 206 984 0880

>>> "Wireless Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband Customer
Service"(tm)
>>> OUR QUEST: To Kill the Cubicle! (SM)
---Shalommmmmmmm--------------------
---------------------------------;-)----=20



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Peter Risdon
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Robert Kim, EVDO-Coverage, Verizon Agent
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Subject: RE: FreeBSD Mail Server


On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 11:15 -0800, Robert Kim, EVDO-Coverage, Verizon
Agent wrote:
> Peter... This is great....
>=20
> I realize that this email is online.. But the pipermail is impossible=20
> to search... Where else can I find this kind of detailed info online??

> bob

Hmmm... not sure. There are some very good how-to documents around and
some are specifically for FreeBSD, but I don't think many include the
rcng info that would give you the rc.conf entries.

The move to rcng is fairly recent, which is why I suggested that reading
the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh scripts is a good idea at the moment.

I hate to say this, but google is worth a try. Try using *FreeBSD mail
toaster* as the search terms - assuming you're interested in virtual
hosting of mail domains. I hesitate to recommend any particular one,
because it's largely a matter of taste. The Matt Simerson mail toaster
thingie is highly regarded by a lot of people, but I don't get on with
it because it's a bit of a black box unless you research it extensively,
and because I take a slightly different approach to running qmail.
However, the documentation contains some really useful stuff.


>=20
> X----------------
> Robert Kim,
> Wireless Internet Wifi Hotspot Advisor
> http://wireless-internet-broadband-service.com
> https://evdo.sslpowered.com/wifi-hotspot-router.htm
> 2611 S Pacific Coast Highway 101
> Cardiff by the Sea CA 92007 : 206 984 0880
>=20
> >>> "Wireless Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband=20
> >>> Customer
> Service"(tm)
> >>> OUR QUEST: To Kill the Cubicle! (SM)
> ---Shalommmmmmmm--------------------
> ---------------------------------;-)----
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Peter Risdon
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:09 AM
> To: jmlewis@dslextreme.com
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mail Server
>=20
>=20
> On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:48 -0800, Joshua Lewis wrote:
> > Do I need to have a *_enable=3D"YES" line in my rc.conf in order to
> > start my courier-imap-pop3 and courier-imap-imap servers? Or do I
have
>=20
> > to enable inetd?
>=20
> Yup. The full set, if you include the secure versions too is:
>=20
> courier_imap_imapd_ssl_enable=3D"YES"
> courier_imap_imapd_enable=3D"YES" =
courier_imap_pop3d_ssl_enable=3D"YES"
> courier_imap_pop3d_enable=3D"YES"
>=20
> It's worth reading /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh for any port you=20
> install. inetd is not the right way to start these ports.
>=20
> Then to start them up without a reboot, do
>=20
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah.sh start
>=20
> But you do need the rc.conf entries first.
>=20
> >=20
> > I have been pulling my hair out for weeks trying to setup my first
> > mail server using how toos from high5.net and workaround.org.
> >=20
> > I have tried to look in /var/log for any log files that could=20
> > indicate
>=20
> > why I can not pick up mail. But I don't see any log files at all so=20
> > I
> > suspect they are not running. The server accepts mail fine I just=20
> > can't pick it up. I don=FFt know if it matters but I am trying to
setup=20
> > virtual domains with no local system accounts.
>=20
> How? You might also need:
>=20
> courier_authdaemond_enable=3D"YES"
> in /etc/rc.conf
>=20
> > Including the domain of the computer it=FFs
> > self. Does that affect anything? Again I can accept e-mail fine so I
> > don=FFt expect it does.
> >=20
> > I can't figure out if courier is running. I recall a command like=20
> > "ps
> > -aw
> > |grep imap" but I don't think I am using the correct switches=20
> > |because
> > |I am
> > not getting what I am expecting.
>=20
> $ ps xa | grep courier
> 19223  p2  S+     0:00.00 grep courier
>   526 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger
> -pid=3D/usr/local/var/spool/authdaemon/pid -st
>   527 con  I      0:00.06
/usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   535 con  I      0:00.03
/usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   536 con  I      0:00.03
/usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   537 con  I      0:00.03
/usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   538 con  I      0:00.02
/usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   539 con  I      0:00.03
/usr/local/libexec/courier-authlib/authdaemond
>   548 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   552 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd-ssl
>   561 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   565 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger imapd
>   573 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   576 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d-ssl
>   585 con  I      0:00.01 [couriertcpd]
>   588 con  I      0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger pop3d
>=20
>=20
> Also try
>=20
> #telnet localhost 110
>=20
> and so on for all the pop3 and imap ports. If courier is running,=20
> you'll get something like:
>=20
> #telnet localhost 110
> Trying ::1...
> Connected to your.host.name.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> +OK Hello there.
>=20
> Telnetting to the port is good because you can then talk pop/imap and=20
> diagnose any other probs.
>=20
> Peter.
>=20


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> Mikhail,
>
> Lemme know if Debian.org/mirror/push_mirroring points you in the right
> direction...

No. The method described on the page requires ssh-access to the receiving 
server. If I had that, I would've happily used rdist-over ssh without 
bothering this list(s).

I must use ftp-protocol for transport. lftp does seem to have that -- I'm 
trying to figure the details out now...

Thanks.

	-mi

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Welll... Yes... The EVDO system technically DOES work on FREEBSD...
BUT..
You have to personally modify the Old Open Source Mac driver to do it...
OR.. Just mod the Linux driver...

Tell you what... Since I don't have a copy... If anyone does this... And
gets me a working driver ... I will get you a FREE EVDO card... And 3
free months of service... Lemme know..

  X----------------

Robert Kim, Verizon Wireless Agent (TM)
http://EVDO-Coverage.com
2611 S Pacific Coast Highway 101
Cardiff by the Sea CA 92007
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>>> "Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband Customer
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>>> OUR QUEST: To Kill the Cubicle! (SM)

---Shalommmmmmmm-------
----------------;-)---- 


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:21 PM
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> Robert Kim,
> Wireless Internet Wifi Hotspot Advisor
>
> http://wireless-internet-broadband-service.com
> https://evdo.sslpowered.com/wifi-hotspot-router.htm
> 2611 S Pacific Coast Highway 101
> Cardiff by the Sea CA 92007 : 206 984 0880
>
> >>> "Wireless Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband 
> >>> Customer
>
> Service"(tm)
>
> >>> OUR QUEST: To Kill the Cubicle! (SM)
>
> ---Shalommmmmmmm--------------------
> ---------------------------------;-)----

Is there EVDO-hardware, that works with FreeBSD? Thanks!

	-mi


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lftp is what you need. It works just fine for me.

lftp :~> help mirror
Usage: mirror [OPTS] [remote [local]]
 -R, --reverse          reverse mirror (put files)


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Who creates the /tmp/.X11-unix directory, and why?  I'm not running
x-anything on my system, but there's a directory out there that was
touched a few days ago.

-- 
Anthony


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Robert,

  Hmm - The Mac source (I assume your talking Mac OS X) would probably
be the best to start with.  It might be a very easy port to whatever
version of FreeBSD was used for the version of Mac OS X you wrote the
driver for.  FreeBSD 3.X was used as the base for the original merge
of Next code.  I don't know how much divergence there's been since then.
If your lucky with little effort a FreeBSD 3.5 or early 4.x driver might
be had.  With a bit more effort that could be ported to the current
FreeBSD source tree.

  Are you sure that the EVDO card doesen't use an off-the-shelf
ethernet or wireless controller chip already?
 
  Is there a URL for the Mac driver source code?

Ted

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Robert Kim,
> EVDO-Coverage, Verizon Agent
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> 
> 
> 
> Welll... Yes... The EVDO system technically DOES work on FREEBSD...
> BUT..
> You have to personally modify the Old Open Source Mac driver 
> to do it...
> OR.. Just mod the Linux driver...
> 
> Tell you what... Since I don't have a copy... If anyone does 
> this... And
> gets me a working driver ... I will get you a FREE EVDO card... And 3
> free months of service... Lemme know..
> 
>   X----------------
> 
> Robert Kim, Verizon Wireless Agent (TM)
> http://EVDO-Coverage.com
> 2611 S Pacific Coast Highway 101
> Cardiff by the Sea CA 92007
> 206 984 0880
> 
> >>> "Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband Customer
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> >>> OUR QUEST: To Kill the Cubicle! (SM)
> 
> ---Shalommmmmmmm-------
> ----------------;-)---- 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:21 PM
> To: Robert Kim, EVDO-Coverage, Verizon Agent
> Subject: Verizon's EVDO and FreeBSD
> 
> 
> > Robert Kim,
> > Wireless Internet Wifi Hotspot Advisor
> >
> > http://wireless-internet-broadband-service.com
> > https://evdo.sslpowered.com/wifi-hotspot-router.htm
> > 2611 S Pacific Coast Highway 101
> > Cardiff by the Sea CA 92007 : 206 984 0880
> >
> > >>> "Wireless Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband 
> > >>> Customer
> >
> > Service"(tm)
> >
> > >>> OUR QUEST: To Kill the Cubicle! (SM)
> >
> > ---Shalommmmmmmm--------------------
> > ---------------------------------;-)----
> 
> Is there EVDO-hardware, that works with FreeBSD? Thanks!
> 
> 	-mi
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timo Nisula [mailto:timo.nisula@sanisula.fi]=20
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:14 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Mic boost in FreeBSD 5.3
>=20
>=20
> How can I boost my mic? When I use my mic with skype my frend=20
> complaits=20
> my voice is so quiet? In windows I have to use mic boost options.
>=20
>  From dmesg:
> pcm0:  port 0xd800-0xd87f,0xd400-0xd4ff mem=20
> 0xe0000000-0xe0000fff irq 9 at device 6.0 on pci0
> pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
> pcm0: 

What is the mic vol when you run mixer?
If it is low try mixer -f /dev/ mic 80(or whatever)

dave

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Hi,

I am trying to run one of my installation shell script using the 
command-

bash resetapp.sh

& it gives me the error as-
'bash: not found'

How do I install bash?  I am using FreeBSD/i3b6 5.2.1

Also, whats the command to check which version of FreeBSD I am using?

Please help me out,

Thanks a lot,
macuser

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Anthony Atkielski wrote:

>Who creates the /tmp/.X11-unix directory, and why?  I'm not running
>x-anything on my system, but there's a directory out there that was
>touched a few days ago.
>
>  
>
And probably coincides with your last reboot.

$sockstat -u | grep X11

might tell you what's up.  Screensaver, perhaps?

Kevin Kinsey

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Hi,

simply go to /usr/ports/shells/bash2 and type make install

"uname -a" will give you the version infos needed.

regards


Digish Reshamwala wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to run one of my installation shell script using the command-
> 
> bash resetapp.sh
> 
> & it gives me the error as-
> 'bash: not found'
> 
> How do I install bash?  I am using FreeBSD/i3b6 5.2.1
> 
> Also, whats the command to check which version of FreeBSD I am using?
> 
> Please help me out,
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> macuser
> 
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Digish Reshamwala wrote:
> Hi,

Hi.

> How do I install bash?  I am using FreeBSD/i3b6 5.2.1

There are several ways to install software. The handbook deals with them 
quite extensively: 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html

'man pkg_add' might also be of help.

If your script doesn't require bash, you could just use /bin/sh instead.

> Also, whats the command to check which version of FreeBSD I am using?

'uname -a' works well for this.

--Tim Erlin

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Hi,

I'm trying to set up a bridge on FBSD 5.3-RELEASE with Generic kernel.
I want to bridge re0 and xl0, so I've done this:
sysctl net.link.ether.bridge.config="re0,xl0"
sysctl net.link.ether.bridge.enable=1

re0 has IP adress set while xl0 do not. Both of these interfaces has
Windows XP computers with DHCP enabled. DHCP is served by FreeBSD host,
and works just fine for both segments.

Connectivity between segments is also fine. Ping from a host on xl0
segment to re0 segment, and vice versa, is successful.

However, while host on re0 segment can communicate with FreeBSD host,
hosts on xl0 segment cannot.

Interface setup:

re0: flags=8943 mtu 1500
        options=1b
        inet6 fe80::209:5bff:fee1:219%re0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
        inet 10.0.8.46 netmask 0xfffffff0 broadcast 10.0.8.47
        ether 00:09:5b:e1:02:19
        media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX )
        status: active
xl0: flags=8943 mtu 1500
        options=9
        inet6 fe80::201:2ff:fefa:8431%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
        ether 00:01:02:fa:84:31
        media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
        status: active

Test host (flugan) on xl0 segment with IP 10.0.8.34 (MAC
00:06:5b:d4:bc:6d) pings
FreeBSD host:

# tcpdump -eni xl0

23:00:04.356411 00:06:5b:d4:bc:6d > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype ARP
(0x0806), length 60: arp who-has 10.0.8.46 tell 10.0.8.34
23:00:04.356457 00:01:02:fa:84:31 > 00:06:5b:d4:bc:6d, ethertype ARP
(0x0806), length 42: arp reply 10.0.8.46 is-at 00:01:02:fa:84:31
23:00:04.356675 00:06:5b:d4:bc:6d > 00:01:02:fa:84:31, ethertype IPv4
(0x0800), length 74: IP 10.0.8.34 > 10.0.8.46: icmp 40: echo request seq
12800
23:00:04.356727 00:09:5b:e1:02:19 > 00:06:5b:d4:bc:6d, ethertype IPv4
(0x0800), length 74: IP 10.0.8.46 > 10.0.8.34: icmp 40: echo reply seq
12800
23:00:09.428029 00:06:5b:d4:bc:6d > 00:01:02:fa:84:31, ethertype IPv4
(0x0800), length 74: IP 10.0.8.34 > 10.0.8.46: icmp 40: echo request seq
13056
23:00:09.428089 00:09:5b:e1:02:19 > 00:06:5b:d4:bc:6d, ethertype IPv4
(0x0800), length 74: IP 10.0.8.46 > 10.0.8.34: icmp 40: echo reply seq
13056

# arp -a
wintendo.realworld.kanin (10.0.8.33) at 00:0f:b5:06:67:1f on re0
[ethernet]
flugan.realworld.kanin (10.0.8.34) at 00:06:5b:d4:bc:6d on re0 [ethernet]
studsboll.realworld.kanin (10.0.8.46) at 00:09:5b:e1:02:19 on re0
permanent [ethernet]

I think this is the problem. When flugan (actually connected on xl0
segment) requests MAC address for 10.0.8.46 (FreeBSD interface re0),
FreeBSD host replies with the MAC address for the xl0 interface.

Altough, when flugan pings FreeBSD host, using the MAC address just
received, FreeBSD host replies using MAC adress of re0 (far side).

I guess the result of this is that the Windows Workstation on xl0 segment
thinks the packet is garbage and discards it. Maybe.

Maybe I've missed something important in my configuration? If this is a
kernel or bridge.ko bug I guess you would know about it already.

Please advice,

Thanks.
-- 

Rickard

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On 17 Feb Kevin Kinsey wrote:
> Anthony Atkielski wrote:
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> >Who creates the /tmp/.X11-unix directory, and why?  I'm not running
> >x-anything on my system, but there's a directory out there that was
> >touched a few days ago.
> >
> might tell you what's up.  Screensaver, perhaps?

No. The 'new' /etc/rc script does that. Kde problems after cleaning out
/tmp are solved now too. You can freely enable "clear_tmp_enable="YES"
in /etc/rc.conf again.

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On Feb 17, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> Robert,
>
>   Hmm - The Mac source (I assume your talking Mac OS X) would probably
> be the best to start with.  It might be a very easy port to whatever
> version of FreeBSD was used for the version of Mac OS X you wrote the
> driver for.

Mac OS X is not based on FreeBSD.  It has a BSD user layer and 
compatibility layer and they DO use the FreeBSD userland for their own, 
but the driver level is MUCH different.

Chad

>  FreeBSD 3.X was used as the base for the original merge
> of Next code.  I don't know how much divergence there's been since 
> then.
> If your lucky with little effort a FreeBSD 3.5 or early 4.x driver 
> might
> be had.  With a bit more effort that could be ported to the current
> FreeBSD source tree.
>
>   Are you sure that the EVDO card doesen't use an off-the-shelf
> ethernet or wireless controller chip already?
>
>   Is there a URL for the Mac driver source code?
>
> Ted
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Robert Kim,
>> EVDO-Coverage, Verizon Agent
>> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:36 PM
>> To: 'Mikhail Teterin'
>> Cc: List Free Bsd
>> Subject: RE: Verizon's EVDO and FreeBSD
>>
>>
>>
>> Welll... Yes... The EVDO system technically DOES work on FREEBSD...
>> BUT..
>> You have to personally modify the Old Open Source Mac driver
>> to do it...
>> OR.. Just mod the Linux driver...
>>
>> Tell you what... Since I don't have a copy... If anyone does
>> this... And
>> gets me a working driver ... I will get you a FREE EVDO card... And 3
>> free months of service... Lemme know..
>>
>>   X----------------
>>
>> Robert Kim, Verizon Wireless Agent (TM)
>> http://EVDO-Coverage.com
>> 2611 S Pacific Coast Highway 101
>> Cardiff by the Sea CA 92007
>> 206 984 0880
>>
>>>>> "Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband Customer
>> Service"(tm)
>>>>> OUR QUEST: To Kill the Cubicle! (SM)
>>
>> ---Shalommmmmmmm-------
>> ----------------;-)----
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mikhail Teterin [mailto:mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:21 PM
>> To: Robert Kim, EVDO-Coverage, Verizon Agent
>> Subject: Verizon's EVDO and FreeBSD
>>
>>
>>> Robert Kim,
>>> Wireless Internet Wifi Hotspot Advisor
>>>
>>> http://wireless-internet-broadband-service.com
>>> https://evdo.sslpowered.com/wifi-hotspot-router.htm
>>> 2611 S Pacific Coast Highway 101
>>> Cardiff by the Sea CA 92007 : 206 984 0880
>>>
>>>>>> "Wireless Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband
>>>>>> Customer
>>>
>>> Service"(tm)
>>>
>>>>>> OUR QUEST: To Kill the Cubicle! (SM)
>>>
>>> ---Shalommmmmmmm--------------------
>>> ---------------------------------;-)----
>>
>> Is there EVDO-hardware, that works with FreeBSD? Thanks!
>>
>> 	-mi
>>
>>
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On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 01:13:49PM -0800, Digish Reshamwala wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to run one of my installation shell script using the 
> command-
> 
> bash resetapp.sh
> 
> & it gives me the error as-
> 'bash: not found'
> 
> How do I install bash?  I am using FreeBSD/i3b6 5.2.1
> 
pkg_add -r bash
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html

> Also, whats the command to check which version of FreeBSD I am using?
> 
uname -a

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Hmmm... Anyone know how to mod either driver? 
I will supply them in my next e... Just gathering... 

X----------------
Robert Kim, 
Wireless Internet Wifi Hotspot Advisor
 
http://wireless-internet-broadband-service.com
https://evdo.sslpowered.com/wifi-hotspot-router.htm
2611 S Pacific Coast Highway 101
Cardiff by the Sea CA 92007 : 206 984 0880

>>> "Wireless Internet Service Is ONLY Broadband with Broadband Customer
Service"(tm)
>>> OUR QUEST: To Kill the Cubicle! (SM)
---Shalommmmmmmm--------------------
---------------------------------;-)---- 

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I was wondering about the status of gvinum in 5.3.

I seem to remember that there were a lot of problems with gvinum in 5.3,
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ok... i tried to send it.. but no luck.. .attachment was bounced.. so...
here are the links...
 
http://www.evdo-coverage.com/evdo-evdv-hsdpa-wimax-blackberry-vx8000-a84
0-a790.html#driver-bank
 
you'll want john bellardo's version... and Phil Karn's Linux version to
compare...
 
offer still stands... anyone who writes it get a free 5220 SuperCharged!
EVDO card AND 3 months of free service.. .
 
lemme know.. thanks.. bob

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I think this 8,4 quantum is old enough to not contain so called "spare 
sectors". So 1 bad sector means there is really only 1 bad
sector. Anyway i still cant understand, why UFS cant cope with bad blocks, 
but 1000 year old FAT, or the newer NTFS
can easyli get through the  problem.

The other problem: how should i mount "/" read-only, because i always get 
"busy" error-message?

ricsip

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On Thursday 17 February 2005 04:14 am, Timo Nisula wrote:
> How can I boost my mic? When I use my mic with skype my frend
> complaits my voice is so quiet? In windows I have to use mic boost
> options.
>
>  From dmesg:
> pcm0:  port 0xd800-0xd87f,0xd400-0xd4ff mem
> 0xe0000000-0xe0000fff irq 9 at device 6.0 on pci0
> pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
> pcm0: 

just "mixer" on the command line will give you current settings
and mixer mic 100
should max the mic but check man mixer to be sure

-Mike

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let's get straight to it:

whenever i telnet or ssh to something that's offline, i get e.g.:
ssh: hostname.domain.com: hostname nor servname provided, or not known

comeon, can't you guys at least change it to:
ssh: hostname.domain.com: unknown

thanks,
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The handbook describes a way to install freeBSD to a headless system. (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-advanced.html)

I'm used to drag'n'drop(!) my 45kg 21" spare monitor in and out from the closet to do single-user tasks. But now I want to go the serial port way.


1. Is there a way to get a serial console after the installation is done? How? (Link?)
2. Can I connect a palm to use as a console on the headless freeBSD system? How? (Link?)

Thanks!!!

//Mr Wants everything, knows nothing



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What would be a good way to create binary packages of all/most of my currently 
installed ports (without rebuilding as "make package" does)? 

I want to move my entire setup to another disk (array) and like to get rid of 
any acumulated junk in the process so best would be to get packages from my 
current system, make world and kernel on the new disk (array) and then 
install the packages or vice versa. Would save a few days of compiling.

Thanks,

Dan

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:45:36 +0100, Heinrich Rebehn
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> Hi list,
> 
> I have run into an annoying problem several times when upgrading ports.
> 
> Say, if i want to upgrade gstreamer-plugins, i do:
> 
> # cd /usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer-plugins
> # make
> 
> This pulls in some dependencies, for example gnomevfs2. gnnomevfs2 will
> compile fine, but then stops because it wants to install gnomevfs2
> instead of reinstalling it:
> 
> ===>   An older version of devel/gnomevfs2 is already installed
> (gnomevfs2-2.9.91)
>        You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
>        by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
>        If you really wish to overwrite the old port of devel/gnomevfs2
>        without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER"
>        in your environment or the "make install" command line.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Since i have run into this several times, i must be missing something
> substantial. What is it?

Just "make" will make the program and try to install it as if it were
the first time.  When it detects the older version, it will want you
to do "make deinstall && make reinstall".  For upgrading ports, you
may want to look at /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade.


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does anyone know if there is a port for this and/or has compiled php 
with aspell on a FreeBSD box?

thanks in advance,
ken;

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FreeBSD Users is a small (too small, so far :-))
informal mailing list for people who use FreeBSD.

The list is not meant to compete with the formal
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Hi,

I have user accounts in LDAP and authentication is done via pam_krb5.
nss_ldap is installed and configured in terms of /etc/nssswitch.conf.

However, when I run passwd I receive the following message:

passwd: Sorry, `passwd' can only change passwords for local or NIS users.

Judging by pam_krb5(8) this module supports the changing of passwords
and it is just passwd that is refusing to change a non-local (i.e. not
in /etc/passwd) password.

/etc/nssswitch.conf
passwd: files ldap

So, here's the question:  can I work around this?  Is there any way to
make passwd change passwords for user accounts stored in LDAP?  Maybe
this will require some hacking of passwd.c?

Thanks very much,

-Lewis Thompson.

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  Hi, i have been around reading docs about the problem we have a lot
of people went we try to access one ftp server on the Internet, 
normally the (Passive servers), in the past i was using rules on
IPFILTER(freebsd 4.10 p5, think is the 3.4.31??  the one it cames
with), my rule was:

  To block all that arrives to my tun0(IN), and let out all the
packets of my internal cients  over tun0 and keep state. it was easy,
only let my users go to outside world. My ipnat it was simply, only:

map tun0 198.168.1.0/24 -> 0/32

   With this all my clients(win2k, win98, Freebsd, win XP) where happy
and secure.

   Them i decide to change my rules be more define, i read the
handbook, and start making changes:

    Block in all over my tun0 and let out any package over my tun0 only to:
port 21, 53, 80, 443, 5999, all the handbook say, services that i know
that normally went someone surf the web he is going to connect to
those services.

   I change my nat:
   
   map tun0 198.168.1.0//24 -> proxy port 21 ftp/tcp
   map tun0 192.168.1.0/24 -> 0/32 portmap tcp/udp 20000:60000
   map tun0 192.168.1.0/24 -> 0/32


   Is ok, i can surf the web, but went i went to the freebsd server,
what happend:

   ftp: ls
           entering passive mode(bla, bla, bla) 
   ftp: connect no route to host

    Then i start searching the web about this issue and find a lot of
docs, this one say all:

http://www.unixcities.com/firewall-configuration/

    A lot of sites, here to, say that we can use the passive argument
went we call the   ftp client on freebsd, i need to check this!, And
they recomend to setup this global varible :
FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=yes, they we can make changes on login.conf, but that
file is  the one that freebsd use went we create new users, is ok, 
but what about root??? how can i change this enviromental variable
only once???

  Thanks in advanced!!!

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In theory, if my nmbclusters setting was too low, and traffic on my 
machine made nmbclusters hit its ceiling, could my machine go "deaf" to 
network connections without logging any errors in the log files?

I'm running FreeBSD 4.3.

THX

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On 02/17/05 05:47 PM, Fafa Diliha Romanova sat at the `puter and typed:
> let's get straight to it:
>=20
> whenever i telnet or ssh to something that's offline, i get e.g.:
> ssh: hostname.domain.com: hostname nor servname provided, or not known
>=20
> comeon, can't you guys at least change it to:
> ssh: hostname.domain.com: unknown
>=20
> thanks,
> fafa
> --=20

I believe the code is out there for your convenience.  Patch it and
submit the patch.  Even then, you probably won't see cosmetic changes
anytime soon.

BTW, in most cases, you should not be using telnet.

Lou
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On 02/17/05 05:47 PM, Fafa Diliha Romanova sat at the `puter and typed:
> let's get straight to it:
>=20
> whenever i telnet or ssh to something that's offline, i get e.g.:
> ssh: hostname.domain.com: hostname nor servname provided, or not known
>=20
> comeon, can't you guys at least change it to:
> ssh: hostname.domain.com: unknown
>=20
> thanks,
> fafa
> --=20

I believe the code is out there for your convenience.  Patch it and
submit the patch.  Even then, you probably won't see cosmetic changes
anytime soon.

BTW, in most cases, you should not be using telnet.

Lou
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MacConnect Home Office wrote:
> In theory, if my nmbclusters setting was too low, and traffic on my 
> machine made nmbclusters hit its ceiling, could my machine go "deaf" to 
> network connections without logging any errors in the log files?

No.  Or probably not, as you haven't mentioned which services you are running, 
but NMBCLUSTERS is supposed to be self-tuning unless you override it yourself. 
   Something like Apache or sendmail or SSH would complain about ENOBUFS/"out 
of network buffer space" errors to their logfiles if they were not able to 
listen for incoming connections.

More probably, you have some kind of intermittant hardware failure, but 
diagnosing the issue using ping and tcpdump would be a lot more useful.

> I'm running FreeBSD 4.3.

Time to update.  :-)

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On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 11:09:12PM +0100, P?sztor Rich?rd wrote:
> I think this 8,4 quantum is old enough to not contain so called "spare=20
> sectors". So 1 bad sector means there is really only 1 bad
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> but 1000 year old FAT, or the newer NTFS
> can easyli get through the  problem.

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I live in the Antelope Valley and I'd like to get more information about the 
Scrub Vendor  announcement you have. 
Ofelia De La Torre
thank you for your time.

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On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 09:36:36AM -0500, Bob Johnson wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >
> 
> 
> >>Only my personal experience.  In addition to not being
> >>comfortable with
> >>the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my
> >>Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and
> >>thus The Devil.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Man, you must have a hell of a lot of fun with these people.  What
> >do they do when you start citing biblical verses that blow the
> >crap out of their preconceptions?
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> >Ted
> >
> 
> I learned years ago that it is a waste of time.  They just say it 
> doesn't apply because .
> 
> And I thought the Ouija-board mouse pad was one of the funniest things 
> I've ever seen.

http://www.greystoneinn.net/d/20010104.html

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On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 05:47:31PM -0500, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote:
> let's get straight to it:
>=20
> whenever i telnet or ssh to something that's offline, i get e.g.:
> ssh: hostname.domain.com: hostname nor servname provided, or not known
>=20
> comeon, can't you guys at least change it to:
> ssh: hostname.domain.com: unknown
>=20
> thanks,
> fafa

Let's get straight to it:

1) 	Have a little respect.
2)	Don't cross-post excessively.
3)	Don't obfuscate hostnames in bug reports.
4)	Define "offline"; I get nothing like the behaviour that you are
	describing from a downed host, nor from a non-existent host:

	$ ssh quinch
	ssh: connect to host quinch.private.submonkey.net port 22: Operation timed=
 out
	$ ssh sdfsdfs
	ssh: sdfsdfs: No address associated with hostname
5)	Come on, can't you spell check your mail before sending it?

Thanks,

Ceri
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Since no one else seems to have replied...

On Wednesday 16 February 2005 22:36, Jasvinder S. Bahra wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've recently had a PC become available, and I would like to set it up as a
> kind of video recorder.
>
> I would like to purchase a card of some sort that would allow me to connect
> the PC to my TV, and record television programmes on the hard-drive. The
> reverse also - playing back the recording, and viewing it on the TV.
>
> Now, i've done a little research, and I understand that FreeBSD "provides
> support for PCI-based TV cards using a Brooktree Bt848/849/878/879 or a
> Conexant CN-878/Fusion 878a Video Capture Chip with the bktr(4) driver".
>
> Does anyone have any recomendations on a video capture card that would be
> suitable?

Anything Brooktree, which are most PCI cards, e.g. WinTV, Miro, Pinnacle, but 
also the more expensive ones like osprey. Do make sure to put the card in a 
PCI slot where it has sufficient ventilation. The tuner unit can get very 
warm. I have had a WinTV card that apparently had caught on fire a few years 
ago (I remember smelling something funny...).

IMHO the bad thing is that we basically only have one driver for TV cards, the 
good things are that it works very well (try video4linux, then bktr and see) 
and that the vast majority of TV cards have a bktr chip. I'm using an old 
Miro-Bt848 card now. It does freeze everything sometimes (if I could switch 
to a console it would show a panic), e.g. when changing input sources 
quickly, I think when it's reinitialized too fast, but I've seen the same 
happen on Linux and Windows. Bad firmware that never got updated would be my 
guess. Also, I always found that your tossed aside VCR cam plugged into the 
V-in of a framegrabber card makes a great webcam as well.

We have a few working TV apps, the best arguably being Fxtv which is 
especially written for the bktr driver. It works well but looks a bit 
outdated. As for more modern apps, KDETV is not ported yet (I've looked at 
it; a porter would basically have to either create an interface to our 
framegrabber/tuner/audio devices that mimics v4l or v4l2 or/and rewrite a lot 
of the other code to use FreeBSD's ioctls and other provisions instead -- 
both are doable but not trivial) and neither is Gnome's equivalent AFAIK. We 
don't have anything canned-in specifically for either Gnome or KDE at the 
time for TV viewing.

You can use (k)mplayer as a TV renderer though. If you use KDE: I've been 
experimenting a bit with using kmplayer's dcop functions to change the 
channel/frequency while running kmplayer with TV input and it seems to have 
some potential.

That's all I can tell about TV cards.

HTH,

Dan

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Forgot one thing...

> I would like to purchase a card of some sort that would allow me to connect
> the PC to my TV, and record television programmes on the hard-drive. The

Most normal VGA cards now have a TV outlet, you could use that while playing 
the video full screen in X or SVGA. Never done it myself, but I'd say you'd 
have to set up X for TV-ish horizontal and vertical frequencies (low).

Dan

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On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Joshua Lewis wrote:

> Do I need to have a *_enable="YES" line in my rc.conf in order to 
> start my
> courier-imap-pop3 and courier-imap-imap servers? Or do I have to enable
> inetd?

Josh,

It's usually a good idea to read through the start up script in 
/usr/local/etc/rc.d to see if it requires a line in /etc/rc.conf.

Just my $.02
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On Feb 17, 2005, at 3:13 PM, Digish Reshamwala wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to run one of my installation shell script using the 
> command-
>
> bash resetapp.sh
>
> & it gives me the error as-
> 'bash: not found'
>
> How do I install bash?  I am using FreeBSD/i3b6 5.2.1
>
> Also, whats the command to check which version of FreeBSD I am using?
>
> Please help me out,
>
> Thanks a lot,
> macuser

Generally, shell scripts use sh, not bash.

uname -a will give you a full output of system/kernel version.

To install bash, type the following command as root:

# cd /usr/ports/shells/bash && make install clean

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:09:47 +0100
Danny Pansters  wrote:

> What would be a good way to create binary packages of all/most of my currently 
> installed ports (without rebuilding as "make package" does)? 
> 
> I want to move my entire setup to another disk (array) and like to get rid of 
> any acumulated junk in the process so best would be to get packages from my 
> current system, make world and kernel on the new disk (array) and then 
> install the packages or vice versa. Would save a few days of compiling.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan

Hello,

The command to create packages of the ports installed in the system is pkg_create(1), it is used with the "-b" option (in this case), like this:

pkg_create -b 

The name of the installed port is as outputed by pkg_info(1).

The default format is .tar.gz (.tgz), but the "-j" option allows to use bzip2.

I made a (simple) shell script to create packages of all the ports installed in the system.

----------BEGIN----------
#!/bin/sh

# Shell script to create packages of all the ports installed in the system.
# Usage: 'sh package-ports.sh'
# Will create the packages in the current directory.

PORTS=`pkg_info | awk '{print $1}'`	# Filter the description.
NUM_PORTS=`echo "$PORTS" | awk 'END {print NR}'`
BZIP="-j"				# Use bzip2 instead of gzip.
PKGCMD="pkg_create $BZIP -b"		# Command to create package.

echo "Packaging $NUM_PORTS ports"

# Process one port at time.

for PORT in $PORTS
do
	echo "Packaging port \"$PORT\""
	$PKGCMD $PORT
done

echo "Done"

exit 0
----------END------------

To use it create a directory to store the packages (like 'mkdir packages'),
save the script there and run it with 'sh