From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 2 11:07:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FD716A4CE; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:07:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815CB43D53; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:07:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id E63F511CEE; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:07:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:07:32 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Chris Zumbrunn Message-ID: <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WhfpMioaduB5tiZL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:07:35 -0000 --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.01.01 01:24:07 +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >=20 > I did some further tweaking of the mockups: >=20 > - The FreeBSD logo text is now a bit smaller > - "The Power To Serve" slogan is back > - Left sidebar now starts with a "Get FreeBSD" section > - The "Platform" section has been moved to "Supported Platforms" > - I added some spacing between the advocacy text and the sidebars > - Changed "font-size=3D-1" in right sidebar to use "small" instead > - The dots in the grey bar are now dark grey and not linked > - Removed the link for "Overview" in the grey bar of the main page >=20 > The new versions have the following URLs: > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1c.gif > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2c.gif Very interesting, is the source available somewhere so we can look at the actualy amount of work getting this integrated into the web site? > I also added a mockup of what an even more minimalist approach could=20 > look like: >=20 > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1d.gif >=20 > This version just requires changing three lines in the css style=20 > definition and replacing the one image file. Would this be a reasonable= =20 > first step? I think it would be more interesting getting the bar thinggy integrated at the same time, since it does not look like a lot of work getting it all in at the same time. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB19X0h9pcDSc1mlERAvnSAJ9XDcL49miT6bhA8VTVp8F6a+InlACeIreR 2+d1KVW0EStBZ6VUQXTb0FY= =/e1c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 3 11:02:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399AD16A4FC for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:02:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C51A43D39 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:02:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03B2AbY006270 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:02:10 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j03B2AAQ006265 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:02:10 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:02:10 GMT Message-Id: <200501031102.j03B2AAQ006265@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:02:11 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/09/28] www/43454 www Packages hard to find, often missing o [2003/04/18] www/51135 www Problems with the mailing-lists search in o [2003/12/31] www/60770 www query-pr-summary.cgi can't find the PRs a o [2004/03/06] www/63854 www PR-web page loses text 4 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/03/07] www/35647 www www; combine query-by-number and multi-fi s [2002/05/24] www/38500 www gnats web form is overenthusiastic about o [2002/09/08] www/42558 www http://www.freebsd.org/search produces in o [2002/10/17] www/44181 www www "Release Information" organization o [2003/11/15] www/59307 www [patch] xml/xsl'ify & update publications o [2004/01/24] www/61824 www Misleading documentation on FreeBSD insta o [2004/02/29] www/63552 www Validation errors due to CAPs in attribut o [2004/03/25] www/64689 www Missing data on ftp.freebsd.org o [2004/05/22] www/67042 www FreeBSD rdf feed not valid o [2004/06/02] www/67502 www cvs-all commit message did not include al o [2004/06/04] www/67554 www man-cgi visual glitch on 3-word titles o [2004/07/26] www/69631 www please add to support list s [2004/07/30] www/69780 www query-pr-summary.cgi generates very large o [2004/08/21] www/70751 www [PATCH] www/en/where.sgml update o [2004/09/08] www/71492 www (software submission) -> development o [2004/11/05] www/73549 www Mail list archive navigation difficulty o [2004/11/05] www/73551 www List archive 'quoted-printable' corruptio f [2004/11/26] www/74395 www We would like our company listed as we us o [2004/11/26] www/74407 www Please add us to the list of FreeBSD vend o [2004/12/03] www/74651 www FreeBSD commercial software developer o [2004/12/09] docs/74889 www S_ISREG etc marcos missing from stat man 21 problems total. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 3 23:22:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0662616A4CE; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:22:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C98443D1D; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:22:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a132.otenet.gr [212.205.215.132]) j03NMBwi016036; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:22:22 +0200 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03NM7MX045060; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:22:07 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j03NM7ps045059; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:22:07 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:22:07 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-ID: <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 23:22:33 -0000 On 2005-01-02 12:07, "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote: >On 2005.01.01 01:24:07 +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >> I did some further tweaking of the mockups: >> [...] >> The new versions have the following URLs: >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1c.gif >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2c.gif > > Very interesting, is the source available somewhere so we can look at > the actualy amount of work getting this integrated into the web site? > >> I also added a mockup of what an even more minimalist approach could >> look like: >> >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1d.gif >> >> This version just requires changing three lines in the css style >> definition and replacing the one image file. Would this be a >> reasonable first step? > > I think it would be more interesting getting the bar thinggy > integrated at the same time, since it does not look like a lot of work > getting it all in at the same time. True true :) Ideally, we can add the interesting shaded bar by modifying just one file: `www/share/sgml/includes.header.sgml'. Chris, can we see the source, please? - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 00:00:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36B516A4CE; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:00:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9440443D1F; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:00:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@zumbrunn.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:59:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:00:20 +0100 To: Giorgos Keramidas , Simon L.Nielsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 00:00:24 -0000 On Jan 4, 2005, at 12:22 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2005-01-02 12:07, "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote: >> On 2005.01.01 01:24:07 +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >>> I did some further tweaking of the mockups: >>> [...] >>> The new versions have the following URLs: >>> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1c.gif >>> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2c.gif >> >> Very interesting, is the source available somewhere so we can look at >> the actualy amount of work getting this integrated into the web site? >> >>> I also added a mockup of what an even more minimalist approach could >>> look like: >>> >>> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1d.gif >>> >>> This version just requires changing three lines in the css style >>> definition and replacing the one image file. Would this be a >>> reasonable first step? >> >> I think it would be more interesting getting the bar thinggy >> integrated at the same time, since it does not look like a lot of work >> getting it all in at the same time. > > True true :) > > Ideally, we can add the interesting shaded bar by modifying just one > file: `www/share/sgml/includes.header.sgml'. > > Chris, can we see the source, please? > > - Giorgos The mockups you've seen so far had not been done in html - these have just been image mockups. I've since implemented them in html, but they are not quite finished yet. I should have them ready within the next 24h. Chris chris@czv.com +41 329 41 41 41 Chris Zumbrunn Ventures - http://www.czv.com/ Internet Application Technology - Reduced to the Maximum From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 11:32:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E3516A4CE for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:32:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 983C543D49 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:32:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nicholas_wieland@yahoo.it) Received: from unknown (HELO pixie.subbacultcha.home) (nicholas?wieland@81.211.176.221 with login) by smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 11:32:04 -0000 Received: by pixie.subbacultcha.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2C1476791; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:31:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:31:25 +0100 From: Nicholas Wieland To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050104113125.GB18684@pixie.subbacultcha.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 X-Crypto: GnuPG/1.2.6 http://www.gnupg.org/ X-GPG-Key-ID: 0DAA3925 X-GPG-Fingerprint: D3C2 DB93 DF6A 601B A32B CEB1 4020 7E71 0DAA 3925 Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nicholas Wieland List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:32:06 -0000 - Giorgos Keramidas : > True true :) > > Ideally, we can add the interesting shaded bar by modifying just one > file: `www/share/sgml/includes.header.sgml'. > > Chris, can we see the source, please? IMHO one of the problems of freebsd.org is that content is not well organized, the homepage presents a lot of links and people can be confused. I'm not criticizing Chris' work of course, but I'd like to point out that probably we need to rewrite the page _structure_ and discuss about content organization before _adding_ things. The grey bar is ok (and simple to implement with an inline list and a background-image) but IMHO it duplicates something that doesn't need to be duplicated, just improved. What are the goals of the redesign ? I'd argue that first of all FreeBSD needs a _simple_ site, usable by everyone, and an accessible site (I've seen a blind system administrator working with FreeBSD and I assure you that he works 10 times faster than me, so there's no reason to slow him down with a non-accessible website :)). Making the site "more professional" is just _one_ possible goal, as far as I'm concerned not even the most important. HAND, ngw -- checking for life_signs in -lKenny... no Oh my god, make (1) killed Kenny ! You, bastards ! nicholas_wieland-at-yahoo-dot-it From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 12:40:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F61216A4CE for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:40:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E45943D46 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:40:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04CeTHD027177 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:40:29 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j04CeT4n027176; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:40:29 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:40:29 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200501041240.j04CeT4n027176@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Tom Callway Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4498D16A4CE for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:31:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE4B43D4C for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:31:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04CVoqv029853 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:31:50 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j04CVoge029852; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:31:50 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200501041231.j04CVoge029852@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:31:50 GMT From: Tom Callway To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: www/75789: Sirius leads in the deployment, support and training of Open Source technology, including FreeBSD. X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:40:29 -0000 >Number: 75789 >Category: www >Synopsis: Sirius leads in the deployment, support and training of Open Source technology, including FreeBSD. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jan 04 12:40:29 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Tom Callway >Release: >Organization: Sirius >Environment: >Description: Sirius leads in the deployment, support and training of Open Source technology, including FreeBSD. We support organisations across Europe in their pursuit of innovative, versatile and robust technology solutions without the financial burden of software licensing. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 4 13:48:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AC916A4CF; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:48:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF1043D45; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:48:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brueffer@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (brueffer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Dm6Ep033926; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:48:06 GMT (envelope-from brueffer@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from brueffer@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j04Dm6DE033922; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:48:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from brueffer) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:48:06 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Brueffer Message-Id: <200501041348.j04Dm6DE033922@freefall.freebsd.org> To: tom.callway@siriusit.co.uk, brueffer@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/75789: Sirius leads in the deployment, support and training of Open Source technology, including FreeBSD. X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:48:07 -0000 Synopsis: Sirius leads in the deployment, support and training of Open Source technology, including FreeBSD. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: brueffer State-Changed-When: Tue Jan 4 14:47:39 CET 2005 State-Changed-Why: Added. The entry should appear on the website within 24 hours. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=75789 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 00:10:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C17816A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358D543D31 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:10:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j050ARur012162 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:10:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j050AR0r012161; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:10:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:10:27 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200501050010.j050AR0r012161@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, "Simon L.Nielsen" Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6718016A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:03:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD1843D3F for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:03:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id A120F11E12; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:03:56 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20050105000356.A120F11E12@zaphod.nitro.dk> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:03:56 +0100 (CET) From: "Simon L.Nielsen" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: www/75830: ports.cgi used ports/INDEX from CVS X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Simon L.Nielsen" List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 00:10:27 -0000 >Number: 75830 >Category: www >Synopsis: ports.cgi used ports/INDEX from CVS >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jan 05 00:10:26 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Simon L. Nielsen >Release: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: FreeBSD.org >Environment: >Description: The ports.cgi script uses the CVS version of ports/INDEX{,-5} to extract information about which ports and which ports versions existed for a particular FreeBSD release. Now that INDEX is no longer kept in CVS this won't work for 4.11, and later releases. The solution is probably to make some kind of achieve of INDEX files for old releases, like what's done for manual pages used by man.cgi, and drop using the CVS version of INDEX entirely in ports.cgi. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 01:10:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF8E16A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9114B43D39 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:10:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j051A9fY019382 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:10:09 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j051A9eB019381; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:10:09 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:10:09 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200501050110.j051A9eB019381@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, "Jorge A. Montes Perez" Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA09C16A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:01:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A69343D31 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:01:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05111xc049821 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:01:01 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j05111lE049819; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:01:01 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200501050101.j05111lE049819@www.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:01:01 GMT From: "Jorge A. Montes Perez" To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: www/75833: Missing link in 'Getting FreeBSD' page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:10:09 -0000 >Number: 75833 >Category: www >Synopsis: Missing link in 'Getting FreeBSD' page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jan 05 01:10:09 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jorge A. Montes Perez >Release: FreeBSD 5.2 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: In section 'The Packages collection': there is no link to packages-5-stable, ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5-stable but only ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-stable Should that directory be linked? >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 09:46:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3235A16A4CE; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:46:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3680243D2D; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:46:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@zumbrunn.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:45:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:46:28 +0100 To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: Giorgos Keramidas cc: "Simon L.Nielsen" Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:46:32 -0000 On Jan 4, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > On Jan 4, 2005, at 12:22 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> On 2005-01-02 12:07, "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote: >>> On 2005.01.01 01:24:07 +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >>>> I did some further tweaking of the mockups: >>>> [...] >>>> The new versions have the following URLs: >>>> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1c.gif >>>> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2c.gif >>> >>> Very interesting, is the source available somewhere so we can look at >>> the actualy amount of work getting this integrated into the web site? >>> >>>> I also added a mockup of what an even more minimalist approach could >>>> look like: >>>> >>>> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1d.gif >>>> >>>> This version just requires changing three lines in the css style >>>> definition and replacing the one image file. Would this be a >>>> reasonable first step? >>> >>> I think it would be more interesting getting the bar thinggy >>> integrated at the same time, since it does not look like a lot of >>> work >>> getting it all in at the same time. >> >> True true :) >> >> Ideally, we can add the interesting shaded bar by modifying just one >> file: `www/share/sgml/includes.header.sgml'. >> >> Chris, can we see the source, please? >> >> - Giorgos > > The mockups you've seen so far had not been done in html - these have > just been image mockups. I've since implemented them in html, but they > are not quite finished yet. I should have them ready within the next > 24h. > > Chris The html versions are now available from the following URLs: http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1e.html http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2e.html How does that look? There is also a patch http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/patch.txt but I'm not sure if it's usable. At least it should provide you with a good overview of the kind of modifications involved. 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From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 01:22:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5CD16A4CE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:22:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rboss.lod.com (rboss.lod.com [199.120.223.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B95043D45 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:22:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from todd@rboss.lod.com) Received: (qmail 20610 invoked by uid 327); 6 Jan 2005 01:22:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20050106012207.20609.qmail@rboss.lod.com> From: todd@rboss.lod.com To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:22:06 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Getting on the freebsd consultants list X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 01:22:08 -0000 Hello folks, We were wondering if we could get included on the freebsd consultants list. We are a full service UNIX & Network consulting company and have been recommending and installing FreeBSD based solutions for over 10+ years. Our main page is at: http://www.lod.com Thank you so much! Todd Lawrence LOD Communications, Inc. (800) 959-6641 -- LOD Consulting Group http://www.lod.com (800) 959-6641 -- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 01:48:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F9116A4DE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:48:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4A843D5A for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:48:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I9V00KW1H0TG3@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:48:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:48:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (mulzirak.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.149]) j061mOS7027473; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:22:06PM -0600, todd@rboss.lod.com wrote: > Hello folks,=20 >=20 > We were wondering if we could get included on the freebsd consultants lis= t. >=20 > We are a full service UNIX & Network consulting company and have been > recommending and installing FreeBSD based solutions for over 10+ years. >=20 > Our main page is at: http://www.lod.com >=20 Hi, just send me an entry similar to the other ones, including on which continent you're located. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB3JjhbHYXjKDtmC0RArHUAJwKG23KWZkoG0JFejkAprQ5ylfTTACeISks iVJp06MopAPzQA79QtUotXA= =2rkG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 19:51:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149E316A4CF; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:51:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D005343D2F; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:51:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JpCuX075753; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:51:12 GMT (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j06JpCSc075749; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:51:12 GMT (envelope-from keramida) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:51:12 GMT From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200501061951.j06JpCSc075749@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jorge@joamp.com, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/75833: Missing link in 'Getting FreeBSD' page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:51:13 -0000 Synopsis: Missing link in 'Getting FreeBSD' page State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Thu Jan 6 19:49:43 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: This should be fixed now (in revision 1.65 of www/en/where.sgml). The changes will appear online after the next scheduled web build. Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=75833 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 01:18:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BD416A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 01:18:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C14143D3F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 01:18:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stryqx@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so85321rne for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:18:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=P0KHT42sJhz8SyfUzpEDrT630/SRpoH1glRuCy3pi3PEXpfShqYdN9kLDRTFxbU6xRuA6zVyjVGrQuUyO4sjinFEVWOvJQsYkrpb2h3qanSLIuJYsbdxHG+mfffRPUH1GIEC/l/NfYKhHFXkM51AWbVQOhiF8tFtkII5jhH32bY= Received: by 10.38.102.50 with SMTP id z50mr161714rnb; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.71 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:18:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <467923c0050106171870afdb8c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:18:09 +1100 From: Chris Knight To: www@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Potential News Article - Microsoft Office 2000 on FreeBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris Knight List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:18:11 -0000 Howdy, The following link is an excellent step-by-step guide for running Microsoft Office 2000 on FreeBSD 5.3. It requires Linux to bootstrap Wine, but the end result is running MS Office 2000 on FreeBSD 5.3! -- Regards, Chris Knight From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 03:12:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00E216A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:12:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CD3843D31 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:12:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nicholas_wieland@yahoo.it) Received: from unknown (HELO pixie.subbacultcha.home) (nicholas?wieland@81.211.177.63 with login) by smtp015.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 03:12:54 -0000 Received: by pixie.subbacultcha.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E3A941F87; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:13:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:13:04 +0100 From: Nicholas Wieland To: Chris Zumbrunn Message-ID: <20050107031304.GA1938@pixie.subbacultcha.home> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 X-Crypto: GnuPG/1.2.6 http://www.gnupg.org/ X-GPG-Key-ID: 0DAA3925 X-GPG-Fingerprint: D3C2 DB93 DF6A 601B A32B CEB1 4020 7E71 0DAA 3925 cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nicholas Wieland List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:12:55 -0000 - Chris Zumbrunn : > The html versions are now available from the following URLs: > > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1e.html > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2e.html > > How does that look? > > There is also a patch http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/patch.txt but I'm > not sure if it's usable. At least it should provide you with a good > overview of the kind of modifications involved. It looks nice, thanks ! xhtml should contain content and semantics, it would be wonderful to switch to xhtml strict in the future, so keep layout and graphics out of the markup. The main reason for this separation is accessibility for people with disabilities, but it's also easier to mantain. A "menu" is nothing more than a list of links, and it should be implemented with a list of links. This is a not-tested-and-somewhat-crappy mockup that I did to explain the concept at 4 in the morning:
As you can see it's really simple, a div, a list, a few links. It's _not_ accessible, it doesn't have accesskeys and a few other things, but making it AAA compliant is simple as adding a few attributes. body { background: white; } .navbar { background: url(bar-bkg.jpg) repeat-x; height: 25px; } .navbar ul{ list-style: none; } .navbar ul li { float: left; padding: 5px 10px 5px 10px; font-size: small; } A simple CSS file named screen.css. I use floats instead of inline to render the menu, I just prefer relative positioning. If you have questions just ask. HAND, ngw -- checking for life_signs in -lKenny... no Oh my god, make (1) killed Kenny ! You, bastards ! nicholas_wieland-at-yahoo-dot-it From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 06:01:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D63E16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:01:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958EA43D3F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:01:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050107060100i9100bptdge>; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:01:01 +0000 Message-ID: <41DE259B.8090106@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:00:59 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Knight References: <467923c0050106171870afdb8c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <467923c0050106171870afdb8c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Potential News Article - Microsoft Office 2000 on FreeBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 06:01:02 -0000 Chris Knight wrote: >Howdy, > >The following link is an excellent step-by-step guide for running >Microsoft Office 2000 on FreeBSD 5.3. It requires Linux to bootstrap >Wine, but the end result is running MS Office 2000 on FreeBSD 5.3! > > > Would these be the following links?: http://caia.swin.edu.au/reports/041203A/ http://caia.swin.edu.au/reports/041129A/ From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 09:09:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610AB16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:09:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B1F43D53 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:09:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cmq7H-000JR6-8d; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:09:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:09:07 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20050107090907.GF49329@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Nikolas Britton , freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <41DBC612.2070307@nbritton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ggMi11T3lbLnZZ+m" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41DBC612.2070307@nbritton.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Beastie Shoes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:09:08 -0000 --ggMi11T3lbLnZZ+m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:48:50AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: > What's the significance of the color shoes beastie is wearing? I don't believe that there is any. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --ggMi11T3lbLnZZ+m Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB3lGzocfcwTS3JF8RAiVIAKCOk4OjyVdgQL+yqNfL/aAgfuwC2ACfZ6K6 FAKYMjg507yvZk2g1x1+rnE= =Rvfi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ggMi11T3lbLnZZ+m-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 16:31:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771AA16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:31:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27CC43D31 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:31:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20050107163118i9200itop6e>; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:31:24 +0000 Message-ID: <41DEB954.8030407@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:31:16 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ceri Davies References: <41DBC612.2070307@nbritton.org> <20050107090907.GF49329@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20050107090907.GF49329@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Beastie Shoes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:31:25 -0000 Ceri Davies wrote: >On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:48:50AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > >>What's the significance of the color shoes beastie is wearing? >> >> > >I don't believe that there is any. > >Ceri > > Yea... That's what I thought too but all (most) of the beastie logo's on the FreeBSD website have red shoes. I think the one's with the green shoes are from CSRG's BSD? and the ones with blue shoes I have no clue about... Anyways, the real reason I ask this is because I'm not thrilled about Chris Zumbrunn proposed logo change, it is 100% better then the current freebsd logo but in my mind doesn't seem to fit, so I'd like to rework and play with. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 16:57:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A4A16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:57:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFEC43D39 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:57:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CmxQl-000AAK-QD; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:57:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:57:43 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20050107165743.GK49329@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Nikolas Britton , freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <41DBC612.2070307@nbritton.org> <20050107090907.GF49329@submonkey.net> <41DEB954.8030407@nbritton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vPnpcpkNijKiMczX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41DEB954.8030407@nbritton.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Beastie Shoes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:57:45 -0000 --vPnpcpkNijKiMczX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:31:16AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: > Ceri Davies wrote: >=20 > >On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:48:50AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: > >=20 > > > >>What's the significance of the color shoes beastie is wearing? > >> =20 > >> > > > >I don't believe that there is any. > > > >Ceri > > > Yea... That's what I thought too but all (most) of the beastie logo's on= =20 > the FreeBSD website have red shoes. I think the one's with the green=20 > shoes are from CSRG's BSD? and the ones with blue shoes I have no clue=20 > about... Hmm. Most of the ones I looked at had yellow shoes, I thought. > Anyways, the real reason I ask this is because I'm not thrilled=20 > about Chris Zumbrunn proposed logo change, it is 100% better then the=20 > current freebsd logo but in my mind doesn't seem to fit, so I'd like to= =20 > rework and play with. Haven't seen it - got a reference? Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --vPnpcpkNijKiMczX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB3r+HocfcwTS3JF8RAvhLAKC3CZY/Zp0y5RaHLvAZmeyCsViatACfWbgo U5SAj+0Uje5XlHiw3moGujo= =CO6H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vPnpcpkNijKiMczX-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 17:41:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C20916A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:41:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F30643D31 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:41:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nicholas_wieland@yahoo.it) Received: from unknown (HELO pixie.subbacultcha.home) (nicholas?wieland@81.211.176.121 with login) by smtp110.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 17:41:55 -0000 Received: by pixie.subbacultcha.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 28DBC48E0; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:42:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:42:07 +0100 From: Nicholas Wieland To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050107174207.GB854@pixie.subbacultcha.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 X-Crypto: GnuPG/1.2.6 http://www.gnupg.org/ X-GPG-Key-ID: 0DAA3925 X-GPG-Fingerprint: D3C2 DB93 DF6A 601B A32B CEB1 4020 7E71 0DAA 3925 Subject: Re: Beastie Shoes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nicholas Wieland List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:41:56 -0000 - Nikolas Britton : > Anyways, the real reason I ask this is because I'm not thrilled > about Chris Zumbrunn proposed logo change, it is 100% better then the > current freebsd logo but in my mind doesn't seem to fit, so I'd like to > rework and play with. I did a little logo to use it as a placeholder, but actually I like it. http://img71.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img71&image=fbsd0qs.png HAND, ngw -- checking for life_signs in -lKenny... no Oh my god, make (1) killed Kenny ! You, bastards ! nicholas_wieland-at-yahoo-dot-it From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 18:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7871C16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:33:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EE3343D1F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:33:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@czv.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:32:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20050107165743.GK49329@submonkey.net> References: <41DBC612.2070307@nbritton.org><20050107090907.GF49329@submonkey.net> <41DEB954.8030407@nbritton.org> <20050107165743.GK49329@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <93B48604-60DA-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@czv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:33:08 +0100 To: Ceri Davies X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Beastie Shoes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:33:13 -0000 On Jan 7, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:31:16AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: >> Anyways, the real reason I ask this is because I'm not thrilled >> about Chris Zumbrunn proposed logo change, it is 100% better then the >> current freebsd logo but in my mind doesn't seem to fit, so I'd like >> to >> rework and play with. > > Haven't seen it - got a reference? Here's the ref: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=32464+0+current/freebsd- www Chris From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 18:47:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E76C16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:47:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 886FA43D3F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:47:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@zumbrunn.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:46:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20050107031304.GA1938@pixie.subbacultcha.home> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050107031304.GA1938@pixie.subbacultcha.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <90D5B698-60DC-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:47:22 +0100 To: Nicholas Wieland X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:47:26 -0000 On Jan 7, 2005, at 4:13 AM, Nicholas Wieland wrote: > xhtml should contain content and semantics, it would be wonderful to > switch > to xhtml strict in the future, so keep layout and graphics out of the > markup. The main reason for this separation is accessibility for people > with disabilities, but it's also easier to mantain. > A "menu" is nothing more than a list of links, and it should be > implemented > with a list of links. I intentionally tried to code it in a form that seemed to me as most consistent with the coding style that is already in place. I thought if I go down the clean CSS route, that may interfere more with the currently ongoing efforts to CSSify things than it would help. But I certainly agree that that should be the direction of evolution. Chris From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 01:02:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B839A16A4CE; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 01:02:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362C943D2D; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 01:02:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I9Z00CJI47NSZ@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de>; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:02:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:02:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (mulzirak.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.149]) j0812AgL011747; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:02:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))(Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FAD2842E; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:02:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 03A2122859; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:02:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:02:03 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: To: Chris Zumbrunn Message-id: <20050108010203.GC33025@unixpages.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=ZwgA9U+XZDXt4+m+; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> cc: Giorgos Keramidas cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org cc: "Simon L.Nielsen" Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 01:02:13 -0000 --ZwgA9U+XZDXt4+m+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:46:28AM +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > On Jan 4, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >=20 > >On Jan 4, 2005, at 12:22 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > >>On 2005-01-02 12:07, "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote: > >>>On 2005.01.01 01:24:07 +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > >>>>I did some further tweaking of the mockups: > >>>>[...] > >>>>The new versions have the following URLs: > >>>>http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1c.gif > >>>>http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2c.gif > >>> > >>>Very interesting, is the source available somewhere so we can look at > >>>the actualy amount of work getting this integrated into the web site? > >>> > >>>>I also added a mockup of what an even more minimalist approach could > >>>>look like: > >>>> > >>>>http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1d.gif > >>>> > >>>>This version just requires changing three lines in the css style > >>>>definition and replacing the one image file. Would this be a > >>>>reasonable first step? > >>> > >>>I think it would be more interesting getting the bar thinggy > >>>integrated at the same time, since it does not look like a lot of=20 > >>>work > >>>getting it all in at the same time. > >> > >>True true :) > >> > >>Ideally, we can add the interesting shaded bar by modifying just one > >>file: `www/share/sgml/includes.header.sgml'. > >> > >>Chris, can we see the source, please? > >> > >>- Giorgos > > > >The mockups you've seen so far had not been done in html - these have=20 > >just been image mockups. I've since implemented them in html, but they= =20 > >are not quite finished yet. I should have them ready within the next=20 > >24h. > > > >Chris >=20 > The html versions are now available from the following URLs: >=20 > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1e.html > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2e.html >=20 > How does that look? >=20 I like that, looks very good. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --ZwgA9U+XZDXt4+m+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB3zELbHYXjKDtmC0RAgd4AJ9bLYBxgZbTLECaSY0EO0lHAq1nOgCeKTQg Mslliq0W2vs5Isua7MSC7nM= =TG0c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZwgA9U+XZDXt4+m+-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 14:41:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B9316A4CE; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:41:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Kain.sumuk.de (Kain.sumuk.de [213.221.86.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C412A43D2F; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:41:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vincent@sumuk.de) Received: from Goliath.earth.sol (Goliath.earth.sol [192.168.1.6]) by Kain.sumuk.de (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j08EfWbb051405; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:41:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from vincent@sumuk.de) Received: from Goliath.earth.sol (localhost.earth.sol [127.0.0.1]) by Goliath.earth.sol (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j08EfWbO075415; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:41:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from vincent@Goliath.earth.sol) Received: (from vincent@localhost) by Goliath.earth.sol (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j08EfRdT075414; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:41:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from vincent) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:41:27 +0100 From: Martin Heinen To: Chris Zumbrunn Message-ID: <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: Giorgos Keramidas cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org cc: "Simon L.Nielsen" Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Giorgos Keramidas , "Simon L.Nielsen" List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:41:45 -0000 On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:46:28AM +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > The html versions are now available from the following URLs: > > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1e.html > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2e.html > > How does that look? I like it, but there are things I don't like: Removing underlines from hypertext links makes it impossible to tell wether a heading in the navigation columns is a link or not. We could require that all elements of the navigation are links, but I would like links in the running text to show normal behaviour (underlined and blue). Also, we are very good at hiding our search box. IMHO, the search box has to be placed in the upper right corner. We could make this corner less crowded by shortening "Select a server near you:" to "Mirrors". Then we could place a sufficiently large search box (say twenty characters) in that corner. I think, a mix between your work and Simon's work (http://simon.nitro.dk/freebsd/webexp/) will look good. I would like a header showing the logo, the language and mirror selection and maybe the gray navigation bar. Below that a two column layout is sufficient, moving the leftovers from Simon's approach into the text column. -- Marxpitn From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 16:51:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFF216A4CE; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:51:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D976843D39; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:51:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@zumbrunn.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:50:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:51:29 +0100 To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Giorgos Keramidas , "Simon L.Nielsen" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:51:31 -0000 On Jan 8, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Martin Heinen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:46:28AM +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > >> The html versions are now available from the following URLs: >> >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1e.html >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2e.html >> >> How does that look? > > I like it, but there are things I don't like: > > Removing underlines from hypertext links makes > it impossible to tell wether a heading in the > navigation columns is a link or not. We could > require that all elements of the navigation > are links, but I would like links in the running > text to show normal behaviour (underlined and blue). Modifications should probably go in the direction of removing the links on section titles in the navigation bars, so that the blue color will serve as a consistent identifier for links. If it's blue, it's a link. If it's not blue, it's not a link. > Also, we are very good at hiding our search box. > IMHO, the search box has to be placed in the upper > right corner. We could make this corner less crowded > by shortening "Select a server near you:" to > "Mirrors". Then we could place a sufficiently > large search box (say twenty characters) in that corner. Yes, that would be a good change to make in my opinion. > I think, a mix between your work and Simon's work > (http://simon.nitro.dk/freebsd/webexp/) will look good. > I would like a header showing the logo, the language > and mirror selection and maybe the gray navigation bar. > Below that a two column layout is sufficient, > moving the leftovers from Simon's approach into the > text column. Conceptually, the current FreeBSD isn't really that far from perfect. Ultimately, the horizontal navigation could contain links to the main sections, the left navigation sidebar could contain an overview of these sections with links to the various subsections, the middle column would contain advocacy content and the right sidebar would have the power to serve all the "important stuff". Chris From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 16:55:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A8316A580; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:55:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DAAF943D1D; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:55:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@zumbrunn.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:54:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <180018E8-6196-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:55:25 +0100 To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: Giorgos Keramidas cc: "Simon L.Nielsen" Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:55:26 -0000 On Jan 8, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > Conceptually, the current FreeBSD isn't really that far from perfect. That should have been "the current FreeBSD home page". FreeBSD itself of course already is perfect! ;-) Chris