From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 00:10:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851F716A41F for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:10:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FFC43D49 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:10:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j990AH6f055293 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:10:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j990AHYL055292; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:10:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:10:17 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510090010.j990AHYL055292@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Ivan Voras Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CADE16A41F for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:06:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ivoras@geri.cc.fer.hr) Received: from geri.cc.fer.hr (geri.cc.fer.hr [161.53.72.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F0343D5D for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:06:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ivoras@geri.cc.fer.hr) Received: from geri.cc.fer.hr (localhost.cc.fer.hr [127.0.0.1]) by geri.cc.fer.hr (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9903Nsw005398 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 02:03:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ivoras@geri.cc.fer.hr) Received: (from ivoras@localhost) by geri.cc.fer.hr (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id j9903NaN005397; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 02:03:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ivoras) Message-Id: <200510090003.j9903NaN005397@geri.cc.fer.hr> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 02:03:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Ivan Voras To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Cc: Subject: www/87144: New site has "Submit Bug" link under "Security advisories" X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ivan Voras List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:10:18 -0000 >Number: 87144 >Category: www >Synopsis: New site has "Submit Bug" link under "Security advisories" >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Oct 09 00:10:17 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ivan Voras >Release: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: Any >Description: The "Submit bug" link on the front page is listed under the "Security advisories" section, misleading users that it's only valid if they want to submit bugs related to security. >How-To-Repeat: See http://www.freebsd.org/ >Fix: Move "Submit bug" link to "Errata notices" section. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 00:50:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E103F16A41F for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:50:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F8B43D46 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:50:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Received: from [10.0.1.210] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j990oY1f076891; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:50:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051009095117.18246@caamora.com.au> References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051008110225.52611@caamora.com.au> <20051008181333.GF6076@freebsdmall.com> <20051009095117.18246@caamora.com.au> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 02:50:27 +0200 To: jonathan michaels From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Website accessability issues (was Re: new FreeBSD-webpage) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:50:58 -0000 At 9:51 AM +1000 2005-10-09, jonathan michaels wrote: > as > to why i and those like me do not use the available spelling checkers, > simple they are american based algorithms with dictionaries that spell > most of teh simple words that we use incoreectly and the superposition > of z for s is most silly as far as we are concerntde, it is most > difficult to understand and hence to use correctly and makes using teh > freebsd (and all american sourced/developed/uiltb) websites awkward to > say teh least. Spelling flames are never appropriate. That said, there are good spell checking (and grammar checking) programs that use (or can use) alternative dictionaries/rulesets, so this is not really a good excuse for not using them. As a result, I don't think that this is a good topic to bring into this discussion, which has been focussed on the matter of usability issues of the "new look" FreeBSD website. I will remove freebsd-stable from the set of recipients for this response, because I think this is pretty off-topic for that list. However, I must say that fixed page width is a bad idea. It causes people to scroll too much horizontally and vertically, if they have a smaller screen available to them than you've designed for (among other things, think mobile computing where many browsers may be 320 pixels wide, at best). And it doesn't make good use of the screen real estate available if your screen is larger than the page was designed for. If you can't achieve something you want with a variable page width, then I think you should change your goals rather than to force people to live with bad page design. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 04:31:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EC316A420 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:31:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sirmoo@cowbert.2y.net) Received: from cowbert.2y.net (d46h180.public.uconn.edu [137.99.46.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CA6D43D45 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:31:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sirmoo@cowbert.2y.net) Received: (qmail 21733 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Oct 2005 04:31:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:31:36 -0400 From: "Peter C. Lai" To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051009043136.GE3375@cowbert.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: link placement X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 04:31:38 -0000 I am not fond of having the /ports link in where.html instead of the main index. I personally rather like /ports better than freshports.org and I am used to navigating to it by clicking the link on the main page. Perhaps we could put it under "Shortcuts" on the main index? -- Peter C. Lai Cesium Hyperfine Enterprises http://cowbert.2y.net/ From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 04:50:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B2D16A420 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:50:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51B643D46 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:50:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j994oFYN092198 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:50:15 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j994oFgN092197; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:50:15 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:50:15 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510090450.j994oFgN092197@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Zafer Aydogan Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCDC16A420 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:42:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F04D43D46 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:42:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j994gbZl075495 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:42:37 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j994gbnQ075494; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:42:37 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510090442.j994gbnQ075494@www.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:42:37 GMT From: Zafer Aydogan To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/87152: Missing Link X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 04:50:17 -0000 >Number: 87152 >Category: www >Synopsis: Missing Link >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Oct 09 04:50:15 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Zafer Aydogan >Release: 6.0 >Organization: >Environment: i386 >Description: On the Website in german Language, following the Link "New to FreeBSD", in the Text the Link to "aktuelle Produktiv-Version" (aka " latest mainstream release" ) is missing. >How-To-Repeat: see above >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 04:50:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB88C16A421 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:50:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0B843D49 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:50:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j994oGgD092242 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:50:16 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j994oGDg092220; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:50:16 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:50:16 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510090450.j994oGDg092220@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Zafer Aydogan Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF9316A421 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:48:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3916843D46 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:48:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j994m7e1078782 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:48:07 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j994m7lV078779; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:48:07 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510090448.j994m7lV078779@www.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:48:07 GMT From: Zafer Aydogan To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/87153: Missing Links in Table www/german X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 04:50:17 -0000 >Number: 87153 >Category: www >Synopsis: Missing Links in Table www/german >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Oct 09 04:50:15 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Zafer Aydogan >Release: 6.0 >Organization: >Environment: i386 >Description: The Table on the left side, when following "New to FreeBSD" in german, contains a lot of missing Links. Like the Handbook. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: yes Please. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 05:26:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05ACB16A41F for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 05:26:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B9C143D45 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 05:26:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 27694 invoked by uid 104); 9 Oct 2005 05:26:56 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. Clear:SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL, BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3. Processed in 1.534809 secs); 09 Oct 2005 05:26:56 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -2.5 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.27.19) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 05:26:55 -0000 From: George Danchev To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:26:53 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20051008.215322.07615533.hanche@math.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: <20051008.215322.07615533.hanche@math.ntnu.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510090826.54395.danchev@spnet.net> Subject: Re: New web design, font size X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 05:26:59 -0000 On Saturday 08 October 2005 22:53, Harald Hanche-Olsen wrote: -cut-- > My second gripe is with the fixed width of the page. This gets > annoying really fast, particularly when viewed on a laptop with a very > high resolution screen. This is design mistake #9 in Jakob Nielsen's > list, referred to above. So please look into ways to make the page > width variable. It ought to be a question of setting the widths of > various design elements in percent rather than pixels. I fully agree here. --- en/layout/css/layout.css.orig Sun Oct 9 08:15:36 2005 +++ en/layout/css/layout.css Sun Oct 9 08:15:50 2005 @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ #CONTAINER, #container { margin: 0em auto; - width: 765px; + width: 95%; padding: 0; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 15px; Not sure if that suffice as fix though. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 07:00:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFAB16A488 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:00:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CEB43D46 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:00:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9970b6Q007235 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:00:37 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9970bL2007234; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:00:37 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:00:37 GMT Message-Id: <200510090700.j9970bL2007234@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: "Simon L. Nielsen" Cc: Subject: Re: www/87144: New site has "Submit Bug" link under "Security advisories" X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Simon L. Nielsen" List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:00:37 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/87144; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Ivan Voras Subject: Re: www/87144: New site has "Submit Bug" link under "Security advisories" Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:57:15 +0200 --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.09 02:03:23 +0200, Ivan Voras wrote: >=20 > The "Submit bug" link on the front page is listed under the "Security > advisories" section, misleading users that it's only valid if they want > to submit bugs related to security. This sounds like a good idea to me. Objections/comments from other freebsd-www people? --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSL9Kh9pcDSc1mlERArrrAJ92ml0Ufpvvacg3/aXkHB8xVNWvmwCcDatc 9MONst4kTUEJ14Z2IjZoa2s= =MJgC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 07:01:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB3216A421 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:01:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 174FF43D5C for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:01:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 24465 invoked by uid 104); 9 Oct 2005 07:01:28 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. 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Processed in 2.561401 secs); 09 Oct 2005 07:01:28 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -2.5 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.27.19) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 07:01:25 -0000 From: George Danchev To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:01:24 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20051008.215322.07615533.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <200510090826.54395.danchev@spnet.net> In-Reply-To: <200510090826.54395.danchev@spnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510091001.25167.danchev@spnet.net> Subject: Re: New web design, font size X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:01:34 -0000 On Sunday 09 October 2005 08:26, George Danchev wrote: > On Saturday 08 October 2005 22:53, Harald Hanche-Olsen wrote: > -cut-- > > > My second gripe is with the fixed width of the page. This gets > > annoying really fast, particularly when viewed on a laptop with a very > > high resolution screen. This is design mistake #9 in Jakob Nielsen's > > list, referred to above. So please look into ways to make the page > > width variable. It ought to be a question of setting the widths of > > various design elements in percent rather than pixels. > > I fully agree here. > > --- en/layout/css/layout.css.orig Sun Oct 9 08:15:36 2005 > +++ en/layout/css/layout.css Sun Oct 9 08:15:50 2005 > @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ > > #CONTAINER, #container { > margin: 0em auto; > - width: 765px; > + width: 95%; > padding: 0; > padding-top: 0px; > padding-bottom: 15px; > > Not sure if that suffice as fix though. It's certainly not enough. Here is a slightly more complete approach, trying to preserve the original ratios as much as possible, but it is hard when you should dig of which base this ratio depends on. http://www.bg.freebsd.org/~danchev/patches/02_adaptwidth.diff -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 10:42:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14EC16A41F; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:42:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C90A43D45; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:42:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1EOYdf-0005o1-0A; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 11:42:43 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:42:42 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20051009104242.GZ99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Murray Stokely , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org References: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kUmJ0kIGcKOYePjT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 10:42:45 -0000 --kUmJ0kIGcKOYePjT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:24:48AM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > The recent mail about not being able to find the status reports page > points out how useless our search box is. In this case a search for > 'status reports' will have the correct link in the third position, > which is actually better than most queries. There should be loads of > 'status reports' anchor text pointing to that page so more advanced > search engines would rank it first. >=20 > Is there any reason not to ditch search.cgi and move to a Yahoo! > search bar for the site? I would prefer Google (though I fully understand that politically we should go for Yahoo!). I'd also prefer it if we looked at this as an interim solution. And a pony ;) Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --kUmJ0kIGcKOYePjT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSPQiocfcwTS3JF8RAtXjAJ90oQ3v9BxukDQGXToftsynDsbNFgCfVuKa +rbkVajw10g/P4kA/LoWK54= =ggvu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kUmJ0kIGcKOYePjT-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 10:44:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB3416A41F for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:44:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918C543D45 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:44:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1EOYfb-000OHC-Gg; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 11:44:43 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:44:43 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Vladimir Chukharev Message-ID: <20051009104443.GA99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Vladimir Chukharev , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org References: <200510082120.j98LKKdd020226@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FCPLy5NpE1Kdjj9y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510082120.j98LKKdd020226@freefall.freebsd.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/87119: [patch] encode copyright and such symbolically X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 10:44:45 -0000 --FCPLy5NpE1Kdjj9y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 09:20:20PM +0000, Vladimir Chukharev wrote: > The following reply was made to PR www/87119; it has been noted by GNATS. >=20 > From: "Vladimir Chukharev" > To: bug-followup@freebsd.org > Cc: =20 > Subject: Re: www/87119: [patch] encode copyright and such symbolically > Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:11:19 +0300 >=20 > After I had sent the PR I realized the patch is for the wrong file - > it's index.xsl to be patched, not index.html. > =20 > The xsl file has all the special symbols written the same way, > as &#nnnn; and some of them are kept in this format in > the html file, while the others are transformed to > just a byte with the given code. > =20 > I do not know how to fix this right. Can the entities > ©, ® etc be used in xsl files? I think this form > is better than &#nnnn;, at least in html files. No, they can't; that's why it's this way. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --FCPLy5NpE1Kdjj9y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSPSbocfcwTS3JF8RAvqXAJsFGQ8JlpQ6/Xzhi9AxMOCIgauMrACZAfjh vUkHfmIU/uFRG4rWfWpXTYc= =7HFv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FCPLy5NpE1Kdjj9y-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 13:03:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A2616A41F; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:03:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAFB43D48; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:03:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99D3Sfi054982; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:03:28 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j99D3SsX054976; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:03:28 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:03:28 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510091303.j99D3SsX054976@freefall.freebsd.org> To: chu@h33.erkki.ton.tut.fi, remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87119: [patch] encode copyright and such symbolically X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:03:29 -0000 Synopsis: [patch] encode copyright and such symbolically State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: remko State-Changed-When: Sun Oct 9 13:02:11 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: As ceri noticed; this is not possible within our xsl sheets. Therefor we cannot do anything with this. Close the PR. Thanks for the notice however! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Oct 9 13:02:11 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I touched this last; make me responsible. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87119 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 13:08:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594B016A420; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:08:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134F643D48; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:08:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99D8DBb059821; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:08:13 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j99D8D9P059817; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:08:13 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:08:13 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510091308.j99D8D9P059817@freefall.freebsd.org> To: f.engelhardt@gmx.net, remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/84675: Dangling symlinks X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:08:14 -0000 Synopsis: Dangling symlinks State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: remko State-Changed-When: Sun Oct 9 13:06:17 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: I am very sorry but we cannot do very much about this. The translation teams are responsible for the local translation and they might just not have finished this yet. Close this PR since it's out of my hands. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Oct 9 13:06:17 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Make me responsible for this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=84675 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 14:19:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F384116A41F for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:19:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pawel.worach@gmail.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBBB43D46 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:19:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pawel.worach@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a39so920991qbd for ; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:19:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cTYLhDH6Fhs4/nm5sxYtGNneOYMkOAwjXinFrjfMrUAppq6SZ4Ill0P4tzKyRyn17977+jnKJMUzJKjpRHWZ2eSR6+uK0XoAwWGGuxFAj2BjxelD+b52VONJOCJOQoKsyXly/oWLs2yTL6lELRj1ZKwGGuADpN7u7tvtHWOAIMY= Received: by 10.65.105.10 with SMTP id h10mr1985215qbm; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.143? ( [80.217.193.226]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q19sm352158qbq.2005.10.09.07.19.23; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <434926E7.6040806@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 16:19:19 +0200 From: Pawel Worach User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4.1 (X11/20051009) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [patch] "Upcoming Release 6.0-BETA5" anchor link broken. X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:19:28 -0000 Seems like they are case sensitive so http://www.freebsd.org/where.html#HELPTEST doesn't work, but http://www.freebsd.org/where.html#helptest works. Index: en/index.xsl =================================================================== RCS file: /export/ctm/cvs/www/en/index.xsl,v retrieving revision 1.135 diff -u -r1.135 index.xsl --- en/index.xsl 8 Oct 2005 09:26:48 -0000 1.135 +++ en/index.xsl 9 Oct 2005 14:13:41 -0000 @@ -98,7 +98,7 @@
  • - Upcoming Release + Upcoming Release
    • -- Pawel From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 14:44:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4FE16A41F for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:44:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markus@trippelsdorf.de) Received: from blue-ld-033.synserver.de (blue-ld-033.synserver.de [217.119.50.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBEC943D48 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:44:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markus@trippelsdorf.de) Received: (qmail 6066 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2005 14:44:52 -0000 X-SynServer-RemoteDnsName: port-212-202-34-162.dynamic.qsc.de X-SynServer-AuthUser: markus@trippelsdorf.de Received: from port-212-202-34-162.dynamic.qsc.de (HELO bsd.trippelsdorf.de) (212.202.34.162) by mx-05.synserver.de with SMTP; 9 Oct 2005 14:44:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:44:51 +0200 From: Markus Trippelsdorf To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051009144451.GA1174@bsd.trippelsdorf.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Link Styles X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:44:55 -0000 --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Links on the newly designed homepage are always underlined. This is a typographical nightmare. It also ignores the preferences which the user has made in his or her browser. So please consider the attached patch: The modified style sheet will still underline links for users you like them, but produce a more readable result for users who switched them off in their browsers. --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="text.css_patch" --- text_old.css Sun Oct 9 16:15:02 2005 +++ text.css Sun Oct 9 16:26:33 2005 @@ -95,15 +95,15 @@ /* Link Styles */ -a:link { color:#990000; text-decoration: underline; } -a:visited { color:#990000; text-decoration: underline; } -a:active { color:#990000; text-decoration: underline; } -a:hover { color:#000000; text-decoration: underline; } +a:link { color:#990000; } +a:visited { color:#990000; } +a:active { color:#990000; } +a:hover { color:#000000; } -#FOOTER a:link, #footer a:link { color:#666; text-decoration: underline; } -#FOOTER a:visited, #footer a:visited { color:#666; text-decoration: underline; } -#FOOTER a:active, #footer a:active { color:#666; text-decoration: underline; } -#FOOTER a:hover, #footer a:hover { color:#000000; text-decoration: underline; } +#FOOTER a:link, #footer a:link { color:#666; } +#FOOTER a:visited, #footer a:visited { color:#666; } +#FOOTER a:active, #footer a:active { color:#666; } +#FOOTER a:hover, #footer a:hover { color:#000000; } #FRONTNEMSCONTAINER h2, #frontnemscontainer h2 { margin: 0; --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 16:15:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A5516A41F for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:15:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C7543D45 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:15:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1EOdpY-000Ciu-Sc; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:15:20 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:15:20 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Pawel Worach Message-ID: <20051009161520.GB99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Pawel Worach , www@freebsd.org References: <434926E7.6040806@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="q/d9vTEvvdeKbPNw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <434926E7.6040806@gmail.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [patch] "Upcoming Release 6.0-BETA5" anchor link broken. X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 16:15:49 -0000 --q/d9vTEvvdeKbPNw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 04:19:19PM +0200, Pawel Worach wrote: > Seems like they are case sensitive so > http://www.freebsd.org/where.html#HELPTEST doesn't work, but > http://www.freebsd.org/where.html#helptest works. Doh. Fixed in CVS; thanks. Might take a while to hit the site proper (~24 hours). Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --q/d9vTEvvdeKbPNw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSUIYocfcwTS3JF8RAr0MAJ9ZEeuzQFsYi2Ph58/33C1kivbFiwCghfS6 aG3/0FA4L/WDm97pXspPiBk= =w/Yh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --q/d9vTEvvdeKbPNw-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 9 16:45:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1F816A41F for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:45:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D2E43D4C for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:45:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 831841CC67; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:45:37 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: jonathan michaels Message-ID: <20051009164537.GA74454@freebsdmall.com> References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051008110225.52611@caamora.com.au> <20051008181333.GF6076@freebsdmall.com> <20051009095117.18246@caamora.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051009095117.18246@caamora.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: Brad Knowles , freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Website accessability issues (was Re: new FreeBSD-webpage) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 16:45:38 -0000 On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 09:51:17AM +1000, jonathan michaels wrote: > if that is the case then why is teh freebsd website as it is now so > disabled hostile ? Please see the next sentence of my original email, where I asked you to tell us what you want changed. > > The new site continues the move away from HTML 3.2 era visual tags > > that we've been working on for several years. It is supposed to be > > the addition of java, javascript and some odd xml that for the time > being lynx just (graciously) steps over, fortunately for me (us text > console users, hampered or not). What odd XML are you referring to? Most users haven't reported problems with lynx. What is the problem with the javascript that you are having? Your browser should just ignore it. > > more accessible than the old site. If there are regressions then > > please post them to freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org so we can fix them. > > is this going to be the usual humilliate teh messenger because we > cannot speak/type the american english like a native ???? yes, i do What on earth does this have to do with the sentence above that you are replying to? This whole rant has nothing to do with anything that I said. Did it accidentally get cut and pasted in from another message? Your mail is really confusing to me. It was so long yet contained so little relevant information. I am not interested in anything about your personal life, just about improving the site. If you can send a reply without personal details but with specific changes / suggestions about the site, then that would be great. Thanks, - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 06:36:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A7316A41F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:36:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F4743D58; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:36:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2958617A; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:36:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -4.5/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D7D6176; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E11FC33C3E; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:36:15 +0200 (CEST) To: www@freebsd.org From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:36:15 +0200 Message-ID: <861x2t280w.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Cc: Subject: width of #container X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:36:23 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The attached patch addresses an issue that seems to annoy a lot of people on -developers: it changes the width of #container from a fixed 765px to a more flexible 75%. Any objections? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=layout.diff Index: en/layout/css/layout.css =================================================================== RCS file: /home/dcvs/www/en/layout/css/layout.css,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 layout.css --- en/layout/css/layout.css 6 Oct 2005 19:46:52 -0000 1.4 +++ en/layout/css/layout.css 10 Oct 2005 06:33:10 -0000 @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ #CONTAINER, #container { margin: 0em auto; - width: 765px; + width: 75%; padding: 0; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 15px; --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 08:04:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997D416A41F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:04:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AD243D48; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:04:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 58A751CC67; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:04:04 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Ceri Davies , Murray Stokely , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051010080404.GF8780@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> <20051009104242.GZ99170@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051009104242.GZ99170@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:04:04 -0000 On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 11:42:42AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > I would prefer Google (though I fully understand that politically we > should go for Yahoo!). I'd also prefer it if we looked at this as an > interim solution. And a pony ;) Hah. Someone other than me would need to drive this, for political reasons. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 09:16:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD8016A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:16:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F8743D49 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:16:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1EOtlV-000Onq-5L; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:16:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:16:13 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav Message-ID: <20051010091612.GG99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , www@freebsd.org References: <861x2t280w.fsf@xps.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G32kpiKURVjWs3Ul" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <861x2t280w.fsf@xps.des.no> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: width of #container X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:16:14 -0000 --G32kpiKURVjWs3Ul Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 08:36:15AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > The attached patch addresses an issue that seems to annoy a lot of > people on -developers: it changes the width of #container from a fixed > 765px to a more flexible 75%. Any objections? Does keramida's idea of using min-width as well work? If so, I prefer that. Ceri > Index: en/layout/css/layout.css > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /home/dcvs/www/en/layout/css/layout.css,v > retrieving revision 1.4 > diff -u -r1.4 layout.css > --- en/layout/css/layout.css 6 Oct 2005 19:46:52 -0000 1.4 > +++ en/layout/css/layout.css 10 Oct 2005 06:33:10 -0000 > @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ > =20 > #CONTAINER, #container { > margin: 0em auto; > - width: 765px; > + width: 75%; > padding: 0; > padding-top: 0px; > padding-bottom: 15px; --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --G32kpiKURVjWs3Ul Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSjFcocfcwTS3JF8RAlvdAJ9yowO4OdUJpjEqW/dH1QSBl24c6gCff48d x4F73TKPsesczEOT2xtE+k8= =z/OH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --G32kpiKURVjWs3Ul-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 09:28:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D950216A41F for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: width of #container X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:28:32 -0000 LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQ0KSGFzaDogU0hBMQ0KDQpkZXNAZGVz Lm5vIChEYWctRXJsaW5nIFNt+HJncmF2KSB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBUaGUgYXR0YWNoZWQgcGF0Y2gg YWRkcmVzc2VzIGFuIGlzc3VlIHRoYXQgc2VlbXMgdG8gYW5ub3kgYSBsb3Qgb2YNCj4gcGVvcGxl IG9uIC1kZXZlbG9wZXJzOiBpdCBjaGFuZ2VzIHRoZSB3aWR0aCBvZiAjY29udGFpbmVyIGZyb20g YSBmaXhlZA0KPiA3NjVweCB0byBhIG1vcmUgZmxleGlibGUgNzUlLiAgQW55IG9iamVjdGlvbnM/ DQoNCkknZCBwcmVmZXIgc29tZXRoaW5nIGFib3ZlIDk1JS4NCg0KSU1ITyB3YXN0aW5nIDI1JSBm b3Igd2hpdGUgc3BhY2UsIGVzcGVjaWFsbHkgIGlmIHRoZSBicm93c2VyIHdpbmRvdw0KaXMgc21h bGwsIGlzIHN0aWxsIHRvbyBtdWNoLiANCg0KSWYgdGhlIHVzZXIgY29uc2lkZXJzIGxvbmcgbGlu ZXMgaGFyZCB0byByZWFkLCBoZSBjYW4gYWx3YXlzDQpyZXNpemUgaGlzIGJyb3dzZXIgd2luZG93 IHRvIGZpdCBoaXMgbmVlZHMuDQoNCkZhYmlhbg0KLSAtLSANCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZmFiaWFua2Vp bC5kZS8NCi0tLS0tQkVHSU4gUEdQIFNJR05BVFVSRS0tLS0tDQpWZXJzaW9uOiBHbnVQRyB2MS40 LjAgKEZyZWVCU0QpDQoNCmlEOERCUUZEU2pSeGpWOEdBNHJNS1VRUkFtMjhBS0ROVWN1c1B4N25s WEJOTzlSSFl5czVxa01aYUFDZUp4VEQNCjhhc3ZsQ2NjMzc2VDU4MHFPRGh2Sm53PQ0KPTZqZkQN Ci0tLS0tRU5EIFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQ0K From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 09:35:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EBF16A420; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:35:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C4343D48; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:35:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1EOu4X-000Gij-Tp; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:35:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:35:53 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Peter Jeremy Message-ID: <20051010093553.GI99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Peter Jeremy , freebsd-www@freebsd.org, hrs@FreeBSD.org References: <20051008100325.GY72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <20051008110155.GW99170@submonkey.net> <20051008232727.GB223@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FYos7FMnk2wAe7eG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051008232727.GB223@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, hrs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Building a local copy of www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:35:56 -0000 --FYos7FMnk2wAe7eG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 09:27:27AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > I found another problem triggered by a local change I've made: I have > my troffrc set for A4 paper (.pl 29.7c) and this causes > doc/share/images/books/handbook/advanced-networking/net-routing.eps to > fail with reports of "blank page!!" and "no bounding box". The > problem appears to be that "groff net-routing.pic" results in a small > picture right at the top of the page - apparently above the 11" point. > When "-sPAPERSIZE=3Dletter" is specified during the EPS conversion, the > picture is cropped off, resulting in a blank page. Is there a > particular reason for explicitly specifying the papersize in the EPS > conversion? The ps2epsi script doesn't bother doing this. The commit log for that line of doc.images.mk says: revision 1.26 date: 2003/12/30 21:41:17; author: hrs; state: Exp; lines: +32 -8 Fix problems when ghostscript with A4=3Dyes is used. I remember those problems with ghostscript, but the problems you're describing presumably weren't apparent. If you try removing that argument from doc.images.mk, do you end up with sensible output? Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --FYos7FMnk2wAe7eG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSjX5ocfcwTS3JF8RAsMyAJ0XrbvRNATUs3+i1gXAjl4HpaOFWgCgnNVO 44NxqFeopdmdl8ZW5q0O+EI= =Cx4L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FYos7FMnk2wAe7eG-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 10:09:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A3616A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:09:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F0543D45 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:09:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C86617E; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:09:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -4.5/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AB5617A; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4177733C3E; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:09:33 +0200 (CEST) To: Fabian Keil References: <861x2t280w.fsf@xps.des.no> <20051010112915.3be7419c@localhost> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:09:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20051010112915.3be7419c@localhost> (Fabian Keil's message of "Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:29:15 +0200") Message-ID: <863bn9lm3m.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: width of #container X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:09:38 -0000 Fabian Keil writes: > IMHO wasting 25% for white space, especially if the browser window > is small, is still too much. Giorgos's suggestion (using min-width to set a lower bound) should take care of small browser windows. > If the user considers long lines hard to read, he can always > resize his browser window to fit his needs. It's not about long lines, it's about space and visual balance. Open any book and you'll see that the text does not run to the edge of the page. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 10:26:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E8D16A420 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:26:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B97C43D45 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:26:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from flame.pc (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with SMTP id j9AAQIbc016273 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:26:20 +0300 Received: from flame.pc (flame [127.0.0.1]) by flame.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AAPBBY002704 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:25:11 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by flame.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j9AAPBiG002703 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:25:11 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:25:11 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051010102511.GC2617@flame.pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:26:27 -0000 Bearing in mind that: * min-width is a CSS 2.X (but not CSS 1.X) attribute * it may improve the resizing of our front page * the following mini-quote from a discussion me and des@ took part in # Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:21:17 +0300 # From: Giorgos Keramidas # # On 2005-10-10 12:03, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: # >Giorgos Keramidas writes: # >> How about specifying a minimum of 765px and then a width of 75%? # >> # >> min-width: 765px; # >> width: 75%; # >> # >> That should do the trick. # > # > Ah, I didn't know about min-width; it's not in CSS1. # # You're right, of course. It is part of CSS 2.X. I'm not sure what is # the CSS standards level we want to be compatible with, so I'll have to # ask the folks at freebsd-www about using min-width or other CSS 2.X # attributes. What is our current policy (assuming we actually _have_ one) about using CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes in stylesheets for the web site? - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 10:32:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349E316A41F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:32:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0803343D46; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:32:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1EOuwx-000EIs-6q; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:32:07 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:32:07 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20051010103207.GM99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <20051010102511.GC2617@flame.pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9H9VVCLI5QJPfUsZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051010102511.GC2617@flame.pc> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:32:09 -0000 --9H9VVCLI5QJPfUsZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:25:11PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Bearing in mind that: >=20 > * min-width is a CSS 2.X (but not CSS 1.X) attribute > * it may improve the resizing of our front page > * the following mini-quote from a discussion me and des@ took part in >=20 > # Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:21:17 +0300 > # From: Giorgos Keramidas > # > # On 2005-10-10 12:03, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > # >Giorgos Keramidas writes: > # >> How about specifying a minimum of 765px and then a width of 75%? > # >> > # >> min-width: 765px; > # >> width: 75%; > # >> > # >> That should do the trick. > # > > # > Ah, I didn't know about min-width; it's not in CSS1. > # > # You're right, of course. It is part of CSS 2.X. I'm not sure what is > # the CSS standards level we want to be compatible with, so I'll have to > # ask the folks at freebsd-www about using min-width or other CSS 2.X > # attributes. >=20 > What is our current policy (assuming we actually _have_ one) about using > CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes in stylesheets for the web site? I think it's probably OK. They'll just get ignored by browsers that don't understand them, and the alternative in this instance is to not include it any way as I understand it. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --9H9VVCLI5QJPfUsZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSkMmocfcwTS3JF8RAsHJAJ9Sy7gFXAncfrhoW8v3VxMwDqPWfgCglSjn oleskfxsm/A/FCsZSbWlWsE= =TlpP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9H9VVCLI5QJPfUsZ-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 11:02:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D487D16A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:02:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6981043D46 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:02:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AB2KVe051555 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:02:20 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9AB2IZ6051544 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:02:18 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:02:18 GMT Message-Id: <200510101102.j9AB2IZ6051544@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:02:21 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. 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From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 11:26:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16E916A41F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:26:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail20.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail20.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05BB43D69; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:26:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail20.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9ABQiRv028632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:26:47 +1000 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9ABQiHh002922; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:26:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j9ABQi9Q002921; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:26:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:26:44 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Ceri Davies , freebsd-www@freebsd.org, hrs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051010112644.GB2482@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <20051008100325.GY72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <20051008110155.GW99170@submonkey.net> <20051008232727.GB223@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <20051010093553.GI99170@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051010093553.GI99170@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Subject: Re: Building a local copy of www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:26:57 -0000 On Mon, 2005-Oct-10 10:35:53 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: >On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 09:27:27AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >> I found another problem triggered by a local change I've made: I have >> my troffrc set for A4 paper (.pl 29.7c) and this causes >> doc/share/images/books/handbook/advanced-networking/net-routing.eps to >> fail with reports of "blank page!!" and "no bounding box". The >> problem appears to be that "groff net-routing.pic" results in a small >> picture right at the top of the page - apparently above the 11" point. To be precise, the bottom of the net-routing boxes are at 794pt. The top of a letter page is 792pt. >> When "-sPAPERSIZE=letter" is specified during the EPS conversion, the >> picture is cropped off, resulting in a blank page. Is there a >> particular reason for explicitly specifying the papersize in the EPS >> conversion? The ps2epsi script doesn't bother doing this. > >The commit log for that line of doc.images.mk says: Sorry for not explicitly mentioning doc.images.mk. > revision 1.26 > date: 2003/12/30 21:41:17; author: hrs; state: Exp; lines: +32 -8 > Fix problems when ghostscript with A4=yes is used. > >I remember those problems with ghostscript, but the problems you're >describing presumably weren't apparent. If you try removing that >argument from doc.images.mk, do you end up with sensible output? I have "A4=yes" and "PAPERSIZE=a4" in my /etc/make.conf. In addition, I have the above patch to troffrc and the following patch to the groff build: RCS file: /usr/ncvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/Makefile.inc,v retrieving revision 2.11 diff -u -r2.11 Makefile.inc --- Makefile.inc 10 Jun 2005 07:06:07 -0000 2.11 +++ Makefile.inc 4 Aug 2005 09:13:15 -0000 @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ # Define `page' to be letter if your PostScript printer uses 8.5x11 # paper (USA) and define it to be A4, if it uses A4 paper (rest of the # world). -PAGE=letter +PAGE=A4 # Normally the Postscript driver, grops, produces output that conforms # to version 3.0 of the Adobe Document Structuring Conventions. The Makefile.inc patch controls the content of the various DESC files the relevant one here being /usr/share/groff_font/devps/DESC. I've worked through the various combinations with the following results: +----- ".pl 29.7c" in /usr/share/tmacs/troffrc | +--- "papersize a4" in /usr/share/groff_font/devps/DESC | | +- "-sPAPERSIZE=letter" in doc.images.mk V V V Y Y Y ghostscript reports "blank page" Y Y N OK Y N Y OK Y N N ghostscript dies "Error: /rangecheck in --.getbitsrect--" N Y Y ghostscript reports "blank page" N Y N OK N N Y OK N N N ghostscript dies "Error: /rangecheck in --.getbitsrect--" I've tried fiddling with various other paper sizes in ghostscript and can't find a combination that works in all cases. Given that I've change my base system configuration, I suspect that I'll need to put up with patching my doc.images.mk as well. I don't understand why ghostscript is happy to have "-sPAPERSIZE=letter" with A4 input but blows up with "-sPAPERSIZE=a4" (or legal or archA or specifying mixed widths and heights) when fed letter input. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 11:44:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E76C16A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:44:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martin.gumucio@gmail.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F0743D45 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:44:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martin.gumucio@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a39so1088846qbd for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:44:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UA9AEonSKDEepVXox1oWKqYDrZYob7hswA7ErztVFdNexQqi+bIYp7pWnwJOHttBraeH1mkelXNM8DmDCyW/T/XcXbqRyPDcOGcc6trV92rgpHaxdGJ8jueV5YgeQOTU3lixQ6KDRYSF52vyUviqDGDni9X4FlwAhrzxjVSekjU= Received: by 10.65.97.8 with SMTP id z8mr2520340qbl; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.113.19 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ed373710510100444q1a8b1eb8ueaf9e1acd55fc8dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:44:00 +0200 From: Martin Gumucio To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051008110225.52611@caamora.com.au> Cc: Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:44:02 -0000 My congrats to the webdesigners and the Freebsd community, for the great looking new webpage! I find it infomative, easily navigated and it even looks good in lynx. What more can you ask for? Good job! // Martin Gumucio From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 11:45:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D38A16A41F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:45:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from q@galgenberg.net) Received: from wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD5C43D5D; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:45:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from q@galgenberg.net) Received: from wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.34]) by wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D137C13F0E3; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from virusscan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21B1B4AF6; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.28]) by wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9E6B4AC3; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from frodo.galgenberg.net (wwsx14.win-screen.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.253.14]) by wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A0D13F0E5; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from coyote.q.local (gb-21-237.galgenberg.net [172.16.21.237]) by frodo.galgenberg.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ABjNmY047909; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from q@galgenberg.net) Received: from roadrunner.q.local (vpn [10.0.0.2]) by coyote.q.local (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ABjMnI030450; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from q@galgenberg.net) Received: from roadrunner.q.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roadrunner.q.local (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ABjIr6002872; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from q@galgenberg.net) Received: (from q@localhost) by roadrunner.q.local (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j9ABjHlr002871; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from q@galgenberg.net) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:17 +0200 From: Ulrich Spoerlein To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051010114517.GC995@galgenberg.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org References: <20051006111750.GT72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <200510061447.j96Elkjm015555@fire.jhs.private> <20051006150053.GA67408@kierun.org> <20051006151854.GH39538@pc5-179.lri.fr> <43456E97.2020604@chillt.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/Uq4LBwYP4y1W6pO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43456E97.2020604@chillt.de> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (Rechenzentrum Universitaet Wuerzburg) Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:45:33 -0000 --/Uq4LBwYP4y1W6pO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 06.10.2005 at 20:36:07 +0200, Bartosz Fabianowski wrote: > >monitor are wider than taller, why restrain horizontal space ? >=20 > A fixed width design is very fashionable these days and you see it creepi= ng up everywhere.=20 > It's what's considered "professional" these days, so I can't really blame= anybody trying to=20 > appear professional for choosing it. But I still think that this is a bad= trend. On my wide=20 > screen laptop, 50% of the screen are wasted blank space. Fixed width is stupid. Period. I'd appreciate it if this could be changed to a relative width of the central column OR a fixed width of the borders. Also, the width for the fonts either assumes pixel width or uses fixed point width. Since I'm pretty sure no one will understand what I'm talking about, have a look at this [1]. Note how the Support and languages wrap around. This is because my DPI of: screen #0: print screen: no dimensions: 1680x1050 pixels (331x210 millimeters) resolution: 129x127 dots per inch [1] http://www.galgenberg.net/~q/freebsd.org.png I'll take a look at the CSS stuff, but I'm no expert ... Ulrich Spoerlein --=20 PGP Key ID: F0DB9F44 Encrypted mail welcome! Fingerprint: F1CE D062 0CA9 ADE3 349B 2FE8 980A C6B5 F0DB 9F44 Ok, which part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn." didn't you understand? --/Uq4LBwYP4y1W6pO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSlRNmArGtfDbn0QRAnKdAJ99ADx6wiLtrgocyqjReh/dVCcl0gCcD4Mf rfhQk1BuqOVJZWuwbB0dsCw= =Ew8o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/Uq4LBwYP4y1W6pO-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 12:43:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCEC16A41F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:43:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mranner@jawa.at) Received: from files.jawa.at (jawa.at [213.229.17.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1A143D66; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:43:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mranner@jawa.at) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by files.jawa.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8F5FF06; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:43:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from files.jawa.at ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (files.jawa.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18385-06; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by files.jawa.at (Postfix, from userid 60) id 30922FF05; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from walgrind.jawa.at (walgrind.jawa.at [192.168.200.56]) by files.jawa.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD50FEF6; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:42:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Ranner To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:42:50 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <43456E97.2020604@chillt.de> <20051010114517.GC995@galgenberg.net> In-Reply-To: <20051010114517.GC995@galgenberg.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510101442.50492.mranner@jawa.at> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on files.jawa.at X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jawa.at Cc: Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:43:34 -0000 Am Montag, 10. Oktober 2005 13:45 schrieb Ulrich Spoerlein: > Fixed width is stupid. Period. I'd appreciate it if this could be > changed to a relative width of the central column OR a fixed width of > the borders. > > Also, the width for the fonts either assumes pixel width or uses fixed > point width. Since I'm pretty sure no one will understand what I'm > talking about, have a look at this [1]. > > Note how the Support and languages wrap around. This is because my DPI > of: > screen #0: > print screen: no > dimensions: 1680x1050 pixels (331x210 millimeters) > resolution: 129x127 dots per inch > > [1] http://www.galgenberg.net/~q/freebsd.org.png > > I'll take a look at the CSS stuff, but I'm no expert ... > > Ulrich Spoerlein Me too. Have the same problem with Firefox. Regards -- /\/\ichael Ranner mranner@jawa.at - mranner@bitonline.cc - webmaster@mariazell.at ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JAWA Management Software GmbH - http://www.jawa.at/ Liebenauer Hauptstrasse 2oo - A-8041 Graz Tel +43 316 403274 21 - Fax +43 316 403274 10 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mariazell Online - http://www.mariazell.at/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 13:48:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C9316A429 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:48:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay01.ispgateway.de (smtprelay01.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5084F43D4C for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:48:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: (qmail 23948 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 13:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) ([pbs]775067@[217.187.178.78]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay01.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Oct 2005 13:48:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:49:23 +0200 From: Fabian Keil To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20051010154923.21c80764@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20051010102511.GC2617@flame.pc> References: <20051010102511.GC2617@flame.pc> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.14 (GTK+ 2.6.4; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2006-08-19.asc X-Face: `PhZA=Lxak@TtN(1g, #<&MCpy@&]f<.#LD|V?.7uN7(:.RP/8s&S, oWJtD[Xd4(_YsBm?fGC OLJGk9OysbMQE%?&$, M[odvx9[[`'F\@JjAC@w4X6/-Gr^apr)f''exvwLOUalUW?~>frSC-Y]0v9, U4"Hz]~H&ZP%S1YJV@MfDIDu2>cw~wMiCW#9PY: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Signature_Mon__10_Oct_2005_15_49_23_+0200_0qqsNcheK.YqBkv7; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:48:55 -0000 --Signature_Mon__10_Oct_2005_15_49_23_+0200_0qqsNcheK.YqBkv7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > # Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:21:17 +0300 > # From: Giorgos Keramidas > # > # On 2005-10-10 12:03, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > # >Giorgos Keramidas writes: > # >> How about specifying a minimum of 765px and then a width of 75%? > # >> > # >> min-width: 765px; > # >> width: 75%; > # >> > # >> That should do the trick. I believe: min-width: 75%; width: 765px; would be better, as it doesn't break the layout if the browser window is small and the browser doesn't handle min-width. I assume that in most cases people with big monitors use newer browser versions than people with small monitors. Therefore broken layout in older browsers with small window sizes will hurt more people than useless white space in older browsers with big window sizes. Nevertheless I still think specifying absolute width is wrong and 75% isn't high enough. Fabian --=20 http://www.fabiankeil.de/ --Signature_Mon__10_Oct_2005_15_49_23_+0200_0qqsNcheK.YqBkv7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSnF3jV8GA4rMKUQRAi3MAKDHa2Ja9XODHkm/hkvQ7Ul3Rx1HwQCg52fM YwuCYwTzWeTfiC+aZv9Hy9U= =RLQJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Mon__10_Oct_2005_15_49_23_+0200_0qqsNcheK.YqBkv7-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 14:17:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317B516A41F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:17:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from mail.scls.lib.wi.us (mail.scls.lib.wi.us [198.150.40.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA3D43D46; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:17:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from [172.26.2.238] ([172.26.2.238]) by mail.scls.lib.wi.us (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9AEHRG1061613; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:17:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Message-ID: <434A77F7.4070505@scls.lib.wi.us> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:17:27 -0500 From: Greg Barniskis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulrich Spoerlein References: <20051006111750.GT72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <200510061447.j96Elkjm015555@fire.jhs.private> <20051006150053.GA67408@kierun.org> <20051006151854.GH39538@pc5-179.lri.fr> <43456E97.2020604@chillt.de> <20051010114517.GC995@galgenberg.net> In-Reply-To: <20051010114517.GC995@galgenberg.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:17:29 -0000 Ulrich Spoerlein wrote: > Fixed width is stupid. Period. I'd appreciate it if this could be > changed to a relative width of the central column OR a fixed width of > the borders. Yeah, not to pick on those working on this project, since I think it generally represents a huge stride in the right direction, but fixed width pages are on Nielsen's "Top 10 Web Design Mistakes for 2005" [1]. They're a particular problem for me since I have often in the past had a very narrow window open onto the site side by side with local user documentation I'm writing or reviewing. Not having the text flow in a narrow window view is something of a loss. (I know, submit patches or shut up... I'll shut up now ;). [1] http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) , (608) 266-6348 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 14:43:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FEF16A422 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:43:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.rossen@onsnet.nu) Received: from ipact2.infopact.nl (x71.infopact.nl [212.29.160.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322E643D5D for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:43:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.rossen@onsnet.nu) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (137-8-ftth.onsnet.nu [84.35.8.137]) by ipact2.infopact.nl (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AEhIIX030273 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:43:18 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.0.050811 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:43:18 +0200 From: Benjamin Rossen To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: nice work Thread-Index: AcXNqPPlMnLTfzmcEdqBkAANk3pdjA== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang - SpamAssassin Subject: nice work X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:43:21 -0000 I like the new FreeBSD website design. Congratulations. Nicely done. I think it could be improved by bringing combined fluid/elastic properties to the layout. See a site where this has been implemented at: http://www.wikidiction.com Let me know what you think. I am willing to submit structured CSS files for your new site with these properties if you (the chief webmaster et al.) would like; but I am rather busy and will not to do this work on spec if you don't see the need. Given that your present site has a built in text size switch, you may judge the current elasticity to be satisfactory for your subscribers' needs. Benjamin Rossen From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 14:43:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3132B16A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:43:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hlecuanda@gmail.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58EC43D49 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:43:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hlecuanda@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a33so1415002qbd for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:43:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t2N5Z3lmgWjXqaC1Lhes3rzM7bFWYvWD95k7KbIwGms+XTfeAqI1ExtooOIF8lTBBYuaJzz6wFe5nodHbk+HkzgAdzw1CTvmhFj3Nisww8p5NHDaAd+kpWBbLF3wGIe32vmIyrd/z3R8U3JwTs/BtTtjahaLA4a03mVQuhWGiI8= Received: by 10.64.153.9 with SMTP id a9mr2433062qbe; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.208.4 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:37:20 -0700 From: Hector Lecuanda To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <434A77F7.4070505@scls.lib.wi.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051006111750.GT72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <200510061447.j96Elkjm015555@fire.jhs.private> <20051006150053.GA67408@kierun.org> <20051006151854.GH39538@pc5-179.lri.fr> <43456E97.2020604@chillt.de> <20051010114517.GC995@galgenberg.net> <434A77F7.4070505@scls.lib.wi.us> Cc: Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hector Lecuanda List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:43:33 -0000 After seeng 60-odd messages in this thread in only 4 days, i can only say BIKE SHED ALERT! http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAI= NTING we could all take a minute and read that little jewel buried in the docs, since this is a prime example of the bike-shed syndrome. In the mean time, I say kudos to the designers and all those who took the time to revitalize the web page. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 17:13:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3564216A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:13:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) Received: from manganese.bos.dyndns.org (manganese.bos.dyndns.org [63.208.196.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1D743D45 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:13:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) Received: from manganese.bos.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manganese.bos.dyndns.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9AHDpd2023931 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:13:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) Received: from localhost (twilde@localhost) by manganese.bos.dyndns.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id j9AHDp7S023928 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:13:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) X-Authentication-Warning: manganese.bos.dyndns.org: twilde owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:13:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Wilde X-X-Sender: twilde@manganese.bos.dyndns.org To: www@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: -2.54 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_20 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.53 on 63.208.196.3 Cc: Subject: www.freebsd.org search problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:13:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was recently looking for the kernel compilation section of the FreeBSD handbook using the search functionality of the www.freebsd.org website. Imagine my surprise when a search for "kernel" (without the quotes) returns no results! The search page specifically says that the search includes the FAQ and handbook, and I'm quite sure both of those contain the word "kernel" a significant number of times. Other searches do return results, but there seems to be some kind of problem at least with the search for "kernel". If someone could look into that, it would be much appreciated. Regards, Tim Wilde - -- Tim Wilde twilde@dyndns.com Systems Administrator Dynamic Network Services, Inc. http://www.dyndns.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSqFOT9UHzqLr6x4RAhTkAJ9/5ukP6b1MAUZSO/4om6r5LMtaWACgzqNi ZXhplyoocWlHZaLfIBFpnI4= =KxAr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 17:16:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008A216A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:16:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E1A43D48 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:16:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EAD930D5A; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:16:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07366-07; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <434AA246.20802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:17:58 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Wilde References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org search problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:16:27 -0000 Tim Wilde wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was recently looking for the kernel compilation section of the FreeBSD > handbook using the search functionality of the www.freebsd.org website. > Imagine my surprise when a search for "kernel" (without the quotes) > returns no results! The search page specifically says that the search > includes the FAQ and handbook, and I'm quite sure both of those contain > the word "kernel" a significant number of times. Other searches do > return results, but there seems to be some kind of problem at least with > the search for "kernel". If someone could look into that, it would be > much appreciated. > > Regards, > Tim Wilde > > - -- Tim Wilde > twilde@dyndns.com > Systems Administrator > Dynamic Network Services, Inc. > http://www.dyndns.com/ Hi Tim We noticed this behaviour as well and are currently discussing this on this mailinglist. You might want to read: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/003023.html To catch up on the discussion. Feel free to join it :) Cheers, remko -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 17:34:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3809616A41F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:34:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soc-emily@freebsd.org) Received: from vorlon.rememberthemilk.com (vorlon.rememberthemilk.com [72.21.39.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55E243D45; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:34:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soc-emily@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vorlon.rememberthemilk.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E839FC04B; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vorlon.rememberthemilk.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vorlon.rememberthemilk.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28938-06; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [131.229.165.130]) by vorlon.rememberthemilk.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3227FC014; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <434AA5E2.10305@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:33:22 -0400 From: Emily Boyd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <861x2t280w.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <861x2t280w.fsf@xps.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rememberthemilk.com Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: width of #container X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:34:42 -0000 DES, > The attached patch addresses an issue that seems to annoy a lot of > people on -developers: it changes the width of #container from a fixed > 765px to a more flexible 75%. Any objections? Changing to a variable width layout is going to require a fair few changes to the CSS, apart from changing the width of the container. Currently the front page relies on fixed sizes, and just changing the width of the container will not maintain the layout. I'm going to take a look at creating a variable width version of the CSS this week - I may have to also change the design of the front page so that it's more suited to variable width. Emily From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 17:47:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5257B16A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:47:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) Received: from manganese.bos.dyndns.org (manganese.bos.dyndns.org [63.208.196.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19B143D48 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:47:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) Received: from manganese.bos.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manganese.bos.dyndns.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9AHljd2034006 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:47:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) Received: from localhost (twilde@localhost) by manganese.bos.dyndns.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id j9AHljBk034003 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:47:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) X-Authentication-Warning: manganese.bos.dyndns.org: twilde owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:47:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Wilde X-X-Sender: twilde@manganese.bos.dyndns.org To: www@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: -1.985 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_40 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.53 on 63.208.196.3 Cc: Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:47:47 -0000 (Apologies for breaking threading, just joined freebsd-www so I don't have the appropriate messages for a References: header.) As I mentioned in my earlier post, I think an even bigger problem than the one Murray mentioned can be observed by the fact that a search for "kernel" returns no results at all. At DynDNS, we recently started indexing our site using ht://Dig (http://www.htdig.org/), and have been very happy with the flexibility it provides for tuning search results to get the most relevant matches. It is also a true spider, crawling the website over HTTP rather than searching on the filesystem as the current search.cgi seems to do. That said, a Google or Yahoo! search would probably be a lot easier from an implementation and maintenance standpoint. Both of them return quite reasonable result sets for "site:freebsd.org kernel" and "site:freebsd.org status reports". As a mere mortal user of the website, I'd vote for either one of these, as long as it makes the search more usable! :) Tim Wilde -- Tim Wilde twilde@dyndns.com Systems Administrator Dynamic Network Services, Inc. http://www.dyndns.com/ From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 18:30:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC50F16A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:30:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A35243D53 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:30:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AIUH8N024239 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:30:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9AIUHSQ024237; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:30:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:30:17 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510101830.j9AIUHSQ024237@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Martin Garcia Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9139716A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:24:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BED43D46 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:24:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AIOUET048671 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:24:30 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j9AIOUVl048670; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:24:30 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510101824.j9AIOUVl048670@www.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:24:30 GMT From: Martin Garcia To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/87226: Nettix Peru X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:30:19 -0000 >Number: 87226 >Category: www >Synopsis: Nettix Peru >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 10 18:30:17 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Martin Garcia >Release: FreeBSD 5.4 >Organization: Nettix Peru >Environment: Nettix Peru provides value added solutions based on opensource software for today peruvian and latin-american small and mid-range companies. Our main skills are in Linux, Unix, Networking, and security relaed subjects >Description: Nettix Peru provides value added solutions based on opensource software for today peruvian and latin-american small and mid-range companies. Our main skills are in Linux, Unix, Networking, and security relaed subjects >How-To-Repeat: Nettix Peru provides value added solutions based on opensource software for today peruvian and latin-american small and mid-range companies. Our main skills are in Linux, Unix, Networking, and security relaed subjects >Fix: Nettix Peru provides value added solutions based on opensource software for today peruvian and latin-american small and mid-range companies. Our main skills are in Linux, Unix, Networking, and security relaed subjects >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 18:34:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF88F16A41F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:34:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40EC43D48; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:34:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AIY8V8025382; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:34:08 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9AIY81V025377; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:34:08 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:34:08 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510101834.j9AIY81V025377@freefall.freebsd.org> To: remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87226: Nettix Peru X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:34:09 -0000 Synopsis: Nettix Peru Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Oct 10 18:33:56 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will work on this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87226 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 10 19:01:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1262716A41F for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:01:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F17743D46 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:01:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id AB32C11AD1; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:01:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:01:40 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Stijn Hoop Message-ID: <20051010190140.GA895@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <43459BEB.2090503@scls.lib.wi.us> <20051006221820.GB38659@neptune.atopia.net> <4345AFAD.9090004@scls.lib.wi.us> <43466C60.3090103@mbnet.fi> <20051007131649.GT86136@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051007131649.GT86136@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Tuomo Latto Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage [PATCH] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:01:49 -0000 --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.07 15:16:49 +0200, Stijn Hoop wrote: > [please move to -www] >=20 > > Add on a clearly visible place on the front page a link pointing > > to the old site and keep the old site updated as well. Sorry, that's not going to happen. One reason is that it would require maintaining two sites. > > Here's another: Make all headings links. > > If I want to see all security advisories, I don't want to have to search > > for that little "More". Instead, I'd prefer to click on the heading and > > get the security advisory page. >=20 > Ah, but this one is. I second this. Sounds like fine idea to me. > > But where are the advisories on that page? Oh, *now* I have to scroll.. > > That table of contents is squeezed between the introduction and > > the rest of the content. It is customary to have table of contents first > > so people can actually umm.. you know.. find it. Note that this is the same as it has been for the last couple of years. > So actually this boils down to making changes to /security/index.sgml: > split it up in the 'generic text' part and the list of advisories, and > link the front page advisories to that last one. >=20 > Please try the attached patch then (to be applied in www/en). For a while I have been working on a new set of Security pages as a replacement for the current /security/ stuff, but I don't know when it will be done. I also think the current main security page is too big, so I like the idea of Stijn patch untill I get the larger overhaul completed. That said, I don't expect to be able to try out the patch before the weekend at the earliest. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSrqTh9pcDSc1mlERApN6AKDCp/aG0L8SfjhPqx2iCOVBZcBZEwCfZQMY QyZTXGp0zX2kYDIiS5pVb0Q= =iA3N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 03:04:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72BA16A41F for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:04:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rushani@bl.mmtr.or.jp) Received: from wasley.bl.mmtr.or.jp (wasley.bl.mmtr.or.jp [210.228.173.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CEE8F43D45 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:04:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rushani@bl.mmtr.or.jp) Received: (qmail 24042 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2005 03:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (210.165.212.52) by wasley.bl.mmtr.or.jp with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 03:04:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:01:43 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20051011.120143.92580795.rushani@bl.mmtr.or.jp> To: www@FreeBSD.org From: Hideyuki KURASHINA In-Reply-To: <200510110158.j9B1wpOb009651@www.freebsd.org> References: <200510110158.j9B1wpOb009651@www.freebsd.org> X-URL: http://www.rushani.jp/ X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.rushani.jp/rushani.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A052 6F98 6146 6FE3 91E2 DA6B F2FA 2088 439A DC57 X-RC5-72-Stats: http://stats.distributed.net/participant/psummary.php?project_id=8&id=432320 X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.53 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:04:45 -0000 Hi, >>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:58:51 GMT, World Wide Web Owner said: > /usr/local/bin/jade:/w/www/build/relnotes/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/hardware/alpha/../common/../common/dev.sgml:694:20:E: general entity "man.snd.mss.4" not defined and no default entity Should be fixed for now. -- rushani From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 03:57:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542EF16A41F for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:57:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB96F43D48 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:57:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.76.67]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051011035727.NXPN16334.mta10.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net> for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:57:27 -0400 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB9C7B693; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:57:27 -0400 From: Parv To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Problem in building www/en: "make: don't know how to make /share/sgml/transtable.xml" X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:57:28 -0000 I am trying to build the English version of freebsd.org web site w/o the complete docs ... cd www/en make all -DNOPORTSCVS \ ENGLISH_ONLY=y WITHOUT_DOC=y WEB_ONLY=y \ ... that results in this error message ... make: don't know how to make /share/sgml/transtable.xml. Stop I have set the $PORTSBASE, downloaded www, cvs-base, and very recently doc modules; installed jade 1.2.1_9. None of that seems to have helped. I had also set the CVSROOT for good it did (nothing as i expected). So, what other information will be needed for someone to help me build the local English copy of the freebsd web site w/o the docs? - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 04:25:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FD216A41F for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:25:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (vlsi00.si.noda.tus.ac.jp [133.31.130.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6CD43D5A for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:25:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p13123-adsau14honb8-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [220.106.49.123]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9B4PKZJ036829; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:25:22 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9B4P901059305; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:25:10 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:24:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20051011.132427.74752879.hrs@allbsd.org> To: parv@pair.com From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow> References: <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.52 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Tue_Oct_11_13_24_27_2005_819)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem in building www/en: "make: don't know how to make /share/sgml/transtable.xml" X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:25:26 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Oct_11_13_24_27_2005_819)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Parv wrote in <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow>: pa> I am trying to build the English version of freebsd.org web site w/o pa> the complete docs ... pa> pa> cd www/en pa> make all -DNOPORTSCVS \ pa> ENGLISH_ONLY=y WITHOUT_DOC=y WEB_ONLY=y \ pa> pa> pa> ... that results in this error message ... pa> pa> make: don't know how to make /share/sgml/transtable.xml. Stop pa> pa> pa> I have set the $PORTSBASE, downloaded www, cvs-base, and very pa> recently doc modules; installed jade 1.2.1_9. None of that seems to pa> have helped. I had also set the CVSROOT for good it did (nothing as pa> i expected). pa> pa> So, what other information will be needed for someone to help me pa> build the local English copy of the freebsd web site w/o the docs? If you checked out the doc module I think the following works as you expected: % make all -DNOPORTSCVS ENGLISH_ONLY=y WEB_ONLY=y I noticed that a combination of WITHOUT_DOC and WEB_ONLY does not work just now. Sorry, this is probably my fault and I will fix it. -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Oct_11_13_24_27_2005_819)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDSz59TyzT2CeTzy0RAtq0AJ9emo3UeIQAFh+trGFrbPpbOzZAcQCgiFVP I3rVF3oZih9moXmP9AWSeXU= =FZyj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Oct_11_13_24_27_2005_819)---- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 04:47:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C49016A41F; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:47:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7778743D45; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:47:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.76.67]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051011044727.JLKM20109.mta9.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net>; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:47:27 -0400 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 88302B693; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:47:28 -0400 From: Parv To: Hiroki Sato Message-ID: <20051011044728.GA72896@holestein.holy.cow> References: <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow> <20051011.132427.74752879.hrs@allbsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051011.132427.74752879.hrs@allbsd.org> Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem in building www/en: "make: don't know how to make /share/sgml/transtable.xml" X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:47:29 -0000 in message <20051011.132427.74752879.hrs@allbsd.org>, wrote Hiroki Sato thusly... > > Parv wrote > in <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow>: > > pa> cd www/en > pa> make all -DNOPORTSCVS \ > pa> ENGLISH_ONLY=y WITHOUT_DOC=y WEB_ONLY=y \ > pa> > pa> > pa> ... that results in this error message ... > pa> > pa> make: don't know how to make /share/sgml/transtable.xml. Stop > pa> > pa> > pa> I have set the $PORTSBASE, downloaded www, cvs-base, and very > pa> recently doc modules; installed jade 1.2.1_9. ... > If you checked out the doc module I think the following works as > you expected: > > % make all -DNOPORTSCVS ENGLISH_ONLY=y WEB_ONLY=y Alright, that makes the process goes further and stopping at ... ... env -i /usr/bin/awk '/@sortkey@/ {sub(/@sortkey@/, ++line); print;}' < misc.sort.tmp >> misc.sort echo '' >> misc.sort env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= XML_CATALOG_FILES="file:///misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/misc misc misc/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/www/en/share/sgml/catalog.xml file:///misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/www/share/sgml/catalog-common.xml file:///misc/local/share/xml/catalog" /misc/local/bin/xsltproc --xinclude --stringparam LOCALBASE /misc/local --stringparam WEB_PREFIX /misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/www --nonet --catalogs -o misc --param 'transtable.xml' "'/misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/share/sgml/transtable.xml'" --param 'transtable-target-element' "'country'" --param 'transtable-word-group' "'country'" --param 'transtable-sortkey.xml' "'misc.sort'" /misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/share/sgml/transtable-local.xsl /misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/share/sgml/mirrors.xml file:///misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/misc:0: Catalog error : File file:///misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/misc is not an XML Catalog warning: failed to load external entity "/misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/share/sgml/misc.sort" ( warning is repeated 53 times more ) warning: failed to load external entity "/misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/share/sgml/misc.sort" /bin/rm -f misc.sort misc.sort.tmp /bin/mkdir -p misc/share/sgml mkdir: misc: Not a directory *** Error code 1 Stop in /misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/www/en. > I noticed that a combination of WITHOUT_DOC and WEB_ONLY does not > work just now. Sorry, this is probably my fault and I will fix it. Ok; i can wait. - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 05:06:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BDA16A41F for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:06:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (vlsi00.si.noda.tus.ac.jp [133.31.130.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD1A43D49 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:06:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p13123-adsau14honb8-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [220.106.49.123]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9B56Khu037218; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:06:21 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9B5693V059520; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:06:09 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:05:39 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20051011.140539.78706021.hrs@allbsd.org> To: parv@pair.com From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20051011044728.GA72896@holestein.holy.cow> References: <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow> <20051011.132427.74752879.hrs@allbsd.org> <20051011044728.GA72896@holestein.holy.cow> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.52 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Tue_Oct_11_14_05_39_2005_726)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem in building www/en: "make: don't know how to make /share/sgml/transtable.xml" X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:06:23 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Oct_11_14_05_39_2005_726)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Parv wrote in <20051011044728.GA72896@holestein.holy.cow>: pa> warning: failed to load external entity "/misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/share/sgml/misc.sort" pa> /bin/rm -f misc.sort misc.sort.tmp pa> /bin/mkdir -p misc/share/sgml pa> mkdir: misc: Not a directory pa> *** Error code 1 pa> pa> Stop in /misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/www/en. One question: when no option is specified (just type "make" only in www/en), does this (or other) error still occur? -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Oct_11_14_05_39_2005_726)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDS0gmTyzT2CeTzy0RApMLAKDSjKFua/RBNb0LgQkUo/m0FyChUwCfRJx0 cfGzYfioAx8m5WvX1vHFzSc= =E6ll -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Oct_11_14_05_39_2005_726)---- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 06:36:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B134F16A41F; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:36:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from mta13.adelphia.net (mta13.adelphia.net [68.168.78.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DB243D45; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:36:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.76.67]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051011063625.KKCW23334.mta13.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net>; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:36:25 -0400 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 91D2EB693; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:36:30 -0400 From: Parv To: Hiroki Sato Message-ID: <20051011063630.GA90366@holestein.holy.cow> References: <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow> <20051011.132427.74752879.hrs@allbsd.org> <20051011044728.GA72896@holestein.holy.cow> <20051011.140539.78706021.hrs@allbsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051011.140539.78706021.hrs@allbsd.org> Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem in building www/en: "make: don't know how to make /share/sgml/transtable.xml" X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:36:26 -0000 in message <20051011.140539.78706021.hrs@allbsd.org>, wrote Hiroki Sato thusly... > > Parv wrote > in <20051011044728.GA72896@holestein.holy.cow>: > > pa> warning: failed to load external entity "/misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/doc/share/sgml/misc.sort" > pa> /bin/rm -f misc.sort misc.sort.tmp > pa> /bin/mkdir -p misc/share/sgml > pa> mkdir: misc: Not a directory > pa> *** Error code 1 > pa> > pa> Stop in /misc/home/parv/comp/freebsd.org/www/en. > > One question: when no option is specified (just type "make" only > in www/en), does this (or other) error still occur? Yes, the same, and the only, error occurs. - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 07:06:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0EA16A41F for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:06:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dennisolvany@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B5143D46 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:06:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dennisolvany@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i5so610641wra for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:06:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=tyBJL/NpeXDN76dtduM328LP6/hTVgsbZxHQDCL26UacvCXPxRFxm4/mN79Ifsn4EkgIjDnc4rs2YoIg8hmlkgFgN782A/pa9fDBjsT6hFokjK8wKYsZtJv6GVFfoxfULbdgv0upqWj0GeKC8cqbUdAOOLJbeyz2GXorQ9stlIs= Received: by 10.54.94.16 with SMTP id r16mr3453636wrb; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm ( [67.102.60.210]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 7sm2583881wrl.2005.10.11.00.06.25; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002201c5ce32$4c0352a0$0366a8c0@dm> From: "Dennis Olvany" To: Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:06:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: new site: docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:06:27 -0000 I noticed that a handbook link was added to the homepage. This is quite = an improvement. I think homepage links for the faq and man online would = be a further improvement. Please consider. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 07:38:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33D916A41F for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:38:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0812C43D46 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:38:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 16355 invoked by uid 104); 11 Oct 2005 07:38:33 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. Clear:SA:0(-2.2/8.0):AWL, BAYES_20 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3. Processed in 1.421587 secs); 11 Oct 2005 07:38:33 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-2.2/8.0):AWL,BAYES_20 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -2.2 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_20 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.27.150) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 07:38:31 -0000 From: George Danchev To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:38:30 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20051010102511.GC2617@flame.pc> <20051010103207.GM99170@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20051010103207.GM99170@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510111038.30921.danchev@spnet.net> Subject: Re: CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:38:36 -0000 On Monday 10 October 2005 13:32, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:25:11PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > Bearing in mind that: > > > > * min-width is a CSS 2.X (but not CSS 1.X) attribute > > * it may improve the resizing of our front page > > * the following mini-quote from a discussion me and des@ took part in > > > > # Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:21:17 +0300 > > # From: Giorgos Keramidas > > # > > # On 2005-10-10 12:03, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > # >Giorgos Keramidas writes: > > # >> How about specifying a minimum of 765px and then a width of 75%? > > # >> > > # >> min-width: 765px; > > # >> width: 75%; > > # >> > > # >> That should do the trick. > > # > > > # > Ah, I didn't know about min-width; it's not in CSS1. > > # > > # You're right, of course. It is part of CSS 2.X. I'm not sure what is > > # the CSS standards level we want to be compatible with, so I'll have to > > # ask the folks at freebsd-www about using min-width or other CSS 2.X > > # attributes. > > > > What is our current policy (assuming we actually _have_ one) about using > > CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes in stylesheets for the web site? > > I think it's probably OK. They'll just get ignored by browsers that > don't understand them, and the alternative in this instance is to not > include it any way as I understand it. Please don't go for such experiments. It will open another can of worms, e.g. inter-browser inconsistencies thus different look'n feel. Also bear in mind that the container width (resp. height) is critical to the other css ratios. This is almost the same like having js enabled/disabled at the browser side. Just don't play with that and be more conservative. I'll go for width between 80-95%, no use to left unused space if you don't have good reasons doing so. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 08:03:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E9616A420 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:03:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBF9043D49 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:03:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 8434 invoked by uid 104); 11 Oct 2005 08:03:40 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. Clear:SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL, BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3. Processed in 1.948826 secs); 11 Oct 2005 08:03:40 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -2.5 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.27.150) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 08:03:38 -0000 From: George Danchev To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:03:37 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <861x2t280w.fsf@xps.des.no> <434AA5E2.10305@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <434AA5E2.10305@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510111103.37879.danchev@spnet.net> Subject: Re: width of #container X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:03:42 -0000 On Monday 10 October 2005 20:33, Emily Boyd wrote: > DES, > > > The attached patch addresses an issue that seems to annoy a lot of > > people on -developers: it changes the width of #container from a fixed > > 765px to a more flexible 75%. Any objections? > > Changing to a variable width layout is going to require a fair few > changes to the CSS, apart from changing the width of the container. > Currently the front page relies on fixed sizes, and just changing the > width of the container will not maintain the layout. > > I'm going to take a look at creating a variable width version of the CSS > this week - I may have to also change the design of the front page so > that it's more suited to variable width. Could you please define your conception about the ratios of the basic linear objects involved with the front page, because we all see different results. Thus we can start groking things from globals to details. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 08:05:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C1F16A41F for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:05:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CA643D45 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:05:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EPF8x-0009iy-H6; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:05:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:05:51 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: George Danchev Message-ID: <20051011080551.GV99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , George Danchev , freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <20051010102511.GC2617@flame.pc> <20051010103207.GM99170@submonkey.net> <200510111038.30921.danchev@spnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FlxqdQUIXA+HMkrt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510111038.30921.danchev@spnet.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:05:56 -0000 --FlxqdQUIXA+HMkrt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:38:30AM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > On Monday 10 October 2005 13:32, Ceri Davies wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:25:11PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > Bearing in mind that: > > > > > > * min-width is a CSS 2.X (but not CSS 1.X) attribute > > > * it may improve the resizing of our front page > > > * the following mini-quote from a discussion me and des@ took par= t in > > > > > > # Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:21:17 +0300 > > > # From: Giorgos Keramidas > > > # > > > # On 2005-10-10 12:03, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > > # >Giorgos Keramidas writes: > > > # >> How about specifying a minimum of 765px and then a width of 75%? > > > # >> > > > # >> min-width: 765px; > > > # >> width: 75%; > > > # >> > > > # >> That should do the trick. > > > # > > > > # > Ah, I didn't know about min-width; it's not in CSS1. > > > # > > > # You're right, of course. It is part of CSS 2.X. I'm not sure what= is > > > # the CSS standards level we want to be compatible with, so I'll have= to > > > # ask the folks at freebsd-www about using min-width or other CSS 2.X > > > # attributes. > > > > > > What is our current policy (assuming we actually _have_ one) about us= ing > > > CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes in stylesheets for the web site? > > > > I think it's probably OK. They'll just get ignored by browsers that > > don't understand them, and the alternative in this instance is to not > > include it any way as I understand it. >=20 > Please don't go for such experiments. It will open another can of worms, = e.g.=20 > inter-browser inconsistencies thus different look'n feel. I have personally decided that browsers that don't conform to standards don't matter to me any more; once they stop working on 50% of the web, they might get fixed. I guess the FreeBSD Project might need to bend to them. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --FlxqdQUIXA+HMkrt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDS3JfocfcwTS3JF8RAqUrAJ9SFVGX6rjGelr/BMxcyfK251F3zgCePuU0 BOlqpAn5WNqovzNKL97myF0= =DtfP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FlxqdQUIXA+HMkrt-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 11:51:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7476916A42C for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:51:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83B5E43D69 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:51:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 16202 invoked by uid 104); 11 Oct 2005 11:51:34 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. 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Processed in 1.381283 secs); 11 Oct 2005 11:51:34 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -2.5 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.29.91) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 11 Oct 2005 11:51:33 -0000 From: George Danchev To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:51:27 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20051010102511.GC2617@flame.pc> <200510111038.30921.danchev@spnet.net> <20051011080551.GV99170@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20051011080551.GV99170@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510111451.29515.danchev@spnet.net> Subject: Re: CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:51:37 -0000 On Tuesday 11 October 2005 11:05, Ceri Davies wrote: --cut-- > > > > What is our current policy (assuming we actually _have_ one) about > > > > using CSS 1.X vs. 2.X attributes in stylesheets for the web site? > > > > > > I think it's probably OK. They'll just get ignored by browsers that > > > don't understand them, and the alternative in this instance is to not > > > include it any way as I understand it. > > > > Please don't go for such experiments. It will open another can of worms, > > e.g. inter-browser inconsistencies thus different look'n feel. > > I have personally decided that browsers that don't conform to standards > don't matter to me any more; once they stop working on 50% of the web, > they might get fixed. I guess the FreeBSD Project might need to bend to > them. Grrr, doesn't stand this way. There is a great direffence between breaking standards (which is obviously not the case here) and not using or forcing those of them which are not supported widely yet among various clients. Also this is not the last resort option of yours, thus more challenges taken is an overkill. It is just an opinion of mine, it's up to you to. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 11:59:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D1C16A41F for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:59:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dandee@hellteam.net) Received: from pipa.profix.cz (ruprt.hosting4u.cz [82.208.25.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD7543D53 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:59:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dandee@hellteam.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pipa.profix.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B365D4E705 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:59:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pipa.profix.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pipa [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02512-09 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:59:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gandalf (unknown [80.95.121.105]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pipa.profix.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0114E704 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:59:17 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Daniel_Dvo=F8=E1k?= To: Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:59:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXOWzK9KmnZUF3ZSSiSH0izGwHrng== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20051011115917.0E0114E704@pipa.profix.cz> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at profix.cz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Is it work ? 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dandee@volny.cz List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:59:17 -0000 Hi all, let me ask you for accessibility some mirrors of CVS Repository. I = sended question to this mailling list on 4th of September, but no answer and problem at least how I see still exists. =20 Since that time something has changed, but with no notice and there are still some problems. from http://www.freebsd.org/ = developers/cvs.html : Mirrors of the CVS Repository cgi script are available in Germany , Japan , Portugal , San Marino , Spain , USA/California and Ukraine .=20 =20 For many months and for me it does not work: GERMANY - not ok ( cgi script) =20 Not Found The requested URL /cgi/cvsweb.cgi was not found on this server.=20 JAPAN - ok PORTUGAL - ok San Marino - not ok ( dns not ok ) roztyly# traceroute cvsup.sm.freebsd.org traceroute: unknown host cvsup.sm.freebsd.org roztyly# SPAIN - not ok ( look at code ) for example: you are in some place in tree and want to look at revision 1.2.7 of something and this will return: http://www.es.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/tools/tools/ath/athctrl.sh?r= ev=3D 1.1 = &content-type=3Dtext/x-cvsweb-markup =20 Error Error: Unexpected output from cvs co: /usr/bin/cvs: invalid option -- l Usage: cvs [cvs-options] command [command-options-and-arguments] where cvs-options are -q, -n, etc. (specify --help-options for a list of = options) where command is add, admin, etc. (specify --help-commands for a list of commands or --help-synonyms for a list of command synonyms) where command-options-and-arguments depend on the specific command (specify -H followed by a command name for command-specific help) Specify --help to receive this message The Concurrent Versions System (CVS) is a tool for version control. For CVS updates and additional information, see the CVS home page at http://www.cvshome.org/ or Pascal Molli's CVS site at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/cvs-index.html =20 REGARDLESS OF WHERE U R IN THE TREE, it is same for all revisions for = all cvs files of source code. problem like SPAIN ) USA/California - ok Ukraine - ok I would like to ask you if it is only my problem and others don=B4t have = this problem or not and it is same. If I am right, don=B4t tell me that I am first who point it out after = many months. ( exactly from March I observe these errors ) And finely if it is not only my problem and if I am not first person who point it out, WHY THESE BROKEN LINKS annoy us ( common daily users) = STILL AND NOW ? Thanks you Bye Dan _____ =20 avast! Antivirus : Odchozi zprava cista.=20 Virova databaze (VPS): 0541-0, 10.10.2005 Testovano: 11.10.2005 13:59:13 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 15:34:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD6D16A44B; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:34:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D2E43D46; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:34:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE121CD30; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:34:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 901FA1CD1A; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:33:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:33:59 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo To: www@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051011153359.GA87595@daemon.rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: [PATCH] Update for news.xml X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:34:06 -0000 Since the 6.0-RC1 was officially released, we should update the news section. Here is the proper diff: --- news.xml.orig Tue Oct 11 17:16:46 2005 +++ news.xml Tue Oct 11 17:21:55 2005 @@ -31,8 +31,13 @@ 10 - - 10 + + 11 + + FreeBSD 6.0-RC1 Available +

    6.0-RC1 announcement.

    +     +     6 -- Sincerely, Daniel Gerzo From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 16:29:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118A316A420; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:29:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C324443D5F; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:29:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.14] (imini.samsco.home [192.168.254.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9BGT0BY051595; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:29:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <434BE84B.7080501@samsco.org> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:28:59 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050416 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Gerzo References: <20051011153359.GA87595@daemon.rulez.sk> In-Reply-To: <20051011153359.GA87595@daemon.rulez.sk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: re@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Update for news.xml X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:29:20 -0000 Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Since the 6.0-RC1 was officially released, we should update the news > section. Here is the proper diff: > > --- news.xml.orig Tue Oct 11 17:16:46 2005 > +++ news.xml Tue Oct 11 17:21:55 2005 > @@ -31,8 +31,13 @@ > > 10 > > - > - 10 > + > + 11 > + > + FreeBSD 6.0-RC1 Available > +

    6.0-RC1 announcement.

    > +     > +     > > > 6 > Does this go along with what Ceri committed a few hours ago? Scott From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 16:37:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0989216A420; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:37:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C36343D46; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:37:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9421CC8C; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:37:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10B61CC72; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:37:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:48:54 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.5) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <953109148.20051011174854@rulez.sk> To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <434BE84B.7080501@samsco.org> References: <20051011153359.GA87595@daemon.rulez.sk> <434BE84B.7080501@samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.738, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -3.661 X-Spam-Level: Cc: re@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: [PATCH] Update for news.xml X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:37:40 -0000 Hello Scott, Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 6:28:59 PM, you wrote: > Daniel Gerzo wrote: >> Since the 6.0-RC1 was officially released, we should update the news >> section. Here is the proper diff: >> >> --- news.xml.orig Tue Oct 11 17:16:46 2005 >> +++ news.xml Tue Oct 11 17:21:55 2005 >> @@ -31,8 +31,13 @@ >> >> 10 >> >> - >> - 10 >> + >> + 11 >> + >> + FreeBSD 6.0-RC1 Available >> +

    > href="http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2005-October/018790.html">6.0-RC1 >> announcement.

    >> +     >> +     >> >> >> 6 >> > Does this go along with what Ceri committed a few hours ago? This is something little bit different. He updated the sgml stuff so that the information about upcoming release on index.html and where.html (maybe somewhere else as well) will refer to the 6.0-RC1. My patch is for news section of our web site, so that the release information will be shown on in the RSS feeds and it will also be present in the Latest News section of the index.html. > Scott -- Sincerely, Daniel Gerzo From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 17:12:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B512C16A41F; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:12:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880FC43D48; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:12:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 736BC1CC67; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:12:59 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Daniel Gerzo Message-ID: <20051011171259.GB65630@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051011153359.GA87595@daemon.rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051011153359.GA87595@daemon.rulez.sk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: re@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Update for news.xml X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:12:59 -0000 On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 05:33:59PM +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Since the 6.0-RC1 was officially released, we should update the news > section. Here is the proper diff: Thanks Daniel, I've added a news item. I used the more wordy template that we've used for previous RC announcements but otherwise thanks for the reminder! - Mruray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 20:11:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E81816A41F; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:11:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A20F43D48; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:11:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9BKB4mA089731; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:11:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id j9BKB487089730; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:11:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (plum.panke.de.freebsd.org [192.168.0.104]) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9BK7BwZ014938; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:07:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <434C1B5D.303@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:06:53 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murray Stokely References: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> In-Reply-To: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:11:06 -0000 Murray Stokely wrote: >The recent mail about not being able to find the status reports page >points out how useless our search box is. In this case a search for >'status reports' will have the correct link in the third position, >which is actually better than most queries. There should be loads of >'status reports' anchor text pointing to that page so more advanced >search engines would rank it first. > >Is there any reason not to ditch search.cgi and move to a Yahoo! >search bar for the site? > > you know that search engines like yahoo or google index only 1/5 - 1/2 of a typical web site?! If a problem occurs, you have to wait until the next update - your are offline for at least 30 days. Search engines are always out of date and incomplete. If you ditch search.cgi, our users will not get all information and get only old pages (the state of the web site 30-100 days ago) -Wolfram -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 20:28:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCB116A41F for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:28:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517F143D45 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:28:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9BKSRwZ090184; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:28:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id j9BKSRqv090183; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:28:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (plum.panke.de.freebsd.org [192.168.0.104]) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9BKLqmR015068; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:21:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <434C1ECF.4090608@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:21:35 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Wilde References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:28:32 -0000 Tim Wilde wrote: > (Apologies for breaking threading, just joined freebsd-www so I don't > have the appropriate messages for a References: header.) > > As I mentioned in my earlier post, I think an even bigger problem than > the one Murray mentioned can be observed by the fact that a search for > "kernel" returns no results at all. I guess what happens here: "kernel" is a very common word (believe it or not). google has 18.900 hits for the word "kernel" on www.freebsd.org. Common words (e.g. "a", "the", "an", "www", "is") are usually ignored by search engines to save space or to speed up searches. These are known as "stop words." Even google has stop words. From my memory, search.cgi has a dynamic stop word list - words which hit the limit of 20.000 will be ignored. -Wolfram > At DynDNS, we recently started indexing our site using ht://Dig > (http://www.htdig.org/), and have been very happy with the flexibility > it provides for tuning search results to get the most relevant > matches. It is also a true spider, crawling the website over HTTP > rather than searching on the filesystem as the current search.cgi > seems to do. -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 20:54:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B4516A41F for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:54:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAD543D49 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:54:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so22201rne for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:54:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oY2zn/VJXtgVAdM+3OoMZiofopR7IFIEud+Wb2QKPChcTwP3OGhUWdsuTG/cIkwQF58eNXv6n+MhCaSUID65eWTbYPJUJfpzsW6NqEts/03zTAxFs8uu9iYjwMv1WtXedZfS+cP0n66h0G0cZ2BoZCKSkUrFA3PEIZznTAriv94= Received: by 10.11.98.76 with SMTP id v76mr112235cwb; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.34 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <751a4f870510111354o56d75177r@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:54:43 +0200 From: Aron Stansvik To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <751a4f870510070325v50b457d0y@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <751a4f870510070325v50b457d0y@mail.gmail.com> Cc: elvstone@gmail.com Subject: Re: Do you want my vector daemon? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:54:45 -0000 2005/10/7, Aron Stansvik : > About a year ago I made a vector (SVG) version of the BSD daemon, just > to have as a desktop wallpaper. Is this something you would want to > use with the new website design? I'm going to take the complete silence in this thread as a "No" ;) Guess you guys like your daemon just the way it is. No sweat. Best regards, Aron > > I've attached the image in SVG, PNG and Windows Icon format. For the > Windows Icon I deleted the shadow under the daemon and made the SVG > square before creating the bitmap. I've also attached a conversation I > had with Kirk McKusick to show that he OKed this. The image was > created with Inkscape. > > Please be kind and reply to me and cc the list (or the other way > around), since I'm not subscribed. > > Best regards, > Aron Stansvik > > > From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 11 22:48:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF2B16A41F; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:48:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A32243D48; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:48:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 5298A1CC6F; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:48:12 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Wolfram Schneider Message-ID: <20051011224812.GC73646@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> <434C1B5D.303@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <434C1B5D.303@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:48:12 -0000 On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:06:53PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > you know that search engines like yahoo or google index > only 1/5 - 1/2 of a typical web site?! If a problem occurs, > you have to wait until the next update - your are > offline for at least 30 days. There are sitemap APIs that allow you to get full coverage and much quicker updates, e.g. https://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/docs/en/about.html Still, your points are well taken and it makes it clear that trying to get the best of both worlds (relevant results from a commercial search engine and the breadth and immediacy given by search.cgi) would not be trivial. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 00:29:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2AB16A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:29:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from pemaquid.safeport.com (pemaquid.safeport.com [204.156.12.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EEF43D45 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:29:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pemaquid.safeport.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9C0TVBR096436 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:29:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051011202759.H42970@pemaquid.safeport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: link to ports page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:29:33 -0000 This is to request that a shortcut to the ports page be added to the shortcuts in the upper left section of the page: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 00:53:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE9716A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:53:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from guillem@gmail.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD4543D46 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:53:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from guillem@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h2so25nfe for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:53:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oTYUGl6PZ9K98x+JmdSwnpiIHaR90IKBcn4jXVutLY1J51uhzTAM6MwC9fsKZUdUbxq69EYI8gOXC9g0ig/sYKKMd69x4jM7a29RPeBlHuLLi5OQJ6/b7xMm+NKUM4rSLZNoe1RdoHcUAu/QOak5K543aLUTm8aj9eeJjZNfB34= Received: by 10.48.225.13 with SMTP id x13mr216nfg; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.244.15 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <778624140510111753n4eec61e8lde4e7ca97de8e86f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 02:53:42 +0200 From: Guillem Cantallops Ramis Sender: guillem@gmail.com To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <778624140510061429q4189a2a0v4c00811e61884526@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <778624140510061429q4189a2a0v4c00811e61884526@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: I want my pixels back O:-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:53:44 -0000 Excuse me, I'm not going to annoy you any more with this. Those agreeing with me can use Firefox + Greasemonkey + my script to fix the container width issue and put back to work all those bored pixels, left and right. Now I _do_ like the new web site. Yeah, I love it ;-) http://bulma.net/beowulf/greasemonkey/fix-new-freebsd_org.user.js -- Guillem From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 00:54:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3223316A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:54:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nb_root@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D655843D45 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:54:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nb_root@videotron.ca) Received: from clk01a ([66.130.198.54]) by VL-MO-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IO800I0R2JBKP50@VL-MO-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:54:39 -0400 From: Nicolas Blais In-reply-to: <20051011202759.H42970@pemaquid.safeport.com> To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-id: <200510112054.47406.nb_root@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=nextPart1986258.d0RRkTOsxT; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <20051011202759.H42970@pemaquid.safeport.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 Subject: Re: link to ports page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:54:49 -0000 --nextPart1986258.d0RRkTOsxT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On October 11, 2005 08:29 pm, doug@safeport.com wrote: > This is to request that a shortcut to the ports page be added to the > shortcuts in the upper left section of the page: > > http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ > > _____ > Douglas Denault > http://www.safeport.com > doug@safeport.com > Voice: 301-469-8766 > Fax: 301-469-0601 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-www@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-www-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I agree, that's why I sent a PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D87016 Nicolas. =2D-=20 =46reeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Oct 8 11:27:39 EDT 2005 =20 nicblais@clk01a:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CLK01A=20 PGP? : http://www.clkroot.net/security/nb_root.asc --nextPart1986258.d0RRkTOsxT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDTF7Xz38ton5LGeIRAhXIAJ9NAG5ifRsSy8pajzA2tql6ByuXJACgmTuq pGQk5WvZKp4zFiTZ2Bu2lv4= =knjk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1986258.d0RRkTOsxT-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 00:57:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E435216A44D for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:57:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AC243D45 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:57:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id A94A91CC67; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:57:45 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Nicolas Blais Message-ID: <20051012005745.GE76981@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051011202759.H42970@pemaquid.safeport.com> <200510112054.47406.nb_root@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510112054.47406.nb_root@videotron.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: link to ports page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:57:47 -0000 On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 08:54:39PM -0400, Nicolas Blais wrote: > > This is to request that a shortcut to the ports page be added to the > > shortcuts in the upper left section of the page: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ > > > I agree, that's why I sent a PR. > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87016 I agreed initially, then it was pointed out that our ports page is not very good. It would be better if we could make that page better before putting a prominent link to it. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 05:37:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090F116A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:37:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ahartwig@iprg.nokia.com) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (darkstar.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6E343D45 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:37:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ahartwig@iprg.nokia.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id j9C54fv22107 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:04:41 -0700 X-mProtect: <200510120504> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from oz-net-6.iprg.nokia.com (205.226.7.134, claiming to be "[205.226.7.134]") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdu1oELt; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:04:40 PDT Message-ID: <434CA0F7.7020903@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:36:55 +1000 From: Arthur Hartwig User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Comments on the new web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:37:11 -0000 I like the look of the new site but its not obvious to me where to find resources such as the package and port database and web access to the source tree and cvs history other than going through the old web site (http://www.freebsd.org/old) From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 06:53:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8A016A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:53:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdaniel7@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C8F43D45 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:53:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdaniel7@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s15so34318wxc for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:53:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EopSkdHu298WSx5LxlPz5VQmoRkQM0zkoAMyB6n39od6rRzuwGGY5oaDvvuZe8NIiGsSZ7CaFaM1gPeve1Uyy4wbcOuWg7Uuqjx9tFuUFB7Ijipuz+HLr+H0kt0a0UCWCaoAzQ0xKt/0rF6aP6jMYVTTUFPU0K+zBWvdnkU2zDs= Received: by 10.70.115.9 with SMTP id n9mr72483wxc; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.115.5 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <89b41e470510112353t4cb22951o8850e0011774e91c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:53:52 +0300 From: Daniel B To: www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <89b41e470510111214x49e105ceufd83e2ac78fc6a93@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89b41e470510111214x49e105ceufd83e2ac78fc6a93@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Fwd: outdated info on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:53:57 -0000 Hi, anyone checked the info to be up-to-date in FreeBSD' web site? Cheers, Dan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel B Date: Oct 11, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: outdated info on www.freebsd.org To: trhodes@freebsd.org Hi, i'm quoting from http://www.freebsd.org/advocacy/myths.html#clustering last paragraph: "In addition to this, Tom Rhodes is currently writing an article designed t= o walk a user through setting up a Parallel Computing environment using FreeBSD and other utilities. Keep an eye out for this article in late 2002 early 2003." being in 2005 this might seem a bit old..and if the article got online here should be a link to it.. Best of luck, Dan From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 07:41:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F5C16A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:41:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7797943D49 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:41:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E48046B7F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:41:43 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051012084026.S57424@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Feature request: shortcut to ports page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:41:44 -0000 I've had at least one person say they miss a link from the front page to the Ports web page, as it contains the easily explorable index of available applications for FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ I wonder if it would make sense to add an "Applications" or "Ports" shortcut on the front page near the FAQ/etc links? It's also generally useful for demonstrating a large application collection... Thanks, Robert N M Watson From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 08:30:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988AA16A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:30:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B1443D48 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:30:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C8UE3P056120 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:30:14 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9C8UEg5056119; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:30:14 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:30:14 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510120830.j9C8UEg5056119@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Rudolf Cejka Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C24616A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:23:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCE043D46 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:23:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j9C8NXXA030603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.13.5/8.13.1/Submit) id j9C8NXpL030602; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:23:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from cejkar) Message-Id: <200510120823.j9C8NXpL030602@kazi.fit.vutbr.cz> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:23:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Rudolf Cejka To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Cc: Subject: www/87307: Typo fixes for www/share/sgml/usergroups.xml 1.16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rudolf Cejka List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:30:15 -0000 >Number: 87307 >Category: www >Synopsis: Typo fixes for www/share/sgml/usergroups.xml 1.16 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Oct 12 08:30:14 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rudolf Cejka >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: FIT, Brno University of Technology, Czech Republic >Environment: >Description: Below is a patch, which fixes some typo bugs, consistency changes, and link fixes in www/share/sgml/usergroups.xml - the patch is for revision 1.16: --- usergroups.xml.1.16 Wed Oct 12 09:42:13 2005 +++ usergroups.xml.fix.1.16 Wed Oct 12 09:42:14 2005 @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ BSD Users Group Sydney (BUGS) http://www.bugs.au.FreeBSD.org/ - The BSD Users Group Sydney (BUGS) mees every two + The BSD Users Group Sydney (BUGS) meets every two months and have mailing list members from all over NSW. To join the mailing list send a message to @@ -110,8 +110,8 @@ e.V. meets every second Saturday at 17.00. Please visit our web site for more information on dates and our address. We have all kinds of - BSD, but mainly FreeBSD and Mac OS X. Located in Augsburg, - Germany. + BSD, but mainly FreeBSD and Mac OS X. Located in Germany, + Augsburg. @@ -369,7 +369,7 @@ Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group (UAFUG) http://www.uafug.org.ua/ - The Ukranian FreeBSD User Group (UAFUG) is a + The Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group (UAFUG) is a Russian/Ukrainian languages oriented user group for the Ukrainian users of BSD-derivatives, promoting and supporting BSD flavours and Open Source usage. The UAFUG has @@ -388,7 +388,7 @@ Manchester BSD Users Group http://www.bsdgroups.org.uk/manchester - The Manchester BSDUsers Group meets reasonably often in + The Manchester BSD Users Group meets reasonably often in the Lass O'Gowrie, on Charles Street, Manchester. Contact Sam Smith for more information. Located in The United Kingdom, Manchester. @@ -420,7 +420,7 @@ The Ames Free-Unix Group (amesfug) http://www.amesfug.org The Ames Free-Unix Group aims to promote the use of - Free Unix. We meet on the compus of Iowa State Univerity once a + Free Unix. We meet on the campus of Iowa State University once a month and hold a presentation with an open question and answer session afterwards. You can join our mailing list by visiting @@ -434,7 +434,7 @@ http://www.weak.org/buug The Berkeley Unix User Group is a general Unix Users Group for anyone in the San Fransico Bay Area. We meet on a - weeklybasis in downtown Berkeley. Visit the web site or send a + weekly basis in downtown Berkeley. Visit the web site or send a message to buug-request@weak.org with subscribe in the body. Located in Berkeley, CA. @@ -446,7 +446,7 @@ http://www.ccbug.org/ Central California BSD Users Group aims to be a group of people who prefer BSD. All forms are welcome. We meet on the - 2nd Saturday of the month. Locations to be udpated on the + 2nd Saturday of the month. Location to be udpated on the website. @@ -454,7 +454,7 @@ The Capitals District *BSD Users Group http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/cdbug-talk - The Capital District *BSD Users Group draws it's + The Capitals District *BSD Users Group draws it's membership from New York's capital district and the surrounding communities. CDBUG was founded in December of 2004 and has a small bug growing membership. We currently meet on the last @@ -473,7 +473,7 @@ an open-source Unix User Group that meets twice a month in Chicago. For directions and mailing list information, please check our web site - http://ufo.chicago.il.ul. Chicago, IL. + http://ufo.chicago.il.us. Chicago, IL. @@ -502,7 +502,7 @@ The Houston FreeBSD Users Group http://www.houfug.org - The Houston TX Houston FreeBSD Users + The Houston FreeBSD Users Group was formed March 1999. Our goal is to promote and educate Houston area computer users on FreeBSD Unix. We meet on the third Saturday of the month. The group operates a mailing list at @@ -510,7 +510,7 @@ http://www.houfug.org/mailman/listinfo/hou-freebsd. Visit our website at http://www.houfug.org for more information. Located in - Houston. + Houston, TX. @@ -542,7 +542,7 @@ Wichita Area FreeBSD Users Group (WAFUG) http://wafug.yi.org The Wichita Area FreeBSD Users Group (WAFUG) is a free - Users Group provided to anyone in the Whichita area for support + Users Group provided to anyone in the Wichita area for support with FreeBSD and other Unix and Unix-like operating systems. We meet twice a month, usually in a restaurant where you can smoke or drink if you like. Please send us Twin Cities BSD User Group (TCBUG) http://www.tcbug.org The Twin Cities BSD User Group (TCBUG) meets once a - month to discuss issues importand to the BSD community. The + month to discuss issues important to the BSD community. The website carries our major announcements, while you are encouraged to join the mailing list tcbug@tcbug.org to keep up with general group discussion. @@ -610,7 +610,7 @@ BSD Users Group of Orlando (BUGO) http://bugo.zepa.net The BSD Users Group of Orlando (BUGO) is a group based - Orlando, FL that aims to bring a friendly forum to all + in Orlando, FL that aims to bring a friendly forum to all Unix users in the central Florida area, and hopefully beyond. See the BUGO web page for further details. Located in Orlando, FL. @@ -618,9 +618,9 @@ - Westsern Pennsylvania Linux Users Group (WPLUG) + Western Pennsylvania Linux Users Group (WPLUG) http://www.wplug.org - The Western Pennysylvania Linux Users Group (WPLUG) + The Western Pennsylvania Linux Users Group (WPLUG) has a strong and growing community of BSD users that it supports. See our home page ( http://www.wplug.org) for information on regular meetings @@ -634,7 +634,7 @@ The Phoenix BSD Users Group is fully open for business. Anyone from the Phoenix area please feel free to join in http://bsd.phoenix.az.us. - Located in Phoenis, AZ. + Located in Phoenix, AZ. @@ -689,7 +689,7 @@ Seattle BSD Users Group (SeaBUG) http://www.seabug.org The Seattle BSD Users Group (SeaBUG) meets - occasianally. View our web site for more details and for + occasionally. View our web site for more details and for information on how to join our mailing list. Located in Seattle, WA. @@ -783,7 +783,7 @@ The GTABUG User Group welcomes all BSD users. Monthly meetings give attendees a chance to share ideas, discussion and information. Installations and other events help preach the good - news of BSD to the community. Come drop by for a meeting!. + news of BSD to the community. Come drop by for a meeting! Located in Greater Toronto Area, Ontario. @@ -799,7 +799,7 @@ Greater Utah BSD Users Group (GUBUG) http://www.gubug.org - The Greather Utah BSD Users Group (GUBUG), formerly + The Greater Utah BSD Users Group (GUBUG), formerly known as SLLUG-BUG, and affiliated with the Salt Lake Linux Users Group, is based in Salt Lake City, Utah. We welcome users of FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD or even Unix or Linux. @@ -856,7 +856,7 @@ FreeBSD-Milwaukee http://www.sol.net/freebsd-mke FreeBSD-Milwaukee Wisconsin meets occasionally and - has a mailing list: + has a mailing list: freebsd-mke-l@ns.sol.net send e-mail to freebsd-mke-l-request@ns.sol.net to subscribe. @@ -867,7 +867,7 @@ The China FreeBSD User Group (CNFUG) http://www.cnfug.org The China FreeBSD User Group (CNFUG) was formed May - 2003. It publishes the CNFUG Journal (A FreeBSD Tehnical Journal + 2003. It publishes the CNFUG Journal (A FreeBSD Technical Journal in Simplified Chinese) monthly. In addition, we offer a BSD UNIX Support forum, IRC and several mailing lists in Chinese. Located in China. @@ -898,7 +898,7 @@ The Daibou East *BSD Users Group (DEBUG) http://www.debug.gr.jp The Daibou East *BSD Users Group (DEBUG) is now - forming for "*BSD users in Tsukuba area. Located in Ibaraki, + forming for *BSD users in Tsukuba area. Located in Ibaraki, Japan. @@ -917,9 +917,9 @@ The Israeli *BSD Users Group mailto:bsd-il@libagent.org The Israeli *BSD Users Group has a mailing list for - general discussion of *BSD operating systems for Israeli users - , which includes topics such as setting up and working with - Hewbrew in BSD and setting up Internet connections with ISPs. + general discussion of *BSD operating systems for Israeli users, + which includes topics such as setting up and working with + Hebrew in BSD and setting up Internet connections with ISPs. The Israeli *BSD mailing list promotes the use of *BSD throughout the country, and acts as an information center for all *BSD users. Mailing list posts can be sent to Unix + href="http://staff.mybsd.org.my/skywizard/bsd-explorer">Unix file manager. Visit our web site or contact info@MyBSD.org.my for more information. @@ -982,7 +982,7 @@ The New Zealand FreeBSD Users Group http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org - The New Zealand FreeBSD UsersGroup is located in + The New Zealand FreeBSD Users Group is located in Wellington. No meetings have been scheduled yet. @@ -998,7 +998,7 @@ The BSD Users Group Peru - http://www.bsdperu.org + http://www.bsd.org.pe The BSD Users Group Peru is a group of people with the objective to promote the use of the different *BSD systems in Peru. They provide information, documentation and forums for discussion. @@ -1011,7 +1011,7 @@ The Brazilian FreeBSD User Group (FUG-BR) http://www.fug.com.br - The Brazilian FreeBSD User Group (FUB-BR) is a + The Brazilian FreeBSD User Group (FUG-BR) is a Portuguese language oriented User Group intended to help Brazilian FreeBSD users to find support and articles on and about FreeBSD in the Portuguese language. We keep some projects @@ -1027,7 +1027,7 @@ User Group BsdSul http://bsdsul.gnx.com.br - The User Group BsdSul (Grupo de Usuarios + The User Group BsdSul (Grupo de Usuarios de FreeBSD du Sul do Brasil) is a South Brazilian User Group of FreeBSD. They provide information, documentation and forums for discussion. For more @@ -1040,7 +1040,7 @@ http://bsdpakistan.org/ BSD Pakistan is a user community who aims to promote and educate people about BSD Operating Systems; including FreeBSD, - NetBSD, OpenBSD, DragonFly BSD and MacOSX. For more information + NetBSD, OpenBSD, DragonFly BSD and Mac OS X. For more information please visit our web site. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 10:21:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1675316A41F; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:21:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4911B43D48; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:21:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EPdkB-000AhJ-9A; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:21:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:21:55 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20051012102155.GE99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Murray Stokely , Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org References: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> <434C1B5D.303@FreeBSD.org> <20051011224812.GC73646@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ANwsuk3Muel3MOM0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051011224812.GC73646@freebsdmall.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, Wolfram Schneider Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:21:57 -0000 --ANwsuk3Muel3MOM0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="zIy/tJHoBBdASg6V" Content-Disposition: inline --zIy/tJHoBBdASg6V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 03:48:12PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:06:53PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > you know that search engines like yahoo or google index > > only 1/5 - 1/2 of a typical web site?! If a problem occurs, > > you have to wait until the next update - your are > > offline for at least 30 days. >=20 > There are sitemap APIs that allow you to get full coverage and much > quicker updates, e.g. >=20 > https://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/docs/en/about.html >=20 > Still, your points are well taken and it makes it clear that trying to > get the best of both worlds (relevant results from a commercial search > engine and the breadth and immediacy given by search.cgi) would not be > trivial. Hmm, I don't know. Attached is a port of the sitemap generator and a sample config file for it. Looks pretty simple. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --zIy/tJHoBBdASg6V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sitemapgen-port.diff" Index: www/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/pcvs/ports/www/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.1196 diff -u -r1.1196 Makefile --- www/Makefile 12 Oct 2005 05:54:42 -0000 1.1196 +++ www/Makefile 12 Oct 2005 10:17:31 -0000 @@ -769,6 +769,7 @@ SUBDIR += simplog SUBDIR += sitebar SUBDIR += sitecopy + SUBDIR += sitemapgen SUBDIR += skytemplate SUBDIR += slash SUBDIR += smarty Index: www/sitemapgen/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: www/sitemapgen/Makefile diff -N www/sitemapgen/Makefile --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ www/sitemapgen/Makefile 12 Oct 2005 10:17:31 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +# New ports collection makefile for: sitemapgen +# Date Created: 12 Oct 2005 +# Whom: ceri +# +# $FreeBSD$ +# + +PORTNAME= sitemapgen +PORTVERSION= 1.3 +CATEGORIES= www +MASTER_SITES= ${MASTER_SITE_SOURCEFORGE} +MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR= goog-sitemapgen +DISTNAME= sitemap_gen-${PORTVERSION} + +MAINTAINER= ceri@FreeBSD.org +COMMENT= A Google sitemap generator + +USE_PYTHON= yes + +NOMAN= yes + +do-build: + +do-configure: + +do-install: + ${INSTALL_SCRIPT} ${WRKSRC}/sitemap_gen.py ${PREFIX}/bin/sitemap_gen +.if !defined(NOPORTDOCS) + ${MKDIR} ${DOCSDIR} +.for DOC in AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog PKG-INFO README example_config.xml example_urllist.txt + ${INSTALL} ${WRKSRC}/${DOC} ${DOCSDIR} +.endfor +.endif + +.include Index: www/sitemapgen/distinfo =================================================================== RCS file: www/sitemapgen/distinfo diff -N www/sitemapgen/distinfo --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ www/sitemapgen/distinfo 12 Oct 2005 10:17:31 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@ +MD5 (sitemap_gen-1.3.tar.gz) = 641e1b4d9bff39b4fb599a267727b605 +SIZE (sitemap_gen-1.3.tar.gz) = 29975 Index: www/sitemapgen/pkg-descr =================================================================== RCS file: www/sitemapgen/pkg-descr diff -N www/sitemapgen/pkg-descr --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ www/sitemapgen/pkg-descr 12 Oct 2005 10:17:31 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +The sitemap_gen.py script analyzes your web server and generates one or +more Sitemap files. These files are XML listings of content you make +available on your web server. The files can then be directly submitted +to Google. + +Written by opensource@google.com. + +WWW: https://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/docs/en/about.html Index: www/sitemapgen/pkg-plist =================================================================== RCS file: www/sitemapgen/pkg-plist diff -N www/sitemapgen/pkg-plist --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ www/sitemapgen/pkg-plist 12 Oct 2005 10:17:31 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +bin/sitemap_gen +%%PORTDOCS%%%%DOCSDIR%%/AUTHORS +%%PORTDOCS%%%%DOCSDIR%%/COPYING +%%PORTDOCS%%%%DOCSDIR%%/ChangeLog +%%PORTDOCS%%%%DOCSDIR%%/PKG-INFO +%%PORTDOCS%%%%DOCSDIR%%/README +%%PORTDOCS%%%%DOCSDIR%%/example_config.xml +%%PORTDOCS%%%%DOCSDIR%%/example_urllist.txt +%%PORTDOCS%%@dirrm %%DOCSDIR%% --zIy/tJHoBBdASg6V-- --ANwsuk3Muel3MOM0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDTOPDocfcwTS3JF8RAvGVAKDKWvPpLvPutwz36/9epjroYXVLlgCgioJa 5XH2oS2obsAcZ8SV0jEn7PU= =I7Bg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ANwsuk3Muel3MOM0-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 13:31:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26E916A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:31:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@apriori.net) Received: from modena360.cwihosting.com (modena360.cwihosting.com [209.18.76.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184E543D46 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:31:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@apriori.net) Received: from apriori by modena360.cwihosting.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EPgho-0006be-7E for freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:31:40 -0400 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user nospam@apriori.net) by www.apriori.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <54228.127.0.0.1.1129123900.squirrel@www.apriori.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:31:40 -0400 (EDT) From: nospam@apriori.net To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - modena360.cwihosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [688 689] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apriori.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: new web site rendering X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:31:43 -0000 I noticed that the new web site renders incorrectly in the Konqueror browser on my FreeBSD system (Konqueror 3.1.4). I hope the html isn't so specialized that we need to run specific versions of specific browsers... From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 13:40:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799F616A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:40:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1018043D45 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:40:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EPgq4-000CxC-J1; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:40:12 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:40:12 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: nospam@apriori.net Message-ID: <20051012134012.GG99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , nospam@apriori.net, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org References: <54228.127.0.0.1.1129123900.squirrel@www.apriori.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0IwHBcjDjA/2rLAC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54228.127.0.0.1.1129123900.squirrel@www.apriori.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: new web site rendering X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:40:20 -0000 --0IwHBcjDjA/2rLAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 09:31:40AM -0400, nospam@apriori.net wrote: > I noticed that the new web site renders incorrectly in the Konqueror > browser on my FreeBSD system (Konqueror 3.1.4). I hope the html isn't so > specialized that we need to run specific versions of specific browsers... Well, no, it's standards compliant. Which amounts to the same thing, I guess : Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --0IwHBcjDjA/2rLAC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDTRI8ocfcwTS3JF8RAguSAKC9B4ffaxF37NCFMq9Lz9PQjjDyVACgr5qa Jwk5WqGLUlvGB4hewqvtGsw= =gMKU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0IwHBcjDjA/2rLAC-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 17:12:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C1C16A420; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:12:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F59A43D46; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:12:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 339A31CC71; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:12:50 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Ceri Davies , Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051012171250.GC6022@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> <434C1B5D.303@FreeBSD.org> <20051011224812.GC73646@freebsdmall.com> <20051012102155.GE99170@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051012102155.GE99170@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:12:52 -0000 On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 11:21:55AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > Hmm, I don't know. Attached is a port of the sitemap generator and a > sample config file for it. Looks pretty simple. Very cool. I also see google already has over 4 million documents indexed at just 'www.freebsd.org'. How many documents does search.cgi have indexed? Let's definitely get that port committed so we can play around with adding hooks in the www/ makefiles. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 17:17:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893CF16A41F; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:17:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB74B43D46; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:17:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EPkEM-0008Xx-B6; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:17:30 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:17:30 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Murray Stokely , simon@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051012171730.GJ99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Murray Stokely , simon@FreeBSD.org, Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org References: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> <434C1B5D.303@FreeBSD.org> <20051011224812.GC73646@freebsdmall.com> <20051012102155.GE99170@submonkey.net> <20051012171250.GC6022@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dNAMVNv5nvnU4ZiI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051012171250.GC6022@freebsdmall.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, Wolfram Schneider Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:17:34 -0000 --dNAMVNv5nvnU4ZiI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 10:12:50AM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 11:21:55AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > Hmm, I don't know. Attached is a port of the sitemap generator and a > > sample config file for it. Looks pretty simple. >=20 > Very cool. I also see google already has over 4 million documents > indexed at just 'www.freebsd.org'. How many documents does search.cgi > have indexed? Let's definitely get that port committed so we can play > around with adding hooks in the www/ makefiles. Alright, cool. simon, you have the ports bit; can you check it over and commit it? (uploaded to http://people.freebsd.org/~ceri/sitemapgen-port.diff to save sending it again). Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --dNAMVNv5nvnU4ZiI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDTUUqocfcwTS3JF8RAu/wAJ0b6xS77Hypwi5CPYaG7qJmK+BR9QCePJFc BtdZDLq1lZzbfQZYFxN8t2U= =iN1Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dNAMVNv5nvnU4ZiI-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 17:36:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA5716A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:36:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF20943D45 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:36:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6C61CD3B for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:36:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA4C1CCFE for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:36:03 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.5) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <914728928.20051012193603@rulez.sk> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20051012171250.GC6022@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> <434C1B5D.303@FreeBSD.org> <20051011224812.GC73646@freebsdmall.com> <20051012102155.GE99170@submonkey.net> <20051012171250.GC6022@freebsdmall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.761 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.638, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -3.761 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re[2]: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:36:20 -0000 Hello www@, Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 7:12:50 PM, you wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 11:21:55AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: >> Hmm, I don't know. Attached is a port of the sitemap generator and a >> sample config file for it. Looks pretty simple. > Very cool. I also see google already has over 4 million documents > indexed at just 'www.freebsd.org'. How many documents does search.cgi > have indexed? Let's definitely get that port committed so we can play > around with adding hooks in the www/ makefiles. Actually, I really like idea of searching via google or maybe yahoo for political reasons. Let's go for it... > - Murray -- Greetings, Daniel Gerzo From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 17:42:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6123416A420 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:42:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdaniel7@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92C743D46 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:42:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdaniel7@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h31so159894wxd for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:42:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AeJodGKoRU1IJC/jLxjiV04NaSX0B5/F6h+F1m2npR8vbTdJVFsyl8WrWR0gLw1w0TgBIdz+yr3VpY3uBWnLvynK0RjlKWS9WVgCTA+kxWBPLEDyYmMOEKKly6SdySmvqsVpgQ9b4mNHyKNTdIKzoFf6+a8iwKvXa7UXIdQh/9A= Received: by 10.70.103.13 with SMTP id a13mr258170wxc; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.115.5 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <89b41e470510121042h62829d45yd6211f67484cc62f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:42:47 +0300 From: Daniel B To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org. In-Reply-To: <89b41e470510111214x49e105ceufd83e2ac78fc6a93@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89b41e470510111214x49e105ceufd83e2ac78fc6a93@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Fwd: outdated info on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:42:48 -0000 Hi, has anyone checked the info to be up-to-date in FreeBSD' web site? [I hope this time I'm in the right place..] Cheers, Dan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel B Date: Oct 11, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: outdated info on www.freebsd.org To: trhodes@freebsd.org Hi, i'm quoting from http://www.freebsd.org/advocacy/myths.html#clustering last paragraph: "In addition to this, Tom Rhodes is currently writing an article designed t= o walk a user through setting up a Parallel Computing environment using FreeBSD and other utilities. Keep an eye out for this article in late 2002 early 2003." being in 2005 this might seem a bit old..;) Best of luck, Dan From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 17:46:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F8216A41F; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:46:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C6743D46; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:46:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CHk7HK027609; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:46:07 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9CHk7xk027605; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:46:07 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:46:07 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510121746.j9CHk7xk027605@freefall.freebsd.org> To: remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87336: Problems with Web Site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:46:08 -0000 Synopsis: Problems with Web Site Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->freebsd-www Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Oct 12 17:45:10 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: This does not belong in the advocacy category but in the www category. Move it there. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87336 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 17:47:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB74816A422; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:47:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8096443D49; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:47:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CHl9OW027682; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:47:09 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9CHl9tp027678; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:47:09 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:47:09 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510121747.j9CHl9tp027678@freefall.freebsd.org> To: delaroca@mminternet.com, remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87336: Problems with Web Site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:47:09 -0000 Synopsis: Problems with Web Site State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback State-Changed-By: remko State-Changed-When: Wed Oct 12 17:46:12 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: Could you give us some more information about the problems you are facing? Without any more information we will not be able to help you nor will we be able to update the website if needed. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87336 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 18:18:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB0916A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:18:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arved@arved.at) Received: from 21322530218.direct.eti.at (21322530218.direct.eti.at [213.225.30.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC90343D45 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:18:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arved@arved.at) Received: from [192.168.3.25] (minimac.arved.de [192.168.3.25]) by 21322530218.direct.eti.at (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CII5Bg073863; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:18:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from arved@arved.at) In-Reply-To: <434CA0F7.7020903@iprg.nokia.com> References: <434CA0F7.7020903@iprg.nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <35fc75c704ae3c05a11831fd56e95194@arved.at> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tilman Linneweh Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:14:00 +0200 To: Arthur Hartwig X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Comments on the new web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:18:10 -0000 On Oct 12, 2005, at 7:36, Arthur Hartwig wrote: > I like the look of the new site but its not obvious to me where to > find resources such as the package and port database and web access to > the source tree and cvs history other than going through the old web > site (http://www.freebsd.org/old) Yes, adding a link to CVSweb to the shortcuts section would be nice. Both NetBSD and OpenBSD have one on their frontpage. regards tilman From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 20:24:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4171E16A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:24:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E8B43D46 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:24:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C519E1CCDD; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:24:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2C2C21CC8C; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:24:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:24:13 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051012202413.GA69930@daemon.rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Arthur Hartwig , Tilman Linneweh Subject: Re[2]: Comments on the new web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:24:22 -0000 Hello www@, I like this idea too. Here is diff: --- index.xsl.orig Wed Oct 12 22:19:30 2005 +++ index.xsl Wed Oct 12 22:22:10 2005 @@ -171,7 +171,9 @@
  • Ports
    • - +
  • + CVS Repository +
    • -- Regards, Daniel Gerzo From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 20:40:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF1B16A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:40:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182DB43D48 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:40:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 09BB21CC5E; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:40:53 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Daniel Gerzo Message-ID: <20051012204052.GE10278@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051012202413.GA69930@daemon.rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051012202413.GA69930@daemon.rulez.sk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Tilman Linneweh , Arthur Hartwig Subject: Re: Comments on the new web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:40:53 -0000 I think clicking on 'Developers' in the main navbar is a clear way to get to this information, and I don't think CVSweb is as clearly a destination as the Handbook that we just added to the Shortcuts list. Remember that one of the primary things we were aiming to fix with the old site was that there were too many links on the front page. In this case, I think it's clear, if I'm looking for CVS information I would click on developers. The CVS repository is too detailed and clutters the front page, IMHO. If you still insist, which item do you intend to remove from the Shortcuts list to make space? The FAQ? - Murray On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 10:24:13PM +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Hello www@, > > I like this idea too. Here is diff: > > --- index.xsl.orig Wed Oct 12 22:19:30 2005 > +++ index.xsl Wed Oct 12 22:22:10 2005 > @@ -171,7 +171,9 @@ >
  • > Ports >
    • > - > +
  • > + CVS Repository > +
    • > > > > > -- > Regards, > Daniel Gerzo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-www@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-www-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 20:42:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF9016A41F; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:42:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFB143D45; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:42:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5748119C4F; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:43:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 985CA114A7; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:41:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:41:58 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Ceri Davies , Murray Stokely , Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051012204158.GB885@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> <434C1B5D.303@FreeBSD.org> <20051011224812.GC73646@freebsdmall.com> <20051012102155.GE99170@submonkey.net> <20051012171250.GC6022@freebsdmall.com> <20051012171730.GJ99170@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051012171730.GJ99170@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:42:02 -0000 --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.12 18:17:30 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 10:12:50AM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 11:21:55AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > Hmm, I don't know. Attached is a port of the sitemap generator and a > > > sample config file for it. Looks pretty simple. > >=20 > > Very cool. I also see google already has over 4 million documents > > indexed at just 'www.freebsd.org'. How many documents does search.cgi > > have indexed? Let's definitely get that port committed so we can play > > around with adding hooks in the www/ makefiles. >=20 > Alright, cool. simon, you have the ports bit; can you check it over and > commit it? (uploaded to > http://people.freebsd.org/~ceri/sitemapgen-port.diff to save sending it > again). Big mistake getting that ports commit bit... Pav also just tells me to go fix it myself when I try to offload my ports stuff on him ;-). Anyway, it's committed with a few fixes by Erwin. If something need to be tested/installed on www.freebsd.org etc. for this, feel free to poke me. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDTXUWh9pcDSc1mlERAgtLAKCI+n3oWbg4uFqBaOrS7v3MJNfXjwCfbVvV XHaKxX73QUUmy25tLX/RVyk= =EZ5w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 20:47:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A4516A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:47:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83DC43D46 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:46:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AB01CD3B; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:46:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E601CC8F; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:46:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:42:18 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.5) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <55778365.20051012224218@rulez.sk> To: Murray Stokely In-Reply-To: <20051012204052.GE10278@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051012202413.GA69930@daemon.rulez.sk> <20051012204052.GE10278@freebsdmall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.673 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.726, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -3.673 X-Spam-Level: Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Tilman Linneweh , Arthur Hartwig Subject: Re[2]: Comments on the new web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:47:00 -0000 Hello Murray, Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 10:40:53 PM, you wrote: > I think clicking on 'Developers' in the main navbar is a clear way to > get to this information, and I don't think CVSweb is as clearly a > destination as the Handbook that we just added to the Shortcuts list. > Remember that one of the primary things we were aiming to fix with the > old site was that there were too many links on the front page. > In this case, I think it's clear, if I'm looking for CVS information I > would click on developers. The CVS repository is too detailed and > clutters the front page, IMHO. > If you still insist, which item do you intend to remove from the > Shortcuts list to make space? The FAQ? Why do you need more space? I use 1024x768 resolution and there is enough space to add a few more links... > - Murray > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 10:24:13PM +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: >> Hello www@, >> >> I like this idea too. Here is diff: >> -- Sincerely, Daniel Gerzo From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 20:49:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6000016A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:49:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBDF43D4C for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:49:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 945CA1CC5C; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:49:55 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Daniel Gerzo Message-ID: <20051012204955.GF10278@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051012202413.GA69930@daemon.rulez.sk> <20051012204052.GE10278@freebsdmall.com> <55778365.20051012224218@rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55778365.20051012224218@rulez.sk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Tilman Linneweh , Arthur Hartwig Subject: Re: Comments on the new web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:49:56 -0000 On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 10:42:18PM +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Why do you need more space? I use 1024x768 resolution and there is > enough space to add a few more links... It is not physical space but clutter. The more links you have the harder it is to find the relevant ones. With 10 links, it is easy to find a 'developers' link. If you clutter that with 30 links, the same 'developers' link becomes much harder to find. That's why people contantly couldn't find things like the 'release engineering' link on the old front page. Putting as many links as will fit is the problem, not the solution. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 20:55:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B22C16A41F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:55:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2094743D53 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:55:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2792F1CD3B for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:55:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6F71CC8F for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:55:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:50:40 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.5) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <687106121.20051012225040@rulez.sk> To: www@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.645, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -3.754 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: links to the translations on index.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:55:25 -0000 Hi www, I would like to ask, why the link to the English translation of the web page is on the second place of the languagenavlist section? Shouldn't this be on the first place before German translation, since English is the primary language? If so, I can prepare diff (actually I can do so tomorrow, because I'm little bit tired now and I'm heading to the bed :)). -- Best regards, Daniel Gerzo From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 21:05:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E051916A41F; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:05:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0007543D5A; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:05:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCFD1CD39; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:05:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226F71CC8F; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:05:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:00:34 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.5) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1858076756.20051012230034@rulez.sk> To: Murray Stokely In-Reply-To: <20051012204955.GF10278@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051012202413.GA69930@daemon.rulez.sk> <20051012204052.GE10278@freebsdmall.com> <55778365.20051012224218@rulez.sk> <20051012204955.GF10278@freebsdmall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.688 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.711, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -3.688 X-Spam-Level: Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Tilman Linneweh , Arthur Hartwig Subject: Re[2]: Comments on the new web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:05:23 -0000 Hello Murray, Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 10:49:55 PM, you answered: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 10:42:18PM +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: >> Why do you need more space? I use 1024x768 resolution and there is >> enough space to add a few more links... > It is not physical space but clutter. The more links you have the > harder it is to find the relevant ones. With 10 links, it is easy to > find a 'developers' link. If you clutter that with 30 links, the same > 'developers' link becomes much harder to find. That's why people > contantly couldn't find things like the 'release engineering' link on > the old front page. Actually, when one want to get to the cvs repository through our web page, he needs 3 more clicks if he know what is he seeking for (Developers->CVS Repository->web interface does the trick). This is pretty long way and the Shortcuts are meant to simplify those steps, aren't they? > Putting as many links as will fit is the problem, not the solution. I think that cvsweb is pretty much used between developers and contributors (but personally, when I need to check something through cvsweb, I'm not going through main web page, I just click on cvsweb.freebsd.org)... > - Murray -- Cheers, Daniel Gerzo From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 21:40:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16CC16A42D for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:40:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB2643D5A for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:40:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 73EBF1CC5C; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:40:08 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Daniel Gerzo Message-ID: <20051012214008.GG10278@freebsdmall.com> References: <687106121.20051012225040@rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <687106121.20051012225040@rulez.sk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: links to the translations on index.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:40:08 -0000 On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 10:50:40PM +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Shouldn't this be on the first place before German translation, > since English is the primary language? If so, I can prepare diff > (actually I can do so tomorrow, because I'm little bit tired now and > I'm heading to the bed :)). Alphabetical works well. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 21:43:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2190816A420; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:43:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61EE43D64; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:43:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 2C4E51CC59; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:43:23 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Daniel Gerzo Message-ID: <20051012214323.GH10278@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051012202413.GA69930@daemon.rulez.sk> <20051012204052.GE10278@freebsdmall.com> <55778365.20051012224218@rulez.sk> <20051012204955.GF10278@freebsdmall.com> <1858076756.20051012230034@rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1858076756.20051012230034@rulez.sk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Tilman Linneweh , Arthur Hartwig Subject: Re: Comments on the new web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:43:32 -0000 On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 11:00:34PM +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > > It is not physical space but clutter. The more links you have the > > harder it is to find the relevant ones. With 10 links, it is easy to > > find a 'developers' link. If you clutter that with 30 links, the same > > 'developers' link becomes much harder to find. That's why people > > contantly couldn't find things like the 'release engineering' link on > > the old front page. > > Actually, when one want to get to the cvs repository through our web > page, he needs 3 more clicks if he know what is he seeking for > (Developers->CVS Repository->web interface does the trick). This is > pretty long way and the Shortcuts are meant to simplify those > steps, aren't they? No. The goal of the shortcuts is not to add a link to every third level page straight on the main page. That was the point of my previous posts. It makes things to cluttered as the old site demonstrates. If you add a CVS web link to the shortcuts, then where does someone go if they want Anonymous CVS access or CVSup access? Those people might think they should also click on that link since it has CVS in the name, but they would quickly find out that is wrong. With just a developers link it is again, very clear that people seeking things like CVSweb/Anonymous CVS/CVSup type information should go there. > > Putting as many links as will fit is the problem, not the solution. > > I think that cvsweb is pretty much used between > developers and contributors (but personally, when I need to check > something through cvsweb, I'm not going through main web page, I just > click on cvsweb.freebsd.org)... I'm sure most people do just that, which is again why adding the link in the shortcuts would make things more confusing without much benefit. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 12 22:00:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029AD16A41F; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:00:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from mta13.adelphia.net (mta13.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4082C43D45; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:00:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.76.67]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051012220003.OWW23334.mta13.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net>; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:00:03 -0400 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D0AC7B691; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:00:03 -0400 From: Parv To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051012220003.GA45598@holestein.holy.cow> References: <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow> Cc: hrs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem in building www/en: "make: don't know how to make /share/sgml/transtable.xml" X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:00:05 -0000 in message <20051011035727.GA69535@holestein.holy.cow>, wrote Parv thusly... > > cd www/en > make all -DNOPORTSCVS \ > ENGLISH_ONLY=y WITHOUT_DOC=y WEB_ONLY=y \ ... > make: don't know how to make /share/sgml/transtable.xml. Stop ( Later, Hiroki S suggested to run make w/o any options which resulted in different error, duly posted to the list. ) Reading recent messages does not make me fill w/ confidence about the acceptance of my patches, not what i had|have in mind anyway. Considering that, i have lost interest in solving the problem(s) discussed in this thread. Hiroki, i want to assure that this has nothing to do me waiting for your response. I have no problem in waiting to solve the problem(s), but have serious doubt that solving the problem will not get my patched (if any) accepted. I will just updated/add my own bookmarks, CSS, and if needed be, JavaScript too. - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 13 12:09:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AAF16A467; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:09:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39C643D46; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:09:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (flz@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DC9t9Y083290; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:09:55 GMT (envelope-from flz@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from flz@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9DC9tCS083286; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:09:55 GMT (envelope-from flz) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:09:55 GMT From: Florent Thoumie Message-Id: <200510131209.j9DC9tCS083286@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nb_root@videotron.ca, flz@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87016: Missing a link to /ports in main page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:09:57 -0000 Synopsis: Missing a link to /ports in main page State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: flz State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 13 12:09:38 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: Murray added it in index.xsl rev. 1.137. Thanks for your submission. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87016 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 02:33:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A737616A41F for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from deanmaros@home.se) Received: from mail-09.popmailhub-2.com (mail-09.name-services.com [66.151.130.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ED443D45 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from deanmaros@home.se) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([83.227.195.231]) by mail-09.popmailhub-2.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:32:37 -0700 Message-ID: <434F18D9.8050606@home.se> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 04:32:57 +0200 From: Dean Maros User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0541-2, 2005-10-13), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2005 02:32:37.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AA33D90:01C5D067] Cc: Subject: Broken Links X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:02 -0000 Dear, I've found a broken link in the documentation. Take a look at this page: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-apache.html The link at the bottom of this page "databases/php5-mysql " leads to this warning: ------------------------------------------------------------ The port specified does not exist, or has an invalid name: ports/databases/php5-mysql/pkg-descr You are coming from http://www%2efreebsd%2eorg/doc/en%5fUS%2eISO8859%2d1/books/handbook/network%2dapache%2ehtml . Please contact www@FreeBSD.org ------------------------------------------------------------------- Best Regards, Dean Maros ----------------------------- Dean Maros e-mail: deanmaros@home.se ----------------------------- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 17:00:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6556F16A420 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:00:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F6543D48 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:00:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EH0QpU046750 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:00:26 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EH0QSf046746; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:00:26 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:00:26 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510141700.j9EH0QSf046746@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Adrian Filipi Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFC216A41F for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:55:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adrian@mail.ubergeeks.com) Received: from mail.ubergeeks.com (lorax.ubergeeks.com [209.145.65.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEDD43D45 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:55:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adrian@mail.ubergeeks.com) Received: from mail.ubergeeks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ubergeeks.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EGt8kU054510 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:55:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adrian@mail.ubergeeks.com) Received: (from adrian@localhost) by mail.ubergeeks.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j9EGt8XK054509; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:55:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adrian) Message-Id: <200510141655.j9EGt8XK054509@mail.ubergeeks.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrian Filipi To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Cc: Subject: www/87449: you cannot submit PR's using the website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Filipi List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:00:28 -0000 >Number: 87449 >Category: www >Synopsis: you cannot submit PR's using the website >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 14 17:00:26 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Adrian Filipi >Release: FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE i386 >Organization: Ubergeeks Consulting >Environment: N/A. >Description: The anti-robot feature (image of a text cookie) never thinks I'm human. Even if I type exactly the text shown in the image, I get the following page of text: Incorrect safety code You need to enter the correct code from the image displayed. Please return to the form and enter the code exactly as shown. Thank you. >How-To-Repeat: Load http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html in a web browser like firefox and try to submit a PR. >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 18:00:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3D316A41F for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:00:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB88C43D60 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:00:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EI0RmS054190 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:00:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EI0RsZ054189; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:00:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:00:27 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510141800.j9EI0RsZ054189@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Florent Thoumie Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD2716A41F; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:52:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@xbsd.org) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org (xbsd.org [82.233.2.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6A543D62; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:52:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@xbsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9FE128A0; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:52:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv1.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 99981-02; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:52:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id EC6D4119B7; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:52:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20051014175236.EC6D4119B7@smtp.xbsd.org> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:52:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Florent Thoumie To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Cc: blackend@FreeBSD.org Subject: www/87452: www/fr - update website to reflect latest changes of FreeBSD/ppc project pages X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Florent Thoumie List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:00:31 -0000 >Number: 87452 >Category: www >Synopsis: www/fr - update website to reflect latest changes of FreeBSD/ppc project pages >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 14 18:00:27 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Florent Thoumie >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Xbsd.org >Environment: System: FreeBSD srv1.xbsd.org 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #2: Wed Nov 24 16:35:34 CET 2004 root@gate.xbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/GATE i386 >Description: Everything is in the synopsis. Well, almost, I haven't been able to translate "boot-loader". I guess some words should stay non-translated. >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: --- ppc-fr.diff begins here --- Index: includes.navdevelopers.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/dcvs/www/fr/includes.navdevelopers.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 includes.navdevelopers.sgml --- includes.navdevelopers.sgml 5 Oct 2005 20:09:16 -0000 1.1 +++ includes.navdevelopers.sgml 14 Oct 2005 17:47:50 -0000 @@ -15,6 +15,7 @@
  • i386
  • ia64
  • pc98
    • +
  • ppc
  • sparc64
    • Index: includes.xsl =================================================================== RCS file: /home/dcvs/www/fr/includes.xsl,v retrieving revision 1.16 diff -u -r1.16 includes.xsl --- includes.xsl 12 Oct 2005 12:37:00 -0000 1.16 +++ includes.xsl 14 Oct 2005 17:47:50 -0000 @@ -163,6 +163,7 @@
  • i386
  • ia64
  • pc98
    • +
  • ppc
  • sparc64
    • Index: navigation.xml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/dcvs/www/fr/navigation.xml,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 navigation.xml --- navigation.xml 25 Aug 2005 21:19:33 -0000 1.3 +++ navigation.xml 14 Oct 2005 17:47:50 -0000 @@ -26,6 +26,7 @@ + Index: platforms/ppc.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/dcvs/www/fr/platforms/ppc.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 ppc.sgml --- platforms/ppc.sgml 6 Oct 2005 12:56:06 -0000 1.4 +++ platforms/ppc.sgml 14 Oct 2005 17:47:50 -0000 @@ -3,36 +3,252 @@ + %navincludes; %includes; ]> - - &header; -

    Cette page contient des informations à propos du port de FreeBSD sur - PowerPC.

    +

    Informations générales

    + + + + +

    Introduction

    -

    Liens spécifiques à FreeBSD/PPC

    +

    Les pages du Projet FreeBSD/ppc contiennent des informations sur + le portage de FreeBSD sur l'architecture PowerPC®. Comme le portage + lui même, ces pages sont un travail en cours.

    + +

    Le portage FreeBSD/ppc est toujours une plate-forme Tier-2. Cela veut dire + qu'il n'est pas totalement supporté par notre officier de sécurité, + par l'équipe de sortie des nouvelles versions de FreeBSD et les mainteneurs + de la chaîne de compilation.

    + +
    + +

    Dernières nouvelles

    + +
    + +

    Foire aux questions

    + +
      +
    1. Comment installer FreeBSD/ppc ?
      2. +
    2. Où trouver des paquetages pour FreeBSD/ppc ?
      3. +
    3. Qui contacter en cas de problème ?
      4. +
    + +

    Comment installer FreeBSD/ppc?

    + +

    Des images ISO sont disponibles au téléchargement à cette + adresse. + La dernière version est disponible + ici. + Suivez les instructions données + ici.

    + +

    Où trouver des paquetages pour FreeBSD/ppc?

    + +

    Grâce à Peter Grehan et Tilman Linneweh, vous pouvez trouver quelques + paquetages ici et + et. + +

    Qui contacter en cas de problème?

    + +

    Peter Grehan est le responsable du + portage. Contactez le si vous pouvez participer au portage. Si vous voulez + juste connaître le status du projet, consultez cette page + régulièrement ou inscrivez vous à la liste de diffusion + FreeBSD/ppc.

    + +
    + +

    Matériel supporté

    + +

    Le portage FreeBSD/ppc devrait fonctionner sur n'importe quelle machine + de type New-World. FreeBSD fonctionne sur les machines suivantes:

    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
    FabricantModèleContact (liens optionnels)Notes
    AppleiMac G3 350 MHzMartin MinkusRage 128VR
    AppleiMac G3 Revision BPeter GrehanRage 3D Pro 215GP, accel disabled
    AppleeMac 700 MHzPeter GrehanNvidia GeForce2 MX
    AppleMac Mini G4 1.4 GHzTilman Linneweh + (dmesg)None
    ApplePowerbook G4 1.33 GHzPeter GrehanNvidia GeForce G5200
    AppleAluminium Powerbook G4 1.5 GHzAndreas ToblerNone
    + +
    + +

    Liste de diffusion de FreeBSD/ppc

    + +

    Pour vous inscrire à cette liste, envoyez un courrier à + freebsd-ppc-subscribe@FreeBSD.org + ou visitez + l'interface + mailman.

    + +
    + +

    Problèmes connus

    + +
      +
    • Pas de support AltiVec pour le moment.
      • +
    • Les controlleurs intégrés BMAC+ ne fonctionnent pas. Un driver bm(4) en cours + d'écriture est disponible sur la page personnelle de Peter Grehan + ici (if_bm.c et if_bmreg.h).
      • +
    • Le curseur de la souris n'apparaît pas en mode console.
      • +
    • Fdisk ne marche pas.
      • +
    • Seulement les claviers USB sont supportés.
      • +
    • Si vous avez du Bluetooth, il y a un faux port OHCI et les périphériques + créés peuvent être utilisés pour accéder à un clavier ou à + une souris sans-fil. Le problème est qu'il est détecté avant les + clavier/souris fixes. Pour eviter ceci, l'emplacement PCI associé avec le + périphérique ohci2 problématique peut être désactivé au + chargement: + 
      OK set hint.pcib.1.skipslot=26
      • +
    • Pour les machines à base de cartes graphiques ATI Radeon: +
        +
      • Une vérification d'intervalle syscons doit être désactivée + avec le paramêtre sysctl hw.ofwfb.relax_mmap.
        • +
      • Un + pilote + spécial pour radeon est nécessaire. Vous devez ajouter ceci dans + votre fichier xorg.conf dans la section Device: 
        Option "iBookHacks" "on"
        • +
      +
      • +
    • Il y a un problème connu avec le boot-loader qui empêche de charger + un autre noyau, ce qui fait que tester votre propre noyau est un peu risqué. + Quand vous arrivez au prompt OpenFirmware, donnez lui le nom d'une partition + qui n'existe pas, qui n'a pas de noyau à charger, ou qui n'est pas une + partition UFS: + 
      0 > boot hd:loader hd:0
      + A ce moment vous pouvez changer la valeur de currdev et charger + manuellement votre noyau: + 
      OK set currdev=hd:14
+OK load /boot/kernel/kernel.save
      +
      • +
    • Certains correctifs sont nécessaires pour compiler vos propres systèmes et + noyaux: + +
      • +
    + +
    + +

    Documentation, publication et outils divers

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    &footer; --- ppc-fr.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 19:57:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A163216A41F; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:57:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615FA43D45; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:57:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (blackend@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EJvZUX069859; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:57:35 GMT (envelope-from blackend@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from blackend@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EJvZSW069855; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:57:35 GMT (envelope-from blackend) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:57:35 GMT From: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <200510141957.j9EJvZSW069855@freefall.freebsd.org> To: blackend@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, blackend@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87452: www/fr - update website to reflect latest changes of FreeBSD/ppc project pages X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:57:35 -0000 Synopsis: www/fr - update website to reflect latest changes of FreeBSD/ppc project pages Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->blackend Responsible-Changed-By: blackend Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Oct 14 19:57:13 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: This one is for me. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87452 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 20:10:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C82E16A41F for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:10:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0F543D80 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:10:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKAMqK075081 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:10:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EKAMED075080; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:10:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:10:22 GMT Message-Id: <200510142010.j9EKAMED075080@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: Subject: Re: www/87449: you cannot submit PR's using the website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:10:26 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/87449; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Adrian Filipi Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/87449: you cannot submit PR's using the website Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:07:58 +0300 On 2005-10-14 12:55, Adrian Filipi wrote: > The anti-robot feature (image of a text cookie) never thinks > I'm human. Even if I type exactly the text shown in the > image, I get the following page of text: > > Incorrect safety code > > You need to enter the correct code from the image > displayed. Please return to the form and enter the > code exactly as shown. Thank you. It works fine here. Are you sure a proxy isn't playing nasty games with the pages you view? From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 20:30:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27AA16A421 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D1043D46 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKUICs075857 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EKUI4I075856; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:18 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510142030.j9EKUI4I075856@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Adrian Filipi Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743B116A41F for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:20:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336C243D46 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:20:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EKKxEq033196 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:20:59 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EKKxDb033195; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:20:59 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510142020.j9EKKxDb033195@www.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:20:59 GMT From: Adrian Filipi To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/87459: testing www/87449... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:19 -0000 >Number: 87459 >Category: www >Synopsis: testing www/87449... >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 14 20:30:18 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Adrian Filipi >Release: N/A >Organization: Ubergeeks Consulting >Environment: N/A >Description: N/A >How-To-Repeat: trying to right now... >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 20:30:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B48516A456 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5903D43D46 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKUO9M075937 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EKUNaR075932; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:23 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:23 GMT Message-Id: <200510142030.j9EKUNaR075932@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: Adrian Filipi Cc: Subject: Re: www/87449: you cannot submit PR's using the website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Filipi List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:30:25 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/87449; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Adrian Filipi To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/87449: you cannot submit PR's using the website Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:26:33 -0400 (EDT) No proxies involved. Hrmmm. Sure enough it's working now. Please close the PR and the new test one. Maybe there was an ephemeral problem with the cgi server-side. I basically did exactly the same thing on my end other than include a diff in the 'fix' input. Adrian -- [ adrian@ubergeeks.com ] On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2005-10-14 12:55, Adrian Filipi wrote: >> The anti-robot feature (image of a text cookie) never thinks >> I'm human. Even if I type exactly the text shown in the >> image, I get the following page of text: >> >> Incorrect safety code >> >> You need to enter the correct code from the image >> displayed. Please return to the form and enter the >> code exactly as shown. Thank you. > > It works fine here. Are you sure a proxy isn't playing nasty games with > the pages you view? > From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 20:32:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5DB16A420; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E1343D45; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKWSig077044; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:28 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EKWScD077040; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:28 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:28 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510142032.j9EKWScD077040@freefall.freebsd.org> To: adrian@ubergeeks.com, remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87449: you cannot submit PR's using the website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:29 -0000 Synopsis: you cannot submit PR's using the website State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: remko State-Changed-When: Fri Oct 14 20:32:14 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: Close the PR as per request of the submitter. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87449 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 20:32:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546B416A420; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B8943D45; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKWhqv077105; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:43 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EKWhkn077101; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:43 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:43 GMT From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200510142032.j9EKWhkn077101@freefall.freebsd.org> To: adrian@ubergeeks.com, linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87459: testing www/87449... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:32:44 -0000 Synopsis: testing www/87449... State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: linimon State-Changed-When: Fri Oct 14 20:32:29 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: This was merely a test PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87459 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 20:43:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859FF16A41F; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:43:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E88643D49; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:43:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKh7pR077636; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:43:07 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EKh74G077632; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:43:07 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:43:07 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510142043.j9EKh74G077632@freefall.freebsd.org> To: remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87307: Typo fixes for www/share/sgml/usergroups.xml 1.16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:43:08 -0000 Synopsis: Typo fixes for www/share/sgml/usergroups.xml 1.16 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Oct 14 20:42:58 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will work on this Pr. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87307 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 22:50:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EDE16A41F for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:50:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2353A43D66 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:50:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EMoEvj093186 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:50:14 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EMoE7n093185; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:50:14 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:50:14 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510142250.j9EMoE7n093185@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, VIOLA MICHEL Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7688316A41F for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:47:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4967943D45 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:47:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EMlhC1027541 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:47:43 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EMlhRf027540; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:47:43 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510142247.j9EMlhRf027540@www.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:47:43 GMT From: VIOLA MICHEL To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/87466: Plantage avec Mozilla 1.7.X depuis la version 5.4 de FreeBsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:50:16 -0000 >Number: 87466 >Category: www >Synopsis: Plantage avec Mozilla 1.7.X depuis la version 5.4 de FreeBsd >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 14 22:50:14 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: VIOLA MICHEL >Release: 5.4 >Organization: CE ADP >Environment: VIEWERb.ceadp.fr 5.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE #0: Sun May 8 10:21:06 UTC 2005 root@harlow.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: Mozilla depuis sa version 1.7.X (j'ai essayé jusqu'a 1.7.12) crash dès qu'on lance le menu fichier - imprimer, s'il a été ouvert directement sur le navigateur. (le phénomène se produit systématiquement) >How-To-Repeat: * paramétrer dans les préférences le navigateur pour qu'il se lance sur une sécurisée : https:\\www.creditmutuel.fr * enregistrer et fermer le navigateur * le relancer. * fichier - imprimer -> coredump >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 23:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEA116A41F; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:01:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9BA43D45; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:01:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EN1liP093600; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:01:47 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9EN1lnH093596; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:01:47 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:01:47 GMT From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200510142301.j9EN1lnH093596@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, gnome@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/87466: Plantage avec Mozilla 1.7.X depuis la version 5.4 de FreeBsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:01:48 -0000 Synopsis: Plantage avec Mozilla 1.7.X depuis la version 5.4 de FreeBsd Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->gnome Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Oct 14 23:00:53 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer(s), although I am unsure how many French-speakers there are on the list. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87466 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 10:24:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B58716A41F for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:24:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beaurat@mail.ru) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2304C43D45 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:24:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beaurat@mail.ru) Received: from [130.123.206.235] (port=7337 helo=mail.ru) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1EQjDL-000Oyi-00; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:24:31 +0400 Message-ID: <4350D8D9.4040303@mail.ru> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:24:25 +1300 From: Bora User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: new web site - bring back the old one X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:24:33 -0000 Dear BSD, While appreciating the effort, and regretting being a spoilsport, please, bring back the old web site. It was much easier to navigate, far more informative. There was more information on a single page, so I did not need to make too many clicks to get where I wanted to go. A highly technical web site such as yours is not an adventure game. It is a library! Here, clarity, transparent ordering, and restraint in visual effects wins at all times over any amount of "design skill" applied to it. e.g. On my screen, there is a huge white void between "Learn more" and the "Latest news" way below it. It may "look nice" to a designer devoid of any sense of practicality, but is a huge waste of a resource: the space. This means, less information presented on the page, thus more clicking to find what is where, therefore the waste of time, too. Plus, all the fancy floating frames and other super-duper web design devices clutter the screen, and are not yet universally supported (yes, this one is about the big evil company). If you are dead set on having a new look, please, keep the header, the left and the right column of the old home page, and limit the "fancy designer" stuff to the middle. Regards, B. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 13:49:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC9216A41F for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:49:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 39FA643D49 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:49:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 29586 invoked by uid 104); 15 Oct 2005 13:49:07 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. Clear:SA:0(-1.2/8.0):AWL, BAYES_50 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3. Processed in 2.997924 secs); 15 Oct 2005 13:49:07 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-1.2/8.0):AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -1.2 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.29.244) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 15 Oct 2005 13:49:04 -0000 From: George Danchev To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:49:03 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4350D8D9.4040303@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <4350D8D9.4040303@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510151649.03865.danchev@spnet.net> Cc: Bora Subject: Re: new web site - bring back the old one X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:49:13 -0000 On Saturday 15 October 2005 13:24, Bora wrote: > Dear BSD, > > While appreciating the effort, and regretting being a spoilsport, > please, bring back the old web site. Since that will confirm the total fiasco of the unfinished work being deployed without even basic reviews, it wont happend for sure... thus dont hold your breath waiting for a swithover to the old site ;-) > It was much easier to navigate, far more informative. > There was more information on a single page, so I did not > need to make too many clicks to get where I wanted to go. > A highly technical web site such as yours is not an adventure game. > It is a library! Here, clarity, transparent ordering, and restraint > in visual effects wins at all times over any amount of "design skill" > applied to it. Seconded. I hope that new one is fixable to some extend... till then just bypass it via google asking for site:freebsd.org your-query and you will get a one-click away, plain, flat, simple and sane listing of your favorite links. This is how I've been recently using the new site and that works for me [tm]. > e.g. On my screen, there is a huge white void > between "Learn more" and the "Latest news" way below it. > It may "look nice" to a designer devoid of any sense of practicality, > but is a huge waste of a resource: the space. This means, less > information presented on the page, thus more clicking to find > what is where, therefore the waste of time, too. Also seconded. That have been said way too many times by way too many people... nothing happend yet. Patches, comments and examples for the matter of that were not even being discussed [1]. So do not even try to check it out on any high resolution screens. Smash your high-res laptops, and your brand new 16:9 24in screeny if you happend to have any ;-) [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/thread.html -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 16:01:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199D216A41F for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:01:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) Received: from manganese.bos.dyndns.org (manganese.bos.dyndns.org [63.208.196.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC7843D46 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:01:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) Received: from manganese.bos.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manganese.bos.dyndns.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9FG1Gd2005916 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:01:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) Received: from localhost (twilde@localhost) by manganese.bos.dyndns.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id j9FG1G5K005913 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:01:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.com) X-Authentication-Warning: manganese.bos.dyndns.org: twilde owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Wilde X-X-Sender: twilde@manganese.bos.dyndns.org To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200510151649.03865.danchev@spnet.net> Message-ID: References: <4350D8D9.4040303@mail.ru> <200510151649.03865.danchev@spnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: -1.799 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.53 on 63.208.196.3 Subject: Re: new web site - bring back the old one X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:01:18 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, George Danchev wrote: > Also seconded. That have been said way too many times by way too many > people... nothing happend yet. Patches, comments and examples for the matter > of that were not even being discussed [1]. So do not even try to check it out > on any high resolution screens. Smash your high-res laptops, and your brand > new 16:9 24in screeny if you happend to have any ;-) I don't understand what you're talking about a huge gap of whitespace. I'm looking at it at 1600x1200 without any such "huge gap". I see maybe 20 pixels, and it does a good job of separating the sections of the page. I think it's a far more professional looking and useful website than the old one. As many of the developers who've worked on it have said, the old one was hideously over-cluttered, and had absolutely none of the qualities one looks for in a usable user interface. I could NEVER find the handbook, FAQ, or mailing list links on the old page, now they're quick and easy to find. If you hate having to click on multiple links so much, bookmark the sections that you use the most, and then you'll have the information right in front of you. The information is organized in a logical manner, it's really not that hard to find, if you ignore the fact that the search engine is next to useless (which hasn't changed from the old design, and is being discussed). The homepage of a web site is not designed for power users or people who use that site frequently, at least not as its first audience. The first audience of a web site's homepage is NEW users, people who have never been to the site before, or who do not use it frequently, and the new design does a FAR better job than the old one of helping those users get into the site, and into FreeBSD. In that regard, I think it does its job perfectly. Tim Wilde - -- Tim Wilde twilde@dyndns.com Systems Administrator Dynamic Network Services, Inc. http://www.dyndns.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDUSfLT9UHzqLr6x4RArGPAKCwfnWbODkSHbd59QHOOLQNO70LHQCgmbeF oqrB4gmA40Db/u8kzfGGqMI= =47BS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 17:33:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B286B16A41F for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:33:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07C9F43D49 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:33:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 15772 invoked by uid 104); 15 Oct 2005 17:33:24 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. 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Processed in 4.164869 secs); 15 Oct 2005 17:33:24 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-2.2/8.0):AWL,BAYES_20 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -2.2 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_20 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.29.244) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 15 Oct 2005 17:33:20 -0000 From: George Danchev To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:33:18 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4350D8D9.4040303@mail.ru> <200510151649.03865.danchev@spnet.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510152033.18955.danchev@spnet.net> Subject: Re: new web site - bring back the old one X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:33:28 -0000 On Saturday 15 October 2005 19:01, Tim Wilde wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, George Danchev wrote: > > Also seconded. That have been said way too many times by way too many > > people... nothing happend yet. Patches, comments and examples for the > > matter of that were not even being discussed [1]. So do not even try to > > check it out on any high resolution screens. Smash your high-res laptops, > > and your brand new 16:9 24in screeny if you happend to have any ;-) > > I don't understand what you're talking about a huge gap of whitespace. > I'm looking at it at 1600x1200 without any such "huge gap". I see maybe > 20 pixels, and it does a good job of separating the sections of the page. Really ? do you see the small lonely square filled with junk in the middle ? Since currently the layout/css/layout.css uses fixed px values calibrated to fulfil 800x600's you start losing both sides space at any higher res. E.g. the site is not kept proportionable btw various res, which leads of course to various ratios between objects at various res. Percentages should be used for defining linears instead, but it seems it has never been designed and then calculated, but put together by chance. You do not need to be high profile webmaster, that's basic math you should know about. Also looks inconsitent it at wide screens, such as 16:9. > I think it's a far more professional looking and useful website than the > old one. As many of the developers who've worked on it have said, the old > one was hideously over-cluttered, and had absolutely none of the qualities > one looks for in a usable user interface. I could NEVER find the > handbook, FAQ, or mailing list links on the old page, now they're quick > and easy to find. They will guide people clicking thru the links for good anyway ;-) http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/003021.html > If you hate having to click on multiple links so much, bookmark the > sections that you use the most, and then you'll have the information right > in front of you. The information is organized in a logical manner, it's > really not that hard to find, if you ignore the fact that the search > engine is next to useless (which hasn't changed from the old design, and > is being discussed). > > The homepage of a web site is not designed for power users or people who > use that site frequently, at least not as its first audience. The first > audience of a web site's homepage is NEW users, people who have never been > to the site before, or who do not use it frequently, and the new design > does a FAR better job than the old one of helping those users get into the > site, and into FreeBSD. In that regard, I think it does its job > perfectly. Power/newbie classifications are always vicious. Just make it satisfy as much as possible. But having such relative-unfriendly designs I should admit that putting more content in there make things look more as wreckage... -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 22:03:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E597A16A420 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:03:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dcp1990@neptune.atopia.net) Received: from neptune.atopia.net (neptune.atopia.net [209.128.231.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9874B43D48 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:03:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dcp1990@neptune.atopia.net) Received: by neptune.atopia.net (Postfix, from userid 1034) id C4ECC619E; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:03:04 -0400 From: Dan Ponte To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051015220304.GA61284@neptune.atopia.net> References: <4350D8D9.4040303@mail.ru> <200510151649.03865.danchev@spnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: new web site - bring back the old one X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:03:03 -0000 On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 12:01:14PM -0400, Tim Wilde was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, George Danchev wrote: > > >Also seconded. That have been said way too many times by way too many > >people... nothing happend yet. Patches, comments and examples for the > >matter > >of that were not even being discussed [1]. So do not even try to check it > >out > >on any high resolution screens. Smash your high-res laptops, and your brand > >new 16:9 24in screeny if you happend to have any ;-) > > I don't understand what you're talking about a huge gap of whitespace. > I'm looking at it at 1600x1200 without any such "huge gap". I see maybe > 20 pixels, and it does a good job of separating the sections of the page. > > I think it's a far more professional looking and useful website than the > old one. As many of the developers who've worked on it have said, the old > one was hideously over-cluttered, and had absolutely none of the qualities > one looks for in a usable user interface. I could NEVER find the > handbook, FAQ, or mailing list links on the old page, now they're quick > and easy to find. > > If you hate having to click on multiple links so much, bookmark the > sections that you use the most, and then you'll have the information right > in front of you. The information is organized in a logical manner, it's > really not that hard to find, if you ignore the fact that the search > engine is next to useless (which hasn't changed from the old design, and > is being discussed). > > The homepage of a web site is not designed for power users or people who > use that site frequently, at least not as its first audience. The first > audience of a web site's homepage is NEW users, people who have never been > to the site before, or who do not use it frequently, and the new design > does a FAR better job than the old one of helping those users get into the > site, and into FreeBSD. In that regard, I think it does its job > perfectly. > And that is a big problem. I am willing to bet some money that most visitors to freebsd.org *are* current users who use the materials on the site as a reference. If you make a site pleasing to people who use it most, new users will follow through. Sites that cater to new users are fine for businesses and such with marketing departments. Not for technical sites whose primary purpose is to provide documentation and support for a product. -Dan -- Dan Ponte http://www.theamigan.net/ "Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." -- Lily Tomlin From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 15 22:42:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CCD16A41F for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:42:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from devon.odell@gmail.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAED143D49 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:42:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from devon.odell@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q12so544243qbq for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:42:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GRX8ixu7qOgTmBNQU63uq8gYxIjUt7YJDGOvfX6W/iUHiFJx0nzN8JGft8fS5sBoUQNA5KqPGwcnWDokRIuFq5uGolglMs3rgmUU0AN/tvGMSQP4SrVotLyJPAmUBFKRqX7Bn0mgje1v25p1CnSEaTPZmg8yGm/X5dBv/SBgU78= Received: by 10.65.206.20 with SMTP id i20mr789831qbq; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.185.19 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ab217670510151542x23e1f286w@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:42:30 -0700 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: Dan Ponte In-Reply-To: <20051015220304.GA61284@neptune.atopia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4350D8D9.4040303@mail.ru> <200510151649.03865.danchev@spnet.net> <20051015220304.GA61284@neptune.atopia.net> Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new web site - bring back the old one X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:42:32 -0000 > And that is a big problem. I am willing to bet some money that most > visitors to freebsd.org *are* current users who use the materials on > the site as a reference. If you make a site pleasing to people who use > it most, new users will follow through. > > Sites that cater to new users are fine for businesses and such with > marketing departments. Not for technical sites whose primary purpose > is to provide documentation and support for a product. All sites undergo changes at some point or another. The new site has a new interface and has been reorganized. This brings up two points: a) Current users will need to relearn how to navigate the site. The new layout is a progression. It is not a regression. As current users, we should realize that a new layout is in the best interests of the project for new users and should adapt to it so that we can do two things: i) Sufficiently use the new site, and ii) Cater to new users requesting support who are using the new site. b) The old site is still available at http://www.freebsd.org/old/. If you need to find something and don't have time to figure out where it exists on the new page, you can still go here. Thus, the request to bring it back is silly: it is still available via a different location. I consider the latter point to be moot. The old site is deprecated and will eventually no longer be maintained. All the old data still exists even if it is in another location. Spending an extra 10 seconds to find that data once doesn't seem unreasonable to me. This argument is comparable to changing APIs. At some point, the old one no longer fulfills the current computing situation. New algorithms may exist that require different information or provide better functionality. The APIs are supported for a time until they are no longer applicable, in which case applications should be rewritten to use the new code. As I know you're a developer, you should understand and appreciate this point. The case for the site is similar. For new users, it is exceedingly difficult to navigate and it's very cluttered. While webpages are a tool for conveying information, it is also becoming increasingly clear that they need to have a certain aesthetic aire about them. The problem here is that aesthetics are very subjective. Despite this, most people consider the new site to be more visually pleasing than the old. I have personally also (though only initially) struggled with finding content on the new site. Once you know where it is, though, you don't have to get it a different way the next time. It's just like learning a new API. Once you know how to use it, that's all there is to it. I think that it is thus unjust to petition the `return' of the old site. A decision was made, work has been executed, it is now done. If you've ideas on how to make it better, everyone is open to hear them. Wasting time and bandwidth with a request that is obviously not happening is only counterproductive. I'm a fan of the new site. I think it gives us a good image. It gives new users the idea that we are modern. It is not difficult to navigate when you have remembered the way the new organization is. If you see it this way, it seems impossible to me to not like it. Though, as is always shown, tastes differ. These are the last 2 cents I'll put into this discussion. I've made my point, I think it's a damn good one, and in the end, I think everyone benefits. > -Dan > -- > Dan Ponte > http://www.theamigan.net/ > "Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." > -- Lily Tomlin --Devon