From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 16 05:34:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B7316A402 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:34:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kedar.damle@gmail.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B10543D53 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:34:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kedar.damle@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o60so568647nfa for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:34:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jwWslt8bAeCpFUBLqvUdb9ycTik50VkJEZrys1LLZ7TkNsy3voz68lgzUluC+V+jmO4wJxgY8KI8QD9R+guo5PTTHnx7VVDweufrBsDYdWq/hCdrV5eBoRgd0+/mQ+2X1XJ9Ye++K18Qgo+J6boY0ZZDDmp4dW9ck0N+bInTNBo= Received: by 10.48.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr1227740nfg; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.220.9 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:37:33 +0530 From: "Kedar Damle" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD for all podcast X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:34:32 -0000 Hello all, I have started a new podcast of our favorite OS, the freebsd and would like to invite you all to listen to it. 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From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 17 20:16:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B160E16A401; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DS@praxisvermittlung24.de) Received: from mail.sw-sec.de (mail.sw-sec.de [212.204.60.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1846943D4C; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:16:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from DS@praxisvermittlung24.de) Received: from [192.168.115.21] (62-167-21-24.adslpremium.ch [62.167.21.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sw-sec.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3HKG5ak014154; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:16:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from DS@praxisvermittlung24.de) Message-ID: <4443F887.408@praxisvermittlung24.de> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:20:23 +0200 From: Daniel Seuffert Organization: Seuffert & Waidmann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dru References: <20060412094827.W542@dru.domain.org> <443DC5E3.208@icdsoft.com> <20060414140208.B545@dru.domain.org> In-Reply-To: <20060414140208.B545@dru.domain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, roam@freebsd.org, soc-shteryana@freebsd.org, Nikolay Denev Subject: Re: BSD booth X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: DS@praxisvermittlung24.de List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:16:08 -0000 Dru schrieb: > > I met Nikolay at the BSD booth at Linuxworld Boston and he is interested > in putting together a BSD booth at OpenFest in Sofia, Bulgaria later > this year. Do we have any contacts in that part of the world who can > make sure that there is some FreeBSD swag at the booth? Please cc > Nikolay in any responses in case he is not subscribed to this list. > > Dru Hi Dru and Nikolay :-) The only FreeBSD I know personally in Bulgaria are Shteryana Shopova and Peter Pentchev; I cc'ed both of them. Last time I saw Shteryana at FOSDEM, Brussels, in February I gave her a bunch of FreeBSD-CDs to distribute them in Bulgaria. I would be glad if someone helps Nikolay organizing a booth. I can send him CDs/DVDs, posters and ohter stuff if he likes. It would also be if someone in Bulgaria could translate the stuff at http://www.allbsd.de/src/Flyer/FreeBSD/PDF/ (Please note that we currently work hard to improve those flyers and add 10 more, work is progressing fast). Of course I would like to see people translating those flyers to other languages... If you are interested feel free to contact me. Daniel From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 18 09:11:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8681C16A404 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EB243D6A for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:11:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A7258.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.114.88] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3I9BfPW049142 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:11:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3I9BZAH042797 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:11:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3I9CmQk094597 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:12:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200604180912.k3I9CmQk094597@fire.jhs.private> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message from "Julian H. Stacey" of "Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:48:20 +0200." Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:12:48 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: BSD booth X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:11:45 -0000 > It would also be if someone in Bulgaria could translate the > stuff at http://www.allbsd.de/src/Flyer/FreeBSD/PDF/ (Please > note that we currently work hard to improve those flyers and add > 10 more, work is progressing fast). There's English & German versions of a BSD leaflet at http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ I'll add a link to http://www.allbsd.de/src/Flyer/FreeBSD/PDF/ -- Julian Stacey. Consultant Unix Net & Sys. Eng., Munich. http://berklix.com Mail in Ascii, HTML=spam. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 18 11:50:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D255916A407 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:50:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shteryana@yahoo.com) Received: from web54114.mail.yahoo.com (web54114.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 38E4743D5F for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:50:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shteryana@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6374 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2006 11:50:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DA75QEjjF7dT6K4L5cWQjIzAGIMqJJPgXaSfkR2jD5gF5mp8yXRj17mhmhlpZpmeLsSXonArjL8fYsHrHcc6KIueCZ1eKkAvIg6KYJmxB2qs1jRwnCo2U4UJJAnghJ0te9DLwFXcWPKba+dShAuaL1A2i6hKzgkW2sKL75+0ik0= ; Message-ID: <20060418115017.6372.qmail@web54114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.91.166.210] by web54114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 04:50:17 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 04:50:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Shteryana Shopova To: DS@praxisvermittlung24.de In-Reply-To: <4443F887.408@praxisvermittlung24.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, roam@freebsd.org, Nikolay Denev Subject: Re: BSD booth X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:50:29 -0000 --- Daniel Seuffert wrote: > Dru schrieb: > > > > I met Nikolay at the BSD booth at Linuxworld > Boston and he is interested > > in putting together a BSD booth at OpenFest in > Sofia, Bulgaria later > > this year. Do we have any contacts in that part of > the world who can > > make sure that there is some FreeBSD swag at the > booth? Please cc > > Nikolay in any responses in case he is not > subscribed to this list. > > > > Dru > > > Hi Dru and Nikolay :-) > > The only FreeBSD I know personally in Bulgaria are > Shteryana Shopova > and Peter Pentchev; I cc'ed both of them. > > Last time I saw Shteryana at FOSDEM, Brussels, in > February I gave > her a bunch of FreeBSD-CDs to distribute them in > Bulgaria. > > I would be glad if someone helps Nikolay organizing > a booth. The idea of having FreeBSD booth at OpenFest in Sofia is great - I'll be glad to help and we'll find some other people to help too. > I can send him CDs/DVDs, posters and ohter stuff if > he likes. > > It would also be if someone in Bulgaria could > translate the > stuff at http://www.allbsd.de/src/Flyer/FreeBSD/PDF/ > (Please > note that we currently work hard to improve those > flyers and add > 10 more, work is progressing fast). I can start working on translating the stuff in Bulgarian - as far as I know OpenFest will take place sometime mid October - plenty of time to prepare Bulgarian flyers until then. I'll probably need some instructions on file format and how to submit translations and ... > Of course I would like to see people translating > those flyers to other > languages... If you are interested feel free to > contact me. > > Daniel > I don't know if Nikolay has mentioned that but there's also a separate BSD-related track of lectures during OpenFest - the so called local BSDCon and we were hoping to trick some FreeBSD people into giving a talk this year. shteryana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 18 12:59:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62F916A402; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:59:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DS@praxisvermittlung24.de) Received: from mail.sw-sec.de (mail.sw-sec.de [212.204.60.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197E443D67; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:59:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from DS@praxisvermittlung24.de) Received: from [192.168.115.21] (62-167-21-24.adslpremium.ch [62.167.21.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sw-sec.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3ICxLak064341; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:59:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from DS@praxisvermittlung24.de) Message-ID: <4444E2BB.60807@praxisvermittlung24.de> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:59:39 +0200 From: Daniel Seuffert Organization: Seuffert & Waidmann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shteryana Shopova References: <20060418115017.6372.qmail@web54114.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060418115017.6372.qmail@web54114.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, roam@freebsd.org, Nikolay Denev Subject: Re: BSD booth X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: DS@praxisvermittlung24.de List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:59:34 -0000 Shteryana Shopova schrieb: > > --- Daniel Seuffert wrote: > > >>Dru schrieb: >> >>>I met Nikolay at the BSD booth at Linuxworld >> >>Boston and he is interested >> >>>in putting together a BSD booth at OpenFest in >> >>Sofia, Bulgaria later >> >>>this year. Do we have any contacts in that part of >> >>the world who can >> >>>make sure that there is some FreeBSD swag at the >> >>booth? Please cc >> >>>Nikolay in any responses in case he is not >> >>subscribed to this list. >> >>>Dru >> >> >>Hi Dru and Nikolay :-) >> >>The only FreeBSD I know personally in Bulgaria are >>Shteryana Shopova >>and Peter Pentchev; I cc'ed both of them. >> >>Last time I saw Shteryana at FOSDEM, Brussels, in >>February I gave >>her a bunch of FreeBSD-CDs to distribute them in >>Bulgaria. >> >>I would be glad if someone helps Nikolay organizing >>a booth. > > The idea of having FreeBSD booth at OpenFest in Sofia > is great - I'll be glad to help and we'll find some > other people to help too. > >>I can send him CDs/DVDs, posters and ohter stuff if >>he likes. >> >>It would also be if someone in Bulgaria could >>translate the >>stuff at http://www.allbsd.de/src/Flyer/FreeBSD/PDF/ >>(Please >>note that we currently work hard to improve those >>flyers and add >>10 more, work is progressing fast). > > I can start working on translating the stuff in > Bulgarian - as far as I know OpenFest will take place > sometime mid October - plenty of time to prepare > Bulgarian flyers until then. I'll probably need some > instructions on file format and how to submit > translations and ... > >>Of course I would like to see people translating >>those flyers to other >>languages... If you are interested feel free to >>contact me. >> >>Daniel >> > > I don't know if Nikolay has mentioned that but there's > also a separate BSD-related track of lectures during > OpenFest - the so called local BSDCon and we were > hoping to trick some FreeBSD people into giving a talk > this year. > > shteryana Hi Shteryana, we use OO 2 and .odt, the English versions are here: http://www.allbsd.de/src/Flyer/FreeBSD/ODT/en/ They are frequently updated, sometimes daily. I created a bg-directory here: http://www.allbsd.de/src/Flyer/FreeBSD/ODT/bg/ If you need a WebDAV account let me know asap. You can also let me have the tranlations in plain mail or via any other way, I will take care of the .odt and .pdf files myself. Best regards, Daniel From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 21 23:47:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E480516A40D for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from register@snowcentral.org) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E9D43D46 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:47:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from register@snowcentral.org) Received: from [129.250.36.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp id 1FX5LH-00065b-Hp for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:47:15 +0000 Received: from fw.oremut02.us.wh.verio.net ([198.65.168.24] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with esmtp id 1FX5LH-0000Yv-9q for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:47:15 +0000 Message-ID: <44496EFF.5090006@snowcentral.org> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:47:11 -0600 From: register User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: concerns about linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:47:25 -0000 Hi there, The hosting company I work has been using FreeBSD for our hosting platform for about ten years. Honestly, we love it. We are currently in the process of migrating to version 6. Recently we have invested some development into the same product, but on linux. My dilemma concerns how this will affect our FreeBSD product. I have the impression that once we have both products side by side our new customers will tend to choose linux, due to name recognition. This is especially true for our Japanese customers. Our existing customers will likely stick with FreeBSD because they are used to it and like it. In the end I expect that our revenue for hosting on linux will grow quickly and on FreeBSD will stagnate. When development costs are considered by management the justification for two products, with their separate development costs, will not hold up well. The result will be a complete migration to the linux product within the next couple years. Frankly I think FreeBSD is much better than linux. Our developers agree emphatically. We feel like our customers would be better served by having FreeBSD. However, the revenue benefits of a move to linux seem to be insurmountable. I am looking for valid justifications of maintaining our FreeBSD development team and FreeBSD product in light of the anticipated changes in revenue streams. These justifications must relate to the business side of things. Any insight into this problem will go a long way to helping us keep FreeBSD in our portfolio, which is what we really want. Thanks -eric From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 21 23:58:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180E116A400 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@iXsystems.com) Received: from knight.iXsystems.com (knight.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7B143D46 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:58:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@iXsystems.com) Received: from [192.168.1.197] (drawbridge.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.65]) by knight.iXsystems.com (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3LNodCm065816; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@iXsystems.com) Message-ID: <4449718B.9090909@iXsystems.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:58:03 -0700 From: Matt Olander User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: register References: <44496EFF.5090006@snowcentral.org> In-Reply-To: <44496EFF.5090006@snowcentral.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: concerns about linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:58:05 -0000 register wrote: > The hosting company I work has been using FreeBSD for our hosting > platform for about ten years. Honestly, we love it. We are currently > in the process of migrating to version 6. Recently we have invested > some development into the same product, but on linux. My dilemma > concerns how this will affect our FreeBSD product. > > I have the impression that once we have both products side by side our > new customers will tend to choose linux, due to name recognition. This > is especially true for our Japanese customers. Our existing customers > will likely stick with FreeBSD because they are used to it and like it. > In the end I expect that our revenue for hosting on linux will grow > quickly and on FreeBSD will stagnate. When development costs are > considered by management the justification for two products, with their > separate development costs, will not hold up well. The result will be a > complete migration to the linux product within the next couple years. > > Frankly I think FreeBSD is much better than linux. Our developers agree > emphatically. We feel like our customers would be better served by > having FreeBSD. However, the revenue benefits of a move to linux seem > to be insurmountable. I am looking for valid justifications of > maintaining our FreeBSD development team and FreeBSD product in light of > the anticipated changes in revenue streams. These justifications must > relate to the business side of things. Any insight into this problem > will go a long way to helping us keep FreeBSD in our portfolio, which is > what we really want. Thanks Hi Eric, We've done business with some Japanese customers and, from my experience, they are usually more open and knowledgeable about FreeBSD than many of our US customers. If this is a hosting platform, it's really up to your company to decide what platform to standardize on or remain with. Is hosting the core "product" that your company is involved in or are there some software offerings that are OS specific? Don't let your customers get caught up in the hype. A hosting company should choose it's platform based on internal resources to manage it, reliablity, stability, etc. In the hosting arena, Yahoo!, Pair Networks, New York Internet, Host Department and many others all run FreeBSD. XO Communications and Rackspace have a huge base of FreeBSD customers as well. They must be doing something right ;-) Cheers, -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 -- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 22 02:11:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691AF16A405 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:11:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avatar4d@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032A143D45 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:11:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from avatar4d@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 9so471402nzo for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:11:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ig+FkTNrGdHyBdZigvwZvNkIuktFV1ZmW8ZlkrQKZS0nd55XM0ZZmlMryRcfUzfcis+lpXxFWaobgz0QMUTrAtmAJwXRl/zeBpEARprh2Wv3YpK4pGfUVdQ86OhN64W+RLGX5fSst47Ri4hW71ia5R0iv7dzzXF+EAHC6p1Jpw0= Received: by 10.64.220.17 with SMTP id s17mr1489487qbg; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.59.7 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <17489c7a0604211911w7cab8f9an5fc9b64515071e8c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:11:24 -0400 From: "Chad Gross" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Macromedia X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:11:26 -0000 I know this has been an exhaustive topic as of late, but it needs to be addressed. Flash should be supported in some fashion on FreeBSD and now we can't even run the Linux plugin (not that it worked without crashing Firefox constantly anyway). Their license is unacceptable and we need to speak up. Maybe we could file a class action suit against the monopoly they are creating here. I only run FreeBSD on my desktop and they are trying to force me to run something else, which I find appalling. So if you feel the same way, do what I did and start contacting them through their website in a polite, but direct request for support: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/support/index.cfm?event=3Demailcs Chad