From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 7 17:56:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA60416A409 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 17:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from metodocad@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay112-f10.bay112.hotmail.com [64.4.26.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B1C43D8C for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 17:56:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metodocad@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 May 2006 10:55:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.26.200 by by112fd.bay112.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 May 2006 17:54:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [201.25.232.102] X-Originating-Email: [metodocad@hotmail.com] X-Sender: metodocad@hotmail.com From: "Metodologia Trabalhos" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 17:54:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2006 17:55:00.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C858050:01C671FF] Subject: Fernando.BULK E-MAIL LISTS.Required. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 17:56:17 -0000 Dear Misters, I am respectfully calling your company from Brasil, South America. Calling your company for strictly humanitarian and cultural purposes( as i wish in a near future to built a cultural organization to ask - around the world - second hand computers....printed books and so on to give by donation to my poor population in my city, and around my Santa Catarina State. Getting some e-mail list (completely authorized and validated) from some companys in Brasil, Mexico, E.U.A., Great Britain, Netherlands, Saudi Arabia...and so on my list have around 250 million worldwide different e-mails.Of course, some of this e-mails your can have as well. What i want? I just want to swap our lists.I can send my list to your postal address (keeping my swordfish until you delivered your lists for me) or sending your company to a specific link to download the files. Of course, have been swaped the lists.....for each swordfish i give for me.....i will give one for you and so on.Until the end. I really, we do not need to be disonest to ourserves. And, as technnical translator, we could make something here in Brasil about this lists. OBS.My lists have some programs....i do not if they are good..because i did not use them yet. So, i do not have anything more to say.Just to ask you: Think a little bit.It is worth for both sides. Yours sincerely, Fernando Tavares.Brasil. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 11 23:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6441F16A5D2 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722B943D5E for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:10:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4BNAFdd074864 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:10:15 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k4BNAF3i074857; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:10:15 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:10:15 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200605112310.k4BNAF3i074857@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, niek dekker Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F6A16A7B5 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B28A43D49 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BN5bFe087400 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:37 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4BN5bA0087399; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:37 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200605112305.k4BN5bA0087399@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:37 GMT From: niek dekker To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: advocacy/97154: freebsd.org doesn't display well in Firefox 1.5.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:10:26 -0000 >Number: 97154 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: freebsd.org doesn't display well in Firefox 1.5.0.3 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 11 23:10:14 GMT 2006 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: niek dekker >Release: 6.0 >Organization: >Environment: N/A >Description: The new freebsd website displays faulty in Firefox current (1.5.0.3). Really a shame for an open source operating system! >How-To-Repeat: Open freebsd.org in a current version of Firefox >Fix: Make website cross-browser compatible >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 00:24:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF1616A47F for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:24:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vanja@simulakrum.org) Received: from mail.simulakrum.org (ac-01-pppoe-205-191.broadband.blic.net [217.23.205.191]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2009043E49 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:53:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vanja@simulakrum.org) Received: from calque.simulakrum.org (unknown [192.168.0.41]) by mail.simulakrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC4E317 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:54:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Vanja In-Reply-To: <200605112305.k4BN5bA0087399@www.freebsd.org> References: <200605112305.k4BN5bA0087399@www.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 02:05:39 +0200 Message-Id: <1147392339.24704.3.camel@calque.simulakrum.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/97154: freebsd.org doesn't display well in Firefox 1.5.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:24:22 -0000 I'm using 1.5.0.3 on 6.1-release, and everything seems to be fine at www.freebsd.org... Could You be more specific about "displays faulty"? On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 23:05 +0000, niek dekker wrote: > >Number: 97154 > >Category: advocacy > >Synopsis: freebsd.org doesn't display well in Firefox 1.5.0.3 > >Confidential: no > >Severity: non-critical > >Priority: low > >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy > >State: open > >Quarter: > >Keywords: > >Date-Required: > >Class: sw-bug > >Submitter-Id: current-users > >Arrival-Date: Thu May 11 23:10:14 GMT 2006 > >Closed-Date: > >Last-Modified: > >Originator: niek dekker > >Release: 6.0 > >Organization: > >Environment: > N/A > >Description: > The new freebsd website displays faulty in Firefox current (1.5.0.3). Really a shame for an open source operating system! > > > >How-To-Repeat: > Open freebsd.org in a current version of Firefox > >Fix: > Make website cross-browser compatible > >Release-Note: > >Audit-Trail: > >Unformatted: > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 01:51:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B5816A402 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A13E43D73 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:51:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981BC175B4; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4463EA1A.6000904@bitfreak.org> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:51:22 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vanja References: <200605112305.k4BN5bA0087399@www.freebsd.org> <1147392339.24704.3.camel@calque.simulakrum.org> In-Reply-To: <1147392339.24704.3.camel@calque.simulakrum.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/97154: freebsd.org doesn't display well in Firefox 1.5.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:51:34 -0000 Vanja wrote: > I'm using 1.5.0.3 on 6.1-release, and everything seems to be fine at > www.freebsd.org... Could You be more specific about "displays faulty"? I don't know about the OP, but for me, running Firefox 1.5.0.3 and Internet Explorer 6.0, there are multiple elements which don't size correctly. Navbars wrap and column items extend past the edge of the grey area. The short answer is the layout uses px sizing to hard-code layout dimensions rather than allow the browser to resize the layout to meet the requirements of the user. This and other design and usability problems were brought to the attention of those involved in the new layout's development back when the new design was first launched. A professional web designer for whom I installed her development and productions servers, included an offer to polish the layout to meet design and accessibility best practices. She said it was the least she could do for FreeBSD making it possible to start her business "without giving Microsoft one damn penny." The response? Silence. I say just close the PR. No one cared then; why should they care now? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 10:39:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB5516A411 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:39:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7930343D48 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:39:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from circe (circe.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.36]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IZ500GEHEXURI@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:30 +0200 (MEST) Received: from talos.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.22]) by circe (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:29 +0200 (MEST) Received: from bigboss.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (bigspace.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.2]) by smarthost.rwth-aachen.de (8.13.1/8.13.1/1) with ESMTP id k4CAdT6Q010584; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:29 +0200 Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de ([137.226.181.92]) by bigboss.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1FeV3R-0008An-LO; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:29 +0200 Received: by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5B8933F40A; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:29 +0200 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: <1147392339.24704.3.camel@calque.simulakrum.org> To: Vanja Message-id: <20060512103929.GA2293@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-PGP-Key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: <200605112305.k4BN5bA0087399@www.freebsd.org> <1147392339.24704.3.camel@calque.simulakrum.org> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/97154: freebsd.org doesn't display well in Firefox 1.5.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:39:33 -0000 --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 02:05:39AM +0200, Vanja wrote: > I'm using 1.5.0.3 on 6.1-release, and everything seems to be fine at > www.freebsd.org... Could You be more specific about "displays faulty"? >=20 Firefox 1.5.0.3 on Windows here. Selecting the large font breaks the layout pretty badly here. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEZGXhbHYXjKDtmC0RAnaZAJ9d+qIWMITJ3Du3fKSne+fwCQ0ZTQCdHaGK uyd4+DSkp0uwaMiq/+Qxx8I= =t52/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 10:40:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7779016A40B; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brueffer@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EF543D46; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:40:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brueffer@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (brueffer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4CAekTB025581; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:40:46 GMT (envelope-from brueffer@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from brueffer@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k4CAekQA025577; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:40:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from brueffer) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:40:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Brueffer Message-Id: <200605121040.k4CAekQA025577@freefall.freebsd.org> To: brueffer@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/97154: freebsd.org doesn't display well in Firefox 1.5.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:40:47 -0000 Synopsis: freebsd.org doesn't display well in Firefox 1.5.0.3 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->freebsd-www Responsible-Changed-By: brueffer Responsible-Changed-When: Fri May 12 12:40:20 CEST 2006 Responsible-Changed-Why: This is a www issue. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=97154 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 13:06:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F83416A402 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF3943D45 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:06:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A5F02.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.95.2]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4CD65uV046178 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:06:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4CD64Dr092377 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:06:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4CD7Yf3021638 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:07:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:07:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Julian Stacey Jhs Message-Id: <200605121307.k4CD7Yf3021638@fire.jhs.private> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advocacy/97154: freebsd.org doesn't display well in Firefox 1.5.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:06:09 -0000 Darren Pilgrim wrote: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:07:34 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" > the new design was first launched. A professional web designer for whom > I installed her development and productions servers, included an offer > to polish the layout to meet design and accessibility best practices. > She said it was the least she could do for FreeBSD making it possible to > start her business "without giving Microsoft one damn penny." The > response? Silence. Kind offer. Sad it didn't happen. > I say just close the PR. No one cared then; why should they care now? Judge the FreeBSD web team by yearly results: Last year's `Summer Of Code' paid a student to work on http://www.freebsd.org , supervised by a FreeBSD web team member; Result: forcibly small font assertion, (view on 1600 x 1200 + Mozilla), boring layout, inaccessible, reduced search functionality compared with previously, & colours largely abandoned etc. ( I also reported things via webmaster@, team, & or send-pr). Old version is here: http://www.freebsd.org/old/ I lost trust last year, & indirect all my pages via http://berklix.org/freebsd.org/ Whichever webmaster(s) imposed the mess for last 8+ months should be sacked. There's little chance other existing & new junior web team recruits will fix/ reverse their mess 'till those responsible for pushing it through are gone. Normally a team would recruit its own [junior] successors, but accepting recruitment as unpaid [junior] succesor/ colleague to those who won't acknowledge or fix their mess ? No. Many web authors (not just BSD, paid or unpaid) play with pages to show off HTML skills also for resumes. It detracts from pages that should be designed for Readers, not as HTML toys for Writers. -- Julian Stacey. Consultant Unix Net & Sys. Eng., Munich. http://berklix.com