From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 20 03:22:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A961E16A4DF for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from landemaine@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BCD43D7C for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:22:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from landemaine@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1334024uge for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:22:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZSHxJEt5Y2I50wbaN5CO5fPu84VxFCbgxncH2ImIL6wLGTkUiIxS46X3l4iFBt4rA24NIKiEZxw6I9L7K9SuYfevcMN9rEqJBWyDU0E87ON7ZhMOyJnCGOYD9DIQrhnDLK6RTh88EZAlHiJCiJhGIvMzqmWZYdFyRYAYYOLxQQg= Received: by 10.67.103.7 with SMTP id f7mr2704555ugm; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.117.15 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:22:40 -0300 From: "Charles A. Landemaine" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:22:49 -0000 Please add a comment in this blog thread to ask for Adobe Flash developper to support FreeBSD and not just Linux :) http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/08/across_the_distros_1.html I think he is the only developper working on a Flash Plugin for Unix. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 20 03:24:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8A316A4E2 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:24:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from landemaine@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE12C43D49 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:24:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from landemaine@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1334299uge for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:24:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=STpo/QpO9hM6lYSLSoDIfpoUFdk0Ra4ndFhik79j3WEReSOXW2hyp7KaCjeyssdRIoLvSCmfQHIMDoLO1qOmKBHfWCpF+JfbpvFtJ7KkJgeGY9ESGe44DUS7NfygbUEr9D9mvqXmqnhbayYhGD/2DsEDRFYETgWQzXBTJ6D1+hk= Received: by 10.66.220.17 with SMTP id s17mr2715915ugg; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.117.15 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:24:49 -0300 From: "Charles A. Landemaine" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: If you believe the Internet should be free for all X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:24:51 -0000 If you believe the Internet should be free for all please sign this petition for native support of flashplayer on BSD. PC-BSD which is the operating system I use the most is a very easy to use system that is free in price and open source. It's goal is to make FreeBSD which is used by Yahoo and many ISP's user friendly for regular people to use on their desktops. The only issue new users struggle with is viewing flash supported web sites as while the OS provides a simple Graphical way of installing software. To use "flash" you need to install Linux software just to get limited support. If you have ever viewed a website you have likely been served by a Linux or BSD server. Please sign here and pass it on. http://www.PetitionOnline.com/flash4me/ Early BSD helped bring the Internet into the world. It's only fair that people who use the modern versions of this operating system to surf the web from their desktop not just serve it out to others. You can keep your E-Mail private and everyones by using "Bcc" instead of "To" to forward this message. Thank You PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERY CORNER OF THE INTERNET From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 20 09:02:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C62416A4DD for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomany@toomany.net) Received: from isengard.vlex.com (isengard.vlex.com [87.236.247.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E2D43D45 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:02:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toomany@toomany.net) Received: (qmail 3131 invoked by uid 89); 20 Aug 2006 09:04:04 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 3126, pid: 3128, t: 0.0836s scanners: attach: 1.2.0 clamav: 0.88.2/m:38/d:1479 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.25?) (toomany@toomany.net@80.224.35.102) by isengard.vlex.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 09:04:04 -0000 Message-ID: <44E8251A.70108@toomany.net> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:02:18 +0200 From: TooManySecrets Organization: TooManySecrets HeadQuarters User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060804) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles A. Landemaine" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:02:14 -0000 Charles A. Landemaine wrote: > Please add a comment in this blog thread to ask for Adobe Flash > developper to support FreeBSD and not just Linux :) > > http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/08/across_the_distros_1.html > > I think he is the only developper working on a Flash Plugin for Unix. Well, I do not know if you will like or no, but you can read my entrance with my nick; TooManySecrets, requesting support for the binary ones of Flash in FreeBSD. -- \|/ ____ \|/ Have a nice day ;-) "@'/ ,. \'@" TooManySecrets /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ ============================ Nine megs for the secretaries fair, Seven megs for the hackers scarce, Five megs for the grads in smoky lairs, Three megs for system source; One disk to rule them all, One disk to bind them, One disk to hold the files And in the darkness grind 'em. ============================ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 20 18:01:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDC116A4DE for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from witt@cylogistics.com) Received: from outbound.sentinare.net (outbound.sentinare.net [69.36.229.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7CD43D6D for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:01:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from witt@cylogistics.com) Received: from outbound.sentinare.net ([10.7.5.200]) by localhost (molasses.prod.scl.sentinare.net [10.7.5.102]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07416-01; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MALARD (c-69-181-201-237.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [69.181.201.237]) by mail.sentinare.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C422395F; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:01:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Don Witt" To: "'Charles A. Landemaine'" , Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:01:18 -0700 Organization: cyLogistics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbECApnfBacSy0jTFCzlYeEEbiZKwAelLXg In-reply-to: Message-Id: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sentinare.net Cc: Subject: RE: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: witt@cylogistics.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:01:12 -0000 The next release of Adobe flash developer will have a revised license which will include FreeBSD. This was per the product manager. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > Charles A. Landemaine > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 8:23 PM > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! > > Please add a comment in this blog thread to ask for Adobe > Flash developper to support FreeBSD and not just Linux :) > > http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/08/across_the_distros_1.html > > I think he is the only developper working on a Flash Plugin for Unix. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 20 18:19:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7FE16A4E5 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:19:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matt@iXsystems.com) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43C0543D46 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:19:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Matt@iXsystems.com) Received: (qmail 51348 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 18:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mattoo@pacbell.net@70.231.148.52 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 18:19:10 -0000 Message-ID: <44E8A79B.6050702@iXsystems.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:19:07 -0700 From: Matt Olander Organization: iXsystems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: porting the RealPlayer] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:19:11 -0000 Hi all, I met with a developer of the Real Player at Linux World. She says they would *love* to port a native version of the Real player to FreeBSD. Yay! She even showed me that they have an older FreeBSD dev environment set up and are ready to start to try compiling it for release after we get it up to date. We need a couple of FreeBSD experts to assist with questions/expertise/feedback to make sure this gets finished ;-) Please send me your name/email off list and I'll reply to her with a shortlist of who can help them. Thanks! -matt -------- Original Message -------- Hey Matt - It was great to meet you at Linux World. FreeBSD is near to my heart, although I'm not totally knowledgeable on it, sadly. I'm a FreeBSD fan to the point of wanting to do the RealPlayer port to FreeBSD myself when I first started this job.. but.. they piled me down with meetings and spec-writing before I even got a chance to see it compile once. Which is why I'm so excited that you were so receptive to getting the RealPlayer on FreeBSD. I've been talking to the guy who runs our build environments and he's checking to see if anyone else is using the FreeBSD 5.0 box. If not, we'll upgrade it asap. Do you have any recommendations on hardware for a FreeBSD 6.1 build machine? Also, we're currently only running nightly builds for the stable branch on FreeBSD. Do you think we should be running the current branch as well? That's where all the new functionality is going - like playlists and Windows Media (ahem.. if you have a license for it). Depending on how long porting work takes, FreeBSD may want to just skip the currently released player and go for all the new technology. Thanks so much for your offer of help and any thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated. -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 -- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 20 18:47:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0827A16A4DF; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (it.buh.tecnik93.com [81.196.204.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921AB43D45; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:47:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F34118191; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:47:22 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:47:15 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Matt Olander Message-ID: <20060820214715.0897b9de@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <44E8A79B.6050702@iXsystems.com> References: <44E8A79B.6050702@iXsystems.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Leidinger , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Alexander Subject: Re: [Fwd: porting the RealPlayer] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:47:24 -0000 On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:19:07 -0700 Matt Olander wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > I met with a developer of the Real Player at Linux World. She says > they would *love* to port a native version of the Real player to > FreeBSD. Yay! She even showed me that they have an older FreeBSD dev > environment set up and are ready to start to try compiling it for > release after we get it up to date. Yay ! Good work :) > We need a couple of FreeBSD experts to assist with=20 > questions/expertise/feedback to make sure this gets finished ;-) > Please send me your name/email off list and I'll reply to her with a=20 > shortlist of who can help them. Since it's great to volunteer others ;-) maybe netchild@ (cc'ed) has time for this ? > -------- Original Message -------- [ ... ] > Also, we're currently only running nightly builds for the stable > branch on FreeBSD. Do you think we should be running the current > branch as well? That's where all the new functionality is going - > like playlists and Windows Media (ahem.. if you have a license for > it). Depending on how long porting work takes, FreeBSD may want to > just skip the currently released player and go for all the new > technology. =46rom our point of view it would be no problem to have both in the Ports Tree (The second as -devel). --=20 IOnut - Un^d^dregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" "Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect" I thought my people would grow tired of killing. But you were right, they see it is easier than trading. And it has its pleasures. I feel it myself. Like the hunt, but with richer rewards. -- Apella, "A Private Little War", stardate 4211.8 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 20 19:25:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D37316A4DD for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:25:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from landemaine@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626EC43D6D for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:25:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from landemaine@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1475236uge for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:25:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MCz2/Xqm4c4cS0pNiQL8vbRO+FtvyQ9h02Vyzj9niPTRn5rZoPHiBDDD7Vu6FBeGze6C2UlDxbKz28ufYwr7XPOsImz+G0AP/ymhKJCr+BgNDGSOnO9kpRV3emJ0oil6WH6N4eMln8bgqqmL6uG1UQ533NEjtJPippR+ozDOMwo= Received: by 10.67.119.13 with SMTP id w13mr3131156ugm; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.117.15 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:25:21 -0300 From: "Charles A. Landemaine" To: witt@cylogistics.com In-Reply-To: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:25:25 -0000 On 8/20/06, Don Witt wrote: > The next release of Adobe flash developer will have a revised license which > will include FreeBSD. This was per the product manager. License is not the most important. What is important for the end user is having a native version of his own operating system :) -- Charles A. Landemaine. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 20 20:46:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7CC16A4DA for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@mkproductions.org) Received: from flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CBD43D49 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:46:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark@mkproductions.org) X-ORBL: [75.28.54.53] Received: from localhost (adsl-75-28-54-53.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net [75.28.54.53]) by flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7KKkQRi014146; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:46:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:46:24 -0500 From: Mark Kane To: "Charles A. Landemaine" Message-ID: <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0cvs57 (GTK+ 2.8.20; x86_64-unknown-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:46:26 -0000 On Sun, Aug 20, 2006, at 16:25:21 -0300, Charles A. Landemaine wrote: > On 8/20/06, Don Witt wrote: > > The next release of Adobe flash developer will have a revised > > license which will include FreeBSD. This was per the product > > manager. > > License is not the most important. What is important for the end user > is having a native version of his own operating system :) I read this last month: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review.html The using ALSA for sound in version 9 doesn't sound very good for getting it to work on FreeBSD even if/when the license allows it. I don't understand why it's so hard for them to make it compatible with more OSes. They are in the business of selling software to create content in their proprietary Flash format, but if that can't be viewed on every common OS, then I think/know developers will not develop exclusively in Flash as much. Granted up to date Flash support is available for Windows and the majority of computer users, but I do know some developers who want their websites to be viewable for everyone, and therefore have chosen not to develop in Flash. On the other hand, lots of big sites use all Flash for their designs (and some 8+ so we can't view them at all), so maybe the designers who do care about full compatibility and wouldn't buy their products or develop in Flash don't matter as much since Adobe already has tons of business and doesn't have much financial incentive to make it more compatible. However, Adobe is already doing major work on Flash 9 for Linux, so I don't understand why at the same time they couldn't put a little effort into making it compatible with the most operating systems possible so the most people can view the content created with their tools. If they want Flash to be a web standard, then they should care about supporting every common OS...and from reading the blog posts/comments and never receiving a helpful response from them about it, unfortunately they don't seem to want to invest the time to do it right from the beginning of a major rewrite like this. The petition has increased by over 1,000 signatures since I signed it which is good. I hope people continue to sign it and contact Adobe about Flash for FreeBSD. :) -Mark -- Internet Radio: Party107 (Trance/Electronic) - http://www.party107.com Rock 101.9 The Edge (Rock) - http://www.rock1019.net IRC: MIXXnet IRC Network - irc.mixxnet.net (Nick: MIXX941) GnuPG Public Key: http://www.mkproductions.org/mk_pubkey.asc From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 20 22:28:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17F116A4E0 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C62143D46 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:28:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1340939wxd for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ExECoEEjkdOO2/KAB5zwPjbsOxoHwJv3vC+po871GzVasmP7vMUYFLsWPfBeXg7g7aSR+HbDoWQUE+jDjLdrNt5yw0noDXxpDw6ZXWlb61iZLKfwg+tQnLKRlJKtMI6RDbImMTjVBmyJMQxF0qIom6F/uhdWDYf8rFZMf5ju21I= Received: by 10.70.68.9 with SMTP id q9mr8566188wxa; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.3 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:28:02 -0700 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Mark Kane" In-Reply-To: <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Charles A. Landemaine" Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:28:04 -0000 On 8/20/06, Mark Kane wrote: > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006, at 16:25:21 -0300, Charles A. Landemaine wrote: > > On 8/20/06, Don Witt wrote: > > > The next release of Adobe flash developer will have a revised > > > license which will include FreeBSD. This was per the product > > > manager. > > > > License is not the most important. What is important for the end user > > is having a native version of his own operating system :) > > I read this last month: > > http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review.html > > The using ALSA for sound in version 9 doesn't sound very good for > getting it to work on FreeBSD even if/when the license allows it. I > don't understand why it's so hard for them to make it compatible with > more OSes. They are in the business of selling software to create > content in their proprietary Flash format, but if that can't be viewed > on every common OS, then I think/know developers will not develop > exclusively in Flash as much. Granted up to date Flash support is > available for Windows and the majority of computer users, but I do know > some developers who want their websites to be viewable for everyone, and > therefore have chosen not to develop in Flash. On the other hand, lots > of big sites use all Flash for their designs (and some 8+ so we can't > view them at all), so maybe the designers who do care about full > compatibility and wouldn't buy their products or develop in Flash don't > matter as much since Adobe already has tons of business and doesn't > have much financial incentive to make it more compatible. > > However, Adobe is already doing major work on Flash 9 for Linux, so I > don't understand why at the same time they couldn't put a little effort > into making it compatible with the most operating systems possible so > the most people can view the content created with their tools. If they > want Flash to be a web standard, then they should care about supporting > every common OS...and from reading the blog posts/comments and never > receiving a helpful response from them about it, unfortunately they > don't seem to want to invest the time to do it right from the beginning > of a major rewrite like this. > > The petition has increased by over 1,000 signatures since I signed it > which is good. I hope people continue to sign it and contact Adobe > about Flash for FreeBSD. :) > What petition, my petition here?: http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html Anyways.. I posted a comment on that blog, I think I wrote "I speak on behalf of 2276+ people... We want a native Flash player for FreeBSD!" with a link to the petition at the bottom... It doesn't show up on the site yet though. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 20 21:00:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC2C16A4DA for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cheeseness@yahoo.com) Received: from web52604.mail.yahoo.com (web52604.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D317C43D55 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:00:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cheeseness@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95766 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 21:00:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gb0PaEHEgXj5HmtsY9vMSe2MED/2Pft37e45TxCZR+wxHwH21foIKa4zfspkOfY2zHyWUgf0i8HRnpE9lPv6chYNaDxVQy/QryjA79Pw21n3Z3xeEpk5ywmC+9mUisU9A+cj1mW88YMYzNE2LCKTc+PU4A0fy/fsfB3cTTLR0rg= ; Message-ID: <20060820210056.95764.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.10.227.64] by web52604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:00:56 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Josh \(Cheese\) Bush" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:02:50 +0000 Subject: Software Freedom Day Request X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:00:57 -0000 G'day My name is Josh, and I'm part of a team organising a Software Freedom Day event in Tasmania, Australia. Currently I am working on a leaflet and set of posters that we can hand out to promote Free/Open Source Software (F/OSS) as well as the event itself. We feel FreeBSD project is a good example of an identifiable open source operating system that has a place within home and business environments alike, and would like permission to use your project's logo in our promotional material. If this is possible, we would also like to obtain a scalable or high resolution copy of your project's logo to ensure as high a quality reproduction as possible when printing. An example the design we are using is viewable online at http://cheeseness.no-ip.org/sfd/example.png I look forward to hearing your response. Sincerely, Josh Bush Fearless Leader Valiant Systems __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 21 05:45:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE1116A4DF for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:45:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A1743D4C for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:44:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from circe (circe.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.36]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J4C00LSH2MXWF@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:44:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: from talos.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.22]) by circe (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:44:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: from bigboss.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (bigspace.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.2]) by smarthost.rwth-aachen.de (8.13.7/8.13.1/1) with ESMTP id k7L5iuNI025105; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:44:57 +0200 Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de ([137.226.181.92]) by bigboss.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1GF2an-0000Zf-Bw; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:44:57 +0200 Received: by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0DA993F40B; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:44:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:44:56 +0200 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: <20060820210056.95764.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com> To: "Josh (Cheese) Bush" Message-id: <20060821054456.GA1669@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-PGP-Key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: <20060820210056.95764.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Software Freedom Day Request X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:45:00 -0000 --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 02:00:56PM -0700, Josh (Cheese) Bush wrote: > G'day >=20 > My name is Josh, and I'm part of a team organising a > Software Freedom Day event in Tasmania, Australia. > Currently I am working on a leaflet and set of posters > that we can hand out to promote Free/Open Source > Software (F/OSS) as well as the event itself. >=20 > We feel FreeBSD project is a good example of an > identifiable open source operating system that has a > place within home and business environments alike, and > would like permission to use your project's logo in > our promotional material. If this is possible, we > would also like to obtain a scalable or high > resolution copy of your project's logo to ensure as > high a quality reproduction as possible when printing. >=20 > An example the design we are using is viewable online > at http://cheeseness.no-ip.org/sfd/example.png >=20 > I look forward to hearing your response. >=20 Hi Josh, http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html and http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/documents/Guidelines.shtml provide the information you are looking for. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFE6UhYbHYXjKDtmC0RAhDYAKD6EHqBwoAkHMe828i2BYjV1ATLNQCfap7z t5sPsJ2djOQW+hT6sxG6np0= =z/Vz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 21 06:06:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA4016A4DD; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:06:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from www.ebusiness-leidinger.de (jojo.ms-net.de [84.16.236.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE8443D45; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:06:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (p54A5E1AD.dip.t-dialin.net [84.165.225.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by www.ebusiness-leidinger.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7L5nHNC012424; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:49:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k7L66ibf022299; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:06:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from psbru.cec.eu.int (psbru.cec.eu.int [158.169.131.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:06:44 +0200 Message-ID: <20060821080644.jpqrqeca30oc4ss8@netchild.homeip.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:06:44 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu References: <44E8A79B.6050702@iXsystems.com> <20060820214715.0897b9de@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <20060820214715.0897b9de@it.buh.tecnik93.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) / FreeBSD-4.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Matt Olander , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: porting the RealPlayer] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:06:43 -0000 Quoting Ion-Mihai Tetcu (from Sun, 20 Aug =20 2006 21:47:15 +0300): > On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:19:07 -0700 > Matt Olander wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I met with a developer of the Real Player at Linux World. She says >> they would *love* to port a native version of the Real player to >> FreeBSD. Yay! She even showed me that they have an older FreeBSD dev >> environment set up and are ready to start to try compiling it for >> release after we get it up to date. > > Yay ! Good work :) Now we just need to convince Adobe too... >> We need a couple of FreeBSD experts to assist with >> questions/expertise/feedback to make sure this gets finished ;-) >> Please send me your name/email off list and I'll reply to her with a >> shortlist of who can help them. > > Since it's great to volunteer others ;-) maybe netchild@ (cc'ed) has > time for this ? I don't mind helping out, if time permits. But I'm curious, why did =20 you suggest me? >> -------- Original Message -------- > > [ ... ] > >> Also, we're currently only running nightly builds for the stable >> branch on FreeBSD. Do you think we should be running the current >> branch as well? That's where all the new functionality is going - >> like playlists and Windows Media (ahem.. if you have a license for >> it). Depending on how long porting work takes, FreeBSD may want to >> just skip the currently released player and go for all the new >> technology. > > From our point of view it would be no problem to have both in the Ports > Tree (The second as -devel). This assumes they are willing to offer beta versions for public =20 testing instead of only building it "for personal pleasure". On a somewhat related topic, which FreeBSD build platforms are =20 targeted? 4.x, 5.x, 6.x, -current, i386, amd64, sparc64, ...? Regarding the architecture this is more out of curiosity on my side, =20 but for the FreeBSD versions I'm asking because we have a SoC student =20 working on implementing parts of the new Open Sound System (OSS) API =20 which may provide some benefits to realplayer. This code will first =20 arrive in -current (the SoC is coming to an end, so I will commit this =20 maybe next month... depending upon reviews and tests), but I could try =20 to come up with a patch for 6.x as well. A list of new IOCTLs is at =20 http://wiki.freebsd.org/RyanBeasley/ioctlref. With a patch for 6.x =20 they could check at runtime if the IOCTLs are supported and use the =20 new features if desired (=3D developing software for the features of =20 tomorrow... ;-) ). I also want to MFC some stuff in the sound system =20 (bug fixes and new drivers), so depending on their needs I should do =20 that "soon" or at least provide patches to them. Bye, Alexander. --=20 Mulder: Modell psyched the guy out. He put the whammy on him. Scully: Please explain to me the scientific nature of the =09'whammy'. =09"The X-Files: Pusher" http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 21 11:54:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D0716A4DD for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDD843D86 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:54:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1538560wxd for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:54:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cGRu9ga8MG+omPDe43C9qp3OtQHJZXbw6aIkm5SNR0A3IGjk6sP9hnnnpIEQ/L0eotf+Ew83Mf/TeDwZ3PS4/PRU/rA3tZJnIRaLowR6h32Ys6yLJOfujhdrT/rFxjFA9MpDXMTTWZ09MU4ZsCwrxuEnGLlYe4qtizy2p2+7Wa0= Received: by 10.70.32.13 with SMTP id f13mr9444320wxf; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.3 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:54:14 -0700 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Christian Brueffer" In-Reply-To: <20060821054456.GA1669@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060820210056.95764.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com> <20060821054456.GA1669@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Josh \(Cheese\) Bush" Subject: Re: Software Freedom Day Request X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:54:29 -0000 On 8/20/06, Christian Brueffer wrote: > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 02:00:56PM -0700, Josh (Cheese) Bush wrote: > > G'day > > > > My name is Josh, and I'm part of a team organising a > > Software Freedom Day event in Tasmania, Australia. > > Currently I am working on a leaflet and set of posters > > that we can hand out to promote Free/Open Source > > Software (F/OSS) as well as the event itself. > > > > We feel FreeBSD project is a good example of an > > identifiable open source operating system that has a > > place within home and business environments alike, and > > would like permission to use your project's logo in > > our promotional material. If this is possible, we > > would also like to obtain a scalable or high > > resolution copy of your project's logo to ensure as > > high a quality reproduction as possible when printing. > > > > An example the design we are using is viewable online > > at http://cheeseness.no-ip.org/sfd/example.png > > > > I look forward to hearing your response. > > > > Hi Josh, > > http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html > The logos on this page look like shit! Someone scaled them incorrectly. Where are the originals so I can fix them? -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 21 12:17:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8998516A4E0 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFF443D49 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:17:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from circe (circe.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.36]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J4C00BTSKSE3K@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:17:03 +0200 (MEST) Received: from talos.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.22]) by circe (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:17:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: from bigboss.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (bigspace.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.2]) by smarthost.rwth-aachen.de (8.13.7/8.13.1/1) with ESMTP id k7LCH1Ad014043; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:17:01 +0200 Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de ([137.226.181.92]) by bigboss.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1GF8iD-0002i4-Vs; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:17:01 +0200 Received: by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B5BDE3F413; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:17:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:17:01 +0200 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: To: Nikolas Britton Message-id: <20060821121701.GE1669@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=Rgf3q3z9SdmXC6oT; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE X-PGP-Key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: <20060820210056.95764.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com> <20060821054456.GA1669@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Josh \(Cheese\) Bush" Subject: Re: Software Freedom Day Request X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:17:05 -0000 --Rgf3q3z9SdmXC6oT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 04:54:14AM -0700, Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 8/20/06, Christian Brueffer wrote: > >On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 02:00:56PM -0700, Josh (Cheese) Bush wrote: > >> G'day > >> > >> My name is Josh, and I'm part of a team organising a > >> Software Freedom Day event in Tasmania, Australia. > >> Currently I am working on a leaflet and set of posters > >> that we can hand out to promote Free/Open Source > >> Software (F/OSS) as well as the event itself. > >> > >> We feel FreeBSD project is a good example of an > >> identifiable open source operating system that has a > >> place within home and business environments alike, and > >> would like permission to use your project's logo in > >> our promotional material. If this is possible, we > >> would also like to obtain a scalable or high > >> resolution copy of your project's logo to ensure as > >> high a quality reproduction as possible when printing. > >> > >> An example the design we are using is viewable online > >> at http://cheeseness.no-ip.org/sfd/example.png > >> > >> I look forward to hearing your response. > >> > > > >Hi Josh, > > > >http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html > > >=20 > The logos on this page look like shit! Someone scaled them > incorrectly. Where are the originals so I can fix them? >=20 Well, the vector versions are available on that page. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --Rgf3q3z9SdmXC6oT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFE6aQ9bHYXjKDtmC0RApuFAKDELhpoGGTsDebO+hSzPCPcZaCovQCdFpLV Ynh25THnY09y1SvZkL1NKwM= =Ryfp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Rgf3q3z9SdmXC6oT-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 00:03:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753A316A4DA for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C875043D4C for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:03:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1729991wxd for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:03:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=G22lI/vJd3I5Bjwn0YthbDbZ2iWgzgWxI1267IZo0BMqfsD8DZMGSPv/awosdGKy2Pr+1rSK6l+ZHbg1ss6R7Z66h39e39Qaalaa5teBh0ej5ft+e58AEnoHlq6uhqJ+uzs2SIWafZwWYuu1Lx/GTS4Q7e8IzSk+XLBJw9xEd9E= Received: by 10.70.69.11 with SMTP id r11mr10532858wxa; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.3 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:03:39 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Christian Brueffer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Josh \(Cheese\) Bush" Subject: FreeBSD Logo (was Re: Software Freedom Day Request) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:03:41 -0000 On 8/21/06, Christian Brueffer wrote: > On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 04:54:14AM -0700, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > On 8/20/06, Christian Brueffer wrote: [snipped] > > > > > >http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html > > > > > > > The logos on this page look like shit! Someone scaled them > > incorrectly. Where are the originals so I can fix them? > > Open this image http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-full.png in Opera 9 on FreeBSD and you will see the problem. The image looks great in Opera 9 on OS X and Windows BTW. > Well, the vector versions are available on that page. > Safari 2.0.4 won't render it: error on line 16 at column 36: Entity 'ns_extend' not defined error on line 17 at column 16: Entity 'ns_svg' not defined error on line 20 at column 89: Entity 'ns_sfw' not defined error on line 32 at column 358: Entity 'ns_ai' not defined Firefox 1.5.0.6 (OS X and Windows) will render it but does so incorrectly: http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png Opera 9/9.0.1 (OS X, Windows, and FreeBSD) will render it but does so incorrectly: http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 04:06:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B9916A4DA for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:06:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cmitchd@bellsouth.net) Received: from mail.mdickinson.org (mdickinson.org [64.74.153.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C0F43D4C for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:06:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cmitchd@bellsouth.net) Received: from adsl-065-013-024-060.sip.asm.bellsouth.net ([65.13.24.60] helo=hydrogen.mdickinson.org) by mail.mdickinson.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFNWy-0003eL-2Y for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:06:24 -0400 Received: by hydrogen.mdickinson.org with local (Exim 4.63) id 1GFNWx-0002Zp-DN for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:06:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:06:23 -0400 From: Mitch To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060822040623.GB44700@hydrogen.mdickinson.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Sender: Mitch Subject: Re: FreeBSD Logo (was Re: Software Freedom Day Request) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:06:28 -0000 On 08/21/06 19:03 PM, Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 8/21/06, Christian Brueffer wrote: > >On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 04:54:14AM -0700, Nikolas Britton wrote: > >> On 8/20/06, Christian Brueffer wrote: > > [snipped] > > >> > > >> >http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html > >> > > >> > >> The logos on this page look like shit! Someone scaled them > >> incorrectly. Where are the originals so I can fix them? > >> > > Open this image http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-full.png in Opera 9 > on FreeBSD and you will see the problem. The image looks great in > Opera 9 on OS X and Windows BTW. > > >Well, the vector versions are available on that page. > > > > Safari 2.0.4 won't render it: > error on line 16 at column 36: Entity 'ns_extend' not defined > error on line 17 at column 16: Entity 'ns_svg' not defined > error on line 20 at column 89: Entity 'ns_sfw' not defined > error on line 32 at column 358: Entity 'ns_ai' not defined > > Firefox 1.5.0.6 (OS X and Windows) will render it but does so incorrectly: > http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png > > Opera 9/9.0.1 (OS X, Windows, and FreeBSD) will render it but does so > incorrectly: > http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on freebsd, ie6 on windows). From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 05:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974A116A4E1 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mv@thebeastie.org) Received: from p4.roq.com (ns1.ecoms.com [207.44.130.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE1143D6E for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:43:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mv@thebeastie.org) Received: from p4.roq.com (localhost.roq.com [127.0.0.1]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6CF4CFAF for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:44:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vaulte.jumbuck.com (ppp166-27.static.internode.on.net [150.101.166.27]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089B34CF5F for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:43:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vaulte.jumbuck.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vaulte.jumbuck.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D338C8A031; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:42:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from [192.168.46.102] (unknown [192.168.46.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vaulte.jumbuck.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5688A028; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:42:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <44EA9937.7090203@thebeastie.org> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:42:15 +1000 From: Michael Vince User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060727 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles A. Landemaine" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:44:23 -0000 Charles A. Landemaine wrote: > Please add a comment in this blog thread to ask for Adobe Flash > developper to support FreeBSD and not just Linux :) > > http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/08/across_the_distros_1.html > > I think he is the only developper working on a Flash Plugin for Unix. > _______________________________________________ The truth is I have often believed that over a long enough time line FreeBSD would have better driver/program support for the hard things like high end video cards and flash players compared to Linux simply because it doesn't have the greed fueled license gremlins. Sadly this hasn't really eventuated. You can often see the true nature of Linux when you do things like try to load a non GPL kernel module (such as the BSD IPFilter) and it errors and comes back with "You have tried to load a non GPL kernel module into the Linux kernel" Well this is what I said even if its a bit over the top and I can't imagine everyone seeing it like I do. To bad there isn't a FreeBSD port, unlike Linux GPL where binary programs like the Linux Flash player are purely a GPL violation where Linux has just chosen to turn a blind eye to, with FreeBSD its a single complete operating system that suffers no distro variation hell and encourages private binary programs such as a flash player because of its truly free no strings attached legal problem free license, BSD. The truth is doing a flash player on Linux over BSD is absolute true madness. Professional companies like Apple understand license issues far better and that’s why they are even happy to make the core of their operating system based from FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 06:14:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D831A16A4E1 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9D643D55 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:14:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1821069wxd for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:14:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LUaJvIx/2VmjurbKBwMPfNH57ohA/fbPPZT+KJu3TerwblpuapYs5uzGPUwD1RdBMkLSHlBc0/4NBEUM5ozc52l7MtSZ43MctNXmetQDcynQbEGYEuM+ihOCYAgnV6pozVWkFp1cb1w+q8HPHXoaS2iUJE/osLb1enBC5of2uLI= Received: by 10.70.51.17 with SMTP id y17mr10976296wxy; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.3 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:14:47 -0700 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:14:48 -0000 On 8/21/06, Mitch wrote: > I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on > all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on > freebsd, ie6 on windows). IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are the only browsers with "native" SVG support. If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are screenshots of the bad logos: http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 07:18:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A6316A4DE; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from havoc.unixathome.org (havoc.unixathome.org [66.154.98.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E61C43D45; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:18:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915225644E; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:18:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from havoc.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (havoc.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fndv62LvG-wb; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [70.26.229.230]) by havoc.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6182356433; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.55.0.99] (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CF6B822; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:18:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Nikolas Britton" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:18:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44EA7769.10714.15C4665C@dan.langille.org> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:18:06 -0000 On 21 Aug 2006 at 23:14, Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 8/21/06, Mitch wrote: > > I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on > > all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on > > freebsd, ie6 on windows). > > IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap: > > FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in > browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are > the only browsers with "native" SVG support. > > If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG > logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg > > If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are > screenshots of the bad logos: > http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png > http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png Opera 9.01 on Windows NT renders it just fine. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 07:32:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8561816A4F2; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5324543D8D; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:32:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC8C10E6B5; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:31:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RtIItf2bsK23; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:31:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E215B10E5F5; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:31:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:31:56 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1322895895.20060822093156@rulez.sk> To: "Dan Langille" In-Reply-To: <44EA7769.10714.15C4665C@dan.langille.org> References: <44EA7769.10714.15C4665C@dan.langille.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:32:38 -0000 Hello Dan, Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 9:18:01 AM, you wrote: > On 21 Aug 2006 at 23:14, Nikolas Britton wrote: >> On 8/21/06, Mitch wrote: >> > I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on >> > all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on >> > freebsd, ie6 on windows). >> >> IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap: >> >> FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in >> browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are >> the only browsers with "native" SVG support. >> >> If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG >> logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg >> >> If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are >> screenshots of the bad logos: >> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png >> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png > Opera 9.01 on Windows NT renders it just fine. I'm using Opera 9.01 on Windows XP and it does not render well. I can see weird colors in the logo, a mix of yellow, orange and red and black. If anybody is interested in screenshot, I can capture it :-) -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 07:52:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E2216A4DD; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from m21.unixathome.org (m21.unixathome.org [205.150.199.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E9743D45; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:52:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [205.150.199.217]) by m21.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5D5C3A5; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.unixathome.org ([205.150.199.217]) by localhost (m21.unixathome.org [205.150.199.217]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09164-07; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [70.26.229.230]) by m21.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F39C39C; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.55.0.99] (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B59B822; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Daniel Gerzo Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:52:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44EA7F69.19142.15E3A89F@dan.langille.org> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1322895895.20060822093156@rulez.sk> References: <44EA7769.10714.15C4665C@dan.langille.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at unixathome.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:52:17 -0000 On 22 Aug 2006 at 9:31, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Hello Dan, > > Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 9:18:01 AM, you wrote: > > > On 21 Aug 2006 at 23:14, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > >> On 8/21/06, Mitch wrote: > >> > I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on > >> > all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on > >> > freebsd, ie6 on windows). > >> > >> IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap: > >> > >> FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in > >> browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are > >> the only browsers with "native" SVG support. > >> > >> If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG > >> logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg > >> > >> If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are > >> screenshots of the bad logos: > >> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png > >> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png > > > Opera 9.01 on Windows NT renders it just fine. > > I'm using Opera 9.01 on Windows XP and it does not render well. I can > see weird colors in the logo, a mix of yellow, orange and red and > black. If anybody is interested in screenshot, I can capture it :-) The errors of my ways have been highlighted. Ignore my previous claim please. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 07:56:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497F316A52D; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:56:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cmitchd@bellsouth.net) Received: from mail.mdickinson.org (mdickinson.org [64.74.153.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98C643D53; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:56:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cmitchd@bellsouth.net) Received: from adsl-065-013-024-060.sip.asm.bellsouth.net ([65.13.24.60] helo=hydrogen.mdickinson.org) by mail.mdickinson.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFR82-0005o2-8i; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:56:54 -0400 Received: by hydrogen.mdickinson.org with local (Exim 4.63) id 1GFR81-000FOF-J2; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:56:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:56:53 -0400 From: Mitch To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060822075652.GC44700@hydrogen.mdickinson.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Sender: Mitch Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:56:56 -0000 On 08/21/06 23:14 PM, Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 8/21/06, Mitch wrote: > >I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on > >all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on > >freebsd, ie6 on windows). > > IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap: > > FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in > browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are > the only browsers with "native" SVG support. > > If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG > logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg > > If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are > screenshots of the bad logos: > http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png > http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png Sorry, I was refering to the png you mentioned, not the svg...and I'll admit I didn't read very closely. Looks like the svg was exported from Illustrator, with some dependancy on Adobe extensions of some sort. I grabbed Adobe's SVG viewer thing on a windows box, but IE complains about the xml. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 11:29:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A2216A4E5; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:29:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from garek.tecnik93.com (garek.tecnik93.com [82.76.1.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A8C43D58; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:29:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from garek.tecnik93.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by garek.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD74B6281; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:29:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [192.168.0.10]) by garek.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:29:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id E349849E; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:29:43 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:29:43 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Alexander Leidinger Message-ID: <20060822142943.341cfc51@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <20060821080644.jpqrqeca30oc4ss8@netchild.homeip.net> References: <44E8A79B.6050702@iXsystems.com> <20060820214715.0897b9de@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20060821080644.jpqrqeca30oc4ss8@netchild.homeip.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: on buh by ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Matt Olander , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: porting the RealPlayer] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:29:47 -0000 On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:06:44 +0200 Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Quoting Ion-Mihai Tetcu (from Sun, 20 > Aug 2006 21:47:15 +0300): > > > On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:19:07 -0700 > > Matt Olander wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I met with a developer of the Real Player at Linux World. She says > >> they would *love* to port a native version of the Real player to > >> FreeBSD. Yay! She even showed me that they have an older FreeBSD > >> dev environment set up and are ready to start to try compiling it > >> for release after we get it up to date. > > > > Yay ! Good work :) > > Now we just need to convince Adobe too... Yeh. > >> We need a couple of FreeBSD experts to assist with > >> questions/expertise/feedback to make sure this gets finished ;-) > >> Please send me your name/email off list and I'll reply to her with > >> a shortlist of who can help them. > > > > Since it's great to volunteer others ;-) maybe netchild@ (cc'ed) has > > time for this ? > > I don't mind helping out, if time permits. But I'm curious, why did > you suggest me? Hmm, let's see, you did work on sound and linux emulation :) They have a linux product that uses sound and video :) > >> -------- Original Message -------- > > > > [ ... ] > > > >> Also, we're currently only running nightly builds for the stable > >> branch on FreeBSD. Do you think we should be running the current > >> branch as well? That's where all the new functionality is going - > >> like playlists and Windows Media (ahem.. if you have a license for > >> it). Depending on how long porting work takes, FreeBSD may want to > >> just skip the currently released player and go for all the new > >> technology. > > > > From our point of view it would be no problem to have both in the > > Ports Tree (The second as -devel). > > This assumes they are willing to offer beta versions for public > testing instead of only building it "for personal pleasure". Yes, maybe we get lucky. > On a somewhat related topic, which FreeBSD build platforms are > targeted? 4.x, 5.x, 6.x, -current, i386, amd64, sparc64, ...? No reason to target 4.x and 5.x; IMO 6(-STABLE or the last _RELEASE), eventually -CURRENT on i386 and amd64 would be enough. > Regarding the architecture this is more out of curiosity on my side, > but for the FreeBSD versions I'm asking because we have a SoC > student working on implementing parts of the new Open Sound System > (OSS) API which may provide some benefits to realplayer. This code > will first arrive in -current (the SoC is coming to an end, so I will > commit this maybe next month... depending upon reviews and tests), > but I could try to come up with a patch for 6.x as well. A list of > new IOCTLs is at http://wiki.freebsd.org/RyanBeasley/ioctlref. With a > patch for 6.x they could check at runtime if the IOCTLs are supported > and use the new features if desired (= developing software for the > features of tomorrow... ;-) ). I also want to MFC some stuff in the > sound system (bug fixes and new drivers), so depending on their needs > I should do that "soon" or at least provide patches to them. And you ask why I thought of you ? :) -- IOnut Un^d^dregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 15:11:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B997216A4DD for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:11:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shannon@widomaker.com) Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DDE43D5C for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:10:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shannon@widomaker.com) Received: from [69.72.99.188] (helo=escape.goid.lan) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GFXu5-000Ijd-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:10:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (IDENT:1000@daydream.goid.lan [192.168.1.10]) by escape.goid.lan (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k7MF94j26702 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44EB1E10.8060305@widomaker.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:09:04 -0400 From: Charles Shannon Hendrix User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:11:03 -0000 Mark Kane wrote: > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006, at 16:25:21 -0300, Charles A. Landemaine wrote: >> On 8/20/06, Don Witt wrote: >>> The next release of Adobe flash developer will have a revised >>> license which will include FreeBSD. This was per the product >>> manager. >> License is not the most important. What is important for the end user >> is having a native version of his own operating system :) > > I read this last month: > > http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review.html > > The using ALSA for sound in version 9 doesn't sound very good for > getting it to work on FreeBSD even if/when the license allows it. I > don't understand why it's so hard for them to make it compatible with > more OSes. They are in the business of selling software to create > content in their proprietary Flash format, but if that can't be viewed > on every common OS, then I think/know developers will not develop > exclusively in Flash as much. If only we could be so lucky. Personally, I think flash sites *SUCK* and would rather people didn't use it, especially if usage of the site depends on it. It's usually ugly, it means yet more junk hiding the information I want, and it puts a heavy load on my client machine. Save for about 99% of JavaScript that I see. It's usually doing something stupid, it adds useless stuff, and often puts a heavy load on my client machine. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 22 20:14:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DED16A4E2 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:14:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@mkproductions.org) Received: from flpvm23.prodigy.net (flpvm23.prodigy.net [207.115.20.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED79F43D5F for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:14:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark@mkproductions.org) X-ORBL: [75.28.54.53] Received: from localhost (adsl-75-28-54-53.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net [75.28.54.53]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7MKEksX013895; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:14:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:14:41 -0500 From: Mark Kane To: "Nikolas Britton" Message-ID: <20060822151441.2277b971@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0cvs72 (GTK+ 2.8.20; x86_64-unknown-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:14:56 -0000 On Sun, Aug 20, 2006, at 15:28:02 -0700, Nikolas Britton wrote: > What petition, my petition here?: > http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html Yep. Actually, looks like I was number 217...so over 2,000 more since then :). Glad to see around 50 more signatures since yesterday too. > Anyways.. I posted a comment on that blog, I think I wrote "I speak on > behalf of 2276+ people... We want a native Flash player for FreeBSD!" > with a link to the petition at the bottom... It doesn't show up on the > site yet though. Yeah, they approve the posts manually. Hopefully they will approve it. I haven't seen any responses from them about people's comments regarding making a native player for FreeBSD. It's like they're just ignoring the demand. A year or two ago I thought I read that they said they'd need at least 1,000 or 2,000 requests to consider it. Well, we're over that now just on the petition alone... -Mark -- Internet Radio: Party107 (Trance/Electronic) - http://www.party107.com Rock 101.9 The Edge (Rock) - http://www.rock1019.net IRC: MIXXnet IRC Network - irc.mixxnet.net (Nick: MIXX941) GnuPG Public Key: http://www.mkproductions.org/mk_pubkey.asc From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 23 05:16:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315BD16A4DD for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC54743D49 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:16:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2171748wxd for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:16:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VEVgukng5bvuJurZsQfnLWQIBoo4pzdFVpGvHBXh6u/HU5wBII5Q+n9O1Qs7nFGEoxWqj1CdgLKzXIscifXPndsU4Gc2mhZhwujcL7pfpLp3Fy82ZztdPTBk52+fwNQ5n6T00vhAvPA2li0/0R2QVpsbS8JtO0hnFf/P+P2+azs= Received: by 10.70.98.17 with SMTP id v17mr12948023wxb; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.3 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:16:31 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Dan Langille" In-Reply-To: <44EA7F69.19142.15E3A89F@dan.langille.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44EA7769.10714.15C4665C@dan.langille.org> <1322895895.20060822093156@rulez.sk> <44EA7F69.19142.15E3A89F@dan.langille.org> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Daniel Gerzo , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:16:33 -0000 On 8/22/06, Dan Langille wrote: > On 22 Aug 2006 at 9:31, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > > > Hello Dan, > > > > Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 9:18:01 AM, you wrote: > > > > > On 21 Aug 2006 at 23:14, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > > >> On 8/21/06, Mitch wrote: > > >> > I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on > > >> > all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on > > >> > freebsd, ie6 on windows). > > >> > > >> IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap: > > >> > > >> FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in > > >> browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are > > >> the only browsers with "native" SVG support. > > >> > > >> If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG > > >> logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg > > >> > > >> If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are > > >> screenshots of the bad logos: > > >> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png > > >> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png > > > > > Opera 9.01 on Windows NT renders it just fine. > > > > I'm using Opera 9.01 on Windows XP and it does not render well. I can > > see weird colors in the logo, a mix of yellow, orange and red and > > black. If anybody is interested in screenshot, I can capture it :-) > > The errors of my ways have been highlighted. Ignore my previous > claim please. > After more fiddling I still can't get the SVG logo(s) to display correctly. It will only display correctly in Adobe products. I've tried Inkscape, Karbon14, Opera 9, and Firefox 1.5... I even opened up the original Adobe Illustrator file in Illustrator CS2 and re-exported it to SVG. no dice! zero! nill! nothing! I even played with all the Illustrator SVG export settings. We have a decision to make. Do we keep the bad logo(s) in the SVG file or pitch them? If we can't view or use the logos on FreeBSD or Linux why do we keep them.... only people with Adobe + Windows or Mac can see them. Here's what I think we should do: 1. Slice and dice the master logo-basic.ai file so that each logo has it's own discrete file. 2. Each logo file will then be download-able in different file formats: .AI, .EPS, .SVG, .TIF, and/or anything else you can think of. 3. Redesign the logo.html page to accommodate all the new files. I have Adobe Illustrator CS2, Photoshop CS2, etc. and I'm willing to do this for the group, but only if I get some kind of official nod. I don't want to waste my time doing all of this work and not have them put on the website. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 23 10:53:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B1C16A4DD; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:53:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from orchid.homeunix.org (aun137.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.27.21.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F0D43DCD; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:50:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (blackacidevil.orchid.homeunix.org [192.168.1.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by orchid.homeunix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7NAoRkj054175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:50:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org) Message-ID: <44EC32EC.2070804@orchid.homeunix.org> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:50:20 +0200 From: Karol Kwiatkowski User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060731) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 OpenPGP: id=06E09309; url=http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigAC46FD731B12FE8A736BDE59" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/1715/Wed Aug 23 10:25:01 2006 on orchid.homeunix.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:53:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigAC46FD731B12FE8A736BDE59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22/08/2006 08:14, Nikolas Britton wrote: > FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in > browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are > the only browsers with "native" SVG support. >=20 > If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG > logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg I'm not familiar with SVG but could it be that logos are rendered badly in firefox because SVG 1.1 is not fully supported? Here's implementation status: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/status.html Just a thought. I'm not sure about Opera. Karol --=20 Karol Kwiatkowski OpenPGP: http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc --------------enigAC46FD731B12FE8A736BDE59 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7DLzezeoPAwGIYsRAokrAJ0TqIOvQx8DcHIrmoUV5JN6E43g2QCglgfT JdLwljNBewsGloOqrEwqvWY= =TGno -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigAC46FD731B12FE8A736BDE59-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 23 15:06:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC71416A4DE for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C9043D4C for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:06:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so134220wxd for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:06:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CqUoB8ia/ZqytNk0X9k6ObokC1rS4N9NMmXAk9P2Ao41VHltw4IA8qF60a/iYap1Jzyrbocb8sT3n6d+mJurPmZu1eq7ch5uSeF7xgYCy097wzvxab1QEzXt0SYP8pIpSIB56LngOhS23z9qwPlP3Q/L4gq650zkSB9mkCE3gM0= Received: by 10.70.69.2 with SMTP id r2mr659908wxa; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.3 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:06:17 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: freebsd@orchid.homeunix.org In-Reply-To: <44EC32EC.2070804@orchid.homeunix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44EC32EC.2070804@orchid.homeunix.org> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:06:21 -0000 On 8/23/06, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: > On 22/08/2006 08:14, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in > > browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are > > the only browsers with "native" SVG support. > > > > If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG > > logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg > > I'm not familiar with SVG but could it be that logos are rendered > badly in firefox because SVG 1.1 is not fully supported? > > Here's implementation status: > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/status.html > > Just a thought. I'm not sure about Opera. > I tried exporting it has SVG 1.0. If you open the SVG file in a text editor (it's XML) the logos that don't render correctly have raster images encoded inline. I believe this is why they don't render correctly. Also It doesn't matter what the problems are, we still need to separate the logos and provide them in alternate forms, EPS and a hi-res Tiff image. You can't send 10 images in one file to press... It's not how the print industry works.... Like I said in my previous post, I'll do the work but only if I get a nod from a commiter with access to the website. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 24 18:17:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057B116A4E0 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355F843D45 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:17:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k7OIH5DG002517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:17:11 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7OIHFuX036755; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:17:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k7OIHA0M036746; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:17:10 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:17:10 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Mark Kane Message-ID: <20060824181710.GA36711@gothmog.pc> References: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.477, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65, BAYES_00 -2.60, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS 0.78, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Charles A. Landemaine" Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:17:30 -0000 On 2006-08-20 15:46, Mark Kane wrote: > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006, at 16:25:21 -0300, Charles A. Landemaine wrote: > > On 8/20/06, Don Witt wrote: > > > The next release of Adobe flash developer will have a revised > > > license which will include FreeBSD. This was per the product > > > manager. > > > > License is not the most important. What is important for the end user > > is having a native version of his own operating system :) Agreed. > I read this last month: > > http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review.html > > The using ALSA for sound in version 9 doesn't sound very good for > getting it to work on FreeBSD even if/when the license allows it. I > don't understand why it's so hard for them to make it compatible with > more OSes. They are in the business of selling software to create > content in their proprietary Flash format, but if that can't be viewed > on every common OS, then I think/know developers will not develop > exclusively in Flash as much. I'm probably stating the blatantly obvious, but the trick is how we can convince them that FreeBSD is a "common OS", I guess :) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 25 01:26:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7115716A4DD for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:26:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F082743D45 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:26:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36CD290C2B; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:26:51 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81383-01; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1046) id D553A291AFB; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:26:50 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0339290C2B; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:26:50 -0300 (ADT) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:26:46 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@hub.org To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <20060824181710.GA36711@gothmog.pc> Message-ID: <20060824222102.M82634@hub.org> References: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> <20060824181710.GA36711@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "Charles A. Landemaine" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:26:58 -0000 On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2006-08-20 15:46, Mark Kane wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 20, 2006, at 16:25:21 -0300, Charles A. Landemaine wrote: >>> On 8/20/06, Don Witt wrote: >>>> The next release of Adobe flash developer will have a revised >>>> license which will include FreeBSD. This was per the product >>>> manager. >>> >>> License is not the most important. What is important for the end user >>> is having a native version of his own operating system :) > > Agreed. > >> I read this last month: >> >> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review.html >> >> The using ALSA for sound in version 9 doesn't sound very good for >> getting it to work on FreeBSD even if/when the license allows it. I >> don't understand why it's so hard for them to make it compatible with >> more OSes. They are in the business of selling software to create >> content in their proprietary Flash format, but if that can't be viewed >> on every common OS, then I think/know developers will not develop >> exclusively in Flash as much. > > I'm probably stating the blatantly obvious, but the trick is how we can > convince them that FreeBSD is a "common OS", I guess :) That is why I wrote up and setup bsdstats.org ... see /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats ... get included ... the idea is to get continuous, monthly numbers on deployments of FreeBSD, what versions are in use, what architectures ... and, if you so desire to add it, what hardware is in use also ... It started as an attempt to get numbers for hardware vendors to show that porting drivers to us is 'a good market', but it definitely applies to anything else ... showing realistic numbers to show that we are a "common OS" and not a hobbiest OS ... This is *not* a short term project though ... there are 5-10 new hosts being added daily, but "it had to start somewhere" ... Please note that alot of work was done with ppl on -questions to reduce the security implications of this script, to the point that we don't store anything in the database that could be traced back to a specific machine (ie. no IP, no hostname) ... *and* we taken steps to try and mitigate 'fakers' ... no way to eliminate them completely, but our hope is that as the numbers get higher, the %age of 'fakers' will drop to a neglible amount ... See http://www.bsdstats.org for current results ... From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 25 03:11:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCBE16A4DD; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:11:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DF543D45; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:11:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k7P3BWDL028995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:11:33 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7P3BfUu056825; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:11:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k7P3Bf4Y056824; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:11:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:11:41 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20060825031141.GB56345@gothmog.pc> References: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> <20060824181710.GA36711@gothmog.pc> <20060824222102.M82634@hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060824222102.M82634@hub.org> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.473, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65, BAYES_00 -2.60, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS 0.78, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:11:47 -0000 On 2006-08-24 22:26, "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > I'm probably stating the blatantly obvious, but the trick is how we > > can convince them that FreeBSD is a "common OS", I guess :) > > That is why I wrote up and setup bsdstats.org ... see > /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats ... get included ... the idea is to get > continuous, monthly numbers on deployments of FreeBSD, what versions > are in use, what architectures ... and, if you so desire to add it, > what hardware is in use also ... The port has a few minor problems, but I did install and run it here. Can we fix the following too, please? :-) # pkg_delete bsdstats-3.0_2 pkg_delete: file '/usr/local/etc/periodic/montly' doesn't exist pkg_delete: unable to completely remove directory '/usr/local/etc/periodic/montly' pkg_delete: unable to completely remove directory '/usr/local/etc/periodic' pkg_delete: couldn't entirely delete package (perhaps the packing list is incorrectly specified?) root@gothmog:/root# From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 25 14:25:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130CE16A56D; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:25:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-0-0-cust107.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.104.168.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7010A43D69; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:25:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from fenrir.insrv.cf.ac.uk ([131.251.50.213]) by shrike.submonkey.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGccR-0004Re-Qj; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:25:33 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:25:04 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Nikolas Britton , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo) Thread-Index: AcbIUkGYf+naEDRFEdurlgAUUSJIlg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:25:44 -0000 On 23/8/06 16:06, "Nikolas Britton" wrote: > Also It doesn't matter what the problems are, we still need to > separate the logos and provide them in alternate forms, EPS and a > hi-res Tiff image. You can't send 10 images in one file to press... > It's not how the print industry works.... Like I said in my previous > post, I'll do the work but only if I get a nod from a commiter with > access to the website. That's me, and please do. Thank you. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 26 02:18:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7491616A4DD for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:18:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD44D43D49 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:18:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C31290C6A; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:18:05 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 72128-02; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1046) id BC2F8291AFA; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:18:04 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6535290C6A; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:18:04 -0300 (ADT) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:18:04 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@hub.org To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <20060825031141.GB56345@gothmog.pc> Message-ID: <20060825231754.P82634@hub.org> References: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> <20060824181710.GA36711@gothmog.pc> <20060824222102.M82634@hub.org> <20060825031141.GB56345@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:18:12 -0000 Fixed, thanks ... On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2006-08-24 22:26, "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >>> I'm probably stating the blatantly obvious, but the trick is how we >>> can convince them that FreeBSD is a "common OS", I guess :) >> >> That is why I wrote up and setup bsdstats.org ... see >> /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats ... get included ... the idea is to get >> continuous, monthly numbers on deployments of FreeBSD, what versions >> are in use, what architectures ... and, if you so desire to add it, >> what hardware is in use also ... > > The port has a few minor problems, but I did install and run it here. > > Can we fix the following too, please? :-) > > # pkg_delete bsdstats-3.0_2 > pkg_delete: file '/usr/local/etc/periodic/montly' doesn't exist > pkg_delete: unable to completely remove directory '/usr/local/etc/periodic/montly' > pkg_delete: unable to completely remove directory '/usr/local/etc/periodic' > pkg_delete: couldn't entirely delete package (perhaps the packing list is incorrectly specified?) > root@gothmog:/root# > >