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> >> I'm probably stating the blatantly obvious, but the trick is how
> we can
> >> convince them that FreeBSD is a "common OS", I guess :)
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> > Not an easy task, 60% of all companies I talked too
> > had problems to get int installed on an used hardware.
my difficulty installing freebsd was after starting the installation and
then learning freebsd must be installed in a primary partition. with
very large disk drives i have many more than four partitions. modern
linux distributions may be installed in any primary OR extended
partition.. the grub loader can now begin the bootload from any
partion. i do not understand if there is a reason for restricting
installation of freebsd to a primary partition. to me, this restriction
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Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push
the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting
from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ...
Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ?
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push
> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting
> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ...
>
> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ?
>
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I think someone is playing games. I saw Korea put up 40 plus boxen in
under 10 mins. And between Net, Open and DF, there are only a few...
Kinda makes ya go Hmmmm.
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Chris wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>
>> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push
>> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting
>> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ...
>>
>> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ?
>>
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> I think someone is playing games. I saw Korea put up 40 plus boxen in
> under 10 mins. And between Net, Open and DF, there are only a few...
Are you sure? And if so, based on what ... ?
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Chris wrote:
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>> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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>>> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push
>>> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting
>>> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ...
>>>
>>> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ?
>>>
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>> I think someone is playing games. I saw Korea put up 40 plus boxen in
>> under 10 mins. And between Net, Open and DF, there are only a few...
>
> Are you sure? And if so, based on what ... ?
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It seemed to coincidental that all 3 OS's were accelerating within the
same time frame and all within a relatively close margin from one another.
Just a hunch
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Chris wrote:
> It seemed to coincidental that all 3 OS's were accelerating within the
> same time frame and all within a relatively close margin from one
> another.
245 of the Korean hits came from the same IP, which would be within the
realm of a NATd box ... and, looking at the logs, each system is reporting
how/as I'd expect it ...
It could be one of the schools in Korea?
As I said, looking at the data itself, if it is someone playing games,
they've gone to alot of effort to "mask" it ... including mix-n-matching
Operating Systems with Architectures, so that they aren't all reporting
the exact same thing ... even the user agents are coming through "as
expected" for each of hte operating systems reported ...
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On Sep 8, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to
> push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes
> reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then
> OpenBSD ...
>
> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ?
Or maybe the FreeBSD users in Korea use their systems for real work
and don't read this list or play these sorts of games... The Open/
Net/DFly users are hobbyists who like to play these games.
I am not knocking the bsdstats effort -- just that lots of serious
users with machines in production won't report back (I know I am
not). Your sample is probably statistically invalid.
best regards
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Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
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> On Sep 8, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
>>
>> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to
>> push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes
>> reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then
>> OpenBSD ...
>>
>> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ?
>
> Or maybe the FreeBSD users in Korea use their systems for real work and
> don't read this list or play these sorts of games... The Open/Net/DFly
> users are hobbyists who like to play these games.
>
> I am not knocking the bsdstats effort -- just that lots of serious users
> with machines in production won't report back (I know I am not). Your
> sample is probably statistically invalid.
>
> best regards
> Chad
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Not to mention how many are vmwared. Does that count? Could it count?
Would it count?
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> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting=
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So which korean freebsd mailing lists did you advertise bsdstats on?
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On 8/09/2006 3:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push
> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting
> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ...
>
> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ?
Are you sure they weren't just hit by the same timezone issue affecting
us Aussies...? :-) After all, DFly/Open/Net didn't start coming on board
until after the monthly rollover that affected us in .au ...
(For those wondering what all that means: the BSDstats server counted
.au and nearby timezones into August's results, rather than September,
because the BSDStats server's time was still in August when our machines
started doing our monthly periodic run for September...)
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Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 10:02:45PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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>> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push
>> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting
>> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ...
>>
>> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ?
>
> So which korean freebsd mailing lists did you advertise bsdstats on?
There are korean maillng lists? :)
And, I've been talking to Matt @ DragonFlyBSD, and he believes that the
reports from Korea/China are bogus ... there is no AMD64 port of DragonFly
...
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On 9/9/06, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC <chad@shire.net> wrote:
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> On Sep 8, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> >
> > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to
> > push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes
> > reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then
> > OpenBSD ...
> >
> > Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ?
There are some portal enterprises using FreeBSD such Yahoo! Korea,
Dreamwiz and Neowiz. They each have more than 1000 hosts at least.
> Or maybe the FreeBSD users in Korea use their systems for real work
> and don't read this list or play these sorts of games... The Open/
> Net/DFly users are hobbyists who like to play these games.
Many of Korean BSDers doesn't read the mailing lists at all. Some of them
don't read even manpages. So there's no need to be surprised at the
no-show on stats. :-)
I just advertised bsdstats to the local BSD community. So there will few
responses soon.
Hye-Shik