From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 1 23:13:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6688216A40F; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FF943D49; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:13:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD663A4654; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:13:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01976-05; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24363A4650; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:11:55 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059533A621; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:12:06 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:12:05 -0300 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: scrappy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <26EEDF4D00A6FED35E475A61@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:22:09 +0000 Cc: Subject: BSDStats 4.0 - You need to upgrade ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:13:21 -0000 IMPORTANT! This message has been blind-carbon-copied to you. Do not reply-to-all or forward it without the author's permission. Apologies for the multi-list post, but I've been receiving several requests from varous *BSD users about this, so figured I'd hit everyone in one fell swoop ... First, for those that aren't aware, back in August, after some lengthy discussions on the FreeBSD mailing lists, I built a script that is meant to provide a means of building up usage metrics for the *BSD operating systems ... something that refreshes itself mountly (ie. periodic monthly script in FreeBSD) so that it isn't "who installed *BSD", but "who is currently running *BSD" ... The results of this work can be seen at http://www.bsdstats.org This is not a "FreeBSD is better then ..." sort of thing, although some wish to see it that way ... the point is to get an idea of how many are running *BSDs to show vendors (both software and hardware) that we aren't just a bunch of hobbiest, but are viable market that they should be addressing. Since we started this, we've hit two hurdles that had to be addressed by upgrading the script in such a way that makes the older ones unable to be used for reporting ... If you are running the script, please make sure that you are running the *newest* version, which is available at: http://www.bsdstats.org/downloads/300.statistics For those paranoid about running stuff like this ... its a shell script, and there is nothing 'hidden' or 'covert' about it ... it sends in what operating system, what version and what architecture you are running ... we do not store your IP or hostname in the database, everything is key'd off a key you send in on first connection, and a token we send back ... after that first run, unless you remove the token file from your server, it will repeatedly use the same key/token pair ... And, the script is meant to be run monthly ... we are looking for long term usage numbers, not a 'point in time' sort of thing ... So, if you haven't downloaded and upgraded to the newest version, please do and run the script when finished to get your host into the system. If you have any questions, please email me directly ... From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 00:08:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E79716A40F; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:08:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33E543D45; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:08:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1383A4656; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:08:31 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56837-08; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:07:22 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568443A4654; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:07:15 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8F23BE08; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:07:26 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:07:26 -0300 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org, users@lists.ddragonflybsd.org, current-users@netbsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org Message-ID: <920ED4C6D0C324A5F14B0875@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:11:04 +0000 Cc: Subject: BSDStats 4.0 - You need to upgrade ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:08:39 -0000 Apologies for the multi-list post, but I've been receiving several requests from varous *BSD users about this, so figured I'd hit everyone in one fell swoop ... First, for those that aren't aware, back in August, after some lengthy discussions on the FreeBSD mailing lists, I built a script that is meant to provide a means of building up usage metrics for the *BSD operating systems ... something that refreshes itself mountly (ie. periodic monthly script in FreeBSD) so that it isn't "who installed *BSD", but "who is currently running *BSD" ... The results of this work can be seen at http://www.bsdstats.org This is not a "FreeBSD is better then ..." sort of thing, although some wish to see it that way ... the point is to get an idea of how many are running *BSDs to show vendors (both software and hardware) that we aren't just a bunch of hobbiest, but are viable market that they should be addressing. Since we started this, we've hit two hurdles that had to be addressed by upgrading the script in such a way that makes the older ones unable to be used for reporting ... If you are running the script, please make sure that you are running the *newest* version, which is available at: http://www.bsdstats.org/downloads/300.statistics For those paranoid about running stuff like this ... its a shell script, and there is nothing 'hidden' or 'covert' about it ... it sends in what operating system, what version and what architecture you are running ... we do not store your IP or hostname in the database, everything is key'd off a key you send in on first connection, and a token we send back ... after that first run, unless you remove the token file from your server, it will repeatedly use the same key/token pair ... And, the script is meant to be run monthly ... we are looking for long term usage numbers, not a 'point in time' sort of thing ... So, if you haven't downloaded and upgraded to the newest version, please do and run the script when finished to get your host into the system. If you have any questions, please email me directly ... From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 18:21:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB2316A407 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:21:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630E543D82 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:21:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so496093uge for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SS6d2hITJJKOk8kZ5SpkhHy7mZWRjJ2w0VXrnnTKKyGjJyt6ZOuBk16z7stfU4++KC9q+VjohvhwMl7hl1/UGF92D7han2i8+JKGuZjtqw22gk9FuY0XAChnW6OAGJeLscLZ4R76b4sMiDzCbcu+KlhgAwypUihstWb8YZuYFqU= Received: by 10.67.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr2892908ugm; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.248.4 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:21:33 -0300 From: "Eduardo Meyer" To: stable@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:21:40 -0000 Things that makes me nuts. I have heard before about EV1 saying foolishes about FreeBSD, specially a big stupid stuff regarding PHP on FreeBSD, now it just happened to me. I asked to install the system with FreeBSD 6 instead of their default 5.4. And what I got as a response? "if your server is re-imaged with 6.0 vs the 5.4 version currently installed we will not be able to support this. We have found that the versions after 5.4 are inherantly unstable. Please let us know what course of action you would like to take." I could not believe it. It is not a question. I just had to shout about it. I plan to switch from EV1 to PAIR or NYI if they don't reply to me with an acceptable response. I'll have a meeting with my directors about it later this aftertoon. It made me sick. -- =========== Eduardo Meyer pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 18:35:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAC516A4E2 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C7643D97 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:35:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.177]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J6I00F64U903F30@l-daemon> for advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.147]) by pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J6I00EZJU90TKS0@pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hexahedron.daemonology.net ([24.82.18.31]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0J6I00GUFU8ZYT80@l-daemon> for advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19857 invoked from network); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:34:11 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:34:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:34:10 -0700 From: Colin Percival In-reply-to: To: Eduardo Meyer Message-id: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060416) Cc: stable@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:35:44 -0000 Eduardo Meyer wrote: > "if your server is re-imaged with 6.0 vs the 5.4 version currently > installed we will not be able to support this. We have found that the > versions after 5.4 are inherantly unstable. Please let us know what > course of action you would like to take." EV1Servers has never been a major supporter of FreeBSD -- back when they were RackShack, it took a petition of several hundred people before they started offering FreeBSD at all. I wonder if they'll start offering more recent FreeBSD releases next month after FreeBSD 5.4 becomes unsupported... Colin Percival From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 18:53:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9097F16A412; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: from thebighonker.lerctr.org (thebighonker.lerctr.org [192.147.25.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E3243D5E; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:52:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lerami; d=lerctr.org; h=Received:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:X-Spam-Score:X-LERCTR-Spam-Score:X-Spam-Report:X-LERCTR-Spam-Report:DomainKey-Status; b=sGWOb8h3e5lP56b7mBhkck2oXEefNBiiJcJOE/sL9sfF+z4hNd0iSKs/3jqg60NkA9d+x1mltT79MOuqQtU76xD2T609ivWEmrlyAD69AOM9Htxh5bNgKfJsQwKea4Tk+gA3xUFWRrCN0q8unbVamPb+j3v/iyLmkTdhM3vGLwg=; Received: from [66.179.40.122] (port=31644 helo=SURGLROSENMAN) by thebighonker.lerctr.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GUStj-000F7X-Jt; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:52:17 -0500 From: "Larry Rosenman" To: "'Colin Percival'" , "'Eduardo Meyer'" Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:52:05 -0500 Message-ID: <007001c6e653$e0f38e90$0202fea9@SURGIENT.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> Thread-Index: AcbmU3xgcbQS2cRmQkG2rJe6XmUcXgAADqWw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-LERCTR-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Spam-Report: (-4.4 points, 5.0 required) ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8 BAYES_00=-2.599 X-LERCTR-Spam-Report: (-4.4 points, 5.0 required) ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8 BAYES_00=-2.599 DomainKey-Status: no signature Cc: stable@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:53:00 -0000 Colin Percival wrote: > Eduardo Meyer wrote: >> "if your server is re-imaged with 6.0 vs the 5.4 version currently >> installed we will not be able to support this. We have found that the >> versions after 5.4 are inherantly unstable. Please let us know what >> course of action you would like to take." > > EV1Servers has never been a major supporter of FreeBSD -- back when > they were RackShack, it took a petition of several hundred people > before they started offering FreeBSD at all. > > I wonder if they'll start offering more recent FreeBSD releases next > month after FreeBSD 5.4 becomes unsupported... > I know I was able to request (from ThePlanet, which merged with EV1) a FreeBSD-6.1 system, and they didn't give me the "unsupported" line. (this was within the last month for one of my clients). LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 512-248-2683 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 430 Valona Loop, Round Rock, TX 78681-3893 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 19:18:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583A916A590 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460DF43D8A for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:17:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dudu.meyer@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so502658uge for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:17:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oGQbZDl4KgWJF1YYj7iMEScc+l5fLrARUnTezJ8jcjOM2Y6SItYN8Cj0GjJyo+2NgfRO8O/44PDinYRFfSOQ7dxHlAlFpIu1Yerbgv+owbRTwJD7RuQ4eRKjShbXOQzYKlgCkBdWD43Oa9GCcjxNQeyaR91PC6kA2M9BTY4w/Uk= Received: by 10.67.105.19 with SMTP id h19mr2941204ugm; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.248.4 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:17:54 -0300 From: "Eduardo Meyer" To: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:18:04 -0000 > EV1Servers has never been a major supporter of FreeBSD -- back when > they were RackShack, it took a petition of several hundred people > before they started offering FreeBSD at all. > > I wonder if they'll start offering more recent FreeBSD releases next > month after FreeBSD 5.4 becomes unsupported... I have mentioned that 5.4 EoL is scheduled to this month (31st) and asked how they will deal with this. I have been pointed in private mail to http://www.fdcservers.net/ which seems to treat FreeBSD more seriously too, in case anyone else is/get disapointed by EV1's lack of professionalism regarding FreeBSD. -- =========== Eduardo Meyer pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 19:19:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D33116A40F; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from witt@cylogistics.com) Received: from outbound.sentinare.net (outbound.sentinare.net [69.36.229.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C168F43D7C; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:19:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from witt@cylogistics.com) Received: from outbound.sentinare.net ([10.7.5.200]) by localhost (cf03.prod.scl.sentinare.net [10.7.5.103]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23911-02; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MALARD (c-69-181-201-237.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [69.181.201.237]) by mail.sentinare.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BE3239CF; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Don Witt" To: "'Larry Rosenman'" , "'Colin Percival'" , "'Eduardo Meyer'" Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:19:09 -0700 Organization: cyLogistics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbmU3xgcbQS2cRmQkG2rJe6XmUcXgAADqWwAAD3ICA= In-Reply-To: <007001c6e653$e0f38e90$0202fea9@SURGIENT.COM> Message-Id: <20061002191855.D5BE3239CF@outbound.sentinare.net> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sentinare.net Cc: stable@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: witt@cylogistics.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:19:09 -0000 The BSDMall will supply servers. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > Larry Rosenman > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:52 AM > To: 'Colin Percival'; 'Eduardo Meyer' > Cc: stable@freebsd.org; advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: EV1 Servers makes me sick > > Colin Percival wrote: > > Eduardo Meyer wrote: > >> "if your server is re-imaged with 6.0 vs the 5.4 version currently > >> installed we will not be able to support this. We have > found that the > >> versions after 5.4 are inherantly unstable. Please let us > know what > >> course of action you would like to take." > > > > EV1Servers has never been a major supporter of FreeBSD -- back when > > they were RackShack, it took a petition of several hundred people > > before they started offering FreeBSD at all. > > > > I wonder if they'll start offering more recent FreeBSD > releases next > > month after FreeBSD 5.4 becomes unsupported... > > > I know I was able to request (from ThePlanet, which merged with EV1) a > FreeBSD-6.1 system, > and they didn't give me the "unsupported" line. > > (this was within the last month for one of my clients). > > LER > > > -- > Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler > Phone: +1 512-248-2683 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org > US Mail: 430 Valona Loop, Round Rock, TX 78681-3893 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 20:16:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8C216A47B; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CD543D95; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:16:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k92KGhsT032918; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:16:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6D3ECB836; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:16:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:16:43 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Eduardo Meyer Message-ID: <20061002201643.GA57069@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: stable@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:16:56 -0000 --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 03:21:33PM -0300, Eduardo Meyer wrote: > "if your server is re-imaged with 6.0 vs the 5.4 version currently > installed we will not be able to support this. We have found that the > versions after 5.4 are inherantly unstable. Please let us know what > course of action you would like to take." >=20 > I could not believe it. Well, these are the same guys that bought a license from SCO for SCO's alleged "IP" in Linux (and alledgedly in *BSD, before the settlement in USL vs BSDi was made public). Apparently after a large bribe^H^H^H^H^Hdiscount from Microsoft. Definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer, IMHO. But maybe I'm being too harsh. What they're effectively saying is "we don't value your business". The only correct answer is, "fine, I'll take it elsewhere". Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFIXOrEnfvsMMhpyURApCMAJwNl5AraR5dFew5LZg8/xe0pERBbgCcDgKJ cQItNF4zCnjb5jOTmePW+UE= =CFDG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 22:02:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2265916A407 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scott@sremick.net) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87D743D70 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:02:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scott@sremick.net) Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616CFDAEE22; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.internal ([10.202.2.160]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:02:13 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 9HQ4KyiUccL3E0va3Rb1MUK1OheqF5lY1Vtq1NE6u4uu 1159826533 Received: from [10.185.6.114] (unknown [65.213.7.6]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E6E66EB; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:02:09 -0400 From: "Scott I. Remick" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060909 Thunderbird/1.5.0.7 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eduardo Meyer References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:02:16 -0000 Eduardo Meyer wrote: > > I have been pointed in private mail to http://www.fdcservers.net/ > which seems to treat FreeBSD more seriously too, in case anyone else > is/get disapointed by EV1's lack of professionalism regarding FreeBSD. FDC seems to have a pretty sweet price for a VPS (starting at $19/mo) but I see no mention of FreeBSD...? I might consider switching to a VPS if I can find a FreeBSD-based one that is priced affordably (I don't make money off my site, so cost matters). From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 23:45:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCFB16A407 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: from users.757.org (users.757.org [216.54.62.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D4D43D45 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:45:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: by users.757.org (Postfix, from userid 1123) id 9B647A5EE; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.757.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99191A5E7 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:45:05 -0400 (EDT) From: telmnstr@757.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:45:18 -0000 >> EV1Servers has never been a major supporter of FreeBSD -- back when >> they were RackShack, it took a petition of several hundred people >> before they started offering FreeBSD at all. >> I wonder if they'll start offering more recent FreeBSD releases next >> month after FreeBSD 5.4 becomes unsupported... The real issue is, the Linux distros like redhat have a nice, good, easy, way to kick the machine on auto as far as major security patches. In the mainstream world, there is most likely little demand for FreeBSD. Most people probably don't care so much about the OS, it's more about the apps. And I believe Linux handles JAVA servers better, and JAVA is the modern language of business. In the end, the costs of supporting BSD might be high, in comparison to Linux. What could FreeBSD do? How about a system similiar to that offered by RedHat, or Microsoft's "Windows Update" where major packages are automatically tracked and updated when there is a flaw? I'm not trying to knock BSD, although I admit many of my friends who were hardcore BSD people were alienated with 5.x and 6.x, and have mostly left for Linux or NetBSD. I do appreciate what the FreeBSD team does, but the fact is it got a bit too hectic. Just random thoughts. When in doubt, rent a server and run whatever you want. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 3 05:58:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A0916A40F for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 05:58:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rkramer@mweb.com) Received: from mwbmarshal.mweb.com (mwbmarshal.mweb.com [196.2.141.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B956943D4C for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 05:58:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rkramer@mweb.com) Received: from mwbfes1.mweb.com (Not Verified[196.2.141.73]) by mwbmarshal.mweb.com with NetIQ MailMarshal 6.0 Service Pack 1 (v6, 0, 3, 28) id ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:58:24 +0200 Received: from MWBEXCH.mweb.com ([196.2.141.75]) by mwbfes1.mweb.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 07:58:24 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 07:58:23 +0200 Message-ID: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A01D967D4@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EV1 Servers makes me sick Thread-Index: AcbmfNiGqeyr03QlSoS+lZY7TOx20QAMb7OA From: "Rudi Kramer" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2006 05:58:24.0873 (UTC) FILETIME=[F069B590:01C6E6B0] Cc: Subject: RE: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:58:35 -0000 >The real issue is, the Linux distros like redhat have a nice, good, easy,=20 >way to kick the machine on auto as far as major security patches. Something like freebsd-update (http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-update/) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 3 08:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E205216A407 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from ns2.twenty4help.se (ns2.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEFD43D49 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:26:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (132.dairy.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.132]) by ns2.twenty4help.se (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k938TstR042931; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:29:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <45221E91.8010505@401.cx> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:25:53 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Scott I. Remick" References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> In-Reply-To: <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:26:22 -0000 Scott I. Remick wrote: > Eduardo Meyer wrote: >> >> I have been pointed in private mail to http://www.fdcservers.net/ >> which seems to treat FreeBSD more seriously too, in case anyone else >> is/get disapointed by EV1's lack of professionalism regarding FreeBSD. > > FDC seems to have a pretty sweet price for a VPS (starting at $19/mo) > but I see no mention of FreeBSD...? > > I might consider switching to a VPS if I can find a FreeBSD-based one > that is priced affordably (I don't make money off my site, so cost > matters). If you want a cheap VPS you could look at www.jvds.com, I believe they offer FreeBSD VPS's starting at $15. If you want a true dedicated server I recommend www.layeredtech.com, very cheap, stable and friendly staff. I'm not affiliated in any way with any of the above mentioned companies. In the first case I only know them by reputation, in the second, I'm a satisfied customer. -- R From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 3 09:33:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD1716A416 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nullpt@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D642D43D4C for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:33:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nullpt@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so558922uge for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:33:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EAptZyVx9EkgFqFC8q6u6EYJYVM2FvaTnhd1qaGe8QqM+XffGFZl2Tj4Lv8YzD+RSrAkir0ePU9L20K2BD8q3Gee5vamKAAiu875PiK30BE8x+H9XIylfE/SwA3WinXJ8H6iANTjWzRK4dgD+PTYd4FvyhxcGTb4y0M+WC7csuQ= Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr3542963ugl; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.237.20 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 02:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <755cb9fc0610030233s31a1e2f2v42b7b59eb6e20c90@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:33:03 +0100 From: "Alexandre Vieira" To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" , advocacy@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <45221E91.8010505@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> <45221E91.8010505@401.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:33:08 -0000 On 10/3/06, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > > Scott I. Remick wrote: > > Eduardo Meyer wrote: > >> > >> I have been pointed in private mail to http://www.fdcservers.net/ > >> which seems to treat FreeBSD more seriously too, in case anyone else > >> is/get disapointed by EV1's lack of professionalism regarding FreeBSD. > > > > FDC seems to have a pretty sweet price for a VPS (starting at $19/mo) > > but I see no mention of FreeBSD...? > > > > I might consider switching to a VPS if I can find a FreeBSD-based one > > that is priced affordably (I don't make money off my site, so cost > > matters). > > If you want a cheap VPS you could look at www.jvds.com, I believe > they offer FreeBSD VPS's starting at $15. > If you want a true dedicated server I recommend www.layeredtech.com, > very cheap, stable and friendly staff. > > I'm not affiliated in any way with any of the above mentioned > companies. In the first case I only know them by reputation, in the > second, I'm a satisfied customer. > > -- > R > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > I was also told that http://www.serverpronto.com/ is freebsd friendly and extremely cheap. -- Alexandre Vieira - nullpt@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 3 11:53:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEE016A4C2 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:53:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D832343D45 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:53:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2040730wxd for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:53:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lhWZCstz50fQE3OuhZkanU0rJo4Lmwc0VZ3chxJyMAMQpAH/+1e8xBC+tycVc8+iySU0t786ITTuTXRommg2lM7P4CRTCIkRrD2uVDanP96jw9wLdrpb3oBgxSvHRijsfbwMuuEYCwym6rruVYfDSuSH9GjtuBpo1jNTOpSOHM0= Received: by 10.70.38.12 with SMTP id l12mr4914623wxl; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.118.3 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 04:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2fd864e0610030453s62280f14mffe024e76f6dd692@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 06:53:20 -0500 From: Astrodog To: "telmnstr@757.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:53:22 -0000 On 10/2/06, telmnstr@757.org wrote: > > > >> EV1Servers has never been a major supporter of FreeBSD -- back when > >> they were RackShack, it took a petition of several hundred people > >> before they started offering FreeBSD at all. > >> I wonder if they'll start offering more recent FreeBSD releases next > >> month after FreeBSD 5.4 becomes unsupported... > > The real issue is, the Linux distros like redhat have a nice, good, easy, > way to kick the machine on auto as far as major security patches. Easy yes. Nice, and good? Define Nice, or Good. On RH in particular, you're stuck with either not getting fixes you want or need, or getting potentially unstable ones. In the mainstream world, there is most likely little demand for FreeBSD. > Most people probably don't care so much about the OS, it's more about the > apps. And I believe Linux handles JAVA servers better, and JAVA is the > modern language of business. FreeBSD, and Linux both have binary java packages, as well as the ability to compile Java from source. Support on each is pretty much equal at this point. In the end, the costs of supporting BSD might be high, in comparison to > Linux. > > What could FreeBSD do? How about a system similiar to that offered by > RedHat, or Microsoft's "Windows Update" where major packages are > automatically tracked and updated when there is a flaw? Already exists. I'm not trying to knock BSD, although I admit many of my friends who were > hardcore BSD people were alienated with 5.x and 6.x, and have mostly left > for Linux or NetBSD. I do appreciate what the FreeBSD team does, but the > fact is it got a bit too hectic. Heh. NetBSD and Linux are *less* hectic? On the NetBSD side, there's not particularily workable, performance-wise SMP support, or any of the app stuff you talked about above. On Linux, Its painfully rare for any of the vendors involved to patch unless a PoC exploit has been written for their distribution, regardless of what's being exploited. Just random thoughts. > Every time you spread baseless FUD, Beastie dies a little more on the inside, --- Harrison From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 3 14:31:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E9F16A51B; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2866543D46; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:31:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.0.20] (i-83-67-27-141.freedom2surf.net [83.67.27.141]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k93EVCt1085403; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 07:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4522742F.5000305@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:31:11 +0100 From: Nik Clayton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060619) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexandre Vieira References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> <45221E91.8010505@401.cx> <755cb9fc0610030233s31a1e2f2v42b7b59eb6e20c90@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <755cb9fc0610030233s31a1e2f2v42b7b59eb6e20c90@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: ** (2.467) DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 69.55.225.33 Cc: stable@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:31:20 -0000 Alexandre Vieira wrote: > I was also told that http://www.serverpronto.com/ is freebsd friendly and > extremely cheap. Since this seems to have become a recommendation thread, I'm a happy customer of http://www.johncompanies.com/. They offer discounts to open source contributor's too. N From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 3 19:32:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83D516A52D for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:32:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: from users.757.org (users.757.org [216.54.62.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BCC4404B for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:19:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: by users.757.org (Postfix, from userid 1123) id 7B031A5EE; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.757.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A111A5E7 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:19:41 -0400 (EDT) From: telmnstr@757.org In-Reply-To: <2fd864e0610030453s62280f14mffe024e76f6dd692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> <2fd864e0610030453s62280f14mffe024e76f6dd692@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:32:13 -0000 > Easy yes. Nice, and good? Define Nice, or Good. On RH in particular, > you're stuck with either not getting fixes you want or need, or getting > potentially unstable ones. Okay, maybe I went to far with nice. But these are the things that make it in the enterprise. > FreeBSD, and Linux both have binary java packages, as well as the ability to > compile Java from source. Support on each is pretty much equal at this > point. They do, but the majority of support is going to be on the Linux side. I don't know about speed comparisons (Well, "JAVA" and "Speed" don't generally belong in the same sentence). > Heh. NetBSD and Linux are *less* hectic? On the NetBSD side, there's not > particularily workable, performance-wise SMP support, or any of the app > stuff you talked about above. On Linux, Its painfully rare for any of the > vendors involved to patch unless a PoC exploit has been written for their > distribution, regardless of what's being exploited. I realize NetBSD looses on the SMP tip. IIRC Linux is ahead of FreeBSD in regards to SMP, giant locked FreeBSD? I haven't checked out Dragonfly yet. When in doubt with multiproc, Solaris x86 10. > Every time you spread baseless FUD, Beastie dies a little more on the > inside, > --- Harrison I wouldn't call it FUD. I'm just pointing out what I see as issues. I'd rather run BSD over Linux, and generally do. But Linux has advantages, and is in widespread (and growing quickly) corporate use. It is hard to avoid, and there are some good ideas in place. Nothing wrong with copying them and doing it better. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 3 19:46:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C16E16A415; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1809943D4C; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:46:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30B710E63A; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1P5XfGoBZzjJ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C8110E615; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:45 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <164903473.20061003214645@rulez.sk> To: Nik Clayton In-Reply-To: <4522742F.5000305@freebsd.org> References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> <45221E91.8010505@401.cx> <755cb9fc0610030233s31a1e2f2v42b7b59eb6e20c90@mail.gmail.com> <4522742F.5000305@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg , stable@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:46:57 -0000 Hello Nik, Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 4:31:11 PM, you wrote: > Alexandre Vieira wrote: >> I was also told that http://www.serverpronto.com/ is freebsd friendly and >> extremely cheap. > Since this seems to have become a recommendation thread, I'm a happy > customer of http://www.johncompanies.com/. They offer discounts to open > source contributor's too. also layeredtech.com is pretty good. -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 3 20:12:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2F416A415 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) Received: from krell.webweaver.net (krell.webweaver.net [64.124.90.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC34D43D49 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:12:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole To: telmnstr@757.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20061003201245.ED19320F23@krell.webweaver.net> Cc: Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:12:47 -0000 On 03-Oct-06 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that telmnstr@757.org said: > >> Easy yes. Nice, and good? Define Nice, or Good. On RH in particular, >> you're stuck with either not getting fixes you want or need, or getting >> potentially unstable ones. > > Okay, maybe I went to far with nice. > > But these are the things that make it in the enterprise. > >> FreeBSD, and Linux both have binary java packages, as well as the ability to >> compile Java from source. Support on each is pretty much equal at this >> point. > > They do, but the majority of support is going to be on the Linux side. I > don't know about speed comparisons (Well, "JAVA" and "Speed" don't > generally belong in the same sentence). > >> Heh. NetBSD and Linux are *less* hectic? On the NetBSD side, there's not >> particularily workable, performance-wise SMP support, or any of the app >> stuff you talked about above. On Linux, Its painfully rare for any of the >> vendors involved to patch unless a PoC exploit has been written for their >> distribution, regardless of what's being exploited. > > I realize NetBSD looses on the SMP tip. IIRC Linux is ahead of FreeBSD in > regards to SMP, giant locked FreeBSD? I haven't checked out Dragonfly yet. > When in doubt with multiproc, Solaris x86 10. > >> Every time you spread baseless FUD, Beastie dies a little more on the >> inside, >> --- Harrison > > I wouldn't call it FUD. I'm just pointing out what I see as issues. I'd > rather run BSD over Linux, and generally do. But Linux has advantages, and > is in widespread (and growing quickly) corporate use. It is hard to avoid, > and there are some good ideas in place. Nothing wrong with copying them > and doing it better. > I manage a rather large instalation for a site that, so far, is all FreeBSD based. Becouse of certain laking features however I have been looking at various Linux versions. I have to say that to anyone who dis's the FreeBSD install script, run off and install Gentoo. As for the other distro 's, after using FreeBSD for so long, I have to say I find it a little disturbing to install an OS and like it or not, get everything including the kitchen sink installed. Our new programming folks love it as it's all ready done for them. They can insert a CD, answer a few questions and poof they can go about their business programming and not have to be as much of an Sys Admin. Linux has become the anymans Unix. Answer a few questions and when done, get a graphical interface for everything if you like. As someone else pointed out, most people don't care as long as it's easy for them to run and does what they want. In my mind FreeBSD is more Unix like. Linux is more Windows like. Lets face it who has more market share, Windows. FreeBSD has tried to do everything, whereas Linux went after the desktop crowd and grew the server aspect via sheer userbase demand. When speaking about unix or should I just say, anything not Windows or Mac to most people, Linux has become like Kleenix. Who asks for a Face Tissue any more? I even had a tech support person at Netapp ask what version of Linux FreeBSD was. My opinion. Nicole -- ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 3 20:34:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592A616A494 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: from users.757.org (users.757.org [216.54.62.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093A843D6B for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:34:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: by users.757.org (Postfix, from userid 1123) id 541C4A616; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.757.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53364A5EE for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:34:57 -0400 (EDT) From: telmnstr@757.org In-Reply-To: <164903473.20061003214645@rulez.sk> Message-ID: References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> <45221E91.8010505@401.cx> <755cb9fc0610030233s31a1e2f2v42b7b59eb6e20c90@mail.gmail.com> <4522742F.5000305@freebsd.org> <164903473.20061003214645@rulez.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:34:58 -0000 > > also layeredtech.com is pretty good. Also Voxel in NYC supports BSD From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 3 20:41:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D55C16A40F for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: from users.757.org (users.757.org [216.54.62.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA87C43D9A for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:41:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: by users.757.org (Postfix, from userid 1123) id 11C0AA5EE; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.757.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BA7A5E7 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:41:24 -0400 (EDT) From: telmnstr@757.org In-Reply-To: <20061003201245.ED19320F23@krell.webweaver.net> Message-ID: References: <20061003201245.ED19320F23@krell.webweaver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:41:50 -0000 > I manage a rather large instalation for a site that, so far, is all FreeBSD > based. Becouse of certain laking features however I have been looking at > various Linux versions. I have to say that to anyone who dis's the > FreeBSD install script, run off and install Gentoo. As for the other distro > 's, after using FreeBSD for so long, I have to say I find it a little disturbing > to install an OS and like it or not, get everything including the kitchen sink > installed. Agreed! I really like the FreeBSD install system, then again, I'm used to it. I hate the VGA ones. And I hate it when they include everything, but it depends on the intended use. Multimedia apps, it's hard not to revert to every library in the world. Debian linux is by far my favorite linux because it comes with little. > In my mind FreeBSD is more Unix like. Linux is more Windows like. Lets face it > who has more market share, Windows. FreeBSD has tried to do everything, > whereas Linux went after the desktop crowd and grew the server aspect via sheer > userbase demand. When speaking about unix or should I just say, anything not > Windows or Mac to most people, Linux has become like Kleenix. Who asks for a > Face Tissue any more? I even had a tech support person at Netapp ask what > version of Linux FreeBSD was. What was the quote, "Linux is for people who hate Windows, FreeBSD is for the people who like Unix?" The rapid releases of 4.x to 5.x to 6.x felt linux-like though. I have a truck with a 72" rear projection display, and it runs FreeBSD for content playback and netbsd for control (I lucked out that there was nvidia support for freebsd, it was close to running linux). I was driving with the wmaker desktop up and someone yelled "WHOOO LINUX!" Oh well. ( www.757truck.com for pictures and info ). I tend to use whatever works best for the job. 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From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 4 19:25:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D2916A492 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-advocacy@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F5843D7E for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:25:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-advocacy@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GVCMY-00026F-SC for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:25:02 +0200 Received: from 83-131-171-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([83.131.171.55]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:25:02 +0200 Received: from ivoras by 83-131-171-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:25:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:20:21 +0200 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> <45221E91.8010505@401.cx> <755cb9fc0610030233s31a1e2f2v42b7b59eb6e20c90@mail.gmail.com> <4522742F.5000305@freebsd.org> <164903473.20061003214645__8271.53908689997$1159904873$gmane$org@rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 83-131-171-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) In-Reply-To: <164903473.20061003214645__8271.53908689997$1159904873$gmane$org@rulez.sk> Sender: news Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:25:30 -0000 Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Hello Nik, > > Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 4:31:11 PM, you wrote: > >> Alexandre Vieira wrote: >>> I was also told that http://www.serverpronto.com/ is freebsd friendly and >>> extremely cheap. > >> Since this seems to have become a recommendation thread, I'm a happy >> customer of http://www.johncompanies.com/. They offer discounts to open >> source contributor's too. > > also layeredtech.com is pretty good. Maybe these recommendations could find their way in the documentation or on the site? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 4 19:40:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C9316A4D1 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@freebsdgirl.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C766D43D93 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:40:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sektie@freebsdgirl.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so607832nfc for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.204.20 with SMTP id b20mr927337hug; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.147.11 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:40:38 -0500 From: "Randi Harper" To: "Daniel Gerzo" In-Reply-To: <164903473.20061003214645@rulez.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> <45221E91.8010505@401.cx> <755cb9fc0610030233s31a1e2f2v42b7b59eb6e20c90@mail.gmail.com> <4522742F.5000305@freebsd.org> <164903473.20061003214645@rulez.sk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg , stable@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:40:57 -0000 On 10/3/06, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > > Hello Nik, > > Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 4:31:11 PM, you wrote: > > > Alexandre Vieira wrote: > >> I was also told that http://www.serverpronto.com/ is freebsd friendly > and > >> extremely cheap. > > > Since this seems to have become a recommendation thread, I'm a happy > > customer of http://www.johncompanies.com/. They offer discounts to open > > source contributor's too. > > also layeredtech.com is pretty good. Props to layeredtech. -- Randi Harper ---------- FreeBSD Tsarina http://freebsdgirl.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 4 19:41:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1313B16A599; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:41:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDC543D58; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:41:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0A710E5E8; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:40:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LCwkQwHUiA2d; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:40:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id F222210E57B; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:40:55 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <160577232.20061004214055@rulez.sk> To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> <45221E91.8010505@401.cx> <755cb9fc0610030233s31a1e2f2v42b7b59eb6e20c90@mail.gmail.com> <4522742F.5000305@freebsd.org> <164903473.20061003214645__8271.53908689997$1159904873$gmane$org@rulez.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:41:24 -0000 Hello Ivan, Wednesday, October 4, 2006, 9:20:21 PM, you wrote: > Daniel Gerzo wrote: >> Hello Nik, >> >> Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 4:31:11 PM, you wrote: >> >>> Alexandre Vieira wrote: >>>> I was also told that http://www.serverpronto.com/ is freebsd friendly and >>>> extremely cheap. >> >>> Since this seems to have become a recommendation thread, I'm a happy >>> customer of http://www.johncompanies.com/. They offer discounts to open >>> source contributor's too. >> >> also layeredtech.com is pretty good. > Maybe these recommendations could find their way in the documentation or > on the site? http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 4 19:58:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947F316A403 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C417943D69 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:58:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.215]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J6M0035NNHS0H50@l-daemon> for advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J6M004NQNHRLOO0@pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hexahedron.daemonology.net ([24.82.18.31]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0J6M003NONHQSGI0@l-daemon> for advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 74848 invoked from network); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:58:38 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:58:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:58:38 -0700 From: Colin Percival In-reply-to: To: Randi Harper Message-id: <4524126E.60505@freebsd.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 References: <45215BA2.6040703@freebsd.org> <45218C61.1020609@sremick.net> <45221E91.8010505@401.cx> <755cb9fc0610030233s31a1e2f2v42b7b59eb6e20c90@mail.gmail.com> <4522742F.5000305@freebsd.org> <164903473.20061003214645@rulez.sk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060416) Cc: Daniel Gerzo , advocacy@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EV1 Servers makes me sick X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:58:45 -0000 Randi Harper wrote: > On 10/3/06, Daniel Gerzo wrote: >> also layeredtech.com is pretty good. > > Props to layeredtech. In the 20 months for which layeredtech has been providing free hosting for FreeBSD Update, one of the two Portsnap mirrors, and my personal website, I haven't had any complaints. Colin Percival