From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 8 19:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F19916A402 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (bantam.cisco.com [64.102.19.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A5343D53 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:26:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from rooster.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k48JQrU12485 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [64.102.192.234] (dhcp-64-102-192-234.cisco.com [64.102.192.234]) by rooster.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k48JQrm25873 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <445F9B85.3060907@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:27:01 -0400 From: Joe Marcus Clarke Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Fwd: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 19:26:55 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Forwarding to arch@ at brooks' suggestion. - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:50:10 -0400 From: Joe Marcus Clarke Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org I'm not sure if this is the best list for this, so if there is a better one, please let me know. jylefort and I have been working on porting HAL (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fhal) to FreeBSD. The port is working quite well. One of the things it wants to do is mount removable media such as CDs, USB sticks, etc. to mount points under /media. Some of us had discussed alternatives to /media (e.g. /mnt/media and ${PREFIX}/media), but these were ruled out. /mnt/media is bad since /mnt is reserved for temporary mounts. ${PREFIX}/media (i.e. /usr/local/media) just doesn't seem like an appropriate place for file system mount points. In fact, any other location other than /media will require a lot of additional work in HAL-dependent ports to get those ports to recognize HAL-controlled mounts on FreeBSD. To that end, I would like to add a /media to FreeBSD. I would like to add this to hier(7) as well as BSD.root.mtree. Would this be permissible? Thanks. Joe - -- Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEX5uFb2iPiv4Uz4cRArXiAJ9kXbtvgkzg/XYTLlaZ0dy+7JpcxgCffVoW u3fWVf4XgUh6B9r0GYY6G9o= =q8Uf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 8 22:04:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1185C16A401; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from a50.ironport.com (a50.ironport.com [63.251.108.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A7543D46; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:04:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from unknown (HELO [10.251.19.131]) ([10.251.19.131]) by a50.ironport.com with ESMTP; 08 May 2006 15:04:47 -0700 Message-ID: <445FC07E.6080702@elischer.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:04:46 -0700 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Marcus Clarke References: <445F9B85.3060907@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <445F9B85.3060907@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:04:48 -0000 Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Forwarding to arch@ at brooks' suggestion. > >- -------- Original Message -------- >Subject: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL >Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:50:10 -0400 >From: Joe Marcus Clarke >Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. >To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > >I'm not sure if this is the best list for this, so if there is a better >one, please let me know. > >jylefort and I have been working on porting HAL >(http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fhal) to FreeBSD. The port >is working quite well. One of the things it wants to do is mount >removable media such as CDs, USB sticks, etc. to mount points under >/media. Some of us had discussed alternatives to /media (e.g. >/mnt/media and ${PREFIX}/media), but these were ruled out. /mnt/media >is bad since /mnt is reserved for temporary mounts. ${PREFIX}/media >(i.e. /usr/local/media) just doesn't seem like an appropriate place for >file system mount points. In fact, any other location other than /media >will require a lot of additional work in HAL-dependent ports to get >those ports to recognize HAL-controlled mounts on FreeBSD. > >To that end, I would like to add a /media to FreeBSD. I would like to >add this to hier(7) as well as BSD.root.mtree. Would this be >permissible? Thanks. > > just doing a quick look around, I see that apple use /Volumes for this.. >Joe > > > >- -- >Joe Marcus Clarke >FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org >FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome >http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFEX5uFb2iPiv4Uz4cRArXiAJ9kXbtvgkzg/XYTLlaZ0dy+7JpcxgCffVoW >u3fWVf4XgUh6B9r0GYY6G9o= >=q8Uf >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 00:06:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B08416A400 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:06:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (creme-brulee.marcuscom.com [24.172.16.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B4943D49 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:06:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from shumai.marcuscom.com (shumai.marcuscom.com [192.168.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4906lQj031097; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:06:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Julian Elischer In-Reply-To: <445FC07E.6080702@elischer.org> References: <445F9B85.3060907@FreeBSD.org> <445FC07E.6080702@elischer.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-tBELenoDBm8/eNdNEi+z" Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:06:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1147133198.84119.18.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:06:46 -0000 --=-tBELenoDBm8/eNdNEi+z Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 15:04 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: >=20 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >Forwarding to arch@ at brooks' suggestion. > > > >- -------- Original Message -------- > >Subject: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL > >Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:50:10 -0400 > >From: Joe Marcus Clarke > >Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. > >To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > > > >I'm not sure if this is the best list for this, so if there is a better > >one, please let me know. > > > >jylefort and I have been working on porting HAL > >(http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fhal) to FreeBSD. The port > >is working quite well. One of the things it wants to do is mount > >removable media such as CDs, USB sticks, etc. to mount points under > >/media. Some of us had discussed alternatives to /media (e.g. > >/mnt/media and ${PREFIX}/media), but these were ruled out. /mnt/media > >is bad since /mnt is reserved for temporary mounts. ${PREFIX}/media > >(i.e. /usr/local/media) just doesn't seem like an appropriate place for > >file system mount points. In fact, any other location other than /media > >will require a lot of additional work in HAL-dependent ports to get > >those ports to recognize HAL-controlled mounts on FreeBSD. > > > >To that end, I would like to add a /media to FreeBSD. I would like to > >add this to hier(7) as well as BSD.root.mtree. Would this be > >permissible? Thanks. > > =20 > > >=20 > just doing a quick look around, I see that apple use /Volumes for this.. Yes. I've heard at least one objection to an uppercase directory name, but /Volumes or /volumes is certainly a possibility. Joe --=20 Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=-tBELenoDBm8/eNdNEi+z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEX90Ob2iPiv4Uz4cRAsmbAJ9C1Ff7N4jyQikRoVrpW5np7IGhKACfX3ME 4iE9T0MU2r5weTF7z3J6UH4= =vxEI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-tBELenoDBm8/eNdNEi+z-- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 00:21:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381C916A40E; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEC143D68; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:21:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k490La0P002678; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:21:36 -0700 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0/Submit) id k490LaJV002677; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:21:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:21:35 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Joe Marcus Clarke Message-ID: <20060509002135.GA317@odin.ac.hmc.edu> References: <445F9B85.3060907@FreeBSD.org> <445FC07E.6080702@elischer.org> <1147133198.84119.18.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1147133198.84119.18.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on odin.ac.hmc.edu Cc: Julian Elischer , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:21:47 -0000 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 08:06:38PM -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 15:04 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > > Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > >=20 > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >Forwarding to arch@ at brooks' suggestion. > > > > > >- -------- Original Message -------- > > >Subject: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL > > >Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:50:10 -0400 > > >From: Joe Marcus Clarke > > >Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. > > >To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > > > > > >I'm not sure if this is the best list for this, so if there is a better > > >one, please let me know. > > > > > >jylefort and I have been working on porting HAL > > >(http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fhal) to FreeBSD. The port > > >is working quite well. One of the things it wants to do is mount > > >removable media such as CDs, USB sticks, etc. to mount points under > > >/media. Some of us had discussed alternatives to /media (e.g. > > >/mnt/media and ${PREFIX}/media), but these were ruled out. /mnt/media > > >is bad since /mnt is reserved for temporary mounts. ${PREFIX}/media > > >(i.e. /usr/local/media) just doesn't seem like an appropriate place for > > >file system mount points. In fact, any other location other than /med= ia > > >will require a lot of additional work in HAL-dependent ports to get > > >those ports to recognize HAL-controlled mounts on FreeBSD. > > > > > >To that end, I would like to add a /media to FreeBSD. I would like to > > >add this to hier(7) as well as BSD.root.mtree. Would this be > > >permissible? Thanks. > > > =20 > > > > >=20 > > just doing a quick look around, I see that apple use /Volumes for this.. >=20 > Yes. I've heard at least one objection to an uppercase directory name, > but /Volumes or /volumes is certainly a possibility. IMO being the same modulo case would be a bad idea. Edit-distance one-bit seems a bit small. For that matter, this being largely a GUI thing, what Linux does is a heck of a lot more relevent than what MacOS does since we don't and realisticaly never will share a GUI with MacOS. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEX+COXY6L6fI4GtQRAvxOAJ4pDz/XXwD6WZmg/VCQcyi86ShVEACfTHgy 3somxe3oBYbQo5V6fejg2cM= =K829 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 00:33:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1841D16A430; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D599543D77; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:32:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.21] (rat.samsco.home [192.168.254.21]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k490Wm6f087407; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:32:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <445FE332.1070904@samsco.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:32:50 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Marcus Clarke References: <445F9B85.3060907@FreeBSD.org> <445FC07E.6080702@elischer.org> <1147133198.84119.18.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> In-Reply-To: <1147133198.84119.18.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: Julian Elischer , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:33:03 -0000 Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 15:04 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > >>Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: >> >> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>>Forwarding to arch@ at brooks' suggestion. >>> >>>- -------- Original Message -------- >>>Subject: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL >>>Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:50:10 -0400 >>>From: Joe Marcus Clarke >>>Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. >>>To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org >>> >>>I'm not sure if this is the best list for this, so if there is a better >>>one, please let me know. >>> >>>jylefort and I have been working on porting HAL >>>(http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fhal) to FreeBSD. The port >>>is working quite well. One of the things it wants to do is mount >>>removable media such as CDs, USB sticks, etc. to mount points under >>>/media. Some of us had discussed alternatives to /media (e.g. >>>/mnt/media and ${PREFIX}/media), but these were ruled out. /mnt/media >>>is bad since /mnt is reserved for temporary mounts. ${PREFIX}/media >>>(i.e. /usr/local/media) just doesn't seem like an appropriate place for >>>file system mount points. In fact, any other location other than /media >>>will require a lot of additional work in HAL-dependent ports to get >>>those ports to recognize HAL-controlled mounts on FreeBSD. >>> >>>To that end, I would like to add a /media to FreeBSD. I would like to >>>add this to hier(7) as well as BSD.root.mtree. Would this be >>>permissible? Thanks. >>> >>> >> >>just doing a quick look around, I see that apple use /Volumes for this.. > > > Yes. I've heard at least one objection to an uppercase directory name, > but /Volumes or /volumes is certainly a possibility. > > Joe > I personally object to directory names that are longer than 5 characters and shorter than 10 characters. I also object to the use of vowels, most constanants, and any ascii character value lower than 255. All directories should also default to mode 000 unless they are created under another directory, in which case they should be 0000. I'm sure that these are all perfectly reasonable objections that we can all agree to. Scott From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 15:06:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A050516A400; Tue, 9 May 2006 15:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@gargantuan.com) Received: from phoenix.gargantuan.com (srv01.lak.lwxdatacom.net [24.73.171.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B020143D6D; Tue, 9 May 2006 15:06:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael@gargantuan.com) Received: by phoenix.gargantuan.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9473C529; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:06:13 -0400 From: "Michael W. Oliver" To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20060509150613.GB646@gargantuan.com> References: <445F9B85.3060907@FreeBSD.org> <445FC07E.6080702@elischer.org> <1147133198.84119.18.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <445FE332.1070904@samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <445FE332.1070904@samsco.org> X-WWW-URL: http://michael.gargantuan.com X-GPG-PGP-Public-Key: http://michael.gargantuan.com/gnupg/pubkey.asc X-GPG-PGP-Fingerprint: 2694 0179 AE3F BFAE 0916 0BF5 B16B FBAB C5FA A3C9 X-Home-Phone: +1-863-816-8091 X-Mobile-Phone: +1-863-738-2334 X-Mailing-Address0: 8008 Apache Lane X-Mailing-Address1: Lakeland, FL X-Mailing-Address2: 33810-2172 X-Mailing-Address3: United States of America X-Guide-Questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html X-Guide-Netiquette: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r774 (FreeBSD) Cc: Joe Marcus Clarke , Julian Elischer , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:06:26 -0000 --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2006-05-08T18:32:50-0600, Scott Long wrote: > Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: >> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 15:04 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: >>> Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>> /mnt/media and ${PREFIX}/media), but these were ruled out. /mnt/media >>>> is bad since /mnt is reserved for temporary mounts. ${PREFIX}/media >>>> (i.e. /usr/local/media) just doesn't seem like an appropriate place for >>>> file system mount points. In fact, any other location other than /med= ia >>>> will require a lot of additional work in HAL-dependent ports to get ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>> those ports to recognize HAL-controlled mounts on FreeBSD. >>> >>> just doing a quick look around, I see that apple use /Volumes for this.. >> >> Yes. I've heard at least one objection to an uppercase directory name, >> but /Volumes or /volumes is certainly a possibility. > > I personally object to directory names that are longer than 5 characters > and shorter than 10 characters. I also object to the use of vowels, > most constanants, and any ascii character value lower than 255. All > directories should also default to mode 000 unless they are created > under another directory, in which case they should be 0000. I'm sure > that these are all perfectly reasonable objections that we can all agree > to. Bravo Scott, bravo! You have (hopefully) crushed this bikeshed early in it's life. See my emphasis above as to why my vote (as if _I_ would really have one...) would be for /media. There is no pre-existing /media, so you would think that adding it wouldn't break anything, and God knows that the developers could spend their time on more meaningful work than maintaining deltas for all dependencies for something as silly as a change from /media to /foo. Thanks FreeBSD developers, from a very appreciative consumer of your work. --=20 Mike Oliver, KI4OFU [see complete headers for contact information] --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEYK/lsWv7q8X6o8kRAvGxAKCEQ9IswMFWEtvy91FU/+GqSYaPLwCfVz63 VnCOI7ncxD+sEBTmXIjYHpU= =5V5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz-- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 16:44:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A217716A547; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mrout3.yahoo.com (mrout3.yahoo.com [216.145.54.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B2A43D5D; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:44:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from minion.local.neville-neil.com (proxy7.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.48.98]) by mrout3.yahoo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4/y.out) with ESMTP id k49Ggiqn011079; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:37:41 +0900 Message-ID: From: gnn@freebsd.org To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <445FE332.1070904@samsco.org> References: <445F9B85.3060907@FreeBSD.org> <445FC07E.6080702@elischer.org> <1147133198.84119.18.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <445FE332.1070904@samsco.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.50 (i386-apple-darwin8.5.1) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Joe Marcus Clarke , Julian Elischer , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:44:07 -0000 At Mon, 08 May 2006 18:32:50 -0600, Scott Long wrote: > I personally object to directory names that are longer than 5 > characters and shorter than 10 characters. I also object to the use > of vowels, most constanants, and any ascii character value lower > than 255. All directories should also default to mode 000 unless > they are created under another directory, in which case they should > be 0000. I'm sure that these are all perfectly reasonable > objections that we can all agree to. Er, you left of the smiley face ;-) Being a MacOS user as well I think /Volumes is fine, but if someone knows what Linux uses that might be fine as well and I'm also happy with /media. Later, George From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 17:12:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11FD16A4FF; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2560243D60; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:12:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [10.10.3.185] ([69.15.205.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k49HCQ6b093197; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <4460CD73.2050200@samsco.org> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:12:19 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnn@freebsd.org References: <445F9B85.3060907@FreeBSD.org> <445FC07E.6080702@elischer.org> <1147133198.84119.18.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <445FE332.1070904@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: Joe Marcus Clarke , Julian Elischer , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:12:32 -0000 gnn@freebsd.org wrote: > At Mon, 08 May 2006 18:32:50 -0600, > Scott Long wrote: > >>I personally object to directory names that are longer than 5 >>characters and shorter than 10 characters. I also object to the use >>of vowels, most constanants, and any ascii character value lower >>than 255. All directories should also default to mode 000 unless >>they are created under another directory, in which case they should >>be 0000. I'm sure that these are all perfectly reasonable >>objections that we can all agree to. > > > Er, you left of the smiley face ;-) > > Being a MacOS user as well I think /Volumes is fine, but if someone > knows what Linux uses that might be fine as well and I'm also happy > with /media. > > Later, > George I personally object to your demand of the use of the so-called 'smiley face'. Email should be dry, witless, harsh, and without any useful content. Oh wait, the release cycle is over.... never mind =-) Scott From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 17:22:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066FA16A609 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:22:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maxim@macomnet.ru) Received: from mp2.macomnet.net (mp2.macomnet.net [195.128.64.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB0343D70 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:22:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from maxim@macomnet.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp2.macomnet.net (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k49HMhIu024957; Tue, 9 May 2006 21:22:43 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from maxim@macomnet.ru) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:22:43 +0400 (MSD) From: Maxim Konovalov To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <4460CD73.2050200@samsco.org> Message-ID: <20060509212206.T52319@mp2.macomnet.net> References: <445F9B85.3060907@FreeBSD.org> <445FC07E.6080702@elischer.org> <1147133198.84119.18.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <445FE332.1070904@samsco.org> <4460CD73.2050200@samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Adding hier/mtree support for HAL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:22:53 -0000 On Tue, 9 May 2006, 11:12-0600, Scott Long wrote: > gnn@freebsd.org wrote: > > At Mon, 08 May 2006 18:32:50 -0600, > > Scott Long wrote: > > > > >I personally object to directory names that are longer than 5 > > >characters and shorter than 10 characters. I also object to the use > > >of vowels, most constanants, and any ascii character value lower > > >than 255. All directories should also default to mode 000 unless > > >they are created under another directory, in which case they should > > >be 0000. I'm sure that these are all perfectly reasonable > > >objections that we can all agree to. > > > > > > Er, you left of the smiley face ;-) > > > > Being a MacOS user as well I think /Volumes is fine, but if someone > > knows what Linux uses that might be fine as well and I'm also happy > > with /media. > > > > Later, > > George > > I personally object to your demand of the use of the so-called 'smiley > face'. 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User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: arch@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:49:03 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Since the overall consensus is to add a root directory called /media to accommodate removable media mount points (e.g. those managed by HAL), I have drawn up the following patch. Since I am a ports/doc committer, could a src committer approve this patch so that I can commit it? Thanks. http://www.marcuscom.com/downloads/media.diff Joe - -- Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEYPI2b2iPiv4Uz4cRApOrAJ9uhJ+Iws8fxEm0b+YgzWipjI4UfgCfU4db IJuBLTb3dRJT/+d8dvd4sfs= =TIx2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 23:23:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4F216A400 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:23:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lioux@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vette.gigo.com (vette.gigo.com [216.218.228.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BDE43D45 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:23:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lioux@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 201.34.229.158 (201-34-229-158.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [201.34.229.158]) by vette.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3689754A4 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 54428 invoked by uid 1001); 9 May 2006 20:18:48 -0300 Message-ID: <20060509231911.54375.qmail@exxodus.fedaykin.here> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:18:48 -0300 From: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira To: Robert Watson References: <20060505033749.76815.qmail@exxodus.fedaykin.here> <20060505192943.Q17611@fledge.watson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060505192943.Q17611@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC {get,set}socktopt SO_DONTFRAGMENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:23:17 -0000 On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 07:30:14PM +0100, Robert Watson wrote: > Delivered-To: lioux-freebsd@localhost > Delivered-To: lioux@freebsd.org > X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org > Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org > Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:30:37 +0100 (BST) > From: Robert Watson > X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org > To: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira > In-Reply-To: <20060505033749.76815.qmail@exxodus.fedaykin.here> > Cc: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: RFC {get,set}socktopt SO_DONTFRAGMENT > X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > Precedence: list > Errors-To: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org > > On Fri, 5 May 2006, Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira wrote: > > > I would like to propose a new socket option: SO_DONTFRAGMENT on the > >lines of IP_DONTFRAG. > > I'm confused. Why not just use the IP_DONTFRAG socket option? I must be > missing something pretty basic here. :-) I was thinking of a blanket option that would cover anything a socket could have instead of having options inside "every" single place. Of couse, IP_DONTFRAG applies very well in most situations. However, I don't think that SO_DONTFRAGMENT would be a replacement but rather a more "generic" option. Well, I could just be missing something and saying something naive. :) So I apologize if I am missing something obvious. Regards, -- Mario S F Ferreira - DF - Brazil - "I guess this is a signature." feature, n: a documented bug | bug, n: an undocumented feature From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 23:53:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9D616A40A for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from mail07.powweb.com (mail07.powweb.com [66.152.97.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E8143D45 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:53:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vixen42.vulpes (24-119-225-24.cpe.cableone.net [24.119.225.24]) by mail07.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBAF14E027 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:53:44 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060509185344.47f2c6ec@vixen42.vulpes> In-Reply-To: <4460F236.2080802@FreeBSD.org> References: <4460F236.2080802@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.1.1 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:53:07 -0000 On Tue, 09 May 2006 15:49:10 -0400 Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > Since the overall consensus is to add a root directory > called /media to accommodate removable media mount points (e.g. > those managed by HAL), I have drawn up the following patch. Since > I am a ports/doc committer, could a src committer approve this > patch so that I can commit it? Thanks. > > http://www.marcuscom.com/downloads/media.diff Probally a silly question, but I though /mnt was for stuff like this? From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 23:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495A116A421 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from flz@xbsd.org) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org (xbsd.org [82.233.2.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A99D43D62 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:59:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@xbsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C3711653; Wed, 10 May 2006 01:59:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv1.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 88052-10; Wed, 10 May 2006 01:59:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cream.stl.xbsd.org (unknown [193.120.13.130]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02011143B; Wed, 10 May 2006 01:59:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Florent Thoumie To: Vulpes Velox In-Reply-To: <20060509185344.47f2c6ec@vixen42.vulpes> References: <4460F236.2080802@FreeBSD.org> <20060509185344.47f2c6ec@vixen42.vulpes> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-BPFr5EVn3RKoXxnznevo" Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:58:56 +0200 Message-Id: <1147215536.29638.17.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xbsd.org Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:59:48 -0000 --=-BPFr5EVn3RKoXxnznevo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 18:53 -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote: > On Tue, 09 May 2006 15:49:10 -0400 > Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: >=20 > > Since the overall consensus is to add a root directory > > called /media to accommodate removable media mount points (e.g. > > those managed by HAL), I have drawn up the following patch. Since > > I am a ports/doc committer, could a src committer approve this > > patch so that I can commit it? Thanks. > >=20 > > http://www.marcuscom.com/downloads/media.diff >=20 > Probally a silly question, but I though /mnt was for stuff like this? See hier(7). --=20 Florent Thoumie flz@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Committer --=-BPFr5EVn3RKoXxnznevo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEYR6wMxEkbVFH3PQRAhluAJ9ondg0g0KjxM3Pqqh++G27TG/PxQCff/6I PPrSidRfOV24hBkJZwzTPSs= =9K7E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-BPFr5EVn3RKoXxnznevo-- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 01:23:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF9B16A401; Wed, 10 May 2006 01:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mux@freebsd.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDDD43D46; Wed, 10 May 2006 01:23:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mux@freebsd.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1920) id 267B71A4DAF; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:23:01 +0200 From: Maxime Henrion To: Joe Marcus Clarke Message-ID: <20060510012300.GE2293@elvis.mu.org> References: <4460F236.2080802@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4460F236.2080802@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:23:01 -0000 Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > > Since the overall consensus is to add a root directory called /media to > accommodate removable media mount points (e.g. those managed by HAL), I > have drawn up the following patch. Since I am a ports/doc committer, > could a src committer approve this patch so that I can commit it? Thanks. > > http://www.marcuscom.com/downloads/media.diff Even though I'm quite reluctant to add root directories in general, this one sounds like a sane idea. The name is generic enough to my taste, so we can hope we're not going to need to add other directories for that purpose. Besides, anything that can help us catch up a bit on the HAL side is good in my opinion. So, this looks good to me. Cheers, Maxime From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 01:38:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9291716A423 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 01:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from needacoder@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642F543D49 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 01:38:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from needacoder@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o25so1300620nfa for ; Tue, 09 May 2006 18:38:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=cpRjgece/Co1730LxC8ejlsCrH9xfO4dlI9vnKtVW2Dle0owqIXY3L75450Lyx/Ac76m7SRr4ywnYLO+72aveC4Svlxr6Kb1PoPJXzmm9OqkOsckqRSzlsHThp202NbOk/L5GP6oVSyEBFMVTj6Mv/zDNUFvomsyfYUnEPyVZPs= Received: by 10.48.245.11 with SMTP id s11mr85673nfh; Tue, 09 May 2006 18:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.75.2 with HTTP; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:38:35 -0400 From: "m m" To: "Joe Marcus Clarke" , arch@freebsd.org, "Maxime Henrion" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:38:38 -0000 >> Since the overall consensus is to add a root directory called /media to >> accommodate removable media mount points (e.g. those managed by HAL), I >> have drawn up the following patch. Since I am a ports/doc committer, >> could a src committer approve this patch so that I can commit it? Thanks. >> >> http://www.marcuscom.com/downloads/media.diff > > Even though I'm quite reluctant to add root directories in general, > this one sounds like a sane idea. The name is generic enough to > my taste, so we can hope we're not going to need to add other > directories for that purpose. Besides, anything that can help us > catch up a bit on the HAL side is good in my opinion. So, this > looks good to me. My understanding is that such a directory already exists - /mnt At least this is what "man hier" says about it: /mnt/ empty directory commonly used by system administrators as a temporary mount point is "temporary" somehow different from "removable" in this case? From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 03:09:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB5116A400; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (creme-brulee.marcuscom.com [24.172.16.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A060D43D46; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:09:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from shumai.marcuscom.com (shumai.marcuscom.com [192.168.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A3A3XQ046579; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:10:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: m m In-Reply-To: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-xEgNw4N4KPG3gS0vOFOI" Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:09:49 -0400 Message-Id: <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: Maxime Henrion , arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:09:55 -0000 --=-xEgNw4N4KPG3gS0vOFOI Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 21:38 -0400, m m wrote: > >> Since the overall consensus is to add a root directory > called /media to > >> accommodate removable media mount points (e.g. those managed by > HAL), I > >> have drawn up the following patch. Since I am a ports/doc > committer,=20 > >> could a src committer approve this patch so that I can commit it? > Thanks. > >> > >> http://www.marcuscom.com/downloads/media.diff > > > > Even though I'm quite reluctant to add root directories in general, > > this one sounds like a sane idea. The name is generic enough to > > my taste, so we can hope we're not going to need to add other=20 > > directories for that purpose. Besides, anything that can help us > > catch up a bit on the HAL side is good in my opinion. So, this > > looks good to me. >=20 > My understanding is that such a directory already exists - /mnt=20 > At least this is what "man hier" says about it: > /mnt/ empty directory commonly used by system administrators > as a temporary mount point > is "temporary" somehow different from "removable" in this case?=20 /mnt is designed to hold one mount point temporarily (e.g. I want to mount an NFS file system to test NFS, or to get at a file quickly). /media differs in that it is a directory to hold multiple mount points. Say I insert a CD, floppy, and USB drive. All would be mounted under /media in directories like /media/floppy, /media/disk, and /media/VOLUME (where VOLUME is the label on the CD). Joe --=20 Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=-xEgNw4N4KPG3gS0vOFOI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEYVl9b2iPiv4Uz4cRAk0FAJ9IGr16pBxD48L3TbSR0knZhyFlewCdE+IU FVS6W/5n4ueHYzDiXGrE66k= =e029 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-xEgNw4N4KPG3gS0vOFOI-- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 03:17:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A1416A401; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from tinker.exit.com (tinker.exit.com [206.223.0.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B6C43D48; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:17:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from realtime.exit.com (realtime [206.223.0.5]) by tinker.exit.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4A3HpPe000912; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:17:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from realtime.exit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by realtime.exit.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A3HoH8043348; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by realtime.exit.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k4A3Hosg043347; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) X-Authentication-Warning: realtime.exit.com: frank set sender to frank@exit.com using -f From: Frank Mayhar To: Joe Marcus Clarke In-Reply-To: <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Exit Consulting Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:17:50 -0700 Message-Id: <1147231070.40623.7.camel@realtime.exit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1452/Tue May 9 02:14:00 2006 on tinker.exit.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: arch@freebsd.org, m m Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: frank@exit.com List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:17:52 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 23:09 -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > /mnt is designed to hold one mount point temporarily (e.g. I want to > mount an NFS file system to test NFS, or to get at a file > quickly). /media differs in that it is a directory to hold multiple > mount points. Say I insert a CD, floppy, and USB drive. All would be > mounted under /media in directories like /media/floppy, /media/disk, > and /media/VOLUME (where VOLUME is the label on the CD). Makes sense, although I am a tad disconcerted, having already a /media on one of my machines. One for multimedia content. Oh, well, I guess I can call it "mmedia." Hopefully it won't take too long for me to retrain my fingers. :-S -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 04:55:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5F416A402 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 04:55:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from needacoder@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E691E43D49 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 04:55:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from needacoder@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o25so1315145nfa for ; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:55:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NgBitUsPiJeGju2tyk2I5r0OV4DYIN7iyQaS4ab9U9dckmrXTTy7LJ4gRuoRWXRGCBM31DOZiG+SQC726ifrTT4GTiHnEtoEc9w+8jWKqWsKxdYhia3Qp0cjfGkgo7g/LkkxUdP0/YMTKhdTVRSaK2SLxnM23Iapx34lImavfjI= Received: by 10.49.7.1 with SMTP id k1mr149133nfi; Tue, 09 May 2006 20:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.75.2 with HTTP; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1e4841eb0605092016r701e9bb3uc3e02dbd3e0ebf6a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:16:20 -0400 From: "m m" To: "Joe Marcus Clarke" In-Reply-To: <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 04:55:02 -0000 On 5/9/06, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > > /mnt is designed to hold one mount point temporarily (e.g. I want to > mount an NFS file system to test NFS, or to get at a file > quickly). /media differs in that it is a directory to hold multiple > mount points. Say I insert a CD, floppy, and USB drive. All would be > mounted under /media in directories like /media/floppy, /media/disk, > and /media/VOLUME (where VOLUME is the label on the CD). > Thanks - that does clear it up, however... It seems less intrusive (/ already has too much in there) and in my opinion better name match to use /mnt/temp for "temporary mount" and /mnt/floppy and /mnt/disk and /mnt/VOLUME, etc for "other" mount points... Since you're changing things anyway, this seems like a better choice - plus it has the benefit of being "backward compatible" without introducing more / directories. From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 05:09:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E3F16A400; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (creme-brulee.marcuscom.com [24.172.16.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E2D43D5F; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:09:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from shumai.marcuscom.com (shumai.marcuscom.com [192.168.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A59FeL047495; Wed, 10 May 2006 01:09:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: m m In-Reply-To: <1e4841eb0605092016r701e9bb3uc3e02dbd3e0ebf6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <1e4841eb0605092016r701e9bb3uc3e02dbd3e0ebf6a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-47wmZ7d4CM/jAKR1/qPL" Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:09:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1147237741.45319.50.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: Maxime Henrion , arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 05:09:09 -0000 --=-47wmZ7d4CM/jAKR1/qPL Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 23:16 -0400, m m wrote: > On 5/9/06, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > /mnt is designed to hold one mount point temporarily (e.g. I > want to > mount an NFS file system to test NFS, or to get at a file > quickly). /media differs in that it is a directory to hold > multiple > mount points. Say I insert a CD, floppy, and USB drive. All > would be=20 > mounted under /media in directories > like /media/floppy, /media/disk, > and /media/VOLUME (where VOLUME is the label on the CD). >=20 > Thanks - that does clear it up, however... It seems less intrusive > (/ already has too much in there) and in my opinion better name match > to use=20 > /mnt/temp for "temporary mount" and /mnt/floppy and /mnt/disk > and /mnt/VOLUME, etc for "other" mount points... Since you're > changing things anyway, this seems like a better choice - plus it has > the benefit of being "backward compatible" without introducing more / > directories.=20 It's not backwards compatible if system administrators are already using it as a mount point itself. In that case we're trying to create mount points within a mounted file system. Plus, one of the big things adding /media is will help is HAL support on FreeBSD. If we picked another name, this would mean additional FreeBSD-specific hacks on ports that expect removable media mounts to exist under /media. Joe --=20 Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=-47wmZ7d4CM/jAKR1/qPL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEYXVtb2iPiv4Uz4cRApihAJ9FfXL0cN+BW4l8hyTKiBcBr+lr3wCfYBv6 PIADjVFqwBe/aM/U+D761kM= =lAq4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-47wmZ7d4CM/jAKR1/qPL-- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 10:00:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D54316A402; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp3.server.rpi.edu (smtp3.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11C643D45; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:00:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k4AA0hwq025682; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:00:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1e4841eb0605092016r701e9bb3uc3e02dbd3e0ebf6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <1e4841eb0605092016r701e9bb3uc3e02dbd3e0ebf6a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 06:00:42 -0400 To: "m m" , Joe Marcus Clarke From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.3 Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:00:47 -0000 At 11:16 PM -0400 5/9/06, m m wrote: > > ... and in my opinion better name match to use /mnt/temp >for "temporary mount" and /mnt/floppy and /mnt/disk and >/mnt/VOLUME, etc for "other" mount points... This would have worked FreeBSD had described /mnt in that manner sometime long ago. Right now that would be a major disruptive change. Just imagine what happens to all those people (and ports!) which are using /mnt in the way it has been documented for all these years. They'll be mounting and unmounting things at /mnt, and the system will be auto-mounting and auto-unmounting things at /mnt/whatever. Sounds like a nightmare to me. I think /media is probably as good a name as we're going to come up with. If I understand this correctly, that is the name which is used by HAL-ish things on some other unixes (although not MacOS 10, but IMO that is okay. As a MacOS 10 user, I know it'd be pretty easy to for me to create a symlink from /media -> /Volumes). disclaimer: I haven't looked at the patch to say whether *it* is correct, but the name for the directory seems OK. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = drosehn@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 12:58:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA0C16A427 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnsanchez@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC58E43D72 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:57:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rnsanchez@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m51so717517pye for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:57:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kyev8WY8IVnTL//XDZwLmd4EqteK26VzfTm0Fi5CDnzetdLi1RlgtR83z1xvQgdtPwz98RP4ML1qHdd/QzmPA6RcdMNBocErgxGJkjYG6V+633BWFht7X61+IVdwfZFhCOXPaSKjjkssPhN+g646Bjp0wNnNuRTTmrMNyKgYHyI= Received: by 10.35.99.14 with SMTP id b14mr1129790pym; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.115.7 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52b3de6f0605100557u792b74b8i75bf1a01fd868d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:57:55 -0300 From: "Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez" To: "Joe Marcus Clarke" In-Reply-To: <1147237741.45319.50.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <1e4841eb0605092016r701e9bb3uc3e02dbd3e0ebf6a@mail.gmail.com> <1147237741.45319.50.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Cc: arch@freebsd.org, m m Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:58:08 -0000 On 5/10/06, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > It's not backwards compatible if system administrators are already using > it as a mount point itself. In that case we're trying to create mount > points within a mounted file system. Plus, one of the big things > adding /media is will help is HAL support on FreeBSD. If we picked > another name, this would mean additional FreeBSD-specific hacks on ports > that expect removable media mounts to exist under /media. I don't have strong reasons to object against /media, I just think that this covers applications' errors assuming /media exists and contains removable media mount points. Or, more specifically, HAL's assumption of /media, instead of accepting some configuration parameter telling where it should look for removable-media mount points. Personally I'd mount removable media under /mnt (as I always did) and change HAL to accept configuration like this, specifying where it should look for instead of assuming /media. Perhaps this affects less users. -- Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez GNU/Linux #140696 [http://counter.li.org] Slackware Linux + FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 13:03:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F33516A411; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from flz@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org (xbsd.org [82.233.2.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C197143D68; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:03:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C968C11653; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:03:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv1.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07264-02; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:03:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mayday.esat.net (mayday.esat.net [193.95.134.156]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4243C115F7; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:03:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Florent Thoumie To: Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez In-Reply-To: <52b3de6f0605100557u792b74b8i75bf1a01fd868d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <1e4841eb0605092016r701e9bb3uc3e02dbd3e0ebf6a@mail.gmail.com> <1147237741.45319.50.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <52b3de6f0605100557u792b74b8i75bf1a01fd868d7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-saymLjU5qlcF3B1g7kML" Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:03:03 +0100 Message-Id: <1147266183.27229.2.camel@mayday.esat.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xbsd.org Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Joe Marcus Clarke , m m Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:03:32 -0000 --=-saymLjU5qlcF3B1g7kML Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 09:57 -0300, Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez wrote: > On 5/10/06, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > > It's not backwards compatible if system administrators are already usin= g > > it as a mount point itself. In that case we're trying to create mount > > points within a mounted file system. Plus, one of the big things > > adding /media is will help is HAL support on FreeBSD. If we picked > > another name, this would mean additional FreeBSD-specific hacks on port= s > > that expect removable media mounts to exist under /media. >=20 > I don't have strong reasons to object against /media, I just think > that this covers applications' errors assuming /media exists and > contains removable media mount points. Or, more specifically, HAL's > assumption of /media, instead of accepting some configuration > parameter telling where it should look for removable-media mount > points. >=20 > Personally I'd mount removable media under /mnt (as I always did) and > change HAL to accept configuration like this, specifying where it > should look for instead of assuming /media. Perhaps this affects less > users. /mnt is meant to be used as a mount point, /media will be a directory containing mount points. The main idea behind using /media is to reduce the porting efforts, read Marcus' posts. PS: This really is bikeshedding. --=20 Florent Thoumie flz@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Committer --=-saymLjU5qlcF3B1g7kML Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEYeSGMxEkbVFH3PQRAiEBAJwL+Rb426D2mg4TwyoXjHlThm+vPACfYYXw a2WYzlUxQWJLx4dKxBx2m8E= =aAUz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-saymLjU5qlcF3B1g7kML-- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 13:10:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7068E16A481 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnsanchez@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C913343D55 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:10:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rnsanchez@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m51so720768pye for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:10:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VcmkYPNegZSLRuOn0Q0GNRoYcCYPfWkhgQXy+AbwjRGG4hHYoNlK9NJHWiQA86cVEOIAz8nESbuVH+GDpF/BlcIUN3xioxp6gNj07/ECbe25YSvUcoF9dRTh2gUFm0Dcyt3PfVkgQ1SuxE9Yr6RsqYj5PJ0EP73f6wUrzHhXFq4= Received: by 10.35.43.10 with SMTP id v10mr3155507pyj; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.115.7 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52b3de6f0605100610m76d1f63pff216ee866837459@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:10:22 -0300 From: "Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez" To: "Florent Thoumie" In-Reply-To: <1147266183.27229.2.camel@mayday.esat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <1e4841eb0605092016r701e9bb3uc3e02dbd3e0ebf6a@mail.gmail.com> <1147237741.45319.50.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <52b3de6f0605100557u792b74b8i75bf1a01fd868d7@mail.gmail.com> <1147266183.27229.2.camel@mayday.esat.net> Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Joe Marcus Clarke , m m Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:10:33 -0000 On 5/10/06, Florent Thoumie wrote: > The main idea behind using /media is to reduce the porting efforts, read > Marcus' posts. > > PS: This really is bikeshedding. I completely agree -- that's why (I wrote that) I don't have strong objections. I may be misusing /mnt for ages. :) -- Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez GNU/Linux #140696 [http://counter.li.org] Slackware Linux + FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 19:23:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C80616A45E; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mrout3.yahoo.com (mrout3.yahoo.com [216.145.54.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7E143D6B; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:23:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from minion.lan.neville-neil.com (proxy8.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.48.13]) by mrout3.yahoo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4/y.out) with ESMTP id k4AJLg4x012936; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:21:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: gnn@freebsd.org To: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira In-Reply-To: <20060509231911.54375.qmail@exxodus.fedaykin.here> References: <20060505033749.76815.qmail@exxodus.fedaykin.here> <20060505192943.Q17611@fledge.watson.org> <20060509231911.54375.qmail@exxodus.fedaykin.here> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.50 (i386-apple-darwin8.5.1) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Robert Watson , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC {get,set}socktopt SO_DONTFRAGMENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:23:25 -0000 At Tue, 9 May 2006 20:18:48 -0300, Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira wrote: > I was thinking of a blanket option that would cover anything > a socket could have instead of having options inside "every" single > place. > > Of couse, IP_DONTFRAG applies very well in most situations. > However, I don't think that SO_DONTFRAGMENT would be a replacement > but rather a more "generic" option. > > Well, I could just be missing something and saying something > naive. :) So I apologize if I am missing something obvious. > No apology necessary. I think that a generic option would be too misleading. Those who want to say "Don't Fragment" usually are specialists and we dont' want people accidentally pessimizing their applications by setting this when they don't mean to. Best, George From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 11 03:26:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5FE16A405; Thu, 11 May 2006 03:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gordon@tetlows.org) Received: from spiff.melthusia.org (spiff.melthusia.org [207.67.244.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE95743D70; Thu, 11 May 2006 03:26:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gordon@tetlows.org) Received: from [192.168.1.51] (cpe-66-91-238-221.san.res.rr.com [66.91.238.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by spiff.melthusia.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4B3Q1iR081449; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gordon@tetlows.org) Message-ID: <4462AED2.1040606@tetlows.org> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:26:10 -0700 From: Gordon Tetlow User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Marcus Clarke References: <4460F236.2080802@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4460F236.2080802@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 03:26:07 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > Since the overall consensus is to add a root directory called > /media to accommodate removable media mount points (e.g. those > managed by HAL), I have drawn up the following patch. Since I am a > ports/doc committer, could a src committer approve this patch so > that I can commit it? Thanks. > > http://www.marcuscom.com/downloads/media.diff Looks good. Assuming you have tested it sufficiently (fresh population of a DESTDIR). You might want to think of creating a patch for mergemaster(8) to handle the upgrade case. Approved by: gordon@ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEYq7SRu2t9DV9ZfsRAkjeAJ9qJuY2OM0SFluskYIPs7cqclgnfQCeO8lr GZwypngyTAV87nPKuP071mY= =fTYe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 11 20:14:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE0316A655; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pittgoth.com (ns1.pittgoth.com [216.38.206.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F27044532; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:33:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([137.122.39.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4BKaEMC080299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 11 May 2006 16:36:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:33:06 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez" Message-Id: <20060511153306.791b6170.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <52b3de6f0605100610m76d1f63pff216ee866837459@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> <1147230589.45319.33.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <1e4841eb0605092016r701e9bb3uc3e02dbd3e0ebf6a@mail.gmail.com> <1147237741.45319.50.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <52b3de6f0605100557u792b74b8i75bf1a01fd868d7@mail.gmail.com> <1147266183.27229.2.camel@mayday.esat.net> <52b3de6f0605100610m76d1f63pff216ee866837459@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org, marcus@FreeBSD.org, flz@FreeBSD.org, needacoder@gmail.com Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:15:20 -0000 On Wed, 10 May 2006 10:10:22 -0300 "Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez" wrote: > On 5/10/06, Florent Thoumie wrote: > > The main idea behind using /media is to reduce the porting efforts, read > > Marcus' posts. > > > > PS: This really is bikeshedding. > > I completely agree -- that's why (I wrote that) I don't have strong > objections. I may be misusing /mnt for ages. :) We should just change the wording everywhere to "/mnt is there so users can create directories underneath. These directories may then be used as mount points for various devices." -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 02:24:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B52216A40F; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F164428C; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:24:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4C2OEYC047843; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:24:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:24:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> <52b3de6f0605100610m76d1f63pff216ee866837459@mail.gmail.com> <20060511153306.791b6170.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20060511153306.791b6170.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605112224.18042.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1459/Thu May 11 16:46:49 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Tom Rhodes , flz@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org, marcus@freebsd.org, Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez , needacoder@gmail.com Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 02:24:18 -0000 On Thursday 11 May 2006 15:33, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2006 10:10:22 -0300 > > "Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez" wrote: > > On 5/10/06, Florent Thoumie wrote: > > > The main idea behind using /media is to reduce the porting efforts, > > > read Marcus' posts. > > > > > > PS: This really is bikeshedding. > > > > I completely agree -- that's why (I wrote that) I don't have strong > > objections. I may be misusing /mnt for ages. :) > > We should just change the wording everywhere to "/mnt is there > so users can create directories underneath. These directories > may then be used as mount points for various devices." It's not just changing the text, but behavior that has been hard-wired into FreeBSD users all over the planet for the past N years. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 02:24:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B52216A40F; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F164428C; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:24:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4C2OEYC047843; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:24:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:24:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <1e4841eb0605091838u39a46dfw81cc9f452d9722b6@mail.gmail.com> <52b3de6f0605100610m76d1f63pff216ee866837459@mail.gmail.com> <20060511153306.791b6170.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20060511153306.791b6170.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605112224.18042.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1459/Thu May 11 16:46:49 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Tom Rhodes , flz@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org, marcus@freebsd.org, Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez , needacoder@gmail.com Subject: Re: Patch for adding /media to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 02:24:18 -0000 On Thursday 11 May 2006 15:33, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2006 10:10:22 -0300 > > "Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez" wrote: > > On 5/10/06, Florent Thoumie wrote: > > > The main idea behind using /media is to reduce the porting efforts, > > > read Marcus' posts. > > > > > > PS: This really is bikeshedding. > > > > I completely agree -- that's why (I wrote that) I don't have strong > > objections. I may be misusing /mnt for ages. :) > > We should just change the wording everywhere to "/mnt is there > so users can create directories underneath. These directories > may then be used as mount points for various devices." It's not just changing the text, but behavior that has been hard-wired into FreeBSD users all over the planet for the past N years. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 15:24:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DD816A4DD for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C241E43D6B for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:24:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gothmog.pc (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.6/8.13.6/Debian-1) with ESMTP id k4CFO9o8031374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:24:11 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CFQLv4025995 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:26:21 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k4CFQLg7025994 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:26:21 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:26:21 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20060512152621.GC25843@gothmog.pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.964, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.43, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Subject: [docs/96207: Comments of a sockaddr_un structure could confuse one] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:24:38 -0000 This is not an `architectural' change per se, but I believe the subscribers of this list will be more experienced to answer to the following PR. What do you all think about it? ----- Forwarded message from Rostislav Krasny ----- Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:41:45 GMT From: Rostislav Krasny Subject: docs/96207: Comments of a sockaddr_un structure could confuse one To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org >Number: 96207 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Comments of a sockaddr_un structure could confuse one >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Apr 23 15:50:14 GMT 2006 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rostislav Krasny >Release: 6.1-RC >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD saturn.lan 6.1-RC FreeBSD 6.1-RC #0: Sun Apr 23 15:36:02 IDT 2006 root@saturn.lan:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 >Description: In RELENG_6 (and others) a sys/un.h has following definitions: /* * Definitions for UNIX IPC domain. */ struct sockaddr_un { unsigned char sun_len; /* sockaddr len including null */ sa_family_t sun_family; /* AF_UNIX */ char sun_path[104]; /* path name (gag) */ }; /* actual length of an initialized sockaddr_un */ #define SUN_LEN(su) \ (sizeof(*(su)) - sizeof((su)->sun_path) + strlen((su)->sun_path)) Comments of the sockaddr_un definition, together with the SUN_LEN(su) definition, could confuse one. For example my first thought was that there is a bug in the SUN_LEN(su) definition. About 9 years ago the same confusion happened in the NetBSD project. Read a "SUN_LEN() definition change" thread: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-kern/1997/02/ and commit logs of revisions 1.14 and 1.15: http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/sys/un.h Back to FreeBSD, I think the "/* sockaddr len including null */" should be changed to "/* sockaddr_un len without NUL */" and the "/* path name (gag) */" should be changed to "/* NUL-terminated path name */". The unix(4) manual page already gives the right information about that. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Already in the description >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 13 13:30:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C419A16A40A; Sat, 13 May 2006 13:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rink@rink.nu) Received: from mx0.rink.nu (morion.rink.nu [80.112.228.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EA843D46; Sat, 13 May 2006 13:30:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rink@rink.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx0.rink.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06BC64; Sat, 13 May 2006 15:29:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx0.rink.nu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (morion.rink.nu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89357-01; Sat, 13 May 2006 15:29:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx0.rink.nu (Postfix, from userid 1678) id BE0A162; Sat, 13 May 2006 15:29:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:29:17 +0200 From: Rink Springer To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20060513132917.GC79186@rink.nu> References: <20060328070332.GA53789@rink.nu> <20060328205625.658396e8.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060328205625.658396e8.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rink.nu Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Syslogd service patch X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 13:30:36 -0000 --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, Sorry for the extremely long delay (I was moving...). A new patch can be found at http://rink.nu/tmp/syslogd2.diff. As per your comments: > Need a new line here, perhaps reword to avoid starting a > sentence with lower cased words. The entire sentence has been reworded. > ?? *cp++ =3D 0? >=20 > Perhaps I'm just lost. This is used to null-terminate the host name; this avoids using the 'host:service' pair as the hostname. >=20 > + > (void)strlcpy(f->f_un.f_forw.f_hname, ++p, > sizeof(f->f_un.f_forw.f_hname)); > + >=20 > Is this new line on purpose? No; I've removed it. Any comments? --=20 Rink P.W. Springer - http://rink.nu "Richter: Tribute? You steal men's souls, and make them your slaves! Dracula: Perhaps the same could be said of all religions." - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEZd8tb3O60uztv/8RAn2NAJ9CQM0Q33zpTHWhGFn8COvd2FK+qgCfYxpq B0ax4MR2MVBQrcao0TXLnDY= =1Dg9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf--