From owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 25 20:47:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C3016A403 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:47:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D8643D5F for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:47:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E5CBCE83; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:47:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:47:20 -0500 To: freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20060925204720.GB4731@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: Subject: [Fwd: NetBSD Bugathon: Not quite dead]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Coordination of the Problem Report handling effort." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:47:21 -0000 Here's what NetBSD has been up to in tackling their own PR backlog. I will note that several of our own folks (including remko, bms, and others) have been tackling our own backlog recently, and we've seen the total # fall quite a bit. In looking at the PRs, it helps to keep in mind that we can never fix them all; we aren't a full-time professional staff. Even trying to fix a whole block of them at once can burn you out. However, taking them one at a time and working on them is IMHO very helpful to FreeBSD -- if nothing else, it helps our users feel that they are involved in helping out, and this is almost always a good thing. (Sometimesn we see people who get very insistent about The Right Way To Do Things -- this is an occupational hazard of volunteer work and you need to place in a proper perspective). Of course, I obviously think this work is worth doing, or I wouldn't be trying to work on the incoming PRs as they arrive :-) mcl ----- Forwarded message from Remko Lodder ----- From: Remko Lodder To: Mark Linimon , Ceri Davies Subject: [Fwd: NetBSD Bugathon: Not quite dead] X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on pancho.soaustin.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.1 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Hey Bug-people, this could really be something for our efforts as well (what we are doing recently) ;-) Just have a look and tell me how you look against this :) Cheers, remko -------- Original Message -------- Subject: NetBSD Bugathon: Not quite dead Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 01:45:51 +0200 From: Elad Efrat To: netbsd-users@netbsd.org CC: current-users@netbsd.org, netbsd-announce@netbsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org Some of you who follow netbsd-bugs@ may noticed that over the past two days we closed around 270 PRs (problem reports). That's quite a lot, and I thought I might as well tell you what lead to that... A few developers and myself had an idea to give a shot to something we called a NetBSD Bugathon -- we figured if we could combine efforts together, we could address some of the thousands of PRs we managed to get open in the 13 or so years of NetBSD action so far. So we did... we got on IRC (#NetBSD-code on irc.freenode.net if you're interested) and started looking for PRs we knew how to deal with; slowly more people came aboard, and we ended up brainstorming solutions to various problems, solving them as we went. The word spread quite fast and we suddenly had a few users helping us with the work as well. All in all it's been fun, and the results are quite amazing; with about 30 developers and 20 users we managed to get the number of "open" PRs to below 4000 -- we started with almost 4200! -- in fact, the results were so surprising given the short notice (if "meet you on IRC in 12 hours" is a notice :), that we decided to let you know about this, so you could take part the next time we do it. Which is why I am going to ask you to reserve the October 7-8 weekend, for that's when we'll be holding the next NetBSD Bugathon (oh, yeah, "Reloaded!" ;) -- you are all welcome to join us, to help with the bug hunting and fixing, or just to enjoy the atmosphere. Keep in mind it'll be a great time to discuss live about features you want to see, stuff that you'd like changed, problems you're seeing, etc., or even your own set of "pet PRs" you'd *finally* like to see resolved! More information is available online: http://www.NetBSD.org/hackathon/ And if someone wants to see how the netbsd-bugs@ mailing list looks like after 2 days of non-stop work: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-bugs/2006/09/ (scroll down to 09/23/2006 and 09/24/2006... yeah, we should do something about the archive format. ;) Thanks to everyone who helped during the weekend making NetBSD better, and hoping to see you all there. Remember: October 7-8, 2006 (Saturday-Sunday, two weeks from now!) irc.freenode.net #NetBSD-code Have a great week, -e. -- Elad Efrat -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org /* Quis custodiet ipsos custodes */ ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 25 21:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34A516A416; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D6343D5D; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:30:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6CF322E26; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:30:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:30:19 -0500 To: freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20060925213019.GA7268@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: ceri@FreeBSD.org, bms@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org, linimon@FreeBSD.org Subject: fwd: NetBSD PR-a-thon X-BeenThere: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Coordination of the Problem Report handling effort." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:30:20 -0000 Here's what my reply to a private email from remko was; I think it may be of wider interest to start a dicussion here ... mcl On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 06:09:25PM +0200, Remko Lodder wrote: > Hey Bug-people, this could really be something for our efforts as well > (what we are doing recently) ;-) Sure, I'd like to see something like this happen. I am currently travelling (as I will be for a little bit) but if someone has some ideas on how to set this up, I'm listening. My perference would be to focus on the ones with 'patch' in them. If you use ~linimon/bin/showwithtag patch (e.g.) you'll see a list of them. Or, if you use the web form and search for \[patch\] (e.g.) you'll also see them. I think what bms is finding is that many of these things have already been committed over the years, or are OBE. remko has been doing a good job nuking the BS i386 ones; I have gotten more strict about closing the "support" kind of issues as they come in, since they almost always just rot. I'd like to see a community consensus that it's just hopeless to try to use any bugtracking system (GNATS or a possible successor) for that, given the resources we have. OTOH if people want to step up and do triage on those, rather than me just turning them away, that's great too. I'm going to forward this onto bugbusters@, that list is quiet these days anyways. IIRC this may even be what it was intended for in the first place ... mcl --DB41B43D7D.1159216931/mx1.FreeBSD.org--