From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 10 14:05:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8436E16A402 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@fer.hr) Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr (lara.cc.fer.hr [161.53.72.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16A543D48 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:04:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ivoras@fer.hr) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.cc.fer.hr [127.0.0.1]) by lara.cc.fer.hr (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3AE427o041634; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:04:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ivoras@fer.hr) Message-ID: <443A65D2.8020406@fer.hr> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:04:02 +0200 From: Ivan Voras User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050921) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Kinsey References: <4432F5AF.4030201@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <4432F5AF.4030201@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LOCALE, Ltd.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:05:00 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Well, sure 'nough, `locale -a | wc -l` seems to be in the > mid-200s here, and his systems have over 550 locales. > Not only this, but many FreeBSD locale definitions are useless, where collation is mapped to generic "latin" alphabet instead of what the real language uses. This is true, for example, for my locale hr_HR.UTF-8. That's why PostgreSQL port on FreeBSD can be built with IBM's ICU (http://www.ibm.com/software/globalization/icu/index.jsp) which, as far as I can tell, replaces the OS's locale support. Note that, while generic UNICODE character set support in PostgreSQL (and FreeBSD) is all fine and well, it's almost useless (for business applications) without proper language-specific collation support. Others have noted that the console doesn't suport UTF-8, and I'll add that there may be a bug in UTF8 handling in libc, because my apache server logs show intermittent crashes in PHP module which can be backtraced to utf8.c in libc. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 11 00:12:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5365316A407 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:12:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from test@krea.pl) Received: from krea.pl (pi20.poznan.sdi.tpnet.pl [213.76.217.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE95A43D45 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:12:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from test@krea.pl) Received: by krea.pl (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 82B6F2076; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:13:08 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: postcard.com Message-Id: <20060410231308.82B6F2076@krea.pl> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:13:08 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: You have received a postcard ! 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(dragoninterrupted@68.234.53.3 with plain) by smtp101.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 00:20:08 -0000 Message-ID: <443AF59E.3090703@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:17:34 -0700 From: James S User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060311) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [scam: You have received a postcard !] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:20:09 -0000 This is most likely a virus; the url contains a .exe: 1. http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe Whether or not it is for open source softaware, it's better safe than sorry. ~Dragon, Interrupted -------- Original Message -------- Subject: You have received a postcard ! Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:13:08 +0200 (CEST) From: postcard.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Hello friend ! You have just received a postcard from someone who cares about you! This is a part of the message: "Hy there! It has been a long time since I haven't heared about you! I've just found out about this service from Claire, a friend of mine who also told me that..." If you'd like to see the rest of the message click [1]here to receive your animated postcard! =================== Thank you for using www.yourpostcard.com 's services !!! Please take this opportunity to let your friends hear about us by sending them a postcard from our collection ! ================== References 1. http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe _______________________________________________ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 11 00:40:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0249F16A403 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:40:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail.matt.mcdonald@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2BC43D49 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:40:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mail.matt.mcdonald@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l8so1011443nzf for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:40:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; b=BKeUQPS1R001Wh9sYeQGu9uZJaor4rDNqwSSzQ2Sp+Y8K5vKHVl0z3JjFYfOh43bc4EwloP7Y5guOYiulPkH84FihvUGKkSNou+NL9fKnz0Xxb2H9wLu4ngUaWXcP68oNzkj21mdSbCnHWkl4fzGixLQVvOSE5F33bR6vmtDFw0= Received: by 10.36.250.33 with SMTP id x33mr3914795nzh; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mattgrad ( [71.211.42.29]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 15sm1166623nzn.2006.04.10.17.40.02; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "'James S'" , Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:40:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <443AF59E.3090703@yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcZc/c885aF5YM58RS2vJBrDwHNEEAAApH8g Message-ID: <443afae3.2322cefc.28d5.ffff9366@mx.gmail.com> Cc: Subject: RE: [scam: You have received a postcard !] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:40:05 -0000 Is it just me or is the amount of phishing on FreeBSD lists getting to be absurd? -Matt McDonald -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of James S Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:18 PM To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: [scam: You have received a postcard !] This is most likely a virus; the url contains a .exe: 1. http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe Whether or not it is for open source softaware, it's better safe than sorry. ~Dragon, Interrupted -------- Original Message -------- Subject: You have received a postcard ! Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:13:08 +0200 (CEST) From: postcard.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Hello friend ! You have just received a postcard from someone who cares about you! This is a part of the message: "Hy there! It has been a long time since I haven't heared about you! I've just found out about this service from Claire, a friend of mine who also told me that..." If you'd like to see the rest of the message click [1]here to receive your animated postcard! =================== Thank you for using www.yourpostcard.com 's services !!! Please take this opportunity to let your friends hear about us by sending them a postcard from our collection ! ================== References 1. http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe _______________________________________________ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 11 01:27:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FD416A405 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate4.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate4.pacific.net.sg [203.81.36.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5C7D43D45 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:27:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 27674 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 01:27:38 -0000 Received: from maxwell2.pacific.net.sg (203.120.90.192) by smtpgate4.pacific.net.sg with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 01:27:37 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([210.24.122.33]) by maxwell2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20060411012737.FPUG28656.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@[192.168.0.107]>; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:27:37 +0800 Message-ID: <443B05C3.2010404@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:26:27 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060112) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mail.matt.mcdonald@gmail.com References: <443afae3.2322cefc.28d5.ffff9366@mx.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <443afae3.2322cefc.28d5.ffff9366@mx.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, 'James S' Subject: Re: [scam: You have received a postcard !] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:27:41 -0000 Hi, mail.matt.mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: > Is it just me or is the amount of phishing on FreeBSD lists getting to be > absurd? absurd? Because they use Windows programs on FreeBSD? Absurd? Because they all come through the filter? This will always happen as long as you do not screen every registration by hand. It might will be helpful if there would be system where members of the list can report abuse cases and the system automatically blocks the address. But there would be then the need for an administrator to unblock if something went wrong. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 11 01:38:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E8E16A403 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:38:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dragoninterrupted@yahoo.com) Received: from web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8D2D43D45 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:38:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dragoninterrupted@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4813 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2006 01:38:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hCkC29Li7pv6OaSHpIgtQ5uV4UB3O8QLeQQuAtyaGNfoIAIMRhO720oI6e55UCj3m6OI5RefM9QNHlxFcyHOp2OIQY06FkDOKNLu/kpYItAW17lIb20Rs91pIGePX0FEWCsVH/UeWH78x2Dvd1HdnugubrW+zyHK8YCtaB1xCK0= ; Message-ID: <20060411013835.4811.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.234.53.3] by web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:38:35 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:38:35 -0700 (PDT) From: James S Blankenship To: joe@joeholden.co.uk, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <443AFA82.10409@joeholden.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: [scam: You have received a postcard !] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:38:36 -0000 Duh . . . .exe's are useless on open source, even less usuable to transmit a virus. I seem to have missed that when I wrote that . . . But no need to be an ass about it either; I'm relatively new to the scene. Forgive me if I mistook your meaning. --- Joe Holden wrote: > James S wrote: > > This is most likely a virus; the url contains a > .exe: 1. > > http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe > Whether or not it is > > for open source softaware, it's better safe than > sorry. > > > > ~Dragon, Interrupted > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: You have received a postcard ! > > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:13:08 +0200 (CEST) > > From: postcard.com > > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > > > > > Hello friend ! > > You have just received a postcard from someone > who cares about you! > > This is a part of the message: > > "Hy there! It has been a long time since I > haven't heared about you! > > I've just found out about this service from > Claire, a friend of mine > > who also told me that..." > > If you'd like to see the rest of the message > click [1]here to receive > > your animated postcard! > > =================== > > Thank you for using www.yourpostcard.com 's > services !!! > > Please take this opportunity to let your > friends hear about us by > > sending them a postcard from our collection ! > > ================== > > > > References > > > > 1. > http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Virii, so clever, yet so stupid at the same time. > > -- > Thanks, > Joe Holden > FreeBSD Port Maintainer / Consultant, Opera Telecom > Network Administrator > Pub Key: http://www.joeholden.co.uk/pubkey.asc > finger joe@joeholden.co.uk > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 11 02:03:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2316B16A402 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@joeholden.co.uk) Received: from elise.stf.rewt.org.uk (elise.stf.rewt.org.uk [82.152.108.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AA543D46 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:03:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joe@joeholden.co.uk) Received: from [82.152.108.166] (im.a.raver.not.a.fucking.drug-addict.be [82.152.108.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by elise.stf.rewt.org.uk (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3B23jN0009353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:03:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe@joeholden.co.uk) Message-ID: <443B0E4C.1060709@joeholden.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:02:52 +0100 From: Joe Holden User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James S Blankenship References: <20060411013835.4811.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060411013835.4811.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=13A6D1E7; url=http://www.joeholden.co.uk/pubkey.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8D55EF0026DBB6E30CB2CFF8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=3.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on elise.stf.rewt.org.uk Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [scam: You have received a postcard !] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: joe@joeholden.co.uk List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:03:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8D55EF0026DBB6E30CB2CFF8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James S Blankenship wrote: > Duh . . . .exe's are useless on open source, even less > usuable to transmit a virus. I seem to have missed > that when I wrote that . . . But no need to be an ass > about it either; I'm relatively new to the scene.=20 > Forgive me if I mistook your meaning. >=20 > --- Joe Holden wrote: >=20 >> James S wrote: >>> This is most likely a virus; the url contains a >> .exe: 1.=20 >>> http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe >> Whether or not it is=20 >>> for open source softaware, it's better safe than >> sorry. >>> ~Dragon, Interrupted >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: You have received a postcard ! >>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:13:08 +0200 (CEST) >>> From: postcard.com >>> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >>> >>> >>> Hello friend ! >>> You have just received a postcard from someone >> who cares about you! >>> This is a part of the message: >>> "Hy there! It has been a long time since I >> haven't heared about you! >>> I've just found out about this service from >> Claire, a friend of mine >>> who also told me that..." >>> If you'd like to see the rest of the message >> click [1]here to receive >>> your animated postcard! >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> Thank you for using www.yourpostcard.com 's >> services !!! >>> Please take this opportunity to let your >> friends hear about us by >>> sending them a postcard from our collection ! >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. >> http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >>> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >>> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> Virii, so clever, yet so stupid at the same time. >> >> --=20 >> Thanks, >> Joe Holden >> FreeBSD Port Maintainer / Consultant, Opera Telecom >> Network Administrator >> Pub Key: http://www.joeholden.co.uk/pubkey.asc >> finger joe@joeholden.co.uk >> >> >=20 I apologise, I didn't intend it to come across like that, I was just=20 referring to the fact that they're mailing a non-windows mailing list. --=20 Thanks, Joe Holden FreeBSD Port Maintainer / Consultant, Opera Telecom Network Administrator= Pub Key: http://www.joeholden.co.uk/pubkey.asc finger joe@joeholden.co.uk --------------enig8D55EF0026DBB6E30CB2CFF8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEOw5NdQJXshOm0ecRAlQHAJ9KRKeKOM0Nm1HjIWpIXeyzshwe8gCeJPDF tuJyBkO0Rj1qwPh/aOLvPq4= =Wj4F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8D55EF0026DBB6E30CB2CFF8-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 11 02:06:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2700216A400 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:06:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dragoninterrupted@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE0AA43D45 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:06:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dragoninterrupted@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59798 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 02:06:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=byhFW9SGIP3SRM4PPKwUrMBU6CYgxhS4SVnX5IefQ2zqRNT+yOCl7TfBVGZywgqa+hUeNJBNxF94xPpgrKVw0dBiHbFTxdk+TIH4Zi+6pKW4HccprxxncFM7k+zPb58RYFx+648zqkHZF1miaiujW7XkvYK4LcbDoCon50bkjqc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.5?) (dragoninterrupted@68.234.53.3 with plain) by smtp012.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 02:06:38 -0000 Message-ID: <443B0E96.8040209@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:04:06 -0700 From: James S User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060311) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joe@joeholden.co.uk References: <20060411013835.4811.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <443B0E4C.1060709@joeholden.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <443B0E4C.1060709@joeholden.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [scam: You have received a postcard !] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:06:39 -0000 Joe Holden wrote: > James S Blankenship wrote: >> Duh . . . .exe's are useless on open source, even less >> usuable to transmit a virus. I seem to have missed >> that when I wrote that . . . But no need to be an ass >> about it either; I'm relatively new to the scene. Forgive me if I >> mistook your meaning. >> >> --- Joe Holden wrote: >> >>> James S wrote: >>>> This is most likely a virus; the url contains a >>> .exe: 1. >>>> http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe >>> Whether or not it is >>>> for open source softaware, it's better safe than >>> sorry. >>>> ~Dragon, Interrupted >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: You have received a postcard ! >>>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:13:08 +0200 (CEST) >>>> From: postcard.com >>>> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello friend ! >>>> You have just received a postcard from someone >>> who cares about you! >>>> This is a part of the message: >>>> "Hy there! It has been a long time since I >>> haven't heared about you! >>>> I've just found out about this service from >>> Claire, a friend of mine >>>> who also told me that..." >>>> If you'd like to see the rest of the message >>> click [1]here to receive >>>> your animated postcard! >>>> =================== >>>> Thank you for using www.yourpostcard.com 's >>> services !!! >>>> Please take this opportunity to let your >>> friends hear about us by >>>> sending them a postcard from our collection ! >>>> ================== >>>> >>>> References >>>> >>>> 1. >>> http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> Virii, so clever, yet so stupid at the same time. >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Joe Holden >>> FreeBSD Port Maintainer / Consultant, Opera Telecom >>> Network Administrator >>> Pub Key: http://www.joeholden.co.uk/pubkey.asc >>> finger joe@joeholden.co.uk >>> >>> >> > I apologise, I didn't intend it to come across like that, I was just > referring to the fact that they're mailing a non-windows mailing list. > No worries, I suspected as much. It's hard being a newbie sometimes :) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 12 09:35:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9496216A405 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACCF43D55 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:35:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd3mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.12]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXL00DBHRYECY50@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.150]) by pd3mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXL00G8ORYE5N80@pd3mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soralx.cydem.org ([24.87.27.3]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXL00F09RYEUT50@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:35:00 -0700 From: soralx@cydem.org To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <200604120235.01023.soralx@cydem.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 Subject: electronic circuit drawing/simulation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:35:03 -0000 A question to the electonics gurus here: what program would you recommend to use for subj under FreeBSD 5.4-R? I tried 'oregano' from ports -- it'd be nice if not for its _serious_ buggines (coredumps, shows nonsense transient analysis, or somitimes none at all, etc) and low functionality ('flexibility'). Also, I remember launching some electronic component library editor from shell accidentally. It was long time ago, and now I can't remember how's the binary named (could be part of geda, spice, oregano, or something else). Could someone refresh my memory? Timestamp: 0x443CC700 [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 12 23:26:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4228916A403 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:26:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC32143D70 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:26:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCD819F2C; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <443D8C9D.50800@bitfreak.org> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:26:21 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soralx@cydem.org References: <200604120235.01023.soralx@cydem.org> In-Reply-To: <200604120235.01023.soralx@cydem.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: electronic circuit drawing/simulation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:26:30 -0000 soralx@cydem.org wrote: > A question to the electonics gurus here: what program would you recommend > to use for subj under FreeBSD 5.4-R? I tried 'oregano' from ports -- it'd > be nice if not for its _serious_ buggines (coredumps, shows nonsense > transient analysis, or somitimes none at all, etc) and low functionality > ('flexibility'). OrCAD, run under WINE. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 15 11:13:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE37D16A401 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benlutz@datacomm.ch) Received: from maxlor.mine.nu (c-213-160-32-54.customer.ggaweb.ch [213.160.32.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F44343D45 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:13:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from benlutz@datacomm.ch) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by maxlor.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6432E09B for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:13:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atlantis.intranet Received: from maxlor.mine.nu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlantis.intranet [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id naiCBizb9-10 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:13:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mini.intranet (mini.intranet [10.0.0.17]) by maxlor.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7196F2E02C for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:13:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Benjamin Lutz To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:13:29 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 X-Face: $Ov27?7*N,h60fIEfNJdb!m,@#4T/d; 1hw|W0zvsHM(a$Yn6BYQ0^SEEXvi8>D`|V*F"_+R 2@Aq>+mNb4`,'[[%z9v0Fa~]AD1}xQO3|>b.z&}l#R-_(P`?@Mz"kS; XC>Eti,i3>%@g?4f,\c7|Gh wb&ky$b2PJ^\0b83NkLsFKv|smL/cI4UD%Tu8alAD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1996097.RarQuQCSnt"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200604151313.32519.benlutz@datacomm.ch> Subject: Why is not more FreeBSD software written in C++? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:13:36 -0000 --nextPart1996097.RarQuQCSnt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Something occurred to me just now. I've been looking at the summer of code= =20 page, where I noticed the "Rewrite cvsup in C" entry. When Perl was removed= =20 from the FreeBSD base, the general notion was to rewrite any Perl scripts i= n=20 sh or C. Why is it that C++ is not used for our programs? The C++ compiler is in the= =20 base and built by default, and the OOP paradigm is a nice one, that many=20 programmers, especially the younger ones (like me :) ) are probably more=20 familiar with than the tricks and techniques used in C to achieve good=20 efficiency. My first guess is that it's a habit. People dealing with the FreeBSD source= =20 code are used to C, and therefore use that for their apps. If it's only tha= t,=20 there'd be no good reason for not writing a tool like cvsup in C++, right? = Or=20 is there a more technical reason? Cheers Benjamin --nextPart1996097.RarQuQCSnt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEQNVcgShs4qbRdeQRAty1AJ9ROXUvmiinf+D6hbwGM+jQxMZFxACeNmTr qsmukDrIfM6Ng/1pwDxS0sc= =1vAT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1996097.RarQuQCSnt-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 15 16:04:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052F416A404 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from mail.hjemme.no (mail.hjemme.no [62.97.193.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC2443D46 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:04:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from carebears.mine.nu (151.85-200-10.bkkb.no [85.200.10.151]) by mail.hjemme.no (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3FG42fC020683; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:04:04 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carebears.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEB7CD6E4; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:04:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at carebears.mine.nu Received: from carebears.mine.nu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (shine.carebears.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WcnRn1Lt6Gc9; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.27]) by carebears.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C93CD69F; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4441199C.4090802@carebears.mine.nu> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:04:44 +0200 From: Christer Solskogen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Lutz References: <200604151313.32519.benlutz@datacomm.ch> In-Reply-To: <200604151313.32519.benlutz@datacomm.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0615-3, 14.04.2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is not more FreeBSD software written in C++? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:04:09 -0000 Benjamin Lutz wrote: > Something occurred to me just now. I've been looking at the summer of code > page, where I noticed the "Rewrite cvsup in C" entry. When Perl was removed > from the FreeBSD base, the general notion was to rewrite any Perl scripts in > sh or C. > > Why is it that C++ is not used for our programs? The C++ compiler is in the > base and built by default, and the OOP paradigm is a nice one, that many > programmers, especially the younger ones (like me :) ) are probably more > familiar with than the tricks and techniques used in C to achieve good > efficiency. > > My first guess is that it's a habit. People dealing with the FreeBSD source > code are used to C, and therefore use that for their apps. If it's only that, > there'd be no good reason for not writing a tool like cvsup in C++, right? Or > is there a more technical reason? If you really want you can code whatever tool you need in c++. I guess cvsup was rewritten in C because the developer understands C, and not C++ (or the task of rewrite cvsup in C++ would be harder) -- chs From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 15 19:57:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9BB16A402 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmy@jamesbailie.com) Received: from smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4346D43D45 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:57:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jimmy@jamesbailie.com) Received: (qmail 7102 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 19:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.29.126.205?) (jazzturk@rogers.com@70.29.126.205 with plain) by smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 19:57:45 -0000 Message-ID: <44415038.4020101@jamesbailie.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:57:44 -0400 From: James Bailie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060304) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <200604151313.32519.benlutz@datacomm.ch> <4441199C.4090802@carebears.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: <4441199C.4090802@carebears.mine.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why is not more FreeBSD software written in C++? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:57:47 -0000 Benjamin Lutz wrote: > Why is it that C++ is not used for our programs? The C++ > compiler is in the base and built by default, and the OOP > paradigm is a nice one, that many programmers, especially the > younger ones (like me :) ) are probably more familiar with than > the tricks and techniques used in C to achieve good efficiency. Efficiency is of prime importance in systems programming. The only language in which one can write more efficient programs than in C, is assembler, but it's not portable. If someone is writing something in C, then you can assume they are seeking efficiency over convenience. C is still the lingua franca of the programming world. You need to be proficient in it. Many of us don't need C++. It occupies the middle ground between C and higher-level languages. When I want high-level datatypes or user-defined types and polymorphism, I work in Lisp, where I am much more productive. I work in C when efficiency is the paramount concern, but even then, I would rather extend a Lisp implementation with new primitives in C only where necessary, and so avoid completely reinventing the wheel. Many C++ programmers have switched their allegiance to Java, in order to gain the benefits of garbage-collection and freedom from pointer manipulation without having to learn a new paradigm. I doubt anyone would object if you wrote anything, except kernel code, in C++, or even objective C, for that matter, as they are all supported by GCC. -- James Bailie http://www.jamesbailie.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 15 21:38:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9C816A400 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7875F43D5A for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:38:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (ppp222-116.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net [203.122.222.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.5/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3FLbk5b035124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:07:55 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:07:26 +0930 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200604151313.32519.benlutz@datacomm.ch> <4441199C.4090802@carebears.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: <4441199C.4090802@carebears.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1898354.FAQ3kS0XKL"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200604160707.27476.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: Benjamin Lutz Subject: Re: Why is not more FreeBSD software written in C++? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:38:20 -0000 --nextPart1898354.FAQ3kS0XKL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 16 April 2006 01:34, Christer Solskogen wrote: > > My first guess is that it's a habit. People dealing with the FreeBSD > > source code are used to C, and therefore use that for their apps. If it= 's > > only that, there'd be no good reason for not writing a tool like cvsup = in > > C++, right? Or is there a more technical reason? > > If you really want you can code whatever tool you need in c++. I guess > cvsup was rewritten in C because the developer understands C, and not > C++ (or the task of rewrite cvsup in C++ would be harder) A not insignificant reason (IMO) is that C++ is much slower to compile.. Also, gcc didn't use to be (ie when FreeBSD was started) a good C++ compile= r. =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart1898354.FAQ3kS0XKL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEQWeX5ZPcIHs/zowRAnv4AJ0eQJS/PQlNsE2qv0O9c+j7jgJlbwCfSvAR SZkanhDCJDf6QZVNjEoGcz4= =w8+S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1898354.FAQ3kS0XKL-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 15 22:07:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049EA16A400 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: from graf.pompo.net (graf.pompo.net [81.56.186.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A8143D46 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:07:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: by graf.pompo.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B364611440; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 00:07:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 00:07:08 +0200 From: Thierry Thomas To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060415220708.GS87359@graf.pompo.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Benjamin Lutz References: <200604151313.32519.benlutz@datacomm.ch> <4441199C.4090802@carebears.mine.nu> <200604160707.27476.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="27ZtN5FSuKKSZcBU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200604160707.27476.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.1-PRERELEASE i386 Organization: Kabbale Eros X-Face: (hRbQnK~Pt7$ct`!fupO(`y_WL4^-Iwn4@ly-.,[4xC4xc; y=\ipKMNm<1J>lv@PP~7Z<.t KjAnXLs: X-PGP: 0xC71405A2 Cc: Benjamin Lutz Subject: Re: Why is not more FreeBSD software written in C++? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:07:12 -0000 --27ZtN5FSuKKSZcBU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le Sam 15 avr 06 =E0 23:37:26 +0200, Daniel O'Connor =E9crivait=A0: > A not insignificant reason (IMO) is that C++ is much slower to compile.. >=20 > Also, gcc didn't use to be (ie when FreeBSD was started) a good C++ compi= ler. And also /usr/lib/libstdc++* can be removed on small systems. --=20 Th. 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