From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 5 08:18:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E94516A62F for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 08:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayogk@cargolink.com) Received: from cargolink.com (62-43-83-194.user.ono.com [62.43.83.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9640343D55 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 08:18:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kayogk@cargolink.com) Message-ID: <069901c70090$3ddb50f0$0950d2d0@wdiscoverl> From: "Brentona Langej" To: Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 09:18:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Make a quick buck with ck X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brentona Langej List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 08:18:20 -0000 THIS IS NOT SPECULATION BUT REAL INFORMATION This advisory is based on exclusive insiders/agents information. 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From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 5 08:20:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hubs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8677816A6D8 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 08:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from izumtiih@cargolink.com) Received: from cargolink.com (62-43-83-194.user.ono.com [62.43.83.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A0A6143D8E for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 08:20:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from izumtiih@cargolink.com) Message-ID: <099901c70028$3cff05a0$3719e7c0@pbrooksideh> From: "Kaitlin Rothyn" To: Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 09:20:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: try and miss this pk X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kaitlin Rothyn List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 08:20:29 -0000 THIS ONE IS BEING PROMOTED, TAKE ADVANTAGE This advisory is based on exclusive insiders/agents information. (AVLN.OB) Avalon Energy Corporation has an undivided 85% working interest in the Shotgun Draw Prospect in the prolific natural gas producing Uinta Basin , located in the US Rockies, Utah . The lease comprises 13,189 acres with a potential 4 TCF recoverable gas and is overpressured by a 0.55 . 0.85 gradient. ON MONDAY NOV 6th: at 11 cents its a STEAL - Volume: 389,001 - Volume: + 50% - Price: +5.77% The key to any tade is buying low and selling high, WELL the energy market has bottomed out and time to get in is now. 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The NTSB's update outlined factual information about the crash, but did not conclude what the probable cause of the crash was. The full board will likely vote on a ruling at a later date. A light wind was cited by federal investigators Friday for blowing a small airplane carrying Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle off course and into a New York City high-rise on October 11. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 5 18:58:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95EC16A40F for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from albryan@comcast.net) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B7E43D90 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:57:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from albryan@comcast.net) Received: from blip (c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net[66.176.118.121]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20061105185743013008tca8e>; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:57:43 +0000 From: "Anthony L. Bryan" To: "'Francois Petillon'" , Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:57:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c7010c$4675d070$0201a8c0@blip> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4549C49F.4090109@proxad.net> Thread-Index: Acb+Z3JWaKOa59ZJQYCM/7GJ33FlmACo3scg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Cc: Subject: RE: ISO downloads with multiple mirrors for higher reliabilty, automatic checksum verification X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:58:14 -0000 > Anthony L. Bryan wrote: > > I've made Metalinks for a few FreeBSD ISOs: > >=20 > http://www.metalinker.org/samples/FreeBSD_6_2-BETA3-amd64-boot only_iso.metal > > ink >=20 > As these Metalinks are not officials, would it be possible to remove=20 > ftp.fr.freebsd.org from these files ? I do not want to support nor=20 > promote an "open standard" that encourage software to do parallel=20 > segmented downloads. Of course, Fran=E7ois! =20 > I have several problems with segmented downloads. As software open=20 > several connections (it may be several connections on a=20 > single server or=20 > single connections on several servers, the result is the=20 > same), servers=20 > will serve more connections and will have less memory usable per=20 > connection. As one of the biggest problem on servers is=20 > related to disks=20 > IO optimizations, less memory may lead to smaller block reads=20 > (and thus=20 > higher disk load). Even if the server has enough memory, as=20 > the file are=20 > requested by segments, you are disabling on the server the ability to=20 > fully optimize its disk requests. Last but not the least (and it does=20 > not concern bittorent downloads, only servers), if you do not=20 > download=20 > at max speed, it means there is a _real_ bottleneck. It may be on the=20 > server, it may be on the network but speeding up download by using=20 > segmented downloads will not create bandwidth, you will just steal=20 > bandwidth to other people. While some people are using metalinks for segmented downloads, others = are not. Some people use them for the enhanced reliability of having extra = links to fall back on. I can not force download managers or metalink clients = to change how they have been behaving for years, but I can encourage them = to be respectful of server resources. Which is why I have been asking for suggestions on how to improve things. Can you think of some per transfer and per server options that would = help the situation? Maybe something like for each transfer max connections and max servers = and for servers something like max connections and segment size? (( Anthony Bryan )) Metalink [ http://www.metalinker.org ] From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 5 20:48:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hubs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1625916A57C for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dimitar.vassilev@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383CB43F4F for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:45:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dimitar.vassilev@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so636660uge for ; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:45:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FPFtO+SY++DeFlZAEY/k7qe/wWvUAUq+W959XBrGBJ9POT5KMYakYn2+NA7MrNEaKurMrGKDMyuKjPKObe6lMfgDXQsGY72EHwIQtckfjMkefCGxJXv+gKt683+NXfs1qZYHPJ24YbFJFB9neV9WeLPz3wlGWEnwWXRWOv3J11k= Received: by 10.78.68.18 with SMTP id q18mr2462481hua.1162759513992; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.182.2 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:45:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <59adc1a0611051245r4efa5602w7db8a872c0c1770@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 21:45:13 +0100 From: "Dimitar Vasilev" To: "Anthony L. Bryan" In-Reply-To: <000301c7010c$4675d070$0201a8c0@blip> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4549C49F.4090109@proxad.net> <000301c7010c$4675d070$0201a8c0@blip> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO downloads with multiple mirrors for higher reliabilty, automatic checksum verification X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:48:40 -0000 Pgo+Cj4gQ2FuIHlvdSB0aGluayBvZiBzb21lIHBlciB0cmFuc2ZlciBhbmQgcGVyIHNlcnZlciBv cHRpb25zIHRoYXQgd291bGQgaGVscAo+IHRoZSBzaXR1YXRpb24/Cj4KPiBNYXliZSBzb21ldGhp bmcgbGlrZSBmb3IgZWFjaCB0cmFuc2ZlciBtYXggY29ubmVjdGlvbnMgYW5kIG1heCBzZXJ2ZXJz IGFuZAo+IGZvciBzZXJ2ZXJzIHNvbWV0aGluZyBsaWtlIG1heCBjb25uZWN0aW9ucyBhbmQgc2Vn bWVudCBzaXplPwo+Cj4gKCggQW50aG9ueSBCcnlhbgo+ICkpIE1ldGFsaW5rIFsgaHR0cDovL3d3 dy5tZXRhbGlua2VyLm9yZyBdCj4KPiBfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fXwo+IGZyZWVic2QtaHVic0BmcmVlYnNkLm9yZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKPiBo dHRwOi8vbGlzdHMuZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9mcmVlYnNkLWh1YnMKPiBU byB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSwgc2VuZCBhbnkgbWFpbCB0byAiZnJlZWJzZC1odWJzLXVuc3Vic2NyaWJl QGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIgoKCgpIZWxsbyEKQnJpZWYgYWRkaXRpb24gb2YgbWluZSB0byB0aGUgaWRl YSBhYm92ZS4gSGF2ZW4ndCB3ZW50IHRob3VnaCBtZXRhbGluawppbXBsZW1lbnRhdGlvbiBkZWVw bHkuCgpDb3VsZCBpdCBiZSBsaWtlIGEgdHh0IGZpbGUgb24gc2VydmVyLCB3aGljaCBjbGllbnRz IGNhbiBmZXRjaCBhbmQgb2JleSBsaWtlCnJvYm90cy50eHQKRS5nIC0gbWV0YWxpbmsudHh0IGlu IHB1Yi9GcmVlQlNEIGRpcmVjdG9yeQoKU2FtcGxlCi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLQptYXhjb25uPTMgKG1heCBjb25uZWN0aW9ucyBwZXIgY2xpZW50KQpzc2l6ZT0xMDI0KGJ5 dGVzLGtieXRlcyxtZWdzLGdpZ3MgLSB5b3VyIHBpY2ssIGJ1dCBzaG91bGQgYmUgZXF1YWwgZm9y IGFsbAptYWNoaW5lcykKbWF4Y2xpZW50cz01MAotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0KCmFuZCBzb21lIGNlbnRyYWwgZGIvcnNzIGZlZWQgb24gbWV0YWxpbmsgc2l0ZSBkYiB0aGF0 IHBhcnNlcyB0aGVzZSBmaWxlcyBhbmQKaW5zdHJ1Y3RzIGNsaWVudHMgdGhhdCBzZXJ2ZXIgaGFz IHJlYWNoZWQgbWF4aW11bSBjYXBhY2l0eSBhbmQgdGhleSBzaG91bGQKbW92ZSB0byBhbm90aGVy IG1hY2hpbmU/CkluIHNpbWlsYXIgbWFubmVyLCBjb25kaXRpb24gb2YgZnJlZWJzZCBtaXJyb3Ig c2l0ZXMgaXMgY2hlY2tlZCB2aWEgbWlybW9uIC0KZmlsZSBwdWIvRnJlZUJTRC9USU1FU1RBTVAg YW5kIGxhdGVyIGEgcm9ib3QgY3Jhd2xzIHRvIGNoZWNrIGl0IGFuZCByZXBvcnRzCm9uIHdlYiBw YWdlLgpIYXBweSBldmVuaW5nIGFuZCBhIG5pY2Ugd2VlayEKLS0gCtCU0LjQvNC40YLRitGAINCS 0LDRgdC40LvQtdCyCkRpbWl0YXIgVmFzc2lsZXYKCkdudVBHIGtleSBJRDogMHg0QjhEQjUyNQpL ZXlzZXJ2ZXI6IHBncC5taXQuZWR1CktleSBmaW5nZXJwcmludDogRDg4QSAzQjkyIERFRDUgOTE3 RSAzNDFFIEQ2MkYgOEM1MSA1RkM0IDRCOEQgQjUyNQo= From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 7 14:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB3D16A403 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fantec@proxad.net) Received: from fanfan.staff.proxad.net (fanfan.staff.proxad.net [213.228.1.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8312943D7C for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:50:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fantec@proxad.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fanfan.staff.proxad.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649E035A5D0 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:22:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <455096B5.5090401@proxad.net> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:22:45 +0100 From: Francois Petillon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050513 Debian/1.7.8-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org References: <000301c7010c$4675d070$0201a8c0@blip> In-Reply-To: <000301c7010c$4675d070$0201a8c0@blip> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: ISO downloads with multiple mirrors for higher reliabilty, automatic checksum verification X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:50:33 -0000 Anthony L. Bryan wrote: > I can not force download managers or metalink clients to change how > they have been behaving for years, but I can encourage them to be > respectful of server resources. You are encouraging people to misbehave : ---- http://www.metalinker.org/why.html Metalink was designed for describing the locations of large files that are multi-located (shared via many mirrors and with P2P) so segments can be downloaded from different places at the same time, automatically. ---- Automatic load balancing distributes traffic so individual servers are under less strain. ---- > Can you think of some per transfer and per server options that would help > the situation? As far as I am concerned, either someone uses a single connection to a local/nearby server to download (using segmented download should be use only for failover), or he uses P2P. I will quote Marco d'Itri (cf debian-devel ML last september) : ---- To summarize the issue: * parallel downloads are bad * using P2P when local mirrors are available is very bad ---- François