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Current FreeBSD problem reports
Critical problems
Serious problems

S Tracker      Resp.      Description
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o sparc/71729  sparc64    printf in kernel thread causes panic on SPARC
o sparc/72962  sparc64    [sysinstall] Sysinstall panics on sparc64 if /dev/cd0 
o sparc/80410  sparc64    [netgraph] netgraph is causing crash with mpd on sparc
o sparc/80890  sparc64    [panic] kmem_malloc(73728): kmem_map too small running
o sparc/91882  sparc64    [mouse] Ultra 10 mouse/keyboard
o sparc/92033  sparc64    [dc] dc(4) issues on Ultra10
o sparc/95297  sparc64    vt100 term does not work in install
o sparc/95892  sparc64    [hme] MAC address of hme interfaces is ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:
o sparc/98269  sparc64    Fresh 6.1 installation fails to boot

9 problems total.

Non-critical problems

S Tracker      Resp.      Description
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o sparc/72998  sparc64    [kernel] [patch] set_mcontext() change syscalls parame
s sparc/82681  sparc64    [dc] dc state messages
o sparc/90316  sparc64    [kbd] Keyboard "lock" key lights not working properly
f sparc/91334  sparc64    FreeBSD 6.0 don't support tftp boot from remot tftp se
o sparc/94190  sparc64    hw.physmem tunable does not work on sparc
o sparc/94483  sparc64    [ath] ath_hal does not work on 6-release/sparc64
o sparc/97707  sparc64    mkskel.sh has bogus timestamp, causing buildworld on s

7 problems total.


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TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:03 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:03 - starting HEAD tinderbox run for sparc64/sparc64
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:03 - cleaning the object tree
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:32 - checking out the source tree
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:32 - cd /tinderbox/HEAD/sparc64/sparc64
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:32 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:30:03 - building world (CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe)
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:30:03 - cd /src
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:30:03 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld
>>> World build started on Wed Sep 27 02:30:04 UTC 2006
>>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree
>>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims
>>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools
>>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree
>>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree
>>> stage 2.3: build tools
>>> stage 3: cross tools
>>> stage 4.1: building includes
>>> stage 4.2: building libraries
[...]
===> lib/libalias (all)
===> lib/libalias/libalias (all)
cc -O2 -pipe  -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unused-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wunused-parameter -Wchar-subscripts -Winline -Wnested-externs -Wredundant-decls -c /src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias.c
cc -O2 -pipe  -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unused-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wunused-parameter -Wchar-subscripts -Winline -Wnested-externs -Wredundant-decls -c /src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias_db.c
cc -O2 -pipe  -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unused-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wunused-parameter -Wchar-subscripts -Winline -Wnested-externs -Wredundant-decls -c /src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias_proxy.c
/src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias_proxy.c: In function `ProxyEncodeIpHeader':
/src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias_proxy.c:524: warning: cast increases required alignment of target type
/src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias_proxy.c:529: warning: cast increases required alignment of target type
*** Error code 1

Stop in /src/lib/libalias/libalias.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /src/lib/libalias.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /src/lib.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /src.
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:53:59 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code  1 
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:53:59 - ERROR: failed to build world
TB --- 2006-09-27 02:53:59 - tinderbox aborted
TB --- 1.00 user 5.18 system 1856.30 real


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Should be "fixed" now, by adding NO_WERROR=3D back to libalias/Makefile.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:53:59PM -0400, FreeBSD Tinderbox wrote:
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:03 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sen=
tex.ca
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:03 - starting HEAD tinderbox run for sparc64/spar=
c64
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:03 - cleaning the object tree
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:32 - checking out the source tree
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:32 - cd /tinderbox/HEAD/sparc64/sparc64
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:23:32 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -P=
d -A src
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:30:03 - building world (CFLAGS=3D-O2 -pipe)
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:30:03 - cd /src
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:30:03 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld
> >>> World build started on Wed Sep 27 02:30:04 UTC 2006
> >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree
> >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims
> >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools
> >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree
> >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree
> >>> stage 2.3: build tools
> >>> stage 3: cross tools
> >>> stage 4.1: building includes
> >>> stage 4.2: building libraries
> [...]
> =3D=3D=3D> lib/libalias (all)
> =3D=3D=3D> lib/libalias/libalias (all)
> cc -O2 -pipe  -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unus=
ed-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wret=
urn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wunuse=
d-parameter -Wchar-subscripts -Winline -Wnested-externs -Wredundant-decls -=
c /src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias.c
> cc -O2 -pipe  -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unus=
ed-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wret=
urn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wunuse=
d-parameter -Wchar-subscripts -Winline -Wnested-externs -Wredundant-decls -=
c /src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias_db.c
> cc -O2 -pipe  -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unus=
ed-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wret=
urn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wunuse=
d-parameter -Wchar-subscripts -Winline -Wnested-externs -Wredundant-decls -=
c /src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias_proxy.c
> /src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias_proxy.c: I=
n function `ProxyEncodeIpHeader':
> /src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias_proxy.c:52=
4: warning: cast increases required alignment of target type
> /src/lib/libalias/libalias/../../../sys/netinet/libalias/alias_proxy.c:52=
9: warning: cast increases required alignment of target type
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop in /src/lib/libalias/libalias.
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop in /src/lib/libalias.
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop in /src/lib.
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop in /src.
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop in /src.
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop in /src.
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop in /src.
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:53:59 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code  1=
=20
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:53:59 - ERROR: failed to build world
> TB --- 2006-09-27 02:53:59 - tinderbox aborted
> TB --- 1.00 user 5.18 system 1856.30 real

--=20
Ruslan Ermilov
ru@FreeBSD.org
FreeBSD committer

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I am seeing terrible network throughput on my Ultra 1E+ (a "fast" 1E
clone).  It uses the hme interface; throughputs using scp on a large
file are about 1.3MB/s.  Transferring the same file using scp between
two different, faster computers gives me a throughput of about 8-9MB/s.
This is a 100MB/s network, so that seems OK.

ifconfig shows that hme is set properly (as far as I can tell):

hme0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
        options=b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU>
        inet6 fe80::240:dcff:fe3b:21d8%hme0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
        inet 192.168.0.103 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
        ether 00:40:dc:3b:21:d8
        media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX <full-duplex>)
        status: active

and the MTUs are the same for all machines (and all are FreeBSD 6.1).

Yes, I know that scp has overhead, but I find it hard to believe that
the box could not keep up with it (it is a blazing 300MHz, after all),
particularly for the throughput reduction I see.

Any suggestions on how I can increase the network performance of my 1E+?

Frank




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>>>>> "fj" == Frank Jahnke <jahnke@sonatabio.com> writes:

    fj> using scp on a large file are about 1.3MB/s.

try an scp to localhost.  

1MB/s is about what I get with 500MHz UltraSPARC IIe.  The scp built
into Solaris (compiled with Studio or Forte or something I assume) is
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I forgot to cc: the list, so here it is.

On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 16:01 -0400, Lucas Holt wrote:
> A few suggestions come to mind.  Try another protocol and see what  
> type of transfer speeds you get.  

It there one you might suggest?

> Test the performance of your hard  
> drive reads/writes.  Its possible the drive controller is not using  
> udma for example.  Some of the sun machines only support wdma which  
> limits transfers to 16MB/s if it happens to use IDE.  Granted, this  
> doesn't explain the performance entirely but if there are a lot of  
> interrupts for disk IO, it may slow down your network performance.

It is a SCSI drive using 20MB/s transfers at the controller.  It has
been tested and it works properly (about 15MB/s speeds).  Though not
fast, that should be plenty for a 100Mb/s network (typo in original
post).

Frank



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On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 16:40 -0400, Lucas Holt wrote:

> >> A few suggestions come to mind.  Try another protocol and see what
> >> type of transfer speeds you get.
> >
> > It there one you might suggest?
> 
> You could always try ftp.  In my experience its much faster than sftp  
> although not secure.  Just to test it might be interesting.

That would be the usual candidate; I'll have to enable it and then try
it.  This is all using computers behind a firewall that are inaccessible
from the Internet.  So security is of no concern for these tests.

> > It is a SCSI drive using 20MB/s transfers at the controller.  It has
> > been tested and it works properly (about 15MB/s speeds).  Though not
> > fast, that should be plenty for a 100Mb/s network (typo in original
> > post).

> I'll get my sparc out later and do a little testing.

I'd appreciate that.  Mine is not a Sun (it was made by Tritec) but any
low-end SPARC of the era ought to do.  Even if it is an Ultra 5 with the
slow IDE controller.  I just can't see the controller making the big
difference for this application.

I would also appreciate it if you would copy the list so we can keep the
thread in tact.


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fj>> using scp on a large file are about 1.3MB/s.
>
> try an scp to localhost.  
>
> 1MB/s is about what I get with 500MHz UltraSPARC IIe.  The scp built
> into Solaris (compiled with Studio or Forte or something I assume) is
> a little over twice as fast on a 440MHz UltraSPARC IIi.  sorry I can't
> compare exactly the same hardware, but I'm assuming the compiler is
> probably the difference.

Well, I get about 0.9MB/s using scp to copy from the original file to 
localhost.   The overhead on both ends of the transfer undoubtedly explains 
the (slightly) lower transfer rates. 

*Sheesh*

OTOH, I recall that people are using this level of hardware as routers, and 
I recall them getting about 30Mb/s (or 4MB/s) through them.  Is there really 
that much overhead with scp?

Frank


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On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:19:16PM -0700, Frank Jahnke wrote:
> fj>> using scp on a large file are about 1.3MB/s.
> >
> > try an scp to localhost.  
> >
> > 1MB/s is about what I get with 500MHz UltraSPARC IIe.  The scp built
> > into Solaris (compiled with Studio or Forte or something I assume) is
> > a little over twice as fast on a 440MHz UltraSPARC IIi.  sorry I can't
> > compare exactly the same hardware, but I'm assuming the compiler is
> > probably the difference.
> 
> Well, I get about 0.9MB/s using scp to copy from the original file to 
> localhost.   The overhead on both ends of the transfer undoubtedly explains 
> the (slightly) lower transfer rates. 
> 
> *Sheesh*
> 
> OTOH, I recall that people are using this level of hardware as routers, and 
> I recall them getting about 30Mb/s (or 4MB/s) through them.  Is there really 
> that much overhead with scp?

>From memory, back in the dim and murky past when I was a Solaris admin,
I heard co-workers comment that the math involved in SSL/SSH encryption
was not particularly nice to SPARC/UltraSPARC CPUs.  Or rather, the
CPUs were not particularly fast when faced with that math.  End result -
booming business for SSL offloaders.

I've seen an Ultra II push > 20MBit/sec with Firewall 1 loaded doing
hme<->hme routing, so I strongly suspect its related to ssh/scp/sftp

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>>>>> "fj" == Frank Jahnke <jahnke@sonatabio.com> writes:

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> well, like I said, for me 'scp file localhost:file0' is about 2.3x
> faster on Solaris than FreeBSD.

Sure, that's the first factor of two.  There's one or two factors of two 
left to be found.  Maybe it is the Sparc disadvantage for these sorts of 
calculations cited earlier.  Must be heavy in integer math...

Frank


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>>>>> "fj" == Frank Jahnke <jahnke@sonatabio.com> writes:

    fj> There's one or two factors of two left to be found.  Maybe it
    fj> is the Sparc disadvantage for these sorts of calculations

no, I don't think there are any more factors of two to find.

300MHz Pentium, Linux with gcc:                     1.5MByte/s
440MHz UltraSPARC II, Solaris with Sun C compiler:  2.3MByte/s
500MHz UltraSPARC II, FreeBSD with gcc:             1.0MByte/s

try a slow PeeCee and see if you get similar results.  I think it's
about right: divide performance in half as penalty for trying to use
gcc on anything but i386.

My friend who makes big ftp servers with dm_crypt encrypted disks
reports results roughly in the same ballpark: 40MByte/s throughput
IDE-RAID<->GigEthernet with encryption, 90MByte/s without, on modern 
2 - 3GHz PeeCees.  In that case it's just decryption rather than
ssh+sshd running on the same CPU, so divide that throughput in half,
and you are in the same MB per MHz ballpark as the other results.  I
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>    fj> There's one or two factors of two left to be found.  Maybe it
>    fj> is the Sparc disadvantage for these sorts of calculations
>
> no, I don't think there are any more factors of two to find.
> 
> 300MHz Pentium, Linux with gcc:                     1.5MByte/s
> 440MHz UltraSPARC II, Solaris with Sun C compiler:  2.3MByte/s
> 500MHz UltraSPARC II, FreeBSD with gcc:             1.0MByte/s
> 
> try a slow PeeCee and see if you get similar results.  I think it's
> about right: divide performance in half as penalty for trying to use
> gcc on anything but i386.

I had no idea that there was so much overhead with scp.  I tried scp to 
localhost on my main workstation (dual Athlons, 15K SCSIs, FreeBSD) and 
got about 7MB/s.  That is a hit of about a factor of 10 for using scp 
from the native disk rate.

I will indeed try it on a slow PC soon: I am bring up a dual Pentium III
server in a week so so.
>
> My friend who makes big ftp servers with dm_crypt encrypted disks
> reports results roughly in the same ballpark: 40MByte/s throughput
> IDE-RAID<->GigEthernet with encryption, 90MByte/s without, on modern 
> 2 - 3GHz PeeCees.  In that case it's just decryption rather than
> ssh+sshd running on the same CPU, so divide that throughput in half,
> and you are in the same MB per MHz ballpark as the other results.  I
> think it is probably working properly.

I think you are right.  Getting about 1MB/s on a 300MHz UltraSPARC II with
gcc seems pretty good, actually.  I figured I would get about half the disk
rate, so about 7MB/s, give or take.  Clearly that will not happen.

Sorry that I can't keep the thread going, but I don't subscribe to the list, 
and I've not been copied on the messages.

Frank


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Hello, Frank!

Frank Jahnke wrote:
> Any suggestions on how I can increase the network performance of my 1E+?

Try my patch for hme(4) device polling(4):

<http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=17147+0+archive/2006/freebsd-sparc64/20060423.freebsd-sparc64>

I use this patch without problems by two production machines from the moment
of the publication. Network performance is very good on Ultra 60 (2x450MHz).
FTP transfer rate more than 11 MB/s.
scp transfer rate 2.5 MB/s.
scp -c blowfish transfer rate 3.6 MB/s.

--
With Best Regards,
Andrew Belashov.

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>>> World build started on Sat Sep 30 11:48:51 UTC 2006
>>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree
>>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims
>>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools
>>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree
>>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree
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===> gnu/lib/libregex/doc (buildincludes)
===> gnu/lib/libreadline (buildincludes)
===> gnu/lib/libreadline/history (buildincludes)
===> gnu/lib/libreadline/history/doc (buildincludes)
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*** Error code 1

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