From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 16:55:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D1B37B401 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8FD43FCB for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:55:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A573B2A8BB for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:55:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:55:48 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030329005548.A573B2A8BB@canning.wemm.org> Subject: ctm-users created, cloned from ctm-announce@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:55:50 -0000 A quick heads-up is in order. ctm-announce used to be an open mailing list. After moving it to new mailing list software, I made it a moderated list to bring it in line with the other "announce" type mailing lists. However, I *also* imported the old majordomo list a second time but this time under the name 'ctm-users@freebsd.org'. So, instead of discussing things on ctm-announce like before, the correct list is now ctm-users@freebsd.org. You can unsubscribe from it by sending email to: ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org Or by logging in here: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users (type in your subscribed email address, click 'send me my password'.. a random password was assigned during the list import.) Other links that might be of interest: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-announce Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 17:39:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9741C37B401 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (sccmmhc02.mchsi.com [204.127.203.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABFA43FB1 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:39:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([12.216.242.20]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030329013906.RWXS8681.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:39:06 +0000 Message-ID: <3E84F93A.2080108@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:39:06 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:39:09 -0000 Welcome to the new ctm-users mailing list. I thought I would get a discussion going by discussing an issue we will face in about nine months time. cvs-cur goes through about 100 deltas per month, which indicates that the current numbering system is going to run out in about nine months. There are several ways to overcome this - for example, to change to a five digit numbering system. However, the quick and dirty method I am currently thinking of using is to simply restart the numbering. This would mean that everyone would have to delete the old cvs-cur directory, and completely restart with a cvs-cur.0100xEmpty.gz. This will be a recurring problem, but only every 8 years or so. On the other hand, one of the writers of the original software has suggested that he might rewrite it to accomodate a 5 digit numbering system. Best, Stephen -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 21:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EB037B401 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fep.internode.on.net (smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net [203.16.214.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE0A43FB1 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from smckay@internode.on.net) Received: from dungeon.home (ppp983.qld.padsl.internode.on.net [150.101.184.214]) by fep.internode.on.net (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h2T5h7ul070588; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:13:08 +1030 (CST) Received: from dungeon.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dungeon.home (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2T5h6Gh004778; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:43:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mckay) Message-Id: <200303290543.h2T5h6Gh004778@dungeon.home> To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <3E84F93A.2080108@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <3E84F93A.2080108@math.missouri.edu> from Stephen Montgomery-Smith at "Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:39:06 -0600" Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:43:06 +1000 From: Stephen McKay cc: ctm-users@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 05:43:14 -0000 On Friday, 28th March 2003, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >On the other hand, one of the writers of the original software has suggested >that he might rewrite it to accomodate a 5 digit numbering system. Yes, I'll look at whether this is easy or not. I expect it will be. If it turns out to be too fiddly, then I suppose resetting to 0000 isn't the worst thing in the world. Plenty of systems have rollovers and survive. Also, in those few moments I have spare I've been thinking of adding heuristics to the ctm system to detect files that have been moved (and possibly slightly edited). This should be 100% correct for unedited and moved files (using the md5 hash), and should guess well for things with the same base name but which have been moved, say, to the Attic. This would reduce the size of a great many deltas, but would be an incompatible change to the format. I don't know if people would object. Any thoughts? Stephen. PS I have no idea how many people use ctm nowadays. Do we have an count? From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 23:42:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A1D37B414 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [210.49.80.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE8544057 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1])h2T7cFM2024815; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:38:16 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jeremyp@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2T7cESE024814; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:38:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:38:13 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Stephen McKay Message-ID: <20030329073813.GA24683@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <3E84F93A.2080108@math.missouri.edu> <200303290543.h2T5h6Gh004778@dungeon.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200303290543.h2T5h6Gh004778@dungeon.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:43:02 -0000 On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 03:43:06PM +1000, Stephen McKay wrote: >Also, in those few moments I have spare I've been thinking of adding >heuristics to the ctm system to detect files that have been moved (and >possibly slightly edited). This should be 100% correct for unedited and >moved files (using the md5 hash), and should guess well for things with >the same base name but which have been moved, say, to the Attic. Perfect file renames will be very rare. I agree that there have been two recent examples (the commitlog renames and CVSROOT split) but this has never happened before and it'll be nearly 8000 years before we need to rename the commitlogs again :-). The quarterly commitlog rotation involves gzip'ing the old file and probably isn't a candidate for short-circuiting. Repository surgery is normally limited to copying files and deleting files from the Attic - other surgical possibilities tend to confuse CVS. Within a CVS repository, repo-copies result in two identical copies (one or both of which are usually edited fairly shortly after the repo-copy). "Deleting" a CVS file (moving it to the Attic) entails a commit which will alter the file contents (to add a log message stating that the file has been deleted). Even outside the repository, CTM is tracking checked out CVS files and virtually all files have a $FreeBSD$ line which will be different for two otherwise identical files. Being able to detect files that have been repo-copied or deleted would be useful - but both cases require mkCTM to detect a slightly changed file. The Attic case is fairly simple to pick up but you can't detect arbitrary repo-copies. It you did decide to define a new CTM statement type, an updated ctm(1) would need to be distributed well before the deltas started using the new features. It would be nice if the updated ctm was distributed in a -RELEASE before updated deltas were circulated - this would mean someone could install the latest -RELEASE and be able to use CTM to bring themselves up to date without having to rebuild ctm partway through. This is practical for 5.1, but 4.9 (if it will be released) is probably too far away. Remember to make sure the changes are MFC'd to -STABLE as well as applied to -CURRENT. It might also be an idea to make a tarball of the updated /usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm/ctm available somewhere near the CTM deltas on the WEB site. >This would reduce the size of a great many deltas, but would be an >incompatible change to the format. I agree it would have saved ~56MB of deltas about a month ago - but I doubt that event will be repeated. I've just checked cvs-cur 9040 through 9109 (which is all I have quickly to hand) and there's been a total of 13MB cvs rm'd in a total of 50MB (uncompressed, 11MB compressed) of deltas. (I wrote a perl script which looked for matching CTMFR and CTMFM commands where the only different was a /Attic/ in the latter and accumulated the CTMFM size). This suggests we'd save about 25% of the delta size (very roughly). Is this worth the effort? > I don't know if people would object. I wouldn't object as long as the updated ctm was available a couple of months before the updated deltas were generated. >PS I have no idea how many people use ctm nowadays. Do we have an count? postmaster@freebsd.org should be able to tell you how many people are on the various mailing lists. An accurate count of people downloading from the FTP sites would take more effort but could probably be derived from the FTP server logs. Peter From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 02:31:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B1F37B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676D743F3F for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18zDcW-0006ES-0D; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:31:28 +0100 Received: from jhs.muc.de (520006753247-0001@[217.235.112.87]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18zDcT-1UnSHwC; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:31:25 +0100 Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2TAVUG12790; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:31:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2TAUw378946; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:31:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200303291031.h2TAUw378946@flip.jhs.private> To: Peter Jeremy In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Jeremy <20030329073813.GA24683@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:30:57 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Sender: 520006753247-0001@t-dialin.net cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: Stephen McKay Subject: Re: cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:31:41 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 03:43:06PM +1000, Stephen McKay wrote: > >PS I have no idea how many people use ctm nowadays. Do we have an count? > postmaster@freebsd.org should be able to tell you how many people are > on the various mailing lists. An accurate count of people downloading > from the FTP sites would take more effort but could probably be derived > from the FTP server logs. Difficult to count: To avoid under counting, one would need logs from all offical mirrors (even if we ignore unofficial & behind firwall mirrors). To avoid over counting, we'd need to avoid double counting people like me, that ftp a few but not all deltas from a local mirror each time the local mail system loses a delta or piece. I also use different email addresses to ftp, & assume some others do that too. Some of those too-big-for-the-mail-system deltas we occasionally ftp manually might give a better index than the smaller via mail deltas, but then again, maybe people manually download those once then share with local friends, though getting their own small deltas direct via ftp or ctm-rmail. I've known others in lurker mode who never say a word on the lists, just download blocks of ctm deltas when they have the urge, time & bandwidth. I think I've also seen CDROMs with CTM collections on (maybe FreeX or elsewhere, can't remember). Sorry to add nothing but uncertainty ! :-) Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 03:00:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277DE37B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 03:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B23643F85 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 03:00:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2TAxtSM004937; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:59:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: "Julian H. Stacey" From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:30:57 +0100." <200303291031.h2TAUw378946@flip.jhs.private> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:59:55 +0100 Message-ID: <4936.1048935595@critter.freebsd.dk> cc: Stephen McKay cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:00:08 -0000 In message <200303291031.h2TAUw378946@flip.jhs.private>, "Julian H. Stacey" wri tes: >Peter Jeremy wrote: >> > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 03:43:06PM +1000, Stephen McKay wrote: >> >PS I have no idea how many people use ctm nowadays. Do we have an count? >> postmaster@freebsd.org should be able to tell you how many people are >> on the various mailing lists. An accurate count of people downloading >> from the FTP sites would take more effort but could probably be derived >> from the FTP server logs. > >Difficult to count: >To avoid under counting, one would need logs from all offical mirrors >(even if we ignore unofficial & behind firwall mirrors). > >To avoid over counting, we'd need to avoid double counting people >like me, that ftp a few but not all deltas from a local mirror each >time the local mail system loses a delta or piece. I also use >different email addresses to ftp, & assume some others do that too. Send out a specially doctored CTM delta which adds a patch which sends back an email -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 08:15:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA0737B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (sccmmhc02.mchsi.com [204.127.203.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C86F43F85 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:15:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([12.216.242.20]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030329161500.VKVY8681.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:15:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3E85C684.3070200@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:15:00 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <3E84F93A.2080108@math.missouri.edu> <200303290543.h2T5h6Gh004778@dungeon.home> <20030329073813.GA24683@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> In-Reply-To: <3E84F93A.2080108@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:15:03 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 03:43:06PM +1000, Stephen McKay wrote: > > > >PS I have no idea how many people use ctm nowadays. Do we have an count? > > > postmaster@freebsd.org should be able to tell you how many people are > on the various mailing lists. An accurate count of people downloading > from the FTP sites would take more effort but could probably be derived > from the FTP server logs. > For what it is worth, Peter Wemm sent me the following figures: Subscribers List 257 ctm-announce 33 ctm-cvs-cur 12 ctm-cvs-cur-fast 14 ctm-gnats 66 ctm-ports-cur 15 ctm-src-2_1 6 ctm-src-2_1-fast 19 ctm-src-2_2 8 ctm-src-2_2-fast 19 ctm-src-3 5 ctm-src-3-fast 54 ctm-src-4 8 ctm-src-4-fast 38 ctm-src-cur 7 ctm-src-cur-fast Note that he has now deleted the 2_1, 2_2 and gnats lists which were receiving no updates. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 08:47:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E877937B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (sccmmhc02.mchsi.com [204.127.203.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5916743FAF for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:47:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([12.216.242.20]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030329164703.VQAL8681.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:47:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3E85CE07.8080203@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:47:03 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MAXSIZE in ctm X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:47:06 -0000 The cvs-cur xEmpty files are now too large for the current ctm to handle. The maximum size of files that ctm can handle is set by MAXSIZE in ctm.h. As far as I can see, the only place that MAXSIZE is used in the code for ctm is in ctm_input.c, and it is only used to test to see if the ctm delta is too large. I have a couple of questions. 1. Do you think that the test for MAXSIZE could be completely removed from the code, and 2. If not, why don't we set MAXSIZE to be something incredibly large, like (1024*1024*1024). -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 14:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF23A37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [210.49.80.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6EE43F85 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:37:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1])h34MbgM2038048 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:37:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jeremyp@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h34Mbgcc038047 for ctm-users@freebsd.org; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:37:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:37:41 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030404223741.GA37898@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: cvs-cur delay X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 22:37:46 -0000 Has anyone seen cvs-cur.9128.gz (or later)? cvs-cur.9127.gz is about 23 hours old but there's nothing more recent on the FTP sites. Peter From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 14:57:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34D037B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (sccmmhc02.mchsi.com [204.127.203.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3804943FBF for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:57:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([12.216.242.20]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030404225737.XHWI24617.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:57:37 +0000 Message-ID: <3E8E0DE1.6070107@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:57:37 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <20030404223741.GA37898@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20030404223741.GA37898@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: cvs-cur delay X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 22:57:39 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > Has anyone seen cvs-cur.9128.gz (or later)? cvs-cur.9127.gz is about > 23 hours old but there's nothing more recent on the FTP sites. > > Peter > If you want something very current (which right now is 9129), ftp.vmunix.org is the most up to date, as it takes its stuff directly from the computer that creates the deltas. Other than that, I think you are simply experiencing slowness in the deltas being propagated. Certainly ftp-master is up to date. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 16:43:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0093F37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from jhs.muc.de (pD9EB7D4D.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.125.77]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1449843FA3 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h350hOT45317; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 02:43:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h350h9153627; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 02:43:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200304050043.h350h9153627@flip.jhs.private> To: Peter Jeremy In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Jeremy <20030404223741.GA37898@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 02:43:09 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs-cur delay X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 00:43:53 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > Has anyone seen cvs-cur.9128.gz (or later)? cvs-cur.9127.gz is about > 23 hours old but there's nothing more recent on the FTP sites. cvs-cur 9130 applied here automatically OK (by mail script) It's stamped Apr 5 02:15, I'm in timezone CEST ie Central European Summer time, 2 hours ahead of Greenwich Mean Time. Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 2 12:40:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1F437B401 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.missouri.edu (math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB42643F3F for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.166]) by math.missouri.edu (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h52JeHfW059287; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:40:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <3EDBA820.8070703@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:40:16 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Organization: University of Missouri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <3E84F93A.2080108@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <3E84F93A.2080108@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Numbering for cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:40:20 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Welcome to the new ctm-users mailing list. I thought I would get a > discussion going by discussing an issue we will face in about nine > months time. cvs-cur goes through about 100 deltas per month, which > indicates that the current numbering system is going to run out in about > nine months. > A while back, someone (I forget who) suggested that I simply try the software out to see what would happen when the 4 digits run out for numbering the cvs-cur deltas. Well, I am happy to report that the programs seem to seemlessly switch to 5 digits. You should see this happen with cvs-cur sometime at the end of this year. The change should be largely transparent. (If a problem should later arise, I will deal with it then, probably by restarting at 100.) Best, Stephen -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 2 12:50:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E8037B401 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2840043F75 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52Jo9nA014555; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:50:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:40:16 CDT." <3EDBA820.8070703@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:50:09 +0200 Message-ID: <14554.1054583409@critter.freebsd.dk> cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Numbering for cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:50:14 -0000 In message <3EDBA820.8070703@math.missouri.edu>, Stephen Montgomery-Smith write s: >Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >> Welcome to the new ctm-users mailing list. I thought I would get a >> discussion going by discussing an issue we will face in about nine >> months time. cvs-cur goes through about 100 deltas per month, which >> indicates that the current numbering system is going to run out in about >> nine months. >> > >A while back, someone (I forget who) suggested that I simply try the >software out to see what would happen when the 4 digits run out for >numbering the cvs-cur deltas. Well, I am happy to report that the >programs seem to seemlessly switch to 5 digits. You should see this >happen with cvs-cur sometime at the end of this year. The change should >be largely transparent. (If a problem should later arise, I will deal >with it then, probably by restarting at 100.) You guys have _no_ idea how amazed I am that this would ever become an issue :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 2 13:11:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB26837B401 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from da.mailomat.net (mailomat.net [212.185.46.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BD243F85 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:11:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ap@bnc.net) Received: This line has been intentionally left blank. Received: from colossus.bnc.net ([212.202.5.188]) (user=bnc.mail mech=PLAIN bits=0) by da.mailomat.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52K458J093479; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:04:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ap@bnc.net) Received: from [194.39.192.154] (hyperion.wlan.bnc.net [194.39.192.154]) by colossus.bnc.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h52KBYZ0048805; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:11:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ap@bnc.net) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 22:11:23 +0200 From: Achim Patzner To: Poul-Henning Kamp , Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14554.1054583409@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Numbering for cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:11:56 -0000 Am 02.06.2003 21:50 Uhr schrieb "Poul-Henning Kamp" unter : > You guys have _no_ idea how amazed I am that this would ever become > an issue :-) "There is a market for about five computers worldwide." "Nobody would ever want to have a computer at home." (K. Olsen) "Nobody will ever need more than 640 KB RAM." Nice neighbourhood, isn't it? 8-))) Achim From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 2 22:05:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8107437B404 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net [203.16.214.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397DD43F85 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smckay@internode.on.net) Received: from dungeon.home (ppp894.qld.padsl.internode.on.net [150.101.184.125])h5355ECT024208; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:35:14 +0930 (CST) Received: from dungeon.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dungeon.home (8.12.8p1/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5355DCG009297; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:05:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mckay) Message-Id: <200306030505.h5355DCG009297@dungeon.home> To: Poul-Henning Kamp References: <14554.1054583409@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <14554.1054583409@critter.freebsd.dk> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at "Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:50:09 +0200" Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 15:05:13 +1000 From: Stephen McKay cc: ctm-users@FreeBSD.org cc: Stephen McKay Subject: Re: Numbering for cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:05:24 -0000 On Monday, 2nd June 2003, "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: >In message <3EDBA820.8070703@math.missouri.edu>, Stephen Montgomery-Smith writes: >>A while back, someone (I forget who) suggested that I simply try the >>software out to see what would happen when the 4 digits run out for >>numbering the cvs-cur deltas. Well, I am happy to report that the >>programs seem to seemlessly switch to 5 digits. You should see this >>happen with cvs-cur sometime at the end of this year. The change should >>be largely transparent. (If a problem should later arise, I will deal >>with it then, probably by restarting at 100.) Ah, that would be me. I also read the code in case it was working just by chance (by overflowing buffers or similar) and my expectation is we should be able to go to about 10 digits, ie the limits of a signed 32 bit integer. Enough, I think. :-) >You guys have _no_ idea how amazed I am that this would ever become >an issue :-) It's hard to explain but it's just so handy having the source plop into my mailbox, even though it's been a long time since I've had to use a dialup modem. Comfy like an old shoe! ;-) Stephen. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 6 13:24:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1186737B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA8E43F3F for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:24:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-242-20.client.mchsi.com[12.216.242.20]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030606202403im200ad4v2e>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:24:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3EE0F863.1000105@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 15:24:03 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problems with gnupgp X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:24:05 -0000 As the person running the computers that generate the ctm deltas, I am having problems with using gnupgp to sign the ctm deltas that are going out. If I use gnupgp-1.0.4 it works fine. But if I use any later version, it does not work. Basically the command used to run gnupgp is cat passphrase message | gpg --passphrase-fd 0 --force-v3-sigs --clearsign--no-secmem-warning --batch and the response is gpg: [don't know]: invalid packet (ctb=73) gpg: keydb_search failed: invalid packet gpg: key C380B4D8: secret key without public key - skipped gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available If I run gnupgp-1.0.4 I still get error messages: Reading passphrase from file descriptor 0 You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for user: "gpg: [don't know]: invalid packet (ctb=73) near 1 gpg: read_keyblock: read error: invalid packet gpg: enum_keyblocks failed: invalid keyring [User id not found]" but gnupgp still produces a signed message as its output. I am hoping that one of you ctm users would know about this. If not I will try out a gnupgp mailing list. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 01:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412AA37B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 153-bem-1.acn.waw.pl (153-bem-1.acn.waw.pl [62.121.80.153]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D94AE43F75 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lukasz.stelmach@k.telmark.waw.pl) Received: (qmail 17699 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Jun 2003 08:41:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:41:30 +0200 From: Lukasz Stelmach To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20030616084130.GA17648@tygrys.klucz> References: <3EE0F863.1000105@math.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EE0F863.1000105@math.missouri.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Mail-Editor: nvi X-GPG-Fingerprint: 68B8 6D4F 0C5E 291F C4E0 BBF4 35DC D8F2 C9BD 2BDC X-GPG-Key: http://www.ee.pw.edu.pl/~stelmacl/gpg_key.txt cc: ctm-users@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problems with gnupgp X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:41:34 -0000 --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Byla godzina 15:24:03 w Friday 06 June, gdy do autobusu wsiadl kanar i wrzasnal:"Stephen Montgomery-Smith!!! Bilecik do kontroli!!!" A on(a) na= to: [...] SMS> it does not work. Basically the command used to run gnupgp is SMS>=20 SMS> cat passphrase message | gpg --passphrase-fd 0 --force-v3-sigs=20 SMS> --clearsign--no-secmem-warning --batch Havent you forgot to "--sign"? SMS> and the response is SMS>=20 SMS> gpg: [don't know]: invalid packet (ctb=3D73) [...] Gpg is trying to treat data on stdin as pgp packet. Czym sie cieplo Stephen... --=20 |/ |_, _ .- --, Ju=BF z ka=BFdej strony pe=B3zn=B1, potworne rz= =B1dze |__ |_|. | \ |_|. ._' /_. B=EAd=EA uprawia=B3 nierz=B1d, za pieni= =B1ze --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+7YK5NdzY8sm9K9wRAjBiAKCP4u3Es81xMt9Bi/f2xgQECeGeCQCbBpk9 hgP2M/lPuwoS32/OA+rBC6I= =Id2B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 15:06:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7C837B401; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0A443FA3; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from tower.berklix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h5GM6cr6021349; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:06:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.org) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h5GM6Onj021348; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:06:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:06:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Julian Stacey Message-Id: <200306162206.h5GM6Onj021348@tower.berklix.org> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Fcc: sent-mail In-Reply-To: Message from Mark Murray <200306162001.h5GK1wHh091586@grimreaper.grondar.org> cc: Mark Murray Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:06:32 -0000 I forwarded Mark's article with changed headers: as it seems to me ctm-users@ would be more interested/ affected. From To: current@freebsd.org From: Mark Murray To To: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: Mark Murray bcc: current@freebsd.org -------- Mark Murray wrote: > Hi all > > Last time I looked, we had _very_ few CTM users. > > Is there any reason that the CTM stuff should not be a port? > > M > -- > Mark Murray > iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" - Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 15:29:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B45437B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6965A43FBF for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:29:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from tower.berklix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h5GMTHr6021417; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:29:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.org) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h5GMT4WG021414; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:29:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200306162229.h5GMT4WG021414@tower.berklix.org> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Fcc: sent-mail From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/vsl/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:01:58 BST." <200306162001.h5GK1wHh091586@grimreaper.grondar.org> cc: Mark Murray Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:29:11 -0000 Mark Murray wrote (to current@, but thread [also] merits response by those most affected: ctm-users@ : > Last time I looked, we had _very_ few CTM users. I use CTM (even though I have DSL flat rate). Apart from direct subscribers, there may be people on exploders. CTM Generator Stephen Montgomery-Smith (cc'd) might know, At least one friend used to ftp the deltas, but didn't get them by subscription. Other friend used to copy my local copy (no longer, but maybe others do). What with the mirrors, one can't know who gets it that way. Occasionally they end up on magazine CDROMs too etc. > Is there any reason that the CTM stuff should not be a port? Try inverting the question ! Or to be fair to all, phrase question neutraly: "Would on balance, after all aspects & users etc are considered, FreeBSD be a better or worse `product', if CTM was in src/ or ports/ ? " My Opinion, FWIW: I recall the source is small, please leave CTM in src/. My 2c.: Throw out 4M of games/ if you need to save space. Other opinions ? (Don't forget to cc: Mark Murray who may not be on this ctm-users@freebsd.org list) - Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 15:52:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1D737B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail3.alcanet.com.au [208.178.117.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F3943FA3 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:52:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])h5GMq2vc022932; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:52:02 +1000 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.20.247]) by sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.12) with ESMTP id 2003061708501888:2692 ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:50:18 +1000 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h5GMq1Dg005137; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:52:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.8/8.12.5/Submit) id h5GMq1QH005136; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:52:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:52:01 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Julian Stacey Message-ID: <20030616225201.GP273@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> References: <200306162001.h5GK1wHh091586@grimreaper.grondar.org> <200306162229.h5GMT4WG021414@tower.berklix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200306162229.h5GMT4WG021414@tower.berklix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 17/06/2003 08:50:18 AM,|February 13, 2003) at 17/06/2003 08:50:19 AM, Serialize complete at 17/06/2003 08:50:19 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: Mark Murray Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:52:27 -0000 On 2003-Jun-17 00:29:04 +0200, Julian Stacey wrote: >Mark Murray wrote >> Last time I looked, we had _very_ few CTM users. Does this include people who FTP the CTM deltas or just those on the mailing lists? >At least one friend used to ftp the deltas, but didn't get them by >subscription. I get CTM by mail at work - CVSup isn't an option due to firewall restrictions (no outgoing access other than FTP and HTTP). At home, I normally FTP the CTM files - I find it more convenient than CVSup since I understand how it all fits together and can easily move the deltas between systems. It also has the advantage of being part of the base system (and doesn't pull in Modula-2). >Occasionally they end up on magazine CDROMs too etc. The xEmpty files should also form a convenient way to initialise part of the tree. I suspect downloading an xEmpty file is smaller than CVSup'ing from nothing, even if you then use CVSup to update. >> Is there any reason that the CTM stuff should not be a port? Personally, I would prefer CTM to stay part of the base system - but that's because I use it. Taking a less self-centred viewpoint, especially given that CVSup is a port, there's probably not a great deal of justification for having CTM in the base system. >"Would on balance, after all aspects & users etc are considered, >FreeBSD be a better or worse `product', if CTM was in src/ or ports/ ? " What we need is an intermediate category for packages that are maintained within the FreeBSD project but not in src/. This is part of the ongoing (never-ending) attempt to modularise FreeBSD. >My 2c.: Throw out 4M of games/ if you need to save space. AFAIK, they've already been moved to ports. Peter From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 17:15:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26D437B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2098943FA3 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:15:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au with ESMTP id h5H0G17U011353 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:46:01 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:45:39 +0930 Received: from ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.81])h5H06q806084; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:36:52 +0930 (CST) Received: by ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:36:46 +0930 Message-ID: <5F13229E7BA2D611BD0300306E010DB011B13E@ednex503.dsto.defence.gov.au> From: "Thyer, Matthew" To: "'Mark Murray'" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:36:59 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" cc: "'ctm-users@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: CTM - any users left? (fwd) X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:15:52 -0000 Some of us have to use CTM due to restrictive firewalls. I'm quite happy for it to be a port as long as there continues to be a way to update my repository by email. -----Original Message----- From: Wilkinson,Alex [mailto:Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:34 AM To: matthew.thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:06:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Julian Stacey To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Cc: Mark Murray Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? I forwarded Mark's article with changed headers: as it seems to me ctm-users@ would be more interested/ affected. From To: current@freebsd.org From: Mark Murray To To: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: Mark Murray bcc: current@freebsd.org -------- Mark Murray wrote: > Hi all > > Last time I looked, we had _very_ few CTM users. > > Is there any reason that the CTM stuff should not be a port? > > M > -- > Mark Murray > iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" - Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 22:18:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BA337B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sep.oldach.net (sep.oldach.net [194.180.25.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F10143F85 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:18:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: from sep.oldach.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])h5H5HolT061305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:17:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by sep.oldach.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5H5HcnQ061297; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:17:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hmo) Message-Id: <200306170517.h5H5HcnQ061297@sep.oldach.net> In-Reply-To: <20030616225201.GP273@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> from Peter Jeremy at "Jun 17, 2003 8:52: 1 am" To: peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au (Peter Jeremy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:17:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Helge Oldach X-Message-Flag: No HTML mail please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: jhs@berklix.org cc: mark@grondar.org Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:18:28 -0000 Peter Jeremy: > On 2003-Jun-17 00:29:04 +0200, Julian Stacey wrote: > >At least one friend used to ftp the deltas, but didn't get them by > >subscription. > > I get CTM by mail at work - CVSup isn't an option due to firewall > restrictions (no outgoing access other than FTP and HTTP). > > At home, I normally FTP the CTM files - I find it more convenient than > CVSup since I understand how it all fits together and can easily move > the deltas between systems. It also has the advantage of being part > of the base system (and doesn't pull in Modula-2). ACK! Plus, the modification time of the CTM deltas is maintained when they are obtained through ftp, and then the modification time of the src/ files is maintained through "ctm -u". This provides a rough idea at what point in time a specific src file was changed, to easily correlate with mailing lists. Personally I obtain deltas through ftp, and distribute them further through rsync (which also works through firewalls). I don't object moving CTM to ports however. I don't care. But CTM is a pretty small piece - why take the effort to change the current mode of operation? Helge From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 01:28:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DC737B401; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gidgate.gid.co.uk (gid.co.uk [194.32.164.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0180B43F75; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:28:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: (from rb@localhost) by gidgate.gid.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5H8Sfj10390; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:28:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030617092633.0414b758@gid.co.uk> X-Sender: rbmail@gid.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:28:39 +0100 To: Julian Stacey , ctm-users@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org From: Bob Bishop In-Reply-To: <200306162206.h5GM6Onj021348@tower.berklix.org> References: <200306162001.h5GK1wHh091586@grimreaper.grondar.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: Mark Murray Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:28:45 -0000 Hi, Perhaps postmaster@ (CC'd) can tell us how many subscribers ctm-users@ has, as another data point. At 23:06 16/6/03, Julian Stacey wrote: >I forwarded Mark's article with changed headers: >as it seems to me ctm-users@ would be more interested/ affected. >From > To: current@freebsd.org > From: Mark Murray >To > To: ctm-users@freebsd.org > cc: Mark Murray > bcc: current@freebsd.org > >-------- >Mark Murray wrote: > > Hi all > > > > Last time I looked, we had _very_ few CTM users. > > > > Is there any reason that the CTM stuff should not be a port? > > > > M > > -- > > Mark Murray > > iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >- >Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. > Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 977 4017 rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 (0)118 989 4254 From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 02:00:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE2B37B506 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D76D43FCB for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (Ugrondar@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5H90F1f071933; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:00:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: (from Ugrondar@localhost)h5H90F7v071932; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:00:15 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: storm.FreeBSD.org.uk: Ugrondar set sender to mark@grondar.org using -f Received: from grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])h5H8uoHh097154; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:56:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) From: Mark Murray Message-Id: <200306170856.h5H8uoHh097154@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Bob Bishop In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:28:39 BST." <4.3.2.7.2.20030617092633.0414b758@gid.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:56:50 +0100 Sender: mark@grondar.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FROM_NO_LOWER,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:00:40 -0000 Bob Bishop writes: > Hi, > > Perhaps postmaster@ (CC'd) can tell us how many subscribers ctm-users@ has, > as another data point. I already know that :-). The real datapoint I was looking for was any objections. There were some, mainly of the form "I use it so please keep it in base". Only one so far has been a "hard" objection, the rest have pretty much said "I can see why you want to do this" and "makes sense, cvsup(1) is not in base". M > > At 23:06 16/6/03, Julian Stacey wrote: > >I forwarded Mark's article with changed headers: > >as it seems to me ctm-users@ would be more interested/ affected. > >From > > To: current@freebsd.org > > From: Mark Murray > >To > > To: ctm-users@freebsd.org > > cc: Mark Murray > > bcc: current@freebsd.org > > > >-------- > >Mark Murray wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > > > Last time I looked, we had _very_ few CTM users. > > > > > > Is there any reason that the CTM stuff should not be a port? > > > > > > M > > > -- > > > Mark Murray > > > iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > >- > >Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. > > Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > -- > Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 977 4017 > rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 (0)118 989 4254 > -- Mark Murray iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 05:00:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2546637B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7507143FA3 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:00:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HC0Nab053329; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@bunrab.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5HC0LbZ053327; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200306171200.h5HC0LbZ053327@bunrab.catwhisker.org> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org, jhs@berklix.org, rb@gid.co.uk In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030617092633.0414b758@gid.co.uk> cc: mark@grondar.org Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:00:37 -0000 >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:28:39 +0100 >To: Julian Stacey , ctm-users@freebsd.org, >From: Bob Bishop >Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? >Cc: Mark Murray >Perhaps postmaster@ (CC'd) can tell us how many subscribers ctm-users@ has, >as another data point. %../bin/list_members ctm-users | wc -l 247 % Peace, david (current hat: postmaster@freebsd.org) -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Based on what I have seen to date, the use of Microsoft products is not consistent with reliability. I recommend FreeBSD for reliable systems. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 10:08:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6037337B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgr2.xmission.com (mgr2.xmission.com [198.60.22.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D84D43F93 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:08:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from mail by mgr2.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19SJwV-0008Pt-02 for ctm-users@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:08:24 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr2.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19SJwJ-0008HH-02; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:08:12 -0600 Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HHEGBM007831; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5HHE8sn007828; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:14:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:14:08 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Julian Stacey Message-ID: <20030617171408.GA7693@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <200306162001.h5GK1wHh091586@grimreaper.grondar.org> <200306162229.h5GMT4WG021414@tower.berklix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306162229.h5GMT4WG021414@tower.berklix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.9 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: Mark Murray Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:08:26 -0000 On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 12:29:04AM +0200, Julian Stacey wrote: > At least one friend used to ftp the deltas, but didn't get them by > subscription. Other friend used to copy my local copy (no longer, but maybe > others do). What with the mirrors, one can't know who gets it that way. > Occasionally they end up on magazine CDROMs too etc. I have a Perl script (ambitiously called ctmup :) to automate the downloading and installing of CTM deltas via FTP (even though I could use CVSup, CTM was faster). I used this up until a short time before I became a committer (I needed CVS diff :), although I was never subscribed to the email updates. So, I concur that not everybody who uses ctm is subscribed to the email updates, FWIW. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 11:40:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4735937B40B for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0873943F3F for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (Ugrondar@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HIeM1f078476; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:40:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: (from Ugrondar@localhost)h5HIeMZD078475; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:40:22 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: storm.FreeBSD.org.uk: Ugrondar set sender to mark@grondar.org using -f Received: from grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])h5HIbxHh002133; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:37:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) From: Mark Murray Message-Id: <200306171837.h5HIbxHh002133@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Greg Lewis In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:14:08 MDT." <20030617171408.GA7693@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:37:59 +0100 Sender: mark@grondar.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FROM_NO_LOWER,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:40:25 -0000 Greg Lewis writes: > I have a Perl script (ambitiously called ctmup :) to automate the > downloading and installing of CTM deltas via FTP (even though I could > use CVSup, CTM was faster). I used this up until a short time before > I became a committer (I needed CVS diff :), although I was never > subscribed to the email updates. > > So, I concur that not everybody who uses ctm is subscribed to the > email updates, FWIW. All this is adding up to overwhelming evidence for CTM being perfectly home as a port, no? M -- Mark Murray iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 14:21:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8894537B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C641443F85 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-242-20.client.mchsi.com[12.216.242.20]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030617212108im200ae9aqe>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:21:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3EEF8643.1040900@math.missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:21:07 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Murray References: <200306171837.h5HIbxHh002133@grimreaper.grondar.org> In-Reply-To: <200306171837.h5HIbxHh002133@grimreaper.grondar.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:21:09 -0000 I think that there are actually some benefits to making ctm into a port. Right now ctm does not work properly with the very latest cvs-xEmpty deltas, because ctm does not handle files that large. I submitted a PR a while back, but last I checked nothing has happened with it. But if ctm were a port, I think that these kinds of fixes would take place a lot faster. I think that we would need to update the CTM documentation to reflect this change, but actually I think the CTM documentation needs some changes anyway. Indeed when I started out using CTM, I found the docs quite confusing, and it was only through a process of trial and error that I figured it out. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 15:15:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1FC37B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CDB43F93 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (Ugrondar@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HMFK1f081190; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:15:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: (from Ugrondar@localhost)h5HMFKOB081189; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:15:20 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: storm.FreeBSD.org.uk: Ugrondar set sender to mark@grondar.org using -f Received: from grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])h5HMARHh004335; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:10:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) From: Mark Murray Message-Id: <200306172210.h5HMARHh004335@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:21:07 CDT." <3EEF8643.1040900@math.missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:10:27 +0100 Sender: mark@grondar.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FROM_NO_LOWER,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:15:23 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith writes: > I think that there are actually some benefits to making ctm into a > port. Right now ctm does not work properly with the very latest > cvs-xEmpty deltas, because ctm does not handle files that large. I > submitted a PR a while back, but last I checked nothing has happened > with it. But if ctm were a port, I think that these kinds of fixes > would take place a lot faster. Conceivable. > I think that we would need to update the CTM documentation to reflect > this change, but actually I think the CTM documentation needs some > changes anyway. > > Indeed when I started out using CTM, I found the docs quite confusing, > and it was only through a process of trial and error that I figured it > out. CTM was quite a clever hack at the time it was conceived, but it never really made it out of "hack" status. The CTM builder is as fragile as hell (I did the job myself a few years ago), and is incredibly resource hungry. It buys its owner very little, and its returns are really only in the goodwill department. If it is really useful, it really needs someone to own it from the builder downwards, and it needs a strong update to bring it into the 21st century. M -- Mark Murray iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 16:34:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720D237B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgr6.xmission.com (mgr6.xmission.com [198.60.22.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF94843FAF for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:34:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from mail by mgr6.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19SPyT-0002Ce-06 for ctm-users@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:34:50 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr6.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19SPyQ-0002Ax-06; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:34:47 -0600 Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5HNeqBM013507; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:40:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5HNeoRR013506; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:40:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:40:49 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Mark Murray Message-ID: <20030617234049.GA13448@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20030617171408.GA7693@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <200306171837.h5HIbxHh002133@grimreaper.grondar.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306171837.h5HIbxHh002133@grimreaper.grondar.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.9 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:34:51 -0000 On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 07:37:59PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: > Greg Lewis writes: > > I have a Perl script (ambitiously called ctmup :) to automate the > > downloading and installing of CTM deltas via FTP (even though I could > > use CVSup, CTM was faster). I used this up until a short time before > > I became a committer (I needed CVS diff :), although I was never > > subscribed to the email updates. > > > > So, I concur that not everybody who uses ctm is subscribed to the > > email updates, FWIW. > > All this is adding up to overwhelming evidence for CTM being > perfectly home as a port, no? I have no objections to that, just adding to the data point that the size of the mailing list != size of the user base. I'll even offer to help out with getting PRs committed for such a port. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 17:59:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E8E37B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949E143F93 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:59:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-242-20.client.mchsi.com[12.216.242.20]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20030618005944im200ae94oe>; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:59:44 +0000 Message-ID: <3EEFB980.8050805@math.missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:59:44 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Murray References: <200306172210.h5HMARHh004335@grimreaper.grondar.org> In-Reply-To: <200306172210.h5HMARHh004335@grimreaper.grondar.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:59:46 -0000 Mark Murray wrote: > Stephen Montgomery-Smith writes: > > > > CTM was quite a clever hack at the time it was conceived, but it never > really made it out of "hack" status. The CTM builder is as fragile as > hell (I did the job myself a few years ago), and is incredibly resource > hungry. It buys its owner very little, and its returns are really only > in the goodwill department. If it is really useful, it really needs > someone to own it from the builder downwards, and it needs a strong > update to bring it into the 21st century. > I don't think ctm is so fragile. I have been maintaining it now for a few years, and it has survived a couple of disk crashes and such like. One place it might be considered fragile from the end user point of view is that if he/she makes any change to the source code, that future CTM applications will fail when they try to update in the same place. I will agree that it is resource hungry. It might be worth rethinking how mkctm works. It first uses cvsup and cvs to update its own copies of the sources, so maybe it could cleverly use the outputs from these programs to limit which parts of the sources need updating. (The other possibility is to wait another five years, then the computers will handle it in no time at all.) Anyway, right now I don't really have the time to invest in making these fixes. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 19 13:03:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E1337B401 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.enternet.hu (smtp.enternet.hu [62.112.192.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE63E43FA3 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:03:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nagylzs@freemail.hu) Received: from freemail.hu (3e70dc9a.adsl.enternet.hu [62.112.220.154]) by smtp.enternet.hu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5JK3Qkh069527 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:03:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nagylzs@freemail.hu) Message-ID: <3EF21721.1080600@freemail.hu> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:03:45 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Nagy_L=E1szl=F3_Zsolt?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Totally newbie X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:03:36 -0000 Hi All! I'm totally new to FreeBSD. I used Linux before but I decided to try FreeBSD. I just downloaded FreeBSD 4.8 from a public ftp site and installed a brand new system with X and full development tools. I have some questions before I can start. It seems that the installer requires only the first CD but I have two CDs. I could not find a way to instruct the installer program to use it. What did I wrong? My second question. I read about the differences between Linux and FreeBSD. I like the idea that there is only one official FreeBSD. I'm going to develop cross platform, multi tiered applications using Python and it is nice to have a free and compact system which I can offer to my clients. But I need other packages like "wxPython", "PyCrypto" and others for my work. I know I can download the source code and compile them but I read the comparision where someone said FreeBSD is even better than Debian in this matter. This was one reason why I decided to use FreeBSD. So I'm looking for the FreeBSD equivalent of apt-get in Debian. Can you help me? I'm sorry for the long e-mail. Thanks in advance. Laci 1.0 From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 19 23:12:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0888137B401 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net [203.16.214.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EC343F3F for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:12:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smckay@internode.on.net) Received: from dungeon.home (ppp155.qld.padsl.internode.on.net [150.101.176.154])h5K6CZ7R038948; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:42:35 +0930 (CST) Received: from dungeon.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dungeon.home (8.12.8p1/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5K6CTgK005609; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:12:34 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mckay) Message-Id: <200306200612.h5K6CTgK005609@dungeon.home> To: Mark Murray References: <200306170856.h5H8uoHh097154@grimreaper.grondar.org> In-Reply-To: <200306170856.h5H8uoHh097154@grimreaper.grondar.org> from Mark Murray at "Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:56:50 +0100" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:12:29 +1000 From: Stephen McKay cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM - any users left? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:12:43 -0000 On Tuesday, 17th June 2003, Mark Murray wrote: >The real datapoint I was looking for was any objections. There were some, >mainly of the form "I use it so please keep it in base". Only one so far >has been a "hard" objection, the rest have pretty much said "I can see why >you want to do this" and "makes sense, cvsup(1) is not in base". Cvsup is also the baby of one particular person, so it has a well-defined home. If ctm is removed from the base system, where does its source live? Who has access to that repository? In particular, do *I* have access to that repository (since I occasionally work on ctm)? If these things are more than trivial to handle then it is easier all round to leave it where it is. It's small, after all. Stephen. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 00:00:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA2F16A4C0 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.oisca.org (mail.oisca.org [164.46.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FAC43FE3 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from r_ikeda@oisca.org) Received: from OISCA (f194.ag236.FreeBit.NE.JP [219.109.236.194]) by mail.oisca.org (8.11.6p2/8.11.3) with SMTP id h8A70Op31317 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:00:25 +0900 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:58:05 +0900 From: "Rommel B. Ikeda" To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030910065805.68a3cda2.r_ikeda@oisca.org> Organization: OISCA-International X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: A Newbie and need some information X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:00:28 -0000 Hi, I am a Newbie to FreeBSD and DO NOT KNOW ABOUT CTM...(maybe a little...to just made me wanted to subscribe in this list). Please listen to my case: I have tried to configure my FreeBSD to use cvsup to update my sources and ports...But, I think I have a problem with our LAN here...and only the person who is in-charge of our Computer Room can help me...UNFORTUNATELY, I do not think he can help me in matters about FreeBSD because, he has not that quite of an idea about FreeBSD...Although, I am trying to gather information of how to solve my problem regarding our LAN connection... Since, I can not use cvsup to update my sources and ports...FOR THE TIME BEING...I was hoping that I could use CTM...FOR THE TIME BEING...Is this possible...? I need to update my sources and ports because I want to install some programs needed for me to use in the office...Please inform me in I am right in my decision to try CTM for the moment... Thank you, Rommel B. Ikeda From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 04:32:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DA816A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 04:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B713A43FB1 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 04:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from tower.berklix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8ABWUnI023996 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:32:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.org) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h8ABWKhZ023995; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:32:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:32:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200309101132.h8ABWKhZ023995@tower.berklix.org> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/vsl/ Subject: Bytecount too large: cvs-cur.9400xEmpty.gz X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:32:31 -0000 I suggest the boundary limitations fix in 5.x be extended in the CVS tree to also include 4.x if possible ? (4.9 prerelease is mentioned on -stable). Background: With this cvs-cur.9400xEmpty.gz md5 5eb65d441f8b68e7cbb4174971124a62 438560115 bytes ctm -v /pri/FreeBSD/development/CTM/cvs-cur/cvs-cur.9400xEmpty.gz on 4.5-RELEASE & 4.8-RELEASE fails with /pri/FreeBSD/development/CTM/cvs-cur/cvs-cur.9400xEmpty.gz \ Fatal error: Bytecount too large. ( It wasn't my TMPDIR running short of space, partition for that directory had 3G free. ) 5.1-RELEASE works OK. ( It doesnt have the frequently increased MAXSIZE in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm/ctm/ctm.h but I guess someone who read this list knows what / where the fix is ? ) - Julian Stacey Freelance Internet Consultant & Systems Engineer, Muenchen. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 11:08:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97D016A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.missouri.edu (math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DB143FAF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:08:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.166]) by math.missouri.edu (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h8AI8qVO079363 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:08:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <3F5F68B4.6010805@math.missouri.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:08:52 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Organization: University of Missouri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030904 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <200309101132.h8ABWKhZ023995@tower.berklix.org> In-Reply-To: <200309101132.h8ABWKhZ023995@tower.berklix.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bytecount too large: cvs-cur.9400xEmpty.gz X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:08:53 -0000 Julian Stacey wrote: > I suggest the boundary limitations fix in 5.x be extended in the CVS tree > to also include 4.x if possible ? (4.9 prerelease is mentioned on -stable). > This is the PR I submitted: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=50461 Does anyone on this list have the ability to commit this? -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 18:39:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4994616A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E28643FE0 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:39:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smckay@internode.on.net) Received: from dungeon.home (ppp191-23.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net [150.101.191.23])h8B1cwVA065554; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:08:58 +0930 (CST) Received: from dungeon.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dungeon.home (8.12.8p1/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8B1cvww006900; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:38:57 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mckay) Message-Id: <200309110138.h8B1cvww006900@dungeon.home> To: Julian Stacey References: <200309101132.h8ABWKhZ023995@tower.berklix.org> In-Reply-To: <200309101132.h8ABWKhZ023995@tower.berklix.org> from "Julian Stacey" at "Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:32:20 +0200" Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:38:57 +1000 From: Stephen McKay cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: Stephen McKay Subject: Re: Bytecount too large: cvs-cur.9400xEmpty.gz X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:39:32 -0000 On Wednesday, 10th September 2003, "Julian Stacey" wrote: >I suggest the boundary limitations fix in 5.x be extended in the CVS tree >to also include 4.x if possible ? (4.9 prerelease is mentioned on -stable). I merged the fix into -stable back in July. Hence 4.9 will be fine. Until then you could just delete the check from the source and recompile. Stephen. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 19:22:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F64E16A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.oisca.org (mail.oisca.org [164.46.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C9843F85 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from r_ikeda@oisca.org) Received: from OISCA (fb170149.ot.FreeBit.NE.JP [61.203.170.149]) by mail.oisca.org (8.11.6p2/8.11.3) with SMTP id h8B2M0p01899; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:22:01 +0900 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:19:42 +0900 From: "Rommel B. Ikeda" To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-Id: <20030911021942.0bdac520.r_ikeda@oisca.org> In-Reply-To: <3F5F667E.1040308@math.missouri.edu> References: <20030910065805.68a3cda2.r_ikeda@oisca.org> <3F5F667E.1040308@math.missouri.edu> Organization: OISCA-International X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: How to use CTM X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:22:06 -0000 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Thank you very much for the reply... > CTM will certainly help you in your current situation. If you need any > help getting it to go, send me a message. The instructions on the > freebsd web page are quite good, but confusing in places. I am really in need of your help... I think I should summarize my situation here: First I tried to find out if I have ctm installed in my system: $ whereis ctm ctm: /usr/sbin/ctm /usr/share/man/man1/ctm.1.gz /usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm Judging from the above result, I think I have it installed... Now where will I go? I read in the handbook that I could use CTM in 2 ways: First I can download them (deltas?) through FTP and Second I can have them Emailed to me. I think, I should use the latter: Since I have installed FreeBSD 5.1 CURRENT in my Laptop, Do I have to subscribe to the "ctm-ports-cur" and "ctm-src-cur" mailing list so that I would be able to receive the necessary deltas? If these are not the firts things that I should do please point me to the right direction... Thank you very much, Rommel B. Ikeda OISCA-International From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 20 18:44:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019F116A4B3 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.oisca.org (mail.oisca.org [164.46.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E095A43FCB for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:44:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from r_ikeda@oisca.org) Received: from oisca.org (149.170.203.61.ap.yournet.ne.jp [61.203.170.149]) (authenticated)h9L1MZu20719 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:22:35 +0900 Message-ID: <3F940B15.3040702@oisca.org> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:19:33 +0900 From: "Rommel B. IKEDA" Organization: OISCA-International User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030927 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CTM Users Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How to use ctm_rmail... X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: r_ikeda@oisca.org List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:44:09 -0000 I have been downloading ports-cur deltas for a few days now and I have to admit that I have been perfectly able to update my ports perfectly... Yesterday, I subscribe to ctm-ports-cur@freebsd.org to receive ports-cur deltas through Email...and I have.... Today, I have been reading the man pages of "ctm" and "ctm_rmail" but I am afraid that my brain could not comprehend completely what was written in the man pages that I have been having problems in using "ctm_rmail"... Can anyone give me a hint on how to use "ctm_rmail" to update ports-cur deltas... I am using Mozilla Mail...and in my $USER directory is the hidden ".Mozilla" where my Mail Folder is located...This is the correct path... /usr/r_ikeda/.mozilla/r_ikeda/fsx2j0tq.slt/Mail/192.168.1.5/Inbox.sbd/FreeBSD.sbd Thank you for whatever hints and advice that you could give me... Rommel B. Ikeda From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 20 19:00:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC64B16A4B3 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail2.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A7F43F3F for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from sydsmtp02.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])h9L20jfS000642; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:00:46 +1000 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.20.247]) by sydsmtp02.alcatel.com.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.12) with ESMTP id 2003102112004527:51687 ; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:00:45 +1000 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9L20j7d045072; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:00:45 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h9L20jOo045071; Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:00:45 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:00:44 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: "Rommel B. IKEDA" Message-ID: <20031021020044.GM91404@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> References: <3F940B15.3040702@oisca.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3F940B15.3040702@oisca.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on SYDSMTP02/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 21/10/2003 12:00:45 PM,|February 13, 2003) at 21/10/2003 12:00:46 PM, Serialize complete at 21/10/2003 12:00:46 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline cc: CTM Users Subject: Re: How to use ctm_rmail... X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:00:50 -0000 On 2003-Oct-21 01:19:33 +0900, "Rommel B. IKEDA" wrote: >Can anyone give me a hint on how to use "ctm_rmail" to update ports-cur >deltas... Pre-work: - Install pgp - Create directories $HOME/pieces and $HOME/deltas - Fetch the CTM pgp key and add it to your keyring For each mail message, pipe it to: /usr/local/bin/pgpv -f | \ /usr/sbin/ctm_rmail -f -v -p $HOME/pieces -d $HOME/deltas To actually apply the deltas: ctm_rmail -uv -b /usr/ports -d $HOME/deltas I have an alias for my ctm mail and sendmail automatically invokes a script that includes the pgpk|ctm_rmail pipeline. -- Peter Jeremy PS: Your clock seems to be 9 hours slow. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 19:32:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E9916A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:32:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from grotto.med.osaka-cu.ac.jp (grotto.med.osaka-cu.ac.jp [160.193.204.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055E743FBF for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:32:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zko-mori@msic.med.osaka-cu.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (zko-mori@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grotto.med.osaka-cu.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-02111111) with ESMTP id MAA14254 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:32:16 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:32:16 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20031111.123216.78713410.zko-mori@msic.med.osaka-cu.ac.jp> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org From: Koichi Mori X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: I got an error X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:32:24 -0000 Hi all, I tried ctm today. buildworld was completed. but I got this error when I do the buildkernel. mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/sys cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf; PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MEDMRTGSV /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MEDMRTGSV /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MEDMRTGSV:68: unknown option "HTT" *** Error code 1 How to edit for it? this kernel source works in 1600. I really need to work Hyperthreading! my present dmesg is CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz (3049.50-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf27 Stepping = 7 Features=0xbfebfbff Hyperthreading: 2 logical CPUs : : FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00050014, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00050014, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x00178020, at 0xfec00000 # pwd /usr/src # cat .ctm_status src-4 1652 (but still working 1600 now because i didn't installworld yet) thank you. -- Koichi Mori From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 19:58:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F4916A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from zgok.oni.gr.jp (zgok.oni.gr.jp [211.12.14.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD3E43F85 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oniuda@oni.gr.jp) Received: from localhost (oniuda@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zgok.oni.gr.jp (8.12.9p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAB3wWOZ006615 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:58:32 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from oniuda@oni.gr.jp) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:58:32 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20031111.125832.74749686.oniuda@oni.gr.jp> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org From: Koh-ichi Oniuda (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCNTRAOEVEOUAwbBsoQg==?=) In-Reply-To: <20031111.123216.78713410.zko-mori@msic.med.osaka-cu.ac.jp> References: <20031111.123216.78713410.zko-mori@msic.med.osaka-cu.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: I got an error X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:58:36 -0000 In <20031111.123216.78713410.zko-mori@msic.med.osaka-cu.ac.jp> at Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:32:16 +0900 (JST) Re:[ I got an error ] Koichi Mori wrotes: zko-mori> Hi all, zko-mori> zko-mori> I tried ctm today. buildworld was completed. zko-mori> but I got this error when I do the buildkernel. zko-mori> zko-mori> mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/sys zko-mori> cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf; PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MEDMRTGSV /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MEDMRTGSV zko-mori> /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MEDMRTGSV:68: unknown option "HTT" zko-mori> *** Error code 1 Watch this error. Your MEDMRTGSV file had a bad option in 68th line. Would you comment out such the option ? --- Oniuda From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 19:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC7916A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from doom.homeunix.org (8-164.dialup.comset.net [213.172.8.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EA143FE5 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:58:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from igor@doom.homeunix.org) Received: from doom.homeunix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by doom.homeunix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAB3vJcU000433; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:57:28 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from igor@doom.homeunix.org) Received: (from igor@localhost) by doom.homeunix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hAB3uJnX000432; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:56:19 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from igor) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:56:19 +0300 From: Igor Pokrovsky To: Koichi Mori Message-ID: <20031111035619.GA408@doom.homeunix.org> References: <20031111.123216.78713410.zko-mori@msic.med.osaka-cu.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031111.123216.78713410.zko-mori@msic.med.osaka-cu.ac.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Accept-Language: ru cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I got an error X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:59:13 -0000 On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 12:32:16PM +0900, Koichi Mori wrote: > Hi all, > > I tried ctm today. buildworld was completed. > but I got this error when I do the buildkernel. > > mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/sys > cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf; PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MEDMRTGSV /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MEDMRTGSV > /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MEDMRTGSV:68: unknown option "HTT" > *** Error code 1 > > How to edit for it? this kernel source works in 1600. > I really need to work Hyperthreading! Please read UPDATING. HTT is now enabled by default and thus option HTT was removed. P.S. Do not post such questions to ctm-users@ in future. It is not appropriate place. Instead ask on stable@, as I assume you are running STABLE. -ip -- "This is lemma 1.1. We start a new chapter so the numbers all go back to one." -- Prof. Seager, C&O 351 From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 22:33:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA8F16A4CE for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.oisca.org (mail.oisca.org [164.46.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DAE43F75 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:33:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from r_ikeda@oisca.org) Received: from oisca.org (61.174.203.61.ap.yournet.ne.jp [61.203.174.61]) (authenticated)hAK6Xcu13167 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:33:38 +0900 Message-ID: <3FBC600A.2090607@oisca.org> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:32:42 +0900 From: "Rommel B. IKEDA" Organization: OISCA-International User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031117 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CTM Users Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Errors when extracting the ctm file... X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: r_ikeda@oisca.org List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:33:42 -0000 I downloaded the "ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz" But when I tried ctm the following came out: ctm: warning: .ctm_status not found gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file /home/r_ikeda/CTM/ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz Fatal error: Truncated patch. ctm: exit(65) How can I correctly extract this file in my /usr/ports. My /usr/ports is already empty because I have already remove everything... Thanks for any advice... Rommel B. Ikeda From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 03:30:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F3F16A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from zgok.oni.gr.jp (zgok.oni.gr.jp [211.12.14.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3570043FE1 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:30:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oniuda@oni.gr.jp) Received: from localhost (oniuda@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zgok.oni.gr.jp (8.12.9p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAKBUkOZ078082 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:30:47 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from oniuda@oni.gr.jp) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:30:46 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20031120.203046.74677498.oniuda@oni.gr.jp> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org From: Koh-ichi Oniuda (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCNTRAOEVEOUAwbBsoQg==?=) In-Reply-To: <3FBC600A.2090607@oisca.org> References: <3FBC600A.2090607@oisca.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Errors when extracting the ctm file... X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:30:50 -0000 In <3FBC600A.2090607@oisca.org> at Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:32:42 +0900 Re:[ Errors when extracting the ctm file... ] "Rommel B. IKEDA" wrotes: r_ikeda> I downloaded the "ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz" r_ikeda> r_ikeda> But when I tried ctm the following came out: r_ikeda> r_ikeda> ctm: warning: .ctm_status not found r_ikeda> gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file r_ikeda> /home/r_ikeda/CTM/ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz Fatal error: Truncated patch. r_ikeda> ctm: exit(65) r_ikeda> r_ikeda> How can I correctly extract this file in my /usr/ports. r_ikeda> My /usr/ports is already empty because I have already remove everything... Please try -V ctm posion. Like this % ctm -c -V ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz --- Oniuda From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 04:04:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CBC16A4D1 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.crs.co.jp (ns.crs.co.jp [202.214.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FE143FBF for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:04:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 1yen@sh.rim.or.jp) Received: from inns.ycc.crs.co.jp ([192.168.30.202]) by ns.crs.co.jp (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hAKBubs02224; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:56:37 +0900 Received: from [192.168.31.117] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inns.ycc.crs.co.jp (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hAKC3no15721; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:03:49 +0900 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:03:49 +0900 From: NAKAMURA Takeshi <1yen@sh.rim.or.jp> To: r_ikeda@oisca.org Sender: 1yen@sh.rim.or.jp In-Reply-To: <3FBC600A.2090607@oisca.org> References: <3FBC600A.2090607@oisca.org> Message-Id: <20031120203817.0DE7.1YEN@sh.rim.or.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.07.02 cc: CTM Users Subject: Re: Errors when extracting the ctm file... X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:04:05 -0000 On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:32:42 +0900, "Rommel B. IKEDA" wrote: > gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file It's looks like truncated your file. refetch another ftp site. I'm try it. (fetch ftp://ftp8.jp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/po= rts-cur/ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz) ossan@host:~[1016]> ls -l ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 ossan ossan 21134556 Nov 14 08:41 ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz ossan@hsot> md5 ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz MD5 (ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz) =3D d9af360cd1d00b3e48c35f8341c492ca ossan@host:~[1017]> ctm -b XXX/ ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz ctm: warning: XXX/.ctm_status not found > FM XXX/.ctm_status > FM XXX/.cvsignore > FM XXX/INDEX > FM XXX/INDEX-5 =2E..snip... > FM XXX/x11-wm/yawm/Makefile > FM XXX/x11-wm/yawm/distinfo > FM XXX/x11-wm/yawm/pkg-descr All done ok ctm: exit(0) 166.555u 192.228s 15:48.24 37.8% 58+489k 606+898io 5pf+0w ossan@host:~[1018]> echo $?=20 0 Thank you. ----+----1----+----2----+----3----+----4----+----5----+----6----+----7----+ NAKAMURA Takeshi <1yen@sh.rim.or.jp> From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 23:56:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620A816A4CE; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.oisca.org (mail.oisca.org [164.46.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B59543FEC; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:56:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from r_ikeda@oisca.org) Received: from oisca.org (61.174.203.61.ap.yournet.ne.jp [61.203.174.61]) (authenticated)hAL7uEu29774; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:56:15 +0900 Message-ID: <3FBDC4E3.3040106@oisca.org> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:55:15 +0900 From: "Rommel B. IKEDA" Organization: OISCA-International User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031117 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_E=DFer?= References: <3FBC600A.2090607@oisca.org> <20031120110807.GA1275@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031120110807.GA1275@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: CTM Users Subject: Re: Errors when extracting the ctm file... X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: r_ikeda@oisca.org List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:56:18 -0000 Thank you very much for the reply... I know that I have a lot of space because I am using my FreeBSD in my HD = as my only O.S....but there seems to be some problems with our internet=20 connection yesterday...one thing more everytime I try to download using=20 Mozilla, especially when downloading CTM Deltas it always gives me an=20 automatic *.cgi extension for example downloading=20 ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz would always gives me a "save as"=20 ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz.cgi, I usually delete the cgi and continue=20 dowloading...Maybe there is a problem in this...Anyways, I will try to=20 find out about it... Anways...I also received an answer from Mr. NAKAMURA Takeshi...and when=20 I followed his instruction...I was able to successfully do it...Anyways, = this time I used the "fetch" command and I was able to download=20 it...Funny about it is, I can always install ports but could never=20 cvsup...That is why I am using CTM... Once again Thank you... Stefan E=DFer wrote: >On 2003-11-20 15:32 +0900, "Rommel B. IKEDA" wrote: > =20 > >>I downloaded the "ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz" >> >>But when I tried ctm the following came out: >> >>ctm: warning: .ctm_status not found=20 >>gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file >> =20 >> > >Unexpected end of file ! > >The CTM file has been truncated (FTP transfer aborted or the disk >was not able to hold the complete CTM file). > > =20 > >>/home/r_ikeda/CTM/ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz Fatal error: Truncated patch.= >>ctm: exit(65) >> >>How can I correctly extract this file in my /usr/ports. >>My /usr/ports is already empty because I have already remove everything= =2E.. >> =20 >> > >Fetch the file completely and try again. > >The command=20 > >$ gzip -tv ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz > >will tell you, whether the file seems to be OK. > >Verify that your disk has enough empty space to hold the complete file, >before retrying the transfer. > >You may be lucky and a FTP "reget" may be able to fetch the rest of the = >file, if a short transfer (aborted because of network problems or a disk= >full condition) was the reason. > >Regards, STefan > > > =20 > From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 23:57:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6AF16A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.oisca.org (mail.oisca.org [164.46.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2456E43F3F for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:57:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from r_ikeda@oisca.org) Received: from oisca.org (61.174.203.61.ap.yournet.ne.jp [61.203.174.61]) (authenticated)hAL7vFu29845; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:57:15 +0900 Message-ID: <3FBDC522.1000702@oisca.org> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:56:18 +0900 From: "Rommel B. IKEDA" Organization: OISCA-International User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031117 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NAKAMURA Takeshi <1yen@sh.rim.or.jp> References: <3FBC600A.2090607@oisca.org> <20031120203817.0DE7.1YEN@sh.rim.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <20031120203817.0DE7.1YEN@sh.rim.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: CTM Users Subject: Re: Errors when extracting the ctm file... X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: r_ikeda@oisca.org List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:57:46 -0000 I followed what you did and I was able to do it... Thank you very much... Rommel Ikeda NAKAMURA Takeshi wrote: >On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:32:42 +0900, > "Rommel B. IKEDA" wrote: > > > >>gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file >> >> > It's looks like truncated your file. >refetch another ftp site. > >I'm try it. (fetch ftp://ftp8.jp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/ports-cur/ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz) >ossan@host:~[1016]> ls -l ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 ossan ossan 21134556 Nov 14 08:41 ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz >ossan@hsot> md5 ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz >MD5 (ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz) = d9af360cd1d00b3e48c35f8341c492ca >ossan@host:~[1017]> ctm -b XXX/ ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz >ctm: warning: XXX/.ctm_status not found > > >>FM XXX/.ctm_status >>FM XXX/.cvsignore >>FM XXX/INDEX >>FM XXX/INDEX-5 >> >> >...snip... > > >>FM XXX/x11-wm/yawm/Makefile >>FM XXX/x11-wm/yawm/distinfo >>FM XXX/x11-wm/yawm/pkg-descr >> >> >All done ok >ctm: exit(0) >166.555u 192.228s 15:48.24 37.8% 58+489k 606+898io 5pf+0w >ossan@host:~[1018]> echo $? >0 > >Thank you. >----+----1----+----2----+----3----+----4----+----5----+----6----+----7----+ > NAKAMURA Takeshi <1yen@sh.rim.or.jp> > > > > > From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 08:53:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B87D16A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from math.missouri.edu (math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AC943F85 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:53:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.166]) by math.missouri.edu (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB8GrNDr091461 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:53:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <3FD4AC83.8010601@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:53:23 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Organization: University of Missouri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031102 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Some ctm deltas not being mailed X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:53:27 -0000 Some of the ctm deltas that were mailed to ctm-cvs-cur@freebsd.org have bounced, with an error message like: The original message was received at Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:59:45 -0600 (CST) from smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 Error: Message content rejected) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mx1.freebsd.org.: >>>>>> DATA <<< 550 Error: Message content rejected 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Reporting-MTA: dns; cauchy.math.missouri.edu Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost Arrival-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:59:45 -0600 (CST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; ctm-cvs-cur@freebsd.org Action: failed Status: 5.2.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; mx1.freebsd.org Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Error: Message content rejected Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:59:57 -0600 (CST) Does anyone know what is going on? -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 17:07:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17E616A4CE; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F7143D1D; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:07:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ATWLV-0001Vf-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:07:25 +0100 Received: from [80.132.238.61] (helo=Gatekeeper.FreeBSD.org) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ATWLU-0003mL-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:07:24 +0100 Received: from StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org (StefanEsser [192.168.0.10]) by Gatekeeper.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE90E5F18; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:07:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org (Postfix, from userid 200) id 6EAF91E6B; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:07:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:07:22 +0100 From: Stefan =?iso-8859-1?Q?E=DFer?= To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20031209010722.GA25054@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> References: <3FD4AC83.8010601@math.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD4AC83.8010601@math.missouri.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fa3fae9b6ca38d745862a668565919f6 cc: postmaster@localhost.FreeBSD.org cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some ctm deltas not being mailed X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:07:28 -0000 On 2003-12-08 10:53 -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Some of the ctm deltas that were mailed to ctm-cvs-cur@freebsd.org have > bounced, with an error message like: > > The original message was received at Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:59:45 -0600 (CST) > from smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 550 Error: Message content rejected) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to mx1.freebsd.org.: > > >>>>>> DATA > > <<< 550 Error: Message content rejected > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > Reporting-MTA: dns; cauchy.math.missouri.edu > Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost > Arrival-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:59:45 -0600 (CST) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; ctm-cvs-cur@freebsd.org > Action: failed > Status: 5.2.0 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mx1.freebsd.org > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Error: Message content rejected > Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:59:57 -0600 (CST) > > Does anyone know what is going on? I noticed a similar problem trying to forward some message from work to my freebsd.org account. The message was pure text (no attachments) and definitely no UCE. Seems that the anti SPAM measures have become over-jealous again ;-) Regards, STefan From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 17:18:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D90316A4CF for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1FE43D28 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:18:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20031209011857im200s4m6ve>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 01:18:57 +0000 Message-ID: <3FD52301.1080306@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:18:57 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031102 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <3FD4AC83.8010601@math.missouri.edu> <20031209010722.GA25054@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031209010722.GA25054@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Some ctm deltas not being mailed X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:18:59 -0000 Stefan Eßer wrote: > > I noticed a similar problem trying to forward some message from work > to my freebsd.org account. The message was pure text (no attachments) > and definitely no UCE. > > Seems that the anti SPAM measures have become over-jealous again ;-) > > Regards, STefan > > I saw a message on hubs@freebsd.org which said that the anti-spam measures were set over-zealous this morning, but it should now be fixed. Several parts of cvs-cur.9828.gz did not make it, so you will have to get this delta from the ftp or web sites. Best, Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 18:13:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDD716A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2F143D21 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from smckay@internode.on.net) Received: from dungeon.home (ppp190-245.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net [150.101.190.245])hB92Cte3013953; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:42:56 +1030 (CST) Received: from dungeon.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dungeon.home (8.12.8p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB92Ct8c006052; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:12:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mckay) Message-Id: <200312090212.hB92Ct8c006052@dungeon.home> To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <3FD4AC83.8010601@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <3FD4AC83.8010601@math.missouri.edu> from Stephen Montgomery-Smith at "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:53:23 -0600" Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:12:55 +1000 From: Stephen McKay cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: Stephen McKay Subject: Re: Some ctm deltas not being mailed X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:13:00 -0000 On Monday, 8th December 2003, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >Some of the ctm deltas that were mailed to ctm-cvs-cur@freebsd.org have >bounced, with an error message like: > > (reason: 550 Error: Message content rejected) >Does anyone know what is going on? I'd guess it's an overzealous spam detector. Try hassling postmaster. The spam detector my ISP uses is tagging normal mail as spam if it has CAPS in it. Could be the same thing here, except my ISP just tags spam without rejecting it. Stephen. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 14:53:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A1116A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from web40607.mail.yahoo.com (web40607.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9529443D2A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:53:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbase77@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20031210225328.41634.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.125.58.193] by web40607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:53:28 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:53:28 +0000 (GMT) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Feroz=20F.=20Basir?=" To: ctm-users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: how to start ctm on 4.9 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:53:30 -0000 Hi, Im very new to ctm procedure. I installed fbsd 4.9 and my office require http proxy to go online which doesnt work well with cvsup. So, my only solution to stay up to date is using ctm. Like I said, im very new to ctm so be gentle. I already installed /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/src/sys using cdrom. In order to stay with branch 4.9 release (not stable branch or current branch), what do I need to do to use this ctm? I don't mind downloading ctm file and ftp to my fbsd box as long as I can stay up to date for my system and ports collection is fine by me. Even though it will email me, I still have to ftp the file to our bsd box, so I suppose downloading the file doesnt make any different. Anybody care to guide me step by step, please? Thank you in advance. regards, feroz ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save £80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=21064/*http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 08:48:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622A816A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:48:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from web40601.mail.yahoo.com (web40601.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E2FE43D68 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:48:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbase77@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20031222164821.6606.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.77.163.226] by web40601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:48:21 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:48:21 +0000 (GMT) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Feroz=20F.=20Basir?=" To: ctm-users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: ctm files X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:48:22 -0000 Hi, Can anybody tell me why ctm mailing list sent me an email with all these weird characters? I thought it will attach the file? Unless this is the way ctm works. Im new to ctm thingy. I already use them and hoping to stay up to date. I suppose I have to ftp the file manually. regards, feroz ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 16:18:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A0216A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.dcns.ne.jp (smtp1.dcns.ne.jp [203.178.100.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77B1343D1D for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from haro@h4.dion.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 22365 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 00:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (211.10.184.118) by smtp1.dcns.ne.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 00:18:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:18:28 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20031223.091828.74755944.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> To: dbase77@yahoo.com From: Munehiro Matsuda In-Reply-To: <20031222164821.6606.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031222164821.6606.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctm files X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:18:32 -0000 Hi Feroz, Well, that's the way ctm works. :-) You pass that email through the ctm_rmail command and CTM delta file gets extracted. See ctm_rmail man page for more details that have some examples on how to handle the email. Hope this helps, Haro From: "Feroz F. Basir" Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:48:21 +0000 (GMT) ::Hi, :: ::Can anybody tell me why ctm mailing list sent me an ::email with all these weird characters? I thought it ::will attach the file? Unless this is the way ctm ::works. Im new to ctm thingy. I already use them and ::hoping to stay up to date. I suppose I have to ftp the ::file manually. :: ::regards, ::feroz =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Internet Solution Dept., Kubota Graphics Technologies Inc. /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan Tel: +81-3-3225-0767 Fax: +81-3-3225-0740 Email: haro@kgt.co.jp From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 00:23:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24E016A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c211-30-75-229.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.75.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55ECA43D31 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:23:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1])i0J8MuPf002859; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:22:56 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i0J8MpVm002858; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:22:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:22:51 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040119082251.GA2708@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: CTM problem X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:23:07 -0000 CTM seems to have died sometime after 2004-Jan-17 0055 UTC - the last delta mailed or available via FTP is cvs-cur.9944.gz Peter From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 14:44:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EEC16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02.asp.att.net [204.127.203.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F015843D3F for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:44:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02) with ESMTP id <20040119224426mm2009tdc0e>; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:44:27 +0000 Message-ID: <400C5DCA.3020706@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:44:26 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040117 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Jeremy References: <20040119082251.GA2708@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20040119082251.GA2708@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM problem X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:44:29 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > CTM seems to have died sometime after 2004-Jan-17 0055 UTC - the > last delta mailed or available via FTP is cvs-cur.9944.gz > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. CTM in general is working, and ports, src-4, src-cur, etc, seem to be working well. The generation of cvs-cur seems to have broken - I can see that the mkctm program has cored for some reason. Unfortunately school starts tomorrow, and my kids will be home from the baby sitter any moment. I'll try to track down the problem as quickly as I can, but it may be a day or two, as it doesn't look obvious why it is not working. Best, Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 19:03:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B816A16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6348543D2F for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:03:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with ESMTP id <20040120030329im2006b30le>; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:03:29 +0000 Message-ID: <400C9A7C.1000508@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:03:24 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040117 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <20040119082251.GA2708@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20040119082251.GA2708@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CTM problem X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:03:31 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > CTM seems to have died sometime after 2004-Jan-17 0055 UTC - the > last delta mailed or available via FTP is cvs-cur.9944.gz > I did some analysis of the problem. It looks like there will need to be some rewriting of mkctm.c. I could try to do it myself, but if someone else wants to do it, that would be better. I have no idea how long it will take me to do. In fact, I am not exactly sure what the problem is. It is probably somehow related to the fact that mkctm needs to use about 200M of memory. The problem is when mkctm is comparing the file ports/INDEX,v in the old and new directories. These files are getting to about 60 to 70MB in size. mkctm contains a function called Equ. First Equ does a mmap to map each of the files to memory, so that it can compare them to see if they are the same size. If they are different, Equ then attempts to use alloca to allocate memory of the same size as the larger of the two files (plus 2). This memory is then used to store the output of "diff -n". It is during this call to alloca that mkctm has a segmentation fault. Thus the program needs to allocate about 3 times 60 or 70MB. I am not at all familiar with how FreeBSD allocates memory. I see from the man page that alloca gets its memory from the stack. I am guessing that mmap gets its memory from the heap, but I am not sure. I remember working with these kinds of problems before. I know that there is a command to change how much space processes are allowed to use, but I don't remember the commands for this right now. Maybe someone could remind me what they are, and in that case maybe just increasing the stack allowed by processes would fix the problem. In any case, fixing this problem is definitely stretching my Unix/BSD knowledge, so any help I can get would be greatly appreciated. Best, Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 21:48:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E58516A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FBC43D4C for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with ESMTP id <20040120054807im20067uvee>; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:48:07 +0000 Message-ID: <400CC116.6050009@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:48:06 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040117 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <20040119082251.GA2708@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <400C9A7C.1000508@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <400C9A7C.1000508@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090009040102050407040708" Subject: Re: CTM problem X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:48:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090009040102050407040708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Peter Jeremy wrote: > >> CTM seems to have died sometime after 2004-Jan-17 0055 UTC - the >> last delta mailed or available via FTP is cvs-cur.9944.gz >> > > The enclosed patch seems to fix the problem, well, at least it is a band aid. cvs-cur should start up again tonight. (The setlinebuf is added so that the log files are a bit more informative for me.) Stephen --------------090009040102050407040708 Content-Type: text/plain; name="ddd.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ddd.txt" --- mkctm.c-orig Mon Jan 19 23:27:59 2004 +++ mkctm.c Mon Jan 19 23:30:53 2004 @@ -217,7 +217,7 @@ { u_long l = s2.st_size + 2; u_char *cmd = alloca(strlen(buf1)+strlen(buf2)+100); - u_char *ob = alloca(l), *p; + u_char *ob = malloc(l), *p; int j; FILE *F; @@ -291,6 +291,7 @@ s_sub_files++; s_sub_bytes += s2.st_size; } + free(ob); } finish: munmap(p1, s1.st_size); @@ -547,6 +548,8 @@ logf = fopen(optarg, "w"); if (!logf) err(1, "%s", optarg); + else + setlinebuf(logf); break; case 'q': verbose--; --------------090009040102050407040708-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 23:23:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250C616A4CF for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c211-30-75-229.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.75.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E52A43D3F for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:23:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1])i0K7N5e3003850; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:23:05 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jeremyp@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost)i0K7N04T003849; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:23:00 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jeremyp) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:23:00 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20040120072300.GA3244@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <20040119082251.GA2708@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <400C9A7C.1000508@math.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <400C9A7C.1000508@math.missouri.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM problem X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:23:09 -0000 Hi Stephen, On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 09:03:24PM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >The problem is when mkctm is comparing the file ports/INDEX,v in the old >and new directories. These files are getting to about 60 to 70MB in size. >mkctm contains a function called Equ. First Equ does a mmap to map each of >the files to memory, so that it can compare them to see if they are the >same size. If they are different, Equ then attempts to use alloca to >allocate memory of the same size as the larger of the two files (plus 2). >This memory is then used to store the output of "diff -n". It is during >this call to alloca that mkctm has a segmentation fault. > >Thus the program needs to allocate about 3 times 60 or 70MB. I am not at >all familiar with how FreeBSD allocates memory. I see from the man page >that alloca gets its memory from the stack. I am guessing that mmap gets >its memory from the heap, but I am not sure. alloca() does allocate from the stack. mmap() allocates virtual space but not from the heap. >I remember working with these kinds of problems before. I know that there >is a command to change how much space processes are allowed to use, but I >don't remember the commands for this right now. Maybe someone could remind >me what they are, and in that case maybe just increasing the stack allowed >by processes would fix the problem. You are thinking of either ulimit(1) or setrlimit(2). Unfortunately, this isn't going to be enough in this case. The default stack size is set to the maximum - 65536KB for the i386. To increase this, you will need to set kern.maxssiz at boot time. (Though you can reduce it via ulimit, setrlimit or /etc/login.conf). Add a line like "kern.maxssiz=131072" to /boot/loader.conf and reboot to double the default stack size. I presume the machine you're running mkctm on has plenty of RAM - from a quick look at the mkctm code, I wouldn't suggest running it in any less than 256MB RAM - preferably 512MB. Peter From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 08:30:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909E416A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from odot.okladot.state.ok.us (odot.okladot.state.ok.us [192.149.244.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C84A43D1F for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:30:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us) Received: from notes9c.okladot.state.ok.us (notes9a.okladot.state.ok.us [10.36.36.31])KAA21460; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:30:21 -0600 Received: from techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us ([199.27.9.37]) by notes9c.okladot.state.ok.us (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.12) with ESMTP id 2004012010305512:443127 ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:30:55 -0600 Received: by techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us (Postfix, from userid 0) id 1D60A5C4C; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:30:34 -0600 (CST) To: ctm-users@freebsd.org From: pdseniura@techie.com Message-Id: <20040120163034.1D60A5C4C@techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:30:34 -0600 (CST) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Notes9c/ODOT(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 01/20/2004 10:30:55 AM,2003) at 01/20/2004 10:30:56 AM, Serialize complete at 01/20/2004 10:30:56 AM cc: pdseniura@techie.com Subject: is CTM src-cur and ports-cur still down? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pdseniura@techie.com List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:30:37 -0000 Hello, Because of political issues here, I'm having to follow -Current via the CTM FTP site and get the deltas by hand from the src-cur and ports-cur there. The latest deltas I see there are from last night, while the latest cvs-cur there seems to have today's date. I don't have room for a local CVS site here. Reading the archives I see someone was having to fix the programs for CTM itself yesterday. Will the src-cur and ports-cur feed resume soon? Thank you, -- Paul Seniura System Specialist State of Okla. D.O.T. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 08:54:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CCC16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:54:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.dcns.ne.jp (smtp1.dcns.ne.jp [203.178.100.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E20243D6D for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:54:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from haro@h4.dion.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 21165 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 16:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (211.10.184.118) by smtp1.dcns.ne.jp with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 16:54:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:54:41 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040121.015441.74754250.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> To: pdseniura@techie.com From: Munehiro Matsuda In-Reply-To: <20040120163034.1D60A5C4C@techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us> References: <20040120163034.1D60A5C4C@techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is CTM src-cur and ports-cur still down? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:54:52 -0000 From: pdseniura@techie.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:30:34 -0600 (CST) ::Hello, :: ::Because of political issues here, I'm having to follow ::-Current via the CTM FTP site and get the deltas by hand ::from the src-cur and ports-cur there. ::The latest deltas I see there are from last night, while ::the latest cvs-cur there seems to have today's date. ::I don't have room for a local CVS site here. ::Reading the archives I see someone was having to fix ::the programs for CTM itself yesterday. ::Will the src-cur and ports-cur feed resume soon? Hi, I just recieved the latest src-cur thorugh e-mail now, and ports-cur seems to be on schedule, too. These delta usually gets updated every 16 hours. So, check time before looking for update. Hope this helps, Haro =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Internet Solution Dept., Kubota Graphics Technologies Inc. /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan Tel: +81-3-3225-0767 Fax: +81-3-3225-0740 Email: haro@kgt.co.jp From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 09:02:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE9B16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02.asp.att.net [204.127.203.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EA643D6D for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:02:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02) with ESMTP id <20040120170225mm2009q4vde>; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:02:25 +0000 Message-ID: <400D5F20.3020706@math.missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:02:24 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040117 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <20040120163034.1D60A5C4C@techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us> In-Reply-To: <20040120163034.1D60A5C4C@techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: is CTM src-cur and ports-cur still down? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:02:27 -0000 src-cur and ports-cur never did go down. Only cvs-cur had problems. There is a time lag for the latest deltas to make it to the ftp sites. Todays ports-cur and src-cur were only created an hour ago. Probably the best ftp site for you to use is ftp.vmunix.org, because it gets its deltas directly from the computer that generates the deltas, updating every hour. pdseniura@techie.com wrote: > Hello, > > Because of political issues here, I'm having to follow > -Current via the CTM FTP site and get the deltas by hand > from the src-cur and ports-cur there. > The latest deltas I see there are from last night, while > the latest cvs-cur there seems to have today's date. > I don't have room for a local CVS site here. > Reading the archives I see someone was having to fix > the programs for CTM itself yesterday. > Will the src-cur and ports-cur feed resume soon? > > Thank you, > > -- Paul Seniura > System Specialist > State of Okla. D.O.T. > > > _______________________________________________ > ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 09:44:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D1516A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from odot.okladot.state.ok.us (odot.okladot.state.ok.us [192.149.244.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FA343D2D for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:44:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us) Received: from notes9c.okladot.state.ok.us (notes9a.okladot.state.ok.us [10.36.36.31])LAA06122; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:43:59 -0600 Received: from techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us ([199.27.9.37]) by notes9c.okladot.state.ok.us (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.12) with ESMTP id 2004012011443423:443601 ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:44:34 -0600 Received: by techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us (Postfix, from userid 0) id 013DB5C4C; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:44:13 -0600 (CST) To: ctm-users@freebsd.org From: pdseniura@techie.com In-Reply-To: <20040120163034.1D60A5C4C@techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us> References: <20040120163034.1D60A5C4C@techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us> <20040121.015441.74754250.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> <400D5F20.3020706@math.missouri.edu> Message-Id: <20040120174413.013DB5C4C@techpc04.okladot.state.ok.us> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:44:13 -0600 (CST) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Notes9c/ODOT(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 01/20/2004 11:44:34 AM,2003) at 01/20/2004 11:44:34 AM, Serialize complete at 01/20/2004 11:44:34 AM cc: pdseniura@techie.com Subject: thank you (re: is CTM src-cur and ports-cur still down?) X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pdseniura@techie.com List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:44:01 -0000 The ftp.vmunix.org site did have today's bucket. Thank you for that clue. I normally use ftp.freebsd.org which hasn't propagated yet. I never know what time-zone is used by those sites, it sure looked late today. ;) I volunteered to take over the net/tn3270 port since we have mainframes here and the port wasn't being maintained, so being current is very important. TPTB here would only let me use a surplused IBM 450MHz P2 machine. It takes 6 hrs to buildworld and about 30 mins for buildkernel, so I really want to get the latest buckets. No telling how far behind portupgrade is going to be today (we were on holiday yesterday, plus the weekend...) Thank you again, -- Paul Seniura From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 10:23:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E08016A4CE for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from uni-kl.de (mail.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A81343D1F for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:23:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from meikel@ceres.homeunix.org) Received: from [131.246.164.27] (HELO mathematik.uni-kl.de) by uni-kl.de (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 3291092 for ctm-users@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:23:08 +0100 Received: from mathematik.uni-kl.de ( mmdf@neutron.mathematik.uni-kl.de [131.246.164.16] ) by helios.mathematik.uni-kl.de with ESMTP id aa04660 for ; 17 Feb 2004 19:23 +0100 Received: from ceres.homeunix.org ( ryoko.mathematik.uni-kl.de [131.246.164.47] ) by neutron.mathematik.uni-kl.de with ESMTP id aa12520 for ; 17 Feb 2004 18:23 +0000 Received: by ceres.homeunix.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 21D1330F6; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:17:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:17:47 +0100 From: Meikel Brandmeyer To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040215191747.GA859@ceres.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: CTM usage X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:23:08 -0000 Hi, the second try... I'd like to use CTM in a project of mine. Are there any pointers on how to use CTM to create the diffs? Ciao Meikel --=20 Die einzigen M=E4nner, die Frauen zu durchschauen verm=F6gen, sind Radi= ologen. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 14:31:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4183316A4CE for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from uni-kl.de (mail.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8148443D1D for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:31:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from meikel@ceres.homeunix.org) Received: from [131.246.164.27] (HELO mathematik.uni-kl.de) by uni-kl.de (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 3343696 for ctm-users@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:31:11 +0100 Received: from mathematik.uni-kl.de ( mmdf@neutron.mathematik.uni-kl.de [131.246.164.16] ) by helios.mathematik.uni-kl.de with ESMTP id aa14223 for ; 18 Feb 2004 23:31 +0100 Received: from ceres.homeunix.org ( ryoko.mathematik.uni-kl.de [131.246.164.47] ) by neutron.mathematik.uni-kl.de with ESMTP id aa15968 for ; 18 Feb 2004 22:31 +0000 Received: by ceres.homeunix.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2D00B30FB; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:23:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:23:07 +0100 From: Meikel Brandmeyer To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040218222307.GB891@ceres.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CTM usage X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:31:12 -0000 --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, sorry. Forgot the CC. Ciao Meikel --=20 Die einzigen M=E4nner, die Frauen zu durchschauen verm=F6gen, sind Radi= ologen. --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:21:20 +0100 From: Meikel Brandmeyer To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Subject: Re: CTM usage Message-ID: <20040218222120.GA891@ceres.localdomain> References: <20040215191747.GA859@ceres.localdomain> <403261E1.3040306@math.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <403261E1.3040306@math.missouri.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, > I would like to write a how-to to run CTM. Perhaps we could do it=20 > together - I could tell you by email how to set it up, and in the=20 > process, perhaps a how-to could be created. That would be nice. I think, that CTM is a very usefull system. Especiall= y if a lot of patches are distributed in short period of time. It really helps to keep the source tree sane. (Which other tool provides md5 sums etc. without a running server??) I currently don't have a chance on getting a cvs or subversion server somewhere. So CTM is really a nice thing to distribute patches. > P.S. I didn't see your "first try" - perhaps your message got lost in=20 > the spam that unfortunately seems to dominate this group. My first try was a direct mail to Poul-Henning Kamp, which ended up in a bug report for the docs. ;) Ciao Meikel --=20 Die einzigen M=E4nner, die Frauen zu durchschauen verm=F6gen, sind Radi= ologen. --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 02:58:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9E416A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:58:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.enternet.hu (smtp.enternet.hu [62.112.192.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930CC43D45 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:58:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nagylzs@freemail.hu) Received: from freemail.hu (3e44a545.adsl.enternet.hu [62.68.165.69]) by smtp.enternet.hu (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2PAwNTg011972 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:58:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nagylzs@freemail.hu) Message-ID: <4062BADD.3000402@freemail.hu> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:56:29 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Nagy_L=E1szl=F3_Zsolt?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Chinese characters in text mode X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:58:28 -0000 Hi All! Is it possible to display chinese and English (Latin-1) characters at the same time (in text mode)? If this cannot be done, is there any graphic library that I can use to make a simple program? It must be run on PI or PII machines with 64MB RAM plus a database server is needed so I cannot use an X server at all. Thanks in advance, Laci From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 14:38:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF63416A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from auemail1.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8EB43D45 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawnlkennedy@lucent.com) Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) ESMTP id i37L2Ej22209 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:02:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from il0015shawnlke2 (il0015shawnlke2.ih.lucent.com [135.185.54.213]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id i37L2EC24827; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:02:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Shawn Kennedy" To: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:02:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: Help with CTM X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:38:23 -0000 I've been going over the man pages and the FreeBSD handbook for a few days and am stuck as to what my problem is. I've used cvsup for a few years until my company killed access through the firewall. Last recourse is CTM. I found the CTM files and FTP'ed them down to the box. I ran what I thought was the appropriate command: cd /usr/ports ctm -v -v /usr/ctm/ports/ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz I received that the .ctm_status file didn't exist (assumed that - first time it's running) but it said that all the files in the list exist (I am assuming it's because I've last cvsup'ed about 1 month ago). Error code returned is 80. I thought that I would now try and run the next file in sequence, but it failed! The first file it tried to edit was Mk/bsd.sites.mk and it said the md5 didn't match and gave me an exit code 104. Also said the .ctm_status file wasn't found. What in the world am I doing wrong? Is it because I didn't blow away /usr/ports first? Shawn Kennedy From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 14:59:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5285816A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B6443D3F for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:59:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with ESMTP id <20040407215836im200m0kive>; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:58:36 +0000 Message-ID: <4074798B.1060100@math.missouri.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:58:35 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040405 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help with CTM X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:59:30 -0000 I also found the man pages and FreeBSD docs on CTM to be misleading. You need to blow /usr/ports away first. The .ctm_status file didn't exist message is to be expected for the reasons you state. Shawn Kennedy wrote: > I've been going over the man pages and the FreeBSD handbook > for a few days and am stuck as to what my problem is. > > I've used cvsup for a few years until my company killed > access through the firewall. Last recourse is CTM. > I found the CTM files and FTP'ed them down to > the box. I ran what I thought was the appropriate > command: > > cd /usr/ports > ctm -v -v /usr/ctm/ports/ports-cur.5000xEmpty.gz > > I received that the .ctm_status file didn't exist > (assumed that - first time it's running) but it said > that all the files in the list exist (I am assuming it's > because I've last cvsup'ed about 1 month ago). Error code > returned is 80. > > I thought that I would now try and run the next file in > sequence, but it failed! > > The first file it tried to edit was Mk/bsd.sites.mk > and it said the md5 didn't match and gave me an exit code 104. > Also said the .ctm_status file wasn't found. > > What in the world am I doing wrong? Is it because I didn't blow > away /usr/ports first? > > Shawn Kennedy > > _______________________________________________ > ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 15:24:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521AD16A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from auemail1.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E3A43D54 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:24:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawnlkennedy@lucent.com) Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) ESMTP id i37MNoj26172; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:23:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from il0015shawnlke2 (il0015shawnlke2.ih.lucent.com [135.185.54.213]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id i37MNnC16238; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:23:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Shawn Kennedy" To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4074798B.1060100@math.missouri.edu> cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Help with CTM X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:24:28 -0000 Hi Stephen, Thanks for the info!! (As someone else pointed out - need to save my existing distfiles first!!). Thanks again, Shawn > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith [mailto:stephen@math.missouri.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:59 PM > To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com > Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Help with CTM > > I also found the man pages and FreeBSD docs on CTM to be misleading. > > You need to blow /usr/ports away first. The .ctm_status file didn't exist > message is to be expected for the reasons you state. > > Shawn Kennedy wrote: > > I've been going over the man pages and the FreeBSD handbook > > for a few days and am stuck as to what my problem is. > > > > What in the world am I doing wrong? Is it because I didn't blow > > away /usr/ports first? From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 16:04:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B115A16A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail2.firewall.lucent.com (ihemail2.lucent.com [192.11.222.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500F843D41 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawnlkennedy@lucent.com) Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) ESMTP id i37N3bB07545 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:03:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from il0015shawnlke2 (il0015shawnlke2.ih.lucent.com [135.185.54.213]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id i37N3bC15392; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:03:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Shawn Kennedy" To: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:03:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4074798B.1060100@math.missouri.edu> Subject: RE: Help with CTM X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 23:04:28 -0000 One more thing - I assume it's OK to delete /usr/src as well when I upgrade via src-4? I'm currently running 4.9-STABLE. That one I am hesitant on! Shawn > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith [mailto:stephen@math.missouri.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:59 PM > To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com > Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Help with CTM > > > I also found the man pages and FreeBSD docs on CTM to be misleading. > > You need to blow /usr/ports away first. The .ctm_status file didn't exist > message is to be expected for the reasons you state. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 11 17:57:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AA716A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA17843D46 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Carrn166@aol.com) Received: from Carrn166@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.2.) id n.1d3.1e64e03e (4012) for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:57:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Carrn166@aol.com Message-ID: <1d3.1e64e03e.2dab4362@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:57:06 EDT To: ctm-users@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: help me please X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 00:57:12 -0000 I am a new freebsd user and i over heared that after installing the os, i need to download the updates for the OS, I thought was the CVSUP, but i can't get any help because i know no one that uses freebsd. Can you help me please From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 07:49:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ACE16A4CE; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakermmtai10.cox.net (lakermmtai10.cox.net [68.230.240.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4734343D3F; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scifi@scifi.homeip.net) Received: from scifi.homeip.net ([68.227.96.63]) by lakermmtai10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040421144943.VEW4028.lakermmtai10.cox.net@scifi.homeip.net>; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:49:43 -0400 Received: by scifi.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 64651143F63; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:49:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Paul Seniura" To: , , Sender: "Paul Seniura" Errors-To: "Paul Seniura" Message-Id: <20040421144941.64651143F63@scifi.homeip.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:49:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Seniura List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:49:45 -0000 I just opened a PR/misc on this. All FTP sites including ftp.vmunix.org are showing the last delta available was on April 19 or earlier. No e-mails coming in, either, since then. Please fix ASAP. Thank you. -- Paul Seniura System Specialist State of Okla. D.O.T. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 13:15:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278CA16A56F for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.missouri.edu (math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9EE43D5F for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:15:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.166]) by math.missouri.edu (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3LKF9Cq062639; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:15:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <4086D64D.7060308@math.missouri.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:15:09 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Organization: University of Missouri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040419 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Seniura References: <20040421144941.64651143F63@scifi.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20040421144941.64651143F63@scifi.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:15:11 -0000 From where I am (creating the deltas) everything looks normal. I did receive the emails, and my rsync logs indicate the the newly created deltas are being fetched. ftp.freebsd.org tends to be a few days behind, and maybe ftp.vmunix.org has started to sync with ftp.freebsd.org (but ftp.vmunix.org is still also directly rsyncing from me). Anyway, the problem seems not to be at my end. Paul Seniura wrote: > I just opened a PR/misc on this. > All FTP sites including > ftp.vmunix.org are showing the > last delta available was on > April 19 or earlier. > No e-mails coming in, either, > since then. > > Please fix ASAP. > Thank you. > > > -- Paul Seniura > System Specialist > State of Okla. D.O.T. > > _______________________________________________ > ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 14:53:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8CA16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E53543D53 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:53:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pdseniura@techie.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180])F40371801727 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:53:27 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.178) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 21 Apr 2004 21:51:52 -0000 Received: by ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CA14379004F; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:53:27 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [192.149.244.9] by ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com with http for pdseniura@techie.com; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:53:27 -0600 From: "P.D. Seniura" To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:53:27 -0600 X-Originating-Ip: 192.149.244.9 X-Originating-Server: ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040421215327.CA14379004F@ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com> cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:53:28 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:15:09 -0500 To: Paul Seniura Subject: Re: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP > From where I am (creating the deltas) everything looks normal. I did > receive the emails, and my rsync logs indicate the the newly created > deltas are being fetched. The last time this happened, I was told (by someone else) to FTP from vmunix because _it_ was the main site that dished-out the deltas. :( The subdirectory times & dates on vmunix for ports-cur and src-cur seem to reflect something changing there, but no 'new' files are visible there at all. Like the subdir itself got 'touched' by a ghost. I've yet to see anything in e-mail at all. We cannot do anything else thru our firewall right now, but this situation has finally got my goat to write up a "business proposal" to get the CVS protocols opened-up. ;) Is there a 'main' FTP site for deltas so I can get caught up in a hurry? I am experiencing the ATA bugs as mentioned on -current@ and desparately need to get all those patches since Monday. Plus I need to take advantage of the ports freeze to get 440+ apps caught up. And I think I found a good replacement for net/tn3270 (I volunteered to maintain it ;) . OT -- Good grief, our tornado warning sirens are going off -- take a look at Okla. City on a weather map if you have a chance. ;) > ftp.freebsd.org tends to be a few days behind, and maybe ftp.vmunix.org > has started to sync with ftp.freebsd.org (but ftp.vmunix.org is still > also directly rsyncing from me). I seem to get pointed to another site when ftp.freebsd.org is overburdened. When I get the 'real' main site there, it has been within a couple hours of vmunix. Everything stopped getting updated Monday night, tho. > Anyway, the problem seems not to be at my end. > > > Paul Seniura wrote: > > I just opened a PR/misc on this. > > All FTP sites including > > ftp.vmunix.org are showing the > > last delta available was on > > April 19 or earlier. > > No e-mails coming in, either, > > since then. > > > > Please fix ASAP. > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- Paul Seniura > > System Specialist > > State of Okla. D.O.T. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > -- > > Stephen Montgomery-Smith > stephen@math.missouri.edu > http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 17:51:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCCA16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5057D43D31 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pdseniura@techie.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180])1AE2E1802BD5 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:51:30 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.178) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Apr 2004 00:49:53 -0000 Received: by ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CE3EF79004F; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:51:28 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [68.227.96.63] by ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com with http for pdseniura@techie.com; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:51:28 -0600 From: "P.D. Seniura" To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:51:28 -0600 X-Originating-Ip: 68.227.96.63 X-Originating-Server: ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040422005128.CE3EF79004F@ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com> cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:51:31 -0000 Hi again, I got tonight's deltas here thru this e-mail system, but that caused me to remember why I can't use these things. THEY GET BOTCHED thru the crummy e-mail system here. ;-) And our intra-net Lotus Notes is no better. As far as I can see, since we are solely reliant on the FTP sites, we are missing every delta from src-cur after #6291 and from ports-cur after #5222. I just checked here at home, where we have no proxy/cache/firewall issues. The FTP sites indeed have abruptly stopped being updated since late Monday night. They've been doing fine up until then. So it sure seems like something is not working right from your end over to the FTP sites. Somewhere. I'm hurting desparately to get the Puny Pentium2 updated -- it is slow enough trying to keep up, now we are going to be three days behind assuming this gets fixed sometime Thursday. *After* we get the known ATA -current bugs fixed. ;-) I have written-up & sent the request to get our firewall opened, but you know how govmt types are with such dealin's. I'd be doin' better waitin' for y'all to fix this. ;-) If it's not your end, then please send this plea for help to the next link in the chain. I don't know anyone, I don't know who to contact. I'm *desparately* way behind already. PLEASE. I said the last time this happened that the higher-ups are just loving it when 'free' systems break down like this, it gives 'em more incentive to spend your taxes (I pay too) on massively expensive stuff that do the same things. Such is the way of thinkin' in these parts. ;-) The msg I sent just a bit earlier should provide a clue: the subdir dates & times are being updated 'as if' a new file got put in there at the FTP sites, but nothing new is visible. That is a clue. There are no new files there, but the subdir shows something was touched there tonight, yes after tonight's deltas were released. Whatever is the matter, the end result is we can't fetch them deltas, they simply ain't there. Something got broke after Monday night. I'm hoping they aren't running a -current system there because that would've been just about the time the ATA bugs showed up after the commits, bit several people including the Puny Pentium2 I'm using, only I can't get updated, there are just too many patches to manually get from cvsweb. So I must hold everything until this CTM thing is fixed. Thank you & everyone there for helping with this. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:15:09 -0500 To: Paul Seniura Subject: Re: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP > From where I am (creating the deltas) everything looks normal. I did > receive the emails, and my rsync logs indicate the the newly created > deltas are being fetched. > > ftp.freebsd.org tends to be a few days behind, and maybe ftp.vmunix.org > has started to sync with ftp.freebsd.org (but ftp.vmunix.org is still > also directly rsyncing from me). > > Anyway, the problem seems not to be at my end. > > > Paul Seniura wrote: > > I just opened a PR/misc on this. > > All FTP sites including > > ftp.vmunix.org are showing the > > last delta available was on > > April 19 or earlier. > > No e-mails coming in, either, > > since then. > > > > Please fix ASAP. > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- Paul Seniura > > System Specialist > > State of Okla. D.O.T. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > -- > > Stephen Montgomery-Smith > stephen@math.missouri.edu > http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 22 05:11:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC3616A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 05:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FA643D5A for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 05:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with ESMTP id <20040422121114im20053l7te>; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:11:14 +0000 Message-ID: <4087B661.8050407@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:11:13 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040417 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "P.D. Seniura" References: <20040422005128.CE3EF79004F@ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20040422005128.CE3EF79004F@ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:11:15 -0000 As you say, the email problem seems to have been at your end. As for the problem with ftp.vmunix.org, I contacted the maintainer, and it should be getting fixed real soon. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 22 11:11:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C543116A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02.asp.att.net [204.127.203.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8893143D2D for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:11:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02) with ESMTP id <20040422181101mm200b9rv6e>; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:11:01 +0000 Message-ID: <40880AB5.7020108@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:11:01 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040421 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <20040422005128.CE3EF79004F@ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com> <4087B661.8050407@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <4087B661.8050407@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:11:02 -0000 I think I found the problem with the ftp sites for the CTM deltas. Recently was created a new xEmpty for cvs-cur. It seems that rsync takes more than an hour to download this file, by which time a new rsync daemon starts. The effect seems to be that the older rsync process simply stops (although it does not get killed), and the new rsync process starts all over again. A fix to this problem is to reduce the number of times that the rsync update takes place. But really this seems to be a problem with rsync. Any other suggestions? From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 22 11:49:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3F116A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sep.oldach.net (sep.oldach.net [194.180.25.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C415543D58 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:49:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: from sep.oldach.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])i3MIne9O036886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:49:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by sep.oldach.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i3MIncre036885; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:49:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hmo) Message-Id: <200404221849.i3MIncre036885@sep.oldach.net> In-Reply-To: <40880AB5.7020108@math.missouri.edu> from Stephen Montgomery-Smith at "Apr 22, 2004 1:11: 1 pm" To: stephen@math.missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:49:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Helge Oldach X-Message-Flag: No HTML mail please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on sep.oldach.net cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:49:55 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith: > I think I found the problem with the ftp sites for the CTM deltas. Recently was > created a new xEmpty for cvs-cur. It seems that rsync takes more than an hour > to download this file, by which time a new rsync daemon starts. The effect > seems to be that the older rsync process simply stops (although it does not get > killed), and the new rsync process starts all over again. > > A fix to this problem is to reduce the number of times that the rsync update > takes place. But really this seems to be a problem with rsync. Any other > suggestions? Why do you start a new daemon at all? I am using rsync for copying snapshots of running jails to another box, and never found the need to restart rsyncd. If you restart with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/rsyncd.sh stop && /usr/local/etc/rc.d/rsyncd.sh start the rc.subr script should hang until the first rsyncd has finished its transfers. Helge From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 22 14:22:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34C416A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CD043D1F for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:22:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with ESMTP id <20040422212203im200559sne>; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:22:03 +0000 Message-ID: <4088377A.70005@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:22:02 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040421 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Helge Oldach References: <200404221849.i3MIncre036885@sep.oldach.net> In-Reply-To: <200404221849.i3MIncre036885@sep.oldach.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:22:05 -0000 Helge Oldach wrote: > Stephen Montgomery-Smith: > >>I think I found the problem with the ftp sites for the CTM deltas. Recently was >>created a new xEmpty for cvs-cur. It seems that rsync takes more than an hour >>to download this file, by which time a new rsync daemon starts. The effect >>seems to be that the older rsync process simply stops (although it does not get >>killed), and the new rsync process starts all over again. >> >>A fix to this problem is to reduce the number of times that the rsync update >>takes place. But really this seems to be a problem with rsync. Any other >>suggestions? > > > Why do you start a new daemon at all? I am using rsync for copying > snapshots of running jails to another box, and never found the need to > restart rsyncd. > > If you restart with > > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/rsyncd.sh stop && /usr/local/etc/rc.d/rsyncd.sh start > > the rc.subr script should hang until the first rsyncd has finished its > transfers. > > Helge > I use inetd to start rsync. Probably if I did it the way you suggest, this would fix the problems. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 29 18:50:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1081216A4CE for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B9743D1F for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with ESMTP id <20040430015049im200jtl8be>; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:50:49 +0000 Message-ID: <4091B0F9.9060908@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:50:49 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040421 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <20040422005128.CE3EF79004F@ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com> <4087B661.8050407@math.missouri.edu> <40880AB5.7020108@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <40880AB5.7020108@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CTM broke - last available Delta was April 19, please fix ASAP X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:50:51 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > I think I found the problem with the ftp sites for the CTM deltas. > Recently was > created a new xEmpty for cvs-cur. It seems that rsync takes more than > an hour > to download this file, by which time a new rsync daemon starts. The effect > seems to be that the older rsync process simply stops (although it does > not get > killed), and the new rsync process starts all over again. > > A fix to this problem is to reduce the number of times that the rsync > update > takes place. But really this seems to be a problem with rsync. Any other > suggestions? > The rsyncing ftp sites now run rsync every four hours instead of every hour, and the problem seems to be fixed. (In particular, ftp.vmunix.org may be up to four hours behind instead of only an hour behind.) Thanks for bringing the problem to my attention. Best, Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 28 06:42:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B1016A4CE for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 06:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (hoemail2.lucent.com [192.11.226.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0D843D1F for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 06:42:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawnlkennedy@lucent.com) Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) ESMTP id i4SDg1s16935 for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 08:42:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from il0015shawnlke2 (il0015shawnlke2.ih.lucent.com [135.185.54.213]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id i4SDg5f17683; Fri, 28 May 2004 08:42:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Shawn Kennedy" To: Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:42:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Subject: md5 checksum not matching X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:42:30 -0000 Help! I've been using ctm successfully for a couple of months with no problem until now. Went to apply some port updates and now get a md5 checksum mismatch against the INDEX file in my /usr/ports directory. I've re-downloaded the offending update and recreated the INDEX (make index), but to no avail. How do I get past this? Is there a way to skip 1 file? I always rebuild my INDEX file after every update. Shawn ============================== # ctm -v -v /usr/CTM/PORTS/*.5234* Working on Expecting Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> Reference Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> FN: INDEX md5 mismatch. FN: INDEX edit fails. ctm: exit(104) (snippet from a "-V" option) Expecting Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> Reference Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> Pass2 -- Checking if CTM-patch will apply <2.0> <5234> <20040428221744Z> <.> <.ctm_status> <1004> <1004> <644> <29eed1698946b62b19270a2e5b204aa1> <15> <1004> <1004> <644> <96a8c483173870df764fdbefdaee3c26> FN: INDEX md5 mismatch. <3924660> FN: INDEX edit fails. ctm: exit(104) (md5 calculation of INDEX) # md5 INDEX MD5 (INDEX) = 8f5ee54ec4eb93ca31974a1195d7a3c5 From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 28 07:13:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A52216A4CE for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 07:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.dcns.ne.jp (smtp1.dcns.ne.jp [203.178.100.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4461443D1D for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 07:13:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haro@h4.dion.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 1611 invoked from network); 28 May 2004 14:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (211.10.184.118) by smtp1.dcns.ne.jp with SMTP; 28 May 2004 14:12:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 23:12:33 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040528.231233.74757112.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com From: Munehiro Matsuda In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: md5 checksum not matching X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:13:11 -0000 Hi Shawn, You should not edit/change files maintaind with CTM. If you must, you have to add ".ctm" suffix to that file. I your case now, you should do the following procedure to get things back to normal, and continue what you have been doing. # cd /usr/ports # rm INDEX-5 # rm INDEX # ctm -vuF -e INDEX /usr/CTM/PORTS/ports-cur.5200xEmpty.gz # mv INDEX INDEX.ctm # mv INDEX-5 INDEX-5.ctm # ctm -v -v /usr/CTM/PORTS/*.52??.gz # ...Remake INDEX at your needs Hope this helps, Haro =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Internet Solution Dept., Kubota Graphics Technologies Inc. /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan Tel: +81-3-3225-0767 Fax: +81-3-3225-0740 From: "Shawn Kennedy" Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:42:05 -0500 ::Help! :: ::I've been using ctm successfully for a couple of months ::with no problem until now. :: ::Went to apply some port updates and now get a md5 checksum ::mismatch against the INDEX file in my /usr/ports directory. ::I've re-downloaded the offending update and recreated the ::INDEX (make index), but to no avail. :: ::How do I get past this? Is there a way to skip 1 file? ::I always rebuild my INDEX file after every update. :: ::Shawn :: ::============================== :: ::# ctm -v -v /usr/CTM/PORTS/*.5234* ::Working on ::Expecting Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> ::Reference Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> :: FN: INDEX md5 mismatch. :: FN: INDEX edit fails. ::ctm: exit(104) :: ::(snippet from a "-V" option) :: ::Expecting Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> ::<3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> ::Reference Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> ::Pass2 -- Checking if CTM-patch will apply :: ::<2.0> :: ::<5234> ::<20040428221744Z> ::<.> :: ::<.ctm_status> ::<1004> ::<1004> ::<644> :: ::<29eed1698946b62b19270a2e5b204aa1> ::<15> :: :: ::<1004> ::<1004> ::<644> ::<96a8c483173870df764fdbefdaee3c26> :: FN: INDEX md5 mismatch. :: ::<3924660> :: FN: INDEX edit fails. ::ctm: exit(104) :: ::(md5 calculation of INDEX) ::# md5 INDEX ::MD5 (INDEX) = 8f5ee54ec4eb93ca31974a1195d7a3c5 :: ::_______________________________________________ ::ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list ::http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users ::To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 28 07:16:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A0816A4CE for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 07:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E7843D2D for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 07:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with ESMTP id <20040528141617m9100mvg42e>; Fri, 28 May 2004 14:16:21 +0000 Message-ID: <40B749B0.5080104@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:16:16 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040509 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: md5 checksum not matching X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:16:48 -0000 Shawn Kennedy wrote: > Help! > > I've been using ctm successfully for a couple of months > with no problem until now. > > Went to apply some port updates and now get a md5 checksum > mismatch against the INDEX file in my /usr/ports directory. > I've re-downloaded the offending update and recreated the > INDEX (make index), but to no avail. > > How do I get past this? Is there a way to skip 1 file? > I always rebuild my INDEX file after every update. > > Shawn > That is one of the problems with CTM - it doesn't allow for this kind of thing. The best thing to do is to never run make index. I never run it, and it never causes me problems. Every once in a while, the index will be updated by CTM - it won't be absolutely up to date, but most of the time that will be OK. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 28 07:37:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF6F16A4CE for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 07:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from auemail2.firewall.lucent.com (auemail2.lucent.com [192.11.223.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F065543D3F for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 07:37:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawnlkennedy@lucent.com) Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) ESMTP id i4SEami20185; Fri, 28 May 2004 09:36:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from il0015shawnlke2 (il0015shawnlke2.ih.lucent.com [135.185.54.213]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id i4SEalf23531; Fri, 28 May 2004 09:36:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Shawn Kennedy" To: "Munehiro Matsuda" Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:36:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040528.231233.74757112.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> Importance: Normal cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: RE: md5 checksum not matching X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:37:42 -0000 I was able to step around it by blowing away /usr/ports (remembering to keep the distfiles!!!) and rerunning CTM from 5200xEmpty forward. Thank you for the info on how to avoid this in the future!!! Another suggestion give by folks is to never build the INDEX files. I didn't know you could get away with that - I guess I'm still in my old cvsup mode .... :-) Thanks for the quick responses!! Shawn > -----Original Message----- > From: Munehiro Matsuda [mailto:haro@h4.dion.ne.jp] > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:13 AM > To: shawnlkennedy@lucent.com > Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: md5 checksum not matching > > > Hi Shawn, > > You should not edit/change files maintaind with CTM. > If you must, you have to add ".ctm" suffix to that file. > > I your case now, you should do the following procedure > to get things back to normal, and continue what you have > been doing. > > # cd /usr/ports > # rm INDEX-5 > # rm INDEX > # ctm -vuF -e INDEX /usr/CTM/PORTS/ports-cur.5200xEmpty.gz > # mv INDEX INDEX.ctm > # mv INDEX-5 INDEX-5.ctm > # ctm -v -v /usr/CTM/PORTS/*.52??.gz > # ...Remake INDEX at your needs > > Hope this helps, > Haro > =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda > -|- /_\ |_|_| Internet Solution Dept., Kubota Graphics Technologies Inc. > /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan > Tel: +81-3-3225-0767 Fax: +81-3-3225-0740 > > From: "Shawn Kennedy" > Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:42:05 -0500 > ::Help! > :: > ::I've been using ctm successfully for a couple of months > ::with no problem until now. > :: > ::Went to apply some port updates and now get a md5 checksum > ::mismatch against the INDEX file in my /usr/ports directory. > ::I've re-downloaded the offending update and recreated the > ::INDEX (make index), but to no avail. > :: > ::How do I get past this? Is there a way to skip 1 file? > ::I always rebuild my INDEX file after every update. > :: > ::Shawn > :: > ::============================== > :: > ::# ctm -v -v /usr/CTM/PORTS/*.5234* > ::Working on > ::Expecting Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> > ::Reference Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> > :: FN: INDEX md5 mismatch. > :: FN: INDEX edit fails. > ::ctm: exit(104) > :: > ::(snippet from a "-V" option) > :: > ::Expecting Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> > ::<3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> > ::Reference Global MD5 <3e641d33db268e8a86b5ee4925381e49> > ::Pass2 -- Checking if CTM-patch will apply > :: > ::<2.0> > :: > ::<5234> > ::<20040428221744Z> > ::<.> > :: > ::<.ctm_status> > ::<1004> > ::<1004> > ::<644> > :: > ::<29eed1698946b62b19270a2e5b204aa1> > ::<15> > :: > :: > ::<1004> > ::<1004> > ::<644> > ::<96a8c483173870df764fdbefdaee3c26> > :: FN: INDEX md5 mismatch. > :: > ::<3924660> > :: FN: INDEX edit fails. > ::ctm: exit(104) > :: > ::(md5 calculation of INDEX) > ::# md5 INDEX > ::MD5 (INDEX) = 8f5ee54ec4eb93ca31974a1195d7a3c5 > :: > ::_______________________________________________ > ::ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > ::http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > ::To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 22:38:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08FF16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40309.mail.yahoo.com (web40309.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FE0C43D2F for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from satimis@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040605053736.19081.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.88.168.245] by web40309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:37:36 CST Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:37:36 +0800 (CST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephen=20Liu?= To: ctm-users@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: First time running CTM X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 05:38:38 -0000 Hi folks, FreeBSD 5.2 Release ctm is completely new to me. I found it already installed on my PC # whereis ctm ctm: /usr/sbin/ctm /usr/share/man/man1/ctm.1.gz /usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm I am trying to configure it. I read A.4 Using CTM http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.IS...ndbook/ctm.html but I am still not very clear. Hereinunder are my questions 1) Using CTM for the First Time I haven't had a -RELEASE CD. Where can I download the 'starter delta'. My PC is connected to 3MB broadband. 2) Using CTM in Daily Life # df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad4s1a 253678 45854 187530 20% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev /dev/ad4s1e 253678 4812 228572 2% /tmp /dev/ad4s1f 36354884 4975506 28470988 15% /usr /dev/ad4s1d 253678 59724 173660 26% /var Can I establish 'Empty' to /usr/ where has plenty space??? # mkdir -P /usr/home/ctm/curent_delta # cd /usr/home/ctm/curent_delta # ctm -v -v /path/to/starter_delta/download/folder/src-xxx.* (why it needs double '-v' here ???) 3) After step 2) above, now I have the lastest port tree. I then subscribe a CTM distribution list. What shall I do next? Would the ports tree automatically updated whenever I start the PC? Kindly advise. TIA B.R. Stephen Liu _______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 6 14:12:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE78516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B4A43D41 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20040606211209m9200gkeile>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:12:10 +0000 Message-ID: <40C388A9.3000106@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:12:09 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040509 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Liu , ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <20040605053736.19081.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040605053736.19081.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: First time running CTM X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:12:13 -0000 Hi Stephen, Did anyone else reply? CTM is a good way to keep up to date, but cvsup is also a good way. I think that the documentation for ctm is not that great, and so you may find cvsup an easier way to go. I would use ctm only if you have some specific reason to do so (i.e. you are behind a corperate firewall). But I could answer some of your questions. Stephen Liu wrote: > Hi folks, > > FreeBSD 5.2 Release > > ctm is completely new to me. I found it already > installed on my PC > > # whereis ctm > ctm: /usr/sbin/ctm /usr/share/man/man1/ctm.1.gz > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm > > I am trying to configure it. I read A.4 Using CTM > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.IS...ndbook/ctm.html > > but I am still not very clear. > Yes. The docs are not that clear. > Hereinunder are my questions > 1) > Using CTM for the First Time > I haven't had a -RELEASE CD. Where can I download the > 'starter delta'. My PC is connected to 3MB broadband. The docs are somewhat deceptive on this issue. You don't want to use anything off a release CD. You can get all the starter deltas from most any ftp site, e.g. ftp.vmunix.org - they are in with all the regular deltas. > > 2) > Using CTM in Daily Life > > # df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity > Mounted on > /dev/ad4s1a 253678 45854 187530 20% / > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > /dev/ad4s1e 253678 4812 228572 2% /tmp > /dev/ad4s1f 36354884 4975506 28470988 15% /usr > /dev/ad4s1d 253678 59724 173660 26% /var > > Can I establish 'Empty' to /usr/ where has plenty > space??? You can put it anywhere you like. > > # mkdir -P /usr/home/ctm/curent_delta > # cd /usr/home/ctm/curent_delta > # ctm -v -v > /path/to/starter_delta/download/folder/src-xxx.* > (why it needs double '-v' here ???) > You don't need any '-v'. > 3) > After step 2) above, now I have the lastest port tree. > I then subscribe a CTM distribution list. What shall > I do next? > See if cvsup is better for your needs. If not, try to figure out what you can - we can try to answer questions as they come up. > Would the ports tree automatically updated whenever I > start the PC? > No. > Kindly advise. TIA > > B.R. > Stephen Liu > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk > _______________________________________________ > ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 7 04:09:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724C016A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:09:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web40307.mail.yahoo.com (web40307.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E8CD43D2D for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from satimis@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040607040901.1784.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.88.168.119] by web40307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:09:01 CST Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:09:01 +0800 (CST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephen=20Liu?= To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , ctm-users@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <40C388A9.3000106@math.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: First time running CTM X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 04:09:02 -0000 Hi Stephen, Tks for your advice. > Did anyone else reply? NO, you are the first (the only) folk replying my posting on all lists, currently subscribed by me. Neither I can get much technical information of CTM on google search except some Russian sites. Unfortunately I could not read Russian. > CTM is a good way to keep up to date, but cvsup is > also a good way. I think > that the documentation for ctm is not that great, > and so you may find cvsup an > easier way to go. I would use ctm only if you have > some specific reason to do > so (i.e. you are behind a corperate firewall). Last week, on a workstation (not behine a corporate firewall, as super-root (su -) I ran; # cvsup -g /usr/local/etc/cvsup/ports-supfile # cvsup -g /usr/local/etc/cvsup/stable-supfile and then # portupgrade -aRrv0 not very successful, some feature missing after root, portupgrade utilities not working, kde-3.1.4 not upgraded to kde-3.2.2, partition of /var overflown, etc. Fortunately I fixed most problems except kde-3.2.2 upgrade which I will do its installation from binary later and some minor problem. I am prepared to have another round re-running 'cvsup' and 'portupgrade' Because I am running FreeBSD 5.2 on a slow PC, AMD-K6-5.2. Therefore I am planning to run # portupgrade -aRrv0 -x kde then # pkg_delete kde\* arts\* qt\* quanta\* kdevelop\* (to erase existing kde-3.1.4) and then to reinstall kde-3.2.2 from binary # setenv PACKAGESITE http://people.fruitsalad.org/lofi/packages/5.2.1-RELEASE/Latest/ # pkg_add -r kde (I started posting the above to mailing lists/forum for further advice/comment) A folk on freebsd.forum, IIRC, suggested me using CTM, mentioning that he has tried it successfully. He will abandon cvsup forever. That is the whole story. But he has not replied my posting to clarify my questions. - snip - > > Hereinunder are my questions > > 1) > > Using CTM for the First Time > > I haven't had a -RELEASE CD. Where can I download > the > > 'starter delta'. My PC is connected to 3MB > broadband. > > The docs are somewhat deceptive on this issue. You > don't want to use anything > off a release CD. You can get all the starter > deltas from most any ftp site, > e.g. ftp.vmunix.org - they are in with all the > regular deltas. Noted with thanks - snip - > > Can I establish 'Empty' to /usr/ where has plenty > > space??? > > You can put it anywhere you like. Noted. > > # ctm -v -v > > /path/to/starter_delta/download/folder/src-xxx.* > > (why it needs double '-v' here ???) > > You don't need any '-v'. Noted with thanks > > After step 2) above, now I have the lastest port > > tree. > > I then subscribe a CTM distribution list. What > > shall > > I do next? > > See if cvsup is better for your needs. If not, try > to figure out what you can - > we can try to answer questions as they come up. Noted with thanks. If time allows I am willing to learn an alternative of upgrading. I read on google search a new site for CTM is now being built working on a German server. > > Would the ports tree automatically updated > > whenever I > > start the PC? > > No. Oh, I misunderstood that it works on the principle as 'ntp' synchronizing the clock. Tks. B.R. Stephen Liu _______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 7 04:29:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C12A16A683 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:29:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E4C43D2F for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:29:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with ESMTP id <20040607042954m9100n0fmde>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 04:29:54 +0000 Message-ID: <40C3EF3D.1040900@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:29:49 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040509 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Liu References: <20040607040901.1784.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040607040901.1784.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: First time running CTM X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 04:29:52 -0000 I think your problems are with portupgrade, or how you use the ports, rather than with using cvsup/ctm. I don't think that using ctm will help you at all, and I think that you should resolve your issues using cvsup. I think that your best bet is to post to the freebsd-questions mailing list, explaining what doesn't work. You are unlikely to get help from a more specialized lists such as ctm-users. The reason is that it is somewhat apparent from your questions that you are not so knowledgable about the basics of FreeBSD, and people are going to be unwilling to spend a lot of time to help you, because, well, it will be a lot of time. But the freebsd-questions list is designed to help people like you who are getting started. Best, Stephen Stephen Liu wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Tks for your advice. > > >>Did anyone else reply? > > > NO, you are the first (the only) folk replying my > posting on all lists, currently subscribed by me. > Neither I can get much technical information of CTM on > google search except some Russian sites. > Unfortunately I could not read Russian. > > >>CTM is a good way to keep up to date, but cvsup is >>also a good way. I think >>that the documentation for ctm is not that great, >>and so you may find cvsup an >>easier way to go. I would use ctm only if you have >>some specific reason to do >>so (i.e. you are behind a corperate firewall). > > > Last week, on a workstation (not behine a corporate > firewall, as super-root (su -) I ran; > > # cvsup -g /usr/local/etc/cvsup/ports-supfile > # cvsup -g /usr/local/etc/cvsup/stable-supfile > > and then > > # portupgrade -aRrv0 > > not very successful, some feature missing after root, > portupgrade utilities not working, kde-3.1.4 not > upgraded to kde-3.2.2, partition of /var overflown, > etc. Fortunately I fixed most problems except > kde-3.2.2 upgrade which I will do its installation > from binary later and some minor problem. > > I am prepared to have another round re-running 'cvsup' > and 'portupgrade' Because I am running FreeBSD 5.2 on > a slow PC, AMD-K6-5.2. Therefore I am planning to run > > # portupgrade -aRrv0 -x kde > > then > > # pkg_delete kde\* arts\* qt\* quanta\* kdevelop\* > (to erase existing kde-3.1.4) > > and then to reinstall kde-3.2.2 from binary > # setenv PACKAGESITE > http://people.fruitsalad.org/lofi/packages/5.2.1-RELEASE/Latest/ > # pkg_add -r kde > > (I started posting the above to mailing lists/forum > for further advice/comment) > > A folk on freebsd.forum, IIRC, suggested me using CTM, > mentioning that he has tried it successfully. He will > abandon cvsup forever. That is the whole story. But > he has not replied my posting to clarify my questions. > > - snip - > > >>>Hereinunder are my questions >>>1) >>>Using CTM for the First Time >>>I haven't had a -RELEASE CD. Where can I download >> >>the >> >>>'starter delta'. My PC is connected to 3MB >> >>broadband. >> >>The docs are somewhat deceptive on this issue. You >>don't want to use anything >>off a release CD. You can get all the starter >>deltas from most any ftp site, >>e.g. ftp.vmunix.org - they are in with all the >>regular deltas. > > > Noted with thanks > > - snip - > > >>>Can I establish 'Empty' to /usr/ where has plenty >>>space??? >> >>You can put it anywhere you like. > > > Noted. > > >>># ctm -v -v >>>/path/to/starter_delta/download/folder/src-xxx.* >>>(why it needs double '-v' here ???) >> >>You don't need any '-v'. > > > Noted with thanks > > >>>After step 2) above, now I have the lastest port >>>tree. >>> I then subscribe a CTM distribution list. What >>>shall >>>I do next? >> >>See if cvsup is better for your needs. If not, try >>to figure out what you can - >>we can try to answer questions as they come up. > > > Noted with thanks. If time allows I am willing to > learn an alternative of upgrading. I read on google > search a new site for CTM is now being built working > on a German server. > > >>>Would the ports tree automatically updated >>>whenever I >>>start the PC? >> >>No. > > > Oh, I misunderstood that it works on the principle as > 'ntp' synchronizing the clock. > > Tks. > > B.R. > Stephen Liu > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk > > From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 9 08:21:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D4D16A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:21:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.enternet.hu (smtp.enternet.hu [62.112.192.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD2843D39 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:21:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nagylzs@freemail.hu) Received: from freemail.hu (3e44ab6d.adsl.enternet.hu [62.68.171.109]) by smtp.enternet.hu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i698LQqS060944 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:21:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nagylzs@freemail.hu) Message-ID: <40EE5564.9090606@freemail.hu> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:20:52 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nagy_L=E1szl=F3_Zsolt?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.8.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PostgreSQL contrib install from ports X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: nagylzs@freemail.hu List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 08:21:31 -0000 Hi All! FreeBSD 5.2.1, PostgreSQL 7.4.1. I would like to use full text search.. This is in the contrib/tsearch2 module. Unfortunately, I could not install it. Try 1: /usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1 messias# make contrib `contrib' is up to date. messias# Try 2: messias# cd contrib/tsearch2 messias# make "../../src/Makefile.global", line 38: Missing dependency operator "../../src/Makefile.global", line 41: Need an operator "../../src/Makefile.global", line 45: Need an operator "../../src/Makefile.global", line 178: Missing dependency operator "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", line 25: Could not find /usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/contrib/tsearch2/nls.mk "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", line 29: Need an operator "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", line 31: Need an operator "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", line 33: Need an operator "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", line 38: Need an operator "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", line 40: Need an operator Error expanding embedded variable. messias# So the normal 'make' will not compile and install the contrib modules. I can understand. But I cannot compile and install them anyway. Sorry, I know this must be a dumb question. Best, Laci From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 9 09:09:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCF816A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D1543D48 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:09:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (pD950E864.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.232.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6999Ep9012480; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:09:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6998wO2001866; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:09:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i69984Gg002836; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:08:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200407090908.i69984Gg002836@fire.jhs.private> To: nagylzs@freemail.hu From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/~jhs/ Munich Unix, BSD, Internet User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:20:52 +0200." <40EE5564.9090606@freemail.hu> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:08:04 +0200 Sender: jhs@flat.berklix.net cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PostgreSQL contrib install from ports X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:09:19 -0000 Wrong list to ask on, this list if for CTM only. Repost your question elsewhere, I suggest try ports@ or questions@ see http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#mailing-list Reference: > From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nagy_L=E1szl=F3_Zsolt?= > Reply-to: nagylzs@freemail.hu > Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:20:52 +0200 > Message-id: <40EE5564.9090606@freemail.hu> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nagy_L=E1szl=F3_Zsolt?= wrote: > > Hi All! > > FreeBSD 5.2.1, PostgreSQL 7.4.1. > > I would like to use full text search.. This is in the contrib/tsearch2 > module. Unfortunately, I could not install it. > > Try 1: > > /usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1 > messias# make contrib > `contrib' is up to date. > messias# > > Try 2: > > messias# cd contrib/tsearch2 > messias# make > "../../src/Makefile.global", line 38: Missing dependency operator > "../../src/Makefile.global", line 41: Need an operator > "../../src/Makefile.global", line 45: Need an operator > "../../src/Makefile.global", line 178: Missing dependency operator > > > > "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", > line 25: Could not find > /usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/contrib/tsearch2/nls.m > k > > "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", > line 29: Need an operator > "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", > line 31: Need an operator > "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", > line 33: Need an operator > "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", > line 38: Need an operator > "/usr/ports/databases/postgresql7/work/postgresql-7.4.1/src/nls-global.mk", > line 40: Need an operator > Error expanding embedded variable. > messias# > > So the normal 'make' will not compile and install the contrib modules. I > can understand. But I cannot compile > and install them anyway. > > Sorry, I know this must be a dumb question. > Best, > > Laci > > > _______________________________________________ > ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > - Julian Stacey. Unix C & Net Services Consultant, Munich. http://berklix.com Mail Ascii plain text. Html dumped as Spam. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Nimm Schnupftabak ! From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 15 12:25:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724A016A4CE for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:25:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5E243D1D for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:25:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (pD9EB7FB9.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.127.185]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FCPhhB076565 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:25:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7FCPZu7011640 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:25:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FCP9cQ036793 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:25:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by flip.jhs.private (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id i7FBoWsP036421; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:50:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:50:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200408151150.i7FBoWsP036421@flip.jhs.private> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/~jhs/ Fcc: sent-mail User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org Subject: cvs -R export -r RELENG_5_2 src X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:25:47 -0000 In search of something more stable than 5.2.1-RELEASE on my laptop Toshiba Satellite S5100-603 http://berklix.com/~jhs/hw/toshiba/s5100-603/ I have ACPI problems there: It will not boot with ACPI turned on, & mostly ignores fxp0: with ACPI turned off, (+ fear if ACPI off, maybe processor fan control may not work optimally & processor might overheat ?) ... & not wanting to go back to 4.x ) /pub/FreeBSD/branches/4.0-stable exists /pub/FreeBSD/branches/5.0-stable does not. cvs -R export -r RELENG_5_2 src produces a kernel that installs, boots single user, & reports 5.2.1-p9, but hangs just after "Setting hostname" (OK, I havent done a make world yet, that;s now running single user) Anyway, it seems those CVSUP users have a luxury we CTM users don't have: they get to have a more recent kernel, why is that ? Is it lack of human resources to config a new CTM feed, lack of generator machine resources (I could contribute there) ? or is it lack of some CVS tag ? (but if its lack of some CVS tag, how come those CVSUP users get a P9, & we CTM users need to run cvs after receiving the cvs tree by ctm, why can't we have a CTM 5 stable feed. The cvsup folk already have something useful for them. /usr/cvs/src/Makefile,v has: RELENG_5_0:1.271.0.2 RELENG_4:1.234.0.2 RELENG_4_0_0_RELEASE:1.234 RELENG_4_10:1.234.2.19.0.4 RELENG_4_10_0_RELEASE:1.234.2.19 RELENG_4_10_BP:1.234.2.19 RELENG_4_1_0_RELEASE:1.234 RELENG_4_1_1_RELEASE:1.234.2.1 RELENG_4_2_0_RELEASE:1.234.2.3 RELENG_4_3:1.234.2.9.0.2 RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE:1.234.2.9 RELENG_4_3_BP:1.234.2.9 RELENG_4_4:1.234.2.10.0.2 RELENG_4_4_0_RELEASE:1.234.2.10 RELENG_4_4_BP:1.234.2.10 RELENG_4_5:1.234.2.10.0.4 RELENG_4_5_0_RELEASE:1.234.2.10 RELENG_4_5_BP:1.234.2.10 RELENG_4_6:1.234.2.12.0.2 RELENG_4_6_0_RELEASE:1.234.2.12 RELENG_4_6_1_RELEASE:1.234.2.12 RELENG_4_6_2_RELEASE:1.234.2.12 RELENG_4_6_BP:1.234.2.12 RELENG_4_7:1.234.2.18.0.2 RELENG_5_0_0_RELEASE:1.271 RELENG_5_0_BP:1.271 RELENG_5_1:1.280.0.2 RELENG_5_1_0_RELEASE:1.280 RELENG_5_1_BP:1.280 RELENG_5_2:1.291.0.2 RELENG_5_2_0_RELEASE:1.291 RELENG_5_2_1_RELEASE:1.291 RELENG_5_2_BP:1.291 - Julian Stacey. 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Evil Software Patents: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,312066,00.html From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 15 18:49:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E02716A4CE for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:49:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225E743D1D for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:49:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (pD9E4D2BE.dip.t-dialin.net [217.228.210.190]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FInFhB077788; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:49:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from king.jhs.private (king.jhs.private [192.168.91.46]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7FInGbj012579; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:49:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from king.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by king.jhs.private (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7FInA0Z013847; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:49:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@king.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200408151849.i7FInA0Z013847@king.jhs.private> To: Helge Oldach In-Reply-To: Message from Helge Oldach <200408151428.i7FESxPa073839@sep.oldach.net> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:49:10 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs -R export -r RELENG_5_2 src X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:49:25 -0000 I wrote > /usr/cvs/src/Makefile,v has: Whoops ! Posted before I'd trimmed the CVS tags list. Sorry. Helge Oldach wrote: > Julian Stacey: > > Anyway, it seems those CVSUP users have a luxury we CTM users don't > > have: they get to have a more recent kernel, why is that ? > > Do they? Yes. > AFAIK we CTM users basically receive a constant stream of deltas, for > src-4 and src-cur (and ports-cur). Yes. But not src-5 yet (cos no RELENG_5 yet) > 5.2.1-p9 is just a snapshot of this > stream of deltas at a specific given time. No. > However, under CTM it's not > named 5.2.1-p9 but just RELENG_5. No, 5 stable doesn't exist yet. Look in /usr/cvs/src/Makefile,v RELENG_5 is not there yet. just RELENG_5_2 is there. Regardless what { kernel boot & dmesg may report, or ctm or cvsup may badge it as for shipping, or manuals FAQs & doc/ may label or explain it as, or people may loosely refer to stuff as} , the one true absolute reference to code versions is the CVS extract tag for the freebsd.org master CVS tree. ie The cvs tag used by the CTM delta build scripts is what will determine what the content of any CTM stream may be. They weren't going to have a 5-stable until 5.3 (due soon now), that's why there's no /pub/FreeBSD/branches/5.0-stable/ & why there is no /usr/cvs/src/Makefile,v containing tag RELENG_5: as I understand it (though re@ are the ultimate authority, they set the tags). > > how come those > > CVSUP users get a P9, & we CTM users need to run cvs after receiving > > the cvs tree by ctm, why can't we have a CTM 5 stable feed. > > AFAIK src-cur is just that. Not as I understand it. src-cur comes from cvs {default value} -r HEAD > FWIW, I (running src-4 aka 4-STABLE) have added a single line to > sys/conf/newvers.sh: > > --- newvers.sh.ctm Wed May 26 00:38:01 2004 > +++ newvers.sh Thu May 27 23:39:50 2004 > @@ -86,6 +86,7 @@ > > touch version > v=`cat version` u=${USER-root} d=`pwd` h=`hostname` t=`date` > +test -f $(dirname $0)/../../.ctm_status && read DUMMY v <$(dirname $0)/../.. > /.ctm_status > cat << EOF > vers.c > $COPYRIGHT > char sccspad[32 - 4 /* sizeof(sccs) */] = { '\\0' }; > > This overrides the "kernel generation number" and displays the number of > my CTM delta instead: Nice idea. Adding it to my personal tree of hacks I automatically apply ( http://berklix.com/~jhs/bin/.csh/customise ) Thanks. - Julian Stacey. Unix C & Net Services Consultant, Munich. http://berklix.com Mail Ascii plain text. Html dumped as Spam. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Nimm Schnupftabak ! From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 15 19:29:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8255F16A4CF for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:29:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE8C43D1F for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:29:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20040815192913m9200bqe4oe>; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:29:14 +0000 Message-ID: <411FB988.5040304@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:29:12 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040813 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Stacey , ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <200408151848.i7FImG0Z013839@king.jhs.private> In-Reply-To: <200408151848.i7FImG0Z013839@king.jhs.private> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: cvs -R export -r RELENG_5_2 src X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:29:15 -0000 Julian Stacey wrote: > Hi Stephen > (not cc'd ctm-users@freebsd.org as you didn't to me) Yes - that was my mistake. Let me add ctm-users back again. > If you wanted to start src-5 ahead of the oficial 5 stable which > will come out after 5.3 release, ( with the cvs RELENG_5 tag I > believe ) then for now you could set shells etc up to extract with > cvs tag RELENG_5_2 then switch extractor to RELENG_5 later. It > would result in one big delta change at the switch, but apart from > that should work, & would work as a path finder exercise: as your > mirrors are going to need an extra tree, more space, permissions > checked etc when src-5 comes in. So if it's all set up & working > before RELENG_5 appears, your ctms will catch up quickly once it > does, no time delay for setup. > > Your choice if you do or don't. I was thinking of waiting until RELENG_5. If several people would like a src-5 that follows RELENG_5_2 then I will do it, and I really don't think it would greatly add to the overhead of generating CTM's at my end. But since I am anticipating that RELENG_5_2 will not change much at all until RELENG_5, my inclination is to wait. Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 15 19:55:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF7A16AEE0 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:55:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail002.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail002.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691FB43D1F for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:55:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c211-30-75-229.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.75.229]) i7FJtGG18150; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:55:17 +1000 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1])i7FJtGxP020356; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:55:16 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost)i7FJtGEu020355; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:55:16 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:55:16 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Julian Stacey Message-ID: <20040815195516.GL423@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <200408151150.i7FBoWsP036421@flip.jhs.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200408151150.i7FBoWsP036421@flip.jhs.private> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs -R export -r RELENG_5_2 src X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:55:26 -0000 On Sun, 2004-Aug-15 13:50:32 +0200, Julian Stacey wrote: >/pub/FreeBSD/branches/5.0-stable does not. 5-STABLE doesn't exist yet. The upcoming 5.3-RELEASE is planned as the first 5-STABLE release. See http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/5.3R/schedule.html >Anyway, it seems those CVSUP users have a luxury we CTM users don't >have: they get to have a more recent kernel, why is that ? I'm not sure what you are getting at here. CVSup talks directly to a CVS repository and so you get to see commits shortly after they are made. CTM generates update batches every 8 hours and relies on CVSup to access the master repository. CVSup is always going to be more up-to-date than CTM. CVSup also allows you to pick arbitrary CVS tags, wheres CTM is limited to RELENG_3, RELENG_4 and head. If this is a problem, use CTM to replicate the repository and do your own checkout. > why can't we have a CTM 5 stable feed. Because 5-STABLE doesn't exist yet. I'm sure that once it exists, you'll be able to get a CTM feed. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 16 10:09:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828B916A4CE for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:09:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E44B43D49 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:09:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (pD9EB7A7B.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.122.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GA90hB080809; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:09:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from king.jhs.private (king.jhs.private [192.168.91.46]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7GA8j6c002128; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:08:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from king.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by king.jhs.private (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7GA7e1u000460; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:08:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@king.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200408161008.i7GA7e1u000460@king.jhs.private> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Jeremy <20040815195516.GL423@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:07:40 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: cvs -R export -r RELENG_5_2 src X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:09:06 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Sun, 2004-Aug-15 13:50:32 +0200, Julian Stacey wrote: > http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/5.3R/schedule.html Thanks. > >Anyway, it seems those CVSUP users have a luxury we CTM users don't > >have: they get to have a more recent kernel, why is that ? > I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Looking to track beyond 5 releases, but not current ie -r RELENG_5_2 > CVSup also allows you to pick arbitrary CVS tags, wheres CTM is > limited to RELENG_3, RELENG_4 and head. Yes, I was suggesting we use -r RELENG_5_2 in absence of -r RELENG_5 > If this is a problem, use CTM > to replicate the repository and do your own checkout. I did, as written in my initial post "cvs -R export -r RELENG_5_2 src" It had occured to me if I started doing that regularly, & other were too, that was a similar tracking scenario in response to which src-4 was created, so would be useful to have a src-5 even though yes it would be based on RELENG_5_2 & not RELENG_5. > > why can't we have a CTM 5 stable feed. > > Because 5-STABLE doesn't exist yet. Doesn't mean we couldn't export on RELENG_5_2, just not on RELENG_5, it would still allow some tracking up the 5.2 p8 p9 p10 kernel fixes etc. .. till "-r RELENG_5" comes available later. >From what you quoted http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/5.3R/schedule.html RELENG_5 branch creation 16 Aug 2004 That's today, so soon probably, if it doesn't slip a bit. So it looks like my idea came too late, might as well wait for RELENG_5 now. ( But rather than just forget the idea, it might be worth remembering the possibility for when 6.low_somethings come round later. ) - Julian Stacey. 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Evil Software Patents: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,312066,00.html From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 15 14:29:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE56216A4CE for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sep.oldach.net (p5081C592.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.129.197.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F44243D3F for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:29:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: from sep.oldach.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])i7FETFuT073863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:29:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by sep.oldach.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id i7FESxPa073839; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:28:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hmo) Message-Id: <200408151428.i7FESxPa073839@sep.oldach.net> In-Reply-To: <200408151150.i7FBoWsP036421@flip.jhs.private> from Julian Stacey at "Aug 15, 2004 1:50:32 pm" To: jhs@berklix.org (Julian Stacey) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:28:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Helge Oldach X-Message-Flag: No HTML mail please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on sep.oldach.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:43:00 +0000 cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs -R export -r RELENG_5_2 src X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:29:39 -0000 Julian Stacey: > Anyway, it seems those CVSUP users have a luxury we CTM users don't > have: they get to have a more recent kernel, why is that ? Do they? AFAIK we CTM users basically receive a constant stream of deltas, for src-4 and src-cur (and ports-cur). 5.2.1-p9 is just a snapshot of this stream of deltas at a specific given time. However, under CTM it's not named 5.2.1-p9 but just RELENG_5. > how come those > CVSUP users get a P9, & we CTM users need to run cvs after receiving > the cvs tree by ctm, why can't we have a CTM 5 stable feed. AFAIK src-cur is just that. FWIW, I (running src-4 aka 4-STABLE) have added a single line to sys/conf/newvers.sh: --- newvers.sh.ctm Wed May 26 00:38:01 2004 +++ newvers.sh Thu May 27 23:39:50 2004 @@ -86,6 +86,7 @@ touch version v=`cat version` u=${USER-root} d=`pwd` h=`hostname` t=`date` +test -f $(dirname $0)/../../.ctm_status && read DUMMY v <$(dirname $0)/../../.ctm_status cat << EOF > vers.c $COPYRIGHT char sccspad[32 - 4 /* sizeof(sccs) */] = { '\\0' }; This overrides the "kernel generation number" and displays the number of my CTM delta instead: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #1953: Tue Aug 10 12:50:10 CEST 2004 toor@localhost:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC In other words, I am currently on a machine that has src-4.1953.gz applied, but no further deltas. (This may change tonight. :-)) Helge From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 17 23:32:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FD316A4CE for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:32:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5128B43D39 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:32:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with ESMTP id <20040817233246m91006u8a1e>; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:32:46 +0000 Message-ID: <4122959D.9080906@math.missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:32:45 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040815 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RELENG_5 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:32:47 -0000 Wll it looks like FreeBSD-Stable-5 is close to its arrival (i.e. it was supposed to come out yesterday). So it looks like I need to get the ctm-src-5 and ctm-src-5-fast mailing lists established. Can someone remind me who it is that I need to contact in order to get this set up? Thanks, Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 18 16:01:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAAD16A4D5 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:01:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.dcns.ne.jp (smtp1.dcns.ne.jp [203.178.100.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C761743D58 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:00:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from haro@h4.dion.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 28397 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2004 16:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (211.10.184.118) by smtp1.dcns.ne.jp with SMTP; 18 Aug 2004 16:00:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:00:56 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040819.010056.74718420.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org From: Munehiro Matsuda In-Reply-To: <41236E51.5020100@math.missouri.edu> References: <41236E51.5020100@math.missouri.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ctm-src-5 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:01:03 -0000 Hi Stephen, Thanks for all the work on keeping CTM running. Are you going to create a special CTM delta that enables transitions from src-cur to src-5, like we had when src-4 was started? i.e. src-4.0001.from-src-cur.4274.gz Regards, Haro From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:57:21 -0500 ::ctm-src-5 has started operations. src-5.0001.gz should start ::propagating to the ftp servers in a few hours. The mailing lists ::ctm-src-5 and ctm-src-5-fast are ready for subscribers. :: ::As usual, please send messages to ctm-users@freebsd.org if you ::experience any troubles. (But don't be surprized if src-5.0002.gz seems ::to take a long time to get out, as RELENG_5 is currently frozen.) :: ::Stephen =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Internet Solution Dept., Kubota Graphics Technologies Inc. /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan Tel: +81-3-3225-0767 Fax: +81-3-3225-0740 Email: haro@kgt.co.jp From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 18 17:11:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C11C16A4CE for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:11:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36DF43D46 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:11:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20040818171117m920083d3ae>; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:11:17 +0000 Message-ID: <41238DB4.90809@math.missouri.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:11:16 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040815 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <41236E51.5020100@math.missouri.edu> <20040819.005715.74756563.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20040819.005715.74756563.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030203080906070605080308" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: ctm-src-5 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:11:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030203080906070605080308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Munehiro Matsuda wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Thanks for all the work on keeping CTM running. > > Are you going to create a special CTM delta that enables transitions > from src-cur to src-5, like we had when src-4 was started? > i.e. src-4.0001.from-src-cur.4274.gz > The attached file is the delta that will take you from src-cur.6463 to src-5.001. Stephen --------------030203080906070605080308-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 18 17:16:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DD116A4CE for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:16:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3979A43D4C for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:16:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (12-216-240-169.client.mchsi.com[12.216.240.169]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20040818171649m9200hvem6e>; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:16:49 +0000 Message-ID: <41238F01.8030803@math.missouri.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:16:49 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040815 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <41236E51.5020100@math.missouri.edu> <20040819.005715.74756563.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> <41238DB4.90809@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <41238DB4.90809@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ctm-src-5 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:16:50 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Munehiro Matsuda wrote: > >> Hi Stephen, >> >> Thanks for all the work on keeping CTM running. >> >> Are you going to create a special CTM delta that enables transitions >> from src-cur to src-5, like we had when src-4 was started? >> i.e. src-4.0001.from-src-cur.4274.gz >> > > The attached file is the delta that will take you from src-cur.6463 to > src-5.001. > For some reason, the attachment didn't attach. So I have put it at http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen/ctm/ From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 18 22:34:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E7216A4CE for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:34:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.dcns.ne.jp (smtp1.dcns.ne.jp [203.178.100.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BDC1743D2F for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:34:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from haro@h4.dion.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 25987 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2004 22:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (211.10.184.118) by smtp1.dcns.ne.jp with SMTP; 18 Aug 2004 22:34:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:34:15 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040819.073415.41666665.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> To: stephen@math.missouri.edu From: Munehiro Matsuda In-Reply-To: <41238F01.8030803@math.missouri.edu> References: <20040819.005715.74756563.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> <41238DB4.90809@math.missouri.edu> <41238F01.8030803@math.missouri.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctm-src-5 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:34:21 -0000 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:16:49 -0500 ::>> Are you going to create a special CTM delta that enables transitions ::>> from src-cur to src-5, like we had when src-4 was started? ::>> i.e. src-4.0001.from-src-cur.4274.gz ::>> ::> ::> The attached file is the delta that will take you from src-cur.6463 to ::> src-5.001. ::> :: ::For some reason, the attachment didn't attach. So I have put it at :: ::http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen/ctm/ Stephen, Thank you for your quick work. I'll fetch and try out the delta. Best Regards, Haro =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Internet Solution Dept., Kubota Graphics Technologies Inc. /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan Tel: +81-3-3225-0767 Fax: +81-3-3225-0740 Email: haro@kgt.co.jp From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 19 09:29:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC59216A4CE for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:29:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B47243D2D for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:29:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (pD9E4D287.dip.t-dialin.net [217.228.210.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7J9TkhB096388; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:29:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from king.jhs.private (king.jhs.private [192.168.91.46]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7J9TlRN001534; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:29:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from king.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by king.jhs.private (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7J9Td0i000557; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:29:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@king.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200408190929.i7J9Td0i000557@king.jhs.private> To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith In-Reply-To: Message from Stephen Montgomery-Smith <4122959D.9080906@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:29:39 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELENG_5 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:29:50 -0000 Found in my drafts folder from yesterday, sorry for delay. Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Wll it looks like FreeBSD-Stable-5 is close to its arrival (i.e. it was > supposed to come out yesterday). So it looks like I need to get the > ctm-src-5 and ctm-src-5-fast mailing lists established. Can someone > remind me who it is that I need to contact in order to get this set up? mailman@freebsd.org from http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/admin This exists too BTW: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/create but would need a password... so mailman@freebsd.org :-) - Julian Stacey. Unix C & Net Services Consultant, Munich. http://berklix.com Mail Ascii plain text. Html dumped as Spam. 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Evil Software Patents: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,312066,00.html From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 3 02:15:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9F316A4CE for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 02:15:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web21424.mail.yahoo.com (web21424.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A613943D5E for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 02:15:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from daem0npf@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20041103021506.49248.qmail@web21424.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.90.128.27] by web21424.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:15:06 PST Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: Rasmus Vidal To: ctm-users@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: First time ctm user needs help X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 02:15:06 -0000 Good day, I have a workstation at office but I can only access the internet through our proxy server. Someone in the list told me to use CTM. I'm currently using 5.3RC1 and would want to keep in sync with the latest sources of 5.3 and recompile my system. I already have the sources and just want to update it. Upon reading the instructions I went to ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CTM and found these directories: cvs-cur ports-cur src3-cur src4-cur src5-cur src-cur Here are what confuses me: 1. First, if I choose to enter the src5-cur directory above, which file would I pick, the last/latest one dated NOV 1? 2. What are those gzipped files and why are those older files still exists? 3. Another thing is I can't really understand how the CTM process works. Mind if you give me some brief insight on how I will be able to get the latest sources? Thanks a lot for your time and have a nice day! -jayson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 3 05:22:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913A416A4CE for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:22:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sep.oldach.net (sep.oldach.net [194.180.25.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C51E43D31 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:22:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: from sep.oldach.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])iA35Mahu085041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:22:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by sep.oldach.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iA35Mahf085040; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:22:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hmo) Message-Id: <200411030522.iA35Mahf085040@sep.oldach.net> In-Reply-To: <20041103021506.49248.qmail@web21424.mail.yahoo.com> from Rasmus Vidal at "Nov 2, 2004 6:15: 6 pm" To: daem0npf@yahoo.com (Rasmus Vidal) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:22:36 +0100 (CET) From: Helge Oldach <1723456693@oldach.net> X-Message-Flag: No HTML mail please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/564/Fri Oct 29 16:58:02 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on sep.oldach.net X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: First time ctm user needs help X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:22:48 -0000 Rasmus Vidal: > 1. First, if I choose to enter the src5-cur directory > above, which file would I pick, the last/latest one > dated NOV 1? You need to pick all! The first one, src-5.0001.gz, is a huge file and is the "initial segment" of the src-5 release train. The other files are "deltas" against it, and build on top of each other, so you have to apply all files in sequence. Use: ctm -u -b /usr/src src-5.????.gz to unpack all of them in the correct sequence to the (empty!) directory /usr/src. Note that ctm automatically creates a file /usr/src/.ctm_status that contains the number of the last delta applied, so effectively ctm would not re-apply deltas that already have been applied. Helge From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 13:31:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730E516A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:31:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web40609.mail.yahoo.com (web40609.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4899F43D39 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:31:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dbase77@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26763 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2004 13:31:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IHAvs1Yo+DsSYvExJUOs8B6HG7Is2/DjBzQU/rwpwlIJlJTWgotethCxj5kHuOiMEfKlycpRC47poyZEQfGcmvYCLxAXP80+PmHhgQNj7OlnycaYz2v0/f4KOlcJRmnhsp8XB6Xt2HRVicGdEcxHbtJvEIHpd7chQsjEaENZVq4= ; Message-ID: <20041118133102.26761.qmail@web40609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.77.163.226] by web40609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:31:02 GMT Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:31:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "Feroz F. Basir" To: ctm-users@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: corrupt patch - ports-cur.5513.gz X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:31:02 -0000 Hi, Anybody out there got the same error as below when trying to apply port CTM? Working on Expecting Global MD5 Reference Global MD5 FR: INDEX md5 mismatch. Fatal error. (/usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm/ctm/ctm_input.c:51) /usr/ctm/ports/ports-cur.5513.gz Fatal error: Corrupt patch. Expected "\n" but didn't find it {20}. ctm: exit(96) regards, Feroz ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Basir" at "Nov 18, 2004 1:31: 2 pm" To: dbase77@yahoo.com (Feroz F. Basir) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:35:37 +0100 (CET) From: Helge Oldach X-Message-Flag: No HTML mail please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/584/Wed Nov 10 15:59:51 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on sep.oldach.net X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupt patch - ports-cur.5513.gz X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:36:00 -0000 Feroz F. Basir: > Working on > Expecting Global MD5 > > Reference Global MD5 > > FR: INDEX md5 mismatch. > Fatal error. > (/usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm/ctm/ctm_input.c:51) > /usr/ctm/ports/ports-cur.5513.gz Fatal error: Corrupt > patch. > Expected "\n" but didn't find it {20}. > ctm: exit(96) This has been discussed on src. Most likely you have generated a ports/INDEX file yourself, whose md5 does not match the md5 of the INDEX file that shall be deleted (ctm "FR" command). Hence ctm refuses to delete it and stops. I have solved this with "ctm -x INDEX". Regards, Helge From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 16:49:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0E616A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:49:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web40624.mail.yahoo.com (web40624.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A6E643D39 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:49:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dbase77@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39038 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2004 16:49:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Z4WXb79Z+LiLHa1wxgF1wSZV4QrmBp9lw+5swHj7nk7FPMuZCpuTTuv9UdkogoP1uqPQO1H5h1XEUDQGWzlEjiMLXgDGANRRLKjzekhIsEdQFrPX73q3h0Ig/B5uCtgh+U9EswMf9ENPbPr/f4qQA3VXkrQ6LVo4q5Ag/sxCyX4= ; Message-ID: <20041118164957.39036.qmail@web40624.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.77.163.226] by web40624.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:49:57 GMT Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:49:57 +0000 (GMT) From: "Feroz F. Basir" To: Helge Oldach In-Reply-To: <200411181635.iAIGZbah030292@sep.oldach.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupt patch - ports-cur.5513.gz X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:49:58 -0000 Hi, Thank you for replying. I didnt know that this issue already discussed since my src is fine. Anyway thanks for the solution. regards, feroz --- Helge Oldach wrote: > Feroz F. Basir: > > Working on > > Expecting Global MD5 > > > > Reference Global MD5 > > > > FR: INDEX md5 mismatch. > > Fatal error. > > (/usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm/ctm/ctm_input.c:51) > > /usr/ctm/ports/ports-cur.5513.gz Fatal error: > Corrupt > > patch. > > Expected "\n" but didn't find it {20}. > > ctm: exit(96) > > This has been discussed on src. Most likely you have > generated a > ports/INDEX file yourself, whose md5 does not match > the md5 of the INDEX > file that shall be deleted (ctm "FR" command). Hence > ctm refuses to > delete it and stops. > > I have solved this with "ctm -x INDEX". > > Regards, > Helge > ___________________________________________________________ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 16:55:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6056916A56F for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:55:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web40624.mail.yahoo.com (web40624.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3018E43D3F for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:55:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dbase77@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39759 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2004 16:55:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=S8Wtus9lrll7kfTseEO8FTLZoTKCFuwsK3JNv53WMLOW5wday9eVAimDZlG4w9pwMbDMyVHCtL0OMouoC/SQxzooeuZYWye+8JL0FRqzZxiM5ytE+GhnFYzM+OZQvcn9fv9w5wkLo3dbqCfequnxK/MLpi6l8R3hnnuh4W8yMQE= ; Message-ID: <20041118165516.39757.qmail@web40624.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.77.163.226] by web40624.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:55:16 GMT Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:55:16 +0000 (GMT) From: "Feroz F. Basir" To: Helge Oldach In-Reply-To: <200411181635.iAIGZbah030292@sep.oldach.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupt patch - ports-cur.5513.gz X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:55:17 -0000 Hi, Forgot to ask you something. What do I need to do? Just type in "ctm -x INDEX" under /usr/ports? After that continue applying the port CTM. Thank you. regards, feroz --- Helge Oldach wrote: > Feroz F. Basir: > > Working on > > Expecting Global MD5 > > > > Reference Global MD5 > > > > FR: INDEX md5 mismatch. > > Fatal error. > > (/usr/src/usr.sbin/ctm/ctm/ctm_input.c:51) > > /usr/ctm/ports/ports-cur.5513.gz Fatal error: > Corrupt > > patch. > > Expected "\n" but didn't find it {20}. > > ctm: exit(96) > > This has been discussed on src. Most likely you have > generated a > ports/INDEX file yourself, whose md5 does not match > the md5 of the INDEX > file that shall be deleted (ctm "FR" command). Hence > ctm refuses to > delete it and stops. > > I have solved this with "ctm -x INDEX". > > Regards, > Helge > ===== --------------------- Feroz Fazidi Basir yonez dot net http://www.yonez.net ___________________________________________________________ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 16:58:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853BF16A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:58:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sep.oldach.net (sep.oldach.net [194.180.25.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F9043D46 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:58:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: from sep.oldach.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])iAIGw9r0032504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:58:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by sep.oldach.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iAIGw9Fj032503; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:58:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hmo) Message-Id: <200411181658.iAIGw9Fj032503@sep.oldach.net> In-Reply-To: <20041118165516.39757.qmail@web40624.mail.yahoo.com> from "Feroz F. Basir" at "Nov 18, 2004 4:55:16 pm" To: dbase77@yahoo.com (Feroz F. Basir) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:58:09 +0100 (CET) From: Helge Oldach X-Message-Flag: No HTML mail please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/584/Wed Nov 10 15:59:51 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on sep.oldach.net X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupt patch - ports-cur.5513.gz X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:58:21 -0000 Feroz F. Basir: > Forgot to ask you something. What do I need to do? > Just type in "ctm -x INDEX" under /usr/ports? After > that continue applying the port CTM. Depends on how you normally apply deltas. I personally would use ctm -x INDEX -u -b /usr/ports ports-cur.5513.gz Helge From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 17:04:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F6B16A4D1 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:04:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web40603.mail.yahoo.com (web40603.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B2B843D1F for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:04:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dbase77@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35654 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2004 17:04:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=elQ83BC5LEwOA7oWJ0RsJhRtW/CqOo1wuh2gAPw0e8gw0US6GN+3s97dLPYyvzVKHJWm/rw1FzQ553o73foQUXNXV+bjqSlaisEeosF/kEkCG2aow2xKfSU+SI35ZLrVBfpSj+ObzhiqflUSkF3Er9N1azjqmbpk9b7DziQAPy4= ; Message-ID: <20041118170432.35652.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.77.163.226] by web40603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:04:32 GMT Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:04:32 +0000 (GMT) From: "Feroz F. Basir" To: Helge Oldach In-Reply-To: <200411181658.iAIGw9Fj032503@sep.oldach.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupt patch - ports-cur.5513.gz X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:04:32 -0000 Hi, My mistake. I should read man ctm first. Anyway -x is to exclude file. Now its working fine. Thanks again. regards, feroz --- Helge Oldach wrote: > Feroz F. Basir: > > Forgot to ask you something. What do I need to do? > > Just type in "ctm -x INDEX" under /usr/ports? > After > > that continue applying the port CTM. > > Depends on how you normally apply deltas. I > personally would use > > ctm -x INDEX -u -b /usr/ports ports-cur.5513.gz > > Helge > ___________________________________________________________ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 14 16:15:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726BB16A41C for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:15:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from haro@h4.dion.ne.jp) Received: from smtp1.dcns.ne.jp (smtp1.dcns.ne.jp [203.178.100.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1894743D46 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:15:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from haro@h4.dion.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 6229 invoked by uid 503); 15 Jul 2005 01:15:56 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (211.10.184.118) by smtp1.dcns.ne.jp with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 01:15:56 +0900 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:13:58 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050715.011358.78703119.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> To: ctm-users@freebsd.org From: Munehiro Matsuda X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Time frame for src-6 ? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:15:58 -0000 Hi all, Are there any plan/timeframe on start of CTM delta for src-6? Thanks in advance, Haro =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Internet Solution Dept., KGT Inc. /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan Tel: +81-3-3225-0767 Fax: +81-3-3225-0740 From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 14 18:01:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5D816A425 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:01:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6848743D49 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:01:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.4] (12-216-244-56.client.mchsi.com[12.216.244.56]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20050714180129m920006gfpe>; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:01:29 +0000 Message-ID: <42D6A878.8040806@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:01:28 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050710 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Munehiro Matsuda References: <20050715.011358.78703119.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20050715.011358.78703119.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time frame for src-6 ? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:01:31 -0000 Munehiro Matsuda wrote: > Hi all, > > Are there any plan/timeframe on start of CTM delta for src-6? > > Thanks in advance, > Haro It looks like I haven't been paying attention. Is there a RELENG_6 out now? If so, I can get it set up very soon (a matter of days). The mailing lists might take a little longer, but mostly because I have to remember who is the right person to contact about it. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 14 19:00:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D13816A503 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:00:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B0943D46 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:00:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.4] (12-216-244-56.client.mchsi.com[12.216.244.56]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20050714190007m920006i58e>; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:00:07 +0000 Message-ID: <42D6B637.3050709@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:00:07 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050710 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <20050715.011358.78703119.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> <42D6A878.8040806@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <42D6A878.8040806@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time frame for src-6 ? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:00:11 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Munehiro Matsuda wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Are there any plan/timeframe on start of CTM delta for src-6? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Haro I have got the src-6 CTM creation process going. You should see src-6.0001.gz on your ftp servers soon. Can anyone remind me about who to contact about setting up the ctm-src-6 and ctm-src-6-fast mailing lists? Also, does anyone want a delta that converts src-5 to src-6? I could do one, but they are fiddly to make, and I would rather not do it unless there is a request. Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 14 20:00:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6CE16A41C for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:00:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B751643D45 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:00:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.4] (12-216-244-56.client.mchsi.com[12.216.244.56]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20050714200019m920006mgje>; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:00:21 +0000 Message-ID: <42D6C453.9010600@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:00:19 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050710 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <20050715.011358.78703119.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> <42D6A878.8040806@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <42D6A878.8040806@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time frame for src-6 ? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:00:22 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Munehiro Matsuda wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Are there any plan/timeframe on start of CTM delta for src-6? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Haro > > > It looks like I haven't been paying attention. Is there a RELENG_6 out > now? If so, I can get it set up very soon (a matter of days). The > mailing lists might take a little longer, but mostly because I have to > remember who is the right person to contact about it. The mailing lists are now established. The next CTM creation cycle will begin in just over an hour, so we will see if it is all in working order soon. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 14 23:00:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F2716A41C for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:00:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from haro@h4.dion.ne.jp) Received: from smtp1.dcns.ne.jp (smtp1.dcns.ne.jp [203.178.100.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF4FC43D48 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:00:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from haro@h4.dion.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 27947 invoked by uid 503); 15 Jul 2005 08:00:34 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (211.10.184.118) by smtp1.dcns.ne.jp with SMTP; 15 Jul 2005 08:00:34 +0900 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:58:25 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050715.075825.48536096.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> To: stephen@math.missouri.edu From: Munehiro Matsuda In-Reply-To: <42D6C453.9010600@math.missouri.edu> References: <20050715.011358.78703119.haro@h4.dion.ne.jp> <42D6A878.8040806@math.missouri.edu> <42D6C453.9010600@math.missouri.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time frame for src-6 ? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:00:36 -0000 Hi Stephen, Thank you very much. Now I have to get my side of thing ready. ;-) Regards, Haro From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:00:19 -0500 ::Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: ::> Munehiro Matsuda wrote: ::> ::>> Hi all, ::>> ::>> Are there any plan/timeframe on start of CTM delta for src-6? ::>> ::>> Thanks in advance, ::>> Haro ::> ::> ::> It looks like I haven't been paying attention. Is there a RELENG_6 out ::> now? If so, I can get it set up very soon (a matter of days). The ::> mailing lists might take a little longer, but mostly because I have to ::> remember who is the right person to contact about it. :: ::The mailing lists are now established. The next CTM creation cycle will ::begin in just over an hour, so we will see if it is all in working order ::soon. :: =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Internet Solution Dept., KGT Inc. /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan Tel: +81-3-3225-0767 Fax: +81-3-3225-0740 From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 4 23:42:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A4216A420 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:42:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from giroux3497@rogers.com) Received: from smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27E7443D5E for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:42:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from giroux3497@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 5162 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 23:42:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE; b=m30YXBrI84ssT3G2REbWRsT+9ph9qFmFbetj3NLmqbQ/qWv7DR1/MAmR4jemXDODE/vXaAhVx9WBECjR4PGJWkzuA7Jk3WScTvDPP7Fd2KncVp9yzQS2dhMcrRXtbfw6VABv/HYeL9ulwUDB1Yny0RBv88UoHLlGOTPzyEvjkPY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO cr557107a) (giroux3497@rogers.com@69.198.130.175 with login) by smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2005 23:42:52 -0000 From: "Michael Boulet" To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:50:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: I'm Looking for a Matthew Kanner - Carleton U Alumni X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:42:57 -0000 Can you help? 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From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 5 17:15:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEB416A41F for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:15:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0371E43D4C for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:15:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [128.206.49.166] (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.166]) by math.missouri.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jB5HFRIF041375 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:15:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <439475AE.4050406@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:15:26 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Organization: University of Missouri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051202 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.0 required=4.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on math.missouri.edu X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.71, clamav-milter version 0.71 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: src-3 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:15:29 -0000 Is there anyone who still uses CTM with src-3? 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From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 5 00:11:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E773616A4D8 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Wallace@northwestern.edu) Received: from i122064048.rivernet.com.au (i122064048.rivernet.com.au [203.122.64.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 841B743D62 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:10:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Wallace@northwestern.edu) Message-ID: <9D03C34C.1945596@citynet.net> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:10:54 +1100 From: Renee User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: question about your photo X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:11:06 -0000 I've accidently found [1]your photo at a flickr and i'm very interested in it. Can you tell me what place i can see in the background of it? --- wbr, Guillermo References 1. file://localhost/home/cmf3/tasks/keeper_au_new/0lXwcx/http://mdjadozone.org/flickr.html From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 8 15:32:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBD016A412 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:32:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC1743CA5 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:31:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so724799uge for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 07:31:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=O5Dm2fH8WqtAvwx0jR+9hhjZfF3AjpGRbqYngto+DdX/0Au+5KveIwqILsWrMRlAmEvHoBsXhQ73SWZbGBkeNP1+mgkTCHzneY2V1snrhRvZ0CiT7W7FKD2Jhzw+FYMlzp2qC1D9vfC3m3sP2N8FOWlcibuUXbvt5VbzIq4jmWI= Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr5385336ugg.1165591918986; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 07:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.86.15 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 07:31:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <790a9fff0612080731n17d518cen2f781cdab6e9f813@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:31:58 -0600 From: "Scot Hetzel" To: mirror-admin@FreeBSD.org, ctm-users@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: CTM deltas missing from ftp mirrors X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:32:01 -0000 I usually get the CTM deltas for cvs-cur from ftp4.freebsd.org. When I went to that site yesterday, the last CTM delta was 12923, which was created on Dec 4th. I then signed up for the CTM mailing list, to check if the CTM deltas were being created, and today I received cvs-cur.12933 via mail. I then checked several FTP sites (ftp{,1-9}{,.ar,.de}.freebsd.org) and these sites only had the CTM cvs-cur deltas <= 12923 on them. I also looked at the other CTM deltas on the ftp sites (i.e. ftp.freebsd.org): cvs-cur.12923 Dec 4 ports-cur.6577 Dec 4 src-4.2287 Nov 29 src-5.0750 Nov 11 src-6.0634 Dec 4 src-cur.7653 Dec 5 It looks as though something is not saving the CTM Deltas to the master ftp site, so that they can be distributed to the other mirrors. Thanks for looking into this problem. Scot -- DISCLAIMER: No electrons were mamed while sending this message. Only slightly bruised. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 8 18:25:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14B416A407; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5B143CAA; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:24:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [128.206.49.166] (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.166]) by math.missouri.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB8IP0J5046343; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:25:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <4579ADFC.4010100@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:25:00 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Organization: University of Missouri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20061206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scot Hetzel References: <790a9fff0612080731n17d518cen2f781cdab6e9f813@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <790a9fff0612080731n17d518cen2f781cdab6e9f813@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org, mirror-admin@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTM deltas missing from ftp mirrors X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:25:01 -0000 For some reason, ftp-master.freebsd.org seems to have stopped collecting them since Dec 4. Hence no mirror will be up to date. They are available at ftp://ftp.vmunix.org, which rsyncs them from the source seperately. I hope that the owner of ftp-master will communicate with me so that we can put this right. (I am looking at my own hosts-allow files and my messages file to see if it is my fault. So far I haven't found anything, but I'll keep looking.) Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Stephen Scot Hetzel wrote: > I usually get the CTM deltas for cvs-cur from ftp4.freebsd.org. When > I went to that site yesterday, the last CTM delta was 12923, which was > created on Dec 4th. > > I then signed up for the CTM mailing list, to check if the CTM deltas > were being created, and today I received cvs-cur.12933 via mail. > > I then checked several FTP sites (ftp{,1-9}{,.ar,.de}.freebsd.org) and > these sites only had the CTM cvs-cur deltas <= 12923 on them. > > I also looked at the other CTM deltas on the ftp sites (i.e. > ftp.freebsd.org): > > cvs-cur.12923 Dec 4 > ports-cur.6577 Dec 4 > src-4.2287 Nov 29 > src-5.0750 Nov 11 > src-6.0634 Dec 4 > src-cur.7653 Dec 5 > > It looks as though something is not saving the CTM Deltas to the > master ftp site, so that they can be distributed to the other mirrors. > > Thanks for looking into this problem. > > Scot -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 8 18:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6A316A403; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from opus.cse.buffalo.edu (opus.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BED43CA2; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:33:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.cse.buffalo.edu [127.0.0.1]) by opus.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id kB8IXwiD034073; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:33:58 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Smith To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith In-Reply-To: <4579ADFC.4010100@math.missouri.edu> References: <790a9fff0612080731n17d518cen2f781cdab6e9f813@mail.gmail.com> <4579ADFC.4010100@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-DuHMPHpi+Fva8KZWnIfL" Organization: U. Buffalo CSE Department Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:33:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1165602838.33078.15.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org, mirror-admin@freebsd.org, Scot Hetzel Subject: Re: CTM deltas missing from ftp mirrors X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:34:00 -0000 --=-DuHMPHpi+Fva8KZWnIfL Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 12:25 -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > For some reason, ftp-master.freebsd.org seems to have stopped collecting=20 > them since Dec 4. Hence no mirror will be up to date. >=20 > They are available at ftp://ftp.vmunix.org, which rsyncs them from the=20 > source seperately. >=20 > I hope that the owner of ftp-master will communicate with me so that we=20 > can put this right. (I am looking at my own hosts-allow files and my=20 > messages file to see if it is my fault. So far I haven't found=20 > anything, but I'll keep looking.) >=20 > Thank you for bringing this to my attention. ftp-master has unfortunately had a failure in its RAID disk system that was severe enough to take it offline. We're working to get it running again but at the moment we don't know when that will be. Sorry for the inconvenience. --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-DuHMPHpi+Fva8KZWnIfL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFebAW/G14VSmup/YRAlKeAKCYkgqNUrwRjtnjEK5Qj+AY2uQrBACff0k7 pUB1Coe/EuxZ5XjwDcIFO6U= =/YpT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-DuHMPHpi+Fva8KZWnIfL-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 8 19:25:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9015F16A415 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 19:25:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C967243CAD for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 19:24:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [128.206.49.166] (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.166]) by math.missouri.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB8JP7dC048619 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:25:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <4579BC13.8030800@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:25:07 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Organization: University of Missouri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20061206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <790a9fff0612080731n17d518cen2f781cdab6e9f813@mail.gmail.com> <4579ADFC.4010100@math.missouri.edu> <1165602838.33078.15.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <1165602838.33078.15.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CTM deltas missing from ftp mirrors X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:25:08 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 12:25 -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >>For some reason, ftp-master.freebsd.org seems to have stopped collecting >>them since Dec 4. Hence no mirror will be up to date. >> >>They are available at ftp://ftp.vmunix.org, which rsyncs them from the >>source seperately. >> >>I hope that the owner of ftp-master will communicate with me so that we >>can put this right. (I am looking at my own hosts-allow files and my >>messages file to see if it is my fault. So far I haven't found >>anything, but I'll keep looking.) >> >>Thank you for bringing this to my attention. > > > ftp-master has unfortunately had a failure in its RAID disk system that > was severe enough to take it offline. We're working to get it running > again but at the moment we don't know when that will be. > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > But presumably it will be fixed in due course. In the meantime, get your CTM deltas from ftp://ftp.vmunix.org -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 12 05:44:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2ABE16A417 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen.hocking@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938C143CA6 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:43:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stephen.hocking@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so903969nzh for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:44:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=lpH63MmhsI71DsGJn+xpJr8kVKDBd+e2vQg54kNrjFcbNJzkZZYle0BnWy5wFGqDziP5rp/qIEXPrdZ66S0MJ/ed+LDrYswtEFGiHdqn1CjqMVjZhhx4gw1kExRXzYptLmyo654PUMKZGpr93GAVV3dqNLlZ+FpJC1jVFS58O1Y= Received: by 10.65.147.1 with SMTP id z1mr12430753qbn.1165902281730; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.216.7 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:44:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6300771b0612112144x2ea37bci579de20e5bcfb1af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:44:41 +1100 From: "Stephen Hocking" To: ctm-users@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Missing updates and mailing list archives... X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:44:49 -0000 Hi all, I've noticed that we haven't had any fetchable ctm updates since the 5th - is anyone looking into this? And how do I search past archives of this list - I can't seem to find it in the standard list of lists on the FreeBSD web site. Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 12 10:36:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D2916A403 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail30.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail30.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0337F43CAC for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:35:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c58-107-94-118.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.107.94.118]) by mail30.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCAaqYC017983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:36:57 +1100 Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCAaquL001890; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:36:52 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id kBCAapQw001889; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:36:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:36:51 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Stephen Hocking Message-ID: <20061212103651.GA1722@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <6300771b0612112144x2ea37bci579de20e5bcfb1af@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="azLHFNyN32YCQGCU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6300771b0612112144x2ea37bci579de20e5bcfb1af@mail.gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Missing updates and mailing list archives... X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:36:59 -0000 --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-Dec-12 16:44:41 +1100, Stephen Hocking wrote: >I've noticed that we haven't had any fetchable ctm updates since the 5th - All seems OK here: server% lt ctm total 419750 -r--r--r-- 1 peter jeremy 102104 11 Dec 18:22 cvs-cur.12941.gz -r--r--r-- 1 peter jeremy 827327 11 Dec 02:23 cvs-cur.12940.gz -r--r--r-- 1 peter jeremy 32490 10 Dec 18:22 cvs-cur.12939.gz > And how do I search past archives of this list Try looking in the list archive as documented in the mail headers, or via the link in the mailman signature block. --=20 Peter Jeremy --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFfoZD/opHv/APuIcRAoKkAJ4qvMDh8Kmci8znR92RNb9qcWJfMgCgjopW ywHaFc9hMVeVW66eukU0v5E= =hyZn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 14 03:49:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7B216A412 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alasdawittman@maryknoll.org) Received: from maquet.com (82.200.129.39.adsl.online.kz [82.200.129.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3792543C9D for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:47:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alasdawittman@maryknoll.org) Message-ID: <01c71f32$ed7ce680$2781c852@User02> From: "Vasya Latour" To: "Shin Longacre" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:49:59 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C71F63.7763A1B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: cente = accumulatio X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vasya Latour List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:49:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C71F63.7763A1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, wonderful, youre a big help. 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Cooked down to essentials it means that we can see quite clearly . . . will go on the way it was. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C71F63.7763A1B0-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 2 16:32:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE6F16A403 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu (math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD6B13C47E for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [128.206.184.213] (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by math.missouri.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12FqWSm028506 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:52:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:52:32 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Organization: University of Missouri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20070131 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.4 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=failed version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on math.missouri.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/2516/Fri Feb 2 05:09:07 2007 on math.missouri.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: src-4 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:32:01 -0000 RELENG_4 seems to have reached its end of line. I am contemplating closing src-4. What do you people think? (It is actually very little effort for me to keep it going, so if anyone has any reason whatsoever to keep it open, I will do so - I am only contemplating closing for housekeeping reasons.) -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 3 17:20:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A046C16A403 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:20:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F6813C441 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:20:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A7506.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.117.6]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l13GqRd4015502; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:52:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13GqNVI023742; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:52:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13GqNdZ094789; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:52:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200702031652.l13GqNdZ094789@fire.jhs.private> To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org X-URL: http://berklix.com X-Fallback: jhs@mail.brierdr.com, jhs@freebsd.org, jhs@berklix.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:52:32 CST." <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:52:23 +0100 Sender: jhs@flat.berklix.net Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: src-4 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:20:42 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > RELENG_4 seems to have reached its end of line. I am contemplating > closing src-4. What do you people think? (It is actually very little > effort for me to keep it going, so if anyone has any reason whatsoever > to keep it open, I will do so - I am only contemplating closing for > housekeeping reasons.) I have various machines (some on 6, but some) stuck on 4: - 5 doesnt install on some laptops, - There's an fdisk systctl pain with newer fdisk affecting the console-less scanner http://www.berklix.com/scanjet/ - gnokii (nokia coms port) fails on 6, works on 4 (I've largely dropped 5) - one of my public servers on 4 (that will change) - I've even got a genuine 386 in tiny chassis runs 4.11 - & suspicion about lower performance if upgrading to 5 or 6. Probably there's lots of boxes & users out there, who/ which still use 4. They probably just don't correspond with FreeBSD policy makers, I'd suggest leave 4 CTMs in place for a while, Thanks Stephen. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Vista of a Bill from Redmond ? http://berklix.com/free-talk-on-free-software/ From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 3 17:58:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA16416A405 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (gerbercreations.com [71.39.140.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60AB13C467 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.1/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l13HjbKH069021; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.1/8.13.3/Submit) id l13Hjadu069020; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:45:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:45:35 -0800 From: Greg Lewis To: Julian Stacey Message-ID: <20070203174535.GA68904@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> <200702031652.l13GqNdZ094789@fire.jhs.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200702031652.l13GqNdZ094789@fire.jhs.private> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: src-4 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:58:55 -0000 On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 05:52:23PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > RELENG_4 seems to have reached its end of line. I am contemplating > > closing src-4. What do you people think? (It is actually very little > > effort for me to keep it going, so if anyone has any reason whatsoever > > to keep it open, I will do so - I am only contemplating closing for > > housekeeping reasons.) > > I have various machines (some on 6, but some) stuck on 4: > - 5 doesnt install on some laptops, > - There's an fdisk systctl pain with newer fdisk affecting the > console-less scanner http://www.berklix.com/scanjet/ > - gnokii (nokia coms port) fails on 6, works on 4 (I've largely dropped 5) > - one of my public servers on 4 (that will change) > - I've even got a genuine 386 in tiny chassis runs 4.11 - & > suspicion about lower performance if upgrading to 5 or 6. > > Probably there's lots of boxes & users out there, who/ which still use 4. > They probably just don't correspond with FreeBSD policy makers, > I'd suggest leave 4 CTMs in place for a while, Thanks Stephen. The decision on whether or not to drop src-4 isn't related to whether people still have machines running 4.x (I have a couple as well). The key factor is whether developers are going to continue to commit to the RELENG_4 branch. Now, while I wouldn't rule out the occasional stray commit, I would say that RELENG_4 is pretty much dead. Both the security officer and the ports team just put what should be the final nails in the coffin. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 3 18:33:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4941416A400 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:33:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D023F13C441 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A65A4.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.101.164]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l13IWxrK022530; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:33:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13IWwxs024077; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:32:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13IWw8R096457; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:32:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200702031832.l13IWw8R096457@fire.jhs.private> To: Greg Lewis In-reply-to: <20070203174535.GA68904@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> <200702031652.l13GqNdZ094789@fire.jhs.private> <20070203174535.GA68904@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Comments: In-reply-to Greg Lewis message dated "Sat, 03 Feb 2007 09:45:35 -0800." Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:32:58 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: src-4 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:33:27 -0000 > RELENG_4 branch. Now, while I wouldn't rule out the occasional stray > commit, I would say that RELENG_4 is pretty much dead. The aggregate of stray commits to RELENG_4 will do no good to ctm users if ctm-4 is not there, just CVSup users will benefit. BSD gets business credibility by stability & not rushing to judgement. Individuals who do not want ctm-src-4 should unsubscribe it, but not attempt to deny ctm-src-4 to others. When diminishing src-4 list no longer warrants Stephen's space & bandwidth he'll know & tell us. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Vista of a Bill from Redmond ? http://berklix.com/free-talk-on-free-software/ From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 3 21:59:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB21016A402 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70C613C474 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.4] (12-216-254-44.client.mchsi.com[12.216.254.44]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20070203214907m92001k9h2e>; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:49:07 +0000 Message-ID: <45C50353.8050207@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:49:07 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20070131 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> <20070203213621.GG909@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20070203213621.GG909@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: src-4 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:59:51 -0000 Based on the responses, I am keeping src-4 going for now. Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 3 22:00:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5DD16A401 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-3-125.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.3.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F3D13C481 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13LaLRB014423; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:36:21 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l13LaLWN014422; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:36:21 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:36:21 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20070203213621.GG909@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vEao7xgI/oilGqZ+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: src-4 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:00:04 -0000 --vEao7xgI/oilGqZ+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-Feb-02 09:52:32 -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >RELENG_4 seems to have reached its end of line. I am contemplating=20 >closing src-4. What do you people think? When a reminder of the EOL was posted late last year, there were a flurry of "we still need 4.x" messages. Looking at the src-4 tree, there is still some activity and this probably won't cease immediately. > (It is actually very little=20 >effort for me to keep it going, In which case, I'd suggest leaving it going for 3-6 months and then reviewing the situation. If there's no longer any activity, then it can be shutdown. For anyone who needs 4.x, cvs-cur is always an alternative: Replicate the CVS repository and check out your own 4.x tree. Whilst this does cost an extra ~3.5GB disk space, it's much easier to manage your own local patches and you have ready access to more recent versions of the source if you want/need to backport changes. --=20 Peter Jeremy --vEao7xgI/oilGqZ+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFxQBV/opHv/APuIcRAsDMAJ47NLBRYs52LW0jqR2r3uBIUH+ghQCfQ0nK y/62+CeqJJ3WnOIexPgxbno= =bnbW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vEao7xgI/oilGqZ+--