From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 06:01:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8CB16A402; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lmth@deakin.edu.au) Received: from deakin.edu.au (tegmen.its.deakin.edu.au [128.184.136.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E87913C483; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:01:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lmth@deakin.edu.au) Received: from localhost (tegmen-1.its.deakin.edu.au [128.184.136.55]) by deakin.edu.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2E5Ab6h023979; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:10:37 +1100 Received: from lonax11-a021.dialup.optusnet.com.au (lonax11-a021.dialup.optusnet.com.au [211.29.243.21]) by mail.deakin.edu.au (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:10:36 +1100 Message-ID: <20070314161036.zdk6rvzb40ws8scw@mail.deakin.edu.au> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:10:36 +1100 From: lmth@deakin.edu.au To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Cc: Subject: A request for your input. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:01:03 -0000 Hello My name is Lara Thynne and I am a PhD candidate at Deakin University Australia. I am currently researching the boundary between work and leisure activities directly related to the open source community and open source program development. As part of this I am running a survey at the following address. https://dcarf.deakin.edu.au/surveys/oss/ The survey is completely confidential and looks at your views and motivations to use Open Source software and to participate in the community. It will only take a five to ten minutes to complete and your contact details will not be recorded. You can withdraw your participation at any stage. I sincerely apologize for the spammish nature of this e-mail - I don't mean to abuse this list. I am trying to collect responses from as many open source developers and users as possible and a mailing list like can be the only way to reach many developers. Thanks again Lara P.S The program that I am using is open source, of course (www.phpsurveyor.org)! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 14 12:17:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB3716A400 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC5313C4D5 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:17:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so139040wxc for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:17:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gym7L0gk27Ch8zXMQ8iwOALyRgnX7lRKKTSCEUb7AAE0XevaoAL/22Kprz0fRooQKfvS0FD0nQaWJfKhNbvwkCGHKfyt2ANPP/Un+ukxA8QK6N4G46IGDC0NSbg722y5aYLkJIL1wtHrLY3gu9NtKy72r58tNZkescGG8acHQZw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TiV3uNs6YUxXikhJo0AXspMVSrMBQje/zSS03XQh0OEw7a1Mguh2OGPhl1k0CvTCNcDyR3+2OngzJfHtOXde6zDqH1f82Ccp5vidqMKAVhnVcFjZDDKFJRV0+V/xZz5mL+Ya65tpW6WwlSqL+eEMlt9jktL22fc7bVJOtfBuKxA= Received: by 10.100.195.10 with SMTP id s10mr1694743anf.1173872944136; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.166.13 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:49:04 +1100 From: Sunnz To: "lmth@deakin.edu.au" In-Reply-To: <20070314161036.zdk6rvzb40ws8scw@mail.deakin.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070314161036.zdk6rvzb40ws8scw@mail.deakin.edu.au> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A request for your input. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:17:32 -0000 "On a scale of 1 to 5 how important are the following things in your decision to work on an Open Source project?" And the choices are: Very Important Important Moderately Important Of little Importance Unimportant No answer Sorry to be annoying over these tiny details... ~_~ 2007/3/14, lmth@deakin.edu.au : > Hello > > My name is Lara Thynne and I am a PhD candidate at Deakin University > Australia. I am currently researching the boundary between work and > leisure activities directly related to the open source community and > open source program development. > > As part of this I am running a survey at the following address. > > https://dcarf.deakin.edu.au/surveys/oss/ > > The survey is completely confidential and looks at your views and > motivations to use Open Source software and to participate in the > community. > > It will only take a five to ten minutes to complete and your contact > details will not be recorded. You can withdraw your participation at > any stage. > > I sincerely apologize for the spammish nature of this e-mail - I > don't mean to abuse this list. I am trying to collect responses > from as many open source developers and users as possible and a > mailing list like can be the only way to reach many developers. > > Thanks again > > Lara > > P.S The program that I am using is open source, of course > (www.phpsurveyor.org)! > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 15 01:08:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBBA16A404 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D12713C455 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (inchoate.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2F0i0av033372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:14:01 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "Kip Macy" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:13:56 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart55902664.Oh1B2DeULB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200703151113.57847.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -3.274 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: Nikolas Britton , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:08:00 -0000 --nextPart55902664.Oh1B2DeULB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline [moved to -chat] On Wednesday 14 March 2007 08:16, Kip Macy wrote: > Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and > goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 > support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI > because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia > driver. I have a friend who has basically abandoned his dual-head > Nvidia card due to recurring issues. Well, the open source 2d only stuff works for more modern nvidia chipsets I= =20 believe (although I don't have a 7800 or 8800 to test it with). I have had a few issues with the nvidia binary driver but by in large it wo= rks=20 very well. I'd prefer open source support too but I don't think it's an especially=20 realistic dream (for full 3d support from a modern card). =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart55902664.Oh1B2DeULB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBF+JbN5ZPcIHs/zowRAth5AJ9Q4nTY28XXarVWBUxFNp/3tC7SzACdGJ39 6lyPrtTiNXhkmc1zdqBgMFo= =gzjw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart55902664.Oh1B2DeULB-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 16 01:47:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9CC16A401 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:47:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason@dixongroup.net) Received: from mx1.dixongroup.net (mx1.dixongroup.net [38.98.104.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C7613C457 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason@dixongroup.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.dixongroup.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dixongroup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E05F92036 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.dixongroup.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.dixongroup.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22632-02 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.9] (pool-151-196-11-192.balt.east.verizon.net [151.196.11.192]) by mail.dixongroup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774AC91F38 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6C21453C-469C-4667-82AF-2123CF533EFA@dixongroup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Jason Dixon Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at dixongroup.net Subject: Announcing the MetaBUG X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:47:12 -0000 We are officially announcing the MetaBUG, a global BSD users group dedicated to the advocacy of BSD. The goals of MetaBUG are: - Foster inter-BUG relations to increase unity in the BSD community - Increase awareness of user groups - Share resources, materials, and information to promote BSD - Distribute live feeds of speaker presentations - Assist in starting or growing local BUGs - Provide a BSD user group for users with no local BUG access One of the most interesting features will be video streams of member presentations. This allows us to offer audio/video streams of live presentations to users around the globe. If your BSD user group is interested in collaborating with other BUGs, or you're a user without access to your own local group, join the talk@metabug.org mailing list. For more details, please visit http://metabug.org/ or send your questions to info@metabug.org. Thanks, -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 16 11:15:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150F016A405; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771D713C448; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:15:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (ilclej@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2GBFmJG057118; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:15:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id l2GBFmNm057117; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:15:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:15:48 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200703161115.l2GBFmNm057117@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, volker@vwsoft.com In-Reply-To: <45FA6FC8.8090606@vwsoft.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:15:53 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: open source graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, volker@vwsoft.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:15:55 -0000 Note: This is off-topic on the -stable list, so it should better go to the -chat list. Volker wrote: > I've followed the thread "don't buy ati products" not very closely > but one thing comes to mind: > > Years ago we've had a lot of card / chip manufacturers on the > market. When thinking about this currently really just two chip > manufacturers are coming into my mind. This is bad. > > It's probably a crazy idea but what about an open source graphics card? > > There are similar projects already like OsCar so the idea of open > source hardware development is not really new but probably exciting. > Aren't there any hw devs reading and motivated? > > Imagine a graphics chip with a BSD style license... ;) > > Just dreaming? Yes, just dreaming. In today's graphics cards there are _huge_ amounts of know-how, a considerable number of patents and a large amount of research and development time. Modern GPUs contain several hundreds of millions of transistors and require a 90nm (or less) fabrication process. Another thing to keep in mind: In order to produce a competitive graphics card today (at a competitive price!), it must be at least on par with the "big ones", which requires DirectX 9 and HDCP support, among other things. Did I already mention patents? Personally, I prefer intel graphics (i915, i945 etc.). They have open-source drivers that work very well. The 3D performance is not as good as the top-of-the-line ATI or nVidia products, but it's good enough to play OpenGL games such as ports/games/crack-attack or kobo-deluxe. That's more than enough for me. YMMV, of course. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "To this day, many C programmers believe that 'strong typing' just means pounding extra hard on the keyboard." -- Peter van der Linden From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 16 11:23:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4182B16A403; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:23:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1A713C505; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (gbshkj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2GBNIdf057449; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:23:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id l2GBNI2B057448; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:23:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:23:18 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200703161123.l2GBNI2B057448@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, go@sib-ecometall.ru In-Reply-To: <20070316105110.GA92752@go.sib-ecometall.ru> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:23:23 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: open source graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, go@sib-ecometall.ru List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:23:25 -0000 Oleg Gritsak wrote: > I'm 99% sure, that open source principle is suitable only for software dev. > And OS car is a crappiest idea of all. Production (and research) requires > very expensive equipment. Fullstop. Nothing else can be said here, I think. Well, there are several open-source processors, most notable the "OpenSPARC" from Sun which is an open-source UltraSPARC T1 multicore CPU. For more examples, see this page: http://www.opencores.org/ Wikipedia has a whole lot of open-source hardware listed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_hardware Best regards Oliver PS: Please move this discussion to the -chat list. -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd (On the statement print "42 monkeys" + "1 snake":) By the way, both perl and Python get this wrong. Perl gives 43 and Python gives "42 monkeys1 snake", when the answer is clearly "41 monkeys and 1 fat snake". -- Jim Fulton From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 16 12:19:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829DF16A401; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EE913C455; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92B620C2; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:58:25 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B942E20BE; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:58:25 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A0A12B88E; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:58:25 +0100 (CET) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Volker References: <45FA6FC8.8090606@vwsoft.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:58:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <45FA6FC8.8090606@vwsoft.com> (volker@vwsoft.com's message of "Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:22:00 +0100") Message-ID: <86abyd2ye6.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: open source graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:19:31 -0000 Volker writes: > It's probably a crazy idea but what about an open source graphics card? It's been done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Graphics_Project http://wiki.duskglow.com/tiki-index.php?page=3DOpen-Graphics DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 17 00:52:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6F416A400 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from cydem.org (S0106000103ce4c9c.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.27.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D411A13C457 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from freen0de (unknown [128.189.255.59]) by cydem.org (Postfix/FreeBSD) with ESMTP id 108F090CB0; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:19:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:18:54 -0700 From: To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, volker@vwsoft.com Message-ID: <20070316171854.5395a8d7@freen0de> In-Reply-To: <200703161115.l2GBFmNm057117@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <45FA6FC8.8090606@vwsoft.com> <200703161115.l2GBFmNm057117@lurza.secnetix.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.5.2 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: olli@lurza.secnetix.de Subject: Re: open source graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:52:19 -0000 > Another thing to keep in mind: In order to produce a > competitive graphics card today (at a competitive price!), > it must be at least on par with the "big ones", which > requires DirectX 9 and HDCP support, among other things. DirectX, HDCP, and other garbage is not open source, thus ought to be disregarded. There is OpenGL, plain unencrypted video, etc. > Did I already mention patents? Basically, you aren't getting hardware for free anyway, open "source" or not (unless you own a PCB mill and a chip making plant). So, paying due "respects" to the inventors who hold patents should be considered part of the cost (unless the tax is ridiculously inflated). > Best regards > Oliver [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2