From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 13 02:40:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFC716A400 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 02:40:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF7213C45E for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 02:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) id l4D2eUWo003749; Sat, 12 May 2007 21:40:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:40:30 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20070513024030.GE2364@dan.emsphone.com> References: <464464BB.3090100@freebsd.org> <20070511152646.g6n5r7k2tcw00ow4@webmail.leidinger.net> <464476D3.3090001@freebsd.org> <4645173A.2040008@freebsd.org> <20070512205110.U24765@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070512205110.U24765@fledge.watson.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) Cc: Kian Mohageri , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup (revisited) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 02:40:56 -0000 In the last episode (May 12), Robert Watson said: > Call me old-fashioned, but I actually preferred the much more > abbreviated rc output from before rc.d even. :-) We're not going > back to hardware devices where all the probed devices add up to > fewer than 25 lines, I'm sure, but when daemons generated 8-12 > characters without a carriage return each, there was a good chance > you could still see the end of the kernel messages by the time you > got to login:, and I miss that. I don't object to optional more > complex output as long as that complexity is hidden away neatly > somewhere in rc.subr, and isn't on by default as shipped. I'd love > it if someone could restore the even shorter output we had before. Taken to an extreme, you have Solaris 10, where you get the kernel's copyright message, smf kicks off all the startup scripts in parallel (subject to dependency rules) in the background, their output goes into individual logfiles, and all you see is the login: prompt at the console :) -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com