From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 8 16:16:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFB616A400 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from myardbenoit@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2072A13C457 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from myardbenoit@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1801031wxc for ; Tue, 08 May 2007 09:16:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=TzY8DFyVgFpFZJpWfMq82JSjwBCubZLy5fIJVoSpxSyKlGxPaPmtLl0ih6FrKM5de45qQkloiuQKyhyh6RkJ3JjZ9g85AzOMFdDUzlxxf+qRz1xOaDRnrfgIkWvtFM+rgMb86P3JCSyA2uixwYjqH/w0DYvKHEhM5zzDscv0CqU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Fj7QJyCGXElw+zcHM/YWmrTXiTzdHJuInNI5qYAGKv60QZmRCt9RIGwENicNhi71JOU9qa1KkKbVmBboeMx4PDGXIA9j2cPzOqpVzkgtxbZc5KMfJa7QRhaIebHBjMEgRYdCbQYeavfMY+Wdwt6Zf7feOqaM2YmpmHIOwp2zNs0= Received: by 10.90.105.19 with SMTP id d19mr6392670agc.1178639411811; Tue, 08 May 2007 08:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.30.19 with HTTP; Tue, 8 May 2007 08:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6fb81fc70705080850vfb87cd8u70c7d44ed9eeae25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:50:11 +0200 From: "Benoit Myard" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:16:57 -0000 -- Benoit Myard From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 15:04:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5AE16A409 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 15:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richardm@grenadianone.com) Received: from a2s13.a2hosting.com (a2s13.a2hosting.com [69.39.88.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804E613C4C6 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 15:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richardm@grenadianone.com) Received: from [216.110.114.157] (helo=[127.0.0.1]) by a2s13.a2hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlmeY-0004XS-FV for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 09:56:26 -0400 Message-ID: <4641D2FA.9060009@grenadianone.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 09:56:10 -0400 From: Richard McNeilly User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-A2hosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-A2hosting-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-A2hosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-A2hosting-MailScanner-From: richardm@grenadianone.com X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s13.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - grenadianone.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 15:04:26 -0000 I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more familiar with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD is the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an email server. What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a software package available to easily administer email accounts or does it all have to be done with custom scripts. I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. Regards, Richard From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 15:04:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8930A16A406 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 15:04:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richardm@grenadianone.com) Received: from a2s13.a2hosting.com (a2s13.a2hosting.com [69.39.88.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7FB13C4CB for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 15:04:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richardm@grenadianone.com) Received: from [216.110.114.157] (helo=[127.0.0.1]) by a2s13.a2hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlmeQ-00046d-9R for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 09:56:18 -0400 Message-ID: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 09:55:55 -0400 From: Richard McNeilly User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-A2hosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-A2hosting-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-A2hosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-A2hosting-MailScanner-From: richardm@grenadianone.com X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s13.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - grenadianone.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 15:04:28 -0000 I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more familiar with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD is the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an email server. What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a software package available to easily administer email accounts or does it all have to be done with custom scripts. I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. Regards, Richard From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 15:25:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB67216A400 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 15:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tibor@tibor.org) Received: from alpha.tibor.org (66-230-99-2-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net [66.230.99.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8ED13C448 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 15:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tibor@tibor.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.tibor.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l49FPBRH098446; Wed, 9 May 2007 07:25:11 -0800 (AKDT) (envelope-from tibor@tibor.org) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 07:25:11 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mike Tibor To: Richard McNeilly In-Reply-To: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> Message-ID: <20070509070843.G98236@alpha.tibor.org> References: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (alpha.tibor.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 09 May 2007 07:25:11 -0800 (AKDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 15:25:12 -0000 On Wed, 9 May 2007, Richard McNeilly wrote: > I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more familiar with > Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD is the more > stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an email server. > > What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email server? > local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a software > package available to easily administer email accounts or does it all have to > be done with custom scripts. > > I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. > > Regards, > Richard As much as I like FreeBSD, a good Linux distribution works just fine in the ISP setting--it really boils down to the skill sets of the people who are going to be working on them. If your people have lots of experience with one, but not the other, it makes little sense to force upon them the one they're unfamiliar with simply because someone else thinks it's technically better. Keep in mind though that sendmail configuration on Linux is pretty much the same as sendmail configuration on FreeBSD, so we're kind of splitting hairs here. Methods of managing users probably depends on the size of the user base. My guess is that you'd be much happier managing users in an LDAP back end instead of local users. There's lots of stuff out there for managing accounts in LDAP--LDAP Account Manager is one of them, and it's in the ports tree. Mike From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 15:49:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A9416A406 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 15:49:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3A113C480 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 15:49:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l49FZ9E4059803; Wed, 9 May 2007 11:35:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id l49FZ4Xa059802; Wed, 9 May 2007 11:35:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:35:04 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: Mike Tibor Message-ID: <20070509153504.GJ59104@wjv.com> References: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> <20070509070843.G98236@alpha.tibor.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070509070843.G98236@alpha.tibor.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on bilver.wjv.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Richard McNeilly Subject: Re: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 15:49:19 -0000 Throwing caution to the wind and speaking without thinking about what was being said on Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:25 , Mike Tibor blurted this: > On Wed, 9 May 2007, Richard McNeilly wrote: > >I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more > >familiar with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed > >out that FreeBSD is the more stable and reliable choice for an > >ISP. Especially as an email server. > >What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to > >the email server? local users or is there a database solution. > >Also is there a software package available to easily administer > >email accounts or does it all have to be done with custom > >scripts. > >I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. > > > >Regards, > >Richard > As much as I like FreeBSD, a good Linux distribution works just > fine in the ISP setting--it really boils down to the skill sets > of the people who are going to be working on them. If your > people have lots of experience with one, but not the other, it > makes little sense to force upon them the one they're unfamiliar > with simply because someone else thinks it's technically better. > Keep in mind though that sendmail configuration on Linux is > pretty much the same as sendmail configuration on FreeBSD, so > we're kind of splitting hairs here. The configuration is not quite the same depending upon the distribution you use. SuSE for example puts the configuration files in another place, and if you use their YAST or other tool, you can easily make mistakes that really aren't that visible. I had a problem where mail to any MS site would bounce, with some error that was not artfully crafted and semi-masked the error - while mail to any other mail server not running MS software went through just fine. That was a pain to find. As to skill sets for Linux vs FreeBSD - if the system is only going to be a mail server there is not that much you will have to learn. > Methods of managing users probably depends on the size of the user base. > My guess is that you'd be much happier managing users in an LDAP back end > instead of local users. There's lots of stuff out there for managing > accounts in LDAP--LDAP Account Manager is one of them, and it's in the > ports tree. > > Mike Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 16:19:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159C416A4CB for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brdbrd@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65F513C50B for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brdbrd@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so266875nze for ; Wed, 09 May 2007 09:19:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=l39TvUoV3YtwQVP81RGXGqhLctRS+p+cbPfltkM0bNWBKgeVy4xYmMNcU9DbHzOfIRet1MPLCVv09el35iY5C3kvE2XArmP0lUI0mQ3S1QtVSRvxBTKKv/5Vrj+lPU6sKGaaGB1p2jS5BXJQzbUYrLm7k3TGie31m1D6A13ibmo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ZauMoFIS/uUVXMeUTWz68GXtKARkfgS5mITd2i/Gm88PltMY5VidVTJ+oYDd4Onzmu93cRcjz0URzP/rtHDQCSzNNrghqVAOQWoWdNHMrvsY5vFl7In77GiBy7rq4xjOC7m/TmqGV1vx7omdZI9aIa7EjP5yGAc8oE8+L4iugCE= Received: by 10.114.205.1 with SMTP id c1mr221900wag.1178725870945; Wed, 09 May 2007 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.173.13 with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2007 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35ffa5710705090851k69519652vbcad04778cf6362@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:51:10 -0600 From: "Brad Davis" Sender: brdbrd@gmail.com To: "Richard McNeilly" In-Reply-To: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f9b48f8d6cfa43c6 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 16:19:41 -0000 On 5/9/07, Richard McNeilly wrote: > I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more familiar > with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD is > the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an email > server. > > What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email > server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a > software package available to easily administer email accounts or does > it all have to be done with custom scripts. > > I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. I highly recommend running Postfix.. It is a very easy to learn and has lots of advanced features such as being able to authenticate/query databases (mysql,postgres) or LDAP in addition to the normal stuff. I also recommend this book (The Book of Postfix): http://www.amazon.com/Book-Postfix-State-Art-Transport/dp/1593270011/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8305754-1665625?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178725829&sr=8-1 Regards, Brad Davis From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 18:05:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A2E16A402 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edlucero@internetcrusade.com) Received: from omx3.sandiegort.com (omx3.sandiegort.com [69.43.139.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9183B13C45E for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edlucero@internetcrusade.com) Received: from cs1.sandiegort.com (cs1.sandiegort.com [69.43.139.61]) by omx3.sandiegort.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BECE0A1 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:49:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sandiegort.com Received: from TECHED (unknown [192.168.5.30]) by cs1.sandiegort.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119694AC18 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ed Lucero" To: References: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> In-Reply-To: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:49:00 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c79262$532b5eb0$f9821c10$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AceSS+SrFQdGE3nZT/6QqDmzVv1p1QAFlTbA Content-Language: en-us Subject: RE: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:05:17 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Richard McNeilly > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 6:56 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Email server recommendation > > I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more familiar > with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD > is > the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an email > server. > > What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email > server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a > software package available to easily administer email accounts or does > it all have to be done with custom scripts. > > I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. > > Regards, > Richard > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" FreeBSD Postfix front end, with sqlgrey, and policyd, mysql. Content scanning server is in the middle, using postfix , amavisd, clamav, spamassassin, mysql. Dovecot mail repository server. Postfix, dovecot, mysql. Outbound server. Postfix. Ed From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 18:05:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCA016A403 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 18:05:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom.yerex@science.ubc.ca) Received: from gable.science.ubc.ca (gable.science.ubc.ca [142.103.151.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C05313C4B8 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 18:05:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom.yerex@science.ubc.ca) Received: from gable.science.ubc.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gable.science.ubc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5ED6006E1AD; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:34:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <35ffa5710705090851k69519652vbcad04778cf6362@mail.gmail.com> To: "Richard McNeilly" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.2 September 26, 2006 Message-ID: From: Tom Yerex Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:34:53 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on GABLE/UBC(Release 7.0.2FP1|January 10, 2007) at 05/09/2007 10:34:53, Serialize complete at 05/09/2007 10:34:53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:05:59 -0000 I recommend Postfix as well. I have tried Exim, Sendmail, hMailServer (a MS-Windows solution), but I have always come back to Postfix as a great combination of easy-to-configure, use, and stable. A friend told me that Courier Mail Server is attractive as a "do all" solution, but I have no personal experience other than the Courier IMAP solution, which worked very well. Cheers, Tom Yerex "Brad Davis" Sent by: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org 05/09/2007 09:19 AM To "Richard McNeilly" cc freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject Re: Email server recommendation On 5/9/07, Richard McNeilly wrote: > I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more familiar > with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD is > the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an email > server. > > What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email > server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a > software package available to easily administer email accounts or does > it all have to be done with custom scripts. > > I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. I highly recommend running Postfix.. It is a very easy to learn and has lots of advanced features such as being able to authenticate/query databases (mysql,postgres) or LDAP in addition to the normal stuff. I also recommend this book (The Book of Postfix): http://www.amazon.com/Book-Postfix-State-Art-Transport/dp/1593270011/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8305754-1665625?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178725829&sr=8-1 Regards, Brad Davis _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 18:30:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7191216A405 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 18:30:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ah@crypta.net) Received: from mail.crypta.net (mail.crypta.net [83.136.131.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323FF13C459 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 18:30:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ah@crypta.net) Received: by mail.crypta.net (cryptobank/eProtect-smtpd, from userid 1001) id 1D201ECD53F; Wed, 9 May 2007 20:10:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:10:59 +0200 From: Andy Hilker To: Richard McNeilly Message-ID: <20070509181059.GA4516@mail.crypta.net> References: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-PGP-Key: http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xEC6E1071 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9B2E 5892 AD93 D5C5 FB8E 3912 35D6 951B EC6E 1071 Organization: cryptobank - Andy Hilker Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:30:00 -0000 Hi, You (Richard McNeilly) wrote: > I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more familiar > with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD is > the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an email > server. > > What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email > server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a > software package available to easily administer email accounts or does > it all have to be done with custom scripts. > > I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. Take a look here: http://www.dbmail.org/ It has a freebsd port. The database will contain the users including all mail data and filters. POP3/IMAP will work directly on the database. It is recommended to put a real MTA in front (public MTA), like postfix. You can easily connect it to dbmail and have some running config (like domains) in mysql. Squirrelmail can work as webmail client. bye, Andy -- Dipl.-Inf. Univ. Andy Hilker IT project management and consulting with focus on security, UNIX, ISP ah@cryptobank.de | http://www.cryptobank.de | Munich & Hildesheim, Germany From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 19:14:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD3C16A402 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 19:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edlucero@internetcrusade.com) Received: from omx3.sandiegort.com (omx3.sandiegort.com [69.43.139.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7586213C455 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 19:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edlucero@internetcrusade.com) Received: from cs4.sandiegort.com (cs4.sandiegort.com [69.43.139.74]) by omx3.sandiegort.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41015EA47 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 12:14:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sandiegort.com Received: from TECHED (unknown [192.168.5.30]) by cs4.sandiegort.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A864AC25 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 12:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ed Lucero" To: References: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> <20070509181059.GA4516@mail.crypta.net> In-Reply-To: <20070509181059.GA4516@mail.crypta.net> Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 12:14:04 -0700 Message-ID: <004901c7926e$35c577a0$a15066e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AceSaFCbtw39yMQfQgmcD6iR3TPdhAAA4KLA Content-Language: en-us Subject: RE: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 19:14:05 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Andy Hilker > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:11 AM > To: Richard McNeilly > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Email server recommendation > > Hi, > > You (Richard McNeilly) wrote: > > I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more > familiar > > with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD > is > > the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an > email > > server. > > > > What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email > > server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there > a > > software package available to easily administer email accounts or > does > > it all have to be done with custom scripts. > > > > I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. > > > Take a look here: http://www.dbmail.org/ It has a freebsd port. The > database will contain the users including all mail data and filters. > POP3/IMAP will work directly on the database. It is recommended to > put a real MTA in front (public MTA), like postfix. You can easily > connect it to dbmail and have some running config (like domains) > in mysql. Squirrelmail can work as webmail client. > > bye, > Andy > > -- > Dipl.-Inf. Univ. Andy Hilker > IT project management and consulting with focus on security, UNIX, ISP > ah@cryptobank.de | http://www.cryptobank.de | Munich & Hildesheim, > Germany > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I considered Dbmail. But it is still very new, and not many bigger organizations are using it that I could see. So I will be doing dovecot. But DBmail is very interesting. E From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 19:38:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF9C16A400 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 19:38:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jtregunna@blurgle.ca) Received: from picard.blurgle.ca (picard.blurgle.ca [64.187.9.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B15B13C469 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 19:38:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jtregunna@blurgle.ca) Received: from [192.168.7.2] (office.highspeedfx.net [64.187.18.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by picard.blurgle.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l49J9sWB070106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 9 May 2007 15:09:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jtregunna@blurgle.ca) In-Reply-To: <003101c79262$532b5eb0$f9821c10$@com> References: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> <003101c79262$532b5eb0$f9821c10$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Jeremy Tregunna Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:12:54 -0400 To: Ed Lucero X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 19:38:06 -0000 I would actually strongly recommend against spamassassin -- it is heavy on the resource usage, which is fine for a small mail server but once you start handling millions of messages a day, DSPAM really shines big time over that of SA. -- Jeremy Tregunna jtregunna@blurgle.ca On 9-May-07, at 1:49 PM, Ed Lucero wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- >> isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Richard McNeilly >> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 6:56 AM >> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >> Subject: Email server recommendation >> >> I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more >> familiar >> with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD >> is >> the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an >> email >> server. >> >> What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email >> server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is >> there a >> software package available to easily administer email accounts or >> does >> it all have to be done with custom scripts. >> >> I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. >> >> Regards, >> Richard >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > FreeBSD > > Postfix front end, with sqlgrey, and policyd, mysql. > > Content scanning server is in the middle, using postfix , amavisd, > clamav, > spamassassin, mysql. > > Dovecot mail repository server. Postfix, dovecot, mysql. > > Outbound server. Postfix. > > Ed > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > !DSPAM:46420c54687431478217226! > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 9 20:41:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406AA16A403 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 20:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edlucero@internetcrusade.com) Received: from omx4.sandiegort.com (omx4.sandiegort.com [69.43.139.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2609E13C457 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 20:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edlucero@internetcrusade.com) Received: from cs1.sandiegort.com (cs1.sandiegort.com [69.43.139.61]) by omx4.sandiegort.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB26A68220 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 13:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sandiegort.com Received: from TECHED (unknown [192.168.5.30]) by cs1.sandiegort.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF284AC32 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 13:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ed Lucero" To: References: <003101c79262$532b5eb0$f9821c10$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 13:41:02 -0700 Message-ID: <006301c7927a$5c220fb0$14662f10$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AceScc9JyXeEd5EnQnO8UGQoh/G1QQACEHeA Content-Language: en-us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 20:41:07 -0000 OK. I'm willing to learn. What do you use to glue the dspam and your anti-virus together from postfix. I'm using amavisd. Ed From: Jeremy Tregunna [mailto:jtregunna@blurgle.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:13 PM To: Ed Lucero Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email server recommendation I would actually strongly recommend against spamassassin -- it is heavy on the resource usage, which is fine for a small mail server but once you start handling millions of messages a day, DSPAM really shines big time over that of SA. -- Jeremy Tregunna jtregunna@blurgle.ca On 9-May-07, at 1:49 PM, Ed Lucero wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Richard McNeilly Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 6:56 AM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Email server recommendation I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more familiar with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD is the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an email server. What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a software package available to easily administer email accounts or does it all have to be done with custom scripts. I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. Regards, Richard _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" FreeBSD Postfix front end, with sqlgrey, and policyd, mysql. Content scanning server is in the middle, using postfix , amavisd, clamav, spamassassin, mysql. Dovecot mail repository server. Postfix, dovecot, mysql. Outbound server. Postfix. Ed _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" !DSPAM:46420c54687431478217226! From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 10 06:28:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA62E16A403 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 06:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unkn0wn@megabit.ru) Received: from region73.ru (amnesiac.megabit.ru [193.125.183.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB1313C44B for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 06:28:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unkn0wn@megabit.ru) Received: from [212.176.111.15] (account unkn0wn HELO castle.megabit.ru) by region73.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.2) with ESMTPA id 301078234 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:28:32 +0400 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:28:33 +0400 From: unkn0wn To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070510102833.6f5c52e4@castle.megabit.ru> In-Reply-To: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> References: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.7.2 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 06:28:41 -0000 I'm use exim&courier mail. Exim allow native CRAM, PLAIN authentication, work with MySQL&Postgres, have simple config. Postfix haven't native authenticators, only via external application. Courier also have simple config and many interesting features. P.S. If you have big mail server (~million messages per day), you may try nginx as SMTP frontend. > I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more > familiar with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out > that FreeBSD is the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. > Especially as an email server. > > What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email > server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there > a software package available to easily administer email accounts or > does it all have to be done with custom scripts. > > I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. > > Regards, > Richard > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 10 13:30:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46B716A404 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:30:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: from pearl.ibctech.ca (pearl.ibctech.ca [208.70.104.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6941113C458 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:30:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 31701 invoked by uid 1002); 10 May 2007 13:03:23 -0000 Received: from iaccounts@ibctech.ca by pearl.ibctech.ca by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(208.70.107.100):. Processed in 15.794599 secs); 10 May 2007 13:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.210?) (steve@ibctech.ca@208.70.107.100) by pearl.ibctech.ca with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 10 May 2007 13:03:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4643180F.1000805@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:03:11 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard McNeilly References: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> In-Reply-To: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:30:05 -0000 Richard McNeilly wrote: > I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more familiar > with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD is > the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an email > server. > > What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email > server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a > software package available to easily administer email accounts or does > it all have to be done with custom scripts. > > I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. We use a few of these: http://mail-toaster.org/ ...with two clustered Barracuda 400's in front of them. We have all filtering turned off on the mail servers themselves. However, if you are just starting out, you could use the filtering on the servers, and then upgrade to a different solution as revenue increases. With a couple days worth of code writing, we have a single interface that allows us to do pretty much anything. Support: - one click user password retrieving/changing - RADIUS user management - managing any/all domains and/or user(s) - one click to enter any user webmail (to delete large messages for those on dial-up) Administration: - adding domains/users - one click user management/domain management - client level domain management access (web) We have ~10,000 email accounts, and we process very close to 1 million emails per day. We started out using Unix accounts and mailboxes, but that quickly got too cumbersome to manage across an ever increasing number of domains and aliases. With this setup, the front line support staff can pretty much do anything regarding our users/domains safely, that I would have to do myself before. OT, I would also recommend djbdns with VegaDNS frontend. This combination is extremely easy to get up and running, especially after done once. It is an exceptionally fast server, and with the web front-end, makes it a cake-walk to manage domains. This too has client level domain DNS management (per-domain, group or user delegation). Regards, Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 10 16:31:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2FF16A402 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:31:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jtregunna@blurgle.ca) Received: from picard.blurgle.ca (picard.blurgle.ca [64.187.9.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E76713C448 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:31:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jtregunna@blurgle.ca) Received: from [192.168.7.2] (office.highspeedfx.net [64.187.18.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by picard.blurgle.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4AGQnw1097971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 10 May 2007 12:26:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jtregunna@blurgle.ca) In-Reply-To: <006301c7927a$5c220fb0$14662f10$@com> References: <003101c79262$532b5eb0$f9821c10$@com> <006301c7927a$5c220fb0$14662f10$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Jeremy Tregunna Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:29:52 -0400 To: Ed Lucero X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:31:26 -0000 I don't actually use postfix, I use sendmail; I have a milter for virus scanning, and dspam set up as a local mailer. -- Jeremy Tregunna jtregunna@blurgle.ca On 9-May-07, at 4:41 PM, Ed Lucero wrote: > OK. I'm willing to learn. What do you use to glue the dspam and your > anti-virus together from postfix. I'm using amavisd. > > > > Ed > > > > From: Jeremy Tregunna [mailto:jtregunna@blurgle.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:13 PM > To: Ed Lucero > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Email server recommendation > > > > > > I would actually strongly recommend against spamassassin -- it is > heavy on > the resource usage, which is fine for a small mail server but once > you start > handling millions of messages a day, DSPAM really shines big time > over that > of SA. > > > > -- > > Jeremy Tregunna > > jtregunna@blurgle.ca > > > > > > > > > > On 9-May-07, at 1:49 PM, Ed Lucero wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > > isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Richard McNeilly > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 6:56 AM > > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > > Subject: Email server recommendation > > > > I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more > familiar > > with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD > > is > > the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an > email > > server. > > > > What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email > > server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a > > software package available to easily administer email accounts or does > > it all have to be done with custom scripts. > > > > I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. > > > > Regards, > > Richard > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > FreeBSD > > > > Postfix front end, with sqlgrey, and policyd, mysql. > > > > Content scanning server is in the middle, using postfix , amavisd, > clamav, > > spamassassin, mysql. > > > > Dovecot mail repository server. Postfix, dovecot, mysql. > > > > Outbound server. Postfix. > > > > Ed > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > !DSPAM:464230e0718645368818224! > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 11 11:09:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E7D16A400 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4254313C447 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:09:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 4.67 #0 (FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE)) id 1HmSNZ-0005hF-No by authid for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:29:41 +0300 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:29:41 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070511102941.GC91961@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4641D2EB.5070909@grenadianone.com> X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message, where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: Email server recommendation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:09:12 -0000 * On 09/05/07 09:55 -0400, Richard McNeilly wrote: | I am trying to plan a ISP deployment using FreeBSD. I am more familiar | with Linux but during my research, it's been pointed out that FreeBSD is | the more stable and reliable choice for an ISP. Especially as an email | server. | | What is the best way to manage the addition of new users to the email | server? local users or is there a database solution. Also is there a | software package available to easily administer email accounts or does | it all have to be done with custom scripts. | | I would welcome any suggestions of anecdotes of experience. Linux or FreeBSD, I am putting in a good word for @Mail - if you want commercial software. It relies on Exim+Courier-imap+SpamAssassin+Clamav.. (www.calacode.com) Linux only - Try the Open Source version or even the commercial version of Zimbra (www.zimbra.com). Zimbra is not my first priority though. For pure open source (uses Exim, courier, SA, DSPAM, MySQL) try http://silverwraith.com/vexim). I have run this for years with over 2000 domains, each with average 10 users! -Wash http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html DISCLAIMER: See http://www.wananchi.com/bms/terms.php -- +======================================================================+ |\ _,,,---,,_ | Odhiambo Washington Zzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ | Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'| Tel: +254 20 313985-9 +254 20 313922 '---''(_/--' `-'\_) | GSM: +254 722 743223 +254 733 744121 +======================================================================+ We're only in it for the volume. -- Black Sabbath From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 11 11:24:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E160C16A400 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200A713C465 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 4.67 #0 (FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE)) id 1HmSRH-000AVG-RG by authid for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:33:31 +0300 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:33:31 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070511103331.GD91961@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message, where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Please Help - Installing Firebird2 on FreeBSD 6.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:24:37 -0000 If I don't get help here, then it is nowhere ;) I am stuck trying to install databases/firebird2-server on FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE. It simply does not do with "make install" or even my favorite "portinstall". I have googled for two days and the closest I came was this: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-November/036801.html However, I still cannot get going as it still fails like this: gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/wash/ports/firebird/usr/ports/databases/firebird2-client/work/Firebird-2.0.1.12855-0/gen' gmake -f ../gen/Makefile.refDatabases empty_db gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/home/wash/ports/firebird/usr/ports/databases/firebird2-client/work/Firebird-2.0.1.12855-0/gen' gmake -f ../gen/Makefile.embed.util ../gen/firebird/bin/create_db gmake[4]: Entering directory `/usr/home/wash/ports/firebird/usr/ports/databases/firebird2-client/work/Firebird-2.0.1.12855-0/gen' gmake[4]: `../gen/firebird/bin/create_db' is up to date. gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/wash/ports/firebird/usr/ports/databases/firebird2-client/work/Firebird-2.0.1.12855-0/gen' rm -f empty.fdb ../gen/firebird/bin/create_db empty.fdb Fatal lock manager error: can't start lock manager: /var/db/firebird/bin/fb_lock_mgr, errno: 2 --No such file or directory lock manager error -can't start lock manager: /var/db/firebird/bin/fb_lock_mgr gmake[3]: *** [empty.fdb] Error 254 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/wash/ports/firebird/usr/ports/databases/firebird2-client/work/Firebird-2.0.1.12855-0/gen' gmake[2]: *** [empty_db] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/wash/ports/firebird/usr/ports/databases/firebird2-client/work/Firebird-2.0.1.12855-0/gen' gmake[1]: *** [../gen/firebird/security2.fdb] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/wash/ports/firebird/usr/ports/databases/firebird2-client/work/Firebird-2.0.1.12855-0/gen' gmake: *** [firebird_basic] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/databases/firebird2-client. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/databases/firebird2-server. Has anyone managed to install this beast in FreeBSD? What could I be missing? -Wash http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html DISCLAIMER: See http://www.wananchi.com/bms/terms.php -- +======================================================================+ |\ _,,,---,,_ | Odhiambo Washington Zzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ | Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'| Tel: +254 20 313985-9 +254 20 313922 '---''(_/--' `-'\_) | GSM: +254 722 743223 +254 733 744121 +======================================================================+ Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. -- Oscar Wilde From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 11 12:11:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4970816A404 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from todor.dragnev@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEB613C45A for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from todor.dragnev@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f31so742147pyh for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:11:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=OQVDLGNZojBnTBHq5bsuilXBBDn+CiMcKffAfkZXHeYsf7zLSlXHfGUjVzql+9FkBvy2nPE6fXxeRUeWengNr6b/0/jat3QrpIWGmTY+fUnOATDaW3NMzRtmHAFNiSoWKWu5+bIVVj6KoWjtMu6xtLiJgaRDjr32o+O7FBoZAnE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=d2J/rqW8UIXe4V37dya8QEbxYVMal7M5gcXF0vDnww6/rm1tiwN7/A6EJObHCI8oNFNp5tX5vRSCaMAa3vNbdfgFPYefBZ6rboIE9bDzwyqjW0p3s6NBlEUeLtCLv/Obe17Y5Io6y3YtCFlfwnWWH/eo12Z7JCFbVzFXAQLZTfE= Received: by 10.35.8.1 with SMTP id l1mr4841813pyi.1178883757090; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.71.18 with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:42:37 +0300 From: "Todor Dragnev" To: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Large scale NAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:11:46 -0000 Hello list, I have about 4000 users behind NAT. I use ipnat(ipf) on single freebsd box( v6.2) to translate RFC1918 ip addresses to real one. In ipnat.conf I have: --- map vlan0 10.X.0.0/16 -> a.b.c.X/32 proxy port ftp ftp/tcp map vlan0 10.X.0.0/16 -> a.b.c.X/32 portmap tcp/udp auto map vlan0 10.X.0.0/16 -> a.b.c.X/32 --- Where X is in range from 0 to 40. $ "ipnat -s" mapped in 1192241264 out 1082773308 added 58509192 expired 0 no memory 65394 bad nat 9642 inuse 212292 rules 1160 wilds 2 $ netstat -w 1 input (Total) output packets errs bytes packets errs bytes colls 75681 0 47043801 73193 0 38853537 0 74908 0 46345012 72391 0 37946719 0 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz (1864.81-MHz 686-class CPU) network cards em0: sk0: <3Com Gigabit NIC (3C2000) rev. (0x1) - Marvell Semiconductor, Inc. Yukon> All works fine, but my CPU usage is very high and router starts to drop packets and sometimes freeze. I fix freezes problem with POLLING but CPU usage is still very high. Throughput on one interface is about 200Mbit/s, but next month I will need more speed to pass through this box and I looking for better solution What is the throughput limit what I can expect from FreeBSD in this situation? Are someone in the list have experience with large NAT tables? It is time to switch to Cisco or something similar - any suggestions ? Thanks, Todor Dragnev -- There are no answers, only cross references From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 11 12:54:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAD116A402 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:54:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from strange.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE0B13C483 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: by strange.locolomo.org (Postfix, from userid 1024) id F15822E04D; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:37:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by strange.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E583E2E048; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:37:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:37:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Erik Norgaard To: Todor Dragnev In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070511143235.Y6855@strange.locolomo.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Large scale NAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:54:18 -0000 On Fri, 11 May 2007, Todor Dragnev wrote: > Hello list, > > I have about 4000 users behind NAT. I use ipnat(ipf) on single freebsd box( > v6.2) to translate RFC1918 ip addresses to real one. > > All works fine, but my CPU usage is very high and router starts to drop > packets and sometimes freeze. > I fix freezes problem with POLLING but CPU usage is still very high. > > Throughput on one interface is about 200Mbit/s, but next month I will need > more speed to pass through this box and I looking for better solution > > What is the throughput limit what I can expect from FreeBSD in this > situation? > > Are someone in the list have experience with large NAT tables? > It is time to switch to Cisco or something similar - any suggestions ? There is a comparison of ip-filter and packet filter here http://www.benzedrine.cx/pf-paper.html Rather old now, but as I understand, pf does a better job when tables grow large when filtering is stateful. 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