From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:01:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7033016A420 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D7013C468 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5578213A79F for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-141-157-246-57.ny325.east.verizon.net [141.157.246.57]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49F716996 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:01:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:01:36 +0000 From: Bob Richards To: Message-ID: <20071125000136.415caa11@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: References: <4741BD57.9070800@networktest.com> Organization: blythe Systems X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) X-Face: +\{75whsIB]=i--WqkV^U>!y`<~%(FUd, DQs, &e1yLt==9%It?7#?n>%Splqb, lDIEu%WsB7o+6k2n`6Q5Fl, vJei{$-.KlHPHu/.~VuE=C[}lQmL}>V1t\yTn2iTwCfM`% Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/gZqe0096p=SGMjPsqooRoos"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: dealing with a failing drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:01:55 -0000 --Sig_/gZqe0096p=SGMjPsqooRoos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Compaq uses several RAID cards most are under the so-called > "SmartArray" using the ida driver. If this is yours, you can > use a utility called "idacontrol" that can monitor the array, Interesting discussion! I have a similar issue, only it is with a Dell server which has 6 SCSI drives in a hardware raid array. The controller is a Dell PERC 2/Si. Is there an equivalent monitor utility for this as well? I am currently running: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p20 #2. TIA Bob --Sig_/gZqe0096p=SGMjPsqooRoos Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHSLtgCiULygfUvEMRAsXNAKCoMyyFYBe+5XLNBMPmri768LArwgCfWDFU y8yYjHynHzW7XIIhc6BzpJI= =Bzxq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/gZqe0096p=SGMjPsqooRoos-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:05:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CE016A494 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) Received: from smtpout-2.iphouse.net (smtpout-2.iphouse.net [216.250.188.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFB513C46B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:05:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) Received: from smtpout-2.iphouse.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound-clamsmtpd.iphouse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4142AC4BC for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:50:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from ziemel.erje.net (erje.net [80.126.62.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpout-2.iphouse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5AE2AC481 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:50:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from ismet.erje.net (ismet.erje.net [IPv6:2001:888:1f33::8e45:7e]) by ziemel.erje.net (PostFix 2.4.5) with ESMTP id 9DE581287B4 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:49:23 +0100 (CET) Received: (from robert@localhost) by ismet.erje.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lAONnN1m014370 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:49:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) X-Authentication-Warning: ismet.erje.net: robert set sender to robert@ml.erje.net using -f Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:49:22 +0100 From: Robert Joosten To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071124234922.GS1918@iphouse.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-ziemel.erje.net-MailScanner: Ok, found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Help with a new port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:05:34 -0000 Hi, > I have a new port which I feel should be included in the FreeBSD > accessibility category, if only because I noticed its absence in > searching for it. Have you read http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.html yet ? I don't use ports myself and never ported anything but I've read that guide a long time ago and to me it seemed quite easy to do. Happy porting. Regards, Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 01:06:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464B416A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:06:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD85113C44B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Iw5v4-0004fs-H9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:04:22 +0000 Received: from 193.sub-70-193-2.myvzw.com ([70.193.2.193]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:04:22 +0000 Received: from Z_kline by 193.sub-70-193-2.myvzw.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:04:22 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Zachary Kline" Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:01:36 -0800 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <20071124234922.GS1918@iphouse.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.sub-70-193-2.myvzw.com X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071124-0, 11/24/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: news Subject: Re: Help with a new port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:06:10 -0000 "Robert Joosten" wrote in message news:20071124234922.GS1918@iphouse.com... > Hi, > >> I have a new port which I feel should be included in the FreeBSD >> accessibility category, if only because I noticed its absence in >> searching for it. > > Have you read > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.html > yet ? > I must confess I haven't. I'll look into it and see what comes up. Currently trying to figure out how to get ports upgraded in a sane fashion as well, as I've noticed some of the packages are quite behind in comparison to the ports they're based on. Thanks, Zack. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 01:18:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E0816A419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1196384513.9a9c53@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (3s1.com [209.161.205.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC96313C442 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:18:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1196384513.9a9c53@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 3s1.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAP11sFe096303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:01:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from david+dated+1196384513.9a9c53@skytracker.ca) Received: (from david@localhost) by 3s1.com (8.13.8/8.14.1/Submit) id lAP11sSV096302 for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:01:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from david+dated+1196384513.9a9c53@skytracker.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: 3s1.com: david set sender to david+dated+1196384513.9a9c53@skytracker.ca using -f Received: by 3s1.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:01:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:01:53 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071125010152.GA94883@skytracker.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.11 (Ladyburn) From: David Banning X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on 3s1.com Cc: Subject: what is needed for realplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:18:44 -0000 I have been using realplayer for years and it has worked fine. All of a sudden I get a Segmentation fault: 11 error and core dump. I did a portupgrade on both realplayer and linux_base with no improvement. Presently using 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD. I wondered about even just a simple test to see if linux_base is working. Any pointers would be helpful - From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 02:04:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1FC16A421 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:04:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout3.cac.washington.edu (mxout3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A57113C448 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:04:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout3.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lAP24BEx003654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:04:11 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [128.208.5.249] (lodovico.cs.washington.edu [128.208.5.249]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lAP24BJP022418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:04:11 -0800 Message-ID: <4748D803.1040807@u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:03:47 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Horne References: <200711241707.05859.freebsd@dfwlp.com> In-Reply-To: <200711241707.05859.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.11.24.173950 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='BODY_SIZE_800_899 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with self-built packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:04:25 -0000 Jonathan Horne wrote: > for a while now, ive been experimenting with building a package of everything > i build from ports, or via portupgrade, and then using said packages to > quickly update other systems on my network. never had any problems, until > recently. lately, it seems like a port here or there will be missing a > critical piece from the bzip file thats created in ports/packages/All. > > i have seen this in the past few revisions of apache2.2(the rc script and data > directory missing), and today, xorg-server did the same thing (this time, the > file 'startx' was left out). > > does anyone else keep the packages they build, and if so, are you also seeing > issues like this? > I haven't tried, but based on what you're saying it sounds like the plist is incorrect or something.. pkg_create(1) / port Makefile related bug? -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 02:18:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D4616A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:18:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hg@queue.to) Received: from pickle.queue.to (pickle.queue.to [71.180.69.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0511D13C45B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hg@queue.to) Received: (qmail 4787 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 21:17:58 -0500 Received: from cally.queue.to (172.16.0.6) by pickle.queue.to with ESMTP; 24 Nov 2007 21:17:58 -0500 Message-ID: <4748DB56.3010206@queue.to> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:17:58 -0500 From: Howard Goldstein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: scoll lock - can't unlock in text login after xorg session X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:18:05 -0000 Just noticed this, after scroll locking for page up/page down in a text login: I cannot unlock anymore. Does anyone else see this? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 02:38:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5370616A419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:38:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caioabecia@yahoo.com.br) Received: from smtp110.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp110.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E051413C469 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:38:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caioabecia@yahoo.com.br) Received: (qmail 13428 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 02:11:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.br; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=ZVkrcEYPitbI+Y7TyE87Ox/8s1NUtxkro9RbOn2En6rSlTA4f6eN50oBv5nLsmPeiU8XUhvE9/fiNhm/5TlMWn+MKOMCSvuELkUQuTVHRFqF/UJaaUCq3su5Sgd2SvriknDhkx1YWqwJZJC8iuHI5cvX/MxZ2ABxukCBxrpdvwU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO pcaio) (caioabecia@189.18.74.75 with login) by smtp110.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 02:11:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aqY4hdcVM1nk0gXSaC3DGJDSB7dD0hzNzA81V0SRuATmc82syaBS0PcSRYpGZj6gd22Y6pqqaQ-- Message-ID: <0dd601c82f08$7cdcd430$010210ac@pcaio> From: "Caio Figueiredo Abecia" To: References: <20071124074812.EE36.GERARD@seibercom.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:11:25 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071124-0, 24/11/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Partition to be shared over OSes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:38:18 -0000 Hi I have some operation systems installed on a hd in some partitions. I'd like to know if could I have a partition FAT32 in my hd and let my linux/bsd/windows read/write any file there. To that purpose (share a partition to windows/linux/bsd) what's the best solution? My partition to be NTFS and install on each SO (-win) ntfs-3g ? Thank you in advance Caio F. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 02:58:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3211616A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:58:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merithium@internode.on.net) Received: from mail.internode.on.net (bld-mail10.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA0613C45D for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:58:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merithium@internode.on.net) Received: from mango (unverified [121.45.20.199]) by mail.internode.on.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 2590818-1927428 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:28:05 +1030 (CDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Milosh Djuric" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <474850AF.9070001@foster.cc> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:28:04 +1030 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <474850AF.9070001@foster.cc> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.02 (Win32) Subject: Re: VMware FreeBSD to Physical X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:58:10 -0000 Hi, The rsync method sounds interesting. Could you give me a quick summary of what I'd need to do? Thanks. On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:56:23 +1030, Mark D. Foster wrote: > Milosh Djuric wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've got a VMWare guest running FreeBSD 6.2 which I'd like to move to >> a physical machine. I've tried ghosting it, but when it gets to the >> "Default: F5 Disk0" screen (sorry, I don't know the appropriate name >> for it), it refuses to go any further. >> >> Can anything be done to fix this? Or is there a better way of doing >> the whole procedure? > See > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-trouble.html#Q2.11.3.3. > > Were I in your shoes I would make sure to run (revert to?) a GENERIC > kernel in the VM then use g4u to image the entire drive(s). But this > will only work if the destination drive is larger than the source. > There are many things that can go wrong in this sort of procedure and > you should plan to be cunning and persistent or fail in your attempts. > It may be that you are using the wrong approach also, because rsync can > be a wonderful alternative for these types of scenarios as can knoppix + > dd + netcat. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 03:09:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947D116A419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDC013C469 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup242.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.242]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lAP39HEI001112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:09:30 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAP39Bfq004633; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:09:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lAP395fu004632; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:09:05 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:09:05 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Zachary Kline Message-ID: <20071125030905.GB4493@kobe.laptop> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.135, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.26, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help with a new port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:09:52 -0000 On 2007-11-24 15:24, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi, > My name is Zachary Kline, Hi Zachary, > Anyway, to get to the point: I'm not quite sure where to ask this. I > have a new port which I feel should be included in the FreeBSD > accessibility category, [...] > This port is Emacspeak, from http://emacspeak.sf.net. It's a screen > reader--though that term isn't really encouraged by the developer--for > the Emacs work environment. I can help with the integration of the new port. I will have a look at the site of the program, but it would be nice if you sent me any porting details/work you have already. Happy FreeBSD'ing :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 03:27:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DFD16A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A6C013C44B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 93239 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 03:00:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=2bBjQlT3cRhDOyA2Qn4yxLRGHDqQ6GkgC1rRUDvY9c/ShrFAxLEURw0qAkwcaxmHMHtFQmBzz/MQrUgmn2HN32iMx6x55loEf4X8xIPAwV80yRvCnmQdlYmXUCObQsdxsm/NKe/1a8BZgtbkv2xut0jZ1LphCowK2mX6dbhOFCk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO napoleon.local) (mike.jeays@rogers.com@99.224.73.40 with login) by smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 03:00:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gXqNX0YVM1lAJZSEsR_l3zXL2EJ17uCycYGpxIOzhft__7c564Ph4jeWVcJJesR1mA-- From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:01:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20071124074812.EE36.GERARD@seibercom.net> <0dd601c82f08$7cdcd430$010210ac@pcaio> In-Reply-To: <0dd601c82f08$7cdcd430$010210ac@pcaio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711242201.25560.mike.jeays@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Partition to be shared over OSes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:27:26 -0000 On November 24, 2007 09:11:25 pm Caio Figueiredo Abecia wrote: > Hi > I have some operation systems installed on a hd in some partitions. > I'd like to know if could I have a partition FAT32 in my hd and let my > linux/bsd/windows read/write any file there. > > To that purpose (share a partition to windows/linux/bsd) what's the best > solution? > > My partition to be NTFS and install on each SO (-win) ntfs-3g ? > > Thank you in advance > > Caio F. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Yes, you can read and write FAT filesystems from Linux and BSD systems. Reading from an NTFS system is generally supported, but writing is still experimental, and I wouldn't recommend it for a production system. -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 03:37:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25D416A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@foster.cc) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907E913C457 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@foster.cc) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GqWs1Y0040mlR8U0A03v00; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:37:09 +0000 Received: from fosgate.dyndns.org ([24.17.77.253]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Grd71Y00D5TuUQw0800000; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:37:09 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=81ABGVOTAAAA:8 a=jqC0wcmqvYcc7WD9SD4A:9 a=PwIBq29ey3PoygNp51eCxH9a65gA:4 a=0dRpvnS4h04A:10 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fosgate.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7351A3982B; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:33:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foster.cc Received: from fosgate.dyndns.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sonar.foster.dmz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XC+-qaAQ4Gfh; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (monk.foster.dmz [192.168.1.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by fosgate.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0270739828; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:33:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4748EDDB.8090105@foster.cc> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:36:59 -0800 From: "Mark D. Foster" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Milosh Djuric References: <474850AF.9070001@foster.cc> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VMware FreeBSD to Physical X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:37:05 -0000 Milosh Djuric wrote: > Hi, > > The rsync method sounds interesting. Could you give me a quick summary > of what I'd need to do? > Please don't top post. You can see what I mean about using rsync in this way at http://mark.foster.cc/wiki/index.php/Xen_Clone -- Said one park ranger, 'There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.' Mark D. Foster, CISSP http://mark.foster.cc/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 03:58:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653DC16A41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E216613C455 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 29758 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 03:31:47 -0000 Received: from bb121-7-107-117.singnet.com.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@121.7.107.117) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 25 Nov 2007 03:31:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4748EC9F.7000808@pacific.net.sg> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:31:43 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Caio Figueiredo Abecia References: <20071124074812.EE36.GERARD@seibercom.net> <0dd601c82f08$7cdcd430$010210ac@pcaio> In-Reply-To: <0dd601c82f08$7cdcd430$010210ac@pcaio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partition to be shared over OSes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:58:32 -0000 Hi, Caio Figueiredo Abecia wrote: > Hi > I have some operation systems installed on a hd in some partitions. > I'd like to know if could I have a partition FAT32 in my hd and let my > linux/bsd/windows read/write any file there. > > To that purpose (share a partition to windows/linux/bsd) what's the best > solution? > > My partition to be NTFS and install on each SO (-win) ntfs-3g ? I get sometimes problems in mounting them after I wrote some GB in one session to them. FAT32 is something much more safer when it comes just to data exchange. I would not keep any kind of data on this partition then. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 05:10:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6972316A41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D99813C469 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816FB508B8 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:10:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HvikU8epPy3k for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:10:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1D7AC508B0; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:10:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20071125051002.1D7AC508B0@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:10:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2007-11-04 - 2007-11-24 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:10:05 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 05:38:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5365B16A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD2913C447 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAP5cJtu075135; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:38:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Murray Taylor" , "Tony" , Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:39:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F142DE39@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: RE: Squid with a Net nanny type setup.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:38:31 -0000 Or much better yet, do it the way I do it. Load Squid, setup the kids system to use it, then setup squid to only allow the kids to go to a list of sites. As my kids learn about interesting sites they want to go to, -I- visit those sites, and if I decide they are OK, I put them in the approved list. Stuff like dansguardian is, in my opinion, for lazy parents who want to hand off their parental responsibilities to other people. The other thing is that by the time the kid is 14-15 they should be mature enough to make their own choices and deal with what they find. At that time, if your still having to run filtering software, you better turn off Internet access completely and schedule your kid in with some sessions with a psychologist, as seriously, he's got a problem. Ted > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Murray Taylor > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 4:59 PM > To: Tony; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Squid with a Net nanny type setup.... > > > look at dansguardian its in the ports and is excellent for > kid-management > > mjt > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Tony > > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2007 4:34 AM > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Squid with a Net nanny type setup.... > > > > Is there a big list if inappropriate websites somewhere that > > I can build > > into squid to keep my kids out of Adult websites? > > > > If not squid is there a better Proxy to use on my FreeBSD firewall for > > that purpose? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tony > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive > use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential > and/or privileged material. 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No warranties are > given and no liability is accepted for any loss or damage > caused by such matters. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > ### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses by Bytecraft ### > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 05:42:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285BC16A41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D6713C448 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAP5gF5f075162; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:42:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "James Shaw" , "Warren Block" Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:43:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <49c554520711200812l629ce15bje66b925d0a6418b1@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: 3Com 3c515-TX Fast Ethernet ISA Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:42:17 -0000 I have about a dozen 3c509 cards. If you must have ISA cards due to supporting ISA-only hardware, e-mail me off list and I'll box them and ship them all to you. Otherwise, if your hardware has PCI slots then you need to let go of this old hardware. Excellent PCI cards can be had from the used market for a couple bucks. I just picked up a SMC using a real Digital chipset today for $2 from a scrap dealer for a system I'm working on. Just open your eyes and look around. Granted the 3c509 is 10baseT ISA not 100BaseT ISA. But the ISA bus does not have the bandwidth to seriously push even close to what a 10BaseT ethernet can handle, let alone 100BaseT. Ted > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of James Shaw > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:13 AM > To: Warren Block > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: 3Com 3c515-TX Fast Ethernet ISA Card > > > Of course, but I have 6 of these cards and would like to utilize them > in FreeBSD. They seem to run great with OpenBSD and Linux, but my > preference is FreeBSD. > > On Nov 19, 2007 2:59 PM, Warren Block wrote: > > > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, James Shaw wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to get an old 3Com 3c515-TX Fast Ethernet ISA Card to > > > work with FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3. So far, the only operating systems I can > > > use this card on are OpenBSD, NetBSD, Linux, and (ugh) Windows. > > > Is there a way to port the OpenBSD (or NetBSD) driver to FreeBSD so > > > we can utilize this card instead of switching OS's? > > > > If that's the card I'm thinking of, I fought with one several years ago > > on a late-model PS/2 (ISA). Can another ISA card be used instead? > > > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 06:02:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2B616A41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EAA13C458 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAP62L68075313; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Andrey Slusar" , "Tek Bahadur Limbu" Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:03:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <864pfbu2fe.fsf@santinel.home.ua> Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:02:24 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Andrey Slusar > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:46 AM > To: Tek Bahadur Limbu > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform > > > Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:49:19 +0545, Tek Bahadur Limbu wrote: > > > I know that this question has been asked on this list in the past. So > > I am sorry for repeating it. > > > However, I would like to know the current answers and views on this > > question. > > > Basically, I want to know which software you might be using as a Site > > configuration and management application for web hosting services. > > > It will be used primarily to control about 500-1000 virtual domains. > > > I know that there are Cpanel and Plesk which are very good commercial > > softwares catering the needs for a good web based management tool. > > > So far, I have only tried out RAQdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/ > > For commercial hostings needs commercial panels. Not really true. It depends on what your charging. If your charging the equivalent of $4.99 a month USD for a light duty site then your customers are cheapskates who are going to be satisfied with whatever you give then, commercial or not. The commercial control panels are appropriate for hosts that are charging some real money for the service. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 08:46:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D660916A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B2A13C43E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAP8jkWH025861; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:45:47 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Message-ID: <4749363A.9050102@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:45:46 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071122) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Richards References: <4741BD57.9070800@networktest.com> <20071125000136.415caa11@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <20071125000136.415caa11@tania.servebbs.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:45:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4908/Sun Nov 25 06:57:50 2007 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dealing with a failing drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:46:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Bob Richards wrote: > I have a similar issue, only it is with a Dell server which has 6 SCSI > drives in a hardware raid array. The controller is a Dell PERC 2/Si. > > Is there an equivalent monitor utility for this as well? I am currently > running: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p20 #2. If that's a rebadged LSI MegaRAID card and uses the amr driver under FreeBSD, then there are two packages that may be of interest: sysutils/amrstat amrstat-20070216 Utility for LSI Logic's MegaRAID RAID controllers sysutils/megarc megarc-1.51 LSI Logic's MegaRAID controlling software On the other hand, if it's a rebadged Adaptec RAID controller using the aac driver under FreeBSD then you want: sysutils/aaccli aaccli-1.0 Adaptec SCSI RAID administration tool Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSTY68Mjk52CukIwRCPEqAJ9Pc4YyFagh7y9jmA2SPOUv7+2bJgCfd21K IGMSIdhSznOl9WTms5Oc0NI= =JgO2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 08:52:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1F016A41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from teklimbu@wlink.com.np) Received: from smtp5.wlink.com.np (smtp5.wlink.com.np [202.79.32.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3399013C448 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from teklimbu@wlink.com.np) Received: (qmail 15666 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 08:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.wlink.com.np) (202.79.32.76) by 0 with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 08:52:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 47939 invoked by uid 98); 25 Nov 2007 08:52:02 -0000 Received: from 202.79.36.7 by smtp1.wlink.com.np (envelope-from , uid 1009) with qmail-scanner-1.25 (clamdscan: 0.88.4/2205. 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Processed in 0.044071 secs) Received: from [202.79.36.7] (HELO [202.79.36.7]) by smtp1.wlink.com.np (qmail-smtpd) with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 08:51:55 -0000 (Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:36:55 +0545) Message-ID: <47493799.5020201@wlink.com.np> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:36:37 +0545 From: Tek Bahadur Limbu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Check-By: smtp1.wlink.com.np Spam: No ; 0.2 / 8.0 X-Spam-Status-WL: No, hits=0.2 required=8.0 Cc: Andrey Slusar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:52:09 -0000 Hi Andrey and Ted, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Andrey Slusar >> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:46 AM >> To: Tek Bahadur Limbu >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform >> >> >> Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:49:19 +0545, Tek Bahadur Limbu wrote: >> >>> I know that this question has been asked on this list in the past. So >>> I am sorry for repeating it. >>> However, I would like to know the current answers and views on this >>> question. >>> Basically, I want to know which software you might be using as a Site >>> configuration and management application for web hosting services. >>> It will be used primarily to control about 500-1000 virtual domains. >>> I know that there are Cpanel and Plesk which are very good commercial >>> softwares catering the needs for a good web based management tool. >>> So far, I have only tried out RAQdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/ >> For commercial hostings needs commercial panels. > > Not really true. It depends on what your charging. If your charging > the equivalent of $4.99 a month USD for a light duty site then your > customers > are cheapskates who are going to be satisfied with whatever you give > then, commercial or not. > > The commercial control panels are appropriate for hosts that are > charging some real money for the service. I guess you are correct. The price will be equivalent to less than $9.99 a month. I think VHCS or ISPConfig will serve me good. From their sites, both are only available for Linux based systems. Anyway, I will setup VHCS in a Debian box. Once again, thanks alot for your input and suggestions. Thanking you... > > Ted > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > -- With best regards and good wishes, Yours sincerely, Tek Bahadur Limbu System Administrator (TAG/TDG Group) Jwl Systems Department Worldlink Communications Pvt. Ltd. Jawalakhel, Nepal http://www.wlink.com.np http://teklimbu.wordpress.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 08:55:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FCD16A420 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:55:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [66.92.130.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9513313C457 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAP8tGmO008665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:55:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <47493871.9050006@tundraware.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:55:13 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk Organization: TundraWare Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-tundraware.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-tundraware.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-tundraware.com-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Dreaded '__mb_sb_limit' Error And What To Do About It X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tundra@tundraware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:55:21 -0000 On one of my FBSD 6-STABLE machines, I have the system cvsup the latest sources nightly and rebuild (but not install) the system and all relevant kernels. Every week or so, I go to single user and install what was last built (assuming the build worked OK). My last such venture was on 11-20-2007 without problems. Tonight, I tried to do this again, and immediately got hit with the libexec '_mb_sb_limit' symbol missing problem. I fell back to the 11-20-2007 system image, and all is once again well. So, here's my question. Is this a temporary problem that will be resolved at some point before 6.3 is released, or do I have have to rebuild the entire system applications set to get new binaries that don't depend on this symbol? Also, if it is going to be fixed, how will I know it has been before trying another update like this again? TIA, P.S. Rebuilding the apps on this system would be a REAL pain. Here's hoping the fine FBSD developers can find it within themselves to make this symbol once again appear so old binaries will run unchanged. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 08:59:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C754A16A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:59:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762E213C457 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:59:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAP8xQE6076103; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:59:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Roger Olofsson" , "Jerahmy Pocott" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:00:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <4748A115.1010002@passagen.se> Importance: Normal Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:59:28 -0000 The other thing you can do is simply switch back to natd. You didn't say why you decided to switch in the first place. A lot of times people switch because they are having problems with natd. Are you? If not, you should be aware that natd does support more kinds of protocol translations. Ted > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Roger Olofsson > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:09 PM > To: Jerahmy Pocott > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT > > > Hello again Jerahmy, > > I would suggest that you verify what port(s) and protocol(s) 'Sonic Wall > Global VPN Client' needs to work. > > I would also suggest that you look in the logfile from ipf to see what > it's blocking and when. > > My guess is that the VPN client is using a protocol like IPSEC (IP > protocol 50) and possibly port 500 (IKE) for which you will have to > activate the ipnat proxy. > > map WAN internal_ip/24 -> 0.0.0.0/32 proxy port 500 ipsec/udp > > You might also try to disable the blocking of fragged packets. For some > VPN clients this can cause problems. > > Good luck! > > /Roger > > > > Jerahmy Pocott skrev: > > Sorry let me clarify.. > > > > There are two issues, one is connecting to any external VPN, with no > > filter I > > can establish a connection to PPTP VPN, but the 'Sonic Wall Global VPN > > Client' > > still fails to connect even with no filter rules. > > > > The redirect for the CVS server has an ipf rule to allow > traffic on that > > port, but > > users are getting connection refused messages. > > > > I will include my ipf rules, I clearly need some sort of rule to allow > > inbound for > > the VPN to work, though I think the ipnat is breaking the Sonic Wall > > client. Which > > is strange because everything worked fine with ipfw/natd. > > > > Here are my ipf rules: > > > > # Allow all in/out on internel interface > > pass in quick on fxp0 all > > pass out quick on fxp0 all > > > > # Allow all in/out on loopback interface > > pass in quick on lo0 all > > pass out quick on lo0 all > > > > # Allow all out-going on public interface and keep state > > pass out quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state > > pass out quick on fxp1 proto udp from any to any keep state > > pass out quick on fxp1 proto icmp from any to any keep state > > > > # Block all inbound traffic from non-routable or reserved address spaces > > block in quick on fxp1 from 192.168.0.0/16 to any #RFC 1918 > private IP > > block in quick on fxp1 from 172.16.0.0/12 to any #RFC 1918 > private IP > > block in quick on fxp1 from 10.0.0.0/8 to any #RFC 1918 > private IP > > block in quick on fxp1 from 127.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback > > block in quick on fxp1 from 0.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback > > block in quick on fxp1 from 169.254.0.0/16 to any #DHCP auto-config > > block in quick on fxp1 from 192.0.2.0/24 to any #reserved for docs > > block in quick on fxp1 from 204.152.64.0/23 to any #Sun cluster > > interconnect > > block in quick on fxp1 from 224.0.0.0/3 to any #Class D & > E multicast > > # Block frags > > block in quick on fxp1 all with frags > > # Block short tcp packets > > block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp all with short > > # block source routed packets > > block in quick on fxp1 all with opt lsrr > > block in quick on fxp1 all with opt ssrr > > # Block anything with special options > > block in quick on fxp1 all with ipopts > > # Block public pings > > block in quick on fxp1 proto icmp all icmp-type 8 > > # Block ident > > block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any port = 113 > > # Block all Netbios service. 137=name, 138=datagram, 139=session > > # Block MS/Windows hosts2 name server requests 81 > > block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 137 > > block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 138 > > block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 139 > > block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 81 > > > > # Allow CVS access > > pass in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 2401 > > > > # Logged Blocking Rules # > > > > # Block nmap OS fingerprint attempts > > block in log first quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags FUP > > > > # Block all other in coming traffic > > block in log first quick on fxp1 all > > > > Thanks for the help! > > J. > > > > On 25/11/2007, at 12:50 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: > > > >> Hello Jerahmy, > >> > >> Assuming you want to connect from the outside to your VPN. > >> > >> Have you made sure that port 2401 is open for inbound traffic in your > >> ipf.rules? > >> > >> You might also want to do 'ipnat -C -f '. Man > >> ipnat ;^) > >> > >> Greeting from Sweden > >> /Roger > >> > >> > >> > >> Jerahmy Pocott skrev: > >>> Hello, > >>> I recently decided to give ipf and ipnat a try, previously I had > >>> always been using > >>> ipfw and natd. Since switching over I can no longer establish a VPN > >>> tunnel from > >>> any system behind the gateway. > >>> I did 'ipf -F a' to flush all rules but I was still unable to connect > >>> so I think it's a problem > >>> with ipnat? Also my redirect from ipnat doesn't seem to work either. > >>> These are the only ipnat rules I have: > >>> (fxp1 is the external interface) > >>> # ipnat built in ftp proxy rules > >>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp > >>> map fxp1 0.0.0.0/0 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp > >>> # CVS Server on Fileserv > >>> rdr fxp1 0/32 port 2401 -> 10.0.0.2 port 2401 tcp/udp > >>> # nat all out going traffic on fxp1 from internal lan > >>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 > >>> I can post my firewall rules too if that would help, however with NO > >>> rules set it > >>> still didn't work so I don't think that would help.. (I'm using the > >>> klm which is default > >>> to accept?) > >>> Thanks! > >>> J. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 09:02:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AAB16A419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91E813C468 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:02:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so743788pyb for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:02:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7rHYokszBD1J0F8myQ7HZ9SLamfLDtCFlZ60QQLyc00=; b=KKPeO3OrAY2aStFCoZs3dCkk49BEM1mpHURURtqUoG1rkLDuGEl+cT3BF/QQlbhlBmjhJ5tUjW1nyShoz8oJvosNfXnNs7DarD1e8EEoZbacWlk+3hTwuOeHj4X/kxLS/yPgyaOWQMp1jhydNfsH8FUhNqBcwEcu8zQoeNar5KM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jRjMeVKeyGHBEg/lKMxlzynNKjmZx4RGLkRk0/ZC/PQPs6NpDtxO2HkBrNzCswRRTzZ59BjCWMKusBjOqEPF4/mVKRZjvlHY5oFIUymu+W3RYrEHjc81aSexM56WnfLk6RQcQq5GtDf+/9fthRr1AIBGdG4b3lAPqF1PRhU2rOA= Received: by 10.65.114.11 with SMTP id r11mr2841879qbm.1195981344005; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f18sm282749qba.2007.11.25.01.02.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:02:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47493A1B.3080107@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:02:19 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: getting a background image to display with xcompmgr X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:02:26 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 xcompmgr seems to place itself on top of anything else on the root window thus covering up any xv/feh/xsetroot images... how do I get a background image to display on top of xcompmgr - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSTobJ9+1V27SttsRAjtCAJ0RCggqzJHOi9sZx8c2wroZHHhttACdHcF6 FDpuB7OYsimgRuxqbTAngdc= =UftY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 09:10:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAB616A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B445913C44B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAP9Af54076172; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:10:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Tek Bahadur Limbu" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:11:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <47493799.5020201@wlink.com.np> Importance: Normal Cc: Andrey Slusar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:10:44 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tek Bahadur Limbu [mailto:teklimbu@wlink.com.np] > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:52 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Andrey Slusar; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform > > > Hi Andrey and Ted, > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Andrey Slusar > >> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:46 AM > >> To: Tek Bahadur Limbu > >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform > >> > >> > >> Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:49:19 +0545, Tek Bahadur Limbu wrote: > >> > >>> I know that this question has been asked on this list in the past. So > >>> I am sorry for repeating it. > >>> However, I would like to know the current answers and views on this > >>> question. > >>> Basically, I want to know which software you might be using as a Site > >>> configuration and management application for web hosting services. > >>> It will be used primarily to control about 500-1000 virtual domains. > >>> I know that there are Cpanel and Plesk which are very good commercial > >>> softwares catering the needs for a good web based management tool. > >>> So far, I have only tried out RAQdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/ > >> For commercial hostings needs commercial panels. > > > > Not really true. It depends on what your charging. If your charging > > the equivalent of $4.99 a month USD for a light duty site then your > > customers > > are cheapskates who are going to be satisfied with whatever you give > > then, commercial or not. > > > > The commercial control panels are appropriate for hosts that are > > charging some real money for the service. > > I guess you are correct. The price will be equivalent to less than $9.99 > a month. I think VHCS or ISPConfig will serve me good. > > From their sites, both are only available for Linux based systems. > Anyway, I will setup VHCS in a Debian box. > We actually use webmin ourselves. Although, we do not give the users any access to control panels whatsoever. The major thing they use them for is setting up mysql databases, and we make them ask us to do that for them. Since most users don't need to do this, it really isn't much of a support burden. The biggest support burden with users is getting them to figure out how to use their FTP or whatever file transfer software, or publish-shit button on frontpage (thank the maker that MS finally officially struck that product, so we can get away with punting on support of ancient free copies of this. People who can't figure out frontpage don't have any business making websites) Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 09:12:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721C416A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@elgert.dk) Received: from pqueuea.post.tele.dk (pqueuea.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FD813C442 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@elgert.dk) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by pqueuea.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0F8DC0B8 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:43:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from elgert.dk (0x573c4cb5.nivaanqu1.broadband.tele.dk [87.60.76.181]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BD3538A0074 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:42:59 +0100 (CET) Received: by elgert.dk (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:42:59 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:42:59 +0100 From: Harry Matthiesen Jensen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071125084259.GA1081@mugin.localhost> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <340a29540711241122g6d2b582av435a7d783e7efcff@mail.gmail.com> <47487F5D.6010103@math.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47487F5D.6010103@math.arizona.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Subject: Re: Having problems burning a DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:12:56 -0000 On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:45:33PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: >> > I think you are probably missing > > perm xpt0 0666 > perm pass0 0666 Which file are these to be set in? > # Misc other devices > > perm cdrom 0666 > perm dvd 0666 > perm rdvd 0666 > perm cd0 0666 > perm acd0 0666 > perm xpt0 0666 > perm pass0 0666 ..and where to set these? Are all to be set in devfs.conf? Thanks in advance -- Mvh/Brgds Harry FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #16: Nov 17 08:54:39 CET 2007 i386 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 09:23:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF4316A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:23:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6953113C447 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:23:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAP9Mwsk026124; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:22:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6D184B8F8; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:22:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:22:58 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Zachary Kline Message-ID: <20071125092258.GA68038@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Zachary Kline , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20071124234922.GS1918@iphouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SUOF0GtieIMvvwua" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help with a new port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:23:00 -0000 --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 05:01:36PM -0800, Zachary Kline wrote: > I must confess I haven't. I'll look into it and see what comes up.= =20 > Currently trying to figure out how to get ports upgraded in a sane fashio= n=20 > as well, as I've noticed some of the packages are quite behind in compari= son=20 > to the ports they're based on. First of all, if you look into the ports directories on the FreeBSD FTP servers, you'll see different versions of the packages, e.g. packages-5-stable, packages-6-stable, packages-6.2-release, packages-7-current, etc. Depending on which version you installed, 'pkg_add -r' picks the packages from one of those directories. So if you installed 6.2-RELEASE, you'll probably get packages from packages-6.2-release. That packages tree is based on the ports tree at the moment that 6.2 was released. So the best way to keep your ports current is to build them yourself. First, update your ports tree with portsnap (from the base system). Then install one of the ports management tools like portmaster or portupgrade, and use that to upgrade the ports. Do read /usr/ports/UPDATING so that you are aware of any issues. If you have questions, don't hesitate to ask on the list, but have a look through the list archives as well, if you can access them.=20 If you have trouble navigating the FreeBSD website, you should contact the website maintainers mailing list: freebsd-www@freebsd.org. Good luck! Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHST7yEnfvsMMhpyURAgCKAJ4s6mo0UxtJ9MWzo5hHv3AVL7P89ACgroH1 8GWZ+Psx6DYE39sMs8+0GQc= =oL3+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 09:32:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D84B16A420 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E504913C4CC for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:32:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAP9Wv91033363 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:32:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EF3DEB8F8; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:32:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:32:56 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071125093256.GB68038@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <340a29540711241122g6d2b582av435a7d783e7efcff@mail.gmail.com> <47487F5D.6010103@math.arizona.edu> <20071125084259.GA1081@mugin.localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071125084259.GA1081@mugin.localhost> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: Having problems burning a DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:32:59 -0000 --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 09:42:59AM +0100, Harry Matthiesen Jensen wrote: > On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:45:33PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: > >> =20 > > I think you are probably missing > >=20 > > perm xpt0 0666 > > perm pass0 0666 >=20 > Which file are these to be set in? >=20 > > # Misc other devices > >=20 > > perm cdrom 0666 > > perm dvd 0666 > > perm rdvd 0666 > > perm cd0 0666 > > perm acd0 0666 > > perm xpt0 0666 > > perm pass0 0666 >=20 > ..and where to set these? >=20 > Are all to be set in devfs.conf? Looking at the format, I'd say yes. On my own system, I put the pass devices in devfs.rules, because they can be generated at runtime; add path 'pass*' mode 0666 group wheel Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHSUFIEnfvsMMhpyURAm46AJ9+L58jre8QYcNPhVVM2aNRJMhHhACglEp7 qFrjYKkjHC0MViUq+WRaNm8= =gByi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 09:45:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C8916A419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A06C13C455; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:45:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <47494455.4010509@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:45:57 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tundra@tundraware.com References: <47493871.9050006@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <47493871.9050006@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Dreaded '__mb_sb_limit' Error And What To Do About It X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:45:51 -0000 Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On one of my FBSD 6-STABLE machines, I have the system cvsup the latest > sources nightly and rebuild (but not install) the system and all > relevant kernels. Every week or so, I go to single user and > install what was last built (assuming the build worked OK). > > My last such venture was on 11-20-2007 without problems. > > Tonight, I tried to do this again, and immediately got hit with > the libexec '_mb_sb_limit' symbol missing problem. I fell back > to the 11-20-2007 system image, and all is once again well. > > So, here's my question. Is this a temporary problem that will be > resolved at some point before 6.3 is released, or do I have have to > rebuild the entire system applications set to get new binaries that > don't depend on this symbol? Also, if it is going to be fixed, how > will I know it has been before trying another update like this again? See discussion on freebsd-stable Kris > > TIA, > > P.S. Rebuilding the apps on this system would be a REAL pain. Here's > hoping the fine FBSD developers can find it within themselves to > make this symbol once again appear so old binaries will run unchanged. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 10:10:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CB216A419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from smtp102.math.arizona.edu (smtp102.math.arizona.edu [128.196.102.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACF413C44B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from Debian-exim by smtp102.math.arizona.edu with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IwERF-0003su-B5 for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:10:14 -0700 Received: from 71-220-154-82.tcsn.qwest.net ([71.220.154.82] helo=.domain.actdsltmp) by smtp102.math.arizona.edu with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IwER5-0003sU-Lp; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:09:59 -0700 Message-ID: <474949F2.6060803@math.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:09:54 -0700 From: Predrag Punosevac User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070916) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Matthiesen Jensen , questions@freebsd.org References: <340a29540711241122g6d2b582av435a7d783e7efcff@mail.gmail.com> <47487F5D.6010103@math.arizona.edu> <20071125084259.GA1081@mugin.localhost> In-Reply-To: <20071125084259.GA1081@mugin.localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ACL-Warn: The HELO/EHLO greeting .domain.actdsltmp is invalid X-Outgoing-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Cc: Subject: Re: Having problems burning a DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:10:18 -0000 Harry Matthiesen Jensen wrote: > On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:45:33PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: > >>> >>> >> I think you are probably missing >> >> perm xpt0 0666 >> perm pass0 0666 >> > > Which file are these to be set in? > > >> # Misc other devices >> >> perm cdrom 0666 >> perm dvd 0666 >> perm rdvd 0666 >> perm cd0 0666 >> perm acd0 0666 >> perm xpt0 0666 >> perm pass0 0666 >> > > ..and where to set these? > > Are all to be set in devfs.conf? > > Thanks in advance > > Yes, they should be set in /etc/devfs.conf if you want to use something like K3b but I was rushing to post and I think you got much better advices from other people. Read very carefully http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html and follow every step. You should try to burn your first DVD from the command line as a supper user! Just to make your life easier if you have newer DVD-RW it is probably ATAPI. Best Predrag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 10:12:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2558616A469 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A031313C455 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c220-239-172-188.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.172.188]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPACFKU019761; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:12:16 +1100 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jerahmy Pocott Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:12:14 +1100 To: Ted Mittelstaedt X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Roger Olofsson Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:12:20 -0000 Well the main reason is that it was part of IPF, and IPF seemed to be better than IPFW? So when trying out IPF I also used IPNAT.. I had no problems with natd but it seemed I should use the IPNAT if I was using IPF? On 25/11/2007, at 8:00 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > The other thing you can do is simply switch back to natd. > > You didn't say why you decided to switch in the first place. > > A lot of times people switch because they are having problems > with natd. Are you? If not, you should be aware that natd > does support more kinds of protocol translations. > > Ted > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Roger >> Olofsson >> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:09 PM >> To: Jerahmy Pocott >> Cc: FreeBSD Questions >> Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT >> >> >> Hello again Jerahmy, >> >> I would suggest that you verify what port(s) and protocol(s) >> 'Sonic Wall >> Global VPN Client' needs to work. >> >> I would also suggest that you look in the logfile from ipf to see >> what >> it's blocking and when. >> >> My guess is that the VPN client is using a protocol like IPSEC (IP >> protocol 50) and possibly port 500 (IKE) for which you will have to >> activate the ipnat proxy. >> >> map WAN internal_ip/24 -> 0.0.0.0/32 proxy port 500 ipsec/udp >> >> You might also try to disable the blocking of fragged packets. For >> some >> VPN clients this can cause problems. >> >> Good luck! >> >> /Roger >> >> >> >> Jerahmy Pocott skrev: >>> Sorry let me clarify.. >>> >>> There are two issues, one is connecting to any external VPN, with no >>> filter I >>> can establish a connection to PPTP VPN, but the 'Sonic Wall >>> Global VPN >>> Client' >>> still fails to connect even with no filter rules. >>> >>> The redirect for the CVS server has an ipf rule to allow >> traffic on that >>> port, but >>> users are getting connection refused messages. >>> >>> I will include my ipf rules, I clearly need some sort of rule to >>> allow >>> inbound for >>> the VPN to work, though I think the ipnat is breaking the Sonic Wall >>> client. Which >>> is strange because everything worked fine with ipfw/natd. >>> >>> Here are my ipf rules: >>> >>> # Allow all in/out on internel interface >>> pass in quick on fxp0 all >>> pass out quick on fxp0 all >>> >>> # Allow all in/out on loopback interface >>> pass in quick on lo0 all >>> pass out quick on lo0 all >>> >>> # Allow all out-going on public interface and keep state >>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state >>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto udp from any to any keep state >>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto icmp from any to any keep state >>> >>> # Block all inbound traffic from non-routable or reserved address >>> spaces >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 192.168.0.0/16 to any #RFC 1918 >> private IP >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 172.16.0.0/12 to any #RFC 1918 >> private IP >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 10.0.0.0/8 to any #RFC 1918 >> private IP >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 127.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 0.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 169.254.0.0/16 to any #DHCP auto- >>> config >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 192.0.2.0/24 to any #reserved >>> for docs >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 204.152.64.0/23 to any #Sun cluster >>> interconnect >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 224.0.0.0/3 to any #Class D & >> E multicast >>> # Block frags >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with frags >>> # Block short tcp packets >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp all with short >>> # block source routed packets >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with opt lsrr >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with opt ssrr >>> # Block anything with special options >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with ipopts >>> # Block public pings >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto icmp all icmp-type 8 >>> # Block ident >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any port = 113 >>> # Block all Netbios service. 137=name, 138=datagram, 139=session >>> # Block MS/Windows hosts2 name server requests 81 >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 137 >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 138 >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 139 >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 81 >>> >>> # Allow CVS access >>> pass in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 2401 >>> >>> # Logged Blocking Rules # >>> >>> # Block nmap OS fingerprint attempts >>> block in log first quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags FUP >>> >>> # Block all other in coming traffic >>> block in log first quick on fxp1 all >>> >>> Thanks for the help! >>> J. >>> >>> On 25/11/2007, at 12:50 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Jerahmy, >>>> >>>> Assuming you want to connect from the outside to your VPN. >>>> >>>> Have you made sure that port 2401 is open for inbound traffic in >>>> your >>>> ipf.rules? >>>> >>>> You might also want to do 'ipnat -C -f '. Man >>>> ipnat ;^) >>>> >>>> Greeting from Sweden >>>> /Roger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jerahmy Pocott skrev: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I recently decided to give ipf and ipnat a try, previously I had >>>>> always been using >>>>> ipfw and natd. Since switching over I can no longer establish a >>>>> VPN >>>>> tunnel from >>>>> any system behind the gateway. >>>>> I did 'ipf -F a' to flush all rules but I was still unable to >>>>> connect >>>>> so I think it's a problem >>>>> with ipnat? Also my redirect from ipnat doesn't seem to work >>>>> either. >>>>> These are the only ipnat rules I have: >>>>> (fxp1 is the external interface) >>>>> # ipnat built in ftp proxy rules >>>>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >>>>> map fxp1 0.0.0.0/0 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >>>>> # CVS Server on Fileserv >>>>> rdr fxp1 0/32 port 2401 -> 10.0.0.2 port 2401 tcp/udp >>>>> # nat all out going traffic on fxp1 from internal lan >>>>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 >>>>> I can post my firewall rules too if that would help, however >>>>> with NO >>>>> rules set it >>>>> still didn't work so I don't think that would help.. (I'm using >>>>> the >>>>> klm which is default >>>>> to accept?) >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> J. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 10:21:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DA116A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6EF13C455 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c220-239-172-188.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.172.188]) by mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPALRPQ014276; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:21:28 +1100 In-Reply-To: <4748A115.1010002@passagen.se> References: <7BB1A732-4F07-499E-A183-22776FEEEE90@optusnet.com.au> <47482C2C.6010700@passagen.se> <894E3C92-2C45-4FC2-8C56-D4B303F0349F@optusnet.com.au> <4748A115.1010002@passagen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57A2907C-0660-458C-B254-3C893B4532CB@optusnet.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jerahmy Pocott Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:21:27 +1100 To: Roger Olofsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:21:31 -0000 The Sonic Wall client doesn't trigger ANY firewall rules, which is why I thought there must be something going wrong with the NAT. It actually establishes the tunnel okay but never gets an IP address, from my understanding this client uses some sort of dhcp over ipsec to provision the client address.. What I am getting using the standard PPTP method are a bunch of hits: fxp1 @0:25 b x.x.x.x -> 10.0.0.3 PR gre len 20 (93) IN NAT (rule @0:25 is the final 'block all' rule) What is protocol 'gre'? Why is a NAT'd packet getting blocked?! Thanks! J. On 25/11/2007, at 9:09 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: > Hello again Jerahmy, > > I would suggest that you verify what port(s) and protocol(s) 'Sonic > Wall Global VPN Client' needs to work. > > I would also suggest that you look in the logfile from ipf to see > what it's blocking and when. > > My guess is that the VPN client is using a protocol like IPSEC (IP > protocol 50) and possibly port 500 (IKE) for which you will have to > activate the ipnat proxy. > > map WAN internal_ip/24 -> 0.0.0.0/32 proxy port 500 ipsec/udp > > You might also try to disable the blocking of fragged packets. For > some VPN clients this can cause problems. > > Good luck! > > /Roger > > > > Jerahmy Pocott skrev: >> Sorry let me clarify.. >> There are two issues, one is connecting to any external VPN, with >> no filter I >> can establish a connection to PPTP VPN, but the 'Sonic Wall Global >> VPN Client' >> still fails to connect even with no filter rules. >> The redirect for the CVS server has an ipf rule to allow traffic >> on that port, but >> users are getting connection refused messages. >> I will include my ipf rules, I clearly need some sort of rule to >> allow inbound for >> the VPN to work, though I think the ipnat is breaking the Sonic >> Wall client. Which >> is strange because everything worked fine with ipfw/natd. >> Here are my ipf rules: >> # Allow all in/out on internel interface >> pass in quick on fxp0 all >> pass out quick on fxp0 all >> # Allow all in/out on loopback interface >> pass in quick on lo0 all >> pass out quick on lo0 all >> # Allow all out-going on public interface and keep state >> pass out quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state >> pass out quick on fxp1 proto udp from any to any keep state >> pass out quick on fxp1 proto icmp from any to any keep state >> # Block all inbound traffic from non-routable or reserved address >> spaces >> block in quick on fxp1 from 192.168.0.0/16 to any #RFC 1918 >> private IP >> block in quick on fxp1 from 172.16.0.0/12 to any #RFC 1918 >> private IP >> block in quick on fxp1 from 10.0.0.0/8 to any #RFC 1918 >> private IP >> block in quick on fxp1 from 127.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback >> block in quick on fxp1 from 0.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback >> block in quick on fxp1 from 169.254.0.0/16 to any #DHCP auto- >> config >> block in quick on fxp1 from 192.0.2.0/24 to any #reserved for >> docs >> block in quick on fxp1 from 204.152.64.0/23 to any #Sun cluster >> interconnect >> block in quick on fxp1 from 224.0.0.0/3 to any #Class D & E >> multicast >> # Block frags >> block in quick on fxp1 all with frags >> # Block short tcp packets >> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp all with short >> # block source routed packets >> block in quick on fxp1 all with opt lsrr >> block in quick on fxp1 all with opt ssrr >> # Block anything with special options >> block in quick on fxp1 all with ipopts >> # Block public pings >> block in quick on fxp1 proto icmp all icmp-type 8 >> # Block ident >> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any port = 113 >> # Block all Netbios service. 137=name, 138=datagram, 139=session >> # Block MS/Windows hosts2 name server requests 81 >> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 137 >> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 138 >> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 139 >> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 81 >> # Allow CVS access >> pass in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 2401 >> # Logged Blocking Rules # >> # Block nmap OS fingerprint attempts >> block in log first quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags FUP >> # Block all other in coming traffic >> block in log first quick on fxp1 all >> Thanks for the help! >> J. >> On 25/11/2007, at 12:50 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: >>> Hello Jerahmy, >>> >>> Assuming you want to connect from the outside to your VPN. >>> >>> Have you made sure that port 2401 is open for inbound traffic in >>> your ipf.rules? >>> >>> You might also want to do 'ipnat -C -f '. >>> Man ipnat ;^) >>> >>> Greeting from Sweden >>> /Roger >>> >>> >>> >>> Jerahmy Pocott skrev: >>>> Hello, >>>> I recently decided to give ipf and ipnat a try, previously I had >>>> always been using >>>> ipfw and natd. Since switching over I can no longer establish a >>>> VPN tunnel from >>>> any system behind the gateway. >>>> I did 'ipf -F a' to flush all rules but I was still unable to >>>> connect so I think it's a problem >>>> with ipnat? Also my redirect from ipnat doesn't seem to work >>>> either. >>>> These are the only ipnat rules I have: >>>> (fxp1 is the external interface) >>>> # ipnat built in ftp proxy rules >>>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >>>> map fxp1 0.0.0.0/0 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >>>> # CVS Server on Fileserv >>>> rdr fxp1 0/32 port 2401 -> 10.0.0.2 port 2401 tcp/udp >>>> # nat all out going traffic on fxp1 from internal lan >>>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 >>>> I can post my firewall rules too if that would help, however >>>> with NO rules set it >>>> still didn't work so I don't think that would help.. (I'm using >>>> the klm which is default >>>> to accept?) >>>> Thanks! >>>> J. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >>>> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >>> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 11:41:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09AA16A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F84C13C43E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAPBfIpa077402; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:41:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Jerahmy Pocott" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:42:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Roger Olofsson Subject: RE: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:41:21 -0000 That's an absolutely terrible reason. On FreeBSD and the other open source operating systems there are always multiple ways to solve a problem. While in a few situations it can definitively be stated that one program is better (for example, sendmail is obviously superior to qmail) in most situations the different programs are merely different. The "better" one is the one that works for YOUR problem the best. Not the one that works for someone else's problem. ipf is no better than ipfw for most purposes, it's just different. In this case, you had a working solution and now you don't. So, clearly, in your case, it's WORSE. Ted > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerahmy Pocott [mailto:quakenet1@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:12 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Roger Olofsson; FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT > > > Well the main reason is that it was part of IPF, and IPF seemed to be > better > than IPFW? So when trying out IPF I also used IPNAT.. I had no problems > with natd but it seemed I should use the IPNAT if I was using IPF? > > On 25/11/2007, at 8:00 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > > The other thing you can do is simply switch back to natd. > > > > You didn't say why you decided to switch in the first place. > > > > A lot of times people switch because they are having problems > > with natd. Are you? If not, you should be aware that natd > > does support more kinds of protocol translations. > > > > Ted > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Roger > >> Olofsson > >> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:09 PM > >> To: Jerahmy Pocott > >> Cc: FreeBSD Questions > >> Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT > >> > >> > >> Hello again Jerahmy, > >> > >> I would suggest that you verify what port(s) and protocol(s) > >> 'Sonic Wall > >> Global VPN Client' needs to work. > >> > >> I would also suggest that you look in the logfile from ipf to see > >> what > >> it's blocking and when. > >> > >> My guess is that the VPN client is using a protocol like IPSEC (IP > >> protocol 50) and possibly port 500 (IKE) for which you will have to > >> activate the ipnat proxy. > >> > >> map WAN internal_ip/24 -> 0.0.0.0/32 proxy port 500 ipsec/udp > >> > >> You might also try to disable the blocking of fragged packets. For > >> some > >> VPN clients this can cause problems. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> /Roger > >> > >> > >> > >> Jerahmy Pocott skrev: > >>> Sorry let me clarify.. > >>> > >>> There are two issues, one is connecting to any external VPN, with no > >>> filter I > >>> can establish a connection to PPTP VPN, but the 'Sonic Wall > >>> Global VPN > >>> Client' > >>> still fails to connect even with no filter rules. > >>> > >>> The redirect for the CVS server has an ipf rule to allow > >> traffic on that > >>> port, but > >>> users are getting connection refused messages. > >>> > >>> I will include my ipf rules, I clearly need some sort of rule to > >>> allow > >>> inbound for > >>> the VPN to work, though I think the ipnat is breaking the Sonic Wall > >>> client. Which > >>> is strange because everything worked fine with ipfw/natd. > >>> > >>> Here are my ipf rules: > >>> > >>> # Allow all in/out on internel interface > >>> pass in quick on fxp0 all > >>> pass out quick on fxp0 all > >>> > >>> # Allow all in/out on loopback interface > >>> pass in quick on lo0 all > >>> pass out quick on lo0 all > >>> > >>> # Allow all out-going on public interface and keep state > >>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state > >>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto udp from any to any keep state > >>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto icmp from any to any keep state > >>> > >>> # Block all inbound traffic from non-routable or reserved address > >>> spaces > >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 192.168.0.0/16 to any #RFC 1918 > >> private IP > >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 172.16.0.0/12 to any #RFC 1918 > >> private IP > >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 10.0.0.0/8 to any #RFC 1918 > >> private IP > >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 127.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback > >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 0.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback > >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 169.254.0.0/16 to any #DHCP auto- > >>> config > >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 192.0.2.0/24 to any #reserved > >>> for docs > >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 204.152.64.0/23 to any #Sun cluster > >>> interconnect > >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 224.0.0.0/3 to any #Class D & > >> E multicast > >>> # Block frags > >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with frags > >>> # Block short tcp packets > >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp all with short > >>> # block source routed packets > >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with opt lsrr > >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with opt ssrr > >>> # Block anything with special options > >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with ipopts > >>> # Block public pings > >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto icmp all icmp-type 8 > >>> # Block ident > >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any port = 113 > >>> # Block all Netbios service. 137=name, 138=datagram, 139=session > >>> # Block MS/Windows hosts2 name server requests 81 > >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 137 > >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 138 > >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 139 > >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 81 > >>> > >>> # Allow CVS access > >>> pass in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 2401 > >>> > >>> # Logged Blocking Rules # > >>> > >>> # Block nmap OS fingerprint attempts > >>> block in log first quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags FUP > >>> > >>> # Block all other in coming traffic > >>> block in log first quick on fxp1 all > >>> > >>> Thanks for the help! > >>> J. > >>> > >>> On 25/11/2007, at 12:50 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello Jerahmy, > >>>> > >>>> Assuming you want to connect from the outside to your VPN. > >>>> > >>>> Have you made sure that port 2401 is open for inbound traffic in > >>>> your > >>>> ipf.rules? > >>>> > >>>> You might also want to do 'ipnat -C -f '. Man > >>>> ipnat ;^) > >>>> > >>>> Greeting from Sweden > >>>> /Roger > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Jerahmy Pocott skrev: > >>>>> Hello, > >>>>> I recently decided to give ipf and ipnat a try, previously I had > >>>>> always been using > >>>>> ipfw and natd. Since switching over I can no longer establish a > >>>>> VPN > >>>>> tunnel from > >>>>> any system behind the gateway. > >>>>> I did 'ipf -F a' to flush all rules but I was still unable to > >>>>> connect > >>>>> so I think it's a problem > >>>>> with ipnat? Also my redirect from ipnat doesn't seem to work > >>>>> either. > >>>>> These are the only ipnat rules I have: > >>>>> (fxp1 is the external interface) > >>>>> # ipnat built in ftp proxy rules > >>>>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp > >>>>> map fxp1 0.0.0.0/0 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp > >>>>> # CVS Server on Fileserv > >>>>> rdr fxp1 0/32 port 2401 -> 10.0.0.2 port 2401 tcp/udp > >>>>> # nat all out going traffic on fxp1 from internal lan > >>>>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 > >>>>> I can post my firewall rules too if that would help, however > >>>>> with NO > >>>>> rules set it > >>>>> still didn't work so I don't think that would help.. (I'm using > >>>>> the > >>>>> klm which is default > >>>>> to accept?) > >>>>> Thanks! > >>>>> J. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:32:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3D316A479 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:32:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ovi@unixservers.us) Received: from webserver.easyhosting.ro (unixware.iasi.rdsnet.ro [86.124.41.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABB013C46A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ovi@unixservers.us) Received: from [10.0.0.14] (unknown [10.0.0.14]) (Authenticated sender: ovi@unixservers.us) by webserver.easyhosting.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84637FD023; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:32:23 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <47496AD7.9070508@unixservers.us> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:30:15 +0200 From: Ovi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tek Bahadur Limbu References: <4746A5A3.7040508@wlink.com.np> In-Reply-To: <4746A5A3.7040508@wlink.com.np> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:32:12 -0000 Tek Bahadur Limbu wrote: > Hi All, > > I know that this question has been asked on this list in the past. So > I am sorry for repeating it. > > However, I would like to know the current answers and views on this > question. > > Basically, I want to know which software you might be using as a Site > configuration and management application for web hosting services. > > It will be used primarily to control about 500-1000 virtual domains. > > I know that there are Cpanel and Plesk which are very good commercial > softwares catering the needs for a good web based management tool. > > So far, I have only tried out RAQdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/ > > It seems good but is quite limited in it's features. > > So I would like to know more open source softwares used for this type > of services. > > > Thanking you... > > We are using syscp and it works well. (you will need to modify it to suit your needs, the source code is clean and easy to modify). Any open source software you try, it is not 100% complete (as far as I know, from my experience with open source web panels), so you will have to modify the code. The bad thing with syscp is that dns server is not configurable from web interface (there is a patch, but it allows you to modify DNS only from admin account, which is not good, I think you will need regular users to be able to configure their own dns servers), so this is one thing you must add. I asume you need 3 types of accounts, admin account, reseller account and user account. http://www.syscp.org/ best regards, ovi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:47:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D056016A41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:47:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5537A13C45B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:47:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c220-239-172-188.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.172.188]) by mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPClfRR028324; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:47:41 +1100 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jerahmy Pocott Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:47:40 +1100 To: Ted Mittelstaedt X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:47:52 -0000 Perhaps, but I'v heard a lot of good things about IPF and IPNAT, especially since the nat is all in kernel where as natd is userland, so there is a slight performance boost possibly there as well.. It is not difficult to switch back to my old set up, but I thought I would give it a chance, since I'v not used IPF before I figured it was likely something I'v done wrong rather than something wrong with the program! I like the rule format in ipf and how simple it is to change ipnat rules on the fly without dumping current mappings. And it SHOULD work just as well as natd? On 25/11/2007, at 10:42 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > That's an absolutely terrible reason. > > On FreeBSD and the other open source operating systems there > are always multiple ways to solve a problem. While in a few > situations it can definitively be stated that one program is > better (for example, sendmail is obviously superior to qmail) > in most situations the different programs are merely different. > The "better" one is the one that works for YOUR problem the > best. Not the one that works for someone else's problem. > > ipf is no better than ipfw for most purposes, it's just different. > In this case, you had a working solution and now you don't. So, > clearly, in your case, it's WORSE. > > Ted > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerahmy Pocott [mailto:quakenet1@optusnet.com.au] >> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:12 AM >> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >> Cc: Roger Olofsson; FreeBSD Questions >> Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT >> >> >> Well the main reason is that it was part of IPF, and IPF seemed to be >> better >> than IPFW? So when trying out IPF I also used IPNAT.. I had no >> problems >> with natd but it seemed I should use the IPNAT if I was using IPF? >> >> On 25/11/2007, at 8:00 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> >>> >>> The other thing you can do is simply switch back to natd. >>> >>> You didn't say why you decided to switch in the first place. >>> >>> A lot of times people switch because they are having problems >>> with natd. Are you? If not, you should be aware that natd >>> does support more kinds of protocol translations. >>> >>> Ted >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Roger >>>> Olofsson >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:09 PM >>>> To: Jerahmy Pocott >>>> Cc: FreeBSD Questions >>>> Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello again Jerahmy, >>>> >>>> I would suggest that you verify what port(s) and protocol(s) >>>> 'Sonic Wall >>>> Global VPN Client' needs to work. >>>> >>>> I would also suggest that you look in the logfile from ipf to see >>>> what >>>> it's blocking and when. >>>> >>>> My guess is that the VPN client is using a protocol like IPSEC (IP >>>> protocol 50) and possibly port 500 (IKE) for which you will have to >>>> activate the ipnat proxy. >>>> >>>> map WAN internal_ip/24 -> 0.0.0.0/32 proxy port 500 ipsec/udp >>>> >>>> You might also try to disable the blocking of fragged packets. For >>>> some >>>> VPN clients this can cause problems. >>>> >>>> Good luck! >>>> >>>> /Roger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jerahmy Pocott skrev: >>>>> Sorry let me clarify.. >>>>> >>>>> There are two issues, one is connecting to any external VPN, >>>>> with no >>>>> filter I >>>>> can establish a connection to PPTP VPN, but the 'Sonic Wall >>>>> Global VPN >>>>> Client' >>>>> still fails to connect even with no filter rules. >>>>> >>>>> The redirect for the CVS server has an ipf rule to allow >>>> traffic on that >>>>> port, but >>>>> users are getting connection refused messages. >>>>> >>>>> I will include my ipf rules, I clearly need some sort of rule to >>>>> allow >>>>> inbound for >>>>> the VPN to work, though I think the ipnat is breaking the Sonic >>>>> Wall >>>>> client. Which >>>>> is strange because everything worked fine with ipfw/natd. >>>>> >>>>> Here are my ipf rules: >>>>> >>>>> # Allow all in/out on internel interface >>>>> pass in quick on fxp0 all >>>>> pass out quick on fxp0 all >>>>> >>>>> # Allow all in/out on loopback interface >>>>> pass in quick on lo0 all >>>>> pass out quick on lo0 all >>>>> >>>>> # Allow all out-going on public interface and keep state >>>>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep >>>>> state >>>>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto udp from any to any keep state >>>>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto icmp from any to any keep state >>>>> >>>>> # Block all inbound traffic from non-routable or reserved address >>>>> spaces >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 from 192.168.0.0/16 to any #RFC 1918 >>>> private IP >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 from 172.16.0.0/12 to any #RFC 1918 >>>> private IP >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 from 10.0.0.0/8 to any #RFC 1918 >>>> private IP >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 from 127.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 from 0.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 from 169.254.0.0/16 to any #DHCP auto- >>>>> config >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 from 192.0.2.0/24 to any #reserved >>>>> for docs >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 from 204.152.64.0/23 to any #Sun cluster >>>>> interconnect >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 from 224.0.0.0/3 to any #Class D & >>>> E multicast >>>>> # Block frags >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 all with frags >>>>> # Block short tcp packets >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp all with short >>>>> # block source routed packets >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 all with opt lsrr >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 all with opt ssrr >>>>> # Block anything with special options >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 all with ipopts >>>>> # Block public pings >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 proto icmp all icmp-type 8 >>>>> # Block ident >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any port = 113 >>>>> # Block all Netbios service. 137=name, 138=datagram, 139=session >>>>> # Block MS/Windows hosts2 name server requests 81 >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 137 >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 138 >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 139 >>>>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 81 >>>>> >>>>> # Allow CVS access >>>>> pass in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 2401 >>>>> >>>>> # Logged Blocking Rules # >>>>> >>>>> # Block nmap OS fingerprint attempts >>>>> block in log first quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any >>>>> flags FUP >>>>> >>>>> # Block all other in coming traffic >>>>> block in log first quick on fxp1 all >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the help! >>>>> J. >>>>> >>>>> On 25/11/2007, at 12:50 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Jerahmy, >>>>>> >>>>>> Assuming you want to connect from the outside to your VPN. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you made sure that port 2401 is open for inbound traffic in >>>>>> your >>>>>> ipf.rules? >>>>>> >>>>>> You might also want to do 'ipnat -C -f '. >>>>>> Man >>>>>> ipnat ;^) >>>>>> >>>>>> Greeting from Sweden >>>>>> /Roger >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerahmy Pocott skrev: >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> I recently decided to give ipf and ipnat a try, previously I had >>>>>>> always been using >>>>>>> ipfw and natd. Since switching over I can no longer establish a >>>>>>> VPN >>>>>>> tunnel from >>>>>>> any system behind the gateway. >>>>>>> I did 'ipf -F a' to flush all rules but I was still unable to >>>>>>> connect >>>>>>> so I think it's a problem >>>>>>> with ipnat? Also my redirect from ipnat doesn't seem to work >>>>>>> either. >>>>>>> These are the only ipnat rules I have: >>>>>>> (fxp1 is the external interface) >>>>>>> # ipnat built in ftp proxy rules >>>>>>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >>>>>>> map fxp1 0.0.0.0/0 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >>>>>>> # CVS Server on Fileserv >>>>>>> rdr fxp1 0/32 port 2401 -> 10.0.0.2 port 2401 tcp/udp >>>>>>> # nat all out going traffic on fxp1 from internal lan >>>>>>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 >>>>>>> I can post my firewall rules too if that would help, however >>>>>>> with NO >>>>>>> rules set it >>>>>>> still didn't work so I don't think that would help.. (I'm using >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> klm which is default >>>>>>> to accept?) >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> J. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >>> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:06:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6C216A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankstaals@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F5DA13C442 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankstaals@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Nov 2007 13:06:29 -0000 Received: from ip176-173-59-62.adsl.versatel.nl (EHLO Rena.FStaals.net) [62.59.173.176] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 14:06:29 +0100 X-Authenticated: #25365336 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18mn4hC+B4mz10rUaDYFilaBd1iu2YeGddVXo+5kQ uYyJyUvvBQtTQ8 Message-ID: <47497317.5090406@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:05:27 +0100 From: Frank Staals User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071107) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Smith References: <47431E4D.3010702@gmx.net> <20071120182203.GA93313@slackbox.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20071120182203.GA93313@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: snd_ich skipping playback X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:06:37 -0000 Roland Smith wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 06:50:05PM +0100, Frank Staals wrote: > >> I updated to RELENG_7 yesterday, but I'm noticing that the snd_ich driver >> quite often skips playback for a short period of time at some points. >> Especially when doing mysql queries. Anyone else having problems with >> snd_ich ? >> >> frank@FStaals$ uname -a >> FreeBSD FStaals.net 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #2: Mon Nov 19 19:50:46 CET >> 2007 root@FStaals.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PFSERVERKERNEL amd64 >> >> frank@FStaals$ pciconf -lv >> pcm0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x040100 card=0x71851462 chip=0x005910de >> rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' >> device = 'Realtek ALC850 Realtek AC'97 Audio' >> class = multimedia >> subclass = audio >> >> frank@FStaals$ dmesg | grep pcm >> pcm0: port 0xea00-0xeaff,0xee00-0xeeff mem >> 0xfe02d000-0xfe02dfff irq 23 at device 4.0 on pci0 >> pcm0: [ITHREAD] >> pcm0: >> > > I've had trouble with skipping sound some time ago on machines with > another chipset; > $ cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2007061600/amd64) > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xd800 irq 22 [MPSAFE] (5p:4v/1r:1v channels > duplex default) > > I put the following in /boot/device.hints > > # Larger DMA buffer for the soundcard, for better sound quality. > hint.pcm.0.buffersize="16384" > > This fixed the problem for me. > > Roland > Ah thanks for the hint, but I'm guessing that won't work since aparently the buffersice is allready 16K : root@FStaals# sysctl -a | grep pcm dev.pcm.0.%desc: nVidia nForce4 dev.pcm.0.%driver: pcm dev.pcm.0.%location: slot=4 function=0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.MACI dev.pcm.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x10de device=0x0059 subvendor=0x1462 subdevice=0x7185 class=0x040100 dev.pcm.0.%parent: pci0 dev.pcm.0.eapd: 1 dev.pcm.0.play.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.0.play.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.0.play.vchanformat: s16le dev.pcm.0.rec.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.0.rec.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.0.rec.vchanformat: s16le dev.pcm.0.buffersize: 16384 dev.pcm.0.ac97rate: 48000 Anyone else a hint ? -- -Frank Staals From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:47:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF2A16A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:47:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAC813C4D1 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:47:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A59BB2D8717; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:47:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.152.142.21] (helo=freebsdangel.de) by smtp07.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1IwHp6-0001RR-00; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:47:00 +0100 Message-ID: <47497CDB.8050802@web.de> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:47:07 +0100 From: Tino Engel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Howard Goldstein References: <4748DB56.3010206@queue.to> In-Reply-To: <4748DB56.3010206@queue.to> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: elrap@web.de X-Sender: elrap@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19qDYK9LEgW15z/JOmsrdWQaa89IZXNzDd4QILX YKLC3TJRP9MWlIBc0t4sqZ6rGGemPJIl3SD2Lbbv553mK0QfZR xw4gZClgQ= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scoll lock - can't unlock in text login after xorg session X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:47:14 -0000 Howard Goldstein schrieb: > Just noticed this, after scroll locking for page up/page down in a text > login: I cannot unlock anymore. Does anyone else see this? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I experienced a similar problem when not having set a login password. Setting it helped. Greez, Tino From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:58:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A35F16A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: from av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AF513C45B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6FA3E38015; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CBD37E96; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90-230-142-213-no41.tbcn.telia.com [90.230.142.213]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAE437E45; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47498012.9000201@passagen.se> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:00:50 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerahmy Pocott References: <7BB1A732-4F07-499E-A183-22776FEEEE90@optusnet.com.au> <47482C2C.6010700@passagen.se> <894E3C92-2C45-4FC2-8C56-D4B303F0349F@optusnet.com.au> <4748A115.1010002@passagen.se> <57A2907C-0660-458C-B254-3C893B4532CB@optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <57A2907C-0660-458C-B254-3C893B4532CB@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:58:56 -0000 Jerahmy Pocott skrev: > The Sonic Wall client doesn't trigger ANY firewall rules, which is why I > thought > there must be something going wrong with the NAT. It actually > establishes the > tunnel okay but never gets an IP address, from my understanding this client > uses some sort of dhcp over ipsec to provision the client address.. > > What I am getting using the standard PPTP method are a bunch of hits: > > fxp1 @0:25 b x.x.x.x -> 10.0.0.3 PR gre len 20 (93) IN NAT > > (rule @0:25 is the final 'block all' rule) > > What is protocol 'gre'? Why is a NAT'd packet getting blocked?! > > Thanks! > J. > > On 25/11/2007, at 9:09 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: > >> Hello again Jerahmy, >> >> I would suggest that you verify what port(s) and protocol(s) 'Sonic >> Wall Global VPN Client' needs to work. >> >> I would also suggest that you look in the logfile from ipf to see what >> it's blocking and when. >> >> My guess is that the VPN client is using a protocol like IPSEC (IP >> protocol 50) and possibly port 500 (IKE) for which you will have to >> activate the ipnat proxy. >> >> map WAN internal_ip/24 -> 0.0.0.0/32 proxy port 500 ipsec/udp >> >> You might also try to disable the blocking of fragged packets. For >> some VPN clients this can cause problems. >> >> Good luck! >> >> /Roger >> >> >> >> Jerahmy Pocott skrev: >>> Sorry let me clarify.. >>> There are two issues, one is connecting to any external VPN, with no >>> filter I >>> can establish a connection to PPTP VPN, but the 'Sonic Wall Global >>> VPN Client' >>> still fails to connect even with no filter rules. >>> The redirect for the CVS server has an ipf rule to allow traffic on >>> that port, but >>> users are getting connection refused messages. >>> I will include my ipf rules, I clearly need some sort of rule to >>> allow inbound for >>> the VPN to work, though I think the ipnat is breaking the Sonic Wall >>> client. Which >>> is strange because everything worked fine with ipfw/natd. >>> Here are my ipf rules: >>> # Allow all in/out on internel interface >>> pass in quick on fxp0 all >>> pass out quick on fxp0 all >>> # Allow all in/out on loopback interface >>> pass in quick on lo0 all >>> pass out quick on lo0 all >>> # Allow all out-going on public interface and keep state >>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state >>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto udp from any to any keep state >>> pass out quick on fxp1 proto icmp from any to any keep state >>> # Block all inbound traffic from non-routable or reserved address spaces >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 192.168.0.0/16 to any #RFC 1918 >>> private IP >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 172.16.0.0/12 to any #RFC 1918 >>> private IP >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 10.0.0.0/8 to any #RFC 1918 >>> private IP >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 127.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 0.0.0.0/8 to any #loopback >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 169.254.0.0/16 to any #DHCP auto-config >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 192.0.2.0/24 to any #reserved for docs >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 204.152.64.0/23 to any #Sun cluster >>> interconnect >>> block in quick on fxp1 from 224.0.0.0/3 to any #Class D & E >>> multicast >>> # Block frags >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with frags >>> # Block short tcp packets >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp all with short >>> # block source routed packets >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with opt lsrr >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with opt ssrr >>> # Block anything with special options >>> block in quick on fxp1 all with ipopts >>> # Block public pings >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto icmp all icmp-type 8 >>> # Block ident >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any port = 113 >>> # Block all Netbios service. 137=name, 138=datagram, 139=session >>> # Block MS/Windows hosts2 name server requests 81 >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 137 >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 138 >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 139 >>> block in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 81 >>> # Allow CVS access >>> pass in quick on fxp1 proto tcp/udp from any to any port = 2401 >>> # Logged Blocking Rules # >>> # Block nmap OS fingerprint attempts >>> block in log first quick on fxp1 proto tcp from any to any flags FUP >>> # Block all other in coming traffic >>> block in log first quick on fxp1 all >>> Thanks for the help! >>> J. >>> On 25/11/2007, at 12:50 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: >>>> Hello Jerahmy, >>>> >>>> Assuming you want to connect from the outside to your VPN. >>>> >>>> Have you made sure that port 2401 is open for inbound traffic in >>>> your ipf.rules? >>>> >>>> You might also want to do 'ipnat -C -f '. Man >>>> ipnat ;^) >>>> >>>> Greeting from Sweden >>>> /Roger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jerahmy Pocott skrev: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I recently decided to give ipf and ipnat a try, previously I had >>>>> always been using >>>>> ipfw and natd. Since switching over I can no longer establish a VPN >>>>> tunnel from >>>>> any system behind the gateway. >>>>> I did 'ipf -F a' to flush all rules but I was still unable to >>>>> connect so I think it's a problem >>>>> with ipnat? Also my redirect from ipnat doesn't seem to work either. >>>>> These are the only ipnat rules I have: >>>>> (fxp1 is the external interface) >>>>> # ipnat built in ftp proxy rules >>>>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >>>>> map fxp1 0.0.0.0/0 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp >>>>> # CVS Server on Fileserv >>>>> rdr fxp1 0/32 port 2401 -> 10.0.0.2 port 2401 tcp/udp >>>>> # nat all out going traffic on fxp1 from internal lan >>>>> map fxp1 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0/32 >>>>> I can post my firewall rules too if that would help, however with >>>>> NO rules set it >>>>> still didn't work so I don't think that would help.. (I'm using the >>>>> klm which is default >>>>> to accept?) >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> J. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hello Jerahmy, (sorry for top-posting, btw). Gre is protocol 47. In your firewall rules you only allow/block protocols tcp/udp/icmp. If you want to use PPTP you will need to allow both the port and the protocol for it. Did you find out what ports and what protocols the VPN client needs? In my earlier post I guessed that you would have to enable the IPSEC proxy and allow protocol 50 and port 500. I gave an example on how to enable the IPSEC proxy in ipnat.conf, ie: map WAN 10.0.0.0/24 -> 0.0.0.0/32 proxy port 500 ipsec/udp You could also try to do like this (early in the ipf.conf file), depending on if you trust the vpn server or not: pass out quick on WAN proto tcp/udp from to pass in quick on WAN from to In your original question you mentioned having problems with CVS. From the looks of it, you redirect CVS to 10.0.0.2, meaning that all users on that machine can use CVS. If you mean that users are on other machines, ie, not on 10.0.0.2 they won't be able to use CVS. The solution to this would be to remove your rdr to 10.0.0.2. My own rules for stateful filtering looks like this, I am only allowing ports above 1023 for stateful: # [ Enable stateful connections LAN->WAN for all ports > 1023 tcp/udp ] pass out quick on WAN proto tcp from any to any port > 1023 flags S keep state keep frags pass out quick on WAN proto udp from any to any port > 1023 keep state keep frags BTW, to make changes to ipf/ipnat I use the following commands: ipf -Fa -f ipnat -C -f Good luck! /Roger From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 14:04:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A5616A419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA67613C46B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAPE0Spu065440; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:00:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAPE0S1d065439; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:00:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:00:28 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Caio Figueiredo Abecia Message-ID: <20071125140028.GA65404@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20071124074812.EE36.GERARD@seibercom.net> <0dd601c82f08$7cdcd430$010210ac@pcaio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0dd601c82f08$7cdcd430$010210ac@pcaio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partition to be shared over OSes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:04:55 -0000 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 12:11:25AM -0200, Caio Figueiredo Abecia wrote: > Hi > I have some operation systems installed on a hd in some partitions. > I'd like to know if could I have a partition FAT32 in my hd and let my > linux/bsd/windows read/write any file there. Yes. Anyway, FreeBSD and MS-Win can read/write Fat32. I presume Lunix can too. In FreeBSD, you just need to mount as an MSDOS type file system. By the way, in FreeBSD, the term is "slice" for what MS calls a Primary Partion. ////jerry > > To that purpose (share a partition to windows/linux/bsd) what's the best > solution? > > My partition to be NTFS and install on each SO (-win) ntfs-3g ? > > Thank you in advance > > Caio F. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 15:37:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1FB16A469 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937D413C448 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c220-239-172-188.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.172.188]) by mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPFb11q020875; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:37:02 +1100 In-Reply-To: <47498012.9000201@passagen.se> References: <7BB1A732-4F07-499E-A183-22776FEEEE90@optusnet.com.au> <47482C2C.6010700@passagen.se> <894E3C92-2C45-4FC2-8C56-D4B303F0349F@optusnet.com.au> <4748A115.1010002@passagen.se> <57A2907C-0660-458C-B254-3C893B4532CB@optusnet.com.au> <47498012.9000201@passagen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jerahmy Pocott Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:37:00 +1100 To: Roger Olofsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:37:05 -0000 On 26/11/2007, at 1:00 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: > Hello Jerahmy, (sorry for top-posting, btw). > > Gre is protocol 47. In your firewall rules you only allow/block > protocols tcp/udp/icmp. If you want to use PPTP you will need to > allow both the port and the protocol for it. I put: pass out quick on fxp1 proto gre from any to any keep state This allowed the PPTP connection to establish, how ever trying to use apps over that connection resulted in: fxp1 (block all rule) b x.x.x.x -> 10.0.0.3 PR gre len 20 (53) (frag 57516:33@552) IN bad NAT By placing to rule: pass in quick on fxp1 proto gre from any to any and allowing frags everything started working properly, but allowing all gre traffic in doesn't seem like a good idea.. Is there any way to make this work without putting static ip address rules or allowing all traffic? > In your original question you mentioned having problems with CVS. > From the looks of it, you redirect CVS to 10.0.0.2, meaning that > all users on that machine can use CVS. The redirect rule is supposed to redirect connections to CVS on the external interface to 10.0.0.2 on the internal lan, where the CVS server is actually running. Cheers, J. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 17:10:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29E516A41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.net) Received: from ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B7B13C442 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.net) Received: from tntpro.com (cpe-204-210-86-53.maine.res.rr.com [204.210.86.53]) by ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAPHA3Ph026714; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from outkast (outkast.tntpro.com [192.168.0.10]) by tntpro.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAPH9ABC089083; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:09:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.net) From: "Tony" To: "'Ted Mittelstaedt'" , "'Murray Taylor'" , Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:10:09 -0500 Message-ID: <006801c82f86$093d13e0$f300a8c0@outkast> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Subject: RE: Squid with a Net nanny type setup.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:10:18 -0000 Thanks for the advice, I've noticed dansguardian and looked into it a little bit, I've also blocked some words which works but doesn't work because it kills some legitimate pages. I've also tossed around the idea with my Fianc=E9 about locking them = down to certain websites, but that is problematic with doing some school work (kids are 9 and 11) I think what bothers me most is them stumbling across something. Say they are curious what the word milf means and they search for it... that would be an eye opener! So right now I have a list of words that are blocked from URLS and a large number of sites blacklisted gathered from other peoples lists scavenged from google. Thanks for the replies, Tony PS squid is a very cool thing, and I can use MRTG to gather data and display it, but it does seem to have some performance hit with surfing, I moved it from my dually Pentium Pro 200 to my Dual p3 1Ghz and that made a difference, now I just need some speedy Sata disks and a good Sata controller. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm@toybox.placo.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:40 AM To: Murray Taylor; Tony; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Squid with a Net nanny type setup.... Or much better yet, do it the way I do it. Load Squid, setup the kids system to use it, then setup squid to only allow the kids to go to a list of sites. As my kids learn about interesting sites they want to go to, -I- visit those sites, and if I decide they are OK, I put them in the approved list. Stuff like dansguardian is, in my opinion, for lazy parents who want to hand off their parental responsibilities to other people. The other thing is that by the time the kid is 14-15 they should be mature enough to make their own choices and deal with what they find. At that time, if your still having to run filtering software, you better turn off Internet access completely and schedule your kid in with some sessions with a psychologist, as seriously, he's got a problem. Ted > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Murray Taylor > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 4:59 PM > To: Tony; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Squid with a Net nanny type setup.... > > > look at dansguardian its in the ports and is excellent for > kid-management > > mjt > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Tony > > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2007 4:34 AM > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Squid with a Net nanny type setup.... > > > > Is there a big list if inappropriate websites somewhere that > > I can build > > into squid to keep my kids out of Adult websites? > > > > If not squid is there a better Proxy to use on my FreeBSD firewall for > > that purpose? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tony > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive > use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential > and/or privileged material. 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Great job and keep up the good work! Peter --=20 http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 17:38:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316F816A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmehler26@woh.rr.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D246C13C455 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:38:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmehler26@woh.rr.com) Received: from satellite (cpe-65-31-42-110.woh.res.rr.com [65.31.42.110]) by ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id lAPHcPaF028933 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:38:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> From: "Dave" To: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:38:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dave List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:38:30 -0000 Hello, How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any outstanding issues? Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 17:46:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFFA16A420 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: from av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B382413C469 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:46:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 269CB38AE5; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:45:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB3338A69; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:45:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90-230-142-213-no41.tbcn.telia.com [90.230.142.213]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CEA37E45; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:45:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4749B54C.8000703@passagen.se> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:47:56 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerahmy Pocott References: <7BB1A732-4F07-499E-A183-22776FEEEE90@optusnet.com.au> <47482C2C.6010700@passagen.se> <894E3C92-2C45-4FC2-8C56-D4B303F0349F@optusnet.com.au> <4748A115.1010002@passagen.se> <57A2907C-0660-458C-B254-3C893B4532CB@optusnet.com.au> <47498012.9000201@passagen.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:46:01 -0000 Jerahmy Pocott skrev: > > On 26/11/2007, at 1:00 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: > >> Hello Jerahmy, (sorry for top-posting, btw). >> >> Gre is protocol 47. In your firewall rules you only allow/block >> protocols tcp/udp/icmp. If you want to use PPTP you will need to allow >> both the port and the protocol for it. > > I put: > > pass out quick on fxp1 proto gre from any to any keep state > > This allowed the PPTP connection to establish, how ever trying to use apps > over that connection resulted in: > > fxp1 (block all rule) b x.x.x.x -> 10.0.0.3 PR gre len 20 (53) (frag > 57516:33@552) IN bad NAT > > By placing to rule: > > pass in quick on fxp1 proto gre from any to any > > and allowing frags everything started working properly, but allowing all > gre traffic in doesn't seem > like a good idea.. Is there any way to make this work without putting > static ip address rules or allowing > all traffic? > > >> In your original question you mentioned having problems with CVS. From >> the looks of it, you redirect CVS to 10.0.0.2, meaning that all users >> on that machine can use CVS. > > The redirect rule is supposed to redirect connections to CVS on the > external interface to > 10.0.0.2 on the internal lan, where the CVS server is actually running. > > Cheers, > J. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hello Jerahmy, Some progress it seems? Why not set it to allow gre from VPN server only? Ie pass in quick on fxp1 proto gre from to any? The way you ask your question, 'make it work without static ip or allowing all traffic', isn't that contradictory? As for the frag part, I'd say that if gre needs frag, then you will have to enable it. About the CVS, I seem to have misunderstood your question. I assumed 10.0.0.2 wanted to recieve CVS inbound and not serve it outbound, or am I mistaking again? /Roger From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 18:43:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C6B16A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hg@queue.to) Received: from pickle.queue.to (pickle.queue.to [71.180.69.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D1A13C4D3 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hg@queue.to) Received: (qmail 24605 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 13:43:30 -0500 Received: from cally.queue.to (172.16.0.6) by pickle.queue.to with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2007 13:43:30 -0500 Message-ID: <4749C252.8050303@queue.to> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:43:30 -0500 From: Howard Goldstein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tino Engel References: <4748DB56.3010206@queue.to> <47497CDB.8050802@web.de> In-Reply-To: <47497CDB.8050802@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scoll lock - can't unlock in text login after xorg session X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:43:31 -0000 Tino Engel wrote: > Howard Goldstein schrieb: >> Just noticed this, after scroll locking for page up/page down in a text >> login: I cannot unlock anymore. Does anyone else see this? >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > I experienced a similar problem when not having set a login password. > Setting it helped. > It happens in single user mode too. It's new behavior in 7.0 Beta 3 as compared to 6.2. Might be useful to know if you can reproduce it, just go to a local tty perhaps after a restart and see if your scroll lock toggles. Mine stays on and nothing but console messages makes it through (if on the primary tty) but fortunately it honors commands typed in the blind From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 18:59:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBF316A41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:59:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B7313C46E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:59:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c220-239-172-188.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.172.188]) by mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPIxGqu025432; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:59:16 +1100 In-Reply-To: <4749B54C.8000703@passagen.se> References: <7BB1A732-4F07-499E-A183-22776FEEEE90@optusnet.com.au> <47482C2C.6010700@passagen.se> <894E3C92-2C45-4FC2-8C56-D4B303F0349F@optusnet.com.au> <4748A115.1010002@passagen.se> <57A2907C-0660-458C-B254-3C893B4532CB@optusnet.com.au> <47498012.9000201@passagen.se> <4749B54C.8000703@passagen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jerahmy Pocott Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:59:15 +1100 To: Roger Olofsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:59:19 -0000 On 26/11/2007, at 4:47 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: > Hello Jerahmy, > > Some progress it seems? Why not set it to allow gre from VPN server > only? Ie pass in quick on fxp1 proto gre from to any? > > The way you ask your question, 'make it work without static ip or > allowing all traffic', isn't that contradictory? > > As for the frag part, I'd say that if gre needs frag, then you will > have to enable it. > > About the CVS, I seem to have misunderstood your question. I > assumed 10.0.0.2 wanted to recieve CVS inbound and not serve it > outbound, or am I mistaking again? > > /Roger Yes, that is what I meant by 'static ip' I could allow all gre from the specific ip address but I would prefer that gre traffic be allowed from a host only when an existing connection has been opened to it.. 10.0.0.2 is a CVS server. It seems to me that natd works better with ipsec From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 19:09:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA01816A419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caioabecia@yahoo.com.br) Received: from smtp109.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BE5813C442 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caioabecia@yahoo.com.br) Received: (qmail 91418 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 19:09:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.br; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=FVtonQDpYy30NHEqnXfQVA8GPPvXxDvlZnmJ1sWMUkRuiflfZQYHgwkGx0qZCIPnoJscp/qROhaFAU6unLzC+AHWQ3s0jh5HkZyH4LEN5x7kv+3NMtz3GSqsczr/lSYB5/re6apy2xz9GD1wkOlF/7+J0l5XTwYw6q9yRpXlPqs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO pcaio) (caioabecia@189.18.222.186 with login) by smtp109.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 19:09:36 -0000 Message-ID: <007401c82f96$b7c80cc0$010210ac@pcaio> From: "Caio Figueiredo Abecia" To: "Jerry McAllister" References: <20071124074812.EE36.GERARD@seibercom.net><0dd601c82f08$7cdcd430$010210ac@pcaio> <20071125140028.GA65404@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:09:32 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071125-0, 25/11/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partition to be shared over OSes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:09:38 -0000 Hey, Thanks guys for the quickly replys ! I was thinking that creating a FAT partition would be less painfull than creating a NTFS partition and trying to get NTFS-3G working on Linux/BSD. But I found some size limitation on FAT32 partition, then I tryed to use NTFS-3G and it worked nice. I'm using now : #: ntfs-3g /dev/ads0 mnt/win And it works like a charm with read/write permission. It's for personal use and not on a production server so it won't be too risky. Thanks again for the support guys ! []'s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry McAllister" To: "Caio Figueiredo Abecia" Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Partition to be shared over OSes > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 12:11:25AM -0200, Caio Figueiredo Abecia wrote: > >> Hi >> I have some operation systems installed on a hd in some partitions. >> I'd like to know if could I have a partition FAT32 in my hd and let my >> linux/bsd/windows read/write any file there. > > Yes. Anyway, FreeBSD and MS-Win can read/write Fat32. I presume Lunix > can > too. In FreeBSD, you just need to mount as an MSDOS type file system. > > By the way, in FreeBSD, the term is "slice" for what MS calls > a Primary Partion. > > ////jerry > >> >> To that purpose (share a partition to windows/linux/bsd) what's the best >> solution? >> >> My partition to be NTFS and install on each SO (-win) ntfs-3g ? >> >> Thank you in advance >> >> Caio F. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 19:10:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74AC16A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD9913C46A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IwMpV-0001AF-9D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:07:45 +0000 Received: from 78-0-64-194.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.0.64.194]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:07:45 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-0-64-194.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:07:45 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:03:57 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig753F3D23041865D1C5B24087" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-0-64-194.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) In-Reply-To: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Sender: news Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:10:14 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig753F3D23041865D1C5B24087 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave wrote: > Hello, > How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any > outstanding issues? Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as well start using it now. It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly test it for your own workload before using it in production. --------------enig753F3D23041865D1C5B24087 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHScceldnAQVacBcgRAknUAKDm7NF6mL3FiGuhyjFAS/zfQVYwsQCg9bQ4 fHnOFT7EwLoKd4jdaKwGEa0= =7F7w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig753F3D23041865D1C5B24087-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 19:18:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3845B16A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:18:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp119.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp119.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A29F13C469 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: (qmail 97026 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 19:18:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=mTo1dR8oo/fSFyVJz4+/AruzUExOmVqavwiebZ8Xwz5VT4lVN4OzzJR5UVUUyf5RFujUZlVHP3mn3DO62kP3o4tGeFppo8imNslSxmvZsuWsxT1pEAWNzw3rwmtIzkcoNOSkqHGm3et9Mnb6YUcLFxdE54BBl8Jcwt2UbJdeIYk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.7.236.228?) (jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp119.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 19:18:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HNSB7VMVM1mqjHyzhMa9RvthHcxVI_QzLAVjVv2nU.2I2l_.645rzV7SoNn5N_4pz5zt461nZA-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6c21f52f0a910238c10964614d1f1102@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: User Questions From: jekillen Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:19:27 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Subject: named problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:18:34 -0000 Hello; I am having some named problems: The daemon will not start and run on system startup. There is plenty of info on problems when named is running, but not when it will not start. I did get it to start after boot with #named (su to root without - option) It started and ran as demonstrated with ps -aux. But the listing was just user (me as mortal user) and named as process (not as a path to an executable, as is normal for other processes). The console messages at start up gives me configuration file not found errors. The files are there. /etc/namedb/named.conf, rndc.key /etc/namedb is a link to /var/named/etc/namedb where the config files are. It is set up to be a slave server for four domains. How can I go about debugging this situation? My suspicions are ownership and permissions are wrong, but how, and how to fix; ?? Thanks in advance Jeff k From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 19:22:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A30116A420 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:22:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1635313C442 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:22:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raggen@passagen.se) Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 317D138297; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:22:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FE737F1C; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:22:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90-230-142-213-no41.tbcn.telia.com [90.230.142.213]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B362E37E47; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:22:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4749CC04.40306@passagen.se> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:24:52 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerahmy Pocott References: <7BB1A732-4F07-499E-A183-22776FEEEE90@optusnet.com.au> <47482C2C.6010700@passagen.se> <894E3C92-2C45-4FC2-8C56-D4B303F0349F@optusnet.com.au> <4748A115.1010002@passagen.se> <57A2907C-0660-458C-B254-3C893B4532CB@optusnet.com.au> <47498012.9000201@passagen.se> <4749B54C.8000703@passagen.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:22:57 -0000 Jerahmy Pocott skrev: > > On 26/11/2007, at 4:47 AM, Roger Olofsson wrote: >> Hello Jerahmy, >> >> Some progress it seems? Why not set it to allow gre from VPN server >> only? Ie pass in quick on fxp1 proto gre from to any? >> >> The way you ask your question, 'make it work without static ip or >> allowing all traffic', isn't that contradictory? >> >> As for the frag part, I'd say that if gre needs frag, then you will >> have to enable it. >> >> About the CVS, I seem to have misunderstood your question. I assumed >> 10.0.0.2 wanted to recieve CVS inbound and not serve it outbound, or >> am I mistaking again? >> >> /Roger > > Yes, that is what I meant by 'static ip' I could allow all gre from the > specific ip address > but I would prefer that gre traffic be allowed from a host only when an > existing connection > has been opened to it.. > > 10.0.0.2 is a CVS server. > > It seems to me that natd works better with ipsec > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hello again Jerahmy, It would seem that there is a PPTP proxy in ipf that you might want to try as well. The syntax would be: map fxp1 10.0.0.0/0 -> 0/32 proxy port 1723 pptp/tcp Good luck! /Roger From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 19:53:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EF016A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970A413C455 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (unknown [24.175.90.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C8365505 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:53:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:53:08 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: User Questions Message-ID: <81137B0FC6F246FA30ECC1DD@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: short Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:53:20 -0000 --On November 23, 2007 9:04:01 PM -0800 jekillen wrote: > Hello: > Is this the way to start mysqld in rc.conf? > mysqld_enable="YES" > Most ports that have daemons will have startup scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. Most of those scripts will include comments about what switches are required in /etc/rc.conf to start the daemon. Look there first for instructions. If you look at the mysqld startup script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d, you will notice that it says use msyqld_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 20:45:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B988616A468 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shantanoo@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A7213C4E3 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shantanoo@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1042284pyb for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:45:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=yN9+Q849PvNGU2MKZ4pvY2KEu57UpRRDZ6pARIMoleQ=; b=tTIsURzC22yUcEfCWoA4Ibm53H7296cqZa1Y+8t3I9MrNqIw5RZzPkacb8zIanrhnv+8xdf3XtiePDYeIJ8x2thv9PuNbPjqhkPl2jfO1okQWxg0pa9CmE7eX0oSUOUAjCw4ssNft1Ai2r3fllaHaGQHT4rZip4wpz7bDF+S+Ak= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=U2I0HYCM1WhfMp+WPv0n2rJqvq//vbPvISzeMJ8h08XGkk5V/F4/KjE2PsnJNcwEj0p/RrAUeCPXNm0lGZ1ADmroX7UZCUXSfyAJr2ikyab3DgLvuMC4TQE7n1ZwbLnoGe7GQmox3NMMr+mvWeXNQ84PaDeil4Fd5wXqC6ddyZo= Received: by 10.35.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr2328946pyj.1196021940931; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.100? ( [121.247.78.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u2sm2468503pyb.2007.11.25.12.18.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:18:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <81137B0FC6F246FA30ECC1DD@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> References: <81137B0FC6F246FA30ECC1DD@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7E797148-F4F1-4BE8-B086-6E54B53BD2C6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Shantanoo Mahajan Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:48:49 +0530 To: Paul Schmehl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: short Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:45:09 -0000 On 26-Nov-07, at 1:23 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On November 23, 2007 9:04:01 PM -0800 jekillen > wrote: > >> Hello: >> Is this the way to start mysqld in rc.conf? >> mysqld_enable="YES" >> > Most ports that have daemons will have startup scripts in /usr/ > local/etc/rc.d/. Most of those scripts will include comments about > what switches are required in /etc/rc.conf to start the daemon. > Look there first for instructions. > > If you look at the mysqld startup script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d, > you will notice that it says use msyqld_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf. I do not have freebsd machine around to verify, but iirc, its 'mysql_enable' and not 'mysqld_enable'. regards, shantanoo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:43:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3114016A41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C753D13C447 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:43:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6D713A79F for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-141-157-246-57.ny325.east.verizon.net [141.157.246.57]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717241699C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:43:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:43:16 +0000 From: Bob Richards To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071125214316.7d29ca88@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <4749363A.9050102@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4741BD57.9070800@networktest.com> <20071125000136.415caa11@tania.servebbs.org> <4749363A.9050102@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: blythe Systems X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) X-Face: +\{75whsIB]=i--WqkV^U>!y`<~%(FUd, DQs, &e1yLt==9%It?7#?n>%Splqb, lDIEu%WsB7o+6k2n`6Q5Fl, vJei{$-.KlHPHu/.~VuE=C[}lQmL}>V1t\yTn2iTwCfM`% Face: 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 X-WebDesign: www.lithium-design.com X-Consulting: www.blythe-systems.com X-Terminate: George W Bush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: dealing with a failing drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:43:20 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:45:46 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: >... it's a rebadged Adaptec RAID controller using > the aac.... Wonderful; I can now look into and play with the RAID system without taking the OS off-line and going to the bios. Thanks! Bob -- _ /o\ // \\ The ASCII \\ // Ribbon Campaign \V/ Against HTML /A\ eMail! // \\ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:53:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1857A16A420 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A0A13C461 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EBF4C8888 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:46 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.804 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.804 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.920, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zQy6Ew8Rewaa for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (c-71-57-18-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net [71.57.18.206]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7194F4C8891 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:53:24 -0000 All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page. http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html ====================== >> Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive': >> * Hitler quotes. ====================== Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has nobody removed this garbage? Best Regards, Artur eBoundHost.com http://www.eboundhost.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 22:01:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C426D16A41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gelsemap@superhero.nl) Received: from superman.superhero.nl (superhero.nl [82.95.198.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EB913C467 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gelsemap@superhero.nl) Received: (qmail 98255 invoked by uid 80); 25 Nov 2007 21:34:38 -0000 Received: from robin.ad.superhero.nl ([10.202.77.103]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user gelsemap) by webmail.superhero.nl with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:34:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3710.10.202.77.103.1196026478.squirrel@webmail.superhero.nl> In-Reply-To: <7E797148-F4F1-4BE8-B086-6E54B53BD2C6@gmail.com> References: <81137B0FC6F246FA30ECC1DD@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> <7E797148-F4F1-4BE8-B086-6E54B53BD2C6@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:34:38 +0100 (CET) From: "Gelsema, P \(Patrick\)" To: "Shantanoo Mahajan" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Paul Schmehl , User Questions Subject: Re: short Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:01:34 -0000 On Sun, November 25, 2007 21:18, Shantanoo Mahajan wrote: > > On 26-Nov-07, at 1:23 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > >> --On November 23, 2007 9:04:01 PM -0800 jekillen >> wrote: >> >>> Hello: >>> Is this the way to start mysqld in rc.conf? >>> mysqld_enable="YES" head /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server # # Add the following line to /etc/rc.conf to enable mysql: # mysql_enable (bool): Set to "NO" by default. # Set it to "YES" to enable MySQL. # mysql_limits (bool): Set to "NO" by default. # Set it to yes to run `limits -e -U mysql` # just before mysql starts. # mysql_dbdir (str): Default to "/var/db/mysql" # Base database directory. # mysql_args (str): Custom additional arguments to be passed # to mysqld_safe (default empty). Cheers Patrick >>> >> Most ports that have daemons will have startup scripts in /usr/ >> local/etc/rc.d/. Most of those scripts will include comments about >> what switches are required in /etc/rc.conf to start the daemon. >> Look there first for instructions. >> >> If you look at the mysqld startup script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d, >> you will notice that it says use msyqld_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf. > > I do not have freebsd machine around to verify, but iirc, its > 'mysql_enable' > and not 'mysqld_enable'. > > regards, > shantanoo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 22:11:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8549316A41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.net) Received: from ms-smtp-05.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDAC13C45A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.net) Received: from tntpro.com (cpe-204-210-86-53.maine.res.rr.com [204.210.86.53]) by ms-smtp-05.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAPMBnk1026413 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from outkast (outkast.tntpro.com [192.168.0.10]) by tntpro.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAPMBnPl090553 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:11:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.net) From: "Tony" To: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:11:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c82fb0$2c8bad00$f300a8c0@outkast> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: RE: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:11:53 -0000 I see that as an example of something that might be offensive on the surface but we might not want to outlaw just as a matter of course. For instance if someone submitted this for the fortune rotation: Germany will either be a world power or will not be at all. Adolf Hitler Or He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future. Adolf Hitler Or How fortunate for leaders that men do not think. Adolf Hitler I might consider the man to be a maniac but he did utter some truths, Should we automatically disqualify them? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of eBoundHost: Artur Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:24 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: who wrote this All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page. http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html ====================== >> Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive': >> * Hitler quotes. ====================== Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has nobody removed this garbage? Best Regards, Artur eBoundHost.com http://www.eboundhost.com _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 22:16:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190AB16A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EAA13C459 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C2C28417; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:58:58 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.5.2 (20070627) at rmm.fr Received: from newmail.rmm.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (newmail.rmm.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ug9ZbmJiSBCN; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:58:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.201] (me.todoo.biz [82.66.93.242]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC2C28415; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:58:57 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: From: bsd To: Liste FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <6c21f52f0a910238c10964614d1f1102@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:58:52 +0100 References: <6c21f52f0a910238c10964614d1f1102@prodigy.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: jekillen Subject: Re: named problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:16:11 -0000 Bind works perfectly out of the box on most FBSD recent versions. You should not move things out of the path they have been setup to. Specially on FBSD /etc is reserved for system files. By default bind is installed in /var/named and should be kept there. If I was you I would : 1. install the latest bind version from the port // 2. make sure you don't touch things unless absolutely necessary. 3. copy paste of modify the /var/named/etc/namedb/named.conf so that =20 It corresponds to your needs. 4. make sure the /etc/rc.conf has the correct "named" values. 5. start it with the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ script for named // Been runing this one with 1000 zones as both masters and slave never =20 had any problem. If you have more issue could give you a help on debuging bind. My advice : STICK TO THE FBSD RULES AND PATH unless you perfectly know =20= what you are doing. Le 25 nov. 07 =E0 20:19, jekillen a =E9crit : > Hello; > I am having some named problems: > The daemon will not start and run on system startup. > There is plenty of info on problems when named > is running, but not when it will not start. > I did get it to start after boot with > #named (su to root without - option) > It started and ran as demonstrated > with ps -aux. But the listing was > just user (me as mortal user) and > named as process (not as a path > to an executable, as is normal > for other processes). > The console messages at start up > gives me configuration file not found > errors. The files are there. > /etc/namedb/named.conf, rndc.key > /etc/namedb is a link to /var/named/etc/namedb where the config > files are. It is set up to be a slave server > for four domains. > How can I go about debugging this > situation? > My suspicions are ownership and permissions > are wrong, but how, and how to fix; ?? > Thanks in advance > Jeff k =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD bsd @at@ todoo.biz =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF P "Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing =20 this e-mail" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 22:20:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920B416A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:20:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D30713C448 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:20:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1089433pyb for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:20:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jm/225DgBwbMUlCtW/4czR6DjnmvICo1HUMKgDWO5yo=; b=ui/euEpXqJIxPG4VDZOEvFU4n6ynunQBZ8Y68CP+lvZv6pD6tk14bIw1VG5gp//QIDxZ/mec+Kd4wM89E3F85MPyMqARIFlKPVZEreZy75Uq6yr+gB7PAJCjzo1wHWGFPqLbMOHsz6x6qlq0V9h8NSKDhMZMqeSIHAer3giROZ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vyqpRx1akluVRdvqEm1XbgprZyZ/SUf319Owwy68m8ABZ5jO459zDBSW6bgwNt2Z9TENj58teUgtG+RNgJOtsjfTfnlW/b7sI5CKyYvSz7FEIOrEQjhlkocXGlykBosGyX4kaFhOyDTQ35f8Z4YA6PUud5VQxSdfLVwg6HuqEFs= Received: by 10.65.81.10 with SMTP id i10mr4263892qbl.1196029223386; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f16sm674610qba.2007.11.25.14.20.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:20:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4749F526.1000003@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:20:22 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony References: <000501c82fb0$2c8bad00$f300a8c0@outkast> In-Reply-To: <000501c82fb0$2c8bad00$f300a8c0@outkast> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:20:24 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I might consider the man to be a maniac but he did utter some truths, > Should we automatically disqualify them? Even the devil is right sometimes does that mean we should follow him? Let's see: 1 authbaun = 6 million jews 1 trip to the moon = 50 million russians 1 vw bug = 20 million brits and americans 1 war = priceless -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSfUlJ9+1V27SttsRAkMJAJ9XsKT7BcgiLjXgdjg24So6P0S5qACgoHWG zq116oPgBb72nbumjnCpJiY= =dGDp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 22:44:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3523316A420 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacobsm@gate.net) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC8713C455 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:44:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacobsm@gate.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=gate.net; b=FYGTv573yAfR09uhSMgSYwXsWHpnAVSn7caK5CiUkID0cJArey4b0tKUyi585u6u; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.22.93.187] (helo=[192.168.102.11]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IwPuv-0005Q4-Lv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:25:33 -0500 Message-ID: <4749F627.2060406@gate.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:24:39 -0500 From: Mark Jacobs User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 191835a16b2172361d074dabd4b36e65c2073fe3ae295b749e2479c0154e12e1667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.93.187 Subject: Boot failure - Recent Kernel(s) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:44:54 -0000 I am running FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE with my last successful kernel build of 11/1/07. I successfully have built two kernels, one a couple of weeks ago and one just today but when I attempt to boot them the kernel isn't able to identify my boot partition. I query the devices that the kernel sees are an ad14 device(Which doesn't exist) and acd0. My boot device is ad10s1 which the November 1st kernel finds without a problem. Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad10s1a 507630 93898 373122 20% / I am running a generic SMP kernel. Any ideas on what the problem is? Mark Jacobs From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 22:58:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D5516A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail.networktest.com (mail.networktest.com [207.181.8.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A9F13C458 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: by mail.networktest.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id EA2CE78C51; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:12 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mail.networktest.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from mose.local (cpe-75-82-195-55.socal.res.rr.com [75.82.195.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBD478C4D; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4749FDFD.8010002@networktest.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:05 -0800 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dealing with a failing drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:58:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/24/07 12:39 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > The output of idacontrol show will show if one of the > hard disks in the SmartArray has failed. Your choice with > a hardware array is to either run it with redundancy or not. > (ie: raid5 or mirroring or striping) You have to choose > which is more important for you. > > IMHO it is very foolish to stripe an array that you have > critical data on and assume that you can predict a failure > of a disk using smart or other monitoring, and replace it > in advance of a failure. If your concern is redundancy, then > add more disks to the array and create a raid 5 or a mirror. > Then ignore all the predictive junk and let the array card > concern itself with detecting if a drive has failed. Run > idacontrol periodically out of a script that checks for a > failure of a disk and e-mails you if there is one. Thanks, this is good advice, but it doesn't answer the specific questions I had: 1. How to diagnose the health of a *physical* disk that's part of a RAID array (RAID1, in this case) in an old Compaq Proliant server? 2. Is it normal for idacontrol to generate soft write errors? Backstory here is that Proliant server #1 generated beaucoup hard and soft read and write errors and eventually locked up. I thought it was one of the disks but replacing one at a time didn't help. So I took both disks and put them in identical Proliant server #2. Ergo, I would conclude server #1's RAID controller flaked out. idacontrol is useful for telling the health of the logical disk. What it doesn't tell me (or maybe I just don't see it) is whether the physical disks are ok, and those "soft write errors" concern me. I had a failure situation, and need to figure out whether just the controller was bad or whether I need to replace at least one disk too. Thanks again! dn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHSf39yPxGVjntI4IRAp1yAJ4vMV9FkeaBsHRr/Z5WpCL27wJ3tACfS+pT 3UVlscnQUZhe8ulHksKDWsY= =Om7/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 23:47:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6A216A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55ED613C448 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup75.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.75]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lAPNkQRe009302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:46:42 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAPNkOVj003645; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:46:24 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lAPNkLoY003644; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:46:21 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:46:21 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Message-ID: <20071125234621.GB3362@kobe.laptop> References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.944, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.46, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:47:14 -0000 On 2007-11-25 15:23, "eBoundHost: Artur" wrote: > All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page. > http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html > ====================== >>> Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive': >>> * Hitler quotes. > ====================== > Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has nobody removed > this garbage? There have been long and vicious discussions about this particular issue, on several mailing lists. Please refer to the archives, because repeating the whole shebang is not really a productive use of everyone's time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 23:53:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4B616A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622D513C44B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F9E4C8895; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:53:45 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.787 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.787 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.903, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XANa+pFQGJqy; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:53:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (c-71-57-18-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net [71.57.18.206]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532BE4C8887; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:53:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:53:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:53:40 -0000 T, I don't know any soft way to say this. The man, Hitler, was the most evil person that our generation has ever witnessed. The things he did and what was done on his behalf are unspeakable and give him a special place in whatever hell you believe in. As a society, we should distance ourselves and shun any imagery that puts any kind of human side to this monster. Saying that he loved dogs and was an art afficionado is completely irrelevant if you know anything about his actions. There are far more worthy quotes that can be put into FreeBSD and I don't think its debateable. What really gets me is the fact that this is one of the examples put on the FreeBSD page. I'm all for freedom and libertarian ideals, but for petes' sake, have some compassion and understand where your liberty crosses over into the pain of someone else's family. Why didn't they put on that page along with "quotes about hitler", "jokes about cancer" and "funny rape stories." I don't want to outlaw anything, but have some good taste. Learn to moderate yourselves, this is what "freedom" is all based on, being good to others. I would appreciate if someone would help me find the person who can help to modify the text on this page. http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html I think it can be worded differently and get the point accross without giving any extra attention to this monster. Best Regards, Artur eBoundHost.com http://www.eboundhost.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: RE: who wrote this >I see that as an example of something that might be offensive on the > surface but we might not want to outlaw just as a matter of course. > > > For instance if someone submitted this for the fortune rotation: > xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Or > xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Or > xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > I might consider the man to be a maniac but he did utter some truths, > Should we automatically disqualify them? > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 23:59:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FA116A421 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:59:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277FA13C442 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:59:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24D34C8892; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:59:43 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.771 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.771 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.887, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8mlDKim9AQBg; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:59:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (c-71-57-18-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net [71.57.18.206]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343904C8887; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:59:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000701c82fbf$45d93160$6701a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071125234621.GB3362@kobe.laptop> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:59:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:59:39 -0000 yea that's a great answer. thanks for your insight. this is not some technical question that can be researched, this in fact tarnishes the image of the freebsd community, so it's not such an easy "go rtfm" type of deal. problem is that i just came accross it myself and obviously nothing has been done about it in the past. so i would like to ask of people, is there no better way to get the point accross? do you have to have this wording? is it set in stone and can't be changed? I insist strongly that we should rework this example, and if anyone insists strongly on not doing it, I would like to understand what motive can be possibly behind this other than something very deeply evil. Best Regards, Artur eBoundHost.com http://www.eboundhost.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giorgos Keramidas" To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: who wrote this > On 2007-11-25 15:23, "eBoundHost: Artur" wrote: >> All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page. >> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html >> ====================== >>>> Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive': >>>> * Hitler quotes. >> ====================== >> Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has nobody removed >> this garbage? > > There have been long and vicious discussions about this particular > issue, on several mailing lists. Please refer to the archives, because > repeating the whole shebang is not really a productive use of everyone's > time. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 00:03:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F5F16A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B45113C468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1141798pyb for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:03:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=XQlOaL8Kz9QH1JuHH6/VBNUL2x6OnqSI6WD7g05GZo8=; b=okjzRr5Tn2pyN5DJeVp8q97tNcmoqsrCKUHNZw43ISgFPRsxmcqFMN9/IB8wlEqnGT54ZWjTzQW36ZREwpXF2cc4yLfCG1rep4Rka5h7GTPXIUfVtOJYD4xZHW3LrWdoCJSegjn3sGiZSOVT36/DLEQaSr26ZZVTnFxQ0iRGNIQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=H27q+SMnUQqAMsqipR+56trU3q0UlUdYUKyE3AtJBQiAmSC5wp5kqTBxYRhlrLH2rLrLcH8ZsIOv/KHi3sdBoISc9PiPBHZ+zeU8VDJOtLjyksalOM1YAnIfIbuOBMGepOE6sm5tgqHZ/BghDBLKE6L8L8V9Ha6AXLReW3tRlK8= Received: by 10.65.93.19 with SMTP id v19mr4401980qbl.1196033877908; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.100? ( [65.30.212.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j7sm812566nzd.2007.11.25.15.37.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:37:56 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:37:46 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711251737.46428.lumiwa@gmail.com> Subject: K3b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:03:10 -0000 Hi! I am new with FreeBSD. I installed one day ago 7.0 beta3 and I try to learn and setup the system. When I start K3b (KDE) I got a message: "No CD/DVD writer found. K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you will not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use other K3b features like audio track extraction or audio transcoding or ISO9660 image creation." I tired as user and as root but resul is the same. BTW: under Linux I didn't have a problem Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 00:06:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9985216A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:06:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5005D13C447 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:06:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C021629416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (unknown [141.157.246.57]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1131699E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:06:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:06:22 +0000 From: Bob Richards To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126000622.50698bb0@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <4749363A.9050102@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4741BD57.9070800@networktest.com> <20071125000136.415caa11@tania.servebbs.org> <4749363A.9050102@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: blythe Systems X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) X-Face: +\{75whsIB]=i--WqkV^U>!y`<~%(FUd, DQs, &e1yLt==9%It?7#?n>%Splqb, lDIEu%WsB7o+6k2n`6Q5Fl, vJei{$-.KlHPHu/.~VuE=C[}lQmL}>V1t\yTn2iTwCfM`% Face: 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 X-WebDesign: www.lithium-design.com X-Consulting: www.blythe-systems.com X-Terminate: George W Bush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: dealing with a failing drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:06:25 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:45:46 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > sysutils/aaccli aaccli-1.0 Adaptec SCSI RAID administration > As I said in my previous post, this is EXACTLY what was wanted. Installation of aaccli was a snap. My only problem was the total lack of documentation; no man page, no info file.... Capturing the "help" screens within the CLI was useful, but pretty incomplete. I found an Adaptec doc, describing their cli-sata-scsi-iug program; http://download.adaptec.com/pdfs/installation_guides/cli-sata-scsi-iug.pdf This seems to be exactly what aaccli is. Since I usually do this sort of work outside of X, at the console, I converted the adaptec pdf file into a text file using pdftotext. The ridiculous copyright restrictions on this file prevents me from producing a man page, or an info file for redistribution as part of the port! So; If anyone wants either the pdf file, or the converted text file, I would be glad to email same. Just send an email to rrichard@blythe-systems.com and ask for either my /usr/local/share/cli/cli-sata-scsi-iug.pdf or for my /usr/local/share/cli/cli-sata-scsi-iug.txt. Bob -- _ /o\ // \\ The ASCII \\ // Ribbon Campaign \V/ Against HTML /A\ eMail! // \\ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 00:12:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33E716A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CF913C44B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (unknown [24.175.90.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D7865505 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:12:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:12:35 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3AF266D1C00C5A180CAD4592@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> In-Reply-To: <000701c82fbf$45d93160$6701a8c0@mobility> References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071125234621.GB3362@kobe.laptop> <000701c82fbf$45d93160$6701a8c0@mobility> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:12:36 -0000 --On November 25, 2007 5:59:53 PM -0600 "eBoundHost: Artur" wrote: > yea that's a great answer. thanks for your insight. this is not some > technical question that can be researched, this in fact tarnishes the > image of the freebsd community, so it's not such an easy "go rtfm" type > of deal. > > problem is that i just came accross it myself and obviously nothing has > been done about it in the past. so i would like to ask of people, is > there no better way to get the point accross? do you have to have this > wording? is it set in stone and can't be changed? I insist strongly > that we should rework this example, and if anyone insists strongly on > not doing it, I would like to understand what motive can be possibly > behind this other than something very deeply evil. > I'll take up the challenge. Hitler was evil. Quoting Hitler is not. When we seek to suppress information, no matter how troubling, we obscure the very lessons of history we need most to learn. If, because Hitler was evil, we do not allow discussion of him, how will future generations learn of his evil? As we argue this very point, there are people in the world insisting that the holocaust never happened, that Hitler did not commit the evil deeds that history has recorded he *did* commit. If we refuse to speak of him, those who insist he wasn't evil will win the argument by default. Surely that is not what you desire? Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 00:25:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FA116A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D36513C469 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IwRmf-00017l-1n for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:25:09 +0000 Received: from 128-193-247-224.resnet.oregonstate.edu ([128.193.247.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:25:09 +0000 Received: from Z_kline by 128-193-247-224.resnet.oregonstate.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:25:09 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Zachary Kline" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:24:32 -0800 Lines: 17 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 128-193-247-224.resnet.oregonstate.edu X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071125-0, 11/25/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: news Subject: Confusion about Ports and options framework X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:25:34 -0000 Hi, I've read through the sections of the handbook quite carefully, and haven't quite found what I'm looking for. To be specific, I've no plans to install X11 or anything like it on this machine yet. I may do so in the future merely to see how accessible Gnome and such are, but not now. I note that /usr/ports/editors/emacs has several environment variables which can be set, such as WITHOUT_X11. I can set these just fine, and don't get any X-related dependencies. However, if I were to use something like Portmanager, Portupgrade, etc, is there any way I can keep it from downloading these as well? On the subject of port managers, is manual port installation the prefered method of doing this anyway? Thanks in advance, Zack. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 00:26:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B1316A473 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:26:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E9713C4D9 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup75.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.75]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lAQ0PlT8011903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:25:57 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAQ0PiJK004050; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:25:45 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lAQ0PgAl004048; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:25:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:25:42 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Message-ID: <20071126002542.GA3696@kobe.laptop> References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071125234621.GB3362@kobe.laptop> <000701c82fbf$45d93160$6701a8c0@mobility> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000701c82fbf$45d93160$6701a8c0@mobility> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.944, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.46, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:26:11 -0000 On 2007-11-25 17:59, "eBoundHost: Artur" wrote: > yea that's a great answer. thanks for your insight. this is not some > technical question that can be researched, this in fact tarnishes the > image of the freebsd community, so it's not such an easy "go rtfm" > type of deal. The commit logs of the entire FreeBSD source tree are openly visible to everyone. A couple of minutes with Google Groups would be enough to locate this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/fa.freebsd.cvs-all/browse_thread/thread/ee66a0ebc1457b1f/7ea396d642a58806 This is the sort of "research" that I wanted to point you at. > problem is that i just came accross it myself and obviously nothing > has been done about it in the past. The fact that you didn't notice the old commit logs, does not mean that ``nothing has been done about this issue in the past''. Please stop spreading FUD about FreeBSD, because implying that we don't care as a team about these things suggests to readers of freebsd-questions things which are untrue. There are intriguing but nevertheless interesting observations in the thread mentioned above. Please take the time to let some of them sink in before you spread more FUD. > so i would like to ask of people, is there no better way to get the > point accross? do you have to have this wording? is it set in stone > and can't be changed? I insist strongly that we should rework this > example, and if anyone insists strongly on not doing it, I would like > to understand what motive can be possibly behind this other than > something very deeply evil. If you are not bothered by the fact that the fortune cookie database contains Hitler quotes, but you merely want to ammend the text of the web site, then you are more than welcome to post patches to the freebsd-www list. That's where most of the work on the website is discussed, and reviewed. - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 00:27:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979FB16A468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from speedtoys.racing@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FB413C44B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from speedtoys.racing@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so716881mue for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:27:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+mvA+orMNvMCH9yaAOqykc+1eIkm76EkLds/AnGdjGE=; b=s6bztZRc3zIbaizVUqyXlHBx2ejFIub2APvr4htOP68+g5SGQtSvtXlyZ6HI7cXyBA5VaT034Zya4EevLM1XpUiSrEw3JR7qonyAvey+KQh232yky8KYUAcLTaxCaO/EcS/YzRsudYQiKFYPufBONuj1BlVZFsJ0hNLw2AD3gSM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DP+WUPneStbkFsibbf0H7EqVO1ktxVfdzIK1Lwiuz4Lt9Erz0kaZbSjN91i73iEv9EmWKsdvzwlzqMcthT96nsGptrHxFq8ti51oLu2kXy0e25ZJc074SBbU+xa3F+NQctQtNv7G3HWrGACeNN/uRSwFSts47YyRotfHyVAjtK0= Received: by 10.82.146.14 with SMTP id t14mr5777838bud.1196036820451; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.186.11 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:27:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:27:00 -0800 From: "Jeff Mohler" To: "Paul Schmehl" In-Reply-To: <3AF266D1C00C5A180CAD4592@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071125234621.GB3362@kobe.laptop> <000701c82fbf$45d93160$6701a8c0@mobility> <3AF266D1C00C5A180CAD4592@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:27:02 -0000 I'll take up the challenge. Hitler was evil. Quoting Hitler is not. > When we seek to suppress information, no matter how troubling, we obscure > the very lessons of history we need most to learn. If, because Hitler was > evil, we do not allow discussion of him, how will future generations learn > of his evil? As we argue this very point, there are people in the world > insisting that the holocaust never happened, that Hitler did not commit > the evil deeds that history has recorded he *did* commit. If we refuse to > speak of him, those who insist he wasn't evil will win the argument by > default. > --- I believe that myself..evil people can still be brilliant, and can in retrospect, teach us a lot about ourselves as a human race. Were all animals, capable of horrible or fantastic things. What we do with that knowledge and power is the real problem. What genre of quoteable will we be debating next? MANY people worldwide hate/despise many things. If we begin here, where does it end? Will we be discussing a kernel level "hitler" filter next? C'mon, I believe that most reasonable people can separate the actions of someone from their words from a historically relevant point of view. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 00:58:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCF316A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: from mail.cepheid.org (aleph.cepheid.org [72.232.60.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DBF13C474 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: by mail.cepheid.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 47F499B4057; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:58:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:58:55 -0600 From: Erik Osterholm To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Message-ID: <20071126005855.GA74363@aleph.cepheid.org> Mail-Followup-To: Erik Osterholm , "eBoundHost: Artur" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:58:56 -0000 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:53:54PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > I would appreciate if someone would help me find the person who can > help to > modify the text on this page. > http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html > I think it can be worded differently and get the point accross > without > giving any extra attention to this monster. > > Best Regards, > > Artur Do I understand correctly that you are not concerned so much with the inclusion of quotes by Adolf Hitler, but you don't like the way the web page is presented? If that's the case, my argument for maintaining the current state of the webpage is that it's going to become a repeated issue. Without the notice that Hitler quotes are not automatically considered offensive, a lot of people will probably see a non-offensive Hitler quote and argue that it should be moved to the offensive file simply due to the attribution. Put another way, the quote "What luck for the rulers that men do not think." is not considered offensive. Merely adding the attribution, then, should not cause it to be moved to the "offensive" file. That said, people have argued in the past that it should be, simply because Hitler is in the text. Putting the notice on the webpage at http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html is a public expression that the speaker of the quote is not to be the basis for categorizing the quote as offensive. Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:11:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4316016A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1196470018.9b4872@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (3s1.com [209.161.205.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C4E13C455 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1196470018.9b4872@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 3s1.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAQ0l4ZL049118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:47:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from david+dated+1196470018.9b4872@skytracker.ca) Received: (from david@localhost) by 3s1.com (8.13.8/8.14.1/Submit) id lAQ0kxRX049033 for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:46:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from david+dated+1196470018.9b4872@skytracker.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: 3s1.com: david set sender to david+dated+1196470018.9b4872@skytracker.ca using -f Received: by 3s1.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:46:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:46:56 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126004654.GA39514@skytracker.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: David Banning X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on 3s1.com Cc: Subject: Linux problem? - realplay and acroread die X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:11:30 -0000 All of a sudden I have both linux-realplayer -and- acroread7 die. realplayer ends with a "Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped)" and acroread just dies without a message. I have done redone my ports using portsnap, and used portupgrade to reinstall both programs. I have also reinstalled linux_base using "portupgrade -f -R linux_base*" I expect that the problem is linux related as both programs appear to be linux programs. No solution as yet and I am at my wits end! - Wondering if anyone has a suggestion - I am using freebsd 6.2 Release From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:20:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2534B16A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:20:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B72113C45A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:20:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 13723 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 01:20:43 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 26 Nov 2007 01:20:42 -0000 Message-ID: <474A1F67.9060404@pacific.net.sg> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:20:39 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eBoundHost: Artur References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> In-Reply-To: <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:20:53 -0000 Hi, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > T, > > I don't know any soft way to say this. The man, Hitler, was the most > evil person that our generation has ever witnessed. The things he did this is why he has to be quoted so people see from where certain ideas originate. I live in a country where many things are - knowingly or unknowingly - copied from this guy. > What really gets me is the fact that this is one of the examples put on > the FreeBSD page. I'm all for freedom and libertarian ideals, but for You can promote freedom only if you are able to describe the opposite. > I don't want to outlaw anything, but have some good taste. Learn to > moderate yourselves, this is what "freedom" is all based on, being good > to others. > You must make people aware. If people are not aware - this was the most common excuse of Germans after the war - they will never ever support any actions against something. > I would appreciate if someone would help me find the person who can help > to modify the text on this page. I hope, you will not find this person. Just for your information. Parts of my family were active against Hitler until the collapse of the Third Reich. I think, that you are not able to understand the possible unawareness if you have not experienced it just after 1945. A very high percentage of Germans simply could not imagine or did not believe what was going on around them. Surpressing even quotes like them here, is the first step to make people feel as they live in a perfect world. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:26:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7D416A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5884D13C4F7 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:26:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.5) with SMTP id MAA17850; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:01 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:00 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Alaor Barroso de Carvalho Neto In-Reply-To: <2949641c0711240741i24ef2a1cj46c2ba0f5a33fd38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:26:21 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2007, Alaor Barroso de Carvalho Neto wrote: > 2007/11/24, Ian Smith : > > > > No I didn't mean that; use your own favourite packet filter, any of them > > can handle what you've described. Bill suggested pf - lots of people > > seem to like it a lot - and I use ipfw because I (mostly) know how to. > > > I always had linux servers, so I'm very familiar with iptables, I don't have > a favorite BSD firewall yet, so that's why I'm asking. I choose ipfilter > because I liked the tutorial in the FreeBSD handbook, but I don't know any > features of the others, I even don't know ipfilter yet. Yes, I suspect the handbook firewall sections were put together by an ipfilter fan, even the ipfw section contains some oddities indicating that, and the pf section so far lacks the basic and with-NAT firewall setups that might encourage more people unfamiliar with pf to try it. > Ok. Pasted output of 'ifconfig' and 'netstat -finet -nr' may help .. > > it's easier to parse familiar machine output than textual descriptions. > > > My BSD box don't have graphic interface and I must admit I'm suffering to > use it, so that's why I'm transcripting the configs, but I'm gonna change > that. You can mark and copy with the mouse in text terminals on non-X boxes, at a pinch. I then use (say) ee to save the paste, though of course it's a lot less tedious working from an xterm with multiple clipboard buffers .. I've pasted up to 2000 lines from a Konsole at times :) > Dunno. I'd just run tcpdump in a different terminal for each interface > > and watch the traffic; what gets forwarded, or not, what gets translated > > by NAT, or not. As you said, pings are a useful start, as can be adding > > temporary firewall rules to log everything in and out per interface .. > > > > I know next to nothing about routed(8) and RIP, nor why you might prefer > > it to static and cloned routing, but taking it out of the mix might help > > with debugging until your basic routing and filtering works right? > > > I think it's hard to be NAT even because I've disabled ipfilter and the > problem still. I thought I would just set gateway_enable="YES" and things > would start working, at least that was how I've seem in the docs, but like > it didn't, I tried to set static routes. I don't know anything about routed > too, I just know that it's supposed to build the routes on demand, or I think routed might only work in a network that's using RIP throughout, but that's only from what I've read in Hunt's TCP/IP Network Admin book, and I've seen next to no discussion of using RIP in recent times. I'm pretty sure you don't want to run routed(8) and that it would only add to confusion for anyone trying to help you spot your problem here. > something like that. I'll copy the result of netstat on monday but the > routes seems to be OK, they're there like they're supposed to be, at least I > think they are right. Probably the problem is very stupid, but I feel like Possibly just a little confusion re how freebsd routing tables are presented compared to Linux, especially re default routes, perhaps? > I've checked everything and I can't find the error, and like I'm not very > familiar with BSD I'm losing my hope. Next week I'll try some things and if > it don't work I think it's time to go back to linux. That's bad because I > liked a lot the freebsd way of do the things. I suggest ending this thread here, and that you come back with a fresh start on a fresh subject stating again what you want to do, your network setup and layout, ifconfig and your full IPv4 routing tables, and clear description of which packets via which interface/s are failing to get to where you want them to go (and back!). Your original message was fairly clear about that, though it's got lost in the mists of time by now .. Don't give up. Perhaps spend a little time browsing the freebsd-net list to see if that's worth joining for you, if you can't get sufficent answers here, but with enough basic info I'm sure someone here can help. Cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:33:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654BD16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:33:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04A013C45A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IwSql-0001Tz-Oe for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:33:27 +0000 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with SMTP id lAQ1XQ2x001186 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:33:27 GMT Received: (qmail 82640 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Nov 2007 01:33:21 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:33:21 +0000 To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Message-ID: <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:33:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:33:45 -0000 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:53:54PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > > T, > > I don't know any soft way to say this. The man, Hitler, was the most evil > person that our generation has ever witnessed. He wasn't witnessed by our generation & IMHO Stalin was worse. > The things he did and what was done on his behalf are unspeakable > and give him a special place in whatever hell you believe in. I don't believe in hell - any sort of hell. > As a society, we should distance ourselves and shun any imagery that > puts any kind of human side to this monster. Why should we stop putting any human side to him? He was clearly a human being. > Saying that he loved dogs and was an art afficionado is completely > irrelevant if you know anything about his actions. Because it shows him to be a human being? > > There are far more worthy quotes that can be put into FreeBSD and I don't > think its debateable. You don't think it's debatable, but I do. > > What really gets me is the fact that this is one of the examples put on the > FreeBSD page. I'm all for freedom and libertarian ideals, but for petes' > sake, have some compassion and understand where your liberty crosses over > into the pain of someone else's family. Why didn't they put on that page > along with "quotes about hitler", "jokes about cancer" and "funny rape > stories." Good idea! Anybody got any good cancer or rape gags we can put in fortune? > > I don't want to outlaw anything, but have some good taste. You *do* want to outlaw things on the grounds of "taste". > Learn to > moderate yourselves, this is what "freedom" is all based on, being good to > others. Nonsense. Freedom is about the right to voice disagreement with others amongst other things. > > I would appreciate if someone would help me find the person who can help to > modify the text on this page. > http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html > I think it can be worded differently and get the point accross without > giving any extra attention to this monster. It's a good example and shouldn't be changed IMO. PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting & rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the wrong mailing list. -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:42:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1C616A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B54313C447 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:42:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D94C4C88A3; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:43:03 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.756 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.756 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.872, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sJl4VBUbM+RJ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:42:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (c-71-57-18-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net [71.57.18.206]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25974C8887; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:42:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000501c82fcd$b4d099b0$6701a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071125234621.GB3362@kobe.laptop> <000701c82fbf$45d93160$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126002542.GA3696@kobe.laptop> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:43:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:42:58 -0000 > If you are not bothered by the fact that the fortune cookie database > contains Hitler quotes, but you merely want to ammend the text of the > web site, then you are more than welcome to post patches to the > freebsd-www list. That's where most of the work on the website is > discussed, and reviewed. > > - Giorgos I'm not going to reply to your personal attack but will only say that you are definitely much smarter, more web savy and better looking than me. As far as the rest of your comment, yes, I am only interested in removing the reference to hitler from the front page of that topic that's all. And unfortunately I do not know how to post patches to the freebsd-www list so if you would be so kind as to send me an email with a pointer, I would sincerely appreciate it. Best Regards, Artur eBoundHost.com http://www.eboundhost.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:45:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FF516A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:45:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-48.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-48.bluehost.com [69.89.18.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B671113C448 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 8193 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2007 01:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 01:45:49 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwT2j-000139-6N for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:45:49 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQ1kOcn029836 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQ1kOd9029835 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:46:24 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126014623.GD29622@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31AE442CCBC1094ABC40CE85B0149F06468CE8@MAIL1.registry.otago.ac.nz> <20071123080559.eda37a95.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071123135206.GA8324@rebelion.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071123135206.GA8324@rebelion.Sisis.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: top posting (off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:45:50 -0000 On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 02:52:06PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > It should be easy in mailing-lists to block mails of top-posters. It would also probably be prone to "false positive" errors. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] McCloctnick the Lucid: "The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hopping when a rock or a club will do." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:48:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F12916A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B1C13C45A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DC94C8890; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:48:26 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.741 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.741 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.857, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0uTSWgPQ1scD; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:48:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (c-71-57-18-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net [71.57.18.206]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3E84C8884; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:48:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000901c82fce$7558ee30$6701a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: "Erik Osterholm" References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126005855.GA74363@aleph.cepheid.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:48:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:48:21 -0000 Erik, This is a very wise thing that you just said, and I agree with you almost completely. The difference is that your very own words are a brilliant way to say it, and would be wonderful to replace the "Hitler quotes" that is there now. So, if someone would replace it with your quote, I would be completely satisfied: >> the speaker of the quote is not to be the >> basis for categorizing the quote as offensive. In fact, I do not think that the quotes should be removed from the database itself, my only objection is that by having "hitler quotes" on the front page, we are virtually monopolizing the page to this topic. Best Regards, Artur eBoundHost.com http://www.eboundhost.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Osterholm" To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: Re: who wrote this > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:53:54PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: >> I would appreciate if someone would help me find the person who can >> help to >> modify the text on this page. >> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html >> I think it can be worded differently and get the point accross >> without >> giving any extra attention to this monster. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Artur > > Do I understand correctly that you are not concerned so much with the > inclusion of quotes by Adolf Hitler, but you don't like the way the > web page is presented? > > If that's the case, my argument for maintaining the current state of > the webpage is that it's going to become a repeated issue. Without > the notice that Hitler quotes are not automatically considered > offensive, a lot of people will probably see a non-offensive Hitler > quote and argue that it should be moved to the offensive file simply > due to the attribution. > > Put another way, the quote "What luck for the rulers that men do not > think." is not considered offensive. Merely adding the attribution, > then, should not cause it to be moved to the "offensive" file. That > said, people have argued in the past that it should be, simply because > Hitler is in the text. Putting the notice on the webpage at > http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html is a public expression > that the speaker of the quote is not to be the basis for categorizing > the quote as offensive. > > Erik > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:48:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76CC16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@net24.co.nz) Received: from srv.exchange.net24.net.nz (srv.exchange.net24.net.nz [210.55.4.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4215C13C4CC for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@net24.co.nz) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([210.55.30.56]) by srv.exchange.net24.net.nz over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:45:56 +1300 Message-ID: <474A25FE.5000601@net24.co.nz> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:48:46 +1300 From: Brett Davidson Organization: Net24 Limited User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <474A1F67.9060404@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: <474A1F67.9060404@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2007 01:45:56.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[165CAD40:01C82FCE] Subject: [OT] who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:48:43 -0000 Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > eBoundHost: Artur wrote: >> T, >> >> I don't know any soft way to say this. The man, Hitler, was the most >> evil person that our generation has ever witnessed. The things he did > > this is why he has to be quoted so people see from where certain ideas > originate. > > I live in a country where many things are - knowingly or unknowingly - > copied from this guy. > >> What really gets me is the fact that this is one of the examples put >> on the FreeBSD page. I'm all for freedom and libertarian ideals, but >> for > > You can promote freedom only if you are able to describe the opposite. Well said. > >> I don't want to outlaw anything, but have some good taste. Learn to >> moderate yourselves, this is what "freedom" is all based on, being >> good to others. >> > You must make people aware. If people are not aware - this was the > most common excuse of Germans after the war - they will never ever > support any actions against something. > >> I would appreciate if someone would help me find the person who can >> help to modify the text on this page. > > I hope, you will not find this person. > > Just for your information. Parts of my family were active against > Hitler until the collapse of the Third Reich. > > I think, that you are not able to understand the possible unawareness > if you have not experienced it just after 1945. A very high percentage > of Germans simply could not imagine or did not believe what was going > on around them. > > Surpressing even quotes like them here, is the first step to make > people feel as they live in a perfect world. > > Erich To give another reason against supression of quotes is that you tend to emulate the actions of the people's ideas that you wished suppressed. "The opinion of this person/group is not worthy of being spread" is but the thin edge of a fascist wedge. It effectively states that you know better than the rest of us and that you are entitled to prevent others from learning/doing something in their "best interests". I wish more people would think about that before attempting to meddle in what others are allowed to do. Brett. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:51:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AF016A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:51:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C787013C4CC for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup75.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.75]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lAQ1op8q016044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:51:05 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAQ1ooJJ005619; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:50:50 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lAQ1om5U005618; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:50:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:50:47 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Message-ID: <20071126015047.GA5574@kobe.laptop> References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071125234621.GB3362@kobe.laptop> <000701c82fbf$45d93160$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126002542.GA3696@kobe.laptop> <000501c82fcd$b4d099b0$6701a8c0@mobility> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000501c82fcd$b4d099b0$6701a8c0@mobility> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.944, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.46, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:51:21 -0000 On 2007-11-25 19:43, "eBoundHost: Artur" wrote: >> If you are not bothered by the fact that the fortune cookie database >> contains Hitler quotes, but you merely want to ammend the text of the >> web site, then you are more than welcome to post patches to the >> freebsd-www list. That's where most of the work on the website is >> discussed, and reviewed > > I'm not going to reply to your personal attack but will only say that you > are definitely much smarter, more web savy and better looking than me. It's not an ``attack'', but merely a request to avoid what may be considered as a ``fault'' of the FreeBSD Project. > As far as the rest of your comment, yes, I am only interested in > removing the reference to hitler from the front page of that topic > that's all. And unfortunately I do not know how to post patches to > the freebsd-www list so if you would be so kind as to send me an email > with a pointer, I would sincerely appreciate it. You don't have to spend a lot of time working with HTML, SGML or the CVS tree. A mere proposal for a text that improves what you consider buggy in the web page, should be fine. We can do the rest. - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:55:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFC116A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-69.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-69.bluehost.com [69.89.21.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DD0313C468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 11584 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2007 01:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 01:55:41 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwTCG-0002Sh-PQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:55:40 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQ1uGoN029894 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQ1uFwm029893 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:56:15 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126015615.GE29622@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31AE442CCBC1094ABC40CE85B0149F06468CE8@MAIL1.registry.otago.ac.nz> <47470077.7030706@chrononomicon.com> <20071123184838.GA18711@parts-unknown.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071123184838.GA18711@parts-unknown.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: top posting (off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:55:41 -0000 On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 10:48:38AM -0800, David Benfell wrote: > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:31:51 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > > We have adults who can't be bothered to tell the difference > > between lose and loose in writing. Wonderful things encouraged by people > > justifying their lazy writing styles. > > > This might be slightly unfair. > > A large proportion of the population has *never* been able to spell correctly > or to use proper grammar. A difference between now, and a few years ago, is > that we are more often encountering their expressions in a written form, as > they, too, gain access to the Internet. I think it's kind of a chicken-and-egg problem: we don't really know for sure whether TOFU[1] posting spurred much of the rise of illiteracy or the increase of relative illiteracy on the Internet led to an increase in TOFU posting. Which came first? Ultimately, I think greater frequency of TOFU posting and a reduced average ability to order one's thoughts to compose meaningful discourse each contribute to the other. > > And an insistence on grammatical and spelling correctness is its own form of > elitism. Is it? In my case, it tends to be a couple of things, neither of which is particularly elitist as far as I can tell: 1. an attempt to help others learn how to think more clearly and express themselves more precisely 2. an easy way to filter those who do not think very clearly so I can spend more of my time on those who do, since better grammar and spelling (along with certain other communication skills) tends to be indicative of clearer thought I won't ignore someone who displays appalling lack of writing capabilities just because of poor spelling or grammar. I sometimes need to cut down on how much stuff gets read in a given day, so I have time to do something with the information I get from my reading, and when the need is great enough it's usually the people who don't communicate worth a damn that get cut first. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Kent Beck: "I always knew that one day Smalltalk would replace Java. I just didn't know it would be called Ruby." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:56:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1033516A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D726C13C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235E04C8890; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:56:14 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.712 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.712 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.828, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RWfSi5gZdX7u; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:56:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (c-71-57-18-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net [71.57.18.206]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3A04C8884; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:56:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301c82fcf$8ca1d150$6701a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071125234621.GB3362@kobe.laptop> <000701c82fbf$45d93160$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126002542.GA3696@kobe.laptop> <000501c82fcd$b4d099b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126015047.GA5574@kobe.laptop> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:56:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:56:09 -0000 >> I'm not going to reply to your personal attack but will only say that you >> are definitely much smarter, more web savy and better looking than me. > > It's not an ``attack'', but merely a request to avoid what may be > considered as a ``fault'' of the FreeBSD Project. > >> As far as the rest of your comment, yes, I am only interested in >> removing the reference to hitler from the front page of that topic >> that's all. And unfortunately I do not know how to post patches to >> the freebsd-www list so if you would be so kind as to send me an email >> with a pointer, I would sincerely appreciate it. > > You don't have to spend a lot of time working with HTML, SGML or the CVS > tree. A mere proposal for a text that improves what you consider buggy > in the web page, should be fine. We can do the rest. > > - Giorgos Ok, thank you, I will submit the proposed changes. I appreciate your reply. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:57:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C242616A4A0 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF9A13C46E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2007 20:57:34 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with ESMTP id JJJ04613; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2007 20:56:25 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18250.10247.641622.751763@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:57:27 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: USB headset? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:57:35 -0000 Is anyone out there using one? If so, what brand/model and with what software? Was ther anything special needed to get things working? Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:58:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C7416A475 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-09.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-09.bluehost.com [69.89.17.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DACB13C4DD for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 22880 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2007 01:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 01:58:29 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwTEz-0002qR-Ja for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:58:29 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQ1x557029912 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQ1x4xb029911 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:59:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:59:04 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126015904.GF29622@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31AE442CCBC1094ABC40CE85B0149F06468CE8@MAIL1.registry.otago.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <31AE442CCBC1094ABC40CE85B0149F06468CE8@MAIL1.registry.otago.ac.nz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: top posting (off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:58:31 -0000 On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 10:22:50AM +1300, Brent Jones wrote: I find that top-posting really makes it difficult to follow the flow of a discussion. I especially find it difficult when someone engages in TOFU [1] posting, because when I try to check context there's a gawdawful lengthy blob of stuff, of which usually only a tiny bit is context. Please trim and post in context. > > I for one prefer top posting, as usually I have read a particular thread > enough times that I like to cut to the chase and read the new input > without having to scroll down, sometimes navigating an endless nesting > of >>> For me, reading through top posted replies saves time and > effort. If I happened to miss something in the conversation I can > scroll down to find it. I'm sure someone does, but I don't. > > Anyone else feel the same? [1]: TOFU = Text Over, Fullquote Under; a term for the most common form of top posting -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Baltasar Gracian: "A wise man gets more from his enemies than a fool from his friends." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:00:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAE016A469 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:00:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-69.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-69.bluehost.com [69.89.21.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DFA013C44B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:00:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 16972 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2007 02:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 02:00:35 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwTH1-00039w-OL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:00:35 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQ21AEU029953 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:01:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQ21A27029952 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:01:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:01:10 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126020110.GG29622@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31AE442CCBC1094ABC40CE85B0149F06468CE8@MAIL1.registry.otago.ac.nz> <47470077.7030706@chrononomicon.com> <20071123184838.GA18711@parts-unknown.org> <20071126015615.GE29622@demeter.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126015615.GE29622@demeter.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: top posting (off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:00:36 -0000 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 06:56:15PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > I think it's kind of a chicken-and-egg problem: we don't really know for > sure whether TOFU[1] posting spurred much of the rise of illiteracy or > the increase of relative illiteracy on the Internet led to an increase in > TOFU posting. Which came first? I forgot to include the footnote about TOFU in the preceding message. It would have looked something like this: [1]: TOFU = Text Over, Fullquote Under; the most common format of top posted replies -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] MacUser, Nov. 1990: "There comes a time in the history of any project when it becomes necessary to shoot the engineers and begin production." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:06:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB72516A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simonychang@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FBC13C474 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simonychang@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so418802rvb for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:05:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7saNWqzH9tTF2SB2YGjlr6Fwk82kGSDiA6BCsfZ0H2Y=; b=rykIQ6Q/SpEKku+ITHzanSN3racwkUVGPzkop+kQf2sgRCpADtrd23GIKIJd4YgTDQg3Q4AmMkFyPLDUeANAigV3TRDXABoIGg58gaZudnT6H4DunP7Hng9PXvWL9WsNGqNw70pRPh/Hr8zyzDJY+d2oAiq7GRF6o3NNVsZglfU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lHpOIxcI8ZFwGHaiDepQY6Q4e2ZTZ78l4FhSbJ/V3ocBFGU4uOr84hIB3w7rOnYnGCWScfLysjW81GwzIphyomYPzs9xXJ1/gqxA8vaC9Q3+SfmZEpl4WI8fxMu5EPsGHXz7roYZEglofZVqiSTIfQWe1gZRTt8cG5sDajX06u8= Received: by 10.141.48.10 with SMTP id a10mr850554rvk.1196042757860; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.190.20 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:05:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8efc42630711251805k76ee90bbt7ad9088485aaffc6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:05:57 -0500 From: "Simon Chang" To: "Bernt Hansson" In-Reply-To: <4749A880.9050704@bah.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4749A880.9050704@bah.homeip.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Double fault X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:06:03 -0000 Hi Bernt, A few observations: 1) This double fault apparently occurs fairly early in your boot process. Do you initialize anything late, like an external drive or some other hardware? 2) By your saying that you "usually" get either trap 9 or 12, I assume it happens frequently enough for you to notice a pattern. Do you have the kernel dump file and the backtrace? It would be a really good starting point to troubleshoot. SC On Nov 25, 2007 11:53 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Any help with this? > > > Fatal double fault: > eip = 0xc08a6589 > esp = 0x14 > ebp = 0xd020cb1c > panic: double fault > Uptime: 1m45s > > I usally get fatal trap 9 or 12 > > > FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Fri May 11 17:02:55 CEST 2007 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:12:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C935216A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB4F13C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CBF4C88AE; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:12:28 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.699 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.699 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.815, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E5a9CesoUJz7; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:12:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (c-71-57-18-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net [71.57.18.206]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533F04C88B2; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:12:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: "Frank Shute" References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:12:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:12:28 -0000 > PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting > & rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the > wrong mailing list. My apologies for top posting, will never happen again. I've never posted to a list before. >> Learn to >> moderate yourselves, this is what "freedom" is all based on, being good >> to >> others. > > Nonsense. Freedom is about the right to voice disagreement with > others amongst other things. Do you even notice the irony in what you said? Best Regards, Artur eBoundHost.com http://www.eboundhost.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:42:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC7716A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A476613C461 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: (qmail 29190 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 02:41:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=raBqdNTyUcpRqBqsfo0u+no4PA1nkU9+YGqCjA5l6X2vReUA9ZuM0JQWPpTjSw12lDnjQ6lETPZtv4mLYwSJeu+L+Yo1wB+3QC/3uN13BQ4OBclO0LDAuWuW+FikX0xAKYiIYeV6ZP0TeKbz1rQ3NR23Ag2DXLeu6gd/sand514= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.7.236.228?) (jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 02:41:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ppp9BdcVM1lHdxi8Goa5_YMh_0Qx0gW6I_jNyLnUOIMQ5vmecyoRzjNHxSZS4nt7a2Qe2SZBUgIx95oo.AQytGS7oad3piWQBzRXGHMZDcLiFSd_bQ-- In-Reply-To: References: <6c21f52f0a910238c10964614d1f1102@prodigy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <16057a1b69c7fcfb6c4cf7bf1f4fa1ce@prodigy.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: jekillen Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:42:47 -0800 To: bsd X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Cc: Liste FreeBSD Subject: Re: named problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:42:06 -0000 On Nov 25, 2007, at 1:58 PM, bsd wrote: > Bind works perfectly out of the box on most FBSD recent versions. > > You should not move things out of the path they have been setup to. > Specially on FBSD /etc is reserved for system files. > > By default bind is installed in /var/named and should be kept there. > > If I was you I would : > 1. install the latest bind version from the port // > 2. make sure you don't touch things unless absolutely necessary. > 3. copy paste of modify the /var/named/etc/namedb/named.conf so that=20= > It corresponds to your needs. > 4. make sure the /etc/rc.conf has the correct "named" values. > 5. start it with the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ script for named // > > Been runing this one with 1000 zones as both masters and slave never=20= > had any problem. > > If you have more issue could give you a help on debuging bind. > > My advice : STICK TO THE FBSD RULES AND PATH unless you perfectly know=20= > what you are doing. > Thank you for your response. I did not actually change anything with=20 respect to locations and such, but some of the permissions in /var/named/etc/namedb I had changed and=20= could not find document- ation to tell me specifically what they are supposed to be. And I was=20 not able to deduce it. As it turned out, I had a line at the end of named.conf that tried to include=20= rndc.key file. I removed that and named started and runs. Now my problem is getting more info on=20 rndc. I am somewhat confused about it. But I will get on top of that too, i expect. ecrit...that's French for writes or has written... it's been over 40=20 years since I took French in high school. Thanks again much appreciated; bonjour Jeff K > Le 25 nov. 07 =E0 20:19, jekillen a =E9crit : > >> Hello; >> I am having some named problems: >> The daemon will not start and run on system startup. >> There is plenty of info on problems when named >> is running, but not when it will not start. >> I did get it to start after boot with >> #named (su to root without - option) >> It started and ran as demonstrated >> with ps -aux. But the listing was >> just user (me as mortal user) and >> named as process (not as a path >> to an executable, as is normal >> for other processes). >> The console messages at start up >> gives me configuration file not found >> errors. The files are there. >> /etc/namedb/named.conf, rndc.key >> /etc/namedb is a link to /var/named/etc/namedb where the config >> files are. It is set up to be a slave server >> for four domains. >> How can I go about debugging this >> situation? >> My suspicions are ownership and permissions >> are wrong, but how, and how to fix; ?? >> Thanks in advance >> Jeff k > > =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF > Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD > bsd @at@ todoo.biz > =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF > > P "Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing=20= > this e-mail" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:50:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1BB16A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E1213C45B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup75.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.75]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lAQ2no4l018982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:49:59 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAQ2nmar005873 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:49:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lAQ2nlf2005872 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:49:47 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:49:47 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126024947.GC5574@kobe.laptop> References: <31AE442CCBC1094ABC40CE85B0149F06468CE8@MAIL1.registry.otago.ac.nz> <47470077.7030706@chrononomicon.com> <20071123184838.GA18711@parts-unknown.org> <20071126015615.GE29622@demeter.hydra> <20071126020110.GG29622@demeter.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126020110.GG29622@demeter.hydra> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.944, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.46, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: top posting (off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:50:24 -0000 On 2007-11-25 19:01, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 06:56:15PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > I think it's kind of a chicken-and-egg problem: we don't really know for > > sure whether TOFU[1] posting spurred much of the rise of illiteracy or > > the increase of relative illiteracy on the Internet led to an increase in > > TOFU posting. Which came first? > > I forgot to include the footnote about TOFU in the preceding message. It > would have looked something like this: > > [1]: TOFU = Text Over, Fullquote Under; the most common format of top > posted replies The footnote was easy to understand after a quick Wikipedia search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting Quoting the text (so list members don't have to actually repeat the search): Some maintain that top-posting is _never_ appropriate, and refer to it jokingly as the "TOFU" method (from the German "text oben, fullquote unten", sometimes translated "text over, fullquote under") [...] Nice one. I had not heard of "TOFU posting" before :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:51:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FABC16A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:51:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C658613C4D5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: (qmail 56848 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 02:50:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=Fcyik63lnH2ZpIeDXv9BzJoDxV9jLoy3X4gqH09h6xLrUjAsH9nBQWELgA68HONsWXybsIUEvERxBWCxSXp14q5iRdsJwvSnh2Vt7K3hR9dk4DdMJ4uO76hK1S1ZNTwzRzkof+2xxJZFXq+6G37Cj9yirGFUmHGPns6og6BSUZY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.7.236.228?) (jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 02:50:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MO1L8LgVM1n.bdIOYbYRqSDmDN5DctuHcICGXmpiClz5j6irxNqXRs7POlILNhMnl3s7nZQO8Q-- In-Reply-To: <3710.10.202.77.103.1196026478.squirrel@webmail.superhero.nl> References: <81137B0FC6F246FA30ECC1DD@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> <7E797148-F4F1-4BE8-B086-6E54B53BD2C6@gmail.com> <3710.10.202.77.103.1196026478.squirrel@webmail.superhero.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jekillen Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:51:52 -0800 To: "Gelsema, P \(Patrick\)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: short Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:51:08 -0000 On Nov 25, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Gelsema, P ((Patrick)) wrote: > On Sun, November 25, 2007 21:18, Shantanoo Mahajan wrote: >> >> On 26-Nov-07, at 1:23 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> >>> --On November 23, 2007 9:04:01 PM -0800 jekillen >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello: >>>> Is this the way to start mysqld in rc.conf? >>>> mysqld_enable="YES" > > head /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server > # > # Add the following line to /etc/rc.conf to enable mysql: > # mysql_enable (bool): Set to "NO" by default. > # Set it to "YES" to enable MySQL. > # mysql_limits (bool): Set to "NO" by default. > # Set it to yes to run `limits -e -U mysql` > # just before mysql starts. > # mysql_dbdir (str): Default to "/var/db/mysql" > # Base database directory. > # mysql_args (str): Custom additional arguments to be passed > # to mysqld_safe (default empty). > > > Cheers > > Patrick > >>>> >>> Most ports that have daemons will have startup scripts in /usr/ >>> local/etc/rc.d/. Most of those scripts will include comments about >>> what switches are required in /etc/rc.conf to start the daemon. >>> Look there first for instructions. >>> >>> If you look at the mysqld startup script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d, >>> you will notice that it says use msyqld_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf. >> >> I do not have freebsd machine around to verify, but iirc, its >> 'mysql_enable' >> and not 'mysqld_enable'. >> >> regards, >> shantanoo Thank you all for responses. I did get this straightened out: It is mysql_enable="YES" and putting a script named mysql in the /etc/rc.d directory with the lines; #! /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql & did the trick. This is what the mysql docs prescribe for starting the server. Perhaps that is not the best way to go about it at system start, but it works. Thanks again; Jeff K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:54:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60ED916A469 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EE3713C45A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 28482 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 02:54:56 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 26 Nov 2007 02:54:56 -0000 Message-ID: <474A357C.3070206@pacific.net.sg> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:54:52 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brent Jones References: <31AE442CCBC1094ABC40CE85B0149F06468CE8@MAIL1.registry.otago.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <31AE442CCBC1094ABC40CE85B0149F06468CE8@MAIL1.registry.otago.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: top posting (off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:54:59 -0000 Hi, Brent Jones wrote: > Sorry if this is a bit off topic for this list, but it seem to be a > comment that comes up very regularly; "please don't top post..." at least, you make me understand what this means. Yes, it is stupid to avoid top posting as they save a lot of time as long as it is still clear how it is connected to the original message. > > I for one prefer top posting, as usually I have read a particular thread > enough times that I like to cut to the chase and read the new input > without having to scroll down, sometimes navigating an endless nesting Most of the time, it is a waste to keep the parts of the original message which is not referred to in the answer. > Anyone else feel the same? Oh yes! Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 03:17:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE02016A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shantanoo@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DF113C45D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shantanoo@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so430555rvb for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:17:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=lacewfe2AqSotalJtmcuvUr2v965mf34/ADt68Ouf2c=; b=TTJMEB9El+g7YNAg5gsZSBP7e/cZh6mbNYSJYDMTWzmMzFu2ndgfs+RgWnCGkDDDxE2XxA+xNEqTwDNuA5ZplcZt5G39JEsMLgAVzFfYOuHSBE6JQt1V5mgrlkKsM7qzPpFBu+GRzyoLsmQwwXCMijEDXm9niw1xfUkfk/mo9Mw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Lv2QmT+ZkNJzhksiCvb20ET7TDi44y4HpFb4LOV69kx0qGG4zIjn1/OiXMwuJEtLgmsSud6cdkMRSLauCmoUMjTr2KIOomI8EQJdd4Ulr6FW6LG8iZ1OLVC5C/avfncyNm0acPpW5p3fy+VZjUDVweHGVljrB0nQ7AootjH4FOI= Received: by 10.140.142.4 with SMTP id p4mr872493rvd.1196047024891; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:17:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.100? ( [121.247.78.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm3052425rvi.2007.11.25.19.17.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:17:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200711251737.46428.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <200711251737.46428.lumiwa@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Shantanoo Mahajan Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:46:54 +0530 To: ajtiM X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: K3b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:17:05 -0000 On 26-Nov-07, at 5:07 AM, ajtiM wrote: > Hi! > > I am new with FreeBSD. I installed one day ago 7.0 beta3 and I try > to learn > and setup the system. > When I start K3b (KDE) I got a message: > > "No CD/DVD writer found. > K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, > you will not > be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use other K3b > features > like audio track extraction or audio transcoding or ISO9660 image > creation." > > I tired as user and as root but resul is the same. > > BTW: under Linux I didn't have a problem Check section '18.6.9 Using the ATAPI/CAM Driver' on http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating- cds.html regards, shantanoo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 03:24:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA37816A46E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:24:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thenudnik@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964FF13C4D1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:24:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thenudnik@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so100323anc for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:24:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M2eAGRwqMWSecb8+E/k1zWndBD3Fb2lTUv2dNiXjibA=; b=tJzjdfkplophTVFzfUPvGkjw7Q8p+RpYfd41MOvWcFYoyHc9WUq5Dt4wBYipqeqSj9UWcgVC99mwix6s86gdZED+A9Ou3s/83hhrY/UTXUMwv7ykQRa2ofzTB6Ymte1vHrSWMICe83qzfusYG5zXVpWHOPjEYfi+A3ewY3Ssjfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=q5lg8Ws7Yf59hmHg+xQ2YR2la/fq8/8Rmn2fYdXmJPZJo1FB/oyRKXTawPqYCgFgSdgSukeL1QEDYm5QhQ9f9lZnBu92ff5cW4jCVjY5EVsZcdufQv1j/kOfpWgBGcCp03iqkzGDr/xNEfo7ME6m3wW5rdgcxWdjlk4EFXLEXAQ= Received: by 10.100.202.9 with SMTP id z9mr2927304anf.1196045802868; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [71.52.21.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3sm1384130ana.2007.11.25.18.56.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:56:41 -0800 (PST) From: "David M. Patronis" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:56:39 -0500 Message-Id: <1196045799.6228.4.camel@dhcppc0> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: K3b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:24:53 -0000 Hi! I am new with FreeBSD. I installed one day ago 7.0 beta3 and I try to learn and setup the system. When I start K3b (KDE) I got a message: "No CD/DVD writer found. K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you will not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use other K3b features like audio track extraction or audio transcoding or ISO9660 image creation." I tired as user and as root but resul is the same. BTW: under Linux I didn't have a problem Thanks in advance. Response: Assuming some things still work as they did with the 6.X releases (probably a dangerous assumption) you need to enable the ATAPI driver. See here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html#ATAPICAM David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 03:31:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B653016A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kneel.pardoe@virgin.net) Received: from n066.sc1.he.tucows.com (smtpout0159.sc1.he.tucows.com [64.97.136.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9086C13C461 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kneel.pardoe@virgin.net) Received: from sc1-out02.emaildefenseservice.com (64.97.139.2) by n066.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 47030B3A0047F5D8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:31:46 +0000 X-SpamScore: 2 X-Spamcatcher-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 5f86bcf082583732, 7b4d0be2e2c143f3, kneel.pardoe@virgin.net, -, RULES_HIT:355:379:481:599:601:945:988:989:1260:1261:1277:1311:1312:1313:1314:1345:1358:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1519:1534:1540:1593:1594:1595:1596:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2194:2199:2393:2551:2553:2559:2562:2828:3027:3352:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:5007:7652, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none X-Spamcatcher-Explanation: Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [64.97.206.40]) (Authenticated sender: kneel.pardoe@virgin.net) by sc1-out02.emaildefenseservice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:31:46 +0000 (UTC) From: neal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:31:32 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <474A1F67.9060404@pacific.net.sg> <474A25FE.5000601@net24.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <474A25FE.5000601@net24.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711260331.32642.kneel.pardoe@virgin.net> Subject: Re: [OT] who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:31:47 -0000 On Monday 26 November 2007, Brett Davidson wrote: > To give another reason against supression of quotes is > that you tend to emulate the actions of the people's > ideas that you wished suppressed. "The opinion of this > person/group is not worthy of being spread" is but the > thin edge of a fascist wedge. > It effectively states that you know better than the rest > of us and that you are entitled to prevent others from > learning/doing something in their "best interests". > I wish more people would think about that before > attempting to meddle in what others are allowed to do. Good points. It reminds me of a very old mystic quote "when a Sage points to the moon, the idiot sees only a finger" Lets also remember that history is written by the victors, which means they LIE! neal. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 03:58:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8869416A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from smtp102.math.arizona.edu (smtp102.math.arizona.edu [128.196.102.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E06113C45D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from Debian-exim by smtp102.math.arizona.edu with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IwV6u-0005Ra-J4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:58:22 -0700 Received: from 71-220-154-82.tcsn.qwest.net ([71.220.154.82] helo=.domain.actdsltmp) by smtp102.math.arizona.edu with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IwV6m-0005R3-50; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:58:08 -0700 Message-ID: <474A444B.7030909@math.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:58:03 -0700 From: Predrag Punosevac User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070916) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajtiM References: <200711251737.46428.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200711251737.46428.lumiwa@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ACL-Warn: The HELO/EHLO greeting .domain.actdsltmp is invalid X-Outgoing-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: K3b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:58:33 -0000 ajtiM wrote: > Hi! > > I am new with FreeBSD. I installed one day ago 7.0 beta3 and I try to learn > and setup the system. > When I start K3b (KDE) I got a message: > > "No CD/DVD writer found. > K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you will not > be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use other K3b features > like audio track extraction or audio transcoding or ISO9660 image creation." > > I tired as user and as root but resul is the same. > > BTW: under Linux I didn't have a problem > > Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > You have not done your homework. Probably the following would be enough [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ more /boot/loader.conf atapicam_load="YES" hw.ata.ata_dma="1" hw.ata.atapi_dma="1" You also need to add the following into your /etc/devfs.conf file # Allow members of the group operator to mount CD-ROMs. perm /dev/acd0 0666 perm /dev/cd0 0666 # Commonly used by many ports link cd0 cdrom link cd0 dvd link cd0 rdvd link acd0 cdrom link acd0 dvd link acd0 rdvd # Misc other devices perm cdrom 0666 perm dvd 0666 perm rdvd 0666 perm xpt0 0666 perm pass0 0666 I am not sure if you need HAL as mine is ON on this computer on which K3b works flawlessly. You will have to read handbook and the following is useful http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/. BTW: I really gets annoyed when people say by the way it works in Linux, Windows, Solaris or whatever. What is that suppose to mean? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 04:03:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8FD16A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4BC13C461 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D614C88AA for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:03:22 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.868 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.868 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=-0.527, BAYES_50=0.001, DYN_RDNS_SHORT_HELO_HTML=0.499, FAKE_REPLY_C=2.012, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vLXYiKz-ucrW for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:03:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (c-71-57-18-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net [71.57.18.206]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698A14C88A6 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:03:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301c82fe1$4e4263e0$6701a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:03:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: [OT] who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:03:16 -0000 >Lets also remember that history is written by the victors,=20 >which means they LIE! >neal. Wow neal, that's very nice of you. are you saying that hitler didn't do = any of these things? I'm not even going to respond to you here, just = going to re-post your words to show that there are still people like you = out there... And as far as your sage to the moon quote, don't think too much of your = own sagedom, there is always someone younger and smarter. You would be = better off being a little less "sagy" and a bit nicer. Now to the rest of you who are for some reason turning this into a = Censorship issue. It's not. I'm asking to replace the text on the HTML = front page with a completely unnecessary reference to hitler. We're not = talking about pruning the quotes database for controversial speakers. = having hitlers name there does nothing positive for the project and = polarizes the viewing audience because it offends the vast majority of = people, 99% of whom are not going to spend an evening writing to a = mailing list to have the issue fixed. They won't think about the deep = philosophical reasons why this should be there in principle. They are = going to read the page and think to themselves that the freebsd = community are a bunch of jerks.=20 There are far better ways to express the thought than by simply saying = "hitler quotes". For instance it can be replaced with "controversial = persons" or something similar. He was not the only such person in = history, so we should not be focusing only on him. Best Regards, Artur eBoundHost.com http://www.eboundhost.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 04:35:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6F616A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freysman@comcast.net) Received: from comcast-smtp-01.tampflrdc.rr.com (comcast-smtp-01.tampflrdc.rr.com [65.32.5.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201B613C46E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freysman@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (c-98-199-18-87.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [98.199.18.87]) by comcast-smtp-01.tampflrdc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQ4ZfUw028422 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:35:42 -0500 (EST) From: David J Brooks Organization: KC5WNK To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:35:40 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200711251737.46428.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200711251737.46428.lumiwa@gmail.com> X-Face: +\{75whsIB]=i--WqkV^U>!y`<~%(FUd, DQs, &e1yLt==9%It?7#?n>%Splqb, =?utf-8?q?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=0A=09lDIEu=25W?= =?utf-8?q?sB7o+6k2n=606Q5Fl?=, vJei{$-.KlHPHu/.~VuE=C[}lQmL}>V1t\yTn2iTwCfM`% MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711252235.40567.freysman@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: K3b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:35:46 -0000 On Sunday 25 November 2007 05:37:46 pm ajtiM wrote: > Hi! > > I am new with FreeBSD. I installed one day ago 7.0 beta3 and I try to learn > and setup the system. > When I start K3b (KDE) I got a message: > > "No CD/DVD writer found. > K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you will > not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use other K3b > features like audio track extraction or audio transcoding or ISO9660 image > creation." cd /usr/ports/sysutils/k3b && make showinfo David -- This message is larva-tested, pupa-approved. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 04:38:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E17716A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B18C13C4D3 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from epia-2.farid-hajji.net (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BB6E0276; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:38:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:38:48 +0100 From: cpghost To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Message-ID: <20071126053848.6c52fb51@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> In-Reply-To: <001301c82fe1$4e4263e0$6701a8c0@mobility> References: <001301c82fe1$4e4263e0$6701a8c0@mobility> Organization: Cordula's Web X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:38:52 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:03:30 -0600 "eBoundHost: Artur" wrote: > speakers. having hitlers name there does nothing positive for the > project and polarizes the viewing audience because it offends the > vast majority of people, 99% of whom are not going to spend an > evening writing to a mailing list to have the issue fixed. Without statistics, you can't actually tell for sure: 1. if this is really a prominent page which is getting a lot of hits. 2. if visitors noticed this at all or do/did care. 3. how many visitors were offended, and if it could even be a "vast majority" (when is a majority "vast"?). Just because you care about it (thank you for the heads up), doesn't mean 99% of other visitors did/do: we just can't know because there are no or not enough data to tell. Having said that, the improvement you're suggesting: > There are far better ways to express the thought than by simply saying > "hitler quotes". For instance it can be replaced with "controversial > persons" or something similar. looks quite reasonable to me. So please send-pr a patch to reword this page and have that discussed on the appropriate mailing list. questions@ is probably not the appropriate forum for that. Thank you, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 04:52:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B32216A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C55E13C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAQ4qZsQ018621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:52:35 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.6/8.12.11) id lAQ4qVuN098618; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:52:31 +0700 (ICT) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:52:31 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200711260452.lAQ4qVuN098618@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com In-reply-to: <20071123032011.57dcfc96@gumby.homeunix.com.> (message from RW on Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:20:11 +0000) References: <20071121221955.10f80f09@tania.servebbs.org> <20071123032011.57dcfc96@gumby.homeunix.com.> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: bob@tania.servebbs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Personalised patches in ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:52:38 -0000 Hi, > > How can I incorporate my patch into the portupgrade system, so that an > > upgrade of Xpdf will apply my patch? If I download the bzip file, > > apply the patch, re-bzip the sources, and then try to force an > > upgrade, the checksum fails (as expected). > > > > How does one do thes properly? > > It's actually much easier than in Linux, since the ports system already > has to do this. Each port has a files directory into which you can put > patches, which will get applied automatically each time you build. See > the porter's handbook for details: But wouldn't that personnal patch file be erased by next cvsup of the ports? Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 05:06:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5359116A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from turtle-out.mxes.net (turtle-out.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2926513C4D1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by turtle-in.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10298163F62 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89BBD0503 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:41:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:41:54 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126044154.5458534b@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Confusion about Ports and options framework X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:06:59 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:24:32 -0800 "Zachary Kline" wrote: > Hi, > I've read through the sections of the handbook quite carefully, > and haven't quite found what I'm looking for. > To be specific, I've no plans to install X11 or anything like it > on this machine yet. I may do so in the future merely to see how > accessible Gnome and such are, but not now. > I note that /usr/ports/editors/emacs has several environment > variables which can be set, such as WITHOUT_X11. Just set it globally in /etc/make.conf. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 05:07:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A001B16A468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:07:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507F213C4F2 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:07:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAQ57GrP083242; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:07:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "David Newman" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:08:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <4749FDFD.8010002@networktest.com> Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: dealing with a failing drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:07:18 -0000 Are we looking at the same output? Here's the output of idacontrol show off one of my DL360 servers: mail# idacontrol show cmd_show_all() [Compaq Integrated Array controller] Controller uptime: 301 hours 54 minutes 22 seconds Firmware Version: 1.50 (running) 1.50 (ROM) Revision - Hardware: 2 Marketing: A SCSI bus count: 2 Max drives per bus: 16 Maximum request: 65535 blocks Logical drive 0: 17359MB (35553120 sectors), blocksize=512 Status: Logical drive ok Mode: Mirroring (RAID1) Drive ID: 00000000 Drive Label: bus 1 target 0 lun 0: enclosure 0, bay 0, connector 2J direct-access 17361MB (35556888 512 byte sectors, 1088 reserved) Sync, Ultra2, Wide - Configured in a logical volume. bus 1 target 1 lun 0: enclosure 0, bay 1, connector 2J direct-access 17361MB (35556888 512 byte sectors, 1088 reserved) Sync, Ultra2, Wide - Configured in a logical volume. bus 1 target 7 lun 0: enclosure 0, bay 7, connector 2J non-disk Async mail# There are two physical disks in the server. bus 1 target 0 and bus 1 target 1. Those ARE the physical disks. If one of them has failed instead of: Sync, Ultra2, Wide - Configured in a logical volume. you will see something like: Sync, Ultra2, Wide - Unconfigured or nothing at all. It is normal for idacontrol to generate soft write errors. The developer knows about this. There's really no easy way to make it not happen. It doesen't hurt anything, however. If the RAID card itself is flakey you can't really tell it from software. Even the Windows RAID utilities that HP/Compaq supplies won't tell you this. The "by the book" way of troubleshooting these servers is if you get a disk failure, you immediately swap the disk. Then if the failure happens again and your pretty sure it's not the disk, you down the server, and boot it into Compaq Diagnostics and let it run for a day or so. It is not uncommon to end up with several additional hard drives that you don't need in the process of identifying a bad RAID card in a server. We have all done it, it is part of the territory. If you cannot afford it, stay away from these servers. Remember these servers are designed for a medium to large corporation that has a lot of resources. To give you a typical scenario, a couple weeks ago one of our mailservers running on a Proliant 1600R started freezing up. I had the admin pull the entire disk array and put the disks into our backup server, that went online in place of the original server, and the original server was pulled and put on a test bench. About a week later the admin finally discovered the processor board had worked it's way almost out of the socket, after much hair-pulling, running of diagnostics, and so on. Ted > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of David Newman > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:58 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: dealing with a failing drive > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/24/07 12:39 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > The output of idacontrol show will show if one of the > > hard disks in the SmartArray has failed. Your choice with > > a hardware array is to either run it with redundancy or not. > > (ie: raid5 or mirroring or striping) You have to choose > > which is more important for you. > > > > IMHO it is very foolish to stripe an array that you have > > critical data on and assume that you can predict a failure > > of a disk using smart or other monitoring, and replace it > > in advance of a failure. If your concern is redundancy, then > > add more disks to the array and create a raid 5 or a mirror. > > Then ignore all the predictive junk and let the array card > > concern itself with detecting if a drive has failed. Run > > idacontrol periodically out of a script that checks for a > > failure of a disk and e-mails you if there is one. > > Thanks, this is good advice, but it doesn't answer the specific > questions I had: > > 1. How to diagnose the health of a *physical* disk that's part of a RAID > array (RAID1, in this case) in an old Compaq Proliant server? > > 2. Is it normal for idacontrol to generate soft write errors? > > Backstory here is that Proliant server #1 generated beaucoup hard and > soft read and write errors and eventually locked up. I thought it was > one of the disks but replacing one at a time didn't help. So I took both > disks and put them in identical Proliant server #2. Ergo, I would > conclude server #1's RAID controller flaked out. > > idacontrol is useful for telling the health of the logical disk. What it > doesn't tell me (or maybe I just don't see it) is whether the physical > disks are ok, and those "soft write errors" concern me. I had a failure > situation, and need to figure out whether just the controller was bad or > whether I need to replace at least one disk too. > > Thanks again! > > dn > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFHSf39yPxGVjntI4IRAp1yAJ4vMV9FkeaBsHRr/Z5WpCL27wJ3tACfS+pT > 3UVlscnQUZhe8ulHksKDWsY= > =Om7/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 05:11:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A17416A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@ysarro.com) Received: from wroot.nepharia.org (205-200-74-154.static.mts.net [205.200.74.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49BB13C46E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@ysarro.com) Received: from nepharia.org (shaftoe [10.0.0.100]) by wroot.nepharia.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 908C82296D; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:48:17 -0600 (CST) Received: by nepharia.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1000 dave@ysarro.com; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:51:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:51:51 -0600 From: Dave Curry To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Message-ID: <20071126045150.GA4902@shaftoe.nepharia.org> References: <001301c82fe1$4e4263e0$6701a8c0@mobility> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001301c82fe1$4e4263e0$6701a8c0@mobility> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:11:29 -0000 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 10:03:30PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > > Wow neal, that's very nice of you. are you saying that hitler didn't do any of these things? I'm not even going to respond to you here, just going to re-post your words to show that there are still people like you out there... > > And as far as your sage to the moon quote, don't think too much of your own sagedom, there is always someone younger and smarter. You would be better off being a little less "sagy" and a bit nicer. > > Now to the rest of you who are for some reason turning this into a Censorship issue. It's not. I'm asking to replace the text on the HTML front page with a completely unnecessary reference to hitler. We're not talking about pruning the quotes database for controversial speakers. having hitlers name there does nothing positive for the project and polarizes the viewing audience because it offends the vast majority of people, 99% of whom are not going to spend an evening writing to a mailing list to have the issue fixed. They won't think about the deep philosophical reasons why this should be there in principle. They are going to read the page and think to themselves that the freebsd community are a bunch of jerks. > > There are far better ways to express the thought than by simply saying "hitler quotes". For instance it can be replaced with "controversial persons" or something similar. He was not the only such person in history, so we should not be focusing only on him. Since this point has been raised already I won't stick with it too long. It has been pointed out multiple times that this is not the proper forum to debate this point for one. For two if you have submitted your request for the revision to the proper people then _the community_ can take your suggestions under advisement and decide if it really is improper to be using "Hitler quotes" as opposed to some other phrasing. As it is, I think you've extensively made the point for why it was a good choice. The reaction to Hitler should not be such that simply being associated with the name justifies people taking offense. On the flip side of this, saying that it being a Hitler quote doesn't automatically make it offensive doesn't lessen the terrible impact that he actually had, and as such doesn't warrant censorship (Despite your protestations to the contrary, censorship is the very act of removing items deemed offensive to a body). Unless you can come up with a legitimate reason that "Hitler" should be removed, you're not going to bring much sympathy to your cause. --- David Michael Curry (Dave) () ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org | Against proprietary extensions From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 05:12:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F8516A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail.networktest.com (mail.networktest.com [207.181.8.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCA313C45D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: by mail.networktest.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id F162C78C51; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:12:58 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mail.networktest.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from mose.local (cpe-75-82-195-55.socal.res.rr.com [75.82.195.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7799C78C4D; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:12:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474A55D4.8000002@networktest.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:12:52 -0800 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dealing with a failing drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:12:59 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/25/07 9:08 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > There are two physical disks in the server. bus 1 target 0 and > bus 1 target 1. Those ARE the physical disks. If one of them > has failed instead of: > > Sync, Ultra2, Wide - Configured in a logical volume. > > you will see something like: > > Sync, Ultra2, Wide - Unconfigured > > or nothing at all. Cool, thanks. Your output and mine are virtually identical. Now I get what you mean by running idacontrol periodically and grokking the output to verify both disks are still in the array. > > It is normal for idacontrol to generate soft write errors. The > developer knows about this. There's really no easy way to make > it not happen. It doesen't hurt anything, however. OK, good to know. thanks much! dn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHSlXUyPxGVjntI4IRAlbxAJ0aZDSOeyrTIoEVtKOZd5UMbDMx9QCdHP8I TAh9zWa+2cUlE5Qh2qfks2Y= =iEK3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 05:16:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA3216A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6CD13C447 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF29D0562 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:16:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:16:47 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126051647.37e98bfb@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <200711260452.lAQ4qVuN098618@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> References: <20071121221955.10f80f09@tania.servebbs.org> <20071123032011.57dcfc96@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200711260452.lAQ4qVuN098618@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Personalised patches in ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:16:52 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:52:31 +0700 (ICT) Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > > > How can I incorporate my patch into the portupgrade system, so > > > that an upgrade of Xpdf will apply my patch? If I download the > > > bzip file, apply the patch, re-bzip the sources, and then try to > > > force an upgrade, the checksum fails (as expected). > > > > > > How does one do thes properly? > > > > It's actually much easier than in Linux, since the ports system > > already has to do this. Each port has a files directory into which > > you can put patches, which will get applied automatically each time > > you build. See the porter's handbook for details: > > But wouldn't that personnal patch file be erased by next cvsup of the > ports? > c[v]sup only deletes files that have been deleted under cvs - other files are left alone. The only risk is in choosing a patch filename that previously been used by the port maintainer, but that's easy to avoid. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 05:47:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EF716A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:47:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE41613C4D1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAQ5lLlU083570; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:47:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Tony" , "'Murray Taylor'" , Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:48:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <006801c82f86$093d13e0$f300a8c0@outkast> Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: RE: Squid with a Net nanny type setup.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:47:28 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony [mailto:tony@tntpro.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:10 AM > To: 'Ted Mittelstaedt'; 'Murray Taylor'; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Squid with a Net nanny type setup.... > > > Thanks for the advice, I've noticed dansguardian and looked into it a > little bit, I've also blocked some words which works but doesn't work > because it kills some legitimate pages. > > I've also tossed around the idea with my Fiancé about locking them down > to certain websites, but that is problematic with doing some school work > (kids are 9 and 11) I think what bothers me most is them stumbling > across something. > Well I have a 9 year old boy myself, I would never allow him to do school research on the Internet unsupervised. The only research access on the Internet he has is access to the online Encyclopedia Americana. At 9 years old their brains aren't developed enough to handle it. As for the 11 year old, at 11 years old I myself had a stack of Playboys and Oui under my bed, Oui had full on twat shots and all that. Actually the Playboys were excellent reading material - I learned all about Scientology and cults from reading the Playboy interviews with Ted Patrick AKA Black Lightning, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Patrick It served me very well a few years later in High School as I was to run into many Born Again Christians programmed by their particular churchs so I recognized the mental affliction immediately. And then again a few years later when in my mid 20's through no intent on my part I ended up getting a job with a company that I eventually discovered was a Church of Scientology front. The owners of that company are in jail at the current time, convicted of securities fraud (years after I left that company) And yes, when I was there, they did attempt to get me sucked into the cult of Scientology... Believe me, to this day my parents know as much about cults as they know about the WWII Japanese atrocities against the Chinese, which is to say - about nothing. I think sometime when I was 15 or so my Mom decided to clean out my room and found and tossed out all my porno mags. It was a sad day. :-( This was long after junior high school sex ed class so it saved both of us the embarassment of her finding out I knew more about sex than she did. ;-) You really need to concentrate on laying the firm sense of right and wrong, and forget about worrying about the nekkid pictures he or she may come across. For all my early exposure, I didn't get laid until I was 17. Just because you understand how the plumbing works doesen't mean that you just toss out your sense of right and wrong. > Say they are curious what the word milf means and they search for it... > that would be an eye opener! > > So right now I have a list of words that are blocked from URLS and a > large number of sites blacklisted gathered from other peoples lists > scavenged from google. > Well, there is something to be said for the idea that if you make it taboo you make it more attractive. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 06:11:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2872E16A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1196488847.0128c0@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (3s1.com [209.161.205.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52EA13C46E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:11:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1196488847.0128c0@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 3s1.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAQ60mnL068462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:00:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from david+dated+1196488847.0128c0@skytracker.ca) Received: (from david@localhost) by 3s1.com (8.13.8/8.14.1/Submit) id lAQ60mDu068407 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:00:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from david+dated+1196488847.0128c0@skytracker.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: 3s1.com: david set sender to david+dated+1196488847.0128c0@skytracker.ca using -f Received: by 3s1.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:00:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:00:46 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126060045.GA56895@skytracker.ca> References: <20071126004654.GA39514@skytracker.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126004654.GA39514@skytracker.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: David Banning X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on 3s1.com Cc: Subject: Re: Linux problem? - realplay and acroread die X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:11:34 -0000 It appears the problem was not Linux but X. I simply ran portupgrade on -all- my installed ports and as it turns out once the font ports were reinstalled all worked fine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 06:18:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EBF16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toreld@netscape.net) Received: from mail49.e.nsc.no (mail49.e.nsc.no [193.213.115.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5831713C459 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toreld@netscape.net) Received: from [84.202.103.148] (084202103148.customer.alfanett.no [84.202.103.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail49.nsc.no (8.13.8/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAPMwvE8017707 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:58:57 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:57:36 +0100 From: Tore Lund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:18:18 -0000 Ivan Voras wrote: > Dave wrote: >> Hello, >> How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any >> outstanding issues? > > Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as > well start using it now. > > It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly > test it for your own workload before using it in production. Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions? I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release. In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands than use the old, rickety sysinstall. -- Tore From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 06:34:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8279916A421 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:34:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from smtp102.math.arizona.edu (smtp102.math.arizona.edu [128.196.102.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680E013C474 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:34:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from Debian-exim by smtp102.math.arizona.edu with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IwXXd-00063U-Fr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:34:07 -0700 Received: from 71-220-154-82.tcsn.qwest.net ([71.220.154.82] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smtp102.math.arizona.edu with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IwXXW-000633-Ju; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: <474A6803.8020704@math.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:30:27 -0700 From: Predrag Punosevac User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <200711251737.46428.lumiwa@gmail.com> <474A444B.7030909@math.arizona.edu> <474a60e1.wgU6QFQEFd+I7NaT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <474a60e1.wgU6QFQEFd+I7NaT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Outgoing-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: K3b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:34:17 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >> BTW: I really gets annoyed when people say by the way >> it works in Linux, Windows, Solaris or whatever. >> What is that suppose to mean? >> > > When someone describes a problem getting a certain hardware setup > to work as desired in FreeBSD, and reports that it works in some > other OS, I would take it to mean that one need not suggest testing > the hardware, since it is already known to work properly in the > other environment. For someone who happens to be familiar with > whatever other OS was mentioned, it may also serve as an example > of the sort of operation that the poster was attempting to achieve > in FreeBSD. > I realized after replaying to the mail! I apologize to the sender of the original message for the tone of my post. Cheers, Predrag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 06:42:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B31516A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E41613C447 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id lAQ6MVAU073490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:22:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id lAQ6MVDu073488; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA09175; Sun, 25 Nov 07 22:00:22 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:00:01 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: punosevac@math.arizona.edu Message-Id: <474a60e1.wgU6QFQEFd+I7NaT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <200711251737.46428.lumiwa@gmail.com> <474A444B.7030909@math.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <474A444B.7030909@math.arizona.edu> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: K3b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:42:20 -0000 > BTW: I really gets annoyed when people say by the way > it works in Linux, Windows, Solaris or whatever. > What is that suppose to mean? When someone describes a problem getting a certain hardware setup to work as desired in FreeBSD, and reports that it works in some other OS, I would take it to mean that one need not suggest testing the hardware, since it is already known to work properly in the other environment. For someone who happens to be familiar with whatever other OS was mentioned, it may also serve as an example of the sort of operation that the poster was attempting to achieve in FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 06:50:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5197716A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:50:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuxgirl@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6E313C461 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:50:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuxgirl@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so560672nfb for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:50:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=V3W0gXbOOiCcyWrmCF2pvXNrcUQ83+k4svoycV464Fc=; b=jfiYVBLxkndrE3Ce5gkDtXiTJxIFocy+V2Sk+gF5ALqrnKeqstEFe6nM2oWtA4WNTa6Rq1m5nxY3lYoMVz/n9kqoLES+6EhGmpuZbo4Pmef+JyY9CSi/GfRatga1s06n2i4S6elI7AFVZu2UzKT7pYHpDGkONcVoIYC1DEDqlmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dbWM2C4tQlSnOpQ8e6b6WvBnBAkRWQVB9HKAjFyvyt/8GxhjoH54XySlbSpiNwaV80OFV9bEa8h+Je83WNPwJuTloXU92s4xtlDoqcpaDByAvioZ/XapU3enSN6HBgJImTUnYhZAYBcUG8EH0/ojPz/dl3uFgtF2gtDx11/7FZk= Received: by 10.78.147.6 with SMTP id u6mr2318998hud.1196058185085; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.152.16 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:23:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:23:05 -0800 From: "Erin McNew" To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:50:15 -0000 I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to have run into a bit of a snag. I just tried to print out a picture as a test, and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page of photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty (taught me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of photo paper in the printer...) Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people having this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong. I'm using the hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works perfectly for my other hp printer. Is this printer just not supported by FreeBSD? I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for things to check, etc. Thanks! ~TuxGirl -- http://www.tuxgirl.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 07:17:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D49916A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EFC13C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:17:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IwYDV-0007xS-30 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:17:17 +0000 Received: from 128-193-247-224.resnet.oregonstate.edu ([128.193.247.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:17:17 +0000 Received: from Z_kline by 128-193-247-224.resnet.oregonstate.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:17:17 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Zachary Kline" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:17:01 -0800 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <44079.9636221074$1196053676@news.gmane.org> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 128-193-247-224.resnet.oregonstate.edu X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071125-0, 11/25/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: news Subject: Re: Confusion about Ports and options framework X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:17:32 -0000 "RW" wrote in message news:44079.9636221074$1196053676@news.gmane.org... > On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:24:32 -0800 > "Zachary Kline" wrote: > >> Hi, >> I've read through the sections of the handbook quite carefully, >> and haven't quite found what I'm looking for. >> To be specific, I've no plans to install X11 or anything like it >> on this machine yet. I may do so in the future merely to see how >> accessible Gnome and such are, but not now. >> I note that /usr/ports/editors/emacs has several environment >> variables which can be set, such as WITHOUT_X11. > Call me dense, if you like. I'm not quite sure how to do that. Would a simple WITHOUT_X11=YES or similar pull it off? I got the impression those were environment variables, and not something specific to make. But my software development knowledge in this area is next to nothing. I guess I have to get used to reading manpages. Looking through the one on make.conf left me imperfectly edified. It's hard to know when I'd actually need to change anything in there for practical use. Any help would be much appreciated, Zack. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 07:23:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA5216A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835E613C461 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so228979nzf for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:23:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y+kEBmyKTslih4Wm3GfcZ+C1U+H5F7/n2pVEGItb3l8=; b=RNaXTU4WFZcf0oqyskbqwpe4HfIvOWz28LZt6HRFkYCkPJ0Z6q+zqFJALvf57JUf4RjvgqfGhposPseG9s5S2mYsU4Qga5KlwFHyzFt9fC4y3RMqhtnHP2re7af3SjlCSHGAWLMAMajDrEDv4GkdeHH2gBq8cEIDN2XB4yULwjs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TI70f8qggC3Nac0rMNIyueloMkFLlcoHdXrY4X34UczqvjQrJ57IG9Zc4ZCHf2J6TfH05B34lIpSiahYNiX4PLtb61v9HBO0iMG686PbuWn1Q91gWv5fMC26T9kFZ0d8koNW5FfXMtA1aNV4C2KjssB+e9qT2o+7RZ4SHUPeWMk= Received: by 10.65.231.20 with SMTP id i20mr5184673qbr.1196060092516; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:54:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e13sm917317qba.2007.11.25.22.54.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:54:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474A6DBB.6020705@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:54:51 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erin McNew References: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:23:58 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erin McNew wrote: > I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to have > run into a bit of a snag. I just tried to print out a picture as a test, > and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page of > photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty (taught > me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of > photo paper in the printer...) > Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people having > this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong. I'm using the > hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works > perfectly for my other hp printer. Is this printer just not supported by > FreeBSD? I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my > quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for > things to check, etc. My 6980 has the same problem with hpijs and hplip... try cups (it should autodetect) - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSm26J9+1V27SttsRAmvKAKCNmRnACVy4blTZ/VfTDCKHLa2tKQCfdhZD yn4yMOzU/5U4K65hG2Kljxg= =K2OD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 07:28:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9107B16A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:28:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B41413C457 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAQ7RRHd028863; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:27:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6B31DB8F8; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:27:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:27:27 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Olivier Nicole Message-ID: <20071126072727.GA3259@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Olivier Nicole , fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com, bob@tania.servebbs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20071121221955.10f80f09@tania.servebbs.org> <20071123032011.57dcfc96@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200711260452.lAQ4qVuN098618@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200711260452.lAQ4qVuN098618@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com, bob@tania.servebbs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Personalised patches in ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:28:09 -0000 --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:52:31AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, >=20 > > > How can I incorporate my patch into the portupgrade system, so that an > > > upgrade of Xpdf will apply my patch? If I download the bzip file, > > > apply the patch, re-bzip the sources, and then try to force an > > > upgrade, the checksum fails (as expected). > > >=20 > > > How does one do thes properly? > >=20 > > It's actually much easier than in Linux, since the ports system already > > has to do this. Each port has a files directory into which you can put > > patches, which will get applied automatically each time you build. See > > the porter's handbook for details: >=20 > But wouldn't that personnal patch file be erased by next cvsup of the > ports? Not if you 'chflags schg,sunlnk' it.=20 Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHSnVfEnfvsMMhpyURAosaAJ9MXjC/mw2+wVhTwCwkZUTWqxT2JQCgo/rH xUtQ+XvmSYUS5hxdWWt3k2U= =vVjq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 07:28:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C1016A506 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takhoos@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C7213C478 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takhoos@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY124-W13 ([207.46.11.176]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:28:07 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.166.97.35] From: To: jekillen , User Questions Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:28:07 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6c21f52f0a910238c10964614d1f1102@prodigy.net> References: <6c21f52f0a910238c10964614d1f1102@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2007 07:28:08.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4196500:01C82FFD] Cc: Subject: RE: named problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:28:16 -0000 ---------------------------------------- > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > From: jekillen@prodigy.net > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:19:27 -0800 > Subject: named problems >=20 > Hello; > I am having some named problems: > The daemon will not start and run on system startup. Add this line to the rc.conf file located in /etc and reboot: named_enable=3D"YES" -- Joe _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.=A0 Join i= n. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 07:45:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F3516A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from hunter.Sisis.de (hunter.sisis.de [193.31.11.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730C413C44B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: (from mail@localhost) by hunter.Sisis.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24748; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:20:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from ppp-82-135-5-246.dynamic.mnet-online.de(82.135.5.246) by hunter.Sisis.de via smap (V2.1) id xmaa24740; Mon, 26 Nov 07 08:20:45 +0100 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lAQ7R0Vx003298; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:27:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to m.apitz@oclcpica.org using -f Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:27:00 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Erin McNew Message-ID: <20071126072700.GA3275@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE (i386) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:45:19 -0000 El día Sunday, November 25, 2007 a las 10:23:05PM -0800, Erin McNew escribió: > I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to have > run into a bit of a snag. I just tried to print out a picture as a test, > and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page of > photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty (taught > me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of > photo paper in the printer...) > Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people having > this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong. I'm using the > hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works > perfectly for my other hp printer. Is this printer just not supported by > FreeBSD? I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my > quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for > things to check, etc. > > Thanks! > ~TuxGirl Maybe it could help if you explain exactly how do you print the file, from command line or from some kind of application? The PCL across the top of one page, does it looks like stairs? I.e. does start the 2nd line where 1st line ends? matthias -- Matthias Apitz e - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ Don't top-post, read RFC1855 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 08:04:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6A916A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from smtp102.math.arizona.edu (smtp102.math.arizona.edu [128.196.102.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA94313C478 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from Debian-exim by smtp102.math.arizona.edu with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IwYwp-00069R-O4 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:04:13 -0700 Received: from 71-220-154-82.tcsn.qwest.net ([71.220.154.82] helo=.domain.actdsltmp) by smtp102.math.arizona.edu with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IwYwa-00068w-Qu; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:03:53 -0700 Message-ID: <474A7DE5.7010405@math.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:03:49 -0700 From: Predrag Punosevac User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070916) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> <474A6DBB.6020705@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474A6DBB.6020705@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ACL-Warn: The HELO/EHLO greeting .domain.actdsltmp is invalid X-Outgoing-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Erin McNew Subject: Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:04:14 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Erin McNew wrote: > >> I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to have >> run into a bit of a snag. I just tried to print out a picture as a test, >> and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page of >> photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty (taught >> me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of >> photo paper in the printer...) >> Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people >> > having > >> this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong. I'm using the >> hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works >> perfectly for my other hp printer. Is this printer just not supported by >> FreeBSD? I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my >> quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for >> things to check, etc. >> > > My 6980 has the same problem with hpijs and hplip... try cups (it > should autodetect) > > > Printing under Linux and FreeBSD are for all practical purposes identical. If it works under Linux is should work under FreeBSD. Which printer spooler are you using LPD, LPRng, CUPS, HPLIP/CUPS or PDQ? I personally like to use native LPD spooler. Since your printer is supported by hpijs the driver is included in apsfilter (or apsfilter will install hpijs port by default) which you compile form ports /usr/ports/print/apsfilter lpd_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf file Alter the permission so that the daemon can access the printer as /etc/devfs.conf perm lpt0 0666 #for parallel port printer perm ulpt0 0666 #for USB printer Then cd /usr/local/share/apsfilter and run the script ./SETUP The rest is self-explanatory. If you get a message about your version of ghostscript just ignore. You probably have much newer version of Ghostscript than apsfilter expect to find. The apsfilter is more than a filter. It will help you edit your printcup file, it will convert files to ps and finally it will let you choose the drivers . The only drivers which from the apsfilter list are gutenprint drivers. If you need them make sure your compile gutenprint with the tag without CUPS. || If you need more complicated printer policies you probably want to use LPRng or CUPS. This is the link to beautiful HPLIP how to http://dsteinbrook.googlepages.com/hpliponfreebsd Make sure you read the thing about the kernel. Bare in mind couple of thins. HPLIP does not support parallel port printers! Whatever they say on HPLIP forum is lie. They do not despite the fact that hpijs did. They support parallel port printers which are free standing printer servers via the web not by attaching them directly. The proper way to enable HPLIP is to start HPLIP daemons first and than CUPS daemon by let say editing /etc/rc.conf file and rebooting. The proper way to add the printer to HPLIP is to use CUPS http://localhost:631 and add the printer and then use HPLIP-toolbox and other goodies. HPLIP will just unlock full functionality of your printer. (Toner status, all in one devices etc) Do not forget to put lpd_enable="NO" in /etc/rc.conf and hide native lp,lps,lpr,lpq commands so that you can use the same CUPS commands. If you need PPD file for your printer you can download from http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting but you can also generate your own using foomantic-rip. I gave you sort of general how to. If you have more specific questions and can generate some log files that would help a lot. Cheers, Predrag > - -- > Aryeh M. 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Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <474A577F.3090307@gmail.com> <20071126054636.GA5961@eos.sc1.parodius.com> In-Reply-To: <20071126054636.GA5961@eos.sc1.parodius.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:00:55 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 BTW I a redirected this to -questions > > > You should be able to set up a local mailer/MTA (sendmail, postfix, > etc.) and tell it to use your ISP's mail server on TCP port 25, and it > all should just "magically work" unless they require SMTP AUTH (not many > do from what I've seen; they base authentication on the source IP of > customers). > > sendmail refers to this feature as SMART_HOST, while postfix refers to > it as a transport destination (see transport(5)). I have not set the MTA up yet for it but I did test it with thunderbird... an other question how can I set it up that I can receive mail (dynamic IP and 25 inbound is blocked)? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSotEJ9+1V27SttsRAt9YAJ4jChELEEMCUfcdaGbN0cBbTNR6hwCgobMA c0b8rVYs9bcZeAlxLtmv2AE= =BwaS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 09:07:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1723016A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:07:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772F113C4DB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from lack-of-gravitas.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQ96kH1037770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:06:51 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Message-ID: <474A8CA5.60300@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:06:45 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071101) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Nicole , fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com, bob@tania.servebbs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20071121221955.10f80f09@tania.servebbs.org> <20071123032011.57dcfc96@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200711260452.lAQ4qVuN098618@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20071126072727.GA3259@slackbox.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20071126072727.GA3259@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:06:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4915/Mon Nov 26 07:43:40 2007 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Subject: Re: Personalised patches in ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:07:26 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:52:31AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: >> Hi, >> >>>> How can I incorporate my patch into the portupgrade system, so that an >>>> upgrade of Xpdf will apply my patch? If I download the bzip file, >>>> apply the patch, re-bzip the sources, and then try to force an >>>> upgrade, the checksum fails (as expected). >>>> >>>> How does one do thes properly? >>> It's actually much easier than in Linux, since the ports system already >>> has to do this. Each port has a files directory into which you can put >>> patches, which will get applied automatically each time you build. See >>> the porter's handbook for details: >> But wouldn't that personnal patch file be erased by next cvsup of the >> ports? > > Not if you 'chflags schg,sunlnk' it. If you add another file into a ports' files directory that cvsup knows nothing about, then cvsup will refuse to touch it. No need for chflags in that case. If you need to make local modifications to a file already in that directory, then yes, cvsup will replace it with the canonical version next time you update. 'portsnap extract' or 'portsnap update' will however blow away local additions in the part of the ports tree it is operating on -- there are clear warnings to that effect in the man page. chflags will preserve your changes in this case, but my guess is that portsnap might well abort in the middle of what it's doing if it runs into an immutable file. You could be exceedingly sneaky though and use a union mount -- keep a pristine copy of the ports tree as the base layer, maintained by portsnap or cvsup or how you will -- and keep all your modifications in an overlay. See mount_unionfs(8) -- although this page still contains the 'BEWARE OF THE DOG' warning on RELENG_6, I believe that the outstanding bugs with unionfs have been fixed, and that it is now recognised as safe to use. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSoyl3jDkPpsZ+VYRA5hQAJ0aT4bf1MVDaDmLcmiT4zR0qdwApQCglcI5 1Vf1jMy474rTJemuPQY7zRA= =qtP7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 10:13:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D542416A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614FC13C455 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IwayH-00047y-RP for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:13:45 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:13:45 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:13:45 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:18:15 +0100 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070801) In-Reply-To: <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> Sender: news Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:13:53 -0000 Tore Lund wrote: > Ivan Voras wrote: >> Dave wrote: >>> Hello, >>> How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any >>> outstanding issues? >> Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as >> well start using it now. >> >> It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly >> test it for your own workload before using it in production. > > Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions? > I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to > me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release. It depends. As I see it, current and stable lists are used more by knowledgeable people who can more accurately pinpoint a problem and possibly provide a solution, while questions is for "everyone else". Between current and stable it's a more complex choice. There's no "7-STABLE" yet but there is RELENG_7 so people tend to post on both in this intermediate period. > In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any > packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 > when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command > line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from > 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. I don't know if 7.0-BETA3 has packages on the CD - I think in the past only release CDs had proper support for on-CD packages. > Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have > read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of > 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands > than use the old, rickety sysinstall. Yes there was, and I'm working on it. Unfortunately, late in the development cycle of 7 (BETA2) there was a bug introduced in the kernel which collides with my work so far so the development of the installer is essentially paused until the bug is fixed. More unfortunately, it looks like the bug will not be fixed for 7.0-RELEASE so there will not be a new installer for 7.0-RELEASE. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 10:19:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F9816A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:19:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427A313C46B; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:19:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474A9DCD.6020500@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:19:57 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tore Lund References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> In-Reply-To: <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:19:50 -0000 Tore Lund wrote: > Ivan Voras wrote: >> Dave wrote: >>> Hello, >>> How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any >>> outstanding issues? >> Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as >> well start using it now. >> >> It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly >> test it for your own workload before using it in production. > > Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions? > I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to > me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release. freebsd-stable is probably best. > In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any > packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 > when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command > line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from > 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release cycle. > Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have > read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of > 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands > than use the old, rickety sysinstall. One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to replace sysinstall. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 10:37:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E5316A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc3-cdif2-0-0-cust64.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.106.128.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF94013C44B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IwajZ-0003Fg-N8; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:58:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:58:33 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126095833.GA6422@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: Subject: Strange kernel log message X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:37:47 -0000 --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So I have this in my security run output: kernel log messages: +++ /tmp/security.hLYJI0kF Sun Nov 25 03:01:02 2007 +<<<<222>2>>>NNNMNMMIII M III SIISAS SAAA 3 303,020,0 ,, EE IEIIESSSAIAA= S A f ffffff + + +f WTF now? I'm not sure if that's a real kernel message that got garbled or whether I should be worried about naughtiness. Ceri --=20 That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHSpjJocfcwTS3JF8RAkrQAJ0SZCW+QfvrMou7y4DCWUA5QyMz0wCguXyV 1f9RBJTEgjBb/kDoNCrwlAA= =XGBO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 10:46:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD3616A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristi@net.utcluj.ro) Received: from bavaria.utcluj.ro (unknown [IPv6:2001:b30:5000:2:20e:cff:fe4b:ca01]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8142A13C4E7 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristi@net.utcluj.ro) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bavaria.utcluj.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D2B50851; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:46:12 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: by the daemon playing with your mail on local.mail.utcluj.ro Received: from bavaria.utcluj.ro ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bavaria.utcluj.ro [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kYakpQOTcpQ3; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:46:03 +0200 (EET) Received: from [172.27.2.200] (c7.campus.utcluj.ro [193.226.6.226]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bavaria.utcluj.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9023150898; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:45:57 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <474AA3E4.7020807@net.utcluj.ro> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:45:56 +0200 From: Cristian KLEIN User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Venturoli References: <47469D3F.1070207@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <47469D3F.1070207@netfence.it> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portaudit in periodic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:46:14 -0000 Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > I'm running a dozen boxes (most being 6.2) with portaudit installed and > I usually get a port vulnerability report in the daily security run. > > On one box, however, portaudit's db won't update automatically. The > security reports will mention no vulnerability, even when I know they > are there. > Running "periodic daily" from a shell does it all for good, so that for > a few days I'll see the correct warnings. I used to have problem with cron scripts, because cron uses another PATH then what the script gets if it's run from the shell. Could you try the following (assuming sh): export SHELL=/bin/sh export PATH=/etc:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin export HOME=/var/log periodic daily From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 10:55:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0161B16A421 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from rn-out-0102.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B953213C45D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by rn-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s42so108069rnb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.49.15 with SMTP id w15mr305478ybw.1196074522906; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [67.189.206.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 45sm1850257wri.2007.11.26.02.55.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:55:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:55:35 -0500 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: Seibercom.net In-Reply-To: <20071126024947.GC5574@kobe.laptop> References: <20071126020110.GG29622@demeter.hydra> <20071126024947.GC5574@kobe.laptop> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20071126055430.5FCE.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.42 [en] Subject: Re: top posting (off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:55:24 -0000 > On November 25, 2007 at 09:49PM Giorgos Keramidas wrote: [ snip ] > The footnote was easy to understand after a quick Wikipedia search: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting > > Quoting the text (so list members don't have to actually repeat the > search): > > Some maintain that top-posting is _never_ appropriate, and refer to > it jokingly as the "TOFU" method (from the German "text oben, > fullquote unten", sometimes translated "text over, fullquote > under") [...] > > Nice one. I had not heard of "TOFU posting" before :) There are some more interesting meaning here: http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=tofu&Find=find&string=exact -- Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 10:57:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C756816A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:57:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from rn-out-0102.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A58313C4CE for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:57:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by rn-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s42so108507rnb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.185.14 with SMTP id i14mr306907ybf.1196074644096; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [67.189.206.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g3sm1856130wra.2007.11.26.02.57.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:57:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:57:38 -0500 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: Seibercom.net In-Reply-To: References: <3710.10.202.77.103.1196026478.squirrel@webmail.superhero.nl> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20071126055614.5FD1.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.42 [en] Subject: Re: short Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:57:25 -0000 > On November 25, 2007 at 09:51PM jekillen wrote: [ snip ] > Thank you all for responses. > I did get this straightened out: > It is mysql_enable="YES" > and putting a script named mysql > in the /etc/rc.d directory with the > lines; > #! /bin/sh > /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql & > did the trick. This is what the mysql docs > prescribe for starting the server. Perhaps > that is not the best way to go about it at > system start, but it works. > Thanks again; > Jeff K Did you install this from ports? If so. the script would have been placed there all ready. -- Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 10:58:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4482916A46C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristi@net.utcluj.ro) Received: from bavaria.utcluj.ro (unknown [IPv6:2001:b30:5000:2:20e:cff:fe4b:ca01]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4DC13C4D9 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristi@net.utcluj.ro) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bavaria.utcluj.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B32350888; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:58:19 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: by the daemon playing with your mail on local.mail.utcluj.ro Received: from bavaria.utcluj.ro ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bavaria.utcluj.ro [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JdLN-frn8iAs; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:58:09 +0200 (EET) Received: from [172.27.2.200] (c7.campus.utcluj.ro [193.226.6.226]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bavaria.utcluj.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACA750844; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:58:09 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <474AA6C1.6040908@net.utcluj.ro> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:58:09 +0200 From: Cristian KLEIN User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gert Lynge References: <20071122155640.fa7e0536.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071123092146.E0E1B2878E@smtp.proximedia.com> <14989d6e0711230545k4b32c55bs3564647043f9f4ed@mail.gmail.com> <20071123150500.GA85473@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <01e301c82dfa$f049c720$d0dd5560$@org> In-Reply-To: <01e301c82dfa$f049c720$d0dd5560$@org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SV: RAID1 synchronisation - howto OR not necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:21 -0000 Gert Lynge wrote: >> The disks themselves handle the checksumming to detect bad blocks. >> With modern disks it is *very* rare that a block on the disk goes bad >> without the disk being able to report it it as such. >> This means that if you have a functioning RAID1 setup and one of the >> disks report a bad block, then the controller can simply read the >> corresponding block from the other disk, and rewrite it to the disk >> with the bad block. If a disk has problems writing a block it will >> transparently re-map the block to another. >> The problems can occur when one disk in a RAID-array has failed and you >> try to rebuild it from the other disk(s). If you then encounter a bad block >> on that disk you have a problem since you don't have a good copy of that >> block. >> This is what verification (which, btw, is not the same as synchronization) >> tries to prevent by reading every block on each disk on a regular basis. >> Then the RAID controller can recover the data on any bad blocks from the >> other disk(s) in the array. > > I've been wondering how to do this with a BIOS assisted soft raid for some > time. > I have a server with ad4 ad6 in a mirror detected as ar0: > ---- > ws# atacontrol status ar0 > ar0: ATA RAID1 subdisks: ad4 ad6 status: READY > ---- > ws# cat /var/run/dmesg.boot > [...] > ar0: 76316MB status: READY > ar0: disk0 READY (master) using ad4 at ata2-master > ar0: disk1 READY (mirror) using ad6 at ata3-master > [...] > ---- > > ...and was wondering if dd could not do the job for me? > ---- > ws# man dd > [...] > EXAMPLES > Check that a disk drive contains no bad blocks: > dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/null bs=1m > [...] > ---- > > What if I run: > dd if=/dev/ad4 /of=/dev/null bs=1m > dd if=/dev/ad6 /of=/dev/null bs=1m > > ...once a week - will that not verify that the two drives can read all > blocks? > > It would be nice to limit the load (the throughput of dd) though - anyone > know if that is possible? Maybe by pipeing through a second command (I guess > a throughput limiter could easily be programmed?). Hi, For achieving this, I use smartmontools and program smartd to regularly issue an „offline test†to the drive. I receive a mail if any bad sector is found. The good thing is that this verification happens in the drive itself and reading / writing from the drive will automatically suspend the test. This gives the feeling that the test is done without any performance penality. The bad thing is that this verification happens in the drive itself. If the drive has a faulty firmware[1], or if other errors (such as problems with IDE cables occur), these won't be detected. All in all, smartd + geom_mirror gives me more confidence that I won't lose data. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:03:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C28716A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:03:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toreld@netscape.net) Received: from mail43.e.nsc.no (mail43.e.nsc.no [193.213.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21F913C468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:03:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toreld@netscape.net) Received: from [84.202.201.242] (084202201242.customer.alfanett.no [84.202.201.242]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail43.nsc.no (8.13.8/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAQB3LL4001456 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:03:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <474AA7E8.90003@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:03:04 +0100 From: Tore Lund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:03:24 -0000 Ivan Voras wrote: > Tore Lund wrote: >> Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have >> read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of >> 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands >> than use the old, rickety sysinstall. > > Yes there was, and I'm working on it. Unfortunately, late in the > development cycle of 7 (BETA2) there was a bug introduced in the kernel > which collides with my work so far so the development of the installer > is essentially paused until the bug is fixed. More unfortunately, it > looks like the bug will not be fixed for 7.0-RELEASE so there will not > be a new installer for 7.0-RELEASE. Thank you for the effort on the install system. And thanks to you and Kris for some answers. -- Tore From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:09:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD07616A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AB713C447 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so110001ele for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.42.6 with SMTP id p6mr1550663wxp.1196075343766; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [67.189.206.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h35sm4728104wxd.2007.11.26.03.09.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:09:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:09:18 -0500 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: Seibercom.net In-Reply-To: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20071126060523.5FD4.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.42 [en] Subject: Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:09:08 -0000 > On November 26, 2007 at 01:23AM Erin McNew wrote: > I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to have > run into a bit of a snag. I just tried to print out a picture as a test, > and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page of > photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty (taught > me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of > photo paper in the printer...) > Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people having > this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong. I'm using the > hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works > perfectly for my other hp printer. Is this printer just not supported by > FreeBSD? I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my > quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for > things to check, etc. Do you have the 'hplip' port installed (/print/hplip)? You can find information regarding it here: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/. I am presently using it with a C6180 and it works fine. It was the first time I got that machine to work right under anything but Windows. According to the web site, your printer is supported. You will need cups installed to make it all work correctly however, or at least I did. -- Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:16:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AEB16A41B; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601C913C46E; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (vader.bytemobile-rio.ondsl.gr [83.235.57.37]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lAQBG81b016990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:16:31 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAQBG3FM002477; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:16:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lAQBFxwk002476; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:59 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:59 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071126111559.GB2283@kobe.laptop> References: <474A577F.3090307@gmail.com> <20071126054636.GA5961@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <474A8B44.1010909@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474A8B44.1010909@gmail.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.999, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.40, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:16:48 -0000 On 2007-11-26 04:00, "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: >BTW I a redirected this to -questions >> You should be able to set up a local mailer/MTA (sendmail, postfix, >> etc.) and tell it to use your ISP's mail server on TCP port 25, and >> it all should just "magically work" unless they require SMTP AUTH >> (not many do from what I've seen; they base authentication on the >> source IP of customers). >> >> sendmail refers to this feature as SMART_HOST, while postfix refers >> to it as a transport destination (see transport(5)). > > I have not set the MTA up yet for it but I did test it with > thunderbird... an other question how can I set it up that I can > receive mail (dynamic IP and 25 inbound is blocked)? Thunderbird doesn't necessarily go through an SMTP connection to the local host, so it may work with or without a local MTA installation & setup (depending on which host you forward outgoing email). If you set up Thunderbird to use `localhost' for outgoing email, then you have to also configure a local MTA (Sendmail, Postfix, or qmail are popular choices). I don't think there's an easy way to set up the local Sendmail installation to *receive* email from the world without some sort of `static address' though. To do that, you would have to work with your ISP, so that: * Your address does not change semi-randomly or ramdonly. * Your fully qualified domain resolves correctly and its MX records point to your static IP address. * Your incoming port 25 traffic is not filtered. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:17:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D450416A46C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from rn-out-0102.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9866713C4CE for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by rn-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s42so112600rnb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.199.21 with SMTP id w21mr313151ybf.1196075831762; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [67.189.206.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 71sm1855735wry.2007.11.26.03.17.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:17:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:17:26 -0500 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: Seibercom.net In-Reply-To: <474A8B44.1010909@gmail.com> References: <20071126054636.GA5961@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <474A8B44.1010909@gmail.com> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20071126061047.5FD7.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.42 [en] Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:17:12 -0000 > On November 26, 2007 at 04:00AM Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > You should be able to set up a local mailer/MTA (sendmail, postfix, > > etc.) and tell it to use your ISP's mail server on TCP port 25, and it > > all should just "magically work" unless they require SMTP AUTH (not many > > do from what I've seen; they base authentication on the source IP of > > customers). > > > > sendmail refers to this feature as SMART_HOST, while postfix refers to > > it as a transport destination (see transport(5)). > > I have not set the MTA up yet for it but I did test it with > thunderbird... an other question how can I set it up that I can > receive mail (dynamic IP and 25 inbound is blocked)? If you attempt to send mail using a dynamic IP, it is going to be blocked by most MTAs since it fails reverse DNS checking. I am assuming that you are attempting to bypass your ISP. You have to get a static IP from your provider. With port 25 presently blocked, you might consider using something like mail relaying/forwarding from a service like DYNDNS: http://www.dyndns.com/. -- Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:20:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCF116A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CED13C442 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF3D13A79B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-141-157-246-57.ny325.east.verizon.net [141.157.246.57]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA6F1699F for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:20:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:20:39 +0000 From: Bob Richards To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126112039.485bb4a8@tania.servebbs.org> Organization: blythe Systems X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) X-Face: +\{75whsIB]=i--WqkV^U>!y`<~%(FUd, DQs, &e1yLt==9%It?7#?n>%Splqb, lDIEu%WsB7o+6k2n`6Q5Fl, vJei{$-.KlHPHu/.~VuE=C[}lQmL}>V1t\yTn2iTwCfM`% Face: 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 X-WebDesign: www.lithium-design.com X-Consulting: www.blythe-systems.com X-Terminate: George W Bush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RELENG_6_1 to RELENG_6_2 upgrade question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:20:48 -0000 I am currently running: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p20 #2 After reading the docs, it appears the procedure to upgrade from 6.1 to 6.2 is the following: 1) Change: default release=cvs tag=RELENG_6_1 to tag=RELENG_6_2 in /usr/local/etc/cvsup/cvsupfile 2) run cvsup /usr/local/etc/cvsup/cvsupfile to get the new base and kernel sources 3) run portsnap fetch update to update the ports tree 4) go through the procedure outlined in: file:///usr/share/doc/handbook/makeworld.html This will leave me with FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE at the latest patch level for that release yes? I do NOT need to portupgrade -a since this is a minor version upgrade right? TIA Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:22:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5658C16A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25CE13C4EB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (vader.bytemobile-rio.ondsl.gr [83.235.57.37]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lAQBLDCH017387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:21:27 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAQBL7Mh002568; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:21:07 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lAQBL70n002567; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:21:07 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:21:07 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Ceri Davies Message-ID: <20071126112106.GC2283@kobe.laptop> References: <20071126095833.GA6422@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126095833.GA6422@submonkey.net> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.999, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.40, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange kernel log message X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:22:23 -0000 On 2007-11-26 09:58, Ceri Davies wrote: > So I have this in my security run output: > kernel log messages: > +++ /tmp/security.hLYJI0kF Sun Nov 25 03:01:02 2007 > +<<<<222>2>>>NNNMNMMIII M III SIISAS SAAA 3 303,020,0 ,, EE IEIIESSSAIAA S A f ffffff > + > + > +f > > WTF now? > > I'm not sure if that's a real kernel message that got garbled or whether > I should be worried about naughtiness. It looks like multiple messages overlapping each other. Removing 3 characters every 4 bytes in the output produces things which seem vaguely recognizable: <22NNI II A ,,,EISA fff <<2>NMI SS 300 ISAAfff There's a sysctl option which you can tweak to make this less likely to happen, but I am not sure about its name. Our console gurus can help you track it down and tune its value :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:28:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC0116A46E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org (cpc5-cmbg1-0-0-cust497.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.6.1.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DBC13C4EB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:28:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id 33CF76108; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:28:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9168560E2 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:28:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from danielby@localhost) by torus.slightlystrange.org (8.14.2/8.13.4/Submit) id lAQBSiFr028131 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:28:44 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:28:44 +0000 From: Daniel Bye To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126112844.GA21308@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20071126112039.485bb4a8@tania.servebbs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126112039.485bb4a8@tania.servebbs.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A Subject: Re: RELENG_6_1 to RELENG_6_2 upgrade question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:28:54 -0000 --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:20:39AM +0000, Bob Richards wrote: >=20 > I am currently running: > FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p20 #2 >=20 > After reading the docs, it appears the procedure to upgrade from 6.1 to > 6.2 is the following: >=20 > 1) Change: default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_6_1 to tag=3DRELENG_6_2 > in /usr/local/etc/cvsup/cvsupfile >=20 > 2) run cvsup /usr/local/etc/cvsup/cvsupfile to get the new base and > kernel sources >=20 > 3) run portsnap fetch update to update the ports tree >=20 > 4) go through the procedure outlined in: > file:///usr/share/doc/handbook/makeworld.html >=20 > This will leave me with FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE at the latest patch > level for that release yes?=20 Yes. You might prefer to wait a little while longer, and go straight to 6.3, which is on its way soon. >=20 > I do NOT need to portupgrade -a since this is a minor version upgrade > right? Take a look at both /usr/src/UPDATING and /usr/ports/UPDATING before you start - if there are any special cases, they will be noted here. Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHSq3sixf5fBYiFmoRAojCAJ9rcRr6fSq/EZr/ggjjc8Vrd2ofMQCeNmNd 0kUslZrbciDKIuWvmq2FmeQ= =y1Nm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:50:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B79B16A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mesiob.obspm.fr (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDD213C455 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:50:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from localhost (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by mesiob.obspm.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/SIO Observatoire de Paris) with ESMTP id lAQBoM7W032562 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:50:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:50:22 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:50:22 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on mesiob.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:50:34 -0000 Hi all I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. I try again and hope there more solution I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6 sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks. Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for increase the perf ? Regards -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Heure local/Local time: Lun 26 nov 2007 12:46:06 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:58:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D4416A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.catrysse@proximedia.be) Received: from smtp.proximedia.com (popop.online.be [194.88.108.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4D713C43E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.catrysse@proximedia.be) Received: from TEC04 (unknown [194.88.104.244]) by smtp.proximedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB21928C76 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:58:16 +0100 (CET) From: "Jan Catrysse" To: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:47 +0100 Organization: Proximedia Belgium S.A. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> Thread-Index: AcgwIs3P2IrNKbYrT9KjYKYE5lAragAAPiuQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-Id: <20071126115816.DB21928C76@smtp.proximedia.com> Subject: RE: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:58:19 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Albert Shih > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:50 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Help for very bad perf for MySQL > > Hi all > > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer > :-(. I try again and hope there more solution > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm > running Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL > is very bad. For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on > some basic Linux it's take 0.6 sec). And I think this is > nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think FreeBSD 7.0 > can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. > > The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks. > > Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for > increase the perf ? > > Regards > -- > Albert SHIH > Observatoire de Paris Meudon > SIO batiment 15 > Heure local/Local time: > Lun 26 nov 2007 12:46:06 CET 6 seconds seem to be an awful lot. What kind of query are you running on what kind of database / contents? Regs, Jan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 12:00:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D123D16A4E1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F6B13C468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4513480C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-141-157-246-57.ny325.east.verizon.net [141.157.246.57]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9B21699A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:00:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:00:30 +0000 From: Bob Richards To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126120030.0851e33f@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <20071126112844.GA21308@torus.slightlystrange.org> References: <20071126112039.485bb4a8@tania.servebbs.org> <20071126112844.GA21308@torus.slightlystrange.org> Organization: blythe Systems X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) X-Face: +\{75whsIB]=i--WqkV^U>!y`<~%(FUd, DQs, &e1yLt==9%It?7#?n>%Splqb, lDIEu%WsB7o+6k2n`6Q5Fl, vJei{$-.KlHPHu/.~VuE=C[}lQmL}>V1t\yTn2iTwCfM`% Face: 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 X-WebDesign: www.lithium-design.com X-Consulting: www.blythe-systems.com X-Terminate: George W Bush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/JD7ZQLVzG6kkd0DvAPyxB_U"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: RELENG_6_1 to RELENG_6_2 upgrade question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:00:50 -0000 --Sig_/JD7ZQLVzG6kkd0DvAPyxB_U Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:28:44 +0000 Daniel Bye wrote: > Yes. You might prefer to wait a little while longer, and go straight > to 6.3, which is on its way soon. >=20 Indeed. Thanks for the heads up. Guess I better subscribe to freebsd-announce! What sort of kick-started this was the fact that there is no longer a 6.1-release packages directory on the ftp servers. Most everything here is ports, so I didn't notice till I tried to test install something via packages and couldn't. I'll wait for 6.3 Thanks again Bob --=20 _ /o\ // \\ The ASCII \\ // Ribbon Campaign \V/ Against HTML /A\ eMail! // \\ --Sig_/JD7ZQLVzG6kkd0DvAPyxB_U Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHSrVeCiULygfUvEMRAli4AKCEaYPxIMFGCDiDwzwNXrLqb63D7gCgpHOM j/rBDR3grJdHRvRUU9KLRUU= =5o/u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/JD7ZQLVzG6kkd0DvAPyxB_U-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 12:01:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6A816A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from l2mail1.panix.com (l2mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5147013C46E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by l2mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AF35C087 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0176D3482A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-141-157-246-57.ny325.east.verizon.net [141.157.246.57]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728C91699A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:45:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:45:25 +0000 From: Bob Richards To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126114525.338f3935@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <20071126111559.GB2283@kobe.laptop> References: <474A577F.3090307@gmail.com> <20071126054636.GA5961@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <474A8B44.1010909@gmail.com> <20071126111559.GB2283@kobe.laptop> Organization: blythe Systems X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) X-Face: +\{75whsIB]=i--WqkV^U>!y`<~%(FUd, DQs, &e1yLt==9%It?7#?n>%Splqb, lDIEu%WsB7o+6k2n`6Q5Fl, vJei{$-.KlHPHu/.~VuE=C[}lQmL}>V1t\yTn2iTwCfM`% Face: 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 X-WebDesign: www.lithium-design.com X-Consulting: www.blythe-systems.com X-Terminate: George W Bush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:01:50 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:59 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > I don't think there's an easy way to set up the local Sendmail > installation to *receive* email from the world without some sort of > `static address' though. Actually there is an easy way, I do it here at my work station which is on a boat, and uses many different modes of connectivity. All of which are floating IPs. Get a domain name at dyndns. ANYTHING.servebbs.com/net/org. (it's free) You can also DNS any domain you own for about $29.00/Year, and simply MX your mail to your dynamic domain machine on a variety of alternative ports. Install ddclient on your machine; it will keep your IP updated at dyndns. Install an mta, like sendmail, and smart-host it to your ISP; or smart-host it to dyndns if your ISP can't/won't do it. I have been doing this for about 2 years now, and have had no problems at all. Bob -- _ /o\ // \\ The ASCII \\ // Ribbon Campaign \V/ Against HTML /A\ eMail! // \\ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 12:03:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B2316A469 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:03:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mesiob.obspm.fr (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EAD13C474 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:03:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from localhost (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by mesiob.obspm.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/SIO Observatoire de Paris) with ESMTP id lAQC3Jlf003841; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:03:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:03:19 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Jan Catrysse Message-ID: <20071126120319.GA70494@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20071126115816.DB21928C76@smtp.proximedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20071126115816.DB21928C76@smtp.proximedia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:03:19 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on mesiob.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:03:21 -0000 Le 26/11/2007 à 13:01:47+0100, Jan Catrysse a écrit > > -----Original Message----- > > > > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer > > :-(. I try again and hope there more solution > > > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm > > running Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL > > is very bad. For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on > > some basic Linux it's take 0.6 sec). And I think this is > > nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think FreeBSD 7.0 > > can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. > > > > The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks. > > > > Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for > > increase the perf ? > > > > Regards > > -- > > Albert SHIH > > Observatoire de Paris Meudon > > SIO batiment 15 > > Heure local/Local time: > > Lun 26 nov 2007 12:46:06 CET > > 6 seconds seem to be an awful lot. What kind of query are you running on > what kind of database / contents? > I don't really known it's some scientifical data. But the problem is on a basic linux pc (with SATA disk) the time is 0.6 sec with same request and same data. And it's for web applications. At 6 sec for one request it's become very long for the visitor because the application make many requests. Regards -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Heure local/Local time: Lun 26 nov 2007 13:00:32 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 12:17:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDB516A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7ABD13C465 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:17:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so127463anc for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.253.12 with SMTP id a12mr3738897ani.1196079438105; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [67.189.206.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm2741632agc.2007.11.26.04.17.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:17:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:17:32 -0500 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: Seibercom.net In-Reply-To: <20071126112039.485bb4a8@tania.servebbs.org> References: <20071126112039.485bb4a8@tania.servebbs.org> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20071126071111.3735.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.42 [en] Subject: Re: RELENG_6_1 to RELENG_6_2 upgrade question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:17:19 -0000 > On November 26, 2007 at 06:20AM Bob Richards wrote: [ snip ] > I do NOT need to portupgrade -a since this is a minor version upgrade > right? I think you are confusing '-a' with '-f'. The former updates all out of date files. The latter forces the rebuilding of a port. I have never tried it; however, I believe that 'portupgrade -af' would force the updating and rebuilding of all installed ports. -- Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 12:20:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B9E16A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:20:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from EXHUB015-4.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-4.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DB013C465 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:20:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from philip.hq.rws (74.93.213.161) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.744.0; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:20:44 -0800 Message-ID: <474ABA1B.9070808@riderway.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:20:43 -0500 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Riderway Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070919) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Albert.Shih@obspm.fr" References: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> In-Reply-To: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:20:45 -0000 Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all > > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. I try again > and hope there more solution > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6 > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. Well -- we'll need more information, but as your say, if its not threading related what makes you think its FreeBSD. You'd probably have better luck over on mysql@lists.mysql.com. A good start would be the query itself, and the output of EXPLAIN for that query. Also, your my.cnf is the next step. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@ridecharge.com) o:703.549.2050x206 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com / http://ridecharge.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 12:25:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E9616A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E06D13C455 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Iwd1N-0003nw-7g for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:25:05 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:25:05 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:25:05 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:29:35 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070801) In-Reply-To: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> Sender: news Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:25:35 -0000 Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all > > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. I try again > and hope there more solution > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6 > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. > For starts, if you didn't do it already, copy /usr/local/share/mysql/my-huge.cnf to /etc/my.cnf and try again. These are just some general settings, they might or might not help you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 12:26:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A25E16A421 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from EXHUB015-4.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-4.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CE013C45B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from philip.hq.rws (74.93.213.161) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.744.0; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:26:16 -0800 Message-ID: <474ABB67.10102@riderway.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:26:15 -0500 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Riderway Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070919) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zachary Kline References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Confusion about Ports and options framework X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:17 -0000 Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi, > I've read through the sections of the handbook quite carefully, and > haven't quite found what I'm looking for. > To be specific, I've no plans to install X11 or anything like it on this > machine yet. I may do so in the future merely to see how accessible Gnome > and such are, but not now. > I note that /usr/ports/editors/emacs has several environment variables > which can be set, such as WITHOUT_X11. I can set these just fine, and don't In /etc/make.conf -- .if ${.CURDIR:M*/usr/ports/*} NOPORTSDOC= yes WITHOUT_DBUS= yes WITHOUT_DEBUG= yes WITHOUT_EXAMPLES= yes WITHOUT_GUI= yes WITHOUT_HAL= yes WITHOUT_IPV6= yes WITHOUT_NLS= yes WITHOUT_X11= yes APACHE_PORT= www/apache22 OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT= f7 .endif #### - Per Port .if ${.CURDIR:M*/usr/ports/databases/mysql50*} WITH_ARCHIVE= yes WITH_CSV= yes WITH_FEDERATED= yes WITH_NDB= yes BUILD_OPTIMIZED= yes .endif > However, if I were to use something like Portmanager, Portupgrade, etc, > is there any way I can keep it from downloading these as well? On the Should work here too. > subject of port managers, is manual port installation the prefered method of > doing this anyway? The "managers" as you call them are more for upgrading and maintenance rather then original installation. Most people would use pkg_add -r, or compile from source in /usr/ports. Once you get familiar with things, I'd recommend setting up a local ftp package repository based on own source compiles so you only have to do them once. see make package et al. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@ridecharge.com) o:703.549.2050x206 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com / http://ridecharge.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 12:28:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E621016A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:28:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.catrysse@proximedia.be) Received: from smtp.proximedia.com (popop.online.be [194.88.108.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC29813C4EA for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:28:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.catrysse@proximedia.be) Received: from TEC04 (unknown [194.88.104.244]) by smtp.proximedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2734628C2F for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:27:59 +0100 (CET) From: "Jan Catrysse" To: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:31:12 +0100 Organization: Proximedia Belgium S.A. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20071126120319.GA70494@pcjas.obspm.fr> Thread-Index: AcgwJJxX7TOOxT5NT+WwwEM5NtYTIAAAotVA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-Id: <20071126122759.2734628C2F@smtp.proximedia.com> Subject: RE: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:28:01 -0000 > > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, > I'm running > > > Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is > very bad. > > > For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux > > > it's take 0.6 sec). > > 6 seconds seem to be an awful lot. What kind of query are > you running > > on what kind of database / contents? > I don't really known it's some scientifical data. But the > problem is on a basic linux pc (with SATA disk) the time is > 0.6 sec with same request and same data. And it's for web > applications. At 6 sec for one request it's become very long > for the visitor because the application make many requests. > > Regards > -- > Albert SHIH Did you try pinpointing down the problem to make sure their is not another bottleneck? Is the system running in production environment for the moment or are you the sole user? How did you install MySQL? I my experience (but I can be wrong) the default settings give the best performance on 5.x MySQL FreeBSD 6.2. So no Linux threads and stuff... Regs, Jan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 12:53:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900C416A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474A313C465 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.5) with SMTP id XAA06746; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:53:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:53:08 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: "eBoundHost: Artur" In-Reply-To: <20071126105832.1702E16A4D5@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:20 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:03:30 -0600 "eBoundHost: Artur" wrote: > >Lets also remember that history is written by the victors, > >which means they LIE! > >neal. > > > Wow neal, that's very nice of you. are you saying that hitler didn't > do any of these things? I'm not even going to respond to you here, > just going to re-post your words to show that there are still people > like you out there... Researching the fascinating set of OT discussions in recent -questions digests has provided three new entries for my favourite quotes file: I shall give a propagandist reason for starting the war, no matter whether it is plausible or not. The victor will not be asked afterwards whether he told the truth or not. When starting and waging war it is not right that matters, but victory. -- Adolf Hitler If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. -- John Kenneth Galbraith For all my early exposure, I didn't get laid until I was 17. -- Ted Mittelstaedt Cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 13:01:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D76116A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3D113C447 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Iwdat-0000iV-UE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:47 +0000 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with SMTP id lAQD1lV1012446 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:47 GMT Received: (qmail 85252 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Nov 2007 13:01:42 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:42 +0000 To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Message-ID: <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: "eBoundHost: Artur" , Frank Shute , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Frank Shute , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:52 -0000 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > > >PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting > >& rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the > >wrong mailing list. > > My apologies for top posting, will never happen again. I've never posted > to a list before. That's OK but what isn't OK is to take somebody elses post & selectively edit it when quoting from it, like you have done to my post. You also failed to address most of my points. > > >>Learn to > >>moderate yourselves, this is what "freedom" is all based on, being good > >>to > >>others. > > > >Nonsense. Freedom is about the right to voice disagreement with > >others amongst other things. > > Do you even notice the irony in what you said? Artur, it was meant to be ironic :) I haven't got the right to stop top posting no more than you have. And you haven't got the right to excise Hitler's name from FreeBSD material. Don't you see the irony in that? When he banned certain artists on the grounds of "decency" just like you're proposing to do. Just because he was "evil" doesn't mean he and the rest of his henchmen didn't have something interesting to say about the human condition. If you don't believe me, read "Brave New World: Revisited" by A.Huxley. Follow-ups to chat&freebsd.org please. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 13:15:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04FE16A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E8013C4CC for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DF1D05A5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:15:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:45 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126131545.5e52885b@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <474A8CA5.60300@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20071121221955.10f80f09@tania.servebbs.org> <20071123032011.57dcfc96@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200711260452.lAQ4qVuN098618@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20071126072727.GA3259@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <474A8CA5.60300@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Personalised patches in ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:49 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:06:45 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > 'portsnap extract' or 'portsnap update' will however blow away local > additions in the part of the ports tree it is operating on -- there > are clear warnings to that effect in the man page. There are clear warnings that 'portsnap extract' will delete extra files, but not for 'portsnap update'. And my recollection, from when I briefly tried portsnap, is that it leaves derived files, like README.html, untouched. So I guess that after the initial extract is done portsnap behaves like csup in this respect. I think the main difference between csup and 'portsnap update' is in the way they handle files that are under CVS, such as port makefiles. csup always removes changes, which I like because I know where I stand. I think with portsnap it depends on the CVS history. 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Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433B013C455 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from [85.172.12.119] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1IweWE-0006Fr-Kc; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:01:02 +0300 To: "eBoundHost\: Artur" References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:00:48 +0300 In-Reply-To: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> (eBoundHost's message of "Sun\, 25 Nov 2007 15\:23\:56 -0600") Message-ID: <65659743@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:01:06 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:56 -0600 eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page. > http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html > ====================== > >> Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive': > >> * Hitler quotes. > ====================== > Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has nobody removed > this garbage? Hm, I'm astonished. I've never seen that page before... English is not my native language and I may not understand all nuances though. Does that phrase mean "Hitler quotes are not usually be declared 'offensive'"? For me that means that there some (and very little) his quotes that should be treated as 'offensive'. WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 14:30:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9346216A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from smtp1.tls.net (smtp1.tls.net [65.196.224.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3628213C447 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: (qmail 35805 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 14:42:50 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.3 ppid: 35785, pid: 35801, t: 0.1783s scanners: attach: 1.2.3 clamav: 0.91.1/m:44/d:4912 spam: 3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on smtp1.tls.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=20.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from 64-184-8-89.bb.hrtc.net (HELO ?192.168.0.109?) (ldg%tls.net@64.184.8.89) by auth-smtp1.tls.net with ESMTPA; 26 Nov 2007 14:42:49 -0000 Message-ID: <474AD878.10900@pixelhammer.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:30:16 -0500 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <65659743@ipt.ru> In-Reply-To: <65659743@ipt.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:30:51 -0000 Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:56 -0600 eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > >> All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page. >> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html >> ====================== >>>> Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive': >>>> * Hitler quotes. >> ====================== >> Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has nobody removed >> this garbage? > > Hm, I'm astonished. I've never seen that page before... > > English is not my native language and I may not understand all nuances > though. Does that phrase mean "Hitler quotes are not usually be > declared 'offensive'"? For me that means that there some (and very > little) his quotes that should be treated as 'offensive'. > > > WBR I read the page as instruction to be attentive to content *and* context. The who matters little in comparison to the what. Fascinating to me that things like the logo and that page can generate so much list mail. DAve -- I've been asking Google for a Veteran's Day logo since 2000, maybe 1999. I was told they finally did a Veteran's Day logo, but none of the links I was given return anything but a normal Google logo. Sad, very sad. Maybe the Chinese Government didn't like it? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 14:39:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125DB16A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dom@goodforbusiness.co.uk) Received: from mail.goodforbusiness.co.uk (mail.goodforbusiness.co.uk [81.19.179.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B4813C4CE for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:39:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dom@goodforbusiness.co.uk) Message-ID: <474AD605.7060300@goodforbusiness.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:19:49 +0000 From: Dominic Marks MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:39:34 -0000 List, Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently? I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain the last time I looked at it. If you are using this for "real-work" and you are getting good results please let me know what you are using (software and hardware ideally). The environment I would like to put this into is a family house, very small setup with 2 PCs and 2 printers. Currently both are Windows PCs but one is experiencing all of the classic issues with a multi-year Windows installation and since they are used exclusively for E-Mail and word processing I am interested in migrating one PC over to FreeBSD. .. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I would also be interested. ... I am not a subscriber so please keep me CC'ed in the discussion. Cheers Dominic From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 14:58:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BCB16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F2413C457 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from [85.172.12.119] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1IwfPf-00072Y-MA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:58:19 +0300 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <65659743@ipt.ru> <474AD878.10900@pixelhammer.com> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:58:06 +0300 In-Reply-To: <474AD878.10900@pixelhammer.com> (DAve's message of "Mon\, 26 Nov 2007 09\:30\:16 -0500") Message-ID: <63890769@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:58:21 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:30:16 -0500 DAve wrote: > Boris Samorodov wrote: > > English is not my native language and I may not understand all nuances > > though. Does that phrase mean "Hitler quotes are not usually be > > declared 'offensive'"? For me that means that there some (and very > > little) his quotes that should be treated as 'offensive'. > I read the page as instruction to be attentive to content *and* context. So you agreed that the page about Fortune File Commit Policy is not complete. Good. > The who matters little in comparison to the what. Fascinating to me that > things like the logo and that page can generate so much list mail. WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 15:10:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548A116A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from teklimbu@wlink.com.np) Received: from smtp5.wlink.com.np (smtp5.wlink.com.np [202.79.32.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A28313C442 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from teklimbu@wlink.com.np) Received: (qmail 89105 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 15:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.wlink.com.np) (202.79.32.76) by 0 with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 15:10:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 13843 invoked by uid 98); 26 Nov 2007 15:10:02 -0000 Received: from 202.79.38.86 by smtp1.wlink.com.np (envelope-from , uid 1009) with qmail-scanner-1.25 (clamdscan: 0.88.4/2205. Clear:RC:1(202.79.38.86):. 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Processed in 0.044524 secs) Received: from [202.79.38.86] (HELO [202.79.38.86]) by smtp1.wlink.com.np (qmail-smtpd) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 15:09:54 -0000 (Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:54:54 +0545) Message-ID: <474AE1B0.4080006@wlink.com.np> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:54:36 +0545 From: Tek Bahadur Limbu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovi References: <4746A5A3.7040508@wlink.com.np> <47496AD7.9070508@unixservers.us> In-Reply-To: <47496AD7.9070508@unixservers.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Check-By: smtp1.wlink.com.np Spam: No ; 0.2 / 8.0 X-Spam-Status-WL: No, hits=0.2 required=8.0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:10:36 -0000 Hi Ovi, Ovi wrote: > Tek Bahadur Limbu wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I know that this question has been asked on this list in the past. So >> I am sorry for repeating it. >> >> However, I would like to know the current answers and views on this >> question. >> >> Basically, I want to know which software you might be using as a Site >> configuration and management application for web hosting services. >> >> It will be used primarily to control about 500-1000 virtual domains. >> >> I know that there are Cpanel and Plesk which are very good commercial >> softwares catering the needs for a good web based management tool. >> >> So far, I have only tried out RAQdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/ >> >> It seems good but is quite limited in it's features. >> >> So I would like to know more open source softwares used for this type >> of services. >> >> >> Thanking you... >> >> > We are using syscp and it works well. (you will need to modify it to > suit your needs, the source code is clean and easy to modify). > Any open source software you try, it is not 100% complete (as far as I > know, from my experience with open source web panels), so you will have > to modify the code. The bad thing with syscp is that dns server is not > configurable from web interface (there is a patch, but it allows you to > modify DNS only from admin account, which is not good, I think you will > need regular users to be able to configure their own dns servers), so > this is one thing you must add. I asume you need 3 types of accounts, > admin account, reseller account and user account. > http://www.syscp.org/ I have heard about syscp and will definitely try it once. But I am not very familiar with coding. Apart of the DNS configurations, do we need to hack the code? By the way, how many virtual domains are you currently managing with syscp? Thanking you... > > best regards, > ovi > > > > -- With best regards and good wishes, Yours sincerely, Tek Bahadur Limbu System Administrator (TAG/TDG Group) Jwl Systems Department Worldlink Communications Pvt. Ltd. Jawalakhel, Nepal http://www.wlink.com.np http://teklimbu.wordpress.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 15:11:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A227B16A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E2213C4CC for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.67) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Iwfc6-0000r7-Bi>; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:11:10 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.67) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Iwfc6-0002mT-Aq>; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:11:10 +0100 Message-ID: <474AE227.4050005@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:11:35 +0000 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Subject: FreeBSD 7/OpenLDAP: Howto change passwords X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:11:18 -0000 Hello, trying to change passwords on a client machine for a LDAP authenticated user always fails due to the original passwd() command is not capable of changing passwords remotely. Their is a suggested patch, but is there an "official" way to do? Regards, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 15:14:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE5716A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from thenetnow.com (thenetnow.com [69.90.69.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3706C13C442 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from hpeel.ody.ca ([216.240.12.2] helo=GRANT) by constellation.thenetnow.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IwffW-00039O-Nk; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:14:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01d101c8303e$c93c7fb0$6501a8c0@GRANT> From: "Grant Peel" To: "Tek Bahadur Limbu" , "Ovi" References: <4746A5A3.7040508@wlink.com.np> <47496AD7.9070508@unixservers.us> <474AE1B0.4080006@wlink.com.np> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:12:39 -0500 Organization: The Net Now MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Grant Peel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:14:53 -0000 We, and many hundreds of other hosts use Webmin/Usermin/Virtualmin. It is free, It is robust, There are tons of third party mods to use,=20 Learning how to create your own mods is easy, It is secure. www.webmin.com -Grant ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tek Bahadur Limbu=20 To: Ovi=20 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=20 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform Hi Ovi, Ovi wrote: > Tek Bahadur Limbu wrote: >=20 >> Hi All, >> >> I know that this question has been asked on this list in the past. = So=20 >> I am sorry for repeating it. >> >> However, I would like to know the current answers and views on this = >> question. >> >> Basically, I want to know which software you might be using as a = Site=20 >> configuration and management application for web hosting services. >> >> It will be used primarily to control about 500-1000 virtual = domains. >> >> I know that there are Cpanel and Plesk which are very good = commercial=20 >> softwares catering the needs for a good web based management tool. >> >> So far, I have only tried out RAQdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/ >> >> It seems good but is quite limited in it's features. >> >> So I would like to know more open source softwares used for this = type=20 >> of services. >> >> >> Thanking you... >> >> > We are using syscp and it works well. (you will need to modify it to = > suit your needs, the source code is clean and easy to modify). > Any open source software you try, it is not 100% complete (as far as = I=20 > know, from my experience with open source web panels), so you will = have=20 > to modify the code. The bad thing with syscp is that dns server is = not=20 > configurable from web interface (there is a patch, but it allows you = to=20 > modify DNS only from admin account, which is not good, I think you = will=20 > need regular users to be able to configure their own dns servers), = so=20 > this is one thing you must add. I asume you need 3 types of = accounts,=20 > admin account, reseller account and user account. > http://www.syscp.org/ I have heard about syscp and will definitely try it once. But I am not = very familiar with coding. Apart of the DNS configurations, do we need = to hack the code? By the way, how many virtual domains are you currently managing with = syscp? Thanking you... >=20 > best regards, > ovi >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 With best regards and good wishes, Yours sincerely, Tek Bahadur Limbu System Administrator (TAG/TDG Group) Jwl Systems Department Worldlink Communications Pvt. Ltd. Jawalakhel, Nepal http://www.wlink.com.np http://teklimbu.wordpress.com _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Total Control Panel Login=20 =20 To: gpeel@thenetnow.com=20 From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=20 Remove this sender from my allow list=20 =20 =20 You received this message because the sender is on your = allow list.=20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 15:24:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D015B16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:24:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADFB13C465 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:24:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from epia-2.farid-hajji.net (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127A1DF838; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:24:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:24:40 +0100 From: cpghost To: Dominic Marks Message-ID: <20071126162440.123800ad@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> In-Reply-To: <474AD605.7060300@goodforbusiness.co.uk> References: <474AD605.7060300@goodforbusiness.co.uk> Organization: Cordula's Web X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:24:44 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:19:49 +0000 Dominic Marks wrote: > Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing > (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently? > I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain > the last time I looked at it. I'm using an HP 1320 (PostScript printer) + cups to do printing. It works like a charm when it is attached with a parallel cable; OTOH I was never able to print via USB to that beast (no joy with print/hplip etc...) from FreeBSD (even though it works under XP and on most Linux distros). Here, OpenOffice generates the best printing; but all Qt3-based printing shows bad kerning artifacts, the letters being not evenly spaced -- I don't know if it is fixed in Qt4. Printing from Firefox is okay for some sites that took corrective measures in their printing stylesheets to counteract FF css/printing bugs, on other sites it is often quite ugly (compared to MSIE, which does a much better job at printing whatever you throw at it). All in all, YMMV. It depends on your requirements. > .. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I > would also be interested. Well, disregarding the problem of not being able to talk to my HP-1320 via USB (instead of parallel), all other problems are not FreeBSD-specific; they show up in Linux distros as well. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 15:34:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C7316A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E87C13C465 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so1175210uge for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=It4gx25xueKbENpM0ucaLzvA8YFWqDQfyWA5SdvLItc=; b=cCvwTVEd/WiNi8ko6yufUZG+E0db8UWeI8f5bsNNhbq9LSEKPEsjI40GVjdBrYOyPFGIHBgYdL7ZJE1IihMYS4eyWM88Xtdd00LvsuZGi/4Nos1TarDGb5aPzItQxkd4O+xcmbarjbfUXVIyNwmFKiedMXHDmfzlUcJkMY09LMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=non3ayk32L81v+yjB65Vw47XVT2HFIaueRGVS9DFTiBQHXKC/J4UNYeBMit3vzxU7FAn0bih9Y/PToM1aNUBGOSTn8QPav81+EXQE0L6KAk0+FvMH4h8O8wlriS9ViRhlM+1BCOEFCSLF9rhIcescHXIZQe9iXGoNs91n8KuGRw= Received: by 10.67.115.17 with SMTP id s17mr2040251ugm.1196091272474; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.220.16 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a0711260734tb0a46a3kac3b423bfd89582b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:34:32 +0000 From: Chris To: "Kris Kennaway" In-Reply-To: <474A9DCD.6020500@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> <474A9DCD.6020500@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Tore Lund , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:34:38 -0000 On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Tore Lund wrote: > > Ivan Voras wrote: > >> Dave wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any > >>> outstanding issues? > >> Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as > >> well start using it now. > >> > >> It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly > >> test it for your own workload before using it in production. > > > > Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions? > > I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to > > me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release. > > freebsd-stable is probably best. > > > In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any > > packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 > > when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command > > line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from > > 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. > > That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release > cycle. > > > Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have > > read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of > > 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands > > than use the old, rickety sysinstall. > > One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to > replace sysinstall. > > Kris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page faults) are? I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3 I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended. Is FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path? Try this. Login to twice on ssh. If not root su both to root. using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. on the first tty type 'killall watch' you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer is counting down. Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. This is nothing to do with hardware very repeatable behaviour happens for me on at least 4 different freebsd 7 servers, if I compile world with -O not -O2 the default it stops reboot causing page faults on some of the servers. Chris Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 15:54:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006F016A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21B113C46A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:54:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (jn@ns1 [69.55.238.237]) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lAQFQY69072654; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:26:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from john@jnielsen.net) Received: (from www@localhost) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id lAQFQYUd072653; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:26:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from john@jnielsen.net) X-Authentication-Warning: ns1.jnielsen.net: www set sender to john@jnielsen.net using -f Received: from nc-2wac-zop07.wachovia.com (nc-2wac-zop07.wachovia.com [162.111.235.18]) by newwebmail.jnielsen.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:26:33 -0500 Message-ID: <20071126102633.891t8gras8o0soco@newwebmail.jnielsen.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:26:33 -0500 From: John Nielsen To: Dominic Marks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) / FreeBSD-4.9 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:54:27 -0000 Quoting Dominic Marks : > Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing > (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently? > I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain the last > time I looked at it. > > If you are using this for "real-work" and you are getting good results please > let me know what you are using (software and hardware ideally). > > The environment I would like to put this into is a family house, very small > setup with 2 PCs and 2 printers. Currently both are Windows PCs but > one is experiencing all of the classic issues with a multi-year Windows > installation and since they are used exclusively for E-Mail and word > processing I am interested in migrating one PC over to FreeBSD. > > .. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I would > also be interested. > ... I am not a subscriber so please keep me CC'ed in the discussion. At home I have one headless FreeBSD server, one FreeBSD desktop, one Windows desktop, and one or more laptops running either OS at various times. I also have an old cheap (non-PS) laser printer and a new-ish multifunction photo printer. The laser printer is connected to the FreeBSD server, which runs CUPS and Samba, among other things. The inkjet is connected to the Windows Desktop. Printing from FreeBSD (all stations also use CUPS) to the laser printer always works fine. Printing from Windows to the laster printer (talking to Samba with a CUPS backend) works fine most of the time. Occasionally graphics-intensive jobs will come out screwy, and Acrobat Reader doesn't always behave well for some reason (even though I'm using the Adobe Windows PS driver..). Printing from Windows to the inkjet always works well, and the vendor driver obviously supports all of the printer's features. Printing from FreeBSD to the inkjet (using an SMB backend to CUPS on the FreeBSD server) works well for standard documents and resolutions. If I need to print high-res or borderless photos I do it from Windows. (I also use the Windows station for scanning.) Much of the above could be different for different people using different printers. In my case attaching the dumb laser printer to a FreeBSD server makes it more usable, whereas attaching the inkjet printer to the FreeBSD server made it less so (vs Windows). The gutenprint drivers are catching up to the vendor ones but for this printer they aren't there yet. On the whole I'm quite happy with my CUPS server on FreeBSD, especially when printing from other CUPS-capable workstations (i.e. anything BUT Windows). Printers show up automatically and work the same from all stations with no need to distribute drivers, etc. JN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:03:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC8716A421; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesh@lanl.gov) Received: from mailwasher.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [204.121.3.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3F813C45D; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesh@lanl.gov) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id lAQG37bb031235; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:03:07 -0700 Received: from oppie-mail.lanl.gov (oppie-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.123]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id lAQG36to030144; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:03:06 -0700 Received: from [128.165.86.60] (p25dual1.lanl.gov [128.165.86.60]) by oppie-mail.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2A01F8003; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:03:02 -0700 (MST) From: James Harrison To: Chris In-Reply-To: <3aaaa3a0711260734tb0a46a3kac3b423bfd89582b@mail.gmail.com> References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> <474A9DCD.6020500@FreeBSD.org> <3aaaa3a0711260734tb0a46a3kac3b423bfd89582b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Los Alamos National Labs Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:03:01 -0700 Message-Id: <1196092981.3531.3.camel@p25dual1.lanl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.0 (2.8.0-33.0.1.el5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTN-5-MailScanner-Information: Please see http://network.lanl.gov/email/virus-scan.php X-CTN-5-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CTN-5-MailScanner-From: jamesh@lanl.gov X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Kris Kennaway , Tore Lund , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jamesh@lanl.gov List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:03:10 -0000 On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 15:34 +0000, Chris wrote: > On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > Tore Lund wrote: > > > Ivan Voras wrote: > > >> Dave wrote: > > >>> Hello, > > >>> How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any > > >>> outstanding issues? > > >> Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as > > >> well start using it now. > > >> > > >> It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly > > >> test it for your own workload before using it in production. > > > > > > Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions? > > > I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to > > > me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release. > > > > freebsd-stable is probably best. > > > > > In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any > > > packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 > > > when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command > > > line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from > > > 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. > > > > That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release > > cycle. > > > > > Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have > > > read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of > > > 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands > > > than use the old, rickety sysinstall. > > > > One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to > > replace sysinstall. > > > > Kris > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page > faults) are? > I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a > page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet > both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3 > I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop > use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended. Is > FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path? > > Try this. > > Login to twice on ssh. > If not root su both to root. > using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. > on the first tty type 'killall watch' > you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer > is counting down. > > Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. > > This is nothing to do with hardware very repeatable behaviour happens > for me on at least 4 different freebsd 7 servers, if I compile world > with -O not -O2 the default it stops reboot causing page faults on > some of the servers. > > Chris > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" This looks like your bug: >Description: when using the command killall watch with at least 1 active watch process running the kernel gets a page fault and reboots. Is the above the behaviour that's the problem, or is the behaviour you describe in your email the issue? I can confirm the stuff in your email, but haven't tried using killall watch when watch is using other options. James From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:04:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AD616A474 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E9213C4CE for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951494C888E; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:04:55 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.921 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.819, BAYES_50=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X5Y07JVrdaN8; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:04:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (adsl-75-11-83-244.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [75.11.83.244]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1824C8588; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:04:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: "Frank Shute" References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:05:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:04:53 -0000 > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: >> >> >PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting >> >& rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the >> >wrong mailing list. >> >> My apologies for top posting, will never happen again. I've never posted >> to a list before. > > That's OK but what isn't OK is to take somebody elses post & > selectively edit it when quoting from it, like you have done to my > post. > > You also failed to address most of my points. Frank, No offense, but who has time to go through all points of every post and respond. There was much said here but i want to keep this post on topic. > >> >> >>Learn to >> >>moderate yourselves, this is what "freedom" is all based on, being good >> >>to >> >>others. >> > >> >Nonsense. Freedom is about the right to voice disagreement with >> >others amongst other things. >> >> Do you even notice the irony in what you said? > > Artur, it was meant to be ironic :) I haven't got the right to stop > top posting no more than you have. > My apologies, I'm reading everything as an attack now a days. :-) > And you haven't got the right to excise Hitler's name from FreeBSD > material. Don't you see the irony in that? When he banned certain > artists on the grounds of "decency" just like you're proposing to do. > Two points 1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an appropriate forum to express political views. so whether we are for or against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really does not matter. what matters is how good our coding is, and how appropriate the wording on our website. because like it or not, we have to present a decent website that does not offend our users and does not make us look bad in front of non-users. 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying to do. I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if that's what the community thinks is appropriate. What I'm suggesting is that we remove his name from the website: (http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of insensitive jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings. People who come accross this wording will not stop to think about all the deep philosophical reasons why the text needs to be there to protect freedoms. All they will see is that we seemingly support Hitler. Why don't we have other names controversial during our times like Mussolini, Stalin, or even Gorge Bush? > Just because he was "evil" doesn't mean he and the rest of his > henchmen didn't have something interesting to say about the human > condition. If you don't believe me, read "Brave New World: Revisited" > by A.Huxley. This has nothing to do with anything that I'm saying. Listen, my grandmother also has some interesting things to say but you don't put her name on the front page of the Fortune program because it's not appropriate. Same thing here. Just not an appropriate forum. > Follow-ups to chat&freebsd.org please. > Done and done. Best regards, Artur From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:05:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B1416A46D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuxgirl@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99F413C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuxgirl@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so720306nfb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:05:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=0f8nrzMs5i2C9D+G3SPxYJMjnSIid5CVmwU7DveUEfA=; b=VFoMVFrWcyDvtmddQwzQ/+NXGYJj/rd0TwcyHEF7HjxJBX0Fefgj11JO8oABOaCq9/R+12XGsg5b3fGglh9AuKOZjLbUa3ELJKG3I+llEXf6HCFNjoHwOLpRsrMtc5Egt7IXl9OCeKaKFllooVE9vJt1Ja7cnUaotqzYHdS31rs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nunUWOOw/4Gldt2/Xz13J18zcGd7Qnzjs7mVf/HKEqREb/0aRAKLIFdxvZ9Ce8FeAs9NM8m/T/30eIdOc+2IVqeX/y2E37blulBLm5ppoMMtuk+PK3w20O7d5Usw2dfDp4S837PL0fgqItBAQKMzJOsnrs+LosyVlSVqhrlz3kY= Received: by 10.78.156.6 with SMTP id d6mr3062732hue.1196093150442; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:05:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.152.16 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:05:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e4453640711260805h54d62348p85153a40b7a30e8c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:05:50 -0800 From: "Erin McNew" To: "Matthias Apitz" In-Reply-To: <20071126072700.GA3275@rebelion.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> <20071126072700.GA3275@rebelion.Sisis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:05:54 -0000 On Nov 25, 2007 11:27 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=EDa Sunday, November 25, 2007 a las 10:23:05PM -0800, Erin McNew > escribi=F3: > > > I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to > have > > run into a bit of a snag. I just tried to print out a picture as a > test, > > and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one pag= e > of > > photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty > (taught > > me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of > > photo paper in the printer...) > > Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people > having > > this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong. I'm using > the > > hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and work= s > > perfectly for my other hp printer. Is this printer just not supported > by > > FreeBSD? I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in m= y > > quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for > > things to check, etc. > > > > Thanks! > > ~TuxGirl > > Maybe it could help if you explain exactly how do you print the > file, from command line or from some kind of application? > The PCL across the top of one page, does it looks like stairs? > I.e. does start the 2nd line where 1st line ends? > > matthias > Ok. Let's see what other information I can provide. I was printing from the gimp. I looked at the printer setup, and it said that it was using lpr. As for the PCL, the first line was pretty short, and the second line did start indented. I don't recall if it started where the first ended, but if not, it was close to that. I couldn't see any further lines, but apparentl= y there were more, as the printer kept spitting out pages... Thanks! ~Erin --=20 http://www.tuxgirl.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:10:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C4516A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50AD13C4CE for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5250B654FF for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:10:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:10:07 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <51EDC1D70CF2B42C789965D5@utd59514.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <474AD878.10900@pixelhammer.com> References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <65659743@ipt.ru> <474AD878.10900@pixelhammer.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:10:09 -0000 --On Monday, November 26, 2007 09:30:16 -0500 DAve wrote: > > I read the page as instruction to be attentive to content *and* context. > The who matters little in comparison to the what. Fascinating to me that > things like the logo and that page can generate so much list mail. > That's because people are generally so happy with FreeBSD and ports that they have to find something else to complain about. :-) -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:15:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B89C16A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:15:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0230F13C46B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:15:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355BA4C88AF; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:15:55 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.903 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.801, BAYES_50=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zsgvEpYCMdwU; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:15:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (adsl-75-11-83-244.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [75.11.83.244]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890214C88A9; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:15:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001d01c83047$a584bc50$6d00a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: "Boris Samorodov" References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <65659743@ipt.ru> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:15:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:15:53 -0000 > Hm, I'm astonished. I've never seen that page before... > > English is not my native language and I may not understand all nuances > though. Does that phrase mean "Hitler quotes are not usually be > declared 'offensive'"? For me that means that there some (and very > little) his quotes that should be treated as 'offensive'. > Hi Boris, I'm not a native speaker either, but it seems to say that even if hitler said it, it may still be appropriate for the random quotes list. And "astonished" is exactly what I'm feeling too. Best Regards, Artur eBoundHost.com http://www.eboundhost.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:25:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFC216A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3BA13C46B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQGKrag071294; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:20:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQGKra0071293; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:20:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:20:53 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Message-ID: <20071126162053.GB71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:25:13 -0000 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:23:56PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page. > http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html > ====================== > >>Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive': > >>* Hitler quotes. > ====================== I think the point is that it does not specifically belong in the offensive list just because the author was Hitler, or for that matter any other offensive person. Do you want it to say, it doesn't belong in the offensive list just because Ronald Reagan said it - or that Limburg guy? They are offensive persons. Well, maybe those _do_ all belong in the offensive list. But, the above is the meaning for the statement on the page. ////jerry > Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has nobody removed this > garbage? > > Best Regards, > > Artur > eBoundHost.com > http://www.eboundhost.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:26:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3027F16A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:26:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from viefep11-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F70613C4F5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:26:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [80.99.119.201]) by viefep11-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20071126162608.YPYJ10068.viefep11-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.104]> for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:26:08 +0100 Message-ID: <474AF39F.7080905@shopzeus.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:26:07 +0100 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <474475D6.3070200@shopzeus.com> In-Reply-To: <474475D6.3070200@shopzeus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: xdmcp not working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:26:11 -0000 Laszlo Nagy wrote: > On a client machine I invoke this command: > > X -broadcast > > On the server side, gdm is runnning with [debug] enabled=true and this > is logged: > > Nov 21 13:23:38 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: decode_packet: > GIOCondition 1 > Nov 21 13:23:38 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: XDMCP: Received > opcode QUERY from client : > Nov 21 13:23:38 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: > gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client->hostname is 192.168.0.139 > Nov 21 13:23:38 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: XDMCP: Sending > WILLING to > Nov 21 13:23:41 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: decode_packet: > GIOCondition 1 > Nov 21 13:23:41 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: XDMCP: Received > opcode QUERY from client : > Nov 21 13:23:41 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: > gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client->hostname is 192.168.0.139 > Nov 21 13:23:41 cassiopeia gdm-binary[1569]: DEBUG: XDMCP: Sending > WILLING to > > This is repeating continuously. On the client side, I see the X server > with gray background, without windows. > > > ipfw on the server side (running gdm): > > 00100 624 60642 allow ip from any to any via lo0 > 00200 0 0 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 > 00300 0 0 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any > 65000 79294 34601476 allow ip from any to any > 65535 0 0 deny ip from any to any > > IPFIREWALL is not enabled on the client (X server) side. > > What did I wrong? I posted this 5 days ago, and nobody answered. What can I do? Should I re-post after a week? (Nobody knows the answer, or - hopefully - the guy who knows the answer did not read the question?) (I tried to look for a FAQ but I could not find it here: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions ) Thank you, Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:29:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99C616A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804B113C4D9 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQGOiEI071335; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:24:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQGOiV2071334; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:24:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:24:44 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071126162444.GC71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000501c82fb0$2c8bad00$f300a8c0@outkast> <4749F526.1000003@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4749F526.1000003@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Tony Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:29:03 -0000 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:20:22PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I might consider the man to be a maniac but he did utter some truths, > > Should we automatically disqualify them? > > Even the devil is right sometimes does that mean we should follow him? Who said anything about following them. Mostly those things are added as wry comments - showing the connection between evil or loose or cynical thinking and evil deeds and letting people notice how those thoughts and rationalizations get repeated in our current society and politics and business. Makes a person go 'hhmmmm' or it certainly should. ////jerry > > Let's see: > > 1 authbaun = 6 million jews > 1 trip to the moon = 50 million russians > 1 vw bug = 20 million brits and americans > 1 war = priceless > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHSfUlJ9+1V27SttsRAkMJAJ9XsKT7BcgiLjXgdjg24So6P0S5qACgoHWG > zq116oPgBb72nbumjnCpJiY= > =dGDp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:51:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE0716A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:51:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F2F513C4D5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2007 16:51:19 -0000 Received: from nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (EHLO mobileKamikaze.norad) [129.13.72.169] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 17:51:19 +0100 X-Authenticated: #5465401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18wldQFUrgwdRWx8MxGAbogDXSw+aufTDzbJ9W8QA 9ljHqmNl+LVvb1 Message-ID: <474AF981.3080709@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:13 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071117) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eBoundHost: Artur References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> In-Reply-To: <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Frank Shute , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:51:21 -0000 eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying > to do. I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if > that's what the community thinks is appropriate. What I'm suggesting is > that we remove his name from the website: > (http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to > innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and > unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of > insensitive jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings. > ... Quote from the linked website: > If an entry offends more than a couple of FreeBSD committers and does not > contain any objective poignant historical reference, the entry should be in > the offensive file. I'm not a freebsd committer, but I do feel offended by Hitler quotes (being German that is understandable, I think). And it's unthinkable for me to put anything he said anywhere else but into offensive. Just by being his words a quote is put into an offensive (and not amusing) context. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:57:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF12616A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:57:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F1D13C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:57:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBF44C88B3; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:57:58 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.856 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.856 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.754, BAYES_50=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AVrBjZRWE3Tr; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:57:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (adsl-75-11-83-244.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [75.11.83.244]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294AD4C889D; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:57:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004901c8304d$85913440$6d00a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: "Jerry McAllister" References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126162053.GB71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:57:57 -0000 > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:23:56PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > >> All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page. >> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html >> ====================== >> >>Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive': >> >>* Hitler quotes. >> ====================== > > I think the point is that it does not specifically belong in the offensive > list just because the author was Hitler, or for that matter any other > offensive person. Do you want it to say, it doesn't belong in the > offensive list just because Ronald Reagan said it - or that Limburg guy? > They are offensive persons. > > Well, maybe those _do_ all belong in the offensive list. > > But, the above is the meaning for the statement on the page. > > ////jerry No Jerry, you misunderstood my point. I'm not talking about which quotes go into which list. My complaint is about how that web page is structured, and that its wording should be reworked. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:06:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E86816A468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE6A413C459 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2007 17:06:51 -0000 Received: from nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (EHLO mobileKamikaze.norad) [129.13.72.169] by mail.gmx.net (mp048) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 18:06:51 +0100 X-Authenticated: #5465401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zfjRlRrvzPo8UA4v2Vcy3ASkEwAYLtPrkfUhwsf eck2fIguqoTVf6 Message-ID: <474AFD2A.6070303@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:06:50 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071117) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominic Marks References: <474AD605.7060300@goodforbusiness.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <474AD605.7060300@goodforbusiness.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:06:53 -0000 Dominic Marks wrote: > List, > > Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing > (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently? I'm using a HP LaserJet 6L with apsfilter. The driver I had to choose is ljet4. It was pretty easy to set up. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:10:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D908A16A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B3A13C461 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQH6Ivw071520; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:06:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQH6INC071519; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:06:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:06:18 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: "eBoundHost: Artur" , Frank Shute , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Message-ID: <20071126170617.GD71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:10:46 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 01:01:42PM +0000, Frank Shute wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > > > > >PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting > > >& rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the > > >wrong mailing list. > > > > My apologies for top posting, will never happen again. I've never posted > > to a list before. > > That's OK but what isn't OK is to take somebody elses post & > selectively edit it when quoting from it, like you have done to my > post. > > You also failed to address most of my points. So! He doesn't have any responsibility to respond to all of your posts. He can respond to whichever ones he wants and ignore all the rest. That goes for selectively editing. That is part of the recommended behavior on the list - to edit out the parts not specifically relevant to the response so people don't have to wade through a lot of irrelevant crap to find the actual response. It is as important as that other anti-social behavior called top-posting. ////jerry ... lots excised ... > > Follow-ups to chat&freebsd.org please. > > Regards, > > -- > Frank > > Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:14:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022B516A468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:14:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D2A13C465 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:14:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2007 12:13:49 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with ESMTP id JJK32700; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2007 12:12:49 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18250.65232.575772.952160@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:13:52 -0500 To: Dominic Marks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:14:03 -0000 Dominic Fandrey writes: > > Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing > > (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently? > > I'm using a HP LaserJet 6L with apsfilter. The driver I had to > choose is ljet4. LaserJet 6mp; no add-ons. Works with OpenOffice. GIMP, and Mozilla-based stuff. (All under CUPS.) Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:15:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B5316A46B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B092613C46A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB46D059E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:15:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:15:05 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126171505.6828e651@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <474AA3E4.7020807@net.utcluj.ro> References: <47469D3F.1070207@netfence.it> <474AA3E4.7020807@net.utcluj.ro> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: portaudit in periodic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:15:09 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:45:56 +0200 Cristian KLEIN wrote: > Andrea Venturoli wrote: > > On one box, however, portaudit's db won't update automatically. The > > security reports will mention no vulnerability, even when I know > > they are there. > > Running "periodic daily" from a shell does it all for good, so that > > for a few days I'll see the correct warnings. > > I used to have problem with cron scripts, because cron uses another > PATH then what the script gets if it's run from the shell. That shouldn't be relevant, the update should be done as a side-effect of the daily security run, and the path to portaudit is hard-coded into the periodic script. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:22:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1B516A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:22:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F2B13C4DD for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.67) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1IwhfF-0007Ib-5t>; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:22:33 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.67) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1IwhfF-000155-4y>; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:22:33 +0100 Message-ID: <474B00F8.6030308@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:23:04 +0000 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Subject: OpenLDAP/PAM and SSH: some weirdness with ssh-keys X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:22:35 -0000 Hello, sorry for bothering yo, but I'm feeling desperately lost with a problem. I've got a running OpenLDAP 2.3.39 authetication system on a FreeBSD 7.0 box, with pam_ldap and nss_ldap (most recent from the ports). My config does not look very special, but I think I've messed up something in /etc/pam.d or have overseen a small knob in sshd_config (using the plain standard sshd_config coming with the OS). My users can not login without having the very first time typed 'ssh-keygen' and generated their key with a passphrase! Whenever the key (doesn't matter whether rsa or dsa) is not present, no login is possible, but if the key is present, login works fine. But the passphrase of the key remains the password for login, no chance to change with patched passwd.c/passwd() or with tools like LUMA. By the way, I have an enabled option 'pam_password crypt' in /usr/local/etc/ldap.conf (for both pam_ldap and nss_ldap, linked), but this doesn't help much I guess. Due to the fact ssh login does not work, I will show you my /etc/pam.d/sshd file, which looks like this: ===== # # $FreeBSD: src/etc/pam.d/sshd,v 1.16 2007/06/10 18:57:20 yar Exp $ # # PAM configuration for the "sshd" service # # auth auth sufficient pam_opie.so no_warn no_fake_prompts auth requisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn allow_local #auth sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass auth sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn try_first_pass auth sufficient pam_ssh.so no_warn try_first_pass auth required pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass # account account required pam_nologin.so #account required pam_krb5.so account required pam_login_access.so account sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so account required pam_unix.so # session #session optional pam_ssh.so session required /usr/local/lib/pam_mkhomedir.so mode=750 skel=/usr/share/skel/ session required pam_permit.so # password #password sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass #password sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so use_authtok password sufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so try_first_pass password required pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass ======== Sorry for the weird wrapping ... Does anyone see some problems? I also have the pam_ldap.so-line in /etc/pam.d/passwd (and /etc/pam.d/system looks similar). I would like to have not the key-passphrase as password for login. Thanks in advance, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:26:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8E316A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5750B13C46A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so380578nzf for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:26:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/1SLOw4KG4vpDkB2KkCNGqcgMl5mhR6qdN3SXN6XGyQ=; b=ZrRjwwQlO6kTZK06l56udWrIraidc77XzwTU81bNV8Zg8UWZC5Hr00h3SBqDbD/8ntuC2s/0QKFCcUOwQmFN7Do4r7sQ508C/GtWD9c/r2en1yGKLp+FgFdtHk1YVaM8nLfGUuu2D7bPoNPvheVjNX2Xst3c6X4EavIrok/5C4Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=vYiIVBzvlio5hgZ/dBnw2AFCr52pFh2dZD2xmhqKTBdXiuTXWFYNINM8jN/t9deqKqd6uVl7u4+Ywx+o/HaJ5dnSgGXPSQM/GgA80+ehPp8uGfZn/fjgNvIxSKdEqtFJhjmDDdDIyIDzkm4h284jBjcCrcSZLPeIr7d8cs5eLhA= Received: by 10.142.216.9 with SMTP id o9mr453739wfg.1196096399736; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.32.172? ( [201.47.3.162]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m75sm2298395wrm.2007.11.26.08.59.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:59:59 -0800 (PST) From: Sergio Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <474AF39F.7080905@shopzeus.com> References: <474475D6.3070200@shopzeus.com> <474AF39F.7080905@shopzeus.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:59:02 +0000 Message-Id: <1196089142.1961.12.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: xdmcp not working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:26:04 -0000 Hello, I read your email about gdm and xdmcp My setup for 2.20 does not work at all so I installed the "old" 2.18.3 from the ports, (I build the package from the ports) and it works just ok as before... I think there is a bug in the 2.20/2.21 xdmcp code... I had no time to fix ... Lenzi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:30:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1509616A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABD913C457 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:30:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQHQBu6071662; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQHQB00071661; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:11 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: "eBoundHost: Artur" Message-ID: <20071126172611.GE71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126162053.GB71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <004901c8304d$85913440$6d00a8c0@mobility> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <004901c8304d$85913440$6d00a8c0@mobility> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:30:40 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:58:08AM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > >On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:23:56PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > > > >>All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page. > >>http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html > >>====================== > >>>>Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive': > >>>>* Hitler quotes. > >>====================== > > > >I think the point is that it does not specifically belong in the offensive > >list just because the author was Hitler, or for that matter any other > >offensive person. Do you want it to say, it doesn't belong in the > >offensive list just because Ronald Reagan said it - or that Limburg guy? > >They are offensive persons. > > > >Well, maybe those _do_ all belong in the offensive list. > > > >But, the above is the meaning for the statement on the page. > > > >////jerry > > No Jerry, you misunderstood my point. I'm not talking about which quotes > go into which list. My complaint is about how that web page is structured, > and that its wording should be reworked. No, I didn't misunderstand it. You don't like the way they are describing which goes in to which list. The current wording is saying that it does not specifically belong on the offensive list just because it come from an offensive person. I, not too tongue-in-cheek suggested some other examples who might be used in place of the 'hitler' name that could categorize something coming from an offensive source but not necessarily belong in the offensive list merely because of the source. Actually, I think the original page wording is a little skimpy about the concept, but the example[s] given do very well at illustrating the intended meaning. eg, by just saying that hitler quotes are examples of entries that are not offensive, it leaves to ones ability to misunderstand or misinterpret, the reasoning behind hitler quotes not being offensive entries. One really has to look at the other category to see that it does not fit in the, somewhat better described, offensive list category to pick up the reasoning for it being in the non-offensive list, eg, it ain't one of those so it must be one of these. So, I haven't yet thought of a good, adequately lean, but clarifying phrase, though if one comes to me I will submit it, but a clarifying phrase could well be included and the hitler example remain with it because it establishes a very strong case-in-point example. ////jerry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:36:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A178516A46B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:36:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from viefep12-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA5213C47E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:36:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [80.99.119.201]) by viefep12-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071126173636.CVAG10091.viefep12-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.104]>; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:36:36 +0100 Message-ID: <474B0423.7090602@shopzeus.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:36:35 +0100 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sergio Lenzi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <474475D6.3070200@shopzeus.com> <474AF39F.7080905@shopzeus.com> <1196089142.1961.12.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1196089142.1961.12.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: xdmcp not working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:36:39 -0000 > I read your email about gdm and xdmcp > > My setup for 2.20 does not work at all > so I installed the "old" 2.18.3 from the ports, > (I build the package from the ports) and it works > just ok as before... > > I think there is a bug in the 2.20/2.21 xdmcp code... I > had no time to fix ... > Thank you for your quick answer. I did this: cd /usr/ports/x11/gdm /usr/local/etc/rc.d/gdm stop make deinstall pkg_add -r gdm I got many warning messages, but finally it started to work! Is this a know bug? Should we report it or is it already reported? Thank you, Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:39:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E38816A421 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3860413C4E8 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1690DD05A5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:39:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:39:19 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126173919.7cbeb2f9@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: References: <44079.9636221074$1196053676@news.gmane.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Confusion about Ports and options framework X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:39:23 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:17:01 -0800 "Zachary Kline" wrote: > > "RW" wrote in message > news:44079.9636221074$1196053676@news.gmane.org... > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:24:32 -0800 > > "Zachary Kline" wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> I've read through the sections of the handbook quite carefully, > >> and haven't quite found what I'm looking for. > >> To be specific, I've no plans to install X11 or anything like > >> it on this machine yet. I may do so in the future merely to see > >> how accessible Gnome and such are, but not now. > >> I note that /usr/ports/editors/emacs has several environment > >> variables which can be set, such as WITHOUT_X11. > > > Call me dense, if you like. I'm not quite sure how to do that. > Would a simple WITHOUT_X11=YES or similar pull it off? I got the > impression those were environment variables, and not something > specific to make. Normally it doesn't matter whether it's in the environment or defined in make.conf. The only exception I can think of is that a handful of ports have deinstall scripts that test for BATCH to avoid prompting you for removing special users/groups, but can only see it if it defined in the environment From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:52:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E9F16A469; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from crivens.kernel32.de (crivens.terrorteam.de [81.169.171.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697D013C442; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crivens.kernel32.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2B9B023F; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:28:25 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:28:25 +0100 From: Marian Hettwer To: Dominic Fandrey In-Reply-To: <474AF981.3080709@gmx.de> References: <474AF981.3080709@gmx.de> Message-ID: X-Sender: mh@kernel32.de User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: artur@eboundhost.com, Frank Shute , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:52:37 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:13 +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > eBoundHost: Artur wrote: >> 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying >> to do. I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if >> that's what the community thinks is appropriate. What I'm suggesting is >> that we remove his name from the website: >> (http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to >> innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and >> unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of >> insensitive jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings. >> ... > > Quote from the linked website: >> If an entry offends more than a couple of FreeBSD committers and does > not >> contain any objective poignant historical reference, the entry should be > in >> the offensive file. > > I'm not a freebsd committer, but I do feel offended by Hitler quotes > (being > German that is understandable, I think). And it's unthinkable for me to > put > anything he said anywhere else but into offensive. > Just by being his words a quote is put into an offensive (and not amusing) > context. I do agree with this statement above! Besides I wouldn't like to see the name Hitler on freebsd's website. It just doesn't belong there. Especially when the website is saying, that the quotes are not offensive. Please remove that entry, at least. Thanks, Marian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 18:14:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9F616A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kneel.pardoe@virgin.net) Received: from n082.sc1.he.tucows.com (smtpout0138.sc1.he.tucows.com [64.97.136.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AC713C45B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kneel.pardoe@virgin.net) Received: from sc1-out02.emaildefenseservice.com (64.97.139.2) by n082.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 47030A3E0049AF1C for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:14:51 +0000 X-SpamScore: 2 X-Spamcatcher-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 74526d8e06f02b43, 7b4d0be2e2c143f3, kneel.pardoe@virgin.net, -, RULES_HIT:355:379:599:601:945:966:973:980:988:989:1260:1261:1277:1311:1312:1313:1314:1345:1358:1359:1437:1513:1515:1516:1518:1519:1521:1534:1542:1593:1594:1595:1596:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2194:2196:2199:2200:2393:2551:2553:2559:2562:2734:2828:2899:3027:3355:3421:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:4250:4362:4385:5007:6117:6119:7652, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none X-Spamcatcher-Explanation: Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [64.97.206.40]) (Authenticated sender: kneel.pardoe@virgin.net) by sc1-out02.emaildefenseservice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:14:45 +0000 (UTC) From: neal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:53 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <001301c82fe1$4e4263e0$6701a8c0@mobility> In-Reply-To: <001301c82fe1$4e4263e0$6701a8c0@mobility> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711261802.53776.kneel.pardoe@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [OT] who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:14:54 -0000 On Monday 26 November 2007, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > >Lets also remember that history is written by the > > victors, which means they LIE! > >neal. > > Wow neal, that's very nice of you. =A0 What is? Surely this is not the first time you have heard=20 this said about history. > are you saying that=20 > hitler didn't do any of these things? =A0 What I was saying was contained in the post, there were no=20 words missing, it was all there, complete. > I'm not even going=20 > to respond to you here, just going to re-post your words > to show that there are still people like you out there... Oh, you took this personally as if it was an insult directed=20 at you. This is one of the problems when viewing with=20 combative mind set. > And as far as your sage to the moon quote, don't think > too much of your own sagedom, there is always someone > younger and smarter. =A0 Despite the failure of the 'message', it was honestly sent=20 *to* you not *at* you as you seem to think.=20 how about "we do not see the world as it is but as we are". > You would be better off being a=20 > little less "sagy" and a bit nicer. Thanks, but you are not in a position to determine how I=20 might be better or worse off. > Now to the rest of you who are for some reason turning > this into a Censorship issue. =A0It's not. =A0I'm asking to > replace the text on the HTML front page with a completely > unnecessary reference to hitler. =A0We're not talking about > pruning the quotes database for controversial speakers. > =A0having hitlers name there does nothing positive for the > project and polarizes the viewing audience because it > offends the vast majority of people, 99% of whom are not > going to spend an evening writing to a mailing list to > have the issue fixed. They won't think about the deep > philosophical reasons why this should be there in > principle. =A0They are going to read the page and think to > themselves that the freebsd community are a bunch of > jerks. No, that is what it says to *you*. You are not everyone=20 else. > There are far better ways to express the thought than by > simply saying "hitler quotes". =A0For instance it can be > replaced with "controversial persons" or something > similar. =A0 So it is about censorship. You want the name 'Hitler' erased=20 from existence. > He was not the only such person in history, so=20 > we should not be focusing only on him. > Best Regards, > > Artur From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 18:27:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24CE16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFB313C455 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAQIRYNg079714; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:27:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 41337B8F8; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:27:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:27:34 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Erin McNew Message-ID: <20071126182734.GA19393@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> <20071126072700.GA3275@rebelion.Sisis.de> <6e4453640711260805h54d62348p85153a40b7a30e8c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6e4453640711260805h54d62348p85153a40b7a30e8c@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Matthias Apitz , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:27:41 -0000 --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 08:05:50AM -0800, Erin McNew wrote: > Ok. Let's see what other information I can provide. >=20 > I was printing from the gimp. I looked at the printer setup, and it said > that it was using lpr. > As for the PCL, the first line was pretty short, and the second line did > start indented. I don't recall if it started where the first ended, but = if > not, it was close to that. I couldn't see any further lines, but apparen= tly > there were more, as the printer kept spitting out pages... The standard printer spooler (lpr) only recognizes a couple of ancient file types (dvi, ditroff etc). It dumps the input that it gets to a printer, without formatting it for a certain printer. That is the job of a spooler. I would suggest that you install the "cups" printer spooler in combination with the "gutenprint" printer driver. If you have those installed correctly, you should be able to select your printer from the gimp, and it should Just Work.=20 You might also need the 'ppd' file for your printer from http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=3DHP-DeskJet_9800. This file tells gutenprint what the capabilities of the printer are. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHSxAWEnfvsMMhpyURArQOAKCBC+reTTOXcHuPFtWGWqsexJZu8wCgq/tK NOBJCpXedp1kJxbaTnhRZ6U= =Bk9y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 18:01:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F3616A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demonichandextensions@hotmail.com) Received: from blu139-omc2-s1.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc2-s1.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3135413C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demonichandextensions@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU116-W31 ([65.55.162.186]) by blu139-omc2-s1.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:49:05 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.59.9.34] From: brad davison To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:49:05 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2007 17:49:05.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[A335FE70:01C83054] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:35:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: apple bonjour served up on FBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:01:07 -0000 I am going to be making my BSD server at home available to my wife's macboo= k running Leopard. I am planning on implementing one of the mDNSResponder systems, but I am ha= ving some issues deciding which one to use. I have found the mDNSResponder from apple itself. I have also found (in no particular order)=20 avahi-server p5-Net-Rendezvous My end goal is a server that will be able to share out iTunes and a printer= to a Bonjour network. Does anyone have a suggestion on a recent setup? _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_1120= 07= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 18:49:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2427E16A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D478713C4EC for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from [85.172.12.119] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1Iwj1O-000ABl-L5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:49:30 +0300 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <001301c82fe1$4e4263e0$6701a8c0@mobility> <200711261802.53776.kneel.pardoe@virgin.net> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:49:17 +0300 In-Reply-To: <200711261802.53776.kneel.pardoe@virgin.net> (neal's message of "Mon\, 26 Nov 2007 18\:02\:53 +0000") Message-ID: <31722434@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [OT] who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:49:32 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:53 +0000 neal wrote: > You want the name 'Hitler' erased from existence. Let the name exist. Else where but the official FreeBSD site. Let this OS be out of politics. WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 18:53:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E833A16A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:53:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from em.eboundhost.com (em.eboundhost.com [65.91.249.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B525E13C474 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:53:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artur@eboundhost.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5FC4C88A7; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:47 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.805 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.805 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.703, BAYES_50=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from em.eboundhost.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (em.eboundhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UfNjK4Sy33fn; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mobility (adsl-75-11-83-244.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [75.11.83.244]) by em.eboundhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4FC4C8890; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000801c8305d$b446a6c0$6d00a8c0@mobility> From: "eBoundHost: Artur" To: "Jerry McAllister" References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126162053.GB71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <004901c8304d$85913440$6d00a8c0@mobility> <20071126172611.GE71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:53:45 -0000 > So, I haven't yet thought of a good, adequately lean, but clarifying > phrase, > though if one comes to me I will submit it, but a clarifying phrase could > well be included and the hitler example remain with it because it > establishes > a very strong case-in-point example. How about something like this: http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html =================== Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive': * Quotes from controversial historical figures, no matter how despicable they were. * Jokes about emacs/vi or your favorite technology, ........ =================== Or something along these lines. It gets the point accross better than "hitler quotes" and does not upset a segment of our users. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 18:57:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CAB16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:57:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39A213C45D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:57:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAQIv5xf092391; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:57:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D854AB8FC; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:57:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:57:04 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <20071126185704.GC19393@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Olivier Nicole , fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com, bob@tania.servebbs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20071121221955.10f80f09@tania.servebbs.org> <20071123032011.57dcfc96@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200711260452.lAQ4qVuN098618@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20071126072727.GA3259@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <474A8CA5.60300@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474A8CA5.60300@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Olivier Nicole , fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com, bob@tania.servebbs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Personalised patches in ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:57:28 -0000 --E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:06:45AM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > Not if you 'chflags schg,sunlnk' it.=20 >=20 > If you add another file into a ports' files directory that cvsup knows > nothing about, then cvsup will refuse to touch it. No need for chflags > in that case. If you need to make local modifications to a file already > in that directory, then yes, cvsup will replace it with the canonical > version next time you update. >=20 > 'portsnap extract' or 'portsnap update' will however blow away local > additions in the part of the ports tree it is operating on -- there are > clear warnings to that effect in the man page. chflags will preserve > your changes in this case, but my guess is that portsnap might well=20 > abort in the middle of what it's doing if it runs into an immutable file. It hasn't aborted on me yet. But these days I tend to keep my own patches separately, and re-apply them if necessary after a portsnap. Just to make sure I don't screw things up. :-/ Having said that, I usually try to get changes accepted into the official ports tree if possible. Saves a lot of hassle. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHSxcAEnfvsMMhpyURAr4dAKCLwEwdSsij9pqF0o7yeBfLmfemmACgmT0h CP4SWXjlnlY/MBSZgjv0uZ0= =Qr6K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 18:51:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6300716A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjfitzgerald@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004E313C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:51:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjfitzgerald@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1837738pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:51:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; bh=RJm1T6+7Tt+0tRRcPn4dMOetqpFJ3ijCAkDTWe+1PE8=; b=TDdC57wPfcfxGA35vWHP7b7pQsfSu1WOo+/dFlsaDpE7fbcQSVOKaxTwUJnuRdeDpt5BNWFIquGgrDBkt5dVhHRATWoGEDGUetferb6/emzkEAhzw1tOjmT0JOI3ZCw2olUQtB0s2RMeqWlRnX1GVJ0pu7NR1tHSUKT1y0RnPOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:from:to:cc:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; b=ru9FsHQ0k/lY5L/BpJd75SeoeW31ecgkwudOqalYPZPxe1TVOFDz5ABobrZuBU/6oF+Wmb80n+oMDCsQF/q64CSd6XFS4EvkGJm8oYv7u6ShUeKHdDDnqwL7mYsMLau+bJno/kzHmddDMEQgi0N6JG+4esmMJEIyzriwWtjGYcc= Received: by 10.65.252.13 with SMTP id e13mr6264525qbs.1196101401688; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from NRWebDEV ( [63.117.33.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e18sm1176134qba.2007.11.26.10.23.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:23:19 -0800 (PST) From: "John J Fitzgerald" To: "'Marian Hettwer'" , "'Dominic Fandrey'" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:24:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgwVS+o7voA0HvqTyezKiCPRnvrCQAAwQ4g Message-ID: <474b0f17.1238400a.6406.798f@mx.google.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:06:40 +0000 Cc: artur@eboundhost.com, 'Frank Shute' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, 'FreeBSD chat' Subject: RE: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:51:15 -0000 Can people stop responding to this thread, especially the personal OT back and forth exchanges? I'm on the freebsd-questions list and it's clogging up my inbox and has nothing to do with the FreeBSD operating system. I think most agree the website should be change to exclude the specific reference to Hitler and I'm going to email the freebsd-www list to see if I can get this change made, unless someone has a better suggestion on how to get it changed. Everything else is very OT. Here's one man's plea to stop this thread now. -JJF -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Marian Hettwer Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:28 PM To: Dominic Fandrey Cc: artur@eboundhost.com; Frank Shute; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: who wrote this On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:13 +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > eBoundHost: Artur wrote: >> 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying >> to do. I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if >> that's what the community thinks is appropriate. What I'm suggesting is >> that we remove his name from the website: >> (http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to >> innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and >> unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of >> insensitive jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings. >> ... > > Quote from the linked website: >> If an entry offends more than a couple of FreeBSD committers and does > not >> contain any objective poignant historical reference, the entry should be > in >> the offensive file. > > I'm not a freebsd committer, but I do feel offended by Hitler quotes > (being > German that is understandable, I think). And it's unthinkable for me to > put > anything he said anywhere else but into offensive. > Just by being his words a quote is put into an offensive (and not amusing) > context. I do agree with this statement above! Besides I wouldn't like to see the name Hitler on freebsd's website. It just doesn't belong there. Especially when the website is saying, that the quotes are not offensive. Please remove that entry, at least. Thanks, Marian _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 19:20:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E4716A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) Received: from hermes.hst.org.za (onix.hst.org.za [209.203.2.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE85E13C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:20:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) Received: from [10.1.11.1] ([10.1.11.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.hst.org.za (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAQJHE9v098108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:17:14 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) From: Jonathan McKeown To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:23:49 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <474AE227.4050005@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <474AE227.4050005@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Organization: Health Systems Trust X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?iso-8859-15?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l?= =?iso-8859-15?q?=3B=7E!42HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?iso-8859-15?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Spam-Score: -4.329 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 209.203.2.133 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7/OpenLDAP: Howto change passwords X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:20:05 -0000 On Monday 26 November 2007 17:11, O. Hartmann wrote: > Hello, > > trying to change passwords on a client machine for a LDAP authenticated > user always fails due to the original passwd() command is not capable of > changing passwords remotely. > Their is a suggested patch, but is there an "official" way to do? Hi Oliver I've asked this question several times, here and on -hackers, with no very helpful response. I checked for PRs and several have been filed at various times and are in various different states. As far as I can tell, the changes necessary to make passwd(1) work with the PAM infrastructure were made some years ago, but were diked out by a switch statement which appears to prevent a change to anything but /etc/passwd or NIS/YP. This switch relies on a set of constants which are themselves commented in the source as being ``bogus''. The answer to our question may well be something like ``historical reasons'' or ``Principle of Least Astonishment'', but please, someone... Is there a sound reason not to remove this guard statement and allow passwd(1) to change passwords in accordance with a PAM policy, as it is coded to do? I've already offered to submit a patch if necessary: it hardly even needs a knowledge of C to fix this one - simply remove a switch statement and replace it with a simple printf. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 19:22:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5506416A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:22:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3949C13C448 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:22:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549DC654FF for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:22:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:22:07 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <9C16E9E4DDF3B9747BA375F5@utd59514.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <474b0f17.1238400a.6406.798f@mx.google.com> References: <474b0f17.1238400a.6406.798f@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: RE: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:22:08 -0000 --On Monday, November 26, 2007 13:24:52 -0500 John J Fitzgerald wrote: > Can people stop responding to this thread, especially the personal OT back > and forth exchanges? I'm on the freebsd-questions list and it's clogging > up my inbox and has nothing to do with the FreeBSD operating system. I > think most agree the website should be change to exclude the specific > reference to Hitler and I'm going to email the freebsd-www list to see if > I can get this change made, unless someone has a better suggestion on how > to get it changed. Everything else is very OT. Here's one man's plea to > stop this thread now. > The answer was posted a while ago. Whoever is so motivated should submit a pr to get the page edited. That's how things are done at FreeBSD. And that should end this thread in questions. -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 19:58:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BAB16A47A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.bluestop.org (muon.bluestop.org [IPv6:2001:41c8:1:548a::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5344A13C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:1::7] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:1::7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.bluestop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72B2C4001; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:58:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <474B2571.7090801@cran.org.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:58:41 +0000 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <20071126095833.GA6422@submonkey.net> <20071126112106.GC2283@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <20071126112106.GC2283@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ceri Davies , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange kernel log message X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:58:46 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2007-11-26 09:58, Ceri Davies wrote: > >> So I have this in my security run output: >> kernel log messages: >> +++ /tmp/security.hLYJI0kF Sun Nov 25 03:01:02 2007 >> +<<<<222>2>>>NNNMNMMIII M III SIISAS SAAA 3 303,020,0 ,, EE IEIIESSSAIAA S A f ffffff >> + >> + >> +f >> >> WTF now? >> >> I'm not sure if that's a real kernel message that got garbled or whether >> I should be worried about naughtiness. >> > > It looks like multiple messages overlapping each other. Removing 3 > characters every 4 bytes in the output produces things which seem > vaguely recognizable: > > <22NNI II A ,,,EISA fff > <<2>NMI SS 300 ISAAfff > > There's a sysctl option which you can tweak to make this less likely to > happen, but I am not sure about its name. Our console gurus can help > you track it down and tune its value :) > > The kernel option I've seen mentioned before to at least make this less common is: options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=128 # Prevent printf output being interspersed. -- Bruce From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:27:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471A916A469 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057C813C4F2 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:27:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org (CPE-75-87-219-217.new.res.rr.com [75.87.219.217]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQKIl7u000319 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:18:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from email.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAQKQrVh019558 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:26:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from 208.49.58.254 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user djp) by email.polands.org with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:26:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <62327.208.49.58.254.1196108813.squirrel@email.polands.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:26:53 -0600 (CST) From: "Doug Poland" To: questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4928/Mon Nov 26 12:10:39 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:27:04 -0000 Hello, This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly after starting X11. I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems. Unforunately, something's still broke. At first, when I tried to access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to: mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc cpuid = 0 Uptime: 9s Physical memory: 3435 MB Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't really clean after several manual runs of fsck. So I disabled softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems again. After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem again, this time getting a panic: panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch cpuid = 1 Uptime: 6m40s Physical memory: 3435 MB Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort Is there a way to identify and fix these errors? I'm thinking a newfs of both /var and /tmp is in order. I don't really care about /tmp, and I've backed up /var using dump(8). My concern is if I restore /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my broken files and have the same problem again. Please advise... -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:28:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A866916A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:28:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesh@lanl.gov) Received: from mailwasher.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [204.121.3.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DAF13C442 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:28:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesh@lanl.gov) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id lAQKStN8028310; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:28:57 -0700 Received: from oppie-mail.lanl.gov (oppie-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.123]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id lAQKStOc014462; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:28:55 -0700 Received: from [128.165.86.60] (p25dual1.lanl.gov [128.165.86.60]) by oppie-mail.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55E21F8006; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:28:49 -0700 (MST) From: James Harrison To: Jonathan McKeown In-Reply-To: <200711262123.49623.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> References: <474AE227.4050005@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <200711262123.49623.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Los Alamos National Labs Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:28:49 -0700 Message-Id: <1196108929.3705.8.camel@p25dual1.lanl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.0 (2.8.0-33.0.1.el5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTN-5-MailScanner-Information: Please see http://network.lanl.gov/email/virus-scan.php X-CTN-5-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CTN-5-MailScanner-From: jamesh@lanl.gov X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7/OpenLDAP: Howto change passwords X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jamesh@lanl.gov List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:28:58 -0000 On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 21:23 +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Monday 26 November 2007 17:11, O. Hartmann wrote: > > Hello, > > > > trying to change passwords on a client machine for a LDAP authenticated > > user always fails due to the original passwd() command is not capable of > > changing passwords remotely. > > Their is a suggested patch, but is there an "official" way to do? > > Hi Oliver > > I've asked this question several times, here and on -hackers, with no very > helpful response. I checked for PRs and several have been filed at various > times and are in various different states. > > As far as I can tell, the changes necessary to make passwd(1) work with the > PAM infrastructure were made some years ago, but were diked out by a switch > statement which appears to prevent a change to anything but /etc/passwd or > NIS/YP. This switch relies on a set of constants which are themselves > commented in the source as being ``bogus''. > > The answer to our question may well be something like ``historical reasons'' > or ``Principle of Least Astonishment'', but please, someone... > > Is there a sound reason not to remove this guard statement and allow passwd(1) > to change passwords in accordance with a PAM policy, as it is coded to do? > > I've already offered to submit a patch if necessary: it hardly even needs a > knowledge of C to fix this one - simply remove a switch statement and replace > it with a simple printf. > > Jonathan > _______________________________________________ My advice would honestly be to write the patch and submit it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:38:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E30D16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A0713C459 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com [192.168.2.61]) (SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:38:37 -0500 id 00056403.474B2ECD.00005CE8 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:38:09 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20071126153809.98ff55b4.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Performance problems after upgrade from xorg 7.2 -> 7.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:38:38 -0000 I upgraded my ports over the holiday, and I'm having a number of problems with xorg. I'll address them one at a time, in order of most problematic ... Right now, the worst is the lousy performance. Using the exact same xorg.conf that I had in 7.2, the performance of window resizes is terrible. I had no problems with this in 7.2. For example, if I open a terminal window, then hit the maximize button, it takes almost 3 seconds to maximize it. Again xorg 7.2 didn't have this problem. Is there some new config option in 7.3 that I need to enable? I'm not seeing performance problems anywhere else that I can find (moving windows around, for example, seems to work fine). Could it be my wm (xfce4) ... as I upgraded it at the same time? FreeBSD vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com 6.2-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p5 #9: Tue Jun 5 17:33:30 EDT 2007 root@vanquish.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VANQUISH i386 $ dmesg | grep Radeon drm0: port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem 0xe8000000-0xefffffff,0xfe5e0000-0xfe5effff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci4 $ pkg_info | grep xorg xorg-7.3_1 X.Org complete distribution metaport xorg-apps-7.3 X.org apps meta-port xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_2 X.org cf files for use with imake builds xorg-docs-1.4,1 X.org documentation files xorg-drivers-7.3 X.org drivers meta-port xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.3 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-7.3 X.org fonts meta-port xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.3 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.3 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.3 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-truetype-7.3 X.Org TrueType fonts xorg-fonts-type1-7.3 X.Org Type1 fonts xorg-libraries-7.3_1 X.org libraries meta-port xorg-protos-7.3 X.org protos meta-port xorg-server-1.4_3,1 X.Org X server and related programs $ pkg_info | grep xfce gtk-xfce-engine-2.4.1_1 An XFCE engine for GTK 2.0 libxfce4gui-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 widget library required by xfce4 and xfwm4 libxfce4mcs-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings management library used by most XFce 4 modu libxfce4util-4.4.1 XFce 4 library with non-graphical helper functions mousepad-0.2.12_2 Simple xfce editor xfce-4.4.1_1 The "meta-port" for the XFce 4 desktop environment xfce4-appfinder-4.4.1_1 Find application in the system supporting Desktop entry for xfce4-desktop-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 desktop background manager and root menu xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.1_1 Icon themes for XFce 4 xfce4-mcs-manager-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings manager xfce4-mcs-plugins-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings manager plugins xfce4-mixer-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 volume mixer module for xfce4-panel xfce4-panel-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 panel module xfce4-print-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 graphical frontend for printing xfce4-session-4.4.1_1 Session manager for the Xfce 4 desktop environment xfce4-utils-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 essential utilities and scripts xfce4-wm-4.4.1_2 XFce 4 window manager xfce4-wm-themes-4.4.1 XFce 4 window decoration themes for xfwm4 -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ wmoran@collaborativefusion.com Phone: 412-422-3463x4023 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:47:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFF616A418; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from smtp.utwente.nl (unknown [IPv6:2001:610:1908:1000:204:23ff:feb5:7e66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B488C13C465; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from lux.student.utwente.nl (lux.student.utwente.nl [130.89.170.81]) by smtp.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id lAQKktnk000300; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:46:56 +0100 From: Pieter de Goeje To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:46:55 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071126153809.98ff55b4.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <20071126153809.98ff55b4.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711262146.55451.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact helpdesk@ITBE.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=8.713, vereist 5, BAYES_50 0.00, LG_4C_2V_3C 0.05, OACYS_CONS_6 1.00, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10, RM_sl_LeadChar 0.10, TW_BX 0.08, TW_FW 0.08, TW_GT 0.08, TW_IB 0.08, TW_XD 0.08, TW_XF 0.08, _UT_RADIO_SUB 4.00, _UT_VRIEND_SUB 3.00) X-UTwente-MailScanner-SpamScore: ssssssss X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: pieter@degoeje.nl X-Spam-Status: Yes Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Bill Moran Subject: Re: Performance problems after upgrade from xorg 7.2 -> 7.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:10 -0000 On Monday 26 November 2007, Bill Moran wrote: > I upgraded my ports over the holiday, and I'm having a number > of problems with xorg. I'll address them one at a time, in > order of most problematic ... > > Right now, the worst is the lousy performance. Using the exact > same xorg.conf that I had in 7.2, the performance of window > resizes is terrible. I had no problems with this in 7.2. > > For example, if I open a terminal window, then hit the maximize > button, it takes almost 3 seconds to maximize it. Again xorg > 7.2 didn't have this problem. Is there some new config option > in 7.3 that I need to enable? I'm not seeing performance > problems anywhere else that I can find (moving windows around, > for example, seems to work fine). > > Could it be my wm (xfce4) ... as I upgraded it at the same time? > > FreeBSD vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com 6.2-RELEASE-p5 > FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p5 #9: Tue Jun 5 17:33:30 EDT 2007 > root@vanquish.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VANQUIS >H i386 > > $ dmesg | grep Radeon > drm0: port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem > 0xe8000000-0xefffffff,0xfe5e0000-0xfe5effff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci4 > > $ pkg_info | grep xorg > xorg-7.3_1 X.Org complete distribution metaport > xorg-apps-7.3 X.org apps meta-port > xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_2 X.org cf files for use with imake builds > xorg-docs-1.4,1 X.org documentation files > xorg-drivers-7.3 X.org drivers meta-port > xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.3 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-7.3 X.org fonts meta-port > xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.3 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.3 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.3 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-truetype-7.3 X.Org TrueType fonts > xorg-fonts-type1-7.3 X.Org Type1 fonts > xorg-libraries-7.3_1 X.org libraries meta-port > xorg-protos-7.3 X.org protos meta-port > xorg-server-1.4_3,1 X.Org X server and related programs > > $ pkg_info | grep xfce > gtk-xfce-engine-2.4.1_1 An XFCE engine for GTK 2.0 > libxfce4gui-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 widget library required by xfce4 and xfwm4 > libxfce4mcs-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings management library used by most XFce 4 > modu libxfce4util-4.4.1 XFce 4 library with non-graphical helper functions > mousepad-0.2.12_2 Simple xfce editor > xfce-4.4.1_1 The "meta-port" for the XFce 4 desktop environment > xfce4-appfinder-4.4.1_1 Find application in the system supporting Desktop > entry for xfce4-desktop-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 desktop background manager and root > menu xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.1_1 Icon themes for XFce 4 > xfce4-mcs-manager-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings manager > xfce4-mcs-plugins-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings manager plugins > xfce4-mixer-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 volume mixer module for xfce4-panel > xfce4-panel-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 panel module > xfce4-print-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 graphical frontend for printing > xfce4-session-4.4.1_1 Session manager for the Xfce 4 desktop environment > xfce4-utils-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 essential utilities and scripts > xfce4-wm-4.4.1_2 XFce 4 window manager > xfce4-wm-themes-4.4.1 XFce 4 window decoration themes for xfwm4 Some components of xfce have trouble with the composite extension, which is enabled by default in 7.3. Add the following section to xorg.conf to fix: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Disable" EndSection Hope this helps, Pieter de Goeje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:47:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFF616A418; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from smtp.utwente.nl (unknown [IPv6:2001:610:1908:1000:204:23ff:feb5:7e66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B488C13C465; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from lux.student.utwente.nl (lux.student.utwente.nl [130.89.170.81]) by smtp.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id lAQKktnk000300; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:46:56 +0100 From: Pieter de Goeje To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:46:55 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071126153809.98ff55b4.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <20071126153809.98ff55b4.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711262146.55451.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact helpdesk@ITBE.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=8.713, vereist 5, BAYES_50 0.00, LG_4C_2V_3C 0.05, OACYS_CONS_6 1.00, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10, RM_sl_LeadChar 0.10, TW_BX 0.08, TW_FW 0.08, TW_GT 0.08, TW_IB 0.08, TW_XD 0.08, TW_XF 0.08, _UT_RADIO_SUB 4.00, _UT_VRIEND_SUB 3.00) X-UTwente-MailScanner-SpamScore: ssssssss X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: pieter@degoeje.nl X-Spam-Status: Yes Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Bill Moran Subject: Re: Performance problems after upgrade from xorg 7.2 -> 7.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:10 -0000 On Monday 26 November 2007, Bill Moran wrote: > I upgraded my ports over the holiday, and I'm having a number > of problems with xorg. I'll address them one at a time, in > order of most problematic ... > > Right now, the worst is the lousy performance. Using the exact > same xorg.conf that I had in 7.2, the performance of window > resizes is terrible. I had no problems with this in 7.2. > > For example, if I open a terminal window, then hit the maximize > button, it takes almost 3 seconds to maximize it. Again xorg > 7.2 didn't have this problem. Is there some new config option > in 7.3 that I need to enable? I'm not seeing performance > problems anywhere else that I can find (moving windows around, > for example, seems to work fine). > > Could it be my wm (xfce4) ... as I upgraded it at the same time? > > FreeBSD vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com 6.2-RELEASE-p5 > FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p5 #9: Tue Jun 5 17:33:30 EDT 2007 > root@vanquish.pgh.priv.collaborativefusion.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VANQUIS >H i386 > > $ dmesg | grep Radeon > drm0: port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem > 0xe8000000-0xefffffff,0xfe5e0000-0xfe5effff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci4 > > $ pkg_info | grep xorg > xorg-7.3_1 X.Org complete distribution metaport > xorg-apps-7.3 X.org apps meta-port > xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_2 X.org cf files for use with imake builds > xorg-docs-1.4,1 X.org documentation files > xorg-drivers-7.3 X.org drivers meta-port > xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.3 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-7.3 X.org fonts meta-port > xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.3 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.3 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.3 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-truetype-7.3 X.Org TrueType fonts > xorg-fonts-type1-7.3 X.Org Type1 fonts > xorg-libraries-7.3_1 X.org libraries meta-port > xorg-protos-7.3 X.org protos meta-port > xorg-server-1.4_3,1 X.Org X server and related programs > > $ pkg_info | grep xfce > gtk-xfce-engine-2.4.1_1 An XFCE engine for GTK 2.0 > libxfce4gui-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 widget library required by xfce4 and xfwm4 > libxfce4mcs-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings management library used by most XFce 4 > modu libxfce4util-4.4.1 XFce 4 library with non-graphical helper functions > mousepad-0.2.12_2 Simple xfce editor > xfce-4.4.1_1 The "meta-port" for the XFce 4 desktop environment > xfce4-appfinder-4.4.1_1 Find application in the system supporting Desktop > entry for xfce4-desktop-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 desktop background manager and root > menu xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.1_1 Icon themes for XFce 4 > xfce4-mcs-manager-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings manager > xfce4-mcs-plugins-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 settings manager plugins > xfce4-mixer-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 volume mixer module for xfce4-panel > xfce4-panel-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 panel module > xfce4-print-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 graphical frontend for printing > xfce4-session-4.4.1_1 Session manager for the Xfce 4 desktop environment > xfce4-utils-4.4.1_1 XFce 4 essential utilities and scripts > xfce4-wm-4.4.1_2 XFce 4 window manager > xfce4-wm-themes-4.4.1 XFce 4 window decoration themes for xfwm4 Some components of xfce have trouble with the composite extension, which is enabled by default in 7.3. Add the following section to xorg.conf to fix: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Disable" EndSection Hope this helps, Pieter de Goeje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:50:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A586C16A4CB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jay@splitstreams.com) Received: from mailer.splitstreams.com (mailer.splitstreams.com [208.42.101.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDBA13C44B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jay@splitstreams.com) Received: from mail.splitstreams.com (mail.splitstreams.com [10.0.0.25]) by mailer.splitstreams.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A5D2282B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from [209.180.20.178] (monkey.oss.uswest.net [209.180.20.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jay@splitstreams.com) by mail.splitstreams.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427FB4AC55 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <474B2DAD.5000309@splitstreams.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:49 -0600 From: Jay Deiman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070920) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on postfix.splitstreams.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Kill states with pfctl wildcard? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:50:04 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, I'm wondering if there is a "wildcard" that can be used in conjunction with "pfctl -k". Specifically, if I wanted to kill states from any number of internal machines to one external address. Basically a command such as: pfctl -k any -k external.host.com I've tried the word "any" (as above) and that does not work. Is there any way to do this? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:00:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D4716A46D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from smtp224.math.arizona.edu (smtp224.math.arizona.edu [128.196.224.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09DC13C459 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from Debian-exim by smtp224.math.arizona.edu with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Iwl5W-0007xV-Hh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:02:00 -0700 Received: from 71-220-154-82.tcsn.qwest.net ([71.220.154.82] helo=.domain.actdsltmp) by smtp224.math.arizona.edu with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1Iwl5N-0007wv-0B; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:01:45 -0700 Message-ID: <474B33F0.5040000@math.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:00:32 -0700 From: Predrag Punosevac User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070916) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominic Marks References: <474AD605.7060300@goodforbusiness.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <474AD605.7060300@goodforbusiness.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ACL-Warn: The HELO/EHLO greeting .domain.actdsltmp is invalid X-Outgoing-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:00:56 -0000 Dominic Marks wrote: > List, > > Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing > (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently? > I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain > the last > time I looked at it. > > If you are using this for "real-work" and you are getting good results > please > let me know what you are using (software and hardware ideally). > > The environment I would like to put this into is a family house, very > small > setup with 2 PCs and 2 printers. Currently both are Windows PCs but > one is experiencing all of the classic issues with a multi-year Windows > installation and since they are used exclusively for E-Mail and word > processing I am interested in migrating one PC over to FreeBSD. > > .. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I would > also be interested. > ... I am not a subscriber so please keep me CC'ed in the discussion. > > Cheers > Dominic > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" My printing works perfect on all my machines (6 in total) and 2 printers. including printing from applications like Gimp. Printers are HP OfficeJet R60 and HP LaserJet 4L. I used both CUPS and LPD + apsfilter. I prefer LPD+apsfilter in particularly since LPD is included in base distribution. I have not played too much with LPRng+ifhp but I was able to set up basic printing in 30 minutes using that spooling system as well. I noticed that many applications have substandard built in ps filters. CUPS base filter cannot print dvi files :-(. I found a2ps useful for conversion to ps. Cheers, Predrag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:03:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C3716A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5B713C46B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org (CPE-75-87-219-217.new.res.rr.com [75.87.219.217]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQKxP4V021682 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:59:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from email.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAQL3gd0019722; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:03:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from 208.49.58.254 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user djp) by email.polands.org with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:03:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19181.208.49.58.254.1196111022.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <62327.208.49.58.254.1196108813.squirrel@email.polands.org> References: <62327.208.49.58.254.1196108813.squirrel@email.polands.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:03:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Doug Poland" To: "Doug Poland" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4928/Mon Nov 26 12:10:39 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:03:44 -0000 On Mon, November 26, 2007 14:26, Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly > after starting X11. I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup > of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems. > > Unforunately, something's still broke. At first, when I tried to > access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to: > > mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp > panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc > cpuid = 0 > Uptime: 9s > Physical memory: 3435 MB > Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. > status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 > > ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** > Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort > > > After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't > really clean after several manual runs of fsck. So I disabled > softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems again. > After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem again, this > time getting a panic: > > panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch > cpuid = 1 > Uptime: 6m40s > Physical memory: 3435 MB > Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. > status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 > > ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** > Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort > > Is there a way to identify and fix these errors? I'm thinking a newfs > of both /var and /tmp is in order. I don't really care about /tmp, > and I've backed up /var using dump(8). My concern is if I restore > /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my broken files and > have the same problem again. > Just a follow-up... Everytime I run a manual fsck on the problem filesystems, it returns: BLK(S) MISSING IN BITMAPS SALVAGE? ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** So it would appear that fsck is unable to repair damage, is that correct? -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:03:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED7E16A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CA413C468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:03:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D018B21C710 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:03:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.152.165.74] (helo=freebsdangel.de) by smtp08.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1Iwl7U-0005Cj-00 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:03:56 +0100 Message-ID: <474B34C7.6000906@web.de> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:04:07 +0100 From: Tino Engel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: elrap@web.de X-Sender: elrap@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+6ynBG88AxGE0m/p9TNlEg3Gl3cPgssy+WQ24P 4c2XLMu9WY2Wk9R41UVILqifZxjug4M18z0FZ9FjmmiUPauE3q nOsnutFF0= Cc: Subject: 1GB USB-Fat device refusing access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:03:58 -0000 Dear all, I am currently trying to get my mp3-player to work with freebsd. FreeBSD freebsdangel.de 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #1: Sun Nov 18 15:40:16 CET 2007 root@freebsdangel.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 When attaching the device to an usb-port I receive an error message as follows: uhub2: device problem (INVAL), disabling port 6 I slightly recall, that for FAT devices over 512MB some "largefile-option" had to be enabled. But as far as I have googled, the option is deprecated on 7.0. It makes no difference running the device in MTP (Microsoft semi-proprietary MediaTransferProtokoll as implemented in libmtp on FreeBSD) or MSC (MassStorageClass -> "external usb-disc mode") mode, the error stay the same. Common Linux-Test reports say my device is working fine on linux. So it should on FreeBSD I guess. Has anyone an idea, how to get more detailled input (than I got from dmesg) or how to enable the device. Best regards, Tino From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:06:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE27F16A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from smtp102.math.arizona.edu (smtp102.math.arizona.edu [128.196.102.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D1613C447 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from Debian-exim by smtp102.math.arizona.edu with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Iwl9O-0000Dq-Mm for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:06:00 -0700 Received: from 71-220-154-82.tcsn.qwest.net ([71.220.154.82] helo=.domain.actdsltmp) by smtp102.math.arizona.edu with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1Iwl98-0000DL-W2; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:05:39 -0700 Message-ID: <474B351C.4070007@math.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:05:32 -0700 From: Predrag Punosevac User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070916) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erin McNew References: <6e4453640711252223l1a7fd69cna36851f6746e9fa7@mail.gmail.com> <20071126072700.GA3275@rebelion.Sisis.de> <6e4453640711260805h54d62348p85153a40b7a30e8c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6e4453640711260805h54d62348p85153a40b7a30e8c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ACL-Warn: The HELO/EHLO greeting .domain.actdsltmp is invalid X-Outgoing-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Cc: Matthias Apitz , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:06:08 -0000 Erin McNew wrote: > On Nov 25, 2007 11:27 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > >> El día Sunday, November 25, 2007 a las 10:23:05PM -0800, Erin McNew >> escribió: >> >> >>> I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to >>> >> have >> >>> run into a bit of a snag. I just tried to print out a picture as a >>> >> test, >> >>> and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page >>> >> of >> >>> photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty >>> >> (taught >> >>> me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of >>> photo paper in the printer...) >>> Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people >>> >> having >> >>> this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong. I'm using >>> >> the >> >>> hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works >>> perfectly for my other hp printer. Is this printer just not supported >>> >> by >> >>> FreeBSD? I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my >>> quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for >>> things to check, etc. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> ~TuxGirl >>> >> Maybe it could help if you explain exactly how do you print the >> file, from command line or from some kind of application? >> The PCL across the top of one page, does it looks like stairs? >> I.e. does start the 2nd line where 1st line ends? >> >> matthias >> >> > > Ok. Let's see what other information I can provide. > > I was printing from the gimp. I looked at the printer setup, and it said > that it was using lpr. > As for the PCL, the first line was pretty short, and the second line did > start indented. I don't recall if it started where the first ended, but if > not, it was close to that. I couldn't see any further lines, but apparently > there were more, as the printer kept spitting out pages... > > Thanks! > ~Erin > > That is a probably a Gimp problem. You have to configure printing on Gimp before you start printing. What kind of ps filter does Gimp use? What happens when you manually pass your image through a2ps filter and try to print that ps file. Do you still have bad image? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:18:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D55916A468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:18:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-35.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-35.bluehost.com [69.89.18.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E042D13C4DD for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 16259 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2007 21:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 21:18:55 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwlLz-0008UM-83 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:18:55 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQLJU0V034885 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:19:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQLJUHh034884 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:19:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:19:29 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20071126211929.GI29622@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126005855.GA74363@aleph.cepheid.org> <000901c82fce$7558ee30$6701a8c0@mobility> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000901c82fce$7558ee30$6701a8c0@mobility> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:18:56 -0000 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 07:48:35PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > Erik, > > This is a very wise thing that you just said, and I agree with you almost > completely. The difference is that your very own words are a brilliant way > to say it, and would be wonderful to replace the "Hitler quotes" that is > there now. So, if someone would replace it with your quote, I would be > completely satisfied: > > >>the speaker of the quote is not to be the > >>basis for categorizing the quote as offensive. Considering the very specific tendency of some people to find any mention of Hitler offensive, I'd say the text should be modified in a manner similar to this: A quote whose source you find offensive. This includes, but is not limited to, Hitler quotes. . . . or we could just leave it as is, with a footnote explaining the meaning behind the mention of Hitler quotes. Either way, I rather suspect that entirely failing to mention "Hitler quotes" specifically will result in greater incidence of people complaining that Hitler quotes should be removed. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Anonymous: "Eat your crow early, while it's young and tender. Don't wait until it's old and tough." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:22:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F046716A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7FE13C448 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com [192.168.2.61]) (SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:11:47 -0500 id 00056441.474B3693.0000633B Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:11:18 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Pieter de Goeje Message-Id: <20071126161118.842e05bb.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <200711262146.55451.pieter@degoeje.nl> References: <20071126153809.98ff55b4.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <200711262146.55451.pieter@degoeje.nl> Organization: Collaborative Fusion X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Performance problems after upgrade from xorg 7.2 -> 7.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:22:05 -0000 In response to Pieter de Goeje : > On Monday 26 November 2007, Bill Moran wrote: > > I upgraded my ports over the holiday, and I'm having a number > > of problems with xorg. I'll address them one at a time, in > > order of most problematic ... > > > > Right now, the worst is the lousy performance. Using the exact > > same xorg.conf that I had in 7.2, the performance of window > > resizes is terrible. I had no problems with this in 7.2. > > > > For example, if I open a terminal window, then hit the maximize > > button, it takes almost 3 seconds to maximize it. Again xorg > > 7.2 didn't have this problem. Is there some new config option > > in 7.3 that I need to enable? I'm not seeing performance > > problems anywhere else that I can find (moving windows around, > > for example, seems to work fine). > > > > Could it be my wm (xfce4) ... as I upgraded it at the same time? [snip] > Some components of xfce have trouble with the composite extension, which is > enabled by default in 7.3. > Add the following section to xorg.conf to fix: > > Section "Extensions" > Option "Composite" "Disable" > EndSection > > Hope this helps, It absolutely solved the problem. Thanks! -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ wmoran@collaborativefusion.com Phone: 412-422-3463x4023 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:25:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC77216A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:25:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-35.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-35.bluehost.com [69.89.18.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CB3413C442 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:25:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 30006 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2007 21:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 21:25:47 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwlSc-0001Qf-T6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:25:47 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQLQME9034949 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:26:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQLQLw6034948 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:26:21 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126212621.GJ29622@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <001301c82fe1$4e4263e0$6701a8c0@mobility> <200711261802.53776.kneel.pardoe@virgin.net> <31722434@ipt.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <31722434@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: [OT] who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:25:47 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:49:17PM +0300, Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:53 +0000 neal wrote: > > > You want the name 'Hitler' erased from existence. > > Let the name exist. > Else where but the official FreeBSD site. > Let this OS be out of politics. . . . by censoring the word "Hitler"? -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] They always say that when life gives you lemons you should make lemonade. I always wonder -- isn't the lemonade going to suck if life doesn't give you any sugar? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:33:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E5816A46C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:33:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-19.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-19.bluehost.com [69.89.20.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E41CA13C4E8 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 25798 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2007 21:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 21:33:16 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwlZs-0002zS-N3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:16 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQLXqAL034984 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQLXp5j034983 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:51 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126213351.GK29622@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> <474AF981.3080709@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474AF981.3080709@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:33:19 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:51:13PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > > 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying > > to do. I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if > > that's what the community thinks is appropriate. What I'm suggesting is > > that we remove his name from the website: > > (http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to > > innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and > > unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of > > insensitive jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings. > > ... > > Quote from the linked website: > > If an entry offends more than a couple of FreeBSD committers and does not > > contain any objective poignant historical reference, the entry should be in > > the offensive file. > > I'm not a freebsd committer, but I do feel offended by Hitler quotes (being > German that is understandable, I think). And it's unthinkable for me to put > anything he said anywhere else but into offensive. > Just by being his words a quote is put into an offensive (and not amusing) > context. I'm offended by Germany's tendency to jail people for talking about Hitler, too -- but I don't let that convince me to killfile everything said by Germans on this list. Just as not all things Hitler said should necessarily be wiped from memory (in fact, I believe they should be carefully saved and studied to help us understand where the world went wrong in allowing his crimes to be committed), not all statements by people who want to censor Hitler's words (or even those that happen to be nationally associated with such people) should be censored either. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Thomas McCauley: "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:38:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42AA16A421 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-57.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-57.bluehost.com [69.89.20.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80D9413C4DD for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 24070 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2007 21:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 21:38:33 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Iwlez-0003vp-NY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:38:33 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQLd95Z035016 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQLd8G0035015 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:39:08 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126213908.GL29622@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:38:34 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:05:05AM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > > 1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an > appropriate forum to express political views. so whether we are for or > against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really does not > matter. what matters is how good our coding is, and how appropriate the > wording on our website. because like it or not, we have to present a > decent website that does not offend our users and does not make us look bad > in front of non-users. I find that ironic, considering any attempt to pretend Hitler didn't exist is, in itself, a political statement. The statement that Hitler quotes are not to be relegated to the "offensive" file just because Hitler said them is about as anti-political a statement as one can make. It basically means "I don't care about your political sensibilities. Quotes will be judged based on whether they're interesting, not whether you have some kind of political problem with them." It's more succinct, though, and makes the very clear point that people should stop trying to get Hitler quotes moved into "offensive". > > grandmother also has some interesting things to say but you don't put her > name on the front page of the Fortune program because it's not appropriate. > Same thing here. Just not an appropriate forum. What Hitler said wasn't placed on the FreeBSD fortune page, either. Your analogy is broken. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Larry Wall: "A script is what you give the actors. A program is what you give the audience." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:43:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A80916A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:43:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED3213C459 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:43:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from smtp05.web.de (fmsmtp05.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.4.166]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8783EB363192 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:43:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.152.165.74] (helo=freebsdangel.de) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1IwljN-00021a-00 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:43:05 +0100 Message-ID: <474B3DF4.5070807@web.de> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:43:16 +0100 From: Tino Engel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <474B34C7.6000906@web.de> In-Reply-To: <474B34C7.6000906@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: elrap@web.de X-Sender: elrap@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/XjlEr+dFCySKv7ZUxyrDJsTa/lkSUD2r/HOA6 x0xamQSOn3cQGiH17In+8iOiAz4Bk1sX5N5TF0PJ6eb30G6hqP oNIbMZsc8= Cc: Subject: [SOLVED] Re: 1GB USB-Fat device refusing access X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:43:07 -0000 Tino Engel schrieb: > Dear all, > > I am currently trying to get my mp3-player to work with freebsd. > > FreeBSD freebsdangel.de 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #1: Sun Nov 18 > 15:40:16 CET 2007 > root@freebsdangel.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > > When attaching the device to an usb-port I receive an error message as > follows: > > uhub2: device problem (INVAL), disabling port 6 > > I slightly recall, that for FAT devices over 512MB some > "largefile-option" had to be enabled. > But as far as I have googled, the option is deprecated on 7.0. > > It makes no difference running the device in MTP (Microsoft > semi-proprietary MediaTransferProtokoll as implemented in libmtp on > FreeBSD) or MSC (MassStorageClass -> "external usb-disc mode") mode, > the error stay the same. > > Common Linux-Test reports say my device is working fine on linux. So > it should on FreeBSD I guess. > > > Has anyone an idea, how to get more detailled input (than I got from > dmesg) or how to enable the device. > > Best regards, Tino > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Well, I solved the problem myself. Attaching to another uhub solved the problem (whysoever) Greez, Tino From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 22:17:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB86416A474 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0198B13C457; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:17:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474B4610.5020702@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:17:52 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> <474A9DCD.6020500@FreeBSD.org> <3aaaa3a0711260734tb0a46a3kac3b423bfd89582b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3aaaa3a0711260734tb0a46a3kac3b423bfd89582b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tore Lund , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:17:44 -0000 Chris wrote: > On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: >> Tore Lund wrote: >>> Ivan Voras wrote: >>>> Dave wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any >>>>> outstanding issues? >>>> Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as >>>> well start using it now. >>>> >>>> It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly >>>> test it for your own workload before using it in production. >>> Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions? >>> I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to >>> me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming release. >> freebsd-stable is probably best. >> >>> In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any >>> packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 >>> when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command >>> line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from >>> 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. >> That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release >> cycle. >> >>> Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have >>> read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of >>> 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands >>> than use the old, rickety sysinstall. >> One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to >> replace sysinstall. >> >> Kris >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page > faults) are? > I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a > page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet > both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3 > I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop > use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended. Is > FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path? Of course not :P What are the PR references? > Try this. > > Login to twice on ssh. > If not root su both to root. > using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. > on the first tty type 'killall watch' > you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer > is counting down. I can confirm this. > Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. But not this. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 22:28:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0265016A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:28:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8151D13C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAQMRqPM019819 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:27:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id lAO5KUBR001513 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:20:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:20:08 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20071124052008.GA948@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. Cc: Subject: tao2 won't reboot. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:28:06 -0000 I rebuilt and installed new kernel; now the boot process hangs at sio0; it looks like it is having trouble with irq4. at the start of the boot process it says it''s missing "AUTOload"; this is probably why it won't boot. suggestions welcome. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 00:52:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A5516A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4373513C45A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: (qmail 99910 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 00:52:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=xq8AN0ehpPl8imvcBwav0NCwPG+jRxfBT+V1ImNpWc+UPBvoBOpGEr+a58AoCpW6VDIRrNrv+5vE02LVNeWw5ST2/M8F1UaFk7JF8SFWaJFUZkE6p6Uj/sWw0k8Sa1xUsaweR164db5CXvk2Zfkp4qcTjg+AmhjHOQYyI+Deusg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.7.236.228?) (jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 00:52:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vd6xha8VM1l0rx5nvdvKtmdIJ6rvisN4yXA.thJfJKyPz5v7Xo4gqpW4.R5iCmbinpj8s0OAMg-- In-Reply-To: <20071126055614.5FD1.GERARD@seibercom.net> References: <3710.10.202.77.103.1196026478.squirrel@webmail.superhero.nl> <20071126055614.5FD1.GERARD@seibercom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2854bfb4a1bd36877e398b36f610daf5@prodigy.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions From: jekillen Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:53:44 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Subject: Re: short Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:52:49 -0000 On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:57 AM, Gerard Seibert wrote: >> On November 25, 2007 at 09:51PM jekillen wrote: > > [ snip ] > >> Thank you all for responses. >> I did get this straightened out: >> It is mysql_enable="YES" >> and putting a script named mysql >> in the /etc/rc.d directory with the >> lines; >> #! /bin/sh >> /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql & >> did the trick. This is what the mysql docs >> prescribe for starting the server. Perhaps >> that is not the best way to go about it at >> system start, but it works. >> Thanks again; >> Jeff K > > Did you install this from ports? If so. the script would have been > placed > there all ready. Yes, that is what provoked the original question. I had built and installed from source tarball in the past. But one machine was always a problem. Once I did install from ports I was lacking info. The startup script was not in /etc/rc.d (although I have subsequently got into on /usr/local/etc/rc.d) I had followed instructions from MySQL documentation and put the script they supplied in /etc/rc.d; mysql.server, but for some reason the script did not actually start MyQSL. But the systems seems to look for some thing with mysql in the name and runs it if it is in /etc/rc.d. That is how I figured out what to do. (or maybe the system will try to run anything that is in /etc/rc.d if there is a corresponding enable line in rc.conf it understands). The academic question is, is the program that runs the startup routine, itself a script or is it a binary? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 01:35:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC20B16A41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:35:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F5913C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:35:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAR1ZkiR022820 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id lAR1Zklc022819 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:35:46 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20071127013546.GA22291@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. Cc: Subject: Am I back? Re: kernel fault trying to add atapicam... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:35:47 -0000 Folks (to the whole list, but esp'ly Messes Smith [NL & AU], I'll believe that my ISDN link is working when/if I see this echoed from the -questions list. I was busy rebuilding my 6.2 GENERIC kernel after having added ^device atapicam 72 hours ago when my feed slowed, then stopped. It `sputtered' a couple times over the next several hours. By 03:35 I was convinced that every thing on my LAN was working perfectly. My ISP said it was my ISDN line; they called the local telco. Turned out that the telco would have to "roll a truck". Which may have already happened since I saw blinking LED's on my router. ((*****)) Lest I stray *too* far OT, I'll share the results of my 3rd kernel rebuild on this Dell. It crapped out; it hung after printing out the sio0 line. I had to powercycle and went in by typing "8" (??) and by hand booting /boot/kernel.old. I tried twice more by removing part of the additions to GENERIC. Same; the new kernel still hung. Here are the sizes of the new kernel (with atapicam) and the old. -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 7206901 Nov 23 21:00 kernel -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4001279 Apr 9 2007 kernel I realize that drivers can require a lot of space, but not over 1.2 megs. Att any rate, the newer kernel hangs. I will upgrade to the newest 6.2 and try to get the audio toys functioning. But does anybody know where I fouled up? Could it be as simple as Not having done a make clean before doing a make buildkernel? I don't burn // copy audio discs that often and haven't ever copied a DVD; I just want these new utilities to work. Thanks, people, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 01:43:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBD416A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 598FB13C458 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 80821 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 01:43:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=SLPaW7+TknkxJlOrxgyRBiv9dqJGnmlqhhiKsjIU8Png7pNb6K+ytFllMoJjBsf9PgvhfaAX9m+HDYQjaFIHbgBErJZH4Tj04L9QEdG6ZGNYbaQr7uET6TubWeQOKXFzEhifYo4HVA15gDOBSGem8l9bXGxnM8ITDshKqJDTcIc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO napoleon.local) (mike.jeays@rogers.com@99.224.73.40 with login) by smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 01:43:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QcHcax0VM1k4WdElcmd9pRQXOVUhoCX3URSvaUNsy_MQWuFK3zHH1dSAaQ5O0mtbpg-- From: Mike Jeays To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:44:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711262044.03906.mike.jeays@rogers.com> Cc: Subject: Automatic FSCK for an ext2 disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:43:20 -0000 I added a second IDE disk to a FreeBSD system, and formatted it as ext2. (I do have a good reason for doing this). The system lost power last night. On reboot, the UFS filesystems were repaired automatically, but I had to do a manual fsck on the new disk in single-user mode. Is there a way to make sure an ext2 filesystem gets automatically fscked as well as the UFS partitions on the primary disk? -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 03:19:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B2516A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:19:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCADC13C455 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:19:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 27417 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 03:19:55 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 27 Nov 2007 03:19:54 -0000 Message-ID: <474B8CD3.2030906@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:19:47 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eBoundHost: Artur References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> In-Reply-To: <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Frank Shute , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:19:58 -0000 Hi, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: >>> > > 1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an > appropriate forum to express political views. so whether we are for or > against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really does > not matter. what matters is how good our coding is, and how appropriate > the wording on our website. because like it or not, we have to present > a decent website that does not offend our users and does not make us > look bad in front of non-users. this reasoning was one of the main excuses of Germans after the war was lost. 'I only did my job'. > > that's what the community thinks is appropriate. What I'm suggesting is > that we remove his name from the website: Is there a shorter way to express the same thing? > freedoms. All they will see is that we seemingly support Hitler. Why > don't we have other names controversial during our times like Mussolini, > Stalin, or even Gorge Bush? Because they are just lousy copy cats. But one has at least a serious chance to make it up to become the new leader of the pack. > One thing is for sure, Adolf Schicklgruber still keep people busy. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 04:21:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E8E16A419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tony@techvalley.ca) Received: from mail2.techvalley.ca (mail2.techvalley.ca [66.199.130.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6781013C45D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tony@techvalley.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.techvalley.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5D12304C0 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:04:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at techvalley.ca Received: from mail2.techvalley.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail2.techvalley.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2yHz+iFYvvCv for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:04:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.techvalley.ca (S0106000ea62b0175.vs.shawcable.net [24.85.105.0]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.techvalley.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FFA2301FF for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:04:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from monsoon2.techvalley.ca ([192.168.1.1]) by mail.techvalley.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAR46pF7045285 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@techvalley.ca) Message-Id: <200711270406.lAR46pF7045285@mail.techvalley.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:04:48 -0800 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Tech Valley Internet - Tony Kivits Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: eyeOS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:21:07 -0000 Hello, I have just installed eyeOS from the ports but have noticed that the port is a little out of date. Has anyone had any success in updating to eyeOS 1.2 and if so, what did you have to do to make it work? I have tried to run the update.php script but that seems to break things. Thanks, Tony Kivits From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 05:23:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A134E16A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C5013C45B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:23:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR5MrH4093654; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:22:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Bob Richards" , Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:24:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <20071126114525.338f3935@tania.servebbs.org> Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: RE: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:23:04 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Bob Richards > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:45 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a > new port if send-pr is broken) > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:59 +0200 > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > > > I don't think there's an easy way to set up the local Sendmail > > installation to *receive* email from the world without some sort of > > `static address' though. > > Actually there is an easy way, I do it here at my work station which is > on a boat, and uses many different modes of connectivity. All of which > are floating IPs. > > Get a domain name at dyndns. ANYTHING.servebbs.com/net/org. (it's free) > > You can also DNS any domain you own for about $29.00/Year, and simply > MX your mail to your dynamic domain machine on a variety of alternative > ports. > To be perfectly clear this isn't really receiving mail. Your configuring a system at dydns.org or some other mail forwarder to receive your mail for you then forward it on to your system using the alternative port. You can just as easily set up a mailbox on the dydns server (or whoever will sell you a mailbox - tons of ISPs will do it) and fetchmail your mail via POP3 from it. > Install ddclient on your machine; it will keep your IP updated at > dyndns. > > Install an mta, like sendmail, and smart-host it to your ISP; or > smart-host it to dyndns if your ISP can't/won't do it. > > I have been doing this for about 2 years now, and have had no problems > at all. > I'm sure you don't because in effect your doing exactly the same thing that any typical e-mail client does - your offloading the heavy lifting of receiving mail - the spam and antivirus filtering - to a real mailserver somewhere on the Internet. Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing. The OP just hasn't realized this yet. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 05:26:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD7816A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from icantthinkofone@charter.net) Received: from mtai05.charter.net (mtai05.charter.net [209.225.8.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CD113C448 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:26:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from icantthinkofone@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mtai05.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071127052648.LBPN12551.mtai05.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:26:48 -0500 Received: from robs-laptop.com ([71.85.241.27]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20071127052647.EIJX14098.aarprv06.charter.net@robs-laptop.com> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:26:47 -0500 Message-ID: <474BAA97.5060303@charter.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:26:47 -0600 From: icantthinkofone User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126005855.GA74363@aleph.cepheid.org> <000901c82fce$7558ee30$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126211929.GI29622@demeter.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20071126211929.GI29622@demeter.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:26:59 -0000 Oh, who the heck cares. The guy is dead and he's not going to hurt you so get a life people. If you ban Hitler then ban Stalin and Mussolini and let's go back another thousand years and dig up those graves, too. Move on! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 05:32:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F3B16A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:32:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA25613C458 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:32:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR5Wtqi093732; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:32:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "DAve" , Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:34:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <474AD878.10900@pixelhammer.com> Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: RE: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:32:58 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of DAve > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:30 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: who wrote this > > > > -- > I've been asking Google for a Veteran's Day logo since 2000, > maybe 1999. I was told they finally did a Veteran's Day logo, > but none of the links I was given return anything but a > normal Google logo. > Dave, when the Google webmaster does get around to updating the logo, the Veteran's Day logo will appear on this page with the rest of them: http://www.google.com/intl/en/holidaylogos.html And, I did in fact see a Veterans day logo used this year. If you must continue to beat this horse, you need to start asking them to update the above URL. > Sad, very sad. Maybe the Chinese Government didn't like it? > I don't see why - they got their logo in 2005. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 05:53:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D999B16A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8741913C46B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2304825pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:53:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YGGTByHkvT4zh6eu6TBA84clHb33/0fyLrIm1E5LkOs=; b=Qq/+Vy/b25JTfDIlu2XRqoqhMctoUz/ET03OY3YXvz+STavgCaKo9y/5LEs+4E5wKYvdQpc93uNevDQQhhfRG9CXOUv9Nu6IGZgbLBDRU8U57n/DVGKBpb0QcIJUe80snBXd8KJ7z9lfkP/5OgwIEaG4VhNDDONZh8tIjhbaJH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gykqVOs8RHzQEEMn4U3IwD2o9ezWb6AsTmQsZ1SCURVADjp2NgRv/BWo8JRGdDITZejtd05JhYzB7WKpvVvEzezbiRd9N0hhZE7uHd5SAPRxLeWDpJBAIu+j5NvTAgdfp9sSwYT/83iZaf947RdOlzSFdLRkYgFnk2kTmaoRwEY= Received: by 10.65.219.20 with SMTP id w20mr7859876qbq.1196142780296; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13sm1681930qbq.2007.11.26.21.52.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:52:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474BB0A7.9090506@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:52:39 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bob Richards Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:53:01 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no > benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be > using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing. The > OP just hasn't realized this yet. Actually I am processing mail for over a dozen people and almost 100 diff addrs so it does make sense if it is possible. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHS7CnJ9+1V27SttsRArGMAJ4xhax13Nd/ikb2CSQikEJVmrAzRwCeLxhT jz/Qhcjy8jmzwq/QP8g0i7g= =9928 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 06:01:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587BD16A46D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:01:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8607D13C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:01:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2309414pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:01:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NH0575FUqSDy3cvs/v2UP/IcmtzJ1AEcy0p9Wo3OTZ8=; b=iAI7Q+gn4un3SlzfATSF69KIeW880/6tDm3IC9sSxKEOl7m0PzbPkVaQ+qr+fm/k5uFCUp0a/lPiGomNyVix6zs8f7sTpL80ZIHaH3eXPqtScWRhGY1OQjudG/zR3ukpOgQfrgmH3CzgiqaAzRKlJQ9mVZwitfubRMgBFjJfuuE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=maFUWX+Jznr9YaNWYUF45405MiVKzQ/GrqPdEp5YihrmVJ2XnU42ulogNrtWjHic8cMebjlMSSDhLVao73hyKBg+6vkiP2J9H3AI4SlR7QPfN/1WaCaDXp5+XDXGpMa90aJrw+eEv9af9uAEyYaypVayk03fODazdM5bzG5jiww= Received: by 10.65.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr7848908qbi.1196143295675; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:01:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f14sm1696277qba.2007.11.26.22.01.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:01:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474BB2BC.4010906@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:01:32 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <474BB0A7.9090506@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474BB0A7.9090506@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bob Richards , Ted Mittelstaedt , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:01:37 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > > Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no > > benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be > > using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing. The > > OP just hasn't realized this yet. > > Actually I am processing mail for over a dozen people and almost 100 > diff addrs so it does make sense if it is possible. > > Oops forgot to mention there is a small set of complicating factors: 1. The people and addrs I process mail for all have the same domain but live in locations all around the globe (virtual company) 2. The domain should/must be the same as the company's web page (see my sig for addr) which is on a convention web hosting arrangement 3. As far I can all inbound/outbound smtp/http (25, 587, and 80) are blocked by the ISP (they offer them under a business package that also includes a static IP but currently that is too pricey) 4. The ISP is the only one in my area (semi-rural) that offers high speed bandwidth 5. Even though my web hoster offers mail forwarding it does not offer mail box and/or mailing list hosting (having prepaid for 2 years and only being 2 months into the deal I am not going to switch providers) - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHS7K8J9+1V27SttsRAoO0AKCaofoaJd+fg0qNXQDYaQ7lcBkeswCglitn W0VpYc+LO3eronkojgV9lwc= =UWBT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 06:13:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F98D16A420 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B4313C4EA for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:13:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR6CwkD093995; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:12:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Jerry McAllister" , "eBoundHost: Artur" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:14:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <20071126172611.GE71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:13:03 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Jerry > McAllister > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:26 AM > To: eBoundHost: Artur > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: who wrote this > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:58:08AM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > > > >On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:23:56PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > > > > > No Jerry, you misunderstood my point. I'm not talking about > which quotes > > go into which list. My complaint is about how that web page is > structured, > > and that its wording should be reworked. > > No, I didn't misunderstand it. You don't like the way they are > describing > which goes in to which list. The current wording is saying that it does > not specifically belong on the offensive list just because it come from > an offensive person. I, not too tongue-in-cheek suggested some other > examples who might be used in place of the 'hitler' name that could > categorize something coming from an offensive source but not necessarily > belong in the offensive list merely because of the source. > > Actually, I think the original page wording is a little skimpy about > the concept, but the example[s] given do very well at illustrating the > intended meaning. eg, by just saying that hitler quotes are examples > of entries that are not offensive, it leaves to ones ability to > misunderstand or misinterpret, the reasoning behind hitler quotes not > being offensive entries. One really has to look at the other category > to see that it does not fit in the, somewhat better described, offensive > list category to pick up the reasoning for it being in the non-offensive > list, eg, it ain't one of those so it must be one of these. > > So, I haven't yet thought of a good, adequately lean, but > clarifying phrase, > though if one comes to me I will submit it, but a clarifying phrase could > well be included and the hitler example remain with it because it > establishes > a very strong case-in-point example. > The phrase "Hitler quotes" is also important because it establishes that "Godwin's Law" applies here to the quote file. In short, if a particular fortune or quote is so objectionable to someone that they feel they must make a comparison to Hitler, then automatically they are wrong and the quote is considered by everyone else to NOT be objectionable. Godwin's Law works because Hitler is, essentially, the equivalent of the Christian Judas, of the modern world. The reality of it is that because Hitler and Nazism was so incredibly horrible, it is a societal absolute that we must never forget the Holocaust nor ever allow our descendents to forget it. Hitler made some incredible statements in his day - things that are so unbelievable that no sane person could imagine someone making them - and so repeating some of the most insane of those quotes is actually societies way of remembering the Holocaust. For example, a famous quote of Hitler's is: "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature." Hitler actually believed this, and when people see it and read it, the quote illustrates how much of an incredible monster that Hitler really was far better than reams of text. Thus, inclusion of it in the fortune database is a public service - because it reminds us once more when we read it of how warped and degenerate that governments can really become. Unfortunately, there are people like the original poster who, just as Godwin's law shows - are so blind and knee-jerking that they would close their eyes and refuse to read such a quote nor understand it's true meaning - simply because they knew that Hitler said it. It is because of this reason, that the reference to Hitler on that webpage was made. Fundamentally, you have to be educated to understand it. FreeBSD is first and formost, for the educated computer user. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 06:14:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5CA16A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:14:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A8213C4E9 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR6Eeim094005; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:14:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , "FreeBSD chat" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:16:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:14:41 -0000 Beastie's Law: Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically wrong. Anyone making such a demand automatically loses. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 06:19:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D32916A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:19:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1167013C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:19:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2318052pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:19:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iaS1rIz9N8U9TmaWqVjotCjLkgEzULuzmsJW4FCUffQ=; b=HeCQIs+II/9Qgv410OUPnP04RNnjqTL36pX3TE/MGKRTqL0leIsPLv1M5f7kEHtBy3k5cXPB6E/XeL6iCQJ5/96yGoTmk+WD3pE9brkC3vcTQohmAv7pcrmmzsDrQJNa5Ob9mQeY8RqGQTQbphpL2aswIR2tnzjNuXVc/DseWAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QFvFxkxrzw/RzXmgGzbyV6g+JNywuEnVKIb7c+v8lC8mfAQFzhTrLqyW0z9NC7j7Auj5Zi+srABXDuD3fA52KhxkwingvpcXIBtfiXFErLElE4Hamk7ZM9f3EqVP+fy9jjBikjLW/4WpOFQXVEVbCWJ2QytRarp4aFLwQzJ1P6s= Received: by 10.65.73.16 with SMTP id a16mr7890148qbl.1196144398157; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q19sm1729130qbq.2007.11.26.22.19.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:19:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474BB706.4090505@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:19:50 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:19:59 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Beastie's Law: > > Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website > using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically > wrong. Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. In some circles for example immigrants are "foreign born" and using the correct term is "wrong". - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHS7cGJ9+1V27SttsRAjF3AJ4qaNUny4XOZRF619DvXqjKhJVivACeIjh+ WZHSiKlrMYZ3EdGiLf65240= =+et8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 06:33:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF57916A468 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758A713C4D9 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR6X1qL094159; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:33:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:34:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: RE: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:33:03 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Albert Shih > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:50 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Help for very bad perf for MySQL > > > Hi all > > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. > I try again > and hope there more solution > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6 > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. > > The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks. > > Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for increase > the perf ? > Start with the obvious stuff first. How big is the database? How big is system ram? If you have less ram than you have database then mysql will have to go to the hard disk for the select which will kill it's performance. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 06:36:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8A016A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:36:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F13F13C4E5 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAR6Zx6g019070; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:35:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id OvCePIef3mUV; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:35:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAR6Zpg1019066; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:35:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <474BBAC2.2070904@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:35:46 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070418 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominic Marks References: <474AD605.7060300@goodforbusiness.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <474AD605.7060300@goodforbusiness.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:36:01 -0000 Dominic Marks wrote: > List, > > Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing > (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently? > I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain the > last time I looked at it. > > If you are using this for "real-work" and you are getting good results > please let me know what you are using (software and hardware ideally). > > The environment I would like to put this into is a family house, very small > setup with 2 PCs and 2 printers. Currently both are Windows PCs but > one is experiencing all of the classic issues with a multi-year Windows > installation and since they are used exclusively for E-Mail and word > processing I am interested in migrating one PC over to FreeBSD. > > .. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I would > also be interested. > ... I am not a subscriber so please keep me CC'ed in the discussion. My situation sounds somewhat similar to yours; wifey has a Winbox in the house, and I print through it to an HP 6100 Multifunction machine using apsfilter via SMB/samba. IIRC, apsfilter thinks the machine is an "HP920" and uses the HP-provided 'hpijs' driver and GNU ghostscript. I've had trouble with later versions of Abiword and this setup; possibly also some issues with Acrobat Reader, as well. I've not taken time to work on this for a while, as I usually print from web apps only --- printing is great from Mozilla et al. Kevin D. Kinsey -- Democracy is a form of government that substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few. -- George Bernard Shaw From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 06:39:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5006116A419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77E1713C45A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 647 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 06:39:24 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 27 Nov 2007 06:39:24 -0000 Message-ID: <474BBB96.6050306@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:39:18 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <474BB706.4090505@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474BB706.4090505@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ted Mittelstaedt , FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:39:27 -0000 Hi, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> Beastie's Law: >> >> Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website >> using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically >> wrong. > > Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. In some circles > for example immigrants are "foreign born" and using the correct term > is "wrong". both terms are offensive here. I am a foreign talent. This brings up a new question: what is with the local talent. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 06:48:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE65916A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FF813C442 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR6m3IA094273; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:48:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Jerahmy Pocott" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:49:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:48:04 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerahmy Pocott [mailto:quakenet1@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:48 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT > > > Perhaps, but I'v heard a lot of good things about IPF and IPNAT, > especially since the nat is all in kernel where as natd is userland, so > there is a slight performance boost possibly there as well.. > I will address this one point here since it's enough to make someone scream, it's such an old chestnut. natd is always criticized because going to userland is slow. So, people who have slowness problems think that is the issue. In reality, the problem is that the DEFAULT setup and man page examples for natd use the following ipfw divert rule: /sbin/ipfw -f flush /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via ed0 /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any This produces a rule such as the following: 00050 divert 8668 ip from any to any via de0 The problem though, is this is wrong. What it is doing is that ALL traffic that comes into and out of the box - no matter what the source and destination is - will be passed to the natd translator. What you SHOULD be using is a set of commands such: ipfw add divert natd ip from any to [outside IP address] in recv [outside interface] ipfw add divert natd ip from not [outside IP address] to any out recv [inside interface] xmit [outside interface] What these rules do is ONLY pass traffic to natd that needs natting - that is, traffic that is passing through the FreeBSD box onward to the Internet. Traffic that is broadcast, or traffic that is a destination of the nat box itself (such as if the nat box is also running a proxy server, mailserver, fileserver, etc.) or sourced from the nat box, is NOT passed to natd. There are some pretty fast Internet connections circuits out there these days - DSL and Cable can both offer up to 10Mbt of bandwidth. But, these are nothing compared to the bandwidth of a 100BaseT ethernet card, or the PCI bus of a computer. If someone is saturating their natd with filesharing traffic to the nat box, why then no wonder they are seeing things run slow. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 06:48:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8277C16A46B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:48:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from teklimbu@wlink.com.np) Received: from smtp5.wlink.com.np (smtp5.wlink.com.np [202.79.32.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0930D13C4F3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from teklimbu@wlink.com.np) Received: (qmail 5454 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 06:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.wlink.com.np) (202.79.32.49) by 0 with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 06:48:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 33240 invoked by uid 98); 27 Nov 2007 06:48:43 -0000 Received: from 202.79.36.7 by smtp2.wlink.com.np (envelope-from , uid 1010) with qmail-scanner-1.25 (clamdscan: 0.90.3/3492. Clear:RC:1(202.79.36.7):. 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Processed in 0.196872 secs) Received: from [202.79.36.7] (HELO [202.79.36.7]) by smtp2.wlink.com.np (qmail-smtpd) with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 06:48:17 -0000 (Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:33:17 +0545) Message-ID: <474BBD9A.30000@wlink.com.np> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:32:54 +0545 From: Tek Bahadur Limbu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grant Peel References: <4746A5A3.7040508@wlink.com.np> <47496AD7.9070508@unixservers.us> <474AE1B0.4080006@wlink.com.np> <01d101c8303e$c93c7fb0$6501a8c0@GRANT> In-Reply-To: <01d101c8303e$c93c7fb0$6501a8c0@GRANT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Check-By: smtp2.wlink.com.np Spam: No ; 0.2 / 8.0 X-Spam-Status-WL: No, hits=0.2 required=8.0 Cc: Ovi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:48:52 -0000 Hi Grant, Grant Peel wrote: > We, and many hundreds of other hosts use Webmin/Usermin/Virtualmin. > > It is free, > It is robust, > There are tons of third party mods to use, > Learning how to create your own mods is easy, > It is secure. > > www.webmin.com Thanks for your suggestions. I did not know that webmin could be used for a web hosting platform. I mean that I have only heard negative comments about it. And I thought that it was over bloated and was full of unwanted services thus making it very insecure. Now that you have mentioned it and corrected my thinking, I will definitely look into it and consider it. Thanking you... > > -Grant > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tek Bahadur Limbu > To: Ovi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: Open Source softwares in FreeBSD for web hosting platform > > > Hi Ovi, > > Ovi wrote: > > Tek Bahadur Limbu wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I know that this question has been asked on this list in the past. So > >> I am sorry for repeating it. > >> > >> However, I would like to know the current answers and views on this > >> question. > >> > >> Basically, I want to know which software you might be using as a Site > >> configuration and management application for web hosting services. > >> > >> It will be used primarily to control about 500-1000 virtual domains. > >> > >> I know that there are Cpanel and Plesk which are very good commercial > >> softwares catering the needs for a good web based management tool. > >> > >> So far, I have only tried out RAQdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/ > >> > >> It seems good but is quite limited in it's features. > >> > >> So I would like to know more open source softwares used for this type > >> of services. > >> > >> > >> Thanking you... > >> > >> > > We are using syscp and it works well. (you will need to modify it to > > suit your needs, the source code is clean and easy to modify). > > Any open source software you try, it is not 100% complete (as far as I > > know, from my experience with open source web panels), so you will have > > to modify the code. The bad thing with syscp is that dns server is not > > configurable from web interface (there is a patch, but it allows you to > > modify DNS only from admin account, which is not good, I think you will > > need regular users to be able to configure their own dns servers), so > > this is one thing you must add. I asume you need 3 types of accounts, > > admin account, reseller account and user account. > > http://www.syscp.org/ > > I have heard about syscp and will definitely try it once. But I am not > very familiar with coding. Apart of the DNS configurations, do we need > to hack the code? > > By the way, how many virtual domains are you currently managing with syscp? > > > Thanking you... > > > > > > best regards, > > ovi > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > With best regards and good wishes, > > Yours sincerely, > > Tek Bahadur Limbu > > System Administrator > > (TAG/TDG Group) > Jwl Systems Department > > Worldlink Communications Pvt. Ltd. > > Jawalakhel, Nepal > > http://www.wlink.com.np > > http://teklimbu.wordpress.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Total Control Panel Login > > To: gpeel@thenetnow.com > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Remove this sender from my allow list > > > You received this message because the sender is on your allow list. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 11/23/2007 7:39 PM -- With best regards and good wishes, Yours sincerely, Tek Bahadur Limbu System Administrator (TAG/TDG Group) Jwl Systems Department Worldlink Communications Pvt. Ltd. Jawalakhel, Nepal http://www.wlink.com.np http://teklimbu.wordpress.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 06:58:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B6E16A46C; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:58:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98D713C46B; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR6w4tS094363; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:58:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:59:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <474BB706.4090505@gmail.com> Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: RE: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:58:06 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Aryeh M. Friedman [mailto:aryeh.friedman@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:20 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; FreeBSD chat > Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > Beastie's Law: > > > > Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website > > using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically > > wrong. > > Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. It doesen't matter. What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also very subjective. However, Godwin's law works anyway. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:03:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115DD16A41B; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67F713C467; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR735UV094409; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:03:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Erich Dollansky" , "Aryeh M. Friedman" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:04:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <474BBB96.6050306@pacific.net.sg> Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: RE: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:03:08 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:oceanare@pacific.net.sg] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:39 PM > To: Aryeh M. Friedman > Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; FreeBSD chat > Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law > > > Hi, > > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> Beastie's Law: > >> > >> Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website > >> using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically > >> wrong. > > > > Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. In some circles > > for example immigrants are "foreign born" and using the correct term > > is "wrong". > > both terms are offensive here. > > I am a foreign talent. > Really? Cool! Which planet are you from? > This brings up a new question: what is with the local talent. > The Earthlings started going downhill about 60 years ago when they dreamed up this device called a TV Set. But there are signs that they figured out what they did and are abandoning them - we are seeing the IQ of the herd rising again and there is a direct correspondence to average TV watching hours. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:07:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6929516A46E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B0813C4F3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:07:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2341460pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:07:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Y/Og0+JZz1sckwmPkfdK+GMV3rF6gUkIjTPMD2gVKdI=; b=HK1I6TFEAmVW/ULsJmt9G12RTZoUUudhJzly1r34S7j/u8SuLByB7IGCNJ8ncM6500zdkshoeY/wLwThylc48NFJyO7kKd780k+VGDbOmwU9caeUt2G2TtN45emNYkMZ0MN9oUu6ScNNUcOj6+IeEw6P5EbSGNnOxo80d4Yzbi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=v0cZxnFeAxGIpvA7//aHEJevLmzGZUdlea43GJMzi3+ndgfZjc/8jHPZX++9t/o9VvPR6SWFOFYSlZnYfovUenb/kQQaYCivPuHiSYmgLXjla1fDzVO2kpmbvpmZgFPVTOSfUh3hE/HYbUW0N4YHVICzIpjkgMBfjMOwauO5VO0= Received: by 10.65.249.11 with SMTP id b11mr8017982qbs.1196147249874; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a29sm1756186qbd.2007.11.26.23.07.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:07:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:07:27 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD chat , Erich Dollansky , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:07:31 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > The Earthlings started going downhill about 60 years ago when they > dreamed up this device called a TV Set. But there are signs that > they figured out what they did and are abandoning them - we are > seeing the IQ of the herd rising again and > there is a direct correspondence to average TV watching hours. > Does this include YouTube? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHS8IvJ9+1V27SttsRAqaoAJ9GFlN4UQPW5Ala9WgwW2cr+46PLgCdE78t pxk2LMNMKjhqZ7fyN2uBzjQ= =SM+C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:10:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D1716A419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478B113C45D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2343092pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:10:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rty1XlfQ8vyogLOPk2pHsN52WXo940JvVrfZyIXllhg=; b=DKVxxXiPcqby6wxaahZrjHbVD+nReFe9smFO9WMsRwHAKXNRDlkDQ52LeWZH+BfjtXFQdZlZ3wIFSPjT0e/GzjFeQyOeK9Bm4mS+B8hBY0MRPUF/bmTaIsOkxY/h8ssXtsjZzfRW+J4JoUoKF3jwQHP30sj5HvqDgxCx2gLtF28= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cxM0pQhNlBd5Q+IavfRBw/59OGwVIIKKkkg3pKM/wztNQHXLebj/wpuQAgtVOrF0xcIZNo223kR0d0NRp0FjeUm7B98XOvNwyKd5QdKHYhe2Dq9hfoaDkl36oiO7fo4m72jtpm7xdyiZefw5kiMnJ2L0aLhTgPju4mGrgNHukOA= Received: by 10.65.240.17 with SMTP id s17mr1932744qbr.1196147431529; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e19sm1759159qba.2007.11.26.23.10.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:10:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474BC2E5.5010407@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:10:29 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: is cvsup10.us.freebsd.org broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:10:32 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If I am asking the wrong place please tell me. I just attempted a cvsup from that host and got no new files but changed to cvsup3.freebsd.org and got a flood of updates. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHS8LlJ9+1V27SttsRArCvAJsEk7NHvLDESNJ3Hrhzbtqas5rpGgCgmfBs SX+c9pKFI0JOtxZDPCpjZsA= =gIXr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:12:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7187116A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D6A13C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:12:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAR7C8nE079107; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:12:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2DE10B8F8; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:12:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:12:08 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20071127071208.GB41460@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20071127013546.GA22291@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E39vaYmALEf/7YXx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071127013546.GA22291@thought.org> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Am I back? Re: kernel fault trying to add atapicam... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:12:11 -0000 --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:35:46PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: >=20 > Folks (to the whole list, but esp'ly Messes Smith [NL & AU], >=20 > I'll believe that my ISDN link is working when/if I see this > echoed from the -questions list. I was busy rebuilding my 6.2 > GENERIC kernel after having added=20 >=20 > ^device atapicam > Lest I stray *too* far OT, I'll share the results of my 3rd=20 > kernel rebuild on this Dell. It crapped out; it hung after > printing out the sio0 line. I had to powercycle and went in by > typing "8" (??) and by hand booting /boot/kernel.old. I tried > twice more by removing part of the additions to GENERIC. Same; > the new kernel still hung. > Here are the sizes of the new kernel (with atapicam) and=20 > the old. >=20 > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 7206901 Nov 23 21:00 kernel > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4001279 Apr 9 2007 kernel >=20 > I realize that drivers can require a lot of space, but not > over 1.2 megs. Att any rate, the newer kernel hangs. >=20 > I will upgrade to the newest 6.2 and try to get the audio > toys functioning. But does anybody know where I fouled up? Can you post or mail your kernel config? I can sed you mine if that helps. > Could it be as simple as Not having done a make clean > before doing a make buildkernel?=20 It is recommended to clean out /usr/obj before starting a new build. > I don't burn // copy audio > discs that often and haven't ever copied a DVD; I just want these > new utilities to work. You could try burncd, which doesn't require the speudo-SCSI stuff. But I've heard a lot of grumbling about it on the list over the years. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHS8NIEnfvsMMhpyURAk41AJ9sOd7SpPHAzQm968VmAdrG4ObEHQCff1E2 VQnRwoIwwGE7UrwxAK+jN3Y= =WwyS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:31:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0310C16A419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:31:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 24EB513C45D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:31:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 14695 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 07:31:13 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 27 Nov 2007 07:31:13 -0000 Message-ID: <474BC7B9.1050505@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:31:05 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:31:17 -0000 Hi, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> both terms are offensive here. >> >> I am a foreign talent. >> > > Really? Cool! Which planet are you from? third rock from the sun. > >> This brings up a new question: what is with the local talent. >> > > The Earthlings started going downhill about 60 years ago when they and the remaining IQ was killed by hand phones. Man, market penetration is here above 110% Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:32:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDA016A41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:32:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 444D513C4E1 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 20151 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 07:32:39 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 27 Nov 2007 07:32:38 -0000 Message-ID: <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:32:24 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ted Mittelstaedt , FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:32:41 -0000 Hi, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > Does this include YouTube? > this is an incorrect question as Flash is not really supported by FreeBSD. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:33:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE7C16A421 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:33:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E45213C474 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:33:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR7XAew094634; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:33:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:34:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <474BB2BC.4010906@gmail.com> Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bob Richards Subject: RE: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:33:24 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Aryeh M. Friedman [mailto:aryeh.friedman@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:02 PM > To: Aryeh M. Friedman > Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; Bob Richards; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a > new port if send-pr is broken) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > > > > Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no > > > benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be > > > using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing. The > > > OP just hasn't realized this yet. > > > > Actually I am processing mail for over a dozen people and almost 100 > > diff addrs so it does make sense if it is possible. > > > > > > Oops forgot to mention there is a small set of complicating factors: > > 1. The people and addrs I process mail for all have the same domain > but live in locations all around the globe (virtual company) > > 2. The domain should/must be the same as the company's web page (see > my sig for addr) which is on a convention web hosting arrangement > > 3. As far I can all inbound/outbound smtp/http (25, 587, and 80) are > blocked by the ISP (they offer them under a business package that also > includes a static IP but currently that is too pricey) > You really need to clarify what you mean by inbound and outbound. I'll assume that by inbound, you mean you cannot have inbound connections to ports 25, 587, and 80. This is perfectly legitimate for a residential ISP connection. I'll assume that by outbound, you mean you cannot have outbound connections to ports 25, 587, and 80. This is silly. A block on an outbound connection to port 80 would mean you couldn't surf the web. I'll assume you mean that outbound port 25 is blocked to everywhere except for the ISP's own mailserver. That also is perfectly legitimate for a residential ISP connection. A block on an outbound port 587 connection has only ONE purpose, to prevent you from using a legitimate mailserver for sending mail other than the ISPs server. Servers on the Internet that respond to port 587 are only supposed to relay mail from AUTH connections to 587 so allowing ISP customers to use 587 is not a security or SPAM problem. 587 is not used for server-to-server mail traffic. If your ISP is indeed blocking outbound 587 then you have justifyable reasons to scream and bitch, and they do NOT have any justifyable reason to block it. None of the large cable or DLS providers block outbound 587 > 4. The ISP is the only one in my area (semi-rural) that offers high > speed bandwidth > > 5. Even though my web hoster offers mail forwarding it does not offer > mail box and/or mailing list hosting (having prepaid for 2 years and > only being 2 months into the deal I am not going to switch providers) There's plenty of ISP's on the Internet that offer mailboxes only. I can't fault your webhoster for not wanting to get into offering mailboxes. It is a speciality, just as webhosting is a speciality. What you really should have done, (of course hindsight is a great revealer) is to have contracted with an ISP where you could have colocated a server. For probably $100 a month you could have your own box with a public IP address and run a mailserver on it, hosted your website on it, and you could have modified it so that instead of port 587, you did auth-smtp on port 588 and then gotten around your ISP's block on outbound 587 (if infact, such exists) You really only have 2 non-business connection choices as I see it. First, contract with some ISP that will sell you a mailbox that will take domain mail. Next build a mailserver at your site that uses fetchmail to pop down that mail and port 587 to send it out. Last, on your site mailserver, setup a pop3 or imap server that uses a non-standard port#, then config your road warrior clients to use that port, or setup a webmail interface and use a URL like webmail.flosoft-systems.com:86/webmaillogin.cgi to access it. This assumes outbound port 110 and 587 are NOT blocked. If outbound port 587 and 110 ARE blocked, then you cannot do anything other than the colocated box that has all non-standard ports, OR say hell with it and work out a deal with an ISP to do virtual mailboxes and mailhosting. If you want to do that last, I'd be happy to pitch pricing to you for my employer off list. (as no doubt, many other list readers could) Really, as others have said, it's easier to pay the money for the business line. How much extra do they want for it? Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:39:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B585B16A419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A10913C442 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2358896pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:39:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EeiDTxSzc5NzCWKvG6ITEqE96TXNTil4AFhjcdlpSkw=; b=PG0vKkkHVqHs58LeGcUYkfCFvQLIRO1SFrFAOA+Wk+q2TR5G8yh6efyU1Fz2EsxdTrdmjU9qoQn3g0RQaFNp7Oc0sID3sHQ9rk4QevxEO6CUUUgKIc9jb3M0im6G2PTrxWDIwVJrfVnZZrIY2/DTBPVmtL+02Mp0W3dHtygYdlU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Qg73ZuhHmUd8rhBfwycVYZf/3qZkLbfwZJfjNeRN12gtQAKq8AkNTaavPS0zeNoGBstI2dJJZgRORwDy9wUJ8VXQRfQKbCkC0ebVjQaitD3q4RdmybZ+SkJbce6Wu+gxilbZ+SVPt3EzsC3H6505m/2go1aYFNpuX6WzVdM53f8= Received: by 10.65.150.18 with SMTP id c18mr8062996qbo.1196149192224; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e19sm1778969qba.2007.11.26.23.39.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:39:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474BC9C6.8030204@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:39:50 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bob Richards Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:39:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > Really, as others have said, it's easier to pay the money for the > business line. How much extra do they want for it? Don't know but a dime is too much right now (I am personally living on $15/mo once the rent, food and connectivity is paid for [the wonders of a startup with no investors]). That is one reason why colo is not possible... yes I understand most of the hassles involved since I was the head sysadmin for a full service ISP in a former life (mid to late 90's). - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHS8nGJ9+1V27SttsRArd6AKCRhAduE7P7roZB4x+WohcR1NCUQQCfX6zu i1rqakoG9WshIdsHHYQQdt4= =lWnQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:54:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C617E16A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712BC13C46B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2366212pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:54:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=fn5eAxvCHqBhLwbHXD9+N6aDX6rqTe2NsVofLeVvmsw=; b=Z9MlTJu97VmCSullDtwa1rF3EFV8Sm/+YI4HrlCgZ9q0cPY7O1nyQYXG9+8wh7NTii6Xlm76nl68O8wuAVvxjDUPHy/ijPJLvymbYsYoBhG98H9HJyzi3FRpEuPPFNV9mt9j5BzMvai0nSjCywk7jrMT7w1fup4QO9vLDRJXjto= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QcBDeU2QiiutIBHPwi1TfIXnzGClfxuYHUxa8WDs9FxulVQGIi68SDSV1y+cSYBQsfhQ3A8XlfgMxVdHPNGQ2lxr7foi/j73lwzWkvB1+uTiLUtDR+dozOWVXsO6onSx7UuUeLl6MvNXEakr3T7+ycquMG3TKv6pAdEvZT/QKI8= Received: by 10.35.69.11 with SMTP id w11mr4375359pyk.1196150084094; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.4? ( [74.134.230.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z52sm1827712pyg.2007.11.26.23.54.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:54:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joshua Isom Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:54:56 -0600 To: Erich Dollansky X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Cc: freebsd-questions Questions , FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:54:45 -0000 On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> Does this include YouTube? > this is an incorrect question as Flash is not really supported by > FreeBSD. > > Erich Nonsense, it's "FreeBSD is not really supported by Flash." Those damned Gnu people don't wish to advocate true open source support but only to get their favorite hodgepodge supported by those who have access to the code. Reminds me of fascists a bit. "Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well." Flame war anyone? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:58:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6636E16A420 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1671C13C46A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:58:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2367974pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:58:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B2qHeNK1kK3+xWmaV3PYuleaVZnsEt17B5+IYjZb3ik=; b=vhsUEe+qY+YieDtlUoX+ezqpp9R/WopqNLjdy+80ezY08HPpPHZKHJa4vetpoVBrwZI9FfFoSRE8eXgLRSYO13BQYNVAF8tAjE3ExBauKeks4P4b5w2o07yslUZLE0pp/ZHzQ4xapJGG4DDgqTAnkLnCScby5cyAPDTEkHinfiM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FPVE8hY3ZRd6Q0n6EuIF22ytOGMddmCWD0w/mHiG2L3Bx92qj1JlqUsce1JylfLlFrQjkQsEvZUZEqy9c9r8ChEkFMwvDjt7uQk2omQFhOApprR8C+6OIzs5YC7Unv+E0XKx5qUB76a0FwX9j04Jb85EmvQtVHBS6iqCq+TI/uA= Received: by 10.65.81.10 with SMTP id i10mr8024688qbl.1196150291235; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? 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Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joshua Isom References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD chat , Erich Dollansky , freebsd-questions Questions Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:58:12 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > Nonsense, it's "FreeBSD is not really supported by Flash." Those > damned Gnu people don't wish to advocate true open source support > but only to get their favorite hodgepodge supported by those who > have access to the code. Reminds me of fascists a bit. Comrad Stallman == Comrad Stalin ? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHS84RJ9+1V27SttsRAvaAAKCkfmwkBrVF8LiAYaKeHxAK4YipdgCeOyjK OmyDvgIy1in5AuO4rizOw2s= =4n0w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:15:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F68E16A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:15:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per-olof.nilsson@comhem.se) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4853913C447 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:15:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per-olof.nilsson@comhem.se) Received: from c83-249-34-166.bredband.comhem.se ([83.249.34.166]:54601) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Iwvbh-0003HJ-94 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:15:52 +0100 From: Peo Nilsson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20071126212621.GJ29622@demeter.hydra> References: <001301c82fe1$4e4263e0$6701a8c0@mobility> <200711261802.53776.kneel.pardoe@virgin.net> <31722434@ipt.ru> <20071126212621.GJ29622@demeter.hydra> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-rUczkLp44EBO6AcRhYpq" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:13:39 +0100 Message-Id: <1196151219.92138.15.camel@zeus.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Originating-IP: 83.249.34.166 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1Iwvbh-0003HJ-94. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1Iwvbh-0003HJ-94 a44599323fc8007bc9ff47d5950c4a46 Subject: Re: [OT] who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:15:53 -0000 --=-rUczkLp44EBO6AcRhYpq Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 14:26 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:49:17PM +0300, Boris Samorodov wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:53 +0000 neal wrote: > >=20 > > > You want the name 'Hitler' erased from existence. > >=20 > > Let the name exist. > > Else where but the official FreeBSD site. > > Let this OS be out of politics. What is *not* politics... As FreeBSD should be used in different "cultures" around the globe, these discussions, if started, will never end. What one should ask is: *WHY* does someone try to start those discussions... Ps. *who* has the right to *erase* history. Even though it's those who did survive a "war" that write it, it is a *great source* to learn about the most scared living species on earth, the human. If I where a believer, I would say that the one that would earn most on erasing history is the devil himself. Ds. ...btw, thx for a great OS and a great comunity etc. =20 - EvErY day is a rare gift - / Peo ---------------------------------------------- - PGP signed/encrypted emails is prefered -=20 ---------------------------------------------- =20 [novice about this? ~> visit: www.gnupg.org] --=-rUczkLp44EBO6AcRhYpq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHS9GugWSfflYlIbwRAjL4AKDobnzgFjEK/h8Xj6o2Xk413CUXzQCgk/2m cyqohtO2NaoNkOaMnklSifE= =2xQi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-rUczkLp44EBO6AcRhYpq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:18:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E733716A421 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97F213C45A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR8IGCg094981; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:18:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:19:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <474BC9C6.8030204@gmail.com> Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bob Richards Subject: RE: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:18:32 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Aryeh M. > Friedman > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:40 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Bob Richards > Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a > new port if send-pr is broken) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Really, as others have said, it's easier to pay the money for the > > business line. How much extra do they want for it? > > Don't know but a dime is too much right now (I am personally living on > $15/mo once the rent, food and connectivity is paid for [the wonders > of a startup with no investors]). That is one reason why colo is not > possible... yes I understand most of the hassles involved since I was > the head sysadmin for a full service ISP in a former life (mid to late > 90's). > Well, I think your stuck paying money for a service, but there are some cheap ones out there. This guy is pretty cheap: http://www.domainmx.net/ This one is free - if you can deal with UUCP and the LD charges to access with it: http://www.bungi.com Is there any way you could get your webhoster to be a bit more flexible on their e-mail forwarding? If for example you could get them to forward your e-mail to a script run out of your .forward file on their webserver, you got it made. They might do that since it wouldn't require them to devote disk space to a mailbox on their server. You would write a perl script that would make a connection to a nonstandard port on your mailserver. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:25:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE6916A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:25:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DF313C459 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:25:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2383091pyb for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:25:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=NnWtQWVCycVPIwyVS6hh/6N5VKqsIk3TGpDC8HKKbqk=; b=NR4aiw7Z5N2BbYG+3ovMEfzhxc6ZuHoW8eB5B9aPcbqGRSjExgs0s6PMEAmcMfcXE4hqLAJnrM5S0WXiIx/TwWDyBxLc/w7UXbmV05eIKc601IncaRk95+F3qjthiLoV/ghhyxVa5nnT7TOAa5bwNbsYLEMcwLJd11frWwRb2fY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=t4hCYFZPv9QR1eiT+Gl+k1Lnl0kIDOHQMriHMJJVqsuq9tS7p8+n1GAsrBnUbgYpdoY9LZfvtGzfR0re8fj+sdRlYPnefQJj0TFygbtqquQg2vwO09hPNLjeXXpPnU7uuNTCFrV1u1dv3rqu8nB5J50UD+QIME3u1H/gr4YKmp4= Received: by 10.65.121.9 with SMTP id y9mr8082690qbm.1196151952877; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.5 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:25:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:25:52 -0500 From: "Aryeh Friedman" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:25:58 -0000 Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR for: make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel seg faulting From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:34:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA8916A419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:34:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from WD@US-Webmasters.com) Received: from server1.grabweb.com (split.grabweb.net [67.15.22.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A031413C455 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:34:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from WD@US-Webmasters.com) Received: (qmail 8657 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 02:07:52 -0600 Received: from batv-01-192.dsl.netins.net (HELO Sabrina.US-Webmasters.com) (207.199.193.192) by uswdns.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 02:07:52 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:07:35 -0600 To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org From: "W. D." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20071127083441.A031413C455@mx1.freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: Best FreeBSD Firewall for 6.X? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:34:42 -0000 Hi folks, Just built a 6.2 box. Wondering what is the best software firewall. Yes, I know that this is a loaded, and subjective issue. I just couldn't find a definitive answer: Start Here to Find It Fast!=99 ->= http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $8.77 Domain Names -> http://domains.us-webmasters.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:35:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EEE16A46D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF12913C465 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:35:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Iwvuy-0005rz-BD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:35:44 +0000 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with SMTP id lAR8Zh36016250 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:35:44 GMT Received: (qmail 19569 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Nov 2007 08:35:38 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:35:38 +0000 To: Aryeh Friedman Message-ID: <20071127083538.GA19545@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:35:44 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:35:50 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 03:25:52AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR for: > > make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel > seg faulting No. Where in the handbook or UPDATING does it tell you to build your system like that? -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:43:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F1616A41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:43:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDED13C4F9 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:43:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2393559pyb for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:43:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dlim4zA1of4e9KD48lg37h30ZBfBFKWudwKMlvW7zk4=; b=i/dHTCjzCkSsEMpJpTtIwq5I2YFgn5n/Eq768flgsV5wKuj/xdqj0JFruOKNG4xDMfE0ezxPwXBvd5lFaNuU1Aj8D2mnPsxLmtOE6DqXi0Uonmy+gBmTDNASy63ntdwydQef17AkT3aFn0EWiOwJBQSaUyKUke0lgY3wVPFvvmI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rUoXAGEn0g5Wgu00558xpgZocUx9NHFnoOG5xPWwqy5m/s7qGkLNK92idDi6wOFX6XCSenscxyRUigQ4Adv5Z/WTJCo/B3uQoKlXYrlKwO3MJPB4vbW9fW7VWLv6t2l2KfoMqZja/P3wHng6SUpY0o5yGEE56l7OhHM4q/2gFGk= Received: by 10.64.201.7 with SMTP id y7mr8124093qbf.1196153000545; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.5 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:43:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:43:20 -0500 From: "Aryeh Friedman" To: sunnzy+gnu@gmail.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> Cc: FreeBSD chat , Erich Dollansky , Ted Mittelstaedt , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:43:29 -0000 > > A typical "TV set service" is not really supported by FreeBSD > neither... or FreeBSD is not supported by "TV set service", or > something!! Talk about being a little literal I don't own a TV and watch everything I care about thanks to the networks sites, bit torrent and miro (hopefully will be officially added after the ports freeze is over) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:44:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B2A16A4C1 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C9B713C4E5 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:44:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 8737 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 08:44:22 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 27 Nov 2007 08:44:22 -0000 Message-ID: <474BD8DE.90600@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:44:14 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joshua Isom References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Questions , FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:44:26 -0000 Hi, Joshua Isom wrote: > > On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > "Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well." no, he was a bad one. He finally lost > > Flame war anyone? Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign. The mother of all flame wars. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:48:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D72C16A473 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:48:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E8213C478 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAR8mOD7095230; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:48:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "W. D." , Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:49:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <20071127083441.A031413C455@mx1.freebsd.org> Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: RE: Best FreeBSD Firewall for 6.X? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:48:26 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of W. D. > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:08 AM > To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Best FreeBSD Firewall for 6.X? > > > Hi folks, > > Just built a 6.2 box. > > Wondering what is the best software firewall. > Yes, I know that this is a loaded, and > subjective issue. > So, quit trolling and don't ask. > I just couldn't find a definitive answer That is because there isn't one and you knew that already, or you wouldn't have stated it was a subjective question. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:55:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16B516A418; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB15913C4EA; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474BDB92.7090708@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:55:46 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> <474A9DCD.6020500@FreeBSD.org> <3aaaa3a0711260734tb0a46a3kac3b423bfd89582b@mail.gmail.com> <474B4610.5020702@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <474B4610.5020702@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Chris , Tore Lund , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:55:38 -0000 Kris Kennaway wrote: > Chris wrote: >> On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: >>> Tore Lund wrote: >>>> Ivan Voras wrote: >>>>> Dave wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their >>>>>> any >>>>>> outstanding issues? >>>>> Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you >>>>> might as >>>>> well start using it now. >>>>> >>>>> It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should >>>>> throughly >>>>> test it for your own workload before using it in production. >>>> Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions? >>>> I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to >>>> me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming >>>> release. >>> freebsd-stable is probably best. >>> >>>> In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install >>>> any >>>> packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 >>>> when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command >>>> line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from >>>> 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. >>> That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release >>> cycle. >>> >>>> Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have >>>> read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of >>>> 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of >>>> commands >>>> than use the old, rickety sysinstall. >>> One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to >>> replace sysinstall. >>> >>> Kris >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page >> faults) are? >> I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a >> page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet >> both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3 >> I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop >> use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended. Is >> FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path? > > Of course not :P What are the PR references? > >> Try this. >> >> Login to twice on ssh. >> If not root su both to root. >> using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. >> on the first tty type 'killall watch' >> you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer >> is counting down. > > I can confirm this. Try this patch from kib@ diff --git a/sys/dev/snp/snp.c b/sys/dev/snp/snp.c index a84e90c..b8f3d63 100644 --- a/sys/dev/snp/snp.c +++ b/sys/dev/snp/snp.c @@ -491,7 +491,7 @@ snpioctl(struct cdev *dev, u_long cmd, caddr_t data, int flags, struct thread *td) { struct snoop *snp; - struct tty *tp, *tpo; + struct tty *tp; struct cdev *tdev; struct file *fp; int s; @@ -502,6 +502,9 @@ snpioctl(struct cdev *dev, u_long cmd, caddr_t data, int flags, s = *(int *)data; if (s < 0) return (snp_down(snp)); + if (snp->snp_tty != NULL) + return (EBUSY); + if (fget(td, s, &fp) != 0) return (EINVAL); if (fp->f_type != DTYPE_VNODE || @@ -520,13 +523,6 @@ snpioctl(struct cdev *dev, u_long cmd, caddr_t data, int flags, return (EBUSY); s = spltty(); - - if (snp->snp_target == NULL) { - tpo = snp->snp_tty; - if (tpo) - tpo->t_state &= ~TS_SNOOP; - } - tp->t_state |= TS_SNOOP; snp->snp_olddisc = tp->t_line; tp->t_line = snooplinedisc; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 09:02:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F98816A420 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:02:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA9D13C442 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2405095pyb for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:02:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=6nthNk+dyC4JJP9COS2g65V+YTyyEMOKzdqqDjUrfxQ=; b=FlCVlU54W5Mm9xEGJRT8x7aF0OIABhKesJh1fRGk3e1YebqP+qKNXO1j76SZBXnJOuMb5qipIX/9r1rxrgBt++6SiVknKk/kniHqP5rXRpFdNyHgBGVId8HyglHz801UO1seZkjTjmIVY7WV/Px87p2YRBX1j7hnk1wApAm5MZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rq6QjpBJWsn4/qoerdzETasmlN0zD2yJP1LxdCOYM7R4ejmNFN5ppMkF/1WvgHIF60k+NOwObov045ywZBaqPi39wAE0Mj0wE7gAHg+/BKyK3FQhH5HZoeEjDk9YxxODuHe4BbvD9EbgUDDMV3h8V4pN91ZUrtUIVCBs9HvgPZw= Received: by 10.35.106.15 with SMTP id i15mr4473307pym.1196154121820; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.4? ( [74.134.230.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x48sm1108358pyg.2007.11.27.01.01.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:01:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <474BD8DE.90600@pacific.net.sg> References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> <474BD8DE.90600@pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joshua Isom Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:02:12 -0600 To: Erich Dollansky X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Cc: freebsd-questions Questions , FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:02:03 -0000 On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Joshua Isom wrote: >> On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> "Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well." > > no, he was a bad one. He finally lost But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the eradication of the Jews. There were numerous things he could have done to have Germany win the war(namely stepping down after it's start), but it was the fascism that lost the war. He discarded his country for his fascism. >> Flame war anyone? > > Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign. > > The mother of all flame wars. Classic retreat strategy. Make the earth worthless. Kind of doesn't work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown. > Erich > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 09:04:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F421116A421 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C417913C457 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1280432waf for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:04:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hDN8qW3fiW7t1jIrcrWauTR3xYX92U4lkZoaQ0QHr4o=; b=Df1EbyCfoO8XqkB2NNpvKj6rmcIvTVYnKK6l6hP/qg3kXz0Ive0L7Y8kBYOJT9cQZgHnparWldQzWRDJzJF7NfGspwa9VdpD0XbQfCaMPVcQyZNxeyOK1IclUQxFGcXdDkKJj1OYq784j2dvY6ph2+tfAzbF88Nesz3kweaqZcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SJw3BTSvqu/ZeXqi5oNRzbHTqy6NNZl6lyMTPdEMRCGJ1U8ZtnDynbuivREqxumbMYjB6Cs9+9ETdYABHZE4zOkNfH/eRgAoZTnqI7IE4nGnxN4ZkoVJPSyOEZJiXcVMLAjwrhPsptGz83DvW3GzMmixjFO9YzlrkGpbFPXdGrk= Received: by 10.115.76.1 with SMTP id d1mr1387065wal.1196152730690; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.79.20 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:38:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:38:50 +1100 From: Sunnz To: "Erich Dollansky" In-Reply-To: <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> Cc: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ted Mittelstaedt , FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: sunnzy+gnu@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:04:33 -0000 2007/11/27, Erich Dollansky : > Hi, > > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > > > Does this include YouTube? > > > this is an incorrect question as Flash is not really supported by FreeBSD. > A typical "TV set service" is not really supported by FreeBSD neither... or FreeBSD is not supported by "TV set service", or something!! -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 09:07:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22ACB16A468 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B178B13C459 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2408879pyb for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:07:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=zj2Unnt8IhKi2NGj3qsc6eFyRhwC6SBTWdXTCDNmtVE=; b=JZuWWiwrrVNnzXM/+tT9hvG2frZudlJVkn6k2BDuR4T7yc2RjPyBnaDik6k9GejplhSpc5M/xVNGtTVgEHSmwGRmQVc/HarO+iFl+pmOHGj4whTmYxYo7ylQnQ9L0u6phIIhA+78xJgd/A4gEmCKeo4wPCjdG04hYc+h8RKqvbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=PykTwI9cloELo+poVg8/Z/c6fR4drsY0CTHM+F85kyjnsegEBZ1HhOm6MOzWEbO+1U/AuFgIXwof+2DkojxUc8j6aSupE2QOWOaKlGoLae4u/iJkVCN69llLiPndBEtrukMX2ENC6EVt1ZPt5i/TGkviVpu/EaLcM2KmNQ22NfY= Received: by 10.65.43.5 with SMTP id v5mr8156117qbj.1196154470777; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.5 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:07:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:07:50 -0500 From: "Aryeh Friedman" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: urgent: undoing a cvsup update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:07:52 -0000 I just cvsuped the latest sources and they break many programs named and most X11-apps comes to mind immediately Well how do I backout of the this.... keep in miond I use cvs-supfile to populate a local repo and did a rm -rf /usr/obj /usr/src thinking that might clear stuff up but it didn't As far I can tell I can track the main issue to the new malloc stuff All programs that are borken just hang immediatlely after invocation From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 09:15:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392C016A4DC for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:15:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5425E13C458; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:15:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474BE029.4040409@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:15:21 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Shute References: <20071127083538.GA19545@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20071127083538.GA19545@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Aryeh Friedman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:15:12 -0000 Frank Shute wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 03:25:52AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR for: >> >> make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel >> seg faulting > > No. Where in the handbook or UPDATING does it tell you to build your > system like that? It should not seg fault though. However, when I have done this in the past it has not seg faulted, either. The OP needs to obtain backtraces with his PR submission since it may not be reliably reproduceable. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 09:21:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E3C16A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per-olof.nilsson@comhem.se) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299A113C448 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per-olof.nilsson@comhem.se) Received: from c83-249-34-166.bredband.comhem.se ([83.249.34.166]:53472) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwwdC-0002qd-7a for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:21:28 +0100 From: Peo Nilsson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20071127083441.A031413C455@mx1.freebsd.org> References: <20071127083441.A031413C455@mx1.freebsd.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+7bUIDX7LNF8SzLNNYiN" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:19:17 +0100 Message-Id: <1196155157.92138.23.camel@zeus.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Originating-IP: 83.249.34.166 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1IwwdC-0002qd-7a. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1IwwdC-0002qd-7a 6d5bc6f1e4eb0af3fb0e7275e73c7479 Subject: Re: Best FreeBSD Firewall for 6.X? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:21:31 -0000 --=-+7bUIDX7LNF8SzLNNYiN Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 02:07 -0600, W. D. wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > Just built a 6.2 box. >=20 > Wondering what is the best software firewall. > Yes, I know that this is a loaded, and > subjective issue. >=20 > I just couldn't find a definitive answer: There is no such "thing" best. It's a matter of you defining your own needs, then pick a piece of software that match your needs. --=20 /Peo ---------------------------------------------- - PGP signed/encrypted emails is prefered -=20 ---------------------------------------------- =20 [novice about this? ~> visit: www.gnupg.org] --=-+7bUIDX7LNF8SzLNNYiN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHS+EQgWSfflYlIbwRAqWjAJ48y9VK6OCopBRiiSxh0n3XStCK3gCbBqWg ezqWpXzIZphcO0WTYKts3IM= =FFKR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+7bUIDX7LNF8SzLNNYiN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 09:51:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE4F16A468 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:51:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cederstrand.dk) Received: from mail.itu.dk (pluto.itu.dk [130.226.142.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B0113C457 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:51:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cederstrand.dk) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.itu.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE50A32CF8C; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:51:57 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at itu.dk Received: from superman.itu.dk ([130.226.142.5]) by localhost (daredevil.itu.dk [130.226.142.26]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yGmiKnV-67aF; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:51:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from wimac.littlebit.dk (unknown [85.233.238.191]) by superman.itu.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99D19E6C8; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:51:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474BE8AE.1040105@cederstrand.dk> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:51:42 +0100 From: Erik Cederstrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aryeh Friedman References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: urgent: undoing a cvsup update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:51:59 -0000 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I just cvsuped the latest sources and they break many programs named > and most X11-apps comes to mind immediately > > Well how do I backout of the this.... keep in miond I use cvs-supfile > to populate a local repo and did a rm -rf /usr/obj /usr/src thinking > that might clear stuff up but it didn't > > As far I can tell I can track the main issue to the new malloc stuff > > All programs that are borken just hang immediatlely after invocation Please, Aryeh. You've been using freebsd for 10 years and asking a flood of questions here. You should know by now to at least provide the basic info: uname -a error messages cvsup file the commands you entered to wind up in this unfortunate situation Since you of course have proper backups, just pop in a CD and do a rescue install. Asking questions like the above will get you nowhere. 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( [203.92.154.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n9sm4499889wag.2007.11.27.01.33.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:33:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474BE464.3010208@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33:24 +0800 From: "williamkow@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:02:44 -0000 I am newbie of FreeBSD and I have been trying to learn other O/S and I have chosen OpenSUSE and using it for quite some time, would like to try others, example FreeBSD, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. Before anythings, I do some reading and found out that the read-only support for NTFS partition, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems (at the "Technical Information" section) However, the NTFS partition is still important for me with read/write access by any new O/S, due to my main storage of my data files are in NTFS partition (external harddisk) that will then be connected to other computer (Microsoft Windows). Could you please advise me whether the ntfs-3g command can be (ported) used in BSDs for read-write access to NTFS. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 10:13:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBA816A469 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54DC813C4FA for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 25127 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 10:13:30 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 27 Nov 2007 10:13:30 -0000 Message-ID: <474BEDC1.5060204@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:13:21 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joshua Isom References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> <474BD8DE.90600@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Questions , FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:13:34 -0000 Hi, Joshua Isom wrote: > > On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >> Joshua Isom wrote: >>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> >>> "Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well." >> >> no, he was a bad one. He finally lost > > But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the he only lost because of the Germans sabotaging him. He was the last man standing saving the last bullet for himself. > it was the fascism that lost the war. He discarded his country for his > fascism. He gave his life for the country. > >>> Flame war anyone? >> >> Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign. >> >> The mother of all flame wars. > > Classic retreat strategy. Make the earth worthless. Kind of doesn't > work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown. Classic? How wasted his own resources like this before? Erich PS: I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand the irony in here > >> Erich >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 10:40:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A27316A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:40:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per-olof.nilsson@comhem.se) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A4713C448 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per-olof.nilsson@comhem.se) Received: from c83-249-34-166.bredband.comhem.se ([83.249.34.166]:65221) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Iwxs6-0001OM-6J for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:40:55 +0100 From: Peo Nilsson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <474BEDC1.5060204@pacific.net.sg> References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> <474BD8DE.90600@pacific.net.sg> <474BEDC1.5060204@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-RwZl2wmCKDEzIq7xm4JU" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:38:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1196159936.816.7.camel@zeus.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Originating-IP: 83.249.34.166 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1Iwxs6-0001OM-6J. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1Iwxs6-0001OM-6J acf8781ac32d2d2621a12e5789a7969a Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:40:56 -0000 --=-RwZl2wmCKDEzIq7xm4JU Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > it was the fascism that lost the war. He discarded his country for his= =20 > > fascism. *No* humans *win* any kind of "war". They *all* loose... ...will they ever learn?. Well, by "erasing" the history, no matter who "tried" to write it, the chance decrease... - EvErY day is a rare gift - Have a gr8 day every one, it's unique...:-) --=20 /Peo ---------------------------------------------- - PGP signed/encrypted emails is prefered -=20 ---------------------------------------------- =20 [novice about this? ~> visit: www.gnupg.org] --=-RwZl2wmCKDEzIq7xm4JU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHS/O6gWSfflYlIbwRAhPtAKDSYqYO2atcftg4Imze6vtZw8TWIACaAoNe tdKF0aZlcWA9wN+t2KX1fQ8= =HEg7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-RwZl2wmCKDEzIq7xm4JU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 10:49:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4A916A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:49:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sat@cenkes.org) Received: from heka.cenkes.org (heka.cenkes.org [208.79.80.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54DF13C478 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:49:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sat@cenkes.org) Received: from amilo.cenkes.org (ppp85-141-133-22.pppoe.mtu-net.ru [85.141.133.22]) (Authenticated sender: sat) by heka.cenkes.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39263242F831; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:49:40 +0300 (MSK) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:49:38 +0300 From: Andrew Pantyukhin To: Tony Kivits Message-ID: <20071127104937.GA1514@amilo.cenkes.org> References: <200711270406.lAR46pF7045285@mail.techvalley.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200711270406.lAR46pF7045285@mail.techvalley.ca> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: eyeOS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:49:41 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 08:04:48PM -0800, Tony Kivits wrote: > I have just installed eyeOS from the ports but have noticed > that the port is a little out of date. > > Has anyone had any success in updating to eyeOS 1.2 and if so, > what did you have to do to make it work? The developers have changed the format of the distribution in a radical way. I took a look but didn't have time to handle the update. It's on my extended todo list, which doesn't promise much. Next time, please address your inquiries to the port maintainer and cc ports@, not questions@. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 10:50:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175C916A474 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E118213C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so863242rvb for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.26.6 with SMTP id d6mr1771758rvj.1196160639364; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [67.189.206.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31sm2166052wri.2007.11.27.02.50.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:50:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:50:56 -0500 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: Seibercom.net In-Reply-To: <2854bfb4a1bd36877e398b36f610daf5@prodigy.net> References: <20071126055614.5FD1.GERARD@seibercom.net> <2854bfb4a1bd36877e398b36f610daf5@prodigy.net> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20071127055051.726E.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.42 [en] Subject: Re: short Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:50:40 -0000 > On November 26, 2007 at 07:53PM jekillen wrote: > > Did you install this from ports? If so. the script would have been > > placed > > there all ready. > Yes, that is what provoked the original question. I had built and > installed > from source tarball in the past. But one machine was always a problem. > Once I did install from ports I was lacking info. The startup script > was not > in /etc/rc.d (although I have subsequently got into on > /usr/local/etc/rc.d) That is where it belongs! > I had followed instructions from MySQL documentation and put the script > they supplied in /etc/rc.d; mysql.server, but for some reason the script > did not actually start MyQSL. But the systems seems to look for some > thing with mysql in the name and runs it if it is in /etc/rc.d. That is > how > I figured out what to do. (or maybe the system will try to run anything > that is in /etc/rc.d if there is a corresponding enable line in rc.conf > it > understands). The academic question is, is the program that runs the > startup routine, itself a script or is it a binary? > Thanks If you are referring to the script in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d', it is just a plain script. You can edit it. Is there a specific reason you installed from a tarball rather than use the ports system? I have always installed MySQL from ports without any problems. -- Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 10:55:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFB716A421 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sat@cenkes.org) Received: from heka.cenkes.org (heka.cenkes.org [208.79.80.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8537A13C461 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sat@cenkes.org) Received: from amilo.cenkes.org (ppp85-141-133-22.pppoe.mtu-net.ru [85.141.133.22]) (Authenticated sender: sat) by heka.cenkes.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D45242F831; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:55:37 +0300 (MSK) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:55:35 +0300 From: Andrew Pantyukhin To: "williamkow@gmail.com" Message-ID: <20071127105534.GB1514@amilo.cenkes.org> References: <474BE464.3010208@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474BE464.3010208@gmail.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:55:38 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:24PM +0800, williamkow@gmail.com wrote: > Could you please advise me whether the ntfs-3g command can be > (ported) used in BSDs for read-write access to NTFS. http://www.freshports.org/sysutils/fusefs-ntfs/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 11:30:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F3016A41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:30:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A5B13C474 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5240A2941A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-141-157-246-57.ny325.east.verizon.net [141.157.246.57]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB2B169A2 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:30:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:29:51 +0000 From: Bob Richards To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071127112951.74d7feaa@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <20071126114525.338f3935@tania.servebbs.org> References: <474A577F.3090307@gmail.com> <20071126054636.GA5961@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <474A8B44.1010909@gmail.com> <20071126111559.GB2283@kobe.laptop> <20071126114525.338f3935@tania.servebbs.org> Organization: blythe Systems X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) X-Face: +\{75whsIB]=i--WqkV^U>!y`<~%(FUd, DQs, &e1yLt==9%It?7#?n>%Splqb, lDIEu%WsB7o+6k2n`6Q5Fl, vJei{$-.KlHPHu/.~VuE=C[}lQmL}>V1t\yTn2iTwCfM`% Face: 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 X-WebDesign: www.lithium-design.com X-Consulting: www.blythe-systems.com X-Terminate: George W Bush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/=Y/nCcP3MeE/SdVeiU+yaU_"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rrichard@blythe-systems.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:30:11 -0000 --Sig_/=Y/nCcP3MeE/SdVeiU+yaU_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >To be perfectly clear this isn't really receiving mail. Your >configuring a system at dydns.org or some other mail forwarder to >receive your mail for you then forward it on to your system using the >alternative port. Not what I am doing. I only suggested that to the original poster who has an inbound port25 restriction. I receive all my important email directly. >Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no >benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be >using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing. The >OP just hasn't realized this yet. There are very good reasons why one might want to receive mail directly.=20 I live and work aboard a trawler, I do not always have the same ISP for connectivity. At the home dock, I have DSL, underway, I have a satellite link, close to shore while cruising, or anchored, I have Sprint .... some marinas offer 80211, etc....=20 My "Important" email, like weather/navigation alerts, family e-mail, work related email is delivered directly to the on-board server, which has a name.servebbs.org, and is kept DNS's properly via dyndns. All of my outbound email is smart-hosted to another ISP on port 587 Start TLS. This way, I do not have to have any special access to any particular ISP to get and send email, it shows up immediately, and I am notified. =20 Bob --=20 _ /o\ // \\ The ASCII \\ // Ribbon Campaign \V/ Against HTML /A\ eMail! // \\ --Sig_/=Y/nCcP3MeE/SdVeiU+yaU_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHS/+vCiULygfUvEMRAhYjAJ46SxAajoxtYA90yESL18xOFItsHQCgoCgG SibBlSMukRf6irSqjZUesWw= =kV+V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/=Y/nCcP3MeE/SdVeiU+yaU_-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 13:00:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6CA16A46B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mesiob.obspm.fr (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F1C13C459 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:00:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from localhost (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by mesiob.obspm.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/SIO Observatoire de Paris) with ESMTP id lARD0KdR001215; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:00:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:00:20 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20071127130020.GA81551@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:00:20 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on mesiob.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:00:22 -0000 Le 26/11/2007 à 22:34:34-0800, Ted Mittelstaedt a écrit > > Sorry yeasterday I don't have time to answer you. > > > > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. > > I try again > > and hope there more solution > > > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql > > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some > > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6 > > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think > > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. > > > > The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks. > > > > Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for increase > > the perf ? > > > > Start with the obvious stuff first. How big is the database? How > big is system ram? If you have less ram than you have database then > mysql will have to go to the hard disk for the select which will kill > it's performance. > Well : Database size ~ 180Mo Ram of server = 4 Go 2 processeurs. Nothing run on this server (charge is near zero). The disk I/O is running very fast. The make buildworld is fast too (I don't have measure but it's «fast» ;-)) Regards. -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Heure local/Local time: Mar 27 nov 2007 13:58:17 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 13:01:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D8616A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mesiob.obspm.fr (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6CA13C45A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from localhost (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by mesiob.obspm.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/SIO Observatoire de Paris) with ESMTP id lARD1phh001760; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:01:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:01:51 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Jan Catrysse Message-ID: <20071127130151.GB81551@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20071126120319.GA70494@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20071126122759.2734628C2F@smtp.proximedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20071126122759.2734628C2F@smtp.proximedia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:01:51 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on mesiob.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:01:53 -0000 Le 26/11/2007 à 13:31:12+0100, Jan Catrysse a écrit > > > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, > > I'm running > > > > Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is > > very bad. > > > > For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux > > > > it's take 0.6 sec). > > > > 6 seconds seem to be an awful lot. What kind of query are > > you running > > > on what kind of database / contents? > > > I don't really known it's some scientifical data. But the > > problem is on a basic linux pc (with SATA disk) the time is > > 0.6 sec with same request and same data. And it's for web > > applications. At 6 sec for one request it's become very long > > for the visitor because the application make many requests. > > > > Regards > > -- > > Albert SHIH > > Did you try pinpointing down the problem to make sure their is not another > bottleneck? Is the system running in production environment for the moment > or are you the sole user? No the server is empty (only root can logging) and no service running (other thant Mysql and apache). And when I try this test the load of the server is near zero. > > How did you install MySQL? I my experience (but I can be wrong) the default > settings give the best performance on 5.x MySQL FreeBSD 6.2. So no Linux > threads and stuff... Directly from the ports. Regards. > JAS -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Heure local/Local time: Mar 27 nov 2007 14:00:40 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 13:02:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9017A16A46C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:02:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mesiob.obspm.fr (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C359D13C4E5 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:02:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from localhost (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by mesiob.obspm.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/SIO Observatoire de Paris) with ESMTP id lARD2RTi001970; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:02:27 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:02:27 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Ivan Voras Message-ID: <20071127130227.GC81551@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:02:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on mesiob.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:02:29 -0000 Le 26/11/2007 à 13:29:35+0100, Ivan Voras a écrit > Albert Shih wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. I try again > > and hope there more solution > > > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql > > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some > > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6 > > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think > > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. > > > > For starts, if you didn't do it already, copy > /usr/local/share/mysql/my-huge.cnf to /etc/my.cnf and try again. These > are just some general settings, they might or might not help you. It's change nothing but thanks for you answer Regards. JAS -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Heure local/Local time: Mar 27 nov 2007 14:02:06 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 13:04:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EBE16A46C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mesiob.obspm.fr (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31F813C46B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from localhost (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by mesiob.obspm.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/SIO Observatoire de Paris) with ESMTP id lARD4BIo002750; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:04:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:04:11 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: "Philip M. Gollucci" Message-ID: <20071127130411.GD81551@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> <474ABA1B.9070808@riderway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <474ABA1B.9070808@riderway.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:04:11 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on mesiob.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:04:15 -0000 Le 26/11/2007 à 07:20:43-0500, Philip M. Gollucci a écrit > Albert Shih wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. I try again > > and hope there more solution > > > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql > > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some > > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6 > > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think > > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. > Well -- we'll need more information, but as your say, if its not > threading related what makes you think its FreeBSD. You'd probably have > better luck over on mysql@lists.mysql.com. Thanks for this information. > Also, your my.cnf is the next step. [client] port = 3306 socket = /tmp/mysql.sock [mysqld] port = 3306 socket = /tmp/mysql.sock skip-locking key_buffer = 384M max_allowed_packet = 1M table_cache = 512 sort_buffer_size = 2M read_buffer_size = 2M read_rnd_buffer_size = 8M myisam_sort_buffer_size = 64M thread_cache_size = 8 query_cache_size = 32M thread_concurrency = 8 log-bin=mysql-bin server-id = 1 [mysqldump] quick max_allowed_packet = 16M [mysql] no-auto-rehash [isamchk] key_buffer = 256M sort_buffer_size = 256M read_buffer = 2M write_buffer = 2M [myisamchk] key_buffer = 256M sort_buffer_size = 256M read_buffer = 2M write_buffer = 2M [mysqlhotcopy] interactive-timeout Regards. JAS -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Heure local/Local time: Mar 27 nov 2007 14:02:31 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 13:34:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6565116A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc3-cdif2-0-0-cust64.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.106.128.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2172313C468 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ix0aJ-000KRG-G2; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:43 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Bruce Cran Message-ID: <20071127133443.GA84516@submonkey.net> References: <20071126095833.GA6422@submonkey.net> <20071126112106.GC2283@kobe.laptop> <474B2571.7090801@cran.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474B2571.7090801@cran.org.uk> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange kernel log message X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:46 -0000 --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 07:58:41PM +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> On 2007-11-26 09:58, Ceri Davies wrote: >> =20 >>> So I have this in my security run output: >>> kernel log messages: >>> +++ /tmp/security.hLYJI0kF Sun Nov 25 03:01:02 2007 >>> +<<<<222>2>>>NNNMNMMIII M III SIISAS SAAA 3 303,020,0 ,, EE=20 >>> IEIIESSSAIAA S A f ffffff >>> + >>> + >>> +f >>>=20 >>> WTF now? >>>=20 >>> I'm not sure if that's a real kernel message that got garbled or whether >>> I should be worried about naughtiness. >>> =20 >>=20 >> It looks like multiple messages overlapping each other. Removing 3 >> characters every 4 bytes in the output produces things which seem >> vaguely recognizable: >>=20 >> <22NNI II A ,,,EISA fff >> <<2>NMI SS 300 ISAAfff >>=20 >> There's a sysctl option which you can tweak to make this less likely to >> happen, but I am not sure about its name. Our console gurus can help >> you track it down and tune its value :) >=20 > The kernel option I've seen mentioned before to at least make this less= =20 > common is: >=20 > options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=3D128 # Prevent printf output being intersper= sed. Aha, thanks guys. Ceri --=20 That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHTBzzocfcwTS3JF8RArfVAJ0XEXnOOFSFMg/geIHCCagmWfjMGQCfTcno jYnZNjY2VQ3QhkZ1ZAc45s0= =Nkxc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 13:46:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3162D16A469 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:46:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F0213C442 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:46:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from epia-2.farid-hajji.net (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325E1E061F; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:46:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:46:05 +0100 From: cpghost To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr Message-ID: <20071127144605.3339a38c@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> In-Reply-To: <20071126120319.GA70494@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20071126115022.GA70340@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20071126115816.DB21928C76@smtp.proximedia.com> <20071126120319.GA70494@pcjas.obspm.fr> Organization: Cordula's Web X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:46:09 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:03:19 +0100 Albert Shih wrote: > > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm > > > running Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL > > > is very bad. For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on > > > some basic Linux it's take 0.6 sec). And I think this is > > > nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think FreeBSD 7.0 > > > can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. > > I don't really known it's some scientifical data. But the problem is > on a basic linux pc (with SATA disk) the time is 0.6 sec with same > request and same data. And it's for web applications. At 6 sec for > one request it's become very long for the visitor because the > application make many requests. It may also be a simple database administration issue: If selects are taking so long, I'd strongly suspect that an INDEX table is either missing or damaged. Are you 100% sure that the database schema is *identical* on the Linux and FreeBSD machines? Perhaps dropping and rebuilding the index tables could speed things up? You could also try to listen to the disks while that slow select is performed: if the disks are thrashing, AND the swap activity is not really higher than else (vmstat -s, or top), it's a dead giveaway that mysqld is doing more disk i/o than necessary, i.e. check the index tables. If on the contrary the disks are quiet while the select runs, check if mysqld is accumulating CPU time (with top): if it is NOT, I'd guess it is some issue with the threading library, i.e. some threads are deadlocked and waiting. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 13:49:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95A516A419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBD513C442 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lARDnBA0097484; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:49:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:50:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <20071127130020.GA81551@pcjas.obspm.fr> Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:49:16 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Albert Shih [mailto:Albert.Shih@obspm.fr] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:00 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL > > > Le 26/11/2007 à 22:34:34-0800, Ted Mittelstaedt a écrit > > > > > > Sorry yeasterday I don't have time to answer you. > > > > > > > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. > > > I try again > > > and hope there more solution > > > > > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm > running Mysql > > > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some > > > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6 > > > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I > don't think > > > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select. > > > > > > The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks. > > > > > > Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for increase > > > the perf ? > > > > > > > Start with the obvious stuff first. How big is the database? How > > big is system ram? If you have less ram than you have database then > > mysql will have to go to the hard disk for the select which will kill > > it's performance. > > > Well : > > Database size ~ 180Mo > Ram of server = 4 Go > 2 processeurs. > Nothing run on this server (charge is near zero). > > The disk I/O is running very fast. > The make buildworld is fast too (I don't have measure but it's «fast» ;-)) > Is Hyperthreading enabled (by default it is not under FreeBSD) mysql is heavily dependent on threading, if it is not built and linked into the freebsd threads package you will get poor performance. Some folks have installed the linux compat libs and linked mysql into the linux threads package and reported good results. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 14:05:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B385316A418; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:05:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB1513C4D3; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:05:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 144875277-1860479 for multiple; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:05:23 -0500 Message-ID: <474C2400.1090403@chrononomicon.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:04:48 -0500 From: Bart Silverstrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> <474B8CD3.2030906@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: <474B8CD3.2030906@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Cc: "eBoundHost@FreeBSD.ORG:Artur" , Frank Shute , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:05:04 -0000 Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > eBoundHost: Artur wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: >>>> >> >> 1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an >> appropriate forum to express political views. so whether we are for >> or against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really >> does not matter. what matters is how good our coding is, and how >> appropriate the wording on our website. because like it or not, we >> have to present a decent website that does not offend our users and >> does not make us look bad in front of non-users. > > this reasoning was one of the main excuses of Germans after the war was > lost. 'I only did my job'. This thread has been a wonderful demonstration of how people rationalize and interpret information. The poster before you was saying that they don't care what your non-BSD related views are, keep them to yourself. They're saying the priority is to promote and evangelize BSD. The political commentary has nothing to do with the OS, so it reflects on the community when threads like this are pursued. Somehow, you're saying the "Germans rationalized their atrocities with the excuse they were only doing their jobs." A) I don't see how the two are related at all. You're not making any clear justification for that reply. B) What happened was more a demonstration of society and psychology than having an entire nation suddenly "go insane." Every society has elements that to an outsider with their own culture and standards seems insane, and events of the period will also influence perceptions. It's also very clear that Germany wasn't one cohesive anti-Jewish loony bin. They were people, plain Jane citizens with their own beliefs and lives. >> that's what the community thinks is appropriate. What I'm suggesting >> is that we remove his name from the website: > > Is there a shorter way to express the same thing? Replace everything mildly offensive with the string Anonymous or Chuck or Beastie. Whitewashing everything is the clearest way to having an enlightened community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 14:22:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A416416A469 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:22:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A35C13C46B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 144877164-1860479 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:22:32 -0500 Message-ID: <474C2812.9060503@chrononomicon.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:22:10 -0500 From: Bart Silverstrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> <474BD8DE.90600@pacific.net.sg> <474BEDC1.5060204@pacific.net.sg> <1196159936.816.7.camel@zeus.se> In-Reply-To: <1196159936.816.7.camel@zeus.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:22:17 -0000 Peo Nilsson wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >>> it was the fascism that lost the war. He discarded his country for his >>> fascism. > > *No* humans *win* any kind of "war". > They *all* loose... Loose? Catch them then. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 14:38:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5B016A420 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:38:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E95D13C474 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:38:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071127142243.RUIY9083.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@corinth.polands.org> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:22:43 +0000 Received: from email.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAREMgx5023967; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:22:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from 208.49.58.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user djp) by email.polands.org with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:22:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <21304.208.49.58.254.1196173362.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <19181.208.49.58.254.1196111022.squirrel@email.polands.org> References: <62327.208.49.58.254.1196108813.squirrel@email.polands.org> <19181.208.49.58.254.1196111022.squirrel@email.polands.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:22:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Doug Poland" To: "Doug Poland" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4930/Tue Nov 27 03:03:33 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:38:54 -0000 On Mon, November 26, 2007 15:03, Doug Poland wrote: > > On Mon, November 26, 2007 14:26, Doug Poland wrote: >> Hello, >> >> This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly >> after starting X11. I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup >> of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems. >> >> Unforunately, something's still broke. At first, when I tried to >> access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to: >> >> mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp >> panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc >> cpuid = 0 >> Uptime: 9s >> Physical memory: 3435 MB >> Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. >> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 >> >> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** >> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort >> >> >> After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't >> really clean after several manual runs of fsck. So I disabled >> softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems >> again. After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem >> again, this time getting a panic: >> >> panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch >> cpuid = 1 >> Uptime: 6m40s >> Physical memory: 3435 MB >> Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. >> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 >> >> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** >> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort >> >> Is there a way to identify and fix these errors? I'm thinking a >> newfs of both /var and /tmp is in order. I don't really care >> about /tmp, and I've backed up /var using dump(8). My concern is >> if I restore /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my >> broken files and have the same problem again. >> > Just a follow-up... Everytime I run a manual fsck on the problem > filesystems, it returns: > > > BLK(S) MISSING IN BITMAPS > SALVAGE? > > ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** > > > So it would appear that fsck is unable to repair damage, is that > correct? > Well, having stumped all the experts, I decided to reinstall from 7.0-BETA3 CD-ROM. After a few minutes of writing to the disk after newfs, I got more panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch errors. Since the device I'm writing to is a 3-day old Maxtor OneTouch III external HD, I've decided it must be a hardware failure and am returing the drive. -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 15:07:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C730E16A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail15.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail15.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B1E13C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakenet1@optusnet.com.au) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c220-239-172-188.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.172.188]) by mail15.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lARF73nJ021774; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:07:04 +1100 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <219A86D3-597D-4369-A0DA-5D1F14D80D43@optusnet.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jerahmy Pocott Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:06:42 +1100 To: Ted Mittelstaedt X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:07:06 -0000 On 27/11/2007, at 5:49 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerahmy Pocott [mailto:quakenet1@optusnet.com.au] >> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:48 AM >> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >> Cc: FreeBSD Questions >> Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT >> >> >> Perhaps, but I'v heard a lot of good things about IPF and IPNAT, >> especially since the nat is all in kernel where as natd is >> userland, so >> there is a slight performance boost possibly there as well.. >> > > I will address this one point here since it's enough to make > someone scream, it's such an old chestnut. > > natd is always criticized because going to userland is slow. So, > people who have slowness problems think that is the issue. > > In reality, the problem is that the DEFAULT setup and man page > examples for natd use the following ipfw divert rule: > > /sbin/ipfw -f flush > /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via ed0 > /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any > > This produces a rule such as the following: > > 00050 divert 8668 ip from any to any via de0 > > The problem though, is this is wrong. What it is doing is that > ALL traffic that comes into and out of the box - no matter what > the source and destination is - will be passed to the natd translator. > > What you SHOULD be using is a set of commands such: > > ipfw add divert natd ip from any to [outside IP address] in recv > [outside > interface] > ipfw add divert natd ip from not [outside IP address] to any out recv > [inside interface] xmit [outside interface] That does make a lot of sense! How ever the 2nd rule is slightly confusing me.. Shouldn't it be something like: divert natd ip from [internal net range] to any out via [outside if]? Cheers, J. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 15:39:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FA016A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from mtao01.charter.net (mtao01.charter.net [209.225.8.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFF513C45B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from aarprv02.charter.net ([10.20.200.72]) by mtao01.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071127153859.FKY2237.mtao01.charter.net@aarprv02.charter.net>; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:38:59 -0500 Received: from agreenftp.no-ip.com ([97.89.174.47]) by aarprv02.charter.net with ESMTP id <20071127153859.CWQH495.aarprv02.charter.net@agreenftp.no-ip.com>; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:38:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agreenftp.no-ip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5927C3980F; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from agreenftp.no-ip.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zeus.agreenftp.no-ip.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X4RfNb8HD9y8; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hercules.nuvox.net (216.215.202.5.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: andy) by agreenftp.no-ip.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCF9F3980B; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:38:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at agreenftp.no-ip.com Message-ID: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:38:58 -0500 From: Andy Greenwood User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071101) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aryeh Friedman References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:39:10 -0000 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR for: > > make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel > seg faulting > I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, that it might break something. Is that not true? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 15:52:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDFA16A41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from mtai04.charter.net (mtai04.charter.net [209.225.8.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85A413C4F3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:52:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mtai04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071127155240.PDYE10863.mtai04.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net>; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:40 -0500 Received: from agreenftp.no-ip.com ([97.89.174.47]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20071127155240.GFCT17353.aarprv04.charter.net@agreenftp.no-ip.com>; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agreenftp.no-ip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F903980F; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from agreenftp.no-ip.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zeus.agreenftp.no-ip.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id No2UO7h1Lggi; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hercules.nuvox.net (216.215.202.5.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: andy) by agreenftp.no-ip.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 634A13980B; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at agreenftp.no-ip.com Message-ID: <474C3D47.3010600@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:39 -0500 From: Andy Greenwood User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071101) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Cc: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:52:52 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Aryeh M. Friedman [mailto:aryeh.friedman@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:20 PM >> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; FreeBSD chat >> Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> >>> Beastie's Law: >>> >>> Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website >>> using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically >>> wrong. >>> >> Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. >> > > It doesen't matter. What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also > very subjective. However, Godwin's law works anyway. > According to wikipedia (I am aware this isn't a real source) Godwin's law is defined thusly. As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. The law isn't subjective at all. It specifically requires the comparison of one of the points or platforms to those of Nazis or Hitler himself. The comparison itself could be as oblique or subjective as you want, but the fact is that it must DIRECTLY involve Nazis or Hitler. However, I don't agree that the proposed Beastie's Law is subjective either. It states that the person making the demands is using political incorrectness as one of their points as to why the change should be made. Whether or not everyone will agree on the political (in)correctness of the proposed change is irrelevant. > Ted > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 15:57:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4AF916A469 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from smtp.utwente.nl (unknown [IPv6:2001:610:1908:1000:204:23ff:feb7:ef56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3445D13C4FF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from lux.student.utwente.nl (lux.student.utwente.nl [130.89.170.81]) by smtp.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id lARFv0iq007644; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:57:01 +0100 From: Pieter de Goeje To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:56:59 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711271657.00637.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact helpdesk@ITBE.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: pieter@degoeje.nl X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Andy Greenwood , Aryeh Friedman Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:07 -0000 On Tuesday 27 November 2007, Andy Greenwood wrote: > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR > > for: > > > > make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel > > seg faulting > > I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, > that it might break something. Is that not true? In my experience parallel kernel builds are fine. I think (wild guess) the OP is running out of memory and somewhere in make or gcc the return value of malloc() isn't checked. - Pieter de Goeje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 15:57:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0FA16A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anujhere@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97ACA13C442 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anujhere@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so1569369uge for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:57:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=3hx7IwJ62oz051YjqyleEr6gq8lME/1kna77tKQXkF0=; b=iAMN/9ytrddOzT/yIVTl8qS4nIW4ulwSoSAlbOK85++yrov+fnv9qre1ypGUNoiWCU8R0eUg5/Zg69Fxr8N8yg9hMyyeHdQO69okz96/7I2JRO7cPZm97EN4ah7S+NrRCgcKdg0mFK79COsH0T7c+zaEwvoRFBp2n7zhgNIQzRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nwmPDKbWvjlQd9VULyzCm7h/JHQohY4zBkMLrPd91AxqnYPRZ43SLtJD5s1TotJyJeqG7xaF0KHd+C0n254IZrRGX6QV+wlOx44f741H+5fkESfP4TR5sFWrAaFuOWJn1to4eaHjEjxjBRW+URz5/TrvyFXX8kO5cD+OVyDGxA8= Received: by 10.150.192.7 with SMTP id p7mr885592ybf.1196179022570; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.177.18 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:57:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3120c9e30711270757s649af28bj8d695cf7ccc2a1a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:27:02 +0530 From: "=?UTF-8?B?4KSF4KSo4KWB4KScIA==?=" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:08 -0000 Hello I installed dansguardian , gave it's entry in my /etc/rc.conf squid_enable="YES" dansguardian_enable="YES" I am getting error at the boot time dansguardian couldn't connected to parent proxy. Whereas squid starts without error. I am running squid over port 3121 and dansguardian on port 8080. After logging in and giving command "dansguardian" it starts without any error. What can be the reason? Plus in linux I have /etc/rc.local configuration file which i use to run special commands after my linux boots, How to do the same with FreeBSD. Thanks and Regards. Anugunj Anuj From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 16:11:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DED16A419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1690513C4D1 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2702049pyb for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:11:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=X/qLLKmzh2i5UVAHrl3Fcti7/BpmAzYDy0LsowkX6Gc=; b=PjPodRCezQwH82RcLOUSXgFERHj0y+jzAll5Wzh36w+rV3QeswAyb+0J+nTujx83HxojofmokLti/qnXFWKmSn8woAvNNFdzPhY7G5tVpSZtaRO0XnKr+Rpbi4Ch9q4NondxsuNurXUfFXY6Y+NTXTlPEWbIHK8uE6Vrx+7917c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bhI1BZFpw6Fd6mkiE3+wFzTsXw8is2P/dES1/Qxqr3QbfyeW3W4480X2QUDSwXeQI4gsYLZMeQL70XVOKIberu/O3NAes8UIuGHjR/LTiQsqtK9wrqAt1+M6ZLZTct2YThcb8tPQgogItz0SS3EGHcpMGRjjqaWNeJF8GbbrTKg= Received: by 10.35.86.19 with SMTP id o19mr4915258pyl.1196179893903; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.57.12 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:11:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8cb6106e0711270811r706fa81di9fafa79acfd227a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:11:33 -0500 From: "Josh Carroll" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071127130020.GA81551@pcjas.obspm.fr> Cc: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh.carroll@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:42 -0000 > Is Hyperthreading enabled (by default it is not under > FreeBSD) mysql is heavily dependent on threading, if it is not > built and linked into the freebsd threads package you will get > poor performance. Some folks have installed the linux compat libs > and linked mysql into the linux threads package and reported good > results. Actually, on 6.2, it's better to use libthr instead of libpthread. This can be done for MySQL only, but to test this without recompiling MySQL, he can: % echo "libpthread.so.2 libthr.so.2" >> /etc/libmap.conf Then restart the mysql server and test again. I noticed a huge increase in performance on 6.2 with libthr instead of libpthread. It wasn't a 10x improvement, though, so there is definitely something else going on with his setup. Regards, Josh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 16:28:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9993016A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcc@fid4.com) Received: from mail102.csoft.net (mail102.csoft.net [205.205.219.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7115B13C4D1 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcc@fid4.com) Received: from [172.28.30.135] (westford-nat.juniper.net [66.129.232.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail102.csoft.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701E21CC33; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <474C3DDB.2080103@fid4.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:55:07 -0500 From: "Michael C. Cambria" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bob Richards Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:28:03 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> [deleted] >> Don't know but a dime is too much right now (I am personally living on >> $15/mo once the rent, food and connectivity is paid for [the wonders >> of a startup with no investors]). That is one reason why colo is not >> possible... yes I understand most of the hassles involved since I was >> the head sysadmin for a full service ISP in a former life (mid to late >> 90's). >> >> > > Well, I think your stuck paying money for a service, but there are > some cheap ones out there. > > This guy is pretty cheap: > > http://www.domainmx.net/ > > This one is free - if you can deal with UUCP and the LD charges > to access with it: > > http://www.bungi.com > > I have a similar "virtual company" with people all over the place. I was running everything locally at one time. Since my (FreeBSD) router is always up, and my provider keeps the IP the same it worked for me. There were some reverse DNS issues where incoming mail from say AOL wouldn't make it but for me it was "who cares". The senders I cared about worked. I since moved mail for my domains to http://www.csoft.net. These guys fit my budget ($15/mo), provide a static IP, let me pick FreeBSD as my server (vs. OpenBSD or Linux last time I checked; there may be other choices now.) I also get shell access which lets me port forward when needed to get around providers (or hotels) that block ports I need. Last I checked, there are no bandwidth or other restrictions. They are also very open source friendly. MikeC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 16:38:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CB416A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AF1C13C457 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 91611 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 16:38:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=ESG9FQxF0ezoafIiAvLeGUddhRVBDbgwodyCk18YMNe9CQ1I9MR9Ib9BPOzDtg9Nbc5rYqS0azo4PZpDGsIygEo4TbROJUsLVJQVQZ36wtS2eDW4U9+MpABGDi133BKC1toFyP621jABzGulFOz55EM9TGZyNZf+1MTXxtMhmno= ; Received: from unknown (HELO napoleon.local) (mike.jeays@rogers.com@99.224.73.40 with login) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 16:38:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: olqekd8VM1lWiC6oYf4KgkXZ5GTTbBTbfDzirpnPb1Ftwi2aCnCvDnwEhCerAcS3gw-- From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:39:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <62327.208.49.58.254.1196108813.squirrel@email.polands.org> <19181.208.49.58.254.1196111022.squirrel@email.polands.org> <21304.208.49.58.254.1196173362.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <21304.208.49.58.254.1196173362.squirrel@email.polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711271139.12927.mike.jeays@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:38:25 -0000 On November 27, 2007 09:22:42 am Doug Poland wrote: > On Mon, November 26, 2007 15:03, Doug Poland wrote: > > On Mon, November 26, 2007 14:26, Doug Poland wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly > >> after starting X11. I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup > >> of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems. > >> > >> Unforunately, something's still broke. At first, when I tried to > >> access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to: > >> > >> mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp > >> panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc > >> cpuid = 0 > >> Uptime: 9s > >> Physical memory: 3435 MB > >> Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. > >> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 > >> > >> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** > >> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort > >> > >> > >> After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't > >> really clean after several manual runs of fsck. So I disabled > >> softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems > >> again. After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem > >> again, this time getting a panic: > >> > >> panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch > >> cpuid = 1 > >> Uptime: 6m40s > >> Physical memory: 3435 MB > >> Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. > >> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 > >> > >> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** > >> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort > >> > >> Is there a way to identify and fix these errors? I'm thinking a > >> newfs of both /var and /tmp is in order. I don't really care > >> about /tmp, and I've backed up /var using dump(8). My concern is > >> if I restore /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my > >> broken files and have the same problem again. > > > > Just a follow-up... Everytime I run a manual fsck on the problem > > filesystems, it returns: > > > > > > BLK(S) MISSING IN BITMAPS > > SALVAGE? > > > > ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** > > > > > > So it would appear that fsck is unable to repair damage, is that > > correct? > > Well, having stumped all the experts, I decided to reinstall from > 7.0-BETA3 CD-ROM. After a few minutes of writing to the disk after > newfs, I got more panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch errors. Since > the device I'm writing to is a 3-day old Maxtor OneTouch III external > HD, I've decided it must be a hardware failure and am returing the > drive. I have an older Maxtor drive (40GB) that refuses to allow FreeBSD to install, but has worked flawlessly with Linux. (It would work very slowly in PIO mode, but not DMA, which is not a whole lot of use). I would be interested to hear if your replacement disk works. -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 16:45:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACC816A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from mail-defer01.adhost.com (mail-defer01.adhost.com [216.211.128.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC6D13C478 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from mail-in02.adhost.com (mail-in02.adhost.com [10.211.128.129]) by mail-defer01.adhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D087ED5A7 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:29:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from ad-exh01.adhost.lan (unknown [216.211.143.69]) by mail-in02.adhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4671EE879; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:29:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:29:28 -0800 Message-ID: <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D52031602E53B14@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> In-Reply-To: <8cb6106e0711270811r706fa81di9fafa79acfd227a1@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Help for very bad perf for MySQL Thread-Index: AcgxEGrX+9h9tsVHRJKpEY2Fvwk1YAAAd4FQ References: <20071127130020.GA81551@pcjas.obspm.fr> <8cb6106e0711270811r706fa81di9fafa79acfd227a1@mail.gmail.com> From: "Michael K. Smith - Adhost" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Help for very bad perf for MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:45:38 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Josh Carroll > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:12 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL >=20 > > Is Hyperthreading enabled (by default it is not under > > FreeBSD) mysql is heavily dependent on threading, if it is not > > built and linked into the freebsd threads package you will get > > poor performance. Some folks have installed the linux compat libs > > and linked mysql into the linux threads package and reported good > > results. >=20 > Actually, on 6.2, it's better to use libthr instead of libpthread. > This can be done for MySQL only, but to test this without recompiling > MySQL, he can: >=20 > % echo "libpthread.so.2 libthr.so.2" >> /etc/libmap.conf >=20 > Then restart the mysql server and test again. I noticed a huge > increase in performance on 6.2 with libthr instead of libpthread. It > wasn't a 10x improvement, though, so there is definitely something > else going on with his setup. >=20 > Regards, > Josh Here are some things that helped us on a high-volume MySQL server. -- /etc/sysctl.conf -- (these can be added dynamically from the command line) kern.threads.max_groups_per_proc=3D40000 kern.threads.max_threads_per_proc=3D40000 kern.maxfiles=3D65535 kern.maxfilesperproc=3D65535 -- /boot/loader.conf -- (You'll have to reboot for these to take effect) kern.maxdsiz=3D"1073741824" # 1GB kern.dfldsiz=3D"1073741824" # 1GB kern.maxssiz=3D"134217728" # 128MB -- /etc/libmap.conf -- (as Josh said) [mysqld] libpthread.so.2 libthr.so.2 libpthread.so libthr.so Regards, Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 16:52:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246F116A41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F355213C4E7 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FE865504; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:07 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3E233CE162645D57F3F61284@utd59514.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <474BB706.4090505@gmail.com> References: <474BB706.4090505@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:52:09 -0000 --On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 01:19:50 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> Beastie's Law: >> >> Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website >> using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically >> wrong. > > Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. In some circles > for example immigrants are "foreign born" and using the correct term > is "wrong". > > Could we please dump this crap from the questions list and carry it forward on the chat list, where it belongs? It's getting very old. -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 17:14:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE5716A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:14:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80FE13C4D3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix407-0004cy-43 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:13:35 +0000 Received: from 78-1-106-178.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.106.178]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:13:35 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-1-106-178.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:13:35 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:11:46 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4E39512F13232D1051FC24E5" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-1-106-178.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Sender: news Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:14:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4E39512F13232D1051FC24E5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR f= or: >=20 > make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel > seg faulting Yes it is. Like others said, obtain as much information about the problem as you can (backtraces). Try to discover if it fails in make, gcc or somewhere else. The ridiculous setting should "do the right thing" which is work very slowly, but it *should* work. --------------enig4E39512F13232D1051FC24E5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTE/TldnAQVacBcgRArswAJsGXeG1q6kfMRKnqY5OMBoH1tKYYgCgnwq4 MWhVQ/N9xcnfr9UhiodYuQE= =diCa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4E39512F13232D1051FC24E5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 17:23:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B76316A41B; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A7F13C474; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lARHJ6Mc076890; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:19:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lARHJ5B8076889; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:19:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:19:05 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Erich Dollansky Message-ID: <20071127171905.GA76551@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> <474BD8DE.90600@pacific.net.sg> <474BEDC1.5060204@pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474BEDC1.5060204@pacific.net.sg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Joshua Isom , freebsd-questions Questions , FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:23:30 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 06:13:21PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Joshua Isom wrote: > > > >On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > >>Joshua Isom wrote: > >>>On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >>>>Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> > >>>"Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well." > >> > >>no, he was a bad one. He finally lost > > > >But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the > > he only lost because of the Germans sabotaging him. Not hardly. He lost because he was unable to see reality when it conflicted with his pre-made conclusions and 'plan' - something familiar in the USA at the moment. > > He was the last man standing saving the last bullet for himself. No, he committed suicide because he couldn't face up to the loss. > > >it was the fascism that lost the war. He discarded his country for his > >fascism. > > He gave his life for the country. Not really. In this he was a good facist -- he gave his country for his on well being and when his country was insufficient, he failed and bailed out. His was a classic case of what is often called the 'radical right syndrom' in psychology studies. It is a slight misnomer because there can be a similar pathology that features the political left, but it is not nearly as common. Deviants leaning in that direction tend to manifest it differently. Anyway, the basic synopsis is that he was encourated to perceive himself as a total loser during his formative years, primarily by an abusive father figure who also demanded that he be strong. He became, for a while, a mama's boy. But he was unable to contain the two conflicting perceptions - that of being an unsucessful loser and that he must be strong and successful - acquiring a severe case of something called cognative dissonance. Most people learn to blunt the extreme edges of these conflicts as they mature, but some cannot and must act out in some way. Adolf's way was anti-social in extreme. He did the classic thing for someone experiencing severe cognative disonance and found convenient places to offload his conflict - Jews and others who were popularly seen as misfits and often blamed for social problems - and, since this does not really relieve the problem, continued to escalate this attempt to offload his internal conflict. He was able to invent an image for himself which he used to recruit and hold followers who were also looking for ways to explain their failures and/or for relief from their bad condidtions, but he never really believed that image of himself and also had to escalate it continuously to support it so as not to fall back in to that unacceptable loser state. When it was finally no longer possible to support that image, he chose death, pretending it was the bold way, when actually it was just yet another way of avoiding the perceived reality that he had carried with him all his life. This syndrom, based on cognative disonance, is fairly common and is present in many of the terrorist types - especially the leaders, but not necessarily the followers whom they dupe in to believing their acts are ways of salvation from abuse rather than escapes from unacceptable internal conclicts. It is also apparent in some political leaders, including some currently prominent on the world stage, in varying intensities. Now, how does this fit in OS type questions. I'd really have to think hard to rationalize that. Sorry. ////jerry > > > > >>>Flame war anyone? > >> > >>Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign. > >> > >>The mother of all flame wars. > > > >Classic retreat strategy. Make the earth worthless. Kind of doesn't > >work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown. > > Classic? How wasted his own resources like this before? > > Erich > > PS: > > I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand > the irony in here > > > > >>Erich > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 17:23:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E823D16A468; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2999E13C45B; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 144900668-1860479 for multiple; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:24:10 -0500 Message-ID: <474C52A3.9040406@chrononomicon.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:23:47 -0500 From: Bart Silverstrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <474BB706.4090505@gmail.com> <3E233CE162645D57F3F61284@utd59514.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <3E233CE162645D57F3F61284@utd59514.utdallas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:23:52 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 01:19:50 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>> Beastie's Law: >>> >>> Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website >>> using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically >>> wrong. >> >> Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. In some circles >> for example immigrants are "foreign born" and using the correct term >> is "wrong". >> >> > Could we please dump this crap from the questions list and carry it > forward on the chat list, where it belongs? It's getting very old. How about a law describing the time it takes for someone to start complaining that thread XYZ needs to be moved elsewhere where it truly belongs, thus both voicing their dislike of the thread and still prolonging and contributing to the noise at the same time? :-) -Bart From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 17:27:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DEA16A421 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:27:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C7513C4CC for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:27:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lARHN1RE076934; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:23:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lARHN0on076933; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:23:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:23:00 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Peo Nilsson Message-ID: <20071127172300.GB76551@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> <474BD8DE.90600@pacific.net.sg> <474BEDC1.5060204@pacific.net.sg> <1196159936.816.7.camel@zeus.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1196159936.816.7.camel@zeus.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:27:34 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:38:55AM +0100, Peo Nilsson wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > it was the fascism that lost the war. He discarded his country for his > > > fascism. > > *No* humans *win* any kind of "war". > They *all* loose... So obviously true that only those who experience it, see it. > > ...will they ever learn?. > > Well, by "erasing" the history, no matter who "tried" > to write it, the chance decrease... Hmmm. I have come to think that our writing our history condemns us to repeat it rather than the other way around. With oral history it is possible to creatively adjust it in each generation. With written history, it is only creatively adjusted (no history is written truthfully) when it is first written down which is the time it is least understood or at least, least seen in perspective. Then, since it is written, we seem condemned to believing it rather than making it useful to our needs. ////jerry > > > - EvErY day is a rare gift - > > Have a gr8 day every one, it's unique...:-) > > -- > /Peo > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > - PGP signed/encrypted emails is prefered - > ---------------------------------------------- > > [novice about this? ~> visit: www.gnupg.org] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 17:37:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397EC16A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F9A13C442 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lARHWpCY076977; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:32:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lARHWpWR076976; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:32:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:32:51 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: "williamkow@gmail.com" Message-ID: <20071127173251.GC76551@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <474BE464.3010208@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474BE464.3010208@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:37:14 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:24PM +0800, williamkow@gmail.com wrote: > I am newbie of FreeBSD and I have been trying to learn other O/S and I > have chosen OpenSUSE and using it for quite some time, would like to try > others, example FreeBSD, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. Before anythings, I do > some reading and found out that the read-only support for NTFS > partition, see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems (at > the "Technical Information" section) > > However, the NTFS partition is still important for me with read/write > access by any new O/S, due to my main storage of my data files are in > NTFS partition (external harddisk) that will then be connected to other > computer (Microsoft Windows). Could you please advise me whether the > ntfs-3g command can be (ported) used in BSDs for read-write access to > NTFS. Thank you. Someone on the list claimed good success just yesterday or the day before. Check in the questions archive. So far, I have only used NTFS in read only on FreeBSD, but if the ntfs-3g works it could be just what you want. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 17:44:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1DC16A41A; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:44:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D229713C461; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lARHhgl3029802; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:43:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id zm9+Hx+i+QG3; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:43:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lARHhWGl029796; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:43:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <474C573F.4000403@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:43:27 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070418 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bart Silverstrim References: <474BB706.4090505@gmail.com> <3E233CE162645D57F3F61284@utd59514.utdallas.edu> <474C52A3.9040406@chrononomicon.com> In-Reply-To: <474C52A3.9040406@chrononomicon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:44:00 -0000 Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > > Paul Schmehl wrote: >> --On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 01:19:50 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" >> wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>>> Beastie's Law: >>>> >>>> Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website >>>> using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically >>>> wrong. >>> >>> Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. In some circles >>> for example immigrants are "foreign born" and using the correct term >>> is "wrong". >>> >>> >> Could we please dump this crap from the questions list and carry it >> forward on the chat list, where it belongs? It's getting very old. > > How about a law describing the time it takes for someone to start > complaining that thread XYZ needs to be moved elsewhere where it truly > belongs, thus both voicing their dislike of the thread and still > prolonging and contributing to the noise at the same time? > 10h42m in the present thread's case; if ($threadXYZ['title']=="who wrote this"), then it's 47h29m, or "approximately two days", which seems to be a more reasonable estimate based on my experience with the lists, and not taking into account whether or not the OP is a known troll, in which case it's 2 to 3 times faster, at least. :-D Kevin Kinsey -- An American's a person who isn't afraid to criticize the president but is always polite to traffic cops. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 18:20:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D39A16A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:20:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BFA13C468 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:20:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lARIKnMu030524; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id lARIKnHi030523; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:20:49 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20071127182049.GB30417@thought.org> References: <20071127013546.GA22291@thought.org> <20071127071208.GB41460@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071127071208.GB41460@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. Cc: Subject: Re: Am I back? Re: kernel fault trying to add atapicam... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:20:51 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:12:08AM +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:35:46PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Folks (to the whole list, but esp'ly Messrs Smith [NL & AU], > > [[ ... ]] > > Can you post or mail your kernel config? > I can sed you mine if that helps. > > > Could it be as simple as Not having done a make clean > > before doing a make buildkernel? > > It is recommended to clean out /usr/obj before starting a new build. I'll try this first, then rebuild 6.2 and try to reboot. So far, I haven't touched the kernel configuration file except for adding atapicam. Willl send, off-list, if same fault hang up during boot. ...But IIRC, *not* haviing removed the /usr/obj tree has caused problems before. gary > > > I don't burn // copy audio > > discs that often and haven't ever copied a DVD; I just want these > > new utilities to work. > > You could try burncd, which doesn't require the speudo-SCSI stuff. But > I've heard a lot of grumbling about it on the list over the years. > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 18:34:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8B016A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caioabecia@yahoo.com.br) Received: from smtp106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E393513C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:33:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caioabecia@yahoo.com.br) Received: (qmail 36733 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 18:33:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.br; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=3Wz5MwGT10WxooB/F2+QGvPX7sGdrHLrJ4Gzdcums9xilm00z2/i8j4h2c9IPQCH76VFtoieFOhaZn/mbwGvkxTOHoE7lz+iKjN2vwzBASy7isxn6nzBrSl9V9X05fjQRUhjCf/m+DtiY3Lq9novLx4KOJAJ9QRZ/gOg3cqxhvg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO riodejaneiro) (caioabecia@200.162.219.207 with login) by smtp106.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 18:33:58 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c83124$b9c1ab00$530210ac@riodejaneiro> From: "Caio Figueiredo Abecia" To: "Jerry McAllister" , References: <474BE464.3010208@gmail.com> <20071127173251.GC76551@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:38:34 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071127-0, 27/11/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:34:00 -0000 Hi, This week I have tested NTFS-3G in Freebsd (pc-bsd) with success. It's quite simple. I'm busy at the moment but I'll reply this e-mail more late with the step-by-step to make NTFS-3G works if you want. []'s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry McAllister" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) > On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:24PM +0800, williamkow@gmail.com wrote: > >> I am newbie of FreeBSD and I have been trying to learn other O/S and I >> have chosen OpenSUSE and using it for quite some time, would like to try >> others, example FreeBSD, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. Before anythings, I do >> some reading and found out that the read-only support for NTFS >> partition, see >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems (at >> the "Technical Information" section) >> >> However, the NTFS partition is still important for me with read/write >> access by any new O/S, due to my main storage of my data files are in >> NTFS partition (external harddisk) that will then be connected to other >> computer (Microsoft Windows). Could you please advise me whether the >> ntfs-3g command can be (ported) used in BSDs for read-write access to >> NTFS. Thank you. > > Someone on the list claimed good success just yesterday or the day before. > Check in the questions archive. So far, I have only used NTFS in > read only on FreeBSD, but if the ntfs-3g works it could be just what > you want. > > ////jerry > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 19:01:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C42716A476 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9B613C47E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2C2654FF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:01:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:01:03 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <658052F1A164A672FC0ED335@utd59514.utdallas.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: What does RELEASE-p8 mean? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:01:04 -0000 Is there a page on the site that explains the version numbering system? I'm trying to find out what RELEASE-p8 means (specifically what the -p8 means), and I can't seem to figure out where to find it. -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 19:02:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EB516A478 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA97C13C45D; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:02:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474C69D4.5050804@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:02:44 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Greenwood References: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Aryeh Friedman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:02:36 -0000 Andy Greenwood wrote: > Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR >> for: >> >> make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel >> seg faulting >> > > I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, > that it might break something. Is that not true? Not true for many years. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 19:43:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3782C16A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org (cpc5-cmbg1-0-0-cust497.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.6.1.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EBA13C46A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id CB767614E; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:43:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EBB60E2 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:43:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from danielby@localhost) by torus.slightlystrange.org (8.14.2/8.13.4/Submit) id lARJhM3W002962 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:43:22 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:43:22 +0000 From: Daniel Bye To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20071127194321.GA1042@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <658052F1A164A672FC0ED335@utd59514.utdallas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <658052F1A164A672FC0ED335@utd59514.utdallas.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A Subject: Re: What does RELEASE-p8 mean? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:43:26 -0000 --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 01:01:03PM -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > Is there a page on the site that explains the version numbering system?= =20 > I'm trying to find out what RELEASE-p8 means (specifically what the -p8= =20 > means), and I can't seem to figure out where to find it. I guess you're talking about 6.2-RELEASE-p8? It refers to the security patch level - -p8 is the eighth patch to have been issued for 6.2-RELEASE. Subscribe to security-notifications@ to be kept informed of when a new=20 security patch is issued. Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHTHNZixf5fBYiFmoRArp+AKCNAPx9RSTwRe2ZMlwvsumc/nKfhgCg0EyL BBOpXubrIkLnOjPy0EhA1no= =q3yV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 19:47:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14D116A469 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:47:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A85913C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:47:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Nov 2007 19:20:38 -0000 Received: from pD958801D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO core2duo) [217.88.128.29] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 20:20:38 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4870692 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/IwUA7HVrI6TyHRlmIrqGPRzclLNEQQiW561YTeg oiVJq1Aj7CbPYf Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:20:37 +0100 To: "Paul Schmehl" , "FreeBSD Questions" From: "Andreas Rudisch" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <658052F1A164A672FC0ED335@utd59514.utdallas.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <658052F1A164A672FC0ED335@utd59514.utdallas.edu> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.24 (Win32) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Subject: Re: What does RELEASE-p8 mean? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:47:19 -0000 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:01:03 +0100, Paul Schmehl wrote: > I'm trying to find out what RELEASE-p8 means (specifically what the -p8 > means), and I can't seem to figure out where to find it. > It is the patch level. Take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/security/ and you will figure it out. Andreas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 19:56:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB12616A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caioabecia@yahoo.com.br) Received: from smtp107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC5BF13C465 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from caioabecia@yahoo.com.br) Received: (qmail 73704 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 19:56:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.br; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=JWiv2PaFmqde5dF6sFTNKV0yYLre3UP9D7dQiSUEWOvG0rIIXMHVSPNHKEmxaY9GY0Kp2E+dajoq1XaPogRpgLUKg+I8MMr8AzGYCU56ujVTp5e7t/c1iOPaY/VGo+srJTtvkKHqxhPhR0uTJt1PBi+UOoCbnPSW2K5Cyf2lg+I= ; Received: from unknown (HELO riodejaneiro) (caioabecia@200.162.219.207 with login) by smtp107.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 19:56:06 -0000 Message-ID: <008001c83130$337d2590$530210ac@riodejaneiro> From: "Caio Figueiredo Abecia" To: References: <474BE464.3010208@gmail.com><20071127173251.GC76551@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <003401c83124$b9c1ab00$530210ac@riodejaneiro> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:00:44 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071127-0, 27/11/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:56:09 -0000 Hey, I'm new to bsd too. Here's my contribution: :) To install NTFS-3G from ports: First make sure you have the freebsd source code. Then login as root. Go to: /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-ntfs Then type: #: make install clean To use it you have to load first the kernel module by typing: #: kldload Then mount the ntfs partition using: #: ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows That's it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caio Figueiredo Abecia" To: "Jerry McAllister" ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:38 PM Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) > Hi, > > This week I have tested NTFS-3G in Freebsd (pc-bsd) with success. > It's quite simple. > > I'm busy at the moment but I'll reply this e-mail more late with the > step-by-step to make NTFS-3G works if you want. > > []'s > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry McAllister" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) > > >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:24PM +0800, williamkow@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> I am newbie of FreeBSD and I have been trying to learn other O/S and I >>> have chosen OpenSUSE and using it for quite some time, would like to try >>> others, example FreeBSD, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. Before anythings, I do >>> some reading and found out that the read-only support for NTFS >>> partition, see >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems (at >>> the "Technical Information" section) >>> >>> However, the NTFS partition is still important for me with read/write >>> access by any new O/S, due to my main storage of my data files are in >>> NTFS partition (external harddisk) that will then be connected to other >>> computer (Microsoft Windows). Could you please advise me whether the >>> ntfs-3g command can be (ported) used in BSDs for read-write access to >>> NTFS. Thank you. >> >> Someone on the list claimed good success just yesterday or the day >> before. >> Check in the questions archive. So far, I have only used NTFS in >> read only on FreeBSD, but if the ntfs-3g works it could be just what >> you want. >> >> ////jerry >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 20:18:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F0116A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@foster.cc) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2395913C4E7 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@foster.cc) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hter1Y00F0mlR8U0A0AX00; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:18:21 +0000 Received: from fosgate.dyndns.org ([24.17.77.253]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HwJL1Y00K5TuUQw0800000; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:18:21 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aVuXTzJJ9OkA:10 a=1EcHIz18t7c1Zh8iyhEYvA==:17 a=81ABGVOTAAAA:8 a=WHC6ClGUs_ZMclNBr-sA:9 a=L1suia1yPfTeub3_V2n0kTeQ5RoA:4 a=qxnMXkL1gOoA:10 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fosgate.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADA53982B; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:14:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foster.cc Received: from fosgate.dyndns.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sonar.foster.dmz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l-irz5XYNk+u; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.253.50] (fis-gw1.portseattle.org [198.134.96.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by fosgate.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C988339828; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:14:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474C7B7E.5040805@foster.cc> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:18:06 -0800 From: "Mark D. Foster" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20071023) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?4KSF4KSo4KWB4KSc?= References: <3120c9e30711270757s649af28bj8d695cf7ccc2a1a3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3120c9e30711270757s649af28bj8d695cf7ccc2a1a3@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:18:18 -0000 अनà¥à¤œ wrote: > Hello > I installed dansguardian , gave it's entry in my /etc/rc.conf > squid_enable="YES" > dansguardian_enable="YES" > > I am getting error at the boot time dansguardian couldn't connected to > parent proxy. Whereas squid starts without error. > I am running squid over port 3121 and dansguardian on port 8080. > > After logging in and giving command "dansguardian" it starts without any error. > Had a similar problem with dansguardian & tinyproxy, they start in the wrong order. So... rename /usr/local/etc/rc.d/squid.sh to 01_squid.sh rename /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dansguardian.sh to 02_dansguardian.sh You might need to add "sleep 5" into 02_dansguardian.sh to give squid.sh time to finish starting up. -- Said one park ranger, 'There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.' Mark D. Foster, CISSP http://mark.foster.cc/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 20:48:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD8F16A599 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:48:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6A613C4E3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:48:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so288488anc for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:48:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=si7u7B1dNOg4U9X60ws+u4YTXuFLuGxnhee3aktTHXI=; b=delAvFnaBP7CnArwjkRiuvCKxuVjMZEWmKBRa80L0ALMn5ecSqikBqsugCgMhpTlwNvAlwGLzMuORFE9y/fnSyppOxEfxGx6bj/Y+WkML0DEpX+IJdO3d32gSO9U7zscOSv+AlPXBBEJx3Lq2ZO+zSehu6nnWoRx+W4qKOgHF4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=H/d86dju536RuVkURpcAwl2eHDWiIdZSr6sFwfqmSMHn80pfkhVwsKzvR8wEus8MNrK0zy2X0cm0ggO6W84ujAoY6IZmZ24jwAmK56C5MkYHJj49LM7ZkESkNABj+rKNgVTJT1+ilXXPHs+GYy2/77rSoAPcz1gWxzJf74y++5A= Received: by 10.100.253.12 with SMTP id a12mr7374669ani.1196196508805; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:48:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.248.16 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:48:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <539c60b90711271248o6eb0b9fw757e40fbcdfdb3c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:48:28 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "User Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 33a789bedb4d32aa Subject: how to compile and install a new driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevefranks@ieee.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:48:36 -0000 Hi, I found this thread http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-August/027445.html to a driver I need for my system. (1) The file extension (http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) is .diff, not .c, so what exactly do I do with it to compile it? (2) Assuming I can get it to compile, which I've never done, what do I do with the object/driver file? This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm told by google). I'll happily document the process if someone holds my hand. Oh, and as I'm a hardware engineer, I have at least 6 working (tested with win32 boxes) examples of the actual part to test with - I'll know if the driver is functional immediately. Google found no mention of it, other than the given sites, so I assume it's not being incorporated into 7-release. Thanks, Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 21:01:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD17F16A46E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BFF13C461 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from w2003s01.double-l.local (dpm.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lARL1BPw059486 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:01:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:00:47 +0100 Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB01118D@w2003s01.double-l.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server Thread-Index: AcgxMwal0/xIzAC3SYO/LqGpJ3gwLQABY6bN References: <3120c9e30711270757s649af28bj8d695cf7ccc2a1a3@mail.gmail.com> <474C7B7E.5040805@foster.cc> From: "Johan Hendriks" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:01:13 -0000 You can also edit the file /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dansquardian and add = squid to the require line like so =20 # PROVIDE: dansguardian # REQUIRE: NETWORKING SERVERS squid # KEYWORD: shutdown that should start squid before dansquardian. at least in my case it does =20 regards, Johan Hendriks ________________________________ Van: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org namens Mark D. Foster Verzonden: di 27-11-2007 21:18 Aan: ???? CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Onderwerp: Re: dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server ???? wrote: > Hello > I installed dansguardian , gave it's entry in my /etc/rc.conf > squid_enable=3D"YES" > dansguardian_enable=3D"YES" > > I am getting error at the boot time dansguardian couldn't connected to > parent proxy. Whereas squid starts without error. > I am running squid over port 3121 and dansguardian on port 8080. > > After logging in and giving command "dansguardian" it starts without = any error. > =20 Had a similar problem with dansguardian & tinyproxy, they start in the wrong order. So... rename /usr/local/etc/rc.d/squid.sh to 01_squid.sh rename /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dansguardian.sh to 02_dansguardian.sh You might need to add "sleep 5" into 02_dansguardian.sh to give squid.sh time to finish starting up. -- Said one park ranger, 'There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.' Mark D. Foster, CISSP http://mark.foster.cc/ _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 21:03:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F26D16A468 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org (cpc5-cmbg1-0-0-cust497.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.6.1.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F05E13C4E9 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id CD1346108; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C9060E2 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from danielby@localhost) by torus.slightlystrange.org (8.14.2/8.13.4/Submit) id lARL3Sxe003343 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:28 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:27 +0000 From: Daniel Bye To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071127210327.GB1042@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3120c9e30711270757s649af28bj8d695cf7ccc2a1a3@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/NkBOFFp2J2Af1nK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3120c9e30711270757s649af28bj8d695cf7ccc2a1a3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A Subject: Re: dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:31 -0000 --/NkBOFFp2J2Af1nK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 09:27:02PM +0530, ???????????? wrote: > Hello > I installed dansguardian , gave it's entry in my /etc/rc.conf > squid_enable=3D"YES" > dansguardian_enable=3D"YES" >=20 > I am getting error at the boot time dansguardian couldn't connected to > parent proxy. Whereas squid starts without error. > I am running squid over port 3121 and dansguardian on port 8080. >=20 > After logging in and giving command "dansguardian" it starts without any = error. It sounds as though they're either starting in the wrong order, or=20 dansguardian is starting before squid has had a chance to settle. You can check what order they're starting in by doing # rcorder /etc/rc.d* /usr/local/etc/rc.d/* and looking through the output for squid and dansguardian. Squid should appear earlier in the list. If they are starting in the correct order, try turning on squid's debugging to see why it is taking so long to=20 start. If they're starting in the wrong order, you can either rename the control scripts as Mark suggested, or you can utilise the rcorder(8) mechanism. In the squid control script, you should have this block near the top: # PROVIDE: squid # REQUIRE: LOGIN # KEYWORD: shutdown And in the dansguardian control script, you should have this: # PROVIDE: dansguardian # REQUIRE: NETWORKING SERVERS squid # KEYWORD: shutdown > Plus in linux I have /etc/rc.local configuration file which i use to > run special commands after my linux boots, > How to do the same with FreeBSD. You can create /etc/rc.local if you want, and it will run at the right time. However, it is lightly deprecated these days in favour of=20 /usr/local/etc/rc.d, as used by the ports. For each custom startup job you want to run at boot time, create an rcorder(8) style script in=20 /usr/local/etc/rc.d. rcorder(8) gives you great flexibility over the start order. Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --/NkBOFFp2J2Af1nK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHTIYfixf5fBYiFmoRAu+yAJ9cm+m9jtTVVdvIfcIii6ugFvpqPwCfXVgT dTvjFUGXqMWDtQvoEyOVJ1k= =DNb3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/NkBOFFp2J2Af1nK-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 21:05:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F7D16A469 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:05:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob_27_preston@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87A2F13C43E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob_27_preston@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 35732 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 20:39:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EG94sYatbqh7L7LzefIaAn7iQdQFEm5M6VGS/ckMjPNxfwwLJ4NOpIroq+uoNbtHrjeqeYqEnD5ZQ2LV9bK5lcwrxLltjFt0xmgllIYrfXQW+VNPbURIPFDPTlCkupQvQ6Ycs9QZem6YAm7MgOlZkOkkr7Ubg2a3NkS0nxSk/uU=; X-YMail-OSG: Aqq2OSQVM1lX7sG27JK.6tYG07oh84JWdm3kq2tR978IFjKLRLjf88WRSB3vCNn6UEntvehCL0Y1xTxr7.ExSfVV9SwfC2pbLVaxb9qMuoR99DM31SwM9kXazac- Received: from [83.67.67.49] by web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:39:07 GMT Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:39:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Davison To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4866.35686.qm@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:13:00 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: PHP5 Gzip support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:05:51 -0000 Can someone please explain how I install gzip support into a running version of PHP5 ? --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 21:22:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3349916A420 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:22:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDA713C45A; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474C8AA0.7090701@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:22:40 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Poland References: <62327.208.49.58.254.1196108813.squirrel@email.polands.org> <19181.208.49.58.254.1196111022.squirrel@email.polands.org> <21304.208.49.58.254.1196173362.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <21304.208.49.58.254.1196173362.squirrel@email.polands.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:22:31 -0000 Doug Poland wrote: > On Mon, November 26, 2007 15:03, Doug Poland wrote: >> On Mon, November 26, 2007 14:26, Doug Poland wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly >>> after starting X11. I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup >>> of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems. >>> >>> Unforunately, something's still broke. At first, when I tried to >>> access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to: >>> >>> mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp >>> panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc >>> cpuid = 0 >>> Uptime: 9s >>> Physical memory: 3435 MB >>> Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. >>> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 >>> >>> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** >>> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort >>> >>> >>> After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't >>> really clean after several manual runs of fsck. So I disabled >>> softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems >>> again. After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem >>> again, this time getting a panic: >>> >>> panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch >>> cpuid = 1 >>> Uptime: 6m40s >>> Physical memory: 3435 MB >>> Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. >>> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 >>> >>> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** >>> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort >>> >>> Is there a way to identify and fix these errors? I'm thinking a >>> newfs of both /var and /tmp is in order. I don't really care >>> about /tmp, and I've backed up /var using dump(8). My concern is >>> if I restore /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my >>> broken files and have the same problem again. >>> >> Just a follow-up... Everytime I run a manual fsck on the problem >> filesystems, it returns: >> >> >> BLK(S) MISSING IN BITMAPS >> SALVAGE? >> >> ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** >> >> >> So it would appear that fsck is unable to repair damage, is that >> correct? >> > Well, having stumped all the experts, I decided to reinstall from > 7.0-BETA3 CD-ROM. After a few minutes of writing to the disk after > newfs, I got more panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch errors. Since > the device I'm writing to is a 3-day old Maxtor OneTouch III external > HD, I've decided it must be a hardware failure and am returing the > drive. > > Yes, for whatever reason FreeBSD is unable to reliably perform I/O to the drive (hence the errors dumping). Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:06:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B912916A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) Received: from ms05.mailstreet2003.net (ms05.mailstreet2003.net [69.25.50.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B8113C458 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:08:43 -0500 Message-ID: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220F7C6FC3@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> In-Reply-To: <4866.35686.qm@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PHP5 Gzip support Thread-Index: AcgxOlyHknyAcZsKTOmD99PbT3q86QABrKDA References: <4866.35686.qm@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Haulmark" To: "Robert Davison" , Cc: Subject: RE: PHP5 Gzip support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:06:18 -0000 Hello Robert: >=20 > Can someone please explain how I install gzip support into a running > version of PHP5 ? >=20 gzip is enabled by default for encoding. Did you mean bzip? When you are installing php5 extensions on FreeBSD systems from the ports tree, normally you would install the the lang/php5-extensions port. You will be prompted with a config menu. In your situation, you can choose bzip and get that installed. If you want to add any other extensions after doing the install, you can use make config to bring that menu back up and then do the reinstall. Chris > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:10:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2807616A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B4D13C4E8 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: (qmail 11996 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 22:10:08 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 27 Nov 2007 22:10:07 -0000 Message-ID: <474C9560.3010203@chuckr.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:08:32 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071107 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Kinsey References: <474AD605.7060300@goodforbusiness.co.uk> <474BBAC2.2070904@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <474BBAC2.2070904@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Dominic Marks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:10:09 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Dominic Marks wrote: >> List, >> >> Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing >> (OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently? >> I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain >> the last time I looked at it. >> >> If you are using this for "real-work" and you are getting good results >> please let me know what you are using (software and hardware ideally). >> >> The environment I would like to put this into is a family house, very >> small >> setup with 2 PCs and 2 printers. Currently both are Windows PCs but >> one is experiencing all of the classic issues with a multi-year Windows >> installation and since they are used exclusively for E-Mail and word >> processing I am interested in migrating one PC over to FreeBSD. >> >> .. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I would >> also be interested. >> ... I am not a subscriber so please keep me CC'ed in the discussion. > Well, I would give you two items, perhaps you could help me as well. First, as soon as I get my FreeBSD box completely configured with all the tools I now have on my older Gentoo box, I will be retiring the Linux box, along with the nicely operating CUPS installation. That's soon but not now, I am too terribly into 3 other projects. The other point is, I didn't find (on Linux) a setting for the Ascii print util I like (a2ps, ajnd please don't try to sell me on yours, I like a2ps) to print the correct size for HP Deskjets to use. So, before I had FreeBSD back, I experimented, and found the ideal settings to get Gentoo's a2ps to print for me. Well, FreeBSD *does* have a "a2ps-letterdj) to set a default a2ps for letterdj printers, but it seems to work very badly for me. I wanted to find anyone who runs an HP Inkjet printer (apparently either their DeskJet or OfficeJet) AND a2ps, so I could ask them to try my changes to /usr/local/etc/a2ps.cfg, to see if it works for their printer as well as it does for mine, so I could feel safe to inflict this on other folks. I got no replies. Would you possibly be able to do this? The HP InkJet printers have a slightly larger set of edge margins than a Laser printer has, and that causes a2ps to clip off the right hand edge of pages. I wasted a large number of pages, doing a binary search type algorithm to locate the best settings for my printer, an old 7130. You can still buy them on EBay, and as an honest recommendation, you would be really, really well served to buy one or two right away while they're still there, because HP got "marketing-smart" and cut the capabilities of their more recent "AIO" line of "All-In-One" type machines. > My situation sounds somewhat similar to yours; wifey has a Winbox > in the house, and I print through it to an HP 6100 Multifunction > machine using apsfilter via SMB/samba. IIRC, apsfilter thinks the > machine is an "HP920" and uses the HP-provided 'hpijs' driver and > GNU ghostscript. I sure can say, that (at least on FreeBSD) that I think that apsfilter was really the best well-supported printer support on FreeBSD, but I will be giving at least a real try on using CUPS, because it's better at networking. Right now, I print to my Linux box by saying: ssh (mylinuxhostname) lpr < (file to print) and that works great, sending any possible file type that CUPS recognizes, specifically including all ps, pdf, and graphics types. I'm very good at getting ssh to work without passwords, that's obviously a requirement, otherwise you'd have to go thru all the password runaround. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:10:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC25D16A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout4.cac.washington.edu (mxout4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C913813C4CC for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout4.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lARMAOa5013213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:10:24 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [128.208.7.160] (shiina.dyn.cs.washington.edu [128.208.7.160]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lARMANax022005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:10:23 -0800 In-Reply-To: <008001c83130$337d2590$530210ac@riodejaneiro> References: <474BE464.3010208@gmail.com><20071127173251.GC76551@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <003401c83124$b9c1ab00$530210ac@riodejaneiro> <008001c83130$337d2590$530210ac@riodejaneiro> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6F1CFBFB-CE98-48B9-B6D0-F7C719C8758E@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:07:09 -0800 To: Caio Figueiredo Abecia X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.11.27.133645 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='ECARD_KNOWN_DOMAINS 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __HAS_X_PRIORITY 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:10:25 -0000 On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Caio Figueiredo Abecia wrote: > Hey, > I'm new to bsd too. > Here's my contribution: :) > > To install NTFS-3G from ports: > First make sure you have the freebsd source code. > Then login as root. > > Go to: /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-ntfs > Then type: > #: make install clean > > To use it you have to load first the kernel module by typing: > #: kldload > Then mount the ntfs partition using: > > #: ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows > > That's it. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caio Figueiredo Abecia" > > To: "Jerry McAllister" ; > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) > > >> Hi, >> >> This week I have tested NTFS-3G in Freebsd (pc-bsd) with success. >> It's quite simple. >> >> I'm busy at the moment but I'll reply this e-mail more late with >> the step-by-step to make NTFS-3G works if you want. >> >> []'s >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry McAllister" >> >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:32 PM >> Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g) >> >> >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:24PM +0800, williamkow@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I am newbie of FreeBSD and I have been trying to learn other O/S >>>> and I >>>> have chosen OpenSUSE and using it for quite some time, would >>>> like to try >>>> others, example FreeBSD, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. Before anythings, >>>> I do >>>> some reading and found out that the read-only support for NTFS >>>> partition, see >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >>>> Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems (at >>>> the "Technical Information" section) >>>> >>>> However, the NTFS partition is still important for me with read/ >>>> write >>>> access by any new O/S, due to my main storage of my data files >>>> are in >>>> NTFS partition (external harddisk) that will then be connected >>>> to other >>>> computer (Microsoft Windows). Could you please advise me whether >>>> the >>>> ntfs-3g command can be (ported) used in BSDs for read-write >>>> access to >>>> NTFS. Thank you. >>> >>> Someone on the list claimed good success just yesterday or the >>> day before. >>> Check in the questions archive. So far, I have only used NTFS in >>> read only on FreeBSD, but if the ntfs-3g works it could be just what >>> you want. >>> >>> ////jerry Yes, I don't think that you should use the built in NTFS support because it generated a kernel panic on me a few times (reproducible issue when you tweak the FS to not use DOS compatible filenames, at least..). I just haven't had time to look into it further.. -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:11:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A957A16A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC42F13C4EC for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:11:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lARMBhBS009442; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:11:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DB1A9B8F8; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:11:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:11:42 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Steve Franks Message-ID: <20071127221142.GA64385@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Steve Franks , User Questions References: <539c60b90711271248o6eb0b9fw757e40fbcdfdb3c2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <539c60b90711271248o6eb0b9fw757e40fbcdfdb3c2@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: how to compile and install a new driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:11:45 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 01:48:28PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I found this thread > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-August/027445.html > to a driver I need for my system. >=20 > (1) The file extension > (http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) is .diff, not .c, so > what exactly do I do with it to compile it? First, use gunzip to extract it. This will leave a file ucp-0.01.diff. Next, su to root and cd to /usr/src/sys. To apply the patch, do 'patch (2) Assuming I can get it to compile, which I've never done, what do I > do with the object/driver file? The 'make kernel' command will install the module automagically. On the next boot, you should be able to load the ucp driver module with kldload(8).=20 =20 > This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for > several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm > told by google). I'll happily document the process if someone holds > my hand. If it works, submit a PR. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHTJYeEnfvsMMhpyURAkA+AJ0TGTBTai/3BILOc2uzG8+9V7WL7QCaAjEd 6ZRSthNN6IrFsKVbo1L8TzI= =wWbf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:15:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2772216A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:15:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B8C13C448 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: (qmail 7624 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 22:15:22 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 27 Nov 2007 22:15:22 -0000 Message-ID: <474C969A.5000605@chuckr.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:13:46 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071107 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:15:23 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>> Beastie's Law: >>> >>> Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website >>> using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically >>> wrong. >> Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. > > It doesen't matter. What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also > very subjective. However, Godwin's law works anyway. > Man, this leaves me confused as to how to respond. The notion of changing anything for the mere mention of political correctness is abhorrent, but OTOH, I do hate anything smelling of Naziism. And, finally, although I don't want to see changes in our web page done for PC, I really, really dislike the way our web pages are set up now, it's just so much harder to get thengs, so much more unpleasant, but I don't think I know enough about human-design to be able to give you a reasonable explanation of why I dislike our web page setup. I just do. Might that be a data point for you? I betcha a lot of others feel just exactly as I do. > Ted > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:29:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8DA16A419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168F713C447 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so504595ele for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:28:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=pNxB8QeZrrb0giuPoOsugSGIL9U+ZH2VGRNwRJUJ+6s=; b=UjmDzbusHtifcAzXbc+AJSPRzYXUHpkDDTyrumhqg98L0vnsA4C83WCU60NrCi37zeeBNxVaoj229Xe5n7bKWlMdMf+F5TQ4yBbjUFU5CKfFCiNmKJehJXs9zkIaqZZCbexsqxhcJizpHAN/gamFwdbnam/7MXkfifRA3ECp4MQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=TUPtogt/k/LwpmeWsOgn/9eFiWJTNZPb1EmNZFbZQ/cLeql+rlfAnw/1tN0qhx6yA/P5w5oSPgk3fLPVhrJ+2fPBagRBYWIy4mbITSlWHSmVPsZ3uT3xtQzHdoHLO4JsIRMkypqdFtcjK6sHAg5jAywMu90hLCYNMS94lslSSt4= Received: by 10.142.99.21 with SMTP id w21mr1287078wfb.1196202533397; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:28:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.194.10 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:28:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <539c60b90711271428m31a95a64na985e003e6dc0024@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:28:53 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "Steve Franks" , "User Questions" In-Reply-To: <20071127221142.GA64385@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <539c60b90711271248o6eb0b9fw757e40fbcdfdb3c2@mail.gmail.com> <20071127221142.GA64385@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b0685b3a429ead89 Cc: Subject: Re: how to compile and install a new driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevefranks@ieee.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:29:02 -0000 On Nov 27, 2007 3:11 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 01:48:28PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I found this thread > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-August/027445.html > > to a driver I need for my system. > > > > (1) The file extension > > (http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) is .diff, not .c, so > > what exactly do I do with it to compile it? > > First, use gunzip to extract it. This will leave a file ucp-0.01.diff. > Next, su to root and cd to /usr/src/sys. > To apply the patch, do 'patch > Note that the patch doesn't apply cleanly (/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs) > on 7.0-BETA2. If that's also the case on the version you're using, > you'll have to look at /usr/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs.orig and > /usr/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs.rej to fix it manually. I'm on 6.2 at the moment. > > Next, build and install a kernel according to the handbook. ('make > kernel' in /usr/src) > > > (2) Assuming I can get it to compile, which I've never done, what do I > > do with the object/driver file? > > The 'make kernel' command will install the module automagically. > On the next boot, you should be able to load the ucp driver module with > kldload(8). > So is the kernel the collection of all .ko modules then? I always thought it was some monolithic binary somewhere. If not, is it possible to build just usbdevs alone? I'm a little skittish about fubaring the kernel on my family's main server. My name will be mud if I bring it down for a significant period, and it's my only BSD box at the moment - our data is backed up, but I don't have a tape drive I can just pull / and /usr off in 5 minutes if I kill it. I know this is not relavant to the discussion, but my point is, I don't know enough to know what's relatively safe and what isn't. > > This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for > > several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm > > told by google). I'll happily document the process if someone holds > > my hand. > > If it works, submit a PR. A url/handbook page for that, perhaps? I understand the concept of a PR, but not fbsd's specific system (or where to find it). > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:30:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9919116A469 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:30:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Received: from smtp.bayou.com (smtp.bayou.com [209.209.192.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6658313C447 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:30:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Received: from bayoucshaffer (firewall.bayou.com [209.209.192.219]) by smtp.bayou.com (8.12.8/8.12.6) with SMTP id lARLw8kZ051139 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:58:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Message-ID: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> From: "Mark Evans" To: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:53:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 209.209.192.40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:30:56 -0000 I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. When I run "ls -l" it takes forever for = the it to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses about 98% of = the CPU doing the time. If I run "ls" I do not experience any problem. = anyone have any ideas? Thanks Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:33:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7EF16A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:33:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D307C13C467 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:33:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lARMXtBP027266; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lARMXt5O027263; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:33:55 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Steve Franks In-Reply-To: <539c60b90711271248o6eb0b9fw757e40fbcdfdb3c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071127151259.H27150@wonkity.com> References: <539c60b90711271248o6eb0b9fw757e40fbcdfdb3c2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:33:55 -0700 (MST) Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: how to compile and install a new driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:33:57 -0000 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Steve Franks wrote: > I found this thread > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-August/027445.html > to a driver I need for my system. > > (1) The file extension > (http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) is .diff, not .c, so > what exactly do I do with it to compile it? It's a file produced by diff(1), which shows the differences between files. Normally, the difference is between the old files and what someone has changed or added. Also called a patch file, since you use patch(1) to apply it. patch(1) goes through the diff file and makes all the changes shown. In this case, the diff file has changes to several files. Looks like it applies to /usr/src/sys. After untarring the file, and as root: # cd /usr/src/sys # patch < ucp-0.01.diff *If* the patch applies successfully, then you can compile. Easiest would probably be to just rebuild the kernel. Slow, but you know it'll get everything. > (2) Assuming I can get it to compile, which I've never done, what do I > do with the object/driver file? Probably like other ucom(4) devices: kldload ucp and then access the serial port through /dev/cuaU0. > This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for > several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm > told by google). I'll happily document the process if someone holds > my hand. That is a good case for a PR. Particularly when you've got a patch, at least as a starting point. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:36:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CDF16A469 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4511A13C448 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ix924-00055I-2F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:35:56 +0000 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with SMTP id lARMZt1a008417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:35:55 GMT Received: (qmail 54241 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Nov 2007 22:35:50 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:35:50 +0000 To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20071127223550.GA54215@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> <474C69D4.5050804@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474C69D4.5050804@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:35:56 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Andy Greenwood , Aryeh Friedman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:36:00 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:02:44PM +0100, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > Andy Greenwood wrote: > >Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >>Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR > >>for: > >> > >>make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel > >>seg faulting > >> > > > >I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, > >that it might break something. Is that not true? > > Not true for many years. > >From /usr/src/UPDATING: "Avoid using make -j when upgrading. From time to time in the past there have been problems using -j with buildworld and/or installworld. This is especially true when upgrading between "distant" versions (eg one that cross a major release boundary or several minor releases, or when several months have passed on the -current branch)" Should this be changed then? -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:38:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1F416A46C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:38:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED6213C4E3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:38:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lARMcDWB027284; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:38:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lARMcDSC027281; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:38:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:38:13 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Steve Franks In-Reply-To: <20071127151259.H27150@wonkity.com> Message-ID: <20071127153624.D27150@wonkity.com> References: <539c60b90711271248o6eb0b9fw757e40fbcdfdb3c2@mail.gmail.com> <20071127151259.H27150@wonkity.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:38:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: how to compile and install a new driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:38:14 -0000 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Steve Franks wrote: >> (http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) > > Looks like it applies to /usr/src/sys. After untarring the file, Err... read what I meant to say, not what I actually said... In my defense, I was still surprised that Firefox showed me the contents of a gzip file. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:39:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EE316A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wshafer@relivinc.com) Received: from mail.relivinc.com (webmail2.relivinc.com [208.254.164.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B640413C459 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wshafer@relivinc.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:27:40 -0600 Message-ID: <6B70E132408F604CB2FD25BCC6A502B58826F4@relivexch.relivinc.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Finding and installing new locale Thread-Index: AcgxRLhUcn1b35CiRLCRaL2cxkK2GQ== From: "Westin Shafer" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Finding and installing new locale X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:40:00 -0000 Hello everyone, =20 I am having a hard time locating a Locale for Indonesia on our installation of FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. The locale definition id_ID.(whatever) is missing. Does it exist, and if so how can I get this and install it? I have spent countless hours searching the net for this language definition but was unsuccessful at locating it. All I found was that this should have been installed by default, but ours of course is missing or the documentation is incorrect. =20 Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can get this installed on our server. =20 Thanks Westin Shafer =20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:45:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B7D16A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:45:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3C813C459 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:45:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lARMitEK031045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:44:56 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [128.208.7.160] (shiina.dyn.cs.washington.edu [128.208.7.160]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lARMitbd028710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:44:55 -0800 In-Reply-To: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:41:40 -0800 To: "Mark Evans" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.11.27.141248 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='BODY_SIZE_400_499 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __HAS_X_PRIORITY 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:45:20 -0000 On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Mark Evans wrote: > I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. When I run "ls -l" it takes forever > for the it to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses > about 98% of the CPU doing the time. If I run "ls" I do not > experience any problem. anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks > Mark That's incredibly strange because ls is a simple program... Could you attach gdb to ls and find out where it's eating up all of your CPU time? -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:54:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521F416A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from numail.brianwhalen.net (dsl093-034-172.snd1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.34.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCC113C458 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:54:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 88D0A114E5; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860C8114E3; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:35:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:35:23 -0800 (PST) From: Brian To: Mark Evans In-Reply-To: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> Message-ID: <20071127143417.R1137@numail.brianwhalen.net> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:54:24 -0000 Is a partition close to full, use df to see that. Is ls -l aliased to something else that is digging into your directory tree, like when you're in /usr and type du? brian On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Mark Evans wrote: > I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. When I run "ls -l" it takes forever for the it to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses about 98% of the CPU doing the time. If I run "ls" I do not experience any problem. anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks > Mark > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 23:11:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C517016A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C5413C4CC; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474CA443.4010309@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:12:03 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Shute References: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> <474C69D4.5050804@FreeBSD.org> <20071127223550.GA54215@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20071127223550.GA54215@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Andy Greenwood , Aryeh Friedman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:11:54 -0000 Frank Shute wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:02:44PM +0100, Kris Kennaway wrote: >> Andy Greenwood wrote: >>> Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>>> Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR >>>> for: >>>> >>>> make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel >>>> seg faulting >>>> >>> I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, >>> that it might break something. Is that not true? >> Not true for many years. >> > >>From /usr/src/UPDATING: > > "Avoid using make -j when upgrading. From time to time in the > past there have been problems using -j with buildworld and/or > installworld. This is especially true when upgrading between > "distant" versions (eg one that cross a major release boundary > or several minor releases, or when several months have passed > on the -current branch)" > > Should this be changed then? Maybe. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 23:12:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2934316A421 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA63113C455 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:12:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lARNCfvK034577; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:12:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2ZeIsbYLB314; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:12:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lARNCXqb034573; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:12:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <474CA45C.7000107@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:12:28 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070418 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Westin Shafer References: <6B70E132408F604CB2FD25BCC6A502B58826F4@relivexch.relivinc.com> In-Reply-To: <6B70E132408F604CB2FD25BCC6A502B58826F4@relivexch.relivinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Finding and installing new locale X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:12:43 -0000 Westin Shafer wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am having a hard time locating a Locale for Indonesia on our > installation of FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. The locale definition > id_ID.(whatever) is missing. Does it exist, and if so how can I get > this and install it? I have spent countless hours searching the net for > this language definition but was unsuccessful at locating it. All I > found was that this should have been installed by default, but ours of > course is missing or the documentation is incorrect. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can get this installed > on our server. > > Thanks > > Westin Shafer Well, I guess you saw this? http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/translations/id/other-formats/html/ID-Indonesian-HOWTO-3.html That not withstanding, what about makelocale(1) ? At the very least, you should be able to set some stuff up with that. KDK -- And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 23:13:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1356516A46B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:13:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C73313C4CC; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:13:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:13:33 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Evans References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> In-Reply-To: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:13:24 -0000 Mark Evans wrote: > I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. When I run "ls -l" it takes forever for the it to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses about 98% of the CPU doing the time. If I run "ls" I do not experience any problem. anyone have any ideas? Are you using NIS for user/group lookups? Is it a large directory that is taking a long time to sort? Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 23:15:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A85916A468 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:15:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.bluestop.org (muon.bluestop.org [IPv6:2001:41c8:1:548a::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2BF13C4DB for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.draftnet (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:1::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.bluestop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0A8C4001; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:14:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <474CA4E7.9060401@cran.org.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:14:47 +0000 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pieter de Goeje References: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> <200711271657.00637.pieter@degoeje.nl> In-Reply-To: <200711271657.00637.pieter@degoeje.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Andy Greenwood , Aryeh Friedman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:15:00 -0000 Pieter de Goeje wrote: > On Tuesday 27 November 2007, Andy Greenwood wrote: >> Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>> Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR >>> for: >>> >>> make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel >>> seg faulting >> I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, >> that it might break something. Is that not true? > In my experience parallel kernel builds are fine. I think (wild guess) the OP > is running out of memory and somewhere in make or gcc the return value of > malloc() isn't checked. > > - > Pieter de Goeje I just tried this on my amd64 7.0-BETA3 system with 2GB RAM and swap was never touched but make still segfaulted during 'make -j1000 buildworld': [...] rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a [long list of files] echo libc.so.7: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libgcc.a >> .depend Segmentation fault (core dumped) *** Error code 139 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error > > gdb -core /usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc/make.core /usr/bin/make GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] [...] This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"... Core was generated by `make'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. #0 0x0000000000432067 in __vfprintf () (gdb) bt #0 0x0000000000432067 in __vfprintf () #1 0x0000000000435114 in vfprintf () #2 0x000000000042d676 in fprintf () #3 0x0000000000406305 in JobExec (job=0x80123f000, argv=0x7fffffffdb10) at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/job.c:1321 #4 0x000000000040702d in JobStart (gn=0x8006d9120, flags=Variable "flags" is not available. ) at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/job.c:1843 #5 0x000000000040b14c in MakeStartJobs () at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.c:621 #6 0x000000000040b34c in Make_Run (targs=0x7fffffffe7f0) at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.c:793 #7 0x000000000040a081 in main (argc=0, argv=0x0) at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/main.c:1273 -- Bruce From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 23:24:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7686616A46D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wshafer@relivinc.com) Received: from mail.relivinc.com (webmail2.relivinc.com [208.254.164.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468C913C468 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:24:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wshafer@relivinc.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:24:47 -0600 Message-ID: <6B70E132408F604CB2FD25BCC6A502B588270E@relivexch.relivinc.com> In-Reply-To: <474CA45C.7000107@daleco.biz> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Finding and installing new locale Thread-Index: AcgxSwdM4u/Nog6ERjqM4+B4BLrpyQAAVj3Q From: "Westin Shafer" To: "Kevin Kinsey" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Finding and installing new locale X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:24:49 -0000 Kevin, Thanks for the info. I had not seen that doc. However localedef and makelocale are not valid commands. I also checked out the port tree and these tools are not located there either. Are these Linux specific commands? Westin -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Kinsey [mailto:kdk@daleco.biz]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:12 PM To: Westin Shafer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Finding and installing new locale Westin Shafer wrote: > Hello everyone, >=20 > I am having a hard time locating a Locale for Indonesia on our > installation of FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. The locale definition > id_ID.(whatever) is missing. Does it exist, and if so how can I get > this and install it? I have spent countless hours searching the net for > this language definition but was unsuccessful at locating it. All I > found was that this should have been installed by default, but ours of > course is missing or the documentation is incorrect. >=20 > Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can get this installed > on our server. >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Westin Shafer Well, I guess you saw this? =20 http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/translations/id/other-format s/html/ID-Indonesian-HOWTO-3.html That not withstanding, what about makelocale(1) ? At the very least, you should be able to set some stuff up with that. KDK --=20 And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 23:31:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E16E16A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:31:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2A413C459 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:31:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: (qmail 31849 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 23:31:40 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 27 Nov 2007 23:31:40 -0000 Message-ID: <474CA85D.6080501@chuckr.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:29:33 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071107 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <539c60b90711271248o6eb0b9fw757e40fbcdfdb3c2@mail.gmail.com> <20071127151259.H27150@wonkity.com> In-Reply-To: <20071127151259.H27150@wonkity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Steve Franks , User Questions Subject: Re: how to compile and install a new driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:31:41 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Steve Franks wrote: > >> I found this thread >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-August/027445.html >> to a driver I need for my system. >> >> (1) The file extension >> (http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) is .diff, not .c, so >> what exactly do I do with it to compile it? > > It's a file produced by diff(1), which shows the differences between > files. Normally, the difference is between the old files and what > someone has changed or added. Also called a patch file, since you use > patch(1) to apply it. patch(1) goes through the diff file and makes all > the changes shown. > Nice description, but you'd better include enough info so that they could make FreeBSD-stype diffs: diff has the unfortunate default of making an output that is compatible with ed(1). This supplies extremely little information to use, in case the file you're trying to patch with that diff has changed, and is also damned hard for mere humans to understand. There are two other options you can give to diff that change the format: -c gives "context" diffs, and -u gives "unified" diffs, and the -u is the option that is standard with FreeBSD. How you do this is to copy the file you intend to change BEFORE you edit the chantes in to "somefile.orig", and then, when you perform the diff, you must give the .orig file first, else you will produce a file that tries to remove the patch instead of applying the patch, like this: diff -u somefile.c.orig somefile.c >patchfile diffs have a standard header on them, and (although it seems that this isn't a FreeBSD standard) you can easily enter in freeform comments before your patch's header, describing the reasons for this patch to be applied (whatever condition this patch fixes). To tell you the truth, that idea of sticking comments at the top of patch files, I got from the crosscompiler site, and it's a great idea, it's how they set up their patches, and we should use it. > In this case, the diff file has changes to several files. > > Looks like it applies to /usr/src/sys. After untarring the file, and as > root: > > # cd /usr/src/sys > # patch < ucp-0.01.diff > > *If* the patch applies successfully, then you can compile. Easiest > would probably be to just rebuild the kernel. Slow, but you know it'll > get everything. > >> (2) Assuming I can get it to compile, which I've never done, what do I >> do with the object/driver file? > > Probably like other ucom(4) devices: > > kldload ucp > > and then access the serial port through /dev/cuaU0. > >> This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for >> several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm >> told by google). I'll happily document the process if someone holds >> my hand. > > That is a good case for a PR. Particularly when you've got a patch, at > least as a starting point. > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 23:49:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC66016A421 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF3A13C4DB for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lARNnT0h058515; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:49:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3878FB8F8; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:49:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:49:29 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Steve Franks Message-ID: <20071127234929.GA66703@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Steve Franks , User Questions References: <539c60b90711271248o6eb0b9fw757e40fbcdfdb3c2@mail.gmail.com> <20071127221142.GA64385@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <539c60b90711271428m31a95a64na985e003e6dc0024@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J/dobhs11T7y2rNN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <539c60b90711271428m31a95a64na985e003e6dc0024@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: how to compile and install a new driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:49:31 -0000 --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 03:28:53PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote: > > The 'make kernel' command will install the module automagically. > > On the next boot, you should be able to load the ucp driver module with > > kldload(8). > > >=20 > So is the kernel the collection of all .ko modules then?=20 A lot (but not all) of the device drivers and sybsystems are available as modules. If you look into the example kernel configuration files (GENERIC, NOTES), everything that starts with 'options' has to be compiled into the kernel. Lines starting with 'device' in GENERIC are built into the kernel. All other drivers are by default available as modules. (but you can disable them from building, if you want) > I always > thought it was some monolithic binary somewhere.=20 That depends on your definition of monolithic. The FreeBSD kernel is modular but not a microkernel. > If not, is it > possible to build just usbdevs alone? Yes, it should be possible. But I've never done it. It is not advised to build stuff in the source tree. The 'make kernel' process builds a shadow tree for the object files under /usr/obj, but I don't know how to do that for a single module. > I'm a little skittish about fubaring the kernel on my family's main > server.=20 Well, if you're using the GENERIC kernel now, and you build a new GENERIC kernel, it should Just Work. Life can get interesting when you start building your own kernel config. :-) But when I switched from 6-STABLE to 7-BETA, I got decent warnings to adapt my kernel config instead of a broken kernel, so that's ok. And FYI, the previous kernel is saved in /boot/kernel.old/kernel. So you can always boot that. > My name will be mud if I bring it down for a significant > period, and it's my only BSD box at the moment - our data is backed > up, but I don't have a tape drive I can just pull / and /usr off in 5 > minutes if I kill it.=20 First and foremost: get level 0 dumps of all important partitions before you start your adventure! I cannot stress this enough! USB external harddisks are great for that purpose.=20 > I know this is not relavant to the discussion, > but my point is, I don't know enough to know what's relatively safe > and what isn't. Read the Handbook and /usr/src/UPDATING. Ask around here if there's something you don't get. > > > This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for > > > several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm > > > told by google). I'll happily document the process if someone holds > > > my hand. > > > > If it works, submit a PR. >=20 > A url/handbook page for that, perhaps? I understand the concept of a > PR, but not fbsd's specific system (or where to find it). man send-pr =20 Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQFHTK0JEnfvsMMhpyURAiGaAJ94AzglE5STOkNTmP7Di6gp2IhjGgCXWiKp B2nXQYzmN8jKVY4WzNPNfA== =CmvA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 00:14:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F361116A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCF0013C455 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: (qmail 90609 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 00:14:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=gVa4br5ZzEkHqMfRL5H4JMZ8/K+5EMHcit9ap/VfuoYTdYj9Ir6krex+4rbXC01WEWDd7O1zQXzhCZ0H2b+pXi49r9i7SZkl9i8Nw3eck6fOqHKVrWQ462iIgcNNnBJ9eCHb2b4UHYvaUKvNMXpQwgaxdKLVXL5VqQU2ocZYoyU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.7.236.228?) (jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 00:14:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bqONZWEVM1mjP2AwnbjxsSd0M9t0iAvhgSmB2i.H0um1iJ9iLxdZS6luwcT5x.5g1dBiIhbmsg-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20071127055051.726E.GERARD@seibercom.net> References: <20071126055614.5FD1.GERARD@seibercom.net> <2854bfb4a1bd36877e398b36f610daf5@prodigy.net> <20071127055051.726E.GERARD@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jekillen Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:15:12 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Subject: Re: short Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:14:14 -0000 On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:50 AM, Gerard Seibert wrote: >> On November 26, 2007 at 07:53PM jekillen wrote: > >>> Did you install this from ports? If so. the script would have been >>> placed >>> there all ready. >> Yes, that is what provoked the original question. I had built and >> installed >> from source tarball in the past. But one machine was always a problem. >> Once I did install from ports I was lacking info. The startup script >> was not >> in /etc/rc.d (although I have subsequently got into on >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d) > > That is where it belongs! > >> I had followed instructions from MySQL documentation and put the >> script >> they supplied in /etc/rc.d; mysql.server, but for some reason the >> script >> did not actually start MyQSL. But the systems seems to look for some >> thing with mysql in the name and runs it if it is in /etc/rc.d. That >> is >> how >> I figured out what to do. (or maybe the system will try to run >> anything >> that is in /etc/rc.d if there is a corresponding enable line in >> rc.conf >> it >> understands). The academic question is, is the program that runs the >> startup routine, itself a script or is it a binary? >> Thanks > > If you are referring to the script in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d', it is > just a > plain script. You can edit it. No, I was referring to what ever runs the rc script. Is that init? ( could go back and look at Absolute BSD, and as a matter of fact I am awaiting delivery of the new edition as I write this. > > Is there a specific reason you installed from a tarball rather than > use the > ports system? I have always installed MySQL from ports without any > problems. Originally, I was in a hurry and was having trouble with ports. This approach had worked for three machines. But one I was having endless problems with. Meanwhile I got it together to get ports to work. But the port did not install a startup script for MySQL, at least in /etc/rc.d, > > Thank you for your response. Jeff K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 00:29:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485D216A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:29:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from numail.brianwhalen.net (dsl093-034-172.snd1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.34.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2899613C458 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:29:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7967B114E3; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E896114E1; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:04 -0800 (PST) From: Brian To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <474CA4E7.9060401@cran.org.uk> Message-ID: <20071127161036.L1233@numail.brianwhalen.net> References: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> <200711271657.00637.pieter@degoeje.nl> <474CA4E7.9060401@cran.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Pieter de Goeje , Andy Greenwood , Aryeh Friedman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:29:24 -0000 Isn't 1000 an unrealistically high value? Brian On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Bruce Cran wrote: > Pieter de Goeje wrote: >> On Tuesday 27 November 2007, Andy Greenwood wrote: >>> Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>>> Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR >>>> for: >>>> >>>> make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel >>>> seg faulting >>> I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, >>> that it might break something. Is that not true? >> In my experience parallel kernel builds are fine. I think (wild guess) the >> OP is running out of memory and somewhere in make or gcc the return value >> of malloc() isn't checked. >> >> - >> Pieter de Goeje > > I just tried this on my amd64 7.0-BETA3 system with 2GB RAM and swap was > never touched but make still segfaulted during 'make -j1000 buildworld': > > [...] > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a [long list of files] > echo libc.so.7: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libgcc.a >> .depend > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > *** Error code 139 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error >> >> gdb -core /usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc/make.core /usr/bin/make > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > [...] > This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"... > Core was generated by `make'. > Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. > #0 0x0000000000432067 in __vfprintf () > (gdb) bt > #0 0x0000000000432067 in __vfprintf () > #1 0x0000000000435114 in vfprintf () > #2 0x000000000042d676 in fprintf () > #3 0x0000000000406305 in JobExec (job=0x80123f000, argv=0x7fffffffdb10) > at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/job.c:1321 > #4 0x000000000040702d in JobStart (gn=0x8006d9120, flags=Variable "flags" is > not available. > ) > at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/job.c:1843 > #5 0x000000000040b14c in MakeStartJobs () at > /usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.c:621 > #6 0x000000000040b34c in Make_Run (targs=0x7fffffffe7f0) > at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.c:793 > #7 0x000000000040a081 in main (argc=0, argv=0x0) > at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/main.c:1273 > > -- > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 00:30:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBD416A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:30:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from icantthinkofone@charter.net) Received: from mtao03.charter.net (mtao03.charter.net [209.225.8.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B696D13C4DD for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from icantthinkofone@charter.net) Received: from aarprv02.charter.net ([10.20.200.72]) by mtao03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071128003007.TMAA19023.mtao03.charter.net@aarprv02.charter.net>; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:30:07 -0500 Received: from robs-laptop.com ([71.85.241.27]) by aarprv02.charter.net with ESMTP id <20071128003007.YJZH495.aarprv02.charter.net@robs-laptop.com>; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:30:07 -0500 Message-ID: <474CB68F.7090709@charter.net> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:30:07 -0600 From: icantthinkofone User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070914) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <474C3D47.3010600@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474C3D47.3010600@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:30:11 -0000 Andy Greenwood wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Aryeh M. Friedman [mailto:aryeh.friedman@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:20 PM >>> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >>> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; FreeBSD chat >>> Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law >>> >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>> >>>> Beastie's Law: >>>> >>>> Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website >>>> using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically >>>> wrong. >>>> >>> Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. >>> >> >> It doesen't matter. What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also >> very subjective. However, Godwin's law works anyway. >> > > According to wikipedia (I am aware this isn't a real source) Godwin's > law is defined thusly. > > As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison > involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. > > The law isn't subjective at all. It specifically requires the > comparison of one of the points or platforms to those of Nazis or > Hitler himself. The comparison itself could be as oblique or > subjective as you want, but the fact is that it must DIRECTLY involve > Nazis or Hitler. > > However, I don't agree that the proposed Beastie's Law is subjective > either. It states that the person making the demands is using > political incorrectness as one of their points as to why the change > should be made. Whether or not everyone will agree on the political > (in)correctness of the proposed change is irrelevant. >> Ted >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Lose is spelled L-O-S-E. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 03:19:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4E616A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7944A13C455 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAS3JrpN008066; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:19:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Jerahmy Pocott" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:21:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <219A86D3-597D-4369-A0DA-5D1F14D80D43@optusnet.com.au> Importance: Normal Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:19:55 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerahmy Pocott [mailto:quakenet1@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:07 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT > > > > On 27/11/2007, at 5:49 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jerahmy Pocott [mailto:quakenet1@optusnet.com.au] > >> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:48 AM > >> To: Ted Mittelstaedt > >> Cc: FreeBSD Questions > >> Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT > >> > >> > >> Perhaps, but I'v heard a lot of good things about IPF and IPNAT, > >> especially since the nat is all in kernel where as natd is > >> userland, so > >> there is a slight performance boost possibly there as well.. > >> > > > > I will address this one point here since it's enough to make > > someone scream, it's such an old chestnut. > > > > natd is always criticized because going to userland is slow. So, > > people who have slowness problems think that is the issue. > > > > In reality, the problem is that the DEFAULT setup and man page > > examples for natd use the following ipfw divert rule: > > > > /sbin/ipfw -f flush > > /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via ed0 > > /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any > > > > This produces a rule such as the following: > > > > 00050 divert 8668 ip from any to any via de0 > > > > The problem though, is this is wrong. What it is doing is that > > ALL traffic that comes into and out of the box - no matter what > > the source and destination is - will be passed to the natd translator. > > > > What you SHOULD be using is a set of commands such: > > > > ipfw add divert natd ip from any to [outside IP address] in recv > > [outside > > interface] > > ipfw add divert natd ip from not [outside IP address] to any out recv > > [inside interface] xmit [outside interface] > > That does make a lot of sense! > > How ever the 2nd rule is slightly confusing me.. Shouldn't it be > something > like: divert natd ip from [internal net range] to any out via > [outside if]? > As I recall the "via" keyword was a later addition to ipfw, the way you wrote it is the same thing - the earlier form I used works on both old and new ipfw (not that it probably matters much nowadays) Use whichever is more clear to you - the gist of it is to use the ipfw rulesets to keep the traffic that doesen't need attention of natd, out of userland. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 03:37:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D1016A41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D521413C45D for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so3096881pyb for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:37:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YfKBdqqRViciwgLkoW9oYBVgI99BlP5wrMZPHa1gURM=; b=isAoPRAVXmwg2Ny+n6BZH4ueKR7m2e0eNA+d7yr2yBAXVUDWQtcBtSxYtsqai4xyL2j+L/QFTHBGqXZrDbTF+j7YXwgb3H259QtUZkFvehEJvfr6AsWVQjgkWuWmcoWo/NEDevQeeluzl5GiSZehVfepeC6oCDM8BlOr0dtcP7s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OAdyKPCMgAFNJtdYaCehnDuEaYW9uPEuDTsnA93aPvzQv+MqIdsilkIdyDC3SaQHuNV4WiwDa1456bR92dYwYuHa62uIII5fgGnMN+z3rE+ITtNmPJ2hRi0K3yyhk8j8zrDVYd76114D9NpOQdEFW6AjTHtewdYn2Ojl7omKwkQ= Received: by 10.65.239.14 with SMTP id q14mr7021207qbr.1196221035693; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm2691563qba.2007.11.27.19.37.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:37:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474CE269.4000608@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:37:13 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian References: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> <200711271657.00637.pieter@degoeje.nl> <474CA4E7.9060401@cran.org.uk> <20071127161036.L1233@numail.brianwhalen.net> In-Reply-To: <20071127161036.L1233@numail.brianwhalen.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bruce Cran , Pieter de Goeje , Andy Greenwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:37:18 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian wrote: > Isn't 1000 an unrealistically high value? > For the next few years maybe but with core counts going up I can easily see a 512 or 1024 core machine by say 2015.. i.e. Moore's law may not apply to single tasking chips any mores but it seems to be in full force for multi-core ones... this brings me to why I tried it in the first place I was exploring weither or not FreeBSD was ready for this kind of core count (specifically the idea of a multitasking OS scheduling by allocating one process per core for core counts greater then say 64)... I am in the process of considering the design requirements for a OS I plan to do from the ground up and like to know the limits of current ones. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTOJpJ9+1V27SttsRAhMCAJ902zwVIxCGecI2cAdIm2bywN383ACfU243 HMUWkzcO8hH87PecYBmkgLc= =5614 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 03:54:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45D816A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C99113C43E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 28so1534805hub for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:54:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GQnkpOW7n747aZisDaEtt3p/Pjhe/8bF53uKmpMv01M=; b=wg6s9iKE1waTPX8edtPYWf7z59PkfUUsqkxiBj1yHO8fptTHJNErR+eCtjZsXBnJ0IBpBzK7+1a9eUBT0mLIeqQY57UEB9LUmCNpfkpXCsPCKUTyyq3/kjT3NYSYA19/Ae1JVUnIjOGIJXEN7FiIg9CWrLgF2sF82pkTBiKSAyk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jEYd8L6eLljbEQqHyiLq60Z6kk+eVBITaEfG4pRZqDMARNk3NC1Jpz1DkfnOS4CqizcA3Me1LT4C3XfiRTo1oh6O8aBury/rXizr7xQ/8AjTzs0p7hxnegqfCF6EYGWsA98J+bTD2khjAKro9COacmlV0D6AqIxlwB45zBPZz50= Received: by 10.65.124.8 with SMTP id b8mr10296518qbn.1196222086274; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a29sm2761917qbd.2007.11.27.19.54.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:54:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474CE676.2000709@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:54:30 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <474CE455.6070603@gmail.com> <2072C94B-26F4-4ABA-8E09-A409006F052A@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <2072C94B-26F4-4ABA-8E09-A409006F052A@u.washington.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: idea bouncing: using cvs as a replacement for mergemaster X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:54:48 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Nov 27, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > I was thinking seeing the fact that I already have a cvs repo of > -current does it make sense to just use CVS to update /etc > instead of > mergemaster... if so any ideas on doing it cleanly? > > CVS sucks and I wouldn't wish that requirement on anyone for > their base system.. > There isn't a decent idiot-proof / foolproof system out there > for defeating merging issues... > -Garrett I was talking for myself only not anyone else - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTOZ2J9+1V27SttsRAj6NAJ9WGi/BakGPvcMiRLdyX90gS0hVgQCaAqrF E1x9CjYdxLf42XbF6vus1To= =2gb8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 06:01:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EAC16A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B653A13C442 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAS61ocu034936 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:01:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id lAS61obC034935 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:01:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:01:50 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20071128060150.GA34147@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. Cc: Subject: can anybody explain? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:01:59 -0000 Since my line went dead last Friday I've been having troubles simply building a new kernel. I cvsup'd RELENG_6_2 last time, rebuilt the kernel with KERNCONF=GENERIC and now with KERNCONF=TAO. My new /boot/kernel/kernel is > 7.4 megs and it *hangs* part way up. I've tried building with the new GENERIC and with TAO that has only two devices added. One is atapicam, the other is cpufreq (just now added). The old kernel is around 4 megs. My last try is RELENG_6. No diff. I've done this scores of times; this is the first time I have been this wedged in building the kernel. Can anybody give me some clues regarding what is (or *might* be) going on? The only suspicious thing I see at the start of the boot that hangs is the mention that "AUTOLOAD failed" ... gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 06:41:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4D116A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:41:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamkow@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D930A13C44B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:41:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamkow@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1764629waf for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:41:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m4xNrIu0jYQkML5arZEEvMyk0Oo0sH5F8SJu3N/ys/8=; b=TedvAlAvLzbQORnAFeLo4/ldVrP2S1mjOckNe+wh6YNs9wUzaxHXh1s37HVRPAk9H0H1alHeVS/jQ4St6lFRnMdK1lXf2b9fXOvlZ0b+wpc58FMwUnOHPWhZs1u1PalKyweSmYN0cYCX38SuqUg0Mf8ZsV9/47BhcCPA2QvV2xQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vE/oKQNY5tdGNgUhhg8S8dxLEN12T4cDhJg6VORfWvAU60YpzAKvOfY8RvOmQ8fmbyyD0h4O9tHsLOUbMmY8UTeQqwyw78WunMIEVhZ5Uv6cRdAGXocjnAzvXZ0Tcx60IHadtCfIHuTU0sl+8PtAEKQFe7RO8klRhf/d2SFnjxA= Received: by 10.114.156.1 with SMTP id d1mr873616wae.1196232071355; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.32.161.204? ( [203.92.154.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m40sm553102waf.2007.11.27.22.41.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:41:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474D0D79.1010407@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:40:57 +0800 From: williamkow User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:41:17 -0000 I have been trying to find a IRC/Chat network which has #FreeBSD channel (english), but could get one, although I have read the below links, but no help. http://www.freebsd.org/community/irc.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/support.html#IRC Can anybody provide me the address of IRC network. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 06:41:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCD316A46C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D518113C461 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:41:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 13459 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 00:41:54 -0600 Received: from 124-170-218-216.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO localhost) (124.170.218.216) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 00:41:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:41:44 +1100 From: Norberto Meijome To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071128174144.39886519@meijome.net> In-Reply-To: <20071128060150.GA34147@thought.org> References: <20071128060150.GA34147@thought.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: can anybody explain? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:41:55 -0000 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:01:50 -0800 Gary Kline wrote: > Since my line went dead last Friday I've been having troubles > simply building a new kernel. I cvsup'd RELENG_6_2 last time, > rebuilt the kernel with KERNCONF=GENERIC and now with > KERNCONF=TAO. My new /boot/kernel/kernel is > 7.4 megs and it > *hangs* part way up. I've tried building with the new GENERIC and > with TAO that has only two devices added. One is atapicam, the > other is cpufreq (just now added). The old kernel is around 4 > megs. My last try is RELENG_6. No diff. Hey Gary, - did u clean your /usr/obj - do you have a good source tree? when in doubt, wipe and re-get (or try a different csup mirror first...that sometimes makes the difference) B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 06:53:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7304116A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from office@inlibris.at) Received: from easyspace.acw.at (easyspace.acw.at [217.116.177.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C6313C465 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from office@inlibris.at) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by easyspace.acw.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C3835CDCE for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:31:24 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at easyspace.acw.at Received: from easyspace.acw.at ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (easyspace.acw.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JyrZ8DYOlqzh for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:31:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from 62.116.3.146 (unknown [62.116.3.146]) by easyspace.acw.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F78D35D243 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:23:58 +0100 (CET) From: "Inlibris" To: "questions" Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:22:24 +0100 Organization: Inlibris MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20071128062358.4F78D35D243@easyspace.acw.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Antique books and manuscripts, off to Dubai X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:53:27 -0000 Yesterday, a dozen heavy trunks with rare books, prints, and manuscripts from the 15th to 20th centuries left Vienna, Austria, for Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. 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Rathausstrasse 19 A-1010 Wien Tel.: (+43 1) 409 61 90 0 Fax: (+43 1) 409 61 90 9 www.inlibris.at office@inlibris.at From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 07:04:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A0E16A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan-bsd@trolocsis.com) Received: from zeus.kimaker.com (zeus.kimaker.com [64.62.244.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC39413C458 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan-bsd@trolocsis.com) Received: by zeus.kimaker.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 8D7F9758405; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:48:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:48:40 -0800 From: Ryan Phillips To: williamkow , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071128064840.GB56876@zeus.kimaker.com> Mail-Followup-To: williamkow , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <474D0D79.1010407@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474D0D79.1010407@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: Subject: Re: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:04:15 -0000 williamkow said: > I have been trying to find a IRC/Chat network which has #FreeBSD channel > (english), but could get one, although I have read the below links, but > no help. > > http://www.freebsd.org/community/irc.html > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/support.html#IRC > > Can anybody provide me the address of IRC network. Thanks. There is a good channel on Freenode, irc.freenode.net -Ryan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 07:08:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE2416A41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamkow@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DC113C448 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamkow@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1772459waf for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:08:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Qkpzwklq2/xVwPsn9jj09dI1UaP8Wl/u7L43up149RA=; b=lcc8n/HVPBWeOScGCIX9DKZkXRilg5gSDTDdB4z5mtc4GqneuRkpIZSU5ISLDDqjia1dwd8xNtFlTSzDk4ePecjU+KvsjP+5OSu/8sZEIrjNlNehE0frQ9X3avV8aOSugcrrHo/2JcrZ8qoSyas4njXuBr0cS7hM8mKsuMOU8T4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eROnXh85PeEgApZhWWI8jLw418dMkBaFjr2p+kHyqgnf073U1/DXEoDb66AdqPUXIyE+RZ91J31eZMFthWse1AhvRsjZVwKxerrwntH2LtUfLlFXxW2iq8XC/W/nUJnzHlV4vdsnMBcPtTuzHkJSlJo3PTUWzMK2Hvtg/pPBJCQ= Received: by 10.115.92.2 with SMTP id u2mr181353wal.1196233699244; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.32.161.204? ( [203.92.154.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l23sm545284waf.2007.11.27.23.08.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:08:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474D13D3.4070005@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:08:03 +0800 From: williamkow User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subhro Kar References: <474D0D79.1010407@gmail.com> <474D105F.3040807@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474D105F.3040807@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:08:20 -0000 I did tried the irc.freenode.net, however, I could not find a channel for #FreeBSDHelp or just #FreeBSD. The irc.freenode.net has #freebsd-fr, #freebsd.se, #freebsd-ru ....etc but all are not English-languase-based or not for general help for FreeBSD newbies. Please advise. Thank you. Subhro Kar wrote: > williamkow sat at his 'pewter and typed on 11/28/07 12:10: > > I have been trying to find a IRC/Chat network which has #FreeBSD channel > > (english), but could get one, although I have read the below links, but > > no help. > > > how about irc.freenode.net? > > Subhro > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 07:14:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B0916A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: from pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:d8:3::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C71513C447 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix, from userid 59) id 7DD533EE3; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:14:35 +0900 (KST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-48.6 required=15.1 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VERIFIED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (localhost.izb.knu.ac.kr [127.0.0.1]) by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAC03EE2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:14:33 +0900 (KST) Comment: DKIM? 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We understand your no is no. Nobody can force you or is trying to. We know about your friendship with Mr. Hoover, I may add, and my boss respects you for it. He respects that relationship very much." -- Tom Hagen, "Chapter 1", page 57 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 07:20:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE4816A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:20:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subhro.kar@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3068813C458 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:20:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subhro.kar@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so1786969uge for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:20:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U3srALqtSYmZoA3gpTnkF9plEE5aIXWSSCXqNx24rgU=; b=JwY4bJ0vU0SgblcoJ4CjQHW0z/XeUEyWUuVBWLE9B6IxUPwFJ71DSM9gpNaSYc5KMUC0srEPYRpe9hxiWbV+/7UkQKQDOgnT8rJJql9gGp4UCJ7mk4CaViE6mX+QUJdIwrQaRwagbOGuQLM6K2/OJRh4FQAJobh4wYGDlt75+bs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mrsP4LcUmrCRf+KOtgSv5RhuKMW2V8MSiS0cZNqx0x7ln2MvE7HTUyLaGcOypwLicnl+6WgaB6WSkMt7W1YuDok4fy0IXmeooe6MG93lz3FP0FGRajN0HPgJ8vT6hssFuDtXLSi2HDKhGEEMVwNf5X3L1cJaYOKoINizez3o8Hs= Received: by 10.66.236.13 with SMTP id j13mr439038ugh.1196232803838; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.66.70.243? 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User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071119) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: williamkow References: <474D0D79.1010407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474D0D79.1010407@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=84D66E44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:20:58 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 williamkow sat at his 'pewter and typed on 11/28/07 12:10: > I have been trying to find a IRC/Chat network which has #FreeBSD channel > (english), but could get one, although I have read the below links, but > no help. > how about irc.freenode.net? Subhro - -- ===================================== Subhro Kar Systems Engineer Yahoo! Inc. "Torrey Pines" Embassy Golf Links Business Park Off Koramangala - Challaghata Village Bangalore 560017 India Ph: +91-80-3077-3699 ===================================== _________________________________________ / A bird in the bush usually has a friend \ \ in there with him. / ----------------------------------------- \ ^__^ \ (@@)\_______ (__)\ )\/\ ||----w | || || -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHTRBfDA+HioTWbkQRAot+AKDM0mVU0rr7RKldPSl64ZKm9dnxYgCg59gy wXqqmmdPVTUl+cL4Knrr+w4= =AGWF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 07:23:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AB016A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@numail.brianwhalen.net) Received: from numail.brianwhalen.net (dsl093-034-172.snd1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.34.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4336C13C455 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@numail.brianwhalen.net) Received: by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 574BE114E5; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD45114E3; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:04:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: Brian To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-Reply-To: <474CE269.4000608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071127230252.L3826@numail.brianwhalen.net> References: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> <200711271657.00637.pieter@degoeje.nl> <474CA4E7.9060401@cran.org.uk> <20071127161036.L1233@numail.brianwhalen.net> <474CE269.4000608@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Bruce Cran , Pieter de Goeje , Andy Greenwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:23:35 -0000 There's a thread on the -stable list about 8 cores being an issue in a very specific case. I couldn't imagine setting j to something more than 2x or 3x at the most of your available cores. Brian On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Brian wrote: >> Isn't 1000 an unrealistically high value? >> > > For the next few years maybe but with core counts going up I can > easily see a 512 or 1024 core machine by say 2015.. i.e. Moore's law > may not apply to single tasking chips any mores but it seems to be in > full force for multi-core ones... this brings me to why I tried it in > the first place I was exploring weither or not FreeBSD was ready for > this kind of core count (specifically the idea of a multitasking OS > scheduling by allocating one process per core for core counts greater > then say 64)... I am in the process of considering the design > requirements for a OS I plan to do from the ground up and like to know > the limits of current ones. > > > - -- > Aryeh M. 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( [203.92.154.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f20sm6202053waf.2007.11.27.23.42.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:42:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474D1BD2.8070409@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:42:10 +0800 From: williamkow User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bh@izb.knu.ac.kr References: <474D0D79.1010407@gmail.com> <474D105F.3040807@gmail.com> <474D13D3.4070005@gmail.com> <1196234064.1238.2.camel@jihad.izb.knu.ac.kr> In-Reply-To: <1196234064.1238.2.camel@jihad.izb.knu.ac.kr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:42:26 -0000 *NickServ * You must register your nick with NickServ first *NickServ * Type: /msg NickServ REGISTER to register your nickname =-= YOU are now known as wwwkow *NickServ * This nickname is owned by someone else *NickServ * If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY >NickServ< IDENTIFY *NickServ * Password accepted - you are now recognized =-= User mode for wwwkow is now +e Do you mean I must registered a nickname first, before I can see a particular channel ? But I have registerred, (see above list), and still can not find a channel for #FreeBSD (english-based). Please advise. Thank you so much. __________________________________________________________ Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 15:08 +0800, williamkow wrote: > >> I did tried the irc.freenode.net, however, I could not find a channel >> for #FreeBSDHelp or just #FreeBSD. >> The irc.freenode.net has #freebsd-fr, #freebsd.se, #freebsd-ru ....etc >> but all are not English-languase-based or not for general help for >> FreeBSD newbies. >> Please advise. >> > > see below: > > 16:12 -!- Mode change [+i] for user bh > 16:13 -!- #freebsd ##freebsd Forwarding to another channel > 16:13 -!- ##freebsd You need to be identified to join that channel > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > respect, > bh > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 08:29:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352EA16A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:29:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A960013C46B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAS8TGGJ035583; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:29:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id lAS8TGwU035582; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:29:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:29:15 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Norberto Meijome Message-ID: <20071128082915.GA35450@thought.org> References: <20071128060150.GA34147@thought.org> <20071128174144.39886519@meijome.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071128174144.39886519@meijome.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can anybody explain? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:29:18 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 05:41:44PM +1100, Norberto Meijome wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:01:50 -0800 > Gary Kline wrote: > > > Since my line went dead last Friday I've been having troubles > > simply building a new kernel. I cvsup'd RELENG_6_2 last time, > > rebuilt the kernel with KERNCONF=GENERIC and now with > > KERNCONF=TAO. My new /boot/kernel/kernel is > 7.4 megs and it > > *hangs* part way up. I've tried building with the new GENERIC and > > with TAO that has only two devices added. One is atapicam, the > > other is cpufreq (just now added). The old kernel is around 4 > > megs. My last try is RELENG_6. No diff. > > Hey Gary, > - did u clean your /usr/obj > - do you have a good source tree? when in doubt, wipe and re-get (or try a different csup mirror first...that sometimes makes the difference) > > B > Yes, Beto, I did a /bin/rm -rf of /usr/obj. At least 3 times. I also tried to upgrade 6.2 (twice), now I'm grabbing 6.3 or whatever "RELENG_6" will get me... I think it has to do with that "autoload" {or whatever} is the first think that appears after the square box of options. I only saw the string for a n instant; it may have been overwritten. I'm using cvsup7. Not good? gary > _________________________ > {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome > > Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" > Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" > FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" > > I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 08:37:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE7616A41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:37:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.bluestop.org (muon.bluestop.org [IPv6:2001:41c8:1:548a::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3CD13C44B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:37:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.draftnet (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:1::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.bluestop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F00CC4001; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:37:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <474D28CD.2050802@cran.org.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:37:33 +0000 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian References: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> <200711271657.00637.pieter@degoeje.nl> <474CA4E7.9060401@cran.org.uk> <20071127161036.L1233@numail.brianwhalen.net> In-Reply-To: <20071127161036.L1233@numail.brianwhalen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Pieter de Goeje , Andy Greenwood , Aryeh Friedman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:37:41 -0000 Brian wrote: > Isn't 1000 an unrealistically high value? > > Brian On a system with only 2 cores and 2GB RAM - yes. I'm not sure that even with a huge number of cores you'd get much benefit from running such a massively parallel make, unless the build system is more intelligent than I think it is. -- Bruce From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 09:21:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214BF16A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: from pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:d8:3::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0C513C467 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix, from userid 59) id 639783EE3; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:21:27 +0900 (KST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-48.6 required=15.1 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VERIFIED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (localhost.izb.knu.ac.kr [127.0.0.1]) by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4C83EE2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:21:24 +0900 (KST) Comment: DKIM? See http://www.google.com/search?btnI&q=RFC+4871 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=izb.knu.ac.kr; h= subject:from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type: date:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; q= dns/txt; s=s1024; bh=ka+FKTfusWorVcBuOUZrd0WlkoQhWpccZ8AZ3XuQWok =; b=MNt1To+NBmDKzEoyGyUiH6/QFSVPR48A6cKfxQISMVOQG8I/UBRGkaV3atD c/Nmi1CIONvdd6UV2Yr310NVEYYRq3r03crlmOUZAIATXZSmC0gJ1W6Vuuk8tJCp 1uAG9NLStL/Ocb/o25l/aSN5e+Qh+8NKutvmlXfLu8PNIGq8= Received: from chrys.izb.knu.ac.kr (chrys.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:cf:3::1]) by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AF53EDD for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:21:23 +0900 (KST) Received: from jihad.izb.knu.ac.kr (jihad.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:d8:3::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bh.rfc4871@chrys.izb.knu.ac.kr) by chrys.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CE41CCEE for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:21:02 +0900 (KST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:::1]) by jihad.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41E75E0E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:21:20 +0900 (KST) From: Byung-Hee HWANG To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <474D1BD2.8070409@gmail.com> References: <474D0D79.1010407@gmail.com> <474D105F.3040807@gmail.com> <474D13D3.4070005@gmail.com> <1196234064.1238.2.camel@jihad.izb.knu.ac.kr> <474D1BD2.8070409@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: InZealBomb Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:21:15 +0900 Message-Id: <1196241675.1014.3.camel@jihad.izb.knu.ac.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bh@izb.knu.ac.kr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:21:32 -0000 On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 15:42 +0800, williamkow wrote: [...] > *NickServ * Password accepted > - you are now recognized > > =-= User mode for wwwkow is now +e then you join #FreeBSD, type below command: /join #FreeBSD is there anything else i can help you? > Do you mean I must registered a nickname first, before I can see a > particular channel ? > But I have registerred, (see above list), and still can not find a > channel for #FreeBSD (english-based). #FreeBSD is the #FreeBSD (english-based). respect, bh -- "I don't care what it costs. I don't care if we have to fight all the five families in New York. The Tattaglia Family is going to be wiped out." -- Santino Corleone, "Chapter 4", page 95 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 10:03:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C280C16A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8685F13C442 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.23.2] (62-31-10-181.cable.ubr05.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.10.181]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77B5E000781; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:03:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <474D3CEA.2020505@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:03:22 +0000 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20061205 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Robey References: <539c60b90711271248o6eb0b9fw757e40fbcdfdb3c2@mail.gmail.com> <20071127151259.H27150@wonkity.com> <474CA85D.6080501@chuckr.org> In-Reply-To: <474CA85D.6080501@chuckr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: how to compile and install a new driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:03:25 -0000 Chuck Robey wrote: > Nice description, but you'd better include enough info so that they > could make FreeBSD-stype diffs: diff has the unfortunate default of > making an output that is compatible with ed(1). This supplies > extremely little information to use, in case the file you're trying to > patch with that diff has changed, and is also damned hard for mere > humans to understand. There are two other options you can give to > diff that change the format: -c gives "context" diffs, and -u gives > "unified" diffs, and the -u is the option that is standard with FreeBSD. It's not FreeBSD's default, it's POSIX's and has been the default behaviour of diff since forever (i.e. before -c or -u had even been invented); it is also the default behaviour of diff on every version of Linux I've ever used as well and probably every unix-like box you can get your hands on. Backwards compatibility *is* a wonderful thing. -u is a newbie to the diff world of options and is the strongly *preferred* way of providing patches, and probably not just for FreeBSD. It's generally the easiest for humans to read and the best for general use, though -c isn't that hard either and can sometimes be easier to comprehend. --Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 10:11:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF77616A41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD8213C45B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so1817247uge for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:11:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zuZIZkao3g/JkkP2+TfN7SVjEE0uI0jZhdJLJLg7KYg=; b=ML/PT6rMTJckKn61GUFz9wzBnN7/KSY45fqzBhAeFFU7r3+q4n1ttV0jn2eLWuUUpqq4ilzjVDSqzeI51R2HoYnt4HHuy7BpKm54sJutuW2ANEMhyHKq97Nozb6ceUT9qOshb8+3jFJA+HO51Lvv0ZRC3t/K1kWN6obW+iH5dd8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RUO3+oEEclr+aG91GM/DOXiTaC3N8U9y2qz9aJxr4yeMSbsP3zT/lHraKZOO6OkH19m2oXGAd65h2uMG6NZXomoYA4M+NBiwDTicTIAUHIdebTlyVDTT5KHINbzxUjv3DoQsJzWeInhTG7NSj84ojgyY8JUavM5scd0anBy5mow= Received: by 10.67.20.11 with SMTP id x11mr2657ugi.1196244702125; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.220.16 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:11:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a0711280211g1a44172bi117ea3ee95f729bb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:11:42 +0000 From: Chris To: "Kris Kennaway" In-Reply-To: <474B4610.5020702@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> <474A9DCD.6020500@FreeBSD.org> <3aaaa3a0711260734tb0a46a3kac3b423bfd89582b@mail.gmail.com> <474B4610.5020702@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Tore Lund , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:11:43 -0000 On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > Of course not :P What are the PR references? > > > Try this. > > > > Login to twice on ssh. > > If not root su both to root. > > using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. > > on the first tty type 'killall watch' > > you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer > > is counting down. > > I can confirm this. > > > Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. > > But not this. > > Kris > > Hi Kris http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116719 is the watch report http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116720 for the reboot The reboot stopped crashing when I recompiled world using -O I have however seen it on other servers crashing on -O binaries its not consistent like the watch problem but its on numerous servers I seen the problem on. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 10:20:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2810C16A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:20:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4993B13C455; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474D40F4.3090409@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:20:36 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> <474A9DCD.6020500@FreeBSD.org> <3aaaa3a0711260734tb0a46a3kac3b423bfd89582b@mail.gmail.com> <474B4610.5020702@FreeBSD.org> <3aaaa3a0711280211g1a44172bi117ea3ee95f729bb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3aaaa3a0711280211g1a44172bi117ea3ee95f729bb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tore Lund , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:20:27 -0000 Chris wrote: > On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: > >> Of course not :P What are the PR references? >> >>> Try this. >>> >>> Login to twice on ssh. >>> If not root su both to root. >>> using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. >>> on the first tty type 'killall watch' >>> you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer >>> is counting down. >> I can confirm this. >> >>> Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. >> But not this. >> >> Kris >> >> > Hi Kris > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116719 is the watch report > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116720 for the reboot > > The reboot stopped crashing when I recompiled world using -O I have > however seen it on other servers crashing on -O binaries its not > consistent like the watch problem but its on numerous servers I seen > the problem on. Unfortunately both of these are not high quality PR submissions, which is probably why no action has been taken yet. At least in the first one you give a "how to repeat" that I was able to follow, but in general when you encounter a panic you should be providing the backtrace and/or other debugging information requested here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html The second PR is basically null as written since it cannot be reproduced and no debugging information was submitted. If you are interested in proceeding with it, please reproduce and obtain the necessary kernel debugging. Otherwise we should close it. Does the patch I sent you solve the first problem? Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 10:40:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF3916A421 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7EC13C467 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:40:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so1822933uge for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:40:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5W2SZosgB8WfskByFbY4Cto7D9nVL40RWUpR0g93ZxQ=; b=WYJICJdUB0baU30SeReNHI01LtMianwEltplsmEb0e9lIJjaDfSVgYSVjTxzMt9hYemY9zgom6XAAVAIuiYuu3t//FUSvPv1KT93G4SNXMrayRIJnTjNiYuQi8CnVU6ZZHK/ZrJYj24y6BgKZaDVoWs4T8R0Sdc1fuMJEBZFgKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nPHxy8/m5dAuedLCTWx+Z8tEFb8MEm0EdpjpvwwZGbP5icYDcWqQU5qL+9R15pyiS65rDUo+mPBEPSTQ+X1iO74Nchfc7Q5j0rlE2LRICQwGpqYRBrBt41aTpmT+SnUJS31fV3P3Ti/waLLz9GHtTHKeVeygXfo8II+0UQQsYRA= Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr208180ugj.1196246417420; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.220.16 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:40:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a0711280240y56ec99c7qb4130a93f942a9a5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:40:16 +0000 From: Chris To: "Kris Kennaway" In-Reply-To: <474D40F4.3090409@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> <474A9DCD.6020500@FreeBSD.org> <3aaaa3a0711260734tb0a46a3kac3b423bfd89582b@mail.gmail.com> <474B4610.5020702@FreeBSD.org> <3aaaa3a0711280211g1a44172bi117ea3ee95f729bb@mail.gmail.com> <474D40F4.3090409@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Tore Lund , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:40:19 -0000 On 28/11/2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Chris wrote: > > On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > >> Of course not :P What are the PR references? > >> > >>> Try this. > >>> > >>> Login to twice on ssh. > >>> If not root su both to root. > >>> using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. > >>> on the first tty type 'killall watch' > >>> you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer > >>> is counting down. > >> I can confirm this. > >> > >>> Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. > >> But not this. > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > > Hi Kris > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116719 is the watch report > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116720 for the reboot > > > > The reboot stopped crashing when I recompiled world using -O I have > > however seen it on other servers crashing on -O binaries its not > > consistent like the watch problem but its on numerous servers I seen > > the problem on. > > Unfortunately both of these are not high quality PR submissions, which > is probably why no action has been taken yet. At least in the first one > you give a "how to repeat" that I was able to follow, but in general > when you encounter a panic you should be providing the backtrace and/or > other debugging information requested here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html > > The second PR is basically null as written since it cannot be reproduced > and no debugging information was submitted. If you are interested in > proceeding with it, please reproduce and obtain the necessary kernel > debugging. Otherwise we should close it. > > Does the patch I sent you solve the first problem? > > Kris > > Ok first an apology there was feedback to 116720 which I didnt know until now. I did another crash on the watch but had foreground fsck set in rc.conf and did another immediate reboot afterwards and as expected because no bg fsck running it didnt crash. Patching it now and will also enable full debugging on the kernel. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 09:59:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D57216A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54CE13C44B; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474D3BEC.7030700@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:59:08 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian References: <474C3A12.9040107@gmail.com> <200711271657.00637.pieter@degoeje.nl> <474CA4E7.9060401@cran.org.uk> <20071127161036.L1233@numail.brianwhalen.net> <474CE269.4000608@gmail.com> <20071127230252.L3826@numail.brianwhalen.net> In-Reply-To: <20071127230252.L3826@numail.brianwhalen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:17:55 +0000 Cc: Bruce Cran , Pieter de Goeje , Andy Greenwood , "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upper limit on make -j ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:59:00 -0000 Brian wrote: > There's a thread on the -stable list about 8 cores being an issue in a > very specific case. I couldn't imagine setting j to something more than > 2x or 3x at the most of your available cores. So it's okay by you that freebsd utilities crash when you overload them? Not to me ;-) BTW, Aryeh, posting 800KB of your buildworld output to the mailing list is exceedingly lame and doesn't help anything. Please study the gdb trace provided by Bruce: that is the kind of debugging that was required here, not huge amounts of irrelevant text from your console. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 13:23:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC8016A420 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:23:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schiz0phrenic21@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C20913C447 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:23:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schiz0phrenic21@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1889555waf for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:23:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=OK3AnO2Ws0vgvSUyPWr862fhuzVecK9d2Y+i8/UfZ4E=; b=XHcWWbqbV1EsJtWQBHOTpuueu5zETJ8LNctXBg4mIfKBLJJ+jPfPwmFv8JWHXkviTKGJbDXGmmMW11xphFGqUWZwqZaJH7qMMP9bGhifgmfMGnTmuNyDbk7Tc03ehc/mzL8XRmnbY9CTfIYz7Sz1rVBccONnetOY9ZRZhxXV28o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=xZQ71mirPTjnaXKkK2vGx9nLmxWIwZ1gQszt6pWlb8i4cNuto+1jAkt+ZKrBWFwZeQxZePyVhs19WRSvg1z30hPeKUw1wVtBMFE3hMn2zPv+51v1RxsG2om2lkWOqph+uUzBR/UtR8+Xv/cpbB7TuGohUXVaZw9q7RsxJVK5BOg= Received: by 10.115.59.4 with SMTP id m4mr930341wak.1196254480233; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.55.11 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:54:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8d23ec860711280454x72f3fa64k10ed8ee8fc33f7c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:54:40 -0500 From: Schiz0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Kernel Compile Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:23:16 -0000 Hey, I'm running FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE. I recently csuped the source code (src-all) and built world. I then tried to "make buildkernel", and it ran for a little while, then gave the following error and stopped: http://schiz0.securityexploits.com/make.buildkernel.out The error is at the bottom - that is the log of the entire buildkernel process. I recompiled my kernel cause I wanted to add linux support. The only change I made to my kernel config, was adding the line: options COMPAT_LINUX Compiling the kernel using the same config (Without that COMPAT_LINUX line) worked perfectly in the past. Thanks for your time, ~Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 13:47:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BB216A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from EXHUB015-4.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-4.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701FD13C46A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from philip.hq.rws (74.93.213.161) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.744.0; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:47:04 -0800 Message-ID: <474D7156.6090502@riderway.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:47:02 -0500 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Riderway Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070919) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Schiz0 References: <8d23ec860711280454x72f3fa64k10ed8ee8fc33f7c7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8d23ec860711280454x72f3fa64k10ed8ee8fc33f7c7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Kernel Compile Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:47:05 -0000 Schiz0 wrote: > Hey, > > I'm running FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE. I recently csuped the source code > (src-all) and built world. > I then tried to "make buildkernel", and it ran for a little while, > then gave the following error and stopped: > > http://schiz0.securityexploits.com/make.buildkernel.out > The error is at the bottom - that is the log of the entire buildkernel process. I see no error -- looks like you didnt' copy enough of it. use -DNO_CLEAN to skip all the rm -f stuff at the start when you post the new output. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@ridecharge.com) o:703.549.2050x206 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com / http://ridecharge.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 14:03:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1007C16A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) Received: from mailrelay002.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay002.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53E613C448 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alainfabry@belgacom.net) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes Received: from 245.199-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO belgacom.net) ([81.245.199.245]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 28 Nov 2007 15:03:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:00:35 +0100 From: "Alain G. Fabry" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071128140034.GA65209@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: 2nd try : tap SIOCIFCREATE failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:03:18 -0000 When creating the tap interface, my system gives the following FreeBSD# uname -a FreeBSD FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD# kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 11 0xc0400000 6f7554 kernel 2 1 0xc0af8000 140c0 snd_hda.ko 3 2 0xc0b0d000 479a8 sound.ko 4 1 0xc0b55000 1d278 kqemu.ko 5 1 0xc0b73000 8ea4 aio.ko 6 1 0xc4f44000 9000 if_bridge.ko 7 1 0xc5079000 16000 linux.ko 8 1 0xc60ce000 4000 if_tap.ko FreeBSD# ifconfig tap0 create ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE: Invalid argument Trying to get this running so my qemu clients have network access... Thanks in advance, Alain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 14:06:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF30316A41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix.langelier@notarius.com) Received: from emma.notarius.com (emma.notarius.com [207.253.43.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764CC13C478 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix.langelier@notarius.com) Received: from emilie.notarius.lan ([172.25.1.59]) by emma.notarius.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:54:03 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 x-cr-puzzleid: {36490285-3625-4789-88AF-B8974404812E} MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable x-cr-hashedpuzzle: A2+5 BMBy B28I CE6k CZw5 Cji6 Dyg+ D0VX EbMZ Ef3N Emby E88i HJo4 Hfrm JED7 KSYM; 1; ZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAtAHEAdQBlAHMAdABpAG8AbgBzAEAAZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAuAG8AcgBnAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {36490285-3625-4789-88AF-B8974404812E}; ZgBlAGwAaQB4AC4AbABhAG4AZwBlAGwAaQBlAHIAQABuAG8AdABhAHIAaQB1AHMALgBjAG8AbQA=; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:46:13 GMT; TgBlAHQAdwBvAHIAawAgAEMAbwBuAGYAaQBnAHUAcgBhAHQAaQBvAG4AIAB3AGkAdABoACAASgBhAGkAbABzAC4A Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:54:03 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Network Configuration with Jails. Thread-index: AcgxVTsC9Nncf+oFTEmzcldc+nTXMA== From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E9lix_Langelier?= To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2007 13:54:03.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[22B2FBE0:01C831C6] Subject: Network Configuration with Jails. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:06:05 -0000 Hello, I run a FreeBSD Jailer and I want to have multiple jails in 2 seperate = networks. The server has 2 network interfaces and each of them are = connected in a different network. Say vlan1 and vlan2. My problem is that all the network traffic is going through the first = interface (vlan1). What I need is that a jail in vlan1 can't communicate = with a jail in vlan2 (and vice-versa). Is it possible to split the network traffic in the right interfaces and = use a diffrent default gateway for each of them ? Here is my /etc/rc.d configuration. defaultrouter=3D"192.168.1.1" static_routes=3D"vlan1 vlan2" route_vlan1=3D"-net 192.168.1.0/24 192.168.1.1" route_vlan2=3D"-net 192.168.2.0/24 192.168.2.1" # vlan1 interface config. ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_bge0_alias0=3D"192.168.1.11 netmask 255.255.255.255" # vlan2 interface config. ifconfig_bge1=3D"inet 192.168.2.10 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_bge1_alias0=3D"inet 192.168.2.11 netmask 255.255.255.255" =20 I tried to remove the default gateway but then the server was = unreachable. I am thinking of using pf to resolve my issue.=20 Any suggestions or ideas ? Thanks in advance for your help. -- Felix Langelier Unix Sysadmin felix.langelier@notarius.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 14:06:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECDE16A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from mail.beenic.net (mail.beenic.net [83.246.72.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B8C13C47E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from [192.168.1.32] (a89-182-18-182.net-htp.de [89.182.18.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.beenic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313FBA44529 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:59:55 +0100 (CET) From: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" Organization: Beenic Networks GmbH To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:07:42 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071128140034.GA65209@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> In-Reply-To: <20071128140034.GA65209@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711281507.43104.wundram@beenic.net> Subject: Re: 2nd try : tap SIOCIFCREATE failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:06:31 -0000 Am Mittwoch, 28. November 2007 15:00:35 schrieb Alain G. Fabry: > FreeBSD# uname -a > FreeBSD FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE > FreeBSD# kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 11 0xc0400000 6f7554 kernel > 2 1 0xc0af8000 140c0 snd_hda.ko > 3 2 0xc0b0d000 479a8 sound.ko > 4 1 0xc0b55000 1d278 kqemu.ko > 5 1 0xc0b73000 8ea4 aio.ko > 6 1 0xc4f44000 9000 if_bridge.ko > 7 1 0xc5079000 16000 linux.ko > 8 1 0xc60ce000 4000 if_tap.ko > FreeBSD# ifconfig tap0 create > ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE: Invalid argument Try: ifconfig tap create -- Heiko Wundram Product & Application Development From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 14:09:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1774316A475 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ED213C46E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from philip.hq.rws (74.93.213.161) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.744.0; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:09:56 -0800 Message-ID: <474D76B0.1080401@riderway.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:09:52 -0500 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Riderway Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070919) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alain G. Fabry" References: <20071128140034.GA65209@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> In-Reply-To: <20071128140034.GA65209@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: 2nd try : tap SIOCIFCREATE failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:09:58 -0000 Alain G. Fabry wrote: > When creating the tap interface, my system gives the following > > FreeBSD# uname -a > FreeBSD FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE > FreeBSD# kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 11 0xc0400000 6f7554 kernel > 2 1 0xc0af8000 140c0 snd_hda.ko > 3 2 0xc0b0d000 479a8 sound.ko > 4 1 0xc0b55000 1d278 kqemu.ko > 5 1 0xc0b73000 8ea4 aio.ko > 6 1 0xc4f44000 9000 if_bridge.ko > 7 1 0xc5079000 16000 linux.ko > 8 1 0xc60ce000 4000 if_tap.ko > FreeBSD# ifconfig tap0 create > ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE: Invalid argument I never had to manually issue the create command, you should just see it in the ifconfig -a output. When qemu starts, "Opened by process id " should be in the ifconfig output by the tap0 interface. You'll need to use the /etc/qemuifup or whatever its called, I forget. Or the command line options to set networking info like netmask, ip, gateway for the tap. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@ridecharge.com) o:703.549.2050x206 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com / http://ridecharge.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 14:12:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8FD16A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:12:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from EXHUB015-4.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-4.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5944A13C461 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:12:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from philip.hq.rws (74.93.213.161) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.744.0; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:12:43 -0800 Message-ID: <474D7759.2070200@riderway.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:12:41 -0500 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Riderway Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070919) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9lix_Langelier?= References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Network Configuration with Jails. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:12:44 -0000 Félix Langelier wrote: > Hello, > > I run a FreeBSD Jailer and I want to have multiple jails in 2 seperate networks. The server has 2 network interfaces and each of them are connected in a different network. Say vlan1 and vlan2. > > My problem is that all the network traffic is going through the first interface (vlan1). What I need is that a jail in vlan1 can't communicate with a jail in vlan2 (and vice-versa). > > Is it possible to split the network traffic in the right interfaces and use a diffrent default gateway for each of them ? > > Here is my /etc/rc.d configuration. > > defaultrouter="192.168.1.1" > > static_routes="vlan1 vlan2" > route_vlan1="-net 192.168.1.0/24 192.168.1.1" > route_vlan2="-net 192.168.2.0/24 192.168.2.1" > > # vlan1 interface config. > ifconfig_bge0="inet 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ifconfig_bge0_alias0="192.168.1.11 netmask 255.255.255.255" > > # vlan2 interface config. > ifconfig_bge1="inet 192.168.2.10 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ifconfig_bge1_alias0="inet 192.168.2.11 netmask 255.255.255.255" > > I tried to remove the default gateway but then the server was unreachable. > I am thinking of using pf to resolve my issue. Removing the default gateway will work, but you have to add back _similiar_ routes, you can't just remove it. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@ridecharge.com) o:703.549.2050x206 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com / http://ridecharge.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 14:54:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F13516A469 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244F113C47E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:54:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.3.2 anthesphoria.net lASEsdiP092557 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1196261688; bh=E9/iGqiQ6vIv7a6+NbO8fe/K7BpLaBM9P2Rj6tGNE S0=; l=1409; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QYrW+MPOVNX WleqtMykEwdjOsrIQNqtb1LNcjFKOnfAasmCU71vHql9KwbutyHf6Ywiz4WAPlVsNY3 lIWakPvMV1yxhsNF8RK81eaGilgexCpfvykqNS7/mgVjdDS+dKZPlocqOvNT+L2bFej CB5JbeerMMyMkR3wX4u7/pq4SY= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-220-114.eunet.yu [213.198.220.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASEsdiP092557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:54:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:52:23 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: "Westin Shafer" Message-ID: <20071128155223.6c997d15@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <6B70E132408F604CB2FD25BCC6A502B588270E@relivexch.relivinc.com> References: <474CA45C.7000107@daleco.biz> <6B70E132408F604CB2FD25BCC6A502B588270E@relivexch.relivinc.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Finding and installing new locale X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:54:55 -0000 =D0=A3 =D1=83=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BA, 28. =D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B5= =D0=BC=D0=B1=D1=80=D0=B0 2007 =D1=83 17:24:47, "Westin Shafer" =D1=98=D0=B5 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0= =B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BE(=D0=BB=D0=B0): > Thanks for the info. I had not seen that doc. However localedef and > makelocale are not valid commands. I also checked out the port tree > and these tools are not located there either. Are these Linux > specific commands? The command is mklocale(1). id_ID locale(s) are not included in FreeBSD. If you have correct LC_* files, you should talk to FreeBSD team member responsible for l10n, (which is, according to http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-wh= o.html Andrey) about official inclusion. I also suggest you to use freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org mailing list for that purpose. Beside this, please don't forget that, if you just need Indonesian translations of userland applications, you can just install appropriate ports, for example: misc/kde3-i18n-id Indonesian messages and documentation for KDE3 textproc/id-aspell Aspell Indonesian dictionary Finally, you might find this page useful: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/l10n.html Best regards. --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 :: =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0=B5= =D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 15:41:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6129B16A46C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:41:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Received: from smtp.bayou.com (smtp.bayou.com [209.209.192.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C9713C4F5 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:41:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Received: from bayoucshaffer (firewall.bayou.com [209.209.192.219]) by smtp.bayou.com (8.12.8/8.12.6) with SMTP id lASFfWkZ088466 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:41:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Message-ID: <001701c831d4$84e05020$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> From: "Mark Evans" To: References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <20071127143417.R1137@numail.brianwhalen.net> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:37:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 209.209.192.40 Cc: Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:41:33 -0000 find no aliease for "ls -l" df returns the following. So looks like there is restill about 40 G on the partition. ilesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/aacd0s1a 97G 57G 33G 64% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /var/named/dev Thanks mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: "Mark Evans" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. > Is a partition close to full, use df to see that. > Is ls -l aliased to something else that is digging into your directory > tree, like when you're in /usr and type du? > > brian > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Mark Evans wrote: > >> I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. When I run "ls -l" it takes forever for >> the it to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses about 98% of >> the CPU doing the time. If I run "ls" I do not experience any problem. >> anyone have any ideas? >> >> Thanks >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 > 5:32 AM > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 15:48:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51EB16A469 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:48:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Received: from smtp.bayou.com (smtp.bayou.com [209.209.192.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDF813C4E5 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:48:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Received: from bayoucshaffer (firewall.bayou.com [209.209.192.219]) by smtp.bayou.com (8.12.8/8.12.6) with SMTP id lASFmZkZ088799 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:48:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Message-ID: <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> From: "Mark Evans" To: References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:44:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 209.209.192.40 Cc: Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:48:35 -0000 No we are not using NIS. it is a large directory i am listing. actually it is the /usr/home directory, and is probably the largest on the system. However "ls -l" runs for close to six minutesand spends the 10 seconds scrolling the screen with the results. so i wait ls to start showing the results for about 5 and a half minutes. Even on a older and much slower system i've never seen it talk more than 15 seconds to complete. Thanks Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Kennaway" To: "Mark Evans" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. > Mark Evans wrote: >> I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. When I run "ls -l" it takes forever for >> the it to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses about 98% of >> the CPU doing the time. If I run "ls" I do not experience any problem. >> anyone have any ideas? > > Are you using NIS for user/group lookups? > > Is it a large directory that is taking a long time to sort? > > Kris > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 > 5:32 AM > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 16:16:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEEA16A420 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from speedtoys.racing@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0502513C461 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from speedtoys.racing@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so2091675mue for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:16:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nGkYbezreBShc0hAdFnOexJ+RLSUCJvudg1JChZ3Ru4=; b=Ug+hALAhRMft6siw7q2gG+RWABY2gx/ILx4dnQ9g/3hdVy5Hwx355LM2UTRwd3U2h6FZ8EtWtvYjRiTQDa+RYsfjBr7Yngamc/Ilrl1hn+3AGp7HNlHKYe9lPmDwyryE4bAxQ8QBROXkZsNPHMumBtIY81xdKQOrlPN18gXg/Ms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LeiBczIhEGKMuI3qHyASbCzvVLcMB2J+hK54PjSrQorcmFFS/RFsDhSy+8HJbrPLBvqKhO0xANDjs5+CT61/LlyW9yuHIxqD++aPUUifc9DJ4GfzWDXFEszml8YpwiE+NKbJBDxOLwrMhAs7JOo9nH5312SXBYGrw6lWcFxf0RY= Received: by 10.82.107.15 with SMTP id f15mr140157buc.1196265132975; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.186.11 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:52:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:52:12 -0800 From: "Jeff Mohler" To: "Mark Evans" In-Reply-To: <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:16:37 -0000 HOW large is the directory? ls | wc -l On Nov 28, 2007 7:44 AM, Mark Evans wrote: > No we are not using NIS. > > it is a large directory i am listing. actually it is the /usr/home > directory, and is probably the largest on the system. However "ls -l" runs > for close to six minutesand spends the 10 seconds scrolling the screen > with > the results. so i wait ls to start showing the results for about 5 and a > half minutes. Even on a older and much slower system i've never seen it > talk more than 15 seconds to complete. > > > Thanks > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Kennaway" > To: "Mark Evans" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. > > > > Mark Evans wrote: > >> I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. When I run "ls -l" it takes forever for > >> the it to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses about 98% > of > >> the CPU doing the time. If I run "ls" I do not experience any > problem. > >> anyone have any ideas? > > > > Are you using NIS for user/group lookups? > > > > Is it a large directory that is taking a long time to sort? > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: > 4/3/2007 > > 5:32 AM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 16:17:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D52C16A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:17:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF5813C448 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so1275737rvb for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:16:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=O087phbyFrWBy/jlOiG22RQm2AM3xmNz72yPyIdTzMI=; b=qfeFiemcMapo9kQceFX5digftq5klA2zMvkT9tVT3IxOe40akRRV5LgxaJTL6eqXurZPmL/o9xDcC2FYnlQQbfiMRw7VKv1pt7FDp/DG0ZoG8lD6hPTlwgAlKoP5sVBSgxW0Hm9MTSE0xRpN2AHvthLrcTiln0kYse6269DEVC0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rjIxaIGfjgG2gY2CuesjqsyR/VtKBXZwiEGE/Te8gob9Bnb877Br7SKlWAgdJJo+M4+JUkGhXQXa+73voh5STkmHj4RDKCkd+y5yaBzM4SxGhQBWVByjyoW5oE65Xrp+v2XmYAQkEzKCzHFbgsreAGHV8YAijBW24/UCONOnlmc= Received: by 10.141.167.5 with SMTP id u5mr2651919rvo.1196266619283; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.161.21 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:16:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54db43990711280816g46c66666yf6b7a755b6fe570a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:16:59 -0500 From: "Bob Johnson" To: jekillen In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071126055614.5FD1.GERARD@seibercom.net> <2854bfb4a1bd36877e398b36f610daf5@prodigy.net> <20071127055051.726E.GERARD@seibercom.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: short Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:17:00 -0000 On 11/27/07, jekillen wrote: > Originally, I was in a hurry and was having trouble with ports. This > approach had > worked for three machines. But one I was having endless problems with. > Meanwhile > I got it together to get ports to work. But the port did not install a > startup script for > MySQL, at least in /etc/rc.d, The port should have installed a startup script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ That is where ports usually install their startup scripts. Adding scripts to /etc/rc.d can create confusion when you update the OS some time in the future. - Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 16:19:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C76916A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from speedtoys.racing@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ADB13C4D9 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from speedtoys.racing@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so1408999nfb for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:19:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nGkYbezreBShc0hAdFnOexJ+RLSUCJvudg1JChZ3Ru4=; b=JRbMvGiSLY4LC70BBm0Z6GMam/f4k6H6NTbW/XNVHsr97Hl5JNLRwIMocgK+JH4D8M9/Fut6MVOsFKcZFBNlDP21LFbJH3J3U/CDe8AB/2C1zbe1xYLd2XXjC8E2dtyE6oTjyz5DfB3EEiG0jR7V2Wi/XxiJgjvesraRRFtOwT0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gufoHuGEpC1Gy9nXjnQPmau/MpBGXWDMX/AiC6nZkPyGZi4hCHe9H9HBv6NZIob1z70vmEIyolP7VDgMZGjjz2nHf0oLZkYY07dBlNXRYYJmkU0hnWEabCircOiIFXSy4k7wld8WYzh1h0pucoI8joVfPx76Q+E17gK5qJzSKro= Received: by 10.82.138.6 with SMTP id l6mr2388528bud.1196265159978; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:52:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.186.11 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:52:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:52:12 -0800 From: "Jeff Mohler" To: "Mark Evans" In-Reply-To: <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:19:30 -0000 HOW large is the directory? ls | wc -l On Nov 28, 2007 7:44 AM, Mark Evans wrote: > No we are not using NIS. > > it is a large directory i am listing. actually it is the /usr/home > directory, and is probably the largest on the system. However "ls -l" runs > for close to six minutesand spends the 10 seconds scrolling the screen > with > the results. so i wait ls to start showing the results for about 5 and a > half minutes. Even on a older and much slower system i've never seen it > talk more than 15 seconds to complete. > > > Thanks > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Kennaway" > To: "Mark Evans" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. > > > > Mark Evans wrote: > >> I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. When I run "ls -l" it takes forever for > >> the it to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses about 98% > of > >> the CPU doing the time. If I run "ls" I do not experience any > problem. > >> anyone have any ideas? > > > > Are you using NIS for user/group lookups? > > > > Is it a large directory that is taking a long time to sort? > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: > 4/3/2007 > > 5:32 AM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 16:24:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E944216A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:24:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesh@lanl.gov) Received: from mailwasher.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [204.121.3.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF06813C448 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:24:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesh@lanl.gov) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id lASG4QuA006622; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:04:26 -0700 Received: from oppie-mail.lanl.gov (oppie-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.123]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id lASG4PAs020043; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:04:25 -0700 Received: from [128.165.86.60] (p25dual1.lanl.gov [128.165.86.60]) by oppie-mail.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A541F8015; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:04:20 -0700 (MST) From: James Harrison To: Mark Evans In-Reply-To: <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Los Alamos National Labs Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:04:19 -0700 Message-Id: <1196265859.14883.3.camel@p25dual1.lanl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.0 (2.8.0-33.0.1.el5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTN-5-MailScanner-Information: Please see http://network.lanl.gov/email/virus-scan.php X-CTN-5-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CTN-5-MailScanner-From: jamesh@lanl.gov X-Spam-Status: No Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jamesh@lanl.gov List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:24:51 -0000 On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 09:44 -0600, Mark Evans wrote: > No we are not using NIS. > > it is a large directory i am listing. actually it is the /usr/home > directory, and is probably the largest on the system. However "ls -l" runs > for close to six minutesand spends the 10 seconds scrolling the screen with > the results. so i wait ls to start showing the results for about 5 and a > half minutes. Even on a older and much slower system i've never seen it > talk more than 15 seconds to complete. > > > Thanks > Mark > How many directories, roughly? I've seen ls take *many* minutes listing the contents of a directory that contained tens of thousands of files. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 16:25:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022DC16A473 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Received: from smtp.bayou.com (smtp.bayou.com [209.209.192.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D6513C457 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:25:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Received: from bayoucshaffer (firewall.bayou.com [209.209.192.219]) by smtp.bayou.com (8.12.8/8.12.6) with SMTP id lASGPLkZ091014 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:25:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mbe2@bayou.com) Message-ID: <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> From: "Mark Evans" To: References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:20:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 209.209.192.40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:25:23 -0000 ls | wc=20 returns " 8836 8836 71583" Thanks Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Mohler=20 To: Mark Evans=20 Cc: questions@freebsd.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. HOW large is the directory? ls | wc -l =20 On Nov 28, 2007 7:44 AM, Mark Evans wrote: No we are not using NIS. it is a large directory i am listing. actually it is the /usr/home directory, and is probably the largest on the system. However "ls = -l" runs for close to six minutesand spends the 10 seconds scrolling the = screen with=20 the results. so i wait ls to start showing the results for about 5 = and a half minutes. Even on a older and much slower system i've never = seen it talk more than 15 seconds to complete. Thanks Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Kennaway" To: "Mark Evans" < mbe2@bayou.com> Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish.=20 > Mark Evans wrote: >> I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. When I run "ls -l" it takes = forever for >> the it to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses about = 98% of=20 >> the CPU doing the time. If I run "ls" I do not experience any = problem. >> anyone have any ideas? > > Are you using NIS for user/group lookups? > > Is it a large directory that is taking a long time to sort?=20 > > Kris > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: = 4/3/2007=20 > 5:32 AM > > _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=20 http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to " = freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: = 4/3/2007 5:32 AM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 16:25:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B8A16A477 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5453F13C457 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from epia-2.farid-hajji.net (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58ADDFAB3; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:25:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:25:49 +0100 From: cpghost To: "Mark Evans" Message-ID: <20071128172549.00eb2ddc@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> In-Reply-To: <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> Organization: Cordula's Web X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:25:53 -0000 On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:44:03 -0600 "Mark Evans" wrote: > No we are not using NIS. > > it is a large directory i am listing. actually it is the /usr/home > directory, and is probably the largest on the system. However "ls -l" > runs for close to six minutesand spends the 10 seconds scrolling the > screen with the results. so i wait ls to start showing the results > for about 5 and a half minutes. Even on a older and much slower > system i've never seen it talk more than 15 seconds to complete. Does it run (much) faster with the -f flag or -lf flags? I have a similar problem with *huge* directories: sorting them is incredibly slow... though -l makes no difference; it's the sorting itself than makes one think it is O(N^2) instead of O(N log N). It could be a pathological case of Quicksort (ls(1) calls fts_open(), which itself calls fts_sort() from /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/fts.c, and that function calls qsort(3); so it's not entirely impossible... -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 16:29:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA1016A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from viefep14-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA9813C4D3 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:29:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [80.99.119.201]) by viefep14-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071128162906.QBTH19327.viefep14-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.104]> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:29:06 +0100 Message-ID: <474D9751.6020108@shopzeus.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:29:05 +0100 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: skype cannot login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:29:09 -0000 Hi All, My network configuration is a bit odd: Internet ------- SMC Hardware Router -------- (192.168.1.0/225.255.255.0) ----------- FreeBSD Gateway ----------- (192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0) ----------- Client computer - skype is running on the client computer. - The FreeBSD Gateway is a computer with two NIC cards, running natd, and named - The client computer is 6.3-PRERELEASE i386 using linux compatibility mode for skype I can access everything on the internet from the client. Here are some things that I tried: - ping - nslookup - smtp - imaps - www All the above work fine. However, when I try to login with skype, it tells me "Logging in failed". When I try to register a new user, it tells me "Register failed" with friendly red letters. Do you have any idea what is the problem with my configuration? It might be that skype cannot do NAT traversal through two NATs? BTW, the client computer uses NFS to mount /, but I hope this is not related to the problem. Thanks, Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 16:54:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB51316A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:54:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schiz0phrenic21@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E2713C45A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:54:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schiz0phrenic21@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so1066413nzf for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=gBlMv9zROWQCtqKNonay8JynNC6eyxsLwQ97oiL/svM=; b=vgX2CRUOX3Z+UuxqshzKrwIHprPjLCWyiFut2kz7Xc6hRStL7c7U/vpuQfXocRYeW1CwNcYdXrYjyBCeCsolfifh5yPvFq6gKxmXp/Z+L0ur+OzlbA14ZD3kzhVRKEx5UmXzLY3mtbGL0awwnBbj5rCh0BNGuCsLRTg2vqKlKhU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QIvY2ZibkcW193woXKTfkUuBIgqbGnIpGN+KlgaY9ONHrp3y8+nQyj8+phFT0aSYwNVkwj/ys4pGPuUh7knfoMle48vKETN3+IMz7DD1q8x0r+oplBsDjf3fX6RmImxx8rIpGC8HWgsMrK2x4TxM9z2KVFYY2yDdkzaAri+/ugI= Received: by 10.114.130.1 with SMTP id c1mr154283wad.1196268860651; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.55.11 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:54:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8d23ec860711280854t6edb341fuef3d0881a0e0a3b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:54:20 -0500 From: Schiz0 To: "Philip M. Gollucci" In-Reply-To: <474D7156.6090502@riderway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d23ec860711280454x72f3fa64k10ed8ee8fc33f7c7@mail.gmail.com> <474D7156.6090502@riderway.com> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Kernel Compile Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:54:26 -0000 On Nov 28, 2007 8:47 AM, Philip M. Gollucci wrote: > Schiz0 wrote: > > Hey, > > > > I'm running FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE. I recently csuped the source code > > (src-all) and built world. > > I then tried to "make buildkernel", and it ran for a little while, > > then gave the following error and stopped: > > > > http://schiz0.securityexploits.com/make.buildkernel.out > > The error is at the bottom - that is the log of the entire buildkernel process. > I see no error -- looks like you didnt' copy enough of it. > use -DNO_CLEAN to skip all the rm -f stuff at the start when you post > the new output. > Hey, That make.buildkernel.out is the entire output of that make buildkernel process. I used "script /root/make.buildkernel.out" to record it, then just copied the file to my web server. I didn't manually copy/paste or edit anything out. I cleared /usr/obj/ and ran "make cleandir" twice, as the Handbook says to. I then recompiled world without any error. I ran "make -DNO_CLEAN buildkernel KERNCONF=my kernel config" and got the following output: http://schiz0.securityexploits.com/make.buildkernel2.out It doesn't look like it provides any more information than the previous output did. It's obviously some error with the COMPAT_LINUX option in the kernel config. Thanks for the help and the quick reply, ~Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 17:17:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542C216A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from EXHUB015-3.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-3.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8E713C469 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@ridecharge.com) Received: from philip.hq.rws (74.93.213.161) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.0.744.0; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:17:38 -0800 Message-ID: <474DA2B0.5010709@riderway.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:17:36 -0500 From: "Philip M. Gollucci" Organization: Riderway Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070919) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Schiz0 References: <8d23ec860711280454x72f3fa64k10ed8ee8fc33f7c7@mail.gmail.com> <474D7156.6090502@riderway.com> <8d23ec860711280854t6edb341fuef3d0881a0e0a3b5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8d23ec860711280854t6edb341fuef3d0881a0e0a3b5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Philip M. Gollucci" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Kernel Compile Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:17:39 -0000 Schiz0 wrote: > On Nov 28, 2007 8:47 AM, Philip M. Gollucci wrote: >> Schiz0 wrote: >>> Hey, >>> >>> I'm running FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE. I recently csuped the source code >>> (src-all) and built world. >>> I then tried to "make buildkernel", and it ran for a little while, >>> then gave the following error and stopped: >>> >>> http://schiz0.securityexploits.com/make.buildkernel.out >>> The error is at the bottom - that is the log of the entire buildkernel process. >> I see no error -- looks like you didnt' copy enough of it. >> use -DNO_CLEAN to skip all the rm -f stuff at the start when you post >> the new output. >> linux_ipc.o(.text+0x8e4):/usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:583: undefined reference to `__semctl'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0x918): In function `linux_msgsnd':^M /usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:600: undefined reference to `msgsnd'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0x94e): In function `linux_msgrcv':^M /usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:619: undefined reference to `msgrcv'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0x970): In function `linux_msgget':^M /usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:632: undefined reference to `msgget'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0x9d2): In function `linux_msgctl':^M /usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:650: undefined reference to `kern_msgctl'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0xa4d): In function `linux_shmat':^M /usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:680: undefined reference to `shmat'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0xaae): In function `linux_shmdt':^M /usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:699: undefined reference to `shmdt'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0xad6): In function `linux_shmget':^M /usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:714: undefined reference to `shmget'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0xb18): In function `linux_shmctl':^M /usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:733: undefined reference to `kern_shmctl'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0xb68):/usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:748: undefined reference to `kern_shmctl'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0xbb0):/usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:761: undefined reference to `kern_shmctl'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0xc00):/usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:773: undefined reference to `kern_shmctl'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0xc7c):/usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:792: undefined reference to `kern_shmctl'^M linux_ipc.o(.text+0xcd2):/usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ipc.c:808: more undefined references to `kern_shmctl' follow^M Add these 3 to your kernel config file near the end. Don't use the -DNO_CLEAN when you build this time. That was just to cut down on the output in the log file (or when you intentionally don't want to delete the build from the previous attempt or success) options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Philip M. Gollucci (philip@ridecharge.com) o:703.549.2050x206 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com / http://ridecharge.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 17:52:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD5F16A420 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:52:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmaxwell@uni-mart.com) Received: from lentil.epix.net (lentil.epix.net [199.224.64.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D1513C468 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmaxwell@uni-mart.com) Received: from [10.10.100.2] (plns-207-7-181-73-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net [207.7.181.73]) by lentil.epix.net (8.13.8/2007101501/PL) with ESMTP id lASHXmDf007035 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:33:48 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <00E08FD8-A649-41AA-B752-DDE5526E8824@uni-mart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jeff Maxwell Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:33:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: remove X11 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:52:44 -0000 I have X11 installed on a server 6.1. Is there an easy way to remove it all? Do I have to remove each package individually? Jeff Maxwell POS Department Manager Uni-Marts, LLC VM 814-234-6000 Fax 570-829-4390 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 18:24:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A7A16A41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A4E13C45A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so1935579uge for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:24:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EB0tLCMwGBM24psqx5vOPu7KZYSoBiSzSJUncDHuhmA=; b=MNSGCAv0FxspZ4N6TNQUKnkJzT5RZ7dpjyoX36yMDO6V/QfJe/oruxGdgiUzQXYk6hRmmgAj56YEadL/KVT1SSa3mce8hswTm0H/ZxB3SbmyyW4RBvfE2djT2E8DhAH4eUHm+32j0e33dxge+TkABC36u41M73/a05rtOywO4v4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bNkyzoYREPtKuf1TQpoathFJ7t3rlpAIORZB5RCyvPqf6Zjxq9z1q18wAnRcEsyJg9qDkRM10Iv3R7eZpiJUou7TbEE9YySn+2MhRx7sa0M/BXq3RD3JvtAclh/dVX78oMAVv9RprbLDlqiyG/CGVl88ppI0vnTM7ct0To9HAVs= Received: by 10.66.222.9 with SMTP id u9mr375984ugg.1196274249449; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.220.16 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:24:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a0711281024j266a0177s45178548eabe1357@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:24:09 +0000 From: Chris To: "Kris Kennaway" In-Reply-To: <474D40F4.3090409@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c82f89$fb9b40a0$0200a8c0@satellite> <4749FDE0.9030902@netscape.net> <474A9DCD.6020500@FreeBSD.org> <3aaaa3a0711260734tb0a46a3kac3b423bfd89582b@mail.gmail.com> <474B4610.5020702@FreeBSD.org> <3aaaa3a0711280211g1a44172bi117ea3ee95f729bb@mail.gmail.com> <474D40F4.3090409@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Tore Lund , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:24:15 -0000 On 28/11/2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Unfortunately both of these are not high quality PR submissions, which > is probably why no action has been taken yet. At least in the first one > you give a "how to repeat" that I was able to follow, but in general > when you encounter a panic you should be providing the backtrace and/or > other debugging information requested here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html > > The second PR is basically null as written since it cannot be reproduced > and no debugging information was submitted. If you are interested in > proceeding with it, please reproduce and obtain the necessary kernel > debugging. Otherwise we should close it. > > Does the patch I sent you solve the first problem? > > Kris > > Ok the patch hasnt stopped the watch crashing in addition the reboot I did after compiling the new kernel also caused a crash and there was defenitly no fsck running in the background when I did the reboot. Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: fault virtual address = 0x24 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: fault code = supervisor read, page not present Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: instruction pointer = 0x20:0xc3f84262 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: stack pointer = 0x28:0xde0c2b34 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: frame pointer = 0x28:0xde0c2b88 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: current process = 901 (sh) Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: trap number = 12 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: panic: page fault Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: cpuid = 0 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Uptime: 49m19s Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Physical memory: 723 MB Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Dumping 122 MB: 107 91 75 59 43 27 11 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Dump complete Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort I will post back later when I have more debug information for you. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 18:24:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DB816A498 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodolfopellegrino@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08D713C4F3 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodolfopellegrino@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so1935579uge for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:24:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=tQG1FI2grqdYQ/nTItXdSyQ6FjCGRHLKv9ULLlgD7qk=; b=xUJwYJXVZmxQOSBrdFbWYUYdzJRAAQcD24vsDxD0dRxGPARKqGzKe6tVmipRPdmK4C7G191D41fseUOaeldF6B4anWDYbTimQ3u6ZSrTRPXFDSn2Xic6w7a272M4Ce/iVb1c2I0hHDJ9MvQbPDUSTiYKInT4G7KkL8KQ9nef0nI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZChWrCDw0RX3Gk4IIoXVpYKwR5UoKRARqbZkwGCDfbW4b8Es5xDaY6sxdP4v/OqnmsY+h1tXTTpHcOC4/XgAmNWsivsP/lJLBEEdfTziwcocgT7oRaHQesOhqoKHvs8wT/7OCb0vf+WRlVhRxCIB6wqQVpZUb6U3DV7OPyCssbo= Received: by 10.78.157.19 with SMTP id f19mr5901265hue.1196272800042; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.144.13 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:59:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2cad60ad0711280959w759d9a1cq1cab157333528f63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:59:59 -0200 From: "Rodolfo Pellegrino" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <474D9751.6020108@shopzeus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <474D9751.6020108@shopzeus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: skype cannot login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:24:30 -0000 On Nov 28, 2007 2:29 PM, Laszlo Nagy wrote: > > Hi All, > > My network configuration is a bit odd: > > Internet ------- SMC Hardware Router -------- > (192.168.1.0/225.255.255.0) ----------- FreeBSD Gateway ----------- > (192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0) ----------- Client computer > > > - skype is running on the client computer. > - The FreeBSD Gateway is a computer with two NIC cards, running natd, > and named > - The client computer is 6.3-PRERELEASE i386 using linux compatibility > mode for skype > > I can access everything on the internet from the client. Here are some > things that I tried: > > - ping > - nslookup > - smtp > - imaps > - www > > All the above work fine. However, when I try to login with skype, it > tells me "Logging in failed". When I try to register a new user, it > tells me "Register failed" with friendly red letters. > > Do you have any idea what is the problem with my configuration? It might > be that skype cannot do NAT traversal through two NATs? > > BTW, the client computer uses NFS to mount /, but I hope this is not > related to the problem. > > Thanks, > > Laszlo > > Lazlo, I've found a similar problem, but in Skype there are a configuration in "Tools" that tells Skype the port to use. Try port 80 as I did and worked. 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Here are some >> things that I tried: >> >> - ping >> - nslookup >> - smtp >> - imaps >> - www >> >> All the above work fine. However, when I try to login with skype, it >> tells me "Logging in failed". When I try to register a new user, it >> tells me "Register failed" with friendly red letters. >> >> Do you have any idea what is the problem with my configuration? It might >> be that skype cannot do NAT traversal through two NATs? >> >> BTW, the client computer uses NFS to mount /, but I hope this is not >> related to the problem. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Laszlo >> >> Lazlo, >> > > I've found a similar problem, but in Skype there are a configuration in > "Tools" that tells Skype the port to use. Try port 80 as I did and worked. > All items in the "tools" menu are greyed out for me, except for "Select Language". I see an item called "Options..." but it is not available. Skype version is: 1.2.0.18_API Thanks, Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 18:40:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD6416A420 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from viefep15-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B99413C4D9 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:40:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [80.99.119.201]) by viefep15-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071128184025.BQA13420.viefep15-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.104]>; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:40:25 +0100 Message-ID: <474DB618.7010603@shopzeus.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:40:24 +0100 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Maxwell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <00E08FD8-A649-41AA-B752-DDE5526E8824@uni-mart.com> In-Reply-To: <00E08FD8-A649-41AA-B752-DDE5526E8824@uni-mart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: remove X11 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:40:33 -0000 Jeff Maxwell wrote: > I have X11 installed on a server 6.1. > > Is there an easy way to remove it all? > > Do I have to remove each package individually? Suppose you have installed the xorg server, you could remove it easily. But it also matters how you installed. If you did it from ports, you can probably cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg make deinstall I recommend that you read these manual pages: pkg_info pkg_add pkg_delete pkg_deinstall (might not be on your system) Best, Laszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 19:04:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB1216A46C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742D813C455 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD473EBC3C; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:04:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:04:10 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Jeff Maxwell Message-Id: <20071128140410.d5dd90df.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <474DB618.7010603@shopzeus.com> References: <00E08FD8-A649-41AA-B752-DDE5526E8824@uni-mart.com> <474DB618.7010603@shopzeus.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: remove X11 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:04:13 -0000 In response to Laszlo Nagy : > Jeff Maxwell wrote: > > I have X11 installed on a server 6.1. > > > > Is there an easy way to remove it all? > > > > Do I have to remove each package individually? I highly recommend the pkg_cutleaves port, which makes this kind of thing many orders of magnitude easier. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 19:20:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03BD16A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QV=cc856efa@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from turtle-out.mxes.net (turtle-out.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE2A13C4EF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QV=cc856efa@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by turtle-in.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7DD1646EC for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417A0D0501 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:54:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:54:06 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071128185406.415d0bca@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <474DB618.7010603@shopzeus.com> References: <00E08FD8-A649-41AA-B752-DDE5526E8824@uni-mart.com> <474DB618.7010603@shopzeus.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: remove X11 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:20:19 -0000 On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:40:24 +0100 Laszlo Nagy wrote: > Jeff Maxwell wrote: > > I have X11 installed on a server 6.1. > > > > Is there an easy way to remove it all? > > > > Do I have to remove each package individually? > Suppose you have installed the xorg server, you could remove it > easily. But it also matters how you installed. If you did it from > ports, you can probably > > cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg > make deinstall > That just deletes the metaport (which is purely a list of dependencies), try: ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 19:24:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B946C16A46E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdavtaker@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9A313C513 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdavtaker@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so1339676rvb for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:24:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=VmeW0M1hWlAy4yPZJ9WF/e9GyRevdHmvkT0i8OWoWBE=; b=gv952pj3gbLG5zTNNQzzLMVr/GXwaZghZ4vZxBO4zsPY3KNzlE667bEDBlkc9VxwgP5ilf97UtqwiqgfEeDOYITUztvE0Q00SZVvIAMTYeXRN+SljhODZdLRIL4g2i/CzquDHvmgKNoM0yVWNP2owBiftwstfnA1Hqpu6B0Us6s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RyEDcNkd6IOvRuXbTXiG8/ZpKInzwPeSW5AXrXJbUcI31c2fFX8LHMKxDbeotp5SchpR4NAVznFpEYmlQfr7CfFdF61icBLFu+am/bbHpp4e8KncOweQA7AKwVRMKto6Enks1/INqXN0/jmML52JVa2YeSuh6UNsAURBGbXJyoo= Received: by 10.140.139.11 with SMTP id m11mr2778427rvd.1196276356856; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.70.20 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:59:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:59:16 -0300 From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Sd=C3=A4vtaker?=" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: looking for syscalls especifications X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:24:21 -0000 Hello. I was wondering if there is any place where i can get the specifications used to write the syscalls. I was reading the syscalls.master and it only says the number and name of the syscall, and only few are documented at man. Any idea who could have that kind of documentation? As example, what determines the permitions of a just created file? (From experiments i got they 000) same with the otehr almost 5000 syscalls :-/ Thanks for any help. Sdav From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 19:26:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F7416A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:26:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from viefep12-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE5513C458 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:26:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [80.99.119.201]) by viefep12-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071128192637.XAPH13817.viefep12-int.chello.at@[192.168.1.104]> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:26:37 +0100 Message-ID: <474DC0EC.4080700@shopzeus.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:26:36 +0100 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <00E08FD8-A649-41AA-B752-DDE5526E8824@uni-mart.com> <474DB618.7010603@shopzeus.com> <20071128185406.415d0bca@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20071128185406.415d0bca@gumby.homeunix.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: remove X11 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:26:40 -0000 >>> Do I have to remove each package individually? >>> >> Suppose you have installed the xorg server, you could remove it >> easily. But it also matters how you installed. If you did it from >> ports, you can probably >> >> cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg >> make deinstall >> >> > > That just deletes the metaport (which is purely a list of dependencies), > try: > > ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves > I stand corrected. :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 19:32:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0291D16A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:32:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galenz@zinkconsulting.com) Received: from host.zinkconsulting.com (host.zinkconsulting.com [209.59.162.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A7C13C44B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galenz@zinkconsulting.com) Received: from [76.104.240.26] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by host.zinkconsulting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IxRW1-0005dP-KS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:20:05 -0500 Message-Id: <354DE91A-5523-4195-9E39-916BEE1139ED@zinkconsulting.com> From: "galenz@zinkconsulting.com" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:20:02 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.zinkconsulting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zinkconsulting.com Subject: Advanced Routing/Firewall Interface Options for FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:32:49 -0000 Hello, I am trying to combine my file server and router into a single box. Before you tell me this is a bad idea, let me remind you this is a personal installation (not intensive file serving) and the machine and NICs are fairly beefy. FreeBSD 7 supports ZFS. From there, NFS and Samba are easy. I've been using Solaris for this, but it's rather archaic in many ways, and the only reason I use it is for the stable ZFS support. Everything else in Solaris - given my needs - is a poor match. Can anybody suggest what options there are for having a router/ firewall configuration interface placed atop FreeBSD 7 with ZFS? I want something along the lines of pfSense (GUI for traffic shaping, hopefully setup a simple VPN) that can also serve files and perhaps run some software that puts free CPU cycles to use. Maybe I might run Apache/MySQL for testing a few sites locally. Any ideas? pfSense is not designed to work atop a standard FreeBSD distribution, nor is m0n0wall, and even if I used or modified their integrated distribution, I suspect it lacks ZFS support. -Galen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 19:57:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0F416A41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A91713C46A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2067913waf for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:57:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=6hOdeAylYUfFACuTfLtiZXIYzVRW/kmmdCnUtMc8Gkc=; b=TpFpg3ZHrtiKmQRmLiey/uCUfi/tJXqwPSHi3Oy3mDR5jWNwIXeDegg7iUduj/zdTcc2sgwvdYYJap8h0srrK90479D5pByH+DTgMzF2pmDQC5+tOERkT31Zk0Duin+GPgroKQyF2mbzvHiwYfpqfZP9l8XMV8FIOl4dHavWsuU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Npp5Yj57SzH2MNAXhN+nJuRwK1zBoWsh+LoRusoTg7vIDiBT6Um9pPIR/5V14xxrkEk5Ipd4FIwTybKOxL1E0p8ro64yu4Orn16OeoQVeM1V99RvnJaYrVsBmemilGlwIGeQdwRn1EvzIbdcQg+gJy19VunUq8MSfI1brH6R37I= Received: by 10.114.197.1 with SMTP id u1mr462382waf.1196278171315; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.147.4 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:29:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:29:31 +0000 From: Freminlins To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: 7.0 installation, and Xorg in particular X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:22 -0000 I used to find FreeBSD easy. What has happened? I have a couple of machines I usually install new versions on, one is headless the other is a desktop machine (which was a 100% reliable 5.4 installation). I boot the headless machine using floppies, then install across the net. But something has happened such that I now need five floppies, and I have to put the boot one in at least twice. This wasn't the case previously. It now reminds me of an OS/2 installation with its floppy shuffling. Then for my desktop machine. sysinstall crashes if I try to install x.org. So I do a pkg_add -r xorg. After about 70 packages I give up. I only used to have about 65 packages in total on my old desktop, now I need more than 70 and I haven't even got x windows up yet. So I go off and have a look and discover that x.org 7.x is modular - " http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/unix/bsd/archives/xorg-72-on-freebsd-13661". This fellow is talking about 300 packages just for x.org! This is nuts. No two ways about it. Whoever decided to do this needs their head (or heads) examined. It used to be so simple. Now it's not. If x.org didn't work for some reason I wouldn't want to track down which of hundreds of packages is missing. Who would? Also, I noticed that python as well as perl was being installed. Is not one scripting language enough for x.org? Why are two needed? I am really frustrated. I don't understand how installing X* this way is supposed to be an improvement. What does it actually give me that I didn't have before? Note my old system was reliable, as is my desktop at work (a 6.2 machine). I was so frustrated that I gave up installing 7 on my home desktop and am now in Windows land. It just seems so pointless. It reminds me of the nastiness of Gnome, which has bazillions of packages, and Gnome needs nearly all of them so why make them separate? I've done enough head banging tonight. Maybe Xfree86 is still available. I haven't looked yet. Frem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 19:57:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205E416A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C699F13C468 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071128195740.IPDA28763.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@corinth.polands.org>; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:40 +0000 Received: from email.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lASJve4X031024; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:57:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from 208.49.58.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user djp) by email.polands.org with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:57:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <39878.208.49.58.254.1196279860.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <474C8AA0.7090701@FreeBSD.org> References: <62327.208.49.58.254.1196108813.squirrel@email.polands.org> <19181.208.49.58.254.1196111022.squirrel@email.polands.org> <21304.208.49.58.254.1196173362.squirrel@email.polands.org> <474C8AA0.7090701@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:57:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Doug Poland" To: "Kris Kennaway" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4945/Wed Nov 28 12:24:51 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Doug Poland , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3 (SOLVED) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:42 -0000 On Tue, November 27, 2007 15:22, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Doug Poland wrote: >> On Mon, November 26, 2007 15:03, Doug Poland wrote: >>> On Mon, November 26, 2007 14:26, Doug Poland wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset >>>> shortly after starting X11. I didn't think much of it and went >>>> to get a cup of coffee while the background fsck took care of >>>> the file systems. >>>> >>>> Unforunately, something's still broke. At first, when I tried >>>> to access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics >>>> similar to: >>>> >>>> mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp >>>> panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc >>>> cpuid = 0 >>>> Uptime: 9s >>>> Physical memory: 3435 MB >>>> Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. >>>> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 >>>> >>>> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - >>>> press a key on the console to abort >>>> >>>> >>>> After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems >>>> weren't really clean after several manual runs of fsck. So I >>>> disabled softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those >>>> file systems again. After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit >>>> the filesystem again, this time getting a panic: >>>> >>>> panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch >>>> cpuid = 1 >>>> Uptime: 6m40s >>>> Physical memory: 3435 MB >>>> Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error. >>>> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 >>>> >>>> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - >>>> press a key on the console to abort >>>> >>>> Is there a way to identify and fix these errors? I'm thinking >>>> a newfs of both /var and /tmp is in order. I don't really care >>>> about /tmp, and I've backed up /var using dump(8). My concern >>>> is if I restore /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll >>>> restore my broken files and have the same problem again. >>>> >>> Just a follow-up... Everytime I run a manual fsck on the >>> problem filesystems, it returns: >>> >>> >>> BLK(S) MISSING IN BITMAPS SALVAGE? >>> >>> ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** >>> >>> >>> So it would appear that fsck is unable to repair damage, is that >>> correct? >>> >> Well, having stumped all the experts, I decided to reinstall from >> 7.0-BETA3 CD-ROM. After a few minutes of writing to the disk after >> newfs, I got more panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch errors. >> Since the device I'm writing to is a 3-day old Maxtor OneTouch III >> external HD, I've decided it must be a hardware failure and am >> returing the drive. >> >> > > Yes, for whatever reason FreeBSD is unable to reliably perform I/O to > the drive (hence the errors dumping). > > Kris > New external harddrive solved the problem quite nicely. -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 20:10:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF7E16A468 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4756F13C467 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IxTER-0004WI-6o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:10:03 +0000 Received: from 78-0-78-190.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.0.78.190]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:10:03 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-0-78-190.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:10:03 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:08:37 +0100 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <354DE91A-5523-4195-9E39-916BEE1139ED@zinkconsulting.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig011AE47C41F9AA372451DA44" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-0-78-190.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) In-Reply-To: <354DE91A-5523-4195-9E39-916BEE1139ED@zinkconsulting.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Sender: news Subject: Re: Advanced Routing/Firewall Interface Options for FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:10:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig011AE47C41F9AA372451DA44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable galenz@zinkconsulting.com wrote: > FreeBSD 7 supports ZFS. From there, NFS and Samba are easy. I've been > using Solaris for this, but it's rather archaic in many ways, and the > only reason I use it is for the stable ZFS support. Everything else in > Solaris - given my needs - is a poor match. People have reported problems with ZFS and NFS and Samba in the past. Test throughly before using (and report problems, if any :) ). --------------enig011AE47C41F9AA372451DA44 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTcrFldnAQVacBcgRAi7HAJoDnUOo+VyeLHFXnuUlfoLCWMfn/QCfZ5hI w8BRsyQTqpiVxbA2xsNraRs= =KvNb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig011AE47C41F9AA372451DA44-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 20:15:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44E316A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:15:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from smtp224.math.arizona.edu (smtp224.math.arizona.edu [128.196.224.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA27413C447 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:15:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from Debian-exim by smtp224.math.arizona.edu with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IxTKt-0001Lc-Ca for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:16:49 -0700 Received: from 71-220-154-82.tcsn.qwest.net ([71.220.154.82] helo=.domain.actdsltmp) by smtp224.math.arizona.edu with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IxTKl-0001LK-Gd; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:16:35 -0700 Message-ID: <474DCC58.8030808@math.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:15:20 -0700 From: Predrag Punosevac User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070916) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freminlins References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ACL-Warn: The HELO/EHLO greeting .domain.actdsltmp is invalid X-Outgoing-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.0 installation, and Xorg in particular X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:15:44 -0000 Freminlins wrote: > I used to find FreeBSD easy. What has happened? I have a couple of machines > I usually install new versions on, one is headless the other is a desktop > machine (which was a 100% reliable 5.4 installation). I boot the headless > machine using floppies, then install across the net. But something has > happened such that I now need five floppies, and I have to put the boot one > in at least twice. This wasn't the case previously. It now reminds me of an > OS/2 installation with its floppy shuffling. > > Then for my desktop machine. sysinstall crashes if I try to install x.org. > So I do a pkg_add -r xorg. After about 70 packages I give up. I only used to > have about 65 packages in total on my old desktop, now I need more than 70 > and I haven't even got x windows up yet. So I go off and have a look and > discover that x.org 7.x is modular - " > http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/unix/bsd/archives/xorg-72-on-freebsd-13661". This > fellow is talking about 300 packages just for x.org! This is nuts. No two > ways about it. Whoever decided to do this needs their head (or heads) > examined. It used to be so simple. Now it's not. If x.org didn't work for > some reason I wouldn't want to track down which of hundreds of packages is > missing. Who would? Also, I noticed that python as well as perl was being > installed. Is not one scripting language enough for x.org? Why are two > needed? > > I am really frustrated. I don't understand how installing X* this way is > supposed to be an improvement. What does it actually give me that I didn't > have before? Note my old system was reliable, as is my desktop at work (a > 6.2 machine). I was so frustrated that I gave up installing 7 on my home > desktop and am now in Windows land. It just seems so pointless. It reminds > me of the nastiness of Gnome, which has bazillions of packages, and Gnome > needs nearly all of them so why make them separate? > > I've done enough head banging tonight. Maybe Xfree86 is still available. I > haven't looked yet. > > > Frem. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > NetBSD still uses Xfree86 and complete installation including X is 200Mb. All packages of NetBSD are adjusted to use Xfree86. You system install crashed probably because of false assumptions on your part during the installation. 7.0 beta is NOT release. Xorg should be installed after the installation using ports or pkg_add . Ports three should be taken after the installation by portsnap utility. As of number of floppies I really could not comment on it. I did FTP installation that went without a hitch but booted a computer from the 5Mb CD. I really like OpenBSD FTP installation and the fact that you need only one floppy but in total they have five floppies depends on the type of machine you want to boot and for some you will need I think three. I do not know if creation of such specialized boot floppies would be possible for FreeBSD. It seems that younger generation does not even use floppies any more:-) What can I say. Major part of your letter is concerning XOrg which is not really a part of OS. Yes they went modular and made some significant changes. Best, Predrag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 20:23:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452CD16A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2C113C4DD for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:23:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASKNHYo040953; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:23:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id lASKNH0S040952; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:23:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:23:17 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Norberto Meijome Message-ID: <20071128202316.GA40605@thought.org> References: <20071128060150.GA34147@thought.org> <20071128174144.39886519@meijome.net> <20071128082915.GA35450@thought.org> <20071128202054.71363d08@meijome.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071128202054.71363d08@meijome.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: UPgrade FAILS (was: Re: can anybody explain?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:23:19 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:20:54PM +1100, Norberto Meijome wrote: > On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:29:15 -0800 > Gary Kline wrote: > > > I think it has to do with that "autoload" {or whatever} is the > > first thing that appears after the square box of options. > > I only saw the string for a n instant; it may have been overwritten. I finally caught the *first* part of the boot string; it was "ACPI" [followed by some error on loading this.] Long story short, I was fairly sure that "ACPI ... " string was causing my upgrade to 6.3 to fail. I explicitly disabled it with the ``hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" hint and rebooted. No more ACPI ... string but the boot *still* hung after printing sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 to the console. In /var/log/messages there was more: sio0: type 8250 or not responding I'm upgrading to RELENG_7 and will rebuild, but if anyboody know what that last line means, and how to resolve, I'd be much obliged! gary PS: Odds are that version 7 will hang, too, but dunno until I try. > > not sure what you mean by this...but i haven't been following the whole saga, sorry... > > > I'm using cvsup7. Not good? > > not sure mate, i'm using #5 with no problems, but getting releng_7 > *default host=cvsup5.FreeBSD.org > *default base=/var/db > *default prefix=/usr > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7 > *default delete use-rel-suffix > > cheers, > B > > _________________________ > {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome > > "The only people that never change are the stupid and the dead" > Jorge Luis Borges. > > I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 20:29:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0881016A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:29:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FDC13C4CC for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071128202938.OOBH12162.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@corinth.polands.org> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:29:38 +0000 Received: from email.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lASKTcJf031164 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:29:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from 208.49.58.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user djp) by email.polands.org with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:29:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:29:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Doug Poland" To: questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4945/Wed Nov 28 12:24:51 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:29:40 -0000 Hello, I have a freshly installed 7.0-BETA3 i386 system and am having issues with firefox 2.0.0.9. Upon launching /usr/local/bin/firefox from a command line I am immediately returned a cursor with an error code of 1. % /usr/local/bin/firefox % echo $? 1 I debugged both /usr/local/bin/firefox and /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh until I found the debugger option, which I tried: /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb # /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g \ /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/lib/firefox LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_linux_plugins:/usr/local/lib/firefox DISPLAY=:0.0 DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/components:/usr/local/lib/firefox SHLIB_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox LIBPATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox ADDON_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox MOZ_PROGRAM=/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin MOZ_TOOLKIT= moz_debug=1 moz_debugger= /usr/bin/gdb /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -x /tmp/mozargs.VoVJBX GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging symbols found)... (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 100191] (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New Thread 0x29a01100 (LWP 100191)] (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 100191] Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. [Switching to LWP 100191] Cannot remove breakpoints because program is no longer writable. It might be running in another process. Further execution is probably impossible. 0x2805c3e0 in ?? () from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 I did some googling but nothing interesting turned up. I find it curious that the latest build of Thunderbird works, but linux-firefox fails like it's native sibling. All help is appreciated... -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 20:52:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A43C16A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FE713C447 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IxTts-0005DI-Cb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:52:52 +0000 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with SMTP id lASKqp0b018972 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:52:51 GMT Received: (qmail 1772 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Nov 2007 20:52:46 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:52:45 +0000 To: Jeff Maxwell Message-ID: <20071128205245.GA1309@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <00E08FD8-A649-41AA-B752-DDE5526E8824@uni-mart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00E08FD8-A649-41AA-B752-DDE5526E8824@uni-mart.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:52:51 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: remove X11 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:52:57 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 12:33:47PM -0500, Jeff Maxwell wrote: > > I have X11 installed on a server 6.1. > > Is there an easy way to remove it all? > > Do I have to remove each package individually? > You could probably make a good start with: # pkg_deinstall -rf xorg-\* check 1st what it will deinstall (without actually deinstalling): # pkg_deinstall -frn xorg-\* Finally, you want to: # echo "WITHOUT_X11=yes" >> /etc/make.conf to stop yourself accidentally installing stuff based on X in the future. -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 21:01:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AF616A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:01:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from conn-smtp.mc.mpls.visi.com (conn.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C8913C465 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:01:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from mail.tcbug.org (mail.tcbug.org [208.42.70.163]) by conn-smtp.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE667934; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from build64.tcbug.org (unknown [208.42.70.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.tcbug.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F8A10AA85A; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:33 -0600 (CST) From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:28 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <474D7759.2070200@riderway.com> In-Reply-To: <474D7759.2070200@riderway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2393661.DE5MDDux0d"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200711281501.32594.josh@tcbug.org> Cc: =?iso-8859-1?q?F=E9lix_Langelier?= , "Philip M. Gollucci" Subject: Re: Network Configuration with Jails. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:01:37 -0000 --nextPart2393661.DE5MDDux0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 28 November 2007 08:12:41 am Philip M. Gollucci wrote: > F=E9lix Langelier wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I run a FreeBSD Jailer and I want to have multiple jails in 2 seperate > > networks. The server has 2 network interfaces and each of them are > > connected in a different network. Say vlan1 and vlan2. > > > > My problem is that all the network traffic is going through the first > > interface (vlan1). What I need is that a jail in vlan1 can't communicate > > with a jail in vlan2 (and vice-versa). > > > > Is it possible to split the network traffic in the right interfaces and > > use a diffrent default gateway for each of them ? > > > > Here is my /etc/rc.d configuration. > > > > defaultrouter=3D"192.168.1.1" > > > > static_routes=3D"vlan1 vlan2" > > route_vlan1=3D"-net 192.168.1.0/24 192.168.1.1" > > route_vlan2=3D"-net 192.168.2.0/24 192.168.2.1" > > > > # vlan1 interface config. > > ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > ifconfig_bge0_alias0=3D"192.168.1.11 netmask 255.255.255.255" > > > > # vlan2 interface config. > > ifconfig_bge1=3D"inet 192.168.2.10 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > ifconfig_bge1_alias0=3D"inet 192.168.2.11 netmask 255.255.255.255" > > > > I tried to remove the default gateway but then the server was > > unreachable. I am thinking of using pf to resolve my issue. > > Removing the default gateway will work, but you have to add back > _similiar_ routes, you can't just remove it. PF is probably the way to go. In particular using route-to to send traffic= =20 originating from 192.168.2.0/24 to 192.168.2.1 I'm not totally sure what your static routes even accomplish. The kernel w= ill=20 establish routes for directly connected networks automatically. So probably some rules of interest.... # keep jails from talking to each other block in on bge0 from 192.168.2.0/24 to 192.168.1.0/24 block in on bge1 from 192.168.1.0/24 to 192.168.2.0/24 # ignore the default route pass out route-to (bge1 192.168.2.1) from 192.168.2.0/24 to ! 192.168.2.0/2= 4 \ keep state # redundant because of the default route # which actually does what we want pass out route-to (bge0 192.168.1.1) from 192.168.1.0/24 to ! 192.168.1.0/2= 4 \ keep state =2D-=20 Thanks, Josh Paetzel PGP: 8A48 EF36 5E9F 4EDA 5A8C 11B4 26F9 01F1 27AF AECB --nextPart2393661.DE5MDDux0d Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHTdcsJvkB8SevrssRAp3jAJ9p5dl3BGEzm4/RgNKpeDT33z9BMQCgjsFS Vs8rk2hgrXexLfjImCDRLFk= =IvGN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2393661.DE5MDDux0d-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 21:25:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7845016A41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:25:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeremy.gransden@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4C413C44B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:25:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeremy.gransden@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so1147435nzf for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:25:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=D4R1KoF4OVAh2U26tIANiY5/WwDCj2e0C9l7jHAicmY=; b=E3p3tsXyiI+OMM4b/YZtFyC2MQ7WugVmxAgwLi9wbda9W5I0YFt14qRYfg8ATHp1hCe3VeXi0w8dEHkX68KAoUjj5ZAXbORTNxwZq9YSNYn/u7wCVoXvrgm7cUqK4oiDvUt9AUG0qcjVGmVolbLEOCgs3Va4BVn7I3XOWOpgWM4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ELqfjARV5ShwBgwHMysjXyBBLtvZ/YXeBYcbhii4teJHVUQUWcfhBmeS5B0MQf3t4pNLdQaJ57v4oqpo/g8mMeER+KrVlV0A48qMnhRvQdtXONRskli5xm1qX+sim9QzgX1Y39LsdKXKcUfbRZfRG+k72VTeHaJw4P8fKNyl8oQ= Received: by 10.114.152.17 with SMTP id z17mr1418090wad.1196283528640; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.91.9 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:58:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <87f7f4170711281258o75f89475v9e7ac0db0b42e244@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:58:48 -0500 From: "Jeremy Gransden" To: "Doug Poland" In-Reply-To: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:25:59 -0000 > > > I did some googling but nothing interesting turned up. I find it > curious that the latest build of Thunderbird works, but linux-firefox > fails like it's native sibling. > > All help is appreciated... > > > > > -- > Regards, > Doug > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > what are the permissions on ~/.mozilla and its contents From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 21:52:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09F816A468 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:52:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schiz0phrenic21@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C369313C4DD for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:52:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schiz0phrenic21@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2115625waf for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:52:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/Si372DIKv0kqWPtheFpcPO2Iq/RFd8XbVtj+lDgK5s=; b=IWnNDDXesk05pExTRjHCeeAfZeWI1K1/Bi+puOWl1OAMsS/atB/B2f8cBJXHEHoQgdGN907O0mVdFskdIlxQs8f7/gKHc6JaY+Sb66zqjPxZeRJkWdrJ9KpniEHX89ABiV/xC54mg6MrOpKB5MiwRmHgsd8ksSfV3zsLPtB2YP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RFwHpWfq/mA3jlRJX+qadtX0TxvQzreHnJpkFrbFukZAHHbkVZpIPOWuATK4dwGsznRzxbMPq7oyzbUqI1yUukHyj2cHSBaScKFKwjmBODgfJTTALBWAjcfyh7ygSKLNg/ILzoNDeKegn7gr6Chfu1z/VZZWo15WYSi7gdC2TZM= Received: by 10.115.59.4 with SMTP id m4mr1478593wak.1196286731139; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.55.11 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:52:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8d23ec860711281352j4929cdc4sc232c04bb36f3b2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:52:11 -0500 From: Schiz0 To: "Philip M. Gollucci" In-Reply-To: <474DA2B0.5010709@riderway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d23ec860711280454x72f3fa64k10ed8ee8fc33f7c7@mail.gmail.com> <474D7156.6090502@riderway.com> <8d23ec860711280854t6edb341fuef3d0881a0e0a3b5@mail.gmail.com> <474DA2B0.5010709@riderway.com> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Kernel Compile Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:52:12 -0000 On Nov 28, 2007 12:17 PM, Philip M. Gollucci wrote: > Schiz0 wrote: > > On Nov 28, 2007 8:47 AM, Philip M. Gollucci wrote: > >> Schiz0 wrote: > >>> Hey, > >>> > >>> I'm running FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE. I recently csuped the source code > >>> (src-all) and built world. > >>> I then tried to "make buildkernel", and it ran for a little while, > >>> then gave the following error and stopped: > >>> > >>> http://schiz0.securityexploits.com/make.buildkernel.out > >>> The error is at the bottom - that is the log of the entire buildkernel process. > >> I see no error -- looks like you didnt' copy enough of it. > >> use -DNO_CLEAN to skip all the rm -f stuff at the start when you post > >> the new output. > >> > > Add these 3 to your kernel config file near the end. Don't use the > -DNO_CLEAN when you build this time. That was just to cut down on the > output in the log file (or when you intentionally don't want to delete > the build from the previous attempt or success) > > options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory > options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues > options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores > Worked perfectly. Thanks. I took those lines out of the kernel config because I wasn't sure what SYSV-style was (And figured I didn't need it since I didn't know what it was, hehe). Thanks for the help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 21:55:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF2916A46B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toreld@netscape.net) Received: from mail48.e.nsc.no (mail48.e.nsc.no [193.213.115.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ED513C474 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toreld@netscape.net) Received: from localhost.isidoros (084202200034.customer.alfanett.no [84.202.200.34]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail48.nsc.no (8.13.8/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASLtJTi024266 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:55:19 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <474DE3B4.9030500@netscape.net> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:55:00 +0100 From: Tore Lund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071122) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> In-Reply-To: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:55:22 -0000 Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I have a freshly installed 7.0-BETA3 i386 system So have I. > and am having issues with firefox 2.0.0.9. FWIW, native firefox-2.0.0.9,1 runs perfectly OK here. -- Tore From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 22:05:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B7516A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D968E13C458 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:05:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so2000960uge for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:05:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=0mi9GHFHTbBoa+B408GQnqyy9n/XUKDoEh+T2YHtbC8=; b=d8bOMB/G/0DtDKeKVaiAA6/ew9sFWb8iuTe7MNRowkPbKut9nAqbb3fALcCLlEiP23IgkkdmV1KVH/t2s9RCQ/k0r9CRkEHQ/Hz9ghlgHATvMW4bKE5rSY8B7g97pJ11BMPbJptRotzljziviRT65s0LpyLv5nHV0OMhgqlthFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=rF7J5Y4oguS2iFx4qRVkuwoz6FJN1tzQAZ4sQm5oPSEHwh6tlvt8FcUPUfUz/GVgmsE2wgSJxi0Whbdymcy+N3HVyJi7c8GmE3g//pHWkVGAgU41AKrvhsh4rPyBSMN2GGOB3mFihtZOT6xt5mr0bGr9KYfgt3qo2xVXVrX+C/k= Received: by 10.142.174.8 with SMTP id w8mr1706831wfe.1196287546682; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.194.10 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:05:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <539c60b90711281405n3edf0124p2570d5b4b36f6cb0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:05:46 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "User Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 88b288951348b344 Subject: ataidle - causing apache & cvs timeouts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevefranks@ieee.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:05:50 -0000 I'm running ataidle on my personal server to save electricity. However, every time it has to spin up a drive whatever I'm accessing (apache, cvs, etc) gives an error instead of waiting for the disk. If I then access it again after a couple seconds once the disk is active it works fine. Any idea how to fix this? Relevant parts of dmesg: ad7: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=640790375 ad7: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA48 retrying (0 retries left) LBA=640790375 ad7: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 timed out LBA=640790375 Thanks, Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 22:20:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD6B16A41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9F213C468 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071128220501.TXMY9760.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@corinth.polands.org>; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:05:01 +0000 Received: from ammon.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lASM4wBh031542; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:04:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ammon.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lASM4w1K053635; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:04:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@ammon.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lASM4wsp053634; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:04:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:04:57 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: Jeremy Gransden Message-ID: <20071128220457.GA53615@polands.org> References: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> <87f7f4170711281258o75f89475v9e7ac0db0b42e244@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87f7f4170711281258o75f89475v9e7ac0db0b42e244@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4948/Wed Nov 28 14:42:33 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:20:07 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 03:58:48PM -0500, Jeremy Gransden wrote: > > > > > > I did some googling but nothing interesting turned up. I find it > > curious that the latest build of Thunderbird works, but linux-firefox > > fails like it's native sibling. > > > > All help is appreciated... > > > > > > what are the permissions on ~/.mozilla and its contents > ~/.mozilla 700 ~/.mozzilla/firefox 700 ~/.mozilla/plugins 755 -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 22:26:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B672516A46C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0692413C4D1; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:26:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <474DEB17.5000200@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:26:31 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stevefranks@ieee.org References: <539c60b90711281405n3edf0124p2570d5b4b36f6cb0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <539c60b90711281405n3edf0124p2570d5b4b36f6cb0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: ataidle - causing apache & cvs timeouts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:26:21 -0000 Steve Franks wrote: > I'm running ataidle on my personal server to save electricity. > However, every time it has to spin up a drive whatever I'm accessing > (apache, cvs, etc) gives an error instead of waiting for the disk. If > I then access it again after a couple seconds once the disk is active > it works fine. Any idea how to fix this? > > Relevant parts of dmesg: > > ad7: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=640790375 > ad7: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA48 retrying (0 retries left) LBA=640790375 > ad7: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 timed out LBA=640790375 Hack the code to increase the timeout or number of retries. Evidently your drive is taking too long to spin up when powered down. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 22:34:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5F916A51C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: from mail.cepheid.org (aleph.cepheid.org [72.232.60.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079FC13C4E3 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: by mail.cepheid.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 26A349B4057; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:34:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:34:20 -0600 From: Erik Osterholm To: Ivan Voras Message-ID: <20071128223420.GA90523@aleph.cepheid.org> Mail-Followup-To: Erik Osterholm , Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <354DE91A-5523-4195-9E39-916BEE1139ED@zinkconsulting.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Routing/Firewall Interface Options for FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:34:22 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:08:37PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > galenz@zinkconsulting.com wrote: > > > FreeBSD 7 supports ZFS. From there, NFS and Samba are easy. I've been > > using Solaris for this, but it's rather archaic in many ways, and the > > only reason I use it is for the stable ZFS support. Everything else in > > Solaris - given my needs - is a poor match. > > People have reported problems with ZFS and NFS and Samba in the past. > Test throughly before using (and report problems, if any :) ). > While this is true, recent versions of Samba have addressed the issue. I'm running a ZFS pool with Samba sharing it to my network, and it's working flawlessly. FreeBSD localhost 7.0-BETA1.5 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA1.5 #0: Wed Oct 24 23:17:30 UTC 2007 root@myers.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 samba-3.0.26a_1,1 A free SMB and CIFS client and server for UNIX Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 23:51:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC0B16A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-43.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-43.bluehost.com [69.89.18.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E55913C44B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 7434 invoked by uid 0); 28 Nov 2007 23:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 23:51:44 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IxWgx-0004bw-P7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:51:43 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lASNqJ6p047040 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:52:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lASNqIh0047039 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:52:18 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20071128235218.GB46994@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126005855.GA74363@aleph.cepheid.org> <000901c82fce$7558ee30$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126211929.GI29622@demeter.hydra> <474BAA97.5060303@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474BAA97.5060303@charter.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:51:44 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:26:47PM -0600, icantthinkofone wrote: > Oh, who the heck cares. The guy is dead and he's not going to hurt you > so get a life people. If you ban Hitler then ban Stalin and Mussolini > and let's go back another thousand years and dig up those graves, too. > Move on! That's a much better way to put it than mine. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Anonymous: "Eat your crow early, while it's young and tender. Don't wait until it's old and tough." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 23:59:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F8816A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:59:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com [69.89.21.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCE6113C459 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:59:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 27543 invoked by uid 0); 28 Nov 2007 23:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 23:59:34 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IxWoX-0005oM-Ox for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:59:33 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAT009Cq047115 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAT0084N047114 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:00:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:00:08 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071129000008.GC46994@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20071126172611.GE71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:59:36 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:14:30PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > For example, a famous quote of Hitler's is: > > "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature." That raises an interesting point: There are quotes that, taken out of context, might be seen as "offensive". In many cases, the "in context" presentation that makes the inoffensive are those that involve attributing them to the monsters who uttered the words in the first place. Let's take two hypothetical examples . . . 1. "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature." - Anonymous 2. "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature." - Adolf Hitler Frankly, I find the latter to be more valuable, because it says something about the psychology of a genocidal leader of men. The former might be considered offensive by some, because it's a statement whose implications in and of itself are disturbing when taken as it is presented without context -- as a maxim to live by. I'd rather see example 2 than example 1, personally. If I saw the Hitler-attributed version come up in a fortune, it would be thought-provoking. If I saw the unattributed version (and didn't know Hitler said it), I would think "What the hell is this doing here?" > > Fundamentally, you have to be educated to understand it. FreeBSD > is first and formost, for the educated computer user. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Ben Franklin: "As we enjoy great Advantages from the Inventions of others we should be glad of an Opportunity to serve others by any Invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 00:31:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929B816A46E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (vjofn-pt.tunnel.tserv1.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:ffff::5e5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655EB13C46B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (cpe-68-175-8-11.hvc.res.rr.com [68.175.8.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lAT0VtSU000492 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (localhost.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com [127.0.0.1]) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAT0VnXH020954 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:31:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ml@t-b-o-h.net) Received: (from tbohml@localhost) by himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id lAT0VnmB020953 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:31:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tbohml) From: "Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET" Message-Id: <200711290031.lAT0VnmB020953@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:31:49 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20071129000008.GC46994@demeter.hydra> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:31:56 -0000 Randomly found this : http://xkcd.com/261/ Tuc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 01:02:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089B116A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF10613C45A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:02:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAT12LMV042995 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:02:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id lAT12LdY042994 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:02:21 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20071129010221.GA42492@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. Cc: Subject: ...WELL, latest adventures of The Gary in the Dell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:02:23 -0000 Guys, And this is to all the wizards on-list: Why does Gnome take minutes to load? Yes, I finally got 6.3-PRERELEASE to boot after learning that Dell has problems with its serial ports (and Unix). I did see a few postings about the increased delay time to bring up the windowing system, but didn't know it would apply to 6.3 .... In an earlier diagnostic attempt I commented out much of my sysctl.conf and related lines in /etc/rc.conf and /devfs.rules. So is there any way of reinitializing these hint and setting short of rebooting??? Tweaking the BIOS has me rolling again. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 01:10:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CC616A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: from pearl.ibctech.ca (pearl.ibctech.ca [208.70.104.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8E413C44B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 80561 invoked by uid 1002); 29 Nov 2007 01:10:37 -0000 Received: from iaccounts@ibctech.ca by pearl.ibctech.ca by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(208.70.104.100):. 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(steve@ibctech.ca@208.70.104.100) by pearl.ibctech.ca with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 01:10:29 -0000 Message-ID: <474E1195.40406@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:10:45 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20071129010221.GA42492@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20071129010221.GA42492@thought.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: ...WELL, latest adventures of The Gary in the Dell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:10:38 -0000 > And this is to all the wizards on-list: Why does Gnome take > minutes to load? Yes, I finally got 6.3-PRERELEASE to boot > after learning that Dell has problems with its serial ports > (and Unix). I did see a few postings about the increased > delay time to bring up the windowing system, but didn't know it > would apply to 6.3 .... Since I don't run any windowing system on any of my FBSD boxen, I may be way off here, but could this load time be due to DNS timeouts of some sort? Many things hang if they can not resolve names, perhaps this could be part of the issue? Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 02:45:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FAB16A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:45:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF0B13C46B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:45:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071129024520.GEZU17258.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@corinth.polands.org>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:45:20 +0000 Received: from ammon.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAT2jKGU032509; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ammon.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAT2jJqX057041; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@ammon.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lAT2jJNe057040; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:19 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: Doug Poland Message-ID: <20071129024519.GA57003@polands.org> References: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4948/Wed Nov 28 14:42:33 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:45:22 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:29:38PM -0600, Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I have a freshly installed 7.0-BETA3 i386 system and am having issues > with firefox 2.0.0.9. > > Upon launching /usr/local/bin/firefox from a command line I am > immediately returned a cursor with an error code of 1. > > % /usr/local/bin/firefox > % echo $? > 1 > > I debugged both /usr/local/bin/firefox and > /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh until I found the debugger > option, which I tried: > > /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g > /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > > # /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g \ > /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > > MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/lib/firefox > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_linux_plugins:/usr/local/lib/firefox > DISPLAY=:0.0 > DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/components:/usr/local/lib/firefox > SHLIB_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > LIBPATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > ADDON_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox > MOZ_PROGRAM=/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin > MOZ_TOOLKIT= > moz_debug=1 > moz_debugger= > /usr/bin/gdb /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -x /tmp/mozargs.VoVJBX > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and > you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under > certain conditions. > Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for > details. > This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging > symbols found)... > (gdb) run > Starting program: /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP > 100191] > (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New Thread > 0x29a01100 (LWP 100191)] > (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 100191] > > Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. > [Switching to LWP 100191] > Cannot remove breakpoints because program is no longer writable. > It might be running in another process. > Further execution is probably impossible. > 0x2805c3e0 in ?? () from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 > > I did some googling but nothing interesting turned up. I find it > curious that the latest build of Thunderbird works, but linux-firefox > fails like it's native sibling. > > All help is appreciated... > Thought I'd try installing firefox 2.0.0.10,1 on the whim that it may fix my problem. No joy. BTW, how do I get debugging symbols for firefox so that I may further debug this? -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 03:57:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A16616A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:57:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from smtp224.math.arizona.edu (smtp224.math.arizona.edu [128.196.224.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBB713C465 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:57:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from Debian-exim by smtp224.math.arizona.edu with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IxaXl-0004QY-Se for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:58:35 -0700 Received: from 71-220-154-82.tcsn.qwest.net ([71.220.154.82] helo=.domain.actdsltmp) by smtp224.math.arizona.edu with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IxaXW-0004Q8-7E; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:58:14 -0700 Message-ID: <474E388B.7000500@math.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:56:59 -0700 From: Predrag Punosevac User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070916) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajtiM , questions@freebsd.org References: <200711251737.46428.lumiwa@gmail.com> <474A444B.7030909@math.arizona.edu> <200711281943.36845.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200711281943.36845.lumiwa@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ACL-Warn: The HELO/EHLO greeting .domain.actdsltmp is invalid X-Outgoing-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Cc: Subject: Re: K3b X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:57:30 -0000 ajtiM wrote: > On Sunday 25 November 2007 21:58:03 you wrote: > >> ajtiM wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I am new with FreeBSD. I installed one day ago 7.0 beta3 and I try to >>> learn and setup the system. >>> When I start K3b (KDE) I got a message: >>> >>> "No CD/DVD writer found. >>> K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system. Thus, you will >>> not be able to burn CDs or DVDs. However, you can still use other K3b >>> features like audio track extraction or audio transcoding or ISO9660 >>> image creation." >>> >>> I tired as user and as root but resul is the same. >>> >>> BTW: under Linux I didn't have a problem >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> You have not done your homework. >> >> Probably the following would be enough >> >> [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ more /boot/loader.conf >> atapicam_load="YES" >> hw.ata.ata_dma="1" >> hw.ata.atapi_dma="1" >> >> >> You also need to add the following into your /etc/devfs.conf file >> >> # Allow members of the group operator to mount CD-ROMs. >> >> perm /dev/acd0 0666 >> perm /dev/cd0 0666 >> >> # Commonly used by many ports >> link cd0 cdrom >> link cd0 dvd >> link cd0 rdvd >> >> link acd0 cdrom >> link acd0 dvd >> link acd0 rdvd >> >> >> # Misc other devices >> >> perm cdrom 0666 >> perm dvd 0666 >> perm rdvd 0666 >> perm xpt0 0666 >> perm pass0 0666 >> >> I am not sure if you need HAL as mine is ON on this computer on >> which K3b works flawlessly. You will have to read handbook and >> the following is useful http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/. >> >> >> BTW: I really gets annoyed when people say by the way it works in Linux, >> Windows, Solaris or whatever. >> What is that suppose to mean? >> > That is nothing wrong with hardware :) > I realized that. I hope you saw my apology. I do know however why you can not use it as a user. You have to mount the disk on the file system that belongs to you not the root. So edit your /etc/fstab file as this #These are my options /dev/cd0 /usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660 rw, noauto 0 0 /dev/acd0 /usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660 rw, noauto 0 0 and you should be good too go. That was exactly what I meant by saying that I do not know if you need HAL. You do not need HAL but you need to edit your /etc/fstab. Cheers, Predrag > Thank you...I did but as user I couldn't use K3b but as root works. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 04:28:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBFA16A420 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E72113C447 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:28:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAT4SO0Q035373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:28:24 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.6/8.12.11) id lAT4SOLd065598; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:28:24 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:28:24 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:28:27 -0000 Hi, Part of (un)registerings users on my system consists in connecting to various servers to add the user account to some services: Registering users is done wia a web page, and the web server will remote execute a script on the mail server to add the users in the aliases and run newaliases, remote execute a script to the radius server to add the user in the radius tables and restart radius, etc. Of course all the remote execution should be done as root :( So far, one specific user from the web server can rsh -l root to the various other servers to do what needs to be done. But this is not quite satisfactory. What other solution would you suggest to execute a shell remotely as root, that could be automated in a script (no password required). Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 05:12:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC6C16A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redchin@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4FD13C448 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redchin@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so1663484nfb for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:12:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ccyON5kwJ8+ktrdB95LZgFMzBlPDMzOW97lahR5oJjw=; b=W3ff6+mXBS/6l/AFCZ9VUF6ecP21nF8emyou+8dOvtayr/lLbH2iS96VqcCAptx0CbK6opHkigm2l74W/73oPBCjUOS2AG8ln5QVU90bLR2Sw/ORDdFgI74o3SnNrJ9P0wgqL2ri+M9N9dg8sOx1EBJ0RNzzzcSNUaq7fVxWEgY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I5YrvC2w4fNDhiz0h63UTpclIdU5pLkh9scg1hQ1QsU6vpUbApyvlnPz0Ol2AP8b1S/tszeGSJjvIWGVp9O9F3Li9sFXQgE6wcOXMXJ1FdJ3XKGSLtcp/i6KS9tln1qBmcqo7aXnwNifIs7LimMGEDUu20B2lpmpwCDcpTgrHGU= Received: by 10.82.121.15 with SMTP id t15mr3964862buc.1196313153461; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.160.5 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:12:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1d3ed48c0711282112g389407ddyed367561910adfe4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:12:33 -0800 From: "Kevin Downey" To: "Olivier Nicole" In-Reply-To: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:12:36 -0000 On Nov 28, 2007 8:28 PM, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > Part of (un)registerings users on my system consists in connecting to > various servers to add the user account to some services: > > Registering users is done wia a web page, and the web server will > remote execute a script on the mail server to add the users in the > aliases and run newaliases, remote execute a script to the radius > server to add the user in the radius tables and restart radius, etc. > > Of course all the remote execution should be done as root :( > > So far, one specific user from the web server can rsh -l root to the > various other servers to do what needs to be done. But this is not > quite satisfactory. > > What other solution would you suggest to execute a shell remotely as > root, that could be automated in a script (no password required). > > Best regards, > > Olivier ssh using key authentication and sudo configured to allow a certain user to run the needed commands and only the needed commands as root. http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/ http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/ -- The Mafia way is that we pursue larger goals under the guise of personal relationships. Fisheye From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 05:18:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE18516A41B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58A813C459 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so1477960rvb for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:18:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=0FvoRnJb1m4VfFHup81A4wBvjyBhZ/H3SF9M/JGangA=; b=h/rYBoSP4SI2/37O5OOYUrC8qbkvW2vIgghf0+R99cXntmm9XtvAZvVa8r5LI4mQ4IANhJ3CYODc7LIztAbKPAMvBiAB57KOM4Sj6v/XuQHLumGp+h4oxcJv7q6mV5AfWFA02PIVd+wLmEu0J9G60J0PlJalaBWgJwneGKd/l7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=jbXBcK64Tp2/lecDnkiPEAXF8pVYTzrZRVAjF6F1CC/A+CXUq82qLE36l3ZgchNIDog94DRWOjhhBZx9cRWS9/oeu2m38ZIBzm4O+PLacda+az1pnJlo+jCowY8ELTzy04CCSyTyc0lWdMSf5IdtWU8bY+JK3dq3l3keTpy1oI8= Received: by 10.141.161.6 with SMTP id n6mr3071293rvo.1196313500379; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from saraswathy.susmita.org ( [59.92.8.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k14sm4505704rvb.2007.11.28.21.18.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by saraswathy.susmita.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 49FC7143ED; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:48:14 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:48:14 +0530 From: Girish Venkatachalam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071129051814.GB23249@saraswathy.susmita.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:18:21 -0000 On 11:28:24 Nov 29, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > Part of (un)registerings users on my system consists in connecting to > various servers to add the user account to some services: > > Registering users is done wia a web page, and the web server will > remote execute a script on the mail server to add the users in the > aliases and run newaliases, remote execute a script to the radius > server to add the user in the radius tables and restart radius, etc. > > Of course all the remote execution should be done as root :( > No. Use sudo(8) And tighten it up. Giving remote users root access should never ever be done. Typically each user should run a suid script or something. > So far, one specific user from the web server can rsh -l root to the rsh? Are you living in a cave? :) ssh(8) was released several years ago. rsh is horribly insecure and broken whereas ssh(8) has an excellent security track record. -Girish From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 05:23:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683A816A41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: from pearl.ibctech.ca (pearl.ibctech.ca [208.70.104.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BAA13C45B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 89796 invoked by uid 1002); 29 Nov 2007 05:23:36 -0000 Received: from iaccounts@ibctech.ca by pearl.ibctech.ca by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(208.70.104.100):. 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(steve@ibctech.ca@208.70.104.100) by pearl.ibctech.ca with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 05:23:29 -0000 Message-ID: <474E4CE1.6060809@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:23:45 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Nicole References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:23:37 -0000 > What other solution would you suggest to execute a shell remotely as > root, that could be automated in a script (no password required). - have information input into browser - have web server save information to server disk in non-executable format - have script (or admin) authenticate/authorize commands to be performed (recommend doing this manually for a while to ensure you capture as many escape type bugs as possible) - have commands via another script scrubbed/cleaned/tested - have cron perform commands at every X minutes Dirty, but it works. Just ensure that your input variables are very clean during the request, and their storage. All this said, I have an environment that may *semi* relate to what you are doing. It appears you are running your mail with sendmail on one box, RADIUS on another, and perhaps your web interface on yet another. Is this correct? Perhaps it's all on the same box... Can you state: - mail server software - RADIUS software - web interface (server) software ...assuming further, the web interface is custom right? How many users do you have? How many support people? Perhaps you could mail me off-list to discuss, as myself, and my support staff just went through this last year, and are just finishing up the details. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 05:40:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C4516A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: from pearl.ibctech.ca (pearl.ibctech.ca [208.70.104.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A4313C447 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:40:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 90300 invoked by uid 1002); 29 Nov 2007 05:40:09 -0000 Received: from iaccounts@ibctech.ca by pearl.ibctech.ca by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(208.70.104.100):. Processed in 12.58468 secs); 29 Nov 2007 05:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.30.110?) (steve@ibctech.ca@208.70.104.100) by pearl.ibctech.ca with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 05:39:56 -0000 Message-ID: <474E50BC.7060501@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:40:12 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Downey References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <1d3ed48c0711282112g389407ddyed367561910adfe4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1d3ed48c0711282112g389407ddyed367561910adfe4@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:40:11 -0000 > ssh using key authentication and sudo configured to allow a certain > user to run the needed commands and only the needed commands as root. > http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/ > http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/ Yes but in the OP's context, providing this would mean that ANY command supplied via the web interface would be allowed whether SSH or sudo was used to perform the remote execution via the web server. IMHO, there needs to be a distinctive separation as the 'support' persons request comes via the browser. If it is an 'adduser' type request, all aspects (mail, radius etc) need to have their own input-type authentication/authorization check on the input. Although sudo and SSH are part of the solution, providing a web server with full rights on a remote server if they can gain keyless entry is a large mistake. Tunnel via SSH, and escalate via sudo is both a good idea. But I think in the OP's context, there needs to be some intensive checks and bounds in between that make it *harder* for him to achieve his goals than what it could be. I don't think anyone would want the following scenario: - you pass https://url.com?blah&blahetc to webserver - webserver, via password-less ssh executes via sudo a command on remote RADIUS/mail to introduce a new user, perhaps in wheel group - owned Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 06:03:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFD716A41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redchin@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A778813C459 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redchin@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so1674209nfb for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:03:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hlOnX5MggLplP3L+ETjGYwymGG8aZKSAbUTML4oRTQw=; b=SgmD00LS99gxDRmdqWeFiwnwolzhuqIAZTdxVBSuGbIf68O++ZCpR4Wa2xDBQeSlIgvqk6fvpTe5n/uBJbAfskiEp4ytq5OwILFTngI6z3aL+s594n8nTBNG9OpNnkzXBTDalzvrkSwON9YrcRlaN8t8oTDNUR58OA+SY5uRRjU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oQpMSBUILT/sWxS3JPRbGEMH1x99dRp6Ve5/cCZEsrtbyPtZWlTnhJoIGwWvXvsfBHM1/jmExAzGez0HWTPD/HY4Ef9l0J3Toqwwp4Tnj52O/S3jk47AlNctVlOnfJ8j+DgHMjuQF6Z+GsHMgB64dAcB75MCeo2/v6SKbYBYzB0= Received: by 10.82.180.17 with SMTP id c17mr2896922buf.1196316188687; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.160.5 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:03:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1d3ed48c0711282203r23e6d14cx5b97944ecda1de2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:03:08 -0800 From: "Kevin Downey" To: "Steve Bertrand" In-Reply-To: <474E50BC.7060501@ibctech.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <1d3ed48c0711282112g389407ddyed367561910adfe4@mail.gmail.com> <474E50BC.7060501@ibctech.ca> Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:03:11 -0000 On Nov 28, 2007 9:40 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > > ssh using key authentication and sudo configured to allow a certain > > user to run the needed commands and only the needed commands as root. > > http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/ > > http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/ > > Yes but in the OP's context, providing this would mean that ANY command > supplied via the web interface would be allowed whether SSH or sudo was > used to perform the remote execution via the web server. > > IMHO, there needs to be a distinctive separation as the 'support' > persons request comes via the browser. If it is an 'adduser' type > request, all aspects (mail, radius etc) need to have their own > input-type authentication/authorization check on the input. > > Although sudo and SSH are part of the solution, providing a web server > with full rights on a remote server if they can gain keyless entry is a > large mistake. Steve, at no point does the original email say "we need to execute user input". sudo does not equate to providing full rights. I suggest reading the manpage. check yourself before you wreck yourself. > Tunnel via SSH, and escalate via sudo is both a good idea. But I think > in the OP's context, there needs to be some intensive checks and bounds > in between that make it *harder* for him to achieve his goals than what > it could be. > > I don't think anyone would want the following scenario: > > - you pass https://url.com?blah&blahetc to webserver > - webserver, via password-less ssh executes via sudo a command on remote > RADIUS/mail to introduce a new user, perhaps in wheel group > - owned > > Steve > -- The Mafia way is that we pursue larger goals under the guise of personal relationships. Fisheye From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 06:04:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2547316A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D838913C46A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:04:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAT641w3044581; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:04:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id lAT63x7T044580; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:03:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:03:58 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Steve Bertrand Message-ID: <20071129060358.GA44547@thought.org> References: <20071129010221.GA42492@thought.org> <474E1195.40406@ibctech.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474E1195.40406@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: ...WELL, latest adventures of The Gary in the Dell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:04:04 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:10:45PM -0500, Steve Bertrand wrote: > > And this is to all the wizards on-list: Why does Gnome take > > minutes to load? Yes, I finally got 6.3-PRERELEASE to boot > > after learning that Dell has problems with its serial ports > > (and Unix). I did see a few postings about the increased > > delay time to bring up the windowing system, but didn't know it > > would apply to 6.3 .... > > Since I don't run any windowing system on any of my FBSD boxen, I may be > way off here, but could this load time be due to DNS timeouts of some sort? > > Many things hang if they can not resolve names, perhaps this could be > part of the issue? > Hmm, maybe I should restart my dhcp daemon. thanks for the idea. gary > Steve -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 06:29:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6975C16A41B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:29:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Michel.Lecocq@lipn.univ-paris13.fr) Received: from mail.lipn.univ-paris13.fr (mail.lipn.univ-paris13.fr [194.254.163.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C10313C447 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Michel.Lecocq@lipn.univ-paris13.fr) Received: from [192.168.66.34] (bdv75-2-81-57-250-158.fbx.proxad.net [81.57.250.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lecocq@lipn.univ-paris13.fr) by mail.lipn.univ-paris13.fr (sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id B12BB22E0E; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:29:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474E5C4D.6060903@lipn.univ-paris13.fr> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:29:33 +0100 From: Le Cocq Michel User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071008) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Pounsett References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xen howto: inexplicable "Kernel image does not exist" error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:29:40 -0000 I'm in front of the same trouble, did you find a solution ? M Matt Pounsett a écrit : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I'm trying to get FreeBSD running under Xen on a RedHat RHEL5 box. I > seem to be stumped really early in the process by something... > strange. I don't have a good explanation for it, other than Xen doing > something weird, and thought I'd ask if anyone else had seen something > similar. All the information I've found googling this error relates > to users forgetting to install key packages, which doesn't seem to be > related here. > > Basically, I'm following the directions at > http://www.yuanjue.net/xen/howto.html. When I hit step 4, and try to > run "xm create", xen complains: > > # xm create -c freebsd_xen_INSTALL > Using config file "./freebsd_xen_INSTALL". > Error: Kernel image does not exist: > /home/mattp/FreeBSD-XENU/freebsd-XENU_INSTALL > > However, that kernel file does exist: > > # ls -l /home/mattp/FreeBSD-XENU/freebsd-XENU_INSTALL > - -rw-r--r-- 1 mattp users 7379253 Aug 26 2006 > /home/mattp/FreeBSD-XENU/freebsd-XENU_INSTALL > > I'm using the config file suggested by the instructions with only two > changes: > 1) change the 'kernel' reference to the kernel file listed above > 2) change the 'disk' reference to the image file created in step 1 (I > also tried without this change) > > Am I missing something here? Looks to me like either Xen is trying to > chroot somewhere before loading the kernel (don't see anything > relevant in the config file I downloaded) or something is broken > somewhere. > > Has this been seen before, or does anyone have suggestions about where > to check for the error? > > Matt > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFHHPGpmFeRJ0tjIxERAgC3AKCWWmRyK3PgI0NXH2FZDEUE4ZBeIwCeP0ZI > qTEXAYowhmspZCDlN2HMW68= > =JSqE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 06:34:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF6016A420 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7491D13C47E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [213.51.130.188] (port=47866 helo=smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ixcz0-0001o3-95; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:34:46 +0100 Received: from cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl ([84.25.65.88]:4857 helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ixcyx-0000Fl-8u; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:34:45 +0100 Received: from www.boosten.org (localhost.egypt.nl [127.0.0.1]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DB439877; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:34:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from 212.159.200.167 (proxying for 172.21.129.43) (SquirrelMail authenticated user peter) by www.boosten.org with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:34:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <57441.212.159.200.167.1196318082.squirrel@www.boosten.org> In-Reply-To: <474E4CE1.6060809@ibctech.ca> References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <474E4CE1.6060809@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:34:42 +0100 (CET) From: "Peter Boosten" To: "Steve Bertrand" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:34:50 -0000 On Thu, November 29, 2007 06:23, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> What other solution would you suggest to execute a shell remotely as >> root, that could be automated in a script (no password required). > > - have information input into browser > - have web server save information to server disk in non-executable for= mat > - have script (or admin) authenticate/authorize commands to be perform= ed > (recommend doing this manually for a while to ensure you capture as ma= ny > escape type bugs as possible) - have commands via another script > scrubbed/cleaned/tested - have cron perform commands at every X minutes > I once wrote a script for allowing certain persons to add user accounts o= n a box: they just had to create a csv file in a certain place on disk with a certain name, something like this: loginname;Full Name;action where action would be: C (for create new user), D (for delete user), M fo= r creating a new pair of ssh keys. A shell script executed from cron every half hour would then pick up that file and do whatever actions specified in that script. In the case of OP that file could be created (and transported through ssh= ) by the user the web server runs with, while the local root account (if applicable - in case of LDAP that isn't necessary anyway) does its thing... Peter --=20 http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 07:20:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F387D16A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:20:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamkow@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C671E13C448 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:20:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamkow@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so1252384nzf for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:20:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bV0IJ2AdR1JxcIVRtX+lKPcoIbaMz7n77pblUzCW03o=; b=vFXxUReigDBaEJXy+t6PJpyQiwUZeLBTd3RRXW8deUpKqXR3IqEAUR8VYDV1+tjAiQ1/xIl8yjGxyEA1cOG5mJxG8ydzRroJ7zRWrfBbLK4FJ9XrVMSfGY88gK1t1Nvxp2AsdamZJyarJ5Su7qiMCtnuP2I4sdn4C8TS/D+vY0w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YpIlwgLQn1VLIdMww/LidqllheR85mB79zd5D4dJNidtfIWcIHKn1RXmnMf5iIiE8CvePOT4LgcTjwqzsL17kdy4+lkUZ5jnULwGUdE5vkjmkBSO+Q9+Dq1f2/vW14W1MPeyzrW3r/9KGw3jGcT63EB4VW17ABcCdp1vCON69hk= Received: by 10.114.154.1 with SMTP id b1mr301890wae.1196320802328; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.32.139.241? ( [203.92.154.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v37sm748109wah.2007.11.28.23.19.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:20:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474E6817.5050201@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:19:51 +0800 From: williamkow User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:20:04 -0000 I am newbie, recently I have installed FreeBSD 6.2-Stable, and manage to configure and display the x window manager (X11) using command "startx". and then i run command "startkde " and I received error message (kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server) However, if i run command "kdm", then it prompt for login screen. I am wondering the command "startkde" is not correct way to call KDE. please advise me. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 07:37:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3EF16A41B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: from pearl.ibctech.ca (pearl.ibctech.ca [208.70.104.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA0813C44B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iaccounts@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 94177 invoked by uid 1002); 29 Nov 2007 07:37:48 -0000 Received: from iaccounts@ibctech.ca by pearl.ibctech.ca by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (spamassassin: 2.64. Clear:RC:1(208.70.104.100):. Processed in 6.476414 secs); 29 Nov 2007 07:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.30.110?) (steve@ibctech.ca@208.70.104.100) by pearl.ibctech.ca with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 07:37:41 -0000 Message-ID: <474E6C55.4090306@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:37:57 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Downey References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <1d3ed48c0711282112g389407ddyed367561910adfe4@mail.gmail.com> <474E50BC.7060501@ibctech.ca> <1d3ed48c0711282203r23e6d14cx5b97944ecda1de2a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1d3ed48c0711282203r23e6d14cx5b97944ecda1de2a@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:37:49 -0000 >> Although sudo and SSH are part of the solution, providing a web server >> with full rights on a remote server if they can gain keyless entry is a >> large mistake. > > Steve, > at no point does the original email say "we need to execute user > input". sudo does not equate to providing full rights. I suggest > reading the manpage. check yourself before you wreck yourself. I apologize, you are correct. Perhaps I was in a different context. I was assuming that data passed via a web browser was in fact data that needed to be executed as the user (web server context). "Registering users is done wia a web page, and the web server will remote execute a script on the mail server to add the users in the aliases and run newaliases, remote execute a script to the radius server to add the user in the radius tables and restart radius, etc." Pardon my ignorance, I don't regularly use sudo. However, depending on how the user is being added to the mail and/or RADIUS server, if the web server has root auth via sudo to adduser, does that not allow the web server to create a user within whatever group it wants to? > check yourself before you wreck yourself Fair enough. Strong statement, I'll stand by it if necessary :) A legitimate question: If I add user 'www' to 'sudoers' with the ability to run adduser, does that not give user 'www' to put the added user in a group, perhaps wheel? If said commands are passed via 'user' to web browser to web server, run within context of the web server user, and web server user has sudo rights to the remote box, does that not mean that the server is essentially 'executing user input'? Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 07:42:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D835F16A41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from hunter.Sisis.de (hunter.sisis.de [193.31.11.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE5B13C51E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: (from mail@localhost) by hunter.Sisis.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08396; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:36:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from ppp-82-135-11-185.dynamic.mnet-online.de(82.135.11.185) by hunter.Sisis.de via smap (V2.1) id xmaa07615; Thu, 29 Nov 07 08:32:39 +0100 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lAT7csLC006507; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:38:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to m.apitz@oclcpica.org using -f Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:38:54 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: williamkow Message-ID: <20071129073854.GA6341@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <474E6817.5050201@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <474E6817.5050201@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE (i386) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:42:56 -0000 El día Thursday, November 29, 2007 a las 03:19:51PM +0800, williamkow escribió: > I am newbie, recently I have installed FreeBSD 6.2-Stable, and manage to > configure and display the x window manager (X11) using command "startx". > and then i run command "startkde " and I received error message > (kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server) > However, if i run command "kdm", then it prompt for login screen. I am > wondering the command "startkde" is not correct way to call KDE. please > advise me. Thank you. Do in your HOME directory and without having X11 up: $ echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc $ startx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH e - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ Don't top-post, read RFC1855 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 07:51:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF20C16A420 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from hunter.Sisis.de (hunter.sisis.de [193.31.11.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2604C13C448 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: (from mail@localhost) by hunter.Sisis.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10069; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:44:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Received: from ppp-82-135-11-185.dynamic.mnet-online.de(82.135.11.185) by hunter.Sisis.de via smap (V2.1) id xma009831; Thu, 29 Nov 07 08:43:28 +0100 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lAT7nkv5006722; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:49:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from m.apitz@oclcpica.org) Resent-Message-Id: <200711290749.lAT7nkv5006722@rebelion.Sisis.de> X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to m.apitz@oclcpica.org using -f Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:38:54 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: williamkow Message-ID: <20071129073854.GA6341@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <474E6817.5050201@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <474E6817.5050201@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE (i386) Resent-From: guru@rebelion.Sisis.de Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:49:46 +0100 Resent-To: williamkow , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:51:19 -0000 El día Thursday, November 29, 2007 a las 03:19:51PM +0800, williamkow escribió: > I am newbie, recently I have installed FreeBSD 6.2-Stable, and manage to > configure and display the x window manager (X11) using command "startx" > and then i run command "startkde " and I received error message > (kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server) > However, if i run command "kdm", then it prompt for login screen. I am > wondering the command "startkde" is not correct way to call KDE. please > advise me. Thank you. Do in your HOME directory and without having X11 up: $ echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc $ startx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH e - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ Don't top-post, read RFC1855 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 08:07:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC6B16A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDB613C46E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:07:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAT87UNj044913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:07:31 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.6/8.12.11) id lAT87UOo068193; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:07:30 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:07:30 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200711290807.lAT87UOo068193@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <1d3ed48c0711282112g389407ddyed367561910adfe4@mail.gmail.com> (redchin@gmail.com) References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <1d3ed48c0711282112g389407ddyed367561910adfe4@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:07:33 -0000 > ssh using key authentication and sudo configured to allow a certain > user to run the needed commands and only the needed commands as root. > rsh? Are you living in a cave? :) Thanks for the replies. The original script was written at the cave era, only I am trying to improve it today. Would that be better? Using key authentication so ssh needs no password (and key access limit to limit the client connecting via ssh) and limiting sudo to run only the mentionned script. /usr/bin/ssh remote_user@remote_machine.com /usr/local/bin/sudo /usr/local/sbin/remove_user foor_bar TIA. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 08:08:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF55716A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: from darklight.org.ru (ipv6.darklight.org.ru [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:84::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1967413C44B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: from darklight.org.ru (yuri@darklight.org.ru [IPv6:::1]) by darklight.org.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAT87isA007147; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:07:44 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: (from yuri@localhost) by darklight.org.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lAT87hOc007146; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:07:43 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: darklight.org.ru: yuri set sender to yuri.pankov@gmail.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:07:43 +0300 From: Yuri Pankov To: "Alain G. Fabry" Message-ID: <20071129080743.GA6623@darklight.org.ru> References: <20071128140034.GA65209@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071128140034.GA65209@ducati-748.3rdrock.kicks-ass.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2nd try : tap SIOCIFCREATE failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:08:09 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 03:00:35PM +0100, Alain G. Fabry wrote: > > When creating the tap interface, my system gives the following > > FreeBSD# uname -a > FreeBSD FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE > FreeBSD# kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 11 0xc0400000 6f7554 kernel > 2 1 0xc0af8000 140c0 snd_hda.ko > 3 2 0xc0b0d000 479a8 sound.ko > 4 1 0xc0b55000 1d278 kqemu.ko > 5 1 0xc0b73000 8ea4 aio.ko > 6 1 0xc4f44000 9000 if_bridge.ko > 7 1 0xc5079000 16000 linux.ko > 8 1 0xc60ce000 4000 if_tap.ko > FreeBSD# ifconfig tap0 create > ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE: Invalid argument > > > Trying to get this running so my qemu clients have network access... > > Thanks in advance, > > Alain Hrm, getting the same on 5.5/6.2, though it works on 7.0/-CURRENT. Try building `device tap' in kernel, and if it fails, I'd ask -net@. HTH, -- Yuri Pankov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 08:58:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B3916A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:58:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: from darklight.org.ru (ipv6.darklight.org.ru [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:84::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4D013C465 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:58:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: from darklight.org.ru (yuri@darklight.org.ru [IPv6:::1]) by darklight.org.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAT8vpmM052679; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:57:52 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: (from yuri@localhost) by darklight.org.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lAT8vonm052678; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:57:50 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: darklight.org.ru: yuri set sender to yuri.pankov@gmail.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:57:50 +0300 From: Yuri Pankov To: Doug Poland Message-ID: <20071129085750.GD6623@darklight.org.ru> References: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> <87f7f4170711281258o75f89475v9e7ac0db0b42e244@mail.gmail.com> <20071128220457.GA53615@polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071128220457.GA53615@polands.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: Jeremy Gransden , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:58:11 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 04:04:57PM -0600, Doug Poland wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 03:58:48PM -0500, Jeremy Gransden wrote: > > > > > > > > > I did some googling but nothing interesting turned up. I find it > > > curious that the latest build of Thunderbird works, but linux-firefox > > > fails like it's native sibling. > > > > > > All help is appreciated... > > > > > > > > > > what are the permissions on ~/.mozilla and its contents > > > ~/.mozilla 700 > ~/.mozzilla/firefox 700 > ~/.mozilla/plugins 755 > > > -- > Regards, > Doug Check also ownership on ~/.mozilla (ie, ls -ld ~/.mozilla). > sudo chown -R root:wheel .mozilla > firefox > echo $? 1 > sudo chown -R yuri:users .mozilla > firefox Runs fine :-) -- Yuri Pankov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 09:25:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8F816A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:25:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 972EF13C468 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:25:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 14797 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 09:25:53 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 29 Nov 2007 09:25:52 -0000 Message-ID: <474E8592.4020209@pacific.net.sg> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:25:38 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry McAllister References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> <474BD8DE.90600@pacific.net.sg> <474BEDC1.5060204@pacific.net.sg> <20071127171905.GA76551@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071127171905.GA76551@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Joshua Isom , freebsd-questions Questions , FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:25:56 -0000 Hi, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 06:13:21PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >> Joshua Isom wrote: >>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>> >>>> Joshua Isom wrote: >>>>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>>>>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > His was a classic case of what is often called the 'radical right syndrom' I never have heard of this bevore. > Now, how does this fit in OS type questions. I'd really have to think > hard to rationalize that. Sorry. > Nobody seems to know this at all anymore. >> >> PS: >> >> I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand >> the irony in here >> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 11:15:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE68516A469 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:15:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECD013C4E9 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lATBEeO4009047; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:14:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id lATBEYFC009044; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:14:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:14:34 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <474E4CE1.6060809@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <20071129121342.Y9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <474E4CE1.6060809@ibctech.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:15:26 -0000 >> root, that could be automated in a script (no password required). > > - have information input into browser > - have web server save information to server disk in non-executable format > - have script (or admin) authenticate/authorize commands to be performed > (recommend doing this manually for a while to ensure you capture as many > escape type bugs as possible) > - have commands via another script scrubbed/cleaned/tested > - have cron perform commands at every X minutes the most secure compared to others. only few programs has to be checked for security this way. it's not dirty way i think From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 11:19:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746D116A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2F613C4E5 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lATBI9Td009067; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:18:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id lATBI6JN009064; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:18:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:18:06 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Brian In-Reply-To: <20071127143417.R1137@numail.brianwhalen.net> Message-ID: <20071129121751.X9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <20071127143417.R1137@numail.brianwhalen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mark Evans Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:19:25 -0000 > Is a partition close to full, use df to see that. doesn't matter as ls read, not writes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 11:24:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3504516A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9461713C43E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lATBNNN5019112; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:23:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id lATBNNq9019109; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:23:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:23:23 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mark Evans In-Reply-To: <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> Message-ID: <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:24:29 -0000 > ls | wc strange. i did [wojtek@wojtek ~/b]$ a=0;while [ $a -lt 10000 ];do mkdir $a;a=$[a+1];done completed <25 seconds on 1Ghz CPU ls takes 0.1 seconds user time, ls -l takes 0.3 second user time. unless you have 486/33 or slower system there is something wrong. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 13:16:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92C516A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AC513C458 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 145168121-1860479 for multiple; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:01:34 -0500 Message-ID: <474EB822.5020603@chrononomicon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:01:22 -0500 From: Bart Silverstrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mark Evans Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:16:47 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> ls | wc > > strange. i did > > [wojtek@wojtek ~/b]$ a=0;while [ $a -lt 10000 ];do mkdir $a;a=$[a+1];done > > completed <25 seconds on 1Ghz CPU > > ls takes 0.1 seconds user time, ls -l takes 0.3 second user time. > > unless you have 486/33 or slower system there is something wrong. Has anyone tried fsck and/or smartmontools on the drive? Maybe something like Spinrite? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 13:42:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F0E16A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:42:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EE113C45A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:42:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022E8EBC3C; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:42:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:42:44 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20071129084244.eaba6f7a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mark Evans Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:42:47 -0000 In response to Wojciech Puchar : > > ls | wc > > strange. i did > > [wojtek@wojtek ~/b]$ a=0;while [ $a -lt 10000 ];do mkdir $a;a=$[a+1];done > > completed <25 seconds on 1Ghz CPU > > ls takes 0.1 seconds user time, ls -l takes 0.3 second user time. > > unless you have 486/33 or slower system there is something wrong. Another possible scenario is that the directory is badly fragmented. Unless something has changed since I last researched this (which is possible) FreeBSD doesn't manage directory fragmentation during use. If you're constantly adding and removing files, it's possible that the directory entry is such a mess that it takes ls a long time to process it. Of course, Wojciech's test won't demonstrate this, as the directory is freshly created, even to the point that the filenames are actually in alpha order in the directory. One method to test this would be to tar up the directory and extract it somewhere else on the machine (assuming you have enough space to do so). If the newly created directory doesn't have the problem, it's likely that the directory entry has become a mess. Use ls -l to compare the sizes of the actual directories themselves as a little exercise. Anyway, if that turns out to be the problem, you can fix it by taring the directory and then restoring it from the tarfile. Not an ideal solution, mind you. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 13:45:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EDD16A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E263913C44B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Nov 2007 13:18:36 -0000 Received: from nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (EHLO mobileKamikaze.norad) [129.13.72.169] by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 14:18:36 +0100 X-Authenticated: #5465401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19bxTB++4JbxWJsOA2mUReVvftD8CNYHB++CM84Tc 18AX2Sko7XnnU1 Message-ID: <474EBC23.3000901@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:18:27 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071117) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freminlins References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.0 installation, and Xorg in particular X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:18 -0000 Freminlins wrote: > I used to find FreeBSD easy. What has happened? I have a couple of machines > I usually install new versions on, one is headless the other is a desktop > machine (which was a 100% reliable 5.4 installation). I boot the headless > machine using floppies, then install across the net. But something has > happened such that I now need five floppies, and I have to put the boot one > in at least twice. This wasn't the case previously. It now reminds me of an > OS/2 installation with its floppy shuffling. > No idea about floppies. > Then for my desktop machine. sysinstall crashes if I try to install x.org. The pain of using a beta-install. No packages included. Wait for the release. > So I do a pkg_add -r xorg. After about 70 packages I give up. I only used to > have about 65 packages in total on my old desktop, now I need more than 70 > and I haven't even got x windows up yet. So I go off and have a look and > discover that x.org 7.x is modular - " Which is a blessing for maintenance. > http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/unix/bsd/archives/xorg-72-on-freebsd-13661". This > fellow is talking about 300 packages just for x.org! This is nuts. No two > ways about it. Whoever decided to do this needs their head (or heads) > examined. ... It's not like there's more stuff being installed. Only you can be more selective about which parts you need and don't need. And you don't have to rebuild all of xorg for a little update. > It used to be so simple. Now it's not. If x.org didn't work for > some reason I wouldn't want to track down which of hundreds of packages is > missing. Who would? That's what the x11/xorg meta-port is for. > Also, I noticed that python as well as perl was being > installed. Is not one scripting language enough for x.org? Why are two > needed? I suggest you take a look at what depends on them (pkg_info). You will have the answer, then. None of them is required to run FreeBSD. > ... more flamewar fodder ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 14:42:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A70116A46C for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:42:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EE713C457 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:42:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from epia-2.farid-hajji.net (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254F3E0312; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:42:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:42:30 +0100 From: cpghost To: Bill Moran Message-ID: <20071129154230.5ba29b43@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> In-Reply-To: <20071129084244.eaba6f7a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20071129084244.eaba6f7a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Organization: Cordula's Web X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , questions@freebsd.org, Mark Evans Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:42:36 -0000 On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:42:44 -0500 Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Wojciech Puchar : > > > > ls | wc > > > > strange. i did > > > > [wojtek@wojtek ~/b]$ a=0;while [ $a -lt 10000 ];do mkdir > > $a;a=$[a+1];done > > > > completed <25 seconds on 1Ghz CPU > > > > ls takes 0.1 seconds user time, ls -l takes 0.3 second user time. > > > > unless you have 486/33 or slower system there is something wrong. > > Another possible scenario is that the directory is badly fragmented. > Unless something has changed since I last researched this (which is > possible) FreeBSD doesn't manage directory fragmentation during use. > If you're constantly adding and removing files, it's possible that > the directory entry is such a mess that it takes ls a long time to > process it. Yes, that's also possible. But sorting is really the culprit here: it *is* possible to create a directory with filenames in such a way that it triggers Quicksort's O(N^2) worst case instead of O(N log N). The following Python (2.5) program calls "ls -lf" and sorts its output with Python's own stable sort() routine (which is NOT qsort(3)). On a directory with 44,000 entries, it runs orders of magnitude faster than "ls -l", even though it has to use the decorate-sort-undecorate idiom to sort the output according according the filename, and it is interpreted rather than compiled! I guess that replacing qsort(3) in /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/fts.c:fts_sort() with another sort algorithm which doesn't expose this anomaly would solve that problem. --------------------- cut here ------------------ cut here ------------ #!/usr/bin/env python # sortls.py -- sort output of ls -lf with python's stable sort routine. import os def sort_ls_lf(path): "Sort the output of ls -lf path" os.chdir(path) lines = os.popen("ls -lf", "r").readlines() dsu = [ (line.split()[-1], line) for line in lines ] dsu.sort() return ''.join(tupl[1] for tupl in dsu) if __name__ == '__main__': import sys if len(sys.argv) < 2: print >>sys.stderr, "Usage:", sys.argv[0], "path" sys.exit(1) path = sys.argv[1] try: print sort_ls_lf(path) except IOError: pass # silently absorb broken pipe and other errors --------------------- cut here ------------------ cut here ------------ Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 15:40:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD99016A41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:40:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) Received: from coke.conundrum.com (coke.conundrum.com [216.235.9.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD7613C461 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:40:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) Received: from [216.235.13.83] (gnt.conundrum.com [216.235.13.83]) by coke.conundrum.com (8.13.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lATF4kwl083490; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:05:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) In-Reply-To: <474E5C4D.6060903@lipn.univ-paris13.fr> References: <474E5C4D.6060903@lipn.univ-paris13.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2128C5FA-E300-4B6B-AE6D-00A95C829AD7@conundrum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Matt Pounsett Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:04:37 -0500 To: Le Cocq Michel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: Subject: Re: Xen howto: inexplicable "Kernel image does not exist" error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:40:15 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2007-Nov-29, at 01:29, Le Cocq Michel wrote: > I'm in front of the same trouble, did you find a solution ? No, I haven't found a solution, and haven't received any =20 suggestions. I've moved on until the FreeBSD under Xen thing becomes =20= a bit more baked. > > M > > Matt Pounsett a =E9crit : >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> I'm trying to get FreeBSD running under Xen on a RedHat RHEL5 =20 >> box. I seem to be stumped really early in the process by =20 >> something... strange. I don't have a good explanation for it, =20 >> other than Xen doing something weird, and thought I'd ask if =20 >> anyone else had seen something similar. All the information I've =20 >> found googling this error relates to users forgetting to install =20 >> key packages, which doesn't seem to be related here. >> >> Basically, I'm following the directions at http://www.yuanjue.net/=20 >> xen/howto.html. When I hit step 4, and try to run "xm create", =20 >> xen complains: >> >> # xm create -c freebsd_xen_INSTALL >> Using config file "./freebsd_xen_INSTALL". >> Error: Kernel image does not exist: /home/mattp/FreeBSD-XENU/=20 >> freebsd-XENU_INSTALL >> >> However, that kernel file does exist: >> >> # ls -l /home/mattp/FreeBSD-XENU/freebsd-XENU_INSTALL >> - -rw-r--r-- 1 mattp users 7379253 Aug 26 2006 /home/mattp/=20 >> FreeBSD-XENU/freebsd-XENU_INSTALL >> >> I'm using the config file suggested by the instructions with only =20 >> two changes: >> 1) change the 'kernel' reference to the kernel file listed above >> 2) change the 'disk' reference to the image file created in step 1 =20= >> (I also tried without this change) >> >> Am I missing something here? Looks to me like either Xen is =20 >> trying to chroot somewhere before loading the kernel (don't see =20 >> anything relevant in the config file I downloaded) or something is =20= >> broken somewhere. >> >> Has this been seen before, or does anyone have suggestions about =20 >> where to check for the error? >> >> Matt >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) >> >> iD8DBQFHHPGpmFeRJ0tjIxERAgC3AKCWWmRyK3PgI0NXH2FZDEUE4ZBeIwCeP0ZI >> qTEXAYowhmspZCDlN2HMW68=3D >> =3DJSqE >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-=20 >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHTtUImFeRJ0tjIxERAjx5AJ9SCkb/7MvK+UsLl1Y49khEVcKP2QCaAuQA 2QVAXA0wKbde60wKxF/AzEQ=3D =3DzrJs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 16:37:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC93916A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912ED13C46B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IxmNs-0000pz-T8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:37:05 +0000 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with SMTP id lATGb49m021199 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:37:04 GMT Received: (qmail 51686 invoked by uid 1001); 29 Nov 2007 16:36:59 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:36:59 +0000 To: Matt Pounsett Message-ID: <20071129163659.GA51663@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <474E5C4D.6060903@lipn.univ-paris13.fr> <2128C5FA-E300-4B6B-AE6D-00A95C829AD7@conundrum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2128C5FA-E300-4B6B-AE6D-00A95C829AD7@conundrum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:37:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Le Cocq Michel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xen howto: inexplicable "Kernel image does not exist" error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:37:09 -0000 On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 10:04:37AM -0500, Matt Pounsett wrote: > > > On 2007-Nov-29, at 01:29, Le Cocq Michel wrote: > > >I'm in front of the same trouble, did you find a solution ? > > No, I haven't found a solution, and haven't received any > suggestions. I've moved on until the FreeBSD under Xen thing becomes > a bit more baked. > > > >> > >># xm create -c freebsd_xen_INSTALL > >>Using config file "./freebsd_xen_INSTALL". > >>Error: Kernel image does not exist: /home/mattp/FreeBSD-XENU/ > >>freebsd-XENU_INSTALL > >> > >>However, that kernel file does exist: > >> > >># ls -l /home/mattp/FreeBSD-XENU/freebsd-XENU_INSTALL > >>- -rw-r--r-- 1 mattp users 7379253 Aug 26 2006 /home/mattp/ > >>FreeBSD-XENU/freebsd-XENU_INSTALL > >> Wild guess (I don't use Xen): Have you tried changing permissions on the kernel e.g # chmod 555 freebsd-XENU_INSTALL same as the freebsd kernel. Maybe: # chown root:wheel freebsd-XENU_INSTALL also might be worth a try. -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 17:01:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A23716A421 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redchin@gmail.com) Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C576A13C465 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:01:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redchin@gmail.com) Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 28so2136281hub for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:01:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=burXX8ZnPtVeJNPdcnkjRYf8rg74GsGy0q27dU73+Gc=; b=SPMGC6tF/3P0x2aplSnPnDOgEOMuW+oyxqsKgk+580KbYA+UBKZLn6XD2g+wLkVX4zpe8JEwpa5zQDJQyBQKO823QdJxToGjYZyO+OVGwlSfZWa1VaeNUwQrBXS7ymW6nkGv6d54st7wvN60OuwxJ/o3K923P6smpQoQrF8Bdw4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q5S8TbLXmpT1T89CAoX1wSmarGu0yQzrD1/hbgM043R5fqzLTgGAaKBZfkay6Vw833IuzhAWg+s0189tLN9wB2jKHDlD9lIu0afVblc7GMxUIwrhWaUX/VUlp+fnwIJx5sxqMU1AnsvT7yR0ZZrFFsgX9lnEm3+PzAMtDpt4fPo= Received: by 10.82.107.15 with SMTP id f15mr1168852buc.1196355682198; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.160.5 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:01:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1d3ed48c0711290901x3da810cci98232da0894edb6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:01:22 -0800 From: "Kevin Downey" To: "Steve Bertrand" In-Reply-To: <474E6C55.4090306@ibctech.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <1d3ed48c0711282112g389407ddyed367561910adfe4@mail.gmail.com> <474E50BC.7060501@ibctech.ca> <1d3ed48c0711282203r23e6d14cx5b97944ecda1de2a@mail.gmail.com> <474E6C55.4090306@ibctech.ca> Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:01:27 -0000 On Nov 28, 2007 11:37 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > >> Although sudo and SSH are part of the solution, providing a web server > >> with full rights on a remote server if they can gain keyless entry is a > >> large mistake. > > > > Steve, > > at no point does the original email say "we need to execute user > > input". sudo does not equate to providing full rights. I suggest > > reading the manpage. check yourself before you wreck yourself. > > I apologize, you are correct. > > Perhaps I was in a different context. I was assuming that data passed > via a web browser was in fact data that needed to be executed as the > user (web server context). > > "Registering users is done wia a web page, and the web server will > remote execute a script on the mail server to add the users in the > aliases and run newaliases, remote execute a script to the radius > server to add the user in the radius tables and restart radius, etc." > > Pardon my ignorance, I don't regularly use sudo. However, depending on > how the user is being added to the mail and/or RADIUS server, if the web > server has root auth via sudo to adduser, does that not allow the web > server to create a user within whatever group it wants to? > > > check yourself before you wreck yourself > > Fair enough. Strong statement, I'll stand by it if necessary :) > > A legitimate question: > > If I add user 'www' to 'sudoers' with the ability to run adduser, does > that not give user 'www' to put the added user in a group, perhaps wheel? which is why you don't user 'sudo adduser' you use 'sudo myadduser.sh'. myadduser.sh is a wrapper around adduser (or pw, or whatever) > If said commands are passed via 'user' to web browser to web server, run > within context of the web server user, and web server user has sudo > rights to the remote box, does that not mean that the server is > essentially 'executing user input'? > > Steve > no, you are executing commands on validated user input. validated either by javascript on the html form page, your language of choice on the page the form input is submitted to, or by the adduser wrapper script. if I were to only validate in one place I would not pick the javascript method. this is no different then taking a search term from an input box on a webpage, sanitizing it, and searching an sql database for it. -- The Mafia way is that we pursue larger goals under the guise of personal relationships. Fisheye From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 17:47:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23FE16A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:47:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A8E13C447 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:47:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so1408333nzf for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:47:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=532cnraAxtNXd0vzLFMmULA1VuG2e4jgkh62x/aH4KE=; b=tVfXyk/kofKXc4EZGIfODRJSyXRpX+3CIZDuHPzul+KDsFL+lz5A2eiZkg8C49dvDt0cyYJUzJUYciHEkebL0XSyuYHbhW0u6K/qe/xGFqqgHZ0fbkbejxpW/8tIbj7GKr3BUkv1Fv3CdIeu3hwjtWxpMxN8Do4qGRQe3ZtZqWo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=n4ZZPziT6ecYYmXelfEom5mCvzf1I7orybkdu+B9hfZfA6nwN80xDiMJ+UBjUU4fxH6u4A4jL4M3POwMAmX4JO+mtHEglMnmlPxsJWG0uoJn7M1C3dmY0f2oX4bI0JdNwPXuGfaY6IdAkDSbFbXc3t4bQ56Xc3KWRpuyjd2yeYs= Received: by 10.114.93.17 with SMTP id q17mr571550wab.1196358422717; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.147.4 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:47:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:47:02 +0000 From: Freminlins To: "Dominic Fandrey" In-Reply-To: <474EBC23.3000901@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <474EBC23.3000901@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.0 installation, and Xorg in particular X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:47:05 -0000 On 29/11/2007, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > > > So I do a pkg_add -r xorg. After about 70 packages I give up. I only > used to > > have about 65 packages in total on my old desktop, now I need more than > 70 > > and I haven't even got x windows up yet. So I go off and have a look and > > discover that x.org 7.x is modular - " > > Which is a blessing for maintenance. But not for an end user. Who really can keep track of 300 packages? Who has some ports installed, changes one of them which is a dependency and finds something else breaks? Now this will happen to X.org. It's not like there's more stuff being installed. Only you can be more > selective about which parts you need and don't need. And you don't have to > rebuild all of xorg for a little update. But it is FAR more complicated. I stopped installing it after about 70 packages. I noticed it installed Cyrillic and Ethopic (didn't even know there was one) fonts. I didn't want either of them. In the "old days" I simply ensured that Cyrillic fonts were unchecked. Now I am supposed to go through 300 packages. It might be more selective but it is not easier. That's what the x11/xorg meta-port is for. Well the reasoning behind it is broken, and so is its implementation (see above about the unwanted fonts). > I suggest you take a look at what depends on them (pkg_info). You will > have > the answer, then. None of them is required to run FreeBSD. Err, yeah. Look through hundreds of packages to see which dependencies they have. Helpful. Not. This way of doing X11 is seriously unhelpful to end users. If having individual packages for everything is so good, please tell me why everything in /bin, /usr/bin and so on is not an individual package. It's because the idea of doing so is dumb. Frem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 17:57:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DC416A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (unknown [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9450D13C455 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lATHtcNH020330; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:55:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id lATHtYjZ020326; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:55:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:55:34 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bart Silverstrim In-Reply-To: <474EB822.5020603@chrononomicon.com> Message-ID: <20071129185517.G20307@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <474EB822.5020603@chrononomicon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mark Evans Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:42 -0000 >> >> ls takes 0.1 seconds user time, ls -l takes 0.3 second user time. >> >> unless you have 486/33 or slower system there is something wrong. > > Has anyone tried fsck and/or smartmontools on the drive? Maybe something > like Spinrite? he stated that CPU load is near 100% so it's not disk problem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 17:58:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DC216A47D for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984D413C461 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lATHv3aP020343; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:57:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id lATHv1J6020340; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:57:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:57:01 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bill Moran In-Reply-To: <20071129084244.eaba6f7a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: <20071129185547.K20307@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20071129084244.eaba6f7a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mark Evans Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:58:20 -0000 >> unless you have 486/33 or slower system there is something wrong. > > Another possible scenario is that the directory is badly fragmented. > Unless something has changed since I last researched this (which is it is for sure. the fix would be mv /usr/home /usr/oldhome;mkdir /usr/home;mv /usr/oldhome/* /usr/home and after successfull move - rm -rf /usr/home > Of course, Wojciech's test won't demonstrate this, as the directory is > freshly created, even to the point that the filenames are actually in indeed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 18:00:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D14116A476 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6739413C4E5 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lATHw7Bd020350; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:58:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id lATHw6bF020347; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:58:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:58:06 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20071129154230.5ba29b43@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> Message-ID: <20071129185735.Y20307@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20071129084244.eaba6f7a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071129154230.5ba29b43@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Bill Moran , Mark Evans Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:00:12 -0000 > > I guess that replacing qsort(3) in > /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/fts.c:fts_sort() > with another sort algorithm which doesn't > expose this anomaly would solve that problem. for sure his /home wasn't worst case. it's just average case so it's not that problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 18:02:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1774B16A474 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:02:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982C513C46B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lATI1prF020398; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:01:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id lATI1kqC020395; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:01:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:01:46 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steve Franks In-Reply-To: <539c60b90711281405n3edf0124p2570d5b4b36f6cb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071129185841.S20307@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <539c60b90711281405n3edf0124p2570d5b4b36f6cb0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: ataidle - causing apache & cvs timeouts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:02:18 -0000 > I'm running ataidle on my personal server to save electricity. saving your drive instead of electricity is much more economic. all drives prefers running in stable environment - like being up 24h/day. average drive takes <10Watts , so it's <90kWh/year. in Poland it's about 30PLN/year, assuming your drive is down half time you will save 15PLN/year which is about six US dollars :) much less that increased chance of drive failure. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 18:17:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677D716A46C for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:17:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miguel.alc@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FDB13C4DB for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:17:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miguel.alc@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so487813anc for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:17:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=0b2DS8t8Rqp+RFwrKlO52y85SIHwZMK+bvLBSO9+WtE=; b=xaZ7tP83m+uNssrRbI0G/DRVR3+ZxVQWLDJxJ90rbqMfY8pN2P4r6bU6/EgEaertxbxndat39fysIYfbAbVSB8XR7RLN+KRU1L+HVou+oswwKO4PChsVYNhD7Ns8X69YLIFWe8duhdlnKggx+MyW8vB1W8zMjJYHc066pVzL1wg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=syWMXgqP8swTCkssueC4ZZdc8tvps0dQ4MPnqLcF73geu7FHGk8n2LEooS2UeZ5iUDcKjQLMPjVa93DFY21UIld0vAYhrt0qNqORD39cLOhh3PUIFNNwXcj2iUd/KcDumkK35CvCCBewHGIkr7naq30Qogh+L7YesYlV5o5FcZY= Received: by 10.100.228.17 with SMTP id a17mr12128123anh.1196358726273; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.14.20 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:52:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5855700c0711290952g2f3be276h2ceb5a516c96d295@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:52:06 +0100 From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Miguel_Alc=C3=A1ntara?=" To: faqfreebsd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Broadcom X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:17:42 -0000 Grettings to this list. Well, I have a doubt about Broadcom HOT_TOPIC and FBSD 6.2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 18:21:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7732316A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:21:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D66313C457 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lATIL7sT050536 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:21:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id lATIL6hK050535 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:21:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:21:06 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20071129182106.GA50508@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. Cc: Subject: before I rebuild Gnome2.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:21:08 -0000 o The latest problem, first noted about 12 hours ago, is that while gdm worked, nothing else of gnome does. Not as "kline", not as "root". Am I missing some startup or initialization binary?? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 18:32:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF5E16A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:32:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from mail.beenic.net (mail.beenic.net [83.246.72.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0C213C4EA for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wundram@beenic.net) Received: from [192.168.1.32] (a89-182-24-140.net-htp.de [89.182.24.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.beenic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9C7A44529; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:25:38 +0100 (CET) From: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" Organization: Beenic Networks GmbH To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:33:30 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <5855700c0711290952g2f3be276h2ceb5a516c96d295@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5855700c0711290952g2f3be276h2ceb5a516c96d295@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711291933.30209.wundram@beenic.net> Cc: Miguel =?utf-8?q?Alc=C3=A1ntara?= Subject: Re: Broadcom X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:32:17 -0000 Am Donnerstag, 29. November 2007 18:52:06 schrieb Miguel Alc=C3=A1ntara: > Grettings to this list. Well, I have a doubt about Broadcom HOT_TOPIC and > FBSD 6.2 Good for you. What's the question? =2D-=20 Heiko Wundram Product & Application Development From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 18:34:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AB716A41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryallsd@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409E613C46B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryallsd@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2514828waf for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:33:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dj1s/BzjsxeMcxlKpvNixKJioNp444l1sl6JdTCIfSY=; b=kr7xgpXA3mUX8mSaVkGYlzieuwaeFEr8qEyxvR1zlsMW2lSH9f/iAgQ1L17haqKucziw7gHtWjKyEpVDJbdubIZxyrPXi6v0snDpdWGSjcYo4/QIOZzVuX72UHwGf6WiozXbwDivhtVkgCzmFLKN75geanHhpzWV6CWN/gczaX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y8pAk+vmjx+biwECf+K/4rfsKUrqm4KTWuYMvZzc0fBF1FkO5Ef6e1uwFGp4ApuJX2M+2CiMi9ZYRMwibxpfpqqG2szF+5tfAzPWsy0u1k2tFUNMzjwTLY3e129wtJMserCAAMVvXzirJrZaKqkQMfF1lReLVak9RyeyvpT8Neg= Received: by 10.114.59.1 with SMTP id h1mr628398waa.1196359619926; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.78.8 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:06:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:06:59 -0800 From: "Derrick Ryalls" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20071129185547.K20307@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20071129084244.eaba6f7a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071129185547.K20307@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Bill Moran , Mark Evans Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:34:00 -0000 > > it is for sure. > > the fix would be > > mv /usr/home /usr/oldhome;mkdir /usr/home;mv /usr/oldhome/* /usr/home > > and after successfull move - rm -rf /usr/home I really hope you meant: rm -rf /usr/oldhome Also, mv just moves pointers around, wouldn't a cp -Rp be needed instead? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 18:34:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB0016A4F4 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB5C13C459 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lATIY7CL050638; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:34:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id lATIY7BM050637; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:34:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:34:07 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20071129183407.GA50595@thought.org> References: <20071129182106.GA50508@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071129182106.GA50508@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: before I rebuild Gnome2.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:34:09 -0000 On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 10:21:06AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > o > The latest problem, first noted about 12 hours ago, is that > while gdm worked, nothing else of gnome does. Not as "kline", > not as "root". Am I missing some startup or initialization > binary?? > > I forgot to add that when I try to de/re-install gnome2, I get hundreds of these "no-origin" messages. pkg_delete: package font-bitstream-100dpi-1.0.0 has no origin recorded Also, KDE comes up as normal.... [?] gary > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 20:17:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B612E16A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:17:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankstaals@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F53413C442 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankstaals@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Nov 2007 20:17:43 -0000 Received: from ip176-173-59-62.adsl.versatel.nl (EHLO Rena.FStaals.net) [62.59.173.176] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 21:17:43 +0100 X-Authenticated: #25365336 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+THNspskqThL73qAvrkeRnnb3IH4W2x7HJ57agvH 73PZid3iS0GgT1 Message-ID: <474F1E27.20906@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:16:39 +0100 From: Frank Staals User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071107) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freminlins References: <474EBC23.3000901@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Dominic Fandrey , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.0 installation, and Xorg in particular X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:17:45 -0000 Freminlins wrote: > Err, yeah. Look through hundreds of packages to see which dependencies they > have. Helpful. Not. > > This way of doing X11 is seriously unhelpful to end users. If having > individual packages for everything is so good, please tell me why everything > in /bin, /usr/bin and so on is not an individual package. It's because the > idea of doing so is dumb. > > Frem. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Allthough I think the modular approach to Xorg is a good thing, I have to agree the xorg-meta port installs A LOT of ports. A xorg-lite port an xorg-lite port would be usefull for a user who is planning on installing a low-end X windows environment. I thought I read at the freebsd-ports list such thing was being worked on some time ago. But I haven't heard anything about it anymore for quite some time now. What happened to that idea ? Regards, -- -Frank Staals From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 20:25:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8024816A41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DD713C4DD for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from smtp05.web.de (fmsmtp05.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.4.166]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10AAB33E408; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:25:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.152.172.146] (helo=freebsdangel.de) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1Ixpwq-0002Ra-00; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:25:24 +0100 Message-ID: <474F2049.5020405@web.de> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:25:45 +0100 From: Tino Engel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: williamkow References: <474E6817.5050201@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474E6817.5050201@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: elrap@web.de X-Sender: elrap@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/dOJvA+hbRCvsWG0lj00cljjOYhwZ6HVSMRiB2 FVAKMs8JiORQK2Uxfn+T/UDynRlQpVA1onXlgr9PdPPzXPGfJk fPheVNIJE= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:25:27 -0000 williamkow schrieb: > I am newbie, recently I have installed FreeBSD 6.2-Stable, and manage to > configure and display the x window manager (X11) using command "startx". > and then i run command "startkde " and I received error message > (kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server) > However, if i run command "kdm", then it prompt for login screen. I am > wondering the command "startkde" is not correct way to call KDE. please > advise me. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > startkde should be fine also... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 20:31:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2776C16A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:31:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59E413C442 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:31:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D0FB33ECB4; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:31:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.152.172.146] (helo=freebsdangel.de) by smtp08.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1Ixq2L-00025Y-00; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:31:05 +0100 Message-ID: <474F219E.9050700@web.de> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:31:26 +0100 From: Tino Engel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <005901c8313f$f7048b70$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <474CA49D.50306@FreeBSD.org> <002001c831d5$80ad8670$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <003101c831da$a405bc50$0d00a8c0@bayoucshaffer> <20071129122043.A9040@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20071129084244.eaba6f7a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071129185547.K20307@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20071129185547.K20307@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: elrap@web.de X-Sender: elrap@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18uIt8NhnZCeY9Ccg6HHfhcBsf2UqJciKtS+CLv 6zrCItnlBeDLIBXkBtXZtRxZgcj112iW9cA17MGAvQjeWZSdTj r01EzD/Vs= Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Bill Moran , Mark Evans Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:31:07 -0000 > the fix would be > > mv /usr/home /usr/oldhome;mkdir /usr/home;mv /usr/oldhome/* /usr/home > > and after successfull move - rm -rf /usr/home I like this idea very much... It results in 100% data loss of your /usr/home contents... ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 20:33:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C8516A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:33:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix.langelier@notarius.com) Received: from emma.notarius.com (emma.notarius.com [207.253.43.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118D413C457 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix.langelier@notarius.com) Received: from emilie.notarius.lan ([172.25.1.59]) by emma.notarius.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:33:28 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:33:26 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200711281501.32594.josh@tcbug.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Network Configuration with Jails. [Resolved] Thread-index: AcgyAd2X8lat1U6DTeqEwzqymRIgtgAw+Nbg References: <474D7759.2070200@riderway.com> <200711281501.32594.josh@tcbug.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E9lix_Langelier?= To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2007 20:33:28.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[192AB890:01C832C7] Cc: Josh Paetzel , "Philip M. Gollucci" Subject: RE: Network Configuration with Jails. [Resolved] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:33:30 -0000 > > Hello, > > > > I run a FreeBSD Jailer and I want to have multiple jails in 2=20 > > seperate networks. The server has 2 network interfaces and each of=20 > > them are connected in a different network. Say vlan1 and vlan2. > > > > My problem is that all the network traffic is going through the=20 > > first interface (vlan1). What I need is that a jail in vlan1 can't=20 > > communicate with a jail in vlan2 (and vice-versa). > > > > Is it possible to split the network traffic in the right interfaces=20 > > and use a diffrent default gateway for each of them ? > > > > Here is my /etc/rc.d configuration. > > > > defaultrouter=3D"192.168.1.1" > > > > static_routes=3D"vlan1 vlan2" > > route_vlan1=3D"-net 192.168.1.0/24 192.168.1.1" > > route_vlan2=3D"-net 192.168.2.0/24 192.168.2.1" > > > > # vlan1 interface config. > > ifconfig_bge0=3D"inet 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > ifconfig_bge0_alias0=3D"192.168.1.11 netmask 255.255.255.255" > > > > # vlan2 interface config. > > ifconfig_bge1=3D"inet 192.168.2.10 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > ifconfig_bge1_alias0=3D"inet 192.168.2.11 netmask 255.255.255.255" > > > > I tried to remove the default gateway but then the server was=20 > > unreachable. I am thinking of using pf to resolve my issue. > > > >PF is probably the way to go. In particular using route-to to send = traffic originating from 192.168.2.0/24 to 192.168.2.1 > >I'm not totally sure what your static routes even accomplish. The = kernel will establish routes for directly connected networks = automatically. > >So probably some rules of interest.... > ># keep jails from talking to each other >block in on bge0 from 192.168.2.0/24 to 192.168.1.0/24 block in on bge1 = from 192.168.1.0/24 to 192.168.2.0/24 > ># ignore the default route >pass out route-to (bge1 192.168.2.1) from 192.168.2.0/24 to ! = 192.168.2.0/24 \ > keep state > ># redundant because of the default route # which actually does what we = want pass out route-to (bge0 192.168.1.1) from 192.168.1.0/24 to ! = 192.168.1.0/24 \ > keep state It's working perfectly. Thanks Josh ! -- Felix Langelier Unix Sysadmin felix.langelier@notarius.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 20:49:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB5516A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesh@lanl.gov) Received: from mailwasher.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [204.121.3.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6857613C4CC for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesh@lanl.gov) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id lATKnTTd015585; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:49:29 -0700 Received: from oppie-mail.lanl.gov (oppie-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.123]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id lATKnSOl006451; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:49:28 -0700 Received: from [128.165.86.60] (p25dual1.lanl.gov [128.165.86.60]) by oppie-mail.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A931F8004; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:49:24 -0700 (MST) From: James Harrison To: Tino Engel In-Reply-To: <474F2049.5020405@web.de> References: <474E6817.5050201@gmail.com> <474F2049.5020405@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Los Alamos National Labs Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:49:23 -0700 Message-Id: <1196369363.2969.4.camel@p25dual1.lanl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.0 (2.8.0-33.0.1.el5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTN-5-MailScanner-Information: Please see http://network.lanl.gov/email/virus-scan.php X-CTN-5-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CTN-5-MailScanner-From: jamesh@lanl.gov X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jamesh@lanl.gov List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:49:33 -0000 On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 21:25 +0100, Tino Engel wrote: > williamkow schrieb: > > I am newbie, recently I have installed FreeBSD 6.2-Stable, and manage to > > configure and display the x window manager (X11) using command "startx". > > and then i run command "startkde " and I received error message > > (kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server) > > However, if i run command "kdm", then it prompt for login screen. I am > > wondering the command "startkde" is not correct way to call KDE. please > > advise me. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > startkde should be fine also... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I thought X had to be fully running to start another desktop on top of it, and that was done by xinit. Hence having to put startkde in .xinitrc. I think from the situation you're describing that you're correct, it ought to be running, but try putting startkde in the .xinitrc file and then just running startx. James From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 20:55:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35E316A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C10613C45D for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFE634805 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-141-157-246-57.ny325.east.verizon.net [141.157.246.57]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31330169AD for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:55:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:55:13 +0000 From: Bob Richards To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071129205513.5ad780f3@tania.servebbs.org> Organization: blythe Systems X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) X-Face: +\{75whsIB]=i--WqkV^U>!y`<~%(FUd, DQs, &e1yLt==9%It?7#?n>%Splqb, lDIEu%WsB7o+6k2n`6Q5Fl, vJei{$-.KlHPHu/.~VuE=C[}lQmL}>V1t\yTn2iTwCfM`% Face: 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 X-WebDesign: www.lithium-design.com X-Consulting: www.blythe-systems.com X-Terminate: George W Bush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/I81MXdinH5Xc_Wb.aJNvJIN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Producing a staticly-linked package from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rrichard@blythe-systems.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:55:27 -0000 --Sig_/I81MXdinH5Xc_Wb.aJNvJIN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have Claws-mail installed on my workstation. It's compiled here from ports. I need to generate a statically-linked package, for installation on an older install of FreeBSD. (6.1 RELEASE, but running Xorg 6.9.0, I am running Xorg 7.3) Can this be done?=20 If so, what's the general procedure. Bob --=20 _ /o\ // \\ The ASCII \\ // Ribbon Campaign \V/ Against HTML /A\ eMail! // \\ --Sig_/I81MXdinH5Xc_Wb.aJNvJIN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHTycxCiULygfUvEMRAuOfAKCEX9uhl1koznhj0fjKF2BCyR6vUgCeMwWR +tZvU4Ryh8mrmSpwzcAxlj0= =kEAW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/I81MXdinH5Xc_Wb.aJNvJIN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 21:18:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1373D16A41B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:18:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miguel.alc@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB9313C465 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:18:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miguel.alc@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so502857anc for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:17:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=i55PjjasKEEh6zQ4iyTMMN4fjqnikklG/CEQ1R3ogzQ=; b=TUAtDT8jc5bExlLfn2AiV952MLmW2Mnpwtn8kObgYRYzcnnf8pg0o0FV0H3IfF+CZU9UFslAVNQhIVm+XM5enSWvM1AKct7cWleU2PbF0wtvolmNGkF0/6jC/eaPcO1W9lDRFS/nyVqv2bolWPOAeuzyz6xzSOIuno1MHdyl3N4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LLw5TY7acq8xvly1fEgPcAV7CtIurVOkhKdGJl4JY/2o81rGgot0Ncz+i99dkj8KkgujQFXkD8DlVXDEzejJtcgrbrwn8WbqA7B5IaZIGQFT7SyPlLaTGz6DXjl4KvjN8V2ALZIbuuJpo/XXavT0Bod4BFwADXc+fpsk1Cc/H5Q= Received: by 10.100.171.10 with SMTP id t10mr12528037ane.1196371070771; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.14.20 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:17:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5855700c0711291317o1d3d23a2ub38c7c811e5f8cd6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:17:50 +0100 From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Miguel_Alc=C3=A1ntara?=" To: "Heiko Wundram (Beenic)" In-Reply-To: <200711291933.30209.wundram@beenic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5855700c0711290952g2f3be276h2ceb5a516c96d295@mail.gmail.com> <200711291933.30209.wundram@beenic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broadcom X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:18:02 -0000 Sorry, I don't know what could happen, it's no the first time(maybe gmail, or safari browser). Well, I must rewrite all over again. I have a laptop compaq presario f500 with a wireless integrated chip, which is a Broadcom one, it has winxp, fbsd6.2, rofreesbie. I had tested many times trying to load the bcmwl5_sys module generated with ndisgen, but all my tries finished in reboots, it's was not possible no have some information from any log, the only information showed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 21:29:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEA016A474 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miguel.alc@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BF413C4FA for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miguel.alc@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so503930anc for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:29:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; 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Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:37:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slunky@globalzero.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4DC413C467 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slunky@globalzero.org) Received: (qmail 13449 invoked by uid 399); 29 Nov 2007 21:08:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (slunky@globalzero.org@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 29 Nov 2007 21:08:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:08:48 -0700 From: slunky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20071129140848.e5a0e9eb.slunky@globalzero.org> Organization: GlobalZero X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Upgrading to 6.3-RC1 using freebsd-upgrade.sh Problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:37:56 -0000 Hello. After hearing FreeBSD 6.3-RC1 was released, I wanted to upgrade to that from my 6.3-BETA2 installation. This worked fine when I went from 6.2-RELEASE to 6.3-BETA2, but after trying to follow the directions at http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2007-11-10-freebsd-minor-version-upgrade.html I get an error. This is what happens: evo# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.3-RC1 upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-PRERELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. evo# I would really like to upgrade as I've been having problems with Interrupt Storms on IRQ 11 since I upgraded to 6.3-BETA2. If someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong, or how I can use freebsd-update.sh to get FreeBSD 6.3-RC1 I would appreciate it very much. Here is my uname -a if that helps. FreeBSD evo.zero 6.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE #0: Sat Nov 10 15:54:10 MST 2007 slunk@evo.zero:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EVO2 i386 Thanks in advance. -- -Tony Chidester From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 22:53:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B88B16A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:53:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-54.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-54.bluehost.com [69.89.20.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 056F913C448 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:53:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 17975 invoked by uid 0); 29 Nov 2007 22:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 22:53:13 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IxsFt-0007rk-Gg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:53:13 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lATMrmZK051969 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:53:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lATMrmGn051968 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:53:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:53:47 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071129225347.GA51507@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <474BB706.4090505@gmail.com> <3E233CE162645D57F3F61284@utd59514.utdallas.edu> <474C52A3.9040406@chrononomicon.com> <474C573F.4000403@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474C573F.4000403@daleco.biz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:53:14 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:43:27AM -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > > An American's a person who isn't afraid to criticize > the president but is always polite to traffic cops. That's a very good point (barring edge cases like belligerent idiots who aren't polite to traffic cops, either, but tend to end up on episodes of Cops because of it). -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Brian K. Reid: "In computer science, we stand on each other's feet." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 23:20:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CC916A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clint@0lsen.net) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D7013C43E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clint@0lsen.net) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jmye1Y00316AWCU0A01B00; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:09:07 +0000 Received: from 0lsen.net ([24.20.127.157]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jn961Y00B3Pt6RU0800000; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:09:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=btOFVtZpkqQA:10 a=U8l8XpY043sQBdNE0wsA:9 a=DjCfIdSkgefO3qcz17PpBIVXRT0A:4 a=IJ9GriFLXp4A:10 Received: by 0lsen.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A16CA79006; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:09:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:09:00 -0800 From: Clint Olsen To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071129230900.GC10829@belle.0lsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: NULlsen Network X-Disclaimer: Mutt Bites! Cc: Subject: Getting DHCP to 'update' DNS records locally X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:20:02 -0000 Apologies if this isn't the correct forum. I'd like to configure DNS on my home network but make it work simultaneously with DHCP. So, when hosts are plugged into the network and issued an IP, DNS is updated to reflect the hostnames. That way I can refer to all my machines by name in all databases and I can avoid hardcoding IP addresses. I know Windows allows name-based recognition even in the instance you're using DHCP, but I'd like it to work more generally with any type of machine on the network. The problem is, when I search for terms related to this, I get hits for DynDNS and all that stuff which is /not/ what I want. I'm not trying to update a remote DNS record. This is just a local thing. If there's a lightweight DNS server that comes with a DHCP daemon, that would be fine too. I just need to know where to start. Thanks, -Clint From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 23:59:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98F416A41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E1013C4E7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from localhost (jn@ns1 [69.55.238.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lATNwx69025789; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:59:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:58:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071129230900.GC10829@belle.0lsen.net> In-Reply-To: <20071129230900.GC10829@belle.0lsen.net> X-Face: #X5#Y*q>F:]zT!DegL3z5Xo'^MN[$8k\[4^3rN~wm=s=Uw(sW}R?3b^*f1Wu*.<=?utf-8?q?of=5F4NrS=0A=09P*M/9CpxDo!D6?=)IY1w<9B1jB; tBQf[RU-R<,I)e"$q7N7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711291858.57922.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Clint Olsen Subject: Re: Getting DHCP to 'update' DNS records locally X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:59:00 -0000 On Thursday 29 November 2007, Clint Olsen wrote: > Apologies if this isn't the correct forum. I'd like to configure DNS on > my home network but make it work simultaneously with DHCP. So, when > hosts are plugged into the network and issued an IP, DNS is updated to > reflect the hostnames. That way I can refer to all my machines by name > in all databases and I can avoid hardcoding IP addresses. I know Windows > allows name-based recognition even in the instance you're using DHCP, but > I'd like it to work more generally with any type of machine on the > network. > > The problem is, when I search for terms related to this, I get hits for > DynDNS and all that stuff which is /not/ what I want. I'm not trying to > update a remote DNS record. This is just a local thing. > > If there's a lightweight DNS server that comes with a DHCP daemon, that > would be fine too. I just need to know where to start. You can do this fairly easily with isc-dhcp3-server and bind/named. The dhcpd.conf(5) manpage (from isc-dhcp3-server) goes into quite a bit of detail on how to set this up (including what to put in named.conf). JN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 00:20:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4472D16A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asric@asric.com) Received: from ereshkigal.site5.com (ereshkigal.site5.com [74.53.3.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF8313C442 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asric@asric.com) Received: from [70.99.232.20] by ereshkigal.site5.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IxsxU-0003eH-8Z; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:38:17 -0600 Message-Id: From: Steven Ringwald To: Clint Olsen In-Reply-To: <20071129230900.GC10829@belle.0lsen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:38:24 -0800 References: <20071129230900.GC10829@belle.0lsen.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ereshkigal.site5.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - asric.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Getting DHCP to 'update' DNS records locally X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:20:01 -0000 On Nov 29, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Clint Olsen wrote: > Apologies if this isn't the correct forum. I'd like to configure > DNS on my > home network but make it work simultaneously with DHCP. So, when > hosts are > plugged into the network and issued an IP, DNS is updated to reflect > the > hostnames. That way I can refer to all my machines by name in all > databases and I can avoid hardcoding IP addresses. I know Windows > allows > name-based recognition even in the instance you're using DHCP, but > I'd like > it to work more generally with any type of machine on the network. > > The problem is, when I search for terms related to this, I get hits > for > DynDNS and all that stuff which is /not/ what I want. I'm not > trying to > update a remote DNS record. This is just a local thing. > > If there's a lightweight DNS server that comes with a DHCP daemon, > that > would be fine too. I just need to know where to start. Try the following; it is for DHCP and BIND9... http://my-mili.eu/matt/docs/dynamic-dns-with-dhcp-and-bind-9/ Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 01:20:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E5816A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (mail.freeode.co.uk [87.127.24.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF9B13C447 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:20:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from asus.freeode.co.uk ([10.10.10.10]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAU0l1q8057742 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:47:01 GMT (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:47:01 +0000 From: John Murphy To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20071130004701.2876bbc9@asus.freeode.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Amarok crashes X (since portupgrade) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:20:29 -0000 Testing 7.0 beta2 so I should upgrade to beta3, but all was working well until I portupgraded yesterday. Now amarok shuts down X server: Nov 30 00:14:37 asus kdm-bin[1146]: X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly I get a couple of lines of text if I start it from an xterm, but they are gone too quick to read. I will upgrade tomorrow, but my question is more: how can I discover which ports were upgraded most recently and how can I get more debug information about a GUI program which crashes the X server. -- Thanks, John. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 02:30:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC4216A41B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:30:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F07E13C459 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:30:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7v10h9eMEg9LWpd8aLUA:9 a=bLodiSVD8JUo-xJti7CLph4OZI8A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=bsd-unix@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=rpratt1950@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp09.embarq.synacor.com: 76.6.194.183 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Received: from [76.6.194.183] ([76.6.194.183:57481] helo=kt.weeeble.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.1.21 r(19176)) with ESMTPA id 51/30-31187-1C57F474; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:30:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:30:22 -0500 From: Randy Pratt To: John Murphy Message-Id: <20071129213022.51c2c0b5.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20071130004701.2876bbc9@asus.freeode.co.uk> References: <20071130004701.2876bbc9@asus.freeode.co.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Amarok crashes X (since portupgrade) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:30:27 -0000 On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:47:01 +0000 John Murphy wrote: > Testing 7.0 beta2 so I should upgrade to beta3, but all was working > well until I portupgraded yesterday. Now amarok shuts down X server: > > Nov 30 00:14:37 asus kdm-bin[1146]: X server for display :0 terminated > unexpectedly > > I get a couple of lines of text if I start it from an xterm, but they > are gone too quick to read. I will upgrade tomorrow, but my question > is more: how can I discover which ports were upgraded most recently I use a little shell script to find upgrade dates: ==== #!/bin/sh cd /var/db/pkg list="$(ls -trd */+COMMENT)" for item in ${list}; do _date="`stat -f "%Sm" ${item}`" printf "%-25s %s\n" "${_date}" "`echo ${item} | sed 's/\/.*//'`" done ==== I can't help with the debug part though. Randy -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 03:55:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19C616A41B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org (cpc5-cmbg1-0-0-cust497.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.6.1.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6F213C468 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id F3E816108; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:55:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6332C60E2 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:55:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from danielby@localhost) by torus.slightlystrange.org (8.14.2/8.13.4/Submit) id lAU3tH9t008965 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:55:18 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:55:17 +0000 From: Daniel Bye To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130035517.GA8934@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org References: <20071129230900.GC10829@belle.0lsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071129230900.GC10829@belle.0lsen.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A Cc: Subject: Re: Getting DHCP to 'update' DNS records locally X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:55:21 -0000 --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 03:09:00PM -0800, Clint Olsen wrote: > Apologies if this isn't the correct forum. I'd like to configure DNS on = my > home network but make it work simultaneously with DHCP. So, when hosts a= re > plugged into the network and issued an IP, DNS is updated to reflect the > hostnames. That way I can refer to all my machines by name in all > databases and I can avoid hardcoding IP addresses. I know Windows allows > name-based recognition even in the instance you're using DHCP, but I'd li= ke > it to work more generally with any type of machine on the network. >=20 > The problem is, when I search for terms related to this, I get hits for > DynDNS and all that stuff which is /not/ what I want. I'm not trying to > update a remote DNS record. This is just a local thing. >=20 > If there's a lightweight DNS server that comes with a DHCP daemon, that > would be fine too. I just need to know where to start. dns/dnsmasq does exactly what you want. Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHT4mlixf5fBYiFmoRAmEDAJ9Eq67Fl35OJaZWGxr40n4N34/sGACeK8Ma OdXnbHESbHQzOroULQ7T0Ec= =rTKw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 04:31:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D43716A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (mail.freeode.co.uk [87.127.24.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B7F13C458 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from asus.freeode.co.uk ([10.10.10.10]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAU4VJet058713 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:19 GMT (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:19 +0000 From: John Murphy To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20071130043119.38825d47@asus.freeode.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20071129213022.51c2c0b5.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> References: <20071130004701.2876bbc9@asus.freeode.co.uk> <20071129213022.51c2c0b5.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Amarok crashes X (since portupgrade) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:21 -0000 On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:30:22 -0500 Randy Pratt wrote: > On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:47:01 +0000 > John Murphy wrote: > > > Testing 7.0 beta2 so I should upgrade to beta3, but all was working > > well until I portupgraded yesterday. Now amarok shuts down X server: > > > > Nov 30 00:14:37 asus kdm-bin[1146]: X server for display :0 terminated > > unexpectedly > > > > I get a couple of lines of text if I start it from an xterm, but they > > are gone too quick to read. I will upgrade tomorrow, but my question > > is more: how can I discover which ports were upgraded most recently > > I use a little shell script to find upgrade dates: > > ==== > #!/bin/sh > > cd /var/db/pkg > list="$(ls -trd */+COMMENT)" > > for item in ${list}; do > _date="`stat -f "%Sm" ${item}`" > printf "%-25s %s\n" "${_date}" "`echo ${item} | sed 's/\/.*//'`" > > done > ==== > > I can't help with the debug part though. Very useful script that. Many thanks. The only ports upgraded at the time were: Nov 29 01:23:55 2007 samba-3.0.26a_2,1 Nov 29 01:27:05 2007 samba-libsmbclient-3.0.26a_2 Nov 29 01:36:03 2007 xorg-server-1.4_3,1 Nov 29 01:42:21 2007 wxgtk2-2.6.3_5 wxgtk isn't a dependency of amarok so that's ruled out. With stdout & stderr directed to a file I see lots of variations of: amarok: [CollectionDB] [ERROR!] [virtual QStringList SqliteConnection::query(const QString&, bool)] sqlite3_compile error: amarok: [CollectionDB] [ERROR!] index tags_deviceid_index already exists amarok: [CollectionDB] [ERROR!] on query: CREATE INDEX tags_deviceid_index ON tags( deviceid ); Then just before X dies: amarok: [Moodbar] Resetting moodbar: kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::insertKAccel( kaccel = 0x2b562520 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "play_pause" QLayout: Adding KToolBar/mainToolBar (child of QVBox/unnamed) to layout for PlaylistWindow/PlaylistWindow : Fatal IO error: client killed Amarok: [Loader] Starting amarokapp.. Amarok: [Loader] Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp. amarokapp: Fatal IO error: client killed amarok: BEGIN: virtual CollectionDB::~CollectionDB() amarok: END__: virtual CollectionDB::~CollectionDB() - Took 0.00023s amarok: [virtual EngineController::~EngineController()] I tried using 'amarokapp', but the output looks the same to my untrained eye. Had to install mp3blaster (ncurses mp3 player) to play some tunes; it worked a treat :) -- Thanks, John. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 05:48:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E3516A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:48:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6487613C46A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:48:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A70B4A6B71; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:48:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.152.138.28] (helo=freebsdangel.de) by smtp07.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1IxykB-0003fq-00; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:48:55 +0100 Message-ID: <474FA45E.4060902@web.de> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:49:18 +0100 From: Tino Engel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Murphy References: <20071130004701.2876bbc9@asus.freeode.co.uk> <20071129213022.51c2c0b5.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> <20071130043119.38825d47@asus.freeode.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20071130043119.38825d47@asus.freeode.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: elrap@web.de X-Sender: elrap@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19sN2Du+z0NvPyN3qIDE1qXAMZvLNTxkA37uxDH k1JanAAe0zt587EzysxGgIk3v2NYt+BP4K5GoeMH1vsZXL+dF/ vD03kP9+4= Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Amarok crashes X (since portupgrade) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:48:57 -0000 John Murphy schrieb: > > > Very useful script that. Many thanks. > > The only ports upgraded at the time were: > > Nov 29 01:23:55 2007 samba-3.0.26a_2,1 > Nov 29 01:27:05 2007 samba-libsmbclient-3.0.26a_2 > Nov 29 01:36:03 2007 xorg-server-1.4_3,1 > Nov 29 01:42:21 2007 wxgtk2-2.6.3_5 > > > I'd try to reinstall amarok... Maybe it refers some older xorg-lib which is not existing anymore... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 07:01:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EC316A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@jarasoft.net) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.nl (zeus.jarasoft.nl [72.36.229.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3617D13C442 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@jarasoft.net) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.jarasoft.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0F739941 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:48:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from jara3 (raats.xs4all.nl [82.95.230.43]) by zeus.jarasoft.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0558539940 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:48:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001401c8331d$05af93c0$4001a8c0@jarasoft.net> From: "Jack Raats" To: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:48:30 +0100 Organization: JaRaSoft, Steenbergen, Nederland MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: serious problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Raats List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:01:50 -0000 Hi While running make installworld my computer crashed. (FreeBSD 6.2-p9 = kernel) At this moment the system misses some of the elf libs. Running in single = user mode and running make installworld again gives all kind of errors Any leads to solve this problem?? Jack From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 07:01:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92B816A41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F70913C448 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from stat.sem.ipt.ru ([192.168.12.1] helo=srv.sem.ipt.ru) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1Ixzsl-0000zM-IH; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:01:51 +0300 To: Jerry McAllister References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126162053.GB71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <004901c8304d$85913440$6d00a8c0@mobility> <20071126172611.GE71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:05:45 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20071126172611.GE71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> (Jerry McAllister's message of "Mon\, 26 Nov 2007 12\:26\:11 -0500") Message-ID: <76327974@srv.sem.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.99 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:01:53 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:11 -0500 Jerry McAllister wrote: > the hitler example remain with it because it establishes > a very strong case-in-point example. Yep, shoot someone and then say -- hey, that's the best example of what shouldn't be done! WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 07:26:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D91716A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhaneshkk@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1391013C469 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhaneshkk@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY127-W27 ([65.55.132.62]) by bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:14:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [203.129.255.178] From: dhaneshk k To: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:14:51 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2007 07:14:52.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3AABBA0:01C83320] Subject: PDF_toTEXT Port /Package Is ther For FreeBSD-6.2 version ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:26:52 -0000 Hi fiiends; I need PDF to Text converter Program in My FreeBSD6.2 Server : CAn any one please point out is ther a PORT for PDF_to_TEXT conversion OR= how to install this utility . Any hints most welcome Thanks in Advance=20 Dhanesh _________________________________________________________________ Tried the new MSN Messenger? It=92s cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=3Den-in= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 07:33:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0724216A41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:33:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A4313C468 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:33:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from srv.sem.ipt.ru ([192.168.12.1]) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1Iy0Nb-0001Qd-Ue; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:33:44 +0300 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" References: From: Boris Samorodov Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:37:37 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Ted Mittelstaedt's message of "Mon\, 26 Nov 2007 22\:14\:30 -0800") Message-ID: <10246062@srv.sem.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.99 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:33:46 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:14:30 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Fundamentally, you have to be educated to understand it. FreeBSD > is first and formost, for the educated computer user. Ted, you may exchange famous Hitler's quotes with your highly educated friends, laugh at Hirosima's anecdotes with your highly educated japanese friends, etc. But every educated person should understand what may be done privately and what should be done publicly. Let's have enough tact not to bother very sensitive history at the official FreeBSD site. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 07:37:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1870316A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate4.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate4.pacific.net.sg [203.81.36.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DFE313C442 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 14582 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 07:37:30 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate4.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 30 Nov 2007 07:37:29 -0000 Message-ID: <474FBDB4.2010307@pacific.net.sg> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:37:24 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boris Samorodov References: <10246062@srv.sem.ipt.ru> In-Reply-To: <10246062@srv.sem.ipt.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:37:34 -0000 Hi, Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:14:30 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> Fundamentally, you have to be educated to understand it. FreeBSD >> is first and formost, for the educated computer user. > > Ted, you may exchange famous Hitler's quotes with your highly educated > friends, laugh at Hirosima's anecdotes with your highly educated > japanese friends, etc. But every educated person should understand > what may be done privately and what should be done publicly. Let's > have enough tact not to bother very sensitive history at the > official FreeBSD site. > sensorship starts in the mind of the people. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 07:45:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA3D16A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C0C13C457 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from admin.sem.ipt.ru ([192.168.12.1] helo=srv.sem.ipt.ru) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1Iy0Z2-0001aU-Jm; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:45:32 +0300 To: Erich Dollansky References: <10246062@srv.sem.ipt.ru> <474FBDB4.2010307@pacific.net.sg> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:26 +0300 In-Reply-To: <474FBDB4.2010307@pacific.net.sg> (Erich Dollansky's message of "Fri\, 30 Nov 2007 15\:37\:24 +0800") Message-ID: <88805353@srv.sem.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.99 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:45:36 -0000 On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:37:24 +0800 Erich Dollansky wrote: > sensorship starts in the mind of the people. True. That's why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/118284 WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 07:54:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13AD16A46E for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from smtp224.math.arizona.edu (smtp224.math.arizona.edu [128.196.224.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8047613C506 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from Debian-exim by smtp224.math.arizona.edu with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Iy0iv-0001bA-Vc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:55:51 -0700 Received: from 71-220-128-214.tcsn.qwest.net ([71.220.128.214] helo=.domain.actdsltmp) by smtp224.math.arizona.edu with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1Iy0io-0001ak-Ho; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:55:38 -0700 Message-ID: <474FC171.5030207@math.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:53:21 -0700 From: Predrag Punosevac User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070916) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dhaneshk k References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ACL-Warn: The HELO/EHLO greeting .domain.actdsltmp is invalid X-Outgoing-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PDF_toTEXT Port /Package Is ther For FreeBSD-6.2 version ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:54:45 -0000 dhaneshk k wrote: > Hi fiiends; > > I need PDF to Text converter Program in My FreeBSD6.2 Server : > > CAn any one please point out is ther a PORT for PDF_to_TEXT conversion OR how to install this utility . > > Any hints most welcome > > Thanks in Advance > Dhanesh > > > My friend, You already have converter on your computer:-) Ghostscript! Just type pdf2ps filename.pdf and then you can convert ps to ascii i with the command ps2ascii. If I remember well you can convert pdf directly to ascii but I forgot how. I think something like pdftoacsii or pdf2ascii In any case the software you want is not among converters but rather it is in print. (ghostscript and I think dvips is useful to have) . There was a thread about 3 months ago when we went systematically over all converters. Just look the archive. Cheers, Predrag > _________________________________________________________________ > Tried the new MSN Messenger? It’s cool! Download now. > http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in_______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 08:29:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE2616A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhaneshkk@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DD813C455 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dhaneshkk@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY127-W37 ([65.55.132.72]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:29:42 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [203.129.255.178] From: dhaneshk k To: Predrag Punosevac Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:29:41 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <474FC171.5030207@math.arizona.edu> References: <474FC171.5030207@math.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2007 08:29:42.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[27C6F620:01C8332B] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: PDF_toTEXT Port /Package Is ther For FreeBSD-6.2 version ?UnRESOLVED issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:29:42 -0000 2007-11-30 13:43:27 WARNING PortalTransforms Cannot register transform pdf_= to_text, using BrokenTransform: Error Unable to find binary "pdftotext" in /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/ga= mes:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin This was my problem , I was running a Plone/Zope site in My FreeBSD machin= e , it cant find the program=20 pdf_to_text :=20 I installed PDF_to_html from ports . But /usr/ports]# make sea= rch name=3Dpdftotext : No result=20 for this search : If ther any port or package for PDF_To_Text : Let me k= now where it is ? Thanks in advance Dhanesh Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:53:21 -0700 > From: punosevac@math.arizona.edu > To: dhaneshkk@hotmail.com > CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: PDF_toTEXT Port /Package Is ther For FreeBSD-6.2 version ? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > dhaneshk k wrote: > > Hi fiiends; > > > > I need PDF to Text converter Program in My FreeBSD6.2 Server : > > > > CAn any one please point out is ther a PORT for PDF_to_TEXT conversio= n OR how to install this utility . > > > > Any hints most welcome > > > > Thanks in Advance=20 > > Dhanesh > > > > > > =20 > My friend, > You already have converter on your computer:-) Ghostscript! > Just type pdf2ps filename.pdf and then you can convert ps to ascii i=20 > with the command ps2ascii. > If I remember well you can convert pdf directly to ascii but I forgot=20 > how. I think something like pdftoacsii or pdf2ascii >=20 > In any case the software you want is not among converters but rather it=20 > is in print. (ghostscript and I think dvips is useful to have) . > There was a thread about 3 months ago when we went systematically over=20 > all converters. >=20 > J >=20 >=20 >=20 > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Tried the new MSN Messenger? It=92s cool! Download now. > > http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=3Den-in_____________= __________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= .org" > > =20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Post free property ads on Yello Classifieds now! www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=3D219= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 08:41:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0559916A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack.raats@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC45313C448 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack.raats@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so1884380rvb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:41:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=8XkPY3rs2GujkuqW30t4hOHICiuMfYGkIpucbsIzjdY=; b=uX2o7gyWFRjSJ65xoOBytZd+JeN3B4NCSCE93rIVd+184lXbL8zTIuMvaNYZMPyg4X1HqEFMN7WmTlMDdywDiW23+psfRwiNo0NqMMaUwRzqQwdrrQQJa9hhlUktPV+YnxRTvP4B9NxWqzwrdJzWlTJXf0utO7zJeazfGmDRsRc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=aoFiN/E751E7OhmGdFTrqMgOryhp1hh+Jf1v4uAjO5V2OSlVKsiFKqIV3bNSeHzHIwhoYLGjNsq/4w1/zuYfgSllbOJ+LMCUKpMH80ePajcQdLRmqaCszYEzJJz7owhxxQyzef9VXV+qzIKtfWShcYTDAEFJFiTuB7d4o20NqEk= Received: by 10.140.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr3828263rve.1196410308330; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.192.10 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:11:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2b07feb30711300011u2911d583g6ad779bd879a0009@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:11:48 +0100 From: "Jack Raats" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: System crash while running maek installworld X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:41:01 -0000 Hi While running make installworld my computer crashed. (FreeBSD 6.2-p9 kernel) At this moment the system misses some of the elf libs. Running in single user mode and running make installworld again gives all kind of errors Any leads to solve this problem?? Jack Raats PS. Perhaps this message will appear twice in the mailinglist due to the fact that my normal email address doesn't work From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 08:54:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBA616A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFD213C459 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAU8sib0014207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:54:44 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.6/8.12.11) id lAU8siIV012321; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:54:44 +0700 (ICT) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:54:44 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200711300854.lAU8siIV012321@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: dhaneshkk@hotmail.com In-reply-to: (message from dhaneshk k on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:29:41 +0000) References: <474FC171.5030207@math.arizona.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: punosevac@math.arizona.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PDF_toTEXT Port /Package Is ther For FreeBSD-6.2 version ?UnRESOLVED issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:54:47 -0000 > This was my problem , I was running a Plone/Zope site in My FreeBSD > machine , it cant find the program look for xpdf in the ports it has pdftotext. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 08:58:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CA516A41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FDB13C44B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Iy1hP-0007tq-JH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:58:15 +0000 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with SMTP id lAU8wE8Q028293 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:58:15 GMT Received: (qmail 3413 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Nov 2007 08:58:09 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:58:09 +0000 To: dhaneshk k Message-ID: <20071130085809.GA3361@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-RC1 i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:58:15 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PDF_toTEXT Port /Package Is ther For FreeBSD-6.2 version ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:58:20 -0000 On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:14:51AM +0000, dhaneshk k wrote: > > > > Hi fiiends; > > I need PDF to Text converter Program in My FreeBSD6.2 Server : > > CAn any one please point out is ther a PORT for PDF_to_TEXT conversion OR how to install this utility . > > Any hints most welcome > > Thanks in Advance > Dhanesh $ pkg_info -W /usr/local/bin/pdftotext /usr/local/bin/pdftotext was installed by package xpdf-3.02_5 -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 09:31:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E27416A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66FB13C447 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so4790522pyb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:31:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MHzYnl6CaARGNRp/sPmiEcv/sC3sZ5fsRF6cNpttkIs=; b=ilUMdSQYbZFCPaIkQGmiiyQcRg12nbxfg2mQfBaz7k43FVn+eOcmyQQQ+2obBH2ZIV2l/LYFyvuUQPvWu0m/ARuKsb8ZeL/H8csLYbscaHkwbMtHs+BVGfbpKLVZXOIiK7R+mOt57nDlAOzfY0PlDY/bIJdyZuonyO4wrpjGfcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YyObRdRqARFu2GuF7LU8shMdDwdxEDWYXHBdAbOB/ZxRsI7IaMThJNv7+BEWMfOsJDocb9cSlioEBvTWDiXmiRYjQXQUGwx4h8TDGq39/DL6CCQcFnjoOF163SSKIEESmO8JVyxhABX0tQGERH9+3P1HkCddHVWT6CnbkI8B5z8= Received: by 10.64.181.12 with SMTP id d12mr17698765qbf.1196415079313; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e19sm4532507qbe.2007.11.30.01.31.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:31:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:15 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:31:21 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have several "sub" accounts (for specialized purposes not really a part of an other account) which I do my work basically I have: aryeh -- my personal account web -- maintain my web site dev -- development/testing of software dep -- seperation of development and production code I almost always login into aryeh (xfce via xdm). Both web and dev require the use of variuous X applications but I don't want to logout and login back in and/or have to invoke the app from the cmd line (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a way to make it so I can launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon on the desktop and make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow or another make it aware that not everything is to be ruin as "aryeh")... ideas? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHT9hi358R5LPuPvsRAuuLAJ9SL/+omlsvtgT4vI0WP6b6+uJHnwCeOgKu RxFwBBsyW+KS8QJ0Sn6JuVI= =Gx9J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 09:47:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4424516A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C1913C4E5 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:47:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inter-sonic.com Message-ID: <474FDC43.2060407@intersonic.se> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:47:47 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: amd64 HP SA6i RAID5 no boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:47:53 -0000 Hi, What am I doing wrong? 7-Beta3 vanilla install from CD, I let sysinstall do "automatic" partitions and slices, then stops at "F1 FreeBSD" prompt and beeps. Obviously it cannot find anything to boot from. System is a SA6i RAID5-array with 6x300GB disks. Possibly I need to enter drive geometry manually but have no idea where to get that info from, perhaps somebody knows where to look? Thanks, --per From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 10:02:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB2F16A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rihad@mail.ru) Received: from mx28.mail.ru (mx28.mail.ru [194.67.23.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F79513C474 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rihad@mail.ru) Received: from mx33.mail.ru (mx33.mail.ru [194.67.23.194]) by mx28.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id 671C2B167C for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:31:43 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [217.25.23.15] (port=19199 helo=[217.25.23.15]) by mx33.mail.ru with esmtp id 1Iy2Dl-000Fus-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:31:41 +0300 Message-ID: <474FD878.5020801@mail.ru> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:31:36 +0400 From: rihad User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20071018) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: running port as non-root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:02:51 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to run the net/openradius port as non-root by first changing /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius: . /etc/rc.subr name="openradius" rcvar=`set_rcvar` load_rc_config ${name} : ${openradius_enable="NO"} : ${openradius_flags="-o /var/log/openradius.log"} -command=/usr/local/sbin/radiusd +command=/usr/local/bin/sudo +flags="-u radius /usr/local/sbin/radiusd" run_rc_command "$1" (Lines marked with -/+ were removed/added by me, respectively). Then I add the radius user, allow it to run without sudo's asking for the password, and finally start the thing up: # pw useradd radius -d /nonexistent -s /usr/sbin/nologin # visudo # ... do the necessary chown/chmod on openradius logs/dictionaries ... # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius start All fine so far: everything starts up fine and runs. The problem starts here: # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius stop openradius not running? # ps -auxww | fgrep radiusd radius 89300 0.0 0.0 3756 1588 ?? Is 10:56AM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/radiusd ... any built-in way to make "stop" work, without changing rc.d/ too much? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 11:12:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515F516A41B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E3913C468 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so551588anc for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.216.3 with SMTP id o3mr13962505ang.1196421156068; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [67.189.206.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm2508568agc.2007.11.30.03.12.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:12:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:12:40 -0500 From: Gerard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: Seibercom.net In-Reply-To: <474FBDB4.2010307@pacific.net.sg> References: <10246062@srv.sem.ipt.ru> <474FBDB4.2010307@pacific.net.sg> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20071130061233.C34E.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="===[PGP/MIME_RFC2015]===474FEFF6.4823==="; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-SHA1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.42 [en] Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:12:37 -0000 --===[PGP/MIME_RFC2015]===474FEFF6.4823=== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On November 30, 2007 at 02:37AM Erich Dollansky wrote: [ snip ] > sensorship starts in the mind of the people. ^ "censorship " -- Gerard --===[PGP/MIME_RFC2015]===474FEFF6.4823=== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQBHT+/1tywW90PHGO8RAqKcAJwJYZa050+XGHqLm6fbCGJggE8XtgCeN5OC cOO1PfWTsQy4p+mdeptefto= =AlWz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --===[PGP/MIME_RFC2015]===474FEFF6.4823===-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 11:20:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4747616A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate4.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate4.pacific.net.sg [203.81.36.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 722DF13C45A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 28389 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 11:20:37 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate4.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 30 Nov 2007 11:20:35 -0000 Message-ID: <474FF1FB.7070407@pacific.net.sg> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:20:27 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <10246062@srv.sem.ipt.ru> <474FBDB4.2010307@pacific.net.sg> <20071130061233.C34E.GERARD@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20071130061233.C34E.GERARD@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:20:40 -0000 Hi, Gerard wrote: >> On November 30, 2007 at 02:37AM Erich Dollansky wrote: > > [ snip ] > >> sensorship starts in the mind of the people. > ^ > "censorship " > I have had a good laugh on this. Let me tell you, why it was so. I have had to write two documents over the last month with the word sensor or sense in every other sentence. It just shows how limited the own mind gets when it is busy with certain things and then even the spell checker does not complain anymore. It does not matter anymore what the words really mean. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 12:38:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A18C16A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:38:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hakmi@rogers.com) Received: from smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 42CDE13C478 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hakmi@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 39754 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 12:38:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=MMyczyXN/hTqzx+7JXm3NY9YnPIQTb7vCCUiaeAm8toeEIJWdegv7lrgVvhizazXjNHSkZ7iQAB0Kx4RiIdMK8C1v2paf9EHnuuMdP0JeDAgYy6stulY5Rmq/0w5og5SdMDMVMi+wPJuWoj1hek3QeNlD1HHvmF4HxltV12gjrE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO tamouh) (hakmi@rogers.com@99.224.65.182 with login) by smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 12:38:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LtJ.cVEVM1njje0z7fBNncQ3Dx_uuzohB3WeGN3gXXB8cvx7hiTfXKbI4J20vx5dBA-- From: "Tamouh H." To: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:40:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1d2a01c8334e$213b28d0$6700a8c0@tamouh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgzLPAbsIDHVF0iS1KW+/QdhsFVDwAIP2ng X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: FW: Dell 2950 RAID issues!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:38:16 -0000 FYI for anyone experiencing issues with Dell RAID. > > It come to my attention that Dell 2950 have issues with RAID > controllers while used with some hard drives under Linux. > Basically RAID configured hard drives are failing at rapid speed. > > Details: > ---------- > > M8033 HD,146G,SAS,3,10K,3.5,MXT,GEN > > * Firmware Version BP05 * Fixes and Enhancements > > ====================== This addresses Maxtor SAS HDD > firmware issues, > > where under certain circumstances a hard disk drive may go offline, > > hard disk drives (HDD), may report offline due to a timeout > condition. > > If the HDD is unable to complete commands, this may result in the > > controller reporting the HDD off line. This firmware update has > > improved SMART Reporting, where drives can report SMART > trips due to > > aggressive SMART Error Rate Measurement counters during > read verifies > ------------------- > > > Dell has advised to upgrade the RAID controller firmware. > Tamouh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 12:40:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0E116A474 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5587213C4F2 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.14.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAUCeveN043345 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:40:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.14.1/8.13.1/Submit) id lAUCeq1s043344 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:40:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:40:47 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130124047.GA42984@wjv.com> References: <20071130054906.B5CEC16A53E@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071130054906.B5CEC16A53E@hub.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:40:59 -0000 On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 05:49 , freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org moved his mouse, rebooted for the change to take effect, and then said: > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:42:44 -0500 > From: Bill Moran > Subject: Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish. > In response to Wojciech Puchar : > > > ls | wc > > strange. i did > > [wojtek@wojtek ~/b]$ a=0;while [ $a -lt 10000 ];do mkdir $a;a=$[a+1];done > > completed <25 seconds on 1Ghz CPU > > ls takes 0.1 seconds user time, ls -l takes 0.3 second user time. > > unless you have 486/33 or slower system there is something wrong. > Another possible scenario is that the directory is badly fragmented. > Unless something has changed since I last researched this (which is > possible) FreeBSD doesn't manage directory fragmentation during use. > If you're constantly adding and removing files, it's possible that > the directory entry is such a mess that it takes ls a long time to > process it. > Of course, Wojciech's test won't demonstrate this, as the directory is > freshly created, even to the point that the filenames are actually in > alpha order in the directory. > One method to test this would be to tar up the directory and extract > it somewhere else on the machine (assuming you have enough space to do > so). If the newly created directory doesn't have the problem, it's > likely that the directory entry has become a mess. Use ls -l to > compare the sizes of the actual directories themselves as a little > exercise. There is a way to recreate the directory tree >without< having to use up a lot of free space. I used to do this when (in the old days) I was running a news node and some hierarchies would get so so large that directory access would be very slow even after the expire because the directory was so huge. Read the man page for cpio and use the -pdlmv option. This will create a new directory tree using ONLY links, so that you have done nothing except make a directory and have moved NO files at all. Then you can remove all the files in the original directory, returning the link count on each file to 1, and have an optimized directory that has all the files of the original. And if I recall correctly it will act like the tar utility where all the sub-directories will be in the first of each directory, thus reducing search time. I have >not< used the GNU version of this but used it all the time on SysV based systems I maintained - but it should be the same [however I have noticed that sometimes GNU based things have subtle changes at times]. > Anyway, if that turns out to be the problem, you can fix it by taring > the directory and then restoring it from the tarfile. Not an ideal > solution, mind you. Try the above sometime >>IF EVERYTHING IS ON THE SAME FILE SYSTEM<< and prepare to be amazed. It's fast. > -- > Bill Moran > http://www.potentialtech.com Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 12:45:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6405E16A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:45:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hakmi@rogers.com) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E2D8013C4F0 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hakmi@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 60082 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 12:45:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=uZppcWq5ybZbca+buQ/HaDW2wgh/BDeQOZUEo0RrFmcSkrtiSgFayjGuCHSm5dwkLOaNNg82GWrJzyzJaCqWtzktfOC9Sc48lQClK1YWTYrJ+O67ruBabviogSDqbg338AGNYX+iRGouka8P9sQCLrjITy+5hTRK2m07I3RvGV8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO tamouh) (hakmi@rogers.com@99.224.65.182 with login) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 12:45:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C3nM1bwVM1m7aCbLmv6WYjs1RxhzgSdR8WvWIj1sY.iJiM4KG0Pvln0rM1wZDxOgFw-- From: "Tamouh H." To: "'Jack Raats'" , References: <2b07feb30711300011u2911d583g6ad779bd879a0009@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:47:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1d2b01c8334f$2b3314a0$6700a8c0@tamouh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgzLOCcmjegjPFrROOl6sdMxCcLcAAIhVWA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <2b07feb30711300011u2911d583g6ad779bd879a0009@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Subject: RE: System crash while running maek installworld X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:45:42 -0000 =20 >=20 > Hi >=20 > While running make installworld my computer crashed. (FreeBSD=20 > 6.2-p9 kernel) At this moment the system misses some of the=20 > elf libs. Running in single user mode and running make=20 > installworld again gives all kind of errors >=20 > Any leads to solve this problem?? >=20 > Jack Raats >=20 > PS. Perhaps this message will appear twice in the mailinglist=20 > due to the fact that my normal email address doesn't work=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 We need more information. What sorta system crash ? Does the system = reboot or does it freeze and lockup , or do you get kernel panic error ? = You're more likely looking at a hardware issue like power supply, = overheat CPU, memory or motherboard. Tamouh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 12:50:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489D816A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grunewald@laposte.net) Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr (smtp5-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF6713C447 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grunewald@laposte.net) Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0383F61B5; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:50:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from Llea.celt.neu (ron34-3-82-236-236-194.fbx.proxad.net [82.236.236.194]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7618D3F61CF; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:50:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from Llea.celt.neu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Llea.celt.neu (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAUCtuBC001361; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:55:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michael.grunewald@laposte.net) Received: (from michael@localhost) by Llea.celt.neu (8.14.1/8.13.8/Submit) id lAUCttA3001360; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:55:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michael.grunewald@laposte.net) X-Authentication-Warning: Llea.celt.neu: michael set sender to michael.grunewald@laposte.net using -f To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> From: michael.grunewald@laposte.net (=?iso-8859-15?Q?Micha=EBl_Gr=FCnewald?=) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:55:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> (Aryeh M. Friedman's message of "Fri\, 30 Nov 2007 04\:31\:15 -0500") Message-ID: <86k5nzgaec.fsf@Llea.celt.neu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:50:13 -0000 "Aryeh M. Friedman" writes: > I have several "sub" accounts (for specialized purposes not really a > part of an other account) which I do my work basically I have: > > aryeh -- my personal account > web -- maintain my web site > dev -- development/testing of software > dep -- seperation of development and production code > > I almost always login into aryeh (xfce via xdm). Both web and dev > require the use of variuous X applications but I don't want to logout > and login back in and/or have to invoke the app from the cmd line > (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a > way to make it so I can launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon > on the desktop and make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow > or another make it aware that not everything is to be ruin as > "aryeh")... ideas? An easy approach is to use Xnest to open a nested X session as user dev or whatever. You can find examples in ``OnLamp'' columns, if I remember well. Another way is to wrap is to use SSH's X connexion transfert, you can wrap your applications in scripts like this: `ssh -X dev@localhost $PROGRAM' A more complex approach is to design a way to `pass' DISPLAY information and XAUTH(1) information to your alternative accounts. You have to do it yourself (I guess) and still must wrap application into suitable scripts. Hope this helps. --=20 Cheers, Micha=EBl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 12:55:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4887A16A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org (cpc5-cmbg1-0-0-cust497.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.6.1.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E715B13C448 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id BFE226159; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7436760E2 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from danielby@localhost) by torus.slightlystrange.org (8.14.2/8.13.4/Submit) id lAUCtgc2010804 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:42 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:42 +0000 From: Daniel Bye To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130125541.GA10743@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <001401c8331d$05af93c0$4001a8c0@jarasoft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001401c8331d$05af93c0$4001a8c0@jarasoft.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A Subject: Re: serious problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:45 -0000 --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:48:30AM +0100, Jack Raats wrote: > Hi >=20 > While running make installworld my computer crashed. (FreeBSD 6.2-p9 kern= el) > At this moment the system misses some of the elf libs. Running in single= =20 > user mode and running make installworld again gives all kind of errors >=20 > Any leads to solve this problem?? It would be helpful to know what errors you are seeing.=20 --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHUAhNixf5fBYiFmoRAj2sAKCdOm1shpeya0V4kW1eeywnTkuNCACfZ2ft XlGWMT3LeN3xJ7c6WyuQ5X4= =OC2k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 13:13:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73D916A420 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:13:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grunewald@laposte.net) Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr (smtp5-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A50A13C458 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:13:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grunewald@laposte.net) Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92ABB3F6176; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:13:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from Llea.celt.neu (ron34-3-82-236-236-194.fbx.proxad.net [82.236.236.194]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1898A3F616E; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:13:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from Llea.celt.neu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Llea.celt.neu (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAUDJ29U001417; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:19:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michael.grunewald@laposte.net) Received: (from michael@localhost) by Llea.celt.neu (8.14.1/8.13.8/Submit) id lAUDJ1Fj001416; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:19:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michael.grunewald@laposte.net) X-Authentication-Warning: Llea.celt.neu: michael set sender to michael.grunewald@laposte.net using -f To: Boris Samorodov References: <10246062@srv.sem.ipt.ru> From: michael.grunewald@laposte.net (=?iso-8859-15?Q?Micha=EBl_Gr=FCnewald?=) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:19:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <10246062@srv.sem.ipt.ru> (Boris Samorodov's message of "Fri\, 30 Nov 2007 10\:37\:37 +0300") Message-ID: <86fxyng9bu.fsf@Llea.celt.neu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:13:20 -0000 Boris Samorodov writes: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:14:30 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> Fundamentally, you have to be educated to understand it. FreeBSD >> is first and formost, for the educated computer user. > > Ted, you may exchange famous Hitler's quotes with your highly educated > friends, laugh at Hirosima's anecdotes with your highly educated > japanese friends, etc. But every educated person should understand > what may be done privately and what should be done publicly. Making fun out of Hitler or Hiroshima is not in question here. Not every fortune cookie is supposed to be funny. Some of them are quotes from wise men, some from foolish ones, etc.; whenever the fortune program picks one and shows it to you, it's a side of human kind you see. Speaking of Hitler publicly is done in every school, which is relevant since we can be sure a new Hitler will come on day or the other to the Earth; and we all want to recognize him as quickly as possible. (BTW, it seems you have totally misunderstood Ted's position.) --=20 Cheers, Micha=EBl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 13:18:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB99216A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6907713C43E for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrichard@blythe-systems.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BD134820 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from tania.servebbs.org (pool-141-157-246-57.ny325.east.verizon.net [141.157.246.57]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290A8169AE for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:18:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:17:26 +0000 From: Bob Richards To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130131726.409b8456@tania.servebbs.org> In-Reply-To: <474F3B4F.9060907@olivent.com> References: <474F3B4F.9060907@olivent.com> Organization: blythe Systems X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) X-Face: +\{75whsIB]=i--WqkV^U>!y`<~%(FUd, DQs, &e1yLt==9%It?7#?n>%Splqb, lDIEu%WsB7o+6k2n`6Q5Fl, vJei{$-.KlHPHu/.~VuE=C[}lQmL}>V1t\yTn2iTwCfM`% Face: 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 X-WebDesign: www.lithium-design.com X-Consulting: www.blythe-systems.com X-Terminate: George W Bush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/ld=HnYP8v9L7=pqUWge.lKk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Producing a staticly-linked package from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rrichard@blythe-systems.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:18:18 -0000 --Sig_/ld=HnYP8v9L7=pqUWge.lKk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:21:03 -0500 Mikel King wrote: > Although I know this can be done, I am not certain of the exact=20 > procedure. Looks like this can NOT be done. I asked the author of claws-mail, and received this response. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From: Colin Leroy To: claws-mail-users@dotsrc.org Cc: rrichard@blythe-systems.com Subject: Re: statically-linked version of CM Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:15:52 +0100 X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.1.0cvs44 (GTK+ 2.12.0; i686-pc-linux-gnu) On 30 November 2007 at 11h11, Bob Richards wrote: Hi,=20 > I compiled claws-mail 3.0.2 with make CFLAGS=3D"$CFLAGS -static", but > when I moved the executable to the older install and tried to execute > it I get: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libgailutil.so.18" not > found, required by "claws-mail" >=20 > What is the proper way to produce a statically compiled claws-mail? =20 I don't know... I think the problem is that libgtk uses dlopen() to open modules, so you can't really statically link a GTK app... --=20 Colin =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D So, at least in the case of claws-mail, this does not appear to be possible. Unless someone here has something else to try? Bob --=20 _ /o\ // \\ The ASCII \\ // Ribbon Campaign \V/ Against HTML /A\ eMail! // \\ --Sig_/ld=HnYP8v9L7=pqUWge.lKk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHUA1vCiULygfUvEMRAsIaAJ9HY0C/5xaRKD/QmhlWpRajrGm8/ACfewH3 2wQHVnvqJqXbtsfs6ZNIzpE= =P1/2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/ld=HnYP8v9L7=pqUWge.lKk-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 13:41:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D4816A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:41:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnslinky@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697BF13C467 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnslinky@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so4909971pyb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:41:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=cAwP5PGCyeT4P5sK6FJaCvbvDtXDwTtuXyUSVK87QMc=; b=h8VdViUx98VcDR3T/8pMi1Tk2vLub8TnJ054QCnMMOc8qkzKJjwKl7frZT5hwMsl2qDU2wmkB5kGBdVBkeKpDrIsA6sUJUwhbp43/20T9hTbW48XIaWaqITVcOa5E+66OHkjNvJW3oHJeVg2geahJWvJfxPrjxZW7tj0+iuT2ks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; b=xPtpF1sP74fQ33mq22cCfdQ3tOENV/VJIwOOF2WpadGtDYH3iudGyoeMk2/NT8UYGiqbX96wJVW0IUiFrK8tHlOubk2Ljmwu4OMtoB2iG24S4R7BombfwUe2wJ3hdhrKz3r+cT0UkFZ06xmCaMkKXUudqdKTGuqKa61inP8xepE= Received: by 10.35.47.10 with SMTP id z10mr8962745pyj.1196430105561; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from swordfish.local.claimlynx.com ( [74.95.66.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n44sm10076144pyh.2007.11.30.05.41.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:41:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3838AD85-BD47-4437-9692-7FE4CCC4AF21@gmail.com> From: Eric Crist To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <474E6C55.4090306@ibctech.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:41:41 -0600 References: <200711290428.lAT4SOLd065598@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <1d3ed48c0711282112g389407ddyed367561910adfe4@mail.gmail.com> <474E50BC.7060501@ibctech.ca> <1d3ed48c0711282203r23e6d14cx5b97944ecda1de2a@mail.gmail.com> <474E6C55.4090306@ibctech.ca> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: Olivier Nicole , Kevin Downey , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure remote shell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:41:47 -0000 On Nov 29, 2007, at 1:37 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote: [snip] > A legitimate question: > > If I add user 'www' to 'sudoers' with the ability to run adduser, does > that not give user 'www' to put the added user in a group, perhaps > wheel? > > If said commands are passed via 'user' to web browser to web server, > run > within context of the web server user, and web server user has sudo > rights to the remote box, does that not mean that the server is > essentially 'executing user input'? Not if you use the right commands and configure the sudo stuff correctly. Since this is scripted, you can easily force a very specific set of commands on the script, and specifically omit the groups you do not want. man sudo is your friend. ----- Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 13:42:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AA616A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@superhero.nl) Received: from superman.superhero.nl (superhero.nl [82.95.198.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B2C13C465 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@superhero.nl) Received: (qmail 89084 invoked by uid 80); 30 Nov 2007 13:15:26 -0000 Received: from dikkie-fe0ecd70 ([10.202.77.101]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user gelsemap) by webmail.superhero.nl with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:15:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1587.10.202.77.101.1196428526.squirrel@webmail.superhero.nl> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:15:26 +0100 (CET) From: "Gelsema, P \(Patrick\) - FreeBSD" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: named.conf - unable to set control bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:42:21 -0000 Hi list, I have got the following issue. I have added the following settings in named.conf but am unable to get it working. If I read the man page it seems that what I have put in is completely correct. REason to put it in is that I want the DHCP server to automatically update the DNS zone. the error I get is: Nov 30 14:09:31 hulk named[6848]: reloading configuration failed: failure Nov 30 14:09:45 hulk named[6848]: /etc/namedb/named.conf:20: expected 'allow' near ';' Nov 30 14:09:45 hulk named[6848]: reloading configuration failed: unexpected token head -n 25 /etc/named/named.conf # generated with dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 128 -n USER DHCP_UPDATER key DHCP_UPDATER { algorithm HMAC-MD5.SIG-ALG.REG.INT; secret hashedstring==; }; acl "home" {10.202.77.0/24;127.0.0.1;}; options { // Relative to the chroot directory, if any directory "/etc/namedb"; pid-file "/var/run/named/pid"; dump-file "/var/dump/named_dump.db"; statistics-file "/var/stats/named.stats"; allow-query {"home"; }; }; controls { inet 127.0.0.1 port 953; allow { 127.0.0.1;10.202.77.110; } keys { "DHCP_UPDATER"; }; }; Line 20 is where controls start. Any help much appreciated. rgds, Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 13:45:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DD216A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:45:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kbcaleb@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B2913C46E for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kbcaleb@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so2387665uge for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:45:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=9jGGuohuKgoQB3o23RmCh7Fxk1namxsLOU7CJphkzUc=; b=LD4v44E95ZUB9trVFa4n8e2MNsozxDQyeJWws1HaCtid0juwYDLPgAbm8SDu4ZxOAkSwqDyhcljePknpq5uryCfbjJkfMjyp61jTzOWZcunby9jg70Vnd0pbnQzybCyKiFzmujRwbuvp4A1vlDT4yIufdPH/gIqGplWsl/C4PJ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Nu5nz+YO2tNwU4/q1gZl2gMYWA2PiTrr34OxrSSGV2Z0y5R13mhgjfOCPK+yBXUhwtmtVIIv4ZNBwsmIkZDNGMtZSZp2VDqDDc/whPw6/2YQZ5lRcAV3ImVRXr9qGOK+Hf4+6pk4nMTXHH+SF3KQdg5ZLCuM7c3gaXU9KUC8Mvk= Received: by 10.67.115.19 with SMTP id s19mr161681ugm.1196428851622; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.40.12 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:20:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:20:51 -0600 From: "Caleb Collins" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Terabyte drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:45:37 -0000 So I just installed a new terabyte WD drive and I am showing 902GB on the new drive, which I expect thank to the fact they use 1000 instead of 1024. However the problem I am seeing is that I am losing 72Gb from the start on the fresh drive. /dev/ad4s1c 902G 4.0K 830G 0% /media2 As you can see I am using 0% however I have already lost 72Gb. Is there a flag I am missing for newfs for new large drives or is this a bug with df. FreeBSD fellat.rackerx.com 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 13:50:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CE716A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F78B13C442 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447D1EBC3D; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:50:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:50:15 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: "Tamouh H." Message-Id: <20071130085015.213d66ac.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <1d2a01c8334e$213b28d0$6700a8c0@tamouh> References: <1d2a01c8334e$213b28d0$6700a8c0@tamouh> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Dell 2950 RAID issues!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:50:17 -0000 In response to "Tamouh H." : > > FYI for anyone experiencing issues with Dell RAID. We saw the behaviour described by Dell, applied the firmware updates, and now everything works fine. > > > > It come to my attention that Dell 2950 have issues with RAID > > controllers while used with some hard drives under Linux. > > Basically RAID configured hard drives are failing at rapid speed. > > > > Details: > > ---------- > > > M8033 HD,146G,SAS,3,10K,3.5,MXT,GEN > > > * Firmware Version BP05 * Fixes and Enhancements > > > ====================== This addresses Maxtor SAS HDD > > firmware issues, > > > where under certain circumstances a hard disk drive may go offline, > > > hard disk drives (HDD), may report offline due to a timeout > > condition. > > > If the HDD is unable to complete commands, this may result in the > > > controller reporting the HDD off line. This firmware update has > > > improved SMART Reporting, where drives can report SMART > > trips due to > > > aggressive SMART Error Rate Measurement counters during > > read verifies > > ------------------- > > > > > > Dell has advised to upgrade the RAID controller firmware. > > > > Tamouh > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 13:57:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E374916A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:57:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FA213C457 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:57:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-25-183.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.25.183]:49551 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Iy6Mx-0002hX-5S for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:57:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 6717 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 14:57:24 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2007 14:57:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 24584 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Nov 2007 14:57:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:57:24 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Caleb Collins Message-ID: <20071130135724.GA24534@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Caleb Collins , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Originating-IP: 83.253.25.183 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1Iy6Mx-0002hX-5S. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1Iy6Mx-0002hX-5S 3b5fb7aa73f1f3aee10283f67680ee0b Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Terabyte drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:57:29 -0000 On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:20:51AM -0600, Caleb Collins wrote: > So I just installed a new terabyte WD drive and I am showing 902GB on the > new drive, which I expect thank to the fact they use 1000 instead of 1024. > However the problem I am seeing is that I am losing 72Gb from the start on > the fresh drive. > > /dev/ad4s1c 902G 4.0K 830G 0% /media2 > > As you can see I am using 0% however I have already lost 72Gb. Is there a > flag I am missing for newfs for new large drives or is this a bug with df. See the FAQ: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#DISK-MORE-THAN-FULL -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 14:07:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B2A16A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QX=5145e9d0@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from turtle-out.mxes.net (turtle-out.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B7313C455 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QX=5145e9d0@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by turtle-in.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713FA164591 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0140D05AF for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:40:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:39:59 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130133959.5b353c1f@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> References: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:07:00 -0000 On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:15 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > but I don't want to logout > and login back in and/or have to invoke the app from the cmd line > (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a > way to make it so I can launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon > on the desktop and make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow > or another make it aware that not everything is to be ruin as > "aryeh") What I've done in the past is create extra categories in the KDE menu with the names of the other users, and then copy selected applications under there, and change their "Run as a different user" settings. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 14:24:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2932D16A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:24:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snowniak@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F037413C45D for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snowniak@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so1960126rvb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:24:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=g/1M8TIMl1y1dOxKGynggX9l08fxeA97ZSKZzVYa3Vg=; b=HXzzM+ZcLnLml9tZ97oxb0SVLYkHOgQM31zTCyh9lg7w46hgg44H4Kjq4l8b6Nbqpe22PnphtQgUN0TTgCOzTA2pOgzArmsbORl8p5HnQLK5AosXoZC7xOQ+wlL8qsq6w2V5Slb6cyYO63b4pLiZtozp4E1n2Po7wZ3mUKJKnr4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=uq6xbW4JJtUMxs7r1QhA+NZ6prxEET99U2pstA9Pydhn1Izq8+QQ92VuDGlK3A0GEx7Wl10AaMsHkPywRXXg5rQPvrpkT8FFTC607NXo4vtTMM12xXHO2RNmjaANf0boqcRoyfWZV2zb2b0iZbRbDhLu2ayx33WspM0yQgPl9Bc= Received: by 10.114.156.1 with SMTP id d1mr667497wae.1196431166149; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.145.19 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:59:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49eaeb190711300559u34557d6bha38a72d84a65caca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:59:26 -0300 From: "Lucas Neves Martins" To: questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Firewall Redirect X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:24:35 -0000 SGVsbG8gZ3V5cywKCknCtG0gaGF2aW5nIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmcgcHJvYmxlbToKClJlZGlyZWN0 IHJlcXVlc3RzIGZyb20gdGhlIHBvcnQgODAsIHRvIHRoZSBwb3J0IDgwODIuIC0gZm9yIGFwYWNo ZSB0b21jYXQuCgpJwrRtIG5ldyBvbiBmcmVlQlNELCBPZiBjb3Vyc2UsIEkgaGFkIGxvb2tlZCBv dXQgb24gZ29vZ2xlLCBhbmQgcmVhZCB0aGUKZmlyZXdhbGwgc2VjdGlvbiBvbiB0aGUgSGFuZGJv b2suCgpCdXQgb25seSBmb3VuZCBtaXNzZWQgdGhpbmdzLCBhbmQgbm90aGluZyB3b3JrZWQuCgpJ IGhhdmUgdHJpZWQgdGhpcyBjb21tYW5kczoKCiNoaXN0b3J5IHwgZ3JlcCBkaXZlcnQKCiAgICBI CgoKCiAgIDQyMiAgaXBmdyBhZGQgOTUwIGRpdmVydCA4MDgyIHRjcCBmcm9tIGFueSB0byBhbnkg ODAgdmlhIGVtMAogICA0MjUgIGlwZncgYWRkIDk1MCBkaXZlcnQgODA4MiB0Y3AgZnJvbSBhbnkg dG8gYW55IDgwIHZpYSBlbTAKICAgNDI4ICBpcGZ3IGFkZCA5NTAgZGl2ZXJ0IDgwIHRjcCBmcm9t IGFueSB0byBhbnkgODA4MiB2aWEgZW0wCiAgIDQzMiAgaXBmdyBhZGQgOTUwIGRpdmVydCA4MDgy IHRjcCBmcm9tIGFueSB0byBhbnkgODAgdmlhIGVtMAogICA0MzUgIGlwZncgYWRkIDk1MCBkaXZl cnQgODA4MiB0Y3AgZnJvbSBhbnkgdG8gYW55IDgwIHZpYSBlbTAKCgoKSSBrbm93IGhvdyB3b3Jr cyB0aGUgbnVtYmVyIDk1MCwgSSBrbm93IGl0IGlzIG9uIHRoZSByaWdodCBwb3NpdGlvbiwgYnV0 IEkKZG9udCBrbm93IGhvdyB3b3JrcyB0aGUgZGl2ZXJ0LAoKYW5kIGV2ZW4gd2hhdCBpdCBpcy4g SSBkb250IGtub3cgaWYgImRpdmVydCA4MDgyIiBtYWtlcyB0aGUgcmVxdWVzdHMgY29tZQpmcm9t IDgwLCBvciBnbyB0byA4MC4KCmRhbW4uLi4KCkFueSBoZWxwIHdpbGwgYmUgdXNlZnVsLgoKLS0K ClBTOiBJwrRtIHRyeWluZyB0byBkbyB0aGlzLCB0byBtYWtlIHRoZSB1c2VyICJ0b21jYXQiIHJ1 biB0aGUgYXBhY2hlLXRvbWNhdCwKb3BlbmluZyB0aGUgcG9ydCA4MDgyLCBhbmQgbWFrZSBpdAoK dHJhbnNwYXJlbnQgdG8gdXNlcnMgd2hvIGFjY2VzcyB0aGUgZG9tYWluIGJ5IHRoZSBjb21tb24g cG9ydCA4MC4KCgpUaGFua3MuCgoKLS0gClNub3duaWFrIC0gQlIK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 14:55:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E3916A475 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from mail-in06.adhost.com (mail-in06.adhost.com [216.211.128.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897D813C458 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from ad-exh01.adhost.lan (unknown [216.211.143.69]) by mail-in06.adhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC51C16484B; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:55:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([10.142.3.24]) by ad-exh01.adhost.lan with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:55:47 -0800 Message-Id: <4F77109B-7409-416F-BD51-F146F3915092@adhost.com> From: Michael Smith To: Jack Raats In-Reply-To: <001401c8331d$05af93c0$4001a8c0@jarasoft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:55:47 -0800 References: <001401c8331d$05af93c0$4001a8c0@jarasoft.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2007 14:55:47.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[17417830:01C83361] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-7.5.0.1243-5.0.1023-15576.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--7.340400-5.000000-2 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:55:49 -0000 Hello Jack: On Nov 29, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Jack Raats wrote: > Hi > > While running make installworld my computer crashed. (FreeBSD 6.2-p9 > kernel) > At this moment the system misses some of the elf libs. Running in > single user mode and running make installworld again gives all kind > of errors > > Any leads to solve this problem?? > > Jack Right out of the handbook. 23.4.14.6. What do I do if something goes wrong? Make absolutely sure your environment has no extraneous cruft from earlier builds. This is simple enough. # chflags -R noschg /usr/obj/usr # rm -rf /usr/obj/usr # cd /usr/src # make cleandir # make cleandir Yes, make cleandir really should be run twice. Then restart the whole process, starting with make buildworld. Regards, Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 14:59:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45A916A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:59:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B91913C4DD for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:59:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so1717252nzf for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:59:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xu/bDaHdtU2vLhE1qrvtu3tlXVBEpnSTECb/b5ZC07Y=; b=uFCmtUDVPFdEl9JNNdXc2dPeW3qXAchwiy7Bl85IrzSHIXe1tgz9dhbWuO2gUXE5sUV3hRaKdjNfL7w6peIOfGxcnaT3BBydd23OGy3LEd0RgnnEdlxvqn81xVzBoPwnyQPrMFAL/4/YifOB6ngLBi3woCIlF33wXUFw89U3xiE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JRMS5/6crDwdCjCmNMhKMjhNBhRGG0HJvKrwtRO1QlbfUzlVNdT82jqUe0rlk02eY7Ber8nb95jEbSEd/+eYgBB5j9s8ok3SQHriJ4l7wQ4UpBcQxqR8fqktI9meBIkeiJVhWL1+vQWpEtoVOttTQaXbuNbh4ucNdHXhrnKvYOY= Received: by 10.142.222.21 with SMTP id u21mr159636wfg.1196433217179; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.178.14 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:33:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:33:37 +0100 From: usleepless@gmail.com To: "Lucas Neves Martins" In-Reply-To: <49eaeb190711300559u34557d6bha38a72d84a65caca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <49eaeb190711300559u34557d6bha38a72d84a65caca@mail.gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall Redirect X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:59:40 -0000 On 11/30/07, Lucas Neves Martins wrote: > Hello guys, > > I=B4m having the following problem: > > Redirect requests from the port 80, to the port 8082. - for apache tomcat= . > > I=B4m new on freeBSD, Of course, I had looked out on google, and read the > firewall section on the Handbook. > > But only found missed things, and nothing worked. > > I have tried this commands: > > #history | grep divert > > H > > > > 422 ipfw add 950 divert 8082 tcp from any to any 80 via em0 > 425 ipfw add 950 divert 8082 tcp from any to any 80 via em0 > 428 ipfw add 950 divert 80 tcp from any to any 8082 via em0 > 432 ipfw add 950 divert 8082 tcp from any to any 80 via em0 > 435 ipfw add 950 divert 8082 tcp from any to any 80 via em0 > > > > I know how works the number 950, I know it is on the right position, but = I > dont know how works the divert, > > and even what it is. I dont know if "divert 8082" makes the requests come > from 80, or go to 80. > > damn... > > Any help will be useful. AFAIK, divert in ipfw diverts to unix-domain sockets. i think you might pull it off with ipnat + /etc/ipnat.conf: rdr em0 0.0.0.0/0 port 80 -> 0.0.0.0/0 port 8082 regards, usleep From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 15:08:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6C716A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@jarasoft.net) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.nl (zeus.jarasoft.nl [72.36.229.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76B313C45D for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@jarasoft.net) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.jarasoft.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFFD39942; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:09:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from www.jarasoft.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.jarasoft.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F4A39941; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:09:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from 194.26.142.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jack1) by www.jarasoft.nl with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:09:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47538.194.26.142.1.1196435350.squirrel@www.jarasoft.nl> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:09:10 +0100 (CET) From: "Jack Raats" To: "Michael Smith" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jack@jarasoft.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:08:52 -0000 Hi Michael, >> While running make installworld my computer crashed. (FreeBSD 6.2-p9 >> kernel) >> At this moment the system misses some of the elf libs. Running in >> single user mode and running make installworld again gives all kind >> of errors >> > Right out of the handbook. > > 23.4.14.6. What do I do if something goes wrong? > > Make absolutely sure your environment has no extraneous cruft from > earlier builds. This is simple enough. > > # chflags -R noschg /usr/obj/usr > # rm -rf /usr/obj/usr > # cd /usr/src > # make cleandir > # make cleandir > Yes, make cleandir really should be run twice. Due to the fact that the elf libraries are gone ?!?!? I cann't loging normally and I cannot run these commands. Tonight I try to get in single user and I'll retry what the handbook says Jack From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 15:11:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC90F16A478 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C3613C45A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAUFBBSr078611; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:11:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20071130090855.024585a0@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:11:03 -0600 To: "Gelsema, P \(Patrick\) - FreeBSD" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <1587.10.202.77.101.1196428526.squirrel@webmail.superhero.n l> References: <1587.10.202.77.101.1196428526.squirrel@webmail.superhero.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: named.conf - unable to set control bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:11:22 -0000 At 07:15 AM 11/30/2007, Gelsema, P \(Patrick\) - FreeBSD wrote: >Hi list, > >I have got the following issue. I have added the following settings in >named.conf but am unable to get it working. If I read the man page it >seems that what I have put in is completely correct. > >REason to put it in is that I want the DHCP server to automatically update >the DNS zone. > >the error I get is: > >Nov 30 14:09:31 hulk named[6848]: reloading configuration failed: failure >Nov 30 14:09:45 hulk named[6848]: /etc/namedb/named.conf:20: expected >'allow' near ';' >Nov 30 14:09:45 hulk named[6848]: reloading configuration failed: >unexpected token > >head -n 25 /etc/named/named.conf ># generated with dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 128 -n USER DHCP_UPDATER >key DHCP_UPDATER { > algorithm HMAC-MD5.SIG-ALG.REG.INT; > secret hashedstring==; > }; > >acl "home" {10.202.77.0/24;127.0.0.1;}; > >options { > // Relative to the chroot directory, if any > directory "/etc/namedb"; > pid-file "/var/run/named/pid"; > dump-file "/var/dump/named_dump.db"; > statistics-file "/var/stats/named.stats"; > allow-query {"home"; }; > >}; > >controls { > inet 127.0.0.1 port 953; >allow { 127.0.0.1;10.202.77.110; } keys { "DHCP_UPDATER"; }; >}; > >Line 20 is where controls start. > >Any help much appreciated. > >rgds, > >Patrick try either removing the "port 953;" from that line or just removing the ";" after the "port 953" -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 15:17:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8493F16A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468C413C442 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inter-sonic.com Message-ID: <47502999.4000708@intersonic.se> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:17:45 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <474FDC43.2060407@intersonic.se> In-Reply-To: <474FDC43.2060407@intersonic.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: amd64 HP SA6i RAID5 no boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:17:49 -0000 Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > Hi, > > What am I doing wrong? > > 7-Beta3 vanilla install from CD, I let sysinstall do "automatic" > partitions and slices, then stops at "F1 FreeBSD" prompt and beeps. > Obviously it cannot find anything to boot from. > > System is a SA6i RAID5-array with 6x300GB disks. Possibly I need to > enter drive geometry manually but have no idea where to get that info > from, perhaps somebody knows where to look? i386 does not boot either - same A RAID1+0 array with 4x36GB disks boots fine both amd64 and i386. So the logical drive size is a problem? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 15:27:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10E116A41B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B93813C448 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) id lAUFRbvi026119; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:27:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:27:37 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: rihad Message-ID: <20071130152736.GI35339@dan.emsphone.com> References: <474FD878.5020801@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474FD878.5020801@mail.ru> X-OS: FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: running port as non-root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:27:38 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 30), rihad said: > Hi, I'm trying to run the net/openradius port as non-root > by first changing /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius: > > . /etc/rc.subr > > name="openradius" > rcvar=`set_rcvar` > > load_rc_config ${name} > > : ${openradius_enable="NO"} > : ${openradius_flags="-o /var/log/openradius.log"} > > -command=/usr/local/sbin/radiusd > +command=/usr/local/bin/sudo > +flags="-u radius /usr/local/sbin/radiusd" It's much cleaner to simply set openradius_user=radius and let rc.subr handle the userid switching using su. > run_rc_command "$1" > > (Lines marked with -/+ were removed/added by me, respectively). > > Then I add the radius user, allow it to run without sudo's asking for > the password, and finally start the thing up: > # pw useradd radius -d /nonexistent -s /usr/sbin/nologin > # visudo > # ... do the necessary chown/chmod on openradius logs/dictionaries ... > # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius start > > All fine so far: everything starts up fine and runs. The problem starts > here: > # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius stop > openradius not running? > # ps -auxww | fgrep radiusd > radius 89300 0.0 0.0 3756 1588 ?? Is 10:56AM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/radiusd > ... > > any built-in way to make "stop" work, without changing rc.d/ too much? Problem is you set command=/usr/local/bin/sudo, so the stop sequence isn't looking for radiusd at all. For more info on rc scripts, see the rc.subr manpage and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/rc-scripting/index.html -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 15:39:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF19816A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bitabyss@gmail.com) Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [208.62.177.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779A913C4D5 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bitabyss@gmail.com) Received: from [172.23.23.190] (lan23.xxiii.com [208.62.177.50]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAUFdTtw013876 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:39:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bitabyss@gmail.com) Message-ID: <47502EB2.4010007@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:39:30 -0500 From: Rob User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <49eaeb190711300559u34557d6bha38a72d84a65caca@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49eaeb190711300559u34557d6bha38a72d84a65caca@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Firewall Redirect X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:39:30 -0000 Lucas Neves Martins wrote: > Redirect requests from the port 80, to the port 8082. - for apache tomcat. > [[snip]] > 422 ipfw add 950 divert 8082 tcp from any to any 80 via em0 > 425 ipfw add 950 divert 8082 tcp from any to any 80 via em0 > 428 ipfw add 950 divert 80 tcp from any to any 8082 via em0 It's not as "clean" as doing it with ipfw, but there a port redirect utilty in ports/net/redir that might do might accomplish what you want. -RW From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 15:48:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE2716A421 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D91C13C469 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAUFi7bo092353; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:44:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAUFi7aX092352; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:44:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:44:06 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Boris Samorodov Message-ID: <20071130154406.GA92323@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000801c82fa9$7c9ad700$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126162053.GB71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <004901c8304d$85913440$6d00a8c0@mobility> <20071126172611.GE71160@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <76327974@srv.sem.ipt.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <76327974@srv.sem.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:48:39 -0000 On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 10:05:45AM +0300, Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:11 -0500 Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > the hitler example remain with it because it establishes > > a very strong case-in-point example. > > Yep, shoot someone and then say -- hey, that's the best example of > what shouldn't be done! But, the shooting has already been done. Don't make it even more meaningless by learning nothing from it. ////jerry > > > WBR > -- > Boris Samorodov (bsam) > Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP > FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 15:59:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2983D16A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:59:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDEB13C455 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAUFsahS092386 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:54:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAUFsat3092385 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:54:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:54:36 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130155436.GB92323@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <10246062@srv.sem.ipt.ru> <474FBDB4.2010307@pacific.net.sg> <20071130061233.C34E.GERARD@seibercom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071130061233.C34E.GERARD@seibercom.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:59:08 -0000 On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 06:12:40AM -0500, Gerard wrote: > > On November 30, 2007 at 02:37AM Erich Dollansky wrote: > > [ snip ] > > > sensorship starts in the mind of the people. > ^ > "censorship " Well, maybe not if you are referring to the aesthetic appreciation of the item in question... Then again if you are part of one of those religious groups that like to perfume the place before praying, it would be censership. ////jerry > > -- > Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 15:59:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B6216A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D186313C442 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:59:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inter-sonic.com Message-ID: <4750334F.6010900@intersonic.se> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:59:11 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <474FDC43.2060407@intersonic.se> <47502999.4000708@intersonic.se> In-Reply-To: <47502999.4000708@intersonic.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: amd64 HP SA6i RAID5 no boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:59:16 -0000 Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >> Hi, >> >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> 7-Beta3 vanilla install from CD, I let sysinstall do "automatic" >> partitions and slices, then stops at "F1 FreeBSD" prompt and beeps. >> Obviously it cannot find anything to boot from. >> >> System is a SA6i RAID5-array with 6x300GB disks. Possibly I need to >> enter drive geometry manually but have no idea where to get that info >> from, perhaps somebody knows where to look? > > i386 does not boot either - same > A RAID1+0 array with 4x36GB disks boots fine both amd64 and i386. Right. If I create two slices, one 50G and one 1.3T and use the first for /, /var etc. then the system will boot. I would assume from the above that I could perhaps use some other utility to create a big single slice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 16:15:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B5516A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from entwistle.sonicboom.org (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4CA13C459 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (cele.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.172]) by entwistle.sonicboom.org (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAUG5IHX019681; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:05:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Message-ID: <475034D1.9030706@brianwhalen.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:05:37 -0800 From: Brian User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per olof Ljungmark References: <474FDC43.2060407@intersonic.se> <47502999.4000708@intersonic.se> <4750334F.6010900@intersonic.se> In-Reply-To: <4750334F.6010900@intersonic.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 HP SA6i RAID5 no boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:15:43 -0000 Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >> Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> What am I doing wrong? >>> >>> 7-Beta3 vanilla install from CD, I let sysinstall do "automatic" >>> partitions and slices, then stops at "F1 FreeBSD" prompt and beeps. >>> Obviously it cannot find anything to boot from. >>> >>> System is a SA6i RAID5-array with 6x300GB disks. Possibly I need to >>> enter drive geometry manually but have no idea where to get that >>> info from, perhaps somebody knows where to look? >> >> i386 does not boot either - same >> A RAID1+0 array with 4x36GB disks boots fine both amd64 and i386. > > Right. If I create two slices, one 50G and one 1.3T and use the first > for /, /var etc. then the system will boot. > > I would assume from the above that I could perhaps use some other > utility to create a big single slice. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Is the 2TB max implied here still true? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-August/095504.html brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 16:21:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBCA16A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAC813C458 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5020638pyb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:21:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5Ve4VwWVwifMMPxRIsIWwPR8/LrbPHIrozpXMmf2eD8=; b=JsnXgjg8v6GGJYPgpSzlCzRAN0M8IdT2kJVsgWQUob+9iC7fer36IlsKa3JX5W1XOA4H1HAQ0XRLviJzfI7mCWqbW7Q8tDRs+Y+Z4N/rW2nqXkRfQ7wmDOu+vEu8nwPb87Fsvh0ZONEs3J/LVFzW/1wEo4mmVyciYHcUGU0fVgQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vOPE39NXSErOO1eW/kRxSICOicsmuTVRCNbdC4rFQkF9VHo5kJVDtxl0psgN/pCh9w3WfwV+ikuF3lxlbo/vcsUr9ebCmR8gmTV0XPqRFBNJW68g/EOBAN3yQMxxUWTaDNW2WhNPMO2ctO3S1mmQdSjzxKC+x1GPz7Gy7f9nzII= Received: by 10.65.240.17 with SMTP id s17mr10495182qbr.1196439709065; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q16sm1624642qbq.2007.11.30.08.21.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:21:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4750389A.60908@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:21:46 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> <20071130133959.5b353c1f@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20071130133959.5b353c1f@gumby.homeunix.com.> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:21:58 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: > On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:15 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" > wrote: > >> but I don't want to logout and login back in and/or have to >> invoke the app from the cmd line (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY >> :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a way to make it so I can >> launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon on the desktop and >> make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow or another make >> it aware that not everything is to be ruin as "aryeh") > > What I've done in the past is create extra categories in the KDE > menu with the names of the other users, and then copy selected > applications under there, and change their "Run as a different > user" settings. Except I don't run kde and don't plan to (way too top heavy) - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUDia358R5LPuPvsRAjjZAJ9BCYivi8DyreomWMIrvWbWvYPNFQCg4uAH wjXGyE5yknVzfW6WAiPjX3I= =yhoN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 16:23:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFB616A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7038A13C447 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inter-sonic.com Message-ID: <4750390D.6020500@intersonic.se> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:23:41 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian References: <474FDC43.2060407@intersonic.se> <47502999.4000708@intersonic.se> <4750334F.6010900@intersonic.se> <475034D1.9030706@brianwhalen.net> In-Reply-To: <475034D1.9030706@brianwhalen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 HP SA6i RAID5 no boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:23:47 -0000 Brian wrote: > Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >> Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >>> Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> What am I doing wrong? >>>> >>>> 7-Beta3 vanilla install from CD, I let sysinstall do "automatic" >>>> partitions and slices, then stops at "F1 FreeBSD" prompt and beeps. >>>> Obviously it cannot find anything to boot from. >>>> >>>> System is a SA6i RAID5-array with 6x300GB disks. Possibly I need to >>>> enter drive geometry manually but have no idea where to get that >>>> info from, perhaps somebody knows where to look? >>> >>> i386 does not boot either - same >>> A RAID1+0 array with 4x36GB disks boots fine both amd64 and i386. >> >> Right. If I create two slices, one 50G and one 1.3T and use the first >> for /, /var etc. then the system will boot. >> >> I would assume from the above that I could perhaps use some other >> utility to create a big single slice. > Is the 2TB max implied here still true? > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-August/095504.html Could be but I have *less* than 2TB... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 16:41:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FAD16A41B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:41:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryallsd@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410C313C442 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryallsd@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2996192waf for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:41:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KoNTjLvbOpWxVdz5Uor9y1tKx4cc0cpoTY6EzcEQvok=; b=BLdj3cjbjrgHdlX+d+n5ka131Lg0xK/InqjUUUkP/x+eW8eQt6A18tMoeCEGAl+hv9O0apLrew+3HttBWz1i3XLskT/LLkgDUIiaYgcsFZDG+yguk8HvUd15JVpE+gvC2aAt8CiswgGJIms6DLsZdUK7ib8ghR5d/9NjbpmE1MY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TUPZUl/Mpffog5rNcG0entL4piseolDiYxXoffrHvLAAMlnQ5GGVca3ly1IC37DCVXPtcuiTXGn+M8YjipvoGVDwDmZN4wZy0pXnL/X3WzenM0jajhuQPeqEB4nMm1wLTi75W9mMFK+QXRifScPmLPps2guTIEg63kCE+wN4gYY= Received: by 10.114.124.1 with SMTP id w1mr508033wac.1196440903427; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.78.8 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:41:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:41:43 -0800 From: "Derrick Ryalls" To: "Per olof Ljungmark" In-Reply-To: <4750390D.6020500@intersonic.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <474FDC43.2060407@intersonic.se> <47502999.4000708@intersonic.se> <4750334F.6010900@intersonic.se> <475034D1.9030706@brianwhalen.net> <4750390D.6020500@intersonic.se> Cc: Brian , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 HP SA6i RAID5 no boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:41:44 -0000 > >>>> > >>>> 7-Beta3 vanilla install from CD, I let sysinstall do "automatic" > >>>> partitions and slices, then stops at "F1 FreeBSD" prompt and beeps. > >>>> Obviously it cannot find anything to boot from. > >>>> > >>>> System is a SA6i RAID5-array with 6x300GB disks. Possibly I need to > >>>> enter drive geometry manually but have no idea where to get that > >>>> info from, perhaps somebody knows where to look? > >>> > >>> i386 does not boot either - same > >>> A RAID1+0 array with 4x36GB disks boots fine both amd64 and i386. > >> > >> Right. If I create two slices, one 50G and one 1.3T and use the first > >> for /, /var etc. then the system will boot. > >> > >> I would assume from the above that I could perhaps use some other > >> utility to create a big single slice. > > > Is the 2TB max implied here still true? > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-August/095504.html > > Could be but I have *less* than 2TB... > _______________________________________________ I have a RAID-5 setup with 3 - 750GB drives. I was able to install, though I did get a couple of warnings in the setup screen about bad geometry (that I did nothing about). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 16:49:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2380816A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D357F13C448 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAUGnSOQ086535; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id y85+XV6R5pdX; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAUGnKNm086531; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <47503F0B.9000803@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:15 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070418 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> <20071130133959.5b353c1f@gumby.homeunix.com.> <4750389A.60908@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4750389A.60908@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:49:30 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > RW wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:15 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" >> wrote: >> >>> but I don't want to logout and login back in and/or have to >>> invoke the app from the cmd line (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY >>> :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a way to make it so I can >>> launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon on the desktop and >>> make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow or another make >>> it aware that not everything is to be ruin as "aryeh") What about adding the magical incantation to a menu item? You'd type it once, and then it'd be clicky-clicky after that. Dunno if it'd work, but I use this under XFCE to set up remote connections via ssh, ('Eterm -foo -bar -e ssh somehost'), rdesktop ('rdesktop somehost') and running Yet Another OS's terminal app via Wine, which is way too long a string to remember and type here. KDK -- Facts, apart from their relationships, are like labels on empty bottles. -- Sven Italla From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 16:56:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD7216A421 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QX=5145e9d0@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DABF13C45D for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QX=5145e9d0@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D11D05B1 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:56:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:56:07 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130165607.739898a4@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <4750389A.60908@gmail.com> References: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> <20071130133959.5b353c1f@gumby.homeunix.com.> <4750389A.60908@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:56:13 -0000 On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:21:46 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > What I've done in the past is create extra categories in the KDE > > menu with the names of the other users, and then copy selected > > applications under there, and change their "Run as a different > > user" settings. > > Except I don't run kde and don't plan to (way too top heavy) AFAIK none of the features I mentioned are unique to KDE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 17:01:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F3016A41B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC1F13C47E for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5053138pyb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:01:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SWqoeJf5UYNMv0EGAmOIzKyvausGz1A+E5tvuosVOUE=; b=agCFhykbhax9TJStkIHMKvx/HorN5Cb3YsQ6e+xe1yVNtPOqIx6Dg8UP2Do3AYXnWz+1a/6E7Nujddpt3/1bIk+1yrgW6nAg0sjkkOdAIo+/ptZWGaFWrkBGFvxzQEHL+seCKV7q3jktubqkHa82rcWij7Eigyq6c7glT9SUiPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FoLO1XpGNPkSgGvmZY6vgqyEZiHhQxA4Ndq3Fyk7KKNuyWA8KBdoSf4Zukw6x89/7sS2pc3UMu55a6cVKcwayVe0gdDLq3bSdvGBMmzXc6zeEGjLsZGUBwgqFWpbGy9cTwHtFZONDx+cflRJnNwwbRxxLe8PZCzugKMpezu+eX0= Received: by 10.65.81.10 with SMTP id i10mr18582890qbl.1196442113363; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q18sm4946815qbq.2007.11.30.09.01.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:01:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475041FE.2020402@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:01:50 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> <20071130133959.5b353c1f@gumby.homeunix.com.> <4750389A.60908@gmail.com> <20071130165607.739898a4@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20071130165607.739898a4@gumby.homeunix.com.> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:01:58 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: > On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:21:46 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> > >>> What I've done in the past is create extra categories in the >>> KDE menu with the names of the other users, and then copy >>> selected applications under there, and change their "Run as a >>> different user" settings. >> Except I don't run kde and don't plan to (way too top heavy) > > AFAIK none of the features I mentioned are unique to KDE Just looked through the options for xfce and see no mention of running as a diff user - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUEH+358R5LPuPvsRAvv+AJ9lg2CXtwdAHiFL8SHZtE+mNgMzagCg1OOH ldcLqoGTJnnKwGsL5B+b59Q= =vq0y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 17:02:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id BEBE116A421; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20071130170200.BEBE116A421@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Cc: Subject: How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:02:00 -0000 How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions. =================================================== Last update $Date: 2005/08/10 02:21:44 $ This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list. If you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your message: - You left out a subject line, or the subject line was not appropriate. - You formatted it in such a way that it was difficult to read. - You asked more than one unrelated question in one message. - You sent out a message with an incorrect date, time or time zone. - You sent out the same message more than once. - You sent an 'unsubscribe' message to FreeBSD-questions. If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you will get more than one copy of this message from different people. Read on, and your next message will be more successful. This document is also available on the web at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html. ===================================================================== Contents: I: Introduction II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions III: Should I ask -questions or -hackers? IV: How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions V: How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions I: Introduction =============== This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from FreeBSD-questions (the "newcomers"), and also those who answer the questions (the "hackers"). Note that the term "hacker" has nothing to do with breaking into other people's computers. The correct term for the latter activity is "cracker", but the popular press hasn't found out yet. The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking security, and have nothing to do with it. In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the different viewpoints of the two groups. The newcomers accused the hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English, and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration. In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions. In the following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that, we'll look at how to answer one. II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions ============================================== When you subscribed to FreeBSD-questions, you got a welcome message from freebsd-questions-request@FreeBSD.ORG. In this message, amongst other things, it told you how to unsubscribe. Here's a typical message: Welcome to the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list! If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions/me@me.org (obviously, substitute your mail address for "me@me.org"). You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org with the word 'help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. Normally, Mailman will remind you of your freebsd.org mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS User questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send "how to" questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Normally, unsubscribing is even simpler than the message suggests: you don't need to specify your mail ID unless it is different from the one which you specified when you subscribed. If Majordomo replies and tells you (incorrectly) that you're not on the list, this may mean one of two things: 1. You have changed your mail ID since you subscribed. That's where keeping the original message from majordomo comes in handy. For example, the sample message above shows my mail ID as grog@lemis.de. Since then, I have changed it to grog@lemis.com. If I were to try to remove grog@lemis.com from the list, it would fail: I would have to specify the name with which I joined. 2. You're subscribed to a mailing list which is subscribed to FreeBSD-questions. If that's the case, you'll have to figure out which one it is and get your name taken off that one. If you're not sure which one it might be, check the headers of the messages you receive from freebsd-questions: maybe there's a clue there. If you've done all this, and you still can't figure out what's going on, send a message to Postmaster@FreeBSD.org, and he will sort things out for you. Don't send a message to FreeBSD-questions: they can't help you. III: Should I ask -questions or -hackers? ========================================= Two mailing lists handle general questions about FreeBSD, FreeBSD-questions and FreeBSD-hackers. In some cases, it's not really clear which group you should ask. The following criteria should help for 99% of all questions, however: If the question is of a general nature, first check whether this isn't a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ). There's a list of these questions at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html, and also on your own system (once you've installed it) at /usr/share/doc/en/books/faq/index.html. Check there, and if you don't find an answer, ask FreeBSD-questions. Examples might be questions about installing FreeBSD or the use of a particular UNIX utility. If you think the question relates to a bug, but you're not sure, or you don't know how to look for it, send the message to FreeBSD-questions. If the question relates to a bug, and you're almost sure that it's a bug (for example, you can pinpoint the place in the code where it happens, and you maybe have a fix), then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. You should also enter a problem report with the send-pr utility. If the question relates to enhancements to FreeBSD, and you can make suggestions about how to implement them, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. If the question is of particularly technical nature, such as implementation details or suggestions for improvements, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. There are also a number of other specialized mailing lists, for example FreeBSD-isp, which caters to the interests of ISPs (Internet Service Providers) who run FreeBSD. If you happen to be an ISP, this doesn't mean you should automatically send your questions to FreeBSD-isp. The criteria above still apply, and it's in your interest to stick to them, since you're more likely to get good results that way. IV: How to submit a question ============================= When submitting a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider the following points: 1. Remember that nobody gets paid for answering a FreeBSD question. They do it of their own free will. You can influence this free will positively by submitting a well-formulated question supplying as much relevant information as possible. You can influence this free will negatively by submitting an incomplete, illegible, or rude question. It's perfectly possible to send a message to FreeBSD-questions and not get an answer even if you follow these rules. It's much more possible to not get an answer if you don't. In the rest of this document, we'll look at how to get the most out of your question to FreeBSD-questions. 2. Not everybody who answers FreeBSD questions reads every message: they look at the subject line and decide whether it interests them. Clearly, it's in your interest to specify a subject. ``FreeBSD problem'' or ``Help'' aren't enough. If you provide no subject at all, many people won't bother reading it. If your subject isn't specific enough, the people who can answer it may not read it. 3. When sending a new message, well, send a new message. Don't reply to some other message, erase the old content and change the subject line. That leaves an In-reply-to: header which many mail readers use to thread messages, so your message shows up as a reply to some other message. People often delete messages a whole thread at a time, so apart from irritating people, you also run a chance of having the message deleted unread. 4. Format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DON'T SHOUT!!!!!. We appreciate that a lot of people don't speak English as their first language, and we try to make allowances for that, but it's really painful to try to read a message written full of typos or without any line breaks. A lot of badly formatted messages come from bad mailers or badly configured mailers. The following mailers are known to send out badly formatted messages without you finding out about them: Eudora exmh Microsoft Exchange Microsoft Internet Mail Microsoft Outlook Netscape As you can see, the mailers in the Microsoft world are frequent offenders. If at all possible, use a UNIX mailer. If you must use a mailer under Microsoft environments, make sure it is set up correctly. Try not to use MIME: a lot of people use mailers which don't get on very well with MIME. For further information on this subject, check out http://www.lemis.com/email.html. 5. Make sure your time and time zone are set correctly. This may seem a little silly, since your message still gets there, but many of the people you are trying to reach get several hundred messages a day. They frequently sort the incoming messages by subject and by date, and if your message doesn't come before the first answer, they may assume they missed it and not bother to look. 6. Don't include unrelated questions in the same message. Firstly, a long message tends to scare people off, and secondly, it's more difficult to get all the people who can answer all the questions to read the message. 7. Specify as much information as possible. This is a difficult area, and we need to expand on what information you need to submit, but here's a start: If you get error messages, don't say ``I get error messages'', say (for example) ``I get the error message 'No route to host'''. If your system panics, don't say ``My system panicked'', say (for example) ``my system panicked with the message 'free vnode isn't'''. If you have difficulty installing FreeBSD, please tell us what hardware you have. In particular, it's important to know the IRQs and I/O addresses of the boards installed in your machine. If you have difficulty getting PPP to run, describe the configuration. Which version of PPP do you use? What kind of authentication do you have? Do you have a static or dynamic IP address? What kind of messages do you get in the log file? 8. If you don't get an answer immediately, or if you don't even see your own message appear on the list immediately, don't resend the message. Wait at least 24 hours. The FreeBSD mailer offloads messages to a number of subordinate mailers around the world, and sometimes it can take several hours for the mail to get through. And once it gets through, the one person who might know the answer will probably just have gone to bed in his part of the world. 9. If you do all this, and you still don't get an answer, there could be other reasons. For example, the problem is so complicated that nobody knows the answer, or the person who does know the answer was offline. If you don't get an answer after, say, a week, it might help to re-send the message. If you don't get an answer to your second message, though, you're probably not going to get one from this forum. Resending the same message again and again will only make you unpopular. To summarize, let's assume you know the answer to the following question (yes, it's the same one in each case :-). You choose which of these two questions you would be more prepared to answer: Message 1: Subject: (none) I just can't get hits damn silly FereBSD system to workd, and Im really good at this tsuff, but I have never seen anythign sho difficult to install, it jst wont work whatever I try so why don't y9ou guys tell me what I doing wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message 2: Subject: Problems installing FreeBSD I've just got the FreeBSD 2.1.5 CD-ROM from Walnut Creek, and I'm having a lot of difficulty installing it. I have a 66 MHz 486 with 16 MB of memory and an Adaptec 1540A SCSI board, a 1.2GB Quantum Fireball disk and a Toshiba 3501XA CD-ROM drive. The installation works just fine, but when I try to reboot the system, I get the message "Missing Operating System". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- V: How to follow up to a question ================================= Often you will want to send in additional information to a question you have already sent. The best way to do this is to reply to your original message. This has three advantages: 1. You include the original message text, so people will know what you're talking about. Don't forget to trim unnecessary text out, though. 2. The text in the subject line stays the same (you did remember to put one in, didn't you?). Many mailers will sort messages by subject. This helps group messages together. 3. The message reference numbers in the header will refer to the previous message. Some mailers, such as mutt, can thread messages, showing the exact relationships between the messages. VI: How to answer a question ============================ Before you answer a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider: 1. A lot of the points on submitting questions also apply to answering questions. Read them. 2. Has somebody already answered the question? The easiest way to check this is to sort your incoming mail by subject: then (hopefully) you'll see the question followed by any answers, all together. If somebody has already answered it, it doesn't automatically mean that you shouldn't send another answer. But it makes sense to read all the other answers first. 3. Do you have something to contribute beyond what has already been said? In general, "Yeah, me too" answers don't help much, although there are exceptions, like when somebody is describing a problem he's having, and he doesn't know whether it's his fault or whether there's something wrong with the hardware or software. If you do send a "me too" answer, you should also include any further relevant information. 4. Are you sure you understand the question? Very frequently, the person who asks the question is confused or doesn't express himself very well. Even with the best understanding of the system, it's easy to send a reply which doesn't answer the question. This doesn't help: you'll leave the person who submitted the question more frustrated or confused than ever. If nobody else answers, and you're not too sure either, you can always ask for more information. 5. Are you sure your answer is correct? If not, wait a day or so. If nobody else comes up with a better answer, you can still reply and say, for example, "I don't know if this is correct, but since nobody else has replied, why don't you try replacing your ATAPI CD-ROM with a frog?". 6. Unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. Many people on the FreeBSD-questions are "lurkers": they learn by reading messages sent and replied to by others. If you take a message which is of general interest off the list, you're depriving these people of their information. Be careful with group replies; lots of people send messages with hundreds of CCs. If this is the case, be sure to trim the Cc: lines appropriately. 7. Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the minimum, but don't overdo it. It should still be possible for somebody who didn't read the original message to understand what you're talking about. 8. Use some technique to identify which text came from the original message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending ``> '' to the original message works best. Leaving white space after the ``> '' and leave empty lines between your text and the original text both make the result more readable. 9. Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it replies). It's very difficult to read a thread of responses where each reply comes before the text to which it replies. 10. Most mailers change the subject line on a reply by prepending a text such as ``Re: ''. If your mailer doesn't do it automatically, you should do it manually. 11. If the submitter didn't abide by format conventions (lines too long, inappropriate subject line), please fix it. In the case of an incorrect subject line (such as ``HELP!!??''), change the subject line to (say) ``Re: Difficulties with sync PPP (was: HELP!!??)''. That way other people trying to follow the thread will have less difficulty following it. In such cases, it's appropriate to say what you did and why you did it, but try not to be rude. If you find you can't answer without being rude, don't answer. If you just want to reply to a message because of its bad format, just reply to the submitter, not to the list. You can just send him this message in reply, if you like. $Id: Howto-ask-questions,v 1.6 2005/08/10 02:21:44 grog Exp $ _______________________________________________ Thanks to Josh Paetzel for updating this document to describe mailman. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 17:02:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id C599916A469; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20071130170200.C599916A469@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Cc: Subject: "The Complete FreeBSD": errata and addenda X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:02:00 -0000 The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page or any other online documentation. The result is that most leading edge computer books are out of date almost before they are printed. Unfortunately, The Complete FreeBSD, published by O'Reilly, is no exception. Inevitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced. "The Complete FreeBSD" has been through a total of five editions, including its predecessor "Installing and Running FreeBSD". Two of these have been reprinted with corrections. I maintain a series of errata pages. Start at http://www.lemis.com/errata-4.html to find out how to get the errata information. Note also that the book has now been released for free download in PDF form. Instead of downloading the changed pages, you may prefer to download the entire book. See http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ for more information. Have you found a problem with the book, or maybe something confusing? Please let me know: I'm no longer constantly updating it, but I may be able to help Greg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 17:30:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FBC16A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0660613C458 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:30:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so583769anc for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:29:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=BDWZmltYHL4arCCiXuzHVQ/nX+vX5gaT3UVfAi++wUU=; b=j36ijHYEDA4uBzsUt3wocftlFYEBpHaqUeGZqifG4GmH0njq5BsSoKH5XKYXv+0Eu+eCptv0dA4M7I3YFjxN/JAL7c3oyXbG9dtb2fh4FcOfmLDl6YEydJtXgcLO/prTQQbBQQanmUwKAGr1npCtAeSrCtG1gJ8nktiXl1jqSE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=au4A/wMsg9bOzy88pKpFX8QreAsEv7aIshFR/CM5BlBfPN7ejCmlFO/T4ZXMvsmsntunexaa6EKypWJMy3P61UBWG3pZohOCc7rMHL6KBvmeQfpIwk2NcS2BW8V8fSUShInz3Ebn6p+KfOsvLeuGi5OUDMyhuFFfW+I1VraOvy0= Received: by 10.100.206.11 with SMTP id d11mr14649718ang.1196442316483; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.215.10 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:05:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <57d710000711300905s71a6c638mad7546ff3416e932@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:05:16 -0800 From: "pete wright" To: "Lucas Neves Martins" In-Reply-To: <49eaeb190711300559u34557d6bha38a72d84a65caca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <49eaeb190711300559u34557d6bha38a72d84a65caca@mail.gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall Redirect X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:30:01 -0000 On Nov 30, 2007 5:59 AM, Lucas Neves Martins wrote: > Hello guys, > > I=B4m having the following problem: > > Redirect requests from the port 80, to the port 8082. - for apache tomcat= . > > I=B4m new on freeBSD, Of course, I had looked out on google, and read the > firewall section on the Handbook. > snipping some ipfw rules... > > PS: I=B4m trying to do this, to make the user "tomcat" run the apache-tom= cat, > opening the port 8082, and make it > > transparent to users who access the domain by the common port 80. > another method to achieve this that may be interesting for you is to use mod_jk to redirect requests coming in on your priv'd port 80 apache daemon to your tomcat processes on an unpriv'd port: http://tomcat.apache.org/connectors-doc/ I won't go into the whole configuration here - but going this route may give you more flexibility than using a packetfilter ruleset and will allow you take advantage of load balancing etc. with mod_jk as well. i currently use this setup for a site that serves both static content from httpd and .jsp pages from tomcat all on the same box. HTH -pete --=20 ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 18:15:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD60316A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.van_den_hoff@fzd.de) Received: from ix2.fz-rossendorf.de (ix2.fz-rossendorf.de [149.220.4.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9191513C45D for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.van_den_hoff@fzd.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ix2.fz-rossendorf.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE5EBC71 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:56:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from ix2.fz-rossendorf.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ix2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11561-02-2 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:56:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from fz-rossendorf.de (cg2.fzd.de [149.220.4.66]) by ix2.fz-rossendorf.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8F8BC5E for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:56:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [149.220.10.42] (HELO localhost) by cg2.fz-rossendorf.de (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTP id 815249 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:56:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:56:34 +0100 From: Joerg van den Hoff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130175633.GA1244@marco.fz-rossendorf.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at fz-rossendorf.de Subject: problem with dual disk/ dual boot installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:15:33 -0000 dear list, today I've tried a very first installation of 6.2 on the second disk of an i86 machine which runs windows xp professional 2002 service pack 2 on disk one. initially, I erroneously did _not_ select installation of the boot manager on the first disk (were windows resides), but only on the second (the BSD one). after the intallation was completed without any apparent problems I noted my mistake (well, the machine was booting windows ...) and tried to correct it first with sysinstall doing excactly how the manual said (select first disk, leave immediately with Q and procede etc.). this had no effect (windows booting without any boot manager appearing....). second I tried to use bootinstall.exe boot.bin from disk 1. this led first to a message from windows (in german). approx. translation: "application tries to access the disk directly. this is not supported. this can result in incorrect operation of the application." after 'ignore'ing this message I got "Error 128 reading boot record from disk 0." in the dos shell. I've never used windows at all (rather MacOS X) up to now (but want to keep windows functional on the machine). so I don't know if I encounter a trivial windows permission problem here or what else. I tried to find the answer in the docs/faqs but to no avail. therefore, any help would be greatly appreciated. since I'm not (yet) supscribed to the list, mail/cc me directly, please. thanks in advance, joerg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 18:40:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3007316A421 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:40:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B6C13C442 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:40:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAUIZXkU093218; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:35:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAUIZX1Y093217; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:35:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:35:33 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Caleb Collins Message-ID: <20071130183533.GG92323@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Terabyte drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:40:05 -0000 On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:20:51AM -0600, Caleb Collins wrote: > So I just installed a new terabyte WD drive and I am showing 902GB on the > new drive, which I expect thank to the fact they use 1000 instead of 1024. > However the problem I am seeing is that I am losing 72Gb from the start on > the fresh drive. > > /dev/ad4s1c 902G 4.0K 830G 0% /media2 > > As you can see I am using 0% however I have already lost 72Gb. Is there a > flag I am missing for newfs for new large drives or is this a bug with df. > It is all in the documentation and FAQs. I believe what you are now seeing is the difference between the total space and the space available to be written by a user process. There is an amount (8%, if I remember correctly) on each filesystem that is reserved for use by the system/root. You can change that but should not. ////jerry > FreeBSD fellat.rackerx.com 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 > 11:05:30 UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP > i386 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 19:06:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B21C16A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jvk-list@thekrafts.org) Received: from smtpoutwbe05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpoutwbe05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [208.109.78.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5551913C448 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jvk-list@thekrafts.org) Received: (qmail 3072 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 18:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gem-wbe02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.189.27) by smtpoutwbe05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 18:39:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 15696 invoked by uid 99); 30 Nov 2007 18:39:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:39:32 -0700 From: jvk-list@thekrafts.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130113931.10b6271f30786ad7adcc9756bb6c2f30.9ed57b93b9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> User-Agent: Web-Based Email 4.12.7 X-Originating-IP: 153.26.241.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: CD Audio on D975XBX2 mobo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:06:12 -0000 I bought the board without looking at the audio parts, because "every" board has a CD in port. Turns out this one doesn't, it uses digital CD Audio and doesn't use the connector anymore ([1]http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-014753.htm ). Are there any options for playing CDs with FBSD on this board? I can rip the disk to MP3, then play that; but are there any ways to just play the disk? Thanks for any pointers in the right direction, Joe. References 1. http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-014753.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 19:11:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3622A16A41B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.robillard@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C31E13C45A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:11:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.robillard@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so2064096rvb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:11:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=zzQPiPuNJZ3pCfT8hOl1kAAbezHRGvYmeGQ7eBQ6jCo=; b=GVDO00mrpacQoy1KQN8YYA/kxqm+4Pqq7KPYw15vj+BDgU6MzO0hY57f0e66BC2u+cP+AInzZ4xWCgevYw7shBK9WdPMad+uoJLXvyBGaRTSF5x67SPNJ+BolTmz+R924est9e8sv1rhRfr56/W5vjmvG1NsMFHHhO3+WdQ8w1s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BqxJKltXo0fpBmvhQwa+egfaUneE207tN38kvB/lKnmX8SiadDIoZnvxPQHAjCMsebmEwN8nemaMnfyXnsQCMUSZKjRlBoF3XQAuQBamCFf3fnvagq+Vt6avw/gEyTQoEmxGM1XyIdXHhmREOI2f4azDsf0hw6AYZLUe+UMwxxU= Received: by 10.140.136.1 with SMTP id j1mr4209355rvd.1196449904238; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.186.16 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:11:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <226ae0c60711301111n39912b36qab8f79a9a38a7bfe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:11:44 -0500 From: "David Robillard" To: freebsd@superhero.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: named.conf - unable to set control bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:11:45 -0000 >Hi list, > >I have got the following issue. I have added the following settings in >named.conf but am unable to get it working. If I read the man page it >seems that what I have put in is completely correct. > >REason to put it in is that I want the DHCP server to automatically update >the DNS zone. > >the error I get is: > >Nov 30 14:09:31 hulk named[6848]: reloading configuration failed: failure >Nov 30 14:09:45 hulk named[6848]: /etc/namedb/named.conf:20: expected >'allow' near ';' >Nov 30 14:09:45 hulk named[6848]: reloading configuration failed: >unexpected token > >head -n 25 /etc/named/named.conf ># generated with dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 128 -n USER DHCP_UPDATER >key DHCP_UPDATER { > algorithm HMAC-MD5.SIG-ALG.REG.INT; > secret hashedstring==; > }; > >acl "home" {10.202.77.0/24;127.0.0.1;}; > >options { > // Relative to the chroot directory, if any > directory "/etc/namedb"; > pid-file "/var/run/named/pid"; > dump-file "/var/dump/named_dump.db"; > statistics-file "/var/stats/named.stats"; > allow-query {"home"; }; > >}; > >controls { > inet 127.0.0.1 port 953; >allow { 127.0.0.1;10.202.77.110; } keys { "DHCP_UPDATER"; }; >}; > >Line 20 is where controls start. > >Any help much appreciated. > >rgds, > >Patrick Patrick, When you update your named.conf file, make sure you run a syntax check before (re)starting named. Here's how you do it: named-checkconf /path/to/your/named.conf && echo $? If echo returns zero, then you're good to go. Otherwise, fix whatever problem is displayed. In your case, you need to remove one semi-colomn (";") to fix your problem. Here's what your control statement should look like: controls { inet 127.0.0.1 port 953 allow { 127.0.0.1;10.202.77.110; } keys { "DHCP_UPDATER"; }; }; Cheers, David -- David Robillard UNIX systems administrator & Oracle DBA CISSP, RHCE & Sun Certified Security Administrator Montreal: +1 514 966 0122 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 19:24:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8712C16A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Steve.Sun@ncc.edu) Received: from sun1.ncc.edu (sun1.ncc.edu [198.38.8.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098CF13C447 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:24:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Steve.Sun@ncc.edu) Received: from (unknown [198.38.8.175]) by my3300.ncc.edu with smtp id 047a_283bb286_9f77_11dc_95d8_00188b2f5488; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:05:03 -0500 Received: from OTLMobile ([10.11.3.37]) by sun1.ncc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0JSC00BAJ0EJAO@sun1.ncc.edu> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from (unknown [10.11.3.37]) by my3300.ncc.edu with smtp id 049d_c54c854a_9f6e_11dc_8ff1_00188b2f5488; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:05:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:24:56 -0500 From: Steve Sun To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <002b01c8337e$4f891960$25030b0a@OTLMobile> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Acgzfk8cyi+mtIQST1eEFXiY34w3VA== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071129-0, 11/29/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered HAS_X_HELO=0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:32:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: FreeBSD for Sony Playstation3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:24:49 -0000 I just have a quick question: will FreeBSD.org consider porting FreeBSD to Sony Playstation3? =========================== Stephen E. Sun, Ph.D. Dept of Mat/Cmp/ITE Nassau Community College, SUNY From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 19:37:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7648216A420 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from a.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAB413C457 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17191154C0E; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:15:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4750611C.4020800@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:14:36 -0600 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071027) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Clint Olsen References: <20071129230900.GC10829@belle.0lsen.net> In-Reply-To: <20071129230900.GC10829@belle.0lsen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Getting DHCP to 'update' DNS records locally X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:37:09 -0000 Clint Olsen wrote: > Apologies if this isn't the correct forum. I'd like to configure DNS on my > home network but make it work simultaneously with DHCP. So, when hosts are > plugged into the network and issued an IP, DNS is updated to reflect the > hostnames. That way I can refer to all my machines by name in all > databases and I can avoid hardcoding IP addresses. I know Windows allows > name-based recognition even in the instance you're using DHCP, but I'd like > it to work more generally with any type of machine on the network. > > The problem is, when I search for terms related to this, I get hits for > DynDNS and all that stuff which is /not/ what I want. I'm not trying to > update a remote DNS record. This is just a local thing. > > If there's a lightweight DNS server that comes with a DHCP daemon, that > would be fine too. I just need to know where to start. > > Thanks, > > -Clint > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I've also got an example of how to do this with bind9 and isc dhcpd. You can find it at http://www.ctln.org/contactus/team/reid/freebsd/ddns From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 20:28:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A245A16A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:28:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C29C13C46A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:28:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (cpe-24-175-90-48.tx.res.rr.com [24.175.90.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46479654F2 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:28:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:28:03 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> References: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:28:05 -0000 --On November 30, 2007 4:31:15 AM -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have several "sub" accounts (for specialized purposes not really a > part of an other account) which I do my work basically I have: > > aryeh -- my personal account > web -- maintain my web site > dev -- development/testing of software > dep -- seperation of development and production code > > I almost always login into aryeh (xfce via xdm). Both web and dev > require the use of variuous X applications but I don't want to logout > and login back in and/or have to invoke the app from the cmd line > (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a > way to make it so I can launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon > on the desktop and make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow > or another make it aware that not everything is to be ruin as > "aryeh")... ideas? > Make the commandline for executing the app (in the properties of the icon) "su - web /usr/local/bin/app"? I would think, when you launch it, you'd be prompted for the password and then the app would run. At least I've used that technique with sudo to run gui apps as root. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 20:44:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E4816A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from smtp224.math.arizona.edu (smtp224.math.arizona.edu [128.196.224.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC69C13C4CC for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from punosevac@math.arizona.edu) Received: from Debian-exim by smtp224.math.arizona.edu with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IyCjf-0005Xw-BD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:45:25 -0700 Received: from squirrelmail.math.arizona.edu ([128.196.224.241] ident=www-data) by smtp224.math.arizona.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IyCjS-0005XW-FH; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:45:06 -0700 Received: from 128.196.102.34 (SquirrelMail authenticated user punosevac) by squirrelmail.math.arizona.edu with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:43:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4046.128.196.102.34.1196455436.squirrel@squirrelmail.math.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <002b01c8337e$4f891960$25030b0a@OTLMobile> References: <002b01c8337e$4f891960$25030b0a@OTLMobile> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:43:56 -0700 (MST) From: punosevac@math.arizona.edu To: "Steve Sun" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Outgoing-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for Sony Playstation3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:44:18 -0000 > I just have a quick question: will FreeBSD.org consider porting FreeBSD to > Sony Playstation3? > > =========================== > Stephen E. Sun, Ph.D. > Dept of Mat/Cmp/ITE > Nassau Community College, SUNY > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I am not a developer but if I had to guess it would be NO. However, I NetBSD works like a charm on Sony Playstation2 http://www.netbsd.org/ports/playstation2/. and my guess will be that NetBSD 4.0 which is supposed to be released about the same time as FreeBSD 7.0 will work on Playstation3. Best, Predrag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 20:56:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D9216A468 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F001713C467 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2B2B4F0289; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:56:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.152.138.28] (helo=freebsdangel.de) by smtp08.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1IyCul-0003Vv-00; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:56:47 +0100 Message-ID: <47507926.5010103@web.de> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:57:10 +0100 From: Tino Engel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: elrap@web.de X-Sender: elrap@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1952e7uxdJpi6EDRZclncpQUIJ5IH+DIFV7DdWj yWy0r7z+C861VoHrCFLbcbnH9WtOIwZlhRMD4TwmeGqn6Carls Q2pBEwTq4= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:56:49 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman schrieb: > I almost always login into aryeh (xfce via xdm). Both web and dev > require the use of variuous X applications but I don't want to logout > and login back in and/or have to invoke the app from the cmd line > (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a > way to make it so I can launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon > on the desktop and make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow > or another make it aware that not everything is to be ruin as > "aryeh")... ideas? > > - -- > Aryeh M. Friedman > > Not very sophisticated, but an idea. Associate commands as follows assigned to an icons. xterm -e userwrapper.sh An userwrapper.sh is like this: #!/bin/sh echo "Enter username for $1" read USERNAME ssh -l $USERNAME $1 Rg, Tino From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 21:23:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406E416A420 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de (fmmailgate01.web.de [217.72.192.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068D213C46A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:23:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E1DB7373E4; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:23:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.152.138.28] (helo=freebsdangel.de) by smtp06.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1IyDKW-0005h7-00; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:23:24 +0100 Message-ID: <47507F65.6090006@web.de> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:23:49 +0100 From: Tino Engel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jvk-list@thekrafts.org References: <20071130113931.10b6271f30786ad7adcc9756bb6c2f30.9ed57b93b9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> In-Reply-To: <20071130113931.10b6271f30786ad7adcc9756bb6c2f30.9ed57b93b9.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: elrap@web.de X-Sender: elrap@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19mgzW5UgrW/BVybWPyfN5dwKqDFcdbGgu7j34J lYi/6PaujtDnvUiriBi7pmchlOXkttLsw4dLKhV0oTGopbrjGL gs1yQiDW0= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CD Audio on D975XBX2 mobo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:23:26 -0000 jvk-list@thekrafts.org schrieb: > I bought the board without looking at the audio parts, because "every" > board has a CD in port. Turns out this one doesn't, it uses digital > CD Audio and doesn't use the connector anymore > ([1]http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-014753.htm > ). Are there any options for playing CDs with FBSD on this board? I > can rip the disk to MP3, then play that; but are there any ways to > just play the disk? > > > > Thanks for any pointers in the right direction, > > Joe. > > References > > 1. http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-014753.htm > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > As long as you can rip it to mp3, you should be able to play it with e.g. vlc or any other cd player. Rg, Tino From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 21:32:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F63116A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:32:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB3813C442 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:32:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elrap@web.de) Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78753B3AEB26 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:32:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.152.138.28] (helo=freebsdangel.de) by smtp07.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1IyDTD-0001zw-00 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:32:23 +0100 Message-ID: <47508180.4040906@web.de> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:32:48 +0100 From: Tino Engel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: elrap@web.de X-Sender: elrap@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18qpZb9z1QmSpy4nBiuRtvono4bvESYboMhwBjR mPL3ZINecibSHsCJTVa4+QqrJPqCnG2TmckymvoSMZkYlQ8A81 RKc3QR1H0= Cc: Subject: Ports: Outdatet dependencies on jdk-1.5 (OpenOffice 2.3.*) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:32:25 -0000 Dear Freebeasties, I am trying to install openoffice. The dependency jdk-1.5 tells me as follows: Please open http://download.java.net/tiger/ in a web browser. Download the Update 13 Source, jdk-1_5_0_13-fcs-src-b05-jrl-25_sep_2007.jar and the Source Binaries, jdk-1_5_0_13-fcs-bin-b05-jrl-25_sep_2007.jar When browsing http://download.java.net/tiger/ I found out, they only provide Update 14 though update 13 is needed. I was unable to find the previous version by googling for it and searching the java site. Anyone knows, where to get the files, when the jdk will be updated or any other solution? Rg, Tino From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 21:41:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D27E16A420 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7427613C465 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4680DEBC3C; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:41:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:41:53 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Tino Engel Message-Id: <20071130164153.74a541ec.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <47508180.4040906@web.de> References: <47508180.4040906@web.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports: Outdatet dependencies on jdk-1.5 (OpenOffice 2.3.*) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:41:55 -0000 In response to Tino Engel : > Dear Freebeasties, > > I am trying to install openoffice. > The dependency jdk-1.5 tells me as follows: > > Please open http://download.java.net/tiger/ > in a web browser. Download the > Update 13 Source, jdk-1_5_0_13-fcs-src-b05-jrl-25_sep_2007.jar and the > Source Binaries, jdk-1_5_0_13-fcs-bin-b05-jrl-25_sep_2007.jar > > When browsing http://download.java.net/tiger/ I found out, they only > provide Update 14 though update 13 is needed. > > I was unable to find the previous version by googling for it and > searching the java site. > > Anyone knows, where to get the files, when the jdk will be updated or > any other solution? You should search the archives before asking questions: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=1602883+1605420+/usr/local/www/db/text/2007/freebsd-questions/20071125.freebsd-questions The various answers are in that thread. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 00:17:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB96A16A418 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sarvi@cisco.com) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CC013C45A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sarvi@cisco.com) Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2007 16:06:54 -0800 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lB106suJ027557 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:06:54 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lB106nqZ006090 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:06:54 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-229.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.122]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:06:49 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:06:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Building FreeBSD on Linux Thread-Index: AcgzrgwhWtyhpJXtTSSQxRwrFvwjlQ== From: "Saravanan Shanmugham (sarvi)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 00:06:49.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[11B77160:01C833AE] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3931; t=1196467614; x=1197331614; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=sarvi@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Saravanan=20Shanmugham=20(sarvi)=22=20 |Subject:=20Building=20FreeBSD=20on=20Linux=20 |Sender:=20; bh=L5QXrHlyf7H/O9JXBr+8wBiXxRthS2x6/Og3FG0D1ZM=; b=VJ9cbAkxMw5pdtwbI1SN6hCVuCNJXvphGS34nsNL8zBIn3pOrH+rM0Dzmm6ZuoiGAWYt65w1 Ha9EvXqD8HmBM27Uwd1IKJaDlFPAahkCC1LZEhrP9XOhPwSeLvXyUf0s; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=sarvi@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Building FreeBSD on Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:17:54 -0000 =20 Hi, I am trying to build all of FreeBSD from a Linux Machine and seem to be running into problems. We have farm of build machines that we use to build many other things and my team would look like to use it going forward for our FreeBSD development. =20 Has anyone tried this before?=20 =20 I have tried GNU Make 3.80 as well as pmake. And I can't seem to find bmake for Linux. =20 Can anyone tell me why this might be failing or point me in the right directiion. =20 Thanks, Sarvi =20 Logs------------------------------------------------------- sarvi-lnx:23> make buildworld Makefile:109: *** missing separator. Stop. =20 sarvi-lnx:25> pmake buildworld Makefile:109: *** missing separator. Stop. *** Error code 2 Stop. =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 02:47:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A453E16A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 02:47:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from mail0.rawbw.com (mail0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E5913C45A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 02:47:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from mail0.rawbw.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail0.rawbw.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB12lFFZ004253; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from www@localhost) by mail0.rawbw.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lB12lFor004252; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:47:15 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail0.rawbw.com: www set sender to yuri@rawbw.com using -f Received: from ip224.carlyle.sfo.ygnition.net (ip224.carlyle.sfo.ygnition.net [24.219.144.224]) by webmail.rawbw.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:47:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1196477234.4750cb32c46d2@webmail.rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:47:14 -0800 From: Yuri To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 24.219.144.224 Subject: Why ports for BETA tagged so late? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 02:47:18 -0000 7.0-BETA3 is very stable now. But when I upgraded I have to have all ports recompiled on 7.0. There are no binaries yet on FTP so I have to recompile all ports on my machine that takes a lot of time. Why port tree tagging is so late in the release schedule? All ports compile fine at this time. Many people can benefit from the earlier availability of binary packages. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 02:59:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B10E16A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 02:59:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0134513C447 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 02:59:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18787 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:30:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:30:10 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Glass Message-Id: <200712010230.TAA18787@lariat.net> To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Support for Realtek 8187-based USB Wi-Fi adapters? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 02:59:38 -0000 Is there a FreeBSD driver for USB Wi-Fi adapters based on the Realtek 8187 chip? Many vendors, including TrendNET, are coming out with USB adapters based on it. --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 04:44:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E7816A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 04:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (mail.freeode.co.uk [87.127.24.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C6913C447 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 04:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from asus.freeode.co.uk ([10.10.10.10]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB14iRRU062923 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 04:44:27 GMT (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 04:44:27 +0000 From: John Murphy To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20071201044427.38bd2c84@asus.freeode.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: What's the point of the shell choice in single user mode? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:44:30 -0000 I've just successfully done the world and kernel upgrade from 7 beta2 to beta3. I've always had a mergemaster phobia, but it didn't seem too bad this time. I thought I'd broken it after choosing /bin/tcsh as my shell in single user mode. It grumbled about termcap (I think) and then gave me a "simple shell" with a % prompt. fsck and mount were unknown commands and even though I could change directory to /usr or /home they were (apparently) empty! Scary! I now realise it was because they were not mounted of course. I'll know to always accept the suggested /bin/sh in future, but I was wondering if the only reason a choice of a different shell is offered is to scare the unwary. -- Thanks, John. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 06:03:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EAB16A469 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCB213C461 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id lB163UoG084665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:03:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id lB163UC5084664; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:03:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA25715; Fri, 30 Nov 07 21:48:31 PST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:48:00 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: Steve.Sun@ncc.edu, punosevac@math.arizona.edu Message-Id: <4750f590.nKqGlxroRUg5jfas%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <002b01c8337e$4f891960$25030b0a@OTLMobile> <4046.128.196.102.34.1196455436.squirrel@squirrelmail.math.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <4046.128.196.102.34.1196455436.squirrel@squirrelmail.math.arizona.edu> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for Sony Playstation3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:03:31 -0000 > > ... will FreeBSD.org consider porting FreeBSD to Sony > > Playstation3? > > ... NetBSD works like a charm on Sony Playstation2 > http://www.netbsd.org/ports/playstation2/. > > and my guess will be that NetBSD 4.0 which is supposed to > be released about the same time as FreeBSD 7.0 will work > on Playstation3. The IBM Cell processor in the PS3 is unique beast, similar in many ways to a PPC970 but with enough subtle (and some not-so-subtle) differences that the port would likely need to be overseen by someone familiar with such undertakings. This is not to predict that NetBSD 4.0 will or won't support it -- that could reasonably be asked on a NetBSD list -- but be aware that it may turn out to be a bigger job than one might initially expect. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 06:30:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA10716A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:30:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QY=fb6a7609@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from turtle-out.mxes.net (turtle-out.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B806E13C455 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:30:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QY=fb6a7609@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by turtle-in.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11453164712 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93EAD0501 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:12:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:12:39 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201061239.287d0db2@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20071130175633.GA1244@marco.fz-rossendorf.de> References: <20071130175633.GA1244@marco.fz-rossendorf.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: problem with dual disk/ dual boot installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:30:20 -0000 On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:56:34 +0100 Joerg van den Hoff wrote: > dear list, > > today I've tried a very first installation of 6.2 on the > second disk of an i86 machine which runs windows xp > professional 2002 service pack 2 on disk one. > > initially, I erroneously did _not_ select installation of > the boot manager on the first disk (were windows resides), > but only on the second (the BSD one). > > after the intallation was completed without any apparent > problems I noted my mistake (well, the machine was booting > windows ...) That setup sounds OK if you set the bios to boot the second drive, instead of the first. The FreeBSD boot-manager is very basic, it can only boot a local partition or chainload another drive, which is why you often need a copy on each disk. In your case Windows will chainload directly, since you have a standard MBR on the first drive. Your problem is that the bios is not booting into the drive with manager on it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 06:33:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E6316A41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:33:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1ADA13C44B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:33:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5536338pyb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:33:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=VmKyylCacNBmWa0+hAcT2xUtJCw0BDacjiRajVjEu4k=; b=Rx7BzE58U39fwc4g/iPIIBMjWdGGSaFVxJSmG8Xlqz3M3fvLe0smJemj0HEtFb3G3uvhl3m4/iXOvSyq2c4qoCRIhd4Y31fL5yqtJYB1jnrOgQUkDCmFg2KlLkBJViJg3YaeUamkiW4XDfqi6YILRk7e9fCZ+31ItmlDctOZJoU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nqh6giUg2H5gZyIt9mmSYk9KE4Ey46U67AMvkWv5svuVjuvv06AIwR/KG9Ryzu/lufSxylhk9pX4ntLDcy8MT8ict4a5GgYNuSwBwmGlnWj3sn72JqxI+4oNstHsQJAa/NJcqXsC5hLHqMlHdcY691dTYN0GnB/d29rt0duMfWc= Received: by 10.35.96.11 with SMTP id y11mr9947785pyl.1196490802058; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? ( [74.134.230.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f78sm986361pyh.2007.11.30.22.33.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:33:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4750f590.nKqGlxroRUg5jfas%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <002b01c8337e$4f891960$25030b0a@OTLMobile> <4046.128.196.102.34.1196455436.squirrel@squirrelmail.math.arizona.edu> <4750f590.nKqGlxroRUg5jfas%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <01de31c5fd551189725d0e5063a40341@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joshua Isom Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:33:12 -0600 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Cc: Steve.Sun@ncc.edu, punosevac@math.arizona.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for Sony Playstation3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:33:23 -0000 On Nov 30, 2007, at 11:48 PM, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >>> ... will FreeBSD.org consider porting FreeBSD to Sony >>> Playstation3? >> >> ... NetBSD works like a charm on Sony Playstation2 >> http://www.netbsd.org/ports/playstation2/. >> >> and my guess will be that NetBSD 4.0 which is supposed to >> be released about the same time as FreeBSD 7.0 will work >> on Playstation3. > > The IBM Cell processor in the PS3 is unique beast, similar in many > ways to a PPC970 but with enough subtle (and some not-so-subtle) > differences that the port would likely need to be overseen by > someone familiar with such undertakings. This is not to predict > that NetBSD 4.0 will or won't support it -- that could reasonably > be asked on a NetBSD list -- but be aware that it may turn out to > be a bigger job than one might initially expect. > Also don't forget, since it is a multiprocessor system, there's the difference between booting the OS and userland and taking full advantage of the hardware. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 06:47:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CD916A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QY=fb6a7609@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from turtle-out.mxes.net (turtle-out.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0410713C45B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QY=fb6a7609@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by turtle-in.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231F31642F8 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C540ED0501 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:18:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:18:13 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201061813.2a0e35e2@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20071201044427.38bd2c84@asus.freeode.co.uk> References: <20071201044427.38bd2c84@asus.freeode.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's the point of the shell choice in single user mode? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:47:00 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 04:44:27 +0000 John Murphy wrote: > I've just successfully done the world and kernel upgrade from 7 beta2 > to beta3. I've always had a mergemaster phobia, but it didn't seem too > bad this time. I thought I'd broken it after choosing /bin/tcsh as my > shell in single user mode. It grumbled about termcap (I think) and > then gave me a "simple shell" with a % prompt. > ... > I'll know to always accept the suggested /bin/sh in future, but I was > wondering if the only reason a choice of a different shell is offered > is to scare the unwary. Selecting /bin/[t]csh always works for me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 08:19:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4004016A418 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:19:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B85913C455 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:19:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Dec 2007 08:19:51 -0000 Received: from nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (EHLO mobileKamikaze.norad) [129.13.72.169] by mail.gmx.net (mp039) with SMTP; 01 Dec 2007 09:19:51 +0100 X-Authenticated: #5465401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/eubdlcpTeaZ7m9Al0XZi2jPCiry9bDQ2JCXM5ac SM5szgsJ8lg1jv Message-ID: <47511925.8080706@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:19:49 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071117) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Staals References: <474EBC23.3000901@gmx.de> <474F1E27.20906@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <474F1E27.20906@gmx.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Freminlins Subject: Re: 7.0 installation, and Xorg in particular X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:19:53 -0000 Frank Staals wrote: > Freminlins wrote: > > >> Err, yeah. Look through hundreds of packages to see which dependencies >> they >> have. Helpful. Not. >> >> This way of doing X11 is seriously unhelpful to end users. If having >> individual packages for everything is so good, please tell me why >> everything >> in /bin, /usr/bin and so on is not an individual package. It's because >> the >> idea of doing so is dumb. >> >> Frem. >> > Allthough I think the modular approach to Xorg is a good thing, I have > to agree the xorg-meta port installs A LOT of ports. A xorg-lite port an > xorg-lite port would be usefull for a user who is planning on installing > a low-end X windows environment. I thought I read at the > freebsd-ports list such thing was being worked on some time ago. But I > haven't heard anything about it anymore for quite some time now. What > happened to that idea ? I suppose because it's not needed: # cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg # make config-recursive will allow you to make all your choices. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 11:22:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D98316A421 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464AF13C455 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5632329pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:22:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MGRCkPFa2fwit9UNL2rI7C1sqtD+o7FpgspHVlbug2Y=; b=L1njXKVpBNaQXBOOy2DqOqIJIQuMX5801F431IAMkffIDWo+ezH3wQAl8o8t/zUKgRr/bQVIXXCBYhBiT2tEllCyxtphWEveXSAoKgiG3mj3zvK87vu4R25jNyotmk2QR2olzXzA9lkwP7xm9c/udFjFnHZS0NYN6TVUg+oM42E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YiwfyStFNQBjJZfTGJSSyIrpuR78CLBeh6Tya/D980avUFwdF9yXu46EAGeW9d73OSBlpKHl8B2GxjLU/2QLMnUIeMVaeWg4ts3ymM6BgQPogcakkyH7OmZL/fw6I2TRE8a2avjOLPph2y17pbSWQvIWwmVGhvzKYMtUaanomMw= Received: by 10.65.240.17 with SMTP id s17mr12526579qbr.1196508163058; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm5405838qbc.2007.12.01.03.22.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:22:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47514401.6060104@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:22:41 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <474FD863.2060004@gmail.com> <20071130133959.5b353c1f@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20071130133959.5b353c1f@gumby.homeunix.com.> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:22:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: >> but I don't want to logout >> and login back in and/or have to invoke the app from the cmd line >> (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a >> way to make it so I can launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon >> on the desktop and make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow >> or another make it aware that not everything is to be ruin as >> "aryeh") Even though not very flexible or elegant (in the long run) what I ended up doing was just sticking a backgrounded gnome-panel into the .cshrc for each acct - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUUQB358R5LPuPvsRAjDzAKCjg+kh4WXmIS6A+TQiw1wYOQbwDgCbBSYd 3v5Q+O+7CPH2+aPnG7qh/qk= =hCFf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 11:44:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124DD16A468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D423E13C44B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id a10so2427814qbd for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:44:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=4rGIGrfF7jZ21PBNMJmYkSFmgcp8uI16TdvtwNnwuLI=; b=Qy5rSXs9itcJmjnwqA5u4ocqADBuFJSevGwnW+2run5JmrA4TEgsO4KH1W9MrBNk/i9LDl2ISf4jkndjsI1Ni/v4B8VBCOkhJ3tbeCWm2qSLxV96yFRY4P412RODAiufhsOYFiv2kR6mCwJ6WufPAFXHj0S21HrHsOAq9EChmlQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=D6zF0x4+YfWlSpzoaITvZUfJZTszmj/3QM3pz+QxKgs+i8YqHQ6IZq+62vzPmKdyR4l2PNjxr5Oh5vRDRMl86np2wFVGqWFTO85shhgV2vcvJTQlbjVydR9sZaLa2pJMvdZdUqKD0ohM+zO/92kyW4DdvDcCzEIWOoc9M/VAycg= Received: by 10.65.194.13 with SMTP id w13mr415034qbp.1196509473318; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.231.2 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 03:44:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:44:33 +0200 From: "David Naylor" Sender: naylor.b.david@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6c9272abc7a710b0 Subject: FreeBSD Schedule X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:44:35 -0000 Hi, I saw that someone updated the schedule pages for FBSD-7: Thank you!!! David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 11:47:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BABC16A418 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:47:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E989E13C461 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id a10so2427916qbd for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:47:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=K2ZJF6QdQ+r/HK9yQ2zwj+Wxb8D4o1tLuoeMogk9Du8=; b=wIDMazWszWQAl3kEvePxExSXqqUgIoZN3GGqu1EiBPKsEzn6jW+CeYlhVimOXWF3hmbI7wD4MN6k5g7s/7fdS9XGBifp6IQUq3ZyfMnlyZy+6ixa98bQGLymewkHc1iGz8Boy3mhsPc20Ij7QMzMG8hPT5inAPn9MdrvAqb8+t4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=jWhtUMvN4WvzkZ+ytFcX0iuUfJX+2W9wxRq4DKODOKGQF6Al1upuuXrc1vPS73fef7tPN9oKkSKoQ6mXnlJkyfQH2h6XFuen2+30uTewNlbxFfB0zdCWB5oa2thCdY5q3lRA1SCc/9jeuXZqZ9BOFnYV60qzJ4KXwqF1vdiaESc= Received: by 10.65.139.9 with SMTP id r9mr169007qbn.1196509662094; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.231.2 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 03:47:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:47:42 +0200 From: "David Naylor" Sender: naylor.b.david@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 98d556d0e111b7c4 Subject: FreeBSD7 - PAE and nVidia X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:47:43 -0000 Hi, I have googled, looked though the mailing archives and the FreeBSD Handbook but I have not found out how to build a PAE FreeBSD kernel with nVidia graphics drivers included. This is for an Asus P5N-E system with 4GB of RAM and SLI graphics cards. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 12:08:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D737516A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@superhero.nl) Received: from superman.superhero.nl (superhero.nl [82.95.198.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5067613C448 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@superhero.nl) Received: (qmail 69206 invoked by uid 80); 1 Dec 2007 12:08:26 -0000 Received: from robin.ad.superhero.nl ([10.202.77.103]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user gelsemap) by webmail.superhero.nl with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:08:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1774.10.202.77.103.1196510906.squirrel@webmail.superhero.nl> In-Reply-To: <226ae0c60711301111n39912b36qab8f79a9a38a7bfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <226ae0c60711301111n39912b36qab8f79a9a38a7bfe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:08:26 +0100 (CET) From: "Gelsema, P \(Patrick\) - FreeBSD" To: "David Robillard" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd@superhero.nl, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: named.conf - unable to set control bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:08:41 -0000 On Fri, November 30, 2007 20:11, David Robillard wrote: >>Hi list, >> >>I have got the following issue. I have added the following settings in >>named.conf but am unable to get it working. If I read the man page it >>seems that what I have put in is completely correct. >> >>REason to put it in is that I want the DHCP server to automatically >> update >>the DNS zone. >> >>the error I get is: >> >>Nov 30 14:09:31 hulk named[6848]: reloading configuration failed: failure >>Nov 30 14:09:45 hulk named[6848]: /etc/namedb/named.conf:20: expected >>'allow' near ';' >>Nov 30 14:09:45 hulk named[6848]: reloading configuration failed: >>unexpected token >> >>head -n 25 /etc/named/named.conf >># generated with dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 128 -n USER DHCP_UPDATER >>key DHCP_UPDATER { >> algorithm HMAC-MD5.SIG-ALG.REG.INT; >> secret hashedstring==; >> }; >> >>acl "home" {10.202.77.0/24;127.0.0.1;}; >> >>options { >> // Relative to the chroot directory, if any >> directory "/etc/namedb"; >> pid-file "/var/run/named/pid"; >> dump-file "/var/dump/named_dump.db"; >> statistics-file "/var/stats/named.stats"; >> allow-query {"home"; }; >> >>}; >> >>controls { >> inet 127.0.0.1 port 953; >>allow { 127.0.0.1;10.202.77.110; } keys { "DHCP_UPDATER"; }; >>}; >> >>Line 20 is where controls start. >> >>Any help much appreciated. >> >>rgds, >> >>Patrick > > Patrick, > > When you update your named.conf file, make sure you run a syntax check > before (re)starting named. Here's how you do it: > > named-checkconf /path/to/your/named.conf && echo $? Thanks for the command. > > If echo returns zero, then you're good to go. Otherwise, fix whatever > problem is displayed. > > In your case, you need to remove one semi-colomn (";") to fix your > problem. Here's what your control statement should look like: > > controls { > inet 127.0.0.1 port 953 allow { 127.0.0.1;10.202.77.110; } > keys { "DHCP_UPDATER"; }; > }; > Ok. I was in the impression that the inet line had to be a seperate line. Changing it on one line and removing the ; solved it for me. Thanks > Cheers, > > David > -- > David Robillard > UNIX systems administrator & Oracle DBA > CISSP, RHCE & Sun Certified Security Administrator > Montreal: +1 514 966 0122 > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 12:17:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7082716A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ED713C4E5 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5654292pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:17:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6qZG1HeYIEEBLia407JbZBF964vz8m1eeCk2OLefZTc=; b=dlL2nFYxed+yrR8rLrxG5yYbPIIVVS+CghmChfD5W7SFqfnZOZ9lBImZHUsxE8OkVuX0phg0Otv/iPrAA423sWFALWijxXFv4wEaG7Xxre2c0cIpbEZopfkS3D8b1TEpvSXjVO5bv3X5m1nrd7nfcz+HuacRmZ3wlNnzmyfCEOg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xAWY9gG4n7D4ZpcxwZRqn9nBDyo22DkPAhxduVXXti/vRZwAVKFlPcWEMV8qh+TwIUdaCjjui7tiG5NHaazbjhTOX9IM6ynTxC8RyXr6m4rgq4KcuTUZzp4mx84zcAKVtzHnT0RZCsZDK1ayeYkTQt54Fj7WAtSB+LZEoX4CONw= Received: by 10.65.51.4 with SMTP id d4mr6708411qbk.1196511463026; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? 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Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Naylor References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD7 - PAE and nVidia X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:17:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Naylor wrote: > Hi, > > I have googled, looked though the mailing archives and the FreeBSD > Handbook but I have not found out how to build a PAE FreeBSD kernel > with nVidia graphics drivers included. This is for an Asus P5N-E > system with 4GB of RAM and SLI graphics cards. - From my experience PAE is ok for <4GB but over it stuff get weird... I use amd64 with the nv driver - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUVDl358R5LPuPvsRAqHqAJ9qb74cuN3vqCVIv5v7Ju0g0giTcQCfcvbT XP1KNhpnVQ16r+bkySuK5wg= =3jbA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 12:26:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDDE16A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:26:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from smtp.utwente.nl (unknown [IPv6:2001:610:1908:1000:204:23ff:feb7:ef56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362B713C4E3 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:26:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from lux.student.utwente.nl (lux.student.utwente.nl [130.89.170.81]) by smtp.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id lB1CQdiq013920; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:26:39 +0100 From: Pieter de Goeje To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:26:38 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712011326.39088.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact helpdesk@ITBE.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: pieter@degoeje.nl X-Spam-Status: No Cc: David Naylor Subject: Re: FreeBSD7 - PAE and nVidia X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:26:47 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007, David Naylor wrote: > I have googled, looked though the mailing archives and the FreeBSD > Handbook but I have not found out how to build a PAE FreeBSD kernel > with nVidia graphics drivers included. This is for an Asus P5N-E > system with 4GB of RAM and SLI graphics cards. PAE is not supported by the nvidia driver. I quote from pkg-message.in: "Note that this driver does not support PAE-enabled kernels." - Pieter de Goeje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 13:15:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A7616A420 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6ED613C458 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-25-183.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.25.183]:61593 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IySBr-0002le-5g for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:15:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 15687 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 14:15:26 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 1 Dec 2007 14:15:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 32933 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Dec 2007 14:15:26 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:15:26 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: John Murphy Message-ID: <20071201131526.GA32885@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: John Murphy , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20071201044427.38bd2c84@asus.freeode.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071201044427.38bd2c84@asus.freeode.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Originating-IP: 83.253.25.183 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1IySBr-0002le-5g. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1IySBr-0002le-5g 748153610c1d8d31aee8a415a01a9536 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: What's the point of the shell choice in single user mode? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:15:34 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 04:44:27AM +0000, John Murphy wrote: > I've just successfully done the world and kernel upgrade from 7 beta2 > to beta3. I've always had a mergemaster phobia, but it didn't seem too > bad this time. I thought I'd broken it after choosing /bin/tcsh as my > shell in single user mode. It grumbled about termcap (I think) and > then gave me a "simple shell" with a % prompt. > > fsck and mount were unknown commands and even though I could change > directory to /usr or /home they were (apparently) empty! Scary! > I now realise it was because they were not mounted of course. > > I'll know to always accept the suggested /bin/sh in future, but I was > wondering if the only reason a choice of a different shell is offered > is to scare the unwary. On possible scenario is that /bin/sh has - somehow - been corrupted, deleted or otherwise made unusable. In that situation it is very nice to be able to choose some other shell so you can at least try to fix the problem. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 13:46:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF9416A420 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org (cpc5-cmbg1-0-0-cust497.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.6.1.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658AC13C465 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id 9AFFD6456; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:46:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB76C61A1; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:46:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from danielby@localhost) by torus.slightlystrange.org (8.14.2/8.13.4/Submit) id lB1DkCRp004259; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:46:12 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:46:12 +0000 From: Daniel Bye To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20071201134611.GA1533@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , John Murphy References: <20071201044427.38bd2c84@asus.freeode.co.uk> <20071201131526.GA32885@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071201131526.GA32885@owl.midgard.homeip.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A Cc: John Murphy Subject: Re: What's the point of the shell choice in single user mode? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:46:17 -0000 --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 02:15:26PM +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 04:44:27AM +0000, John Murphy wrote: > > I've just successfully done the world and kernel upgrade from 7 beta2 > > to beta3. I've always had a mergemaster phobia, but it didn't seem too > > bad this time. I thought I'd broken it after choosing /bin/tcsh as my > > shell in single user mode. It grumbled about termcap (I think) and > > then gave me a "simple shell" with a % prompt. > >=20 > > fsck and mount were unknown commands and even though I could change > > directory to /usr or /home they were (apparently) empty! Scary! > > I now realise it was because they were not mounted of course. > >=20 > > I'll know to always accept the suggested /bin/sh in future, but I was > > wondering if the only reason a choice of a different shell is offered > > is to scare the unwary. >=20 > On possible scenario is that /bin/sh has - somehow - been corrupted, dele= ted > or otherwise made unusable. In that situation it is very nice to be able= to > choose some other shell so you can at least try to fix the problem. And some individuals even seem to prefer [t]csh over sh! I know, what's that all about? ;-P (runs to a safe distance to watch the fireworks...) John - you would have had the same experience had you selected sh - only the root file system is mounted if you come up into single user, which is why the installworld instructions tell you to mount all your other local file systems. As for fsck and mount being unknown, I suspect that's due to a very conservative initial PATH under tcsh, but as I don't use it, I don't know for sure. And the termcap grumble is=20 because /etc/termcap is actually a symlink to /usr/share/misc/termcap, which on your system is evidently not on your / fs. Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHUWWjixf5fBYiFmoRAnb1AJ4gE5tMe/nzo9VFpiQccGlcoHWh6ACfTBUM cggFvjZ6dSR5BQJCuAWOWH0= =wljD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 14:06:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4180816A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (mail.freeode.co.uk [87.127.24.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C7713C4EA for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from asus.freeode.co.uk ([10.10.10.10]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB1E6JRm064298 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:06:19 GMT (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:06:19 +0000 From: John Murphy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201140619.4b7332ba@asus.freeode.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20071201061813.2a0e35e2@gumby.homeunix.com.> References: <20071201044427.38bd2c84@asus.freeode.co.uk> <20071201061813.2a0e35e2@gumby.homeunix.com.> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's the point of the shell choice in single user mode? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:06:21 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:18:13 +0000 RW wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 04:44:27 +0000 > John Murphy wrote: > > > I've just successfully done the world and kernel upgrade from 7 beta2 > > to beta3. I've always had a mergemaster phobia, but it didn't seem too > > bad this time. I thought I'd broken it after choosing /bin/tcsh as my > > shell in single user mode. It grumbled about termcap (I think) and > > then gave me a "simple shell" with a % prompt. > > ... > > I'll know to always accept the suggested /bin/sh in future, but I was > > wondering if the only reason a choice of a different shell is offered > > is to scare the unwary. > > Selecting /bin/[t]csh always works for me. I just tried it again with exactly the same results (FreeBSD-7.0 beta3): [after pressing 4 at the Beasty menu] Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad4s2a Enter full path name of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: /bin/tcsh sh: Cannot open /etc/termcap sh: using dumb terminal settings %fsck -p fsck: Command not found %mount -u / mount: Command not found %reboot reboot: Command not found %exit logout ... continues to a Login prompt. Pressing RETURN or typing /bin/sh gets a '#' prompt and working fsck etc. Is your /etc/termcap a symlink? ll /etc/termcap lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 23 Nov 15 20:27 /etc/termcap -> /usr/share/misc/termcap -- Thanks, John. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 14:26:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F41916A420 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (mail.freeode.co.uk [87.127.24.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9501313C4E1 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from asus.freeode.co.uk ([10.10.10.10]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB1EQVlq064397 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:26:31 GMT (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:26:31 +0000 From: John Murphy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201142631.67f3cc7e@asus.freeode.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20071201134611.GA1533@torus.slightlystrange.org> References: <20071201044427.38bd2c84@asus.freeode.co.uk> <20071201131526.GA32885@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071201134611.GA1533@torus.slightlystrange.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's the point of the shell choice in single user mode? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:26:33 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:46:12 +0000 Daniel Bye wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 02:15:26PM +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 04:44:27AM +0000, John Murphy wrote: > > > I've just successfully done the world and kernel upgrade from 7 beta2 > > > to beta3. I've always had a mergemaster phobia, but it didn't seem too > > > bad this time. I thought I'd broken it after choosing /bin/tcsh as my > > > shell in single user mode. It grumbled about termcap (I think) and > > > then gave me a "simple shell" with a % prompt. > > > > > > fsck and mount were unknown commands and even though I could change > > > directory to /usr or /home they were (apparently) empty! Scary! > > > I now realise it was because they were not mounted of course. > > > > > > I'll know to always accept the suggested /bin/sh in future, but I was > > > wondering if the only reason a choice of a different shell is offered > > > is to scare the unwary. > > > > On possible scenario is that /bin/sh has - somehow - been corrupted, deleted > > or otherwise made unusable. In that situation it is very nice to be able to > > choose some other shell so you can at least try to fix the problem. > > And some individuals even seem to prefer [t]csh over sh! I know, what's > that all about? ;-P (runs to a safe distance to watch the fireworks...) > > John - you would have had the same experience had you selected sh - > only the root file system is mounted if you come up into single user, > which is why the installworld instructions tell you to mount all your > other local file systems. As for fsck and mount being unknown, I suspect > that's due to a very conservative initial PATH under tcsh, but as I > don't use it, I don't know for sure. And the termcap grumble is > because /etc/termcap is actually a symlink to /usr/share/misc/termcap, > which on your system is evidently not on your / fs. Ah, that explains it. /usr is indeed elsewhere ad4s2f in fact. [t]csh always gets my vote. (The government still seems to win though) :) -- Thanks, John. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 15:56:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0F516A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QY=fb6a7609@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED15E13C45B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QY=fb6a7609@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7620D0502 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:56:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:56:06 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201155606.1f0ee68d@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20071201140619.4b7332ba@asus.freeode.co.uk> References: <20071201044427.38bd2c84@asus.freeode.co.uk> <20071201061813.2a0e35e2@gumby.homeunix.com.> <20071201140619.4b7332ba@asus.freeode.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's the point of the shell choice in single user mode? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:56:11 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:06:19 +0000 John Murphy wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:18:13 +0000 > RW wrote: > > > Selecting /bin/[t]csh always works for me. > > I just tried it again with exactly the same results (FreeBSD-7.0 > beta3): > > [after pressing 4 at the Beasty menu] > > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad4s2a > Enter full path name of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: > /bin/tcsh > sh: Cannot open /etc/termcap > sh: using dumb terminal settings > %fsck -p > fsck: Command not found I see what you mean - I do get that. I thought you were saying that /bin/tcsh wasn't starting. Personally I just put all the commands for the single-user mode install into a simple script and run that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:02:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232F816A469 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:02:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D9F13C468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5737511pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:02:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HELZb5aOnpi2eCDZ9+yTBuY5I9qI3ICI1eYsYm9JDlc=; b=wLaESScHDvYKvbwQHWjXTq23+P3IYlhgw2a4trM24l6UhGy3U/c3HqCd9wBLJ9wC/kmK7PtO50L2SEUCx/qyc8Ip4MCkqhp6k5rR0d1zHpoVgs1nup4GF0nOP7jVWkJdEFeoaJqyB4yDD3XeE+iYj1tymxmrRs6CrSmLrfelkwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MTSZuyRGo/Asa4GmMNhQxI13YJFC/zUmcc6zdTi2DHy3hPavWecWJ81GlAPPnQhB8/k4pL01es7G6u7QEggOAQvYH/6jffwDar5VhkVi/a7F8FW6ieZc1i4IZjD9OUCSh3hlhDIoQsYbiQvi1aA8Ye3lbVICa3DoUXl2+K+Uuak= Received: by 10.65.251.17 with SMTP id d17mr21000115qbs.1196524920457; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e13sm5469508qbe.2007.12.01.08.01.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:01:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47518575.8050702@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:01:57 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: (OT) thunderbird + enigmail + gmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:02:03 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am running Thunderbird (2.0.0.7) and enigmail (0.95.5) to access my gmail and since last night I get a SSL certificate out of date message (says gmail's cert expired jan. 30 2005). Just for verification the output of date(1) on my end is: Sat Dec 1 11:01:29 EST 2007 Any ideas on how to make this go away? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUYV1358R5LPuPvsRAr3NAJ41z/tDYlb4O+nkdDmIf/pZzketzgCffO/Q F2ybvUg4QFN+zd+5WJ4/6wk= =a8FO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:13:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB4916A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@jarasoft.net) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.nl (zeus.jarasoft.nl [72.36.229.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D99F13C461 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:13:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@jarasoft.net) Received: from zeus.jarasoft.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.jarasoft.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2137B39942 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:14:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from jara3 (raats.xs4all.nl [82.95.230.43]) by zeus.jarasoft.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6942839941 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:14:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c83435$24d1f630$0202fea9@jarasoft.net> From: "Jack Raats" To: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:13:41 +0100 Organization: JaRaSoft, Steenbergen, Nederland MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE build error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Raats List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:13:46 -0000 After a sucessfull build of the kernel and world, make installworld = gives the following errors: install-info --quiet --defsection=3D"Programming & development tools." = --defentry=3D"* libcom_err: (com_err). A Common Error Description = Library for UNIX." com_err.info /usr/share/info/dir install-info: /usr/share/info/dir: empty file *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcom_err. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE source file"s: december 1 at 13:00 hours DUtch local time (using cvsup) Who can help? Jack Raats From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:19:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F91D16A41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:19:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D43913C46A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:19:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5744441pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:19:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=kIH2MW1dTdFxVZCvYx5TwxcZu64wto4QEkKPMREWxQ0=; b=xSWmTGZhONlCPl3S98lkfxN7o0IXP3mYP3HBMb8d1XZ503ktRr/K9oyB4h/yg4HcU8l0Ao/wso9ADJCQkLrNRJwu0vrcqWicWMNzSqlw3RzZ9IP+cAUngsHLetURsSgy3l3sGoXLXomdMB0SRAM9Lg2npwaWmC/vmt8mf+7w6Qk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kbz9mzOwGtdwtbdXzTh2MGtE7p36ZENJfFkdFATC23PW7uGi1Q2E4FO/Z0IufMo/1wlHABktBqoDcmd6zBXLw1RM6dcKphupQjrc3Y69w8+IHkXQBD1+rAhAhnXs3RdVSUWRWe6S3SJGND9WvgJxl/bVTFAdExqgpzV6bUcahMI= Received: by 10.64.153.4 with SMTP id a4mr21051596qbe.1196525977004; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.231.2 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:19:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:19:36 +0200 From: "David Naylor" Sender: naylor.b.david@gmail.com To: "Pieter de Goeje" In-Reply-To: <200712011326.39088.pieter@degoeje.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200712011326.39088.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e696341a85286ea4 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD7 - PAE and nVidia X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:19:39 -0000 Thanks for the info. Also from what I can see PAE does not support USB. The reason why I am using i386 is because I'm not going to sacrifice my gaming :-) which means nvidia. Thanks David p.s. I'm volunteering to do any testing for an amd64 version of the nvidia driver... On 01/12/2007, Pieter de Goeje wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007, David Naylor wrote: > > I have googled, looked though the mailing archives and the FreeBSD > > Handbook but I have not found out how to build a PAE FreeBSD kernel > > with nVidia graphics drivers included. This is for an Asus P5N-E > > system with 4GB of RAM and SLI graphics cards. > PAE is not supported by the nvidia driver. I quote from pkg-message.in: > "Note that this driver does not support PAE-enabled kernels." > > - Pieter de Goeje > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:47:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9543016A41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:47:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532DC13C4D3 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:47:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lB1GleH2056941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:47:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <47519028.9080204@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:47:36 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk Organization: TundraWare Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-tundraware.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-tundraware.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-tundraware.com-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Still Seeing A Problem Building dmx X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tundra@tundraware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:47:44 -0000 Has anyone found a work around for this? It's been a problem for several months: ../../config/libconfig.a(hal.o)(.text+0x774): In function `connect_hook': : undefined reference to `libhal_ctx_set_device_removed' ../../config/libconfig.a(hal.o)(.text+0x78b): In function `connect_hook': : undefined reference to `libhal_find_device_by_capability' ../../config/libconfig.a(hal.o)(.text+0x7b8): In function `connect_hook': : undefined reference to `libhal_free_string_array' ../../config/libconfig.a(hal.o)(.text+0x7c3): In function `connect_hook': : undefined reference to `dbus_error_free' ../../config/libconfig.a(hal.o)(.text+0x7e2): In function `connect_hook': : undefined reference to `libhal_ctx_free' ../../config/libconfig.a(hal.o)(.text+0x7ed): In function `connect_hook': : undefined reference to `dbus_error_free' ../../config/libconfig.a(hal.o)(.text+0x819): In function `connect_hook': : undefined reference to `libhal_ctx_new' ../../config/libconfig.a(hal.o)(.text+0x853): In function `connect_hook': : undefined reference to `libhal_ctx_shutdown' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-servers/xorg-dmx/work/xorg-server-1.4/hw/dmx. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-servers/xorg-dmx/work/xorg-server-1.4/hw/dmx. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-servers/xorg-dmx/work/xorg-server-1.4/hw. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-servers/xorg-dmx/work/xorg-server-1.4. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-servers/xorg-dmx. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade.14826.101 env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=xorg-dmx-1.2.0,1 UPGRADE_PORT_VER=1.2.0,1 make BATCH=yes -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 17:03:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A2016A41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:03:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from colin.brace@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE56A13C469 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from colin.brace@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so487213mue for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:03:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=VlYcZgztrplp0cNYqsDEJmZ+LXRVgJWjgYWmJ3g4B6M=; b=Kg51XV3ywIKDauT52kI1rJOA7YJxvhgg7ECEACH4/ul/nvP4eoTnmS78nKo5S4MNrpt5j9r5+eNyi/jK4u9QKZo4fQnFRXDmGP+Ue+gkYhNAP0Edw+g4ucTNzF8jq4cAm5BEszZB88qyfsrl5JSno7H7zzv3u6YF5+05IVkniA0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=xWuiJ9KlXg+rRbm7aVSuk/vpvrHbzeZHd4UM4vnxKKWmBDXvDvmVEW97ui0nO6JHT0Z//WA7f65+Wg4Mi8hvO5dEvDZPhP5CoMs8/G2RfY2TLpt08ajevg+skuKk9TxQ6jRSwNsPhQ0TiaIhpui4Xqa7NccGG4TYhVt4Ru3JVIw= Received: by 10.82.183.19 with SMTP id g19mr10708532buf.1196527033437; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:37:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.108.2 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:37:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:37:13 +0100 From: "Colin Brace" Sender: colin.brace@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3c967a82664e464f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: acx100 under 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:03:39 -0000 Hi all, I have a wireless card with the Texas Instruments ACX 111 chipset that appears to be supported by the acx100 driver. However, when I run "make install" in /usr/ports/net/acx100, I get an error message: $ sudo make install ===> acx100-20040701_1 is marked as broken: Does not compile on FreeBSD >= 6.x. *** Error code 1 On the developers web page , he indicates that it has been tested under CURRENT and source tarballs are available dated 29 October. What would be the best strategy at this point? Try to compile it outside the port tree? Wait until the latter has been updated? Send a message to the maintainer? Thanks. -- Colin Brace Amsterdam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 17:29:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E47616A46E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB9913C4D9 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so3885958waf for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:29:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=Tn7xDpXvxnJMwb4OLs2yoPYqH7+OUb0S0N+IkYLKQR4=; b=Jth37TA3ydBvVTQaBmlJ9EJxFk8+A+tucZPO0VIuE+ypmIRUIbNdo2oz0bv8vj3jt0zuNi8C1ay+dKWCWlsu0FMp9rj9g5eJ5aCxOePYETy2ebAHB8eeTvtZZbAgWVdOfNWvtKzFXkd1F3hLVkJLD3RbwSkvt3kNxol2hdZlpUY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=ckdWXHUDk16ebh1RBufSF+euMFfEsQyWo9aE0l5474P9l3yRYu95Ii0S0LiU9kz8POudYgrm5xzzA/qCqXPvGNX4xzQ80MIQQirP10CwDDhuyQl/oBvzP5ED/CQuLjNXCehBhIj2c/thFQhv8McbFopkwEKkk3gBfn4AKJ/y7CQ= Received: by 10.142.84.3 with SMTP id h3mr76822wfb.1196530155743; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.194.10 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:29:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <539c60b90712010929m7fef7020v806eb3c1eb24d066@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:29:15 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "User Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: d40639a50933890c Subject: using dd to duplicate disks/partitions of slightly different sizes - works? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevefranks@ieee.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:29:16 -0000 I've got two 160GB disks. Different manufacturers, so different # bytes. One is FreeBSD, the other blank. I'd like to backup my system for the fastest possible recovery after a crash - move the plug and power up. I have gmirrored before, but I just wanted to do a quick dd, since I don't want to abuse my cheapo powersupply (has 4 disks already on it). Two questions: (1) If I dd from the smaller to the larger, will it work? What happens to the extra, say 5MB of unused space - will my partition info be messed up? (2) If I dd from the larger to the smaller (df reports only 50% used anyway) is there a way to make sure there is no info in the 5MB at the end that will overflow the smaller, and again, will my partitions be ok? The other option is just to fdisk & label the other disk, then rsync everything to it. Is that the wiser choice? Thanks, Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 18:08:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E9E16A4CA for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ross.penner@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0933C13C50D for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:08:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ross.penner@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so3910710waf for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:08:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=/w1Im0/P2VZ5WRmmCXIN7lHKToFKxW+hKL5sgygcxkg=; b=UZ6Tub2svJGzkPBH5x3/ulQKpAB2moijxGXWEy9ez/xqG2Ye6Ruhnbt+hNeOaNvPop4COp3lMxzb4iGA2Ee5Vo8UOb30w4oGIo8vsRGeOIIkTz1Ik2Zes2oDbx1od5ZBU2OlfvQKT6oBQtenFQxFkaGm+B+wPCgnbyquXnddmbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=wlZ2yGplMASpVdWIblWyjEaX5DIY5xuRTEvrwERUKdfZE03seTCM+rlEp7or5omTV0+6siuY7DMVejqYZA2Yw68hv6abtvSNKULmK7bM/AZuq0pVw/XrjwobrLta8yXUxyBReSEOzhlO+Koc/x/BcbWQkasS+ptbInnR3ppBtMo= Received: by 10.142.105.14 with SMTP id d14mr2904346wfc.1196530975647; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.218.3 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:42:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:42:55 -0700 From: "Ross Penner" To: "User questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Diagnosing an unstable machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:08:24 -0000 I'm currently using FreeBSD 6.2 to run as a fileserver and gateway for my home. It's been incredibly unstable and I'm trying to figure out why. What can I do to try and figure out what is causing these crashes? Apparently the machine just rebooted 20min ago looking at the uptime. They're seemingly random to me as there is definitely no usage pattern that is obviously bringing these crashes about. Any help I could get would be greatly appreciated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 18:17:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FC716A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ruggeri@uchicago.edu) Received: from relay01.uchicago.edu (relay01.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.136]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4657713C45D for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:17:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ruggeri@uchicago.edu) Received: from m4500-02.uchicago.edu (m4500-02.uchicago.edu [128.135.249.217]) by relay01.uchicago.edu (8.13.6.20060614/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB1HrqYg006037 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:53:52 -0600 (CST) Received: (from m4500-02.uchicago.edu [128.135.249.212]) by m4500-02.uchicago.edu (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id AWV35326 (AUTH ruggeri@uchicago.edu); Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:53:52 -0600 (CST) From: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.8.5-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20071201115352.AWV35326@m4500-02.uchicago.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:53:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: System Reboots with Bittorrent Use X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:17:17 -0000 Hi! I have had this problem before, so let me narrate the history (quickly). I used to use the rtorrent port. However, when running rtorrent (never any other time) the system would spontaneously reboot. I couldn't figure out what exactly the problem was, but when I switched to deluge (another bittorrent port) the problem seemed to go away. I have since reformatted my computer. I began using deluge again a couple weeks ago, but am again experiencing spontaneous reboots, now when using deluge (I don't have rtorrent installed). I don't get any message in /var/logs/messages (is there a way to make the computer log more? Are there other logs I should check?). In general the file system needs to be cleaned after the reboot. Could this be a driver problem, by any chance? I use Deluge version 0.5.6.2, freeBSD version 6.3 Prerelease. If any more information would help, I'd be happy to provide it. Thanks if you can offer any help at all! I'm still fairly new to *BSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 18:19:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124D016A41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD38113C43E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB1IJR9o000275; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:19:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20071201121541.0245ddf8@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:19:16 -0600 To: "Ross Penner" , "User questions" From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Diagnosing an unstable machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:19:37 -0000 At 11:42 AM 12/1/2007, Ross Penner wrote: >I'm currently using FreeBSD 6.2 to run as a fileserver and gateway for my >home. It's been incredibly unstable and I'm trying to figure out why. What >can I do to try and figure out what is causing these crashes? Apparently the >machine just rebooted 20min ago looking at the uptime. They're seemingly >random to me as there is definitely no usage pattern that is obviously >bringing these crashes about. Any help I could get would be greatly >appreciated. The first thing I would do is make sure you are running 6.2 release with the generic kernel. Look at the last log entries prior to a crash for all the logs in /var/log Run any diagnostics you have for the hardware (motherboard, memory, hard drives, NIC.) Check your dmesg hardware found to the supported hardware list. If you are still getting random crashes, post back with your dmesg output included. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 18:32:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D2C16A418 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673BD13C44B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB1IWotN000512; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:32:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20071201122940.02468ad0@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:32:40 -0600 To: , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <20071201115352.AWV35326@m4500-02.uchicago.edu> References: <20071201115352.AWV35326@m4500-02.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: System Reboots with Bittorrent Use X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:32:59 -0000 At 11:53 AM 12/1/2007, ruggeri@uchicago.edu wrote: >Hi! I have had this problem before, so let me narrate the >history (quickly). > >I used to use the rtorrent port. However, when running >rtorrent (never any other time) the system would spontaneously >reboot. I couldn't figure out what exactly the problem was, >but when I switched to deluge (another bittorrent port) the >problem seemed to go away. > >I have since reformatted my computer. I began using deluge >again a couple weeks ago, but am again experiencing >spontaneous reboots, now when using deluge (I don't have >rtorrent installed). I don't get any message in >/var/logs/messages (is there a way to make the computer log >more? Are there other logs I should check?). In general the >file system needs to be cleaned after the reboot. > >Could this be a driver problem, by any chance? I use Deluge >version 0.5.6.2, freeBSD version 6.3 Prerelease. > >If any more information would help, I'd be happy to provide >it. Thanks if you can offer any help at all! I'm still >fairly new to *BSD. It could be anything that relates to bad hardware. But since you believe it is related to the network, and bittorrent use, I would first suspect the NIC. If possible I would swap NIC's and see it the problem still is there. In swapping NIC's I would avail using any with realtek chips and opt for a better supported NIC chip like one of the intel NICs. Otherwise you can run any diagnostic software you have for your hardware, and if you post back include the full dmesg output. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 19:06:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53DF16A476 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from chen.org.nz (chen.org.nz [202.89.146.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B2F13C43E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by chen.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 375017E862; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:48:20 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:48:20 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: ruggeri@uchicago.edu Message-ID: <20071201184820.GC37478@osiris.chen.org.nz> References: <20071201115352.AWV35326@m4500-02.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071201115352.AWV35326@m4500-02.uchicago.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System Reboots with Bittorrent Use X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:06:00 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 11:53:52AM -0600, ruggeri@uchicago.edu wrote: > Hi! I have had this problem before, so let me narrate the > history (quickly). > > I used to use the rtorrent port. However, when running > rtorrent (never any other time) the system would spontaneously > reboot. I couldn't figure out what exactly the problem was, > but when I switched to deluge (another bittorrent port) the > problem seemed to go away. > > I have since reformatted my computer. I began using deluge > again a couple weeks ago, but am again experiencing > spontaneous reboots, now when using deluge (I don't have > rtorrent installed). I don't get any message in > /var/logs/messages (is there a way to make the computer log > more? Are there other logs I should check?). In general the > file system needs to be cleaned after the reboot. There's a bug in the kernel with 6-STABLE with Bittorrent clients that use multiple threads. This includes the latest deluge and azureus ports. I've filed a PR for this: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=117717 but it's been getting no love from the developers. You could try poking freebsd-stable@ for help. Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 19:09:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BE316A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:09:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rloefgren@forethought.net) Received: from mzpi4.forethought.net (mzpi4.forethought.net [216.241.36.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F44E13C4CE for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rloefgren@forethought.net) Received: from 206-124-7-66.denver.dsl.forethought.net ([206.124.7.66] helo=auden.jmla.com) by mz2.forethought.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.51) id 1IyGQw-0004hO-QU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:42:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:42:13 -0700 (MST) From: rloefgren@forethought.net X-X-Sender: rloef@auden.jmla.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130173222.O1517@auden.jmla.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: gmirror array not unmounting at shutdown X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:09:00 -0000 I have a mirror with two 500GB SATA drives for storage. The system is on a gmirror of two 18GB SCSIs. the SATA mirror mounts under /u2 and is in fstab. If I reboot, when the machine comes back up I get a notice that /u2 was not unmounted properly. I go into single user, unmount /u2 and do a fsck on /dev/mirror/datas1d. It usually finds some issues and corrects them. Sooner or later it's going to fail at the repair. I thought that by having the array in fstab that the system would take it down properly upon a reboot, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Where can I put a "sync ; umount /u2" where it will take place late enough that /u2 actually will unmount? I've looked at rc.shutdown but can't find a place where such a line actually seems to be executed. thx, r From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 20:20:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBB716A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6062813C45D for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:20:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB1KKDuU006779; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:20:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id FL0v5-4Bmnqu; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:20:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB1KK5rB006764; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:20:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4751C1EF.4010206@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:19:59 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070418 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stevefranks@ieee.org References: <539c60b90712010929m7fef7020v806eb3c1eb24d066@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <539c60b90712010929m7fef7020v806eb3c1eb24d066@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: using dd to duplicate disks/partitions of slightly different sizes - works? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:20:15 -0000 Steve Franks wrote: > I've got two 160GB disks. Different manufacturers, so different # > bytes. One is FreeBSD, the other blank. I'd like to backup my system > for the fastest possible recovery after a crash - move the plug and > power up. I have gmirrored before, but I just wanted to do a quick > dd, since I don't want to abuse my cheapo powersupply (has 4 disks > already on it). > > Two questions: > > (1) If I dd from the smaller to the larger, will it work? What > happens to the extra, say 5MB of unused space - will my partition info > be messed up? > > (2) If I dd from the larger to the smaller (df reports only 50% used > anyway) is there a way to make sure there is no info in the 5MB at the > end that will overflow the smaller, and again, will my partitions be > ok? > > The other option is just to fdisk & label the other disk, then rsync > everything to it. Is that the wiser choice? > > Thanks, > Steve Giorgos Keramidas made a great post dealing with this a while back. Here 'tis, quoted for your enjoyment and potential enlightenment (also quoted is Martin McCormack): ----------------------------------------------- >> It turns out that dd defaults to 512-byte blocks so I didn't >> really need the bs=512, but I am not sure I haven't made some other >> type of mistake. The dd command has been running for about 4 hours on >> a very fast system, with a 1-gig processor, 1 gig of RAM and two 31-GB >> drives. One would think it should have finished by now, but it is >> still running. Is this a valid method of copying the entire contents >> of one drive to another? Thank you. Bah! That's too slow for my taste. I would usually go for a newfs, dump, and restore option. For instance, to create a copy of /usr on a second disk: newfs -U /dev/ad1s1a mount /dev/ad1s1a /mnt dump -0 -a -L /usr | ( cd /mnt ; restore ruvf - ) Copying with dd(1) is not as fast :) ------------------------------------------ HTH, Kevin Kinsey -- There is no royal road to geometry. -- Euclid