From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 01:26:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3132816A418; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from kozubik.com (kozubik.com [69.43.165.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A5B13C442; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from kozubik.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kozubik.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m011DU5a027270; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by kozubik.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id m011DUIM027266; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:13:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozubik To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071231170730.W58557@kozubik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Bounty announced for Flash9 in Opera in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:26:33 -0000 "... I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe for running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is already a linux-flashplugin9 port. The trouble is, even if you do convince your browser to use the plugin, it crashes frequently and generally "doesn't work". I think a good proof of success would be the ability to play arbitrary content on YouTube without complication, or perhaps use all of google maps / google finance without crashing." http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 01:50:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF59D16A49C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from supernews.unixathome.org (supernews.unixathome.org [216.168.29.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9628C13C5C1 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864281703C; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:50:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from supernews.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (supernews.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4D5gBvdRe-5w; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from laptop.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [72.78.223.90]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EFB1703B; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <47799C66.8060009@langille.org> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:50:30 -0500 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071215) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kozubik References: <20071231170730.W58557@kozubik.com> In-Reply-To: <20071231170730.W58557@kozubik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bounty announced for Flash9 in Opera in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:50:34 -0000 John Kozubik wrote: > > "... I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe > for running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 > on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is already a > linux-flashplugin9 port. The trouble is, even if you do convince your > browser to use the plugin, it crashes frequently and generally "doesn't > work". I think a good proof of success would be the ability to play > arbitrary content on YouTube without complication, or perhaps use all of > google maps / google finance without crashing." > > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html My contribution to the bounty is free admission to BSDCan and tutorials. From 2007, this was worth roughly CAD$400. -- Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference: http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 08:16:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A638016A417; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: from mail.rubicom.hu (mail.rubicom.hu [89.147.80.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D4913C468; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.rubicom.hu) by mail.rubicom.hu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J9bY4-0005Kv-1w; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:28:28 +0100 Received: from ip5993549e.rubicom.hu ([89.147.84.158] helo=baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx) by mail.rubicom.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J9bY3-0005Km-He; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:28:27 +0100 Received: from baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m017SReV001505; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:28:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: (from sziszi@localhost) by baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m017SRDO001504; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:28:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) X-Authentication-Warning: baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx: sziszi set sender to sziszi@bsd.hu using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:28:27 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080101072827.GA1277@baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20071231170730.W58557@kozubik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071231170730.W58557@kozubik.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: Subject: Re: Bounty announced for Flash9 in Opera in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:16:10 -0000 On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 05:13:30PM -0800, John Kozubik wrote: > > > "... I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe > for running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 > on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is already a > linux-flashplugin9 port. Well, perhaps it should be noted that even though a port exists for Flash 9, it does not really work even with the linux-firefox port, the browser locks up from time to time with it even on sites that work OK with Flash 7 + native or linux-firefox. So there may be some more work to do than just the Opera part. -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Budapest Hungary From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 09:46:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BB516A420 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim1timau@yahoo.com) Received: from web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 490AF13C4E8 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim1timau@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63792 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2008 09:19:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=OhClLd3mSDd+iIRZd/k1F5s+d9kz1NajK6n9DeqqI7JhFar9CTkh/NWYLmmbAbLTc5MzPnxzNvRIxepB742Ly4+Pfr8LcFMqFwZDKMN1dhcHPJud1q3STKjFQVZx5e5EvbknDfahX+WM2B6F+TCVFlNzJGenByqOq0VYOARBVY8=; X-YMail-OSG: W6Zkz3YVM1meKDNg.iJr06umwKUWs7of9kCXg1NP5O5N6UOCBpuQcqcLuIFRvQbF4.o1GOilAAtJve2_zu_Aq8PpO.dvqxaaI5KFSSEav8C9e.37n1o- Received: from [203.49.197.51] by web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:19:31 PST Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:19:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Clewlow To: Szilveszter Adam , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20080101072827.GA1277@baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <113036.60157.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Bounty announced for Flash9 in Opera in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 09:46:13 -0000 --- Szilveszter Adam wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 05:13:30PM -0800, John Kozubik wrote: > > > > > > "... I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe > > for running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 > > on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is already a > > linux-flashplugin9 port. > > Well, perhaps it should be noted that even though a port exists for > Flash 9, it does not really work even with the linux-firefox port, the > browser locks up from time to time with it even on sites that work > OK with Flash 7 + native or linux-firefox. So there may be some more > work to do than just the Opera part. > > -- > Regards: > > Szilveszter ADAM > Budapest > Hungary Just one more idea - how about we do it ourselves. I'm guessing there are a number of people who want to have native flash 9 working in the netscape family of browsers, in particular firefox. Maybe the maintainer(s) who put together flash 7 can let us know what needs to be done, and we could help each other with creating the code together. It could be an opportunity for new people to learn how to code for FreeBSD, I suspect there are many out there who want to contribute, but are not that sure how (the ports system alone can be intimidating at first glance). So how about we get together and show each other how. Just a thought, Tim. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 13:42:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5C916A41A for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:42:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D0713C4E3 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:42:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5730096rvb.43 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:42:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=otN7/6AsLU9PI6WS7oqVTHo31nj7AOIZCanPl/1P+BI=; b=ozGZGuZpoJJdHPN9e9o8IJQSYJ9ae00VzUVg1uzajj9A9iah6yTvPDosg/9JCV8bnKLdPVatHAyFN4kTX8NlMnHolgg37fPoKaFOIpOt//h6CuSbKUoDpVLU768MNZh2a00oWlHo1rnXj6vWV/IA50av+Xkqqj6rkXBYHBZr9wo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=EhOEQBIDaVoT4MECoUCQYap2XaRM+hvWohcwg7Kyq+YmSDax8aw5lk2IlZzp3O79PjHftL5MwqgeQ0anQ0sSA7Ts5ABG8cWa4cJTzaUlaSZ63X52SCKR88oNNt8/cclxNf81Uz3CR1OaWRykV1SzmvBiz7Co+c0Dj8XukUv5DJw= Received: by 10.141.76.21 with SMTP id d21mr7304464rvl.114.1199279776205; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.132.4 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:16:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910801020516s9819d2dpc646066c454fb90a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:16:16 -0500 From: "matt donovan" Sender: kitchetech@gmail.com To: "Tim Clewlow" In-Reply-To: <113036.60157.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080101072827.GA1277@baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx> <113036.60157.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1f93b157b1a67c76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bounty announced for Flash9 in Opera in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:42:52 -0000 On Jan 1, 2008 4:19 AM, Tim Clewlow wrote: > > --- Szilveszter Adam wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 05:13:30PM -0800, John Kozubik wrote: > > > > > > > > > "... I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable > recipe > > > for running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of > Opera 9 > > > on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is > already a > > > linux-flashplugin9 port. > > > > Well, perhaps it should be noted that even though a port exists for > > Flash 9, it does not really work even with the linux-firefox port, the > > browser locks up from time to time with it even on sites that work > > OK with Flash 7 + native or linux-firefox. So there may be some more > > work to do than just the Opera part. > > > > -- > > Regards: > > > > Szilveszter ADAM > > Budapest > > Hungary > > Just one more idea - how about we do it ourselves. I'm guessing there are > a > number of people who want to have native flash 9 working in the netscape > family > of browsers, in particular firefox. Maybe the maintainer(s) who put > together > flash 7 can let us know what needs to be done, and we could help each > other > with creating the code together. It could be an opportunity for new people > to > learn how to code for FreeBSD, I suspect there are many out there who want > to > contribute, but are not that sure how (the ports system alone can be > intimidating at first glance). So how about we get together and show each > other > how. > > Just a thought, Tim. > > > Well I can ell you the issue is that nspluginwrapper is broken with > flash9, it's due to libgobject that makes it crash and the flash9 in ports > by default is broken right now due to adobe changing the .tar.gz for flash9 > I did update the port on my end. But have not diff my port so I could send a > pr for it. > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 17:12:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1530C16A418; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [194.126.106.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30C313C448; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E05B812; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:48:31 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qJYcrCz64tWp; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:48:30 +0200 (EET) Received: from raad.tartu.ee (lv.raad.tartu.ee [194.126.106.110]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8691B822; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:48:30 +0200 (EET) Received: from INFO/SpoolDir by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48); 2 Jan 08 18:48:30 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by INFO (Mercury 1.48); 2 Jan 08 18:48:29 +0200 Received: from [172.26.1.6] (172.26.1.6) by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 2 Jan 08 18:48:23 +0200 Message-ID: <477BC05A.3020104@raad.tartu.ee> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:48:26 +0200 From: Toomas Aas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scrappy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: bsdstats low numbers this month X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:12:06 -0000 The numbers for this month at www.bsdstats.org seem strangely low. There are currently only 1645 systems listed. There was only one FreeBSD system listed from Estonia, while I personally have more than one system (in Estonia) which did report in on January 1st using the monthly periodic script. Just now I re-ran the periodic script manually on one system and the number of FreeBSD systems in Estonia instantly doubled :) Maybe there is some change-of-year bug in the bsdstats website code? -- Toomas Aas From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 5 01:30:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36D516A47D for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 01:30:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy.elvey@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp3.clear.net.nz (smtp3.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB85313C465 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 01:30:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy.elvey@paradise.net.nz) Received: from [203.97.97.11] (203-97-97-11.cable.telstraclear.net [203.97.97.11]) by smtp3.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JU500J2ACU6O140@smtp3.clear.net.nz> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:15:43 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:16:39 +1300 From: Andy Elvey To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-id: <477EDA77.4030204@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071008) Subject: Just installed 6.2 - it's outstanding! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:30:45 -0000 Hi all - I'm a first-timer here (have been using Linux for about five years or so). I've just installed FreeBSD 6.2 on my second PC and it is excellent! I can say now that when 7.0 comes out, that will be going on my main PC ( *really* looking forward to 7.0 coming out ... :-) ) I think that when 7.0 comes along, you'll see quite an increase in the number of people like myself who will try it and be utterly sold on it. Excellent engineering, beautifully done! One of the things that was the "tipping point" for me to use Free was that I saw a performance comparison graph of Free v7 versus Linux. Free semed to be way ahead, and that (coupled with the excellent design) made it easy to decide to go with Free.... ;-) "Mmmmmmmm....... 7.0......... Bye for now - - Andy From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 5 14:44:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CE616A46C; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vadim_nuclight@mail.ru) Received: from mx6.mail.ru (mx6.mail.ru [194.67.23.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBEE13C4D9; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vadim_nuclight@mail.ru) Received: from [78.140.2.250] (port=11767 helo=nuclight.avtf.net) by mx6.mail.ru with esmtp id 1JBAFx-000Fiv-00; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:44:13 +0300 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:44:10 +0600 To: "Peter Jeremy" References: <20080104192820.GM947@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080105011027.GA21334@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> From: "Vadim Goncharov" Organization: AVTF TPU Hostel Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=koi8-r MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080105011027.GA21334@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "advocacy@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: sbrk(2), OOM-killer and malloc() overcommit X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:44:15 -0000 05.01.08 @ 07:10 Peter Jeremy wrote: >> So why we are losing users due to this "feature", > > Other than your previous post, I don't recall seeing this claim before. > Can you provide references to people stating that they are abandoning > FreeBSD because it doesn't support swap reservation? I've had a quick > look at can't find anything. Definitely, no-one considers it enough of > a problem to have raised a PR. Those people usually do not read or write any maillists, PRs, etc. - they simply take another OS, which they heard of support from commercial vendors, and which CAN do what they want, in this case - enable space reservation for at least some processes. I don't remember all of that people, but at least one lives in my town, and it is him program (with his name/address in comments) which I gave as illustration of problem in my first letter of this thread. And this man now says everyone that FreeBSD is good for education/small systems, but unsuitable for serious data-mining tasks... >> Can I find somewhere summary of that discussions in archives? > > Since you're making the claim, how about _you_ produce the evidence. I don't have too many time to search through all bikeshedding on a non-native language. But sometime ago this topic was discussed in russian NNTP BSD group, which shown in actuality of problem for some people - as a result, I was told that Kostik Belousov made a patch partially solving problem. So - why do not have tunable, which can pleasure both camps? Every time when people want XXX and others want the opposite - make it an option to not loose any of them... > In general, swap over-commit is a good idea because it enables you to > get by with far less resources than would otherwise be necessary - I've > disabled swap reservation on some systems at work to allieviate problems > that it was causing and I haven't seen any subsequent issues due to > overcommit being in use. There were case in our town when on heavy loaded web-server apache processes were dying on memory pressure - aforementioned man said that was due to overcommit and OOM killer working. I don't know about details, but surely it could lead to switching to Linux from FreeBSD... So I think, if that users are mistaking, we need an article explaininfg why memory overcommit is good and where are they wrong - we need people think good about FreeBSD, yeah? Possibly with tunable and description of it's bad effects, of course. -- WBR, Vadim Goncharov