From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 24 15:17:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFAB1065676 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from kozubik.com (kozubik.com [69.43.165.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C855E8FC29 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from kozubik.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kozubik.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m5OFf1Xr040260; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by kozubik.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id m5OFf0vo040257; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:41:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozubik To: shildreth@allantgroup.com In-Reply-To: <1213972236.1505.14.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> Message-ID: <20080624083829.T1807@kozubik.com> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> <1213972236.1505.14.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:02:10 +0000 Cc: jamie@bishopston.net, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, narayan@neelum.com, Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:17:45 -0000 On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > Quoting John Kozubik (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 > > 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): > > > > > First, a bounty has been posted here: > > > > > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > > > > > > Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, > > This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke > > "As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of > someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to > sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. > This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to > do this work." Perfect. This is exactly what the bounty: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html is for. I suggest that if you think this is important (as I do) to post a commitment to the bounty, and presumably someone will step forward to speak with Kris, sign an NDA, and get the FreeBSD desktop back to a reasonable level of utility. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 24 16:19:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B034E1065677; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shildreth@allantgroup.com) Received: from scotth.emsphone.com (scotth.emsphone.com [199.67.51.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7850A8FC17; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shildreth@allantgroup.com) Received: from scotth.emsphone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scotth.emsphone.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5OFtR7A029949; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:55:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from shildreth@allantgroup.com) Received: (from shildret@localhost) by scotth.emsphone.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m5OFtRng029948; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:55:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from shildreth@allantgroup.com) X-Authentication-Warning: scotth.emsphone.com: shildret set sender to shildreth@allantgroup.com using -f From: "Scott T. Hildreth" To: John Kozubik In-Reply-To: <20080624083829.T1807@kozubik.com> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> <1213972236.1505.14.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> <20080624083829.T1807@kozubik.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:55:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1214322926.1505.65.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:27:00 +0000 Cc: jamie@bishopston.net, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, narayan@neelum.com, Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: shildreth@allantgroup.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:19:10 -0000 On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 08:41 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > > Quoting John Kozubik (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 > > > 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): > > > > > > > First, a bounty has been posted here: > > > > > > > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, > > > > This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke > > > > "As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of > > someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to > > sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. > > This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to > > do this work." > > > Perfect. This is exactly what the bounty: > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > is for. I suggest that if you think this is important (as I do) to post a > commitment to the bounty, and presumably someone will step forward to > speak with Kris, sign an NDA, and get the FreeBSD desktop back to a > reasonable level of utility. I wonder how much of a task it would be? Does anyone have any idea what language the clients are written in? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 24 17:28:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92E7106564A for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:28:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlsonmark@gmail.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832418FC1B for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:28:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlsonmark@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d27so1405758tid.3 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:28:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tUg6gFYRJ5fJFagfXGFsX177ogQPjwhxNXmyy5GlmYw=; b=jNGKr3u9qx/pNSY/kMP/DSaYtYRyMDb8H0o9Dd/G5kcxJ5Lrxl+SIu8RCSaRQg0CQh +m3ZUIVbeE+rKAuugAheGg+S5zBvm3gULNHrtVQlWJCS0zy7xVzxcVcjn9fQyARoiYSk /Up1uWjbVyMZEU5wH5PHRGrwqCQpwFqu0jgUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wDTq7xEiWKWQY79waQavg7m5lO4lsTrAvRqd1+KewNEDBvFH303epxqtjOOsFBIc7N IUaqJRrt88ccuwsJ69L0orgOHuC5zw6Chf6db7cJ3HNpEmEKhJvqSoZjCLQ/IkXBTLcK fGfW48IlxLMwkyaEswCCg/tZRfAmPehUX6PpU= Received: by 10.143.4.11 with SMTP id g11mr5897121wfi.52.1214326988598; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.106.17 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:03:08 -0600 From: "Mark Carlson" To: "John Kozubik" In-Reply-To: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> Cc: jamie@bishopston.net, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, narayan@neelum.com Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:28:46 -0000 On 6/19/08, John Kozubik wrote: > > > Don't shoot the messenger: > > > FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to > support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. > > > Running IE in Wine is not a solution. > > Running another OS in vmware to simply browse the web is not a solution. > > Free flash alternatives and flash movie players, etc., are, unfortunately, > not a solution. > > ports/linux-flashplayer9 _is_ a solution, however it (currently) fails > badly. > > > Solution: > > > First, a bounty has been posted here: > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > We aren't even asking for new code, per se - anyone merely posting a > recipe that allows linux-flashplayer9 to run, without crashing and with > reasonable performance, with a generic browser (opera, firefox, konqueror) > can claim the bounty. In fact, a recipe that is entirely inside the Linux > Binary Compatibility layer would be just fine - running the linux version > of a browser through binary compat is reasonable[1]. > > Second, I am calling on the FreeBSD Foundation to commit time and money to > ensuring that flash functionality is recognized as a high priority for > FreeBSD desktop use. I am willing to donate funds for this purpose. > Flash 9 will not be the baseline forever, and it is inefficient to ramp up > a grass roots bounty effort each time Adobe releases a new product. For > this reason I believe it is reasonable for the project itself to ensure > that Flash support is delivered and maintained in a timely fashion. > > > > [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary > Compat anyway... I've found wine + firefox + flash to work for everything I've tried so far (youtube, various websites with flash ads, one or two flash-only sites.) It did crash on me once, but I'm not sure it was related to flash. Wine is pretty good, but not perfect. If all you need is to visit flash sites, it's a decent workaround in the mean time. Also, I was very surprised how easy it was to set up (not having used wine before.) -Mark C. P.S. That's some ugly cross-posting you've started there... From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 24 18:05:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CDD1065674 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F420A8FC25 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1464875fgb.35 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:05:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kXkCyQJREQnGXgFQZrDo8+CfAJo7lfzr8dZV4KJO7d8=; b=JrGOVwpjOVkRRIlRl8yimPfyq/Fu+J251VTZpomreQ17BjvTn5SIIO+eli40m5MFrR fBmHx0FGZV2QDkdZpPgBRbrvl/mkV5lXP7Z/aHSNQ5V3E5ZAls6eLxLJxF7L7BD8SVMq JU3UY2r2foOShQMFsYFepTiKLAhM6zX+p1/I4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=e4pGI8FrZAsnZDbqr7RAwzyetvCURuK+EXO973Edu0K3nvDR9k5MBU7n8FzDprsXUe P/OXKFiyPEjjz7kqcR0mp0srf4zlFVRWQWKNjIbB3xcz1/9SPb8H0zDuO55h3jcgc7TH t79LThfKm7Tc6z0XONUoRRFYYgLF38+PWdwjc= Received: by 10.86.73.7 with SMTP id v7mr9220090fga.37.1214329227644; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.51.1 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0806241040x6ed9dea6y79d2c2d62ff1b30f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:40:27 -0700 From: "Garrett Cooper" To: shildreth@allantgroup.com In-Reply-To: <1214322926.1505.65.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> <1213972236.1505.14.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> <20080624083829.T1807@kozubik.com> <1214322926.1505.65.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:32:21 +0000 Cc: jamie@bishopston.net, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Alexander Leidinger , John Kozubik , narayan@neelum.com Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:05:06 -0000 On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 08:41 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: >> >> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: >> > > Quoting John Kozubik (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 >> > > 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): >> > > >> > > > First, a bounty has been posted here: >> > > > >> > > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, >> > >> > This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke >> > >> > "As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of >> > someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to >> > sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. >> > This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to >> > do this work." >> >> >> Perfect. This is exactly what the bounty: >> >> http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html >> >> is for. I suggest that if you think this is important (as I do) to post a >> commitment to the bounty, and presumably someone will step forward to >> speak with Kris, sign an NDA, and get the FreeBSD desktop back to a >> reasonable level of utility. > > I wonder how much of a task it would be? Does anyone have any idea what > language the clients are written in? Look into Spidermonkey for more details: http://www.mozilla.org/js/spidermonkey/ It was designed to be the bridge between ActiveScript and Mozilla, allowing the Adobe folks to code Flash in terms of ActiveScript, instead of completely in C, thus making things more portable. I offered to work with the Mozilla group to get ActiveScript ported over to FreeBSD but I haven't received a reply in a year of having posted my "bug report". (not designed to be troll-bait, just my personal opinion on the matter -- don't comment on it please) FWIW, Personally I don't think that Flash support is as critical as getting working x64 compatible OpenGL enabled video drivers, but then again my opinion differs from your's most likely. -Garrett From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 27 12:19:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E871065674 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:19:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from postfix1-g20.free.fr (postfix1-g20.free.fr [212.27.60.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713B98FC12 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:19:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr (smtp5-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.35]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01CC27BA911 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:58:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A8C3F61A7; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:58:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (tataz.chchile.org [82.233.239.98]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B746E3F6291; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:58:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from obiwan.tataz.chchile.org (unknown [192.168.1.25]) by tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1229B497; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obiwan.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DCE654089; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:54:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:54:03 +0200 From: Jeremie Le Hen To: Mark Carlson Message-ID: <20080627115403.GK15815@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:27:28 +0000 Cc: jamie@bishopston.net, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, gb.public@free.fr, John Kozubik , narayan@neelum.com Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:19:22 -0000 Hi, On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:03:08AM -0600, Mark Carlson wrote: > I've found wine + firefox + flash to work for everything I've tried so > far (youtube, various websites with flash ads, one or two flash-only > sites.) It did crash on me once, but I'm not sure it was related to > flash. Wine is pretty good, but not perfect. If all you need is to > visit flash sites, it's a decent workaround in the mean time. Also, I > was very surprised how easy it was to set up (not having used wine > before.) The sake of completeness, I think it's worth mentionning that when using nspluginwrapper, it is theorically possible to run the Flash plugin (and other ones too) inside QEMU. I've read this on nspluginwrapper author's website [1]: this trick is used to execute binary plugins for i386 on other platforms but this could obviously work for our problem. Unfortunately, I've never seen any documentation or instruction to set up this. I've Cc'ed the author, in case he has some time to provide additional details. [1] http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper/help#usage Regards, -- Jeremie Le Hen < jeremie at le-hen dot org >< ttz at chchile dot org > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 27 13:38:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E022F10656A9; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gb.public@free.fr) Received: from wmproxy2-g27.free.fr (wmproxy2-g27.free.fr [212.27.42.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA778FC1B; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gb.public@free.fr) Received: from spooler5-g27.priv.proxad.net (spooler5-g27.priv.proxad.net [172.20.243.237]) by wmproxy2-g27.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD5573AA; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:21:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:21:42 +0200 (CEST) From: gb.public@free.fr To: Jeremie Le Hen Message-ID: <12511256.2869421214572902697.JavaMail.root@spooler5-g27.priv.proxad.net> In-Reply-To: <29921993.2869251214572837043.JavaMail.root@spooler5-g27.priv.proxad.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [80.13.159.160] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.5_GA_2166.UBUNTU6 (ZimbraWebClient - [unknown] (Linux)/5.0.5_GA_2166.UBUNTU6) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:51:15 +0000 Cc: jamie@bishopston.net, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mark Carlson , John Kozubik , narayan@neelum.com Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:38:39 -0000 Hi, > The sake of completeness, I think it's worth mentionning that when > using > nspluginwrapper, it is theorically possible to run the Flash plugin > (and > other ones too) inside QEMU. This is possible but slow and I used a very old version of QEMU. IIRC, the OpenSUSE wiki mentions how to do that with a more recent version of QEMU. However, if you run on i386, you don't need QEMU, simply use nspluginwrapper as is. I use FreeBSD 6.1 and tested FlashPlayer 9 lately, it works. Though not in a browser yet but with a standalone plugins viewer I wrote for testing and another project. I don't mean it won't work in a browser, I only mean I haven't got time to fully test with Firefox on *BSD yet. You can get trunk, which represents the upcoming nspluginwrapper 1.2.0, through: $ svn co http://svn.beauchesne.info/svn/gwenole/projects/nspluginwrapper/trunk nspluginwrapper nspluginwrapper 1.0.0 (targetted to be released this weekend) is available in a separate branch: $ svn co http://svn.beauchesne.info/svn/gwenole/projects/nspluginwrapper/branches/nspluginwrapper-1.0-branch I have not written docs for the standalone player yet (npplayer) but its usage is rather simple: npplayer src=uri/to/flash/content.swf npplayer can be useful to you so that to test whether your problems are related to your Linux emulator or the browser, or even nspluginwrapper. BTW, I would appreciate if people could test nspluginwrapper 1.0 on recent FreeBSD versions before I release it since I only have FreeBSD 6.1 and FreeBSD 5.3 at home. Thanks. Regards, Gwenole Beauchesne.