From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 30 19:41:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA394106566C for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-139.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-139.bluehost.com [67.222.39.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ACC758FC0A for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 10690 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2008 19:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2008 19:14:44 -0000 Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KDOpo-0007b7-5B for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:14:44 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:09:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:09:32 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <20080630190932.GB17413@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> <200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net> <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} DomainKey-Status: no signature Cc: Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:41:27 -0000 --NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 02:03:48PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Quoting Julian Stacey, who wrote on Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 01:58:12PM +0200= .. > > > From: John Kozubik > > > I'm not trying to discount thier efforts, but Adobe makes an honest t= o god > > > release version of flash for Linux, and FreeBSD runs linux binaries v= ery > >=20 > > "honest to god" !=3D Binary Crap ! > > No flash on my machines without public source, checkable for security. > > (Unless maybe run in a jail/chroot) >=20 > That is your view, others could very well be more pragmatic. I would rat= her > have the choice to have a *full working* binary-only Flash than what we= =20 > have now. While I completely sympathize with the desire for open source Flash support, and the desire to avoid binary-only Flash players, I also understand that sometimes the need for consistent, reliable Flash support must regrettably eclipse the desire for open source security vetting. Most people don't really *need* Flash support -- but once in a while, someone really *does* need that support to be able to achieve his or her business needs (for instance). >=20 > I appreciate that we would strongly prefer public source access, but I do= ubt > that will ever happen for Flash. I guess you also have not inspected the > full source of (say) OO for security flaws ;-) That's a spurious argument at best. One doesn't have to personally inspect all the source code of something to enjoy the security benefits of the open source development model. Either you're intentionally playing dumb to ridicule someone's desire for greater security benefits in his software choices, or you need to educate yourself: http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6064734.html --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Dennis Miller: "Bill Gates is a monocle and a Persian Cat away from being the villain in a James Bond movie." --NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhpL2wACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX3EACgn7UW2DZ1eA5mKfhxr8wH889R zHMAnjsOlZL+kJViWNCrAbhXqdbvOeI2 =2bJj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NDin8bjvE/0mNLFQ--