From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 3 01:20:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A684D1065672 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason@dixongroup.net) Received: from mx1.dixongroup.net (mx1.dixongroup.net [38.98.104.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCA88FC14 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason@dixongroup.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.dixongroup.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dixongroup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941CF925B2 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.dixongroup.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.dixongroup.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21732-20 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from dixongroup.net (pool-70-17-17-202.balt.east.verizon.net [70.17.17.202]) by mail.dixongroup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB35B925B0 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:58:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:58:15 -0500 From: Jason Dixon To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081103005815.GW21806@dixongroup.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at dixongroup.net Subject: DCBSDCon 2009 Call for Papers X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:20:06 -0000 The DCBSDCon conference has opened up a Call for Papers for the 2009 event. Speakers are welcome to submit any topic of interest, although security themes are preferred. This conference leads up to the very popular ShmooCon hacker convention in Washington, D.C. where BSD developers and users are always in attendance. Main Website: http://www.dcbsdcon.org/ Call For Papers: http://www.dcbsdcon.org/cfp.html Hope to see you there! -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 3 22:53:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16EF106567B for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:53:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB3D8FC12 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:53:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7B111A2CE2; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:34:02 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33733-09; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:34:02 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (blk-224-204-104.eastlink.ca [24.224.204.104]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 766C611A2CE1; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:34:00 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:33:57 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, users@lists.dragonflybsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, Thorsten Glaser , Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez , midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org, miros-discuss@66h.42h.de, general@desktopbsd.net, announce@lists.pcbsd.org, public@lists.pcbsd.org Message-ID: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:03:21 +0000 Cc: Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:53:18 -0000 As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+ hosts reporting in, with a break down as follows: PC-BSD 17 454 hosts FreeBSD 5 526 hosts DesktopBSD 1 919 hosts NetBSD 86 hosts MirBSD 21 hosts OpenBSD 55 hosts DragonFly 26 hosts MidnightBSD 26 hosts GNU/kFreeBSD 2 hosts We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top 10 being: United States 6 082 Russian Federation 1 836 Germany 1 586 Australia 1 341 Ukraine 997 France 930 Japan 898 United Kingdom 791 Canada 767 Brazil 729 Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org Project Objective: "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems." PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled, while the rest have to be enabled manually. For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set things up. If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is required, and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100% optional ... For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the word, we need more ... If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ... -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 3 23:31:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C155106564A; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from witt@cylogistics.com) Received: from outbound.sentinare.net (outbound.sentinare.net [207.158.33.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780718FC0C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from witt@cylogistics.com) Received: from Donlaptop (78.sub-75-211-232.myvzw.com [75.211.232.78]) by mail.sentinare.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0C768682A; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:12:51 +0000 (GMT) From: "Don Witt" To: "'Marc G. Fournier'" , , , , , "'Thorsten Glaser'" , "'Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez'" , , , , , References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:12:46 -0800 Organization: Cylogistics Message-ID: <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ack+CGyiOdxOpPe0Q9G0mOZX/8XUfQAASSBQ Content-Language: en-us X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:46:14 +0000 Cc: Subject: RE: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: witt@cylogistics.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:31:43 -0000 This is very cool. What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD. Are these numbers accurate? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:34 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; users@lists.dragonflybsd.org; netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org; Thorsten Glaser; Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez; midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org; miros-discuss@66h.42h.de; general@desktopbsd.net; announce@lists.pcbsd.org; public@lists.pcbsd.org Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+ hosts reporting in, with a break down as follows: PC-BSD 17 454 hosts FreeBSD 5 526 hosts DesktopBSD 1 919 hosts NetBSD 86 hosts MirBSD 21 hosts OpenBSD 55 hosts DragonFly 26 hosts MidnightBSD 26 hosts GNU/kFreeBSD 2 hosts We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top 10 being: United States 6 082 Russian Federation 1 836 Germany 1 586 Australia 1 341 Ukraine 997 France 930 Japan 898 United Kingdom 791 Canada 767 Brazil 729 Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org Project Objective: "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems." PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled, while the rest have to be enabled manually. For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set things up. If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is required, and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100% optional ... For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the word, we need more ... If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ... -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 _______________________________________________ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 4 00:23:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D5F1065689 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:23:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F9F8FC08 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:23:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2694034rvf.43 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.141.16 with SMTP id o16mr426910rvd.209.1225756868422; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:01:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2a7894eb0811031601h3ed4c41flf0bc90679da62ecd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:01:08 -0800 From: "Murray Stokely" To: witt@cylogistics.com In-Reply-To: <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:29:43 +0000 Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" Subject: Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:23:56 -0000 [BCCed others] On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Don Witt wrote: > This is very cool. What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD. Are these numbers > accurate? These numbers represent the number of people that have installed a program to report usage, and are almost completely uncorrelated with actual usage rates. There needs to be a big warning at the top of these very misleading reports. Also, the massive spam to many different lists is not ideal. Any guess at actual "usage" numbers would be many orders of magnitude larger, and PC-BSD would be a rounding error to other BSDs used in large hosting environments (nothing against the great work being done by PC-BSD, just a fact based on desktop vs server focus). I continue to believe that sending out these numbers which massively undercount all operating systems is very counter-productive, but I've said that before. If you want to get better numbers you could try to survey all web servers on the internet, identify the host operating systems by server responses, tcp/ip timing characteristics, or other heuristics. You could alternatively mine google analytics / webserver log data for large websites if you want client numbers, or countless other data sources that would give you far more data than this self reporting mechanism, and with a much better sample than the very biased mechanism used for these numbers. - Murray From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 4 00:49:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1518E1065670 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from justin@sigsegv.ca) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5B08FC0C for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from justin@sigsegv.ca) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 30so77398ugs.39 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.45.17 with SMTP id s17mr875543ebs.168.1225758488688; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.21.7 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:28:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5da021490811031628h5b481d47p5e55866884252b32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:28:08 -0700 From: "Justin Givens" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:49:32 -0000 Those are only boxes that "report in" -- as it says, PC-BSD is the only one that automatically reports. The rest don't by default. That means that those figures are not really accurate for overall usage, except for PC-BSD. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Don Witt wrote: > This is very cool. What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD. Are these numbers > accurate? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:34 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; > users@lists.dragonflybsd.org; netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org; Thorsten Glaser; > Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez; > midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org; miros-discuss@66h.42h.de; > general@desktopbsd.net; announce@lists.pcbsd.org; public@lists.pcbsd.org > Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In > > > As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+ > hosts > reporting in, with a break down as follows: > > PC-BSD 17 454 hosts > FreeBSD 5 526 hosts > DesktopBSD 1 919 hosts > NetBSD 86 hosts > MirBSD 21 hosts > OpenBSD 55 hosts > DragonFly 26 hosts > MidnightBSD 26 hosts > GNU/kFreeBSD 2 hosts > > We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top > 10 > being: > > United States 6 082 > Russian Federation 1 836 > Germany 1 586 > Australia 1 341 > Ukraine 997 > France 930 > Japan 898 > United Kingdom 791 > Canada 767 > Brazil 729 > > Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org > > Project Objective: > > "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy > and > marketing of the *BSD operating systems." > > > PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to > enabled, > while the rest have to be enabled manually. > > For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to > set > things up. > > If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the > report > script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, > is > > being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is > required, > > and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are > 100% > optional ... > > For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread > the > word, we need more ... > > > If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ... > > -- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org > ) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 4 02:38:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89001065670 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77FD8FC12 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so3427830rvb.0 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.179.5 with SMTP id g5mr503939rvp.237.1225766294970; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:38:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2a7894eb0811031838vcd20ffbv7238463efd4b85a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:38:14 -0800 From: "Murray Stokely" To: "Tim Clewlow" In-Reply-To: <66f8907fb3b0da766ce4aad67d2783a8.squirrel@192.168.1.100> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> <2a7894eb0811031601h3ed4c41flf0bc90679da62ecd@mail.gmail.com> <66f8907fb3b0da766ce4aad67d2783a8.squirrel@192.168.1.100> Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:38:15 -0000 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Tim Clewlow wrote: > Or count the number of systems that call home, ie count the number > of different IP addresses that talk to the *BSD servers to install > or update themselves. Yes, Colin has aggregate numbers from freebsd-update users. You could also get the xfer logs from ftp hosts that serve packages for users that use pkg_add -r, cvsup, or similar. - Murray From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 4 02:50:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3611106567F for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim@clewlow.org) Received: from clewlow.org (clewlow.org [210.215.149.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B588FC18 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim@clewlow.org) Received: from 192.168.1.100 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clewlow.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCFC1C0851; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:31:35 +1100 (EST) Received: from 192.168.1.13 (SquirrelMail authenticated user tim) by 192.168.1.100 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:31:35 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <66f8907fb3b0da766ce4aad67d2783a8.squirrel@192.168.1.100> In-Reply-To: <2a7894eb0811031601h3ed4c41flf0bc90679da62ecd@mail.gmail.com> References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> <2a7894eb0811031601h3ed4c41flf0bc90679da62ecd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:31:35 +1100 (EST) From: "Tim Clewlow" To: "Murray Stokely" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:50:22 -0000 > [BCCed others] > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Don Witt > wrote: >> This is very cool. What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD. Are these >> numbers >> accurate? > > These numbers represent the number of people that have installed a > program to report usage, and are almost completely uncorrelated with > actual usage rates. > > If you want to get better numbers you could try to survey all web > servers on the internet, identify the host operating systems by > server > responses, tcp/ip timing characteristics, or other heuristics. You > could alternatively mine google analytics / webserver log data for > large websites if you want client numbers, or countless other data > sources that would give you far more data than this self reporting > mechanism, and with a much better sample than the very biased > mechanism used for these numbers. > Or count the number of systems that call home, ie count the number of different IP addresses that talk to the *BSD servers to install or update themselves. Tim. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 4 01:20:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E03A106564A; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:20:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE5B8FC12; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:20:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A2B11A2D04; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:20:57 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73654-07; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:20:54 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (blk-224-204-104.eastlink.ca [24.224.204.104]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DF87F11A2D03; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:20:52 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:20:49 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <05F153A016EF18681BD5E93E@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <490F92DA.3040609@bah.homeip.net> References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> <490F92DA.3040609@bah.homeip.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:44:36 +0000 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, public@lists.pcbsd.org, midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org, general@desktopbsd.net, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, announce@lists.pcbsd.org, Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez , Thorsten Glaser , users@crater.dragonflybsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, miros-discuss@66h.42h.de Subject: Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:20:57 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 01:10:02 +0100 Bernt Hansson wrote: > Marc G. Fournier skrev: >> As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+ >> hosts reporting in, with a break down as follows: > > There are errors on your homepage > > 6,072 is a lot less then 500. Pardon? I don't see either # on the home page .. *puzzled look* - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkPo3EACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvP3CwCeOE++67wohEqs0ahwWyMtFPpo UgAAn2vgaNlYDqSba42ztrSg8CtSyc8/ =s18z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 4 02:38:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15F51065670; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C148FC1C; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E70F11A2D03; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:38:24 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 88040-08; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:38:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (blk-224-204-104.eastlink.ca [24.224.204.104]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9B34B11A2D00; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:38:22 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:38:19 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Al Plant Message-ID: <402926769294954ABF59EF33@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <490FAD05.1050001@hdk5.net> References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> <490FAD05.1050001@hdk5.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:44:43 +0000 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, public@lists.pcbsd.org, midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org, general@desktopbsd.net, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, announce@lists.pcbsd.org, Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez , Thorsten Glaser , users@lists.dragonflybsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, miros-discuss@66h.42h.de Subject: Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:38:24 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Monday, November 03, 2008 16:01:41 -1000 Al Plant wrote: > > Aloha, > > I have 10 FreeBSD servers and desktops in use here in Hawaii. > > These are not on the list as I only have 4 servers that are up 24/7 and they > are fire walled off with pf. > > The 6 others are on a lan behind a Linux Freesco Firewall. Only 2 on 24/7 the > rest are on an as used boot up basis. > > How can I get them Listed? Using FreeBSD as a reference point, the port, when it installs, allows you to enable two methods of reporting: monthly (out of periodic) and on reboot ... so that covers the 4 that aren't up 24/7 ... Next, the reporting is not based on your IP ... in fact, to try and address security concerns, we do not store any information such as IP or hostname ... when you run the stats the first time, it generates a distinct key that is used for reporting and is stored on your host for future reporting to identify you ... Finally, for those dealing with firewalls, the script was written to make use of a PROXY server for reporting, so that no holes have to be opened up for an individual host to connect to the rver ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkPtZsACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvNo4wCeJ3diXiZkazxtM1t9wLTb5tc7 uvgAoIxbMIEG2w3V6uvQBMW+dY7i7nn5 =MUtC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 4 01:12:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F4610656A3; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274BA8FC08; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A73A11A2CF8; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:12:13 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 71335-10; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:12:11 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (blk-224-204-104.eastlink.ca [24.224.204.104]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E1C6811A2CF7; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:12:09 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:12:06 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: witt@cylogistics.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, users@lists.dragonflybsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, 'Thorsten Glaser' , 'Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez' , midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org, miros-discuss@66h.42h.de, general@desktopbsd.net, announce@lists.pcbsd.org, public@lists.pcbsd.org Message-ID: <6C6C117AAA26FCE12662F014@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:27:54 +0000 Cc: Subject: RE: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:12:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Its a voluntary reporting ... I know with both PC-BSD, reporting is on by default .. with FreeBSD, its a simple 'make install' in ports ... with NetBSD/OpenBSD, I suspect its purely manual, so a bit more work involved ... Both NetBSD / OpenBSD #s have been increasing though, just not as fast as the others ... - --On Monday, November 03, 2008 15:12:46 -0800 Don Witt wrote: > This is very cool. What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD. Are these numbers > accurate? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:34 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; > users@lists.dragonflybsd.org; netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org; Thorsten Glaser; > Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez; > midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org; miros-discuss@66h.42h.de; > general@desktopbsd.net; announce@lists.pcbsd.org; public@lists.pcbsd.org > Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In > > > As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+ > hosts > reporting in, with a break down as follows: > > PC-BSD 17 454 hosts > FreeBSD 5 526 hosts > DesktopBSD 1 919 hosts > NetBSD 86 hosts > MirBSD 21 hosts > OpenBSD 55 hosts > DragonFly 26 hosts > MidnightBSD 26 hosts > GNU/kFreeBSD 2 hosts > > We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top > 10 > being: > > United States 6 082 > Russian Federation 1 836 > Germany 1 586 > Australia 1 341 > Ukraine 997 > France 930 > Japan 898 > United Kingdom 791 > Canada 767 > Brazil 729 > > Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org > > Project Objective: > > "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy > and > marketing of the *BSD operating systems." > > > PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to > enabled, > while the rest have to be enabled manually. > > For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to > set > things up. > > If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the > report > script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is > > being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is required, > > and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are > 100% > optional ... > > For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the > word, we need more ... > > > If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ... > > -- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkPoWYACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvNjvACeJvROm9YrnENUroh5EF1BsGKw 0YsAoMIQoRnBnkFwGTcZG2cv/4KlkDmF =blyH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 4 08:43:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2541065673; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:43:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD088FC08; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:43:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [82.95.250.254]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA48W1GO012721; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:32:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA48W061001448; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:32:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mA48VvBe001447; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:31:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:31:57 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Don Witt Message-ID: <20081104083157.GB1381@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:27:54 +0000 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, public@lists.pcbsd.org, midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org, general@desktopbsd.net, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, announce@lists.pcbsd.org, "'Marc G. Fournier'" , 'Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez' , 'Thorsten Glaser' , users@crater.dragonflybsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, miros-discuss@66h.42h.de Subject: Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:43:02 -0000 Quoting Don Witt, who wrote on Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 03:12:46PM -0800 .. > This is very cool. What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD. Are these numbers > accurate? They are not not at all accurate. What is being measured for FreeBSD e.g. is the willingness of people to do For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set things up. That has no relation with the total installed base of FreeBSD. And then there is of course the issue of corporations who do run *BSD but do not allow this kind of information to go out into the world? The other BSD derivatives are suffering from the same statistical problems. So, accurate, no, not at all. Wilko > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:34 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; > users@lists.dragonflybsd.org; netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org; Thorsten Glaser; > Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez; > midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org; miros-discuss@66h.42h.de; > general@desktopbsd.net; announce@lists.pcbsd.org; public@lists.pcbsd.org > Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In > > > As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+ > hosts > reporting in, with a break down as follows: > > PC-BSD 17 454 hosts > FreeBSD 5 526 hosts > DesktopBSD 1 919 hosts > NetBSD 86 hosts > MirBSD 21 hosts > OpenBSD 55 hosts > DragonFly 26 hosts > MidnightBSD 26 hosts > GNU/kFreeBSD 2 hosts > > We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top > 10 > being: > > United States 6 082 > Russian Federation 1 836 > Germany 1 586 > Australia 1 341 > Ukraine 997 > France 930 > Japan 898 > United Kingdom 791 > Canada 767 > Brazil 729 > > Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org > > Project Objective: > > "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy > and > marketing of the *BSD operating systems." > > > PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to > enabled, > while the rest have to be enabled manually. > > For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to > set > things up. > > If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the > report > script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is > > being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is required, > > and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are > 100% > optional ... > > For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the > word, we need more ... > > > If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ... > > -- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. 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Fournier" In-Reply-To: <6C6C117AAA26FCE12662F014@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org> <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com> <6C6C117AAA26FCE12662F014@ganymede.hub.org> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:02:06 -0000 CC severely trimmed 2008/11/3 Marc G. Fournier : > Its a voluntary reporting ... I know with both PC-BSD, reporting is on by > default .. with FreeBSD, its a simple 'make install' in ports ... with > NetBSD/OpenBSD, I suspect its purely manual, so a bit more work involved ... With those it is purely manual but I agree with Jason - it's probably more a distinct lack of interest than a desire to do less work. kmw -- Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even if checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory or defeat.