From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 22 04:17:03 2008 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: alpha@beta.FreeBSD.ORG Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 137B51065677; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: perforce-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D301065672 for <perforce-users@freebsd.org>; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14188FC14 for <perforce-users@freebsd.org>; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8M4H2LZ047230 for <perforce-users@freebsd.org>; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:17:02 GMT (envelope-from peter@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id m8M4H2YR047229 for perforce-users@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:17:02 GMT (envelope-from peter) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:17:02 GMT From: Peter Wemm <peter@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200809220417.m8M4H2YR047229@freefall.freebsd.org> To: perforce-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:48:18 +0000 Cc: Subject: Weekly 'p4 old-stuff summary' X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha <freebsd-alpha.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:17:03 -0000 Mon Sep 22 04:13:23 UTC 2008 http://people.freebsd.org/~peter/p4_cleanup.txt Add notes to //depot/doc/obliterate if you are having trouble deleting clients etc Changes stuck in *PENDING* state (please clean up!) 150208 2008/09/21 marius flak 'IFC @150205 ' 149371 2008/09/07 attilio attilio_sched_lock 'IFC ' 148820 2008/08/29 importer updater 'Import at Fri Aug 29 148742 2008/08/28 csjp hvm01 'Link man pages into t 146596 2008/08/04 jb freebsd3 'Reset ' 145400 2008/07/18 alepulver alepulver_deimos '- Update README - Rem 138987 2008/03/30 piso piso_newluxor 'Let fragment pass. ' 138986 2008/03/30 piso piso_newluxor 'Let fragment pass. ' 135287 2008/02/13 obrien obrien_trang 'style.Makefile(5) ' 134956 2008/02/07 kmacy kmacy:storage:toehead '' 134505 2008/01/30 jb jb_freebsd1 'Remove calls to ddb. 134440 2008/01/30 jb jb_freebsd1 'IFdtrace //depot/pro 134400 2008/01/29 cognet kanar 'Use fixed size types. 128073 2007/10/25 eri eri 'IFC (hoping to build 127873 2007/10/21 attilio attilio_smp 'IFC ' 123651 2007/07/17 rink rink_pitchfork2 'Minor GCC 4.2 fixes - Users without clients for >1 month (not a problem, just FYI): 2003/11/12 kensmith 2006/02/21 bmilekic 2006/07/15 harti 2006/07/18 pdeuskar 2006/09/21 jmelo 2007/03/08 r3boot 2007/04/17 kjayasurya 2007/04/17 clindsay 2007/06/19 dchu 2007/06/22 neelnatu 2007/06/24 linimon 2007/09/10 chris 2007/09/30 tobez 2007/10/14 ale 2007/10/26 lme 2007/10/26 miwi 2008/01/08 mckusick 2008/01/19 dunstan 2008/01/24 prasun 2008/02/19 hsahni 2008/02/19 bbeare 2008/02/21 vijay 2008/02/23 ryanb 2008/03/10 gibbs 2008/03/20 alex 2008/04/25 kmoore134 2008/04/26 danger 2008/05/01 aruns 2008/05/05 baz 2008/05/08 mtrujillo 2008/05/10 User 2008/05/19 ryan 2008/05/23 jaakko 2008/05/26 eric 2008/05/26 mneumann 2008/05/30 berber 2008/06/05 gary.tomic 2008/06/05 lichave 2008/06/05 versus 2008/06/09 njl 2008/06/10 aniket 2008/06/23 miks 2008/06/28 frank 2008/07/08 fjoe 2008/07/09 evgenyzislis 2008/07/10 saper 2008/07/14 mdhall 2008/07/14 tmforce 2008/07/22 guest 2008/07/23 wpc 2008/07/24 ps 2008/07/29 eugene 2008/08/08 mclaus 2008/08/11 anonymous 2008/08/16 avsm 2008/08/18 mr 2008/08/22 wizeman 2008/08/23 dhoske Old clients (>6 months) without open files: 2004/04/11 silby silby_patrocles 2006/01/01 mat mat_bang 2006/01/25 jkim jkim_freefall 2006/01/30 glebius glebius_morannon 2006/01/31 glebius glebius_zoo 2006/02/01 pleblanc fbsd1 2006/02/02 pleblanc pleblanc_chart 2006/02/06 scottk linux 2006/02/07 scottk vaio 2006/02/07 pleblanc pleblanc_sefos1 2006/02/16 scottk 216.235.158.34 2006/02/17 scottk 68.217.74.108 2006/02/17 soc-yanjun yanjun 2006/02/17 deker deker_SEBSD_build.columbia.sparta.com 2006/02/22 deker deker_SEBSD_test.columbia.sparta.com 2006/02/23 areisse areisse_an 2006/02/23 deker deker_imac.slackdot.org 2006/02/24 arun arun-freebsd-xen3 2006/02/28 deker deker_build.slackdot.org 2006/03/02 johan johan_freefall 2006/03/09 soc-saturnero soc-saturnero_cristiana 2006/03/09 jpincus tardis 2006/03/09 scottk 210.213.197.144 2006/03/10 imp imp_ninjin 2006/03/14 tkuik tkuik_xen3 2006/03/17 scottk 210.213.197.25 2006/03/18 emaste emaste_laptop 2006/03/21 scottk hp 2006/03/21 deker korben 2006/03/22 kuriyama kuriyama_waterblue 2006/03/27 pleblanc pleblanc_korben 2006/04/03 deker sebsd_build_sparta 2006/04/22 scottk pavilion 2006/05/14 mat mat_atuin 2006/05/19 philip philip_freefall 2006/05/27 rdivacky witten 2006/05/28 soc-cjones soc-cjones_ides 2006/05/29 perforce perforce_repoman 2006/05/29 kevlo view 2006/05/29 yuanjue yuanjue 2006/05/30 markm markm_greatest_current 2006/05/30 clem1 pouik 2006/05/31 alouca alouca_laptop 2006/05/31 swhitman JOECATMINI 2006/05/31 rodrigc rodrigc_dibbler 2006/06/05 marcio marcio 2006/06/07 deker deker_sparta 2006/06/07 deker deker 2006/06/08 swhitman trillian 2006/06/10 tyler tyler_l4bsd 2006/06/11 hugo hugo_server2.meiland.nl 2006/06/15 trhodes trhodes 2006/06/17 lawrance gis2 2006/06/19 m coffee 2006/06/21 samy seascf-999lv81 2006/06/21 pleblanc pleblanc_p4 2006/06/23 cdjones igneous 2006/06/25 cdjones impulse 2006/06/25 joel joel_dude 2006/06/26 m m_coffee 2006/06/27 piso piso_asuka 2006/06/27 adamartin adamartin-tethys 2006/07/03 ume ume_cheer 2006/07/03 clsung cls_freefall 2006/07/06 deker sebsd_build 2006/07/12 trhodes trhodes-x64 2006/07/15 bmah bmah_laptop 2006/07/17 millert millert_ibook 2006/07/23 luoqi luoqi-ltvm 2006/07/25 kuriyama kuriyama_sienna_ref54 2006/07/25 kuriyama kuriyama_sienna_ref53 2006/07/31 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_dtrace 2006/08/01 clem1 clem1_ipv6vulns 2006/08/04 jvalko jvalko_testbox 2006/08/10 ticso ticso-cicely5 2006/08/11 scottk pcbsd 2006/08/16 dongmei soc-dongmei-trustedbsd 2006/08/19 swhitman swhitman_joethecat 2006/08/22 dongmei soc-dongmei-freebsd 2006/08/25 glebius glebius_behemoth 2006/08/26 shteryana sht-work_snmp 2006/08/27 yuanjue maver-freebsd 2006/08/27 piso piso_gaia 2006/08/27 rik rik_hanum 2006/08/28 ume ume_kasuga 2006/08/29 cdjones cdjones_meanook 2006/08/30 tkuik tkuik_freebsd 2006/09/05 swhitman swhitman_joecatmini 2006/09/06 tyler powerbook_audit 2006/09/13 alc alc_rice 2006/09/22 jvalko thor 2006/09/26 m m_jana 2006/10/10 attilio attilio_laptop 2006/10/11 piso piso_behemoth 2006/10/14 piso piso_jujik 2006/10/25 kevlo kevlo_cens 2006/10/27 deker deker_build1.columbia.sparta.com 2006/10/28 ahze ahze_blueherron 2006/11/08 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_current 2006/11/08 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_stable 2006/11/09 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_devel 2006/11/10 scottk server 2006/11/11 maxim maxim_sonnie 2006/11/12 ru ru_edoofus 2006/11/16 jkim info 2006/11/20 iedowse iedowse_nothing 2006/11/21 kevlo kevlo_monet 2006/11/21 soc-saturnero soc-saturnero_marvin 2006/11/22 marius marius_futile 2006/11/22 emaste emaste_sv_superpages 2006/11/22 emaste bsd-build3 2006/11/25 ssouhlal ssouhlal-maho 2006/11/30 jaras jaras_pacomp 2006/11/30 jaras jarek_v6 2006/12/06 jaras jares_compiler 2006/12/13 jaras jaras_v6 2006/12/15 piso piso_zoo 2006/12/17 ahze blueherron 2006/12/18 mux pentane 2006/12/26 tyler powerbook 2006/12/31 kmacy 75.37.93.18 2007/01/07 riddick neo.riddick.homeunix.org. 2007/01/09 dodell dho 2007/01/10 kmacy netherworld 2007/01/16 csjp csjp_cell0 2007/01/19 lsc lsc_loomis 2007/01/30 piso newluxor 2007/02/08 chibis chibis_atwork 2007/02/20 dumbbell dumbbell_magellan 2007/02/21 millert millert_p4 2007/02/23 millert millert_g5tower 2007/02/23 millert millert_g4tower 2007/02/24 jeff jeff_laptop0 2007/02/26 millert millert_macbook 2007/02/28 cognet cognet 2007/02/28 millert millert_g4dual 2007/03/03 wkoszek wkoszek_dunstan 2007/03/05 dongmei soc-dongmei-sebsd 2007/03/06 syrinx zeus 2007/03/08 flz flz_innercity 2007/03/09 piso piso_longino 2007/03/12 csjp csjp_rnd01 2007/03/13 millert millert_p3 2007/03/27 cdjones cdjones_ides 2007/03/30 nsouch localhost 2007/03/31 tyler intellian_audit 2007/04/01 samarunraj samarunraj_elfwork 2007/04/13 netchild netchild_magellan 2007/04/14 ups ups_build 2007/04/15 samarunraj samarunraj_vm 2007/04/16 jhb jhb_zoo 2007/04/17 scottl scottl-wv1u 2007/04/18 ambrisko a21p 2007/04/18 des des.at.zoo.freebsd.org 2007/04/23 jpincus jpincus_storage:sun4v_work 2007/04/24 sorbo sorbo_laptop 2007/04/30 mjacob mj-scottl 2007/05/09 soc-yanjun Earth 2007/05/19 adamartin adamartin_hobbesxx 2007/05/19 csjp csjp_push 2007/05/19 ivoras ivoras_beastie 2007/05/24 marks marks_par_current 2007/05/25 kmacy kmacy_storage:opentoe_work 2007/05/28 kmacy vt-x 2007/05/31 will will_phobos 2007/06/05 amigus amigus_laptop 2007/06/05 jvalko jvalko_thor 2007/06/11 nsouch piso_skytech 2007/06/12 cdjones cdjones_iconoclast 2007/06/12 dongmei soc2007zhouzhouyi 2007/06/16 maxim maxim_fujic 2007/06/17 krion krion_voodoo 2007/06/18 eri eri-dev 2007/06/22 chub mu 2007/06/24 zhouzhouyi lulf 2007/06/25 mjacob mjexp_sparc64 2007/06/28 kmacy serendipity:opentoe_togo 2007/07/01 chub chub-freebsd 2007/07/03 rink vian 2007/07/03 lulf lulf_ridcully 2007/07/04 philip philip_fasolt 2007/07/05 chub freebsd-perforce 2007/07/12 kmacy parmacvm:opentoe_parvm 2007/07/13 mprevot mprevot_freebsd64 2007/07/13 mprevot scienceclue 2007/07/13 mprevot mprevot_fbsd64 2007/07/15 ivoras ivoras_vsdev 2007/07/22 ogould isla 2007/07/24 gordon gordon_mugu 2007/07/29 mjacob mjexp-obrien 2007/07/31 attilio attilio_xen 2007/08/02 zhouzhouyi zhouzhouyi_incksum 2007/08/02 ivoras ivoras_beastie2 2007/08/06 marcus marcus_shumai 2007/08/06 kmacy kmacy:freefall_ethng 2007/08/09 jbr jbr_faust 2007/08/10 cognet work 2007/08/14 emaste laptop 2007/08/17 jkim jkim_hammer 2007/08/19 smilicic tanarri_marilith 2007/08/20 fabio fabio_gror 2007/08/21 chibis chibis_free 2007/08/22 peter peter_cheese 2007/08/24 jbr jbr_bob 2007/08/24 anchie malimis 2007/08/25 sam sam_aku 2007/08/25 emaste emaste_soc_laptop 2007/08/27 peter peter_vbsd1 2007/08/29 simokawa simokawa_tank 2007/08/31 lulf lulf_rincewind 2007/09/04 rwatson rwatson_coverity 2007/09/05 kmacy kmacy_freefall:toestack 2007/09/07 ljian pony 2007/09/07 loafier chrisdsoc 2007/09/10 ljian pony2 2007/09/10 le le_korben 2007/09/10 mharvan mharvan_bike-planet 2007/09/11 tol tol_hippo 2007/09/12 cnst last 2007/09/18 kmacy kip-macys-computer:opentoe_mbpro 2007/09/19 kevlo kevlo_nsl 2007/09/19 ceri ceri_fenrir 2007/09/21 zhouzhouyi zhouzhouyi-camlock 2007/09/21 ceri ceri_shrike2 2007/09/21 ceri ceri_shrike 2007/09/24 delphij delphij_freefall 2007/09/25 ceri ceri_quinch 2007/09/25 adamartin adamartin_fsl 2007/09/25 adamartin autofs_fsl 2007/09/25 adamartin autofs_hobbes 2007/09/26 ceri ceri_peasant 2007/09/27 delphij delphij_odin 2007/09/28 arved arved_mchammer 2007/09/28 matteo matteo_kaiser_rpc 2007/09/29 wwesolowsky MOOCHIE 2007/09/29 hselasky hselasky_mini_itx 2007/10/03 jhb t-o 2007/10/03 jhb jhb_freefall 2007/10/07 fli fli_manticore 2007/10/12 ssouhlal ssouhlal_w18 2007/10/12 brooks brooks_fellowship 2007/10/12 cnst dale 2007/10/14 thioretic thioretic_freebox 2007/10/15 ljian thinkpad 2007/10/18 peter peter_hammer 2007/10/19 bushman soc-bushman 2007/10/19 bushman bushman_sh 2007/10/22 kmacy freefall_kmacy_xen31 2007/10/24 csjp push 2007/10/25 gordon gordon_mini 2007/10/25 lulf gvinum_convert 2007/10/26 gordon gordon_allie 2007/10/27 mlaier mlaier_flux 2007/11/01 weongyo weongyo_wifi 2007/11/01 swise swise:vic10:toestack 2007/11/02 gallatin whisper 2007/11/05 gallatin whisper_zcopybpf 2007/11/07 peter peter_work 2007/11/07 kris kris_e4500 2007/11/09 gordon review_p4repl_rebuild 2007/11/19 zhouzhouyi zzy 2007/11/20 jaras jaras_compiler 2007/11/21 yar yar_behemoth 2007/11/23 gcooper optimus-pkg_revised 2007/11/24 rrs stewlap-rrs-exp 2007/11/24 kmacy kmacy:zoo:ethng 2007/11/29 ivoras ivoras_finstall 2007/11/29 ivoras ivoras_gv7 2007/12/03 kmacy kmacy:entropy:vendor_old 2007/12/04 julian julian_jules1 2007/12/05 kmacy freefall_kmacy_iwarp 2007/12/12 kmacy kmacy:entropy:toehead 2007/12/12 kmacy kmacy:entropy:toestack 2007/12/12 kmacy kmacy:freefall:toehead 2007/12/12 kmacy kmacy:freefall:toestack 2007/12/12 rrs rrs-dtrace7 2007/12/12 rrs gcc-cavium 2007/12/12 rrs mips2-rrs 2007/12/13 gordon gordon_mbp 2007/12/14 njli li_tirts 2007/12/15 stas stas_phonon 2007/12/15 ssouhlal ssouhlal_bleh 2007/12/16 njli tirts 2007/12/20 jhealy jhealy_gaz 2007/12/22 lstewart newbox 2007/12/29 peter peter_repocopy 2008/01/05 kib kib_deviant_alc 2008/01/06 imp imp_quato 2008/01/07 adrian wendy 2008/01/08 imp imp_nova-bsd-build1 2008/01/09 ambrisko z61p 2008/01/13 sephe sephe_zealot:vap 2008/01/15 jhealy jhealy_newbox 2008/01/16 benno benno_kate 2008/01/17 rrs mips_cavium_rrs 2008/01/19 kris kris_eth 2008/01/19 peter peter_freefall 2008/01/20 scottl scottl-ix 2008/01/20 maxim maxim_mp2 2008/01/21 gonzo gonzo_laptop 2008/01/21 gonzo gonzo_wooster 2008/01/23 adrian adrian_jacinta 2008/01/23 adrian jacinta 2008/01/23 rrs rrs-altroute 2008/01/25 scottk z61m 2008/01/26 jgo greg-thinkpad 2008/01/26 jgo jgo_i386 2008/01/29 rrs stewlap 2008/01/30 kmacy entropy_kmacy_xen31 2008/01/31 kmacy kmacy_home:ethng 2008/02/02 mharvan mharvan_styx 2008/02/05 rwatson rwatson_pinata 2008/02/05 rrs rrs-dtrace8 2008/02/09 yar yar_dg 2008/02/11 benno benno_vtbsd 2008/02/11 rrs rrs-mips2-jnpr-2 2008/02/12 lstewart lstewart_caiavm 2008/02/12 pwood pwood_caesium 2008/02/13 erwin erwin_aphrodite 2008/02/14 anderson neutrino 2008/02/14 cognet hulglah 2008/02/17 csjp csjp_ibm01 2008/02/18 stekloff dsteklof-FreeBSD 2008/02/18 jmallett jmallett_toxic 2008/02/18 eri altq 2008/02/23 lwhsu lucky7 2008/02/25 dongmei DONGMEI 2008/02/25 scottk xen 2008/02/25 scottk scottk_trustedbsd 2008/02/26 taleks taleks_th 2008/02/29 shase shase_fb412 2008/03/01 scottk xen1 2008/03/01 kmacy pandemonium:kmacy:xen31_7_0 2008/03/02 sephe sephe_enigma:sam_vap 2008/03/02 rwatson rwatson_cinnamon_coda 2008/03/03 kmacy kmacy:pandemonium:toehead 2008/03/03 philip philip_zoo 2008/03/03 shteryana prometheus 2008/03/04 syrinx syrinx_zeus 2008/03/04 jhb jhb_cheese 2008/03/07 kmacy entropy 2008/03/08 rpaulo rpaulo_vmware 2008/03/10 tanimura tanimura_shojaku 2008/03/10 imp imp_harmony 2008/03/11 gallatin gallatin_whisper 2008/03/12 sephe sephe_enigma:sam_wifi 2008/03/12 sephe sephe_zealot:sam_wifi 2008/03/13 emaste emaste_pc2 2008/03/14 thompsa thompsa_peeps 2008/03/14 obrien obrien_quynh 2008/03/14 rrs rrs-juniper 2008/03/15 fli fli_nexus 2008/03/15 kmacy pandemonium:kmacy:xen31 2008/03/17 kmacy zoo 2008/03/18 gcooper gcooper-starr 2008/03/18 wsalamon gretsch 2008/03/19 cvance cvance_sony 2008/03/20 soc-yanjun zhouzhouyi_mactest 2008/03/20 arved arved_hush69 2008/03/20 mat mat_aragorn 2008/03/21 dongmei audit3 2008/03/21 dongmei freebsd7_0 2008/03/22 murray murray_soc 2008/03/22 murray murray_hilbert 2008/03/22 dongmei 36C5DAD235FD441 2008/03/24 murray murray_hilbert_www 2008/03/25 dongmei dongmei-soc2007-home 2008/03/25 dongmei dongmei-2007-home 2008/03/25 dongmei dongmei2007 Old clients (>1 month) with open files (sorted by date): 2003/12/14 24 jake jake_k7 2004/02/15 5 emoe emoe_s390_intelli 2004/03/09 12 emoe emoe_s390 2004/03/24 3 tjr tjr_vm 2004/04/08 5 areisse areisse_g4 2004/04/16 1 mini mini_shim 2004/07/09 1 simokawa simokawa_tora2 2004/09/20 19 tjr tjr_dev 2004/11/19 3 simokawa simokawa_ett 2004/12/08 2 pjd_ro pjd_czort 2004/12/17 1 arr arr_hfs 2004/12/19 1 tjr tjr_yuiop 2005/01/17 1 gnagelhout GNAGELHOUT-PC3 2005/02/27 1 phantom phantom_eagle 2005/03/04 51 bigbrother anton-apple 2005/05/22 1 peter peter_hub 2005/06/13 4313 ups ups_palm 2005/07/06 3767 mdodd mdodd_ms6167 2005/07/15 1 dd dd_beaver 2005/07/28 7 areisse areisse_ibook 2005/08/04 4 deker oxide 2005/10/03 11 soc-emily soc-emily_beastie 2005/10/04 9 crameri crameri_labospc40 2005/10/05 5 kelly kelly_riveroaks2.earthlink.net 2005/10/19 2 imp imp_hondo 2005/11/15 4 dd dd_maverick 2005/12/25 1 nork nork_pelsia 2006/01/08 1 soc-polytopes polytopes_kafka 2006/02/03 1 roam roam_straylight 2006/02/04 1 alc alc_sp01 2006/03/16 1 philip philip_loge 2006/04/05 28 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4vtmp 2006/04/11 3 pjd pjd_slayer 2006/04/24 10 kmacy jmg_kmacy 2006/05/09 148 marks marks_laptop 2006/05/29 1 soc-bushman soc-bushman_stinger 2006/06/01 10 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_rwbuf 2006/06/11 5820 dongmei soc-dongmei-xp 2006/06/13 14 rwatson rwatson_paprika 2006/06/16 6 dongmei dongmei-test-client 2006/06/21 37 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work 2006/06/25 9 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_ifc 2006/06/30 10 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_sleepq 2006/06/30 15 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_test 2006/07/06 2 imp imp_Speedy 2006/07/07 1 lawrance dirk 2006/07/09 1552 anholt anholt_leguin 2006/07/30 4 kmacy kmacy_vt-x:dtrace 2006/07/31 8 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_experimental_sux 2006/08/21 1 cdjones cdjones-impulse 2006/08/29 36 cdjones cdjones_igneous 2006/09/04 9 ssouhlal ssouhlal-warp9 2006/09/09 7 davidxu davidxu_alona 2006/09/17 5 gnn gnn_devbox_fast_ipsec 2006/09/27 3 pjd pjd_lcf 2006/09/27 4 dodell the-bofh 2006/10/26 34504 samy samy_viva 2006/10/28 4 kmacy kmacy:freebsd7_xen3 2006/11/09 2307 kmacy kmacy_storage:xen_work_current 2006/11/24 5 mdodd mdodd_ibmtp600e 2006/12/05 10 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_pmap_corruption 2006/12/16 5 alc alc_office 2006/12/29 61 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_superpages 2007/01/01 3 kmacy kmacy_storage:kmacy_wifi 2007/01/14 4 kmacy kmacy_storage:sam_wifi 2007/01/19 4 kmacy kmacy_vt-x:usb 2007/01/19 10 nsouch nsouch_armor 2007/01/21 2 tyler orange 2007/01/22 1 kmacy kmacy_netherworld:sam_wifi 2007/01/26 42675 lsc loomis 2007/02/19 31599 simokawa simokawa_tora 2007/02/23 3 dumbbell dumbbell_viking 2007/02/27 1 bushman bushman_nss_ldap_cached 2007/03/30 8 dwhite dwhite_stan 2007/03/30 35439 nsouch hglee_darkstar 2007/04/15 5 als als_head 2007/05/13 15 kmacy kmacy_serendipity:sam_wifi 2007/05/17 2 mlaier mlaier_testlap 2007/06/12 2 dongmei soc2007 2007/06/17 6156 rink rink_pitchfork 2007/06/22 3068 marks marks_macbook 2007/06/29 43 chub chub-soc2007 2007/07/02 6 eri eri_dev 2007/07/03 34 peter peter_ia64 2007/07/06 3 kmacy kmacy_vt-x:opentoe_init 2007/07/20 4 ups ups_giant 2007/07/27 1 chub chub-perforce-mu 2007/07/27 63 chub chub-msdosfs 2007/07/29 42 alfred alfred_parallel 2007/08/06 37342 kmacy kmacy_storage:ethng 2007/09/07 16 gcooper optimus-revised_pkgtools 2007/09/16 1 karma karma_ez 2007/09/19 2 dds dds_hawk 2007/09/21 40895 kmacy storage 2007/09/25 2 adamartin adamartin_hobbes 2007/10/08 4 imp imp_marvin 2007/10/21 3 kmacy kmacy_home:ethng_ref 2007/10/29 5 rink rink_pitchfork2 2007/11/04 4 gordon gordon_bally 2007/11/05 767 attilio attilio_smp 2007/11/05 1 gordon gordon_repoman 2007/11/06 13 kmacy kmacy_home:opentoe 2007/12/19 7 kmacy kmacy:storage:toestack 2007/12/28 13 ticso ticso 2008/01/01 1 kmacy entropy_kmacy_xen3 2008/01/17 136 gcooper shiina-ibook 2008/01/18 1 kris kris_gumby2a 2008/01/19 1 wkoszek wkoszek_sledge 2008/01/21 30 trhodes trhodes_local 2008/01/22 2 benno benno_windfarm 2008/01/22 1 rrs mips_rrs 2008/02/01 25734 kevlo kevlo_rtsl 2008/02/07 1 pramod pramod_linux 2008/02/14 2 cognet cognet-mips 2008/02/16 168 eri eri 2008/02/17 2 kris kris_gumby5 2008/02/18 4 csjp csjp_xor 2008/02/21 60 kris kris_zoo_net 2008/02/23 5 kmacy kmacy:storage:toehead 2008/02/26 29 kris kris_16core 2008/02/29 22 kmacy pandemonium:kmacy:xen31_6 2008/03/01 138 cperciva cperciva_freefall 2008/03/08 1 delphij tarsier 2008/03/09 5 kmacy kmacy:entropy:iwarp 2008/03/12 1 phk phk_hex 2008/03/13 2 kris kris_barc1 2008/03/17 7384 kmacy pandemonium:kmacy:iwarp 2008/03/20 1 swise swise:vic10:iwarp 2008/03/21 4 jb jb_freebsd8 2008/03/26 8 gnn gnn_nozomi8 2008/04/01 2 scottl scottl-deimos 2008/04/02 1 gordon gordon_charlie 2008/04/11 5 rrs rrs-mips2-jnpr 2008/04/19 1 peter peter_melody 2008/04/19 3 rwatson rwatson_noisy 2008/04/19 2 rwatson rwatson_noisier 2008/04/24 1 sat sat_amilo 2008/04/27 1 brueffer brueffer_serenity 2008/04/29 2 mlaier mlaier_amd64 2008/05/01 2535 ups ups_tinto 2008/05/01 7 peter peter_macbook 2008/05/02 9 jls jls_whack 2008/05/04 2238 carvay terry 2008/05/13 1 wwesolowsky wadew-ports 2008/05/21 3 murray murray_hilbert_django 2008/05/23 6299 rink rink_vian 2008/05/25 6 phk phk_critter 2008/05/27 1 gordon gordon_rootbsd 2008/05/28 5 gnn gnn_builder 2008/06/03 1 grehan grehan-mips2 2008/06/08 3147 wkoszek wkoszek_laptop 2008/06/11 3 gnn gnn_laptop_fbsd64 2008/06/20 25 kris kris_zoo_superpages 2008/06/20 34 kris kris_zoo_rwatson_udp 2008/06/21 8 kris kris_zoo6 2008/07/07 996 lqlee fbsd 2008/07/07 7 andre andre_flirtbox 2008/07/09 2 brooks brooks_lor 2008/07/12 1 kris kris_zoo_vimage 2008/07/14 99 kris kris_pointyhat 2008/07/19 115 kris kris_zoo1 2008/07/21 22 kris kris_zoo_tty 2008/07/27 31133 alc alc_home 2008/07/31 1 lulf lulf_twoflower 2008/08/10 8 rwatson rwatson_peppercorn 2008/08/12 90 jmg jmg_carbon 2008/08/15 4 bz bz_zoo 2008/08/16 11 kris kris_zoo_zfs 2008/08/17 12 des des.at.des.no 2008/08/21 18 attilio attilio_lockmgrng Old clients (>1 month) with open files (sorted by files): 2007/01/26 42675 lsc loomis 2007/09/21 40895 kmacy storage 2007/08/06 37342 kmacy kmacy_storage:ethng 2007/03/30 35439 nsouch hglee_darkstar 2006/10/26 34504 samy samy_viva 2007/02/19 31599 simokawa simokawa_tora 2008/07/27 31133 alc alc_home 2008/02/01 25734 kevlo kevlo_rtsl 2008/03/17 7384 kmacy pandemonium:kmacy:iwarp 2008/05/23 6299 rink rink_vian 2007/06/17 6156 rink rink_pitchfork 2006/06/11 5820 dongmei soc-dongmei-xp 2005/06/13 4313 ups ups_palm 2005/07/06 3767 mdodd mdodd_ms6167 2008/06/08 3147 wkoszek wkoszek_laptop 2007/06/22 3068 marks marks_macbook 2008/05/01 2535 ups ups_tinto 2006/11/09 2307 kmacy kmacy_storage:xen_work_current 2008/05/04 2238 carvay terry 2006/07/09 1552 anholt anholt_leguin 2008/07/07 996 lqlee fbsd 2007/11/05 767 attilio attilio_smp 2008/02/16 168 eri eri 2006/05/09 148 marks marks_laptop 2008/03/01 138 cperciva cperciva_freefall 2008/01/17 136 gcooper shiina-ibook 2008/07/19 115 kris kris_zoo1 2008/07/14 99 kris kris_pointyhat 2008/08/12 90 jmg jmg_carbon 2007/07/27 63 chub chub-msdosfs 2006/12/29 61 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_superpages 2008/02/21 60 kris kris_zoo_net 2005/03/04 51 bigbrother anton-apple 2007/06/29 43 chub chub-soc2007 2007/07/29 42 alfred alfred_parallel 2006/06/21 37 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work 2006/08/29 36 cdjones cdjones_igneous 2008/06/20 34 kris kris_zoo_rwatson_udp 2007/07/03 34 peter peter_ia64 2008/01/21 30 trhodes trhodes_local 2008/02/26 29 kris kris_16core 2006/04/05 28 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4vtmp 2008/06/20 25 kris kris_zoo_superpages 2003/12/14 24 jake jake_k7 2008/07/21 22 kris kris_zoo_tty 2008/02/29 22 kmacy pandemonium:kmacy:xen31_6 2004/09/20 19 tjr tjr_dev 2008/08/21 18 attilio attilio_lockmgrng 2007/09/07 16 gcooper optimus-revised_pkgtools 2006/06/30 15 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_test 2007/05/13 15 kmacy kmacy_serendipity:sam_wifi 2006/06/13 14 rwatson rwatson_paprika 2007/12/28 13 ticso ticso 2007/11/06 13 kmacy kmacy_home:opentoe 2004/03/09 12 emoe emoe_s390 2008/08/17 12 des des.at.des.no 2008/08/16 11 kris kris_zoo_zfs 2005/10/03 11 soc-emily soc-emily_beastie 2006/06/30 10 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_sleepq 2006/04/24 10 kmacy jmg_kmacy 2006/06/01 10 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_rwbuf 2006/12/05 10 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_pmap_corruption 2007/01/19 10 nsouch nsouch_armor 2006/06/25 9 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_ifc 2006/09/04 9 ssouhlal ssouhlal-warp9 2008/05/02 9 jls jls_whack 2005/10/04 9 crameri crameri_labospc40 2007/03/30 8 dwhite dwhite_stan 2008/03/26 8 gnn gnn_nozomi8 2008/06/21 8 kris kris_zoo6 2008/08/10 8 rwatson rwatson_peppercorn 2006/07/31 8 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_experimental_sux 2006/09/09 7 davidxu davidxu_alona 2005/07/28 7 areisse areisse_ibook 2008/05/01 7 peter peter_macbook 2007/12/19 7 kmacy kmacy:storage:toestack 2008/07/07 7 andre andre_flirtbox 2008/05/25 6 phk phk_critter 2007/07/02 6 eri eri_dev 2006/06/16 6 dongmei dongmei-test-client 2006/11/24 5 mdodd mdodd_ibmtp600e 2008/03/09 5 kmacy kmacy:entropy:iwarp 2004/02/15 5 emoe emoe_s390_intelli 2007/04/15 5 als als_head 2006/09/17 5 gnn gnn_devbox_fast_ipsec 2007/10/29 5 rink rink_pitchfork2 2004/04/08 5 areisse areisse_g4 2008/05/28 5 gnn gnn_builder 2008/04/11 5 rrs rrs-mips2-jnpr 2006/12/16 5 alc alc_office 2008/02/23 5 kmacy kmacy:storage:toehead 2005/10/05 5 kelly kelly_riveroaks2.earthlink.net 2007/01/19 4 kmacy kmacy_vt-x:usb 2007/11/04 4 gordon gordon_bally 2007/10/08 4 imp imp_marvin 2006/10/28 4 kmacy kmacy:freebsd7_xen3 2006/09/27 4 dodell the-bofh 2006/07/30 4 kmacy kmacy_vt-x:dtrace 2005/11/15 4 dd dd_maverick 2008/03/21 4 jb jb_freebsd8 2008/08/15 4 bz bz_zoo 2007/01/14 4 kmacy kmacy_storage:sam_wifi 2005/08/04 4 deker oxide 2007/07/20 4 ups ups_giant 2008/02/18 4 csjp csjp_xor 2007/07/06 3 kmacy kmacy_vt-x:opentoe_init 2006/09/27 3 pjd pjd_lcf 2008/05/21 3 murray murray_hilbert_django 2006/04/11 3 pjd pjd_slayer 2007/02/23 3 dumbbell dumbbell_viking 2007/01/01 3 kmacy kmacy_storage:kmacy_wifi 2004/03/24 3 tjr tjr_vm 2004/11/19 3 simokawa simokawa_ett 2008/06/11 3 gnn gnn_laptop_fbsd64 2008/04/19 3 rwatson rwatson_noisy 2007/10/21 3 kmacy kmacy_home:ethng_ref 2007/01/21 2 tyler orange 2008/02/14 2 cognet cognet-mips 2007/09/19 2 dds dds_hawk 2008/01/22 2 benno benno_windfarm 2008/07/09 2 brooks brooks_lor 2008/04/19 2 rwatson rwatson_noisier 2005/10/19 2 imp imp_hondo 2006/07/06 2 imp imp_Speedy 2008/03/13 2 kris kris_barc1 2007/05/17 2 mlaier mlaier_testlap 2007/06/12 2 dongmei soc2007 2004/12/08 2 pjd_ro pjd_czort 2008/02/17 2 kris kris_gumby5 2008/04/01 2 scottl scottl-deimos 2008/04/29 2 mlaier mlaier_amd64 2007/09/25 2 adamartin adamartin_hobbes 2004/12/19 1 tjr tjr_yuiop 2008/04/02 1 gordon gordon_charlie 2008/03/08 1 delphij tarsier 2005/07/15 1 dd dd_beaver 2007/01/22 1 kmacy kmacy_netherworld:sam_wifi 2008/04/19 1 peter peter_melody 2008/01/19 1 wkoszek wkoszek_sledge 2007/09/16 1 karma karma_ez 2007/11/05 1 gordon gordon_repoman 2008/03/12 1 phk phk_hex 2008/04/27 1 brueffer brueffer_serenity 2008/04/24 1 sat sat_amilo 2005/12/25 1 nork nork_pelsia 2008/05/13 1 wwesolowsky wadew-ports 2008/07/31 1 lulf lulf_twoflower 2006/02/03 1 roam roam_straylight 2008/01/22 1 rrs mips_rrs 2006/02/04 1 alc alc_sp01 2008/01/01 1 kmacy entropy_kmacy_xen3 2007/02/27 1 bushman bushman_nss_ldap_cached 2008/05/27 1 gordon gordon_rootbsd 2004/07/09 1 simokawa simokawa_tora2 2007/07/27 1 chub chub-perforce-mu 2005/05/22 1 peter peter_hub 2008/01/18 1 kris kris_gumby2a 2006/01/08 1 soc-polytopes polytopes_kafka 2005/01/17 1 gnagelhout GNAGELHOUT-PC3 2006/05/29 1 soc-bushman soc-bushman_stinger 2005/02/27 1 phantom phantom_eagle 2008/02/07 1 pramod pramod_linux 2006/07/07 1 lawrance dirk 2004/12/17 1 arr arr_hfs 2008/07/12 1 kris kris_zoo_vimage 2004/04/16 1 mini mini_shim 2006/08/21 1 cdjones cdjones-impulse 2006/03/16 1 philip philip_loge 2008/06/03 1 grehan grehan-mips2 2008/03/20 1 swise swise:vic10:iwarp Old clients (>1 month) with open files (sorted by user): 2007/09/25 2 adamartin adamartin_hobbes 2006/02/04 1 alc alc_sp01 2006/12/16 5 alc alc_office 2008/07/27 31133 alc alc_home 2007/07/29 42 alfred alfred_parallel 2007/04/15 5 als als_head 2008/07/07 7 andre andre_flirtbox 2006/07/09 1552 anholt anholt_leguin 2005/07/28 7 areisse areisse_ibook 2004/04/08 5 areisse areisse_g4 2004/12/17 1 arr arr_hfs 2008/08/21 18 attilio attilio_lockmgrng 2007/11/05 767 attilio attilio_smp 2008/01/22 2 benno benno_windfarm 2005/03/04 51 bigbrother anton-apple 2008/07/09 2 brooks brooks_lor 2008/04/27 1 brueffer brueffer_serenity 2007/02/27 1 bushman bushman_nss_ldap_cached 2008/08/15 4 bz bz_zoo 2008/05/04 2238 carvay terry 2006/08/29 36 cdjones cdjones_igneous 2006/08/21 1 cdjones cdjones-impulse 2007/06/29 43 chub chub-soc2007 2007/07/27 63 chub chub-msdosfs 2007/07/27 1 chub chub-perforce-mu 2008/02/14 2 cognet cognet-mips 2008/03/01 138 cperciva cperciva_freefall 2005/10/04 9 crameri crameri_labospc40 2008/02/18 4 csjp csjp_xor 2006/09/09 7 davidxu davidxu_alona 2005/07/15 1 dd dd_beaver 2005/11/15 4 dd dd_maverick 2007/09/19 2 dds dds_hawk 2005/08/04 4 deker oxide 2008/03/08 1 delphij tarsier 2008/08/17 12 des des.at.des.no 2006/09/27 4 dodell the-bofh 2006/06/11 5820 dongmei soc-dongmei-xp 2007/06/12 2 dongmei soc2007 2006/06/16 6 dongmei dongmei-test-client 2007/02/23 3 dumbbell dumbbell_viking 2007/03/30 8 dwhite dwhite_stan 2004/02/15 5 emoe emoe_s390_intelli 2004/03/09 12 emoe emoe_s390 2007/07/02 6 eri eri_dev 2008/02/16 168 eri eri 2007/09/07 16 gcooper optimus-revised_pkgtools 2008/01/17 136 gcooper shiina-ibook 2005/01/17 1 gnagelhout GNAGELHOUT-PC3 2006/09/17 5 gnn gnn_devbox_fast_ipsec 2008/05/28 5 gnn gnn_builder 2008/03/26 8 gnn gnn_nozomi8 2008/06/11 3 gnn gnn_laptop_fbsd64 2008/04/02 1 gordon gordon_charlie 2007/11/04 4 gordon gordon_bally 2007/11/05 1 gordon gordon_repoman 2008/05/27 1 gordon gordon_rootbsd 2008/06/03 1 grehan grehan-mips2 2007/10/08 4 imp imp_marvin 2005/10/19 2 imp imp_hondo 2006/07/06 2 imp imp_Speedy 2003/12/14 24 jake jake_k7 2008/03/21 4 jb jb_freebsd8 2008/05/02 9 jls jls_whack 2008/08/12 90 jmg jmg_carbon 2007/09/16 1 karma karma_ez 2005/10/05 5 kelly kelly_riveroaks2.earthlink.net 2008/02/01 25734 kevlo kevlo_rtsl 2007/01/19 4 kmacy kmacy_vt-x:usb 2008/03/09 5 kmacy kmacy:entropy:iwarp 2006/06/30 10 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_sleepq 2007/07/06 3 kmacy kmacy_vt-x:opentoe_init 2006/06/25 9 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_ifc 2007/09/21 40895 kmacy storage 2007/12/19 7 kmacy kmacy:storage:toestack 2006/10/28 4 kmacy kmacy:freebsd7_xen3 2006/04/24 10 kmacy jmg_kmacy 2007/01/22 1 kmacy kmacy_netherworld:sam_wifi 2008/03/17 7384 kmacy pandemonium:kmacy:iwarp 2006/06/01 10 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_rwbuf 2007/11/06 13 kmacy kmacy_home:opentoe 2007/08/06 37342 kmacy kmacy_storage:ethng 2006/07/30 4 kmacy kmacy_vt-x:dtrace 2007/01/01 3 kmacy kmacy_storage:kmacy_wifi 2006/06/21 37 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work 2008/02/29 22 kmacy pandemonium:kmacy:xen31_6 2008/01/01 1 kmacy entropy_kmacy_xen3 2006/06/30 15 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_test 2006/12/05 10 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_pmap_corruption 2006/11/09 2307 kmacy kmacy_storage:xen_work_current 2008/02/23 5 kmacy kmacy:storage:toehead 2007/01/14 4 kmacy kmacy_storage:sam_wifi 2007/05/13 15 kmacy kmacy_serendipity:sam_wifi 2006/12/29 61 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_superpages 2007/10/21 3 kmacy kmacy_home:ethng_ref 2006/04/05 28 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4vtmp 2006/07/31 8 kmacy kmacy_storage:sun4v_work_experimental_sux 2008/02/26 29 kris kris_16core 2008/06/20 25 kris kris_zoo_superpages 2008/07/19 115 kris kris_zoo1 2008/07/21 22 kris kris_zoo_tty 2008/03/13 2 kris kris_barc1 2008/08/16 11 kris kris_zoo_zfs 2008/02/21 60 kris kris_zoo_net 2008/06/21 8 kris kris_zoo6 2008/02/17 2 kris kris_gumby5 2008/01/18 1 kris kris_gumby2a 2008/07/14 99 kris kris_pointyhat 2008/06/20 34 kris kris_zoo_rwatson_udp 2008/07/12 1 kris kris_zoo_vimage 2006/07/07 1 lawrance dirk 2008/07/07 996 lqlee fbsd 2007/01/26 42675 lsc loomis 2008/07/31 1 lulf lulf_twoflower 2007/06/22 3068 marks marks_macbook 2006/05/09 148 marks marks_laptop 2006/11/24 5 mdodd mdodd_ibmtp600e 2005/07/06 3767 mdodd mdodd_ms6167 2004/04/16 1 mini mini_shim 2007/05/17 2 mlaier mlaier_testlap 2008/04/29 2 mlaier mlaier_amd64 2008/05/21 3 murray murray_hilbert_django 2005/12/25 1 nork nork_pelsia 2007/03/30 35439 nsouch hglee_darkstar 2007/01/19 10 nsouch nsouch_armor 2008/05/01 7 peter peter_macbook 2008/04/19 1 peter peter_melody 2005/05/22 1 peter peter_hub 2007/07/03 34 peter peter_ia64 2005/02/27 1 phantom phantom_eagle 2006/03/16 1 philip philip_loge 2008/05/25 6 phk phk_critter 2008/03/12 1 phk phk_hex 2006/09/27 3 pjd pjd_lcf 2006/04/11 3 pjd pjd_slayer 2004/12/08 2 pjd_ro pjd_czort 2008/02/07 1 pramod pramod_linux 2007/10/29 5 rink rink_pitchfork2 2007/06/17 6156 rink rink_pitchfork 2008/05/23 6299 rink rink_vian 2006/02/03 1 roam roam_straylight 2008/04/11 5 rrs rrs-mips2-jnpr 2008/01/22 1 rrs mips_rrs 2008/04/19 2 rwatson rwatson_noisier 2006/06/13 14 rwatson rwatson_paprika 2008/08/10 8 rwatson rwatson_peppercorn 2008/04/19 3 rwatson rwatson_noisy 2006/10/26 34504 samy samy_viva 2008/04/24 1 sat sat_amilo 2008/04/01 2 scottl scottl-deimos 2007/02/19 31599 simokawa simokawa_tora 2004/11/19 3 simokawa simokawa_ett 2004/07/09 1 simokawa simokawa_tora2 2006/05/29 1 soc-bushman soc-bushman_stinger 2005/10/03 11 soc-emily soc-emily_beastie 2006/01/08 1 soc-polytopes polytopes_kafka 2006/09/04 9 ssouhlal ssouhlal-warp9 2008/03/20 1 swise swise:vic10:iwarp 2007/12/28 13 ticso ticso 2004/12/19 1 tjr tjr_yuiop 2004/03/24 3 tjr tjr_vm 2004/09/20 19 tjr tjr_dev 2008/01/21 30 trhodes trhodes_local 2007/01/21 2 tyler orange 2008/05/01 2535 ups ups_tinto 2005/06/13 4313 ups ups_palm 2007/07/20 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The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f alpha/127248 alpha System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt o alpha/105134 alpha 'panic: lockmgr: thread ... not exclusive lock owner' o alpha/85346 alpha PREEMPTION causes unstability in Alpha4000 SMP kernel o alpha/67903 alpha hw.chipset.memory: 1099511627776 - thats way to much : s alpha/67626 alpha X crashes an alpha machine, resulting reboot o alpha/61973 alpha Machine Check on boot-up of AlphaServer 2100A RM o alpha/61940 alpha [sysinstall] Can't disklabel new disk from FreeBSD/alp o alpha/48676 alpha Changing the baud rate of serial consoles for Alpha sy o alpha/38031 alpha osf1.ko not loaded during boot-time of linux-emu enabl o alpha/25284 alpha PC164 won't reboot with graphics console 10 problems total. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 10:00:10 2008 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CAF106566B for <freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org>; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534F88FC13 for <freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org>; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8NA091J013282 for <freebsd-alpha@freefall.freebsd.org>; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:00:09 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id m8NA092P013281; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:00:09 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:00:09 GMT Message-Id: <200809231000.m8NA092P013281@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org From: Alexey Lebedev <alexey@zhtw.org.ru> Cc: Subject: Re: alpha/127248: System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt320-vt510) connected to the server via com to usb adapter and 2-usb hubs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alexey Lebedev <alexey@zhtw.org.ru> List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha <freebsd-alpha.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:00:10 -0000 The following reply was made to PR alpha/127248; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alexey Lebedev <alexey@zhtw.org.ru> To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, alexey@zhtw.org.ru Cc: Subject: Re: alpha/127248: System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt320-vt510) connected to the server via com to usb adapter and 2-usb hubs. Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:37 +0400 I've added KDB, GDB, DDB. That's the backtrace: Tracing pid 28 tid 100026 td 0xfffffc001f510ac0 free_untl() at free_untl+0x114 free_unr() at free_unr+0xc4 devfs_free() at devfs_free+0x4c destroy_devl() at destroy_devl+0x280 destroy_devl() at destroy_devl+0x78 destory_dev() at destroy_dev+0x24 ttyfree() at rryfree+0x30 ucom_detach() at ucom_detach+0x68 uplcom_detach() at uplcom_detach+0x48 device_detach() at device_detach+0x84 usb_disconnect_port() at usb_disconnect_port+0xf0 uhub_explore() at uhub_explore+0x214 uhub_explore() at uhub_explore+0x1cc uhub_explore() at uhub_explore+0x1cc uhub_explore() at uhub_explore+0x1cc usb_discover() at usb_discover+0x48 usb_event_thread() at usb_event_thread+0xb8 fork_exit() at fork_exit+0xb0 exception_return() at exception_return --- root of call fraph --- I didn't find out how to copy this to email and just retyped it here by hands, so there maybe some mistakes, even though i was very careful. How to do that btw? From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 25 12:54:31 2008 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419061065694 for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:54:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from raven.bwct.de (raven.bwct.de [85.159.14.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB2C8FC1B for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:54:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de ([10.1.1.7]) by raven.bwct.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m8PCsNaA027385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:54:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely7.cicely.de [10.1.1.9]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8PCsJlK031190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:54:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8PCsJPC060059; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:54:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m8PCsH3Q060058; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:54:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:54:17 +0200 From: Bernd Walter <ticso@cicely7.cicely.de> To: Dieter <freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com> Message-ID: <20080925125417.GQ93308@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <20080920125414.GS93308@cicely7.cicely.de> <200809201655.QAA10313@sopwith.solgatos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200809201655.QAA10313@sopwith.solgatos.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on spamd.cicely.de Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/127248: System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt320-vt510) connected to the server via com to usb adapter and 2-usb hubs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha <freebsd-alpha.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:54:31 -0000 On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 09:55:59AM +0100, Dieter wrote: > [ -hardware@ list added to existing -alpha@ thread as this > doesn't seem to be alpha specific ] > > > This is because USB is absolutely crap for this purpose. > > RS232 terminals, especially with long cables, can produce several kind > > of spikes and ground loops, which USB is very very sensitive about. > > Many things about USB are crap (thanks, inthell), but if a USB to RS-232 > bridge cannot handle normal spikes and ground loops, I'd blame the > bridge, not USB itself. If the problem is spikes and ground loops > there is probably some RS-232 filter/isolator available to clean them > up. There could be a bug in the bridge which needs a software workaround. > In any case the system shouldn't crash. > > Are there specific make&model USB to RS-232 bridges that people > have had good luck with? USB can't handle spikes and ground loops. As said: use isolated devices, so you don't have the loops and spikes. You can blame the device for not being isolated, but you expect every device to provide expensive workaround for a design failure. USB is designed for cheap stuff - that's all about it. Yes - the system shouldn't crash, but don't expect it ever being fixed for FreeBSD-alpha. > > My advise is to use a completely other technology to connect the terminals. > > A galvanic isolated USB device might work, but there are lot of PCI and > > Ethernet devices on the market which are more solid by design than USB. > > The problem with PCI is the limited number of slots. :-( Well - not realy with server class alphas... > Ethernet could be a good solution for some applications, if you > can get the software to deal with it. NFS is crap, *real* distributed > file systems handled devices transparently. (thanks, Sun) This is a different topic. For RS232 Ethernet is quite reasonable. > Does anyone make firewire to RS-232 bridges? Or stay with the old DEC devices - they are rock solid even after all those years. -- B.Walter <bernd@bwct.de> http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 25 13:16:51 2008 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BCD1065687; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886EF8FC30; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:16:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [82.95.250.254]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m8PCx3wH032251; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:59:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8PCwxUf063299; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:58:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m8PCws60063298; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:58:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:58:54 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte <wb@freebie.xs4all.nl> To: ticso@cicely.de Message-ID: <20080925125852.GK59387@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20080920125414.GS93308@cicely7.cicely.de> <200809201655.QAA10313@sopwith.solgatos.com> <20080925125417.GQ93308@cicely7.cicely.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080925125417.GQ93308@cicely7.cicely.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/127248: System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt320-vt510) connected to the server via com to usb adapter and 2-usb hubs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha <freebsd-alpha.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:16:51 -0000 Quoting Bernd Walter, who wrote on Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 02:54:17PM +0200 .. > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 09:55:59AM +0100, Dieter wrote: > > [ -hardware@ list added to existing -alpha@ thread as this > > doesn't seem to be alpha specific ] > > > > > This is because USB is absolutely crap for this purpose. > > > RS232 terminals, especially with long cables, can produce several kind > > > of spikes and ground loops, which USB is very very sensitive about. > > > > Many things about USB are crap (thanks, inthell), but if a USB to RS-232 > > bridge cannot handle normal spikes and ground loops, I'd blame the > > bridge, not USB itself. If the problem is spikes and ground loops > > there is probably some RS-232 filter/isolator available to clean them > > up. There could be a bug in the bridge which needs a software workaround. > > In any case the system shouldn't crash. > > > > Are there specific make&model USB to RS-232 bridges that people > > have had good luck with? > > USB can't handle spikes and ground loops. > As said: use isolated devices, so you don't have the loops and spikes. > You can blame the device for not being isolated, but you expect every > device to provide expensive workaround for a design failure. > USB is designed for cheap stuff - that's all about it. 20mA current loop comes to mind > > > A galvanic isolated USB device might work, but there are lot of PCI and > > > Ethernet devices on the market which are more solid by design than USB. > > > > The problem with PCI is the limited number of slots. :-( > > Well - not realy with server class alphas... Yeah... a Turbolaser running a terminal server 8-) > > Does anyone make firewire to RS-232 bridges? > > Or stay with the old DEC devices - they are rock solid even after all > those years. DECserver900 are indeed rock solid. Run reverse-telnet driven bij conserver on FreeBSD. Works like a charm. I still have a considerable # of lines like that running in an engineering lab. conserver runs on Tru64 in that particular case. Wilko From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 25 17:11:08 2008 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689781065695; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from parsely.rain.com (parsely.rain.com [199.26.172.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7A28FC15; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (uucp@localhost) by parsely.rain.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with UUCP id m8PHAxK62467; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id RAA18993; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:01:51 GMT Message-Id: <200809251701.RAA18993@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:54:17 +0200." <20080925125417.GQ93308@cicely7.cicely.de> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:01:51 +0100 From: Dieter <freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com> Cc: Subject: Re: alpha/127248: System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt320-vt510) connected to the server via com to usb adapter and 2-usb hubs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha <freebsd-alpha.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:11:08 -0000 [ -usb@ added to existing thread ] > > > This is because USB is absolutely crap for this purpose. > > > RS232 terminals, especially with long cables, can produce several kind > > > of spikes and ground loops, which USB is very very sensitive about. > > > > Many things about USB are crap (thanks, inthell), but if a USB to RS-232 > > bridge cannot handle normal spikes and ground loops, I'd blame the > > bridge, not USB itself. If the problem is spikes and ground loops > > there is probably some RS-232 filter/isolator available to clean them > > up. There could be a bug in the bridge which needs a software workaround. > > In any case the system shouldn't crash. > > > > Are there specific make&model USB to RS-232 bridges that people > > have had good luck with? > > USB can't handle spikes and ground loops. > As said: use isolated devices, so you don't have the loops and spikes. > You can blame the device for not being isolated, but you expect every > device to provide expensive workaround for a design failure. > USB is designed for cheap stuff - that's all about it. Surely a "good" USB to RS-232 bridge (if one exists?) or a RS-232 filter/isolator (assuming they exist?) would be *far* less expensive than the server class alpha you suggest below. And IIRC it is just speculation that the original poster's problem is caused by spikes or ground loops. > Yes - the system shouldn't crash, but don't expect it ever being fixed > for FreeBSD-alpha. There is a 6.4 coming out, yes? It is unlikely that the problem is alpha specific. If an alpha crashes, other archs will likely crash. > > > My advise is to use a completely other technology to connect the terminals. > > > A galvanic isolated USB device might work, but there are lot of PCI and > > > Ethernet devices on the market which are more solid by design than USB. > > > > The problem with PCI is the limited number of slots. :-( > > Well - not realy with server class alphas... In my world, a "server" means 1-4 full height 19" racks with quite large price tags and power&cooling requirements. Some people think a server is a pee-cee. So I'm not sure what you mean by "server class alphas". I have what I would call a "workstation" class alpha, which cost an obscene amount to get 6 PCI slots instead of 4, and at times they are all full. So I can't use up a slot just to get a couple more RS-232 ports. How many PCI slots does a server class alpha have? RS-232 doesn't require PCI levels of bandwidth. Something like a USB to RS-232 bridge could be a good solution, if I knew which make&model of bridge worked well with *BSD. Poking around on the web I can't even find what chip they have inside. Do these bridges actually work properly, or do they have gotchas like the USB to SATA/PATA bridges? > > Ethernet could be a good solution for some applications, if you > > can get the software to deal with it. NFS is crap, *real* distributed > > file systems handled devices transparently. (thanks, Sun) > > This is a different topic. > For RS232 Ethernet is quite reasonable. For some applications yes. But some apps want to open /dev/ttyXX and do ioctls on it. How does one use such an app on Free/Net/OpenBSD with the RS-232 device on some Ethernet connected RS-232 port? > > Does anyone make firewire to RS-232 bridges? > > Or stay with the old DEC devices - they are rock solid even after all > those years. It is not obvious what "old DEC devices" you are referring to. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 25 17:54:41 2008 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87926106568E for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:54:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E178FC2B for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:54:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JzF61a0060QkzPwAA5egmi; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:38:41 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K5ed1a00C4v8bD78N5edU1; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:38:38 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XTcIjhJ2o1MA:10 a=wJoO8qgNyacA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=n2mVluqdqtx0iPfJs8MA:9 a=cwbzKhUv-0Nns03EDYZIBqHzAUMA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 57BDCC9432; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:38:37 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@FreeBSD.org> To: Dieter <freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com> Message-ID: <20080925173837.GA3415@icarus.home.lan> References: <20080925125417.GQ93308@cicely7.cicely.de> <200809251701.RAA18993@sopwith.solgatos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200809251701.RAA18993@sopwith.solgatos.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/127248: System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt320-vt510) connected to the server via com to usb adapter and 2-usb hubs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha <freebsd-alpha.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:54:41 -0000 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:01:51AM +0100, Dieter wrote: > [ -usb@ added to existing thread ] > > > > > This is because USB is absolutely crap for this purpose. > > > > RS232 terminals, especially with long cables, can produce several kind > > > > of spikes and ground loops, which USB is very very sensitive about. > > > > > > Many things about USB are crap (thanks, inthell), but if a USB to RS-232 > > > bridge cannot handle normal spikes and ground loops, I'd blame the > > > bridge, not USB itself. If the problem is spikes and ground loops > > > there is probably some RS-232 filter/isolator available to clean them > > > up. There could be a bug in the bridge which needs a software workaround. > > > In any case the system shouldn't crash. > > > > > > Are there specific make&model USB to RS-232 bridges that people > > > have had good luck with? > > > > USB can't handle spikes and ground loops. > > As said: use isolated devices, so you don't have the loops and spikes. > > You can blame the device for not being isolated, but you expect every > > device to provide expensive workaround for a design failure. > > USB is designed for cheap stuff - that's all about it. > > Surely a "good" USB to RS-232 bridge (if one exists?) or a RS-232 > filter/isolator (assuming they exist?) would be *far* less expensive > than the server class alpha you suggest below. I'm coming into this conversation late, so my apologies. If by "bridge" you mean a USB adapter that supports RS232 serial, then yes, there are some which work quite nicely with FreeBSD. Anything that uses a Prolific chip will work well (supports custom serial rates, and does not drop/lose characters). The uplcom(4) driver is for this chip, and the man page lists off some consumer models/devices available. I can refer you to numerous people who have spoken to me privately or publicly on lists, praising the Prolific stuff. I have no idea if this driver works on Alphas. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 25 19:00:33 2008 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64024106569C; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from raven.bwct.de (raven.bwct.de [85.159.14.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE778FC20; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:00:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de ([10.1.1.7]) by raven.bwct.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m8PJ0T6s047827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:00:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely7.cicely.de [10.1.1.9]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8PJ0O8n041992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:00:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8PJ0Op6060913; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:00:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m8PJ0NW9060912; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:00:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:00:22 +0200 From: Bernd Walter <ticso@cicely7.cicely.de> To: Dieter <freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com> Message-ID: <20080925190022.GB93308@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <20080925125417.GQ93308@cicely7.cicely.de> <200809251701.RAA18993@sopwith.solgatos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200809251701.RAA18993@sopwith.solgatos.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.063, BAYES_00=-2.599 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on spamd.cicely.de Cc: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/127248: System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt320-vt510) connected to the server via com to usb adapter and 2-usb hubs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha <freebsd-alpha.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:00:33 -0000 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:01:51AM +0100, Dieter wrote: > [ -usb@ added to existing thread ] > > > > > This is because USB is absolutely crap for this purpose. > > > > RS232 terminals, especially with long cables, can produce several kind > > > > of spikes and ground loops, which USB is very very sensitive about. > > > > > > Many things about USB are crap (thanks, inthell), but if a USB to RS-232 > > > bridge cannot handle normal spikes and ground loops, I'd blame the > > > bridge, not USB itself. If the problem is spikes and ground loops > > > there is probably some RS-232 filter/isolator available to clean them > > > up. There could be a bug in the bridge which needs a software workaround. > > > In any case the system shouldn't crash. > > > > > > Are there specific make&model USB to RS-232 bridges that people > > > have had good luck with? > > > > USB can't handle spikes and ground loops. > > As said: use isolated devices, so you don't have the loops and spikes. > > You can blame the device for not being isolated, but you expect every > > device to provide expensive workaround for a design failure. > > USB is designed for cheap stuff - that's all about it. > > Surely a "good" USB to RS-232 bridge (if one exists?) or a RS-232 > filter/isolator (assuming they exist?) would be *far* less expensive > than the server class alpha you suggest below. It depend on how much RS232 you need and how many slots the OP has free. Nevertheless a "good" RS232 bridge if needed in number are not cheap either - ntoe that you can get affordable PCI extenders as well. > And IIRC it is just speculation that the original poster's problem is > caused by spikes or ground loops. No it is not speculation - I know USB very well and the device disconnected, which is very typical for electrical problems caused by ground loops. > > Yes - the system shouldn't crash, but don't expect it ever being fixed > > for FreeBSD-alpha. > > There is a 6.4 coming out, yes? It is unlikely that the problem is alpha specific. > If an alpha crashes, other archs will likely crash. This is a design problem with our USB stack, which is likely to be handled by the HPS stack which is going into current. The problems are way too old that there is a real chance that anyone will ever fix it in the old stack and the new one will not be backported to 6.x, since the changes for a stable branch are too invasive. > > > > My advise is to use a completely other technology to connect the terminals. > > > > A galvanic isolated USB device might work, but there are lot of PCI and > > > > Ethernet devices on the market which are more solid by design than USB. > > > > > > The problem with PCI is the limited number of slots. :-( > > > > Well - not realy with server class alphas... > > In my world, a "server" means 1-4 full height 19" racks with quite large > price tags and power&cooling requirements. Some people think a server > is a pee-cee. So I'm not sure what you mean by "server class alphas". Server doesn't mean rack, but beside from a few OEM boards and small 19" system all alphas have lots of free slots available. > I have what I would call a "workstation" class alpha, which cost an > obscene amount to get 6 PCI slots instead of 4, and at times they are > all full. So I can't use up a slot just to get a couple more RS-232 > ports. How many PCI slots does a server class alpha have? Well the AS4100 I have already has 8 slots which is not that uncommon for alpha servers. The real big ones can even have a few hundred slots. > RS-232 doesn't require PCI levels of bandwidth. Something like a It doesn't need high bandwidth, but it doesn't hurt either. For terminals it needs the ability to accept ground loops. For other purposes it needs low latency - USB has a latency of 1-2ms, which is a few thousand times higher than ISA. You can get better results with any kind of cheap ISA RS232 card. > USB to RS-232 bridge could be a good solution, if I knew which > make&model of bridge worked well with *BSD. Poking around on the web > I can't even find what chip they have inside. Really forget about USB to RS232. It is not the chip which is the problem it is the principal. You really need galvanic isolation, because USB can't handle ground loops, which no cheap device has. You can use any kind of chip with propper isolation, but then it is likely more expensive than any other kind of solution. > Do these bridges actually work properly, or do they have gotchas > like the USB to SATA/PATA bridges? The prolific bridges work well enough if you don't have a ground loop and FTDI chips are better IMHO. > > > Ethernet could be a good solution for some applications, if you > > > can get the software to deal with it. NFS is crap, *real* distributed > > > file systems handled devices transparently. (thanks, Sun) > > > > This is a different topic. > > For RS232 Ethernet is quite reasonable. > > For some applications yes. But some apps want to open /dev/ttyXX > and do ioctls on it. How does one use such an app on Free/Net/OpenBSD > with the RS-232 device on some Ethernet connected RS-232 port? It depend on the way you use it. In most cases you just use raw connection and configure it out of band. In some cases you use telnet encapsulation to allow break handling. But you are free to use other protocoll. Anyway: this doesn't apply to terminal use, since you don't need to change the communication parameters after initial setup. > > > Does anyone make firewire to RS-232 bridges? > > > > Or stay with the old DEC devices - they are rock solid even after all > > those years. > > It is not obvious what "old DEC devices" you are referring to. Reread the original post - it was about replacing a solid DEC ethernet terminal concentrator with a bunch of crappy USB-RS232 adapters. -- B.Walter <bernd@bwct.de> http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 26 16:10:51 2008 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA27106568E for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from parsely.rain.com (parsely.rain.com [199.26.172.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EE88FC2C for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:10:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (uucp@localhost) by parsely.rain.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with UUCP id m8QGAn464999 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id QAA12966; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:05:52 GMT Message-Id: <200809261605.QAA12966@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:00:09 GMT." <200809231000.m8NA092P013281@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:05:52 +0100 From: Dieter <freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com> Subject: Re: alpha/127248: System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt320-vt510) connected to the server via com to usb adapter and 2-usb hubs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha <freebsd-alpha.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha>, <mailto:freebsd-alpha-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:10:51 -0000 > I didn't find out how to copy this to email and just retyped it here by > hands, so there maybe some mistakes, even though i was very careful. > How to do that btw? For "normal" output, look in /var/log. However, I assume the debugger doesn't write to disk. And neither does firmware. One way is to connect the RS-232 console to a port on a second system, and tip/cu from the second system into the problematic system. You can then capture output using script(1). IIRC, some "smart" terminals allow copy and paste. I use the RS-232 port on an X terminal and use X11 copy and paste. If all else fails you could take a photo of the screen.