From owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 27 00:54:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411D916A418; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:54:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (cl-162.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:4830:1200:a1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE6613C455; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0R0s8ZS056089; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:54:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.1/8.13.8/Submit) id m0R0s8ju056088; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:54:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:54:08 -0600 From: Brooks Davis To: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080127005408.GE52539@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <200801260814.m0Q8EDeT053102@freefall.freebsd.org> <479B5D72.2010706@FreeBSD.org> <20080126175535.GA52539@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <20080126223558.J69773@fledge.watson.org> <479BC6CE.1080601@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <479BC6CE.1080601@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (lor.one-eyed-alien.net [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:54:08 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org, Robert Watson , bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conf/119995: [patch] New rc.d script ddb to load ddb scripts from /etc/ddb.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Bug reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:54:10 -0000 --c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 03:48:30PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > Robert Watson wrote: > >=20 > > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Brooks Davis wrote: > >=20 > >> IMO we want this in the base and ideally this script or the crash dump > >> script would grow the option to mail text dumps somewhere > >> automatically (off by default of course). This should be as tightly > >> integrated as we can reasonably make it. > >=20 > > I think I'd like to see something along these lines in the base, as > > offering tools to help autonatically configure DDB scripting isn't all > > that different from offering tools to configure firewalls, run user > > scripts, etc. >=20 > I see a fairly significant difference, namely that the other things > you mentioned are things that we expect all of our users to be able to > and/or want to do. No one wants to debug crash dumps. :) I think you've misunderstood what we're suggesting. What all our users want is to never run into any bugs and failing that to have a fix magically appear the moment they do hit one. :) I think this another step toward more reliably providing developers the information they need to discover and fix bugs that users hit. I'd venture to say that 80-90% of panic reports we receive are useless because we don't have what we need to do anything with them and this is a step toward resolving that. I'd really like to see 8.0 ship with textdumps on by default. -- Brooks --c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHm9YvXY6L6fI4GtQRAhE1AKCLw4WVAHcXEkIGsZ2Gbim/glj9lwCgzq1C HC2LuHW332Ulum9MHDzUiKU= =+mjp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt--