From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 11 16:26:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F39016A417 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:26:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282E913C43E for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:26:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: from dhcp-1-248.packetdesign.com (firewall-gw-dirty-n.packetdesign.com [65.87.20.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m1BGQmTI003321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:26:48 -0800 Message-ID: <47B07748.3090808@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:26:48 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeremy C. Reed" References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=5ba052c3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8AA1EAD5B1AFEF1CE2839E02" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tool to organize all CVS commit logs to make one ChangeLog? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:26:49 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8AA1EAD5B1AFEF1CE2839E02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > Anyone know of a tool that will look at CVS commit messages to make a=20 > single change list? >=20 > It would need to list the file names changed (and maybe revision number= s)=20 > and include the username of the committer, the date (and maybe time). >=20 > It would need to consolidate identical commit messages (from different = > files committed at same time). >=20 > And put them in order by date. In FreeBSD ports: devel/cvs2cl Bruce. --------------enig8AA1EAD5B1AFEF1CE2839E02 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHsHdI2MoxcVugUsMRAin1AJwLNcCSAnlwvHYf+C1VZkNlW+8XPACgkwRH 8ZzEHuaW9c8jb9s/AimuL7g= =LCRY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8AA1EAD5B1AFEF1CE2839E02-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 13 01:43:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EB816A419 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D50813C478 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so4469084fgg.35 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:43:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/p5y263f5wszR4WgwzET5FWoQX2OAurJQ5/u+H9HFx0=; b=vAhe3bipP+kaGRrTMUAnq01LwkP4bgo8QvlpucdpsEliBbfYyDl3VkfQumQ0ASPzpkMX+vcSK5CTcMwdPoJBsfnGace9cK5whW7VLOefCqyGFotx7GG6d2LhP4zVIrHsKC0jouULsggIKgrDlKlgbb8N2ETk12essUnq1r/OZMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jJSOhE3o9qzK16WPGQnILTwAwRGMT7QzgGwx1BL0PHJi6ReQG/0BZduc9j7vhABrBdk5JJfOK4I4r1placUqnag7DhverknlLZ24ybrwAwnFp1YqTlCssSqLusW96sBorxdc+5oSYYKFJjtx3s5AQ2NVKyGfcbb3CA+c7I1QLRc= Received: by 10.86.95.20 with SMTP id s20mr1878106fgb.6.1202865335611; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.1? ( [84.0.109.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm1131334fga.9.2008.02.12.17.15.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:15:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47B24480.9020001@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:14:40 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: bits wrap when leftshifting non-constant amounts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:43:43 -0000 My gcc 3.4.6 behaves weirdly when left shifting, and I couldn't find any info on this. the program: #include int main( void ) { unsigned n; for( n = 13; n < 100; n += 7 ) { printf( "0x42f1u << %u = %u\n", n, 0x42f1u << n ); } return 0; } the output: 0x42f1u << 13 = 140386304 0x42f1u << 20 = 789577728 0x42f1u << 27 = 2281701376 0x42f1u << 34 = 68548 0x42f1u << 41 = 8774144 0x42f1u << 48 = 1123090432 0x42f1u << 55 = 2021654528 0x42f1u << 62 = 1073741824 0x42f1u << 69 = 548384 0x42f1u << 76 = 70193152 0x42f1u << 83 = 394788864 0x42f1u << 90 = 3288334336 0x42f1u << 97 = 34274 When I left shift a constant amount, it works. That is: ( 1u << 34u ) == 0 But using a variable: unsigned lsh = 34; ( 1u << lsh ) == 4 !!! It seems that lsh is first moduloed with the width of int. What the hell? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 13 10:39:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1ED16A421 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D91313C4D5 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:39:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1DAdcxv093070; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:39:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m1DAdcj0093069; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:39:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:39:38 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200802131039.m1DAdcj0093069@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, deeptech71@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <47B24480.9020001@gmail.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:39:43 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: bits wrap when leftshifting non-constant amounts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, deeptech71@gmail.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:39:45 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > My gcc 3.4.6 behaves weirdly when left shifting, and I couldn't > find any info on this. > [...] > It seems that lsh is first moduloed with the width of int. What the hell? C99 standard, section 6.5.7 "Bitwise shift operators", page 84: "If the value of the right operand is negative or is greater than or equal to the width of the promoted left operand, the behaviour is undefined." Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "C is quirky, flawed, and an enormous success." -- Dennis M. Ritchie. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 13 10:46:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0213116A420 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:46:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF2C13C442 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:46:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54397208C; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:46:39 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: -0.3/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on tim.des.no Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02E12083; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:46:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B8165844A3; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:46:38 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <47B24480.9020001@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:46:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <47B24480.9020001@gmail.com> (deeptech's message of "Wed\, 13 Feb 2008 02\:14\:40 +0100") Message-ID: <86abm56smp.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bits wrap when leftshifting non-constant amounts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:46:45 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com writes: > My gcc 3.4.6 behaves weirdly when left shifting, and I couldn't find > any info on this. [...] It is very clear in ISO/IEC 9899:1999 =C2=A76.5.7: 3 The integer promotions are performed on each of the operands. The type of the result is that of the promoted left operand. It the value of the right operand is negative or is greater than or equal to the width of the promoted left operand, the behaviour is undefined. In other words, the result can be anything at all, and is not even required to be consistent from one evaluation to the next. In fact, gcc is free to wipe your hard drive, shoot your dog and burn down your house for all the standard cares; which I guess is a roundabout way of saying "don't do that". DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 13 23:51:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9979A16A421; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0A013C467; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A3F9E.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.63.158]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1DNpDRm018028; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:16 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1DNrELM072735; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:53:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1DNr39Q093231; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:53:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200802132353.m1DNr39Q093231@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" In-reply-to: References: <1ff813d0802080114w1996a19dq82566f58d356b746@mail.gmail.com> Comments: In-reply-to "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" message dated "Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:04:35 +0100." Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:53:03 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: william rockt , chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ Interactive, Are Video Games Good? A Non-Gamer's Perspective X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:19 -0000 "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" wrote: > I'm not a gamer today but I was a > moderate gamer during the late 80's and 90's. Aargh ! Please move subject from advocacy@freebsd.org to chat@freebsd.org Thanks. -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 14 18:30:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F017716A419 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CA813C457 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so286401fgg.35 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:30:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; b=xxoKuKbNQkeaEaxBY7hnS915NcFLKv8aUUiGySYhJPZDXLx34mzXtntw5z0DV0+8IjmALMmiV2dK/7MzcUy36FyuK2iCwZpZJ0SdyWgWC8p0j8OJo2o56kCMI0H+hjaAEZzB5FBta2nN1xykvid/edrlbM7qdz6Kkggi97LEzsk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iXDL+7IBcVfYJcdRUfpkMoVX35bxt/U7BVFfECAa1LxxKEb92vCCRw45weuo5TMk3QcwGJOK6HCrA5bFLNEbF8/k4b482NQZPD282FwT9ZXLmP6Rrsf+eCFkeAX2G6MnMbgXq9NxQNBtSW+1K3BiFLqPW0v8Hvth2OQPJVMB3XU= Received: by 10.86.89.4 with SMTP id m4mr1535776fgb.14.1203013831095; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:30:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.1? ( [84.0.223.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm3524993fge.3.2008.02.14.10.30.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:30:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47B48875.8060907@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:29:09 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:30:33 -0000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 14 18:38:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E3916A46D for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2503A13C461 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E78207F; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:38:32 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: -0.3/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on tim.des.no Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63611207E; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:38:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4809484488; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:38:32 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <47B48875.8060907@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:38:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <47B48875.8060907@gmail.com> (deeptech's message of "Thu\, 14 Feb 2008 19\:29\:09 +0100") Message-ID: <867ih7jsd3.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:38:39 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com writes: > I don't know, you tell me... DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 15 06:40:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0B316A41A for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBB713C45B for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so417317fgg.35 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:40:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GBvA1iPSjnTA88AOIULaXX79Z+CWbw1Tllax01FfnqA=; b=RrNIvSp2groTI7sy/Hrq6AZjqACHvz71L8PDIEeKjSUhW6p4cCTbkG+vTFN6hmkHrVrSWpdQaAR4EpLbXYYdoX/QXrZ1glPVdAy8ebwD5rXiuUJckZrfpzclwvxmhq490kl1YUfVTcfzIxtdchxf9LwPshbIjtWcFG1BLpHnFCo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bIRZJQZ0qfxg7oiK57OsdY77AEsC6ckO0rBJnuZTc39inEnULvcDVf9xs4/wCyL+X737kIr4clMTMImW1wASN87S3lyP+W+LLZDdhtnuHFVLJuMhAsuC7rxn1Sb6TEOQC5anqr2KfhrylTxqDzwdalb8YhoYnDsrtUcNEnOQZhI= Received: by 10.86.89.4 with SMTP id m4mr2177200fgb.14.1203057657085; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.1? ( [84.0.96.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm4105515fge.3.2008.02.14.22.40.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:40:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47B533BE.3000405@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:39:58 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:40:59 -0000 Well, Rock Ridge is a nonstandard extension, and I don't see why it is needed. Also, Windows sees these files as 0 length empties. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 15 08:39:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5746516A418 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:39:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0480B13C44B for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66FA2085; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:39:07 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: -0.3/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on tim.des.no Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA830207E; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:39:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9DD7E844B0; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:39:07 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <47B533BE.3000405@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:39:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <47B533BE.3000405@gmail.com> (deeptech's message of "Fri\, 15 Feb 2008 07\:39\:58 +0100") Message-ID: <86y79m1ums.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:39:11 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com writes: > Well, Rock Ridge is a nonstandard extension, and I don't see why it is > needed. Also, Windows sees these files as 0 length empties. RockRidge has been in widespread use for over ten years. It's not our fault Microsoft decided to develop and use their own incompatible standard. And I don't see why you would want to access a FreeBSD ISO image on Windows anyway... DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 15 09:11:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4744C16A419 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:11:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AAC13C45B for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1F9Bc7K010234; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:11:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m1F9BcL6010233; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:11:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:11:38 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200802150911.m1F9BcL6010233@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, des@des.no, deeptech71@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <86y79m1ums.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:11:41 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, des@des.no, deeptech71@gmail.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:11:44 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > deeptech71@gmail.com writes: > > Well, Rock Ridge is a nonstandard extension, and I don't see why it is > > needed. Also, Windows sees these files as 0 length empties. > > RockRidge has been in widespread use for over ten years. It's not our > fault Microsoft decided to develop and use their own incompatible > standard. And I don't see why you would want to access a FreeBSD ISO > image on Windows anyway... Well, someone might want to look at the "doc" CD on Windows (e.g if he's offline and needs to loo at the docs before installing FreeBSD). However: - The symlinks aren't required to read the docs. They're only for convenience. - All the ISO images -- including the doc one -- are built with MS-Joliet extensions (in addition to RockRidge), so long file names etc. work fine on Windows, too. So there is no problem. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Python is executable pseudocode. Perl is executable line noise. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 15 13:50:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE0716A417 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546D913C469 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so523266fgg.35 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:50:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=25RUZwlu/lVWXh+71hl1dBYjuvpf0pFV42RM4Vnd67o=; b=aahTVI80B89V7xCjIunVGa9sipkLaWXiwXC20GgJQrxUGIIMKRTGCUK5VQzeDtn4jsRE4vN8i9hlSjqYZqkBge39VhkEqvx+nqo9mxG56wrgossLeHvlI8QP0gJXFQ3Y0wVtxepGBqmW5bc6aSVf+Rs9OFYNekcBfpucZsNsK7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=h9KQ4F6ycXLHCpRaWOTMhAlWAo4gF+TFgtnNVHUfekYdp2QT6VuvYr3vXVBtW/bchn6vWM75HtnSO6oG2S/NZwhOV6jBxPg77BEu6V5avoQv1w2w85LmYM12ZcjCRQ6CM7lA5kLKsvhlFaLupkbWUcu7Y31K9CzK26f4Hqxo2B4= Received: by 10.86.54.3 with SMTP id c3mr2521978fga.18.1203083438422; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.1? ( [78.92.56.71]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm4580170fge.3.2008.02.15.05.50.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:50:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47B59883.6040403@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:49:55 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:50:39 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > Well, someone might want to look at the "doc" CD on Windows > (e.g if he's offline and needs to loo at the docs before > installing FreeBSD). Or maybe someone might want to make a FreeBSD-7.0-RC2 DVD, and a FreeBSD installation is too far away... > However: > > - The symlinks aren't required to read the docs. They're > only for convenience. Symlinks also aren't required for anything else: hard links work fine, and are more compatible. > - All the ISO images -- including the doc one -- are built > with MS-Joliet extensions (in addition to RockRidge), so > long file names etc. work fine on Windows, too. Actually, long file names etc. work fine on Windows without the MS-Joliet extensions and with ISO level 2 or 3, but not on DOS though. If Windows-readability is a higher priority than DOS-readability (definitely!), then lose the symlinks. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 15 16:15:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A41116A418 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B545613C458 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1FGFiZt028669; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:15:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m1FGFhuI028668; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:15:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:15:43 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200802151615.m1FGFhuI028668@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, deeptech71@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <47B59883.6040403@gmail.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:15:44 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, deeptech71@gmail.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:15:46 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Well, someone might want to look at the "doc" CD on Windows > > (e.g if he's offline and needs to loo at the docs before > > installing FreeBSD). > > Or maybe someone might want to make a FreeBSD-7.0-RC2 DVD, > and a FreeBSD installation is too far away... The symlinks don't prevent him from doing that. > > However: > > > > - The symlinks aren't required to read the docs. They're > > only for convenience. > > Symlinks also aren't required for anything else: hard links work fine, > and are more compatible. You can't make hardlinks to directories. > > - All the ISO images -- including the doc one -- are built > > with MS-Joliet extensions (in addition to RockRidge), so > > long file names etc. work fine on Windows, too. > > Actually, long file names etc. work fine on Windows without the > MS-Joliet extensions and with ISO level 2 or 3 Yeah, up to 31 characters, which isn't really long, and you still have a bunch of other restrictions, e.g. only upper- case letters, digits and underscore are allowed, no leading dots, there's a limit to the directory depth, and so on. So you still need MS-Joliet extensions. > If Windows-readability is a higher priority than DOS-readability > (definitely!), then lose the symlinks. The symlinks don't hurt Windows-readability at all. There's nothing that needs to be fixed. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "File names are infinite in length, where infinity is set to 255 characters." -- Peter Collinson, "The Unix File System" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 15 18:58:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AB316A417 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A08013C45B for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so597111fgg.35 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:58:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zMyBwLjc2Qee8BRlzIafDIN7wztvhevR1kc5Vx0wxUk=; b=lfvbppw3y3YgjD46eG8UyicR1WFoRoV2gwmH07l07Ui2TOXxiEuekpPANXb5NkIDyaId3GgdlA5XBhieNGYu6MFMgl1z3kBPHF2bs9QXyYfYACtvsadoBOD2YMoc52muLzj9MPDBZKDIIr6JOqdXjqQIGzlEoJVM5J6F1h1b2To= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=E5qHGGtyth01x0jkZm3i37tfftbgFSh+rk0YMJDQHd/9Ac29XUDz3HQpG1o8cy9dHjBZVgHOg1YfY28EhapBlMctVYiYN1NcZrGXrJahli1Gs01rLLkk+oEiIrJU8u0iXz23Nj/AiJNLCzssKlQkC5ix80S/I+IUv2VRe6YzvKU= Received: by 10.86.100.7 with SMTP id x7mr2813876fgb.41.1203101886103; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.1? ( [78.92.58.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm5941603fgb.0.2008.02.15.10.58.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:58:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47B5E090.6060702@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:57:20 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:58:07 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > The symlinks don't hurt Windows-readability at all. > There's nothing that needs to be fixed. Show me that what sucks is actually my Windows system only instead of all Windows systems: try opening 7.0-RC2-CD2\packages\\ on your Windows system and tell me what happens. Does the file not get recognized as a zero-length empty file? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 16 08:28:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039F616A419 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A3F13C467 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1G8Cnps050436 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:12:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <47B69B01.2070907@highperformance.net> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:12:49 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4pre (X11/20080205) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Subject: Snagged by the Good Guys X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:28:52 -0000 I just got snagged in the spam net. My non-spam mail server which has been running for many years made the MAPS DUL tonight. I no longer find the "Your Anti-Spam Solution Method Won't Work Because..." post at slashdot funny. Well actually I do, but now there is a bit more of the old melancholy resignation mixed in. I suppose I'll have to beg my ISP for delegation of my IP space now. It's just frustrating to have to constantly be reconfiguring my systems, not just to dodge the villains, but to dodge the goodguys too. I'm in the crossfire. Imagine if you were into RC airplanes and on every third flight someone took control of your plane and smashed it into the ground. On some days it might be a hoodlum. On other days it might be the FAA. Doesn't matter much to you. All the fun's gone out of your hobby. Thanks for making the internet suck! (Said to no one in particular.) Regards, Jason