From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 16 00:01:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B319A106564A for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1418C8FC18 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id m2G01bs16084; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:01:37 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <20080316110137.55330@caamora.com.au> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:01:37 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: "Jason C. Wells" References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110154737.GA20976@soaustin.net><47864933.6010203@gmail.com> <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <20080111115804.T2095@klein.bigpond.com> <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net>; from Jason C. Wells on Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 10:28:54AM -0700 Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:01:50 -0000 On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 10:28:54AM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > jonathan michaels wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:43:21PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > >> spellberg_robert wrote: > >> > >>> when your content is sound, > >>> the presentation will take care of itself. > >> /me hands Rob a paragraph and some upper case letters. > >> > >> I'm sorry. I found it far too difficult to read your content. The poor > >> presentation required more effort than I was willing to invest. > > > > well, perhaps, now you might know how i feel about trying to may my way throught the way you > > all write and present you posts. i struggel to read the majority of > > posts .. not everybody read writes presents american english in teh way > > "some" americans read write and present thier version of english. > > You may struggle with the way we all write and present our posts. I'm > sure that will improve with time and learning. But if you struggle with i am sorry that i am so retarded that i cannot write as good as you think is deserving of participating in thses fora > the most basic of the rules of grammar and language, the solution is not > to ignore the grammar and language. i am not ignoring 'the grammar and language', not consciously at any rate. one of the things that i was trying to say is that i have significant brain damage and this is as good as it gets for me, no amount of further train is going to make it any better. so please accept my sincere apologies for being too stupid to participate with your kind in your world. i am sorry, abjectly so in fact that i wasted your time and teh many hours that it took me to write my original responce .. i had thought that i had made it better than my usual effort. this is not teh time or place to bore you with the reasons for my skills and or as defined by my dr's and society difficulties. if it helps i prefer my name 'skills'. i have read and trimmed the body of teh post, and do not think that i can add anyting to the level of understanding, i hope that my responce is at least adequate ... thank you for reminding me of my place in teh food chain i appreciate your help and kindness with kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 16 02:48:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442C4106566C for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:48:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349878FC15 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:48:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAHon3EeC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACnMA Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2008 19:48:08 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF378) with ESMTP id 2008031519480717-669 ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:48:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:48:07 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: jonathan michaels In-Reply-To: <20080316110137.55330@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110154737.GA20976@soaustin.net><47864933.6010203@gmail.com> <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <20080111115804.T2095@klein.bigpond.com> <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> <20080316110137.55330@caamora.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/15/2008 19:48:07, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/15/2008 19:48:08, Serialize complete at 03/15/2008 19:48:08 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "j. ron heeblack" , "Jason C. Wells" , fbsd_chat Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:48:09 -0000 On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, jonathan michaels wrote: > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 10:28:54AM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: >> jonathan michaels wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:43:21PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: >>>> spellberg_robert wrote: >>>> > > so please accept my sincere apologies for being too stupid to > participate with your kind in your world. > you know what? EXACTLY. remember that SNL character that told everbody at the office to MOVE!!! when they had computer problems?? > -- > ================================================================ > powered by .. > QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system > ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 16 02:58:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4833106566B for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC8B8FC25 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAA4q3EeC1Apk/2dsb2JhbAChY4VH Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2008 19:58:53 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF378) with ESMTP id 2008031519585063-674 ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:58:50 -0700 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/15/2008 19:58:50, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/15/2008 19:58:52, Serialize complete at 03/15/2008 19:58:52 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: 26 000 years X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:58:53 -0000 On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > I forgot to mention that the Alignment happens only > once every 26 000 years. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6wI3Pbolbw&feature=related > > You see.. now I HAD to capitalize "Alignment" for that freek > reason.. 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Wells" , fbsd_chat Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:28:16 -0000 On 2008-03-15 13:23, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Jason C. Wells wrote: >> jonathan michaels wrote: >>> we all use the 'lingua franca' at different levels of usability for all >>> and different levels of competance for all and various differnt levels >>> of the 'human' condition. my bodies uniqunesses help me see thes >>> 'different levels' i write the way that i write because this is how >>> best that i can see (as in visual acuity, as well as frontal cortex >>> issues both learning) and understanding. >> >> Wow! That sure sounds fancy. > > INDEED! IMHO there should be a study on WPM no caps versus the carpal > tunnel inducing "correct punctuation." Fancy or not, I know from our personal email exchanges back in 2002 that Jonathan is a reasonable fellow, and a gentle man if I can recognize one. Hi Jonathan, I am very glad to see that you are _still_ using FreeBSD :-) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 16 16:18:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD7A1065670 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0CD8FC1C for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9787F2084; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:18:21 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: "Max Laier" References: <60623.192.168.4.151.1205342080.squirrel@router.laiers.local> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:18:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <60623.192.168.4.151.1205342080.squirrel@router.laiers.local> (Max Laier's message of "Wed\, 12 Mar 2008 18\:14\:40 +0100 \(CET\)") Message-ID: <86ve3mlk1e.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Office chair recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:18:23 -0000 "Max Laier" writes: > In a shop I briefly sat on a HAG capisco[1] - felt surprisingly > comfortable. Does anyone have long-term experience with it? H=C3=85G, actually, and the Capisco 8106 is the best chair I've ever had (f= or about two years now). It has very good lumbar support, and its weird shape is not just for show - it allows a far wider variety of sitting positions than any other office chair I've seen, including backward (with your chest against the backrest). DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 17 02:22:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0F1106564A for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062368FC18 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2H2Mh6G028578; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:22:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2d-9yYCihHHs; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:22:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2H2MY82028572; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:22:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <47DDD5E5.4020001@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:22:29 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20080213 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <20080111115804.T2095@klein.bigpond.com> <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> <20080316032755.GB74896@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <20080316032755.GB74896@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:22:48 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2008-03-15 13:23, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: >> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Jason C. Wells wrote: >>> jonathan michaels wrote: >>>> we all use the 'lingua franca' at different levels of usability for all >>>> and different levels of competance for all and various differnt levels >>>> of the 'human' condition. my bodies uniqunesses help me see thes >>>> 'different levels' i write the way that i write because this is how >>>> best that i can see (as in visual acuity, as well as frontal cortex >>>> issues both learning) and understanding. >>> Wow! That sure sounds fancy. >> INDEED! IMHO there should be a study on WPM no caps versus the carpal >> tunnel inducing "correct punctuation." > > Fancy or not, I know from our personal email exchanges back in 2002 that > Jonathan is a reasonable fellow, and a gentle man if I can recognize one. > And I'm not sure I have a big problem with robert_spellberg's presentation either; I read it as poetry and assumed he was channe^H^H^H^H^Hoping with an e.e. cummings fascination. If not, I guess I need to rethink what I'm seeing .... Kevin Kinsey -- Evil is that which one believes of others. It is a sin to believe evil of others, but it is seldom a mistake. -- H. L. Mencken From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 17 13:09:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BF6106564A for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289CC8FC2E for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so2562907ele.12 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:09:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=M389Gur1PvK91PKOEHnv+KILu0EXaRrC3XZBctmTzsA=; b=rHeUMYkHIy5Xne3r4B3+m4WUmeVwTwyNVK1iSJm0LrP3B6saH0f5UF8yd9rM+GWy8FggzeD4lgulP5Ee/Cnji7j3XPutCFwHBntZ7G/BsVuP6MuvYkdCSOfsY5GB4Jov3PnCHA4WeG+skXT7lqWzXPK3JddqVgm5FNRJYU9VYPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jnFJp0aABvImXB2LOxwXtKgKP8Q4Lf9YuU9rMsXrxgMS1aXBjVctzZXhRPU+sRxlg98kS46mf6Y864m5A34iVtrlSdxQGhdjj7spJHlgdEeToODEo0MWRY3zUL2mdNFIul6177AY0N16rEBNFhkfbgNzK40NtV7kBK1W9tRLPQg= Received: by 10.140.133.16 with SMTP id g16mr61080rvd.231.1205757769972; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.68.21 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2fd864e0803170542p3c0ce2cscd5279c57e0cfc25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:42:49 -0500 From: Astrodog To: fbsd_chat In-Reply-To: <47DDD5E5.4020001@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <20080111115804.T2095@klein.bigpond.com> <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> <20080316032755.GB74896@kobe.laptop> <47DDD5E5.4020001@daleco.biz> Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:09:48 -0000 Dear god, this is sad. To all of you attacking the rules of capitalization, spelling and grammar... These rules exist to aid in allowing others to understand what you're writing, much as style(9) exists to help make code more understandable. For example: int func() { if (blah == 2) { otherfunc(blah2); return 0; } else { return 1; } } is MUCH easier to understand than: int func() {if(blah==2){otherfunc(blah2);return 0;}else{return 1;}} Just as "I really enjoy drinking heavily then driving like Mario Andretti, Officer Smith" is much more understandable, and can be read faster than, "ireallyenjoydrinkingheavilythendrivinglikemarioandrettiofficersmith" These rules do not exist for your, personal, outgoing communication's benefit. They exist to assist people reading what others have written. I know of very few people who follow these rules when writing notes for their own use. While you can elect to ignore these rules in communication with others, doing so makes understanding things you write more difficult. These kinds of mistakes also make ambiguous sentences more likely to occur, as the building blocks of the sentence are not recognizable by others. Needless to say, fluency with these rules will not be consistent across a large group of people. However, the fact that some people do not know the rules as well as others, is no excuse for not working to make your material easier to understand. Soccer players cannot pick up the ball and run with it... even if a majority of people are not aware of the rule. If they elect to do so, they will encounter problems. I do not begrudge someone learning English for not understanding these rules or someone with a disability that prevents their use, and mistakes happen, though I certainly frown upon someone reveling in doing it incorrectly. In as far as Jonathan's point of, "not everybody read writes presents american english in teh way 'some' americans read write and present thier version of english."... The various rules of American English are not something that individuals in the population are able to alter for personal reasons. The fact that someone is unable, for whatever reason, to follow the rules of the language doesn't change the fact that they are using the language incorrectly, nor does that incorrect usage necessarily reflect negatively upon the thoughts that person is attempting to express. --- Harrison From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 17 16:44:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DE7106564A for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:44:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697B68FC1D for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:44:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id m2HGhPq24774; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:43:25 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <20080318034324.37638@caamora.com.au> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:43:24 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: Astrodog References: <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <20080111115804.T2095@klein.bigpond.com> <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> <20080316032755.GB74896@kobe.laptop> <47DDD5E5.4020001@daleco.biz> <2fd864e0803170542p3c0ce2cscd5279c57e0cfc25@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <2fd864e0803170542p3c0ce2cscd5279c57e0cfc25@mail.gmail.com>; from Astrodog on Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:42:49AM -0500 Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:44:08 -0000 On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:42:49AM -0500, Astrodog wrote: > Dear god, this is sad. > > To all of you attacking the rules of capitalization, spelling and grammar... > > These rules exist to aid in allowing others to understand what you're > writing, much as style(9) exists to help make code more > understandable. > For example: > > int func() { > if (blah == 2) { > otherfunc(blah2); > return 0; > } > else { > return 1; > } > } > > is MUCH easier to understand than: > > int func() {if(blah==2){otherfunc(blah2);return 0;}else{return 1;}} > > Just as "I really enjoy drinking heavily then driving like Mario > Andretti, Officer Smith" is much more understandable, and can be read > faster than, "ireallyenjoydrinkingheavilythendrivinglikemarioandrettiofficersmith" > > These rules do not exist for your, personal, outgoing communication's > benefit. They exist to assist people reading what others have written. > I know of very few people who follow these rules when writing notes > for their own use. While you can elect to ignore these rules in > communication with others, doing so makes understanding things you > write more difficult. These kinds of mistakes also make ambiguous > sentences more likely to occur, as the building blocks of the sentence > are not recognizable by others. > > Needless to say, fluency with these rules will not be consistent > across a large group of people. However, the fact that some people do > not know the rules as well as others, is no excuse for not working to > make your material easier to understand. Soccer players cannot pick up > the ball and run with it... even if a majority of people are not aware > of the rule. If they elect to do so, they will encounter problems. I > do not begrudge someone learning English for not understanding these > rules or someone with a disability that prevents their use, and > mistakes happen, though I certainly frown upon someone reveling in > doing it incorrectly. > > In as far as Jonathan's point of, "not everybody read writes presents > american english in teh way 'some' americans read write and present > thier version of english."... The various rules of American English > are not something that individuals in the population are able to alter > for personal reasons. The fact that someone is unable, for whatever > reason, to follow the rules of the language doesn't change the fact > that they are using the language incorrectly, nor does that incorrect > usage necessarily reflect negatively upon the thoughts that person is > attempting to express. > > --- Harrison a best as i can work out whats been written is mostly what i tried t say thank you fro translating the 'jonathanesque' into something it is, in some senbalance, that others may be able to understand. i true wish i could communicaet like a normal person but no amount of wishing is going to fix the skill set that i (and those like me) operate with on a daily basis. if i may be permited to add a little postscript, i think it was said earlier perhaps we should spend more time worrying about the content and less time about the presetations esp if its consistantly wrong, lazy people are just that lazy they are so lazy that they do not consistantly make the same "mistakes" whereas somebody like me makes teh same "mistakes" consistantly not because i like to be consistant in my lasziness rather this is how my data processing system makes the same errors, consistantly, sees teh same cobination of characters and triggers the same kind of responces .. ten years and point out where i do not make teh same "spelling mistakes" fro me it is not a mistake this is how my brain interpretes sorry, resolves the patches of light and dark into words sentances paragraphs and eventually into context and then finally thought that i hopefully have been albe to lucidly express. i am not trying to pelad for myself, its too late fro me, thats the awy that it is i'm not being defeatist its time we all need to accept teh 'status quo' .. i'm tryint to explain the process as best as i can see it so that others like me won't have to, hopefully, won't need to go throught the same nightmare that i did. it is easy to say i didn't know, but its harder to justify treating people like jcw did, as per example, i'm not picling on ou jason, your post and responce is teh best example of this process that i have seen since a few nolonger present in public freebsd community made sport of broken people and those fro whom english is not a second or third or even a fourth language. thankfully, its no longer a bad as it used to be for teh "different". take care all and keep up teh good work most kind regards and sincere best wishes jonathan ps, thanks gk, much appreciated and yes i'm still using, freebsd, amonst other things -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 17 18:14:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B3A1065671 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1548B8FC1B for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAANS3keC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACoPg Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 17 Mar 2008 11:14:30 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF378) with ESMTP id 2008031711142925-784 ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:14:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Astrodog In-Reply-To: <2fd864e0803170542p3c0ce2cscd5279c57e0cfc25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <20080111115804.T2095@klein.bigpond.com> <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> <20080316032755.GB74896@kobe.laptop> <47DDD5E5.4020001@daleco.biz> <2fd864e0803170542p3c0ce2cscd5279c57e0cfc25@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/17/2008 11:14:29, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/17/2008 11:14:30, Serialize complete at 03/17/2008 11:14:30 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "j. ron heeblack" , fbsd_chat Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:14:31 -0000 On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Astrodog wrote: > Just as "I really enjoy drinking heavily then driving like Mario > Andretti, Officer Smith" is much more understandable, and can be read > faster than, "ireallyenjoydrinkingheavilythendrivinglikemarioandrettiofficersmith" i really enjoy drinking heavily then driving like mario andretti, officer smith. GET YER FACTS STRAIGHT!!! {:D > These rules do not exist for your, personal, outgoing communication's > benefit. They exist to assist people reading what others have written. > I know of very few people who follow these rules when writing notes > for their own use. fyi, i know a NUMBER of people who write like this because it is faster to type. the space bar is very easy to hit i am not suggesting abolishing that. i don't think sentence beginning capitalization is significantly facilitating in ease of reading. capitalizing can be a distraction sometimes the rules are subtle. i find myself spending more time wondering if things are proper nouns than the *@(#& content. ppl who COMPLAIN about lack of capitalization waste more time on that than the subject at hand. >While you can elect to ignore these rules in > communication with others, doing so makes understanding things you > write more difficult. These kinds of mistakes also make ambiguous > sentences more likely to occur, as the building blocks of the sentence > are not recognizable by others. i capitalize things like freeBSD and NaK ATPase as such. i don't like to waste bending for the shift key if i am having what my mom has called distertations if i get on a serious train of thought. > Needless to say, fluency with these rules will not be consistent > across a large group of people. However, the fact that some people do > not know the rules as well as others, is no excuse for not working to > make your material easier to understand. sentence beginning capitalization is REDUNDANT as there is such a thing as a period followed by TWO spaces. i, unlike the guy who started this thread, seemingly, do not support excessive ambiguuous misspellings, but agree in those who take issue and ostracize some with draconian fervor in lieu of having a constructive converstaion. > > --- Harrison > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 17 18:33:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFA8106567C for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:33:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1388FC28 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:33:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEALNW3keC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACoPg Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 17 Mar 2008 11:33:19 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF378) with ESMTP id 2008031711331770-788 ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:33:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: jonathan michaels In-Reply-To: <20080318034324.37638@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: References: <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <20080111115804.T2095@klein.bigpond.com> <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> <20080316032755.GB74896@kobe.laptop> <47DDD5E5.4020001@daleco.biz> <2fd864e0803170542p3c0ce2cscd5279c57e0cfc25@mail.gmail.com> <20080318034324.37638@caamora.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/17/2008 11:33:17, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/17/2008 11:33:18, Serialize complete at 03/17/2008 11:33:18 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "j. ron heeblack" , Astrodog , fbsd_chat Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:33:21 -0000 On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, jonathan michaels wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:42:49AM -0500, Astrodog wrote: >> >> int func() { >> if (blah == 2) { >> otherfunc(blah2); >> return 0; >> } >> else { >> return 1; >> } >> } >> >> is MUCH easier to understand than: >> >> int func() {if(blah==2){otherfunc(blah2);return 0;}else{return 1;}} INCORRECT ANALOGY >> Just as "I really enjoy drinking heavily then driving like Mario >> Andretti, Officer Smith" is much more understandable, and can be read >> faster than, "ireallyenjoydrinkingheavilythendrivinglikemarioandrettiofficersmith" EXAGGERATION >> >> These rules do not exist for your, personal, outgoing communication's >> benefit. They exist to assist people reading what others have written. >> I know of very few people who follow these rules when writing notes >> for their own use. While you can elect to ignore these rules in >> communication with others, doing so makes understanding things you >> write more difficult. These kinds of mistakes also make ambiguous >> sentences more likely to occur, as the building blocks of the sentence >> are not recognizable by others. >> >> Needless to say, fluency with these rules will not be consistent >> across a large group of people. However, the fact that some people do >> not know the rules as well as others, is no excuse for not working to >> make your material easier to understand. Soccer players cannot pick up >> the ball and run with it... even if a majority of people are not aware >> of the rule. If they elect to do so, they will encounter problems. I >> do not begrudge someone learning English for not understanding these >> rules or someone with a disability that prevents their use, and >> mistakes happen, though I certainly frown upon someone reveling in >> doing it incorrectly. >> >> In as far as Jonathan's point of, "not everybody read writes presents >> american english in teh way 'some' americans read write and present >> thier version of english."... The various rules of American English >> are not something that individuals in the population are able to alter >> for personal reasons. The fact that someone is unable, for whatever >> reason, to follow the rules of the language doesn't change the fact >> that they are using the language incorrectly, nor does that incorrect >> usage necessarily reflect negatively upon the thoughts that person is >> attempting to express. >> >> --- Harrison > > a best as i can work out whats been written is mostly what i tried t > say > > thank you fro translating the 'jonathanesque' into something it is, in some > senbalance, that others may be able to understand. i true wish i could > communicaet like a normal person but no amount of wishing is going to > fix the skill set that i (and those like me) operate with on a daily > basis. > > if i may be permited to add a little postscript, i think it was said > earlier perhaps we should spend more time worrying about the content > and less time about the presetations esp if its consistantly wrong, > > lazy people are just that lazy they are so lazy that they do not > consistantly make the same "mistakes" whereas somebody like me makes > teh same "mistakes" consistantly not because i like to be consistant > in my lasziness rather this is how my data processing system makes the > same errors, consistantly, sees teh same cobination of characters and > triggers the same kind of responces .. > TIME FOR ALLCAPS. OH NO, SOMETHING SEEMS TO BE WRONG WITH MY CAPSLOCK. A LONG TIME AGO WHEN ON WINDOWS SYSTEMS USING RLOGIN AND TELNET I WAS TOLD THAT SSH SECURE SHELL WINDOWS APPLICATION COULD GREATLY ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEMS I WAS HAVING WITH MY VI EDITOR. AT TIMES, SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH KEYSTROKE THROUGHPUT AND I MIGHT BE TYPING FAR FAR AHEAD OF THE INPUT BUFFER. I AM SURE WE HAVE ALL HAD THAT EXPERIENCE. WE JUST KEEP TYPING HITTING RETURN IN AGILE FAMILIARITY WITH THE COMMANDS. WHEN COMPOSING COMPLEX THOUGHTS IN A VI EDITOR WITH BUFFERING PROBLEMS ERRORS CAN HAPPEN IN REAL TIME. IT CAN BE IMPERATIVE TO CONTINUE, BUT BECAUSE KEYSTROKES ARE NOT ECHOED IN REAL TIME, IT BECOMES EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT TO CORRECT MISTAKES WHILE AT THE SAME TIME IT IS EXCEEDINGLY IMPORTANT TO MOVE ON WITH URGENT ACTIVITIES AND MANY OF THE TYPOS REMAIN BECAUSE OF THE EXTREME DIFFICULTY OF PROPERLY POSITIONING THE CURSOR WITHOUT REAL TIME FEEDBACK. > it is easy to say i didn't know, but its harder to justify treating > people like jcw did, as per example, i'm not picling on ou jason, your > post and responce is teh best example of this process that i have seen > since a few nolonger present in public freebsd community made sport of > broken people and those fro whom english is not a second or third or > even a fourth language. > > thankfully, its no longer a bad as it used to be for teh "different". > > take care all and keep up teh good work > > most kind regards and sincere best wishes > > jonathan > > ps, thanks gk, much appreciated and yes i'm still using, freebsd, amonst > other things > > -- > ================================================================ > powered by .. > QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system > ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 18 00:49:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4624106564A for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7608FC13 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:49:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id m2I0nRd26611; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:49:27 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <20080318114926.43830@caamora.com.au> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:49:27 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: KAYVEN RIESE References: <20080111115804.T2095@klein.bigpond.com> <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> <20080316032755.GB74896@kobe.laptop> <47DDD5E5.4020001@daleco.biz> <2fd864e0803170542p3c0ce2cscd5279c57e0cfc25@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from KAYVEN RIESE on Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:14:29AM -0700 Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Cc: "j. ron heeblack" , Astrodog , fbsd_chat Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:49:44 -0000 On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:14:29AM -0700, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Astrodog wrote: > > > Just as "I really enjoy drinking heavily then driving like Mario > > Andretti, Officer Smith" is much more understandable, and can be read > > faster than, "ireallyenjoydrinkingheavilythendrivinglikemarioandrettiofficersmith" > > i really enjoy drinking heavily then driving like mario andretti, > officer smith. > > GET YER FACTS STRAIGHT!!! {:D > > > These rules do not exist for your, personal, outgoing communication's > > benefit. They exist to assist people reading what others have written. > > I know of very few people who follow these rules when writing notes > > for their own use. > > fyi, i know a NUMBER of people who write like this because it is > faster to type. the space bar is very easy to hit i am not > suggesting abolishing that. i don't think sentence beginning > capitalization is significantly facilitating in ease of > reading. capitalizing can be a distraction sometimes > the rules are subtle. i find myself spending more time > wondering if things are proper nouns than the *@(#& content. > ppl who COMPLAIN about lack of capitalization waste more > time on that than the subject at hand. > > >While you can elect to ignore these rules in > > communication with others, doing so makes understanding things you > > write more difficult. These kinds of mistakes also make ambiguous > > sentences more likely to occur, as the building blocks of the sentence > > are not recognizable by others. > > i capitalize things like freeBSD and NaK ATPase as such. i don't > like to waste bending for the shift key if i am having what my > mom has called distertations if i get on a serious train of thought. > > > Needless to say, fluency with these rules will not be consistent > > across a large group of people. However, the fact that some people do > > not know the rules as well as others, is no excuse for not working to > > make your material easier to understand. > > sentence beginning capitalization is REDUNDANT as there is such > a thing as a period followed by TWO spaces. i, unlike the guy who started > this thread, seemingly, do not support excessive ambiguuous misspellings, please let it be know that i do not and neither have i ever supported careless/incorrect spelling. my posts are a constructed with a brain that lives with significant damage which causes significant dsylexia for which there is no unix based spelling checker that can cope with teh type "misspellings" that are so generated. my coreneas are incorrectly formed in that tehy curve inwards as opposed to teh normal outward curve this cannot be correctde by the new technology type soft contact lenses and these days as nearly all contact lenses makers make (universally) the soft plastic lenses that cannot support the double curve required to 1/fit my corneas, 2/ correct teh astigmatism also because of other issues my eyes are not suitable for contact lenses. one of teh side effects of my eyes being as tehy are is that on a normal screen using normal line and character spacing i see four images with my left eye and 3 or 5 images all this is going on simaltaniously and concurrently with the other eye. my brain is working overtime sorting this mess out, fortunately fro me i've lived with this all of my life so my brain has worked out a 'workabel' processing system that 'copes' most of teh time. to allievate most of ths visual confusion i need to tripple line space and space teh characters some 4'ish character widths. screen this make a standard 80 character width line to be totally readable, then comes teh process of understanding this visually windowing context based cut, stitch and paste processing that my brain takes for granted .. and i wonder why reading ant typing is so laboriously tiring .. it is so much hard work then comes teh aspergers .. this leaves me with a dictionary like 'emotional' context for 'language', also if we were talking face to face i cannot read "body language" after all of this comes teh effects of damaged neurological circuits that make typing, walking eating and most other motor (fine, especially) based actions a bit of a lottery especially at teh end of teh hrt cycle whicj has improved since i asked teh dr's to change teh injection duration from 3 weeks down to two weeks . evey 14 days the district nurse arrives to stick a 55 mm 0.5mm inside bore needle into, pick a large muscle, i get all 55 mm and then comes the sesame seed oil based anabolic steroids based cocktail that now takes 20 to 30 minutes to inject, any shorter than that would possibly kill the person and in my case nearly did when one nurse couldn't understand teh need fr a 20+ minute injection cycle and did teh lot in 45 seconds. party political fully paid up add .. "JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS OFF ANY KIND" unless prescribed and delivered by a fully trained doctor and then get at least 3 opinions from three geographically diverse regions, its you body, its your life. this has been my lifes experience this is part of teh reasons behind why i write the way that i write, some of these i might beable to control to some extent, some of these but largely these items and several more, too personal for a public forum such as this are essentilly, effectively uncontrolable and as such unfixable from my side of teh keyboard .. sorry there is one solution, that is a brain transplant .. but then teh question arises would i be teh same person post transplant as i was pre transplant or even would i still be a person at all ?? umm i think that i will wait a bit longer for teh medical technology to get a bet less frankenstienish than it is these days perhap a few hundred(s) more years. > but agree in those who take issue and ostracize some with draconian > fervor in lieu of having a constructive converstaion. i hope that my converstaion has been of some constructive value, if not just showin those that don't know or understand how andor why disabled people in general and this one in particular are not a participatory as most other 'content machines'. it is not for lack of will or even teh fear of failure. personal failure i mean or even the fear of public humiliation at teh hands of teh spelling/grammer/context aparatchic's (vocla spelling to make point clearer). laregly we dont contribute because it is just so much hard work be it teh physical efforet of actually typeing, be it teh mental exhaustion associated with teh effore going into composition, contextual orientation and or follow-ability, and a whole truckload more factual reasons that cause a serious drain on teh person involved, consuming and auter'ing the content i'd give my eye teeth to be asome bleeding hear martyr but i am not .. i'm just one person struggling to make sence of a world that is getting crazier and crazier by teh minute . one persons cyber-bullying is anothers grist for teh mill, anothers days work, anothers light entertainment, antoerhs reason'd'etre, anothers excues to withdrwa from communications with the outside world .. we all hvea out ideosyncracies, pet hates pet loves, pet cats an'll i hope that i've been able to shed some ligth on a day in teh life of an 'internet junkies' disabled body, its hopes dreams and asperations. from what i can tell especially from teh type, volume of teh words used by ya'll they are largely teh same as mine noth withstanding some localised issues detailed by my bodies particulars needs. we all write differently, we all make (micro)mistakes it is all teh fabric of teh society that we all live in, the warp, teh weft the weave the strech teh give the durability .. we are all cut from teh same cloth .. perhaps it is time we stoped looking at teh labels and started to "feel the quality" as tehy say in conclusion our similarites unite us far more than our diference that divide us ... > > --- Harrison take care and be at peace .. my most sincere appreciations and thanks to you all kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 18 03:15:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AF21065671 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E76F8FC18 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: (qmail 32188 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 03:15:38 -0000 Received: from mxperim6.sea5.speakeasy.net ([69.17.117.71]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Mar 2008 03:15:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxperim6.sea5.speakeasy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5B96F999 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:15:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mxperim6.sea5.speakeasy.net Received: from mxperim6.sea5.speakeasy.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mxperim6.sea5.speakeasy.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o5lw3DWCyLvM for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (dsl081-163-042.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.42]) by mxperim6.sea5.speakeasy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47DF33D8.1020709@highperformance.net> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:15:36 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4pre (X11/20080205) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: fbsd_chat References: <20080110170010.GA16567@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <20080111115804.T2095@klein.bigpond.com> <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> <20080316032755.GB74896@kobe.laptop> <47DDD5E5.4020001@daleco.biz> <2fd864e0803170542p3c0ce2cscd5279c57e0cfc25@mail.gmail.com> <20080318034324.37638@caamora.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20080318034324.37638@caamora.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:15:39 -0000 jonathan michaels wrote: > it is easy to say i didn't know, but its harder to justify treating > people like jcw did, as per example, i'm not picling on ou jason, your > post and responce is teh best example of this process that i have seen > since a few nolonger present in public freebsd community made sport of > broken people and those fro whom english is not a second or third or > even a fourth language. I never made sport of any person. You made yourself into a victim of a conversation you weren't even part of to start with. My participation was squarely on the topic of content and presentation. This turned out to be the most horrendous conversation I have ever been part of in my internet travels. I'm flabbergasted. Regards, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 20 12:47:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BB71065672 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230218FC27 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:47:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id m2KCl5u10385; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:47:05 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <20080320234705.56642@caamora.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:47:05 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: "Jason C. Wells" References: <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> <20080316032755.GB74896@kobe.laptop> <47DDD5E5.4020001@daleco.biz> <2fd864e0803170542p3c0ce2cscd5279c57e0cfc25@mail.gmail.com> <20080318034324.37638@caamora.com.au> <47DF33D8.1020709@highperformance.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <47DF33D8.1020709@highperformance.net>; from Jason C. Wells on Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0700 Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:47:29 -0000 On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > jonathan michaels wrote: > > > it is easy to say i didn't know, but its harder to justify treating > > people like jcw did, as per example, i'm not picling on ou jason, your > > post and responce is teh best example of this process that i have seen > > since a few nolonger present in public freebsd community made sport of > > broken people and those fro whom english is not a second or third or > > even a fourth language. > > I never made sport of any person. You made yourself into a victim of a > conversation you weren't even part of to start with. My participation > was squarely on the topic of content and presentation. > > This turned out to be the most horrendous conversation I have ever been > part of in my internet travels. I'm flabbergasted. thank you fro your prompt and infromative reply to my offlist explanation, i appreciate your concern and interest in resolving this issue. i appreciate your concern regarding these sorts of missunderstanding, as an ongoing concern for freebsd as a whole, to reiterate, i am not a victim, i chose to share some of my concerns as regards how i see people being treated in general. sadly my own communications skills are not up to teh tasks required. for that failing i apologise. sadly there is nothing much that i can do about that short of teh grate technological leap forward that is constantly being promised by medical science. so for that i plead your indulgance --- we all do what we can as best as we can, that is how we all move forward, grow in increase in functionality, value and worth, forst to our selfs and teh t teh community as a whole -- as i see these things. perhaps one day people such as i and yourslef might be-able to communicate, as human beings of equal value and or worth, witouth, the current impediments that plague such disparately stacked (personal) value systems. sorry i took so long to respond, i've had a busy schedule with dr's appointments, quarterly reviews and such like, they are all going on holidays and decided to make sure that i was "still alive" well thats how life gose some times. so, be well, take care and think kindly off those of us who don't meet societal standards, personal standards and or whatever such devices are used to gauge value/worth or even suitability --- we all have many ways of expressing these things and not always is teh intended message received or for that matter sent because of teh above and previously mentioned disperateness, differences and or percieved strangenesses on both sides of teh fence. be well, take care and may (your) god's peace dwell with you as mine has with me .. all teh days of my life, helping and guiding. most kind regards with my most sincere appreciations. jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 20 15:49:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4731065673 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:49:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DC78FC16 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:49:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAIkk4keC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACqbg Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 20 Mar 2008 08:49:52 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF378) with ESMTP id 2008032008495204-1060 ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:49:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE In-Reply-To: <20080320234705.56642@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: References: <47DAF203.40106@emailrob.com> <47DB7009.1020606@highperformance.net> <20080315212432.45787@caamora.com.au> <47DC0756.4050304@highperformance.net> <20080316032755.GB74896@kobe.laptop> <47DDD5E5.4020001@daleco.biz> <2fd864e0803170542p3c0ce2cscd5279c57e0cfc25@mail.gmail.com> <20080318034324.37638@caamora.com.au> <47DF33D8.1020709@highperformance.net> <20080320234705.56642@caamora.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/20/2008 08:49:52, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 03/20/2008 08:49:52, Serialize complete at 03/20/2008 08:49:52 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "j. ron heeblack" , fbsd_chat Subject: Re: on content versus presentation [ was: Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:49:53 -0000 what a trip. bravo, jon michaels On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, jonathan michaels wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: >> jonathan michaels wrote: >> >>> it is easy to say i didn't know, but its harder to justify treating >>> people like jcw did, as per example, i'm not picling on ou jason, your >>> post and responce is teh best example of this process that i have seen >>> since a few nolonger present in public freebsd community made sport of >>> broken people and those fro whom english is not a second or third or >>> even a fourth language. >> >> I never made sport of any person. You made yourself into a victim of a >> conversation you weren't even part of to start with. My participation >> was squarely on the topic of content and presentation. >> >> This turned out to be the most horrendous conversation I have ever been >> part of in my internet travels. I'm flabbergasted. > > thank you fro your prompt and infromative reply to my offlist > explanation, i appreciate your concern and interest in resolving this > issue. > > i appreciate your concern regarding these sorts of missunderstanding, > as an ongoing concern for freebsd as a whole, to reiterate, i am not a > victim, i chose to share some of my concerns as regards how i see > people being treated in general. > > sadly my own communications skills are not up to teh tasks required. > for that failing i apologise. sadly there is nothing much that i can do > about that short of teh grate technological leap forward that is > constantly being promised by medical science. so for that i plead your > indulgance --- we all do what we can as best as we can, that is how we > all move forward, grow in increase in functionality, value and worth, > forst to our selfs and teh t teh community as a whole -- as i see these > things. > > perhaps one day people such as i and yourslef might be-able to > communicate, as human beings of equal value and or worth, witouth, the > current impediments that plague such disparately stacked (personal) > value systems. > > sorry i took so long to respond, i've had a busy schedule with dr's > appointments, quarterly reviews and such like, they are all going on > holidays and decided to make sure that i was "still alive" well > thats how life gose some times. > > so, be well, take care and think kindly off those of us who don't meet > societal standards, personal standards and or whatever such devices are > used to gauge value/worth or even suitability --- we all have many ways > of expressing these things and not always is teh intended message > received or for that matter sent because of teh above and previously > mentioned disperateness, differences and or percieved strangenesses on > both sides of teh fence. > > be well, take care and may (your) god's peace dwell with you as mine has > with me .. all teh days of my life, helping and guiding. > > most kind regards with my most sincere appreciations. > > jonathan > > -- > ================================================================ > powered by .. > QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system > ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 20 17:28:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5F11065670 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:28:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43738FC21 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:28:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC7A5089A for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:28:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 86VL-Q7rOTD0 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (ismtp.afilias.com [216.217.55.254]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 82B5F50840 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20E30068-4ED8-428A-AFD6-6576AE6304A1@langille.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Dan Langille Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:27:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Subject: FreshPorts - ship the server X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:28:27 -0000 So far, we're up to $60 in the ship-the-server fund raising: http://news.freshports.org/2008/03/14/freshports-server-moving-to- austin/ Thanks -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ dan@langille.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 20 20:50:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFC31065675; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from postfix2-g20.free.fr (postfix2-g20.free.fr [212.27.60.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EC38FC19; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr (smtp5-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.35]) by postfix2-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7175F248F9DC; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:31:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0EF3F85D1; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:20:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (tataz.chchile.org [82.233.239.98]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0CE3F64C8; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:51:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from obiwan.tataz.chchile.org (unknown [192.168.1.25]) by tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3790F9BF12; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obiwan.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1FA93405D; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:50:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:50:12 +0100 From: Jeremie Le Hen To: Unga Message-ID: <20080320195012.GA66530@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> References: <945136.92642.qm@web57010.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <945136.92642.qm@web57010.mail.re3.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:50:37 -0000 Hi, On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 07:41:30AM -0700, Unga wrote: > Is the following book still relevant to FreeBSD 7.X > and upcoming FreeBSD 8.X? Is there a 2nd edition > coming soon? > > The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating > System > By Marshall Kirk McKusick, George V. Neville-Neil > Published Aug 2, 2004 by Addison Wesley Professional. > 1st. Edition > ISBN-10: 0-201-70245-2 > http://www.informit.com/title/0201702452 FWIW there has been rumours about the next edition of this book covering a recenter version. That's all I know :). Regards, -- Jeremie Le Hen < jeremie at le-hen dot org >< ttz at chchile dot org >