From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 11 03:27:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CA51065671 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 03:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rs@midearth.co.uk) Received: from ns4.duzle.com (ns4.duzle.com [85.10.203.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A14D8FC13 for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 03:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rs@midearth.co.uk) Received: from secure.duzle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns3.duzle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C91428C0060; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:22:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 147.114.226.182 (SquirrelMail authenticated user rs@midearth.co.uk) by secure.duzle.com with HTTP; Wed, 7 May 2008 15:22:43 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <1284.147.114.226.182.1210170163.squirrel@secure.duzle.com> In-Reply-To: <200805071334.m47DYPVN058822@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <200805071334.m47DYPVN058822@lurza.secnetix.de> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:22:43 +0100 (BST) From: "Roopinder Singh" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, carloshpf@oi.com.br User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: Re: file system X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 03:27:14 -0000 On Wed, May 7, 2008 2:34 pm, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Usually, for multimedia files, fat32 works just fine. > it doesn't support ownership, permissions and a few other > things, but that doesn't matter much for multimedia files > on your private home machine. Ahh.. yes.. but the real question is what type of (ahem..) "multimedia" (ahem..) files you have, and whether you would want other family members to know about it :) Roopinder Singh rs@midearth.co.uk From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 11 06:50:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A75F106566B for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 06:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de) Received: from qsrv01sl.mx.bigpond.com (qsrv01sl.mx.bigpond.com [144.140.92.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18F68FC0C for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 06:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de) Received: from nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.181.217.52]) by nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20080511034639.XUN14822.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com>; Sun, 11 May 2008 03:46:39 +0000 Received: from klein.bigpond.com ([124.181.217.52]) by nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20080511034637.MQQD1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@klein.bigpond.com>; Sun, 11 May 2008 03:46:37 +0000 Received: from klein.bigpond.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4B3lWxa001776; Sun, 11 May 2008 13:47:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de) Received: from localhost (petros@localhost) by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m4B3lSvA001773; Sun, 11 May 2008 13:47:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de) X-Authentication-Warning: klein.bigpond.com: petros owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:47:28 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Ross X-X-Sender: petros@klein.bigpond.com To: Roopinder Singh In-Reply-To: <1284.147.114.226.182.1210170163.squirrel@secure.duzle.com> Message-ID: <20080511134245.L1352@klein.bigpond.com> References: <200805071334.m47DYPVN058822@lurza.secnetix.de> <1284.147.114.226.182.1210170163.squirrel@secure.duzle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150205.48266C1E.0032,ss=1,fgs=0 Cc: carloshpf@oi.com.br, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file system X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, carloshpf@oi.com.br List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 06:50:04 -0000 On Wed, 7 May 2008, Roopinder Singh wrote: > Ahh.. yes.. but the real question is what type of (ahem..) "multimedia" > (ahem..) files you have, and whether you would want other family members > to know about it :) The only real protection for a machine that is physically accessible by people you do not trust (?) is encryption. I am not aware of a (software) encryption transparent for the OS or portable between Windows and FreeBSD. The suggested fileserver may be better then. Regards Peter From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 11 13:17:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F308106566C for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 13:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2628FC1B for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 13:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk) Received: from [81.174.213.65] (helo=81-174-213-65.pth-as6.dial.plus.net) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1JvBBC-0005Em-41; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:01:30 +0100 From: Frank Mitchell To: staffslug@staffslug.org.uk, sc@mailman.lug.org.uk, freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:53:34 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805111353.34551.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> X-Plusnet-Relay: d63d77b19f6f7e9a044dc2b3872ffdac Cc: Subject: Primes With Complex Factors X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:17:39 -0000 When Gauss discovered Complex Numbers he found he could use them to factorise Primes. For instance 2 can be factorised as (1+i)*(1-i). Only half the Primes can be factorised like this, but there are Hypercomplex Numbers, like Quaternions, which can be used to carry the process further. Recently this topic seems to have attracted further research, and it seems to me this could be connected with Cryptography and its use of enormous Primes. Apparently the People's Republic of China are getting expert at cracking apparently uncrackable ciphers. Does anybody know more about this? Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 11 19:46:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA622106566C for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343568FC0C for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Received: from crab.unsane.co.uk (crab.unsane.co.uk [10.0.0.111]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4BJkYhM021612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 11 May 2008 20:46:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jhary@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <48274D1B.6060900@unsane.co.uk> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:46:35 +0100 From: Vince Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080507) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, carloshpf@oi.com.br References: <200805071334.m47DYPVN058822@lurza.secnetix.de> <1284.147.114.226.182.1210170163.squirrel@secure.duzle.com> <20080511134245.L1352@klein.bigpond.com> In-Reply-To: <20080511134245.L1352@klein.bigpond.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roopinder Singh Subject: Re: file system X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:46:38 -0000 Peter Ross wrote: > On Wed, 7 May 2008, Roopinder Singh wrote: > >> Ahh.. yes.. but the real question is what type of (ahem..) "multimedia" >> (ahem..) files you have, and whether you would want other family members >> to know about it :) > > The only real protection for a machine that is physically accessible by > people you do not trust (?) is encryption. > > I am not aware of a (software) encryption transparent for the OS or > portable between Windows and FreeBSD. > Truecrypt is a work in progress by the look of it. http://www.nabble.com/TrueCrypt-5.0-td15394497.html > The suggested fileserver may be better then. > > Regards > Peter > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 11:52:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A24E106566C for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0458FC0C for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DBqogh070460; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:52:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m4DBqnYh070459; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:52:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:52:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200805131152.m4DBqnYh070459@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rs@midearth.co.uk, carloshpf@oi.com.br In-Reply-To: <1284.147.114.226.182.1210170163.squirrel@secure.duzle.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 13 May 2008 13:52:51 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: file system X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rs@midearth.co.uk, carloshpf@oi.com.br List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:52:53 -0000 Roopinder Singh wrote: > On Wed, May 7, 2008 2:34 pm, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Usually, for multimedia files, fat32 works just fine. > > it doesn't support ownership, permissions and a few other > > things, but that doesn't matter much for multimedia files > > on your private home machine. > > Ahh.. yes.. but the real question is what type of (ahem..) "multimedia" > (ahem..) files you have, and whether you would want other family members > to know about it :) I suggested a possible solution for that in the second half of the paragraph, which you chose not to quote. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "I have stopped reading Stephen King novels. Now I just read C code instead." -- Richard A. O'Keefe From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 21:02:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A9D106564A for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 21:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472818FC0C for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 21:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk) Received: from [81.174.208.132] (helo=81-174-208-132.pth-as1.dial.plus.net) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Jw1dg-0005ho-2w; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:02:24 +0100 From: Frank Mitchell To: staffslug@staffslug.org.uk, sc@mailman.lug.org.uk, freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:00:31 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) References: <200805111353.34551.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200805111353.34551.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805132200.32035.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Plusnet-Relay: fec4ca7f02370aedb4bd78daa7c2c498 Cc: Subject: Complex Factors Of Primes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:02:36 -0000 I'm surprised at you fellas: The whole point is that "i" or "j" is the Square Root of Minus One. Thus minus i squared equals Plus One. So: (2+i)*(2-i) = 4+1 = 5 (3+2i)*(3-2i) = 9+4 =13 Quaternions have 3 different square roots of -1, called i, j, k, and they too have Complex Conjugates like Complex Numbers. The Imaginary Components i, j, k then gave us the idea of Vectors. Divide two Vectors and you get a Quaternion. Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 22:23:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34E1106566C for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:23:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff@jeff.net) Received: from hera.charnocks.net (hera.charnocks.net [216.185.111.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4832B8FC2D for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:23:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff@jeff.net) Received: from charnocks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.charnocks.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DM1MV9013780; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:01:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff@jeff.net) From: "Jeff LaCoursiere" To: Frank Mitchell , staffslug@staffslug.org.uk, sc@mailman.lug.org.uk, freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:01:22 -0400 Message-Id: <20080513220045.M57326@jeff.net> In-Reply-To: <200805132200.32035.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> References: <200805111353.34551.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <200805132200.32035.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050228 X-OriginatingIP: 204.8.66.166 (jeff) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Complex Factors Of Primes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:23:55 -0000 I ate a Quaternion once. Tastes like chicken. j On Tue, 13 May 2008 22:00:31 +0100, Frank Mitchell wrote > I'm surprised at you fellas: > > The whole point is that "i" or "j" is the Square Root of Minus One. > Thus minus i squared equals Plus One. So: > > (2+i)*(2-i) = 4+1 = 5 > > (3+2i)*(3-2i) = 9+4 =13 > > Quaternions have 3 different square roots of -1, called i, j, k, and > they too have Complex Conjugates like Complex Numbers. The Imaginary > Components i, j, k then gave us the idea of Vectors. Divide two > Vectors and you get a Quaternion. > > Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell > > ------ FreeBSD UK Users' Group - Mailing List ------ > http://listserver.uk.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users > *** Handled by Will's new toy *** -- Jeff LaCoursiere JB Telenet, LLC 6501 Redhook Plaza, box 395 St Thomas, USVI 00802 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 11:28:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11985106566B for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcgibson@talktalk.net) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (smtp-out-3.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8958FC0C for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcgibson@talktalk.net) X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqwUAD6sKUhZ8vx3PGdsb2JhbAAIkX8BAQEBLZwY Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.2]) ([89.242.252.119]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 13 May 2008 23:01:19 +0100 Message-ID: <482A0FAE.6070400@talktalk.net> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:01:18 +0100 From: Roger Gibson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: South Cheshire GNU/Linux Users References: <200805111353.34551.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <200805132200.32035.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200805132200.32035.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: staffslug@staffslug.org.uk, freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SC.LUG] Complex Factors Of Primes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Roger Gibson List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:28:23 -0000 I seem to remember this was an active field in the 90's, and specifically to use quaternion based algebra to weed out weak primes in encryption techniques, but I've not kept up with it. I'm sure half an hour starting with Google will get closer to where we are at now. Roger. Frank Mitchell said the following on 13/05/2008 22:00: > I'm surprised at you fellas: > > The whole point is that "i" or "j" is the Square Root of Minus One. > Thus minus i squared equals Plus One. So: > > (2+i)*(2-i) = 4+1 = 5 > > (3+2i)*(3-2i) = 9+4 =13 > > Quaternions have 3 different square roots of -1, called i, j, k, and they too > have Complex Conjugates like Complex Numbers. The Imaginary Components i, j, k > then gave us the idea of Vectors. Divide two Vectors and you get a Quaternion. > > Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell > > _______________________________________________ > SC mailing list > SC@mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sc > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 15:47:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7B81065671; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4092C8FC15; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4GFlFFx045077; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:47:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m4GFlEZr045076; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:47:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:47:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200805161547.m4GFlEZr045076@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, gary.jennejohn@freenet.de In-Reply-To: <20080516170003.1734cb29@peedub.jennejohn.org> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-arch User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 16 May 2008 17:47:16 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: Feature requests for open-source graphics (OT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, gary.jennejohn@freenet.de List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:47:17 -0000 Gary Jennejohn wrote: > Even more OT. Maybe we should redirect this to -chat? I set Reply-To accordingly. > Sounds like the good ol' US of A is totally fubar in this regard. Here > in Germany every fly-by-night DSL provider offers a domain name and home > page hosting because _everybody else_ does too! It's hard to come by a > static IP though. It's not hard, it's just expensive, depending on your ISP. For example, M-net (Bavaria) charges EUR 14.90 (~ USD 22) per Month for a static IP. Right now they have a special 50% offer, so it's only EUR 7.45 per month if you sign up with them now. On the other hand, for most private stuff a dynamic IP with something like dyndns service should be sufficient, I think. That's what i do. I'm not running any public services on my home machine, though, but the dyndns name enables me to ssh into it from somewhere else. Personally I decided to rent a root server for EUR 50 (from Hetzner) which includes a /29 with six static IPs. It's shared with three friends, so each of us pays only EUR 12,50 which is cheaper than a static IP with M-net, and it has a lot more bandwidth than my DSL box at home. Of course I replaced the Linux installation on the root server with FreeBSD. ;-) Best regards Oliver PS: I'm not affiliated with any of the above companies, and I don't benefit from mentioning them. I'm just a satisfied customer. -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd We're sysadmins. To us, data is a protocol-overhead.