From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 25 09:49:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CD0106567D for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from haro@kgt.co.jp) Received: from mail02.kgt.co.jp (dmz02.kgt.co.jp [210.141.246.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D518FC1C for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from haro@kgt.co.jp) Received: from navgw.tt.kgt.co.jp (unknown [210.141.246.71]) by mail02.kgt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE263C38BE3 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:37:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (posh.tt.kgt.co.jp [192.168.15.51]) by navgw.tt.kgt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F9047714 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:37:20 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:37:20 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20080825.183720.133235769.haro@kgt.co.jp> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: haro@kgt.co.jp X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2 on Emacs 21.4 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 64bit Flash support for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:49:55 -0000 Hi all, I just read a ZDNet article, referencing a demo of 64bit version of Adobe Flash Player on FreeBSD. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=517 Is this coming as real?? Thanks, Haro =----------------------------------------------------------------------- _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| KGT Inc. /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku, Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 25 12:50:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2760F1065674 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from personrp@UPMC.EDU) Received: from 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu (1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu [128.147.18.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D227A8FC15 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:50:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from personrp@UPMC.EDU) Received: from 1upmc-msxbh2k.acct.upmchs.net ([128.147.18.181]) by 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:38:22 -0400 Received: from msxcasnsprd02.acct.upmchs.net ([128.147.16.187]) by 1upmc-msxbh2k.acct.upmchs.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:38:21 -0400 Received: from msxhubnsprd02.acct.upmchs.net (10.25.36.17) by msxcasnsprd02.acct.upmchs.net (128.147.16.187) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.278.0; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:38:21 -0400 Received: from msxmbxnsprd02.acct.upmchs.net ([10.25.32.162]) by msxhubnsprd02.acct.upmchs.net ([10.25.36.17]) with mapi; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:38:20 -0400 From: "Person, Roderick" To: "'haro@kgt.co.jp'" , "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:38:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: 64bit Flash support for FreeBSD? Thread-Index: AckGl/0dqg4xkUTQS6i1VOCNdWHrSgAF3FRA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080825.183720.133235769.haro@kgt.co.jp> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2008 12:38:21.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[75413160:01C906AF] Cc: Subject: RE: 64bit Flash support for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:50:26 -0000 There is nothing here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html Rod Person Sr. Programmer (412)454-2616 http://www.ccbh.com "The fact that my implementation is different from your implementation is t= otally irrelevant - it works therefore it cannot be wrong." - Tony Marston Software Engineer > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of haro@kgt.co.jp > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:37 AM > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: 64bit Flash support for FreeBSD? > > Hi all, > > I just read a ZDNet article, referencing a demo of 64bit > version of Adobe Flash Player on FreeBSD. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=3D517 > > Is this coming as real?? > > Thanks, > Haro > =3D------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda > -|- /_\ |_|_| KGT Inc. > /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku, Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 25 14:13:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20297106568D for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:13:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nawcom@nawcom.com) Received: from flpi185.prodigy.net (flpi185.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1488FC19 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nawcom@nawcom.com) Received: from fedex.nawcom.com (adsl-68-77-161-135.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net [68.77.161.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by flpi185.prodigy.net (8.13.8 smtpauth/dk/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7PEDhmJ016454 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:13:43 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [192.168.212.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fedex.nawcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A04E39809 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48B2BF8A.2070802@nawcom.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:19:54 -0400 From: nawcom User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20080825.183720.133235769.haro@kgt.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <20080825.183720.133235769.haro@kgt.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 64bit Flash support for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:13:44 -0000 Some references to it from inside the company: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/08/random_blog_post.html which gives the link to a flash developer for Sony: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/08/random_blog_post.html "I just watched Tinic from the Flash Player team demo two 64bit versions of Flash Player 10 here at FlashForward. One on Unbunu Linux and the other running on FreeBSD. Tinic also showed a 32bit version of the FreeBSD player. At this point however, there if no solid plan for release." It looks like if you find any news about the new 64 bit player, you'll find it on the blog site of the person who engineers flash for adobe, Tinic. http://www.kaourantin.net/ haro@kgt.co.jp wrote: > Hi all, > > I just read a ZDNet article, referencing a demo of 64bit version of > Adobe Flash Player on FreeBSD. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=517 > > Is this coming as real?? > > Thanks, > Haro > =----------------------------------------------------------------------- > _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda > -|- /_\ |_|_| KGT Inc. > /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku, Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 25 14:19:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1221065671 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nawcom@nawcom.com) Received: from flpi185.prodigy.net (flpi185.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446578FC1D for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nawcom@nawcom.com) Received: from fedex.nawcom.com (adsl-68-77-161-135.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net [68.77.161.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by flpi185.prodigy.net (8.13.8 smtpauth/dk/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7PEJGM8021565 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:19:19 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [192.168.212.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fedex.nawcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FF939809 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48B2C0D7.2050609@nawcom.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:25:27 -0400 From: nawcom User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20080825.183720.133235769.haro@kgt.co.jp> <48B2BF8A.2070802@nawcom.com> In-Reply-To: <48B2BF8A.2070802@nawcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 64bit Flash support for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:19:19 -0000 Hah! looks like that second link didn't copy over right :-P http://thebackbutton.com/blog/73/64-bit-linux-freebsd-flash-player-exists/ nawcom wrote: > Some references to it from inside the company: > http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/08/random_blog_post.html > > which gives the link to a flash developer for Sony: > http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/08/random_blog_post.html > "I just watched Tinic from the Flash Player team demo two 64bit > versions of Flash Player 10 here at FlashForward. One on Unbunu Linux > and the other running on FreeBSD. Tinic also showed a 32bit version of > the FreeBSD player. At this point however, there if no solid plan for > release." > > It looks like if you find any news about the new 64 bit player, you'll > find it on the blog site of the person who engineers flash for adobe, > Tinic. http://www.kaourantin.net/ > > haro@kgt.co.jp wrote: >> Hi all, >> I just read a ZDNet article, referencing a demo of 64bit version of >> Adobe Flash Player on FreeBSD. >> >> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=517 >> >> Is this coming as real?? >> >> Thanks, >> Haro >> =----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda >> -|- /_\ |_|_| KGT Inc. >> /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku, Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 26 17:52:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1A4106567F for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:52:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yatani@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f17.google.com (mail-gx0-f17.google.com [209.85.217.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45458FC13 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:52:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yatani@gmail.com) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so3508175gxk.19 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:51:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=+SEEPVjlGcUAw7JjyP/aIrjh6J0h5DZd/SCn2MQSF0U=; b=eFpa3q0Rfu5H3KzvHEbgR9clOMJZqBuuMXw8WzBfyIlDPkg1Q573jEQTJhjGbU9jK1 +wxGryVjCpx5nKOUTGZX2eJZtibyWjXJNNuK3yOYBLwG2E5z+RPTrGRWSqM6gokbMQhe b+fYpkzM9Fwew33mPl42gx9DQ63WZygAfRHqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=wjIs2QkbG1tYyAyFIHbXQg2iv1nqj343M6HvmvG7/RA5UodNqSkCFwnhnlLIzjAxiS RfhqN4QyOf3APVQp5uizsc9tHQiOyqGDpGCbRKW0JTG6/I+bUaDf5NhXChFcZGl/kvfr PYrhf6K6jVSdteR+z6a6U5k9ghRd8aOaPeeMY= Received: by 10.150.51.2 with SMTP id y2mr4587887yby.26.1219771231915; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.145.4 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7b9301e10808261020q7e2fffdep43ccfff71aa0485f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:20:31 -0400 From: "Koji Yatani" Sender: yatani@gmail.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 74ce90b4d0c79350 Subject: looking for volunteers for a study X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:52:01 -0000 Dear FreeBSD members, We are currently conducting a study to understand how developers communicate and collaborate in an Open Source Software (OSS) project. Now we are seeking volunteers for our interview. Any person who is actively working in an OSS project is eligible to our study (If you don't know if you are eligible, please contact me (Koji Yatani, koji@dgp.toronto.edu).) The interview will take 45 - 60 minutes and the volunteers will be given a $30 Amazon gift certificate. The interview will be done over the phone. We will anonymize the identity of the volunteers in the subsequent analysis and publication. If you are interested in the participation or have any question, please feel free to ask me (Koji Yatani, koji@dgp.toronto.edu). Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------- Koji Yatani (koji@dgp.toronto.edu) Ph.D. Candidate Dynamic Graphics Project Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/~koji/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 27 01:25:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891D3106566B; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8C08FC14; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:25:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7R1A2aB080398; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:10:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id nI6FDGXOYvNL; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:09:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7R19o1k080378; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:09:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <48B4A959.7050700@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:09:45 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080719 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Redd Vinylene References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87abezx5yr.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: I can't make world without the "games" group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:25:04 -0000 Redd Vinylene wrote: > > I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're saying here, but it's > certainly not related to what Mr. Exupery was saying. You can't sell > someone a new car full of obsolete parts, saying "now you have the > freedom to choose what parts _you_ want to keep", that's just > ridiculous. Next thing you know the person will die in a car crash. But FreeBSD might not be a car[1]. Maybe it's a piano. And a piano that can play just as beautifully, in tune, and even loudly (and yes, that was the pianoforte's strong point in 1709) as any modern piano, but also has the distinctive odor of Brahms' cathouse and a couple of dents on the fallboard where Beethoven dropped his ear-trumpet. I think Exupery would have understood the significant additional value of such an instrument. For those who don't appreciate such things, it an operating system in tune with its past, ready for work in the present and with hope for the future, if those who use it will support it. Kevin Kinsey -- If a guru falls in the forest with no one to hear him, was he really a guru at all? -- Strange de Jim, The Metasexuals [1] This analogy is dead by bludgeoning on the 'Net, but for reference's sake: http://www-personal.edfac.usyd.edu.au/staff/souters/Humour/bg+gm.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 27 09:42:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23411065675; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8778FC0C; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:42:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2A52091; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:25:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 42DAD8449A; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:25:33 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Kevin Kinsey References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87abezx5yr.fsf@kobe.laptop> <48B4A959.7050700@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:25:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <48B4A959.7050700@daleco.biz> (Kevin Kinsey's message of "Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:09:45 -0500") Message-ID: <86vdxm7qsy.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Redd Vinylene , Giorgos Keramidas , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: I can't make world without the "games" group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:42:24 -0000 Kevin Kinsey writes: > But FreeBSD might not be a car[1]. Maybe it's a piano. And a piano > that can play just as beautifully, in tune, and even loudly (and yes, > that was the pianoforte's strong point in 1709) as any modern piano, Quite the opposite, the pianoforte's forte was its ability to play piano. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 27 12:58:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB5B106566B; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B168FC13; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7RCwku9093090; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:58:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wE5KhB-+6BZi; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:58:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7RCwXNe093084; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:58:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <48B54F6E.10900@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:58:22 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080719 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87abezx5yr.fsf@kobe.laptop> <48B4A959.7050700@daleco.biz> <86vdxm7qsy.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86vdxm7qsy.fsf@ds4.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Redd Vinylene , Giorgos Keramidas , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: I can't make world without the "games" group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:50 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Kevin Kinsey writes: >> But FreeBSD might not be a car[1]. Maybe it's a piano. And a piano >> that can play just as beautifully, in tune, and even loudly (and yes, >> that was the pianoforte's strong point in 1709) as any modern piano, > > Quite the opposite, the pianoforte's forte was its ability to play > piano. > > DES Well, I suppose that it could play any dynamics at all. Clavs and harpsichords weren't so good at it, but, also, if you banged them as hard as some of the Romantics did, you'd have knocked them to bits. So, you're correct, in 1709, it was probably "piano" that was noticeable, but by 1860, maybe the other way'round? At any rate, thanks for an excellent contribution to the thread, and a wonderful example of the complexities of the English language (gotta love reading that one out "forte" seven times quickly) :-) Kevin Kinsey -- ... A booming voice says, Wrong, cretin!, and you notice that you have turned into a pile of dust. 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Thanks From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 27 15:37:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91540106564A; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:37:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5237A8FC2D; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:37:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A4A2086; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:37:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 37F9E844B0; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:37:05 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: "illoai\@gmail.com" References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87abezx5yr.fsf@kobe.laptop> <48B4A959.7050700@daleco.biz> <86vdxm7qsy.fsf@ds4.des.no> <48B54F6E.10900@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:37:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: (illoai@gmail.com's message of "Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:33:24 -0500") Message-ID: <86od3e5v1a.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Chat , Redd Vinylene , Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: I can't make world without the "games" group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:37:06 -0000 "illoai@gmail.com" writes: > I like the (unintentional, perhaps) pun with "strong point". > > http://www.wordreference.com/iten/forte > http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=3Dforte Thank you, Captain Obvious! DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 27 16:02:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7DD1065680 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08BB8FC1D for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so4003305rvf.43 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:02:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=m+gn98fkElFjJNFqBNF48B3q2ir1bgBatO4ku8feOos=; b=TbIXFUmqNCISgw5SijBSrdeBwz/Kbk07J7TRshx0bVvC0JW22iGrrC9aoVuMDXyN8C 9mEaDfamwPXva3DeTwnO3R/Z/5XdZnWN1N3o6k/CQTefj+rgzYj98rwRoqGblIEupUv9 noMW3X3+XNa1LgHy5V0bSCXMV1+Kfr71Yb7QE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=GS0IgVgn6abpXc+pr9D8/xNw73fi1EYJTkEtd9PLnIrg7vjFjYrPxrvT0aX4sdllMW trlEt9ToHUvhAe/63nTpdCA3C4s3WxQJfS+9sVVc/MiFXrPUqr0rwLrG5E6cQfESJs4l a0l5/LoioO7aW7hnbsckTpxY9fMPog5tSRkzI= Received: by 10.141.34.12 with SMTP id m12mr67748rvj.26.1219851204076; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.139.5 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:33:24 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Kevin Kinsey" In-Reply-To: <48B54F6E.10900@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87abezx5yr.fsf@kobe.laptop> <48B4A959.7050700@daleco.biz> <86vdxm7qsy.fsf@ds4.des.no> <48B54F6E.10900@daleco.biz> Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Redd Vinylene , Giorgos Keramidas , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: I can't make world without the "games" group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:02:20 -0000 2008/8/27 Kevin Kinsey : > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: >> >> Kevin Kinsey writes: >>> >>> But FreeBSD might not be a car[1]. Maybe it's a piano. And a piano >>> that can play just as beautifully, in tune, and even loudly (and yes, >>> that was the pianoforte's strong point in 1709) as any modern piano, >> >> Quite the opposite, the pianoforte's forte was its ability to play >> piano. >> >> DES > > Well, I suppose that it could play any dynamics at all. Clavs > and harpsichords weren't so good at it, but, also, if you banged > them as hard as some of the Romantics did, you'd have knocked them > to bits. > > So, you're correct, in 1709, it was probably "piano" that was > noticeable, but by 1860, maybe the other way'round? At any rate, thanks > for an excellent contribution to the thread, and a wonderful example > of the complexities of the English language (gotta love reading that > one out "forte" seven times quickly) :-) > I like the (unintentional, perhaps) pun with "strong point". http://www.wordreference.com/iten/forte http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=3Dforte --=20 --