From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 7 08:13:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B6C106566B for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ktullavik@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51C98FC1D for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:13:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ktullavik@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so427613eyi.7 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:13:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0W3ulpLudNVL5gdtD4uqXhozTQTeZqW43ryHErxC52g=; b=wReqvdazFAIlNcSUo7fk5H2IldKchHypt3/oP+h1Ojx4yQd5bF8cg8zCG5k6o4P3VY 1Qjx0kIhxO7os2mszOAt7WmMTvbAsV+f3N/nIjYRL9I1aLoHVqfKHuArPoxH7FJfCupu EFWUZKpTmtYazITeVpCKFVid3dZ4b81bflKzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=s6Fzc34fYY9K0oGQOlikWJ0OVTdrWd2P54A84wBf/HYX4Rkz8sz99KnGhCPEg+kG5G Ht567AP9JYjus55a22SlJe7OvbnLzUnLmPD1htJ3ylSDRgKo8ntqABW9HAkg+HUH73dK b41ulG2srOvQwfr/6UDv73NddvrLqpU7EnYqs= Received: by 10.210.48.14 with SMTP id v14mr16682213ebv.71.1220773245113; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.2? ( [84.49.128.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm2653008eyi.5.2008.09.07.00.40.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48C3853F.1010802@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:39:43 +0200 From: ktu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Great webcasts from Berkeley X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:13:46 -0000 Berkeley university is making publicly available webcasts from many of their courses. I found this course, CS 61C Machine Structures, to be incredibly good, and thought I'd share the link: http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details.php?seriesid=1906978500 If you are interested in C-programming, operating systems, assembly/ CPU, memory management etc, and are not already a guru, this is gold. (Maybe most people on this list are level 10 gurus, I don't know) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 7 08:40:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C04C1065672 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F848FC25 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1465204rvf.43 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.205.10 with SMTP id h10mr7974947rvq.54.1220775392969; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.162.20 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2a7894eb0809070116h29d5f9abu8269424e0a57934b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:16:32 -0700 From: "Murray Stokely" To: ktu In-Reply-To: <48C3853F.1010802@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48C3853F.1010802@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Great webcasts from Berkeley X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:40:46 -0000 On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:39 AM, ktu wrote: > Berkeley university is making publicly available webcasts from many of > their courses. > > I found this course, CS 61C Machine Structures, to be incredibly good, and > thought I'd share the link: > http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details.php?seriesid=1906978500 CS61C at Berkeley is indeed a really great class. David Patterson, past president of the ACM, is also a frequent instructor for this course. This was one of the best courses I took in my undergraduate education. Murray From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 7 23:09:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A831065670 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: from kaga.kitchenlab.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:55c::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E068FC15 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: from morimoto.kitchenlab.org ([IPv6:2001:5a8:4:72:21b:63ff:fecd:f07c]) (authenticated bits=0) by kaga.kitchenlab.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m87N9Q1r061359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <48C45F23.40508@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:09:23 -0700 From: "Bruce A. Mah" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murray Stokely References: <48C3853F.1010802@gmail.com> <2a7894eb0809070116h29d5f9abu8269424e0a57934b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2a7894eb0809070116h29d5f9abu8269424e0a57934b@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=5ba052c3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigCEE0AF16A831AEAD8B570EAC" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8184/Sun Sep 7 13:53:22 2008 on kaga.kitchenlab.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, ktu Subject: Re: Great webcasts from Berkeley X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:09:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigCEE0AF16A831AEAD8B570EAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:39 AM, ktu wrote: >> Berkeley university is making publicly available webcasts from many o= f >> their courses. >> >> I found this course, CS 61C Machine Structures, to be incredibly good,= and >> thought I'd share the link: >> http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details.php?seriesid=3D1906978500 >=20 > CS61C at Berkeley is indeed a really great class. David Patterson, > past president of the ACM, is also a frequent instructor for this > course. This was one of the best courses I took in my undergraduate > education. I took the equivalent of 61C when I was an undergrad at Berkeley (it was called 60B then, and people can probably figure out something about how old I am from that), and this was a darned good class, from which I learned a lot. I was lucky to take it from Patterson, but there are many other good teachers on the CS faculty. I actually know the instructor who taught 61C on the webcast...we were in grad school at the same time. I never saw him teach a course before, but he's a heck of a good guy. Another excellent CS class at Cal is 61A (used to be 60A when I took it), which is also available in the webcast series. Most CS and EECS majors took it as their first CS class, and it was a real eye-opener for those who were used to working only in "traditional" programming languages like C, etc. Watching the webcast is kind of a trip because I took it from the same professor in the same lecture hall. Go Bears! Bruce. --------------enigCEE0AF16A831AEAD8B570EAC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjEXyYACgkQ2MoxcVugUsNVMACg8vCY2isyhlgQj+fwv6gOzaLw LowAoJTyQJa6sbZMlQ6FtFwPaCaTMC4r =4Iq2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigCEE0AF16A831AEAD8B570EAC-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 8 00:14:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5B51065709; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A44F8FC2B; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from anne-o1dpaayth1.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17864; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:43:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200809072343.RAA17864@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:43:10 -0600 To: Kris Kennaway , Wojciech Puchar From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <48C1F44F.7030300@FreeBSD.org> References: <20080905023638.U53812@phantom.math.miami.edu> <48C0EB58.4060307@FreeBSD.org> <20080905140820.B8020@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <48C1F44F.7030300@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: jef moskot , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:14:24 -0000 At 09:09 PM 9/5/2008, Kris Kennaway wrote: >It's worth keeping an eye on, but not to the point of >paranoia. Think of how much bad publicity would be generated if >google was discovered to be secretly collecting data. You have to remember that Doubleclick has been surreptitiously collecting data on Internet users for many years. Why should we expect anything different from them just because they have merged with Google -- especially since Google itself harvests users' personal data from their Gmail users' e-mail? --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 8 01:45:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5E8106566B for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF648FC14 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m8819uvR026927; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@bunrab.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id m8819uq8026926; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:09:56 -0700 From: David Wolfskill To: Brett Glass Message-ID: <20080908010956.GT11991@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <20080905023638.U53812@phantom.math.miami.edu> <48C0EB58.4060307@FreeBSD.org> <20080905140820.B8020@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <48C1F44F.7030300@FreeBSD.org> <200809072343.RAA17864@lariat.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZcaUvQ23gCOmDTXi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200809072343.RAA17864@lariat.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:45:04 -0000 --ZcaUvQ23gCOmDTXi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 05:43:10PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > ... > You have to remember that Doubleclick has been surreptitiously=20 > collecting data on Internet users for many years.... Some more than others, I expect: g1-30(6.3-S)[4] host doubleclick.com doubleclick.com has address 127.0.0.1 g1-30(6.3-S)[5] host \*.doubleclick.com *.doubleclick.com has address 127.0.0.1 g1-30(6.3-S)[6]=20 (My internal resolvers have a file that lists domains where: * they are configured to be masters for the domains in question and * everything resolves to 127.0.0.1. It does clutter the Apache error log a bit, but otherwise tends to speed page loading, as long as one doesn't object too strongly to 404 messages in place of ads.) It's not elegant -- indeed, it's rather more like blunt force -- but it is something I find useful and having been worth the effort (so far). I expect that Doubleclick (and similar enterprises) may find it less so, were the practice to become sufficiently common. Peace, david (who doesn't use Gmail, either) --=20 David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. --ZcaUvQ23gCOmDTXi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkjEe2EACgkQmprOCmdXAD1RyQCeI7qxx5co/MlQE9REVYbHzD7v gkkAnRAMwVdAaI+fL0Auf1sPv/Acp7it =tzUN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZcaUvQ23gCOmDTXi-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 8 10:51:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455E01065679; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:51:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023A68FC08; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A8B208D; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:51:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F02F0844B4; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:51:16 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20080905023638.U53812@phantom.math.miami.edu> <48C0EB58.4060307@FreeBSD.org> <20080905140820.B8020@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <48C1F44F.7030300@FreeBSD.org> <20080906094507.Q19981@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:51:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20080906094507.Q19981@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:46:54 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Kris Kennaway , jef moskot , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:51:21 -0000 Wojciech Puchar writes: > Kris Kennaway writes: > > [Google Chrome is] worth keeping an eye on, but not to the point of > > paranoia. Think of how much bad publicity would be generated if > > google was discovered to be secretly collecting data. > i don't know if it was discovered or will be, i don't need that > discovery, because i'm sure they do. Google Chrome is open source. If you're really worried that it might be secretly collecting data about you and sending it to Google, you are free to read the source code, modify any parts you think are suspect, and build your own binaries. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 8 10:56:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0241065676; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39008FC16; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:56:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m88Au7KW027532; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:56:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m88Au7Zw027529; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:56:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:56:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <20080908125527.H27528@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20080905023638.U53812@phantom.math.miami.edu> <48C0EB58.4060307@FreeBSD.org> <20080905140820.B8020@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <48C1F44F.7030300@FreeBSD.org> <20080906094507.Q19981@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Kris Kennaway , jef moskot , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:56:24 -0000 > > Google Chrome is open source. If you're really worried that it might be > secretly collecting data about you and sending it to Google, you are > free to read the source code, modify any parts you think are suspect, > and build your own binaries. really - are you able to really check this overcomplex code that it has, or mozilla etc? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 8 11:07:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DA7106564A; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C127C8FC0A; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:07:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BB1208A; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:07:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1A9D2844B4; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:07:27 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20080905023638.U53812@phantom.math.miami.edu> <48C0EB58.4060307@FreeBSD.org> <20080905140820.B8020@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <48C1F44F.7030300@FreeBSD.org> <20080906094507.Q19981@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080908125527.H27528@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:07:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20080908125527.H27528@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:56:07 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <864p4qgakx.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Kris Kennaway , jef moskot , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:07:29 -0000 Wojciech Puchar writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > Google Chrome is open source. If you're really worried that it might be > > secretly collecting data about you and sending it to Google, you are > > free to read the source code, modify any parts you think are suspect, > > and build your own binaries. > really - are you able to really check this overcomplex code that it > has, or mozilla etc? Searching for code that sends data over the network and checking that it's benign? Sure. There is also something called ktrace (or strace on Linux) that will give you very detailed information about what an application does. But I'm starting to understand that you're not really interested in reasonable arguments - like most conspiracy theorists, you *want* your theory to be true, and will reject or ignore any evidence to the contrary. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 8 11:09:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75D51065675; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A73C8FC16; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A497C2090; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:09:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8B1DD844B4; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:09:43 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20080905023638.U53812@phantom.math.miami.edu> <48C0EB58.4060307@FreeBSD.org> <20080905140820.B8020@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <48C1F44F.7030300@FreeBSD.org> <20080906094507.Q19981@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080908125527.H27528@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <864p4qgakx.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:09:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <864p4qgakx.fsf@ds4.des.no> ("Dag-Erling =?utf-8?Q?Sm=C3=B8rg?= =?utf-8?Q?rav=22's?= message of "Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:07:26 +0200") Message-ID: <86zlmievwo.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Kris Kennaway , jef moskot , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:09:45 -0000 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > Wojciech Puchar writes: > > really - are you able to really check this overcomplex code that it > > has, or mozilla etc? > Searching for code that sends data over the network and checking that > it's benign? Sure. There is also something called ktrace (or strace > on Linux) that will give you very detailed information about what an > application does. I forgot to add: are *you* able to really check that FreeBSD doesn't collect information about you and send it to a server I control? If not, why do you trust it? Because it's open source, and you trust that even if *you* don't notice it, someone else will? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 8 11:09:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87251065675; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:09:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92DB8FC1D; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m88B9pHm027650; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:09:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m88B9pRr027647; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:09:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:09:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <864p4qgakx.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <20080908130935.P27640@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20080905023638.U53812@phantom.math.miami.edu> <48C0EB58.4060307@FreeBSD.org> <20080905140820.B8020@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <48C1F44F.7030300@FreeBSD.org> <20080906094507.Q19981@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080908125527.H27528@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <864p4qgakx.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Kris Kennaway , jef moskot , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:09:59 -0000 > But I'm starting to understand that you're not really interested in > reasonable arguments - like most conspiracy theorists, you *want* your > theory to be true, and will reject or ignore any evidence to the > contrary. in fact i don't care if you believe me or not. it's not my problem. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 8 23:04:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5611065673 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blabgoo@yahoo.com) Received: from web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E34558FC17 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blabgoo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95934 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2008 22:38:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=pCoELwHVKWh3+CPgiS6wW5d5p+71SusttDuZ1Jx9Pku4vnay77OesL6UxPenHz6dIkH4CGjS4IJYEfdW3+VHIKGA3RA21YTOyCG1xMTHH2h11YZFBVDz282aV/H9N720w6p+SWoOsfObkmI4aV5AtnjdsYAT/O0QYS4aAGWg19U=; X-YMail-OSG: zVQSmmwVM1md4NH86mGSo1VD1Ov2eGUlqx7MGLZM4TslNkWDsJkmn51ehJl0Fk2I4GQw_wop5L3s8ij4vP.uwA6LhWbpX44xKpLwIIq.VPwhY6yFSMrsZeCzzUnZod4DTTbpdAG0841KVT_bCdONe54- Received: from [64.124.90.16] by web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:38:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <763429.94093.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:18:30 +0000 Subject: Fw: Production Engineer Position at Yahoo. -- Not FreeBSD Anymore? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:04:51 -0000 So much for Yahoo being mostly FreeBSD based? :( Waaah Nicole --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Bianca Medina wrote: > From: Bianca Medina > Subject: Production Engineer Position at Yahoo. > To: > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 8:13 AM > Job Title: Production Engineer > Location: Santa Clara, CA > > The Internet is a big, busy place, and we at Yahoo! are > proud to stand > out in the crowd. As the world's number one Internet > brand, servicing > over a half billion people, we're determined to > maintain our commitment > to delivering news, entertainment, information and fun... > each and every > day. > > In order to maintain our position as one of the world's > most trafficked > Internet destinations, we're always on the lookout for > people with big > ideas and big talent to help us provide our visitors with > the innovative > products and services they've come to expect from > Yahoo!. We're looking > for people like you. > > How Big Can You Think? > > Production Engineers at Yahoo! thrive on the scale and > mission-critical > nature of our complex ad serving runtime as well as the > challenge that > comes along with its operation. In this critical role, > you'll utilize > your rare combination of significant UNIX systems > experience, network > knowledge, troubleshooting skills and coding sensibilities > to design, > deploy, monitor, and automate all operational aspects of > Yahoo!'s > revenue critical ad serving systems. > > The ideal candidate has strong Perl programming skills as > well as an > extensive background in large-scale system administration. > S/he will > work directly with design and development teams, and will > participate in > all phases of software development from planning, design, > implementation, testing, deployment, and day-to-day service > operation. > > This is a full time position located in Santa Clara, CA. > > Responsibilities > * Function as a technical generalist responsible for the > overall health > and performance of our search and ad serving platforms > * Develop tools to automate the deployment, administration, > and > monitoring of a large-scale Linux environment > * Gain deep application-level knowledge of the systems as > well as > contributing to their overall design > * Work with development teams to harden, enhance, document, > and > generally improve the operability of our systems > * Assist in the configuration/build-out of new deployments > to facilitate > our constant growth > * Participate in a 12x7 (daylight hours) on-call pager > rotation > Minimum Job Qualifications > * Extensive system administration background > * Strong troubleshooting and problem solving skills, > including > application and network-level troubleshooting ability > * Strong programming skills in one or more of: C, Perl, > Python, Ruby > * Excellent written and verbal communication skills > * Experience working with development teams > Preferred Job Qualifications > * 5+ years experience with Linux (RHEL a plus) > * 5+ years experience administering large-scale UNIX > installations (ISP > background a plus) > * Experience with SQL and commonly deployed database > systems > * BS Computer Science > Yahoo! Inc. is an equal opportunity employer. For more > information or to > search all of our openings, please visit > http://careers.yahoo.com. > > > > > If interested please send your resume to me directly along > with some > dates/times I can give you a call. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Bianca Medina > > Yahoo! Inc.Talent Scout > > 701 First Avenue > Sunnyvale, CA 94089 > > (408) 349-6239 > biancam@yahoo-inc.com > > > > Fortune's Top 100 Companies to Work For > > For more info go to: http://careers.yahoo.com/ > > > > > Join my Professional LinkedIn Network: > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/biancamedina > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 9 00:55:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EB8106568B for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06CE68FC1C for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:55:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: (qmail 1330 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 00:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 99-204-221-102.area1.spcsdns.net) (syndivision@att.net@99.204.221.102 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 00:28:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EaFcRCsVM1krT1PC3LTTIzfqRoIJiie2PJbZ8Yyyfn7lPiPW7CDGFnrLlmlxHmsqKl1tCMECO9XD5vSap3uCY2sTHFbxqX1helamDWATL5RCVH_iojBge3qk8u1VvhQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: <4BF624FA-D6B3-4651-B97B-E108730948A9@ixsystems.com> From: Matt Olander To: Nicole In-Reply-To: <763429.94093.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:28:38 -0700 References: <763429.94093.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Production Engineer Position at Yahoo. -- Not FreeBSD Anymore? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:55:23 -0000 On Sep 8, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Nicole wrote: > So much for Yahoo being mostly FreeBSD based? :( > Waaah They still have many FreeBSD servers but have ended up with quite a mix of operating systems, including Linux and Solaris. Much of that is through company acquisitions with infrastructures that were already built out and would be difficult to change over, even if it was desired to do so :'( -matt > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Bianca Medina wrote: >> From: Bianca Medina >> Subject: Production Engineer Position at Yahoo. >> To: >> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 8:13 AM >> Job Title: Production Engineer >> Location: Santa Clara, CA >> >> The Internet is a big, busy place, and we at Yahoo! are >> proud to stand >> out in the crowd. As the world's number one Internet >> brand, servicing >> over a half billion people, we're determined to >> maintain our commitment >> to delivering news, entertainment, information and fun... >> each and every >> day. >> >> In order to maintain our position as one of the world's >> most trafficked >> Internet destinations, we're always on the lookout for >> people with big >> ideas and big talent to help us provide our visitors with >> the innovative >> products and services they've come to expect from >> Yahoo!. We're looking >> for people like you. >> >> How Big Can You Think? >> >> Production Engineers at Yahoo! thrive on the scale and >> mission-critical >> nature of our complex ad serving runtime as well as the >> challenge that >> comes along with its operation. In this critical role, >> you'll utilize >> your rare combination of significant UNIX systems >> experience, network >> knowledge, troubleshooting skills and coding sensibilities >> to design, >> deploy, monitor, and automate all operational aspects of >> Yahoo!'s >> revenue critical ad serving systems. >> >> The ideal candidate has strong Perl programming skills as >> well as an >> extensive background in large-scale system administration. >> S/he will >> work directly with design and development teams, and will >> participate in >> all phases of software development from planning, design, >> implementation, testing, deployment, and day-to-day service >> operation. >> >> This is a full time position located in Santa Clara, CA. >> >> Responsibilities >> * Function as a technical generalist responsible for the >> overall health >> and performance of our search and ad serving platforms >> * Develop tools to automate the deployment, administration, >> and >> monitoring of a large-scale Linux environment >> * Gain deep application-level knowledge of the systems as >> well as >> contributing to their overall design >> * Work with development teams to harden, enhance, document, >> and >> generally improve the operability of our systems >> * Assist in the configuration/build-out of new deployments >> to facilitate >> our constant growth >> * Participate in a 12x7 (daylight hours) on-call pager >> rotation >> Minimum Job Qualifications >> * Extensive system administration background >> * Strong troubleshooting and problem solving skills, >> including >> application and network-level troubleshooting ability >> * Strong programming skills in one or more of: C, Perl, >> Python, Ruby >> * Excellent written and verbal communication skills >> * Experience working with development teams >> Preferred Job Qualifications >> * 5+ years experience with Linux (RHEL a plus) >> * 5+ years experience administering large-scale UNIX >> installations (ISP >> background a plus) >> * Experience with SQL and commonly deployed database >> systems >> * BS Computer Science >> Yahoo! Inc. is an equal opportunity employer. For more >> information or to >> search all of our openings, please visit >> http://careers.yahoo.com. >> >> >> >> >> If interested please send your resume to me directly along >> with some >> dates/times I can give you a call. >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Bianca Medina >> >> Yahoo! Inc.Talent Scout >> >> 701 First Avenue >> Sunnyvale, CA 94089 >> >> (408) 349-6239 >> biancam@yahoo-inc.com >> >> >> >> Fortune's Top 100 Companies to Work For >> >> For more info go to: http://careers.yahoo.com/ >> >> >> >> >> Join my Professional LinkedIn Network: >> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/biancamedina >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 9 08:27:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C986C1065673; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de) Received: from mail.lonelyplanet.com.au (mail.lonelyplanet.com.au [203.166.32.192]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639E18FC17; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de) Received: from Garuda.lpint.net ([10.61.0.88]) by mail.lonelyplanet.com.au with InterScan Message Security Suite; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:56:38 +1000 Received: from klein.bigpond.com ([10.61.20.65]) by Garuda.lpint.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:55:46 +1000 Received: from klein.bigpond.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m897u9NX002945; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:56:09 +1000 (EST)(envelope-from Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de) Received: from localhost (petros@localhost)by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m897u5Dl002942;Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:56:07 +1000 (EST)(envelope-from Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de) X-Authentication-Warning: klein.au.lpint.net: petros owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:56:05 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Ross X-X-Sender: petros@klein.bigpond.com To: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <20080909174401.Q1857@klein.bigpond.com> References: <20080905023 638.U53812@phantom.math.miami.edu> <48C0EB58.4060307@FreeBSD.org><20080905140820.B8020@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl > <48C1F44F.7030300@FreeBSD.org><20080906094507.Q19981@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2077901516-417608823-1220946965=:1857" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2008 07:55:46.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[77C30410:01C91251] X-imss-version: 2.051 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scanInfo: M:P L:N SM:0 X-imss-tmaseResult: TT:0 TS:0.0000 TC:00 TRN:0 TV:5.5.1027(16146.005) X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:2 C:1 M:2 S:2 R:1 (0.1500 0.1500) Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Kris Kennaway , jef moskot , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:27:15 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2077901516-417608823-1220946965=:1857 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Google Chrome is open source. If you're really worried that it might be > secretly collecting data about you and sending it to Google .. I just double-checked the thread, I could not see someone mentioning it: http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- When you type URLs or queries in the address bar, the letters you type are= =20 sent to Google so the Suggest feature can automatically recommend terms or= =20 URLs you may be looking for. If you choose to share usage statistics with= =20 Google and you accept a suggested query or URL, Google Chrome will send=20 that information to Google as well. You can disable this feature as=20 explained here. =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If I read it correctly: _Every_ time you type into your ('conveniently' combined) URL/search=20 field, it gets immediately send to Google. In other words: Google can record your webbrowsing. And it is the default, not something you enable explicitly. Well, some consolidation: you _can_ disable it. Regards Peter --2077901516-417608823-1220946965=:1857-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 9 08:32:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE2C1065675 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:32:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from mail.lonelyplanet.com.au (mail.lonelyplanet.com.au [203.166.32.192]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF0F8FC13 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:32:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from Garuda.lpint.net ([10.61.0.88]) by mail.lonelyplanet.com.au with InterScan Message Security Suite; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:02:27 +1000 Received: from klein.bigpond.com ([10.61.20.65]) by Garuda.lpint.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:01:56 +1000 Received: from klein.bigpond.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m8982Jjt002981for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:02:19 +1000 (EST)(envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from localhost (petros@localhost)by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m8982Irj002978for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:02:19 +1000 (EST)(envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) X-Authentication-Warning: klein.au.lpint.net: petros owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:02:18 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Ross X-X-Sender: petros@klein.bigpond.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080909180033.S1857@klein.bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2077901516-417608823-1220946965=:1857" Content-ID: <20080909180033.F1857@klein.bigpond.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2008 08:01:56.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[54043570:01C91252] X-imss-version: 2.051 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scanInfo: M:P L:N SM:0 X-imss-tmaseResult: TT:0 TS:0.0000 TC:00 TRN:0 TV:5.5.1027(16146.005) X-imss-scores: Clean:11.19392 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:2 C:1 M:2 S:2 R:1 (0.1500 0.1500) Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:32:42 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2077901516-417608823-1220946965=:1857 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: <20080909180033.Y1857@klein.bigpond.com> [Sorry, resent - I used a sender address not on the list] On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Google Chrome is open source. If you're really worried that it might be > secretly collecting data about you and sending it to Google .. I just double-checked the thread, I could not see someone mentioning it: http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- When you type URLs or queries in the address bar, the letters you type are= =20 sent to Google so the Suggest feature can automatically recommend terms or= =20 URLs you may be looking for. If you choose to share usage statistics with= =20 Google and you accept a suggested query or URL, Google Chrome will send=20 that information to Google as well. You can disable this feature as=20 explained here. =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If I read it correctly: _Every_ time you type into your ('conveniently' combined) URL/search=20 field, it gets immediately send to Google. In other words: Google can record your webbrowsing. And it is the default, not something you enable explicitly. Well, some consolidation: you _can_ disable it. Regards Peter --2077901516-417608823-1220946965=:1857-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 9 09:03:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89541065683; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F888FC22; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:03:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8992mou036506; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:02:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m8992m5u036503; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:02:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:02:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Ross In-Reply-To: <20080909174401.Q1857@klein.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <20080909110132.F36463@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20080905023 638.U53812@phantom.math.miami.edu> <48C0EB58.4060307@FreeBSD.org><20080905140820.B8020@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl > <48C1F44F.7030300@FreeBSD.org><20080906094507.Q19981@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080909174401.Q1857@klein.bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= , Kris Kennaway , jef moskot , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:03:15 -0000 > I just double-checked the thread, I could not see someone mentioning it: > > http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > When you type URLs or queries in the address bar, the letters you type are > sent to Google so the Suggest feature can automatically recommend terms or > URLs you may be looking for. If you choose to share usage statistics with > Google and you accept a suggested query or URL, Google Chrome will send > that information to Google as well. You can disable this feature as > explained here. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If I read it correctly: > > _Every_ time you type into your ('conveniently' combined) URL/search > field, it gets immediately send to Google. every time you use ports/net/tor - they get confused :)))) > In other words: Google can record your webbrowsing. s/can/do/ > Well, some consolidation: you _can_ disable it. disable this feature or disable sending? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 9 10:30:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E79D1065679 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doublef-ctm@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards3.yandex.ru (forwards3.yandex.ru [213.180.223.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07878FC1B for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doublef-ctm@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp10.yandex.ru (smtp10.yandex.ru [213.180.223.92]) by forwards3.yandex.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857A74C5B09; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:18:51 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [77.75.10.91] ([77.75.10.91]:49510 "EHLO shark" smtp-auth: "doublef-ctm" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S5865596AbYIIKSm (ORCPT + 1 other); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:18:42 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp10 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1220955522 X-MsgDayCount: 2 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp10.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: doublef-ctm Received: by shark (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AF7471434A6; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:18:38 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:18:38 +0400 From: Sergey Zaharchenko To: Peter Ross Message-ID: <20080909101838.GA2645@shark.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: Sergey Zaharchenko , Peter Ross , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080909174401.Q1857@klein.bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080909174401.Q1857@klein.bigpond.com> X-Listening-To: Silence User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:30:53 -0000 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Peter! Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 05:56:05PM +1000 you wrote: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: >=20 > > Google Chrome is open source. If you're really worried that it might be > > secretly collecting data about you and sending it to Google .. >=20 > I just double-checked the thread, I could not see someone mentioning it: >=20 > http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > When you type URLs or queries in the address bar, the letters you type ar= e=20 > sent to Google so the Suggest feature can automatically recommend terms o= r=20 > URLs you may be looking for. If you choose to share usage statistics with= =20 > Google and you accept a suggested query or URL, Google Chrome will send= =20 > that information to Google as well. You can disable this feature as=20 > explained here. =20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > If I read it correctly: >=20 > _Every_ time you type into your ('conveniently' combined) URL/search=20 > field, it gets immediately send to Google. >=20 > In other words: Google can record your webbrowsing. You may be interested in knowing that the same feature is present in other browsers. Get your proxy to ban urls containing `google.com/complete/search' if that's a concern (as for me, it's just annoying). --=20 DoubleF No virus detected in this message. Ehrm, wait a minute... /kernel: pid 56921 (antivirus), uid 32000: exited on signal 9 Oh yes, no virus:) --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkjGTX0ACgkQwo7hT/9lVdxZsQCfb+5vfcfG4CPXyvm2vuVwZdBf QxIAnRZXawNxWF587dJt6y423ke/HXmD =fuj5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 01:00:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49AD1065680 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCC48FC13; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <48C71C27.8030009@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:30:23 +0930 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sergey Zaharchenko , Peter Ross , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080909174401.Q1857@klein.bigpond.com> <20080909101838.GA2645@shark.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20080909101838.GA2645@shark.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:00:22 -0000 Sergey Zaharchenko wrote: > Hello Peter! > > Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 05:56:05PM +1000 you wrote: > >> On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: >> >>> Google Chrome is open source. If you're really worried that it might be >>> secretly collecting data about you and sending it to Google .. >> I just double-checked the thread, I could not see someone mentioning it: >> >> http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> When you type URLs or queries in the address bar, the letters you type are >> sent to Google so the Suggest feature can automatically recommend terms or >> URLs you may be looking for. If you choose to share usage statistics with >> Google and you accept a suggested query or URL, Google Chrome will send >> that information to Google as well. You can disable this feature as >> explained here. >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> If I read it correctly: >> >> _Every_ time you type into your ('conveniently' combined) URL/search >> field, it gets immediately send to Google. >> >> In other words: Google can record your webbrowsing. > > You may be interested in knowing that the same feature is present in > other browsers. Get your proxy to ban urls containing > `google.com/complete/search' if that's a concern (as for me, it's just > annoying). Yes, firefox etc also does exactly the same thing. You can just disable it in the browser configuration. Kris From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 01:16:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E619A106564A for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:16:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from mail.lonelyplanet.com.au (mail.lonelyplanet.com.au [203.166.32.192]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B848FC1C for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:16:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from Garuda.lpint.net ([10.61.0.88]) by mail.lonelyplanet.com.au with InterScan Message Security Suite; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:16:01 +1000 Received: from klein.bigpond.com ([10.61.20.65]) by Garuda.lpint.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:15:34 +1000 Received: from klein.bigpond.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m8A1Fsjg001801; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:15:54 +1000 (EST)(envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from localhost (petros@localhost)by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m8A1Frr2001798;Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:15:54 +1000 (EST)(envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) X-Authentication-Warning: klein.au.lpint.net: petros owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:15:52 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Ross X-X-Sender: petros@klein.bigpond.com To: Sergey Zaharchenko In-Reply-To: <20080909101838.GA2645@shark.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080910110539.E1675@klein.bigpond.com> References: <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080909174401.Q1857@klein.bigpond.com><20080909101838.GA2645@shark.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2008 01:15:34.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9D2AB30:01C912E2] X-imss-version: 2.051 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scanInfo: M:P L:E SM:0 X-imss-tmaseResult: TT:0 TS:0.0000 TC:00 TRN:0 TV:5.5.1027(16148.003) X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:1 M:6 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:2 C:1 M:2 S:2 R:1 (0.1500 0.1500) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:16:04 -0000 Hi Sergey, On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Sergey Zaharchenko wrote: > Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 05:56:05PM +1000 you wrote: > > > _Every_ time you type into your ('conveniently' combined) URL/search > > field, it gets immediately send to Google. > > You may be interested in knowing that the same feature is present in > other browsers. Get your proxy to ban urls containing > `google.com/complete/search' if that's a concern (as for me, it's just > annoying). Correct me if I am wrong: Firefox only contacts Google if DNS fails. AFAIK as long as you have a valid URL it does not go to Google. Google Chrome sends an event every time you type into the URL/Search field (using Javascript) so Google can make suggestions while you are typing. So _every_ URL is sent to them. Yes, I know that you can use tor. But the most users will not do it. As most don't care about changing defaults at all. So if Chrome becomes widely used, Google harvests the browsing history of millions of users. Regards Peter From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 01:29:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F220106564A for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:29:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043048FC0A for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:29:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so3014322rvf.43 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.166.21 with SMTP id o21mr358230rve.167.1221010197568; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.162.20 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2a7894eb0809091829s4ebb75fco20a65bd84eca5d2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:29:57 -0700 From: "Murray Stokely" To: "Peter Ross" In-Reply-To: <20080910110539.E1675@klein.bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080909174401.Q1857@klein.bigpond.com> <20080909101838.GA2645@shark.localdomain> <20080910110539.E1675@klein.bigpond.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Sergey Zaharchenko Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:29:58 -0000 On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Peter Ross wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong: > > Firefox only contacts Google if DNS fails. AFAIK as long as you have a > valid URL it does not go to Google. > > Google Chrome sends an event every time you type into the URL/Search field > (using Javascript) so Google can make suggestions while you are typing. > > So _every_ URL is sent to them. > > Yes, I know that you can use tor. But the most users will not do it. As > most don't care about changing defaults at all. So if Chrome becomes > widely used, Google harvests the browsing history of millions of users. All search companies with toolbars already harvest the browsing history of millions of users. Most toolbars have a similar suggest feature, which consumers find enormously useful, but can turn off it they don't want to give away that information. Your ISP also sees your entire browsing history, but turning that off with Tor or something is much harder. More details about all the cases when Chrome communicates with a Google server are enumerated in a blog post here : http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-chrome-communication/ - Murray From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 04:42:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83717106566B for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jef@math.miami.edu) Received: from zero.math.miami.edu (zero.math.miami.edu [192.70.171.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360B88FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jef@math.miami.edu) Received: from phantom.math.miami.edu (phantom.math.miami.edu [129.171.34.4]) by zero.math.miami.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m8A4fdhG035873 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:41:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jef@math.miami.edu) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:42:05 -0400 (EDT) From: jef moskot To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <48C71C27.8030009@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20080910003550.C84420@phantom.math.miami.edu> References: <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080909174401.Q1857@klein.bigpond.com> <20080909101838.GA2645@shark.localdomain> <48C71C27.8030009@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:42:09 -0000 On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Yes, firefox etc also does exactly the same thing [ie, collect all your > browsing data]. You can just disable it in the browser configuration. So we all agree that Google is, in fact, using Chrome to harvest information. No conspiracy theories or debate about open source necessary. It's nice that this can be turned off, but we all know the vast majority of users will not do this. Can I throw my tinfoil hat in the recycle bin now? Jeffrey Moskot System Administrator jef@math.miami.edu From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 06:24:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EEA106566C for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itetcu@FreeBSD.org) Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (it.buh.tecnik93.com [81.196.204.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BEE8FC14 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itetcu@FreeBSD.org) Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4AC12C50CDD; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:07:04 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:06:57 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Max Laier Message-ID: <20080910090657.1b18a0be@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <200808181447.19210.max@love2party.net> References: <48A96419.2010608@fairhaven.za.net> <200808181447.19210.max@love2party.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/pP1HbYJvzZyM/FKs6VSr5Kp"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: Angus Robinson , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: wire(less)router under 100E - that we can run FreeBSD on? (Re: projects for wrt54gl) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:24:30 -0000 --Sig_/pP1HbYJvzZyM/FKs6VSr5Kp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:47:18 +0200 Max Laier wrote: > On Monday 18 August 2008 13:59:21 Angus Robinson wrote: > > Not to sure if this list caters this. I have a linksys wrt54gl > > wireless router (the cisco open source AP) and would like to know > > if there is a *BSD projects out there for this AP (i know there are > > a few linux ones), or if IPFW2 can be sucessfully compiled on > > linux. I have had a look on google with not much sucess. Sorry if > > this is the wrong list. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series >=20 > This is powered by a MIPS based SoC. The FreeBSD/mips port is not > ready for prime time, yet ... but the wrt54gXX should be a possible > target once it is. NetBSD has a mips32 port, but it seems that there > are boot problems with the wrt54 >=20 > As of now, it seems that *BSD is a no-go on this device - sorry. Are you or anyone else aware of an equivalent product - wire(less) router under 100E - that we can run FreeBSD on? We're using quite a few wrt54gl for very small networks and I'd really love a bit more flexibility when it comes to firewall for the same money. Thanks, --=20 IOnut - Un^d^dregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" "Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect" FreeBSD committer -> itetcu@FreeBSD.org, PGP Key ID 057E9F8B493A297B --Sig_/pP1HbYJvzZyM/FKs6VSr5Kp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkjHZAcACgkQJ7GIuiH/oeXz5gCdHM/S4ekrAEcZVxdXoGqhM2Mi mksAn00GuQYDLHX8mE+xK+IgXU2HE2KZ =rdMH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/pP1HbYJvzZyM/FKs6VSr5Kp-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 06:40:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E134C1065672 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712A68FC23 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from vampire.homelinux.org (dslb-088-066-008-136.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.66.8.136]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1KdJN33Awg-0006qs; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:40:10 +0200 Received: (qmail 80743 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2008 06:40:08 -0000 Received: from fbsd8.laiers.local (192.168.4.151) by ns1.laiers.local with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 06:40:08 -0000 From: Max Laier Organization: FreeBSD To: "Ion-Mihai Tetcu" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:40:08 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.1.1; i386; ; ) References: <48A96419.2010608@fairhaven.za.net> <200808181447.19210.max@love2party.net> <20080910090657.1b18a0be@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <20080910090657.1b18a0be@it.buh.tecnik93.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200809100840.08607.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ESbi41JIkcprtaQOHX25gFhtImOLYbCT70GU XKg3YMeDP9wZvr5TUeDqcahMjf5eBYKFs689ZHiLUna+IWVJIP ueWckwGHa5eM7tD3PG1lw== Cc: Angus Robinson , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wire(less)router under 100E - that we can run FreeBSD on? (Re: projects for wrt54gl) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:40:12 -0000 On Wednesday 10 September 2008 08:06:57 Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:47:18 +0200 > > Max Laier wrote: > > On Monday 18 August 2008 13:59:21 Angus Robinson wrote: > > > Not to sure if this list caters this. I have a linksys wrt54gl > > > wireless router (the cisco open source AP) and would like to know > > > if there is a *BSD projects out there for this AP (i know there are > > > a few linux ones), or if IPFW2 can be sucessfully compiled on > > > linux. I have had a look on google with not much sucess. Sorry if > > > this is the wrong list. > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series > > > > This is powered by a MIPS based SoC. The FreeBSD/mips port is not > > ready for prime time, yet ... but the wrt54gXX should be a possible > > target once it is. NetBSD has a mips32 port, but it seems that there > > are boot problems with the wrt54 > > > > As of now, it seems that *BSD is a no-go on this device - sorry. > > Are you or anyone else aware of an equivalent product - wire(less) > router under 100E - that we can run FreeBSD on? > > We're using quite a few wrt54gl for very small networks and I'd really > love a bit more flexibility when it comes to firewall for the same > money. I'm not. However, you can pick up PcEngiens WRAP (discontinued) and ALIX based solutions for just about 100E. There might be some ARM based solutions out there, I'm not aware of, though. In addition, there should be a rise in Intel Atom based boards in the next few months which can certainly provide a quite powerful solution for <100$. -- /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 06:55:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6716D1065670 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891498FC1E; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <48C76F7A.4080502@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:25:54 +0930 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jef moskot References: <86od2ykj17.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080909174401.Q1857@klein.bigpond.com> <20080909101838.GA2645@shark.localdomain> <48C71C27.8030009@FreeBSD.org> <20080910003550.C84420@phantom.math.miami.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080910003550.C84420@phantom.math.miami.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:55:52 -0000 jef moskot wrote: > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Kris Kennaway wrote: >> Yes, firefox etc also does exactly the same thing [ie, collect all >> your browsing data]. You can just disable it in the browser >> configuration. > > So we all agree that Google is, in fact, using Chrome to harvest > information. No conspiracy theories or debate about open source necessary. > > It's nice that this can be turned off, but we all know the vast majority > of users will not do this. My point is that suggestions that this new browser is some kind of game changer in terms of retention of private information are bunk, because as far as I can tell it does no more than e.g. firefox, which also sends the same information to google by default. > Can I throw my tinfoil hat in the recycle bin now? Sounds like a good place for it :) Kris From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 11:11:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC8D106566B for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93CE8FC1E for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m8ABAr0l082447; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:10:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m8ABAqwe082446; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:10:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:10:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200809101110.m8ABAqwe082446@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, david@catwhisker.org In-Reply-To: <20080908010956.GT11991@bunrab.catwhisker.org> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:10:54 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: Google Chrome X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, david@catwhisker.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:11:37 -0000 David Wolfskill wrote: > g1-30(6.3-S)[4] host doubleclick.com > doubleclick.com has address 127.0.0.1 > g1-30(6.3-S)[5] host \*.doubleclick.com > *.doubleclick.com has address 127.0.0.1 > g1-30(6.3-S)[6] > > (My internal resolvers have a file that lists domains where: > * they are configured to be masters for the domains in question and > * everything resolves to 127.0.0.1. > It does clutter the Apache error log a bit, but otherwise tends to speed > page loading, as long as one doesn't object too strongly to 404 messages > in place of ads.) If you run a Squid proxy, there's another way to achieve similar results (without 404 messages). Put these lines in your sqid conf: acl banned_doms url_regex -i "/usr/local/etc/squid/banned_doms.txt" acl banned_urls dstdomain "/usr/local/etc/squid/banned_urls.txt" http_access deny banned_doms http_access deny banned_urls deny_info ERR_BANNED banned_doms deny_info ERR_BANNED banned_doms The file banned_doms.txt contains one domains per line, for example: .doubleclick.net .doubleclick.com .googlesyndication.com .hitbox.com .adserver.org .usertracker.info The dot prefix means to include the domain _and_ all names under that domain, e.g. ".foo.com" includes foo.com itself as well as www.foo.com, www.bar.foo.com and so on. This "dstdomain" matching is very efficient; in the squid ML someone reported having 600,000 entries in his file of banned domains. The file banned_urls.txt contains extended regular expressions (one per line) that are matched against the full URL of the request, for example: ^http://wodas\.wetteroffline\.de/static/sky_(google|woshop) ^http://oas\.hiese\.de/RealMedia/ads/ Finally, the file errors/$LANG/ERR_BANNED contains something like this: Blocked

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