From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 17 08:36:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE410106567C for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from won.derick@yahoo.com) Received: from n2a.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (n2a.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 910D98FC18 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from won.derick@yahoo.com) Received: from [76.13.13.25] by n2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2008 08:36:16 -0000 Received: from [76.13.10.170] by t4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2008 08:36:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp111.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2008 08:36:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 814915.95545.bm@omp111.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97698 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2008 08:36:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=VBdIzp1V02/aJo73kcQT3A8ZD7FAJpYdXm7jOAWvLC0SGjQn8g8ZDc+qE/T6BHLEDrY3Kqn0U1f0UKaqr2ROsdrTzuTDMwAi7KfdHTa13Q4SlkQxzNSfiBgSSeaiyQxYg5ipvjRrD9SM7KtHsalddPlpLXw+G6T54APgSpLfCCI=; Received: from [58.71.34.137] by web45813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:36:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Won De Erick To: Chris Elsworth MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <117484.97387.qm@web45813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-testing@freebsd.org, Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-performance@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU Utilization on IBM x3755 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:36:18 -0000 On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 01:18:18AM -0700, Won De Erick wrote: >> >Regarding why you're adding up all the individual process statistics: I >> >can imagine they would vary a slight bit, but I cannot explain a 7% >> >variance. Someone with more knowledge will have to assist there. >> >> Though the header could be conclusive, I should want the specific processes (or threads). >> And come up with a list of breakdowns, like: >> >> Then match this by adding up all individual processes statistics. And if I couldn't match, at least I could tell some factors that cause variance. > >At the bottom of man top, reformatted for email width: > > As with ps(1), things can change while top is collecting > information for an update. The picture it gives is only > a close approximation to reality. > >Could this explain the variations you are seeing? top never gives you >an accurate snapshot of what the system is doing at any one instant in >time, afaik. >-- >Chris I'm aware with this limitation as displayed using man top. But when I ran top -SI, I only got 8 processes out of 12 processes [actively] running as displayed on the header making it far from reality. I did this several times, restarting the machine, bootstrapping, etc, but I got same result. I don't know what kernel threads are causing top -S to display the command as "idle: cpu0", "idle : cpu1", ... "idle:cpu7". Though Jeremy had mentioned them as simply kernel threads (due to lack of term), I should at least dig deeper on this matter and be able to specifically classify them. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 18 19:05:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FD91065675 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:05:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rhomp2002@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710B48FC0A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:05:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rhomp2002@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ia086XP5Liz9ZdjDU9eAxzD+Ehxz0GGaRulfzD2N6CksFFGmeAXHvozXEcioMW/H; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [208.120.2.114] by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KV92g-00026B-Hz for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:01:22 -0400 Message-ID: <48A9B8F1.2080307@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:01:21 -0400 From: dick thompson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080725) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: c8494808ff89d01a66e19d6f8fecf7737e972de0d01da9406fec3ccf3684283be995767a5f52cf58350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 208.120.2.114 Subject: Question of FreeBSD 7.0 support of my ethernet adapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:05:24 -0000 My computer came with the Attansic L1 Gigabyte ethernet adapter. With Linux I need distros using a kernel later than 2.6.22.1. Does FreeBSD 7.0 support this ethernet adapter or has a work around come out that will work with it? I know that the older BSD releases did not support it but don't know if the new one does or not. This adapter is the same as the Atheros L1 Gigabyte ethernet adapter and appears to be widely used on the lower level Intel Core 2 Duo computers (mine is the E4400 chipset). I would like to use the FreeBSD but I am retired and do not want to have to do a lot of changing of what came with this computer for economic reasons. Thanks. Dick From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 18 19:14:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A687C1065677 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B458FC13 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 499391CC0BE; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:14:21 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: dick thompson Message-ID: <20080818191421.GA6428@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <48A9B8F1.2080307@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48A9B8F1.2080307@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question of FreeBSD 7.0 support of my ethernet adapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:14:31 -0000 On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 02:01:21PM -0400, dick thompson wrote: > My computer came with the Attansic L1 Gigabyte ethernet adapter. With > Linux I need distros using a kernel later than 2.6.22.1. Does FreeBSD > 7.0 support this ethernet adapter or has a work around come out that > will work with it? I know that the older BSD releases did not support > it but don't know if the new one does or not. This adapter is the same > as the Atheros L1 Gigabyte ethernet adapter and appears to be widely > used on the lower level Intel Core 2 Duo computers (mine is the E4400 > chipset). I would like to use the FreeBSD but I am retired and do not > want to have to do a lot of changing of what came with this computer for > economic reasons. There is a new driver for FreeBSD, specifically for that adapter, called age(4). It was added to FreeBSD 3-4 months ago. It should be available via FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE (not RELEASE), so you should download a 7.0-STABLE snapshot image and install that: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200807/ -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 18 21:44:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC7D1065685 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:44:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E39B8FC1A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1538147nfh.33 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:44:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; bh=RfrbdZiTDsBWfwY+rDsi4Zexgt/7R8JVesO+JUS0LfU=; b=ViLBp/z4ssAqqufqk4PlTWVOjqxB614Ple6II1Wm+qACkGn1IIpOG3OGrNv1x+pg4E WV906bweUp54wOAWMmdrm4u6Bxv/1rKLknHjrqOwFrdv9MYayLEIbPTU0ppfvR4JAcJy Hld08d+rSm+Wfdc4hCVjtaZxN1Dqyadm9d1o8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; b=vwp0f5c3/n7jyx44dugBf8irOTgpusSIoEbT+ksQ+rxMCJOVTAuXGiLbANvb1Vpvn+ 9W+840Fvo00GEEL5Eeo3ZzD82l3OKOQjrTvcuM8wfh45pTVYYxDRErb5+pd+KHujHK9P uGWUR9hoJz8JndKYQVjs0FOpvo4hm5+79dMgI= Received: by 10.210.121.8 with SMTP id t8mr8617639ebc.31.1219094212600; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epsilon.local ( [92.250.18.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10sm14125171gvf.7.2008.08.18.14.16.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:16:43 +0100 From: Rui Paulo To: dick thompson Message-ID: <20080818211643.GA1208@epsilon.local> References: <48A9B8F1.2080307@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48A9B8F1.2080307@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Sender: Rui Paulo Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question of FreeBSD 7.0 support of my ethernet adapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:44:41 -0000 On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 02:01:21PM -0400, dick thompson wrote: > My computer came with the Attansic L1 Gigabyte ethernet adapter. With > Linux I need distros using a kernel later than 2.6.22.1. Does FreeBSD 7.0 > support this ethernet adapter or has a work around come out that will work > with it? I know that the older BSD releases did not support it but don't > know if the new one does or not. This adapter is the same as the Atheros > L1 Gigabyte ethernet adapter and appears to be widely used on the lower > level Intel Core 2 Duo computers (mine is the E4400 chipset). I would like > to use the FreeBSD but I am retired and do not want to have to do a lot of > changing of what came with this computer for economic reasons. Try upgrading to FreeBSD-CURRENT. It supports your NIC. The device driver is called age(4). See: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=age&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+8-current&format=html Regards, -- Rui Paulo From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 21 13:12:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD9E1065677 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from effie.kotika@saralee.com) Received: from SG2EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (outbound-sin.frontbridge.com [207.46.51.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DB08FC15 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from effie.kotika@saralee.com) Received: from mail126-sin-R.bigfish.com (10.3.40.3) by SG2EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (10.3.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.240.5; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:12:26 +0000 Received: from mail126-sin (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail126-sin-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDC5A20495; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:12:26 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: VPS4(zzzzzzz2dh6bh41i42k61h) X-Spam-TCS-SCL: 0:0 Received: by mail126-sin (MessageSwitch) id 1219324345638738_12923; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:12:25 +0000 (UCT) Received: from s-smtp2.saralee-int.com (smtp2.saralee-int.com [195.75.244.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail126-sin.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6764F1A0804E; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Importance: normal Received: from smtp1.saralee-int.com ([10.128.68.44]) by s-smtp2.saralee-int.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:02:53 +0200 Received: from DESHNGMG121.de.saralee.com ([10.128.68.18]) by smtp1.saralee-int.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:02:52 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2992 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:recallmessage MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:02:51 +0200 Message-ID: <42230CECC12B5B4285CFCDA34F78328660D73C@DESHNGMG121.de.saralee.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SPEEDLOTTO AWARD WINNER thread-index: AckDjjhX2IIV+HR7Tpu76iIL7BhZEg== Priority: Urgent Expiry-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:02:50 +0200 From: "Kotika, Effie" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2008 13:02:52.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[38645A70:01C9038E] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Matilda Peterson Subject: Recall: SPEEDLOTTO AWARD WINNER X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:12:28 -0000 Kotika, Effie would like to recall the message, "SPEEDLOTTO AWARD = WINNER". =20 =20 This transmission is intended only for use by the intended recipient(s). = If you are not an intended recipient you should not read, disclose, = copy, circulate or in any other way use the information contained in = this transmission. 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From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 21 13:17:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE541065675 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from effie.kotika@saralee.com) Received: from VA3EHSOBE005.bigfish.com (outbound-va3.frontbridge.com [216.32.180.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85868FC39 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from effie.kotika@saralee.com) Received: from mail223-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.254) by VA3EHSOBE005.bigfish.com (10.7.40.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.240.5; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:02:22 +0000 Received: from mail223-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail223-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC44184078D; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:02:22 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: VPS4(zzzzzzz2dh6bh41i42k61h) X-Spam-TCS-SCL: 0:0 Received: by mail223-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 121932374193144_9730; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:02:21 +0000 (UCT) Received: from s-smtp1.saralee-int.com (smtp1.saralee-int.com [195.75.244.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail223-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF0B308058; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.saralee-int.com ([10.128.68.242]) by s-smtp1.saralee-int.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:02:19 +0200 Received: from DESHNGMG121.de.saralee.com ([10.128.68.18]) by smtp1.saralee-int.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:02:18 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:recallmessage MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:02:18 +0200 Message-ID: <42230CECC12B5B4285CFCDA34F78328660D73B@DESHNGMG121.de.saralee.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SPEEDLOTTO AWARD WINNER thread-index: AckDjiRkXf+DQ++1T8yxbhNF6O7mTg== Priority: Urgent Expiry-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:02:16 +0200 From: "Kotika, Effie" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2008 13:02:18.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[24820570:01C9038E] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Matilda Peterson Subject: Recall: SPEEDLOTTO AWARD WINNER X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:17:29 -0000 Kotika, Effie would like to recall the message, "SPEEDLOTTO AWARD = WINNER". From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 22 23:33:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECD4106566B for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.macy@us.army.mil) Received: from mxoutps1.us.army.mil (mxoutps1.us.army.mil [143.69.250.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2798FC0C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:33:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.macy@us.army.mil) DomainKey-Signature: s=ako; d=us.army.mil; c=nofws; q=dns; h=From:X-AKO:X-IronPort-AV:Received:Received:To:Message-ID: Date:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Language:Subject: X-Accept-Language:Priority:Content-Type: Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VbQWVCn7Pje95FKu60yqb5gMHggmKoABMY9YdJt1iCebKo6mYYu5iAub Y8q/FVqqSb5uYoCwBTvCM6VTO/ak7g==; From: "Macy, Ryan W PV2 NG NG NGB" X-AKO: 194259296:10.224.36.142:22 Aug 2008 23:22:13 +0000:$Webmail:None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,255,1217808000"; d="scan'208";a="194259296" Received: from mailstore22.int.ps1.us.army.mil (HELO us.army.mil) ([10.224.36.142]) by mxoutps1.us.army.mil with ESMTP; 22 Aug 2008 23:21:59 +0000 Received: from [10.240.32.178] (Forwarded-For: 74.170.178.21, [10.240.32.178]) by mail22.int.ps1.us.army.mil (mshttpd); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:21:59 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:21:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: looking to make the jump from linux to unix (freebsd) need to know if xps m1330n is supported? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:33:47 -0000 Hey guys=2C first mailing list post=2E=2E=2E ever! Anyways I spent the last 15 minutes running around on google=A0to find o= ut if my dell xps=A0m1330n is supported or not=2E the machine was built for linux=A0(and practically out of the box) so it= should pretty much work right=3F From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 23 01:27:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A469A1065674 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:27:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9178E8FC0C for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:27:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E048F1CC0C2; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:27:29 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: "Macy, Ryan W PV2 NG NG NGB" Message-ID: <20080823012729.GA12042@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking to make the jump from linux to unix (freebsd) need to know if xps m1330n is supported? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:27:30 -0000 On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:21:59PM -0500, Macy, Ryan W PV2 NG NG NGB wrote: > Hey guys, first mailing list post... ever! > > Anyways I spent the last 15 minutes running around on google to find out if my dell xps m1330n is supported or not. > > the machine was built for linux (and practically out of the box) so it should pretty much work right? http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/Products/XPS_M1330n/lspci I believe all of these devices are supported under FreeBSD. Ones worth being concerned about: 1) Broadcom BCM5906M Ethernet NIC -- this NIC probably will not work with FreeBSD unless you install one of the snapshot versions. I see someone has recently committed support for the BCM5906 series to RELENG_6, RELENG_7, and HEAD/CURRENT, but that was 8 weeks ago, which is why you'll need a snapshot and not 7.0-RELEASE, etc... http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/bge/if_bge.c Further proof older versions did not have support for this card: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2008-04/msg01343.html 2) Intel 3945ABG wireless card -- appears there is a wpi(4) driver which is specific to this card model, but I believe some people have reported problems with it (not sure what their issues were, just going off of memory of things I'd seen in the past). 3) nVidia 8400M GS video card -- if you plan on using X on this machine[1], I recommend you install the i386 version of FreeBSD and not amd64. The nVidia driver for FreeBSD is known to not work on amd64[2]. If you have large amounts of memory in the machine, i386 will require you use PAE mode, which will probably cause you some pain; yep, the situation isn't user-friendly. Linux wins out here. Based on all of the above, I'd recommend you install one of the FreeBSD 7.0 snapshots, which are newer than 7.0-RELEASE, just to ensure you pick up any wireless card modifications or other fix-ups for stuff that has since been addressed since the release of 7.0: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200807/ Also, if/when you reply, please remember to keep the mailing list CC'd so people can see your responses. Just a FYI since this is your first time posting. [1]: I don't use X myself, but I base this comment on what I've read time and time again on the mailing lists. Others can correct me if I'm wrong. [2]: If you're not familiar with FreeBSD, know that amd64 is the name of the 64-bit version of FreeBSD, and does not require an AMD processor. Do not confuse this with ia64, which is something *completely* different and you do not want it. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 23 02:52:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE6D106564A for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.macy@us.army.mil) Received: from mxoutps1.us.army.mil (mxoutps1.us.army.mil [143.69.250.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A748FC1A for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.macy@us.army.mil) DomainKey-Signature: s=ako; d=us.army.mil; c=nofws; q=dns; h=From:X-AKO:X-IronPort-AV:Received:Received:To:Cc: Message-ID:Date:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Language: Subject:X-Accept-Language:Priority:In-Reply-To:References: Content-Type:Content-Disposition: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cscYr0YY4tl2dquwV3+kvm9bGyRYAD590PVC+I0BtNQbtatGBeSVqtDH cqQcEYhD+PiF61JMUr8u60V8iwb08Q==; From: "Macy, Ryan W PV2 NG NG NGB" X-AKO: 192604102:10.224.36.142:23 Aug 2008 02:52:20 +0000:$Webmail:None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,255,1217808000"; d="scan'208";a="192604102" Received: from mailstore22.int.ps1.us.army.mil (HELO us.army.mil) ([10.224.36.142]) by mxoutps1.us.army.mil with ESMTP; 23 Aug 2008 02:52:20 +0000 Received: from [10.240.32.172] (Forwarded-For: 74.170.178.21, [10.240.32.172]) by mail22.int.ps1.us.army.mil (mshttpd); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:52:20 -0500 To: Jeremy Chadwick Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:52:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <20080823012729.GA12042@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <20080823012729.GA12042@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking to make the jump from linux to unix (freebsd) need to know if xps m1330n is supported? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:52:22 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From=3A Jeremy Chadwick =3Ckoitsu=40FreeBSD=2Eorg=3E Date=3A Friday=2C August 22=2C 2008 20=3A27 Subject=3A Re=3A looking to make the jump from linux=A0to unix=A0(freebs= d) need to know if xps=A0m1330n is supported=3F To=3A =22Macy=2C Ryan W PV2 NG NG NGB=22 =3Cryan=2Emacy=40us=2Earmy=2Emi= l=3E Cc=3A freebsd-hardware=40freebsd=2Eorg =3E On Fri=2C Aug 22=2C 2008 at 06=3A21=3A59PM -0500=2C Macy=2C Ryan W P= V2 NG NG = =3E NGB wrote=3A =3E =3E Hey guys=2C first mailing list post=2E=2E=2E ever! =3E =3E = =3E =3E Anyways I spent the last 15 minutes running around on google=A0t= o = =3E find out if my dell xps=A0m1330n is supported or not=2E =3E =3E = =3E =3E the machine was built for linux=A0(and works fine=2C nearly righ= t out of the box) = =3E so it should pretty much work right=3F =3E = =3E http=3A//linux=2Edell=2Ecom/wiki/index=2Ephp/Clients/Products/XPS=5F= M1330n/lspci =3E = =3E I believe all of these devices are supported under FreeBSD=2E Ones = =3E worthbeing=A0concerned about=3A =3E = =3E 1) Broadcom=A0BCM5906M Ethernet NIC -- this NIC probably will not wo= rk =3E with FreeBSD=A0unless you install one of the snapshot versions=2E I= =3E see someone has recently committed support for the BCM5906 series =3E to RELENG=5F6=2C RELENG=5F7=2C and HEAD/CURRENT=2C but that was 8 we= eks ago=2C =3E which is why you=27ll need a snapshot and not 7=2E0-RELEASE=2C etc=2E= =2E=2E =3E = =3E http=3A//www=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/cgi/cvsweb=2Ecgi/src/sys/dev/bge/if=5Fb= ge=2Ec =3E = =3E Further proof older versions did not have support for this card=3A =3E = =3E http=3A//unix=2Ederkeiler=2Ecom/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2008= - =3E 04/msg01343=2Ehtml =3E 2) Intel 3945ABG=A0wireless card -- appears there is a wpi(4) driver= =3E which is specific to this card model=2C but I believe some people ha= ve =3E reported problems with it (not sure what their issues were=2C just =3E going off of memory of things I=27d seen in the past)=2E =3E = =3E 3) nVidia=A08400M GS video card -- if you plan on using X on this =3E machine=5B1=5D=2C I recommend you install the i386 version of FreeBS= D=A0and = =3E notamd64=2E The nVidia=A0driver for FreeBSD=A0is known to not work = on = =3E amd64=5B2=5D=2EIf you have large amounts of memory in the machine=2C= i386 = =3E will require =3E you use PAE mode=2C which will probably cause you some pain=3B yep=2C= the =3E situation isn=27t user-friendly=2E Linux wins out here=2E =3E = =3E Based on all of the above=2C I=27d recommend you install one of the = =3E FreeBSD7=2E0 snapshots=2C which are newer than 7=2E0-RELEASE=2C just= to = =3E ensure you pick =3E up any wireless card modifications or other fix-ups for stuff that h= as =3E since been addressed since the release of 7=2E0=3A =3E = =3E ftp=3A//ftp=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200807/ =3E = =3E Also=2C if/when you reply=2C please remember to keep the mailing lis= t CC=27d =3E so people can see your responses=2E Just a FYI since this is your f= irst =3E time posting=2E =3E = =3E =5B1=5D=3A I don=27t use X myself=2C but I base this comment on what= I=27ve read =3E time and time again on the mailing lists=2E Others can correct me i= f =3E I=27m wrong=2E =3E = =3E =5B2=5D=3A If you=27re not familiar with FreeBSD=2C know that amd64 = is the = =3E name of =3E the 64-bit version of FreeBSD=2C and does not require an AMD process= or=2E =3E Do not confuse this with ia64=2C which is something *completely* = =3E differentand you do not want it=2E =3E = =3E -- = =3E =7C Jeremy Chadwick jdc at = =3E parodius=2Ecom =7C =3E =7C Parodius Networking = =3E http=3A//www=2Eparodius=2Ecom/ =7C =3E =7C UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View=2C CA=2C= = =3E USA =7C =3E =7C Making life hard for others since 1977=2E PGP=3A = =3E 4BD6C0CB =7C =3E = Thanks jeremy I appreciate the reply=2E Well it looks like the only hardware problems I should run into is the i= ntel 3945 wifi card and some sound issues=2C i=27ve heard that the intel= hda has problems with unix and that only the front two outputs (on the = m1330n) work=3F any chance that there is a iwl3945-ucode driver on freebsd=3F I=27m planning to take the dive this upcoming monday after some reading=2C= so I=27m crossing my fingers and praying that everything works out of t= he box=2E From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 23 02:58:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C17106566B for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB30F8FC15 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 984DB1CC0BF; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:58:55 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: "Macy, Ryan W PV2 NG NG NGB" Message-ID: <20080823025855.GA15921@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <20080823012729.GA12042@eos.sc1.parodius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking to make the jump from linux to unix (freebsd) need to know if xps m1330n is supported? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:58:56 -0000 On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 09:52:20PM -0500, Macy, Ryan W PV2 NG NG NGB wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeremy Chadwick > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008 20:27 > Subject: Re: looking to make the jump from linux to unix (freebsd) need to know if xps m1330n is supported? > To: "Macy, Ryan W PV2 NG NG NGB" > Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:21:59PM -0500, Macy, Ryan W PV2 NG NG > > NGB wrote: > > > Hey guys, first mailing list post... ever! > > > > > > Anyways I spent the last 15 minutes running around on google to > > find out if my dell xps m1330n is supported or not. > > > > > > the machine was built for linux (and works fine, nearly right out of the box) > > so it should pretty much work right? > > > > http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/Products/XPS_M1330n/lspci > > > > I believe all of these devices are supported under FreeBSD. Ones > > worthbeing concerned about: > > > > 1) Broadcom BCM5906M Ethernet NIC -- this NIC probably will not work > > with FreeBSD unless you install one of the snapshot versions. I > > see someone has recently committed support for the BCM5906 series > > to RELENG_6, RELENG_7, and HEAD/CURRENT, but that was 8 weeks ago, > > which is why you'll need a snapshot and not 7.0-RELEASE, etc... > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/bge/if_bge.c > > > > Further proof older versions did not have support for this card: > > > > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2008- > > 04/msg01343.html > > 2) Intel 3945ABG wireless card -- appears there is a wpi(4) driver > > which is specific to this card model, but I believe some people have > > reported problems with it (not sure what their issues were, just > > going off of memory of things I'd seen in the past). > > > > 3) nVidia 8400M GS video card -- if you plan on using X on this > > machine[1], I recommend you install the i386 version of FreeBSD and > > notamd64. The nVidia driver for FreeBSD is known to not work on > > amd64[2].If you have large amounts of memory in the machine, i386 > > will require > > you use PAE mode, which will probably cause you some pain; yep, the > > situation isn't user-friendly. Linux wins out here. > > > > Based on all of the above, I'd recommend you install one of the > > FreeBSD7.0 snapshots, which are newer than 7.0-RELEASE, just to > > ensure you pick > > up any wireless card modifications or other fix-ups for stuff that has > > since been addressed since the release of 7.0: > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200807/ > > > > Also, if/when you reply, please remember to keep the mailing list CC'd > > so people can see your responses. Just a FYI since this is your first > > time posting. > > > > [1]: I don't use X myself, but I base this comment on what I've read > > time and time again on the mailing lists. Others can correct me if > > I'm wrong. > > > > [2]: If you're not familiar with FreeBSD, know that amd64 is the > > name of > > the 64-bit version of FreeBSD, and does not require an AMD processor. > > Do not confuse this with ia64, which is something *completely* > > differentand you do not want it. > > > > -- > > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at > > parodius.com | > > | Parodius Networking > > http://www.parodius.com/ | > > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, > > USA | > > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: > > 4BD6C0CB | > > > > Thanks jeremy I appreciate the reply. > > Well it looks like the only hardware problems I should run into is the intel 3945 wifi card and some sound issues, i've heard that the intel hda has problems with unix and that only the front two outputs (on the m1330n) work? I have no experience with sound on BSD or Linux. I'm also one of those "surround sound should be in theatres only" people, so my own PC audio setup consists of two speakers only. :-) Others will have to help you with audio; sorry about that. > any chance that there is a iwl3945-ucode driver on freebsd? There is support for the Intel 3945ABG chip (I don't know what "ucode" is), but some users have reported certain oddities with it regarding configuration (I believe it had something to do with WPA). I don't remember reading any reports about the driver failing or acting oddly. > I'm planning to take the dive this upcoming monday after some reading, so I'm crossing my fingers and praying that everything works out of the box. Please be sure to report back with your experiences, as others on the list may find your information helpful, ditto with some developers wanting to fix bugs. Thanks! -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |