From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 16:53:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A241065697 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:53:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpagnoni@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f21.google.com (mail-gx0-f21.google.com [209.85.217.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D905D8FC1C for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpagnoni@gmail.com) Received: by gxk14 with SMTP id 14so1586553gxk.19 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:53:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=n+/rpQyoTczQTPVbbdEz5XzUiFoQcZNHAxoZBAtAQZE=; b=IJzxUz1pwyw/T6VlWcOxwkIH5IfHok2bb/OVbxB4v7PR0nxoWPYdirVMkTHjT0jtxD h5+jAKLYKJVvhyiP2bNGWxTA2jTN5ioi7mjVJfRMpNt78g64t7NrglTiJ5Mv8fzSxuPN udIRBcnv1DONHxDzL5d/LlL6tona1wlzAyDMU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=kpMuZdia1H6GNDKKlRunmt49AUmxfg+XuIo0r3Zfcb+JBsGJ8sOte8ATBmCf3HYXxh Ob871HPBLFBgw8VoeyaldwTbtl5mynJDGeQS6b16Hy5qRIMdIjqW0Z2mksCOlUN5WyE0 T6SgWc6lls99VPPh7pi9JEDdGUvgWyJk3SyXw= Received: by 10.143.31.4 with SMTP id i4mr3972356wfj.87.1222965140166; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.31.15 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <92056ebc0810020932w680c593er585dd865ef8af538@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:32:20 +0200 From: "Giuseppe Pagnoni" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:53:13 -0000 Dear FreeBSD experts, I am trying to install FreeBSD 7.0 on a new i386 machine with no OS installed yet. I start the install process with the 1st CD of the distribution, and I go through the partition phase with no problem. However, when I get to the point where I select the installation media (CD/DVD) it says that it cannot find the CD/DVD. I read on the FAQ list on the FreeBSD site that this can happen when the drive is configured as a slave with no master. So I opened up the box, and I saw that the drive has its own ATAPI/IDE cable/slot on the motherboard and the jumpers on the drive are set as MASTER. The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it. I also tried to install Ubuntu and it works fine (but I really would like to have FreeBSD!). On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with FreeBSD? Any help or suggestion will be highly appreciated, thanks in advance giuseppe -- Dip. Scienze Biomediche Sezione Fisiologia Univ. di Modena e Reggio Emilia Via Campi 287 I-41100 Modena, Italy Tel: +39-059-205-5742 Fax: +39-059-205-5363 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 23:18:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FAA1065696 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3EF8FC08 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MpFK1a03E0cQ2SLA2zJq4h; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:18:50 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MzJo1a00B2P6wsM8WzJo8d; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:18:49 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YwmtPnopMWYA:10 a=S0p5oBhICSgA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=bLeoBEqGqm9FnL6FWlkA:9 a=JMrc669OBltp0NKVpRSTBV5wrWIA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3FB01C941A; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:18:48 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Giuseppe Pagnoni Message-ID: <20081002231848.GA13467@icarus.home.lan> References: <92056ebc0810020932w680c593er585dd865ef8af538@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <92056ebc0810020932w680c593er585dd865ef8af538@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:18:51 -0000 On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote: > I am trying to install FreeBSD 7.0 on a new i386 machine with no OS > installed yet. I start the install process with the 1st CD of the > distribution, and I go through the partition phase with no problem. > However, when I get to the point where I select the installation media > (CD/DVD) it says that it cannot find the CD/DVD. > > I read on the FAQ list on the FreeBSD site that this can happen when > the drive is configured as a slave with no master. So I opened up the > box, and I saw that the drive has its own ATAPI/IDE cable/slot on the > motherboard and the jumpers on the drive are set as MASTER. > > The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it. > > I also tried to install Ubuntu and it works fine (but I really would > like to have FreeBSD!). The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly). I wonder if FreeBSD somehow lacks support for this... What confuses me is that you can boot the CD media, and FreeBSD will load kernel modules and a copy of the mini filesystem into memory off the CD, yet it can't actually find the CD come installation time. > On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card > Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with > FreeBSD? Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they used on the P5Q series. I have one of these boards, so I can assure you it's an Attansic L1E. It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114. FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver. 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC. Please download the 7.1-PRERELEASE ISO from here, and try installing using it instead. ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200809/ If finding the CD/DVD media still does not work, let us know and I will try to reproduce the problem on my P5Q SE. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 07:58:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EF61065695; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@fuckner.net) Received: from dedihh.fuckner.net (dedihh.fuckner.net [81.209.183.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6898FC12; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@fuckner.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dedihh.fuckner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E8061DE3; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:39:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at fuckner.net Received: from dedihh.fuckner.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dedihh.fuckner.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id cPVwo8QXASqe; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:39:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from c64.rebootking.de (e176142175.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.176.142.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dedihh.fuckner.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E944C61D77; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:39:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48E5CC2F.4070009@fuckner.net> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:39:27 +0200 From: Michael Fuckner User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080927) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <92056ebc0810020932w680c593er585dd865ef8af538@mail.gmail.com> <20081002231848.GA13467@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081002231848.GA13467@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Giuseppe Pagnoni , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:58:18 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote: >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it. >> >> I also tried to install Ubuntu and it works fine (but I really would >> like to have FreeBSD!). > > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly). I wonder if FreeBSD > somehow lacks support for this... > > What confuses me is that you can boot the CD media, and FreeBSD will > load kernel modules and a copy of the mini filesystem into memory off > the CD, yet it can't actually find the CD come installation time. First sectors are read by the bios, the kernel is loaded and executed. The Kernel doesn't know anything about this Controller, so it can't access the CD. My advice is to disable the crappy Marvell Chip and get a SATA-DVD. I'm sorry, I don't know about the status of the Attansic-Lan. You can add another supported NIC with Intel Chipset or something else that is supported. Regards, Michael! From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 08:25:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B41B106569D for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B68D8FC1F for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d27so861758tid.3 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:24:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=ea8D/nN19r6+rk3V2kdtXSQz0AdSrWPabrQNwrWNhRA=; b=I5k19idYn6laFdOaqutWkL1eHYPvUiyvqLrjzj1jtkmYsi6ovhszH43jfEqNrDv0Q+ F1/wh+2ygSZsRWSPUI9F8T1UJoZTL9YIrHqRiFvPTMeO2Y8tcCXwJNROrEnt6WitJKd+ kk6uSdkTa6Na4m1kPZd9dBo9gzjwM9Ce6HhLE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=jyuQ8ZgR8Bn3OzYnl9WGHH9HwJhP1J1LV4fxhzsVhwD2qtTNBrj6N2Qd5rGN48PlXS XRAxbjdF0APG1gIBQ8Y1yHvZDu7Fo0LPnGlAxpRQOsaKz7KFHOUXC5o1eNV8W2wqakOH GDSaKV83mEco4/eYqizbFpEA/+yBQdT/rr5jM= Received: by 10.110.7.18 with SMTP id 18mr207001tig.32.1223022298449; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr ([211.53.35.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm7775362tia.8.2008.10.03.01.24.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (localhost.cdnetworks.co.kr [127.0.0.1]) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m938MvAL072750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:22:57 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: (from yongari@localhost) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m938MvfT072749; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:22:57 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:22:57 +0900 From: Pyun YongHyeon To: Jeremy Chadwick Message-ID: <20081003082257.GC71518@cdnetworks.co.kr> References: <92056ebc0810020932w680c593er585dd865ef8af538@mail.gmail.com> <20081002231848.GA13467@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081002231848.GA13467@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Giuseppe Pagnoni , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pyunyh@gmail.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:25:01 -0000 On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:18:48PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote: [...] > > > On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card > > Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with > > FreeBSD? > > Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they > used on the P5Q series. I have one of these boards, so I can assure > you it's an Attansic L1E. It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros > AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114. > > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver. > 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC. > If the controller is AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E adapters(also known as L1E) there is no working driver for FreeBSD. Because the controller is quite different from its predecessor L1, new driver should be written for the controller. It's not feasible for me to write the driver until I can actually access the hardware. :-( -- Regards, Pyun YongHyeon From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 10:58:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC62106568F for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6E18FC30 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NAy01a01N0EZKEL53AyWND; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:58:30 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NAyV1a0072P6wsM3MAyVW2; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:58:30 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YwmtPnopMWYA:10 a=S0p5oBhICSgA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=mgvWyDtfee8X05385VgA:9 a=uYtP83LsOH71LjqsjBm1OtraltMA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B0CCAC9419; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 03:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 03:58:28 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Pyun YongHyeon Message-ID: <20081003105828.GA27057@icarus.home.lan> References: <92056ebc0810020932w680c593er585dd865ef8af538@mail.gmail.com> <20081002231848.GA13467@icarus.home.lan> <20081003082257.GC71518@cdnetworks.co.kr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081003082257.GC71518@cdnetworks.co.kr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Giuseppe Pagnoni , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:58:31 -0000 On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 05:22:57PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:18:48PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card > > > Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with > > > FreeBSD? > > > > Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they > > used on the P5Q series. I have one of these boards, so I can assure > > you it's an Attansic L1E. It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros > > AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114. > > > > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver. > > 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC. > > > > If the controller is AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E adapters(also known as > L1E) there is no working driver for FreeBSD. Because the controller > is quite different from its predecessor L1, new driver should be > written for the controller. > It's not feasible for me to write the driver until I can actually > access the hardware. :-( Wow, I was under the impression the L1 and the L1E were identical, except that the L1E was PCI Express-based vs. PCI-based. The Attansic L1E stuff is becoming more and more common here on motherboards in the States. Yong-Hyeon, I can get you a P5Q SE motherboard and send it your way (with CPU + memory as well, if need be), if you'd like. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 14:50:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7411065686 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpagnoni@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f21.google.com (mail-gx0-f21.google.com [209.85.217.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DFF8FC1F for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpagnoni@gmail.com) Received: by gxk14 with SMTP id 14so2593177gxk.19 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:50:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EjO7uOBsXJZfNIMGBdxMPN36OT0gVdGEzb6ooeijd14=; b=kPqr5yhIPQjmzqMi+wJGeEWZgL+43UYIQhUeHIC80Lle/q90VpGrxA2QjvnXZTZMpo cgrULZfHujyCGH1EHKTDage3sOL/o3BC36YTMAEraCeYpuiYbGKlCSI+JYbJhNYLuWjj KQEeEvfnUFw8R2WGwX9hLGLrNYP4nXvHDiLjU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=rUFAER/I+5Bskyd/VV+JavNKXHD2rq0IRWkY8aCBjKrFgFpHnLj5YzK8VP2UlowsY4 Q9elQj3jB5Fcv7myOI1atNdirtiz4s73bThZDEssEJGGpz4bCULMBXi1TcHIiRAD+oeu YVTAHDi0+OcxeTgeLXIQG/wVULKYw7ouB1O6U= Received: by 10.142.231.7 with SMTP id d7mr406238wfh.246.1223045436574; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.31.15 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <92056ebc0810030750g7275e60fw147983fb9efa7ab6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:50:36 +0200 From: "Giuseppe Pagnoni" To: "Jeremy Chadwick" In-Reply-To: <20081002231848.GA13467@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <92056ebc0810020932w680c593er585dd865ef8af538@mail.gmail.com> <20081002231848.GA13467@icarus.home.lan> Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:50:39 -0000 Dear Jeremy, thank you very much for your help. I downloaded the 7.1 prerelease, but unfortunately didn't solve the problem with the CD/DVD. As for the ethernet card, it's a kind of catch 22: to see if the card is working I should install the OS, but I cannot from the DVD. I cannot even install over FTP, because the institution I am in wants my MAC address to allow this pc to connect to internet and I cannot get to the MAC address without installing an OS (at least, I don't know how... I tried an Ubuntu LiveCD, but it doesn't recognize the ethernet card, either). Since I have other problems with this machine, I am thinking about returning it. I wonder whether you could point me to some sure FreeBSD compatible hardware which is in the ballpark of this machine in terms of configuration. I tried to look in the Release Hardware note, but it's a bit difficult for me to match all the hardware codes to their physical counterparts! This is what I have currently: Motherboard: Asus P5Q Pro Processor: INTEL Core 2 Duo E8500 CD/DVD: LG GH22LP20 Graphics: nVidia GeForce 8500GT (512Mb PCI-E) Controller EIDE PCI + SATA 2 RAID (500Gb each) RAM: 4 GB, 800 Mhz (by the way, I never understood if the processor can address or not 4GB... should I just get 3GB?) Thank you very much for any advice, but please ignore this if it takes too much of your time. very best giuseppe On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote: >> I am trying to install FreeBSD 7.0 on a new i386 machine with no OS >> installed yet. I start the install process with the 1st CD of the >> distribution, and I go through the partition phase with no problem. >> However, when I get to the point where I select the installation media >> (CD/DVD) it says that it cannot find the CD/DVD. >> >> I read on the FAQ list on the FreeBSD site that this can happen when >> the drive is configured as a slave with no master. So I opened up the >> box, and I saw that the drive has its own ATAPI/IDE cable/slot on the >> motherboard and the jumpers on the drive are set as MASTER. >> >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it. >> >> I also tried to install Ubuntu and it works fine (but I really would >> like to have FreeBSD!). > > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly). I wonder if FreeBSD > somehow lacks support for this... > > What confuses me is that you can boot the CD media, and FreeBSD will > load kernel modules and a copy of the mini filesystem into memory off > the CD, yet it can't actually find the CD come installation time. > >> On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card >> Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with >> FreeBSD? > > Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they > used on the P5Q series. I have one of these boards, so I can assure > you it's an Attansic L1E. It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros > AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114. > > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver. > 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC. > > Please download the 7.1-PRERELEASE ISO from here, and try installing > using it instead. > > ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200809/ > > If finding the CD/DVD media still does not work, let us know and I will > try to reproduce the problem on my P5Q SE. > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > -- Dip. Scienze Biomediche Sezione Fisiologia Univ. di Modena e Reggio Emilia Via Campi 287 I-41100 Modena, Italy Tel: +39-059-205-5742 Fax: +39-059-205-5363 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 19:18:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E5E106568F for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from fl.us.spammertrap.net (fl.us.spammertrap.net [204.89.241.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E61A8FC19 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:18:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247DCE6061 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:56:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Quarantine-ID: <0wL2YI0ibMAK> X-Virus-Scanned: SpammerTrap(r) SME-150 1.84 at secnap.com X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) by fl.us.spammertrap.net Received: from secnap3.secnap.com (secnap3.secnap.com [204.89.241.130]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92570E605A for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mikes-laptop.secnap.com ([10.70.3.3]) by secnap3.secnap.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:56:01 -0400 Message-ID: <48E66ACE.7060702@secnap.net> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:56:14 -0400 From: Michael Scheidell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: satz@iranger.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2008 18:56:01.0694 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE02DBE0:01C92589] Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel 6300ESB SATA150 cannot find disk or boot under 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:18:20 -0000 Amazingly, this has been going on after a switch from 6.2 (which worked) to 6.3. lots of people have reported it, and we accidentally fixed it (but we can't find documentation on what we fixed). it also doesn't work on 7.0 either. here is a dmsg for a 6.3 one that accidentally works. (i have a kernel that works), tech playing around with it months ago can't remember if he used 6.2 drivers or found an obscure patch. Now that 5.5 is EOL, and we can't get ports for 5.5, it might be important for freebsd folks (in their spare time after 7.1 and 6.4 beta) to fix this. or, at least to fix it in 6.4. Yes, DELL 750, worked fine in 5.5 (lots of 5.5 systems I can't upgrade). suggestions that we replace the (faulty?) hard disk controller cause lots of problems. Its a different tech (more expensive) in the field that has to replace hardware, vs the one who can plug in a 6.3 CD rom and passively watch an automated upgrade. Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p1 #0: Mon Apr 28 20:18:31 EDT 2008 root@someware Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz (2800.11-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf34 Stepping = 4 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x441d Logical CPUs per core: 2 real memory = 1073479680 (1023 MB) avail memory = 1045966848 (997 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 3 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 24-47 on motherboard acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 3.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 em0: port 0xece0-0xecff mem 0xfe3e0000-0xfe3fffff irq 18 at device 1.0 on pci1 em0: Ethernet address: 00:11:43:cd:36:d8 pcib2: at device 28.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 em1: port 0xdcc0-0xdcff mem 0xfe1e0000-0xfe1fffff,0xfe1c0000-0xfe1dffff irq 24 at device 1.0 on pci2 em1: Ethernet address: 00:30:64:05:ef:58 em2: port 0xdc80-0xdcbf mem 0xfe1a0000-0xfe1bffff,0xfe180000-0xfe19ffff irq 25 at device 1.1 on pci2 em2: Ethernet address: 00:30:64:05:ef:59 uhci0: port 0xbce0-0xbcff irq 16 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xbcc0-0xbcdf irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: at device 29.4 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 29.7 (no driver attached) pcib3: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 em3: port 0xccc0-0xccff mem 0xfdee0000-0xfdefffff irq 21 at device 2.0 on pci3 em3: Ethernet address: 00:11:43:cd:36:d9 pci3: at device 14.0 (no driver attached) isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xfea0-0xfeaf at device 31.2 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata1: on atapci0 pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xc8fff,0xc9000-0xc9fff,0xec000-0xeffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec ipfw2 initialized, divert loadable, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, logging disabled acd0: CDROM at ata0-master UDMA33 ad2: 38146MB at ata1-master SATA150 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! 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( $2 Mil Per Mo.To Spend On Surplus Cisco) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:10:53 -0000 The following list of used gear is needed for purchase. This requirement is for used equipment. A new Q4 2008 budget is available to buy surplus Cisco, Nortel, Sun, Avaya, Lucent, Extreme, 3COM, IBM & HP products. I am ready to buy now and can pay the prices listed. Some items are for inventory and others for orders. If you have any situations like customer trade-in, failed deployment, overstock or decommissioned gear, send me a list and I will get you a cash offer immediately. 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I downloaded the 7.1 prerelease, > but unfortunately didn't solve the problem with the CD/DVD. As for > the ethernet card, it's a kind of catch 22: to see if the card is > working I should install the OS, but I cannot from the DVD. Understood. This situation is very frustrating; people often run into on Windows as well ("How do I get the Ethernet driver for my NIC from the web site if Windows doesn't already have support for my NIC?!"). > I cannot even install over FTP, because the institution I am in wants > my MAC address to allow this pc to connect to internet and I cannot > get to the MAC address without installing an OS (at least, I don't > know how... I tried an Ubuntu LiveCD, but it doesn't recognize the > ethernet card, either). Yong-Hyeon covered this; I was incorrect in assuming the Attansic L1E was just a PCI Express version of the L1. They are apparently different chips and are initialised differently. Yong-Hyeon doesn't have access to any hardware which uses the L1E, so writing a driver for it is going to be a bit difficult. :-( If needed, I can ship him an Asus P5Q SE board + CPU/RAM for testing and development (I have the CPU/RAM, but I would need to purchase the board). As far as the ATA/IDE stuff goes, that's going to be more difficult. I'm really surprised FreeBSD doesn't work with it. I might have to experiment with why that is on my own P5Q SE box; this would require Soren Schmidt (ata(4) author)'s involvement. > Since I have other problems with this machine, I am thinking about > returning it. I wonder whether you could point me to some sure > FreeBSD compatible hardware which is in the ballpark of this machine > in terms of configuration. I tried to look in the Release Hardware > note, but it's a bit difficult for me to match all the hardware codes > to their physical counterparts! This is what I have currently: My recommendation would be to keep the motherboard and purchase two pieces of hardware: 1) Intel Pro/1000 PT NIC (PCI Express) -- about US$35-45, 2) Any SATA-based Pioneer DVD drive -- about US$25-30. If you were in the States I'd send you the NIC free of cost, as my way of saying "I'm sorry for all the issues you're having with FreeBSD's hardware support". But I see you're in Italy. :-) If you want to go with another NIC, that's fine too -- I would recommend staying away from Realtek NICs. If you can find an older Intel Pro/100 NIC somewhere, that might be cheaper; those use the fxp(4) driver. This should allow you to get online reliably, and allow you to perform the FreeBSD installation using a SATA-based DVD drive hooked to the ICH controller, rather than the Marvell ATA/IDE controller. When FreeBSD gets support for the Attansic L1E chip, switching over to it would be painless. :-) > RAM: 4 GB, 800 Mhz (by the way, I never understood if the > processor can address or not 4GB... should I just get 3GB?) The processor and system *most definitely* can address more than 4GB. It just depends on how the OS supports it. FreeBSD has two flavours: i386 (32-bit) and amd64 (64-bit). i386 can address up to 4GB of RAM natively (see below), but you will probably only get ~3GB of that usable. The reason is limited memory address space; PCI Express, ACPI, and many other features (I can provide you a list or reference material if you want to see) cause some of the memory addressing space to be taken up. If you install more than 4GB on i386, you will have to use what's known as PAE mode. It's an Intel addressing extension to support >4GB of RAM on i386. There are many problems with it though; there's a performance hit, and there are known issues with drivers and FreeBSD features which you cannot use in PAE mode. When it comes to i386, I recommend people stick with 2 or 3GB, and avoid PAE mode at all costs. amd64 can address up to 256TB of RAM. Don't let the "amd64" term make you think it's intended for AMD processors; it works fine on both Intel and AMD processors. If you plan on installing 4GB or more memory in a system, I recommend considering amd64. However, there's one thing I remember reading somewhere. Someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong -- if you plan on using X Windows on an am64 system, be aware that nVidia does not provide an amd64-compatible video driver for FreeBSD. Hope this helps in your decisions. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 06:22:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272B31065689 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:22:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from satz@iranger.com) Received: from smtpout1.spro.net (smtpout1.spro.net [204.228.238.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FBA8FC16 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from satz@iranger.com) Received: from fnu.iranger.com (49dsl180.dsl.spro.net [206.206.49.180]) by smtpout1.spro.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E81B2DE452; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fnu.iranger.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fnu.iranger.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m94636Sc024364; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:03:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from satz@iranger.com) Received: from 66.117.128.236 (SquirrelMail authenticated user satz) by fnu.iranger.com with HTTP; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:03:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <51738.66.117.128.236.1223100187.squirrel@fnu.iranger.com> In-Reply-To: <48E66ACE.7060702@secnap.net> References: <48E66ACE.7060702@secnap.net> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:03:07 -0600 (MDT) From: satz@iranger.com To: "Michael Scheidell" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: satz@iranger.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel 6300ESB SATA150 cannot find disk or boot under 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:22:05 -0000 It is good to know this problem is larger then just me. It is a real issue in that I cannot begin to use the new port tools using 6.1. This exposes me to current and future security risks unless and until this problem is resolved. I don't know if the developers can determine how much risk there is out there but at least we know it is larger then 1. Anything I can do to help expedite this I will do. Thanks, Greg > Amazingly, this has been going on after a switch from 6.2 (which worked) > to 6.3. > lots of people have reported it, and we accidentally fixed it (but we > can't find documentation on what we fixed). > > it also doesn't work on 7.0 either. > here is a dmsg for a 6.3 one that accidentally works. > (i have a kernel that works), tech playing around with it months ago > can't remember if he used 6.2 drivers or found an obscure patch. > > Now that 5.5 is EOL, and we can't get ports for 5.5, it might be > important for freebsd folks (in their spare time after 7.1 and 6.4 beta) > to fix this. > > or, at least to fix it in 6.4. > > Yes, DELL 750, worked fine in 5.5 (lots of 5.5 systems I can't > upgrade). suggestions that we replace the (faulty?) hard disk > controller cause lots of problems. > Its a different tech (more expensive) in the field that has to replace > hardware, vs the one who can plug in a 6.3 CD rom and passively watch an > automated upgrade. > > Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. > FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p1 #0: Mon Apr 28 20:18:31 EDT 2008 > root@someware > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz (2800.11-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf34 Stepping = 4 > Features=0xbfebfbff > Features2=0x441d > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 1073479680 (1023 MB) > avail memory = 1045966848 (997 MB) > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs > cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 > cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 > ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 > ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 3 > ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard > ioapic1 irqs 24-47 on motherboard > acpi0: on motherboard > acpi0: Power Button (fixed) > Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 > acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 > cpu0: on acpi0 > cpu1: on acpi0 > pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 > pci0: on pcib0 > pcib1: at device 3.0 on pci0 > pci1: on pcib1 > em0: port > 0xece0-0xecff mem 0xfe3e0000-0xfe3fffff irq 18 at device 1.0 on pci1 > em0: Ethernet address: 00:11:43:cd:36:d8 > pcib2: at device 28.0 on pci0 > pci2: on pcib2 > em1: port > 0xdcc0-0xdcff mem 0xfe1e0000-0xfe1fffff,0xfe1c0000-0xfe1dffff irq 24 at > device 1.0 on pci2 > em1: Ethernet address: 00:30:64:05:ef:58 > em2: port > 0xdc80-0xdcbf mem 0xfe1a0000-0xfe1bffff,0xfe180000-0xfe19ffff irq 25 at > device 1.1 on pci2 > em2: Ethernet address: 00:30:64:05:ef:59 > uhci0: port 0xbce0-0xbcff irq 16 at device > 29.0 on pci0 > uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > usb0: on uhci0 > usb0: USB revision 1.0 > uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 > uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered > uhci1: port 0xbcc0-0xbcdf irq 19 at device > 29.1 on pci0 > uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] > usb1: on uhci1 > usb1: USB revision 1.0 > uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 > uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered > pci0: at device 29.4 (no driver attached) > pci0: at device 29.7 (no driver attached) > pcib3: at device 30.0 on pci0 > pci3: on pcib3 > em3: port > 0xccc0-0xccff mem 0xfdee0000-0xfdefffff irq 21 at device 2.0 on pci3 > em3: Ethernet address: 00:11:43:cd:36:d9 > pci3: at device 14.0 (no driver attached) > isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > atapci0: port > 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xfea0-0xfeaf at device 31.2 on pci0 > ata0: on atapci0 > ata1: on atapci0 > pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) > atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on > acpi0 > sio0: type 16550A > orm0: at iomem > 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xc8fff,0xc9000-0xc9fff,0xec000-0xeffff on isa0 > sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> > sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 > sio1: port may not be enabled > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec > ipfw2 initialized, divert loadable, rule-based forwarding enabled, default > to accept, logging disabled > acd0: CDROM at ata0-master UDMA33 > ad2: 38146MB at ata1-master SATA150 > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a > bridge0: Ethernet address: aa:29:32:48:bd:5a > wan: link state changed to UP > con0: link state changed to UP > > > -- > Michael Scheidell, CTO > Phone: 561-999-5000, x 1259 > > *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation > > * Certified SNORT Integrator > * Everything Channel Hot Product of 2008 > * Shaping Information Security Award 2008 > * CRN Magazine Top 40 Emerging Security Vendors > > _________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). > For Information please see http://www.spammertrap.com > _________________________________________________________________________ > > !DSPAM:48e66ac8893435209328925! > > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 06:45:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749531065689 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:45:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597018FC12 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:45:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NWR71a00D0FhH24A9WlGV9; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:45:16 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NWlF1a0042P6wsM8UWlF94; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:45:16 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XPnklGsh4WwA:10 a=9ftUDdrMYeIA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=dI_ydUtoqwCplCWFN0gA:9 a=vvmyEHEgjah_bKnbZ3OwsAEMuPUA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6B24EC9419; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:45:15 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Michael Scheidell Message-ID: <20081004064515.GA48654@icarus.home.lan> References: <48E66ACE.7060702@secnap.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48E66ACE.7060702@secnap.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: satz@iranger.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel 6300ESB SATA150 cannot find disk or boot under 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:45:17 -0000 On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 02:56:14PM -0400, Michael Scheidell wrote: > Amazingly, this has been going on after a switch from 6.2 (which worked) > to 6.3. > lots of people have reported it, and we accidentally fixed it (but we > can't find documentation on what we fixed). > > it also doesn't work on 7.0 either. > here is a dmsg for a 6.3 one that accidentally works. > (i have a kernel that works), tech playing around with it months ago > can't remember if he used 6.2 drivers or found an obscure patch. > > Now that 5.5 is EOL, and we can't get ports for 5.5, it might be > important for freebsd folks (in their spare time after 7.1 and 6.4 beta) > to fix this. > > or, at least to fix it in 6.4. > > Yes, DELL 750, worked fine in 5.5 (lots of 5.5 systems I can't upgrade). > suggestions that we replace the (faulty?) hard disk controller cause lots > of problems. > Its a different tech (more expensive) in the field that has to replace > hardware, vs the one who can plug in a 6.3 CD rom and passively watch an > automated upgrade. A few questions: 1) What does "accidentally works" mean? 2) Do I understand you correctly: 6300ESB works on FreeBSD 5.5 and 6.2, "accidentally works" on 6.3, but does not work on 7.0? 3) Have you tried 7.1-PRERELEASE? I make no promises, but additional confirmation would be helpful. ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200809/ 4) Have you contacted the ata(4) author, Soren Schmidt about this driver regression? 5) Is there a PR open on this matter, or have you filed one? -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 06:51:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBAC106568E for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7408FC13 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d27so1176370tid.3 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:50:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=k2U8/tIc3/zs2yqzviOc3XlmWkyrji4i9pN0dIrjPGY=; b=ZpNgLRuEj8QxFWVUoJb78adhAYQ2U+vPOLs9jyK2v28d1HIKMOsv51ORcOxgNz8ccy vxLPY5bI3AB2LJvb9Z0yXyBn+417KCeN60viN3wXpxf9cS6EoAvZZaAqKuNE9Wo1Zhce 93g9c2grAXijwZ6J/gWafKRGHWSMf5ozT0Awo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=M5OoqB/o8X407rUUhW8iJ3SK91/Cx+ZwI1UV6VQyL7Q+7kzHsGOZtV9PUJNJMBJxe8 HLh4UdH3aNk2uq25++jK9b+MKbOZstW3bhbi1pytoDjk9Dyt89ONVm8GVALU6W/aWM3z mjuCckt9zJ6brcKsDBZL7Yz+FtRa6YBY2015o= Received: by 10.110.69.5 with SMTP id r5mr2105277tia.17.1223103059525; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr ([211.53.35.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y3sm11907212tia.6.2008.10.03.23.50.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (localhost.cdnetworks.co.kr [127.0.0.1]) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m946mxxN076538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:48:59 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: (from yongari@localhost) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m946mwCU076537; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:48:58 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:48:58 +0900 From: Pyun YongHyeon To: Jeremy Chadwick Message-ID: <20081004064858.GE76137@cdnetworks.co.kr> References: <92056ebc0810020932w680c593er585dd865ef8af538@mail.gmail.com> <20081002231848.GA13467@icarus.home.lan> <20081003082257.GC71518@cdnetworks.co.kr> <20081003105828.GA27057@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081003105828.GA27057@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Giuseppe Pagnoni , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pyunyh@gmail.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:51:01 -0000 On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:58:28AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 05:22:57PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:18:48PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card > > > > Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with > > > > FreeBSD? > > > > > > Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they > > > used on the P5Q series. I have one of these boards, so I can assure > > > you it's an Attansic L1E. It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros > > > AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114. > > > > > > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver. > > > 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC. > > > > > > > If the controller is AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E adapters(also known as > > L1E) there is no working driver for FreeBSD. Because the controller > > is quite different from its predecessor L1, new driver should be > > written for the controller. > > It's not feasible for me to write the driver until I can actually > > access the hardware. :-( > > Wow, I was under the impression the L1 and the L1E were identical, > except that the L1E was PCI Express-based vs. PCI-based. > > The Attansic L1E stuff is becoming more and more common here on > motherboards in the States. > Correct. Newer Eee PC also seems to have the controller. > Yong-Hyeon, I can get you a P5Q SE motherboard and send it your way > (with CPU + memory as well, if need be), if you'd like. > Yeah, that would make me write a driver for L1E and I'm willing to do that. I greatly appreciate your support. -- Regards, Pyun YongHyeon From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 06:52:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C4A1065678 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:52:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from parsely.rain.com (parsely.rain.com [199.26.172.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAE48FC12 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (uucp@localhost) by parsely.rain.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with UUCP id m946q6486664 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id GAA19778; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:49:01 GMT Message-Id: <200810040649.GAA19778@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:45:24 PDT." <20081004034524.GA44662@icarus.home.lan> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:49:01 +0100 From: Dieter Subject: Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:52:10 -0000 >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it. I have an older LG PATA combo drive which works ok. Does it show up when booting? (Does dmesg work from the installation shell?) Maybe you need to "kldload atapicam" ? Or is that only needed for writing, I forget... > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly). I wonder if FreeBSD > somehow lacks support for this... 7.0 ata man page claims support for: Marvell 88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, 88SX5081, 88SX6041, 88SX6081, 88SX6101, 88SX6141. > I also tried to install Ubuntu and it works fine (but I really would > like to have FreeBSD!). Have you tried NetBSD or OpenBSD? > > thank you very much for your help. I downloaded the 7.1 prerelease, > > but unfortunately didn't solve the problem with the CD/DVD. As for > > the ethernet card, it's a kind of catch 22: to see if the card is > > working I should install the OS, but I cannot from the DVD. Who says you *have* to install from a DVD? You might be able to install from NetBSD or OpenBSD, or maybe even penguinix. Or connect the disk to some other FreeBSD box. Installing Unix is basically fdisk and/or disklabel, newfs, mount, tar, edit config files, reboot. Sometimes you need to get creative. # mount partition(s) for FreeBSD on /mnt # mount iso on /mnt2 export DESTDIR=/mnt cd /mnt2/7.0-RELEASE for foo in base doc catpages dict games info manpages proflibs ports lib32 do cd ${foo} ./install.sh cd .. done > Understood. This situation is very frustrating; people often run into > on Windows as well ("How do I get the Ethernet driver for my NIC from > the web site if Windows doesn't already have support for my NIC?!"). Plug in a working Ethernet card. Use RS-232 and ppp. CD/DVD attach disk to a working machine etc. etc. > > I cannot even install over FTP, because the institution I am in wants > > my MAC address to allow this pc to connect to internet and I cannot > > get to the MAC address without installing an OS (at least, I don't > > know how... I tried an Ubuntu LiveCD, but it doesn't recognize the > > ethernet card, either). Sometimes the MAC address is printed on a sticker. Copy files to a local machine, ftp from that machine? Copy ISOs to a spare partition somehow. Then mount the ISOs using mdconfig kludge. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 07:33:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2C61065687 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:33:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63398FC14 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:33:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NXXq1a0080vyq2s56XZ6Te; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:33:06 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NXZ41a0072P6wsM3RXZ55h; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:33:06 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YwmtPnopMWYA:10 a=S0p5oBhICSgA:10 a=34CrnHEXAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=1eOLCxcAPqUmmaghFikA:9 a=RVlIjpIIDgaIb-sI3-YA:7 a=BsA-b_l4UsEMiZlqKADqbUkT-gkA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B7C03C9419; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:33:04 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Dieter Message-ID: <20081004073304.GA48931@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081004034524.GA44662@icarus.home.lan> <200810040649.GAA19778@sopwith.solgatos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200810040649.GAA19778@sopwith.solgatos.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:33:07 -0000 On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:49:01PM +0100, Dieter wrote: > >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it. > > I have an older LG PATA combo drive which works ok. > > Does it show up when booting? (Does dmesg work from the installation shell?) > > Maybe you need to "kldload atapicam" ? Or is that only needed for writing, > I forget... > > > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell > > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly). I wonder if FreeBSD > > somehow lacks support for this... > > 7.0 ata man page claims support for: > > Marvell 88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, 88SX5081, 88SX6041, > 88SX6081, 88SX6101, 88SX6141. None of these are what's on the P5Q series boards. The P5Q series boards use a Marvell 88SE6102 Super I/O chip, which also drives IDE/PATA devices. (SATA is driven via ICH10 or ICH10R). I'm left to believe FreeBSD simply lacks support for this very new Marvell chip. I'm willing to bet there is no sign of ata(4) devices nor atapci(4) PCI association during boot-up. > > > I cannot even install over FTP, because the institution I am in wants > > > my MAC address to allow this pc to connect to internet and I cannot > > > get to the MAC address without installing an OS (at least, I don't > > > know how... I tried an Ubuntu LiveCD, but it doesn't recognize the > > > ethernet card, either). > > Sometimes the MAC address is printed on a sticker. This is an on-board NIC/PHY. I'm fairly sure there's no printed label of the MAC on the motherboard, although if there was, I'd say it's probably on the underside/back of the board. http://www.unitycorp.co.jp/asus/motherboard/intel/lga775/p5q_pro/big_photo.jpg I'm going to get Yong-Hyeon a P5Q SE motherboard with CPU and RAM, and ship it to him in South Korea. Once it arrives, he should be able to work on developing a driver for it over the next few months. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 07:34:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD932106568E for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755B68FC17 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NXZ91a00Q1HzFnQ52XZmHz; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:33:46 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NXaB1a0072P6wsM3aXaCzG; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:34:12 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YwmtPnopMWYA:10 a=S0p5oBhICSgA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=noE1rz8-9egkJ1kECxkA:9 a=x8Ykbm0O1u8m4XWqyiE40ZO4CYsA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8EA6DC9419; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:34:11 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Pyun YongHyeon Message-ID: <20081004073411.GA49725@icarus.home.lan> References: <92056ebc0810020932w680c593er585dd865ef8af538@mail.gmail.com> <20081002231848.GA13467@icarus.home.lan> <20081003082257.GC71518@cdnetworks.co.kr> <20081003105828.GA27057@icarus.home.lan> <20081004064858.GE76137@cdnetworks.co.kr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081004064858.GE76137@cdnetworks.co.kr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Giuseppe Pagnoni , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:34:13 -0000 On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 03:48:58PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:58:28AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 05:22:57PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:18:48PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card > > > > > Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with > > > > > FreeBSD? > > > > > > > > Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they > > > > used on the P5Q series. I have one of these boards, so I can assure > > > > you it's an Attansic L1E. It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros > > > > AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114. > > > > > > > > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver. > > > > 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC. > > > > > > > > > > If the controller is AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E adapters(also known as > > > L1E) there is no working driver for FreeBSD. Because the controller > > > is quite different from its predecessor L1, new driver should be > > > written for the controller. > > > It's not feasible for me to write the driver until I can actually > > > access the hardware. :-( > > > > Wow, I was under the impression the L1 and the L1E were identical, > > except that the L1E was PCI Express-based vs. PCI-based. > > > > The Attansic L1E stuff is becoming more and more common here on > > motherboards in the States. > > > > Correct. Newer Eee PC also seems to have the controller. > > > Yong-Hyeon, I can get you a P5Q SE motherboard and send it your way > > (with CPU + memory as well, if need be), if you'd like. > > > > Yeah, that would make me write a driver for L1E and I'm willing to > do that. I greatly appreciate your support. Yong-Hyeon, Please (privately) provide me your address in South Korea and I'll get all of this stuff shipped off to you within the next few weeks. You can keep the hardware, resell it, or ship it back (if you so desire) when finished with it. :-) Thanks! -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 07:39:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0173106568E for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992628FC21 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NXeg1a01V0EZKEL56XfX4K; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:39:31 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NXfW1a0062P6wsM3MXfXcc; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:39:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YwmtPnopMWYA:10 a=S0p5oBhICSgA:10 a=QuQVoCMrAAAA:8 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=x-pM8n_6pN6crAo9fHMA:9 a=tD-U0BidDFxXgCN6NgIA:7 a=jNti6MT29s__MWH4fn0zOW775NUA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6F5E5C9419; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:39:30 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Dieter Message-ID: <20081004073930.GA49756@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081004034524.GA44662@icarus.home.lan> <200810040649.GAA19778@sopwith.solgatos.com> <20081004073304.GA48931@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081004073304.GA48931@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:39:33 -0000 On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 12:33:04AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:49:01PM +0100, Dieter wrote: > > >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close to it. > > > > I have an older LG PATA combo drive which works ok. > > > > Does it show up when booting? (Does dmesg work from the installation shell?) > > > > Maybe you need to "kldload atapicam" ? Or is that only needed for writing, > > I forget... > > > > > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell > > > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly). I wonder if FreeBSD > > > somehow lacks support for this... > > > > 7.0 ata man page claims support for: > > > > Marvell 88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, 88SX5081, 88SX6041, > > 88SX6081, 88SX6101, 88SX6141. > > None of these are what's on the P5Q series boards. The P5Q series > boards use a Marvell 88SE6102 Super I/O chip, which also drives IDE/PATA > devices. (SATA is driven via ICH10 or ICH10R). > > I'm left to believe FreeBSD simply lacks support for this very new > Marvell chip. I'm willing to bet there is no sign of ata(4) devices nor > atapci(4) PCI association during boot-up. Mac folks are seeing the same problem: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=128985 http://www.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t99634.html Wikipedia states the 88SE6121, not the 88SE6102, is used on P5Q series boards. But the P5Q SE motherboard manual states it's a 88SE6102. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvell_Technology_Group_chipsets So either the motherboard manual is wrong, Wikipedia is wrong, or the P5Q SE and P5Q Pro contain different models/versions of ICs. When I get a P5Q SE for Yong-Hyeon, I'll make note of what's silkscreened on the ASIC. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 10:42:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8690D106568A; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:42:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from fl.us.spammertrap.net (fl.us.spammertrap.net [204.89.241.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509A68FC12; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:42:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7479FE605A; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:42:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: SpammerTrap(r) SME-150 1.84 at secnap.com X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) by fl.us.spammertrap.net Received: from secnap3.secnap.com (secnap3.secnap.com [204.89.241.130]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FB2E6031; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 181.sub-70-222-170.myvzw.com ([10.80.0.4]) by secnap3.secnap.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:42:47 -0400 Message-ID: <48E748B3.7000108@secnap.net> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:42:59 -0400 From: Michael Scheidell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <48E66ACE.7060702@secnap.net> <20081004064515.GA48654@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081004064515.GA48654@icarus.home.lan> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2008 10:42:47.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0CA7440:01C9260D] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: satz@iranger.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel 6300ESB SATA150 cannot find disk or boot under 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:42:49 -0000 > A few questions: > > 1) What does "accidentally works" mean? > one of our techs found a patch for 6.3 that worked. > 2) Do I understand you correctly: 6300ESB works on FreeBSD 5.5 and 6.2, > "accidentally works" on 6.3, but does not work on 7.0? > > I have a compiled kernel that works, but we lost the patch. normal 6.3 doesn't. generic 6.3 doesn't. i 6.3 current didn't work. I can send you a dell 750 with 6.3 on it that does work (custom 6.3 kernel, again, lost the source, can't repeduce 'fix' no matter what I tried) even upgraded dell 750 to latest firmware. other anomaly: teying to man times to boot 6.3 hosed a hard disk. fried the hardware (hard disk) somehow. > 3) Have you tried 7.1-PRERELEASE? I make no promises, but additional > confirmation would be helpful. > > not yet. since I didn't see any CLOSED pr talking about fixing it, and all the hardware notes on 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, 7.0 and 7.1 say just it does generic support for SATA150. > ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200809/ > > 4) Have you contacted the ata(4) author, Soren Schmidt > about this driver regression? > > 5) Is there a PR open on this matter, or have you filed one? > > after replying to freebsd-hardware post, I found this, but have found other posts going back to feb 2008. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=127391 -- Michael Scheidell, CTO Phone: 561-999-5000, x 1259 > *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Certified SNORT Integrator * Everything Channel Hot Product of 2008 * Shaping Information Security Award 2008 * CRN Magazine Top 40 Emerging Security Vendors _________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). For Information please see http://www.spammertrap.com _________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 14:29:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34678106568C for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:29:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from satz@iranger.com) Received: from smtpout2.spro.net (smtpout2.spro.net [204.228.238.252]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF10D8FC28 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from satz@iranger.com) Received: from fnu.iranger.com (49dsl180.dsl.spro.net [206.206.49.180]) by smtpout2.spro.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278AA108AC; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fnu.iranger.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fnu.iranger.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m94ETj9Q025477; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:29:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from satz@iranger.com) Received: from 66.117.128.236 (SquirrelMail authenticated user satz) by fnu.iranger.com with HTTP; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:29:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <53691.66.117.128.236.1223130585.squirrel@fnu.iranger.com> In-Reply-To: <20081004064515.GA48654@icarus.home.lan> References: <48E66ACE.7060702@secnap.net> <20081004064515.GA48654@icarus.home.lan> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:29:45 -0600 (MDT) From: satz@iranger.com To: "Jeremy Chadwick" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Michael Scheidell , satz@iranger.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, sos@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Intel 6300ESB SATA150 cannot find disk or boot under 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:29:47 -0000 > A few questions: > > 1) What does "accidentally works" mean? > > 2) Do I understand you correctly: 6300ESB works on FreeBSD 5.5 and 6.2, > "accidentally works" on 6.3, but does not work on 7.0? >From my perspective it is currently working right now for me under 6.1 but I cannot get it to work under 6.3 per the pr. > 3) Have you tried 7.1-PRERELEASE? I make no promises, but additional > confirmation would be helpful. > > ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200809/ I will try this and add the results to the pr. > 4) Have you contacted the ata(4) author, Soren Schmidt > about this driver regression? I just added Soren to this thread. Thanks for the reference. > 5) Is there a PR open on this matter, or have you filed one? I opened http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=127391 a few weeks ago and after it was reclassified it has just sat there. Thanks, Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 21:30:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930411065693; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:30:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from parsely.rain.com (parsely.rain.com [199.26.172.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECEE8FC17; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (uucp@localhost) by parsely.rain.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with UUCP id m94LUnS90782; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id VAA24823; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:29:08 GMT Message-Id: <200810042129.VAA24823@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:00:22 +0200." <20080925190022.GB93308@cicely7.cicely.de> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:29:08 +0100 From: Dieter Cc: Subject: Re: alpha/127248: System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt320-vt510) connected to the server via com to usb adapter and 2-usb hubs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:30:56 -0000 > > Surely a "good" USB to RS-232 bridge (if one exists?) or a RS-232 > > filter/isolator (assuming they exist?) would be *far* less expensive > > than the server class alpha you suggest below. > > It depend on how much RS232 you need and how many slots the OP has free. > Nevertheless a "good" RS232 bridge if needed in number are not cheap > either - ntoe that you can get affordable PCI extenders as well. The PCI expanders I've seen cost almost as much as getting an entire additional machine. > > > > The problem with PCI is the limited number of slots. :-( > > > > > > Well - not realy with server class alphas... > > > > In my world, a "server" means 1-4 full height 19" racks with quite large > > price tags and power&cooling requirements. Some people think a server > > is a pee-cee. So I'm not sure what you mean by "server class alphas". > > Server doesn't mean rack, but beside from a few OEM boards and small > 19" system all alphas have lots of free slots available. > > > I have what I would call a "workstation" class alpha, which cost an > > obscene amount to get 6 PCI slots instead of 4, and at times they are > > all full. So I can't use up a slot just to get a couple more RS-232 > > ports. How many PCI slots does a server class alpha have? > > Well the AS4100 I have already has 8 slots which is not that uncommon > for alpha servers. I'd call an alpha with only 8 slots a workstation class machine. It wouldn't take much to fill up 8 slots. > The real big ones can even have a few hundred slots. A few hundred slots would be server class. And I'm sure a price tag to match, along with floor space, power, and cooling requirements. > > USB to RS-232 bridge could be a good solution, if I knew which > > make&model of bridge worked well with *BSD. Poking around on the web > > I can't even find what chip they have inside. > > Really forget about USB to RS232. > It is not the chip which is the problem it is the principal. > You really need galvanic isolation, because USB can't handle ground > loops, which no cheap device has. > You can use any kind of chip with propper isolation, but then it > is likely more expensive than any other kind of solution. I assume this is marketing driven. Adding a few optos can't increase the manufacturing cost *that* much. Sounds like a market opportunity for someone. > > Do these bridges actually work properly, or do they have gotchas > > like the USB to SATA/PATA bridges? > > The prolific bridges work well enough if you don't have a ground > loop and FTDI chips are better IMHO. Thanks.