From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 15:58:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D9C1065677 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:58:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wisco.disco@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FD08FC08 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:58:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wisco.disco@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1088454nfh.33 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:58:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=hR+1P23ZKaDtmmSZX+dYY5KyQhcnIHtalp5ZUBbzcpM=; b=ibEwNmTVUNwLn3GeefSBoxrmzT3AgTCZIwmuRYTdkNUkCEsJTxunbwTFwTvYCMqbem rcgdjXF2F20opz6s3N+rWzb+aoSWgJbVts/1LXPjC0s6RWn6KYZDZAsQ8jpi7/DEjyei Jv8uNK8DtbiXTj8PNUls4pbJoFhvZQpad6USM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=i32+jBsbCpDjAMhC0/pe1N6YSmkiNUo3XufEoHRxh9PFLlMDeIDX/ALnre6kmFunee 1AHbK0iz0n13pTKJmj3yBEPFlI/COjHiDBrrYhkI5uK+nwdy4cbrKG0wkwM2175d6FvF sFvy6p/1Y7C1o/16pU+tl60g1N8P9Asw6NQR8= Received: by 10.210.70.14 with SMTP id s14mr186002eba.33.1216827127832; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.125.11 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:32:07 -0500 From: "Doug Poland" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@polands.org List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:58:24 -0000 Hello, I'm a long-time FreeBSD user (servers, desktops, laptops) and have lately become disillusioned with the quality of consumer WAPs. In my home I typically run 2 FreeBSD 7.x laptops, a Windows-based laptop, an iMac, and an iPhone. My current WAP is a Linksys WAP54G and is a little over a year old. As this device ages, it frequently locks up and drops connections. This is evident on all the wireless devices I use. Prior to this WAP, I had another WAP54G and it exhibited the same behavior, which is why I replaced it. Prior to that WAP, I had a DLink that had issues. When I connect on a FreeBSD laptop, I'm typically connecting to my fast desktop running XDMCP. In this environment, I'm particularly sensitive to dropouts and connection issues between my WAP and mobile device. My current WAP54G is getting so unreliable that I cannot run remote X and be productive, so I'm in the market to replace the Linksys WAP54G. I'm not pleased with the experience's I've had at the consumer level. I'm not well-informed about products on the commercial level, other than Cisco WAPs are $500+. I've toyed with the idea of using an old PIII and turning it into a WAP, or going with something like a Soekris net5501 and building my own. I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to get it? I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to go up to commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my own Soekris net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 16:21:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E567A1065670 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:21:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [69.12.149.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1C48FC1F for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:21:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Received: from trouble.errno.com (trouble.errno.com [10.0.0.248]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.13.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m6NGL28M041186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <48875A6E.7040000@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:21:02 -0700 From: Sam Leffler Organization: FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doug@polands.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: ebb.errno.com; whitelist Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:21:04 -0000 Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a long-time FreeBSD user (servers, desktops, laptops) and have lately > become disillusioned with the quality of consumer WAPs. In my home I > typically run 2 FreeBSD 7.x laptops, a Windows-based laptop, an iMac, and an > iPhone. My current WAP is a Linksys WAP54G and is a little over a year > old. As this device ages, it frequently locks up and drops connections. > This is evident on all the wireless devices I use. Prior to this WAP, I had > another WAP54G and it exhibited the same behavior, which is why I replaced > it. Prior to that WAP, I had a DLink that had issues. > > When I connect on a FreeBSD laptop, I'm typically connecting to my fast > desktop running XDMCP. In this environment, I'm particularly sensitive to > dropouts and connection issues between my WAP and mobile device. > > My current WAP54G is getting so unreliable that I cannot run remote X and be > productive, so I'm in the market to replace the Linksys WAP54G. I'm not > pleased with the experience's I've had at the consumer level. I'm not > well-informed about products on the commercial level, other than Cisco WAPs > are $500+. I've toyed with the idea of using an old PIII and turning it > into a WAP, or going with something like a Soekris net5501 and building my > own. > > I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to get it? > I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to go up to > commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my own Soekris > net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. > > What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? > > Stick to a commercial product if at all possible. In the wireless world you usually get what you pay for--cheapo residential devices will not make you happy. I've had reasonable luck with this device: http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?cPath=32&products_id=385 and with Apple products. I use this stuff purely as an AP (e.g. no routing, dhcp, dns, nat, etc.) except for my TimeCapsule which services backups. Some folks speak glowingly of OpenWRT (linux-based wireless distro) but I have no personal experience. Sam From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 16:34:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75C61065671 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brix@FreeBSD.org) Received: from solow.pil.dk (relay.pil.dk [195.41.47.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60A18FC13 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brix@FreeBSD.org) Received: from tirith.brixandersen.dk (0x55534f5f.adsl.cybercity.dk [85.83.79.95]) by solow.pil.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563D31CC0E4 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:18:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tirith.brixandersen.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A2BC111439; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:18:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:18:12 +0200 From: Henrik Brix Andersen To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080723161812.GD84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d8Lz2Tf5e5STOWUP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.brixandersen.dk/files/HenrikBrixAndersen.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:34:05 -0000 --d8Lz2Tf5e5STOWUP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:32:07AM -0500, Doug Poland wrote: > I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to get it? > I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to go up to > commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my own Soekris > net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. >=20 > What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? I too have seen the stability problems with Linksys WRT54G and friends. At home, I use a Soekris net4801 with an atheros-based 802.11g miniPCI card and FreeBSD 7-STABLE (nanobsd) with hostapd(8) configured for WPA2-PSK CCMP. I use a few different STAs on a daily basis - a couple of laptops running FreeBSD, a laptop running Windows XP and and iPhone. None of these have seen any stability issues with my FreeBSD/hostapd based AP for the past couple of years (although I had to adjust a few ath(4) parameters back when I initially configured my AP to make it work flawlessly with Windows XP). All-in-all, I can highly recommend FreeBSD as a homebrew AP platform. Brix --=20 Henrik Brix Andersen --d8Lz2Tf5e5STOWUP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: GnuPG signed iEYEARECAAYFAkiHWcMACgkQv+Q4flTiePgiQgCglmY+ACZRAqBEjUr8aD3u5F0/ 4qUAn1aVTeKtTYeh7iYtSUXziM0hoqQV =UQOv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d8Lz2Tf5e5STOWUP-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 17:22:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19406106567D for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matheusber@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39A38FC25 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matheusber@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so408454yxb.13 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:22:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:message-id :in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:to:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:importance:sender; bh=FawdFvecv7cWSe3nLOE3sCCK3zYeOnreDde1ZXrubyU=; b=In8PukR9NJLPDGxWow0xu9sHbpIX0B394P5p0HPyPdEBLooF8J1CVt+brnGSkLx75l aE/lVpghSPIvmVVfEuB5t0soaGjYWBEV+73S02WX61dfVJ+fJaU1wcBfhX9sFanqQHsc DOXjElpBifhO4Y1nO8wA00XzpvI8OMQpqEAXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:to:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :importance:sender; b=UxnQpgmXRPWzRpzN0PxGssNUOq1ArIU3rLWEoJtLdvO7NG1lxUCDMGdQNCLQAz7+gr EWDDA/fJhJmCrTHTe4om35/OXEBBUypx2bawk1OPCvI3vrdrJ3hXFSc1VMjQpCBj9cSl DUSo/wDbzlxrEBRCb71gYNGu9lVBQDx5yGhI4= Received: by 10.150.205.13 with SMTP id c13mr425871ybg.183.1216832327678; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cygnus.homeunix.com ( [189.71.52.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm322761ywp.3.2008.07.23.09.58.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cygnus.homeunix.com (Postfix, from userid 80) id 2FA70110; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:58:42 -0300 (BRT) Received: from 200.252.157.118 (proxying for 10.12.1.211, 10.12.1.3) (SquirrelMail authenticated user matheus@eternamente.info) by cygnus.homeunix.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:58:42 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <9e3c7d9221597de62d0888e222f17dea.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20080723161812.GD84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> References: <20080723161812.GD84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:58:42 -0300 (BRT) From: "Nenhum_de_Nos" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sender: Nenhum_de_Nos Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:22:49 -0000 On Wed, July 23, 2008 13:18, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:32:07AM -0500, Doug Poland wrote: >> I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to get >> it? >> I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to go up to >> commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my own Soekris >> net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. >> >> What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? > > I too have seen the stability problems with Linksys WRT54G and > friends. > > At home, I use a Soekris net4801 with an atheros-based 802.11g miniPCI > card and FreeBSD 7-STABLE (nanobsd) with hostapd(8) configured for > WPA2-PSK CCMP. > > I use a few different STAs on a daily basis - a couple of laptops > running FreeBSD, a laptop running Windows XP and and iPhone. None of > these have seen any stability issues with my FreeBSD/hostapd based AP > for the past couple of years (although I had to adjust a few ath(4) > parameters back when I initially configured my AP to make it work > flawlessly with Windows XP). > > All-in-all, I can highly recommend FreeBSD as a homebrew AP platform. > > Brix > -- > Henrik Brix Andersen if you could share those adjustable params of you, as I also have an AP based on atheros and FreeBSD 7-STABLE and when heavily used it dies. The client that makes this is another FreeBSD 7-STABLE, also atheros based (laptop from asus - F3T). There are also other two notebooks around, Windows Vista based and their owners never complain. One is a Lineage player (I think is the most it uses from the network). just another info, since forever when boots this AP box allways complains about a interrupt storm on the atheros irq. moments after it stops. thanks, matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 18:18:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD334106564A for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brix@FreeBSD.org) Received: from solow.pil.dk (relay.pil.dk [195.41.47.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986CE8FC15 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brix@FreeBSD.org) Received: from tirith.brixandersen.dk (0x55534f5f.adsl.cybercity.dk [85.83.79.95]) by solow.pil.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164A61CC0AF for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:18:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tirith.brixandersen.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2666D11436; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:18:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:18:11 +0200 From: Henrik Brix Andersen To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080723181811.GE84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> References: <20080723161812.GD84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> <9e3c7d9221597de62d0888e222f17dea.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="B0nZA57HJSoPbsHY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9e3c7d9221597de62d0888e222f17dea.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> X-PGP-Key: http://www.brixandersen.dk/files/HenrikBrixAndersen.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:18:14 -0000 --B0nZA57HJSoPbsHY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 01:58:42PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: > if you could share those adjustable params of you, as I also have an AP > based on atheros and FreeBSD 7-STABLE and when heavily used it dies. The > client that makes this is another FreeBSD 7-STABLE, also atheros based > (laptop from asus - F3T). I had to make adjustments to the hw.ath.hal.sw_brt and hw.ath.hal.dma_brt sysctls to make the values better suited for the PCI bus of the soekris. Brix --=20 Henrik Brix Andersen --B0nZA57HJSoPbsHY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: GnuPG signed iEYEARECAAYFAkiHdeMACgkQv+Q4flTiePjSmACfaWeoOJH6VF8bpeSU0WDVrq8a TiYAniHk1UafKjHrjuT8Xny4SD1RXgvb =3msZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --B0nZA57HJSoPbsHY-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 18:44:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7E81065687 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@swaggi.com) Received: from rusty.swaggy.net (rusty.swaggy.net [204.14.85.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CCA8FC12 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@swaggi.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=swaggi.com) by rusty.swaggy.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KLjAm-000Km6-TT; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:34:50 -0400 From: "Yuri Lukin" To: doug@polands.org,freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:34:48 -0400 Message-Id: <20080723183152.M82033@swaggi.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: swaggi.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:44:15 -0000 On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:32:07 -0500, Doug Poland wrote > > I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to > get it? I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to > go up to commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my > own Soekris net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. > > What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? > I went the DIY route and got a few Soekris Net45xx and PC Engines WRAP 2C boards with Atheros cards running CURRENT. You can check out some products from vendors like wlanparts.com, wisp-router.com and hyperlinktech.com. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 18:59:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02ED106566C for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx23.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822F48FC08 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 27629 invoked by uid 399); 23 Jul 2008 18:33:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTPAM; 23 Jul 2008 18:33:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Sender: dougb@dougbarton.us Message-ID: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:33:09 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080606) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doug@polands.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:59:51 -0000 Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a long-time FreeBSD user (servers, desktops, laptops) and have lately > become disillusioned with the quality of consumer WAPs. This is an are where you usually get what you pay for, unless you are unlucky enough to buy something expensive that sucks. :-/ I personally have had very good luck with the older versions (4 and 3.1) of the Linksys WRT54G (the models that were Linux based). I've run various 3rd party firmwares, as well as the stock firmware and always had good results. The ones I'm running now are 3 years old and not showing any signs of slowing down. I'm currently running X-Wrt which is the OpenWrt code base with a better web interface and bug fixes. The OpenWrt developers froze their "whiterussian" release sometime back to focus on development for their new "kamikaze" branch, but that branch has taken a few left turns and hasn't settled down yet. You can read about the differences on the OpenWrt web site. I'm happy with the latest build of the X-Wrt whiterussian branch. Use the default_extra version since it includes the wireless stuff. I am also using tunnelbroker.net to add native-looking IPv6 to my home network. Here is what I did to accomplish that: http://www.tunnelbroker.net/forums/index.php?topic=106.0 Finally, Warner posted a good article on how to roll your own with FreeBSD: http://bsdimp.blogspot.com/2008/07/quick-guide-to-freebsd-hostap-for.html hth, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 19:15:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493FA106566C; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351A58FC1D; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from max.local (rrcs-74-218-226-253.se.biz.rr.com [74.218.226.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6NIucJP036887; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:56:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:56:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <9e3c7d9221597de62d0888e222f17dea.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> <20080723181811.GE84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> In-Reply-To: <20080723181811.GE84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> X-Face: #X5#Y*q>F:]zT!DegL3z5Xo'^MN[$8k\[4^3rN~wm=s=Uw(sW}R?3b^*f1Wu*.<=?utf-8?q?of=5F4NrS=0A=09P*M/9CpxDo!D6?=)IY1w<9B1jB; tBQf[RU-R<,I)e"$q7N7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807231456.58624.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Henrik Brix Andersen Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:15:21 -0000 On Wednesday 23 July 2008, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 01:58:42PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: > > if you could share those adjustable params of you, as I also have an AP > > based on atheros and FreeBSD 7-STABLE and when heavily used it dies. > > The client that makes this is another FreeBSD 7-STABLE, also atheros > > based (laptop from asus - F3T). > > I had to make adjustments to the hw.ath.hal.sw_brt and > hw.ath.hal.dma_brt sysctls to make the values better suited for the > PCI bus of the soekris. FWIW I'm happy with my FreeBSD- and Atheros-based access point and I didn't have to do anything special to get it working properly. I was already using the FreeBSD box as a NAT gateway though so YMMV. I've had good luck with some D-Link products but it depends on the (individual) device, and I agree with the OP's sentiments about "consumer" quality hardware. JN From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 19:53:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFD41065670; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@gnat.com) Received: from rock.gnat.com (rock.gnat.com [205.232.38.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B968FC0A; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@gnat.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by filtered-rock.gnat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCAD2A972E; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rock.gnat.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rock.gnat.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id jIBaAYkz9NOf; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nile.gnat.com (nile.gnat.com [205.232.38.5]) by rock.gnat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AAD2A972B; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nile.gnat.com (Postfix, from userid 4193) id DB192227B25; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:35:40 -0400 From: Albert Lee To: John Nielsen Message-ID: <20080723193540.GA10807@adacore.com> References: <9e3c7d9221597de62d0888e222f17dea.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> <20080723181811.GE84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> <200807231456.58624.lists@jnielsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200807231456.58624.lists@jnielsen.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Henrik Brix Andersen , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:53:52 -0000 On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 02:56:58PM -0400, John Nielsen wrote: > I've had good luck with some D-Link products but it depends on the > (individual) device, and I agree with the OP's sentiments about "consumer" > quality hardware. D-Link's DGL-4300 works wonderfully for me. I did a fair amount of research before settling on this, and the reviews I read do bash some D-Link devices but the 4300 seems to be a solid product. If I had to do it all over again I'd get a Cisco 851W which is a router with wireless access point built in. -Albert From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 20:26:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B192106564A for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:26:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: from sysmon.tcworks.net (sysmon.tcworks.net [65.66.76.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535B48FC13 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:26:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: from sysmon.tcworks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sysmon.tcworks.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NKDoG6046315 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:13:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: (from lambert@localhost) by sysmon.tcworks.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m6NKDo7x046314 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:13:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) X-Authentication-Warning: sysmon.tcworks.net: lambert set sender to lambert@lambertfam.org using -f Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:13:50 -0500 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080723201350.GA25560@sysmon.tcworks.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:26:48 -0000 On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:32:07AM -0500, Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a long-time FreeBSD user (servers, desktops, laptops) and have lately > become disillusioned with the quality of consumer WAPs. > > I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to get it? > I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to go up to > commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my own Soekris > net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. > > What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? If you do go the homebrew route, be sure to check out www.pfSense.org. I've not used it as a WAP, yet, but it makes a dandy embedded FreeBSD/pf router. There are several small form factor boards you can use to do this. Using the Soekris/other SBC setup would probably save you money long term versus just putting it on a PIII. But you could see if that general idea works for you on a spare PIII before deciding to spend the real money. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 01:09:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2D0106566B for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbennett@claritysoftwaresystems.com) Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684138FC1F for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbennett@claritysoftwaresystems.com) X-Authenticated-User: mbennett.claritysoftwaresystems.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (12-208-73-12.client.mchsi.com [12.208.73.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6NMoDU9012491 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:50:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:50:20 -0500 From: Mark Bennett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:09:28 -0000 > I'm currently running X-Wrt which is the OpenWrt code base with a > better web interface and bug fixes. You might also look at dd-wrt here: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page I purchased and flashed a Linksys WRT54g Version 8 device, and used it at home for a few weeks with zero problems. I'm planning to install it for a commercial client. I became frustrated with the feature set on reasonably priced APs (try finding one that you can bridge to another AP securely, and good luck to you), as well as unreliable performance. Short of going to a Cisco or some other commercial level product, this seemed to be the best route. dd-wrt has a very full feature set. Some of the hardware mentioned on the dd-wrt site is commercial grade, look at Ubiquti among others. Good luck, Mark From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 01:14:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9B2106566B for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [69.12.149.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2240C8FC08 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Received: from trouble.errno.com (trouble.errno.com [10.0.0.248]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.13.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m6O1EMuP044997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:14:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4887D76E.2070901@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:14:22 -0700 From: Sam Leffler Organization: FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bennett References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> In-Reply-To: <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: ebb.errno.com; whitelist Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:14:26 -0000 Mark Bennett wrote: >> I'm currently running X-Wrt which is the OpenWrt code base with a >> better web interface and bug fixes. > > You might also look at dd-wrt here: > > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > I purchased and flashed a Linksys WRT54g Version 8 device, and used it > at home for a few weeks with zero problems. I'm planning to install it > for a commercial client. I became frustrated with the feature set on > reasonably priced APs (try finding one that you can bridge to another AP > securely, and good luck to you), as well as unreliable performance. > Short of going to a Cisco or some other commercial level product, this > seemed to be the best route. dd-wrt has a very full feature set. > > Some of the hardware mentioned on the dd-wrt site is commercial grade, > look at Ubiquti among others. Good luck, FreeBSD HEAD is the only open source system that does Dynamic WDS (DWDS). If you want to "bridge to another AP securely" it is the really the only thing to use. Sam From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 14:34:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4552D106566B; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from tinker.exit.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:47e::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144D48FC1D; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from jill.exit.com (jill.exit.com [IPv6:2001:470:80f4:0:2e0:81ff:fe33:7e9a]) by tinker.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OEU4vY081117; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=exit.com; s=tinker; t=1216909804; bh=0S9gHm3XhwnEGv5UyH0suPxV138FvSiWyUx4NitgGik=; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version; b=hj7jQ7gS BjkZZ+pkDvdCXaHn8vVg61+ijMXJtbUUR8ZZ9VLpsruniYRobaivLAUOIMjtueT1ZQg fDncoTB9EnJIreYXRiDpk9LoTSMckzZ2P0lzA21QR9KebZIhndyhgwaZwoY8qQoj7Sb BgTTov6L7haP58RcU9/vjlmZDv6pY= Received: from jill.exit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OEYXxg002465; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by jill.exit.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m6OEYXoO002464; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) X-Authentication-Warning: jill.exit.com: frank set sender to frank@exit.com using -f From: Frank Mayhar To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Exit Consulting Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:34:32 -0700 Message-Id: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93/7404/Sun Jun 8 09:19:18 2008 on tinker.exit.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-hackers Subject: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: frank@exit.com List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:34:34 -0000 My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15" screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * >4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 15:07:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232DE1065673 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:07:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zam4ever@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41448FC19 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zam4ever@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id h53so384568hsh.11 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:07:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=e2xrCw+qIfxhFOKap5MQunt1ODwx6AMAAppVoRFuyY4=; b=v4CdaToSKE0D6OkPT8E04ZCSbrxlirYlcuB7lQwn7gGxhWf8Ge8Kmnlxn7NzAdKCfg y8wU2d9l6NRT61bWtzDVKHFxfQNJquA2k85NB6qvfRHlFB8ViJAD1/TbNx2EGig6m02y VHquXGxJJhFDJvNxtksac5pfH16kfbuOE3jts= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=GAaCKbm52vzuH3cV9iVc97LJJWv6IJHqh1oTP0elrSDDJvPh20dFzh95Nn8xElE72w +agwk9H0Q3aK1yV5qH6Z7uu9VRA3UmT4QHv04cW0HukRz2pwHA3kkgsPM+f+6GrVImIr S5wqx2JZ5e34FKZe9aJA50ScZLaJLtOVlg2KU= Received: by 10.100.253.5 with SMTP id a5mr685786ani.5.1216910362677; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.232.16 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:39:22 +0800 From: "Zamri Besar" To: frank@exit.com In-Reply-To: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:07:57 -0000 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > read -mobile). > > My criteria: > * 3D acceleration. > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > anyway). > * At least 15" screen. > * Decent power consumption. > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > > Nice to have: > * Dual core. > * >4GB memory. > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > breath). > > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > ordering/installing it. > > If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following articles for further tips/advices: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile -- Thank you. -zamri- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 20:39:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175711065676 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA5B8FC21 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B7A2F1CC0A0; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:21:40 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Zamri Besar Message-ID: <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:39:02 -0000 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > > read -mobile). > > > > My criteria: > > * 3D acceleration. > > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > > anyway). > > * At least 15" screen. > > * Decent power consumption. > > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > > > > Nice to have: > > * Dual core. > > * >4GB memory. > > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > > breath). > > > > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for > > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > > ordering/installing it. > > > > > > If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer > T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following > articles for further tips/advices: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html > http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ > http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html > > and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), which you can disable: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from Lenovo. Draw your own conclusions. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 21:04:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94461065671 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matheusber@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB118FC17 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matheusber@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so2268833pyb.10 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:04:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:message-id :in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:to:cc:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :importance:sender; bh=FJV/+l65l7NGzTq6v9dwoUmgk14VwxYPPTEKMpNweFo=; b=MiVrE+ljJXGnXx/FKBktQxXKXJZofHspHdMaNgYbBrDsBCIZvMCqnv5KP9lObFR4UY Jx+kZfG1BJxJSgtRTzxg3LHXt4O3+ErNEADrvmxTclmUjUjfbR0X3IMkmIYN4l8Ex2bx JJ3DzLOdBz9askJpXCHsifOE0eqhF7kIEbtmo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:to:cc :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:importance:sender; b=jgOcXoCm+kY8W6RKBpVbJjL4tN+/PQVCWpYHPCJd5bcUjGIvwitFAeofmtTyiz/wLX wZqZ3pYNR9xwPhj6mDrg8YVUrX3TeRs2O6IKn2/0X31R39IRXCXLc1ewDTFe2MIHldfT JG6WzRxzK8cUHJIJWbPLsh4E27OFeaYI445VU= Received: by 10.65.116.9 with SMTP id t9mr1363977qbm.51.1216933484871; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cygnus.homeunix.com ( [189.71.78.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 25sm12701598qbw.1.2008.07.24.14.04.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cygnus.homeunix.com (Postfix, from userid 80) id 10219121; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:04:37 -0300 (BRT) Received: from 200.252.157.118 (proxying for 10.12.1.211, 10.12.1.3) (SquirrelMail authenticated user matheus@eternamente.info) by cygnus.homeunix.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:04:37 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <6052d0c1b836ba4c65d70293dc6488e1.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:04:37 -0300 (BRT) From: "Nenhum_de_Nos" To: "Jeremy Chadwick" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sender: Nenhum_de_Nos Cc: Zamri Besar , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:04:46 -0000 On Thu, July 24, 2008 17:21, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: >> >> > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >> sigh, >> > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >> > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >> > read -mobile). >> > >> > My criteria: >> > * 3D acceleration. >> > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >> > anyway). >> > * At least 15" screen. >> > * Decent power consumption. >> > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >> > >> > Nice to have: >> > * Dual core. >> > * >4GB memory. >> > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >> > breath). >> > >> > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it >> for >> > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >> > ordering/installing it. >> > >> > >> >> If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer >> T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check >> following >> articles for further tips/advices: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html >> http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ >> http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html >> >> and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series > (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. > Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when > idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU > (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at > almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the > laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): > > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html > > Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which > fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't > hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power > saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), > which you can disable: > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises > > Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, > specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large > number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from > Lenovo. > > Draw your own conclusions. > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" My Asus F3T behaves very alike. The GPU gets too much hot and then everything else suffers. Although I never saw any temperature based forced shutdown, I can't say its impossible. Well, I read in the net that Turions are really much hotter, but when running windows and some linux it is not that hot. apart from this, and the last year harddisk load_cycle-will-kill-your-hd bug, everything but the sound volume works fine. Atheros wifi is ok, nfe based ethernet is ok, just never had any device to test bluetooth. the nVidia vga also runs fine. matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 21:33:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805AD106566C for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbennett@claritysoftwaresystems.com) Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8A38FC08 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbennett@claritysoftwaresystems.com) X-Authenticated-User: mbennett.claritysoftwaresystems.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (12-208-73-12.client.mchsi.com [12.208.73.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6OLWsU1027160 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:33:03 -0400 Message-ID: <4888F509.6030508@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:32:57 -0500 From: Mark Bennett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> <4887D76E.2070901@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <4887D76E.2070901@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:33:05 -0000 Sam, > FreeBSD HEAD is the only open source system that does Dynamic WDS > (DWDS). If you want to "bridge to another AP securely" it is the > really the only thing to use. I won't argue that your knowledge of the capabilities of FreeBSD wireless surpass mine, and probably that of anyone else. But I will bring up a couple of points. First, I have been watching this list and others related to FreeBSD for 2-3 years, as well as working with the O/S when time allows, which is rare. This is the first time in my recollection that I have seen the term "FreeBSD HEAD" used. What is that? It certainly isn't mentioned in the on-line documentation that I can find. I get a lot of hits when I Google it, but no real definition. Dynamic Wireless Distribution System I understand. I also understand I could setup a desktop or laptop as an AP, which is documented very well. Nothing in the docs on DWDS that I can find. Maybe that capability is automagically accomplished when two APs are setup? No, I'm a little too skeptical to believe that. When I came across dd-wrt I was actually looking for a wireless FreeBSD system embedded on an appliance. I never found one. Do you know of one? I would certainly be interested in that. dd-wrt is Linux based and I distrust Linux for many reasons, but it's sure better than the firmware that ships with most wireless appliances. Most hardware APs say they will bridge or relay to another AP, but when you dig into it a little you will find that they only support WEP encryption, which I will not use. That is a key requirement, at minimum the full support of WPA across the entire network. Thanks, Mark From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 21:48:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555ED1065680 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [69.12.149.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECCF8FC15 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Received: from trouble.errno.com (trouble.errno.com [10.0.0.248]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.13.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m6OLm7cv052566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4888F897.5040609@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:48:07 -0700 From: Sam Leffler Organization: FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bennett References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> <4887D76E.2070901@freebsd.org> <4888F509.6030508@claritysoftwaresystems.com> In-Reply-To: <4888F509.6030508@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: ebb.errno.com; whitelist Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:48:11 -0000 Mark Bennett wrote: > Sam, > >> FreeBSD HEAD is the only open source system that does Dynamic WDS >> (DWDS). If you want to "bridge to another AP securely" it is the >> really the only thing to use. > > I won't argue that your knowledge of the capabilities of FreeBSD > wireless surpass mine, and probably that of anyone else. But I will > bring up a couple of points. > > First, I have been watching this list and others related to FreeBSD > for 2-3 years, as well as working with the O/S when time allows, which > is rare. This is the first time in my recollection that I have seen > the term "FreeBSD HEAD" used. What is that? It certainly isn't > mentioned in the on-line documentation that I can find. I get a lot > of hits when I Google it, but no real definition. HEAD = "top of trunk"; i.e. the latest code in the tree. > > Dynamic Wireless Distribution System I understand. I also understand > I could setup a desktop or laptop as an AP, which is documented very > well. Nothing in the docs on DWDS that I can find. Maybe that > capability is automagically accomplished when two APs are setup? No, > I'm a little too skeptical to believe that. DWDS is WDS negotiated over a regular infrastucture peering; i.e. you piggyback on the normal sta->ap association. Because there is a normal association you can use existing facilities like WPA to secure the WDS links. You also can name endpoints by SSID or whatever and peers follow an AP that changes channels (e.g. due to radar detection). Yes some WDS implementations have some of these features but they are basically adhoc and don't fit into the original WDS notions where peer relationships are fixed and based on BSSID. If you want to learn about the mechanics there are test scripts in the tools/tools/net80211/scripts directory. Otherwise I've not written up anything specific. DWDS was jointly developed with Apple and Atheros and is what Apple uses in their Airport+TimeCapsule products. > > When I came across dd-wrt I was actually looking for a wireless > FreeBSD system embedded on an appliance. I never found one. Do you > know of one? I would certainly be interested in that. > > dd-wrt is Linux based and I distrust Linux for many reasons, but it's > sure better than the firmware that ships with most wireless > appliances. Most hardware APs say they will bridge or relay to > another AP, but when you dig into it a little you will find that they > only support WEP encryption, which I will not use. That is a key > requirement, at minimum the full support of WPA across the entire > network. > You get WPA for free w/ DWDS. The *user-level code* in HEAD is not production quality IMO but good enough for demonstration. At some point the code in tools/tools/net80211/wlanwds should be integrated with hostapd. Sam From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 23:10:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721BD106564A for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesfrancistoy@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401348FC14 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesfrancistoy@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so3800994rvf.43 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:10:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=jfnVd/vUOiKfJo4nXC+BksdOENDeC0zxxLr+P3u8Gko=; b=ivPlS/5O5jhQJsaBBDnBa1wKzH/8mHnlmnxwTjo9CnGq32H4e0Hj9VGBBugYtDmjkw nme7LR6Xbp7TeMMnhq9y1xtkj27dBorW6RwrMtHBQnF4OReYJsX43yAO/Fnqg0R2FRWa /7JHBETduBb8lbrZoeod0Sg1nKHk/+wypPHjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=sPG0b5AWE7lg9x91dgaCPpPalbsMvs29QRMpLDcXPC+E2qFZW2CnShwXDspxoeGnxh MFyNjRO1IzHRVWe52gwcMol6FFrH+/ac2JbPrv6ICNEfkF+uhqDC7he97leO1W9bP+tc FAjcBSiLoOmHObL97d0bakzHMnb+7HTj8oF2s= Received: by 10.140.148.3 with SMTP id v3mr507553rvd.57.1216939368023; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.137.17 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f8af95f0807241542p1954fe67pff35966f495c9618@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:42:47 -0400 From: jt Sender: jamesfrancistoy@gmail.com To: Nenhum_de_Nos In-Reply-To: <6052d0c1b836ba4c65d70293dc6488e1.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <6052d0c1b836ba4c65d70293dc6488e1.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0261968edfcca0b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Zamri Besar , Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:10:45 -0000 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: > > On Thu, July 24, 2008 17:21, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: > >> > >> > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, > >> sigh, > >> > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > >> > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > >> > read -mobile). > >> > > >> > My criteria: > >> > * 3D acceleration. > >> > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > >> > anyway). > >> > * At least 15" screen. > >> > * Decent power consumption. > >> > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > >> > > >> > Nice to have: > >> > * Dual core. > >> > * >4GB memory. > >> > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > >> > breath). > >> > > >> > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it > >> for > >> > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > >> > ordering/installing it. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer > >> T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check > >> following > >> articles for further tips/advices: > >> > >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html > >> http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ > >> http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html > >> > >> and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > > > And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series > > (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. > > Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when > > idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU > > (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at > > almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the > > laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): > > > > > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html > > > > Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which > > fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't > > hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power > > saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), > > which you can disable: > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises > > > > Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, > > specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large > > number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from > > Lenovo. > > > > Draw your own conclusions. > > > > -- > > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > My Asus F3T behaves very alike. The GPU gets too much hot and then > everything else suffers. Although I never saw any temperature based forced > shutdown, I can't say its impossible. Well, I read in the net that Turions > are really much hotter, but when running windows and some linux it is not > that hot. > > apart from this, and the last year harddisk load_cycle-will-kill-your-hd > bug, everything but the sound volume works fine. Atheros wifi is ok, nfe > based ethernet is ok, just never had any device to test bluetooth. the > nVidia vga also runs fine. > > matheus > > > -- > We will call you cygnus, > The God of balance you shall be > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > all, I'm currently running a lenovo x61 tablet without much complaint -- i *do* notice that it gets hot from time to time -- its much better if its run on desk rather than a lap ;p -- ACPI is still a little shaky -- if you plan on getting a iwi miniPCI -- namely 4965 and the like there IS a driver for it and it currently is in -CURRENT -- you can also patch this to 7.0 with the perforce code -- both of those should be readily available on the freebsd page wiki -- i would recommend tracking current if i were on a laptop since more things are getting merged in the development and i find freebsd moving towards a more mobile and desktop world even though we are still focused on servers -- i expect you will not get sleep working since its easier i find for it to sleep than wake up -- thinkpads seem to work well and in my experience i find more and more programmers and open source oriented people getting them -- the nature of the projects sort of make people write code and drivers for the hardware that they have instead of just randomly supporting other machines -- subscribing to the acpi list might not be a bad idea -- i would poke them as well for a few hints if suspend is a huge deal for you -- hope this helps a bit respectfully -- jt From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 00:19:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E55F1065671 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:19:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2243C8FC1C for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:19:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b33so1143019ana.13 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:19:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cyaTKkq4G46/OnSqS6g8LEFhlgkR8cau+KCw2dFbC04=; b=MQGfWPDf1NL9Pl76JqnxeEFX9WQIotn5o7Y2EwO+++fFt8i8vz0iLJM9KoVpY/pFOH 2MpLEBfO0xz+BGum6/3/C/QHXObOLpX2whDdNhyoKhP+9pzRvse1+F6IPZdVKeFX6ENh 5B9EMrGJ/Jcj/vf23paygJ8S4HMMgYmvGjUL8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=M8usZaAxnUP8MysowLd3wSZR0w5Ek8cIpeC+nf7uL77F4CrNC1HdjGIvHs+OtyA2zN YSzVcdFTTZNF1sXn1KcEC9f9yDYGJdDBcpLLzMUthKO/MQluQquQ5UJMMuKw6G6fpEvs wgtQ70NhJFADE887itPXBDWJJ72/L6zwNKWGE= Received: by 10.100.123.4 with SMTP id v4mr1672193anc.107.1216945191290; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.3.231? ( [70.111.2.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm6639707yxr.3.2008.07.24.17.19.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: Zamri Besar In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:19:41 -0400 Message-Id: <1216945181.1179.23.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:19:52 -0000 On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 22:39 +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > > read -mobile). > > > > My criteria: > > * 3D acceleration. > > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > > anyway). > > * At least 15" screen. > > * Decent power consumption. > > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > > > > Nice to have: > > * Dual core. > > * >4GB memory. > > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > > breath). > > > > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for > > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > > ordering/installing it. > > > > > > If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer > T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following As someone who used (and use) 360, 701C, T30, T42p, X60 and T61p, I wholeheartedly agree with "past experiences"... with "past" being a key word. While I could not complain about FreeBSD support (none of the FreeBSD problems I have are ThinkPad-specific), manufacturing quality has gone down considerably. My not-two-years-old X60 chipped in places and my wife's 8-months-old T61p is no longer capable of keeping the screen upright. This is in the stark contrast with T42p I (ab)used for $work for more than three years, with the only visible outcome being loss of the caption on the "Enter" key. Battery on my X60 died few weeks past 1-year warranty ;-( Just 2c worth of the data points. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 00:20:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1211065676 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:20:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D32C8FC15 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:20:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b33so1143019ana.13 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+IHTw7Mq1fz4ynFGBwUzR9e624fLpB6npMdEuFLBPp0=; b=ewAfrdHEX8es3ag7fhC29f90PPsn27Y16DbBlwpDSDVLn5RuY9q0aPyrg0IwLj11+q 6qE7zNDInPWkrCKZKhrgq2o+JqTi3ZCkPnH/T07+012ZCfNIgYG+Sgo42r+ZCJBTHNzM TYqMpeTDRM51J1MJq0faQUZRe/erZ6tdMyFdg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=rhJ1L0FCdbR4q/wXxWnRiz13LCv+yCwVHmwkFHR4+8j54uOTmV/02nsiyQOvbjFAXK 2qI8UE1VXMCvOxH19mHD1idQNoIpHdm+A1+AFr8L7cP2GrlI+uZ1EoxM+2m/OE0+aX1G kAo7MSTAgV82o9UXmyIAoFmkcurX4CfCbm9Ok= Received: by 10.100.173.18 with SMTP id v18mr1620390ane.122.1216943466758; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.3.231? ( [70.111.2.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c40sm13931270anc.30.2008.07.24.16.51.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: Mark Bennett In-Reply-To: <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:50:56 -0400 Message-Id: <1216943456.1179.3.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:20:03 -0000 On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 17:50 -0500, Mark Bennett wrote: > > I'm currently running X-Wrt which is the OpenWrt code base with a > > better web interface and bug fixes. > > You might also look at dd-wrt here: > > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > I purchased and flashed a Linksys WRT54g Version 8 device, and used it > at home for a few weeks with zero problems. I'm planning to install it > for a commercial client. I became frustrated with the feature set on > reasonably priced APs (try finding one that you can bridge to another AP > securely, and good luck to you), as well as unreliable performance. > Short of going to a Cisco or some other commercial level product, this > seemed to be the best route. dd-wrt has a very full feature set. Are you really running full DD-WRT (as opposed to "micro") on v8 device, or was statement about full feature set unrelated? > > Some of the hardware mentioned on the dd-wrt site is commercial grade, > look at Ubiquti among others. Good luck, > > Mark > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 04:00:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662001065683 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:00:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from merlin.alerce.com (merlin.alerce.com [64.62.142.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4275A8FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:00:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from merlin.alerce.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177FC33C62; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postfix.alerce.com (w092.z064001164.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.164.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by merlin.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DFB33C5B; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by postfix.alerce.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1140F493A5B; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:40:36 -0700 (PDT) From: George Hartzell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18569.19252.10755.889165@almost.alerce.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:40:36 -0700 To: Mark Bennett In-Reply-To: <4888F509.6030508@claritysoftwaresystems.com> References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> <4887D76E.2070901@freebsd.org> <4888F509.6030508@claritysoftwaresystems.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.1.50.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: hartzell@alerce.com List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:00:31 -0000 Mark Bennett writes: > [...] > When I came across dd-wrt I was actually looking for a wireless FreeBSD > system embedded on an appliance. I never found one. Do you know of > one? I would certainly be interested in that. > [...] On the mainstream end, how 'bout: pfsense or m0n0wall or just plain -STABLE on a soekris or an alix? Slightly more adventurous, how 'bout: http://www.embeddedfreebsd.org/boards.html g. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 13:29:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD309106567D for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vova@sw.ru) Received: from relay.sw.ru (mailhub.sw.ru [195.214.232.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1B78FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vova@sw.ru) Received: from vbook.fbsd.ru ([10.30.1.111]) (authenticated bits=0) by relay.sw.ru (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m6PDBfLU012535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:11:42 +0400 (MSD) Received: from vova by vbook.fbsd.ru with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KMN5B-000MYN-1M; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:11:41 +0400 From: Vladimir Grebenschikov To: freebsd-mobile Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: SWsoft Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:11:40 +0400 Message-Id: <1216991500.1765.35.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Sender: Vladimir Grebenschikov Cc: current Subject: Hard lockup CURRENT lockup with ath0 and no wireless networks in proximity X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vova@fbsd.ru List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:29:21 -0000 Hi all I have more or less recent 8-CURRENT. And I've noticed that attempt to start wireless (start of wpa_supplicatnt) when there is no wireless networks in proximity leads to hard lockup of notebook, even DDB can't be called. I have IBM T60 with: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #3: Tue Jul 15 14:42:12 MSD 2008 root@vbook:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VBOOK ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) ath0: mem 0xedf00000-0xedf0ffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci3 ath0: [ITHREAD] ath0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface ath0: mac 10.3 phy 6.1 radio 10.2 wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:19:7d:44:44:44 Once I've noticed extremely high interrupt rate before lockup. In case when there is wireless networks around everything goes as expected. Any hints will be very appreciated. -- Vladimir B. Grebenschikov vova@fbsd.ru From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 15:15:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501E5106567A for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:15:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0550C8FC0C for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:15:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF8346B03; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:56:11 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jeremy Chadwick In-Reply-To: <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <20080725155502.Q21557@fledge.watson.org> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Zamri Besar , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0000 On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series (and > possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. Some > people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when idling), > which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU (due to > close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at almost all > times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the laptop literally > shutting off in the middle of operation): Likewise, I've had difficulty with the z60t, which has suspend issues (it doesn't), and occasional atheros flakiness that I have been meaning to bug Sam about but haven't had time to do so as yet. Sadly, the battery failed quite quickly once the warranty expired, so I barely use it anymore, which is something of a shame but left me with a bad impression. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge > > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html > > Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which > fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't > hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power > saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), > which you can disable: > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises > > Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, > specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large > number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from > Lenovo. > > Draw your own conclusions. > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 15:29:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506CB1065672 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbennett@claritysoftwaresystems.com) Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A8F8FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:29:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbennett@claritysoftwaresystems.com) X-Authenticated-User: mbennett.claritysoftwaresystems.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (12-208-73-12.client.mchsi.com [12.208.73.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6PFTTxK008982; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:29:39 -0400 Message-ID: <4889F159.4010804@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:29:29 -0500 From: Mark Bennett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> <1216943456.1179.3.camel@RabbitsDen> In-Reply-To: <1216943456.1179.3.camel@RabbitsDen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:29:42 -0000 > > Are you really running full DD-WRT (as opposed to "micro") on v8 device, > or was statement about full feature set unrelated? > I ran this procedure first, although it has been modified slightly since then, to install the micro kernel. This is definitely a limitation. http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/How_To_Flash_the_WRT54Gv8 Mark From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 18:03:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9611065670 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:03:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from strontium90@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220B28FC1E for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from strontium90@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1558696nfh.33 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:02:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RlbBP68LgUaNMdlDJdVpxcPowjf7OPMIPyt/A7q5vYY=; b=jH7LNQZbnoA3RArpAadc7uZF5yICll4GjUJxqAKFXs139zMZgM2tPXPVSpiIqUmvxa cyyHUABnpRo2x4x/+Feu+ezU4rKTzcXLJn4gqx1CYVWA0Zn0CZvmNQYlt1DQ6QJR2hKW c2NMkkhNGfJksFIEVJSweCoEB09OebXFDqAMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fe4j6fh0yfnzwdteNvzqVoGgVD3ctz5sv6bw1s3pUxrI9DZeb1MqVSVGWjzat1VAiL MZrJixgP7c7qMINiVL1b51cGmCg+nI1sc/BD6xUEM59UfK3XXozhUn2gFLRwnYC21Z88 N0JzsFxXg/S4QPk01MCvDb+aiWTd6dCQgnLFw= Received: by 10.210.17.14 with SMTP id 14mr2285935ebq.39.1217007453974; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crow.my.domain ( [88.86.10.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10sm21586147gvf.7.2008.07.25.10.37.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:35:44 +0300 From: Razmig K User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:03:00 -0000 How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. //rk From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 20:36:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5947106564A for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:36:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BF68FC1D for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:36:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c8so1771026wra.27 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:36:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=oAa7t/uGibP5UpQLUz7GXbN3AdRVXjbHUIGmA7w7N0g=; b=PKEJt6cOUiBF0I+Cr/YYa+ECkOcTAOOeX5/CKbqz5DnH1catpAP06Sh55EMiKXsK06 +p+DAFSUMaziJrh9DOa7j+ih15oZuY1gT5hCHbhw/qZ+CGwUOtSa1NmkEWqmX2osvjiI bxjvQSaGwXhOyJ5AF1xYTR7ZIvt0p4X/rlbTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=bqWXdJUkE4fJ6DUqLuT81blEv64hLrrhV0Z2yFePGymac4js698cpntvDI09HzmfsO TK9fe1hxB/PYLsq0735MqpU06WGSao14DbVe+aUJtTxLK30afBdkbRQfMyhYViDN3Fgu FHmi8fAv9K6/gC1cwKMJQC1LLCZI2pXnNGrfc= Received: by 10.100.96.9 with SMTP id t9mr3615867anb.143.1217016468380; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.12.12 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:07:48 -0400 From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" To: "Razmig K" In-Reply-To: <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:36:43 -0000 On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Razmig K wrote: > How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N > and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD > smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some > googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. > One problem with most of the Dell offerings is that they use the NVidia video chipset. Now this is a plus if you're into playing a few games, but it sucks if you're running FreeBSD. One of the original requests was for >4G RAM. The NVidia binary driver only works on IA32, not AMD64 (and the opensource driver sucks at even 2D), so your RAM is practically limited to around 3.5G (depending on a few things). I also havn't seen very many laptops advertising >4G yet (4G, but not more than 4G). Personally, I have the XPS-1730. Largely I tolerate the slow binary driver for AMD64. I use IA32 when I need wine, but my use of ZFS (the 1730 has an option for 2 hard drives) seems to eat up kernel memory until wine can't start pretty quickly. The opensource driver does work and supports nice things like DPMS ---- it's just that the 2D acceleration feels very lacking and it also can't do things like scale a movie at full frame rate. This means that I tend to reboot into windoze for entertainment ... since I can't generally use IA32 mode productively anyways. Other than the video and the fact that I've never seen a Dell suspend successfully under FreeBSD, The laptop is well supported. The PCI express slots and their contents (USB or PCI) show up fine. Even the EVDO broadband modem is fairly easy to suppport. I think the only feature without any support is the SD card reader. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 21:25:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63C11065672; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:25:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2458FC18; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:25:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6044D1CC0A0; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:25:40 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Razmig K Message-ID: <20080725212540.GA8159@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:25:40 -0000 On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 08:35:44PM +0300, Razmig K wrote: > How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron > 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running > FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE > and some googling around show that wireless, video and audio are > supported. A co-worker of mine has a Dell (I forget which model; I'll ask him this coming week), running Kubuntu. The overall compatibility is quite good, and I haven't heard any complaints from him. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 21:27:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A5C1065672 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from strontium90@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFBE8FC16 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from strontium90@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so1590749nfh.33 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:27:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iA77wh8NHxl6RTOnetRQ8HDIDfnr4laO536Jp8jQVIQ=; b=KX01MJvYF28mn9ctN489LJHxnpKp9rAijEq6zhmz/Y+Kf1FEfTAhrzL4mR/15Iucsr lqGv3aqiEyxISx01DDaqSZCAkLwSYsvoeHT1ucox2G1m+rc08zbV89msEbNJklQGc14l zXtYgC4GeRZFBaPOFoIZ1crzsul6lCYrXblME= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YxLDrJkxvMN3URuWbnZHkIrdGbbKsMd/Qd+uIGtPBr4+Gu/couTFJbtaFoVvuXH3Hw vlsN691Vy3oD4+6ZSxvQjnQWsVkMsI7Tw9aor765nnOGbRERmtu+cEeBZsZOKAjoCVXv LCeBkExWny3QX2QpkSg1fv55NEkEQVdyPLxck= Received: by 10.210.50.6 with SMTP id x6mr2535244ebx.87.1217021263371; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crow.my.domain ( [88.86.9.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10sm22065988gvf.7.2008.07.25.14.27.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488A44E6.80907@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:25:58 +0300 From: Razmig K User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zaphod Beeblebrox References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:27:45 -0000 Zaphod Beeblebrox a écrit : > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Razmig K > wrote: > > How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron > 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of > running FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of > 7.0-RELEASE and some googling around show that wireless, video and > audio are supported. > > > One problem with most of the Dell offerings is that they use the NVidia > video chipset. Now this is a plus if you're into playing a few games, > but it sucks if you're running FreeBSD. One of the original requests > was for >4G RAM. The NVidia binary driver only works on IA32, not AMD64 > (and the opensource driver sucks at even 2D), so your RAM is practically > limited to around 3.5G (depending on a few things). > [...] > ---- it's just that the 2D > acceleration feels very lacking and it also can't do things like scale a > movie at full frame rate. The aforementioned Dell models offer the Intel graphics accelerator X3100 as an option, which appears to be supported pretty well on both 32 and 64 bit architectures. A fairly recent thread at PC-BSD forums reports successful use of Compiz Fusion (albeit on Ubuntu Gutsy) with this accelerator: http://forums.pcbsd.org/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=10936&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a //rk From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 22:02:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D602610656EB for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6F18FC1A for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from max.local (rrcs-74-218-226-253.se.biz.rr.com [74.218.226.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6PM23JP058251; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:02:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, frank@exit.com Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:02:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> In-Reply-To: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> X-Face: #X5#Y*q>F:]zT!DegL3z5Xo'^MN[$8k\[4^3rN~wm=s=Uw(sW}R?3b^*f1Wu*.<=?utf-8?q?of=5F4NrS=0A=09P*M/9CpxDo!D6?=)IY1w<9B1jB; tBQf[RU-R<,I)e"$q7N7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:02:10 -0000 On Thursday 24 July 2008, Frank Mayhar wrote: > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > read -mobile). I haven't played with one hands-on, but the laptop I was going to buy until $work supplied a different one was a Fujitsu Lifebook E8410. It has a few customization options if you get it from Fujitsu directly. Among these are Intel graphics and Atheros wireless, 2 of the main things I was looking for for good FreeBSD hw support. > My criteria: > * 3D acceleration. check ought to work w/ intel(4x) driver on i386 or amd64 > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > anyway). AFAIK. I was planning to select the Atheros option and leave it.. > * At least 15" screen. 15.4 Wide with WSXGA+ option > * Decent power consumption. Unknown, but available 8-cell main and 6-cell modular batteries. > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. AFAIK. > Nice to have: > * Dual core. check. > * >4GB memory. =4GB avail. (can you get more on a laptop yet?) > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > breath). unknown. has any progress been made WRT suspend/resume + SMP on FreeBSD in general? > > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > ordering/installing it. Best of luck and do post your experiences. JN From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 22:06:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17948106568B for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB658FC14 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 3677 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2008 21:39:45 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 25 Jul 2008 21:39:45 -0000 Message-ID: <488A4826.7040509@telenix.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:39:50 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071107) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zaphod Beeblebrox References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=F3DCA0E9; url=http://pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Razmig K , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:06:27 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Razmig K wrote: > >> How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N >> and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD >> smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some >> googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. >> > > One problem with most of the Dell offerings is that they use the NVidia > video chipset. Now this is a plus if you're into playing a few games, but > it sucks if you're running FreeBSD. There is a problem is you're running the AMD64 chipsets, but I'm running a quad core processor here, and my Nvidia card (8600GTS) with it's compiled Nvidia driver works just fine. One of the original requests was for >> 4G RAM. The NVidia binary driver only works on IA32, not AMD64 (and the > opensource driver sucks at even 2D), so your RAM is practically limited to > around 3.5G (depending on a few things). I also havn't seen very many > laptops advertising >4G yet (4G, but not more than 4G). > > Personally, I have the XPS-1730. Largely I tolerate the slow binary driver > for AMD64. I use IA32 when I need wine, but my use of ZFS (the 1730 has an > option for 2 hard drives) seems to eat up kernel memory until wine can't > start pretty quickly. The opensource driver does work and supports nice > things like DPMS ---- it's just that the 2D acceleration feels very lacking > and it also can't do things like scale a movie at full frame rate. This > means that I tend to reboot into windoze for entertainment ... since I can't > generally use IA32 mode productively anyways. > > Other than the video and the fact that I've never seen a Dell suspend > successfully under FreeBSD, The laptop is well supported. The PCI express > slots and their contents (USB or PCI) show up fine. Even the EVDO broadband > modem is fairly easy to suppport. I think the only feature without any > support is the SD card reader. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiKSCYACgkQz62J6PPcoOmb/ACdGHfxU4Rpt9k9UaYYc6X2UpFD TQkAnA0hlM1UwzDJMUpAe72zJIGQ0vBN =95ZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 22:42:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D844B106567F; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mezz7@cox.net) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C9E8FC18; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mezz7@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080725222341.SCZT4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:23:41 -0400 Received: from mezz.mezzweb.com ([24.255.149.218]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id uNPg1Z0084iy4EG02NPgVf; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:23:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:23:49 -0500 To: frank@exit.com From: "Jeremy Messenger" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.51 (Linux) Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:42:45 -0000 On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > read -mobile). > > My criteria: > * 3D acceleration. > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > anyway). > * At least 15" screen. > * Decent power consumption. > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > > Nice to have: > * Dual core. > * >4GB memory. > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > breath). > > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > ordering/installing it. Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html I didn't compare your requirements in there, thought. Cheers, Mezz -- mezz7@cox.net - mezz@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 26 04:49:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9BD1065671 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66348FC0C for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d27so1717302tid.3 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:49:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ipbk8ahX35iMF2/SF9QEr3IJLwHb7lz/oPZBDXgY7ZQ=; b=jZvp0qLqIbFtOboc6p5KHjN8qliwTFqpV1ApNY/6J9cfKx//btjUepRaNQMh2hW5KN nEEmdApO3iYmdWVqCrZ4a6ilXQf3gwYbEfdw48F+y6Fjj95eNHb3hVJdpWCeKIuxNWwh q4ZHMHnporfJuBhaL+Cj9jbAQKjkaFZeLjj1E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=yFb6DEWiMJNGxETAleVvrDjeLjn6jA6EHDMVBoPi+XHEKWDX1Eram1I/VWIIWu08te +3bpPviiyj4vv937FEnmAG9xk9Qu5him/950G4esiDiaYKrLTWcV8CUcF9q7CeJVMcXq jxq0ussDiC4vwNxQ6m8t0+fNQnLp/48+dAOZQ= Received: by 10.110.109.12 with SMTP id h12mr2705838tic.51.1217046068848; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.86.17 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5635aa0d0807252121la3c7e00s41829d373c8878d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:21:08 +0700 From: "Outback Dingo" To: "Jeremy Messenger" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:49:23 -0000 IBM Z series, my Z60M Titanium, runs great and still actually looks brand new being 2+ years old the X, T and Z series laptops are all decent, i cant say on quality, im still using the one i got almost three years ago with no issues. 1680x1050 on a 15'4 wide wcreen is nice also. I also have an Asus that i really havent had any issues with quite honestly. And can also say from field experience Fujitsus got some decent models available. Though take note, I dont abuse my mobile equiptment. Another way you might want to consider is a UMPC known to run FreeBSD. there are some sub-size and UMPC systems out there that will run FreeBSD nicely, ASUS makes one, and well personally im waiting on the HTC Shift to be delivered and hacked On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, >> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >> read -mobile). >> >> My criteria: >> * 3D acceleration. >> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >> anyway). >> * At least 15" screen. >> * Decent power consumption. >> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >> >> Nice to have: >> * Dual core. >> * >4GB memory. >> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >> breath). >> >> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for >> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >> ordering/installing it. >> > > Maybe you can wait for this: > > http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > I didn't compare your requirements in there, thought. > > Cheers, > Mezz > > > -- > mezz7@cox.net - mezz@FreeBSD.org > FreeBSD GNOME Team > http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome@FreeBSD.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 26 13:47:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E850106567C for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CA78FC18 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:47:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h27so1234303wxd.7 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:47:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dCuOYnmO4E3vryS+Ww9CdVpQO9iqllmExObivVpN5gM=; b=vg5gUnu64kej536VXaSyZTzt7kvp/Qp5W93tskyxnh0XuH49TEXZgBxiYYqINN+F4k CPmJ4b6ghq4gYihgGFwGhw9+072m58MuIqaYEDHGcobYeNVh1FE8vd0MfwxDHMt6j0Qz b9HUjwkYDdk1kJC4HdQHHdcuplJCOT2NJMXb4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=lOJ/eczkIPm5pgEsn44WuRrFI2ouzP4lg2HarSnfdCCiFCbO8HsVOqv4+gDIzneRa7 zGmGwkjSLPDLffBhcp1DCjjrvIKDX/pq3u0rGURKr1g8YpdfqSj/heSPBl3ezad9yiH/ 7t8R+x8wt7Wa0kEApcoBVHrYum9/mSnCUKh/U= Received: by 10.70.112.4 with SMTP id k4mr3576319wxc.24.1217080053739; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.3.231? ( [70.111.2.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h40sm10818835wxd.33.2008.07.26.06.47.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: vova@fbsd.ru In-Reply-To: <1216991500.1765.35.camel@localhost> References: <1216991500.1765.35.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:47:23 -0400 Message-Id: <1217080043.1167.2.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: current , freebsd-mobile Subject: Re: Hard lockup CURRENT lockup with ath0 and no wireless networks in proximity X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:47:35 -0000 On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 17:11 +0400, Vladimir Grebenschikov wrote: > Hi all > > I have more or less recent 8-CURRENT. > > And I've noticed that attempt to start wireless (start of > wpa_supplicatnt) when there is no wireless networks in proximity leads > to hard lockup of notebook, even DDB can't be called. > > I have IBM T60 with: > FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #3: Tue Jul 15 14:42:12 MSD 2008 > root@vbook:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VBOOK > > ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, > RF5413) > ath0: mem 0xedf00000-0xedf0ffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on > pci3 > ath0: [ITHREAD] > ath0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface > ath0: mac 10.3 phy 6.1 radio 10.2 > wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:19:7d:44:44:44 > > Once I've noticed extremely high interrupt rate before lockup. > > In case when there is wireless networks around everything goes as > expected. > > Any hints will be very appreciated. > Are you running powerd? And if yes, does the problem disappear if you stop powerd before starting wpa_supplicant? If both answers are "Yes", see: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=474718+0 +/usr/local/www/db/text/2008/freebsd-stable/20080713.freebsd-stable HTH, -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко)