From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 14:36:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216DE16A417 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:36:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EB913C442 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XqGi1Y0070mv7h00501D00; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:36:51 +0000 Received: from earth.knownspace ([69.255.34.108]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xqco1Y0012KzDb13X00000; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:36:48 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s4xKUwQfq5LbvNtNFoEA:9 a=hKU96ysmnLqnEgFY9N1HBPkG-jQA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=FZ8qjatflj_lygEPI5QA:9 a=TuP93-fmAK3v-c_MFyyI27jhYfcA:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 Resent-From: Justin Hibbits Resent-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:36:50 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <200801010936.50132.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> From: Justin Hibbits To: sigmac-talc@acm.cwru.edu Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:41:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1779968.7fjfSsNiRU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> Cc: Subject: Half-dead G4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:36:53 -0000 --nextPart1779968.7fjfSsNiRU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks, Maybe someone could help me with this problem: I recently purchased a 1.25= GHz=20 PowerMac G4 on eBay, and it worked perfectly fine. However, after loading= =20 =46reeBSD on it, and running it for a couple weeks, it no longer boots. =20 HOWEVER, I can still hold down the mouse button and the CD ejects, so I'm=20 assuming it must be reaching some part of OpenFirmware, it just doesn't POS= T=20 (I don't hear the chime). I've tried ripping out a couple RAM sticks,=20 reseating the video card, resetting the PMU, and one time I did manage to g= et=20 the chime, without the video card in there, but even pulling the card out=20 again I still don't get the chime now. Is there any other test I can perfo= rm=20 to narrow down the cause, and fix this problem? Thanks, Justin --nextPart1779968.7fjfSsNiRU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHd7wwqt29EJDZlM4RAgDhAJ4orGv4UcMG0gGMNkzgCnSJJSQJnQCePTEo c5bENRdt8FbKVALp4vXFTxs= =t2xK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1779968.7fjfSsNiRU-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 14:46:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CD116A41A for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:46:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.bluestop.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:41c8:1:548a::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C0C13C45D for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:46:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from tau.draftnet (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:0:240:f4ff:fe57:9871]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.bluestop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D94A300EA; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:46:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <477A5245.5010700@cran.org.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:46:29 +0000 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Schulz References: <20071031123042.GA11139@muon.bluestop.org> <47288CD8.4030501@deadc0.de> In-Reply-To: <47288CD8.4030501@deadc0.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding PMU support for Apple PPC-based computers X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:46:33 -0000 Philip Schulz wrote: > Hi, > > Am 31.10.2007 13:30, bruce@cran.org.uk schrieb: >> I recently installed FreeBSD 7.0-BETA1 on my 1GHz G4 iBook. I got it >> installed without too many problems, but noticed that it's only running >> at 356MHz - from reading previous posts I gather it's because FreeBSD >> doesn't support the PMU, which needs programmed to take the CPU up to >> its >> full speed. Is anyone already working on this, or is it something I >> could take a look at to see what would need done to support it? >> > > NetBSD has a new, polished driver for the PMU that is in my 12" > PowerBook G4. I don't know if it touches the CPU divider, though (*) > What certainly works on my PowerBook is using the "set-dfs-high" word > in the CPU node of Open Firmware: > > > dev /path/to/cpu > > set-dfs-high > > I don't know if your laptop has that word, but you can easily find out > by typing "words" once you've navigated to the CPU node. > > HTH, > > Phil. > > (*) I've done a quick and dirty port of that driver to FreeBSD for a > project I'm working on, but the code is not nearly in shape to be > released to the public. I haven't been able to work it for a while > now, but I might be able to polish it up a bit and file a PR. > Thanks - my iBook does have the set-dfs-high word; I spent some time learning OpenFirmware a few months ago and found that after using set-dfs-high the system booted at around 550MHz. I've just installed 7.0-RC1 and found that it boots at 550MHz without using set-dfs-high: if I do use it the system now boots at the top speed of 1GHz. -- Bruce From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 16:35:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A7D16A41B for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:35:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351F213C478 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-3.01 (built Jul 12 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0JTZ008XF4RSXS00@osl1smout1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:35:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from kg-work.kg4.no ([80.202.173.59]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-3.01 (built Jul 12 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0JTZ00DOF4RR7L10@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:35:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:35:51 +0100 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-id: <20080101173551.cc92a546.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> In-reply-to: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> References: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: "t9w2,-X@O^I`jVW\sonI3.,36KBLZE*AL[y9lL[PyFD*r_S:dIL9c[8Y>V42R0"!"yb_zN,f#%.[PYYNq; m"_0v; ~rUM2Yy!zmkh)3&U|u!=T(zyv,MHJv"nDH>OJ`t(@mil461d_B'Uo|'nMwlKe0Mv=kvV?Nh@>Hb<3s_z2jYgZhPb@?Wi^x1a~Hplz1.zH Subject: Re: Half-dead G4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:35:54 -0000 On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:41:30 -0500 Justin Hibbits wrote: > I still don't get the chime now. Is there any other test I can > perform to narrow down the cause, and fix this problem? Have you tried reseating (take out and put back in again) all the plugs? Both power and data cables, on motherboard, hard drives and whatnot. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 17:02:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0873B16A418 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:02:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ltning@anduin.net) Received: from anduin.net (anduin.net [213.225.74.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9352113C461 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ltning@anduin.net) Received: from ranger.anduin.net ([212.62.248.147] helo=[192.168.2.10]) by anduin.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1J9kAn-000AAp-9d; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:41:01 +0100 Message-Id: <117DB4EC-17D3-430B-BC1F-773951391320@anduin.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eirik_=D8verby?= To: Justin Hibbits In-Reply-To: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:41:00 +0100 References: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Half-dead G4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:02:40 -0000 On Dec 30, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Justin Hibbits wrote: > Hi folks, > > Maybe someone could help me with this problem: I recently purchased > a 1.25GHz > PowerMac G4 on eBay, and it worked perfectly fine. However, after > loading > FreeBSD on it, and running it for a couple weeks, it no longer boots. > HOWEVER, I can still hold down the mouse button and the CD ejects, > so I'm > assuming it must be reaching some part of OpenFirmware, it just > doesn't POST > (I don't hear the chime). I've tried ripping out a couple RAM sticks, > reseating the video card, resetting the PMU, and one time I did > manage to get > the chime, without the video card in there, but even pulling the > card out > again I still don't get the chime now. Is there any other test I > can perform > to narrow down the cause, and fix this problem? Torfinns answer is not too shabby; I'd give that a go. I had this problem on an iMac at one point, and it turned out I had a bad SATA cable. I'm not kidding - the 8cm SATA cable from mobo to drive in the iMac was somehow partly broken, resulting in erratic and varying behavior depending on whether the 'puter was standing (and at which angle) or laying down. /Eirik > > > Thanks, > > Justin From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 17:39:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE9416A419 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:39:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C7013C465 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XqyR1Y00D17dt5G050BN00; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:39:57 +0000 Received: from earth.knownspace ([69.255.34.108]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xtft1Y0022KzDb13Z00000; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:39:53 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=dEtKx4_ZW8KJ8IohWhkA:9 a=2PgBaUA5VTSRSDA6o9bD2S60oBoA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=Ut8oU4_IKdXX9HBtXGAA:9 a=ophyeKhUN9FG0HGiwuod6xglPTsA:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 From: Justin Hibbits To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:39:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <20080101173551.cc92a546.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> In-Reply-To: <20080101173551.cc92a546.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3115823.tpQ2MUbrr3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200801011239.55665.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> Subject: Re: Half-dead G4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:39:58 -0000 --nextPart3115823.tpQ2MUbrr3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 01 January 2008 11:35:51 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:41:30 -0500 > > Justin Hibbits wrote: > > I still don't get the chime now. Is there any other test I can > > perform to narrow down the cause, and fix this problem? > > Have you tried reseating (take out and put back in again) all the plugs? > Both power and data cables, on motherboard, hard drives and whatnot. I've reseated all data cables. Haven't reseated the motherboard power cabl= e,=20 but I've reseated the hard drive power cable, and can't quite figure out ho= w=20 to remove the CD-ROM drive power cable, as it's enclosed. I've tried=20 removing the hard drive and CD-ROM drive data cable connections from the=20 motherboard, but that didn't help. I'll try pulling out everything, even t= he=20 CPU, and see what I can come up with. I was hoping removing the battery an= d=20 resetting the PMU would do the trick, but that failed as well. Am I right in assuming that because holding the mouse button ejects the CD-= ROM=20 tray, the CPU is functioning because it has to go into openfirmware? =2D Justin --nextPart3115823.tpQ2MUbrr3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHenrrqt29EJDZlM4RAjY6AJ4/0LwLxjeJAj+71rqc+FPMAYP8swCdFTk5 eCu4v2dao1gj8OIjq6ohcm4= =mKhG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3115823.tpQ2MUbrr3-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 17:28:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE7E16A418 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcoombs@gwi.net) Received: from pan.gwi.net (pan.gwi.net [207.5.128.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C44F13C43E for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcoombs@gwi.net) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (murdoc.gwi.net [207.5.142.8]) by pan.gwi.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m02GBKwx026838 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:11:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jcoombs@gwi.net) Message-ID: <477BB7A8.6030200@gwi.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:11:20 -0500 From: Joshua Coombs User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org" References: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <20080101173551.cc92a546.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <200801011239.55665.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> In-Reply-To: <200801011239.55665.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Half-dead G4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:28:39 -0000 Justin Hibbits wrote: > I've reseated all data cables. Haven't reseated the motherboard power cable, > but I've reseated the hard drive power cable, and can't quite figure out how > to remove the CD-ROM drive power cable, as it's enclosed. I've tried > removing the hard drive and CD-ROM drive data cable connections from the > motherboard, but that didn't help. I'll try pulling out everything, even the > CPU, and see what I can come up with. I was hoping removing the battery and > resetting the PMU would do the trick, but that failed as well. > > Am I right in assuming that because holding the mouse button ejects the CD-ROM > tray, the CPU is functioning because it has to go into openfirmware? > > - Justin Pull the battery and power, and leave it unplugged with no battery for at LEAST 48 hours. That pesky pram is persistent. Josh C From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 21:21:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B8216A418 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:21:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrh29@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu) Received: from beta.eecs.cwru.edu (beta.EECS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.150.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F82D13C45A for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:21:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrh29@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu) Received: from volatile.engineering.cwru.edu ([::ffff:129.22.150.118]) by beta.eecs.cwru.edu with esmtp; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:34:26 -0500 id 000089DE.477BD932.00004FE9 Received: (nullmailer pid 22703 invoked by uid 4269); Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:39:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:39:56 -0500 From: jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080102173956.GA22669@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> References: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <20080101173551.cc92a546.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <200801011239.55665.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <477BB7A8.6030200@gwi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <477BB7A8.6030200@gwi.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Subject: Re: Half-dead G4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:21:08 -0000 On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 11:11:20AM -0500, Joshua Coombs wrote: > > > Justin Hibbits wrote: > > >I've reseated all data cables. Haven't reseated the motherboard power > >cable, but I've reseated the hard drive power cable, and can't quite > >figure out how to remove the CD-ROM drive power cable, as it's enclosed. > >I've tried removing the hard drive and CD-ROM drive data cable connections > >from the motherboard, but that didn't help. I'll try pulling out > >everything, even the CPU, and see what I can come up with. I was hoping > >removing the battery and resetting the PMU would do the trick, but that > >failed as well. > > > >Am I right in assuming that because holding the mouse button ejects the > >CD-ROM tray, the CPU is functioning because it has to go into openfirmware? > > > >- Justin > > Pull the battery and power, and leave it unplugged with no battery for > at LEAST 48 hours. That pesky pram is persistent. > > Josh C I can do that. I pulled out the battery again yesterday, and unplugged everything, and won't touch it again until the weekend. Related, I tried some boot experiments, and it does appear to boot, or at least attempt to boot, an OS, since with no drive installed when I hit the power button it powers off immediately, but with a bootable disk hooked up (CD or hard drive) it gets to the point where I need to hold it in for 5+ seconds before it powers off. This leads me to believe that perhaps it's switched into some sort of "Apple-only" mode, or OFW thinks the console exists somewhere else (serial?) in which case I'm probably boned unless I can find information on setting up a serial console for a G4, which so far I haven't. But, I'll try this first. Maybe 4 days will do it. - Justin From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 06:15:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E7516A419 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xcllnt@mac.com) Received: from smtpoutm.mac.com (smtpoutm.mac.com [17.148.16.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F351613C447 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:15:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xcllnt@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (asmtp008-s [10.150.69.71]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout015/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m036Fu4h012275; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp008/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m036FsMO012173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:15:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6B401446-ADAB-4D1E-BB21-39D51A9F6DFC@mac.com> From: Marcel Moolenaar To: jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu In-Reply-To: <20080102173956.GA22669@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:15:54 -0800 References: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <20080101173551.cc92a546.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <200801011239.55665.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <477BB7A8.6030200@gwi.net> <20080102173956.GA22669@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Half-dead G4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:15:57 -0000 On Jan 2, 2008, at 9:39 AM, jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu wrote: > Related, I tried some boot experiments, and it does appear to boot, or > at least attempt to boot, an OS, since with no drive installed when I > hit the power button it powers off immediately, but with a bootable > disk > hooked up (CD or hard drive) it gets to the point where I need to hold > it in for 5+ seconds before it powers off. This leads me to believe > that perhaps it's switched into some sort of "Apple-only" mode, or OFW > thinks the console exists somewhere else (serial?) in which case I'm > probably boned unless I can find information on setting up a serial > console for a G4, which so far I haven't. Serial consoles work out if the box. That is, when you set the console to be serial in OFW, FreeBSD uses that. This is known to work on a Xserve G4. However, you do need a machine with an actual serial port, not a built-in modem. -- Marcel Moolenaar xcllnt@mac.com From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 13:09:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B162B16A57B for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raj@semihalf.com) Received: from mail.semihalf.com (mail.semihalf.com [83.15.139.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D1A13C467 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raj@semihalf.com) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.semihalf.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D3A15B34; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:14:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.semihalf.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.semihalf.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23338-09; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:14:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <477CDE72.1020904@semihalf.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:09:06 +0100 From: Rafal Jaworowski MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Moolenaar References: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <20080101173551.cc92a546.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <200801011239.55665.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <477BB7A8.6030200@gwi.net> <20080102173956.GA22669@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <6B401446-ADAB-4D1E-BB21-39D51A9F6DFC@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <6B401446-ADAB-4D1E-BB21-39D51A9F6DFC@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at semihalf.com Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Half-dead G4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:09:10 -0000 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > Serial consoles work out if the box. That is, when you set the console > to be serial in OFW, FreeBSD uses that. This is known to work on a > Xserve G4. However, you do need a machine with an actual serial port, > not a built-in modem. > BTW: is anyone aware of a third party PCI/PCMCIA serial card that is recognized and working with Apple OF? I tried a couple of standard devices with Powermac G3/G4, but no success.. Rafal From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 16:58:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB05116A419 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xcllnt@mac.com) Received: from smtpoutm.mac.com (smtpoutm.mac.com [17.148.16.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9349013C458 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xcllnt@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (asmtp001-s [10.150.69.64]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout020/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m03GwruZ021784; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from macbook-pro.jnpr.net (natint3.juniper.net [66.129.224.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp001/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m03Gwp04006331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:58:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <730BC145-5923-4FF0-A932-3C965AE7802A@mac.com> From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Rafal Jaworowski In-Reply-To: <477CDE72.1020904@semihalf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:58:50 -0800 References: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <20080101173551.cc92a546.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <200801011239.55665.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <477BB7A8.6030200@gwi.net> <20080102173956.GA22669@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <6B401446-ADAB-4D1E-BB21-39D51A9F6DFC@mac.com> <477CDE72.1020904@semihalf.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Half-dead G4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:58:54 -0000 On Jan 3, 2008, at 5:09 AM, Rafal Jaworowski wrote: > Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >> >> Serial consoles work out if the box. That is, when you set the >> console >> to be serial in OFW, FreeBSD uses that. This is known to work on a >> Xserve G4. However, you do need a machine with an actual serial port, >> not a built-in modem. >> > > BTW: is anyone aware of a third party PCI/PCMCIA serial card that is > recognized and working with Apple OF? I tried a couple of standard > devices > with Powermac G3/G4, but no success.. Alas, no. I seem to recall that it should be possible to connect to the modem in a leased-line setup (i.e. no dialing) and use the serial console that way. Unfortunately, I haven't had the time yet to try that out for myself... -- Marcel Moolenaar xcllnt@mac.com From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 17:15:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FD316A41B for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nathanw@uchicago.edu) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A38D13C45B for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nathanw@uchicago.edu) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YfV31Y0031HzFnQ050AU00; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:04:56 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:71.202.237.176] ([71.202.237.176]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Yh4o1Y00E3p2UHB3a00000; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:04:49 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Alw-IsrZFxEjVH9w8H0A:9 a=pST8IRS78PBaG9OZE4hE-orCceMA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 In-Reply-To: <6B401446-ADAB-4D1E-BB21-39D51A9F6DFC@mac.com> References: <200712301041.36623.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <20080101173551.cc92a546.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <200801011239.55665.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <477BB7A8.6030200@gwi.net> <20080102173956.GA22669@volatile.engineering.cwru.edu> <6B401446-ADAB-4D1E-BB21-39D51A9F6DFC@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <43527D69-8990-47FA-84A3-E416AF9C5D39@uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nathan Whitehorn Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:04:39 -0800 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Cc: Subject: Re: Half-dead G4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:15:57 -0000 On Jan 2, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2008, at 9:39 AM, jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu wrote: > >> Related, I tried some boot experiments, and it does appear to >> boot, or >> at least attempt to boot, an OS, since with no drive installed when I >> hit the power button it powers off immediately, but with a >> bootable disk >> hooked up (CD or hard drive) it gets to the point where I need to >> hold >> it in for 5+ seconds before it powers off. This leads me to believe >> that perhaps it's switched into some sort of "Apple-only" mode, or >> OFW >> thinks the console exists somewhere else (serial?) in which case I'm >> probably boned unless I can find information on setting up a serial >> console for a G4, which so far I haven't. > > Serial consoles work out if the box. That is, when you set the console > to be serial in OFW, FreeBSD uses that. This is known to work on a > Xserve G4. However, you do need a machine with an actual serial port, > not a built-in modem. There used to be cards that replaced the modem with an exposed serial ports (essentially pass-through cables from the header on the motherboard). One was called the GeeThree Stealth Serial Port. You may still be able to find them on eBay. -Nathan