From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 22 03:24:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40654106564A for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:24:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ktdreyer@ktdreyer.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F27F8FC0C for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ktdreyer@ktdreyer.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c8so883865wra.27 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.140.15 with SMTP id n15mr9415255and.110.1214105082715; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.206.16 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <43f35d30806212024p56958e66x5fca7abfbf13f131@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:24:42 -0500 From: "Ken Dreyer" To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <43f35d30806191221r75a241e0h80db863aaa6a1362@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <43f35d30806191221r75a241e0h80db863aaa6a1362@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: freebsd website questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:24:44 -0000 On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Ken Dreyer wrote: > I am a college student assisting the OpenAFS project with redesigning > their website. One of the OpenAFS elders mentioned that he liked the > layout and functionality of FreeBSD's site. I was hoping you could > give me a few pointers :) Tom pointed me to Emily, the GSoC student who did some work for you guys back in '05. She was able to give me a bit more background info on the project. Something else caught my attention regarding FreeBSD's site. I noticed you don't require your website mirrors to have PHP installed. What are the odds of you changing this requirement in the future? How common is it for big mirrors to not have PHP available? - Ken From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 22 04:12:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2503C1065673 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DD48FC0C for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so221226uge.37 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.8 with SMTP id s8mr1042436ugm.50.1214107938062; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.23.11 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2a7894eb0806212112ib2871d3k5be61741af023f8f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:12:18 -0700 From: "Murray Stokely" To: "Ken Dreyer" In-Reply-To: <43f35d30806212024p56958e66x5fca7abfbf13f131@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <43f35d30806191221r75a241e0h80db863aaa6a1362@mail.gmail.com> <43f35d30806212024p56958e66x5fca7abfbf13f131@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd website questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:12:20 -0000 On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Ken Dreyer wrote: > Tom pointed me to Emily, the GSoC student who did some work for you > guys back in '05. She was able to give me a bit more background info > on the project. > > Something else caught my attention regarding FreeBSD's site. I noticed > you don't require your website mirrors to have PHP installed. What are > the odds of you changing this requirement in the future? How common is > it for big mirrors to not have PHP available? Nobody has created compelling PHP content for the FreeBSD website, so the requirement is moot. =) I'm sure for your project it would be easy to find mirrors willing to install PHP or other software for more dynamic content. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 22 04:22:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A50106564A for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:22:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF358FC1C for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:22:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so221758uge.37 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.236.13 with SMTP id j13mr1077631ugh.7.1214108519252; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.23.11 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2a7894eb0806212121h366bddb9of5a062ea759ce85@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:21:59 -0700 From: "Murray Stokely" To: "Ken Dreyer" In-Reply-To: <43f35d30806191221r75a241e0h80db863aaa6a1362@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <43f35d30806191221r75a241e0h80db863aaa6a1362@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd website questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:22:01 -0000 On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Ken Dreyer wrote: > I am a college student assisting the OpenAFS project with redesigning > their website. One of the OpenAFS elders mentioned that he liked the > layout and functionality of FreeBSD's site. I was hoping you could > give me a few pointers :) > > If you could start from scratch and do things over again, would you > prefer to use xml/xslt/Makefiles? Most website software has some sort > of web-based content editor, but I suppose this means no more editing > with vim/emacs. On the other hand, the current setup seems to limit > dynamic interaction, as Murray observed in his blog. How much of an > effect does this have on the community? I think the goal is to have the best of both worlds. If you are translating the content into multiple languages, then having XML files checked into a revision control system is really helpful. It can also be really easy to use templates, define variables for the name of the current release and have that be updated all over the site, etc.. Sure, any decent content management system can do that, but we have full control over it with XML and XSLT. For the main static content of an open source website, I think xml/xslt/makefiles are still a great choice. I would just be careful not to let that limit you. Some sections that need more regular updates could be hosted on a content management or blogging system and exported/reformated by the build system, perhaps. XSLT will let you pull in data from all kinds of sources, reformat it, and serve it up on your web site. Commit messages to OpenAFS, bug reports, and other content can easily be incorporated into an xslt based site. I'd like to see more top10 lists on our site. 10 most viewed/important bugs, 10 most recent changes, 10 most recently closed bugs, etc.. > Murray had mentioned that the XML syntax can be raise the barrier to > entry for those who aren't web designers. What are some ways around > this? For news stories and things like that where you want broad participation, I would look at a blog system or something to make it easy for others to post updates/stories/etc.. Your XML/makefile system can then reformat the posts in line with the rest of your site, without requiring people to author posts in XML. > Lastly, I see that your community uses your wiki a lot. What are your > thoughts about MoinMoin from an infrastructure admin's point of view? > I noticed that the Fedora project moved from MoinMoin to Mediawiki > recently, and I wondered: if you were able to start from scratch, what > wiki software would you use? They probably had a good reason for that, but I have no insight into this Simon is the only person who really deals with the administration of MoinMoin for us, as far as I know. There is of course a certain amount of inertia with these things, as we can't spend too much time switching systems once we've set one up unless there is a really compelling reason to do so. I haven't heard many complaints about the wiki, so I think it is serving our needs just fine for now. If we were starting from scratch I'd review them both of course and go with the better fit. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 22 10:00:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377DE106567B for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2064E8FC1F for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5MA0D20030824 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:00:13 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id m5MA0Da9030823; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:00:13 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:00:13 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200806221000.m5MA0Da9030823@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Luca Serone Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEB21065670 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:51:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D578FC12 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:51:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5M9pM6q083416 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:51:22 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id m5M9pMRf083415; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:51:22 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200806220951.m5M9pMRf083415@www.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:51:22 GMT From: Luca Serone To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.1 Cc: Subject: www/124868: Commercial Internet Service Provider submissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:00:14 -0000 >Number: 124868 >Category: www >Synopsis: Commercial Internet Service Provider submissions >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Jun 22 10:00:13 UTC 2008 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Luca Serone >Release: 6/7-stabile - i386/sparc64 >Organization: Webdrops ICT >Environment: >Description: Webdrops ICT - http://www.webdrops.net/ FreeBSD hosting based in Italy since 2004. We provide hosting on shared boxes, dedicated servers, co-location, gTLD and worldwide ccTLD registration and every DC service you may ask for. We have rack space available in Milan IT, Dallas US and Amsterdam NL; We can provide simple or complex network infrastructure and supply Brand or custom hardware and network equipments. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 22 12:39:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F47D1065671; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2C68FC1E; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5MCdZ30067265; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:39:35 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id m5MCdZKw067261; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:39:35 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:39:35 GMT Message-Id: <200806221239.m5MCdZKw067261@freefall.freebsd.org> To: remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org From: remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/124868: Commercial Internet Service Provider submissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:39:36 -0000 Synopsis: Commercial Internet Service Provider submissions Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jun 22 12:39:35 UTC 2008 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take it. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=124868 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 22 13:30:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EE8106566C for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122FF8FC14 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:30:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.39]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CF31E8C3C; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 8D2C6114CD; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:30:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:30:46 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Ken Dreyer Message-ID: <20080622133045.GB1071@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <43f35d30806191221r75a241e0h80db863aaa6a1362@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43f35d30806191221r75a241e0h80db863aaa6a1362@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd website questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:30:50 -0000 On 2008.06.19 14:21:02 -0500, Ken Dreyer wrote: > I am a college student assisting the OpenAFS project with redesigning > their website. One of the OpenAFS elders mentioned that he liked the > layout and functionality of FreeBSD's site. I was hoping you could > give me a few pointers :) > > If you could start from scratch and do things over again, would you > prefer to use xml/xslt/Makefiles? Most website software has some sort > of web-based content editor, but I suppose this means no more editing > with vim/emacs. On the other hand, the current setup seems to limit > dynamic interaction, as Murray observed in his blog. How much of an > effect does this have on the community? It's important to decide what the goal is. For the main FreeBSD web site we want all new content to be vetted by trusted people before it goes, so I that makes the text/file based aproach compared to a CMS based system is less of a problem. If you have many clueless^Wnon-tech people who have to update a site, the tradeoff's will be different. I very much prefer static built web sites whenever possible, where one reason is that I much rather want to edit pages in $EDITOR (emacs for me) than in some web browser. Having a static built web site also mean you can test things off-line much simpler. Static web sites also makes the publishing part much simpler, in that you can do it with plain HTTP web server. This reduces security problems and means you need much less power of the web site (which is really nice for traffic spikes). You can do a lot of fancy things with dynamic web sites, but really... how often do you need it compared to the pain it causes. WRT. how to do it with todays technologies I would go with XML + XSLT + make as I done for my personal website http://simon.nitro.dk/src/ . This is based on code which came from a www.FreeBSD.org PoC (I think - not sure) via the TrustedBSD project. > Murray had mentioned that the XML syntax can be raise the barrier to > entry for those who aren't web designers. What are some ways around > this? Personally I don't really think HTML is that complex and, depending on your users, should not really be a real problem. Some people find CMS (e.g. wiki) markup language simpler, I really think it's the same only different... > Lastly, I see that your community uses your wiki a lot. What are your > thoughts about MoinMoin from an infrastructure admin's point of view? [hat: main wiki.FreeBSD.org admin] Generally moinmoin is rather painless to work with from an administrative point of view and it just takes care of itself. There are some work required for upgrading but it turns out not to be as bad in practice as one should think after reading the moinmoin docs. I would still always run it in a FreeBSD jail or similar, but its security track record is generally OK, especially compared to what else is out there. One nice thing about moinmoin from admin point of view is that since it's entirely file based it's pretty simple to duplicate the wiki to run test upgrades. This can of course be done if you have an DB backend, but not quite as easily. > I noticed that the Fedora project moved from MoinMoin to Mediawiki > recently, and I wondered: if you were able to start from scratch, what > wiki software would you use? I would probably go with mediawiki as I find it a bit more nice to work with from a user point of view, but I haven't been admin on a mediawiki installation, but I hear it's also rather painles. In a later mail you mention mirrors having PHP or not. It really depends on who your mirrors are. If mirrors are run by people with security clue they will likely be sceptical of mirroring PHP content. (PS. yes, I dislike PHP strongly, among other things, due to the crappy security record.) Hope this helps a bit. -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 23 11:07:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A753110656FD for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D438FC23 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5NB74qB065148 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:07:04 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id m5NB74Ej065144 for freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:07:04 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:07:04 GMT Message-Id: <200806231107.m5NB74Ej065144@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:07:04 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Tracker Resp. 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